From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 5:15:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cichlids.com (as10-063.rp-plus.de [149.221.96.63]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8384B14D0C for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:15:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84791AB92; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:16:01 +0100 (CET) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03995; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:15:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:15:51 +0100 From: Alexander Langer To: Olaf Hoyer Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German FreeBSD and advocacy Message-ID: <20000109141551.B3812@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mail-Followup-To: Olaf Hoyer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de>; from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de on Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 04:31:18AM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Also sprach Olaf Hoyer (ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de): [moved to -chat] > for years on it. If someone could recommend a product like Eudora Pro for > FreeBSD, I'd be happy ;-) ) Mutt, it's really great. I used Eudora earlier, too, but mutt (including procmail as filter) is better :-) > and contributing to the documentation (translating/working on handbook and > howtos, perhaps a pile/booklet of manpages came to my mind), as my spare > time will allow. Please take a look at http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/ for futher information, how you contribute to German parts. Help is really needed, and we are looking forward for every help :-) you can also write to de-bsd-translators@de.freebsd.org (subscribe to it via majordomo@de.freebsd.org) > I'll be happy about any thoughts and input, especially regarding > licensing/legal issues, esp. regarding copying/distribution of CD sets. Linux took its time to get this attention, too. As a bookseller (word? :-), you can't just buy some FreeBSD CD's and them have them lie around. Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 5:33:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14AA15284 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bright@fw.wintelcom.net) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA10305; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:56:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:56:14 -0800 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Alexander Langer Cc: Olaf Hoyer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German FreeBSD and advocacy Message-ID: <20000109055614.D24472@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> <20000109141551.B3812@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000109141551.B3812@cichlids.cichlids.com>; from alex@big.endian.de on Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 02:15:51PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Alexander Langer [000109 05:39] wrote: > Also sprach Olaf Hoyer (ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de): > > [moved to -chat] > > > for years on it. If someone could recommend a product like Eudora Pro for > > FreeBSD, I'd be happy ;-) ) > > Mutt, it's really great. > I used Eudora earlier, too, but mutt (including procmail as filter) is > better :-) I must strongly agree, I just switched from pine+procmail to mutt+procmail and it's really cool, although the keybindings are a bit weird i've managed to mess with mutt enough to get a reasonable 'pine emulator' key board out of it. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 5:53:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 131D414E8C for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:53:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 19811 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2000 08:55:10 -0000 Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (user29428@209.201.95.10) by blacklisted.intranova.net with SMTP; 9 Jan 2000 08:55:10 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:51:10 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Jamie Howard Cc: Wes Peters , chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Michael Lucas , advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: article on 4.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *STATIC* Houston, we have a problem, over. *STATIC* Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Jamie Howard wrote: > On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Wes Peters wrote: > > > We've standardized on the ANSI/ISO buttload to avoid confusion, and > > conversion errors. > > Did you remember to tell the engineers at NASA and Lockheed-Martin? > > Jamie > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 5:56: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0908015B42 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 05:55:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22928; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:55:30 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id OAA52800; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:55:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:55:30 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Ben Rosengart Cc: FreeBSD , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Message-ID: <20000109145529.C51101@bitbox.follo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from ben@skunk.org on Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 02:41:51AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 02:41:51AM -0500, Ben Rosengart wrote: > [-stable and -current trimmed] > > Please, people, can't we just respect each other's choice to reveal our > names or not, and get on with our lives? This debate seems foolish to > me -- I didn't see Mr. Anonymous demanding commit privileges, so the > argument that his real name would get him taken more seriously is kind > of bogus. > > (BTW, Mr. A., I think your sig is flame bait, and contrary to the spirit That's Mr. Jxxx N. Lxxxxx, actually, but I didn't know that until he started babbling about anonymity, annoying me enough that I checked. I also have strong suspicions why he's hiding - touting that you don't have the guts to stand for what you are doing (thus using precieved anonymity as a shield) is none too wise if you want to keep that anonymity. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 6: 5:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cage.tse-online.de (cage.tse-online.de [194.97.69.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 65CC7151D3 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:05:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ab@cage.tse-online.de) Received: (qmail 2204 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Jan 2000 14:06:40 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:06:40 +0100 From: Andreas Braukmann To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German FreeBSD and advocacy Message-ID: <20000109150640.E86925@cage.tse-online.de> References: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> <20000109141551.B3812@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000109055614.D24472@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000109055614.D24472@fw.wintelcom.net>; from bright@wintelcom.net on Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 05:56:14AM -0800 Organization: TSE GmbH - Neue Medien Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 05:56:14AM -0800, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Alexander Langer [000109 05:39] wrote: > > Also sprach Olaf Hoyer (ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de): > > > > [moved to -chat] > > > > > for years on it. If someone could recommend a product like Eudora Pro for > > > FreeBSD, I'd be happy ;-) ) > > > > Mutt, it's really great. > > I used Eudora earlier, too, but mutt (including procmail as filter) is > > better :-) > > I must strongly agree, I just switched from pine+procmail to mutt+procmail > and it's really cool, although the keybindings are a bit weird i've managed > to mess with mutt enough to get a reasonable 'pine emulator' key board out > of it. ... anybody not tied very tightly to procmail should really considering 'maildrop' (it's in the ports) as mailfilter. - faster - cleaner syntax - native maildir support - IMHO much more foolproof ;) I was used to procmail for ages, but always hated it. I took my chance for a switch to maildrop as I installed my new personal workstation from scratch. In less than an hour I reimplemented my former procmail-functionality and even extended it to automagically create the maildir-folders for freebsd-related mailinglists as soon as the first message from a mailinglist (I wasn't subscribed to) before arrives. -Andreas -- : Anti-Spam Petition: http://www.politik-digital.de/spam/ : : PGP-Key: http://www.tse-online.de/~ab/public-key : : Key fingerprint: 12 13 EF BC 22 DD F4 B6 3C 25 C9 06 DC D3 45 9B : To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 6: 7:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DA6151D3 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 06:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA22999; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:07:17 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id PAA52895; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:07:17 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:07:17 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Omachonu Ogali Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Message-ID: <20000109150716.D51101@bitbox.follo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from oogali@intranova.net on Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:26:46PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:26:46PM -0500, Omachonu Ogali wrote: > It can't be signed because you then break all dates before the Unix epoch > (January 1, 1970 00:00:00 UTC) In 2038, I'm pretty sure I'd much rather break all dates before 1970 than all dates after february. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 7: 0:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cichlids.com (as15-122.rp-plus.de [149.221.237.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C42B715248 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 07:00:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E53AB93; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:00:37 +0100 (CET) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05261; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:00:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alex) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:00:26 +0100 From: Alexander Langer To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Olaf Hoyer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German FreeBSD and advocacy Message-ID: <20000109160026.B4948@cichlids.cichlids.com> Mail-Followup-To: Alfred Perlstein , Olaf Hoyer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> <20000109141551.B3812@cichlids.cichlids.com> <20000109055614.D24472@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000109055614.D24472@fw.wintelcom.net>; from bright@wintelcom.net on Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 05:56:14AM -0800 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Alfred Perlstein (bright@wintelcom.net): > I must strongly agree, I just switched from pine+procmail to mutt+procmail > and it's really cool, although the keybindings are a bit weird i've managed > to mess with mutt enough to get a reasonable 'pine emulator' key board out > of it. I have adjusted all my keybindings, and they're great now. I have r --> normal reply to author g --> group reply (mailinglists), that adjusts also send-hooks for some ml's, that have reply-to's and such crap. R --> Reply to all authors and other stuff. I like it a lot and it's very easy to handle. Alex -- I doubt, therefore I might be. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 7:10:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.25.134]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 333CF152C4 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 07:10:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohoyer@fbwi.fh-wilhelmshaven.de) Received: from fettesau.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (stuwopc5.stuwo.fh-wilhelmshaven.de [139.13.209.5]) by mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA25508 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:10:40 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <4.1.20000109160422.00c3bba0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> X-Sender: ohoyer@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 16:07:21 +0100 To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Olaf Hoyer Subject: Re: German FreeBSD and advocacy In-Reply-To: <20000109141551.B3812@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> and contributing to the documentation (translating/working on handbook= and >> howtos, perhaps a pile/booklet of manpages came to my mind), as my spare >> time will allow. > >Please take a look at >http://www.de.freebsd.org/de/ >for futher information, how you contribute to German parts. >Help is really needed, and we are looking forward for every help :-) >you can also write to >de-bsd-translators@de.freebsd.org (subscribe to it via >majordomo@de.freebsd.org) Hi! Ok, in progress ;-) > >> I'll be happy about any thoughts and input, especially regarding >> licensing/legal issues, esp. regarding copying/distribution of CD sets. > >Linux took its time to get this attention, too. >As a bookseller (word? :-), you can't just buy some FreeBSD CD's and >them have them lie around. Yes, they simply won't do that, cause there is wasted money lying around. But one could think about giving them the copies, and let them pay _after_ they are sold, otherwise they could return them... So there will be no risk for them, moneywise... Regards Olaf Hoyer > >Alex - - - - - - - -=20 Olaf Hoyer ICQ: 22838075 mailto: Olaf.Hoyer@nightfire.de home: www.nightfire.de (The home of the burning CPU) Wer mit Ungeheuern k=E4mpft, mag zusehn,=20 da=DF er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund=20 auch in dich hinein. (Friedrich Nietzsche, Jenseits von Gut und B=F6se) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 8:34:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E315152EB for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:34:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA73346; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:34:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "Ben Rosengart" Cc: "freebsd-chat@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 08:34:08 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Rosengart [mailto:ben@skunk.org] > Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2000 11:42 PM > To: FreeBSD > Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: load spike strangeness > > > [-stable and -current trimmed] > > Please, people, can't we just respect each other's choice to reveal our > names or not, and get on with our lives? This debate seems foolish to > me -- I didn't see Mr. Anonymous demanding commit privileges, so the > argument that his real name would get him taken more seriously is kind > of bogus. > Every article you'll ever read on internet safety suggests keeping personal info private and off public lists which is why I choose to do so. Let's see the whiners submit their home phone, SSN, and home addresses too. If I'm not taken seriously, fine. > (BTW, Mr. A., I think your sig is flame bait, and contrary to the spirit > of friendly competition that the project leaders have done so much work > to promote.) > I'm not baiting anyone, I have a genuine hatred for LinSUX and *I* like the quote. I'm not involved in the FreeBSD Project with the exception of my CD Subscription and the fact that I've been running FreeBSD for many years. So to Hell with friendly competition, LinSUX can suck my . As I've said before there are plenty of quotes in sigs that I don't like, but that's none of my business, as my sig is none of anyone else's business. > -- > Ben Rosengart > > UNIX Systems Engineer, Skunk Group > StarMedia Network, Inc. > I thank you for your time and I respect your opinion, but it doesn't change anything. I'll never use my personal info in public lists nor will I alter my sigfile to please others. FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 9: 7:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A38E14E87; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA73460; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:07:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "Eivind Eklund" Cc: Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:07:17 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000109145529.C51101@bitbox.follo.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Eivind Eklund [mailto:eivind@FreeBSD.ORG] > Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 5:56 AM > To: Ben Rosengart > Cc: FreeBSD; freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: load spike strangeness > > > On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 02:41:51AM -0500, Ben Rosengart wrote: > > [-stable and -current trimmed] > > > > Please, people, can't we just respect each other's choice to reveal our > > names or not, and get on with our lives? This debate seems foolish to > > me -- I didn't see Mr. Anonymous demanding commit privileges, so the > > argument that his real name would get him taken more seriously is kind > > of bogus. > > > > (BTW, Mr. A., I think your sig is flame bait, and contrary to the spirit > > That's Mr. Jxxx N. Lxxxxx, actually, but I didn't know that until he > started babbling about anonymity, annoying me enough that I checked. > I also have strong suspicions why he's hiding - touting that you don't > have the guts to stand for what you are doing (thus using precieved > anonymity as a shield) is none too wise if you want to keep that > anonymity. > > Eivind. > You assume wrong, Mr. Jxxx N. Lxxxxx (incorrect by the way) is my business partner. So, try again. I'm a bit smarter than that. Mr. Jxxx N. Lxxxxx may not care if his personal info is out there, and that's his choice. I do care however. The only one who knows my true identity is my business partner and I doubt he'll say anything. As far as your lame personal attack about my "guts", grow the up. FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 9:35: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mls.gtonet.net (mls.gtonet.net [216.112.90.195]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980D214D65 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:35:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) Received: from pld (holeyman@pld.gtonet.net [216.112.90.200]) by mls.gtonet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA73547 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:35:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd@gtonet.net) From: "FreeBSD" To: "freebsd-chat@FreeBSD. ORG" Subject: RE: load spike strangeness Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 09:35:06 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000109125403.A29545@keltia.freenix.fr> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > According to FreeBSD: > > Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? Only a imbecile > > Since the beginning as a courtesy to readers. Show me in the lists charters where it's "required." > > > (IMHO) would use their real name on an e-mail that goes out to a public > > list. I don't want people to know my real name or SSN or any > other personal > > info for that matter, NOR is it required, as far as I know. If > it were to > > I've been using my real name for years since I begun going on the > Internet. I've never seen a reason not to. Maybe you haven't read about the financial ruin of victims of identity theft? > > > you also use you real full name on IRC? To quote "Mr. T": "I > pity da f00!" > > Yes. No reason whatsoever to hide. Again courtesy. Again, identity theft. Here in the U.S.A. it's a real problem and it DOES happen. I cant speak for France, nor would I attempt to do so. > > Reply to -chat if you want, this is not really a security issue. > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- > roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #77: Thu Dec 30 12:49:51 CET 1999 > Anything else? FreeBSD freebsd@gtonet.net "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 10:21:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D366D14E02 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 10:21:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA24529; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:21:52 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id TAA53996; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:21:52 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:21:52 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: FreeBSD Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Message-ID: <20000109192152.G51101@bitbox.follo.net> References: <20000109145529.C51101@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from freebsd@gtonet.net on Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 09:07:17AM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 09:07:17AM -0800, FreeBSD wrote: > > That's Mr. Jxxx N. Lxxxxx, actually, but I didn't know that until he > > started babbling about anonymity, annoying me enough that I checked. > > I also have strong suspicions why he's hiding - touting that you don't > > have the guts to stand for what you are doing (thus using precieved > > anonymity as a shield) is none too wise if you want to keep that > > anonymity. > > You assume wrong, Mr. Jxxx N. Lxxxxx (incorrect by the way) is my business Yes, the N was an assumption that closer verification shows to be wrong. > partner. So, try again. I'm a bit smarter than that. Mr. Jxxx N. Lxxxxx may > not care if his personal info is out there, and that's his choice. I do care > however. The only one who knows my true identity is my business partner and > I doubt he'll say anything. Either you've been fronting his identity (in all situations I've cared to identify, which are >10) for years, or you are lying. I won't detail my verification methods in public - I see no reason to fully break your cover, and I see no reason to give a detailed list of how to break the cover of other people. However, I *do* care to send the public message that if somebody is going to try to do identity protection, they need to do quite a bit of work to do it - doing a half-assed job won't work. I used to run a nym (stopped around 1990), and I was *careful* about it - and it still got broken to a point where only a few work-weeks would probably be able to connect the nym to me (at least I found points where it broke - I don't know if anybody else did, but I assume that if NSA got interested, they now know the connection of my nym to me - not that it matters.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 12:48:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.243.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62BC614E4B for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:48:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA42075; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:48:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 21:48:14 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200001092048.VAA42075@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Anonymous mails (was: Re: load spike strangeness) X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: <85ah03$26a1$1@atlantis.rz.tu-clausthal.de> User-Agent: tin/1.4.1-19991201 ("Polish") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/3.4-19991219-STABLE (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD wrote in list.freebsd-chat: >> According to FreeBSD: >> > Since when does an E-mail address require a "realname"? Only a imbecile >> >> Since the beginning as a courtesy to readers. > > Show me in the lists charters where it's "required." Show me the posting in this thread that claims that it's required. Nobody claimed that. Maybe you're just a bit too paranoid...? In your first posting you said that overclocking is not recommended (which is true, although this often causes flamewars, too). Then I replied that posting anonymously is not recommended either (which is also true). >> I've been using my real name for years since I begun going on the >> Internet. I've never seen a reason not to. Same here. It's not _that_ long, though (9 years, I think). > Maybe you haven't read about the financial ruin of victims of identity > theft? I've read about paranoia. 99% of the posters in these lists use their real name, and I'de be surprised if anyone of them is a victim of "identity theft". I'm under the impression that you're in the wrong movie... > "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" That signature _hurts_ the FreeBSD project. Whether you like it or not, or whether I like it or not, that's not the point. BTW, you should fix your mail client, it has ignored the "Reply-To" in my first reply on this issue. Regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, Leibnizstr. 18/61, 38678 Clausthal, Germany (Info: finger userinfo:olli@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de) "In jedem Stück Kohle wartet ein Diamant auf seine Geburt" (Terry Pratchett) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 13: 1:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775EC14D9A; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 13:01:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Received: from swbell.net ([207.193.25.170]) by mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FO300K726EFN2@mta1.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:01:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07424; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:46:32 -0600 (CST envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 14:46:32 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Nelson Subject: Identity theft (was: Re: load spike strangeness) In-reply-to: <20000109192152.G51101@bitbox.follo.net> To: Eivind Eklund Cc: FreeBSD , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Eivind Eklund wrote: [snip] Hmm... I think a little healthy paranoia is probably good, though I don't see how a name alone is any more risk than the phone book. Without other key pieces, like SSN, a name isn't very useful. However, your following reponse raises some questions. >I won't detail my verification methods in public - I see no reason to >fully break your cover, and I see no reason to give a detailed list of >how to break the cover of other people. Why not detail the methods you used? If "FreeBSD" wants anonymity, you'll help him achieve it and help the rest of us avoid risks we may want to avoid. With a number of states selling public records to off-shore companies who make all the information required for identity theft available at 35 cents a query, I see no way of preventing identity theft. Do you know of a way to avoid or minimize that risk? >However, I *do* care to send the public message that if somebody is >going to try to do identity protection, they need to do quite a bit of >work to do it - doing a half-assed job won't work. I used to run a What constitutes a good job? Is it even possible to participate in a public forum and maintain anonymity? BTW -- what is a nym? >nym (stopped around 1990), and I was *careful* about it - and it still >got broken to a point where only a few work-weeks would probably be >able to connect the nym to me (at least I found points where it broke >- I don't know if anybody else did, but I assume that if NSA got >interested, they now know the connection of my nym to me - not that it >matters.) It seems that nothing stops the NSA -- not even the law, so I'm not sure that's worth worrying about. Still, privacy is nearly extinct and identity theft is a growing problem. It would be more productive to explain where he failed instead of ridiculing his desire for anonymity. -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 14:55:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtprch1.nortel.com (smtprch1.nortelnetworks.com [192.135.215.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BBE14E87 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 14:55:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from atrens@nortelnetworks.com) Received: from zmers013 by smtprch1.nortel.com; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 16:54:32 -0600 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com by zmers013; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:54:18 -0500 Received: from hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com [47.196.31.114]) by hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com (8.9.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA03869 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:02:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew Atrens" X-Sender: atrens@hcarp00g.ca.nortel.com Reply-To: "Andrew Atrens" To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD slags linux (?) In-Reply-To: <200001092048.VAA42075@dorifer.heim3.tu-clausthal.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Oliver has a point here - > > "LinSUX is only free if your time is worthless" > > That signature _hurts_ the FreeBSD project. Whether you like > it or not, or whether I like it or not, that's not the point. It seems to me the name you have picked as a handle is just one of convenience. Why not change it to something that doesn't make it sound like you represent the project? Surely someone of your intelligence could come up with something a bit more original? Andrew. -- +-- | Andrew Atrens Nortel Networks, Ottawa, Canada. | | All opinions expressed are my own, not those of any employer. | --+ Heller's Law: The first myth of management is that it exists. Johnson's Corollary: Nobody really knows what is going on anywhere within the organization. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 15: 2:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82AF14D05; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:02:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA21073; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:02:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:02:19 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Olaf Hoyer Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: German FreeBSD and advocacy In-Reply-To: <4.1.20000109040233.00c481a0@mail.rz.fh-wilhelmshaven.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Olaf Hoyer wrote: > > (Please forgive me for using Microshit products, but my whole emailing > resides also for some compatibility/archiving (about 8000 mails) reasons > for years on it. If someone could recommend a product like Eudora Pro for > FreeBSD, I'd be happy ;-) ) > actually the mailbox formats are the same format that elm/pine/mutt read afaik. so there ya go ;) > Ok: My idea was to do some work in the advocacy field regarding germany, > and contributing to the documentation (translating/working on handbook and > howtos, perhaps a pile/booklet of manpages came to my mind), as my spare > time will allow. > If you;ve got the spare time, I'm sure that would help ALOT. Advocacy is just as important as coding IMHO. > > > Thought was to do something with a german booklet, a nice and snappy > packaging, so that it can compete against a big Linux package sitting next > to it on the shelf. > Of course, here has to be done some work/research with walnut creek, as > they are doing some business also with that, inhowfar one could come > together on that issue. > Thats probably a good idea, but I'll let the guys that do that for a living answer to that one ;) -Pat> __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 15: 8:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB55C14D05 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 15:08:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26683; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:08:27 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id AAA55598; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:08:27 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 00:08:26 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Jay Nelson Cc: jle@gtonet.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Identity theft (was: Re: load spike strangeness) Message-ID: <20000110000826.Q51101@bitbox.follo.net> References: <20000109192152.G51101@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from noslenj@swbell.net on Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 02:46:32PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'll start with answering 'What is a nym?', in order to have the terminology in place: A nym is an anonymous persona, one that somebody use without direct connection to the physical person. Sort of a 'digital person'. On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 02:46:32PM -0600, Jay Nelson wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Eivind Eklund wrote: > >I won't detail my verification methods in public - I see no reason to > >fully break your cover, and I see no reason to give a detailed list of > >how to break the cover of other people. > > Why not detail the methods you used? If "FreeBSD" wants anonymity, > you'll help him achieve it and help the rest of us avoid risks we > may want to avoid. I wouldn't help him achieve anonymity by publically posting information that gives ways to trace back to his real persona while there is focus on him. However, I have since learned to my satisfaction that the trace I did was wrong, and a red herring pointing at one of his non-volunteering business partners (Jeff Lesley, AKA holeyman/Hole-yMan). Jeff has since closed down his account and removed his access (and OK'ed that I post this.) What I did was the following: 1. Check which IP he is posting from, along with ident information etc. This said holeyman@.gtonet.net 2. Check ARIN and check the reverse lookup on all IPs in the vicinity, to find out what kind of outfit gtonet.net were, size-wise. 3. Find that this was really small. 4. Check the whois information on gtonet.net, to trace who owned this. Find Jeff Lesley. 5. Check Jeff Lesley against the phone books, in order to verify that he's a likely to be a real person (not a nym). 6. Use a web search to find out all I could about Jeff's public history. Find a number of mailing list postings from him, the earliest dating back to 1996. 7. Go through all the mailing list posting to verify what Jeff's been up to, where he's had web pages, what he's been associated with, etc. Notice that Jeff here used the handle 'holeyman'. 8. Verify the pecularities of Jeff's writing style with the ones from "FreeBSD". I'm not a pro at this, but I went through carefully, and found a large number of similarities that are distinct from normal use, and no large dissimilarities. At this point, I thought there was reasonable evidence to support that either Jeff Lesley, holeyman, and "FreeBSD" was the same person, or that "FreeBSD" had been using Jeff Lesley as a front for a long time. However, I'd neglected one obvious possibility: Identity theft. "FreeBSD" wasn't the same as Jeff Lesley - he'd been attempting to hide behind Jeff's identity, making sure that any attempts at tracing back would end up with Jeff. He *did* get me, at least. > With a number of states selling public records to off-shore > companies who make all the information required for identity theft > available at 35 cents a query, I see no way of preventing identity > theft. Do you know of a way to avoid or minimize that risk? The only thing you can really do is to make your identities discardable - load-balance between them, so that if you lose one, you won't have lost as much as if you get problems for your single identity. > >However, I *do* care to send the public message that if somebody is > >going to try to do identity protection, they need to do quite a bit of > >work to do it - doing a half-assed job won't work. I used to run a > > What constitutes a good job? A couple of things: 1. Use anonymous remailers or "Freedom" (Zero Knowledge Systems) nyms rather than unnamed accounts. 2. Do not ever explictly tell anybody about the connection between your nyms, or between a nym and your physical person. 3. Make sure your nyms are as hard to distinguish from real persons as possible. 4. Do not ever re-use a nym which has had an association to you 5. Make sure that you get your writing style changed between various nyms. This is something that will be very hard to do without strong expertise in the techniques that are used to identify texts by the same author. > Is it even possible to participate in a public forum and maintain > anonymity? Yes. However, it is not easy. > >nym (stopped around 1990), and I was *careful* about it - and it still > >got broken to a point where only a few work-weeks would probably be > >able to connect the nym to me (at least I found points where it broke > >- I don't know if anybody else did, but I assume that if NSA got > >interested, they now know the connection of my nym to me - not that it > >matters.) > > It seems that nothing stops the NSA -- not even the law, so I'm not > sure that's worth worrying about. That depends on what you are doing - if what you are doing is related to making it easier to detect and/or hinder NSA's spying on you, it can be a worthwhile goal. And I tried, mostly as an intellectual exercise, to keep that level of security around the nym that I used. > Still, privacy is nearly extinct and identity theft is a growing > problem. The only short-term protection I can see for identity theft is insurance - I'm pretty sure that it will be possible to get coverage for a policy insuring against identity theft through Lloyd's. > It would be more productive to explain where he failed instead of > ridiculing his desire for anonymity. I agree that having anonymity more readily available would have a large number of benefits. However, in order to make this feasible for "normal people", it is necessary to do a lot of things around trust, and a lot of things to mask your individual information "fingerprints". Doing anonymity in the FreeBSD community in without giving the credit you are building to a clearly identifiable and re-usable nym is IMO a waste - and doing so in order to protect against random identity theft is pointless waste. (If you are into fighting, you might want to do it in order to protect against your enemies doing it against you - but that seems unlikely.) Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 17: 1:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CC2A14E0A; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 17:01:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Received: from swbell.net ([207.193.45.45]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.09.16.21.57.p8) with ESMTP id <0FO300EY8HI2I5@mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net>; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 19:01:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by swbell.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08075; Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:43:16 -0600 (CST envelope-from noslenj@swbell.net) Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:43:16 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Nelson Subject: Re: Identity theft (was: Re: load spike strangeness) In-reply-to: <20000110000826.Q51101@bitbox.follo.net> To: Eivind Eklund Cc: jle@gtonet.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for your response. I've decided to snip much of this for brevity. On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Eivind Eklund wrote: >I'll start with answering 'What is a nym?', in order to have the >terminology in place: A nym is an anonymous persona, one that somebody >use without direct connection to the physical person. Sort of a >'digital person'. Ahh... now I understand what you meant, though I'm not sure why people would want to do that in public. It seems like covering your face but running around with your pants down. [snip] >However, I have since learned to my satisfaction that the trace I did >was wrong, and a red herring pointing at one of his non-volunteering >business partners (Jeff Lesley, AKA holeyman/Hole-yMan). Jeff has >since closed down his account and removed his access (and OK'ed that I >post this.) So, our anonymous friend has done what claimed he was trying to prevent. That strikes me as a dishonorable abuse. >What I did was the following: [snip] >8. Verify the pecularities of Jeff's writing style with the ones from > "FreeBSD". I'm not a pro at this, but I went through carefully, > and found a large number of similarities that are distinct from > normal use, and no large dissimilarities. Very few outside intelligence would do that. I didn't think of going that far. I doubt most of us would be able to disguise our style effectively. The techniques used to analyze those patterns are the same as used, in the reverse direction, for propaganda. An interesting topic by itself. [snip] >However, I'd neglected one obvious possibility: Identity theft. >"FreeBSD" wasn't the same as Jeff Lesley - he'd been attempting to >hide behind Jeff's identity, making sure that any attempts at tracing >back would end up with Jeff. He *did* get me, at least. I could forgive his attempt at anonymity, but it's difficult to respect someone who would do to someone else what he claims to preserve for himself. I suspect that if you came as close as you did, he's dead meat if someone _really_ wants his identity. [snip] >> It seems that nothing stops the NSA -- not even the law, so I'm not >> sure that's worth worrying about. > >That depends on what you are doing - if what you are doing is related >to making it easier to detect and/or hinder NSA's spying on you, it >can be a worthwhile goal. And I tried, mostly as an intellectual >exercise, to keep that level of security around the nym that I used. This is an interesting topic, but one best left to another venue. Were you succesful in maintaining that security? You mentioned in you earlier post that it was broken. How? >Doing anonymity in the FreeBSD community in without giving the credit >you are building to a clearly identifiable and re-usable nym is IMO a >waste - and doing so in order to protect against random identity theft >is pointless waste. (If you are into fighting, you might want to do I agree. Our anonymous friend hasn't yet learned to know how much he doesn't know. This list is the least of his concerns. In fact, posting here is clearly counterproductive to anonymity. Ah, well... Thanks -- Jay To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 18:54: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.x-treme.gr (mx2.x-treme.gr [212.120.192.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE2D14EEE for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 18:53:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from localhost.hell.gr (pat32.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.224]) by mx2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with SMTP id EAA13204 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:53:22 +0200 Received: (qmail 23945 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Jan 2000 02:46:28 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:46:28 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: test, ignore Message-ID: <20000110044628.A23921@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org testing my mailer setup, please ignore this posting. -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Jan 9 22:35:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631D6151D2 for ; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:35:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Received: from owp.csus.edu (dialup2-184.csus.edu [130.86.24.184]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA04839; Sun, 9 Jan 2000 22:35:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <38797BF6.1726E02@owp.csus.edu> Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 22:28:06 -0800 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Taylor Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adobe FrameMaker for Linux References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Taylor wrote: > > There was an introductory tutorial thing if your license isn't installed > and I imagine that's what is trying to be displayed. It took awhile for > it to come up on my machine, but it did eventually come up. Try > installing the license and see what happens. > > I'm running STABLE btw - just made world 2 days ago. > > Brett I read your follow up post to mine on DDN about this, if I read it correctly you said that after you installed the license it failed to come up at all? I never actually tried the demo mode, I just installed the license and fired it up, and I ended up with what I described above. Based on what you described I'll wipe of the license stuff and try it again in demo mode, being very patient for it to come up :-) I suppose this is something that deserves a how-to web page somewhere, similar to what was done for the the Star Office 5 for Linux under FreeBSD. Thanks. Joseph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 3:42: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.yes.no (ns1.yes.no [195.204.136.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD32F15034 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 03:41:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eivind@bitbox.follo.net) Received: from bitbox.follo.net (bitbox.follo.net [195.204.143.218]) by ns1.yes.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA22531; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:41:56 +0100 (CET) Received: (from eivind@localhost) by bitbox.follo.net (8.8.8/8.8.6) id MAA58077; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:41:54 +0100 (MET) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 12:41:54 +0100 From: Eivind Eklund To: Jay Nelson Cc: jle@gtonet.net, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Identity theft (was: Re: load spike strangeness) Message-ID: <20000110124154.A55734@bitbox.follo.net> References: <20000110000826.Q51101@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from noslenj@swbell.net on Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 06:43:16PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Eivind Eklund wrote: > >> It seems that nothing stops the NSA -- not even the law, so I'm not > >> sure that's worth worrying about. > > > >That depends on what you are doing - if what you are doing is related > >to making it easier to detect and/or hinder NSA's spying on you, it > >can be a worthwhile goal. And I tried, mostly as an intellectual > >exercise, to keep that level of security around the nym that I used. > > This is an interesting topic, but one best left to another venue. Were > you succesful in maintaining that security? You mentioned in you > earlier post that it was broken. How? Because I trusted some friends enough to let them learn the connection between the broken nym (let's call it a) and another nym (let's call it b) I was running. At a later point in time, I decided to "cash in" b - I revealed that I was running b, thus claiming credit and taking responsibility for everything b had done (it landed me my first full-time programming job.) A while after this, one of my friends referred to "a/b" instead of "a and b" in a magazine article, thus revealing that they were run by the same person. I do not know of anybody that has traced this connection, but I still regard the intended secure nym as broken - I know it is possible to trace back. Eivind. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 4:11:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx2.x-treme.gr (mx2.x-treme.gr [212.120.192.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A5B314A21 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:11:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@diogenis.ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from localhost.hell.gr (pat34.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.226]) by mx2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with SMTP id OAA24628 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:10:58 +0200 Received: (qmail 30379 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Jan 2000 11:49:01 -0000 Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:49:00 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: FreeBSD Cc: Ben Rosengart , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Message-ID: <20000110134900.A24125@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Jan 09, 2000 at 08:34:08AM -0800, FreeBSD wrote: > > I'm not baiting anyone, I have a genuine hatred for LinSUX and *I* > like the quote. I'm not involved in the FreeBSD Project with the > exception of my CD Subscription and the fact that I've been running > FreeBSD for many years. So to Hell with friendly competition, LinSUX > can suck my . As I've said before there are plenty of quotes in > sigs that I don't like, but that's none of my business, as my sig is > none of anyone else's business. I believe that you have every right to loath and hate LinSUX, whatever that is. Watch, however, for people that will think your use of the word LinSUX actually means Linux, because you might find yourself confronted with a group of angry linux advocates :-) -- Giorgos Keramidas, < keramida @ ceid . upatras . gr > "What we have to learn to do, we learn by doing." [Aristotle] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 4:40: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from peloton.runet.edu (peloton.runet.edu [137.45.96.205]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D68150B4 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:40:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Received: from localhost (brett@localhost) by peloton.runet.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA99344; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:39:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brett@peloton.runet.edu) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 07:39:56 -0500 (EST) From: Brett Taylor To: Joseph Scott Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Adobe FrameMaker for Linux In-Reply-To: <38797BF6.1726E02@owp.csus.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Joseph, On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Joseph Scott wrote: > I read your follow up post to mine on DDN about this, if I read it > correctly you said that after you installed the license it failed to > come up at all? Nope - it came up fine in the demo mode. I then shut off the demo and installed the license and it again came right up. The first start up (in demo mode) was slow. > I suppose this is something that deserves a how-to web page > somewhere, similar to what was done for the the Star Office 5 for > Linux under FreeBSD. Probably - it should include how to install so that all of the help files are found. I am probably not going to play w/ this any longer for awhile as I'm just so used to TeX that when I have to search for how to do something in some other word processor I get frustrated and just want to use the TeX command. :-) Brett ***************************************************** Dr. Brett Taylor brett@peloton.runet.edu * Dept of Chem and Physics * Curie 39A (540) 831-6147 * Dept. of Mathematics and Statistics * Walker 234 (540) 831-5410 * ***************************************************** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 5:18:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB978151E1 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 05:16:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id OAA06708; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:16:02 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200001101245.GAA92594@aurora.sol.net> References: <200001101245.GAA92594@aurora.sol.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:15:14 +0100 To: Joe Greco , chat@freebsd.org From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 6:45 AM -0600 2000/1/10, Joe Greco wrote: > We have a new existential proof, "I'm archived, therefore I am"! :-) Absolutely! I just may not be the person I'm claiming that I am, although I believe that we have reasonably strong evidence that I am the same person I've been claiming to be for ten to fifteen years (I'm not sure how far back some of the reasonably reliable archives go), and that in that time I haven't switched either humans or claimed personas. ;-) > Seriously, Brad, I'm not convinced that you're anything more than a > complex PERL program until I meet you in person. Pictures won't suffice? Attestations to my existence from some notable individuals who've actually met me in person won't suffice? Or do they automatically get sucked into my hyper-real simulated universe at the time they meet me, and therefore they're now simulated constructs as well? ;-) If the latter is the case, then you had better watch out during May.... > Particularly since > you seem to have more time and energy to spend posting to Usenet and > mailing lists than anyone else I know. ;-) Oh, I can name more than a few "individuals" who have a lot more time and energy on this subject than I do, and some of them seem to be almost as verbose as I am! ;-) Of course, this is totally off-topic for -current, so I'm moving it to -chat. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 5:58:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 000F515083; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 05:58:42 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-reply-to: <20000110044628.A23921@hades.hell.gr> (message from Giorgos Keramidas on Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:46:28 +0200) Subject: Re: test, ignore Message-Id: <20000110135842.000F515083@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 05:58:42 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org use the freebsd-test mailing list to test your mailer configuration. using any other list after being warned, will result in your being removed from all the FreeBSD mailing lists. jmb -- Jonathan M. Bresler FreeBSD Core Team, Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.ORG FreeBSD--The Power to Serve JMB193 http://www.freebsd.org/ PGP 2.6.2 Fingerprint: 31 57 41 56 06 C1 40 13 C5 1C E3 E5 DC 62 0E FB > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 04:46:28 +0200 > From: Giorgos Keramidas > > testing my mailer setup, please ignore this posting. > > -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 6:50:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from reliant.nielsenmedia.com (reliant.nielsenmedia.com [205.129.32.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3D7514D3D for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 06:50:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from David_W_Gray@tvratings.com) Received: from nmrusdunsxg0.nielsenmedia.com (nmrusdunsxg0.nielsenmedia.com [10.9.11.120]) by reliant.nielsenmedia.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20687 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by nmrusdunsxg0.nielsenmedia.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:50:35 -0500 Message-ID: <01D4D419B1A4D111A30400805FE65B1303366170@nmrusdunsx1.nielsenmedia.com> From: "Gray, David W." To: "'FreeBSD Chat List'" Subject: Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:50:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2000 18:43:16 -0600 (CST) >From: Jay Nelson >Subject: Re: Identity theft (was: Re: load spike strangeness) >Ahh... now I understand what you meant, though I'm not sure why people >would want to do that in public. It seems like covering your face but >running around with your pants down. For those of us that remember the '70s, this was known as 'streaking'. Since my grade school abutted the local college campus, this provided several "educational" opportunities. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 9:21: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from aurora.sol.net (aurora.sol.net [206.55.65.76]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237D815192 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 09:21:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgreco@aurora.sol.net) Received: (from jgreco@localhost) by aurora.sol.net (8.9.2/8.9.2/SNNS-1.02) id LAA12103; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:20:57 -0600 (CST) From: Joe Greco Message-Id: <200001101720.LAA12103@aurora.sol.net> Subject: Re: load spike strangeness In-Reply-To: from Brad Knowles at "Jan 10, 2000 2:15:14 pm" To: blk@skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:20:57 -0600 (CST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL43 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 6:45 AM -0600 2000/1/10, Joe Greco wrote: > > We have a new existential proof, "I'm archived, therefore I am"! :-) > > Absolutely! I just may not be the person I'm claiming that I am, > although I believe that we have reasonably strong evidence that I am > the same person I've been claiming to be for ten to fifteen years > (I'm not sure how far back some of the reasonably reliable archives > go), and that in that time I haven't switched either humans or > claimed personas. ;-) And your proof of this is... your word? > > Seriously, Brad, I'm not convinced that you're anything more than a > > complex PERL program until I meet you in person. > > Pictures won't suffice? Attestations to my existence from some > notable individuals who've actually met me in person won't suffice? Your concept of "notable individuals" and mine probably differs substantially. > Or do they automatically get sucked into my hyper-real simulated > universe at the time they meet me, and therefore they're now > simulated constructs as well? ;-) > > If the latter is the case, then you had better watch out during May.... You have no proof that I'm not a high-level simulation of artificial forgetfulness and that you're not just a figment of my imagination (and therefore prone to being forgotten). In this event, I'll certainly be here in May, but you might not. > > Particularly since > > you seem to have more time and energy to spend posting to Usenet and > > mailing lists than anyone else I know. ;-) > > Oh, I can name more than a few "individuals" who have a lot more > time and energy on this subject than I do, and some of them seem to > be almost as verbose as I am! ;-) Key word: "almost". > Of course, this is totally off-topic for -current, so I'm moving > it to -chat. Of course. If it hadn't been the first message I wrote this A.M., I'd probably have done that myself. Who are you, again? ... :-) ... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - Systems Administrator jgreco@ns.sol.net Solaria Public Access UNIX - Milwaukee, WI 414/342-4847 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 11: 6:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from picnic.mat.net (picnic.mat.net [206.246.122.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F8B15844 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Received: from localhost (chuckr@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by picnic.mat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA54393; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:04:23 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from chuckr@picnic.mat.net) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:04:22 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Robey To: "Mr. K." Cc: Leif Neland , FreeBSD , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anonymity, was: load spike strangeness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Redirected to -chat] On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Mr. K. wrote: > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Leif Neland wrote: > > > While I do not agree with your idea of need of anonymity, I respect > your need for it. > > > > Could you not, instead of using the handle "FreeBSD", which sortof > already is taken :-), just assume a human name? The use of an obviously > not human name makes it uncomfortable to communicate with you. > > > > If you would call you John Smith, or Thomas Jefferson if you want, you > could much more easily hide your (hideous?) precence in the lists. Please? > > > Yeah, like Mr. K. :) You know, I can understand (even if I disagree with) the need for anonymity in political or industrial discussions. I just can't get close to understanding that need on the FreeBSD lists. There is no chance of serious reprisals or subterfuge, so anonymity seems to be either a juvenile prank or just someone unable to stand up for their own opinions. I was wondering if you can give me a justification for anonymity (and keep your discussion about these lists, don't try to bring in political or industrial topics, that would be cheating, as I already conceded that possibility above). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include C & Java programming, New Year's Resolution: I | electronics, communications, and will not sphroxify gullible| signal processing. people into looking up | I run picnic.mat.net: FreeBSD-current(i386) and fictitious words in the | jaunt.mat.net : FreeBSD-current(Alpha)| dictionary. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 11:56:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.tstt.net.tt (ns3.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB5015220 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:56:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: from uwi.tt (cuscon1694.tstt.net.tt [209.94.208.54]) by ns3.tstt.net.tt with ESMTP id PAA04354 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:50:23 -0400 Message-ID: <387A3919.2CC276C3@uwi.tt> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:55:05 -0400 From: "Dale E. Chulhan" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: [Question] X-Window Suport for AGP in 2.2.7 Dist. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok this is some what an annoyance question .. but bear with me any way ... ok? I have not yet ordered my new distrros of FBsd ( I have 2.2.7 ) but I wish to use X with a friend's SIS 6326 AGP video. Can anyone point me in the right direction for performing this operation. Thanks a lot guys, I knew you all wwould help me. Dale. -- 8""8""8 8"""" 8""""8 8 8 8 eeeee e e 8 eeeee eeeee eeeeeee 8 8 eeeee e eeee 8e 8 8 8 8 8 8 8eeee 8 8 8 88 8 8 8 8e 8 8 8 8 8 88 8 8 8eee8 8e 8e 88 8eee8e 8 8 8e 8 8 88 8 8eee8 8e 8eee 88 8 8 88 8 88 88 88 88 8 8 8 88 8 8 88 8 88 8 88 88 88 8 8 88 8 88 88eee 88 88 8 8eee8 88 8 8 88eee8 88 8 88eee 88ee To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 13:58:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from inbox.org (inbox.org [216.22.145.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932F615377 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:58:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd@inbox.org) Received: from localhost (bsd@localhost) by inbox.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA24566; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:57:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:57:48 -0500 (EST) From: "Mr. K." To: Chuck Robey Cc: Leif Neland , FreeBSD , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anonymity, was: load spike strangeness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Chuck Robey wrote: > [Redirected to -chat] > > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Mr. K. wrote: > > > On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Leif Neland wrote: > > > > > While I do not agree with your idea of need of anonymity, I respect > > your need for it. > > > > > > Could you not, instead of using the handle "FreeBSD", which sortof > > already is taken :-), just assume a human name? The use of an obviously > > not human name makes it uncomfortable to communicate with you. > > > > > > If you would call you John Smith, or Thomas Jefferson if you want, you > > could much more easily hide your (hideous?) precence in the lists. Please? > > > > > Yeah, like Mr. K. :) > > You know, I can understand (even if I disagree with) the need for > anonymity in political or industrial discussions. I just can't get close > to understanding that need on the FreeBSD lists. There is no chance of > serious reprisals or subterfuge, so anonymity seems to be either a > juvenile prank or just someone unable to stand up for their own opinions. > > I was wondering if you can give me a justification for anonymity (and keep > your discussion about these lists, don't try to bring in political or > industrial topics, that would be cheating, as I already conceded that > possibility above). > Same reason I don't run ftp on my server. I don't need to. Some other reasons: I post about a problem I'm having with my server. It turns out that this is a security hole. Someone looks up my name and finds the services I am running, and exploits that security hole. Databases can easily be aggregated nowadays. While you may not consider individual data about you sensitive, you likely would consider all of that data combined to be sensitive. Your name, your phone number, your employer, your email address, your stance on political issues, the stocks you own, the stocks you're thinking of buying, your favorite book, your favorite type of music, the fact that you're looking for a job, the fact that you have a cable modem, your ip address, the web servers that you run, your state, the number of different isps you log into, the states of those isps, the fact that you usually log into an isp in one state and now log into one in another (and are likely out of town), the times that you are usually logged on, your home address, your picture, your pets names, your spouses name. The easiest key to use to aggregate this data is, well, SSN. But full name is up there in easiness. If I post something negative about my company of employment, I don't want anyone to know what that company of employment is, including my bosses. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 14:50:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3DA1538C for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:50:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id XAA29504; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:50:15 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 3ABD78863; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:07:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:07:58 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org, Joe Greco Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Message-ID: <20000110230758.A43221@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <200001101245.GAA92594@aurora.sol.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200001101245.GAA92594@aurora.sol.net>; from jgreco@ns.sol.net on Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 06:45:14AM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ redirected to -chat please ] According to Joe Greco: > Seriously, Brad, I'm not convinced that you're anything more than a > complex PERL program until I meet you in person. Sorry to burst your bubble, I've met Brad in person :-) > Particularly since > you seem to have more time and energy to spend posting to Usenet and > mailing lists than anyone else I know. ;-) Nah, there's worse than Brad... Peter [Da Silva] is infinitely worse than anyone I know for that :-) -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #77: Thu Dec 30 12:49:51 CET 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 15:26:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF1514CA2 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 15:26:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA14687; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:54:04 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <387A3919.2CC276C3@uwi.tt> Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:54:04 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "Dale E. Chulhan" Subject: RE: [Question] X-Window Suport for AGP in 2.2.7 Dist. Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 10-Jan-00 Dale E. Chulhan wrote: > I have not yet ordered my new distrros of FBsd ( I have 2.2.7 ) but > I wish to > use X with a friend's SIS 6326 AGP video. Well, I have tried X 3.3.5 but no joy :( The AGP SiS 6326 doesn't work :( --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 16:59:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.240.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B924815375 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id QAA20630; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:59:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:59:02 -0800 From: Matthew Hunt To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dynamically loadable drivers Message-ID: <20000110165902.A20490@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <200001102215.QAA83969@davida.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from billf@chc-chimes.com on Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 07:55:52PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Jan 10, 2000 at 07:55:52PM -0500, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Joseph Davida wrote: > > > Thanks to all who responded. > > We have decided to dump FreeBSD and Linux > > in favor Solaris 8, which we obtained from > > Sun for a mere $29, which is far cheaper > > than bying the FreeBSD CD's from cdrom.com!! > > [...] > > "Darn." What, you're not disappointed to lose a user who picks an operating system on the basis of ten bucks? -- Matthew Hunt * UNIX is a lever for the http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * intellect. -J.R. Mashey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 17:18:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FA2153C7 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 17:18:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billf@chc-chimes.com) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 906941C2B; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:19:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1A33819; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:19:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:19:35 -0500 (EST) From: Bill Fumerola To: Matthew Hunt Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Dynamically loadable drivers In-Reply-To: <20000110165902.A20490@wopr.caltech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Matthew Hunt wrote: > > "Darn." > > What, you're not disappointed to lose a user who picks an operating > system on the basis of ten bucks? Exactly. Wait until he realizes everything he can't do with Solaris that he could with FreeBSD and (yes, even) Linux. -- - bill fumerola - billf@chc-chimes.com - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - - ph:(800) 252-2421 - bfumerol@computerhorizons.com - billf@FreeBSD.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 18: 7:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from css.tuu.utas.edu.au (css.tuu.utas.edu.au [131.217.115.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F45F1532B for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:07:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iaint@css.tuu.utas.edu.au) Received: from localhost (iaint@localhost) by css.tuu.utas.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA50505; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:06:40 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from iaint@depravitas.tuu.utas.edu.au) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:06:40 +1100 (EST) From: Iain Templeton To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: "Dale E. Chulhan" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: [Question] X-Window Suport for AGP in 2.2.7 Dist. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 10-Jan-00 Dale E. Chulhan wrote: > > I have not yet ordered my new distrros of FBsd ( I have 2.2.7 ) but > > I wish to > > use X with a friend's SIS 6326 AGP video. > > Well, I have tried X 3.3.5 but no joy :( > > The AGP SiS 6326 doesn't work :( > Damn, that will mean I won't be able to run X anymore... I have X 3.3.4 and an AGP SiS 6326 running under FreeBSD 3.2 and apart from having a really poor monitor it works. I can get 1024x768 in 24 bit, provided I don't mind having poor refresh rates and the like. You just can't use the graphical set up utility I believe, but the XFree86 SVGA driver will recognise the card. Iain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 18:13:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9A814BCA for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA13931; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:43:43 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 12:43:42 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Iain Templeton Subject: RE: [Question] X-Window Suport for AGP in 2.2.7 Dist. Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, "Dale E. Chulhan" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Jan-00 Iain Templeton wrote: > I have X 3.3.4 and an AGP SiS 6326 running under FreeBSD 3.2 > and apart from having a really poor monitor it works. I can > get 1024x768 in 24 bit, provided I don't mind having poor > refresh rates and the like. > You just can't use the graphical set up utility I believe, but the > XFree86 SVGA driver will recognise the card. Hmmm.. I tried setting it up for a friend and it half worked, but it tended to crash the machine.. I turned acceleration off which helped.. Perhaps his computer was dodgy? I don't think the version of FreeBSD running is relavent to the problem. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 18:36:38 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from css.tuu.utas.edu.au (css.tuu.utas.edu.au [131.217.115.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D61514EA5 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from iaint@css.tuu.utas.edu.au) Received: from localhost (iaint@localhost) by css.tuu.utas.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA40918; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:35:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from iaint@depravitas.tuu.utas.edu.au) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:35:41 +1100 (EST) From: Iain Templeton To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, "Dale E. Chulhan" Subject: RE: [Question] X-Window Suport for AGP in 2.2.7 Dist. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 11-Jan-00 Iain Templeton wrote: > > I have X 3.3.4 and an AGP SiS 6326 running under FreeBSD 3.2 > > and apart from having a really poor monitor it works. I can > > get 1024x768 in 24 bit, provided I don't mind having poor > > refresh rates and the like. > > You just can't use the graphical set up utility I believe, but the > > XFree86 SVGA driver will recognise the card. > > Hmmm.. I tried setting it up for a friend and it half worked, but it > tended to crash the machine.. I turned acceleration off which helped.. > Sorry, I forgot to mention that bit. I also had to turn all acceleration off other I got all sorts of graphical glitches. > Perhaps his computer was dodgy? > > I don't think the version of FreeBSD running is relavent to the problem. True, but I see so many people told off for not putting it in there :-) Iain. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 18:54:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2384114CB4 for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 18:54:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@hiwaay.net) Received: from tnt6-216-180-4-243.dialup.HiWAAY.net (tnt6-216-180-4-243.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.4.243]) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA24520; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:52:11 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 20:51:15 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Kirby To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: charon@freethought.org, Peter Radcliffe , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Silly Things Marketers Do (Was: Re: 4.4 BSD forever?) In-Reply-To: <96557.947384746@zippy.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 8 Jan 2000, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > And then things start happening like 3.5 coming out after 4.0... > > Which is just fine since they denote separate and parallel branches of > development. If you want to take the version numbers to their logical > degree of absurdity and start doing things like adding 2.2.8 to 3.2 to > get FreeBSD 5.4.8, the most stable version you could possibly imagine, > that's your business. :) I almost had FreeBSD 6.4, but I decided to make two CDs instead. (i386 + alpha) :-) My vote for best mix was FreeBSD 3.0-R. It seemed like the best one to me. --- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR | TGIFreeBSD... 'Nuff said. | ------------------------------------------------------- "God gave them the ability to reproduce... ... Science gave us the hope they won't." -KBK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jan 10 19:45:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from ns3.tstt.net.tt (ns3.tstt.net.tt [196.3.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683641539C for ; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 19:44:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dchulhan@uwi.tt) Received: from uwi.tt (cuscon3497.tstt.net.tt [209.94.215.19]) by ns3.tstt.net.tt with ESMTP id XAA51868; Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:35:57 -0400 Message-ID: <387AA640.F7ED2EF0@uwi.tt> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:40:48 -0400 From: "Dale Chulhan - \\" Away\ "" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Iain Templeton Cc: "Daniel O'Connor" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Question] X-Window Suport for AGP in 2.2.7 Dist. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey you guys .... my original post pin pointed the dist of X that CAME with ( the walnut creek ) FBsd 2.2.7 ..... I was also basically asking if I just downloaded the server for the sis .... if it would work off the bat or do I have to up grade tge rest of xf,,e86?? eh? Iain Templeton wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Jan 2000, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > > > > On 11-Jan-00 Iain Templeton wrote: > > > I have X 3.3.4 and an AGP SiS 6326 running under FreeBSD 3.2 > > > and apart from having a really poor monitor it works. I can > > > get 1024x768 in 24 bit, provided I don't mind having poor > > > refresh rates and the like. > > > You just can't use the graphical set up utility I believe, but the > > > XFree86 SVGA driver will recognise the card. > > > > Hmmm.. I tried setting it up for a friend and it half worked, but it > > tended to crash the machine.. I turned acceleration off which helped.. > > > Sorry, I forgot to mention that bit. I also had to turn all acceleration > off other I got all sorts of graphical glitches. > > Perhaps his computer was dodgy? > > > > I don't think the version of FreeBSD running is relavent to the problem. > > True, but I see so many people told off for not putting it in there :-) > > Iain. -- ========== This is a message from Dale E. Chulhan I don't normally dig up in computing and email on the weekend but you've made the exception list. You will get better responses from me when I'm at work usually Mon. to Thur. (Yes I don't work on Fridays.) For the ultimate response time send email to my pager ( if you know how ). To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 11 4:27:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99D9015464 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:27:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 196AA7555; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 085F41D8A; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:28:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 04:28:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Ollivier Robert Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load spike strangeness In-Reply-To: <20000110230758.A43221@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Ollivier Robert wrote: :Nah, there's worse than Brad... Peter [Da Silva] is infinitely worse than :anyone I know for that :-) Just out of curiousity, is that the same one who's name is all over AMANDA? Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 11 5:17:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8631545C for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 05:17:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA70863; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:15:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: James Howard Cc: Bakul Shah , Julian Elischer , Darren Reed , Yoshinobu Inoue , louie@TransSys.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 11 Jan 2000 14:15:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: James Howard's message of "Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:59:51 -0500 (EST)" Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org James Howard writes: > After a year or so of reading these mailing lists, I have seen several > (many?) references to fairings. I have figured out they were once an > object of some debate, but that is all I know. How do they relate to bike > sheds (something else which seems to be debated upon)? We will park our bikes (which have no fairings) in the bike shed, once we figure out what color to paint it. > What isn't this in > the handbook/FAQ? :) Because it's not really a frequently asked question. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 11 11: 8:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bytor.rush.net (bytor.rush.net [209.45.245.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6013514FB0 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 11:08:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lynch@bsd.unix.sh) Received: from localhost (lynch@localhost) by bytor.rush.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA07352; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:08:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 14:08:12 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Lynch X-Sender: lynch@bytor.rush.net To: Ollivier Robert Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Joe Greco Subject: Re: load spike strangeness In-Reply-To: <20000110230758.A43221@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter also used to hang out on a "private" irc channel on Efnet , his nick was rather funny, and he (still) comes out with these really hilarious exclamations like "Fuck Microsoft With a 25 inch goat penis!" and stuff like that.[1] -Pat [1]: not a direct quote, but something he could actually say at some point. __ Pat Lynch lynch@rush.net lynch@bsdunix.net lynch@unix.sh lynch@blowfi.sh Systems Administrator Rush Networking On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Ollivier Robert wrote: > [ redirected to -chat please ] > > According to Joe Greco: > > Seriously, Brad, I'm not convinced that you're anything more than a > > complex PERL program until I meet you in person. > > Sorry to burst your bubble, I've met Brad in person :-) > > > Particularly since > > you seem to have more time and energy to spend posting to Usenet and > > mailing lists than anyone else I know. ;-) > > Nah, there's worse than Brad... Peter [Da Silva] is infinitely worse than > anyone I know for that :-) > -- > Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr > FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #77: Thu Dec 30 12:49:51 CET 1999 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 11 13:46:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.bfm.org (mail.bfm.org [216.127.218.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7871B14D32 for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 13:46:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from adam@whizkidtech.net) Received: from WhizKid (r32.bfm.org [216.127.220.128]) by mail.bfm.org (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-52399U2500L250S0V35) with SMTP id org; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:45:59 -0600 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000111154622.009da5b0@mail85.pair.com> X-Sender: whizkid@mail85.pair.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 15:46:22 -0600 To: Pat Lynch From: "G. Adam Stanislav" Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: References: <20000110230758.A43221@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 14:08 11-01-2000 -0500, Pat Lynch wrote: >exclamations like "Fuck Microsoft With a 25 inch goat penis!" and stuff >like that.[1] Pat, Are you sure a 25-inch goat would have one big enough for Microsoft? Adam To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 11 16:11:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from shell.futuresouth.com (shell.futuresouth.com [198.78.58.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBBC0150FF for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:11:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fullermd@futuresouth.com) Received: (from fullermd@localhost) by shell.futuresouth.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14355; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:10:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:10:29 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Warner Losh Cc: Doug Russell , Wilko Bulte , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -pipe switch in kernel compilation Message-ID: <20000111181029.A22816@futuresouth.com> References: <200001112053.NAA06370@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre3i In-Reply-To: <200001112053.NAA06370@harmony.village.org> X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved to -chat before I'm lynched] On Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 01:53:10PM -0700, a little birdie told me that Warner Losh remarked > In message Doug Russell writes: > : See, I knew there was a reason I hung on to all these 1M 30 pin SIMMs. :) > : Old 386/40s sure make nice little router/modem/whatever boxes. :) > > Until their hard disks go south :-(. The biggest problems I have with > them is that they also tend to dislike newer ATA disks. > > Then again, I have 512k 72pin SIMMS around for when I want to try to > boot the kernel in 2MB of memory. Not that I want to do this very > often... I have a 386 SX/16 (no 387) with 4 megs of RAM and a 100 meg drive running (presently) 2.1.5-RELEASE. When I installed it (out of morbid curiosity), I built a kernel, which took about 6 hours. I'm now doing a (NFS) make world of the latest RELENG_2_1_0 (nope, no buildworld on that branch. Anyone wanna try backporting it? ;). It's now in Day 8 and building .../usr.bin/f2c. It took approximately 7 hours to compile troff, thrashing madly the whole time (something like 15 pageins/sec, as fast as the disk would handle). This is with -O -pipe BTW. I'm expecting perhaps 12-15 days for the entire make world. Fun for the whole family! :) -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Unix Systems Administrator | fullermd@futuresouth.com Specializing in FreeBSD | http://www.over-yonder.net/ "The only reason I'm burning my candle at both ends, is because I haven't figured out how to light the middle yet" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 11 16:34:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from frmug.org (frmug-gw.frmug.org [193.56.58.252]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC89155AC for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:34:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by frmug.org (8.9.3/frmug-2.5/nospam) with UUCP id BAA11681 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 01:34:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by keltia.freenix.fr (Postfix, from userid 101) id 0D13D8863; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:42:22 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:42:22 +0100 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load spike strangeness Message-ID: <20000112004222.A52592@keltia.freenix.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <20000110230758.A43221@keltia.freenix.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from ragnar@sysabend.org on Tue, Jan 11, 2000 at 04:28:35AM -0800 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT/ELF AMD-K6/200 & 2x PPro/200 SMP Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org According to Jamie Bowden: > Just out of curiousity, is that the same one who's name is all over > AMANDA? I'm afraid not. The author of Amanda is James da Silva. -=-=- By James da Silva and others. -=-=- -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr FreeBSD keltia.freenix.fr 4.0-CURRENT #77: Thu Dec 30 12:49:51 CET 1999 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jan 11 22:17:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EA61517D for ; Tue, 11 Jan 2000 22:17:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (doconnor@cain [203.38.152.97]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA04012; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:47:09 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3.1 [p0] on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <387AA640.F7ED2EF0@uwi.tt> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:47:09 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "\"Dale Chulhan - \\\"Away\\\"\" "@cain.gsoft.com.au Subject: Re: [Question] X-Window Suport for AGP in 2.2.7 Dist. Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, Iain Templeton Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 11-Jan-00 \"Dale Chulhan - \\\"Away\\\"\ wrote: > my original post pin pointed the dist of X that CAME with ( the > walnut > creek ) FBsd 2.2.7 ..... > > I was also basically asking if I just downloaded the server for the > sis > .... if it would work off the bat or do I have to up grade tge rest > of > xf,,e86?? You should be able to just upgrade the X server.. Use the SVGA one. --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 12 0:35:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F183414C14 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 00:35:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA76742; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:35:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from des@flood.ping.uio.no) To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: Warner Losh , Doug Russell , Wilko Bulte , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -pipe switch in kernel compilation References: <200001112053.NAA06370@harmony.village.org> <20000111181029.A22816@futuresouth.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 12 Jan 2000 09:35:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: "Matthew D. Fuller"'s message of "Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:10:29 -0600" Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Matthew D. Fuller" writes: > I have a 386 SX/16 (no 387) with 4 megs of RAM and a 100 meg drive running > (presently) 2.1.5-RELEASE. When I installed it (out of morbid curiosity), > I built a kernel, which took about 6 hours. I'm now doing a (NFS) make > world of the latest RELENG_2_1_0 (nope, no buildworld on that branch. > Anyone wanna try backporting it? ;). It's now in Day 8 and building > .../usr.bin/f2c. It took approximately 7 hours to compile troff, > thrashing madly the whole time (something like 15 pageins/sec, as fast as > the disk would handle). This is with -O -pipe BTW. I'm expecting > perhaps 12-15 days for the entire make world. Fun for the whole family! > :) The moral of the story: don't use -pipe on low-memory systems. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 12 4:26:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BB315021 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:26:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ragnar@sysabend.org) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 0873D7555; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E591D89; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:27:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:27:25 -0800 (PST) From: Jamie Bowden To: Ollivier Robert Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: load spike strangeness In-Reply-To: <20000112004222.A52592@keltia.freenix.fr> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Ollivier Robert wrote: :According to Jamie Bowden: :> Just out of curiousity, is that the same one who's name is all over :> AMANDA? : :I'm afraid not. The author of Amanda is James da Silva. : :-=-=- :By James da Silva and others. :-=-=- Okay, it's the last name that threw me. I haven't compiled AMANDA in forever, and was misremembering. Jamie Bowden -- "Of course, that's sort of like asking how other than Marketing, Microsoft is different from any other software company..." Kenneth G. Cavness To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 12 4:47: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from InterJet.elischer.org (c421509-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.7.86.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9256014EE6 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:47:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org (InterJet.elischer.org [192.168.1.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA03054; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:46:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 04:46:40 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: James Howard , Bakul Shah , Darren Reed , Yoshinobu Inoue , louie@TransSys.COM, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.0 code freeze scheduled for Jan 15th In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 'fairings' refer to an event that happenned in 386bsd/freebsd at around the time when freebsd was either 386bsd or shortly after. On 11 Jan 2000, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > James Howard writes: > > After a year or so of reading these mailing lists, I have seen several > > (many?) references to fairings. I have figured out they were once an > > object of some debate, but that is all I know. How do they relate to bike > > sheds (something else which seems to be debated upon)? > > We will park our bikes (which have no fairings) in the bike shed, once > we figure out what color to paint it. > > > What isn't this in > > the handbook/FAQ? :) > > Because it's not really a frequently asked question. > > DES > -- > Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@flood.ping.uio.no > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 12 15:13:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.enteract.com (mail.enteract.com [207.229.143.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC8A14D23 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:13:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Received: from shell-3.enteract.com (dscheidt@shell-3.enteract.com [207.229.143.42]) by mail.enteract.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA99986; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:13:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dscheidt@enteract.com) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 17:13:39 -0600 (CST) From: David Scheidt To: Michael Bacarella Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Michael Lucas Subject: Re: Reading the kernel sources In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Moved to -chat] On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Michael Bacarella wrote: > > > I find myself in a contract where I sit for eight hours a day and wait > > for something to break. It pays obscenely well, so I'm putting up > > with the tedium. > > Wow, how does one come across such a contract? Production support? Things like that can be pretty interrupt driven, with periods where there isn't anything that really needs doing now. They tend to be followed by periods where everything needs NOW. David To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 12 20:46:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mooseriver.com (superior.mooseriver.com [209.249.56.198]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F17915073 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:46:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by mooseriver.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA48570 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:46:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <200001130446.UAA48570@mooseriver.com> Subject: Headcount for January San Francisco BAFUG meeting To: chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:46:24 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Heads up! I need a head count of people who are planning on attending Thursdays meeting. This is so I'll have some idea how much pizza, soda, and coffee to get. If you could respond by Thursday 6pm it would be very helpful. Our normally scheduled hacking will now continue. Josef To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jan 12 22: 2:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nyc.rr.com (nycsmtp3fb.rdc-nyc.rr.com [24.29.99.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB9315482 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:02:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from uncleben@mindspring.com) Received: from rohan ([24.29.144.208]) by nyc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:06:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000113010945.007a1890@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: uncleben@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 01:09:45 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Ben Pitzer Subject: Number Nine Revolution IV video cards Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I'm just curious if anyone has had any luck with Number Nine Revolution IV video cards and X windows? I'd like to install FreeBSD on my machine at work, but unfortunately, I can't seem to make anything work with the video card that I have. It's actually a dual card/dual monitor setup that works great with NT, but I'd be perfectly happy getting one monitor working with FreeBSD. According to the information that I saw on www.xfree86.org, there may be some minimal support for the hardware, but I can't seem to make it work. The GUI is just flat UGLY, and it goes haywire everytime I move a window, scroll in a terminal window, or do just about anything else. I've tried changing the XF86Config file, adding in the following lines: Option "dac_8_bit" Option "no_accel" Option "sync_on_green" I restarted my X session, and it was no good. I can't even get the monitor to light now, and have to CTRL-ALT-Backspace out of it. I ran through xf86config, to no avail. Evidently, I didn't get XF86Setup with this ftp install (I'll confess, I was using an installation of Red Hat for the first try, but I'd rather use FreeBSD, assuming I can get the X Windows working). In all, I'd like to find a patch, or some configuration ideas for this card, to get it working. If any of you have any ideas, or have code, or can find code to compile into the kernel that might help, I'd be VERY grateful. Anything to get NT off of my box, and out of my life. Thanks in advance. Regards, Ben Pitzer uncleben@mindspring.com "I would rather be ashes than dust. I would rather that my spark should burn out in a brilliant blaze than be stifled by dry-rot. I would rather be a superb meteorite, every atom of me in maginficent glow, than a sleepy, permanent planet. The proper function of man is to live, not to exist. I will not waste my days by trying to prolong them. I will use my time." -Jack London To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 13 2:19:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dozer.skynet.be (dozer.skynet.be [195.238.2.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317AF1533D; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 02:19:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from blk@skynet.be) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by dozer.skynet.be (8.9.3/odie-relay-v1.0) with ESMTP id LAA18007; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:18:59 +0100 (MET) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@foxbert.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000109042111.D0285A80F@kendra.ne.mediaone.net> References: <20000109042111.D0285A80F@kendra.ne.mediaone.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 10:19:35 +0100 To: root@kew.com (Snuffles on Sonata), chat@freebsd.org From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: 4.4 BSD forever? Cc: stable@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:21 PM -0500 2000/1/8, Snuffles on Sonata wrote: > Some of us remember 4.1 and 4.2 as well. :-) Some of us remember 2.9BSD on a PDP 11/70 with two banks of 64KB RAM. ;-) And some of remember the day we saw a 15% performance increase on that machine, when one of the local hacker/admins installed a new kernel where the machine code (not assembly) had been hand-tuned. ;-) ;-) Of course, I'm sure that some of us remember much further back than that. Me, I can only go back so far as my freshman year of 1984. Also, this no longer has anything to do with -stable. This thread should either be killed or moved to -chat. -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ____________________________________________________________________ |o| Brad Knowles, Belgacom Skynet NV/SA |o| |o| Systems Architect, News & FTP Admin Rue Col. Bourg, 124 |o| |o| Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.11.11/12.49 B-1140 Brussels |o| |o| http://www.skynet.be Belgium |o| \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Unix is like a wigwam -- no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside. Unix is very user-friendly. It's just picky who its friends are. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 13 4: 3:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from intranova.net (blacklisted.intranova.net [209.3.31.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 616D415637 for ; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 04:03:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oogali@intranova.net) Received: (qmail 7217 invoked from network); 13 Jan 2000 07:05:10 -0000 Received: from hydrant.intranova.net (user45427@209.201.95.10) by blacklisted.intranova.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2000 07:05:10 -0000 Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 07:00:44 -0500 (EST) From: Omachonu Ogali To: Eivind Eklund Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! In-Reply-To: <20000109150716.D51101@bitbox.follo.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There are some institutions and organizations (such as banks and crime departments) that need to record dates that happened before 1970. Omachonu Ogali Intranova Networking Group On Sun, 9 Jan 2000, Eivind Eklund wrote: > On Thu, Jan 06, 2000 at 09:26:46PM -0500, Omachonu Ogali wrote: > > It can't be signed because you then break all dates before the Unix epoch > > (January 1, 1970 00:00:00 UTC) > > In 2038, I'm pretty sure I'd much rather break all dates before 1970 > than all dates after february. > > Eivind. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Jan 13 11:29:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.240.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E0B514ECA; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:29:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) id LAA29611; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:29:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:29:30 -0800 From: Matthew Hunt To: Omachonu Ogali Cc: Eivind Eklund , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I will never trust NBC news again! Message-ID: <20000113112930.A29388@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <20000109150716.D51101@bitbox.follo.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from oogali@intranova.net on Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 07:00:44AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Jan 13, 2000 at 07:00:44AM -0500, Omachonu Ogali wrote: > There are some institutions and organizations (such as banks and crime > departments) that need to record dates that happened before 1970. That's not what a time_t is for. -- Matthew Hunt * Science rules. http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 14 11:52:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from stumpy.dannyland.org (stumpy.dannyland.org [209.157.133.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE3F14A2A for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:52:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org) Received: by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3DA633D9C; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:52:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:52:16 -0800 From: dannyman To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Cc: webweaver@rmci.net Subject: [fwd] A little help please- I can't post to fbsd Message-ID: <20000114115216.I58728@stumpy.dannyland.org> Reply-To: webweaver@rmci.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i X-Loop: djhoward@uiuc.edu X-URL: http://www.dannyland.org/~dannyman/ Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey guys, any charitable soul feel like helping this guy out? -d ----- Forwarded message from Ken ----- Return-Path: Delivered-To: dannyman@stumpy.dannyland.org Received: from sasquatch.dannyland.org (sasquatch.dannyland.org [207.229.158.70]) by stumpy.dannyland.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C7C2A3D81 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:40:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18624 invoked by uid 1000); 14 Jan 2000 19:40:54 -0000 Delivered-To: dannyman@dannyland.org Received: (qmail 18621 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2000 19:40:54 -0000 Received: from halcyon.rmci.net (HELO mx20.rmci.net) (205.162.184.63) by sasquatch.dannyland.org with SMTP; 14 Jan 2000 19:40:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 25401 invoked from network); 14 Jan 2000 19:40:36 -0000 Received: from usr-boi-45.rmci.net (HELO chilly-willy) (206.159.112.131) by halcyon.rmci.net with SMTP; 14 Jan 2000 19:40:36 -0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000114123343.0095b650@mail.rmci.net> X-Sender: webweaver@mail.rmci.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:42:26 -0700 To: dannyman From: Ken Subject: A little help please- I can't post to fbsd In-Reply-To: <20000114102847.A16985@stumpy.dannyland.org> References: <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> <20000105165135.A29204@stumpy.dannyland.org> <3.0.5.32.20000108191602.03a36270@ccsales.com> <3878E285.97452085@inc.net> <3.0.5.32.20000114101229.041ef580@ccsales.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Dannyman: Sorry to bug you but I could use a little help. For some months now I have been unable to send mail to anyaddress@freebsd.org from any account with this ISP. I checked and they are not black listed. ISP's mail admin says it's not his problem. Recently I was able to send mail to majordomo@freebsd.org and subscribe to the isp list. I currently receive messages, but posts get rejected with "access denied". Could you please forward this and/or clue me into a fbsd.org mail or list admin that I can contact at a non fbsds.org address? I have contacts with management at my ISP and can use them to leverage the mail admin if I can provide the proof that the problem is on his end. Thanks for any assistance you may be able to provide. Regards, Ken Gunderson ----- End forwarded message ----- -- come.to/dannyman To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jan 14 16:48:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp02.primenet.com (smtp02.primenet.com [206.165.6.132]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E497914FAF for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:46:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp02.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA18760; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:46:25 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp02.primenet.com, id smtpdAAA6_aGKK; Fri Jan 14 17:46:20 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15144; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:44:48 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200001150044.RAA15144@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Anonymity, was: load spike strangeness To: chuckr@picnic.mat.net (Chuck Robey) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:44:48 +0000 (GMT) Cc: bsd@inbox.org (Mr. K.), leif@neland.dk (Leif Neland), freebsd@gtonet.net (FreeBSD), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Chuck Robey" at Jan 10, 2000 02:04:22 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Don't take this post as me being back from being swamped, or that I have read any depth into the email accumulated since December 17th; I normally wait until such time as I have read _all_ my email before I begin responding. However... > You know, I can understand (even if I disagree with) the need for > anonymity in political or industrial discussions. I just can't get close > to understanding that need on the FreeBSD lists. Perhaps his true identity is Linus, and he didn't want the obvious reprisals? 8-p. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 15 0: 5: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from agora.bafug.org (chicago.mooseriver.com [209.133.53.176]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D274114D93 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:05:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch@agora.bafug.org) Received: (from jgrosch@localhost) by agora.bafug.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03606 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:05:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jgrosch) From: Josef Grosch Message-Id: <200001150805.AAA03606@agora.bafug.org> Subject: BAFUG Announce To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:05:01 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL61 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is the monthly BAFUG posting. It contains 3 sections; Jobs, Counter, and Retail notice. This is posted on the first of the month. If there are any questions please send them to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com Thanks *** JOBS NOTICE *** San Francisco Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) has put up a web page of employers in the San Francisco Bay Area who are looking for employees, permanent or contact, who have FreeBSD skills. The URL is : http://www.bafug.org/BayAreaJobs.html Employers: The emphasis here is FreeBSD. The job you are advertising should have FreeBSD as a major component of the job. If you wish to advertise a job please send the URL to your web page with the job listings to jgrosch@MooseRiver.com. Employees: When contacting these employers please tell them that you saw this job listing on the Bay Area FreeBSD Jobs page. *** COUNTER NOTICE *** FreeBSD Counter Project The FreeBSD Counter project and BAFUG (Bay Area FreeBSD Users Group) have put up the first public beta of its counter page. The Counter project is an attempt to gauge the installed base of FreeBSD. We current do not have a very good idea as to what is our installed base, how FreeBSD is being used and by whom. Because of this, FreeBSD is at a disadvantage when talking to ISVs and hardware and software vendors. You are invited to register with the counter project. The counter page can be found at : http://www.bafug.org/FbsdCounter.html Couple of caveats: * Your information is held to be confidential. Only those on the project, FreeBSD core group, and Walnut Creek CDROM will ever see this information. It will _NOT_ be handed over to spammers, direct marketers, and any of the other assorted bozos. * Suggestions and comments are welcome! * The database behind this page was built from the email registrations sent to Walnut Creek. If you registered at the time of an install chances are you are in this database. *** RETAIL NOTICE *** Retail outlets for FreeBSD A common question for new users of FreeBSD is, "Where can I get a copy of FreeBSD"? Aside from Walnut Creek CDROM (http://www.cdrom.com) there are a number of retail outlets world wide. A partial list can be found at http://www.bafug.org/Retail.html Notice this is a partial list. We are collecting addresses (snail, email, and web) of retail outlets for FreeBSD. So, send us the address of you friendly (or not-so-friendly) store that carries FreeBSD. -- $Id: BafugAnnounce.txt,v 1.2 1999/10/01 07:10:24 jgrosch Exp $ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 15 8:37:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail.HiWAAY.net (fly.HiWAAY.net [208.147.154.56]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F8A14C89 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 08:37:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sprice@hiwaay.net) Received: from localhost (sprice@localhost) by mail.HiWAAY.net (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA16490 for ; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:37:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 10:37:37 -0600 (CST) From: Steve Price To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD in Nashville, TN? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Howdy all, Are there any FreeBSD user groups in Nashville, TN? If not, is there any interest in starting one? I may be moving up there in a short while and wanted to know what the OS climate was like. -steve To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jan 15 17:15:57 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 608) id 1B1D914CF8; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:15:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" To: webweaver@rmci.net Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, webweaver@rmci.net In-reply-to: <20000114115216.I58728@stumpy.dannyland.org> (message from dannyman on Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:52:16 -0800) Subject: Re: [fwd] A little help please- I can't post to fbsd Message-Id: <20000116011551.1B1D914CF8@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:15:51 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org rmci.net has been blocked for a while now: RMCI.NET #blocked. contact postmaster Sat Oct 17 19:01:39 PDT 1998 they spammed us. we have blocked them every since....they failed to respond to our emails regarding the spamming. they have tried to send us repeatedly since september 1 (my oldest records, still available). i'll unblock them, but any spam and wham, the block goes back into effect. jmb To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message