From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 12 8:55: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from stealth.orca.com (146-115-57-100.c5-0.wtr-ubr1.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com [146.115.57.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061B137BE58 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 08:55:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bein@world.std.com) Received: (from bein@localhost) by stealth.orca.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA26840; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 11:53:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bein) Date: 12 Mar 2000 11:50:29 EST From: David Bein Reply-To: Subject: ATAPI CREATIVE CD523x drives ..... To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-Id: <952879829/bein@stealth.orca.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi ... I just spent an evening discovering that a CD523x hooked to the wdc1 controller needs to be setup slightly differently from the usual out of the box slave jumper mode configuration. I am hoping that somewhere there could be some mention about this requirement. I can provide the different dmesg outputs when it is incorrect and what it should look like after switching the jumper. If someone has an idea of where to put this and wants details on it, I'll be happy to provide them. --David p.s. An alternative is that the probe logic could loosen things up a little bit (ala Solaris and W98) and see the original configuration. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 12 12: 1:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from Hydro.CAM.ORG (Hydro.CAM.ORG [198.168.100.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A965537BD95 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 12:01:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from admin@wtbwts.com) Received: from www.pcr.ca (www.pcr.ca [207.139.158.13] (may be forged)) by Hydro.CAM.ORG (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id PAA27102 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:00:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:02:08 +0000 (GMT) From: Marc Tardif X-Sender: admin@server.b0x.com To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: SP library: out of memory Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When trying to run make in the /usr/doc directory, I get the following error, repeated indefinately: SP library: out of memory jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. SP library: out of memory ... These are the ports I currently have installed, some of which were installed from packages (ls /var/db/pkg): bash-1.14.7 iso8879-1986 boehm-gc-5.0a3 jade-1.2.1 cvsup-bin-16.0 linuxdoc-1.1 docbook-1.0 lynx-2.8.1.2 docbook-241 nmap-2.3b14 docbook-3.0 postgresql-6.5.3 docbook-3.1 sgmlformat-1.7 docproj-1.1 tidy-0.4.99.2 gmake-3.77 unzip-5.40 html-4.0b w3m-0.1.7 My kernel is (uname -a): FreeBSD fbsd.b0x.com 3.4-STABLE FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE #1: Wed Feb 9 11:04:46 GMT 2000 root@fbsd.b0x.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/KERNEL i386 And my system is a 486DX2 with 16mb RAM, that should be plenty to run jade. Any suggestions that might explain the error messages I'm getting would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Marc To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Mar 12 17:48:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DEF37BE48 for ; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 17:48:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA42546; Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:40:19 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:40:18 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Marc Tardif Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SP library: out of memory Message-ID: <20000312234018.A41833@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Marc Tardif on Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 03:02:08PM +0000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 03:02:08PM +0000, Marc Tardif wrote: > When trying to run make in the /usr/doc directory, I get the following > error, repeated indefinately: > SP library: out of memory > jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. > jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. > jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. > jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. > jade in free(): warning: chunk is already free. > SP library: out of memory [...] > And my system is a 486DX2 with 16mb RAM, that should be plenty to run > jade. Any suggestions that might explain the error messages I'm getting > would be greatly appreciated. Almost certainly not enough memory. I just tried % cd doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq % /usr/bin/time -l make book.html and the maximum resident set size (which I take to be (roughly speaking) the amount of memory used) was 23,332K. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 13 7:58:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from flint.mail.tucows.com (flint.mail.tucows.net [63.93.132.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EAD637BB2E for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 07:58:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dash@tucows.com) Received: from [10.10.10.88] (helo=tucows.com) by flint.mail.tucows.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 12UXFW-0002g5-00 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 10:59:18 -0500 Message-ID: <38CD11F8.E5A5094A@tucows.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:06:16 -0500 From: "Devin M. Ash" Organization: http://linux.tucows.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.13 i586) X-Accept-Language: ja, zh, en, de, ru, es, ko, fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD Documentation at TUCOWS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I am Devin M. Ash, from TUCOWS Linux. We are currenlty working on a new FreeBSD site to join our Linux sites. I was wondering what the policy on mirroring the FreeBSD documentation. We mirror a large amount of information on Linux for our users and would like to add FreeBSD information for our new site. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, -- Devin M. Ash linux.tucows.com Webmaster www.tucows.com **TUCOWS NETWORK** "The Linux community and Microsoft are a great fit," says Linus Torvalds, "After all, we both have the same goal, which is total world domination." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 13 8:41:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from lucifer.bart.nl (lucifer.bart.nl [194.158.168.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48AA37C1EC for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 08:41:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asmodai@lucifer.bart.nl) Received: (from asmodai@localhost) by lucifer.bart.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA60748; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:41:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from asmodai) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 17:41:32 +0100 From: Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven To: Mark Huizer Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Translating stuff (handbook,faq,website) to Dutch Message-ID: <20000313174132.A60694@lucifer.bart.nl> References: <20000308193038.D24168@dohd.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000308193038.D24168@dohd.cx>; from freebsd@dohd.cx on Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 07:30:38PM +0100 Organisation: bART Internet Services B.V. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -On [20000308 19:35], Mark Huizer (freebsd@dohd.cx) wrote: >Hi, I'm gathering a few people to start translating the webpages >into Dutch. What are important things to keep in mind when setting up >such a project, and is someone available to do commit work when we are >starting to get things going??? I think I am the best person for the commit part, and then there's also Wilko, and possibly Guido and Marcel. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven Network- and systemadministrator VIA NET.WORKS The Netherlands BSD: Technical excellence at its best http://www.bart.nl United we stand, divided we fall... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 13 11: 0:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C6437BBF3 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:00:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id LAA43051 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:00:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:00:12 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200003131900.LAA43051@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/02/08] docs/16585 doc no info documentation for nm (binutils) i 1 problem total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [1998/09/09] docs/7873 doc poor initial configuration and documentat o [1999/02/25] docs/10240 doc We need a script which check if our web m o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/08/23] docs/13341 doc FAQ 8.7 addition - booting drive 1 from N o [1999/08/28] docs/13441 doc incorrect path in SGML_CATALOG_FILES env o [1999/08/28] docs/13442 doc docproj-primer does not mention where to o [1999/09/17] docs/13792 doc Difficult to find documentation of "secur o [1999/09/19] docs/13815 doc Out-of-date FAQ entries o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/09/29] docs/14035 doc tzfile.h referenced in tzfile(5) doesn't o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/25] docs/14532 doc Much of cam_cdbparse(3) prints in Courier o [1999/10/27] docs/14563 doc Wrong manpage produced by `man 4 fd' o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp o [1999/11/03] docs/14682 doc lprm(1) unaware of lp(1) Environment Vari o [1999/12/10] docs/15408 doc Description of ls and nlist wrong in man o [1999/12/19] docs/15561 doc regex(3) manpage needs update o [1999/12/23] docs/15661 doc Handbook doesn't properly document bootin o [2000/01/01] docs/15821 doc Wrong device names in manpages for lpt(4) o [2000/01/04] docs/15890 doc rfork(RFMEM) on SMP generates error o [2000/01/18] docs/16173 doc [PATCH] fix for the kld/cdev example o [2000/01/29] docs/16439 doc fdp-primer - difficulties with split SGML o [2000/02/16] docs/16748 doc Documentation of Linux Mode for 2.1 is ob o [2000/02/16] docs/16764 doc Include link to "Linux-Oracle on FreeBSD" o [2000/02/23] docs/16934 doc anon transfer log doesn't log all xfers o [2000/02/26] docs/17014 doc send-pr sets MAIL_AGENT unconditionally o [2000/03/01] docs/17101 doc Useless reference in the doscmd manpage o [2000/03/01] docs/17105 doc Wrong crossreference in ndc(8). o [2000/03/08] docs/17269 doc Description of Symbols in nm(1) o [2000/03/11] docs/17333 doc IPv6 man typos (rrenumd.conf.5, prefix.8, 31 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 13 14: 0: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3779A37B65E for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id OAA62309; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 14:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from typhoon.mail.pipex.net (typhoon.mail.pipex.net [158.43.128.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1756F37BE80 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:57:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (qmail 18018 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2000 21:57:55 -0000 Received: from userm975.uk.uudial.com (HELO parish.my.domain) (193.149.81.9) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 13 Mar 2000 21:57:55 -0000 Received: (from root@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02375; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:20:15 GMT (envelope-from mark) Message-Id: <200003132120.VAA02375@parish.my.domain> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:20:15 GMT From: Mark Ovens Reply-To: Mark Ovens To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/17364: Fix minor errors and omissions in FAQ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 17364 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Fix minor errors and omissions in FAQ >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Mar 13 14:00:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mark Ovens >Release: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Fix a couple of minor errors/omissions in the section on Windows(tm) keys I submitted recently. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: *** book.sgml.orig Mon Mar 13 20:53:55 2000 --- book.sgml Mon Mar 13 21:11:24 2000 *************** *** 5751,5764 **** &prompt.root; xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = comma" ! You will probably have to re-start X to see the result. To have the Windows(tm) key-mappings enabled automatically everytime you start X either put the xmodmap commands in your ~/.xinitrc file or, preferably, create a file ~/.xmodmaprc and ! just include the xmodmap options, one per ! line. For example, I have mapped the 3 keys to be F13, F14, and F15 respectively. This makes it easy to map them to useful functions --- 5751,5769 ---- &prompt.root; xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = comma" ! You will probably have to re-start your window manager ! to see the result. To have the Windows(tm) key-mappings enabled automatically everytime you start X either put the xmodmap commands in your ~/.xinitrc file or, preferably, create a file ~/.xmodmaprc and ! include the xmodmap options, one per line, ! then add the line ! ! xmodmap $HOME/.xmodmaprc ! ! to your ~/.xinitrc. For example, I have mapped the 3 keys to be F13, F14, and F15 respectively. This makes it easy to map them to useful functions >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Mar 13 15:10:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from serio.al.rim.or.jp (serio.al.rim.or.jp [202.247.191.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 656A237B5BB for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:10:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.rim.or.jp by serio.al.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W/HMX-12) id IAA28530; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:10:41 +0900 (JST) Received: from rhea.sky.rim.or.jp (pppb08.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.163.108]) by mail1.rim.or.jp (3.7W) id IAA17676; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:10:40 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.sky.rim.or.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rhea.sky.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W/rhea-1.2) with ESMTP id IAA20785; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 08:10:39 +0900 (JST) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:46:49 +0900 Message-ID: <868zzn5byu.wl@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: admin@wtbwts.com Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SP library: out of memory In-Reply-To: In your message of "Sun, 12 Mar 2000 15:02:08 +0000 (GMT)" References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.2.16 (No Son Of Mine) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 8) (Bryce Canyon) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Marc Tardif > And my system is a 486DX2 with 16mb RAM, that should be plenty to run > jade. Any suggestions that might explain the error messages I'm getting > would be greatly appreciated. Jade usually eats huge memory at processing files. Please show the result of limit csh-builtin command. -- Jun Kuriyama / FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 14 6:19: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C9E537B730 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:19:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA10751 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:00:45 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA48880 for doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:53:50 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:53:49 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Appending mailing list links to documents Message-ID: <20000313205349.A48293@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii -doc, Attached is a patch that appends:

For questions about FreeBSD, e-mail <questions@freebsd.org>.
For questions about this documentation, e-mail <doc@freebsd.org>.

to the bottom of each generated docs HTML file. Actually, it adds a
as necessary too. Comments, please on 1. The wording. 2. The best way to handle i18n in the patch. I'll commit in a couple of days. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=diff Index: freebsd.dsl =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/doc/share/sgml/freebsd.dsl,v retrieving revision 1.13 diff -u -r1.13 freebsd.dsl --- freebsd.dsl 2000/02/15 01:57:17 1.13 +++ freebsd.dsl 2000/03/13 20:34:42 @@ -80,6 +80,28 @@ port as well, and then this can be removed. --> (define (gentext-fr-nav-prev prev) (make sequence (literal "Pr\U-00E9;c\U-00E9;dent"))) + + + (define ($html-body-end$) + (make sequence + (if nochunks + (make empty-element gi: "hr") + (empty-sosofo)) + (make element gi: "p" + attributes: (list (list "align" "center")) + (make element gi: "small" + (literal "For questions about FreeBSD, e-mail <") + (make element gi: "a" + attributes: (list (list "href" "mailto:questions@freebsd.org")) + (literal "questions@freebsd.org")) + (literal ">.") + (make empty-element gi: "br") + (literal "For questions about this documentation, e-mail <") + (make element gi: "a" + attributes: (list (list "href" "mailto:doc@freebsd.org")) + (literal "doc@freebsd.org")) + (literal ">."))))) ]]> --bp/iNruPH9dso1Pn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 14 6:32:27 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF51837B53B; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 06:32:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12UsMr-0000HC-00; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:32:17 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Appending mailing list links to documents In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:53:49 GMT." <20000313205349.A48293@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:32:17 +0200 Message-ID: <1065.953044337@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:53:49 GMT, Nik Clayton wrote: > For questions about FreeBSD, e-mail < "mailto:questions@freebsd.org">questions@freebsd.org>.
[...] > Comments, please on > > 1. The wording. As someone who tries to answer FreeBSD questions e-mail, I'd really prefer it if the hypertext link for questions@freebsd.org (should be questions@FreeBSD.org, no?) took the user to Greg Lehey's "Getting the Most from the freebsd-questions mailing list" web page, at: http://www.lemis.com/questions.html If you're uncomfortable with linking "off-site", perhaps the page could be included into the official docs. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 14 14: 5:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from serio.al.rim.or.jp (serio.al.rim.or.jp [202.247.191.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD7B37B7F0; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:05:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kuriyama@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.rim.or.jp by serio.al.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W/HMX-12) id HAA15395; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:05:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from rhea.sky.rim.or.jp (pppa03.kt.rim.or.jp [202.247.163.3]) by mail1.rim.or.jp (3.7W) id HAA21318; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:05:08 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost.sky.rim.or.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rhea.sky.rim.or.jp (8.9.3/3.7W/rhea-1.2) with ESMTP id HAA24519; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:05:07 +0900 (JST) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:05:07 +0900 Message-ID: <86vh2p438s.wl@localhost.sky.rim.or.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: nik@freebsd.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Appending mailing list links to documents In-Reply-To: In your message of "Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:53:49 +0000" <20000313205349.A48293@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000313205349.A48293@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.2.16 (No Son Of Mine) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 8) (Bryce Canyon) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: Nik Clayton > 2. The best way to handle i18n in the patch. To handle this cleanly, we should have l10n-{en,es,fr,ja,ru,zh}.ent files like as Norm's dsssl-docbook-modular distribution. -- Jun Kuriyama / FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Mar 14 17:51: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F111637B8AA for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 17:50:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA24980; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:50:10 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 01:50:09 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: "Devin M. Ash" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Documentation at TUCOWS Message-ID: <20000315015009.A35044@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <38CD11F8.E5A5094A@tucows.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <38CD11F8.E5A5094A@tucows.com>; from Devin M. Ash on Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 11:06:16AM -0500 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Devin, On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 11:06:16AM -0500, Devin M. Ash wrote: > I am Devin M. Ash, from TUCOWS Linux. We are currenlty working on a > new FreeBSD site to join our Linux sites. That's good to know. > I was wondering what the policy on mirroring the FreeBSD documentation. > We mirror a large amount of information on Linux for our users and > would like to add FreeBSD information for our new site. Any help would > be appreciated. The documentation is there to be read :-) How were you planning on mirroring it? As a simple mirror of the FreeBSD web site, or by organising the texts within your own site? If it's the former, we have a variety of tools that can make this easier for you. A couple of things. Obviously, any attribution on the texts has to remain. If, during the course of mirroring the texts you discover problems (typos, incorrect information, that sort of thing) we'd greatly appreciate a note being sent to us so we can correct it. Finally, if you've got any plans to arrange to have your own documentation (articles, and so on) produced, we'd like to be able to mirror them from you -- perhaps a month or so after it first appears on your site. Doing that will increase their exposure even more, and also make them accessible to our translation teams (Japanese, Russian, Spanish, French, Chinese, and more at the moment). Thanks for getting in touch. If you've got specific questions please don't hesitate to send them on. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BF8E60.51199960-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 15 8: 1:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mf006.infoweb.ne.jp (mf006.infoweb.ne.jp [210.131.99.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C657D37BC0E for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 08:01:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b-tree@network.office.ne.jp) Received: from default by mf006.infoweb.ne.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7W-10/13/99) with SMTP id BAA26156 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:01:31 +0900 Message-ID: <5343.953136183260@network.office.ne.jp> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 01:03:03 +0900 (JST) From: megachance Reply-To: b-tree@network.office.ne.jp To: "freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: =?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCPzc1LCNNI0wjTTt2NkgkTiQ0MEZGYhsoQhsoQg==?= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset =ISO-2022-JP Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org $BFMA3$N%a!<%k<:Ni$$$?$7$^$9!#$b$7!"A4$/6=L#$NL5$$FbMF$H(B $B$*46$8$K$J$kMM$G$7$?$i!"$*e$2%a%s%P!<%-%c%s%Z!<%s(B $B"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#"#(B $B$3$N!"%S%8%M%9$NN)$A>e$2$K$46(NO$/$@$5$kJ}$4O"Mm$/$@$5$$(B $B$<$R!"N)>e$2%a%s%P!<$K$J$C$F?75,;v6H$r$$$C$7$g$K@9$j>e$2(B $B$^$;$s$+!)(B $B"c>&:`"d(B $B!&:#!"7]G=?M$KL)$+$J%V!<%`4pAC2=>QIJ(B $B!&%=!<%W!&%X%"%1%"%7%j!<%:!J0lHL>.GdE9F~!*%@%$%(%C%H4XO"?)IJ!&0{NAIJ(B $B!&=w@-!&CK@-$NBN=-$d9u$:$_$NG:$_2r>C$3$@$o$j$N0oIJEy$N(B $B0lHL$G$OF~$GB(%3%_%C%7%g%sH/@8(B $B!&%T%s%l%Y%kM-$j!&9_3JL5$7(B $B!&>R2p.Gd$j$b%*%C%1!e$N(B4$B#0!s!*!*(B $B!&>R2p\:Y@bL@$K$D$$$F$O(B http://wz.333.ne.jp/gmembers/455626959/ $B$r$4Mw$/$@$5$$!#(B $B$4O"Mm!"$4;22C$*BT$A$7$F$$$^$9!*!*(B To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 15 9: 9:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A50F37BAC5 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:09:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12VHI8-000Eor-00 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:09:04 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Proposal re SGML style Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:09:04 +0200 Message-ID: <56968.953140144@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, I'd like to propose that we apply to our SGML similar guidelines to the ones we use for our mdoc style. This message is long. Please don't read it now if you don't have time to think about what I'm saying before shooting me down. :-) I'm busy reviewing Alexey Zelkin's recent IPv6 addition to the Internals section of the Handbook (just shy of a 2000 line diff). It's a nightmare (reviewing, not the change). The problem is that, with wrapped paragraphs (like the one you're reading), diffs take more work to produce and more work to read. Consider the status quo: === Overview of the boot process FreeBSD uses a three-stage bootstrap by default, which basically entails three programs which basically call each other in order (the two boot blocks, and the loader), and which build on the previous programs understanding and provide increasing amounts of sophistication. The kernel is then started, during which devices are probed for and initialized for use. Once the kernel boot process is finished, it passes control to the user process init, which then makes sure the disks are in a usable state, and then starts the user-level resource configuration which then mounts filesystems, sets up network cards to act on the network, and generally starts all the processes that usually are run on a FreeBSD system at startup. === Let's say I'd like to fix this up a little. I either need to create two different diffs (one for my fixes and another to fix the line wrapping that fixes necessitate) or I can make one diff. Either way is a pain in the ass, but observe the diff I get if I choose the latter option: === --- status_quo.orig Wed Mar 15 17:46:40 2000 +++ status_quo Wed Mar 15 18:10:05 2000 @@ -2,19 +2,20 @@ Overview of the boot process FreeBSD uses a three-stage bootstrap by default, which - basically entails three programs which basically call each + basically entails three programs which call each other in order (the two boot blocks, and the loader), and which build on the - previous programs understanding and provide increasing amounts - of sophistication. + linkend="boot-loader">loader). Each of these three + builds on the previous program's understanding and provide + increasing amounts of sophistication. - The kernel is then started, during which devices are + The kernel is then started, at which time devices are probed for and initialized for use. Once the kernel boot - process is finished, it passes control to the user process - init, which then makes sure the disks are in a usable state, - and then starts the user-level resource configuration which - then mounts filesystems, sets up network cards to act on the - network, and generally starts all the processes that usually - are run on a FreeBSD system at startup. + process is finished, the kernel passes control to the user + process &man.init.8;, which then makes sure that the disks + are in a usable state. &man.init.8; then starts the user-level + resource configuration which mounts filesystems, sets up network + cards to act on the network, and generally starts all the + processes that usually are run on a FreeBSD system at startup. + ==== Put aside the fact that realigning the paragraphs is a pain in the arse with vi, because there are editors that would do this for me on the fly. The point here is how difficult it is to read the diff. You find yourself needing to use your fingers. :-) Now consider what would happen if we formatted our SGML more like we do our mdoc. This proposal does not involve removing the use of indentation, since the two people I brought that up in front of both had an absolute cow over it. 1) Each new sentence begins flush against the indented left margin. 2) Where a sentence is too long to fit onto an XX-column line (where XX seems to be 80 in the status quo), it is broken on sentence fragments (clauses). That means on non-terminal punctiation (parens, commas, colons, semi-colons, maybe others), prepositions etc. 3) Block tags do not share a line with the text they wrap. So, if the SGML source adhered to this guideline, we'd have: === Overview of the boot process FreeBSD uses a three-stage bootstrap by default, which basically entails three programs which basically call each other in order (the two boot blocks, and the loader), and which build on the previous programs understanding and provide increasing amounts of sophistication. The kernel is then started, during which devices are probed for and initialized for use. Once the kernel boot process is finished, it passes control to the user process init, which then makes sure the disks are in a usable state, and then starts the user-level resource configuration which then mounts filesystems, sets up network cards to act on the network, and generally starts all the processes that usually are run on a FreeBSD system at startup. === Now, my single diff looks like this: === --- proposed.orig Wed Mar 15 18:34:32 2000 +++ proposed Wed Mar 15 18:34:50 2000 @@ -3,24 +3,26 @@ FreeBSD uses a three-stage bootstrap by default, which basically entails three programs - which basically call each other in order + which call each other in order (the two boot blocks, and the - loader), - and which build on the previous programs understanding - and provide increasing amounts of sophistication. + loader). + Each of these three builds on the previous program's understanding + and provides increasing amounts of sophistication. The kernel is then started, - during which devices are probed for + at which time devices are probed for and initialized for use. Once the kernel boot process is finished, - it passes control to the user process init, - which then makes sure the disks are in a usable state, - and then starts the user-level resource configuration - which then mounts filesystems, + the kernel passes control to the user process + &man.init.8;, + which then makes sure that the disks are in a usable state. + &man.init.8; + then starts the user-level resource configuration + which mounts filesystems, sets up network cards to act on the network, and generally starts all the processes that usually are run on a FreeBSD system at startup. === Firstly, notice that I no longer need to use two diffs (one for fixes, the other for tifying up line wrapping). Also, note that it's much easier to read the diff without using your fingers on the screen to keep track of the before and after. For the moment, forget about how much work would be involved in moving the docs over to the proposed style (because I'd do that work myself). Also ignore the fact that this move would create a cvs revision across which translators would have to hop when merging changes from the English documents. Right now, what I'd like to hear is constructive criticism of the proposed style. What would the drawbacks be? How would this break the various kinds of output we can generate from the SGML source? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 15 9:14:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from web3704.mail.yahoo.com (web3704.mail.yahoo.com [204.71.203.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B45437BB63 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 09:14:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from colmito_ec@yahoo.es) Message-ID: <20000315171409.13046.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [207.243.59.1] by web3704.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:14:09 CET Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:14:09 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Oswaldo=20Z=FA=F1iga?= Subject: Hello from Ecuador To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, my name is Oswaldo, i'm 21 years old, and i'm studing systems enginering at the Polytecnic Army University in quito Ecuador, and i'd like to be part of your group. _______________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 15 13: 9:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gadolinium.btinternet.com (gadolinium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.111]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5465937BAF0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:09:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org) Received: from [213.1.163.125] (helo=parish.my.domain) by gadolinium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 12VL3E-0006qc-00 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:09:57 +0000 Received: (from mark@localhost) by parish.my.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA00576 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 21:09:22 GMT (envelope-from mark) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:08:27 +0000 From: Mark Ovens To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Creating handbook and friends from source Message-ID: <20000315190827.D236@parish> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 04:53:19PM +0100 Organization: Total lack of Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 04:53:19PM +0100, Trond Endrestøl wrote: > Hi, > > I want to upgrade the documentation in /usr/share/doc from the > sources. > I have recently cvsup'ed the doc collection and need hints about what > to do next. > > I understand I need jade, it's already in place, but is there anything > else that I need? > I have also installed html-4.0b from the ports collection. > Install the docproj meta-port. That gets you everything you need to build the docs from source. > I am particularly interested in updating the English version of the > documentation. > Can I remove the «foreign» versions of the documentation in > /usr/share/doc? > Yes, but then set the environment variable DOC_LANG to ``en_US.ISO_8859-1'' or make(8) will bitch about missing directories. To prevent cvsup getting the non-English docs in future create a file /usr/sup/refuse containing: doc/es* doc/fr* doc/ja* doc/ru* doc/zh* HTH. BTW, this is better on -docs, Cc:'d there > Please respond via email (cc: or whatever) since I don't subscribe to > this list. Should I take this discussion elsewhere? The doc list for > instance? > > TIA, > Trond. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Trond Endrestøl | trond@gtf.ol.no > Merkantilvegen 59HB7, | trond@ramstind.gtf.ol.no > N-2815 GJØVIK, NORWAY |+47 61139424 || +47 63874242 > Patron of The Art of Computer Programming| FreeBSD 3.4 & Pine 4.21 > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message -- Microsoft: Where do you want to go today? Linux: Where do you want to go tomorrow? BSD: Are you guys coming, or what? -Poster at LinuxWorld 2000 ________________________________________________________________ FreeBSD - The Power To Serve http://www.freebsd.org My Webpage http://ukug.uk.freebsd.org/~mark/ mailto:mark@ukug.uk.freebsd.org http://www.radan.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 15 14:26:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D6537C31E; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:25:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: from kilt.nothing-going-on.org (kilt.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.18]) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA39837; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:22:47 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by kilt.nothing-going-on.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA69897; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:10:38 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin.nothing-going-on.org) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 17:10:38 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Sheldon Hearn , grog@freebsd.org Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Appending mailing list links to documents Message-ID: <20000315171038.A69521@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000313205349.A48293@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <1065.953044337@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <1065.953044337@axl.ops.uunet.co.za>; from Sheldon Hearn on Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 04:32:17PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [cc'd to Greg Lehey] On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 04:32:17PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > As someone who tries to answer FreeBSD questions e-mail, I'd really > prefer it if the hypertext link for questions@freebsd.org (should be > questions@FreeBSD.org, no?) took the user to Greg Lehey's "Getting the > Most from the freebsd-questions mailing list" web page, at: > > http://www.lemis.com/questions.html > > If you're uncomfortable with linking "off-site", perhaps the page could > be included into the official docs. I'd actually quite like Greg's text to be on the site, and linked to everywhere "questions@FreeBSD.org" appears. Possibly as a section 1.4, "Contacting the FreeBSD Project"? How about it Greg? I'll do the necessary work to bring it in if you want. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 15 16:33:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from cbl-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net (CBL-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net [209.178.114.61]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE8B37B881 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:33:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@ad1440.net) Received: from uta003594 (uta003594.jpl.nasa.gov [128.149.211.36]) by cbl-skelly3.hs.earthlink.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id QAA02107; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:33:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@ad1440.net) Message-ID: <00d101bf8edf$9ddbc460$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov> From: "Sean Kelly" To: "Sheldon Hearn" , References: <56968.953140144@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Subject: Re: Proposal re SGML style Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:36:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > This message is long. Please don't read it now if you don't have time > to think about what I'm saying before shooting me down. :-) Ready ... aim ... :-) Seriously, I haven't written for the FreeBSD project in some time, so whatever I say can't carry much weight. However, just let me play advocatus diaboli for a moment. Strict formatting for computer languages, being what they are (type 1 grammars in Chomsky's hierarchy, if I recall correctly), makes sense, since they follow a regular, coherent pattern of production. Imposing a mathematical style on the physical formatting of a C program, for example, is a no-brainer. A uniform style used across a project also makes using tools like diff possible. If you've got revisions to a function, you need only examine the differences to determine that they compute the new intended function, or fix the bug, or what-have-you. Natural languages are quite a bit more complex than computer languages, naturally. From implicit subjunctive comparisons to puns, there's a lot more that's communicated than what's actually written. Imposing a mathematical style on the physical formatting might cause writers to focus more on inserting newlines on phrase boundaries, instead of on *communicating well*. Using a tool like diff makes far less sense. Professional editors would probably be aghast at reading a revision to a chapter by its differences from the previous version, since the differences lack the context of the chapter as a whole. There's a personality to a chapter---an ethos. Even if you had a very bright diff tool that could work on such material, you'd only gain glimpses of that personality. When I review chapters for O'Reilly, they give me entire chapters to read, not just the differences from the last time 'round. I'd say that if you've got 2000 lines of diffs, then the whole flavor of the chapter is going to be different. And in that case it's better to apply the diffs and read the new version of the chapter from start to finish---looking at technical accuracy, consistency, flow, grammar, spelling, and personality---rather than looking at the context-free glimpes of "before versus after." Whether the chapter "computes its intended function" is a subjective measure anyway. But you'll better gauge all at once. Take care, --Sean To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Mar 15 16:41:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from holly.calldei.com (adsl-208-191-146-189.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net [208.191.146.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A68B37B8F2 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:41:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@holly.calldei.com) Received: (from chris@localhost) by holly.calldei.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA24188; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:40:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from chris) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:40:45 -0600 From: Chris Costello To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal re SGML style Message-ID: <20000315184045.M14372@holly.calldei.com> Reply-To: chris@calldei.com References: <56968.953140144@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.4i In-Reply-To: <56968.953140144@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, March 15, 2000, Sheldon Hearn wrote: > Right now, what I'd like to hear is constructive criticism of the > proposed style. What would the drawbacks be? How would this break the > various kinds of output we can generate from the SGML source? All I can is this: Please do not make the same mistake you did with the man pages, which you did also make in your example. Don't just insert line breaks at the end of each sentence. Carefully reformat it. Otherwise it just looks like garbage. -- |Chris Costello |What this country needs is a good five-cent microcomputer. `---------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 3: 0:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC2337C065 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 03:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12VY0X-0006wt-00; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:00:01 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: "Sean Kelly" Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal re SGML style In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:36:05 PST." <00d101bf8edf$9ddbc460$24d39580@jpl.nasa.gov> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 13:00:00 +0200 Message-ID: <26713.953204400@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 16:36:05 PST, "Sean Kelly" wrote: > Seriously, I haven't written for the FreeBSD project in some time, so > whatever I say can't carry much weight. However, just let me play > advocatus diaboli for a moment. Actually, I found your argument very compelling. Thanks for taking the time to give me the feedback. I perceived my proposal as having two advantages; it would save work in the creation of changes _and_ in the review of those changes. Your argument basically suggests that the way I review changes is flawed. I got exactly the same comment from two others in private mail. I agree with you. This means that the actual value of the proposed style is not as great as my initial perceived value. So the unchallanged advantage of the proposal thus far is: 1) If whitespace changes are to remain separate from other changes, the proposed style will generally reduce the need for follow-up whitespace commits after other commits. 2) If whitespace changes may be mixed in with other changes, the proposed style only generally reduces the amount of reformatting required for paragraphs changed. Do you agree that the proposed style would reduce in this way, the work required to _create_ changes? Whether or not the saving is enough motivation to adopt this style is a different issue. For now, I'm just interested in hearing whether you think there's any merit in this at all, in case I've completely missed the boat. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 5:42:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from edu.nsu.ru (edu.nsu.ru [62.76.68.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D5B37BC0C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 05:40:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from snow@edu.nsu.ru) Received: from sva.edu.nsu.ru (sva.edu.nsu.ru [62.76.68.15]) by edu.nsu.ru (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22366 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:43:24 +0600 (NS) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 19:38:08 +0600 From: Vladimir Stvolov X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Vladimir Stvolov Organization: OblCIT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9818.000316@edu.nsu.ru> To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 11:44:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (dhcp152.cdrom.com [204.216.28.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C0A437C160; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by mojave.worldwide.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02922; Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 15:22:47 -0800 From: Greg Lehey To: Nik Clayton Cc: Sheldon Hearn , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Appending mailing list links to documents Message-ID: <20000315152247.D1968@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com> Reply-To: Greg Lehey References: <20000313205349.A48293@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> <1065.953044337@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> <20000315171038.A69521@kilt.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000315171038.A69521@kilt.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 05:10:38PM +0000 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 15 March 2000 at 17:10:38 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > [cc'd to Greg Lehey] > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 04:32:17PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: >> As someone who tries to answer FreeBSD questions e-mail, I'd really >> prefer it if the hypertext link for questions@freebsd.org (should be >> questions@FreeBSD.org, no?) took the user to Greg Lehey's "Getting the >> Most from the freebsd-questions mailing list" web page, at: >> >> http://www.lemis.com/questions.html >> >> If you're uncomfortable with linking "off-site", perhaps the page could >> be included into the official docs. > > I'd actually quite like Greg's text to be on the site, and linked to > everywhere "questions@FreeBSD.org" appears. Possibly as a section 1.4, > "Contacting the FreeBSD Project"? > > How about it Greg? I'll do the necessary work to bring it in if you want. Sounds good to me. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 11:47:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from omail.emirates.net.ae (omail.emirates.net.ae [194.170.187.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123FA37BBB8 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:47:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fgh@emirates.net.ae) Received: from pmail2.emirates.net.ae by omail.emirates.net.ae (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.1999.09.28.17.31.p2) with ESMTP id <0FRJ00GZR5L4YX@omail.emirates.net.ae> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:46:16 +0400 (GST) Received: from emirates.net.ae (cdc473.emirates.net.ae [195.229.241.219]) by pmail2.emirates.net.ae (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.1999.09.28.17.31.p2) with ESMTP id <0FRJ00JSU5L3B7@pmail2.emirates.net.ae> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:46:16 +0400 (GST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:48:42 +0400 From: gh fg Subject: sent to me To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Reply-To: fgh@emirates.net.ae Message-id: <38D13A9A.3FD1085E@emirates.net.ae> Organization: f MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Emirates Internet} (Win98; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ple for free To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 15:34:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nscache2.x-treme.gr (mail1.x-treme.gr [212.120.196.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEBA337B98C for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 15:34:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from hades.hell.gr (pat14.x-treme.gr [212.120.197.206]) by nscache2.x-treme.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3/IPNG-ADV-ANTISPAM-0.1) with ESMTP id BAA20101; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:34:21 +0200 Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA35637; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:42:27 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 17:42:26 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Oswaldo Z??iga Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Hello from Ecuador Message-ID: <20000316174225.F6500@hades.hell.gr> Reply-To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr References: <20000315171409.13046.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000315171409.13046.qmail@web3704.mail.yahoo.com>; from colmito_ec@yahoo.es on Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 06:14:09PM +0100 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 62 45 D1 C9 26 F9 95 06 D6 21 2A C8 8C 16 C0 8E Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 15, 2000 at 06:14:09PM +0100, Oswaldo Z??iga wrote: > > Hi, my name is Oswaldo, i'm 21 years old, and i'm studing systems > enginering at the Polytecnic Army University in quito Ecuador, and i'd > like to be part of your group. There are many ways of being a "part" of the group. The best way, in my opinion, and probably most respected by the rest of the lot, is to actually contribute something to what the group does ;) You can start by installing FreeBSD, and getting the feel and hang of it for a while -- if you haven't done that already. For more information on installation matters and a lot of other FreeBSD-specific things, please have a look at the Handbook at the home page of the project . Then, there are too many places where any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Some of them, are listed below: . You can test and provide information on how new versions of the programs work, something close to the notion of what the commercial world likes to call "beta testing". . You can read the documentation, and see if there are places where you don't seem to understand something; then you can tell someone what seemed like hard to understand from a newbie's point of view, and we will do our best to: a) help you go on with whatever you were doing b) rewrite parts of the documentation to clarify what you, and quite probably others too, found confusing When you start feeling comfortable with the system sources, you can even provide your own proposed changes, using send-pr(1). If they seem like worthwile additions to the system sources, then someone with permission to commit changes to the system sources will take over and do it :) You can find more information on how you can contribute to FreeBSD, at a handbook chapter . Just in case you decide that it's worth it to join... Welcome aboard, - Giorgos Keramidas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 18: 8:54 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sanger.k12.ca.us (dns.sanger.k12.ca.us [38.171.0.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C1C37C081 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:08:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david_marcantonio@sanger.k12.ca.us) Received: from sanger.k12.ca.us (38.171.0.35) by sanger.k12.ca.us with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.2); Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:09:11 -0800 Message-ID: <38D193A7.8221D8FE@sanger.k12.ca.us> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:08:41 -0800 From: David Marcantonio Reply-To: david_marcantonio@sanger.k12.ca.us Organization: SUSD X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is it possible to provide FreeBSD in a ISO disk image format on your FTP servers? I noticed RedHat has this option for downloading RedHat Linux. You go to one of their FTP sites and you can find a directory called "iso." After you download it, you can drop it on a CD-ROM burning app and make an image of the CD they sell in stores. I feel this is a great idea to get FreeBSD. If you provide an easy to copy format for beginners of BSD, they won't have to figure out which file goes in what directory, or which file they need. If you creat disk images of your FreeBSD, someone with a quick connection can download it and have their own ready to go copy of FreeBSD. This way, you'll get more novice BSD users to install it. Just thought I might suggest that piece of info with you. David Marcantonio To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 18:20:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7577F37C4BD for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:20:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 56408237; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:20:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:20:02 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: David Marcantonio Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD suggestion Message-ID: <20000316182002.A60127@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: <38D193A7.8221D8FE@sanger.k12.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.9i In-Reply-To: <38D193A7.8221D8FE@sanger.k12.ca.us>; from david_marcantonio@sanger.k12.ca.us on Thu, Mar 16, 2000 at 06:08:41PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 at 18:08:41 -0800, David Marcantonio wrote: > Is it possible to provide FreeBSD in a ISO disk image format on your FTP > servers? I noticed RedHat has this option for downloading RedHat Linux. > You go to one of their FTP sites and you can find a directory called > "iso." After you download it, you can drop it on a CD-ROM burning app > and make an image of the CD they sell in stores. I feel this is a great > idea to get FreeBSD. If you provide an easy to copy format for beginners > of BSD, they won't have to figure out which file goes in what directory, > or which file they need. If you creat disk images of your FreeBSD, > someone with a quick connection can download it and have their own ready > to go copy of FreeBSD. This way, you'll get more novice BSD users to > install it. Just thought I might suggest that piece of info with you. This has been available for a while. Check the FTP site.. ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES The 4.0-R ISOs should be appearing shortly. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 20:32:46 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from berlin.atlantic.net (berlin.atlantic.net [209.208.0.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B01F037BCF4 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:32:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bobj@atlantic.net) Received: from mail.atlantic.net (mail.atlantic.net [209.208.0.71]) by berlin.atlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA20894; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:35:36 -0500 Received: from bsd.cisi.com (ocalflifanb-as-1-r1-ip-235.atlantic.net [209.208.28.235]) by mail.atlantic.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA31373; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:32:34 -0500 Received: from nancy.cisi.com (nancy.cisi.com [192.168.0.131]) by bsd.cisi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05967; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:28:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bobj@atlantic.net) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000316232902.00991100@rio.atlantic.net> X-Sender: bobj@rio.atlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:29:02 -0500 To: david_marcantonio@sanger.k12.ca.us, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG From: Bob Johnson Subject: Re: FreeBSD suggestion In-Reply-To: <38D193A7.8221D8FE@sanger.k12.ca.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:08 PM 03/16/2000 -0800, David Marcantonio wrote: >Is it possible to provide FreeBSD in a ISO disk image format on your FTP >servers? I noticed RedHat has this option for downloading RedHat Linux. >You go to one of their FTP sites and you can find a directory called >"iso." After you download it, you can drop it on a CD-ROM burning app >and make an image of the CD they sell in stores. I feel this is a great >idea to get FreeBSD. If you provide an easy to copy format for beginners >of BSD, they won't have to figure out which file goes in what directory, >or which file they need. If you creat disk images of your FreeBSD, >someone with a quick connection can download it and have their own ready >to go copy of FreeBSD. This way, you'll get more novice BSD users to >install it. Just thought I might suggest that piece of info with you. > >David Marcantonio > Not only are ISO images already available at ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ but even if you don't use them, there is no need to "figure out which file goes in what directory". Simply create two floppy disks, boot from them, and they do the rest. See http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html -- Bob +-------------------------------------------------------- | Bob Johnson | bobj@atlantic.net +-------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Mar 16 23:41:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C0337B56B for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:41:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA22599; Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:41:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <38D1E1A9.F17E87F3@gorean.org> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:41:29 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0315 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal re SGML style References: <56968.953140144@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sheldon Hearn wrote: > 1) Each new sentence begins flush against the indented left margin. > 2) Where a sentence is too long to fit onto an XX-column line (where XX > seems to be 80 in the status quo), it is broken on sentence > fragments (clauses). That means on non-terminal punctiation (parens, > commas, colons, semi-colons, maybe others), prepositions etc. > 3) Block tags do not share a line with the text they wrap. These are all sensible suggestions, especially the last one. Breaking the sentences up into smaller chunks reduces the size of diffs to the text down the road, makes revision tracking easier, etc. It also makes it easier for translators, since they get visual cues as to word grouping (which isn't always obvious to non-native speakers). I'm not sure that I understand your emphasis on whitespace changes though, maybe I'm just missing something. I realize it's a pita, but if you're just making ws changes you really should do a seperate commit. The temporary pain is well worth it down the road. Think revision history. Think ten years from now, think twenty years from now when we're all off doing other things. I think the suggestion that trying to make any kind of editorial decisions based on diffs to large text documents isn't likely to be fruitful is a good one. This is one setting where context diffs actually work better than unified diffs, but I would never give a final approval to a document I hadn't read "clean" first. It's just too easy to lose the flow. A lot of my programming work involves CGI, much of it with large chunks of text/HTML embedded. I use similar "guidelines" for my own work and I've found them useful, FWIW. Doug -- "While the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems, it would be easier sometimes to change the past" - Jackson Browne, "Fountain of Sorrow" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 0:33:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from gate.leissner.se (gate.leissner.se [212.3.0.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D88837BC87 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:33:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pj@leissner.se) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by gate.leissner.se (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA24926 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:33:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from hobbe.leissner.se(192.71.29.10) via SMTP by gate.leissner.se, id smtpdz24924; Fri Mar 17 09:33:08 2000 Received: by hobbe.leissner.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:33:09 +0100 Message-ID: From: Patrik Johansson To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: fdimage.exe Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:33:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hiya! The files kern.flp and mfsroot.flp FreeBSD 3.4 is to big to fit at a floppy, are you aware at the problem? Best Regards //Patrik. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 0:51:10 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (luna.cdrom.com [204.216.28.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC2837B56B; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:51:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2B7A520D; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:50:25 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 00:50:24 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: nik@FreeBSD.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Weird stuff happening with the PPP chapter Message-ID: <20000317005024.A70734@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.9i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi folks, I'm seeing some really weird stuff with the handbook. My local copy, is fine.. the FreeBSD.org copy is not. Here's a rundown.. o I browse to http://localhost/ and go to the ppp chapter. I click on the title of that chapter 'PPP and SLIP'. It takes me to the main page of the chapter with the Synopsis on it. I click the link to 'User PPP' or 'Next' (down at the bottom) and it goes to userppp.html as it should. No problem. Here's where I (and a few others that have reported it to me) have the problem. o I browse to http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/ and go to the ppp chapter. I click the title of that chapter (as above) and it takes me where it should (ppp-and-slip.html, same as above). I click on the link to 'User PPP' or 'Next' here, and it goes to ppp-and-slip.html#USERPPP, which basically just refreshes the page. I can't get to userppp.html. The thing that's driving me nuts is, I can't figure out why. I've cvs diffed my local copy with the copy in the CVS repository and nothing is different between the two files. I've looked through my local copy and for the life of me can't find anything wrong with it. Can someone else try this? I'm really curious as to why the hell it's doing this, and I'm at a total loss on what to fix to make it work on the FreeBSD.org copy. Any feedback or results would be much appreciated. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 1:29:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FD237B71D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 01:29:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12Vt4c-00016y-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:29:38 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Patrik Johansson Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: fdimage.exe In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:33:08 +0100." Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:29:38 +0200 Message-ID: <4275.953285378@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:33:08 +0100, Patrik Johansson wrote: > The files kern.flp and mfsroot.flp FreeBSD 3.4 is to big to fit at a floppy, > are you aware at the problem? Each one goes on its own floppy. Can you point us to the documentation that led you to believe that both files go on one floppy? Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 2:44:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B82E37BC20; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:44:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA44679; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:44:12 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:44:12 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jim Mock Cc: nik@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Weird stuff happening with the PPP chapter Message-ID: <20000317104412.A40775@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000317005024.A70734@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000317005024.A70734@luna.cdrom.com>; from Jim Mock on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 12:50:24AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 12:50:24AM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > o I browse to http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/ and go to the ppp > chapter. I click the title of that chapter (as above) and it takes > me where it should (ppp-and-slip.html, same as above). I click on > the link to 'User PPP' or 'Next' here, and it goes to > ppp-and-slip.html#USERPPP, which basically just refreshes the > page. I can't get to userppp.html. I'm confused now. I've just had a look at freefall:/usr/local/www/data/handbook/ and the files in there don't resemble the files I see going via http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ I thought /usr/local/www/data was the right path (see srm.conf in /usr/local/etc/apache/). From this end, I'd say the web server's pointing at stale files. I don't have the time right now to try and follow the chain of config files. If Wolfram can't look at it today, I'll try this evening. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 2:49:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4671C37B8A3; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:49:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12VuJW-000KSx-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:49:06 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:49:06 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Nik Clayton Cc: Jim Mock , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Weird stuff happening with the PPP chapter Message-ID: <20000317124906.A76665@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000317005024.A70734@luna.cdrom.com> <20000317104412.A40775@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000317104412.A40775@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 2000-03-17 (10:44), Nik Clayton wrote: > I'm confused now. I've just had a look at > > freefall:/usr/local/www/data/handbook/ > > and the files in there don't resemble the files I see going via > > http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ > > I thought /usr/local/www/data was the right path (see srm.conf in > /usr/local/etc/apache/). > > >From this end, I'd say the web server's pointing at stale files. I don't > have the time right now to try and follow the chain of config files. If > Wolfram can't look at it today, I'll try this evening. It's /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf's Redirect /handbook/userppp.html line that's causing the trouble. Tags due to mental confusion reading what I first wrote. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 2:57:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from axl.ops.uunet.co.za (axl.ops.uunet.co.za [196.31.1.175]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B398237BC87 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 02:57:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sheldonh@axl.ops.uunet.co.za) Received: from sheldonh (helo=axl.ops.uunet.co.za) by axl.ops.uunet.co.za with local-esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 12VuR7-000GP5-00; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:56:57 +0200 From: Sheldon Hearn To: Doug Barton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal re SGML style In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:41:29 PST." <38D1E1A9.F17E87F3@gorean.org> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:56:57 +0200 Message-ID: <63056.953290617@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:41:29 PST, Doug Barton wrote: > I'm not sure that I understand your emphasis on whitespace changes > though, maybe I'm just missing something. I realize it's a pita, but if > you're just making ws changes you really should do a seperate commit. My concern is more for the case where non-whitespace changes need to be committed and the changes necessitate whitespace changes (e.g. the insertion of words into a paragraph, causing an overly long line). In this case, my understanding is that the non-whitespace changes should be committed, followed by a whitespace commit to clean things up. This is the only advantage left to the proposed style since it was concluded that there's no advantage to the review process. At this stage, I'm looking for feedback on whether this is an issue significant enough to justify mandating a new style. Ciao, Sheldon. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 3:47: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from estrela.cmh.ascend.com (estrela.cmh.ascend.com [137.175.2.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7537937B99A for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:47:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edguer@cmh.ascend.Com) Received: from picu.cmh.ascend.com (picu.cmh.ascend.com [137.175.81.55]) by estrela.cmh.ascend.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA20989 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:46:45 -0500 (EST) From: Aydin Edguer Received: by picu.cmh.ascend.com (8.9.1/95031605) id GAA08625; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:46:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003171146.GAA08625@picu.cmh.ascend.com> Subject: Minor error To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:46:44 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [I hope this is the correct e-mail address] The FreeBSD 4.0 Errata page http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.0R/errata.html is labeled as "FreeBSD 3.4 Errata Notes". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 3:51: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from estrela.cmh.ascend.com (estrela.cmh.ascend.com [137.175.2.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F4CD37BDBD for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 03:50:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from edguer@cmh.ascend.Com) Received: from picu.cmh.ascend.com (picu.cmh.ascend.com [137.175.81.55]) by estrela.cmh.ascend.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA21052 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:50:55 -0500 (EST) From: Aydin Edguer Received: by picu.cmh.ascend.com (8.9.1/95031605) id GAA08641; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:50:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003171150.GAA08641@picu.cmh.ascend.com> Subject: Minor Error 2 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 06:50:54 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The FreeBSD 4.0 Annoucement page -- http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.0R/announce.html is labeled as "FreeBSD 3.4 Announcement". To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 4: 3:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (adsl-63-192-209-55.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.209.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0C3937BD94 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:03:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BD42A10E; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:03:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:03:06 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Aydin Edguer Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minor error Message-ID: <20000317040306.A512@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: <200003171146.GAA08625@picu.cmh.ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.9i In-Reply-To: <200003171146.GAA08625@picu.cmh.ascend.com>; from edguer@cmh.ascend.com on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:46:44AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 at 06:46:44 -0500, Aydin Edguer wrote: > [I hope this is the correct e-mail address] > > The FreeBSD 4.0 Errata page > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.0R/errata.html is labeled as > "FreeBSD 3.4 Errata Notes". Fixed, thanks. - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 4: 4:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (adsl-63-192-209-55.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.209.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 834C737BB89 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:04:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BDD1810E; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:03:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 04:03:35 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Aydin Edguer Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Minor Error 2 Message-ID: <20000317040335.B512@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@luna.cdrom.com References: <200003171150.GAA08641@picu.cmh.ascend.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.9i In-Reply-To: <200003171150.GAA08641@picu.cmh.ascend.com>; from edguer@cmh.ascend.com on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 06:50:54AM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 at 06:50:54 -0500, Aydin Edguer wrote: > The FreeBSD 4.0 Annoucement page -- > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.0R/announce.html is labeled as > "FreeBSD 3.4 Announcement". This one's fixed too. Thanks again :-) - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 7:21:13 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BA437B569; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:20:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA00786; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:20:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA28027; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:19:50 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id KAA16903; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:20:53 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14546.19796.641813.519979@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:20:52 -0700 (MST) To: david_marcantonio@sanger.k12.ca.us Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD suggestion In-Reply-To: <38D193A7.8221D8FE@sanger.k12.ca.us> References: <38D193A7.8221D8FE@sanger.k12.ca.us> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ cd'ed to -qa ] [ On Thursday, March 16, David Marcantonio wrote: ] > Is it possible to provide FreeBSD in a ISO disk image format on your FTP > servers? I noticed RedHat has this option for downloading RedHat Linux. > You go to one of their FTP sites and you can find a directory called > "iso." After you download it, you can drop it on a CD-ROM burning app > and make an image of the CD they sell in stores. I feel this is a great > idea to get FreeBSD. If you provide an easy to copy format for beginners > of BSD, they won't have to figure out which file goes in what directory, > or which file they need. If you creat disk images of your FreeBSD, > someone with a quick connection can download it and have their own ready > to go copy of FreeBSD. This way, you'll get more novice BSD users to > install it. Just thought I might suggest that piece of info with you. we have been uploading the first disk of the Walnut creek 4-disc set since about FreeBSD 3.3 (maybe earilier, maybe 3.4, my memory back that far is fuzzy :). You will find ISO's here: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/ISO-IMAGES/ it just so happens that the 4.0-RELEASE ISO images are for some reason, MIAWNARW (missing in action with no announced reason why :) right now ... -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 7:46:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail05.rapidsite.net (mail05.rapidsite.net [207.158.192.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8D9B37B95D for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 07:46:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lewis@lwb.org) Received: from www.lwb.org (207.158.249.22) by mail05.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.54) with SMTP id 038053414 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 10:33:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38D2503E.4D6A5100@lwb.org> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:33:18 -0600 From: Lewis W Beard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Errata: 4.0R Announce Page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org All, On the url http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.0R/announce.html I noticed the title is "FreeBSD 3.4 Announcement" when I think it should have said "FreeBSD 4.0 Announcement". Juset trying to let you know before the 2pm cst update. Lewis To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 9:26:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.surf1.de (mail.Surf1.de [194.25.165.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7469037B9EC for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:26:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alex@cichlids.com) Received: from cichlids.com (postfix@pC19F5446.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [193.159.84.70]) by mail.surf1.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05491; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:26:10 +0100 Received: from cichlids.cichlids.com (cichlids.cichlids.com [192.168.0.10]) by cichlids.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C523BAC26; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:26:28 +0100 (CET) Received: (from alex@localhost) by cichlids.cichlids.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA21436; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:25:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from alex) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 18:25:32 +0100 From: Alexander Langer To: Lewis W Beard Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Errata: 4.0R Announce Page Message-ID: <20000317182532.B21269@cichlids.cichlids.com> References: <38D2503E.4D6A5100@lwb.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <38D2503E.4D6A5100@lwb.org>; from lewis@lwb.org on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 09:33:18AM -0600 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 44 28 CA 4C 46 5B D3 A8 A8 E3 BA F3 4E 60 7D 7F X-Verwirrung: Dieser Header dient der allgemeinen Verwirrung. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Lewis W Beard (lewis@lwb.org): > title is "FreeBSD 3.4 Announcement" when I think it should have said > "FreeBSD 4.0 Announcement". Already fixed, thanks! Alex To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 9:52:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n0b.san.rr.com (dt051n0b.san.rr.com [204.210.32.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361B137B709 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:52:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Received: from gorean.org (doug@master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n0b.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA26354; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:52:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Doug@gorean.org) Message-ID: <38D270C2.D766C214@gorean.org> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 09:52:02 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT-0316 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Proposal re SGML style References: <63056.953290617@axl.ops.uunet.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sheldon Hearn wrote: > At this > stage, I'm looking for feedback on whether this is an issue significant > enough to justify mandating a new style. I would say it's something that should be included in the style guidelines, with a good explanation of its benefits. As you may have noticed some people in the project have a problem with "mandates." :) Doug -- "While the future's there for anyone to change, still you know it seems, it would be easier sometimes to change the past" - Jackson Browne, "Fountain of Sorrow" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 12: 9:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874D837B637; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:09:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA50866; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:09:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: John Reynolds~ Cc: david_marcantonio@sanger.k12.ca.us, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD suggestion In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:20:52 MST." <14546.19796.641813.519979@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:09:19 -0800 Message-ID: <50863.953323759@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org There was indeed a reason announced - the ISO images will be up after everything has been properly tested for a few days. I can update bits on an FTP site fairly easily. I can't do the same for 20,000 CDs once they're in the field. - Jordan > > [ cd'ed to -qa ] > > [ On Thursday, March 16, David Marcantonio wrote: ] > > Is it possible to provide FreeBSD in a ISO disk image format on your FTP > > servers? I noticed RedHat has this option for downloading RedHat Linux. > > You go to one of their FTP sites and you can find a directory called > > "iso." After you download it, you can drop it on a CD-ROM burning app > > and make an image of the CD they sell in stores. I feel this is a great > > idea to get FreeBSD. If you provide an easy to copy format for beginners > > of BSD, they won't have to figure out which file goes in what directory, > > or which file they need. If you creat disk images of your FreeBSD, > > someone with a quick connection can download it and have their own ready > > to go copy of FreeBSD. This way, you'll get more novice BSD users to > > install it. Just thought I might suggest that piece of info with you. > > we have been uploading the first disk of the Walnut creek 4-disc set since > about FreeBSD 3.3 (maybe earilier, maybe 3.4, my memory back that far is fuzz y > :). You will find ISO's here: > > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ > ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/alpha/ISO-IMAGES/ > > it just so happens that the 4.0-RELEASE ISO images are for some reason, > MIAWNARW (missing in action with no announced reason why :) right now ... > > -Jr > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | > | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | > | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 13:40:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from www.exitexchange.com (www.exitexchange.com [206.58.218.91]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478C237B760; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 13:40:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reg@exitexchange.com) Received: from exitexchange.com ([206.58.218.112]) by www.exitexchange.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA20631; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:51:16 -0800 Message-Id: <200003141351.FAA20631@www.exitexchange.com> Received: from reg@exitexchange.com by (8.8.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA07521 for ; Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:00:35 -0600 (EST) Date: Tue, 14 Mar 00 05:00:35 EST From: "Registration Information" To: reg@exitexchange.com Subject: Re: Registration of domain with ExitExchange.com Reply-To: reg@exitexchange.com Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Here's how to register. 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CDROM ---------- FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE and 2.2.x-RELEASE CDs may be ordered on CDROM from: **** Need to update to refer to FreeBSD 4.0-RELEASE CDs :-) Doc Bug 2 ========= 4. Upgrading from previous releases of FreeBSD ---------------------------------------------- If you're upgrading from a previous release of FreeBSD, most likely it's 3.0 and some of the following issues may affect you, depending of course on your chosen method of upgrading. There are two popular ways of upgrading FreeBSD distributions: o Using sources, via /usr/src o Using sysinstall's (binary) upgrade option. [insert other notes here] *** Looks like some notes are missing :-) >How-To-Repeat: Not applicable >Fix: See "Full Description" >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 22:41: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A6E37BB1F; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jkh@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id WAA50718; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:41:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 22:41:02 -0800 (PST) From: Message-Id: <200003180641.WAA50718@freefall.freebsd.org> To: trev@sentry.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/17446: FreeBSD Release 4.0-RELEASE Release Notes out of date Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: FreeBSD Release 4.0-RELEASE Release Notes out of date State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jkh State-Changed-When: Fri Mar 17 22:40:50 PST 2000 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Mar 17 23:59:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp [192.51.44.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31CA37B5D4 for ; Fri, 17 Mar 2000 23:59:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from m4.gw.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-MX0002-Fujitsu Gateway) id QAA23199 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:59:32 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp by m4.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-0002-Fujitsu Domain Master) id QAA02852; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:59:32 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost ([192.168.245.191]) by incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-0002) id QAA16413; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:59:31 +0900 (JST) To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: ERRATA addition for conf/17406 X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-Prom-Mew: Prom-Mew 1.93.4 (procmail reader for Mew) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000318170022K.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:00:22 +0900 From: Yoshinobu Inoue X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 22 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, could this new entry be considered for an addition to ERRATA for FreeBSD4.0 on www.freebsd.org? This is already reviewed by sheldonh. Please refer to the conf/17406 related thread on freebsd-bugs list for details. Thanks, Yoshinobu Inoue -------------------------------------------------------------- Putting "nis" anywhere in /etc/host.conf makes several network programs segfault upon startup. The affected programs are ones which use getaddrinfo(3) for name to addr resolving (like ftp, telnet, and ssh) Fix: Update your copy of lib/libc/net/name6.c to the 4-stable branch version, where it is fixed, or apply the following patch to the lib/libc/net/name6.c distributed with 4.0-RELEASE: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/src/lib/libc/net/name6.c.diff?r1=1.6&r2=1.6.2.1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 0: 2:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7921437B5EF for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA13147; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:02:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Yoshinobu Inoue Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERRATA addition for conf/17406 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:00:22 +0900." <20000318170022K.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:02:56 -0800 Message-ID: <13128.953366576@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, > could this new entry be considered for an addition to ERRATA > for FreeBSD4.0 on www.freebsd.org? > This is already reviewed by sheldonh. Hi! Given that you're a committer, you are aware that you can simply check out www and commit this change directly yourself? It doesn't require someone from -doc, just someone from -committers. :-) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 0:23:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp [192.51.44.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEF737BB61 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:23:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from m4.gw.fujitsu.co.jp by fgwmail6.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-MX0002-Fujitsu Gateway) id RAA24629; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:23:24 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp) Received: from incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp by m4.gw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-0002-Fujitsu Domain Master) id RAA05761; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:23:23 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost ([192.168.245.187]) by incapgw.fujitsu.co.jp (8.9.3/3.7W-0002) id RAA17020; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:23:21 +0900 (JST) To: jkh@zippy.cdrom.com Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERRATA addition for conf/17406 In-Reply-To: <13128.953366576@zippy.cdrom.com> References: <20000318170022K.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> <13128.953366576@zippy.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94 on Emacs 20.4 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) X-Prom-Mew: Prom-Mew 1.93.4 (procmail reader for Mew) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000318172413S.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:24:13 +0900 From: Yoshinobu Inoue X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 24 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Hi, > > could this new entry be considered for an addition to ERRATA > > for FreeBSD4.0 on www.freebsd.org? > > This is already reviewed by sheldonh. > > Hi! > > Given that you're a committer, you are aware that you can simply check > out www and commit this change directly yourself? It doesn't require > someone from -doc, just someone from -committers. :-) > > - Jordan Woops I didn't know that the www.freebsd.org contents is not moderated. Then please consider this is just a review request. And also, I'll wait the commit until actual CD release contetns are fixed, in case tag sliding and release re-rolling happen. (Because the patch for this problem might be included into it, if it happens.) Thanks, Yoshinobu Inoue To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 0:31:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (zippy.cdrom.com [204.216.27.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E85B37B789 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:31:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) Received: from zippy.cdrom.com (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zippy.cdrom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA40006; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:32:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@zippy.cdrom.com) To: Yoshinobu Inoue Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ERRATA addition for conf/17406 In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:24:13 +0900." <20000318172413S.shin@nd.net.fujitsu.co.jp> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 00:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: <40003.953368326@zippy.cdrom.com> From: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > And also, I'll wait the commit until actual CD release > contetns are fixed, in case tag sliding and release re-rolling > happen. (Because the patch for this problem might be included > into it, if it happens.) Yes, that's a good idea. Thanks! - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 2: 0:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sonet.crimea.ua (OTC-sl3-FLY.CRIS.NET [212.110.136.71]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BF537B5AC; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:00:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phantom@scorpion.crimea.ua) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sonet.crimea.ua (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id MAA10465; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:11:06 +0300 (MSK) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by scorpion.crimea.ua (8.8.8/8.8.5+ssl+keepalive) id MAA09966; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:00:28 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:00:27 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: nik@FreeBSD.org Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: doc/ tree tagging Message-ID: <20000318120027.A9870@scorpion.crimea.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 2.2.7-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, I took a look to the FAQ and found that a lot of points should be fixed for 4.0-RELEASE, but should be left for 3.x branch. For example latest changes related in 4.x/5.x config(8) are not relected and FAQ give incorrect examples at all. Since 3.x branch will be supported until 3.6 release (at least) we need to fix documentation for 4.x and leave it as well for 3.x. IMHO much better way is just create cvs branch for 3.x docs and continue support of this branch, but all new changes should go to HEAD branch. I remember about attempt of resolving of this problem by creation of new sgml entities, but it looks little junkly for me. We'll just create more problems with tracking of documentation for all branches in that way, IMHO. And add more junk to SGML sources :( -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@crimea.edu */ /* http://www.ccssu.crimea.ua/~phantom && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 2:26:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from icc.cgu.chel.su (gw.cgu.chel.su [195.54.14.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B71037B5AC; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 02:26:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andy@mail.cgu.chel.su) Received: from mail.cgu.chel.su (mail.cgu.chel.su [195.54.14.68]) by icc.cgu.chel.su (8.9.3/8.9.2/$Revision: 1.4 $) with ESMTP id PAA85900; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:25:44 +0500 (ES) (envelope-from andy@mail.cgu.chel.su) Received: (from andy@localhost) by mail.cgu.chel.su (8.9.3/8.8.6) id PAA40420; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:25:40 +0500 (ES) From: Andrey Zakhvatov Message-Id: <200003181025.PAA40420@mail.cgu.chel.su> Subject: Re: doc/ tree tagging In-Reply-To: <20000318120027.A9870@scorpion.crimea.ua> from Alexey Zelkin at "Mar 18, 2000 12:00:27 pm" To: phantom@FreeBSD.ORG (Alexey Zelkin) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:25:40 +0500 (ES) Cc: nik@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, > IMHO much better way is just create > cvs branch for 3.x docs and continue support of this branch, but > all new changes should go to HEAD branch. Please, count my vote for this approvement. It can help, for example, translation teams. I have future plans to start man pages translation for different branches, it will be more clear to me track them in appropriate branches.. P.S. Is doc freeze over? I seen commits to doc tree without "Approved by:" line, but missed "freeze over" announce. Sincerely yours, Andy. -- Tel: +7-(3512)-38-39-73, E-mail: andy@icc.surw.chel.su WWW: http://surw.chel.su/~andy/index.html, ICQ:10705306 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 5:11: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C40B37B56C; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 05:10:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 12WJ0G-000OSI-00; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:10:52 +0200 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 15:10:52 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Alexey Zelkin Cc: nik@FreeBSD.org, doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: doc/ tree tagging Message-ID: <20000318151052.A93790@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <20000318120027.A9870@scorpion.crimea.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre2i In-Reply-To: <20000318120027.A9870@scorpion.crimea.ua> Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat 2000-03-18 (12:00), Alexey Zelkin wrote: > I remember about attempt of resolving of this problem by creation > of new sgml entities, but it looks little junkly for me. We'll just > create more problems with tracking of documentation for all branches > in that way, IMHO. And add more junk to SGML sources :( Count me against branching the CVS tree for doc/ to the extent I probably won't work on the non-latest version if this happens. It doesn't make sense to have two versions of the documents in our tree, since we'll have a scary split of changes that apply to both branches, or just one branch, and then changes between branches would get out of sync where something previously applied to one branch differently, and where the new change applies to both branches. It'll make our current clean scheme very, very messy. It's perfectly acceptable to have "Before 4.0-RELEASE, the IDE disks were called wd, but since that time, they're now called ad". It also lends a lot of consistency to the reading - someone looking through the FAQ for 3.0 which doesn't mention ad at all, and suddenly walking into it, will be confused. Another interesting spinoff is for those who work across multiple versions, where it makes sense to be presented with "3.0 to 3.3 has 'foo' feature disabled by default, but since 3.4, it is enabled". Why should they read two different versions of a document, and manually have to figure this out? I also think it will be harder for translators to work on a split tree, since they have to track two moving targets now instead of one. They can't just track one, and expect a little playing with diff from the latest target will give them any useful result. Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner nbm@rucus.ru.ac.za To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 8: 0: 8 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E4537B9B0 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA58838; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:00:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0167F37B54C for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:52:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-28.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.28]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03234; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id KAA33797; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Message-Id: <200003181554.KAA33797@stealth.ipass.net.> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:54:03 -0500 (EST) From: aa8vb@ipass.net Reply-To: aa8vb@ipass.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: aa8vb@ipass.net X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/17468: Missing man page: ld.so Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 17468 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Missing man page: ld.so >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Mar 18 08:00:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Randall Hopper >Release: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386 >Organization: self >Environment: Stock 3.4-RELEASE. >Description: ldd(1) mentions an ld.so man page, but it does not exist. >How-To-Repeat: "/usr/bin/man ld.so" >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 8: 0: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292D937B5D6 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA58847; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:00:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A19F37B571 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:53:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-28.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.28]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03295; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:52:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id KAA33935; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:55:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Message-Id: <200003181555.KAA33935@stealth.ipass.net.> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:55:11 -0500 (EST) From: aa8vb@ipass.net Reply-To: aa8vb@ipass.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: aa8vb@ipass.net X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/17469: Missing man page: sigwait Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 17469 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Missing man page: sigwait >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Mar 18 08:00:01 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Randall Hopper >Release: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386 >Organization: self >Environment: Stock 3.4-RELEASE. >Description: sigwait is supported and I'm using it in code, but there is no man page. >How-To-Repeat: "/usr/bin/man sigwait" >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 8: 0:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.FreeBSD.ORG [204.216.27.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8795C37B9D7 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.9.2) id IAA58856; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:00:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from charon.ipass.net (charon.ipass.net [198.79.53.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F2E637B54C for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:55:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rhh@ipass.net) Received: from stealth.ipass.net. (ppp-1-28.dialup.rdu.ipass.net [209.170.132.28]) by charon.ipass.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03422; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rhh@localhost) by stealth.ipass.net. (8.9.3/8.8.8) id KAA34095; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rhh) Message-Id: <200003181557.KAA34095@stealth.ipass.net.> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 10:57:20 -0500 (EST) From: aa8vb@ipass.net Reply-To: aa8vb@ipass.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: aa8vb@ipass.net X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/17470: Missing man page: pthread_yield Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 17470 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Missing man page: pthread_yield >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Mar 18 08:00:02 PST 2000 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Randall Hopper >Release: FreeBSD 3.4-RELEASE i386 >Organization: self >Environment: Stock 3.4-RELEASE. >Description: pthread_yield is apparently supported, though there is no man page. POSIX doesn't support this AFAIK but rather prefers sched_yield. If FreeBSD continues to support pthread_yield, we probably should add a man page. >How-To-Repeat: "/usr/bin/man pthread_yield" >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 8:47: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A5637B83E; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 08:46:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA67320; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:46:30 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:46:30 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Neil Blakey-Milner Cc: Nik Clayton , Jim Mock , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Weird stuff happening with the PPP chapter Message-ID: <20000318164630.A64103@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000317005024.A70734@luna.cdrom.com> <20000317104412.A40775@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20000317124906.A76665@mithrandr.moria.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000317124906.A76665@mithrandr.moria.org>; from Neil Blakey-Milner on Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 12:49:06PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 12:49:06PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > It's /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf's > Redirect /handbook/userppp.html line that's causing > the trouble. > > Tags due to mental confusion reading what I first wrote. Give that man a banana. I've just commented that line out and restarted Apache, and things now seem to be working properly. Thanks for spotting that Neil. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. For everything else, there's MasterCard. -- Graham Reed, in the Scary Devil Monastery To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 11: 4:35 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from luna.cdrom.com (adsl-63-192-209-55.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.192.209.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9217C37B942; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:04:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jim@luna.cdrom.com) Received: by luna.cdrom.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 13A46247; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:03:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 11:03:46 -0800 From: Jim Mock To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Weird stuff happening with the PPP chapter Message-ID: <20000318110346.A31534@luna.cdrom.com> Reply-To: jim@FreeBSD.org References: <20000317005024.A70734@luna.cdrom.com> <20000317104412.A40775@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20000317124906.A76665@mithrandr.moria.org> <20000318164630.A64103@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.9i In-Reply-To: <20000318164630.A64103@catkin.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 04:46:30PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 18 Mar 2000 at 16:46:30 +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Fri, Mar 17, 2000 at 12:49:06PM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote: > > It's /usr/local/etc/apache/httpd.conf's > > Redirect /handbook/userppp.html line that's > > causing the trouble. > > > > Tags due to mental confusion reading what I first wrote. > > Give that man a banana. I've just commented that line out and > restarted Apache, and things now seem to be working properly. Thanks for fixing that Nik. I have two changes for you too :-) This'll help fix the broken links scattered throughout the web site to current.html and stable.html that popped up after the rewrite of the cutting-edge chapter (I'm about to commit a patch to the cutting-edge chapter which will need these redirects). Redirect /handbook/current.html http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/current-stable.html#CURRENT Redirect /handbook/stable.html http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/current-stable.html#STABLE - jim -- - jim mock - walnut creek cdrom/freebsd test labs - jim@luna.cdrom.com - - phone: 1.925.691.2800 x.3814 - fax: 1.925.674.0821 - jim@FreeBSD.org - - editor - The FreeBSDzine - www.freebsdzine.org - jim@freebsdzine.org - To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 14:22:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from andrsn.stanford.edu (andrsn.Stanford.EDU [171.66.112.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9952137B62F for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrsn@andrsn.stanford.edu) Received: from localhost (andrsn@localhost.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]) by andrsn.stanford.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA58022 for ; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:19:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:19:36 -0800 (PST) From: Annelise Anderson To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Can't Build docproj on 4.0-RELEASE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Probably you already know this. This is a 4.0-RELEASE built from source upgrading a recent 3.4-STABLE. (The handbook in various formats available by ftp seems to be from August 15, 1999 as I recall; too old to be a reasonable alternative. Or are these regularly updated even though the directory date doesn't change?) Annelise Anyway, here's the error file: ===> Returning to build of w3m-0.1.7 ===> Patching for w3m-0.1.7 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for w3m-0.1.7 ===> Configuring for w3m-0.1.7 ===> Building for w3m-0.1.7 `Makefile' is up to date. awk '/^#ifdef makefile_parameter/,/^#else/' config.h | cat - XMakefile > XXMakefile make -f XXMakefile awk -f funcname1.awk funcname.tab > funcname1.h cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/include -I. -c main.c [snip] ar rv libindep.a Str.o indep.o regex.o textlist.o parsetag.o a - Str.o a - indep.o a - regex.o a - textlist.o a - parsetag.o ranlib libindep.a cc -O -pipe -I/usr/local/include -I. -o mktable mktable.o hash.o -L/usr/local/lib -L. -lindep -lgc -lm -lncurses ./mktable 100 tagtable.tab > tagtable.c Segmentation fault - core dumped *** Error code 139 Stop in /usr/ports/www/w3m/work/w3m. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/w3m/work/w3m. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/w3m. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/w3m. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/w3m. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/www/w3m. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/textproc/docproj. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 16:45:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98C3E37B506; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx ([209.138.203.143]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA21242; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:45:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200003190045.TAA21242@granger.mail.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20000317005024.A70734@luna.cdrom.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 19:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Jim Mock Subject: RE: Weird stuff happening with the PPP chapter Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org, nik@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 17-Mar-00 Jim Mock wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm seeing some really weird stuff with the handbook. My local copy, is > fine.. the FreeBSD.org copy is not. Here's a rundown.. > > o I browse to http://localhost/ and go to the ppp chapter. I click on > the title of that chapter 'PPP and SLIP'. It takes me to the main > page of the chapter with the Synopsis on it. I click the link to > 'User PPP' or 'Next' (down at the bottom) and it goes to userppp.html > as it should. No problem. So you have DOC=html-split in your makefile. > Here's where I (and a few others that have reported it to me) have the > problem. > > o I browse to http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/ and go to the ppp > chapter. I click the title of that chapter (as above) and it takes > me where it should (ppp-and-slip.html, same as above). I click on > the link to 'User PPP' or 'Next' here, and it goes to > ppp-and-slip.html#USERPPP, which basically just refreshes the > page. I can't get to userppp.html. It's using DOC=html, which just produces one mammoth book.html file instead of splitting it up into multiple files. That still doesn't explain why you are getting problems with the links though. Are you letting it fully download all of the page before clicking the link? If it hasn't downloaded all of the source, then it may not have the anchor tag for #USERPPP yet, in which case it won't find the anchor and won't seem to do anything when you click the link. > Can someone else try this? I'm really curious as to why the hell it's > doing this, and I'm at a total loss on what to fix to make it work on > the FreeBSD.org copy. Any feedback or results would be much appreciated. > > - jim -- John Baldwin -- http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Mar 18 17:24:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk [193.237.89.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEBED37B5F5; Sat, 18 Mar 2000 17:24:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA30888; Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:23:34 GMT (envelope-from nik) Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 01:23:33 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Jim Mock Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Weird stuff happening with the PPP chapter Message-ID: <20000319012333.A29499@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20000317005024.A70734@luna.cdrom.com> <20000317104412.A40775@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20000317124906.A76665@mithrandr.moria.org> <20000318164630.A64103@catkin.nothing-going-on.org> <20000318110346.A31534@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000318110346.A31534@luna.cdrom.com>; from Jim Mock on Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 11:03:46AM -0800 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 18, 2000 at 11:03:46AM -0800, Jim Mock wrote: > Thanks for fixing that Nik. I have two changes for you too :-) This'll > help fix the broken links scattered throughout the web site to > current.html and stable.html that popped up after the rewrite of the > cutting-edge chapter (I'm about to commit a patch to the cutting-edge > chapter which will need these redirects). > > Redirect /handbook/current.html http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/current-stable.html#CURRENT > Redirect /handbook/stable.html http://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/current-stable.html#STABLE Done. N -- Internet connection, $19.95 a month. Computer, $799.95. Modem, $149.95. Telephone line, $24.95 a month. Software, free. USENET transmission, hundreds if not thousands of dollars. Thinking before posting, priceless. Somethings in life you can't buy. 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