From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 11 1:29:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9E9637BF37 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 01:28:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 79278 invoked by uid 211); 11 Jun 2000 08:28:30 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 13:58:30 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Wes Peters Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Revisionism Message-ID: <20000611135830.C79101@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: Wes Peters , freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org References: <394337DA.6F05BA42@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <394337DA.6F05BA42@softweyr.com>; from wes@softweyr.com on Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 12:55:22AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 X-Question: Do you enjoy reading pointless headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Wes Peters said on Jun 11, 2000 at 00:55:22: > Mr. Vereen, > > I am writing you directly because neither the print version nor the > on-line version of your magazine, Embedded Systems Programming, > includes information on who to contact for errors and omissions. I am > writing about Mr. Alexander Wolfe's article, "Alliances Drive Embedded > Linux Toward Prime Time" in Vol. 13 no. 6, June 2000. Do you have a URL? > While generally factual and well written, Mr. Wolfe repeats a bit of > revisionism that I must ask you to correct. In the article he writes > > And because Linux is "open source" -- a concept pioneered by > the Cambridge, MA Free Software Foundation... > > This is patently untrue. Both the UNIX /usr/group and the Berkeley > Software Distributions existed for many years before the FSF and the > Gnu Project were created. Richard M. Stallman did NOT create the > concept of open source software, his "innovation" was to use the > distribution of open source software to advance his political agenda. > Please clarify this situation for your readers. True enough if you define "open source" simply as "having access to source code". However, you should note that that's not how Stallman or the open source initiative define it and moreover Stallman refuses to use the term "open source" for the FSF's software. Stallman's aim at that time was to have a complete free (as defined by him) operating system, and BSD was not a complete operating system by itself; moreover, I've heard you needed an AT&T license to use most BSD code at all. There certainly was other free software around (apart from BSD, there was TeX, X etc) but I don't think your suggested clarification is any better than the original. > And perhaps while we're at it, Mr. Wolfe can clarify what the vendor > of that internet radio is supposed to do when the user upgrades it to > kernel 2.4.33 and glibc 6.1.43 and it no longer works? A valid point but I think these things can be much better expressed, this sort of language would just tend to irritate a linux user rather than spark any curiosity about BSD. Maybe the article provoked it, but many linux people seem basically friendly towards the BSD's and there's no need to sound so hostile. Besides, I don't think the implication (that upgradation problems necessarily occur with linux but cannot occur with BSD) is accurate, it's just that such problems tend to be less common and less severe with BSD. On a related topic, sometime back I'd suggested writing an advocacy howto similar to the one already available for linux users, and had received a reply from Chris Coleman suggesting that I go ahead. I wrote to the linux howto author, Paul Rodgers, and got a reply (somewhat late) telling me that I am welcome to use parts of his document, and he himself is thinking of including the BSD's in the next version of his howto. I'm a bit busy at present, but I'll do this as soon as I can. Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 11 3:49:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5FB37B819 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 03:49:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01127; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:49:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:49:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200006111049.MAA01127@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Logo? X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-advocacy In-Reply-To: <8hronh$tjd$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> Organization: Administration TU Clausthal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In list.freebsd-advocacy Shawn Barnhart wrote: > Is there a source for a high(er)-res version of the FreeBSD daemon or other > "logo"? Maybe this one is suitable for you: http://www.fromme.com/t-shirt/fbsd-shirt-large.jpg Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 11 6:27:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A2D637B768 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 06:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 79945 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2000 13:26:49 -0000 Received: from theory7.physics.iisc.ernet.in (qmailr@144.16.71.127) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 11 Jun 2000 13:26:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 21570 invoked by uid 211); 11 Jun 2000 13:26:47 -0000 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:56:47 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Logo? Message-ID: <20000611185647.B21516@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG References: <8hronh$tjd$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> <200006111049.MAA01127@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200006111049.MAA01127@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de>; from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de on Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 12:49:44PM +0200 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.2.14 alpha X-Question: Do you enjoy reading pointless headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Oliver Fromme said on Jun 11, 2000 at 12:49:44: > In list.freebsd-advocacy Shawn Barnhart wrote: > > Is there a source for a high(er)-res version of the FreeBSD daemon or other > > "logo"? > > Maybe this one is suitable for you: > http://www.fromme.com/t-shirt/fbsd-shirt-large.jpg I've also updated the scalable thing and I think it's much improved now. It's necessarily different from the "original" jpg I used, since it's not a computer-generated copy, so I felt it necessary to email Kirk McKusick to ask whether it's ok to distribute it. Anyway, you can pick it up at the same place as earlier http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.png (2528x1701 resolution, 129k) http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemonsmall.png (474x319 resolution, 17K) http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.eps (vector postscript, 45K) http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.sk (original Sketch file, 22K) http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.eps.gz (12K) http://theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in/rsidd/daemon.sk.gz (7K) This is in more or less final form, so if the powers-that-be in the advocacy team like it, feel free to pick it up and use it/distribute it (and take care of the legal issues of including Kirk's copyright notice and so on, which I haven't done since you'd know what to do better than me.) You can easily produce a bitmap with different resolution by importing the eps file into Gimp and specifying a resolution at import time. The PNG format seems best to save it in: JPG becomes either too lossy (colours run over the boundaries and so on) or too bloated. And of course you can do other things once it's in Gimp, like adjust the colour/brightness/etc, add some noise (it looks a bit too smooth and shiny right now, which is hard to avoid in vector graphics) and so on... Note that default settings of ghostscript/ghostview don't show the eps file very well. I haven't tried printing the postscript directly, the quality may depend on your printer / your setup's ghostscript settings. Even if it doesn't work, the gimp->bitmap route above should be safe. Rahul. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 11 15: 7:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from orion.ac.hmc.edu (Orion.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A3937BA1B for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:07:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@orion.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by orion.ac.hmc.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA15765; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 15:07:06 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Wes Peters Cc: Jeroen Ruigrok/Asmodai , Jim Mock , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Some PR Message-ID: <20000611150706.A12267@orion.ac.hmc.edu> References: <20000610074518.A59845@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <20000610002259.B1654@luna.osd.bsdi.com> <20000610101557.A821@daemon.ninth-circle.org> <39428B1A.8AD90F2@softweyr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre4i In-Reply-To: <39428B1A.8AD90F2@softweyr.com>; from wes@softweyr.com on Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 12:38:18PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 12:38:18PM -0600, Wes Peters wrote: > Great work. I'll dig through my archives and see if I can find the list > of proposed hardware-compatible vendors for you. The first one that leaps > to mind is Abit, who list FreeBSD hardware compatible in the instruction > booklets included with their motherboards. I'd also suggest Tyan. For a while they had this thing explaining why you might want a dual proc motherboard and when I mentioned that FreeBSD was missing from the list of OSes that support SMP, they added it within a day or so. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sun Jun 11 21: 7:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6698F37B983 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 21:07:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (Foolstrustident!@homer.softweyr.com [204.68.178.39]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15420; Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:06:16 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <394461CC.AEC1E4C2@softweyr.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:06:36 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Revisionism References: <394337DA.6F05BA42@softweyr.com> <20000611135830.C79101@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > > Wes Peters said on Jun 11, 2000 at 00:55:22: > > Mr. Vereen, > > > > I am writing you directly because neither the print version nor the > > on-line version of your magazine, Embedded Systems Programming, > > includes information on who to contact for errors and omissions. I am > > writing about Mr. Alexander Wolfe's article, "Alliances Drive Embedded > > Linux Toward Prime Time" in Vol. 13 no. 6, June 2000. > > Do you have a URL? http://www.embedded.com/internet/0006/0006ia1.htm > > While generally factual and well written, Mr. Wolfe repeats a bit of > > revisionism that I must ask you to correct. In the article he writes > > > > And because Linux is "open source" -- a concept pioneered by > > the Cambridge, MA Free Software Foundation... > > > > This is patently untrue. Both the UNIX /usr/group and the Berkeley > > Software Distributions existed for many years before the FSF and the > > Gnu Project were created. Richard M. Stallman did NOT create the > > concept of open source software, his "innovation" was to use the > > distribution of open source software to advance his political agenda. > > Please clarify this situation for your readers. > > True enough if you define "open source" simply as "having access to > source code". However, you should note that that's not how Stallman > or the open source initiative define it If you visit the Open Source Initiative on the web, you will find that code under the Berkeley license *does* fit the open source definition. > and moreover Stallman refuses > to use the term "open source" for the FSF's software. Stallman refuses to do a lot of things, and wants to force you to join him. > Stallman's aim > at that time was to have a complete free (as defined by him) operating > system, and BSD was not a complete operating system by itself; When "pioneered", as Mr. Wolfe wrote, the entirety of the Gnu Project was Emacs. Much of the software on the early BSD tapes had NO AT&T content, and was ported to systems other than UNIX. Ports of termcap and vi were available on systems like CP/M before Emacs crawled out of Massachussetts. > moreover, I've heard you needed an AT&T license to use most BSD code > at all. There certainly was other free software around (apart from > BSD, there was TeX, X etc) but I don't think your suggested > clarification is any better than the original. You're making the same timeline mistakes Mr. Wolfe is perpetuating. TeX and X11 were not contemporaries of the early BSD distributions, they happened nearly a decade later. According to the FSF web page, the FSF was created in 1984, 8 years after the beginning of the CSRG at UC Berkeley. > > And perhaps while we're at it, Mr. Wolfe can clarify what the vendor > > of that internet radio is supposed to do when the user upgrades it to > > kernel 2.4.33 and glibc 6.1.43 and it no longer works? > > A valid point but I think these things can be much better expressed, > this sort of language would just tend to irritate a linux user rather > than spark any curiosity about BSD. Maybe the article provoked it, > but many linux people seem basically friendly towards the BSD's and > there's no need to sound so hostile. Besides, I don't think the > implication (that upgradation problems necessarily occur with linux > but cannot occur with BSD) is accurate, it's just that such problems > tend to be less common and less severe with BSD. The point is the Berkeley license allows vendors to make binary only distributions, which completely obviate this problem. The GPL does not. It is completely unsuitable for most embedded products for that reason. > On a related topic, sometime back I'd suggested writing an advocacy > howto similar to the one already available for linux users, and had > received a reply from Chris Coleman suggesting that I go ahead. I > wrote to the linux howto author, Paul Rodgers, and got a reply > (somewhat late) telling me that I am welcome to use parts of his > document, and he himself is thinking of including the BSD's in the > next version of his howto. I'm a bit busy at present, but I'll do > this as soon as I can. Thanks for your contributions. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 12 13:53:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA9037B7A3 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 13:53:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:46:23 -0400 Message-ID: <39454E15.8582ACFF@cstone.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 16:54:45 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Business card CDs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy then. This is more appropriate for it.] http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux. I'd love to see these for FreeBSD. They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX". Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to see one that said "BSD". SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek "It must be difficult being such a visionary." "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 12 14: 1: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9301D37B8E7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:00:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0DD7B3135; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 14:00:55 -0700 From: Jim Mock To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Business card CDs Message-ID: <20000612140055.A35491@luna.osd.bsdi.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com References: <39454E15.8582ACFF@cstone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.3i In-Reply-To: <39454E15.8582ACFF@cstone.net>; from highway@cstone.net on Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 04:54:45PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 at 16:54:45 -0400, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy > then. This is more appropriate for it.] > > http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ > > These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux. > I'd love to see these for FreeBSD. > > They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter > acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX". > > Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to > see one that said "BSD". I talked with someone about this at Fall COMDEX in Vegas last year -- we were pretty interested in doing it, but then we came to the realization that it was cheaper for us to hand out full-sized disk ones than to have a bunch of these made -- not to mention we'd have had to hack a custom install to fit on a smaller CD.. - jim -- - jim mock --- berkeley software design, inc --- jim@luna.osd.bsdi.com - - open source software division - documentation manager - jim@bsdi.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 12 18:11:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A6737B71D for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:11:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lynch@bsdunix.net) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e5D1Bjn18713; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Business card CDs In-Reply-To: <39454E15.8582ACFF@cstone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have one that says "BSD" on my laptop. Thinkgeek sells them. http://www.thinkgeek.com __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy > then. This is more appropriate for it.] > > http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ > > These are CDs the size of a business card you can boot to run Linux. > I'd love to see these for FreeBSD. > > They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter > acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX". > > Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to > see one that said "BSD". > > SeanMike > > -- > SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek > "It must be difficult being such a visionary." > "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." > http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 12 18:31: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from obie.softweyr.com (obie.softweyr.com [204.68.178.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B545737B661 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:31:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Received: from softweyr.com (ip83.salt-lake-city9.ut.pub-ip.psi.net [38.31.167.83]) by obie.softweyr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA17455; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:30:54 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wes@softweyr.com) Message-ID: <39458ED1.D3CF2EE2@softweyr.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:30:57 -0600 From: Wes Peters Organization: Softweyr LLC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Business card CDs References: <39454E15.8582ACFF@cstone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > > They also come with those white oval stickers that have a three letter > acronym on there (like "OBX") but say "LNX". > > Those aren't bad - I don't like 'em, personally, but it might be cool to > see one that said "BSD". Covered ages ago -- http://www.thinkgeek.com/. See the DN coverage at: http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=305 Follow the link on the original article and poke around a bit. I ordered several items, including a BSD sticker for my ride, for Christmas last year. The best sticker is the "Bow before me, for I am root." IMHO. -- "Where am I, and what am I doing in this handbasket?" Wes Peters Softweyr LLC wes@softweyr.com http://softweyr.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 12 19:22:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384FB37B7D6 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 19:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14577 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:22:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:22:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Dillon To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Server/Workstation Expert article Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On page 12 of the June 2000 issue of Server/Workstation Expert is a three-quarter page and very noticable article about BSDi and FreeBSD and about BSD in general. It is overall a very well written article. Mike Tansca of Sextex Communications, who I see on the various FreeBSD lists quite often, was even quoted in the article. The only nit I have is that the relationship between BSDi and FreeBSD wasn't clarified, and the uninformed could get the idea from the article that BSDi somehow had a lote more control over FreeBSD than it really does because "BSD and FreeBSD code will be merged", and thats about all that was said other than the offering of technical support from BSDi. The relationship cited between Walnut Creek and FreeBSD was unambiguous, citing only that Walnut Creek marketed a FreeBSD distribution, which is exactly the case. Again, overall a very well written article. Whomever convinced S/W Expert to publish this deserves a hand! :-) -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For Intel x86 and Alpha architectures. ( http://www.freebsd.org ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 12 21:19:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bne004m.webcentral.com.au (bne004m.webcentral.com.au [202.139.235.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 62D8E37B530 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:19:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 17718 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 04:19:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.160.115) by bne004m.webcentral.com.au with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 04:19:33 -0000 Message-ID: <003901bfd57e$b361f440$73a093cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Subject: FreeBSD on your mobile? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:31:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I saw an operator logo ( for nokias) that said 'powered by linux'...anyone know where to get (or make) a 'Powered by FreeBSD' logo? That would be awesome -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOUaoHWDp/0spTtEtEQIxXwCgxlgWBI65PDGU8nQOhZOOmiK2SxIAoIQF HX5JEYdU+hiZOCgT7JkTjj8H =oCfB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 12 22:58:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from utasvexg001.hfnweb.com (mail.financialfusion.com [207.49.36.244]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9250937B838 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:58:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikemorgan@financialfusion.com) Received: by utasvexg001.financialfusion.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:58:10 -0600 Message-ID: From: Mike Morgan To: 'Haikal Saadh ' , "'advocacy@freebsd.org '" Subject: RE: FreeBSD on your mobile? Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:58:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFD4FC.5A01AE90" Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD4FC.5A01AE90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://www.freebsd.org/gallery/gallery.html -----Original Message----- From: Haikal Saadh To: advocacy@freebsd.org Sent: 6/13/00 3:31 PM Subject: FreeBSD on your mobile? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I saw an operator logo ( for nokias) that said 'powered by linux'...anyone know where to get (or make) a 'Powered by FreeBSD' logo? 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFD4FC.5A01AE90-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jun 12 23: 3:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from bne005m.server-mail.com (bne005m.server-mail.com [202.139.234.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7823337B838 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2000 23:03:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wyldephyre2@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 25447 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2000 06:03:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO timberwolf) (203.147.160.115) by bne005m.server-mail.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2000 06:03:19 -0000 Message-ID: <00bf01bfd58d$32cf1380$73a093cb@timberwolf> From: "Haikal Saadh" To: "Mike Morgan" , References: Subject: Re: FreeBSD on your mobile? Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 16:14:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG RE: FreeBSD on your mobile?-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, the logo on the left is what I had in mind, but it has to in some crazy format, a 2 colour bitmap, of a certain size, if i'm not mistaken. I have no idea how to make/convert to this format..that's the problem..I'm sure if I managed to get it in the format I could get my sms/email gateway (blueskyfrog.com , unfortunately australian mobiles only) to carry it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Morgan To: 'Haikal Saadh ' ; 'advocacy@freebsd.org ' Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 10:58 PM Subject: RE: FreeBSD on your mobile? http://www.freebsd.org/gallery/gallery.html - -----Original Message----- From: Haikal Saadh To: advocacy@freebsd.org Sent: 6/13/00 3:31 PM Subject: FreeBSD on your mobile? - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I saw an operator logo ( for nokias) that said 'powered by linux'...anyone know where to get (or make) a 'Powered by FreeBSD' logo? That would be awesome - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOUaoHWDp/0spTtEtEQIxXwCgxlgWBI65PDGU8nQOhZOOmiK2SxIAoIQF HX5JEYdU+hiZOCgT7JkTjj8H =oCfB - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.3 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOUbAcWDp/0spTtEtEQJjJQCgys7IRTZkE+MYykXF1YekDtc8o7oAnRhh rV+MghwQ+k3832dHmJ4FOMO+ =KnmA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 13 14:58:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from lorax.ubergeeks.com (lorax.ubergeeks.com [209.145.74.241]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AD637BFF8 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 14:58:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Received: from localhost (adrian@localhost) by lorax.ubergeeks.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA01085; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:58:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from adrian@ubergeeks.com) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:58:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Adrian Filipi-Martin Reply-To: Adrian Filipi-Martin To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Business card CDs In-Reply-To: <39454E15.8582ACFF@cstone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy > then. This is more appropriate for it.] > > http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ I don't think you could get much of an OS on these. I got a Berkely DB card-CD from Sleepycat at last years USENIX. It only had a few megs on it. Maybe a PicoBSD card-CD woudl work. Adrian -- [ adrian@ubergeeks.com -- Ubergeeks Consulting -- http://www.ubergeeks.com/ ] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 13 15: 0:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65FC837BFF8 for ; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 15:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from highway@cstone.net) Received: from cstone.net (aylee.mrgoodbucks.com [209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net; Tue, 13 Jun 2000 17:53:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3946AF56.571D04CC@cstone.net> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 18:01:58 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Filipi-Martin Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Business card CDs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Adrian Filipi-Martin wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > > > [Yes, I sent this to -chat before, but I wasn't subscribed to -advocacy > > then. This is more appropriate for it.] > > > > http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd/ > > I don't think you could get much of an OS on these. I got a > Berkely DB card-CD from Sleepycat at last years USENIX. It only had a few > megs on it. Actually, this claims to have much more: "Boot our Bootable Business Card and you have 108MB of usable software at your fingertips." I think we could fit a kernel on that. However, there have been some good points on the cost... SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - All Around Geek "It must be difficult being such a visionary." "Not really. You just have to drink a lot." http://www.goats.com/archive/index.html?990420 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 14 19:33: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net (slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net [206.81.128.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CF6437B648 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:33:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jswarner@uswest.net) Received: (qmail 71517 invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2000 02:33:05 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org@fixme Received: (qmail 71512 invoked by uid 0); 15 Jun 2000 02:33:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO uswest.net) (63.224.105.224) by slkcpop5.slkc.uswest.net with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 02:33:04 -0000 Message-ID: <39483F84.CEB523D9@uswest.net> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:29:24 -0600 From: Joe Warner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD AT WORK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just thought I'd pass on the news that FreeBSD had it's debut and was put into action today where I work. I installed FreeBSD 3.4 on a Compaq Deskpro 2000 (266mhz) machine the other day and the install went without a hitch. I gave it a dedicated IP address and got an Apache v1.3 web server going and an FTP server. I've been tasked with managing our local intranet and plan on using the FreeBSD machine as a test bed for comparing cost, stability and performance to other web servers on different platforms like NT and OS/400. I think it's already won the cost comparison. I created a home page and linked it to all of our Lotus Notes databases, that are currently running on an AS/400 (V4R4) Domino Server. I couldn't believe the difference in speed! Accessing the databases through my Apache server is a lot faster than using the notes client! The pages look a lot better in HTML than the old boring flat database style you see when using the notes client. Anyway, I gave my managers a demonstration and they were pretty impressed. I think this is just the beginning. I don't think I'm going to have a problem of finding ways to justify the use of FreeBSD where I work anymore. FreeBSD rocks!! 8^) Joe -- Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -Albert Einstein. 1879-1955. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 14 20:14:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from sanson.reyes.somos.net (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB2537B605 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (tomasa.reyes.somos.net [10.0.0.11]) by sanson.reyes.somos.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11312; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:07:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200006150307.XAA11312@sanson.reyes.somos.net> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , "Joe Warner" Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 23:16:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) In-Reply-To: <39483F84.CEB523D9@uswest.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD AT WORK Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:29:24 -0600, Joe Warner wrote: >Just thought I'd pass on the news that FreeBSD had it's debut and was >put into action today where I work. I am starting a new job soon and I will try to get them to use FreeBSD for the Intranet. I think it is a good place to start since it is highly visible. Something like DNS doesn't impress management. They can't see it and they may not even understand it.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 14 20:28:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in (theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in [144.16.71.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0081137B6A6 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 20:27:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in) Received: (qmail 97096 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2000 03:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO theory3.physics.iisc.ernet.in) (qmailr@144.16.71.158) by theory1.physics.iisc.ernet.in with SMTP; 15 Jun 2000 03:27:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 3442 invoked by uid 211); 15 Jun 2000 03:27:31 -0000 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:57:31 +0530 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , Joe Warner Subject: Re: FreeBSD AT WORK Message-ID: <20000615085731.B3399@physics.iisc.ernet.in> Mail-Followup-To: Francisco Reyes , "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , Joe Warner References: <39483F84.CEB523D9@uswest.net> <200006150307.XAA11312@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200006150307.XAA11312@sanson.reyes.somos.net>; from fran@reyes.somos.net on Wed, Jun 14, 2000 at 11:16:09PM -0400 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.0.36 i686 X-Question: Do you enjoy reading pointless headers? Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I think it is a good place to start since it is highly visible. > Something like DNS doesn't impress management. They can't see it > and they may not even understand it.. That reminds me (but I'm not sure why it does) -- recently I installed NetBSD on the second hard disk of a professor's aging Sun SPARC after the first hard disk failed, and he's very happy with its performance. He didn't know anything about BSD earlier. But I noticed that he was particularly reassured, early on, by the University of California copyright messages that scroll by on bootup. When he commented on that I gave him some further history on BSD. Of course, he's a scientist and probably has an instinctive regard for work done in universities, management types / PHB's may not react the same way... R. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Wed Jun 14 21:16:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from cornflake.nickelkid.com (cornflake.nickelkid.com [216.116.135.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D79DC37B631 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2000 21:16:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jooji@cornflake.nickelkid.com) Received: from localhost (jooji@localhost) by cornflake.nickelkid.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA04337; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:16:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jooji@cornflake.nickelkid.com) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 00:16:39 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jasper O'Malley" To: Joe Warner Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD AT WORK In-Reply-To: <39483F84.CEB523D9@uswest.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 14 Jun 2000, Joe Warner wrote: > I created a home page and linked it to all of our Lotus Notes databases, > that are currently running on an AS/400 (V4R4) Domino Server. I > couldn't believe the difference in speed! Accessing the databases > through my Apache server is a lot faster than using the notes > client! I don't mean to put a damper on things, but the Notes databases aren't being accessed through the Apache server; they're being manipulated and displayed with the Domino web server process running on the AS/400. FreeBSD still rocks, mind you :) Cheers, Mick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 15 6:23:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.thuntek.net (mail2.thuntek.net [206.206.98.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92FBB37B8D7 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 06:23:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Received: from Silver-Lynx.com (abq-012.thuntek.net [207.66.52.12]) by mail2.thuntek.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA77351; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:22:39 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from Don@Silver-Lynx.com) Message-ID: <3948D936.F0112282@Silver-Lynx.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 07:25:10 -0600 From: Don Wilde Reply-To: Don@Silver-Lynx.com Organization: Silver Lynx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG" , Joe Warner Subject: Re: FreeBSD AT WORK References: <200006150307.XAA11312@sanson.reyes.somos.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Such success stories should be written up and presented in Daemon News... :-) -- Donald Wilde "Linking Minds and Micros" ================= S i l v e r L y n x =================== PMB 117, 1380 Rio Rancho Blvd SE v: 505-771-0709 f: 771-1356 Rio Rancho, New Mexico 87124 web: http://www.Silver-Lynx.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 15 10:44:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from d135.p6.col.ru (d135.p6.col.ru [212.248.5.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6406E37BC50 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 10:44:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from prettylady@freemail.ru) From: To: Date: ×ò, 15 èþí 2000 20:43:24 +0400 Message-ID: <38480735872155567@d135.p6.col.ru> Subject: Hi, its for you ! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Jun 15 13: 7:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from satan.freebsdsystems.com (24.69.168.8.on.wave.home.com [24.69.168.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10B437B918 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:07:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@satan.freebsdsystems.com) Received: (from lnb@localhost) by satan.freebsdsystems.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA45603 for advocacy@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:15:46 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lnb) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Organization: FreeBSD Systems Inc. From: Lanny Baron To: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: FW: daemon woes??? or religious nonsense Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Got this from a friend, and thought I would share it. -Lanny -----FW: <3948F890.28270.988F068@localhost>----- Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 15:38:56 -0400 From: Lanny Baron To: lnb@satan.freebsdsystems.com Subject: daemon woes??? >This is a message which appeared on the aussie-isp mailing list earlier >yesterday. I thought people here might like it :-) Ross is a reliable >source (as measured by most reasonable metrics :-), so I doubt we can >chalk this one up to "urban legend". > >I've cut a bit of stuff off the bottom of it, but apart from that this is >all in Ross' own words. > > - mark > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 15:45:51 +1000 (EST) >> From: Ross Wheeler >> To: aussie-isp@aussie.net >> Subject: [Oz-ISP] FreeBSD and the forces of darkness. Real religious >> wars! >> >> >> I've got to tell someone about this.... I'm flabergasted! >> >> A client of a client had their internet gateway machine (a Linux box) >> hacked recently, and seriously compromised. Ok... totally screwed. >> >> So, much panic, waving of arms and gnashing of teeth, and it was a case >> of "drop everything and help" this poor school. The person who set up >> the original box is on the other side of the continent and seems to be >> not contactable, or something. >> >> Anyhow, we helped. KNOWING the box had been hacked and WOULD be under >> constant scrutiny, we suggested FreeBSD (now before we start any >> religious wars here, yes, a linux box MAY be as secure as a FreeBSD >> box, assuming both were set up by people familiar and competent with >> them both.... but we're a FreeBSD site and not expert with Linux! Plus, >> it was compromised as a Linux box, much better to change things a >> little while we're at it). >> >> So the box was completely re-built. They moved the goalposts a couple >> of times (changing how things needed to be set up AFTER it had been >> done, but hey...). and now that it's all going and working..... they >> want to rip it out and put linux back on again. >> >> Why? >> >> >> >> >> Well.... I could start a guessing competition here. >> >> And you guys (and girls) are NOT allowed to kill yourselves laughing >> here... This is what the person actually typed: >> >> >> "I've just had a converstaion with xxxx xxxx (our Principal) about some >> of the changes. We've had to deal with some of the philosphical issues >> related to BSD. As you know BSD uses a 'devil' icon to portray the BSD >> symbol. Given we are a Christian school this is a significant concern >> for us. Even after reviewing the sites blurb about the origin of the >> symbol, we've come to the conclusion that it would not be appropriate >> for us to use the software." >> >> Can you believe it?! >> >> I tried to "inform" them about the "mascot".... >> >> "some of our parents who are very technically savvy would not care >> about the disctinction. It is the subliminal message the icon >> represents..." >> >> And then the FreeBSD site itself fueled the fire: >> >> "Even the site talks about a deamon being 'unleashed' in you computer blah." >> >> So that's that. No further discussion would be entered into. They've >> made their decision..... with a parting shot that: >> >> "what we need to concern ourselves with as a Christian school is the >> 'message' or 'image' that may unwittingly be portrayd." > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------- I >tried an internal modem, newton@atdot.dotat.org > but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton >----- Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 ------------- Fax: +61-8-82231777 ----- > >-- >LinuxSA WWW: http://www.linuxsa.org.au/ IRC: #linuxsa on >irc.linux.org.au To unsubscribe from the LinuxSA list: > mail linuxsa-request@linuxsa.org.au with "unsubscribe" as the subject > > Lanny Baron Microsoft: "Where would you like to go today" Linux: "Where would you like to go tomorrow" FreeBSD: "Hey,when are you guys going to catch up" --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- Lanny Baron, Master FreeBSD Administrator ---------------------------------- Date: 15-Jun-00 Time: 16:15:46 Mosher's Law of Software Engineering: Don't worry if it doesn't work right. If everything did, you'd be out of a job. ---------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 16 8:14:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from po4.wam.umd.edu (po4.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6B5A37BF9F for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from howardjp@wam.umd.edu) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (root@rac5.wam.umd.edu [128.8.10.145]) by po4.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA08709 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (sendmail@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA28060 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rac5.wam.umd.edu (howardjp@localhost) by rac5.wam.umd.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28055 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200006161514.LAA28055@rac5.wam.umd.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: rac5.wam.umd.edu: howardjp owned process doing -bs To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: I hate to complain about commercial support... Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:14:14 -0400 From: James Howard Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG But the daemon on BSDToday.com is hideously ugly. I mean, oh man, I hate that thing. Is there anything that can be done about it? Maybe the daemon from the NetBSDiality t-shirts should go over to Internet.com's head-quarters and ask for "some courtesy, some sympathy, and some taste." I need some c0ff33. Jamie To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 16 8:35:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from blackhelicopters.org (geburah.blackhelicopters.org [209.69.178.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8172537BF82 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 08:34:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org) Received: (from mwlucas@localhost) by blackhelicopters.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA58899; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:34:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mwlucas) From: Michael Lucas Message-Id: <200006161534.LAA58899@blackhelicopters.org> Subject: Re: I hate to complain about commercial support... In-Reply-To: <200006161514.LAA28055@rac5.wam.umd.edu> from James Howard at "Jun 16, 2000 11:14:14 am" To: howardjp@wam.umd.edu (James Howard) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 11:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, yes. But at least they're covering us. I suspect that if you had something better to offer, they'd listen. I wonder why they didn't want to use Beastie? Licensing or copyright, perhaps? Personally, I think that it's funny that our OS is free, but our mascot can only be used with McKusick's permission. ;) ==ml > But the daemon on BSDToday.com is hideously ugly. I mean, oh man, I hate > that thing. Is there anything that can be done about it? Maybe the > daemon from the NetBSDiality t-shirts should go over to Internet.com's > head-quarters and ask for "some courtesy, some sympathy, and some taste." > > I need some c0ff33. > > Jamie > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Fri Jun 16 9:45:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from vnode.vmunix.com (vnode.vmunix.com [209.112.4.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761CF37B653 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 09:45:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chrisc@vmunix.com) Received: by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix, from userid 1005) id BD039F; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vnode.vmunix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B625949A10; Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Coleman To: James Howard Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I hate to complain about commercial support... In-Reply-To: <200006161514.LAA28055@rac5.wam.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I just gave them a call. I think they will fix it. Chris Coleman Daemon News http://www.daemonnews.org Bringing BSD together On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, James Howard wrote: > But the daemon on BSDToday.com is hideously ugly. I mean, oh man, I hate > that thing. Is there anything that can be done about it? Maybe the > daemon from the NetBSDiality t-shirts should go over to Internet.com's > head-quarters and ask for "some courtesy, some sympathy, and some taste." > > I need some c0ff33. > > Jamie > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-advocacy Sat Jun 17 13:25:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FF937B52F for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:25:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA49615; Sat, 17 Jun 2000 16:25:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 16:25:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Brett Taylor To: James Howard Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I hate to complain about commercial support... In-Reply-To: <200006161514.LAA28055@rac5.wam.umd.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, James Howard wrote: > But the daemon on BSDToday.com is hideously ugly. I mean, oh man, I > hate that thing. Is there anything that can be done about it? Maybe > the daemon from the NetBSDiality t-shirts should go over to > Internet.com's head-quarters and ask for "some courtesy, some > sympathy, and some taste." They're a commercial site - they attempted to create a Daily DaemonNews site to compete (Internet.com has lots of other sites they've bought out in the last year). Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message