From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 10 1:35:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6926137B422; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:34:31 -0700 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA55051; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:35:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 01:35:30 -0700 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BSDCon Message-ID: <20000910013530.Z69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20000909192036.R2089@bonsai.hiwaay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 11:55:45PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 11:55:45PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Steve Price wrote: > > > What days are people going to be at BSDCon? If I'm able to make > > it (and chances are looking slim) I won't be able to make it for > > the whole 14th to 20th deal. If I could figure out when we were > > planning to have gatherings I could try to squeeze in a couple of > > days. The night of the 19th for the BSDi dinner is the only > > confirmed gathering that I've been able to find. > > I'll be there from the 16th to the 20th.. I keep forgetting to ask this. Is BSDCon intentionally being held in Monterey, CA at the same time the SANS Network Security 2000 is there? Sorry if that's a dumb question. But I'll probably be down for SANS. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Sep 10 2:45:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3701337B424 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11819; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:45:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: David Scheidt Cc: Jim , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The new edition of Unix System Administration Handbook References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 10 Sep 2000 11:45:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: David Scheidt's message of "Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:02:22 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Scheidt writes: > Why should a little thing like the book not being red stop people from > calling it that? Just another arcane thing to keep newcomers scratching > their heads. And if you want to show your age (or pretend to be older than you are), you can call it the Yellow Book. (not that it's so long since it was yellow) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 4:56:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA2B37B42C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:56:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 80FA77565; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAE91D89; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:58:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:58:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Steve Price Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDCon In-Reply-To: <20000909192036.R2089@bonsai.hiwaay.net> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Steve Price wrote: :What days are people going to be at BSDCon? If I'm able to make :it (and chances are looking slim) I won't be able to make it for :the whole 14th to 20th deal. If I could figure out when we were :planning to have gatherings I could try to squeeze in a couple of :days. The night of the 19th for the BSDi dinner is the only :confirmed gathering that I've been able to find. So tell them to get the yellow book then. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 4:57:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A5437B423 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AA3C1755B; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58DF1D89; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:59:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:59:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: David Scheidt Cc: Jim , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The new edition of Unix System Administration Handbook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, David Scheidt wrote: :Why should a little thing like the book not being red stop people from :calling it that? Just another arcane thing to keep newcomers scratching :their heads. So tell them to go get the yellow book then. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 5: 5: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A8C37B422 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 66C1E755B; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6436C1D89; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:07:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Steve Price Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSDCon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Jamie Bowden wrote: : ::What days are people going to be at BSDCon? If I'm able to make ::it (and chances are looking slim) I won't be able to make it for ::the whole 14th to 20th deal. If I could figure out when we were ::planning to have gatherings I could try to squeeze in a couple of ::days. The night of the 19th for the BSDi dinner is the only ::confirmed gathering that I've been able to find. :So tell them to get the yellow book then. Apologies here, I responded to a message I wasn't actively reading, and didn't notice till it was too late. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 12:32:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4570737B43C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA22006 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:45:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Anti-pr0n or censored proxy for school district Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can you folks help me search out a "content control" mechanism for a school computer lab? I was considering simple filters. The problem is collecting a rule set. I was hoping to avoid a commerical client side solution like net-nanny. A choke point solution would be better. I am inclined to think that such a thing is a hopless endeavour. Have any of you had to do this? What were the results? Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 12:43:58 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92F1F37B423 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A580F15513; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:53 -0700 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Anti-pr0n or censored proxy for school district Message-ID: <20000911124353.A93326@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jcwells@nwlink.com on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 12:45:23PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 4.0-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (97% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 3F11 DB43 F080 C037 96F0 F8D3 5BD2 652B 171C 86DB X-Uptime: 12:42PM up 40 days, 20:20, 2 users, load averages: 1.02, 1.03, 1.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jason C. Wells (jcwells@nwlink.com) wrote: > Can you folks help me search out a "content control" mechanism for a > school computer lab? > > I was considering simple filters. The problem is collecting a rule set. > I was hoping to avoid a commerical client side solution like net-nanny. A > choke point solution would be better. > > I am inclined to think that such a thing is a hopless endeavour. Have any > of you had to do this? What were the results? > > Thank you, > Jason C. Wells > How about using squid with the squidguard addon. The URLS are both listed in the ports. Hope this helps. TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you put pasta shells to your ear, can you hear the soup? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 12:50:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (enterprise.sd73.bc.ca [207.23.161.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD10337B424 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DarkSide ([207.23.161.75]) by enterprise.sd73.bc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA19559; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:51:22 -0700 From: "Freddie Cash" To: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:56 -0700 Subject: Re: Anti-pr0n or censored proxy for school district Reply-To: fcash@bigfoot.com Message-ID: <39BCD38C.6471.101F1013@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Can you folks help me search out a "content control" mechanism for a > school computer lab? > I was considering simple filters. The problem is collecting a rule set. > I was hoping to avoid a commerical client side solution like net-nanny. > A choke point solution would be better. > I am inclined to think that such a thing is a hopless endeavour. Have > any of you had to do this? What were the results? The school district here, unfortunately, uses IBM's NetVista server running on NT4 to provide proxying, content control, LAN-mail, and the like. Works ok, but it requires lots of HP on the backend, and the newer versions require a fair bit of HP on the client-side now too. Since we're in the process of putting in new FreeBSD-based firewalls, I am attempting to come up with a plan to move away from NetVista and more towards an ipfw-type solution. If I come up with any great solutions, I'll pass them on (or vice versa, I hope). Freddie Cash fcash@bigfoot.com ----------------- Windows 98: noun Updated 32-bit extensions to a 16-bit graphical shell for an 8-bit operating system, originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand 1-bit of competition. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 12:55:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8838037B423 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA27527; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:55:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:08:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anti-pr0n or censored proxy for school district In-Reply-To: <20000911124353.A93326@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > How about using squid with the squidguard addon. The URLS are both > listed in the ports. Hope this helps. This looks promising. Thanks! Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 13:40:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from relay1.inwind.it (relay1.inwind.it [212.141.53.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD4837B42C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:40:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bartequi.ottodomain.org (212.141.78.192) by relay1.inwind.it (5.1.046) id 39AFDC990016B132; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:38:28 +0200 From: Salvo Bartolotta Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:38:42 GMT Message-ID: <20000911.21384200@bartequi.ottodomain.org> Subject: Re: PORTMAP To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: "Otter" , "Odhiambo Washington" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1611644915.20000911205828@buz.ch> References: <1611644915.20000911205828@buz.ch> X-Mailer: SuperCalifragilis X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ redirected to -chat ]=20 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 9/11/00, 7:58:28 PM, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote=20 regarding Re[2]: PORTMAP: > Hello Otter, > Sunday, September 10, 2000, 4:49:24 PM, you wrote: > > The rc.conf file is an easy one. As I sit here and think about those= > > in a mission critical environment, and the changes they might need t= o > > make after getting the OS installed and in production... Is there an= y > > way to make changes to the rc.conf, and somehow > > restart/reinitialize/etc those changes without rebooting? Maybe > > sysctl? I've been looking at the man page for it and don't see > > anything that would work there. Anyone have a clue? I don't. > That depends heavily on the settings you refer to. You can change many= > during runtime, some are easier, some harder, some use sysctl (mainly > those who use sysctl in rc), some someother tool (e.g. kill -HUP). If > you just want to get down portmap, a simple > # kill `cat /var/run/portmap.pid` > should generally do it. > Best regards, > Gabriel Hello Gabriel, I had to go out (it was Sunday after all ;-) just when the best part=20 of the conversation was taking place ... I had thought that the most interesting/least obvious case was that of=20 rc.conf(5); the other cases being relatively easier and related to=20 such [more or less] common commands/man pages as kill(1), killall(1),=20 sysctl(8), sysctl.conf(5); which commands, AFAIR, as well as their=20 [more or less] subtle implications, have been discussed a thousand=20 times on the -questions list. However, repetita iuvant* :-) Most importantly, FreeBSD !=3D Winblows. Usually, you only reboot when=20 you wish to boot a new kernel (e.g. during the source updating=20 process) ;-) --Salvo *Latin: literally: "repeated things help", ie repeating=20 advice/recommendations/etc. helps. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 14:10:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beast.daemontech.com (beast.daemontech.com [208.138.46.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ED79837B43C for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 43096 invoked by uid 200); 11 Sep 2000 21:10:29 -0000 Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (208.138.46.10) by beast.daemontech.com with SMTP; 11 Sep 2000 21:10:29 -0000 Content-Length: 1035 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:10:29 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Daemon Technologies From: Nicole To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: BAFUG / BABUG Meeting This Thursday In FosterCity Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Our next meeting will be held: at IBM/Whistle on Thursday, Sept 14th. at 7:30pm. Our Topic: Installing FreeBSD By Nicole Harrington & FreeBSD NetBoot Install by Alfred Perlstein. This will be a walk thru demonstration on a live machine overviewing the install choices, file system layouts for different types of machines, swap size needs, code base and package installs choices and reasoning. ( I will also present my list of Nicole'isms or how "I" like machines setup and solcit alternatives. ) Alfred will be performing a walk thru demonstration of his new NetBoot install program that makes installing FreeBSD almost too easy. This should be a great time for someone new to FreeBSD to attend, and for those old hats to come and share your views. Express your reasons for how you perform your installs and more! An FTP mirror will be available for those who wish to bring a machine along if you are having trouble. Please see our website for more information: http://www.babug.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 14:36:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9D2737B424; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8BLamQ01830; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 14:36:48 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Nicole Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BAFUG / BABUG Meeting This Thursday In FosterCity Message-ID: <20000911143647.V12231@fw.wintelcom.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: ; from nicole@babug.org on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 02:10:29PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Nicole [000911 14:10] wrote: > > Our next meeting will be held: > at IBM/Whistle on Thursday, Sept 14th. at 7:30pm. > > Our Topic: > Installing FreeBSD By Nicole Harrington & FreeBSD NetBoot Install by Alfred > Perlstein. > > This will be a walk thru demonstration on a live machine overviewing the > install choices, file system layouts for different types of machines, swap size > needs, code base and package installs choices and reasoning. ( I will also > present my list of Nicole'isms or how "I" like machines setup and solcit > alternatives. ) > > Alfred will be performing a walk thru demonstration of his > new NetBoot install program that makes installing FreeBSD almost too easy. > > This should be a great time for someone new to FreeBSD to > attend, and for those old hats to come and share your views. Express your > reasons for how you perform your installs and more! > > An FTP mirror will be available for those who wish to bring a machine along if > you are having trouble. I would also like to discuss the recent my and Bosko Milekic's recent start on making the network stack MPsafe, so any smp gurus showing up would be most appreciated. I'd also like to thank Mike Smith in advance for his recent work on the PXE->NFS_ROOT stuff, if I have time I'll try to adapt my tutorial to use it. I'd also like to point out that although I've done PXE setups for two companies now, the majority of the actual code was done by Paul Saab, Peter Wemm at Yahoo! and Johnathan Baldwin at BSDi. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 15:23:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pike.osd.bsdi.com (pike.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.222]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31BE537B423 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jhb@localhost) by pike.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA65789; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:23:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb) From: John Baldwin Message-Id: <200009112223.PAA65789@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Subject: Re: BAFUG / BABUG Meeting This Thursday In FosterCity In-Reply-To: <20000911143647.V12231@fw.wintelcom.net> from Alfred Perlstein at "Sep 11, 2000 02:36:48 pm" To: Alfred Perlstein Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL68 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alfred Perlstein wrote: > I'd also like to thank Mike Smith in advance for his recent work on > the PXE->NFS_ROOT stuff, if I have time I'll try to adapt my tutorial > to use it. I'd also like to point out that although I've done PXE > setups for two companies now, the majority of the actual code was done > by Paul Saab, Peter Wemm at Yahoo! and Johnathan Baldwin at BSDi. *cough* Albert, it's just John. :) -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 15:38:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.registeredsite.com (mail2.registeredsite.com [209.35.159.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1093A37B424 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.threespace.com ([216.247.134.44]) by mail2.registeredsite.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24670 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:36:17 -0400 Received: from atlanta.threespace.com [24.21.224.204] by mail.threespace.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id AED41359010C; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:38:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000911182359.00cb24d0@mail.threespace.com> X-Sender: ksmm@mail.threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:24:52 -0400 To: FreeBSD Chat From: The Classiest Man Alive Subject: Fwd: A.Word.A.Day--hacker Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Glad to see that somebody is finally trying to get it right. >Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:03:42 -0400 >From: Wordsmith >To: linguaphile@wordsmith.org >Subject: A.Word.A.Day--hacker >X-RCPT-TO: > >hacker (HACK-uhr) noun > > 1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems > and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who > prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. > > 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys > programming rather than just theorizing about programming. > > 3. A person capable of appreciating hack value. > > 4. A person who is good at programming quickly. > > 5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work > using it or on it; as in `a Unix hacker'. > (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them > congregate.) > > 6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy > hacker, for example. > > 7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming > or circumventing limitations. > > 8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive > information by poking around. Hence `password hacker', `network > hacker'. The correct term for this sense is cracker. > >[Originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe.] > > "When Emmanuel Goldstein, who runs a hacker magazine called 2600, posted > Johanssen's software on a website, eight media companies (including Time > Warner, parent company of TIME) sued Goldstein ...." > Lev Grossman, Digital Divisiveness, Time, Aug 28, 2000. > >With the growing popularity of computers, the spread of the Internet and Web, >and the success of Linux, terms from hacker jargon are increasingly going >mainstream, though not always in the correct perspective. > >The New Hacker's Dictionary is a fascinating compendium of words from the >worlds of computing, computer networks, and the people who inhabit them. >Last week's citation of Murphy's Law brought enthusiastic responses with >requests for more examples from this book which is available at >http://www.fwi.uva.nl/~mes/jargon . > >This week we have terms from this lexicon that give us glimpses of the hacker >culture. Enjoy this geek-week and remember - hackers, though often maligned, >are good guys, they are not crackers. -Anu > >............................................................................. >It is not enough to have a good mind. The main thing is to use it well. -Rene >Descartes, "Le Discours de la Methode," 1637 > >Send your comments about words to anu@wordsmith.org. To subscribe or >unsubscribe A.Word.A.Day, send a message to wsmith@wordsmith.org with >"Subject:" line as "subscribe " or "unsubscribe". Archives, >FAQ, gift subscription form, and more at: http://wordsmith.org/awad/ > >Pronunciation: >http://wordsmith.org/words/hacker.wav >http://wordsmith.org/words/hacker.ram To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 15:49:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154A237B43E for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8BMnkk03926; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:49:46 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: John Baldwin Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: BAFUG / BABUG Meeting This Thursday In FosterCity Message-ID: <20000911154946.Y12231@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <20000911143647.V12231@fw.wintelcom.net> <200009112223.PAA65789@pike.osd.bsdi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200009112223.PAA65789@pike.osd.bsdi.com>; from jhb@pike.osd.bsdi.com on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 03:23:15PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * John Baldwin [000911 15:23] wrote: > Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > I'd also like to thank Mike Smith in advance for his recent work on > > the PXE->NFS_ROOT stuff, if I have time I'll try to adapt my tutorial > > to use it. I'd also like to point out that although I've done PXE > > setups for two companies now, the majority of the actual code was done > > by Paul Saab, Peter Wemm at Yahoo! and Johnathan Baldwin at BSDi. > > *cough* Albert, it's just John. :) Sure thing Johnathan. :-) -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 16: 2:31 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A37437B422 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:02:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA15282; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:01:10 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr09.primenet.com(206.165.6.209) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAJfaWYD; Mon Sep 11 16:01:01 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr09.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21551; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:02:16 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200009112302.QAA21551@usr09.primenet.com> Subject: Re: affordable wireless To: blk@skynet.be (Brad Knowles) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:02:08 +0000 (GMT) Cc: oberman@es.net (Kevin Oberman), khera@kciLink.com (Vivek Khera), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Brad Knowles" at Sep 05, 2000 08:16:11 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > We can agree that the 40 bit stuff is not worth the trouble. My 128 > > bit Lucent card says "128-bit RC-4 encryption". Last I heard, RC-4 was > > not considered a "safe" algorithm. > > Looking at my card, I see that you are absolutely right -- it is > 128-bit RC4. I am not personally aware of any security weaknesses in > this algorithm, but I agree that it is not widely used, and I believe > that is probably because it is not felt to be as secure as > Triple-DES, CAST-128, or IDEA. J. Daemen, R. Govaerts, J. Vandewalle, "Resynchronization weaknesses in synchronous stream ciphers," Advances in Cryptology, Proceedings Eurocrypt'93, LNCS 765, T. Helleseth, Ed., Springer-Verlag, 1994, pp. 159-169. 32. J. Goli'c, "Linear statistical weakness of alleged RC4 keystream generator," Advances in Cryptology, Proc. Eurocrypt'97, LNCS 1233, W. Fumy, Ed., SpringerVerlag, 1997, pp. 226--238. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Sep 11 23:39:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from caladan.tdx.co.uk (caladan.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CCA37B423 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 23:39:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tdx.co.uk (lorca-tx.tdx.co.uk [195.188.177.242]) by caladan.tdx.co.uk (8.10.1/8.10.1/Kp) with ESMTP id e8C6djC42433 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:39:45 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <39BDCFB1.E4095297@tdx.co.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:39:45 +0100 From: Karl Pielorz Organization: The Digital eXchange X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD mailing list search... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All, Does anyone know any better reference site for searching the FreeBSD mailing list archives? - The 'Order by Date' option seems to have gone from the FreeBSD site, and having the search return 100 entries in pseudo-random Date order isn't fun... Changing it to show 1,000 entries also fails to find any matches for the same searchstring :-( -Karl To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 1:33:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from apoq.skynet.be (apoq.skynet.be [195.238.2.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7346F37B423 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 01:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [195.238.1.121] (brad.techos.skynet.be [195.238.1.121]) by apoq.skynet.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE239A7B; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:33:24 +0200 (MET DST) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: blk@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009112302.QAA21551@usr09.primenet.com> References: <200009112302.QAA21551@usr09.primenet.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:25:20 +0200 To: Terry Lambert From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: affordable wireless Cc: oberman@es.net (Kevin Oberman), khera@kciLink.com (Vivek Khera), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:02 PM +0000 2000/9/11, Terry Lambert wrote: > J. Daemen, R. Govaerts, J. Vandewalle, "Resynchronization weaknesses > in synchronous stream ciphers," Advances in Cryptology, Proceedings > Eurocrypt'93, LNCS 765, T. Helleseth, Ed., Springer-Verlag, 1994, > pp. 159-169. > > 32. J. Goli'c, "Linear statistical weakness of alleged RC4 keystream > generator," Advances in Cryptology, Proc. Eurocrypt'97, LNCS 1233, > W. Fumy, Ed., SpringerVerlag, 1997, pp. 226--238. Fascinating. Do you know of any online sources for these proceedings, or can you summarize their conclusions for us? -- These are my opinions -- not to be taken as official Skynet policy ====================================================================== Brad Knowles, || Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Systems Architect, Mail/News/FTP/Proxy Admin || Rue Colonel Bourg, 124 Phone/Fax: +32-2-706.13.11/12.49 || B-1140 Brussels http://www.skynet.be || Belgium "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 7:43:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pebkac.owp.csus.edu (pebkac.owp.csus.edu [130.86.232.245]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733BB37B424 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from owp.csus.edu ([130.86.77.19]) by pebkac.owp.csus.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA64129; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:43:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) Message-ID: <39BE3FE9.80E379BA@owp.csus.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:38:33 -0700 From: Joseph Scott X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Pielorz Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mailing list search... References: <39BDCFB1.E4095297@tdx.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Karl Pielorz wrote: > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know any better reference site for searching the FreeBSD mailing > list archives? - The 'Order by Date' option seems to have gone from the > FreeBSD site, and having the search return 100 entries in pseudo-random Date > order isn't fun... > > Changing it to show 1,000 entries also fails to find any matches for the same > searchstring :-( I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org. For better or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search there. -- Joseph Scott joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu The Office Of Water Programs - CSU Sacramento To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 7:53:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from lunatic.oneinsane.net (lunatic.oneinsane.net [207.113.133.231]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0845C37B424 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lunatic.oneinsane.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7879715513; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 07:53:38 -0700 From: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mailing list search... Message-ID: <20000912075338.A16400@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Reply-To: Ron Rosson Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org References: <39BDCFB1.E4095297@tdx.co.uk> <39BE3FE9.80E379BA@owp.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39BE3FE9.80E379BA@owp.csus.edu>; from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 07:38:33AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD lunatic.oneinsane.net 4.0-STABLE X-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (99% of Full) X-Opinion: What you read here is my IMHO X-WWW: http://www.oneinsane.net X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 3F11 DB43 F080 C037 96F0 F8D3 5BD2 652B 171C 86DB X-Uptime: 7:51AM up 41 days, 15:30, 2 users, load averages: 1.13, 1.09, 1.02 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Joseph Scott (joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu) wrote: > Karl Pielorz wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone know any better reference site for searching the FreeBSD mailing > > list archives? - The 'Order by Date' option seems to have gone from the > > FreeBSD site, and having the search return 100 entries in pseudo-random Date > > order isn't fun... > > > > Changing it to show 1,000 entries also fails to find any matches for the same > > searchstring :-( > > I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org. For better > or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search > there. > I wonder if anyone can let us know what happened to that function.. I miss it too. I would love too see it come back. I hope someone that has the know can pipe in an guide us ;-) TIA -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ron Rosson ... and a UNIX user said ... The InSaNe One rm -rf * insane@oneinsane.net and all was /dev/null and *void() ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ A hard-on does not count as personal growth To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 10:39:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202FC37B423 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 05C1E3286; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:02:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED173285; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:02:58 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:02:58 +0000 (GMT) From: Rick Hamell To: Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mailing list search... In-Reply-To: <20000912075338.A16400@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org. For better > > or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search > > there. > > I wonder if anyone can let us know what happened to that function.. I > miss it too. I would love too see it come back. I hope someone that has > the know can pipe in an guide us ;-) If I remeber right it was mentioned that the date function was broken and it was to much trouble to replace... For the record if you all add 2000 into the search it'll bring up just stuff that's happened this year. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 11:48:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B46037B422 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:48:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13YtcR-0003W6-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:13:15 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA14633; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:13:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:13:15 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: "Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson" Cc: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mailing list search... Message-ID: <20000912181315.W77593@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <39BDCFB1.E4095297@tdx.co.uk> <39BE3FE9.80E379BA@owp.csus.edu> <20000912075338.A16400@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000912075338.A16400@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ron 'The InSaNe One' Rosson wrote: > I wonder if anyone can let us know what happened to that function.. I > miss it too. I would love too see it come back. I hope someone that has > the know can pipe in an guide us ;-) CVS logs are there for a reason... ----------------- revision 1.48 date: 2000/04/05 10:32:03; author: wosch; state: Exp; lines: +3 -3 Disable sort by date in mailing list search due a bug in the wais index. ----------------- Maybe it will be fixed one day... -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 12:59:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wally.eecs.harvard.edu (wally.eecs.harvard.edu [140.247.60.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A61437B422; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 12:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (stein@localhost) by wally.eecs.harvard.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8CJxCm16550; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 15:59:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Stein X-Sender: stein@wally To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: looking for roommate for BSDCon 2000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I will be attending BSDCon 2000 and am looking for someone to share a room at the Hyatt with. I am a 27-year old male grad student. My estimated stay period is 10/16 - 10/20. If you are also looking for a roommate please get in touch. -Chris To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 14:32:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from brass.ftech.net (mrtg.ftech.net [195.200.0.119]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11FA37B423 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from logger5.ftech.net ([195.200.0.64] helo=relay1.ftech.net) by brass.ftech.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16-ftechp6 #1) id 13Yxf9-0004IF-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:32:19 +0100 Received: from dmg.ftech.co.uk ([195.200.9.208] helo=dmg.parse.net) by relay1.ftech.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16-ftechp6 #1) id 13Yxf8-0004SI-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:32:19 +0100 Received: from elf (elf.putney.parse.net [10.0.0.10]) by dmg.parse.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA58571; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:31:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from goddard@acm.org) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000912223155.007e8e60@dmg.parse.net> X-Sender: dmg@dmg.parse.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:31:55 +0100 To: Joseph Scott From: David Goddard Subject: Re: FreeBSD mailing list search... Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <39BE3FE9.80E379BA@owp.csus.edu> References: <39BDCFB1.E4095297@tdx.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:38 12/09/00 -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: > I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org. For better >or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search >there. I know what you mean - apart from not supporting proper boolean searching (someone correct me if I'm wrong!), I just don't have confidence that the FreeBSD search is returning what I want. For example, from looking at the web pages, I have no idea how it handles the non-word characters (such as / - % ! etc.) that you might want to include in your search terms. Does it match them. I'm also pretty sure that proper regexps don't work, with only a wildcard at the end permitted. Likewise, there's no indication as to whether you can escape characters like * . It makes the search facility offered by the company I work for seem not so bad, which is saying something :-) Sadly, the GeoCrawler search facility appears to suffer from the same lack of transparency. I tend to use my web search engine of choice (Google ahead of the (amazingly still available) plaintext AltaVista) and hope that they have indexed enough. A glance at http://searchenginewatch.com/resources/software.html suggests that decent, free, stuff is available - is the search facility actively maintained? Dave To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 12 18:40:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A280037B422 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA08354 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:39:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:51:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Tripwire vs. Mtree Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It looks to me like mtree can do anything tripwire can do. Am I missing something? Why use tripwire when we can use mtree? If mtree is good security stuff, shouldn't FreeBSD flaunt it as a security measure? Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 2:33: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288FE37B422 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 02:32:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8D8nKV11144; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:49:20 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 09:49:19 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Joseph Scott Cc: Karl Pielorz , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mailing list search... Message-ID: <20000913094919.A11128@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <39BDCFB1.E4095297@tdx.co.uk> <39BE3FE9.80E379BA@owp.csus.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <39BE3FE9.80E379BA@owp.csus.edu>; from joseph.scott@owp.csus.edu on Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 07:38:33AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chaps, On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 07:38:33AM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: > I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org. For better > or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search > there. Can you take this to -doc? I haven't got the time to deal with it now, but someone there might. Thanks, N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 10:52:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A3737B43E; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA09891; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:05:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah Reply-To: "Jason C. Wells" To: Nik Clayton Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD mailing list search... In-Reply-To: <20000913094919.A11128@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 07:38:33AM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: > > I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org. For better > > or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search > > there. > > Can you take this to -doc? I haven't got the time to deal with it now, > but someone there might. I posted a request on -doc asking if anyone was interested in changing the search and that I would volunteer to do the work. I haven't heard anything. Thank you, Jason C. Wells P.S I crossoposted just this once as it seemed appropriate in this case. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 11:26: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA9437B422; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.88.135]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000913182550.SSNT16423.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:25:50 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8DIPla00896; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:25:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:25:46 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Nik Clayton , chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD mailing list search... Message-ID: <20000913192546.C264@parish> References: <20000913094919.A11128@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jcwells@nwlink.com on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:05:18AM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:05:18AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 07:38:33AM -0700, Joseph Scott wrote: > > > I've pretty much given up on the search at freebsd.org. For better > > > or for worse I usually just go to www.deja.com/usenet and do a search > > > there. > > > > Can you take this to -doc? I haven't got the time to deal with it now, > > but someone there might. > > I posted a request on -doc asking if anyone was interested in changing the > search and that I would volunteer to do the work. I haven't heard > anything. > Something certainly ought to be done. The existing search engine seems to be seriously screwed up in places. Aside from the 'sort by date' option being removed it displays a different date in the list of matches to the date in the actual message (messages regarding 3.x seemingly posted in 1996 :-/ ). One other thing about the 'sort by date' option was that it, as it's name suggests, only sorted the results by date, there was/is no way of constraining the search criteria by date (e.g. search for SCSI, but only in posts made in 1999 and 2000). If you are prepared to do the work I am sure a lot of people will be very grateful, including me. > Thank you, > Jason C. Wells > > P.S I crossoposted just this once as it seemed appropriate in this case. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 11:41:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23137B423; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.253.88.135]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000913184108.SVPJ16423.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:41:08 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8DIf5l01036; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:41:05 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:40:54 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Question about voting Message-ID: <20000913194054.E264@parish> Reply-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> <62550.968809979@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <200009130541.e8D5fHG91697@netplex.com.au> <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> <200009131641.KAA88617@harmony.village.org> <20000913191538.B264@parish> <200009131822.e8DIM6e28777@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200009131822.e8DIM6e28777@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:22:06AM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to -chat] On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:22:06AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Mark Ovens wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:41:03AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > > The reason that I changed it from 1 week to 4 weeks was at the request > > > of many Europeans. They are lucky enough to get 3-4 week vacations > > > which they tend to take off all at once. > > > > So how many weeks do you get in the States? > > Some 'Merikan companies lump vacation and sick leave time together. > Here at Cisco it's called "Paid Time Off" (PTO). We get four weeks of > PTO total...if you're healthy, you can treat it all like vacation time. Jeez, you're joking. The company I work for has what is regarded as low holiday entitlements but I still get 22 days + 8 statutory (Easter, Xmas, New Year and Bank Holidays) and 6 weeks paid sick leave. If you are in a company pension scheme that (sick leave) usually rises to 6 months on full pay followed by 6 months on half pay. No wonder that when we set up a subsidiary in the US the people who moved out there wanted UK style employment terms (holiday/sick pay and company cars). > At Sandia we only got three weeks of vacation time, but we also had a > nice flex-time/comp-time arrangement. > > Bruce. > > > -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 11:55:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 824B237B423; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8DItrM56191; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:55:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200009131855.e8DItrM56191@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: marko@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" Subject: Re: Question about voting In-Reply-To: <20000913194054.E264@parish> References: <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> <62550.968809979@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <200009130541.e8D5fHG91697@netplex.com.au> <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> <200009131641.KAA88617@harmony.village.org> <20000913191538.B264@parish> <200009131822.e8DIM6e28777@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20000913194054.E264@parish> Comments: In-reply-to Mark Ovens message dated "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:40:54 +0100." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1694213988P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:55:53 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1694213988P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If memory serves me right, Mark Ovens wrote: > [moved to -chat] Yeah. Thought it was already moved. > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:22:06AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > If memory serves me right, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:41:03AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > The reason that I changed it from 1 week to 4 weeks was at the request > > > > of many Europeans. They are lucky enough to get 3-4 week vacations > > > > which they tend to take off all at once. > > > > > > So how many weeks do you get in the States? > > > > Some 'Merikan companies lump vacation and sick leave time together. > > Here at Cisco it's called "Paid Time Off" (PTO). We get four weeks of > > PTO total...if you're healthy, you can treat it all like vacation time. > > Jeez, you're joking. The company I work for has what is regarded as > low holiday entitlements but I still get 22 days + 8 statutory > (Easter, Xmas, New Year and Bank Holidays) and 6 weeks paid sick > leave. If you are in a company pension scheme that (sick leave) > usually rises to 6 months on full pay followed by 6 months on half > pay. I neglected to mention paid holidays, I forget how many of them there are. > No wonder that when we set up a subsidiary in the US the people who > moved out there wanted UK style employment terms (holiday/sick pay and > company cars). Company cars?!? Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1694213988P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: i/QgnlY3OPwfkts2HEKgaHUorehwxH2T iQA/AwUBOb/NudjKMXFboFLDEQISBgCdHuElI+oP++ZpqTQcWSHIIre1QcsAn1FL FvBuR2N+1RPT/7z8t4GoArh+ =XnA3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1694213988P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 12: 8:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F7737B422 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13ZHtA-000Igc-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:08:08 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA98892 for chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:08:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:08:07 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: netcraft 'serve-ey' Message-ID: <20000913200807.E97742@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anyone know if the netcraft survey is accurate? I recently read a comment that alleged it was not, and that (surprise) NT and Solaris were the dominant server OSs. jcm -- "I drank WHAT ?!" - Socrates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 12:23: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9259037B423; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.255.97.102]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000913192254.TDUM16423.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:22:54 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8DJMNO01261; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:22:23 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:22:23 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Holidays and other perks of the job [Was: Question about voting] Message-ID: <20000913202222.F264@parish> References: <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> <62550.968809979@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <200009130541.e8D5fHG91697@netplex.com.au> <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> <200009131641.KAA88617@harmony.village.org> <20000913191538.B264@parish> <200009131822.e8DIM6e28777@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20000913194054.E264@parish> <200009131855.e8DItrM56191@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200009131855.e8DItrM56191@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:55:53AM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:55:53AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Mark Ovens wrote: > > [moved to -chat] > > Yeah. Thought it was already moved. > > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:22:06AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > > If memory serves me right, Mark Ovens wrote: > > > > On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:41:03AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > The reason that I changed it from 1 week to 4 weeks was at the request > > > > > of many Europeans. They are lucky enough to get 3-4 week vacations > > > > > which they tend to take off all at once. > > > > > > > > So how many weeks do you get in the States? > > > > > > Some 'Merikan companies lump vacation and sick leave time together. > > > Here at Cisco it's called "Paid Time Off" (PTO). We get four weeks of > > > PTO total...if you're healthy, you can treat it all like vacation time. > > > > Jeez, you're joking. The company I work for has what is regarded as > > low holiday entitlements but I still get 22 days + 8 statutory > > (Easter, Xmas, New Year and Bank Holidays) and 6 weeks paid sick > > leave. If you are in a company pension scheme that (sick leave) > > usually rises to 6 months on full pay followed by 6 months on half > > pay. > > I neglected to mention paid holidays, I forget how many of them there > are. > What's the difference between "paid holidays" and PTO? Do you mean "public holidays" like Labour Day, Thanksgiving etc? > > No wonder that when we set up a subsidiary in the US the people who > > moved out there wanted UK style employment terms (holiday/sick pay and > > company cars). > > Company cars?!? > Oh yeah, it's something that is pretty much unique to the UK. Even (relatively) lowly positions on the company ladder get a car as part of their remuneration package. It all started in the early-mid '70's when Ted Heath's govt. implemented strict wage controls (to try and control inflation) and companies were severely penalized (I forget exactly how) if they gave pay rises above the stated maximum. this meant that employers couldn't give large pay rises to encourage staff to stay, or offer bigger pay rates to attract better staff. A loophole was discovered in that these limits only applied to pay (cash) and not other benefits so very quickly companies started offering company cars in lieu of (bigger) pay rises (previously only people whose jobs involved lots of travelling, i.e. salesmen, and the MD got company cars) and, as so often happens, it just snowballed with lower and lower "ranks" getting company cars (some companies, even today, also pay for fuel used for private mileage). Today though things are going the other way. Since well over half the new cars sold in the UK are company cars the govt. has realized it is a "cash cow" and tax them to the hilt (you pay a lot more income tax) so only people who do a serious number of business miles a year actually benefit. Many companies "buy back" the cars from employees in return for higher (a few thousand £'s higher) salaries (often giving them the equivalent of one years pay rise as a lump sum to enable them to buy their own car) > Bruce. > > > -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 12:26:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F099737B423 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish.my.domain ([62.255.97.102]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000913192644.TEKE16423.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish.my.domain>; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:26:44 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8DJQgb01344; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:26:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:26:42 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: j mckitrick Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netcraft 'serve-ey' Message-ID: <20000913202642.G264@parish> References: <20000913200807.E97742@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000913200807.E97742@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:08:07PM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:08:07PM +0100, j mckitrick wrote: > > Does anyone know if the netcraft survey is accurate? I recently read > a comment that alleged it was not, and that (surprise) NT and > Solaris were the dominant server OSs. > See http://www.netcraft.com/os/accuracy.html for an explanation. One reason is that what Netcraft's probes see is the firewall in front of the web server, or a load balancer. > jcm > -- > "I drank WHAT ?!" - Socrates > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 12:31: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F5937B43C; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8DJUx656915; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:30:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200009131930.e8DJUx656915@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Mark Ovens Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Holidays and other perks of the job [Was: Question about voting] In-Reply-To: <20000913202222.F264@parish> References: <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> <62550.968809979@winston.osd.bsdi.com> <200009130541.e8D5fHG91697@netplex.com.au> <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> <200009131641.KAA88617@harmony.village.org> <20000913191538.B264@parish> <200009131822.e8DIM6e28777@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20000913194054.E264@parish> <200009131855.e8DItrM56191@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20000913202222.F264@parish> Comments: In-reply-to Mark Ovens message dated "Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:22:23 +0100." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1496085612P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:30:59 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1496085612P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If memory serves me right, Mark Ovens wrote: > What's the difference between "paid holidays" and PTO? Do you mean > "public holidays" like Labour Day, Thanksgiving etc? Yeah. It's things like Independence Day, Memorial Day, Christmas, etc. I'd post the complete list but for some reason, our payroll calendar is marked "Confidential". :-p > > > No wonder that when we set up a subsidiary in the US the people who > > > moved out there wanted UK style employment terms (holiday/sick pay and > > > company cars). > > > > Company cars?!? > > > > Oh yeah, it's something that is pretty much unique to the UK. Even > (relatively) lowly positions on the company ladder get a car as part > of their remuneration package. Hmmm. That's pretty interesting. You can do that if you work for a car company here (a friend of mine works for a department of BMW, nice!). But other than that, such arrangements are pretty unusual. Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1496085612P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: 9Rq1Puc+zCaus9zpeY8+2CzUW1xdaUUX iQA/AwUBOb/V89jKMXFboFLDEQI6QgCgj5LCM6DGm0RyEdfVQM3y4kYSPPsAn2GP VMRqfwQLmBRiCoG4Wmd/0GhY =YJ0+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1496085612P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 13:23:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B31D37B423; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13ZJ3r-000L23-00; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:23:15 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA99954; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:23:15 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:23:15 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Mark Ovens Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netcraft 'serve-ey' Message-ID: <20000913212314.F97742@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000913200807.E97742@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000913202642.G264@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000913202642.G264@parish>; from marko@freebsd.org on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:26:42PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:26:42PM +0100, Mark Ovens wrote: | On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:08:07PM +0100, j mckitrick wrote: | > | > Does anyone know if the netcraft survey is accurate? I recently read | > a comment that alleged it was not, and that (surprise) NT and | > Solaris were the dominant server OSs. | > | | See http://www.netcraft.com/os/accuracy.html for an explanation. One | reason is that what Netcraft's probes see is the firewall in front of | the web server, or a load balancer. So can we lend any credence to the claims of any of the manufacturers of servers that they are dominant in the field? BTW: the source was entmag.com, i forget the article name, but it was easy to find. jcm -- "I drank WHAT ?!" - Socrates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 15:52:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from puma.sirinet.net (puma.sirinet.net [198.203.196.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8150A37B422 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from windeath (windeath.sirinet.net [207.3.88.26]) by puma.sirinet.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8DMqSB02610 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:52:28 -0500 Message-ID: <00f501c01de6$47258a20$1a5803cf@windeath> From: "windeath" To: Subject: Web address of BSD Magazine? 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------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C01DAB.9A0E1080-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 16:35:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667BF37B424 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.15 #3) id 13ZM26-000Jyy-00; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:33:38 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 23:33:37 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: j mckitrick Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netcraft 'serve-ey' Message-ID: <20000913233337.S6767@hand.dotat.at> References: <20000913200807.E97742@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000913200807.E97742@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org j mckitrick wrote: > >Does anyone know if the netcraft survey is accurate? I recently read >a comment that alleged it was not, and that (surprise) NT and Solaris >were the dominant server OSs. It is accurate in terms of what it measures, but what it measures is not necessarily what people think it measures. I.e. it counts virtual hosts and it's trivial to put thousands of virtual hosts on a shitty 486. Netcraft have other surveys which you must pay for which include numbers that are more difficult to obtain, like the number of physical machines with a given web server or OS, but even then its hard to tell the difference between an E10000 and a Sparc 1. Tony. -- en oeccget g mtcaa f.a.n.finch v spdlkishrhtewe y dot@dotat.at eatp o v eiti i d. fanf@covalent.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 20: 2:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5502E37B423 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13ZPHs-0006MJ-00; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:02:08 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA03400; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:02:08 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:02:07 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu, chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unrelated: mountpoints and backup strategies Message-ID: <20000914040207.A3311@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000911145420.B69890@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000911231140.F69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000911231140.F69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com>; from cjclark@reflexnet.net on Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 11:11:40PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org | # dump -ua0f /zip/root.0.dmp / I read the manpage, and this looks great, esp the incremental update feature. However, when I tried it myself after mounting the zip drive to /mnt, I got this: DUMP: bad sblock magic number and then it aborted. The man page gave no clues. jcm -- "I drank WHAT ?!" - Socrates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 13 22:27:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C788537B423 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:26:39 -0700 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8E5Rh483777; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:27:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:27:43 -0700 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: j mckitrick Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unrelated: mountpoints and backup strategies Message-ID: <20000913222743.O69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20000911145420.B69890@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000911231140.F69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <20000914040207.A3311@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000914040207.A3311@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org>; from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org on Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:02:07AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:02:07AM +0100, j mckitrick wrote: > | # dump -ua0f /zip/root.0.dmp / > > I read the manpage, and this looks great, esp the incremental update > feature. However, when I tried it myself after mounting the zip drive to > /mnt, I got this: > DUMP: bad sblock magic number > > and then it aborted. The man page gave no clues. Was the filesystem argument, _really_ a filesystem? Bet you tried to start the dump at a directory. By the way, I don't think I have my jazdump scripts. I couldn't find them. Just automatically handled the mount, dumps, and checked fdisk and disklabel for changes. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 4:56:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADEB137B422 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:56:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13ZXdA-000Csr-00; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:56:40 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07916; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:56:39 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:56:39 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unrelated: mountpoints and backup strategies Message-ID: <20000914125639.A7819@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000911145420.B69890@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000911231140.F69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <20000914040207.A3311@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000913222743.O69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000913222743.O69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com>; from cjclark@reflexnet.net on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:27:43PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:27:43PM -0700, Crist J . Clark wrote: | On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 04:02:07AM +0100, j mckitrick wrote: | > | # dump -ua0f /zip/root.0.dmp / | > | > I read the manpage, and this looks great, esp the incremental update | > feature. However, when I tried it myself after mounting the zip drive to | > /mnt, I got this: | > DUMP: bad sblock magic number | > | > and then it aborted. The man page gave no clues. | | Was the filesystem argument, _really_ a filesystem? Bet you tried to | start the dump at a directory. Ah, I finally discovered that caveat. Too bad, the incremental backup concept had me intrigued. Oh, well. I went back to tar and it did surprisingly well. I'll stick with that. Now I'll just have an excuse for learning shell scripting and perl to make the incremental function work. jcm -- "I drank WHAT ?!" - Socrates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 5:43:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C31737B423 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA32714; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:42:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: j mckitrick Cc: cjclark@alum.mit.edu, chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: unrelated: mountpoints and backup strategies References: <20000911145420.B69890@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000911231140.F69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <20000914040207.A3311@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000913222743.O69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <20000914125639.A7819@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 14 Sep 2000 14:42:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: j mckitrick's message of "Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:56:39 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org j mckitrick writes: > Ah, I finally discovered that caveat. Too bad, the incremental backup > concept had me intrigued. Oh, well. I went back to tar and it did > surprisingly well. I'll stick with that. Now I'll just have an excuse for > learning shell scripting and perl to make the incremental function work. Alternatively, you could RTFM (in this case, 'man tar'). DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 5:49:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from bne005m.server-mail.com (bne005m.server-mail.com [202.139.234.85]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49E8137B422 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:49:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 11000 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2000 12:49:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warhawk) (203.147.165.43) by bne005m.server-mail.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2000 12:49:30 -0000 From: "Haikal Saadh" To: Subject: Who's going to the olympics? Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 22:53:11 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm catching the soccer game sunday night at the gabba in Brisbane, and if you see some guy in a freebsd tshirt in the cheap seats, come on over and say hi! 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 6:26: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from Astrovan.cstone.net (astrovan.cstone.net [209.145.64.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E8737B423 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cstone.net ([209.145.93.143]) by Astrovan.cstone.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59789U13500L1350S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:17:42 -0400 Message-ID: <39C0D1FB.87009D84@cstone.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:26:19 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Daemon wear Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.stileproject.com/pic/?page=pic.html&pic=/rnd/img/nasty11.jpg&back=/&n=wed Just a warning - while the actual picture of the supermodel and the FreeBSD daemon is not dirty, this site is dirty, featuring porn banners on this page and worse elsewhere. You Have Been Warned. SeanMike -- SeanMike Whipkey - Damnit. Where's my witty repartee? "Ow! Ow! Ow! I had to go after mutants, didn't I? I couldn't just attack Napster, nooooo. I had to attack freaks that know kung fu." - http://ter.air0day.com/xmen.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 6:56:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 120F537B423 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:56:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13ZZUr-000FPc-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:56:13 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA08871 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:56:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:56:12 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: unrelated: mountpoints and backup strategies Message-ID: <20000914145612.C8680@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 02:42:23PM +0200, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: | j mckitrick writes: | > Ah, I finally discovered that caveat. Too bad, the incremental backup | > concept had me intrigued. Oh, well. I went back to tar and it did | > surprisingly well. I'll stick with that. Now I'll just have an excuse for | > learning shell scripting and perl to make the incremental function work. | | Alternatively, you could RTFM (in this case, 'man tar'). Funny you should say that. I am having a weird week, and i'm overlooking the details i normally wouldn't. I even have a coffee mug with 'RTFM' on it. Maybe i should drink it right handed so *I* see the message. :) jcm -- "I drank WHAT ?!" - Socrates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 8: 9:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from moo.sysabend.org (moo.sysabend.org [209.0.55.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C3E37B424 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:09:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix, from userid 1004) id E386A755D; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moo.sysabend.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10001D8E; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jamie Bowden To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon wear In-Reply-To: <39C0D1FB.87009D84@cstone.net> Message-ID: Approved: yep X-representing: Only myself. X-badge: We don't need no stinking badges. X-obligatory-profanity: Fuck X-moo: Moo. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: :http://www.stileproject.com/pic/?page=pic.html&pic=/rnd/img/nasty11.jpg&back=/&n=wed : :Just a warning - while the actual picture of the supermodel and the :FreeBSD daemon is not dirty, this site is dirty, featuring porn banners :on this page and worse elsewhere. You Have Been Warned. http://www.stileproject.com/rnd/img/nasty11.jpg That's a direct link to the image without any of the accompanying banners. Jamie Bowden -- "It was half way to Rivendell when the drugs began to take hold" Hunter S Tolkien "Fear and Loathing in Barad Dur" Iain Bowen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 8:15:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2844437B43C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:15:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13Zajm-0006vG-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:15:43 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09809 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:15:42 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09510 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:46:55 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: from [129.240.78.31] (helo=flood.ping.uio.no ident=root) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13ZaHv-0005gX-00 for jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:46:55 +0100 Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA33322; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:45:39 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: j mckitrick Subject: Re: unrelated: mountpoints and backup strategies References: <20000911145420.B69890@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000911231140.F69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <20000914040207.A3311@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000913222743.O69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> <20000914125639.A7819@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000914145505.B8680@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 14 Sep 2000 16:45:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: j mckitrick's message of "Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:55:06 +0100" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org j mckitrick writes: > Funny you should say that. I am having a weird week, and i'm overlooking > the details i normally wouldn't. I even have a coffee mug with 'RTFM' on > it. Maybe i should drink it right handed so *I* see the message. :) > > > jcm > -- > "I drank WHAT ?!" - Socrates In the context of this mail, your sig suddenly became supremely funny :) DES (two lumps of sugar, no hemlock) -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 8:29:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64E5D37B42C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 08:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #4) id 13ZaxP-0007Sn-00; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:29:47 +0100 Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09903; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:29:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from jcm) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:29:47 +0100 From: j mckitrick To: Tony Finch Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: netcraft 'serve-ey' Message-ID: <20000914162946.B9335@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <20000913200807.E97742@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000913233337.S6767@hand.dotat.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000913233337.S6767@hand.dotat.at>; from dot@dotat.at on Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:33:37PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 11:33:37PM +0000, Tony Finch wrote: | j mckitrick wrote: | > | >Does anyone know if the netcraft survey is accurate? I recently read | >a comment that alleged it was not, and that (surprise) NT and Solaris | >were the dominant server OSs. | | It is accurate in terms of what it measures, but what it measures is | not necessarily what people think it measures. I.e. it counts virtual | hosts and it's trivial to put thousands of virtual hosts on a shitty | 486. Netcraft have other surveys which you must pay for which include | numbers that are more difficult to obtain, like the number of physical | machines with a given web server or OS, but even then its hard to tell | the difference between an E10000 and a Sparc 1. So who can we believe when Netcraft says Unix/Apache dominates, while entmag.com claims NT is the winner? I'm beginning to think they are all lying, and all those fortune 500 companies are running boa as their webservers. :) What does the left half of this sig mean? | en oeccget g mtcaa f.a.n.finch | v spdlkishrhtewe y dot@dotat.at | eatp o v eiti i d. fanf@covalent.net jcm -- "I drank WHAT ?!" - Socrates To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 10:20:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3165B37B43E; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA66008; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Sean Michael Whipkey Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Daemon wear In-Reply-To: <39C0D1FB.87009D84@cstone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Sean Michael Whipkey wrote: > http://www.stileproject.com/pic/?page=pic.html&pic=/rnd/img/nasty11.jpg&back=/&n=wed > > Just a warning - while the actual picture of the supermodel and the > FreeBSD daemon is not dirty, this site is dirty, featuring porn banners > on this page and worse elsewhere. You Have Been Warned. It's amazing what you can "airbrush" onto unrelated images with gimp thesedays :-) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 11:12:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from beast.daemontech.com (beast.daemontech.com [208.138.46.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F055837B424 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 58094 invoked by uid 200); 14 Sep 2000 18:12:53 -0000 Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (208.138.46.10) by beast.daemontech.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2000 18:12:53 -0000 Content-Length: 1542 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:12:53 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Daemon Technologies From: Nicole Harrington To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, announce@babug.org Subject: BAFUG / BABUG (( HeadCount Request )) Meeting This Thursday In FosterCity Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings Requesting a sound off from those who will be attending tonights meeting so we can plan pizza and such. Also a small vote so I know how to order things: Please number in your order of preference. *) NetBoot setup and installation run-though *) Basic FreeBSD setup and installation *) Laying out your file systems and program installations Thanks Nicole -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our next meeting will be held: at IBM/Whistle on Thursday, Sept 14th. at 7:30pm. Our Topic: Installing FreeBSD By Nicole Harrington & FreeBSD NetBoot Install by Alfred Perlstein. This will be a walk thru demonstration on a live machine overviewing the install choices, file system layouts for different types of machines, swap size needs, code base and package installs choices and reasoning. ( I will also present my list of Nicole'isms or how "I" like machines setup and solcit alternatives. ) Alfred will be performing a walk thru demonstration of his new NetBoot install program that makes installing FreeBSD almost too easy. This should be a great time for someone new to FreeBSD to attend, and for those old hats to come and share your views. Express your reasons for how you perform your installs and more! An FTP mirror will be available for those who wish to bring a machine along if you are having trouble. Please see our website for more information: http://www.babug.org/ --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 12: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCE537B424 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8EJ02x28896 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:00:02 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: ports suid is cool! Message-ID: <20000914120001.Q12231@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org gotta love this! ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Compressing manual pages for screen-3.9.8 ===> Registering installation for screen-3.9.8 ===> SECURITY NOTE: This port has installed the following binaries which execute with increased privileges. 1714549 464 -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 225276 Sep 14 05:43 /usr/local/bin/screen-3.9.8 If there are vulnerabilities in these programs there may be a security risk to the system. FreeBSD makes no guarantee about the security of ports included in the Ports Collection. Please type 'make deinstall' to deinstall the port if this is a concern. -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 13:43:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (blount.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.226]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6015037B43E for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hbg-98-d1175.corp.earthlink.net (fw-6-e3.atl2.mindspring.net [207.69.162.124]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12771 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:43:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000914164243.00adf5e0@pop> X-Sender: danielz@pop X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:43:08 -0400 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org From: "Daniel J. Zaccariello" Subject: New Desktop :) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.turtle.w1.net/index.shtml To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Sep 14 16: 4:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B53C37B43C for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:03:33 -0700 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8EN4Wc89829 for chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:04:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:04:32 -0700 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: SunSmarts Not So Smart? Message-ID: <20000914160432.B89765@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Suns seems to be having a little trouble configuring their own webserver, http://www.sunsmarts.com/index.html I sent in a mail with the problem so it might get fixed soon. It cracked me up when I ran into it though... tempted to "whisker" it now. ;) -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 5: 3: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (mta03-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6889337B42C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 05:02:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.255.96.110]) by mta03-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000915120253.EMQA13676.mta03-svc.ntlworld.com@parish> for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:02:53 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8FC2LS01143 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:02:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:02:20 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: perl(1) variable declarations Message-ID: <20000915130220.C257@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What is the difference (if any) between using ``use vars'' and ``my'' to declare global variables? Reading perlmodlib(1) and the book Learning Perl they appear interchangeable, but are they? Is use vars qw/ $foo $bar /; the same as my $foo; my $bar; when used for global variables? -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 9: 9: 1 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E263E37B43C; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk ([192.168.91.36] ident=root) by scientia.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13ZxVi-0008SY-00; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:34:42 +0100 Received: (from ben@localhost) by strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA57898; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:34:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from ben) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:34:41 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Mark Ovens Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: perl(1) variable declarations Message-ID: <20000915163441.A56185@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <20000915130220.C257@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000915130220.C257@parish> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens wrote: > Is > > use vars qw/ $foo $bar /; > > the same as > > my $foo; > my $bar; > > when used for global variables? I think "my" variables won't work if you want to set them from another file, but I don't remember exactly. e.g. ==== main ==== my ($foo, $bar); require "globals.pl"; print "foo=$foo bar=$bar\n"; ============== ==== globals.pl ==== $foo = 1; $bar = "sheep"; ==================== I don't think this will work, but I think it will if you use "use vars" instead. That's the only difference I recall coming across, so I always use "my" except in cases like the above. -- Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 9:15:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D625F37B422; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 09:15:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.88.147]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000915171412.FELW23965.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:14:12 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8FGFAQ00492; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:15:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 17:15:09 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Ben Smithurst Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: perl(1) variable declarations Message-ID: <20000915171509.A258@parish> References: <20000915130220.C257@parish> <20000915163441.A56185@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000915163441.A56185@strontium.scientia.demon.co.uk>; from ben@FreeBSD.org on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 04:34:41PM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 04:34:41PM +0100, Ben Smithurst wrote: > Mark Ovens wrote: > > > Is > > > > use vars qw/ $foo $bar /; > > > > the same as > > > > my $foo; > > my $bar; > > > > when used for global variables? > > I think "my" variables won't work if you want to set them from another > file, but I don't remember exactly. e.g. I should have added, "in a single file program". I did wonder if multiple files might be different, but it wasn't stated anywhere that I could find. Both ways appear to work identically in a single file. I think your answer makes sense. > > ==== main ==== > my ($foo, $bar); > require "globals.pl"; > print "foo=$foo bar=$bar\n"; > ============== > > ==== globals.pl ==== > $foo = 1; > $bar = "sheep"; > ==================== > > I don't think this will work, but I think it will if you use "use vars" > instead. That's the only difference I recall coming across, so I always > use "my" except in cases like the above. > > -- > Ben Smithurst / ben@FreeBSD.org / PGP: 0x99392F7D -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 10:27: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9DF37B43E for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.255.96.110]) by mta07-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000915122235.TMMP282.mta07-svc.ntlworld.com@parish> for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:22:35 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8FCMWd01340 for chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:22:32 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:22:31 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: M$ continues it's fine tradition.... Message-ID: <20000915132231.D257@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2000/36/ns-17906.html -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 10:48:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.184.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24C937B422 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8FHm2807625; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:48:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lowell) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Tripwire vs. Mtree References: <8pmlud$16jf$1@FreeBSD.csie.NCTU.edu.tw> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 15 Sep 2000 13:48:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: jcwells@nwlink.com's message of "13 Sep 2000 09:40:29 +0800" Message-ID: <44og1p5yy5.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org jcwells@nwlink.com ("Jason C. Wells") writes: > It looks to me like mtree can do anything tripwire can do. Am I missing > something? Why use tripwire when we can use mtree? Remember, there's a chicken-and-egg problem: if your system is compromised, you can't trust its mtree executable to detect the fact. Even if you have a "safe" copy of the executable, you can't trust the system's standard libraries, because those may have been compromised too. If you had a statically linked version of mtree on the floppy where you keep the checksums, mtree would be roughly as good as tripwire, although not as convenient, and certainly the tripwire option to build a standalone floppy would take a bit of work to emulate. - Lowell To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 10:55:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF7F37B422 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA03040; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 11:08:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: Lowell Gilbert Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tripwire vs. Mtree In-Reply-To: <44og1p5yy5.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 15 Sep 2000, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Remember, there's a chicken-and-egg problem: if your system is > compromised, you can't trust its mtree executable to detect the fact. > Even if you have a "safe" copy of the executable, you can't trust the > system's standard libraries, because those may have been compromised too. > > If you had a statically linked version of mtree on the floppy where you > keep the checksums, mtree would be roughly as good as tripwire, although > not as convenient, and certainly the tripwire option to build a standalone > floppy would take a bit of work to emulate. Having never directly used either ubt knowing what they do, I now see that there are "implementation" issues that have to be considered. Thank you for the input. I would have neglected to consider the trustworthiness of the system libraries. Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 12:59: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from c014.sfo.cp.net (c014-h003.c014.sfo.cp.net [209.228.12.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B6C2737B422 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (cpmta 24337 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2000 12:55:29 -0700 Received: from m12hRs4n205.midsouth.rr.com (HELO mike) (24.95.125.205) by smtp.valuedata.net (209.228.12.67) with SMTP; 15 Sep 2000 12:55:29 -0700 X-Sent: 15 Sep 2000 19:55:29 GMT Message-ID: <001f01c01f4e$8c2ddd20$0200000a@mike> From: "Daryl Chance" To: , , Subject: Memphis, TN Users Group. Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:52:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, How many people on this list are in Memphis or the surrounding area? I'm asking to see if there would be any interest in starting up a BSD(net, free, open...etc) Users Group. If theres enough response, I'll see what we can do about setting up a MUG :). Feel free to forward this email to other people/lists (sorry if i have the wrong netbsd and openbsd lists). BTW, if you could, respond privately as to not spam this lists. Thanks, -------------------------------------------------------- | Daryl Chance | I have made this letter longer then | | Valuedata, LLC | usual because I lacked the time to | | Memphis, TN | make it shorter. -- Blaise Pascal | -------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 13: 5:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (csmd2.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De [141.44.22.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5D1337B440; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (jesse@knecht [141.44.21.3]) by csmd2.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15035; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:05:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jesse@localhost) by knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id WAA24792; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:05:49 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: knecht.cs.uni-magdeburg.de: jesse set sender to jesse@cs.uni-magdeburg.de using -f To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: OS poll at linuxtoday.com From: Roland Jesse Date: 15 Sep 2000 22:05:49 +0200 Message-ID: <0vr96l1kv6.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Lines: 5 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0807 (Gnus v5.8.7) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As an answer to Microsoft's current OS poll (which does not include an option to vote for BSD) here is one by linuxtoday.com: . Roland To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 13:25:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4798037B43C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8FKPBo09258; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:25:10 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Roland Jesse Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com Message-ID: <20000915132510.K12231@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <0vr96l1kv6.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <0vr96l1kv6.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de>; from jesse@mail.CS.Uni-Magdeburg.De on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 10:05:49PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Roland Jesse [000915 13:08] wrote: > As an answer to Microsoft's current OS poll (which does not include an > option to vote for BSD) here is one by linuxtoday.com: > . Sinking far past MS's level, somehow I'm not suprised. :) -- -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 13:33:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EC237B424; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id NAA59611; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:33:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:33:13 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: Lowell Gilbert , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tripwire vs. Mtree Message-ID: <20000915133313.A58409@freefall.freebsd.org> References: <44og1p5yy5.fsf@lowellg.ne.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jcwells@nwlink.com on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 11:08:21AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 11:08:21AM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On 15 Sep 2000, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > > Remember, there's a chicken-and-egg problem: if your system is > > compromised, you can't trust its mtree executable to detect the fact. > > Even if you have a "safe" copy of the executable, you can't trust the > > system's standard libraries, because those may have been compromised too. > > > > If you had a statically linked version of mtree on the floppy where you > > keep the checksums, mtree would be roughly as good as tripwire, although > > not as convenient, and certainly the tripwire option to build a standalone > > floppy would take a bit of work to emulate. > > Having never directly used either ubt knowing what they do, I now see that > there are "implementation" issues that have to be considered. > > Thank you for the input. I would have neglected to consider the > trustworthiness of the system libraries. Well, thats not a fundamental problem - you can trivially link mtree statically. Basically, I think mtree can do everything tripwire can, but it's a raw tool, not a ready-to-use product and you will have to do a bit of scripting to use it like that. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 13:53:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.nwlink.com (smtp.nwlink.com [209.20.130.57]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3383F37B422 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from utah (jcwells@utah.nwlink.com [209.20.130.41]) by smtp.nwlink.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA09699 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 14:06:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jason C. Wells" X-Sender: jcwells@utah To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Tripwire vs. Mtree In-Reply-To: <20000915133313.A58409@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Well, thats not a fundamental problem - you can trivially link mtree > statically. Basically, I think mtree can do everything tripwire can, > but it's a raw tool, not a ready-to-use product and you will have to do > a bit of scripting to use it like that. I have never implemented any type of integrity checking. I know mtree runs on installworld but thats about it. I think I am going to give it a go with the native tool. I do recall the database format as being rather terse. Perhaps user issues will steer me toward tripwire. Thank you, Jason C. Wells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 16:14:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1743F37B43C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:13:40 -0700 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8FNEZ297435; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:14:30 -0700 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: "Jason C. Wells" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tripwire vs. Mtree Message-ID: <20000915161430.A97377@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20000915133313.A58409@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from jcwells@nwlink.com on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:06:03PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:06:03PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > Well, thats not a fundamental problem - you can trivially link mtree > > statically. Basically, I think mtree can do everything tripwire can, > > but it's a raw tool, not a ready-to-use product and you will have to do > > a bit of scripting to use it like that. > > I have never implemented any type of integrity checking. I know mtree > runs on installworld but thats about it. > > I think I am going to give it a go with the native tool. I do recall the > database format as being rather terse. Perhaps user issues will steer me > toward tripwire. From a quick review of the mtree(8) manpage and from experience with tripwire, I see just a few capabilities that tripwire has that mtree does not. mtree does not seem to have the capability to check inode number. mtree only can check modification time. There is no facility to check creation time or access time. But to be honest, I never realized mtree was as powerful as it is. The fact that the file specification info is quite human readable would make doing detailed modifications easy, and that can be awkward in the tripwire configuration file. However, scripting to build the basis of a specification file for mtree that will not be extremely labor intensive to tweek is a non-trivial job. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 18: 4:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B26537B43C for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8G145L09150; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:34:05 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 10:34:05 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Warner Losh , Will Andrews , FreeBSD Chat Subject: European vacations (was: Question about voting) Message-ID: <20000916103405.A71517@wantadilla.lemis.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000915200847.C4275@freebie.demon.nl>; from wkb@freebie.demon.nl on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 08:08:47PM +0200 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [following up to -chat] On Friday, 15 September 2000 at 20:08:47 +0200, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 11:42:52AM +0930, Greg Lehey wrote: >> On Wednesday, 13 September 2000 at 10:41:03 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: >>> In message <20000913074150.V11227@radon.gryphonsoft.com> Will Andrews writes: >>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 10:41:17PM -0700, Peter Wemm wrote: >>>>> Somehow, a month seems kinda long now. Last time I counted (a few months >>>>> back), we're going to have between 120-150 committers that meet the 12 >>>>> month activity check. >>>> >>>> Sure, a large number are going to vote the first two or three days. But >>>> some simply can't do it except at one or two points in time during a >>>> month's period. So there is still justification for doing it that way. >>> >>> The reason that I changed it from 1 week to 4 weeks was at the request >>> of many Europeans. They are lucky enough to get 3-4 week vacations >>> which they tend to take off all at once. >> >> FWIW, this isn't quite correct. A lot of Europeans get up to 8 weeks > > Well. 8 weeks is a bit overstating it. 25 or 26 days is normal here > in .nl Some people have an additional 12 or 13 days but these are > most of the time to be taken 1 day in each month. I was specifically referring to Germany. When I left Tandem in Frankfurt (admittedly 8 years ago), we were getting 37 days of vacation a year. Other people may not have been getting quite as much, but I don't know of anybody who was getting less than 30. This much vacation is really stupid. We just weren't able to take it all, and it expired at the end of March the following year. March tended to be a month with personnel coverage problems. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 18:35:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1DF37B424 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:35:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from parish ([62.253.84.91]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.27 201-229-119-110) with ESMTP id <20000916023414.HQYP23965.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@parish>; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:34:14 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8G1ZI201272; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:35:18 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:35:18 +0100 From: Mark Ovens To: Alfred Perlstein Cc: Roland Jesse , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com Message-ID: <20000916023517.A260@parish> References: <0vr96l1kv6.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <20000915132510.K12231@fw.wintelcom.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000915132510.K12231@fw.wintelcom.net>; from bright@wintelcom.net on Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:25:10PM -0700 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:25:10PM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > * Roland Jesse [000915 13:08] wrote: > > As an answer to Microsoft's current OS poll (which does not include an > > option to vote for BSD) here is one by linuxtoday.com: > > . > > Sinking far past MS's level, somehow I'm not suprised. :) > Yeah, but unless I've missed something very subtle here, *BSD is ahead of Linux in _their_ poll :) FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 15230 CPM 31 All Linux Versions 10701 Hmm, wonder how loud they are going to shout about _that_? > -- > -Alfred Perlstein - [bright@wintelcom.net|alfred@freebsd.org] > "I have the heart of a child; I keep it in a jar on my desk." > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- 4.4 - The number of the Beastie ________________________________________________________________ 51.44°N FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org 2.057°W My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark mailto:marko@freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 18:39:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from fw.wintelcom.net (ns1.wintelcom.net [209.1.153.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9931437B423; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bright@localhost) by fw.wintelcom.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e8G1dSv18235; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 18:39:28 -0700 From: Alfred Perlstein To: Mark Ovens Cc: Roland Jesse , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com Message-ID: <20000915183928.B15156@fw.wintelcom.net> References: <0vr96l1kv6.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <20000915132510.K12231@fw.wintelcom.net> <20000916023517.A260@parish> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <20000916023517.A260@parish>; from marko@freebsd.org on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 02:35:18AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Mark Ovens [000915 18:35] wrote: > On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 01:25:10PM -0700, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > * Roland Jesse [000915 13:08] wrote: > > > As an answer to Microsoft's current OS poll (which does not include an > > > option to vote for BSD) here is one by linuxtoday.com: > > > . > > > > Sinking far past MS's level, somehow I'm not suprised. :) > > > > Yeah, but unless I've missed something very subtle here, *BSD is ahead > of Linux in _their_ poll :) > > FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 15230 > CPM 31 > All Linux Versions 10701 > > Hmm, wonder how loud they are going to shout about _that_? Ok, that is elite. -Alfred To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Sep 15 20:43: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from MessageReach.com (memailin2.messagereach.com [205.183.255.232]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E02C637B423 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 20:43:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 15303 invoked by uid 812); 16 Sep 2000 03:43:02 -0000 Date: 16 Sep 2000 03:43:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000916034302.15302.qmail@MessageReach.com> From: MessageREACH Customer Service To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Future email from MessageREACH Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The address: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org will be blocked by the end of the day, and will no longer receive email sent from: STS Marketing GmbH via the MessageREACH system. This change was made at the request of: pgwisn@yahoo.com If you believe that this change was made in error, please contact MessageREACH customer service at CustomerService@MessageREACH.com Thank you, MessageREACH To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 6:26:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43C637B53A; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA45129; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:26:34 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Mark Ovens Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: perl(1) variable declarations References: <20000915130220.C257@parish> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 16 Sep 2000 15:26:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: Mark Ovens's message of "Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:02:20 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens writes: > What is the difference (if any) between using ``use vars'' and ``my'' > to declare global variables? Reading perlmodlib(1) and the book > Learning Perl they appear interchangeable, but are they? Variables declared with 'use vars' have global scope. Variables declared with my (which is actually a function) have local scope. ISTR something about top-level 'my' variables causing leaks or similar problems in mod_perl scripts, but I don't remember the details. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 6:31:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1FE37B422 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA45152; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:31:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tripwire vs. Mtree References: <20000915133313.A58409@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000915161430.A97377@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 16 Sep 2000 15:31:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Crist J . Clark"'s message of "Fri, 15 Sep 2000 16:14:30 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Crist J . Clark" writes: > From a quick review of the mtree(8) manpage and from experience with > tripwire, I see just a few capabilities that tripwire has that mtree > does not. mtree does not seem to have the capability to check inode > number. mtree only can check modification time. There is no facility > to check creation time or access time. Patches are welcome :) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 6:35:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C423F37B422; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA45177; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:35:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Mark Ovens Cc: Alfred Perlstein , Roland Jesse , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com References: <0vr96l1kv6.fsf@cs.uni-magdeburg.de> <20000915132510.K12231@fw.wintelcom.net> <20000916023517.A260@parish> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 16 Sep 2000 15:35:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: Mark Ovens's message of "Sat, 16 Sep 2000 02:35:18 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0802 (Gnus v5.8.2) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mark Ovens writes: > Yeah, but unless I've missed something very subtle here, *BSD is ahead > of Linux in _their_ poll :) > > FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 15230 > CPM 31 > All Linux Versions 10701 Not any more... FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 263889 CPM 44 All Linux Versions 811214 DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 12: 5: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from jade.chc-chimes.com (jade.chc-chimes.com [216.28.46.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A63C37B422; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:05:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by jade.chc-chimes.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DB17C1C5C; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:05:03 -0400 From: Bill Fumerola To: Ade Lovett Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/audio Makefile ports/audio/autozen Makefile ports/audio/autozen/files md5 ports/audio/autozen/patches patch-aa patch-ab patch-ac ports/audio/autozen/pkg COMMENT DESCR PLIST Message-ID: <20000916150503.E47559@jade.chc-chimes.com> References: <200009161729.KAA62028@freefall.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <200009161729.KAA62028@freefall.freebsd.org>; from ade@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 10:29:55AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ committers -> chat ] On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 10:29:55AM -0700, Ade Lovett wrote: > Log: > autozen is a GTK+ based program to adjust brain waves with sound. > Spooky, eh? :) After listening are my brainwaves now copylefted and owned by Stallman? -- Bill Fumerola - Network Architect, BOFH / Chimes, Inc. billf@chimesnet.com / billf@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 12: 9: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from hub.lovett.com (hub.lovett.com [216.60.121.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1282437B43E for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 12:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ade by hub.lovett.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 13aNKf-0008t0-00; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:09:01 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:09:01 -0500 From: Ade Lovett To: Bill Fumerola Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: ports/audio Makefile ports/audio/autozen Makefile ports/audio/autozen/files md5 ports/audio/autozen/patches patch-aa patch-ab patch-ac ports/audio/autozen/pkg COMMENT DESCR PLIST Message-ID: <20000916140901.O84360@FreeBSD.org> References: <200009161729.KAA62028@freefall.freebsd.org> <20000916150503.E47559@jade.chc-chimes.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20000916150503.E47559@jade.chc-chimes.com>; from billf@chimesnet.com on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 03:05:03PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 03:05:03PM -0400, Bill Fumerola wrote: > On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 10:29:55AM -0700, Ade Lovett wrote: > > Log: > > autozen is a GTK+ based program to adjust brain waves with sound. > > Spooky, eh? :) > > After listening are my brainwaves now copylefted and owned by Stallman? Perhaps this lends credence to the idea that we should all really be wearing those tin-foil hats.. -aDe -- Ade Lovett, Austin, TX. ade@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 14:30:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B865237B423; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:30:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA49475; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:30:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <39C3E67F.D31B0C53@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:30:39 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-091 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Mark Ovens , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: perl(1) variable declarations References: <20000915130220.C257@parish> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Mark Ovens writes: > > What is the difference (if any) between using ``use vars'' and ``my'' > > to declare global variables? Reading perlmodlib(1) and the book > > Learning Perl they appear interchangeable, but are they? > > Variables declared with 'use vars' have global scope. They are global within that package. If you are writing just one script and don't have any 'use' or 'require' statements for other libraries or modules, than "global" is accurate since you only really have one package. However when you start including modules (or writing your own modules) package context becomes very important. > Variables > declared with my (which is actually a function) have local scope. A better way to describe it is that variables declared with my only exist within the innermost set of curly braces where they are declared. The 'main' package (your script) has an implicit set of curly braces around it. > ISTR something about top-level 'my' variables causing leaks or similar > problems in mod_perl scripts, but I don't remember the details. I haven't heard that, but I could see how it could happen. Better (well, cleaner) to declare all your global variables with 'use vars' anyway. And of course, be sure to use -w on your shebang line AND 'use strict;'. That'll cure whatever ails ya. :) HTH, Doug -- "The dead cannot be seduced." - Kai, "Lexx" Do YOU Yahoo!? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 21:21:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E195837B423; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA05750; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:21:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:21:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Tripwire vs. Mtree In-Reply-To: <20000915161430.A97377@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote: > On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 02:06:03PM -0700, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Kris Kennaway wrote: > > > > > Well, thats not a fundamental problem - you can trivially link mtree > > > statically. Basically, I think mtree can do everything tripwire can, > > > but it's a raw tool, not a ready-to-use product and you will have to do > > > a bit of scripting to use it like that. > > > > I have never implemented any type of integrity checking. I know mtree > > runs on installworld but thats about it. > > > > I think I am going to give it a go with the native tool. I do recall the > > database format as being rather terse. Perhaps user issues will steer me > > toward tripwire. > > >From a quick review of the mtree(8) manpage and from experience with > tripwire, I see just a few capabilities that tripwire has that mtree > does not. mtree does not seem to have the capability to check inode > number. mtree only can check modification time. There is no facility > to check creation time or access time. > > But to be honest, I never realized mtree was as powerful as it is. The > fact that the file specification info is quite human readable would > make doing detailed modifications easy, and that can be awkward in the > tripwire configuration file. However, scripting to build the basis of > a specification file for mtree that will not be extremely labor > intensive to tweek is a non-trivial job. mtree can scan an existing filesystem to generate the specification file - see the -c option. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 21:22:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C14E37B422; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA05915; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:22:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 21:22:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Mark Ovens , Alfred Perlstein , Roland Jesse , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 16 Sep 2000, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Mark Ovens writes: > > Yeah, but unless I've missed something very subtle here, *BSD is ahead > > of Linux in _their_ poll :) > > > > FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 15230 > > CPM 31 > > All Linux Versions 10701 > > Not any more... > > FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 263889 > CPM 44 > All Linux Versions 811214 Yeah, they started blocking further votes to BSD, and from the rate at which the Linux numbers were increasing at the same time, possibly giving the Linux voters a helping hand. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 22:21:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from pioneernet.net (pop3.pioneernet.net [208.240.196.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65D837B422; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wiegand.org [208.194.173.26] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id A8698D0002E0; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:36:41 -0700 Message-ID: <39C4554B.3D878080@wiegand.org> Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:23:23 -0700 From: Chip X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Mark Ovens , Alfred Perlstein , Roland Jesse , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sure that button that says 'vote for linux again' is helping them a bit too much. Why don't they put put one on there that says vote for your favorite again so this will be as unfail as possible? -- Chip W. www.wiegand.org Alternative Operating Systems Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On 16 Sep 2000, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Mark Ovens writes: > > > Yeah, but unless I've missed something very subtle here, *BSD is ahead > > > of Linux in _their_ poll :) > > > > > > FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 15230 > > > CPM 31 > > > All Linux Versions 10701 > > > > Not any more... > > > > FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 263889 > > CPM 44 > > All Linux Versions 811214 > > Yeah, they started blocking further votes to BSD, and from the rate at > which the Linux numbers were increasing at the same time, possibly giving > the Linux voters a helping hand. > > Kris > > -- > In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. > -- Charles Forsythe > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 22:24:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6FD37B422; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA20783; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:24:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Chip Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Mark Ovens , Alfred Perlstein , Roland Jesse , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com In-Reply-To: <39C4554B.3D878080@wiegand.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Chip wrote: > I'm sure that button that says 'vote for linux again' is > helping them a bit too much. Why don't they put put one > on there that says vote for your favorite again so this will > be as unfail as possible? Because it's supposed to be biased towards Linux :-) Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 22:52:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93E2E37B424; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:52:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.11.0/8.9.3) id e8H5pvx30353; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:21:57 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:21:56 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Chip Cc: Kris Kennaway , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Mark Ovens , Alfred Perlstein , Roland Jesse , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com Message-ID: <20000917152156.B67912@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <39C4554B.3D878080@wiegand.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <39C4554B.3D878080@wiegand.org>; from chip@wiegand.org on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 10:23:23PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, 16 September 2000 at 22:23:23 -0700, Chip wrote: >> On 16 Sep 2000, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >> >>> Mark Ovens writes: >>>> Yeah, but unless I've missed something very subtle here, *BSD is ahead >>>> of Linux in _their_ poll :) >>>> >>>> FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 15230 >>>> CPM 31 >>>> All Linux Versions 10701 >>> >>> Not any more... >>> >>> FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD/MacOSX/BSDi 263889 >>> CPM 44 >>> All Linux Versions 811214 >> >> Yeah, they started blocking further votes to BSD, and from the rate at >> which the Linux numbers were increasing at the same time, possibly giving >> the Linux voters a helping hand. > > I'm sure that button that says 'vote for linux again' is helping > them a bit too much. Why don't they put put one on there that says > vote for your favorite again so this will be as unfail as possible? You're missing the point. The numbers were increasing at the rate of hundreds a second. That can only come from scripts, and I know that people on both sides were running scripts. It's a kind of primitive performance measurement. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 23:35:40 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D62037B423; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (kris@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA34213; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:35:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: kris owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:35:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Kennaway To: Greg Lehey Cc: Chip , Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Mark Ovens , Alfred Perlstein , Roland Jesse , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: OS poll at linuxtoday.com In-Reply-To: <20000917152156.B67912@wantadilla.lemis.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > You're missing the point. The numbers were increasing at the rate of > hundreds a second. That can only come from scripts, and I know that > people on both sides were running scripts. It's a kind of primitive > performance measurement. It's not really a performance measurement either, since the BSD votes were being blocked. It's not a big deal since it was stated up front that it was going to be biased. Kris -- In God we Trust -- all others must submit an X.509 certificate. -- Charles Forsythe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Sep 16 23:56:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mailhost01.reflexnet.net (mailhost01.reflexnet.net [64.6.192.82]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29AE137B424; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:56:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com ([64.6.211.149]) by mailhost01.reflexnet.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.197.19); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:55:22 -0700 Received: (from cjc@localhost) by 149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id e8H6uTM13241; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:56:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjc) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:56:23 -0700 From: "Crist J . Clark" To: Kris Kennaway Cc: cjclark@alum.mit.edu, "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Tripwire vs. Mtree Message-ID: <20000916235623.Z69158@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Reply-To: cjclark@alum.mit.edu References: <20000915161430.A97377@149.211.6.64.reflexcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: ; from kris@FreeBSD.org on Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 09:21:32PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 09:21:32PM -0700, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Crist J . Clark wrote: [snip] > > But to be honest, I never realized mtree was as powerful as it is. The > > fact that the file specification info is quite human readable would > > make doing detailed modifications easy, and that can be awkward in the > > tripwire configuration file. However, scripting to build the basis of > > a specification file for mtree that will not be extremely labor > > intensive to tweek is a non-trivial job. > > mtree can scan an existing filesystem to generate the specification file - > see the -c option. Right, but the problem is that you want different specifications for different trees. You still need some sort of script to run mtree for each tree with the proper keywords. Actually, if someone were to undertake this, it might actually be interesting if the script could read a Tripwire configuration file and make the specification from that. -- Crist J. Clark cjclark@alum.mit.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message