From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 30 4:23: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lynx.aba.net.au (lynx.esec.com.au [203.21.84.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3030737B53E for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 04:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from swun@esec.com.au) Received: (qmail 9017 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2000 11:22:41 -0000 Received: from melb-dialin26.esec.com.au (HELO esec.com.au) (203.25.253.90) by lynx.esec.com.au with SMTP; 30 Jul 2000 11:22:41 -0000 Message-ID: <39841050.64C0CA6D@esec.com.au> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:24:00 +1000 From: Q Organization: eSec Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD on Sun IPX workstation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can I install FreeBSD 4.1 in Sun IPX workstation? Thanks Sam. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 30 8:19:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.targetnet.com (mail.targetnet.com [207.245.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C04937B567 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:19:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from james@targetnet.com) Received: from james by mail.targetnet.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 13Iurr-000IhB-00; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:19:07 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:19:06 -0400 From: James FitzGibbon To: Brett Glass Cc: Greg Lehey , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000730111906.A71411@targetnet.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000729211116.04b48c80@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000729211116.04b48c80@localhost> <20000730130225.E65178@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000729215431.04b6ab40@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0pre1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000729215431.04b6ab40@localhost> Organization: Targetnet.com Inc. Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org * Brett Glass (brett@lariat.org) [000729 23:57]: > At 09:32 PM 7/29/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > > >You don't say which version of FreeBSD you're trying to install; maybe > >the problem is there. > > It's 4.1. > > >I have an Inspiron 7500, and I've used it with a number of different > >cards, including Linksys, and I haven't had problems. I'd guess that > >you have a card with slightly different ID, one which isn't in > >pccard.conf. > > Nope. I've tried two different cards. One of them is a 3Com which > is recognized by FreeBSD on every other machine with which I've > used it. The problem seems to be with PCMCIA. I had to use -current to install onto my Dell Inspiron 7000. The 3Com card that I tried first was Cardbus, and will not work. I changed to a Linksys EC2T 10 meg card, and everything has been fine. I've also used this unit with an Aironet wireless ethernet card. -- j. James FitzGibbon james@targetnet.com Targetnet.com Inc. Voice/Fax +1 416 306-0466/0452 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 30 9:40:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vinyl.sentex.ca (vinyl.sentex.ca [209.112.4.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52A8237B611 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:40:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.net (granite-atm.sentex.ca [209.112.4.1]) by vinyl.sentex.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA33679; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:40:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by granite.sentex.net (8.8.8/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA18774; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:40:10 -0400 (EDT) From: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) To: akorud@polynet.lviv.ua ("Andriy Korud") Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DLINK-DFE570TX Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:35:06 GMT Message-ID: <398458f0.445149641@mail.sentex.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 28 Jul 2000 07:18:32 -0400, in sentex.lists.freebsd.misc you wrote: >Hello all, > >Any success/fail stories about 4-port D-LINK DFE570TX + FreeBSD-4R? Works OK for me on 4.1STABLE. Be sure to shop around for a good price. I have seen quite a bit of variance in what people sell the thing for. ---Mike dc0: port 0xd000-0xd07f mem 0xe4003000-0xe40033ff irq 15 at device 4.0 on pci2 dc0: Ethernet address: 00:80:c8:c9:1a:d8 miibus0: on dc0 ukphy0: on miibus0 ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto dc1: port 0xd400-0xd47f mem 0xe4001000-0xe40013ff irq 11 at device 5.0 on pci2 dc1: Ethernet address: 00:80:c8:c9:1a:d9 miibus1: on dc1 ukphy1: on miibus1 ukphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto dc2: port 0xd800-0xd87f mem 0xe4000000-0xe40003ff irq 10 at device 6.0 on pci2 dc2: Ethernet address: 00:80:c8:c9:1a:da miibus2: on dc2 ukphy2: on miibus2 ukphy2: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto dc3: port 0xdc00-0xdc7f mem 0xe4002000-0xe40023ff irq 12 at device 7.0 on pci2 dc3: Ethernet address: 00:80:c8:c9:1a:db miibus3: on dc3 ukphy3: on miibus3 ukphy3: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto Mike Tancsa (mdtancsa@sentex.net) Sentex Communications Corp, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada "Given enough time, 100 monkeys on 100 routers could setup a national IP network." (KDW2) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 30 14:28:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gabriel.schoolpeople.net (gabriel.schoolpeople.net [216.34.170.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5016B37B74D for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:28:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) Received: from triangulata (cs2887-130.austin.rr.com [24.28.87.130]) by gabriel.schoolpeople.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA34906 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:28:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) Message-ID: <00c301bffa6d$c5318780$82571c18@austin.rr.com> From: "Brandon S. DeYoung" To: Subject: A couple questions about Ethernet Server adapters. Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:33:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BFFA43.DB68E220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BFFA43.DB68E220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all who wrote about the DLINK-DFE570TX. I had no idea quad = port NICs were so cheap.=20 According to Dlink's website the DFE570TX is capable of delivering a = bandwidth of 800 Mb/s. Is this just the marketing department distorting = the facts? Since 4 x 100 Mb =3D 400Mb I'm guessing they're referring to = full Duplex operation, i.e. 400Mb/s send + 400Mb/s receive =3D 800Mb/s?? = Also, how does one configure these things? Do you just set all the ports = to the same IP address, or is it more complicated than that? I read an article a while back about tuning Samba. In this article = they made a reference to "binding" one of the CPUs in an SMP machine to = the NIC. Is this possible under FreeBSD (4.1)? Can someone point me at a = URL which tells how to do it? So far my searches haven't turned up = anything useful. Thanks in advance, ~Brandon =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BFFA43.DB68E220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    Thanks to all who = wrote about=20 the DLINK-DFE570TX. I had no idea quad port NICs were so cheap. =
    According to Dlink's = website the=20 DFE570TX is capable of delivering a bandwidth of 800 Mb/s. Is this just = the=20 marketing department distorting the facts? Since 4 x 100 Mb =3D 400Mb = I'm guessing=20 they're referring to full Duplex operation, i.e. 400Mb/s send + 400Mb/s = receive=20 =3D 800Mb/s?? Also, how does one = configure these=20 things? Do you just set all the ports to the same IP address, or is it = more=20 complicated than that?
    I read an = article a=20 while back about tuning Samba. In this article they made a = reference to=20 "binding" one of the CPUs in an SMP machine to the NIC. Is this = possible=20 under FreeBSD (4.1)? Can someone point me at a URL which tells how to do = it? So=20 far my searches haven't turned up anything useful.
 
Thanks in advance,
~Brandon
  
------=_NextPart_000_00C0_01BFFA43.DB68E220-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Jul 30 15:16:59 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gabriel.schoolpeople.net (gabriel.schoolpeople.net [216.34.170.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D53337B67E for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 15:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) Received: from triangulata (cs2887-130.austin.rr.com [24.28.87.130]) by gabriel.schoolpeople.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA34979; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:16:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) Message-ID: <00dc01bffa74$89665a80$82571c18@austin.rr.com> From: "Brandon S. DeYoung" To: "Q" , References: <39841050.64C0CA6D@esec.com.au> Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Sun IPX workstation Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:21:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I know some people who have FreeBSD 3.3 running on a Sun E450 if that helps at all. ~Brandon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Q" To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 6:24 AM Subject: FreeBSD on Sun IPX workstation > Can I install FreeBSD 4.1 in Sun IPX workstation? > > Thanks > Sam. > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 31 6:50:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from vulcan.addy.com (vulcan.addy.com [208.11.142.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5753B37BAF0 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 06:50:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Received: from tomasa (freyes.static.inch.com [216.223.199.224]) by vulcan.addy.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA39465 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:50:33 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from fran@reyes.somos.net) Message-Id: <200007311350.JAA39465@vulcan.addy.com> From: "Francisco Reyes" To: "hardware@freebsd.org" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 08:32:38 -0400 Reply-To: "Francisco Reyes" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.10.2222) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Evergreen CPU replacements on FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I just got a catalog from a mail order vendor and they have some Evergreen Pentium upgrades. Do these work with FreeBSD? A 233Mhz is only $79. This would be a nice upgrade to my Pentium 100Mhz desktop since I have noticed that when making world the CPU is usually the bottleneck. If they work on FreeBSD would it be worth a $20 difference to go with a 333Mhz instead of a 233Mhz? I am also planning to upgrade from 32Mb to 64Mb. francisco Moderator of the Corporate BSD list http://www.egroups.com/group/BSD_Corporate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 31 17:36:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6795A37B78F; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:36:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Received: from temp19 (modem-117-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.117]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12676; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <00f501bffb51$07e47a40$752137cb@halenet.com.au> From: "Tim McCullagh" To: , , References: <000f01bffb29$48b64940$0b00a8c0@dle> Subject: Difficulty installing Release-4.1 from boot floppies Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:40:00 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi All Has anyone had any difficulty loading release 4.1 ? I have a Tyan Thunder Main board with 128 MB ram When I try and install it bypasses the kernel configuration and takes me straight to the /stand/sysinstall menu. There is also no keyboard support, therefore I am unable to complete an install. I have tried the boot floppies on another machine with a non ps2 keyboard and it worked fine. The machine I am trying to load to can run the boot floppies for release 4.0 without any difficulties. Has anyone else had similar difficulties with ps 2 keyboards on release 4.1 Thanks in advance Tim To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Jul 31 21:12:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from joe.halenet.com.au (joe.halenet.com.au [203.37.141.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47E937BE04; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:12:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Received: from temp19 (modem-117-st.halenet.com.au [203.55.33.117]) by joe.halenet.com.au (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA16687; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:38:51 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from timbo@halenet.com.au) Message-ID: <01d101bffb6f$26d68d80$752137cb@halenet.com.au> From: "Tim McCullagh" To: "Alan Batie" Cc: , , References: <000f01bffb29$48b64940$0b00a8c0@dle> <00f501bffb51$07e47a40$752137cb@halenet.com.au> <20000731182512.B17730@agora.rdrop.com> Subject: Re: Difficulty installing Release-4.1 from boot floppies Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:15:37 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Thanks for the feedback. Maybe my problem is hardware capability related. I have tried formating the HDD I have swaped HDD, I even tried booting from a release4.0 floppy to no avail. I know the floppies are ok (I think) because I used them on another compaq machine flawlessly as well. I have removed network cards changed cables etc and yet it still wants to pass over the kernel config and go straight to the /stand/sysinstall screen with no keyboard support I will create a new set of boot floppies and change the FDD regards Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Batie" To: "Tim McCullagh" Cc: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, 1 August 2000 11:25 Subject: Re: Difficulty installing Release-4.1 from boot floppies On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 10:40:00AM +1000, Tim McCullagh wrote: > Has anyone had any difficulty loading release 4.1 ? I just upgraded 4.0 -> 4.1 on an Asus PII motherboard and it went pretty flawlessly. The only problem I had was adding additional disks --- I had to go to single user mode before /stand/sysinstall would touch them. I suppose that's a safety/security compromise that's not unreasonable. -- Alan Batie ______ www.rdrop.com/users/alan Me alan@batie.org \ / www.qrd.org The Triangle PGPFP DE 3C 29 17 C0 49 7A \ / www.pgpi.com The Weird Numbers 27 40 A5 3C 37 4A DA 52 B9 \/ www.anti-spam.net NO SPAM! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 7: 1:32 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.nc.rr.com (fe1.southeast.rr.com [24.93.67.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79AE237B915; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 07:01:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tstromberg@rtci.com) Received: from sudden.detachment.org ([24.25.3.165]) by mail1.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:00:22 -0400 Received: from rtci.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sudden.detachment.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01473; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:00:19 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from tstromberg@rtci.com) Message-ID: <3986D7F3.35823C92@rtci.com> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 10:00:19 -0400 From: Thomas Stromberg Organization: Research Triangle Commerce, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.dk Subject: ATA100-7200rpm vs 10k-rpm SCSI for build box Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm currently trying to put together a personal workstation whose primary duty is compiling large projects (FreeBSD, mozilla, grass, etc.) under FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT. Im basically trying to get as much performance for builds as I can without going broke. So far this is what Im looking at: $--- 128M PC133 RAM $150 Asus A7V (w/ Promise ATA100 controller) $297 AMD Athlon 850 (still waiting for than price drop) $63 Tekram 390F UW-SCSI Controller (Symbios) $132 4.5G 10000RPM Seagate Cheetah or $97 IBM Deskstar 75GXP ATA-100 7200RPM 15G (DTLA) The question is, whats the real speed difference between a IBM 75GX (http://www.tweakmax.com/html/ibm75gxp/ibm-1.cfm) and ye old 10000RPM Cheetahs in FreeBSD? Id imagine the Cheetah is faster for compiles, but is the difference small enough that Id be better off spending the $100 I save on ATA100 and spend it on another 128M of RAM. I would of course be using the drive as one drive per channel w/ softupdates, noatime. Any advice, bonnie stats, or make world times would be appreciated. -- thomas r. stromberg : tstromberg@rtci.com senior systems administrator : http://www.afterthought.org/ research triangle commerce, inc. : 1.919.657.1317 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 8: 4: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3845337B979; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 08:03:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id RAA39454; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:03:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200008011503.RAA39454@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: ATA100-7200rpm vs 10k-rpm SCSI for build box In-Reply-To: <3986D7F3.35823C92@rtci.com> from Thomas Stromberg at "Aug 1, 2000 10:00:19 am" To: tstromberg@rtci.com (Thomas Stromberg) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:03:48 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Thomas Stromberg wrote: > > $--- 128M PC133 RAM > $150 Asus A7V (w/ Promise ATA100 controller) > $297 AMD Athlon 850 (still waiting for than price drop) > $63 Tekram 390F UW-SCSI Controller (Symbios) > $132 4.5G 10000RPM Seagate Cheetah > or > $97 IBM Deskstar 75GXP ATA-100 7200RPM 15G (DTLA) > > The question is, whats the real speed difference between a IBM 75GX > (http://www.tweakmax.com/html/ibm75gxp/ibm-1.cfm) and ye old 10000RPM > Cheetahs in FreeBSD? Id imagine the Cheetah is faster for compiles, but > is the difference small enough that Id be better off spending the $100 I > save on ATA100 and spend it on another 128M of RAM. I would of course be > using the drive as one drive per channel w/ softupdates, noatime. > > Any advice, bonnie stats, or make world times would be appreciated. Hmm, I have an Abit KA7-100 (thanks to Trent George!) here with IBM 75GXP drives on it (btw the KA7-100 is a VERY nice board) so I will give it a shot on bonnie and world later today to give you some numbers. I would go for the ATA setup and extra RAM but I'm biased :) PS I have ATA100 support for the HPT370 used on the KA7-100 running, but I haven't gotten to the Promise Ultra100 lying here next to me yet, watch -current for updates on it... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 10:13:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.over.ru (over.rinet.ru [195.54.192.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C591437BFAF for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:13:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tarkhil@mail.over.ru) Received: (qmail 52202 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Aug 2000 17:13:16 -0000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:13:16 +0400 From: Alex Povolotsky To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: ORBs Message-ID: <20000801211316.B51726@mail.over.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello! I'm looking at Castlewood's ORB drive, with SCSI and USB-to-SCSI adapter. Did anyone try to attach it to FreeBSD box? Alex. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 10:45:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hand.dotat.at (sfo-gw.covalent.net [207.44.198.62]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EC8D37B51C; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:45:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fanf@dotat.at) Received: from fanf by hand.dotat.at with local (Exim 3.15 #3) id 13Jg61-0002tJ-00; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:44:53 +0000 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:44:52 +0000 From: Tony Finch To: Thomas Stromberg Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.dk Subject: Re: ATA100-7200rpm vs 10k-rpm SCSI for build box Message-ID: <20000801174452.C10991@hand.dotat.at> References: <3986D7F3.35823C92@rtci.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <3986D7F3.35823C92@rtci.com> Organization: Covalent Technologies, Inc Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thomas Stromberg wrote: > >$132 4.5G 10000RPM Seagate Cheetah >or >$97 IBM Deskstar 75GXP ATA-100 7200RPM 15G (DTLA) > >The question is, whats the real speed difference between a IBM 75GX >(http://www.tweakmax.com/html/ibm75gxp/ibm-1.cfm) and ye old 10000RPM >Cheetahs in FreeBSD? Check the numbers for the seek times as well. Tony. -- en oeccget g mtcaa f.a.n.finch v spdlkishrhtewe y dot@dotat.at eatp o v eiti i d. fanf@covalent.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 10:52:47 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-42.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962EC37BFC3 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:52:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA02343; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:03:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008011803.LAA02343@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Brett Glass Cc: Greg Lehey , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:56:12 MDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000729215431.04b6ab40@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 11:03:08 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >I have an Inspiron 7500, and I've used it with a number of different > >cards, including Linksys, and I haven't had problems. I'd guess that > >you have a card with slightly different ID, one which isn't in > >pccard.conf. > > Nope. I've tried two different cards. One of them is a 3Com which > is recognized by FreeBSD on every other machine with which I've > used it. The problem seems to be with PCMCIA. Power the machine down before booting FreeBSD. Windows leaves the pcic in CardBus mode. Apart from this, all of the pcic's in currently-shipping Inspirons are supported, and the inspiron BIOS leaves them in pcic mode at power-up (but doesn't reset them when you reboot) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 11:30:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-10.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B39437BA12; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.14 #2) id 13Jgny-0002v1-00; Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:30:18 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA91798; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:14:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 20:14:50 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Soren Schmidt Cc: Thomas Stromberg , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ATA100-7200rpm vs 10k-rpm SCSI for build box Message-ID: <20000801201450.C91677@freebie.demon.nl> Reply-To: wilko@freebsd.org References: <3986D7F3.35823C92@rtci.com> <200008011503.RAA39454@freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200008011503.RAA39454@freebsd.dk>; from sos@freebsd.dk on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:03:48PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 05:03:48PM +0200, Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Thomas Stromberg wrote: > > > > $--- 128M PC133 RAM > > $150 Asus A7V (w/ Promise ATA100 controller) > > $297 AMD Athlon 850 (still waiting for than price drop) > > $63 Tekram 390F UW-SCSI Controller (Symbios) > > $132 4.5G 10000RPM Seagate Cheetah > > or > > $97 IBM Deskstar 75GXP ATA-100 7200RPM 15G (DTLA) > > > > The question is, whats the real speed difference between a IBM 75GX > > (http://www.tweakmax.com/html/ibm75gxp/ibm-1.cfm) and ye old 10000RPM > > Cheetahs in FreeBSD? Id imagine the Cheetah is faster for compiles, but > > is the difference small enough that Id be better off spending the $100 I > > save on ATA100 and spend it on another 128M of RAM. I would of course be > > using the drive as one drive per channel w/ softupdates, noatime. > > > > Any advice, bonnie stats, or make world times would be appreciated. > > Hmm, I have an Abit KA7-100 (thanks to Trent George!) here with > IBM 75GXP drives on it (btw the KA7-100 is a VERY nice board) Right, I second that one. KA7 works just fine for me. And it has a useful (to me) ISA slot instead of a worthles win-modem slot (forgot the abbrev). I don't have the KA7-100, don't use any ATA stuff here, only SCSI. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 11:39:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp4-cm.mail.eni.net (smtp4a-cm.mail.eni.net [216.133.226.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F41537B862 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:39:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbarr@expi.com) Received: from barney ([216.132.191.7]) by smtp4-cm.mail.eni.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA08392 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 11:39:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000c01bffc01$27bc9360$0700000a@barney> From: "Blake Barr" To: Subject: 15,000RPM SCSI VS. IBM 75GXP ATA100 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:40:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFFBC6.794DC720" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFFBC6.794DC720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable will I see a huge difference in performance between the Seagate = 15,000RPM Ultra/160 drives vs. the ATA100 IBM drives at 7200RPM for non = server applications, and would the difference be worth the apprx. $400 = price difference? ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFFBC6.794DC720 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
will I see a huge difference in = performance between=20 the Seagate 15,000RPM Ultra/160 drives vs. the ATA100 IBM drives at = 7200RPM for=20 non server applications, and would the difference be worth the apprx. = $400 price=20 difference?
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFFBC6.794DC720-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 14:43:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07EB37BE60; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 14:43:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA09455; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:43:42 -0600 To: Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Greg Lehey , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200008011803.LAA02343@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:03 PM 8/1/2000, Mike Smith wrote: >Power the machine down before booting FreeBSD. Windows leaves the pcic in >CardBus mode. The machine came with Linux; Windows has never been installed on it. The install was from a cold boot. > Apart from this, all of the pcic's in currently-shipping >Inspirons are supported, and the inspiron BIOS leaves them in pcic mode at >power-up (but doesn't reset them when you reboot) As I mentioned in another message, the problem seems to be allocation of interrupts. On a machine where IRQ's 5 and 11 are taken by the sound hardware, and the pcic itself uses IRQ 10, none of the options in /stand/sysinstall leaves an IRQ available for cards plugged into the socket. /stand/sysinstall should offer a choice of any two uncommitted interrupts for the cards. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 18:16:43 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from msgbas1tx.cos.agilent.com (msgbas1tx.cos.agilent.com [192.6.9.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CF937BFAB; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:16:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darrylo@soco.agilent.com) Received: from andom1.an.hp.com (andom1.an.hp.com [15.4.128.104]) by msgbas1tx.cos.agilent.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59911551; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:16:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (mina.soco.agilent.com [141.121.54.157]) by andom1.an.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18CE56C1; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mina.soco.agilent.com (darrylo@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mina.soco.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 SMKit7.0) with ESMTP id SAA15805; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:16:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> To: Brett Glass Cc: Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Reply-To: Darryl Okahata In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 2000 15:43:42 MDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.5) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:16:34 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: > At 12:03 PM 8/1/2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > >Power the machine down before booting FreeBSD. Windows leaves the pcic in > >CardBus mode. Warner fixed this in 4.0-STABLE around May 29th. You shouldn't have to power down if you are running a recent -STABLE (I imagine it should also be fixed in 4.1, but I haven't verified this). I occasionally boot into Win98, and I no longer have to power down when booting back into FreeBSD (I'm using an old June 1 4.0-STABLE, though). > As I mentioned in another message, the problem seems to be allocation of > interrupts. On a machine where IRQ's 5 and 11 are taken by the sound > hardware, and the pcic itself uses IRQ 10, none of the options in Whatever you have, it's not an Inspiron 7500-clone. The sound on the 7500 uses only one IRQ (#5). You could try using polling mode for the pcic. That should free up IRQ 10. Also, go into the BIOS and disable everything that you don't use. On my 7500, I've disabled the IR port and the parallel port. You also haven't provided a (verbose, preferably) dmesg, which is pretty much mandatory if you want help for these problems. -- Darryl Okahata darrylo@soco.agilent.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion, or policy of Agilent Technologies, or of the little green men that have been following him all day. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 18:34:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D3C37BAFE; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 18:34:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA70320; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:04:07 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 11:04:07 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Darryl Okahata Cc: Brett Glass , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com>; from darrylo@soco.agilent.com on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 06:16:34PM -0700 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 1 August 2000 at 18:16:34 -0700, Darryl Okahata wrote: > Brett Glass wrote: >> As I mentioned in another message, the problem seems to be allocation of >> interrupts. On a machine where IRQ's 5 and 11 are taken by the sound >> hardware, and the pcic itself uses IRQ 10, none of the options in > > Whatever you have, it's not an Inspiron 7500-clone. The sound on > the 7500 uses only one IRQ (#5). > > You could try using polling mode for the pcic. That should free up > IRQ 10. Also, go into the BIOS and disable everything that you don't > use. On my 7500, I've disabled the IR port and the parallel port. IRQ 9 is available on the 7500. I use it for the Ethernet card. I don't see anything on 10. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Aug 1 22:21:15 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E9437B9FB; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:21:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13771; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 23:20:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000801231512.046c0650@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:20:56 -0600 To: Darryl Okahata From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Mike Smith , Greg Lehey , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:16 PM 8/1/2000, Darryl Okahata wrote: > Whatever you have, it's not an Inspiron 7500-clone. The sound on >the 7500 uses only one IRQ (#5). > > You could try using polling mode for the pcic. That should free up >IRQ 10. Also, go into the BIOS and disable everything that you don't >use. On my 7500, I've disabled the IR port and the parallel port. > > You also haven't provided a (verbose, preferably) dmesg, which is >pretty much mandatory if you want help for these problems. Here's a dmesg. Note that I've forced the pcic to IRQ 9. The default was 10, and since 5 and 11 are committed (5 to the sound card, 11 to video) leaving it at 10 would leave no IRQ for ep0. In short, if I did the standard install from floppies, the machine couldn't allocate an IRQ for the Ethernet card and therefore couldn't complete the install. I don't understand why it's so restrictive about the IRQs it will allow to be used for PCMCIA. --Brett Copyright (c) 1992-2000 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Jul 27 04:44:16 GMT 2000 root@usw4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (497.84-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x681 Stepping = 1 Features=0x383f9ff real memory = 67043328 (65472K bytes) config> di sio1 config> di sn0 config> di lnc0 config> di le0 config> di ie0 config> di fe0 config> di cs0 config> di bt0 config> di aic0 config> di aha0 config> di adv0 config> en pcic0 config> po pcic0 0x3e0 config> ir pcic0 9 config> iom pcic0 0xd0000 config> f pcic0 0 config> en ed0 config> po ed0 0x280 config> ir ed0 10 config> iom ed0 0xd8000 config> f ed0 0 config> q avail memory = 61087744 (59656K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc040d000. Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc040d09c. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 pcic-pci0: at device 4.0 on pci0 pcic-pci0: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [ring enable][speaker enable][pwr save][FUNC pci int + CSC serial isa irq] pcic-pci1: at device 4.1 on pci0 pcic-pci1: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [ring enable][speaker enable][pwr save][FUNC pci int + CSC serial isa irq] isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0x1050-0x105f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 uhci0: port 0x1060-0x107f irq 5 at device 7.2 on pci0 usb0: on uhci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered uhub0: port 1 power on failed, IOERROR uhub0: port 2 power on failed, IOERROR chip1: port 0x1040-0x104f at device 7.3 on pci0 chip2: port 0x1400-0x14ff irq 5 at device 8.0 on pci0 pci0: (vendor=0x11c1, dev=0x0449) at 16.0 irq 5 fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 irq 9 drq 0 on isa0 pcic0: management irq 9 pccard0: on pcic0 pccard1: on pcic0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppi0: on ppbus0 lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port plip0: on ppbus0 pccard: card inserted, slot 0 ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr ata1-slave: identify failed ad0: 11513MB [23392/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 acd0: DVD-ROM at ata1-master using PIO4 Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a logo_saver: no suitable graphics mode module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (logo_saver, c0d6fa60, 0) error 19 ep0: <3Com Etherlink III 3C589> at port 0x240-0x24f irq 10 slot 0 on pccard0 ep0: Ethernet address 0a:0b:0c:0d:0e:0f To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 0:42:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E82237B6D7; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 00:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA35151; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:12:19 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:12:19 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000802171219.L36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801231512.046c0650@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000801231512.046c0650@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 11:20:56PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 1 August 2000 at 23:20:56 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 07:16 PM 8/1/2000, Darryl Okahata wrote: > >> Whatever you have, it's not an Inspiron 7500-clone. The sound on >> the 7500 uses only one IRQ (#5). >> >> You could try using polling mode for the pcic. That should free up >> IRQ 10. Also, go into the BIOS and disable everything that you don't >> use. On my 7500, I've disabled the IR port and the parallel port. >> >> You also haven't provided a (verbose, preferably) dmesg, which is >> pretty much mandatory if you want help for these problems. > > Here's a dmesg. Note that I've forced the pcic to IRQ 9. The default was > 10, and since 5 and 11 are committed (5 to the sound card, 11 to video) > leaving it at 10 would leave no IRQ for ep0. You could have used IRQ 9. I do. > In short, if I did the standard install from floppies, the machine > couldn't allocate an IRQ for the Ethernet card and therefore > couldn't complete the install. I don't understand why it's so > restrictive about the IRQs it will allow to be used for PCMCIA. Hmm. Why are you installing from floppy? > FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Jul 27 04:44:16 GMT 2000 > root@usw4.freebsd.org:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC > Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz > CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (497.84-MHz 686-class CPU) > Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x681 Stepping = 1 > Features=0x383f9ff > real memory = 67043328 (65472K bytes) > avail memory = 61087744 (59656K bytes) > Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc040d000. > Preloaded userconfig_script "/boot/kernel.conf" at 0xc040d09c. > Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled > md0: Malloc disk > npx0: on motherboard > npx0: INT 16 interface > pcib0: on motherboard > pci0: on pcib0 > pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 > pci1: on pcib1 > pci1: at 0.0 irq 11 > pcic-pci0: at device 4.0 on pci0 > pcic-pci0: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [ring enable][speaker enable][pwr save][FUNC pci int + CSC serial isa irq] > pcic-pci1: at device 4.1 on pci0 > pcic-pci1: TI12XX PCI Config Reg: [ring enable][speaker enable][pwr save][FUNC pci int + CSC serial isa irq] > isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 > isa0: on isab0 > atapci0: port 0x1050-0x105f at device 7.1 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > uhci0: port 0x1060-0x107f irq 5 at device 7.2 on pci0 > usb0: on uhci0 > usb0: USB revision 1.0 > uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 > uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered > uhub0: port 1 power on failed, IOERROR > uhub0: port 2 power on failed, IOERROR > chip1: port 0x1040-0x104f at device 7.3 on pci0 > chip2: port 0x1400-0x14ff irq 5 at device 8.0 on pci0 > pci0: (vendor=0x11c1, dev=0x0449) at 16.0 irq 5 > fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 > fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold > fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 > atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 > atkbd0: flags 0x1 irq 1 on atkbdc0 > kbd0 at atkbd0 > psm0: irq 12 on atkbdc0 > psm0: model Generic PS/2 mouse, device ID 0 > vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 > sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 > sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> > pcic0: at port 0x3e0 iomem 0xd0000 irq 9 drq 0 on isa0 > pcic0: management irq 9 Here's the first difference from the dmesg from my 7500. I'm using pcic0 in polling mode, as some others have suggested. > pccard0: on pcic0 > pccard1: on pcic0 > sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 flags 0x10 on isa0 > sio0: type 16550A > ppc0: at port 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa0 > ppc0: Generic chipset (EPP/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode > ppi0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: on ppbus0 > lpt0: Interrupt-driven port > plip0: on ppbus0 At this point, I get the following additional messages: + unknown0: at port 0x80 iomem 0xfff80000-0xffffffff on isa0 + unknown1: at iomem 0-0x9ffff,0xe8000-0xfffff,0x100000-0x7ffffff on isa0 + unknown2: at port 0-0xf,0x81-0x8f,0xc0-0xdf drq 4 on isa0 + unknown: can't assign resources + unknown3: at port 0x40-0x43 irq 0 on isa0 + unknown4: at port 0x70-0x71 irq 8 on isa0 + unknown: can't assign resources + npxisa0: at port 0xf0-0xff irq 13 on isa0 + unknown5: at port 0x61 on isa0 + unknown6: at port 0xcf8-0xcff on isa0 + unknown7: at port 0x4d0-0x4d1,0x1000-0x103f,0x1040-0x104f,0x10-0x18,0x1f,0x24-0x25,0x28-0x29,0x2c-0x2d,0x30-0x31,0x34-0x35,0x38-0x39,0x3c-0x3d,0x50-0x52,0x72-0x77,0x90-0x9f,0xa4-0xa5,0xa8-0xa9,0xac-0xad,0xb0-0xbd on isa0 + unknown8: at iomem 0xdc000-0xdffff on isa0 + unknown9: on isa0 + unknown: can't assign resources + unknown: can't assign resources + unknown: can't assign resources This may be because this is 5-CURRENT. It obviously doesn't change very much. > pccard: card inserted, slot 0 > ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr > ata1-slave: identify failed > ad0: 11513MB [23392/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 > acd0: DVD-ROM at ata1-master using PIO4 > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s1a > logo_saver: no suitable graphics mode > module_register_init: MOD_LOAD (logo_saver, c0d6fa60, 0) error 19 > ep0: <3Com Etherlink III 3C589> at port 0x240-0x24f irq 10 slot 0 on pccard0 > ep0: Ethernet address 0a:0b:0c:0d:0e:0f OK, this looks pretty much like the Inspiron 7500. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 6:27:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.ocsny.com (apollo.ocsny.com [204.107.76.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8F037B649 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:27:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (ppp-003.ocsny.com [204.107.76.30]) by apollo.ocsny.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA62586 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <398823BC.32411C8B@ocsny.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:35:56 -0400 From: Mikel Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,it MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fBSD-hw Subject: ata raid? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------36C64A82198B37B8A1AE05A8" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------36C64A82198B37B8A1AE05A8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone tried, an coincidentally gotten to work, any IDE raid controllers. Also are there any compatability issues for ide drives 30gb and over? thanks in advance... -- Cheers, Mikel +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc http://www.ocsny.com | 39 W14th Street, Suite 203 212 727 2238 x132 | New York, NY 10011 +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ --------------36C64A82198B37B8A1AE05A8 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikel.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mikel Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikel.vcf" begin:vcard n:King;Mikel tel;fax:2124638402 tel;home:http://www.upan.org tel;work:2127272100 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Optimized Computer Solutions version:2.1 email;internet:mikel@ocsny.com title:Director of Network Operations & Technology adr;quoted-printable:;;39 W14th St.=0D=0ASte 203;New York;NY;10011;US note;quoted-printable:fBSD, PHP, MySql and OCS Rule!!!=0D=0A=0D=0AGoal is to be MS free by the end of 2k. x-mozilla-cpt:;7312 fn:Mikel King end:vcard --------------36C64A82198B37B8A1AE05A8-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 6:50:44 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.ocsny.com (apollo.ocsny.com [204.107.76.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6364037B957 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:50:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (ppp-003.ocsny.com [204.107.76.30]) by apollo.ocsny.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA63453; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39882935.932943D2@ocsny.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:59:17 -0400 From: Mikel Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,it MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blake Barr Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 15,000RPM SCSI VS. IBM 75GXP ATA100 References: <000c01bffc01$27bc9360$0700000a@barney> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------79C20FBF9AE011259136CA88" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------79C20FBF9AE011259136CA88 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------1021BB0C7E07BC5141792175" --------------1021BB0C7E07BC5141792175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally I would say it all depends upon the intended application. A web server with a dbms back end possibly scsi, a firewall/dsl gateway ide, mail or fileserver probably ide if it's for a small office or home use. Anyway those are just some thoughts...look at it like this home/small office ide for sure...moderate to large business most likely scsi. Blake Barr wrote: > will I see a huge difference in performance between the Seagate > 15,000RPM Ultra/160 drives vs. the ATA100 IBM drives at 7200RPM for > non server applications, and would the difference be worth the apprx. > $400 price difference? -- Cheers, Mikel +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc http://www.ocsny.com | 39 W14th Street, Suite 203 212 727 2238 x132 | New York, NY 10011 +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ --------------1021BB0C7E07BC5141792175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally I would say it all depends upon the intended application. A web server with a dbms back end possibly scsi, a firewall/dsl gateway ide, mail or fileserver probably ide if it's for a small office or home use. Anyway those are just some thoughts...look at it like this home/small office ide for sure...moderate to large business most likely scsi.

Blake Barr wrote:

will I see a huge difference in performance between the Seagate 15,000RPM Ultra/160 drives vs. the ATA100 IBM drives at 7200RPM for non server applications, and would the difference be worth the apprx. $400 price difference?

--
Cheers,
Mikel
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
| Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc        http://www.ocsny.com
| 39 W14th Street, Suite 203                   212 727 2238  x132
| New York, NY 10011
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  --------------1021BB0C7E07BC5141792175-- --------------79C20FBF9AE011259136CA88 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikel.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mikel Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikel.vcf" begin:vcard n:King;Mikel tel;fax:2124638402 tel;home:http://www.upan.org tel;work:2127272100 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Optimized Computer Solutions version:2.1 email;internet:mikel@ocsny.com title:Director of Network Operations & Technology adr;quoted-printable:;;39 W14th St.=0D=0ASte 203;New York;NY;10011;US note;quoted-printable:fBSD, PHP, MySql and OCS Rule!!!=0D=0A=0D=0AGoal is to be MS free by the end of 2k. x-mozilla-cpt:;7312 fn:Mikel King end:vcard --------------79C20FBF9AE011259136CA88-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 6:58:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from apollo.ocsny.com (apollo.ocsny.com [204.107.76.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE11337B56D for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mikel@ocsny.com) Received: from ocsny.com (ppp-003.ocsny.com [204.107.76.30]) by apollo.ocsny.com (8.9.2/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA63761; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39882AFD.1E2264F@ocsny.com> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 10:06:53 -0400 From: Mikel Organization: Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,it MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blake Barr , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 15,000RPM SCSI VS. IBM 75GXP ATA100 References: <000c01bffc01$27bc9360$0700000a@barney> <39882935.932943D2@ocsny.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------72D7BDEEF6122AD653BD5E87" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------72D7BDEEF6122AD653BD5E87 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------88CD8001886F9C6C8287CE89" --------------88CD8001886F9C6C8287CE89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry I meant 15krpm not scsi...7200rpm should be fine for almost anything you can through at it...yes even some served applications... Mikel wrote: > Personally I would say it all depends upon the intended application. A > web server with a dbms back end possibly scsi, a firewall/dsl gateway > ide, mail or fileserver probably ide if it's for a small office or > home use. Anyway those are just some thoughts...look at it like this > home/small office ide for sure...moderate to large business most > likely scsi. > > Blake Barr wrote: > >> will I see a huge difference in performance between the Seagate >> 15,000RPM Ultra/160 drives vs. the ATA100 IBM drives at 7200RPM for >> non server applications, and would the difference be worth the >> apprx. $400 price difference? > -- Cheers, Mikel +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ | Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc http://www.ocsny.com | 39 W14th Street, Suite 203 212 727 2238 x132 | New York, NY 10011 +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ --------------88CD8001886F9C6C8287CE89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry I meant 15krpm not scsi...7200rpm should be fine for almost anything you can through at it...yes even some served applications...

Mikel wrote:

Personally I would say it all depends upon the intended application. A web server with a dbms back end possibly scsi, a firewall/dsl gateway ide, mail or fileserver probably ide if it's for a small office or home use. Anyway those are just some thoughts...look at it like this home/small office ide for sure...moderate to large business most likely scsi.

Blake Barr wrote:

will I see a huge difference in performance between the Seagate 15,000RPM Ultra/160 drives vs. the ATA100 IBM drives at 7200RPM for non server applications, and would the difference be worth the apprx. $400 price difference?
--
Cheers,
Mikel
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
| Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc        http://www.ocsny.com
| 39 W14th Street, Suite 203                   212 727 2238  x132
| New York, NY 10011
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+
  --------------88CD8001886F9C6C8287CE89-- --------------72D7BDEEF6122AD653BD5E87 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="mikel.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Mikel Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mikel.vcf" begin:vcard n:King;Mikel tel;fax:2124638402 tel;home:http://www.upan.org tel;work:2127272100 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Optimized Computer Solutions version:2.1 email;internet:mikel@ocsny.com title:Director of Network Operations & Technology adr;quoted-printable:;;39 W14th St.=0D=0ASte 203;New York;NY;10011;US note;quoted-printable:fBSD, PHP, MySql and OCS Rule!!!=0D=0A=0D=0AGoal is to be MS free by the end of 2k. x-mozilla-cpt:;7312 fn:Mikel King end:vcard --------------72D7BDEEF6122AD653BD5E87-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 8: 7: 4 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2194037BA59 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:06:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) Received: from lfarr (daisy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA31130 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:06:48 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk) Reply-To: From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Subject: RE: ata raid? Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:06:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <398823BC.32411C8B@ocsny.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Not as yet! This is on 4.1 ad0: 73308MB [148945/16/63] at ata0-master using UDMA33 ad1: 73308MB [158874/15/63] at ata0-slave using UDMA33 Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mikel > Sent: 02 August 2000 14:36 > To: fBSD-hw > Subject: ata raid? > > > Has anyone tried, an coincidentally gotten to work, any IDE raid > controllers. Also are there any compatability issues for ide drives 30gb > and over? > > thanks in advance... > > -- > Cheers, > Mikel > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > | Optimized Computer Solutions, Inc http://www.ocsny.com > | 39 W14th Street, Suite 203 212 727 2238 x132 > | New York, NY 10011 > +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~+ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 13:12:56 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193AB37BF40; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21118; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:12:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:12:11 -0600 To: Greg Lehey , Darryl Okahata From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 07:34 PM 8/1/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >IRQ 9 is available on the 7500. I use it for the Ethernet card. I >don't see anything on 10. Greg, you're not following what I said. When the FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE GENERIC kernel boots, it gives IRQ 10 to the pcic and 11 to the video controller. 5 is dedicated to the ESS sound chip and can't be changed. During the install process, /stand/sysinstall offers the user three sets of IRQs for the cards plugged into the PCMCIA sockets. The choices are: 1) 5 and 10 2) 10 and 11 3) 11 only Because 5, 10, and 11 are all allocated, none of these choices works. PCMCIA cards can't be used unless you relocate devices to other IRQs during the pre-boot kernel configuration. This is something that new users won't know how to do, and /stand/sysinstall gives them no help. After a little head scratching, I figured out that I could move the pcic to IRQ 9 and free up IRQ 10, then pick a choice in /stand/sysinstall that included IRQ 10. I would then get one IRQ for a PCMCIA card, and the ep0 driver (for the 3Com PCMCIA card) grabbed it. Only in this way could I do a network install of FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 13:15:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9C437BBAB; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:15:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21139; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:15:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802141320.046d1ca0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:14:54 -0600 To: Greg Lehey From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000802171219.L36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000801231512.046c0650@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801231512.046c0650@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:42 AM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >Hmm. Why are you installing from floppy? Because I want some things that wouldn't be on CD-ROM. The easiest way to install everything from one source is to do a net install. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 13:42:30 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D38E37BD18; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:42:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA21484; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:42:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802143811.0517eee0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:42:04 -0600 To: Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Greg Lehey , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200008022048.NAA01799@mass.osd.bsdi.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 02:48 PM 8/2/2000, Mike Smith wrote: >> Because I want some things that wouldn't be on >> CD-ROM. The easiest way to install everything from one >> source is to do a net install. > >This is bollocks. You can change the media during the install, not to >mention rebooting if you're so wrought up over the pccard issues and then >resuming installing afterwards. There should be no need to do this. It should be easy and painless to do a complete, straight-through network install. What's more, the problems with PCMCIA cards aren't limited to network cards. NO card will work properly by default on such a machine, either during installation or afterward. This does not make FreeBSD look good on portables. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 15: 0:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mass.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF9137B72B for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 15:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01799; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:48:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008022048.NAA01799@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Brett Glass Cc: Greg Lehey , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 14:14:54 MDT." <4.3.2.7.2.20000802141320.046d1ca0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 13:48:14 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > At 01:42 AM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > > >Hmm. Why are you installing from floppy? > > Because I want some things that wouldn't be on > CD-ROM. The easiest way to install everything from one > source is to do a net install. This is bollocks. You can change the media during the install, not to mention rebooting if you're so wrought up over the pccard issues and then resuming installing afterwards. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 16:29:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mass.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43F837B5F4 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:29:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01470; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:39:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008022339.QAA01470@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mikel Cc: fBSD-hw Subject: Re: ata raid? In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 09:35:56 EDT." <398823BC.32411C8B@ocsny.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 16:39:45 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Has anyone tried, an coincidentally gotten to work, any IDE raid > controllers. Also are there any compatability issues for ide drives 30gb > and over? http://people.freebsd.org/~msmith/RAID/index.html#3ware -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 16:53: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hercules.mcs.drexel.edu (hercules.mcs.drexel.edu [129.25.5.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BCD437BD00 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 16:53:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lint@hercules.mcs.drexel.edu) Received: from lyra.mcs.drexel.edu (lyra.mcs.drexel.edu [129.25.5.153]) by hercules.mcs.drexel.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93CFD53513 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 19:52:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Green Screen X-Sender: lint@lyra.mcs.drexel.edu To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: IEEE 1394 support? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org what's the status of 1394 support as of 4.1 ? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 17:13:26 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D772037B523; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:13:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA74887; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:43:07 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:43:07 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000803094307.Q36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 02:12:11PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 14:12:11 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 07:34 PM 8/1/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> IRQ 9 is available on the 7500. I use it for the Ethernet card. I >> don't see anything on 10. > > Greg, you're not following what I said. Yes I am. > When the FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE GENERIC kernel boots, it gives IRQ 10 > to the pcic and 11 to the video controller. 5 is dedicated to the > ESS sound chip and can't be changed. Understood. You'll need to change your /etc/pccard.conf. I never said that we don't need to look at /stand/sysinstall. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 17:17:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B01E37B9F7; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:17:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA76757; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:47:18 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:47:18 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass , Mike Smith Cc: Darryl Okahata , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000803094718.R36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802141320.046d1ca0@localhost> <200008022048.NAA01799@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802143811.0517eee0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802141320.046d1ca0@localhost> <200008022048.NAA01799@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 02:12:11PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 13:48:14 -0700, Mike Smith wrote: >> At 01:42 AM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >>> Hmm. Why are you installing from floppy? >> >> Because I want some things that wouldn't be on >> CD-ROM. The easiest way to install everything from one >> source is to do a net install. > > This is bollocks. You can change the media during the install, not to > mention rebooting if you're so wrought up over the pccard issues and then > resuming installing afterwards. On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 14:42:04 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 02:48 PM 8/2/2000, Mike Smith wrote: > >>> Because I want some things that wouldn't be on >>> CD-ROM. The easiest way to install everything from one >>> source is to do a net install. >> >> This is bollocks. You can change the media during the install, not to >> mention rebooting if you're so wrought up over the pccard issues and then >> resuming installing afterwards. > > There should be no need to do this. It should be easy and painless > to do a complete, straight-through network install. > > What's more, the problems with PCMCIA cards aren't limited to network > cards. NO card will work properly by default on such a machine, either > during installation or afterward. This does not make FreeBSD look good > on portables. You people are confusing two things: 1. Allegedly ("I haven't checked it myself"), sysinstall doesn't give you complete control over the choice of IRQs. This is a problem. 2. There's no reason ever for a net install if you have the CD-ROM. Even if you don't have the CD-ROM, nowadays it's easier to get an ISO from an ftp site and do it that way. On the whole, though, I think you're (Brett) making it harder for yourself than necessary. We've explained in minute detail what you need to do; why don't you just do it? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 17:19:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A5837C0F8 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:19:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA20200; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:19:26 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:19:26 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Green Screen Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: IEEE 1394 support? Message-ID: <20000802171926.A20146@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: ; from lint@hercules.mcs.drexel.edu on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:52:59PM -0400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 07:52:59PM -0400, Green Screen wrote: > what's the status of 1394 support as of 4.1 ? There isn't any built in. There is some unintigrated code at: ftp://ftp.uec.ac.jp/pub/firewire/ -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 17:52:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8FB37B5EA; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:52:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24026; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:52:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:52:32 -0600 To: Greg Lehey From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000803094307.Q36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:13 PM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 14:12:11 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: >> At 07:34 PM 8/1/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >> >>> IRQ 9 is available on the 7500. I use it for the Ethernet card. I >>> don't see anything on 10. >> >> Greg, you're not following what I said. > >Yes I am. > >> When the FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE GENERIC kernel boots, it gives IRQ 10 >> to the pcic and 11 to the video controller. 5 is dedicated to the >> ESS sound chip and can't be changed. > >Understood. You'll need to change your /etc/pccard.conf. Most users will not know how to do this. The PC Card software should, by default, choose available interrupts for PC Cards by default. Otherwise, even if he or she installs from the CD, the user will be left without the ability to use any PC Card that requires interrupts. That person will likely conclude that FreeBSD does not run properly on his or her laptop. Odds are that person will ditch FreeBSD in favor of Red Hat or another distribution of Linux which does not have this problem. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 17:54:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACFCE37B6BC; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:54:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA24050; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802185257.053c2920@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:54:09 -0600 To: Greg Lehey , Mike Smith From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Darryl Okahata , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000803094718.R36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802141320.046d1ca0@localhost> <200008022048.NAA01799@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802143811.0517eee0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802141320.046d1ca0@localhost> <200008022048.NAA01799@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:17 PM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >2. There's no reason ever for a net install if you have the CD-ROM. Not so. The Ports Collection is always being updated, and by installing from CD-ROM one runs the risk of missing the latest security fixes. To avoid this, it's a good idea to install from the online version of the Ports Collection. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 17:58: 0 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472EE37B6F1; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:57:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA95064; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:27:40 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:27:40 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Mike Smith , Darryl Okahata , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000803102740.C87263@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802143811.0517eee0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802141320.046d1ca0@localhost> <200008022048.NAA01799@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <20000803094718.R36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802185257.053c2920@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802185257.053c2920@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:54:09PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 18:54:09 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 06:17 PM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> 2. There's no reason ever for a net install if you have the CD-ROM. > > Not so. The Ports Collection is always being updated, and by installing > from CD-ROM one runs the risk of missing the latest security fixes. > To avoid this, it's a good idea to install from the online version of > the Ports Collection. Read what we're saying. The system installation has nothing to do with the ports collection. Sure, sysinstall allows you to install ports, but there's nothing to stop you installing ports afterwards. We do it all the time, and we do it over the net. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 17:59:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 598F037B59A; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 17:59:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA95862; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:29:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 10:29:26 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000803102926.D87263@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <20000803094307.Q36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 06:52:32PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 18:52:32 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 06:13 PM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: > >> On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 14:12:11 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: >>> At 07:34 PM 8/1/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >>> >>>> IRQ 9 is available on the 7500. I use it for the Ethernet card. I >>>> don't see anything on 10. >>> >>> Greg, you're not following what I said. >> >> Yes I am. >> >>> When the FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE GENERIC kernel boots, it gives IRQ 10 >>> to the pcic and 11 to the video controller. 5 is dedicated to the >>> ESS sound chip and can't be changed. >> >> Understood. You'll need to change your /etc/pccard.conf. > > Most users will not know how to do this. The PC Card software should, > by default, choose available interrupts for PC Cards by default. Otherwise, > even if he or she installs from the CD, the user will be left without the > ability to use any PC Card that requires interrupts. That person will likely > conclude that FreeBSD does not run properly on his or her laptop. OK, why don't you fix the software? I've said that this is a weak point. What else do you want me to do? > Odds are that person will ditch FreeBSD in favor of Red Hat or > another distribution of Linux which does not have this problem. Have you tried this? I've had really terrible problems with RedHat on the same laptop which installed FreeBSD with no trouble at all. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 18:17:52 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (mass.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.234]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E0837B540; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:17:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02978; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:28:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008030128.SAA02978@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: hackers@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Intel 840 Chipset Discontinue In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:22:08 EDT." <14713.42924.81417.759293@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:28:18 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Do you know of anybody building 1U or 2U rackmount systems for a > reasonable price ($2000/node or less) around these motherboards? It > looks like most integrators are using the L44GX & its broken 32-bit > 66MHz slot which runs at the wrong voltage (Myrinet claims they're > violating the PCI spec). BSDi/Telenet will have 1U and 2U systems based on either the Asus or Tyan dual socket-370 boards very shortly. If you want to talk more about these, let me know. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 18:19:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from asustek.asus.com.tw (asustek.asus.com.tw [192.72.126.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF49237B593 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:18:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thomas_Chen@asus.com.tw) Received: from asusgs1.asus.com.tw ([192.168.4.100]) by asustek.asus.com.tw (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27201 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:18:27 +0800 Received: by asusgs1.asus.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:32:20 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?big5?B?VGhvbWFzIENoZW4os6+n06n3KQ==?= To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: SB ViBRA16X cannot work under 4.0 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:32:18 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFFCEA.A9E8BDD4" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFFCEA.A9E8BDD4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 18:23: 7 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paprika.michvhf.com (paprika.michvhf.com [209.103.136.12]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5A70B37B540 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 18:23:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from vev@michvhf.com) Received: (qmail 9707 invoked by uid 1001); 3 Aug 2000 01:23:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Vince Vielhaber To: =?big5?B?VGhvbWFzIENoZW4os6+n06n3KQ==?= Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: SB ViBRA16X cannot work under 4.0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 3 Aug 2000, [big5] Thomas Chen(=B3=AF=A7=D3=A9=F7) wrote: > This sound card can work normally. > But, I upgraded the system from 3.4r to 4.0 recently. > I do the same things: > 1. modify kernel: > device pcm0 irq 10 ...... > (I deleted the "controller pnp0", because it is osbelete) > then config -r KERNEL, make depend all install OK!! > reboot > 2. /dev > ./MAKEDEV snd0 > =20 > It can not work yet. I see the Information in KDE; it really be > drived....but can not speak!! You also need sbc0. I just got mine going a couple of days ago. The docs don't exactly tell you this, or if they do I sure couldn't find it. Vince. --=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH email: vev@michvhf.com http://www.pop4.net 128K ISDN from $22.00/mo - 56K Dialup from $16.00/mo at Pop4 Networking Online Campground Directory http://www.camping-usa.com Online Giftshop Superstore http://www.cloudninegifts.com =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 20:36:53 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns.yogotech.com (ns.yogotech.com [206.127.123.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273AF37B5B7; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:36:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nate@yogotech.com) Received: from nomad.yogotech.com (nomad.yogotech.com [206.127.123.131]) by ns.yogotech.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09905; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:29:09 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate@nomad.yogotech.com) Received: (from nate@localhost) by nomad.yogotech.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA27596; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:28:36 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from nate) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:28:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200008030328.VAA27596@nomad.yogotech.com> From: Nate Williams MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Brett Glass Cc: Greg Lehey , Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000803094307.Q36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> X-Mailer: VM 6.34 under 19.16 "Lille" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > The PC Card software should, by default, choose available interrupts > for PC Cards by default. And how would it do that, given that FreeBSD doesn't have drivers for at least one or two pieces of hardware in the laptops, as well as the fact that many drivers require BIOS support to work correctly. WinXX gets away with this because it can call BIOS functions, and hardware vendors supply their own drivers to the OS vendor. WinNT has the same sorts of problems we do, which is why NT is not well supported on laptops, and Win2K has even poorer support. And don't give me the "Linux works" answer, since it's not always valid. Sometimes it is (because Linux tends to support more hardware, albeit poorly), but it's certainly not a certainity. For what it's worth, FreeBSD sometimes supports certain hardware much better than Linux does. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 20:44:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C805637B5ED; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:44:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25536; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:44:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802214230.0466a2b0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:44:18 -0600 To: Greg Lehey From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20000803102926.D87263@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <20000803094307.Q36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 06:59 PM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >OK, why don't you fix the software? I've said that this is a weak >point. What else do you want me to do? Well, /stand/sysinstall is Jordan's bailiwick. In the past, when I've attempted to tread on other folks' "turf," I've been rebuffed rather stridently. >Have you tried this? I've had really terrible problems with RedHat on >the same laptop which installed FreeBSD with no trouble at all. The laptop came with Red Hat preinstalled, and I tried reinstalling. No problems. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 20:48: 2 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9C737B5D0; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp0.lariat.org@lariat.org [12.23.109.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25569; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:47:22 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802214431.04609df0@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:47:19 -0600 To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Cc: Greg Lehey , Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200008030328.VAA27596@nomad.yogotech.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000803094307.Q36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:28 PM 8/2/2000, Nate Williams wrote: >> The PC Card software should, by default, choose available interrupts >> for PC Cards by default. > >And how would it do that, given that FreeBSD doesn't have drivers for >at least one or two pieces of hardware in the laptops, as well as the >fact that many drivers require BIOS support to work correctly. It can still tell which IRQs are available. The BIOS doesn't need to be involved; ISA probes and PnP tell the story. >WinXX gets away with this because it can call BIOS functions, and >hardware vendors supply their own drivers to the OS vendor. > >WinNT has the same sorts of problems we do, which is why NT is not well >supported on laptops, and Win2K has even poorer support. > >And don't give me the "Linux works" Why not? Linux works because it takes a more sensible approach to IRQ allocation for the PC Card sockets. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 21:57: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6991A37B691; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 21:57:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01843; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:26:26 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:26:26 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Nate Williams , Brett Glass Cc: Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000803142626.K87263@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> <200008030328.VAA27596@nomad.yogotech.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802214431.04609df0@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20000803094307.Q36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> <200008030328.VAA27596@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <200008030328.VAA27596@nomad.yogotech.com>; from nate@yogotech.com on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 09:28:36PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 21:28:36 -0600, Nate Williams wrote: > And don't give me the "Linux works" answer, since it's not always > valid. Sometimes it is (because Linux tends to support more hardware, > albeit poorly), but it's certainly not a certainity. For what it's > worth, FreeBSD sometimes supports certain hardware much better than > Linux does. Exactly my experience, using RedHat 6.1. On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 21:47:19 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 09:28 PM 8/2/2000, Nate Williams wrote: >> And don't give me the "Linux works" > > Why not? Linux works because it takes a more sensible approach to > IRQ allocation for the PC Card sockets. Care to elaborate? On Wednesday, 2 August 2000 at 21:44:18 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 06:59 PM 8/2/2000, Greg Lehey wrote: >> Have you tried this? I've had really terrible problems with RedHat on >> the same laptop which installed FreeBSD with no trouble at all. > > The laptop came with Red Hat preinstalled, and I tried reinstalling. > No problems. Ah. I suspect that's one designed for this laptop. Go and get a generic RedHat and see what happens. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Aug 2 22: 6:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1663A37B55A; Wed, 2 Aug 2000 22:06:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@wantadilla.lemis.com) Received: (from grog@localhost) by wantadilla.lemis.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA06119; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:35:56 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from grog) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:35:56 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Brett Glass Cc: Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000803143556.M87263@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200008011803.LAA02343@mass.osd.bsdi.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 03:43:42PM -0600 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tuesday, 1 August 2000 at 15:43:42 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > At 12:03 PM 8/1/2000, Mike Smith wrote: >> Apart from this, all of the pcic's in currently-shipping >> Inspirons are supported, and the inspiron BIOS leaves them in pcic mode at >> power-up (but doesn't reset them when you reboot) > > As I mentioned in another message, the problem seems to be > allocation of interrupts. On a machine where IRQ's 5 and 11 are > taken by the sound hardware, and the pcic itself uses IRQ 10, none > of the options in /stand/sysinstall leaves an IRQ available for > cards plugged into the socket. /stand/sysinstall should offer a > choice of any two uncommitted interrupts for the cards. Why don't you enter a PR for it? Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 3 0:51:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7F337B566; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 00:51:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13KFmO-000BIA-00; Thu, 03 Aug 2000 09:51:00 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:51:00 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: Brett Glass Cc: Greg Lehey , Darryl Okahata , Mike Smith , Jay Kuri , hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron Message-ID: <20000803095100.A43348@mithrandr.moria.org> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000801154059.04c50b80@localhost> <200008020116.SAA15805@mina.soco.agilent.com> <20000802110407.F36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802140411.05180a70@localhost> <20000803094307.Q36094@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802184929.053c22f0@localhost> <20000803102926.D87263@wantadilla.lemis.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000802214230.0466a2b0@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000802214230.0466a2b0@localhost>; from brett@lariat.org on Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 09:44:18PM -0600 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed 2000-08-02 (21:44), Brett Glass wrote: > Well, /stand/sysinstall is Jordan's bailiwick. In the past, when > I've attempted to tread on other folks' "turf," I've been rebuffed > rather stridently. I don't see any PRs from you regarding this issue: (nbm@scythe) /devel> query-pr -O "Brett.*Glass" | grep Synopsis | cut -c-80 >Synopsis: /dev/spkr can crash system and may have serious security exploi >Synopsis: Difficult to find documentation of "securelevel" >Synopsis: man program saves multiple cached copies of the same file >Synopsis: Cannot rebuild sendmail.cf without installing full source dist Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 3 1:58:29 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-42.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DA937B7FF for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 01:58:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA00860; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 02:09:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008030909.CAA00860@mass.osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: nate@yogotech.com (Nate Williams) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on Dell Inspiron In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 2000 21:28:36 MDT." <200008030328.VAA27596@nomad.yogotech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 02:09:20 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > The PC Card software should, by default, choose available interrupts > > for PC Cards by default. > > And how would it do that, given that FreeBSD doesn't have drivers for > at least one or two pieces of hardware in the laptops, as well as the > fact that many drivers require BIOS support to work correctly. > > WinXX gets away with this because it can call BIOS functions, and > hardware vendors supply their own drivers to the OS vendor. Actually, we can get away with this as well, and we do. With the PnP probes and the 'unknown' placeholder, it's not all that hard to get at the relevant information. The *availability* of a given set of interrupts to the PCIC is not so trivial to determine, unfortunately. 8( Then again, I seem to remember that Brett was all for being able to boot FreeBSD after DOS has started, which would immediately remove our ability to do this, so perhaps he might want to sort his priorities out. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 3 5:13:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sh001.infi.net (sh001.infi.net [206.153.62.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779E537B64E for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:13:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sneedy@infi.net) Received: from sywn001 (sywn001.engrs.infi.net [209.97.4.171]) by sh001.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA17254 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000803080734.00a31530@sh001.infi.net> X-Sender: sneedy@sh001.infi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:07:51 -0400 To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org From: Scot Needy Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe __________________________________________ Scot Needy InfiNet Systems Engineering sneedy@infi.net ( 757 ) 664-2217 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 3 5:23:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sh001.infi.net (sh001.infi.net [206.153.62.17]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE9837B663 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 05:23:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scotrn@pilot.infi.net) Received: from sywn001 (sywn001.engrs.infi.net [209.97.4.171]) by sh001.infi.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA04585 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 08:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000803080602.00a204e0@sh001.infi.net> X-Sender: scotrn@pop.pilot.infi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 08:06:31 -0400 To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG From: Scot Subject: unsubscribe Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 3 18:51:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FA637B548; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 18:51:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (chimp [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA86480; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:51:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000803213444.047d1008@mail.sentex.net> X-Sender: mdtancsa@mail.sentex.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:46:35 -0400 To: hardware@freebsd.org From: Mike Tancsa Subject: CMD PCI-648 ATA Controller ? Cc: sos@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Is there any planned support for this particular controller ? pci0: (vendor=0x1095, dev=0x0648) at 7.0 irq 10 http://www.yourvote.com/pci/pciread.asp?venid=0x1095 says its a Bus Master Ultra DMA PCI-IDE/ATA bye CMD ---Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Aug 3 23:44:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (freebsd.dk [212.242.42.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9BB37B82A; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:44:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id IAA57325; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:44:43 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200008040644.IAA57325@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: CMD PCI-648 ATA Controller ? In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000803213444.047d1008@mail.sentex.net> from Mike Tancsa at "Aug 3, 2000 09:46:35 pm" To: mike@sentex.net (Mike Tancsa) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:44:43 +0200 (CEST) Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, sos@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It seems Mike Tancsa wrote: > Hi, > Is there any planned support for this particular controller ? > > pci0: (vendor=0x1095, dev=0x0648) at 7.0 irq 10 > > http://www.yourvote.com/pci/pciread.asp?venid=0x1095 > says its a Bus Master Ultra DMA PCI-IDE/ATA bye CMD Given CMD's BAD history of broken ATA/IDE chips I wouldn't buy a board with such a beast :) That said, I have the docs lying around so support is possible, to expedite it I need one to test on though... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 4 0: 1:20 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from asustek.asus.com.tw (asustek.asus.com.tw [192.72.126.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACBA37B6EB; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:01:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thomas_Chen@asus.com.tw) Received: from asusgs1.asus.com.tw ([192.168.4.100]) by asustek.asus.com.tw (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA02707; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:00:24 +0800 Received: by asusgs1.asus.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:14:20 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?big5?B?VGhvbWFzIENoZW4os6+n06n3KQ==?= To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, sos@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: can not MAKEDEV snd0 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 15:14:19 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've added a new sound card. After modifying, compiling kernel, and reboot, I try to MAKEDEV snd0.(sh MAKEDEV snd0 in /dev) There is no response and no error message, but I can't find the device "snd0" in the dir "/dev". So that I just can play CD, but not wav or mid file. I check the "sndstat", the "newpcm" have been installed and DSP also have been driven. Why can I not make the device snd0?? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 4 0:23: 5 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (adsl-63-202-177-42.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.202.177.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F229E37B711 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:22:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Received: from mass.osd.bsdi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.osd.bsdi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00621 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 00:34:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.osd.bsdi.com) Message-Id: <200008040734.AAA00621@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:34:01 -0700 From: Mike Smith Subject: Mylex adapters with 2.x firmware and "couldn't map register window" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ------- Blind-Carbon-Copy X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: stable@freebsd.org Subject: Mylex adapters with 2.x firmware and "couldn't map register window" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:34:01 -0700 From: Mike Smith I've had a lot of requests for something to be done about this, and I've finally gotten a few minutes to make it happen. The fix for this has been committed to -stable, and there's a kit for 4.1-RELEASE users wanting to install on these adapters at http://people.freebsd.org/~msmith/RAID/mylex/mlx2_patchkit.tar.gz Note that this has only been lightly tested; the changes don't affect other adapters, but I don't have one of these adapters to test with directly (all my v2.x adapters have memory windows). I have two success reports already though, and I'd like to hear a few more. - -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] ------- End of Blind-Carbon-Copy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 4 2: 9:14 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11C337B99F for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 02:09:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13KdT2-000FO2-00; Fri, 04 Aug 2000 11:08:36 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:08:36 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_Chen=28=B3=AF=A7=D3=A9=F7=29?= Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can not MAKEDEV snd0 Message-ID: <20000804110836.A59113@mithrandr.moria.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas_Chen@asus.com.tw on Fri, Aug 04, 2000 at 03:14:19PM +0800 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri 2000-08-04 (15:14), Thomas Chen(³¯§Ó©÷) wrote: > I've added a new sound card. > After modifying, compiling kernel, and reboot, I try to MAKEDEV snd0.(sh > MAKEDEV snd0 in /dev) > There is no response and no error message, but I can't find the device > "snd0" in the dir "/dev". > > So that I just can play CD, but not wav or mid file. > > I check the "sndstat", the "newpcm" have been installed and DSP also have > been driven. > > Why can I not make the device snd0?? http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/admin.html Q: "I can't create the snd0 device!" Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 4 3: 8:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp9.xs4all.nl (smtp9.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3B837B550 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 03:08:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DeBie@stone-it.nl) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (list1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by smtp9.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20441 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:08:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from root@localhost) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA09065; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:08:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Wouter de Bie To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Via: imploder /usr/local/lib/mail/news2mail/news2mail at list1.xs4all.nl Subject: Stallion EasyConnect 8/64 and FreeBSD Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:08:19 +0200 Organization: Stone IT Message-ID: <398A9613.BCA1564D@stone-it.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! Right now I'm configuring a FreeBSD system with a Stallion EasyConnect 8/64. Since this is the first time I've worked with FreeBSD, I'm trying to find my way around. I do have my basic UNIX knowledge, because I work with Linux as a sysadmin. Now to the point. I read the manual about configuring the system with the EasyConnect (a multiport board, where you can connect 64 terminals). I configured the kernel, but the manual says: "Add board probe entries into the kernel configurationfile: (..) if only using PCI boards then you don't need to enter a configruation line, the kernel will automatically detect the board at boot up, so skip to step 5. (..) 5. Build a new kernel using this configuration." So I compiled the kernel, installed it, rebooted, but the card wasn't detected. And it gives me: "pci0: (vendro=0x124d, dev=0x0002) at 4.0 irq 11" When I insert "device stl" into my kernelconfig, nothing happens either. I also tried putting the card into another PCI-slot and also tried the GENERIC kernel. Anyone who can help me? Greetings, Wouter de Bie Stone IT B.V. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 4 6:13:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gabriel.schoolpeople.net (gabriel.schoolpeople.net [216.34.170.167]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2113637BAF8 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 06:13:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) Received: from triangulata (cs2887-130.austin.rr.com [24.28.87.130]) by gabriel.schoolpeople.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA46828 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:13:33 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from brandon@schoolpeople.net) Message-ID: <00c001bffe16$7c38dc20$82571c18@austin.rr.com> From: "Brandon S. DeYoung" To: "FreeBSDHW" Subject: Ethernet Server adapters Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:18:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks to all who wrote about the DLINK-DFE570TX. I had no idea quad port NICs were so cheap. How does one configure these things? Do you just set all the ports to the same IP address, or is it more complicated than that? I read an article a while back about tuning Samba. In this article they made a reference to "binding" one of the CPUs in an SMP machine to the NIC. Is this possible under FreeBSD (4.1)? Can someone point me at a URL which tells how to do it? So far my searches haven't turned up anything useful. Thanks in advance, ~Brandon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 4 21:13:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA7D37B8F9 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:13:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA48503; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:13:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:13:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: Francisco Reyes Cc: "hardware@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Evergreen CPU replacements on FreeBSD In-Reply-To: <200007311350.JAA39465@vulcan.addy.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Francisco Reyes wrote: >I just got a catalog from a mail order vendor and they have some >Evergreen Pentium upgrades. >Do these work with FreeBSD? > >A 233Mhz is only $79. This would be a nice upgrade to my Pentium >100Mhz desktop since I have noticed that when making world the >CPU is usually the bottleneck. > >If they work on FreeBSD would it be worth a $20 difference to go >with a 333Mhz instead of a 233Mhz? >I am also planning to upgrade from 32Mb to 64Mb. I dont see why they wouldnt work (not that I've tried one) but beware that a (cheap) socket7 motherboard and a K6-2 cpu would be about the same price and probably land you over 400mhz. A K6-2 450 is $45-50 starting price and a K6-2 500 starts around $55-60 (according to pricewatch.com). You could most likely pick up a decent new or used super7 motherboard for $50. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Aug 4 21:28:19 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from asustek.asus.com.tw (asustek.asus.com.tw [192.72.126.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41ABB37B8F9 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 2000 21:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Thomas_Chen@asus.com.tw) Received: from asusgs1.asus.com.tw ([192.168.4.100]) by asustek.asus.com.tw (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA30633; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:25:58 +0800 Received: by asusgs1.asus.com.tw with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:39:52 +0800 Message-ID: From: THOMAS_CHEN To: "'Neil Blakey-Milner'" Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: can not MAKEDEV snd0 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 12:39:51 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org TKS!! Sorry, U misunderstood my words. I know how to create it and did it. # cd /dev # sh MAKEDEV snd0 But, the snd0 had not been created in /dev. That's what I mean! -----Original Message----- From: Neil Blakey-Milner [mailto:nbm@mithrandr.moria.org] Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 5:09 PM To: Thomas Chen(3=A1=C2=A1=B1Oc=A1=D2) Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can not MAKEDEV snd0 On Fri 2000-08-04 (15:14), Thomas Chen(=B3=AF=A7=D3=A9=F7) wrote: > I've added a new sound card. > After modifying, compiling kernel, and reboot, I try to MAKEDEV = snd0.(sh > MAKEDEV snd0 in /dev) > There is no response and no error message, but I can't find the = device > "snd0" in the dir "/dev". >=20 > So that I just can play CD, but not wav or mid file. >=20 > I check the "sndstat", the "newpcm" have been installed and DSP also = have > been driven. >=20 > Why can I not make the device snd0?? http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/admin.html Q: "I can't create the snd0 device!" Neil --=20 Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 5 0:18:18 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tower.portal2.com (tower.portal2.com [202.77.223.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B845937B5E7 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 00:18:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ymg@graffiti.net) Received: (qmail 91505 invoked by uid 1001); 5 Aug 2000 07:16:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000805071602.91504.qmail@graffiti.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.117) From: "ym g" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 15:16:02 +0800 Subject: Any opinions about DLink DFE-530TX 10/100 card ? Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I am building a relatively low-cost machine with relatively decent performance. It is primarily going to be serving static pages, some audio and maybe some video. The components I am considering are P3/450 with 256MB ram and 6GB IDE. 3Ware 2channel ATA raid with 2 disks in RAID-0 config. D-Link DFE -L530TX 10/100 network card I haven't heard much about the D-Link 530TX. They are mentioned as supported in 4.1 and are quite cheap. Are they reasonable in performance -- _______________________________________________ Get your free email from http://www.graffiti.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 5 1:19:39 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (a1-3b194.neo.rr.com [24.93.181.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F2437B642 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 01:19:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@argos.org) Received: from localhost (mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e758I8Y13732; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:18:08 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 04:18:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Nowlin To: ym g Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any opinions about DLink DFE-530TX 10/100 card ? In-Reply-To: <20000805071602.91504.qmail@graffiti.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Hi, I am building a relatively low-cost machine with relatively decent > performance. It is primarily going to be serving static pages, some > audio and maybe some video. The components I am considering are > > P3/450 with 256MB ram and 6GB IDE. 3Ware 2channel ATA raid with 2 disks > in RAID-0 config. D-Link DFE -L530TX 10/100 network card I suddenly think back to the days of: "It is primarily going to be serving static pages, some audio and maybe some video. The components I am considering are 486-DX4/100 with 32MB ram and 1.6GB IDE...." (philosophical question) Have things really changed that much? I do believe that a T1 from 3 years ago had the same capacity as a T1 today... :) (Sorry, but that's my opinion about how people routinely over-power web servers, just because people worry about the numbers too much..) --mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 5 2:33:37 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ns1.sunesi.net (ns1.sunesi.net [196.15.192.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A010D37B56C for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 02:33:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nbm@sunesi.net) Received: from nbm by ns1.sunesi.net with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 13L0KM-000JAd-00; Sat, 05 Aug 2000 11:33:10 +0200 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:33:10 +0200 From: Neil Blakey-Milner To: THOMAS_CHEN Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: can not MAKEDEV snd0 Message-ID: <20000805113309.A73670@mithrandr.moria.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas_Chen@asus.com.tw on Sat, Aug 05, 2000 at 12:39:51PM +0800 Organization: Sunesi Clinical Systems X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.3-RELEASE i386 X-URL: http://rucus.ru.ac.za/~nbm/ Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat 2000-08-05 (12:39), THOMAS_CHEN wrote: > TKS!! > Sorry, U misunderstood my words. > I know how to create it and did it. > # cd /dev > # sh MAKEDEV snd0 > But, the snd0 had not been created in /dev. > That's what I mean! http://www.FreeBSD.org/FAQ/admin.html Q: "I can't create the snd0 device!" A: There is no snd device. The name is used as a shorthand for the various devices that make up the FreeBSD sound driver, such as mixer, sequencer, and dsp. To create these devices you should # cd /dev # sh MAKDEV snd0 Neil -- Neil Blakey-Milner Sunesi Clinical Systems nbm@mithrandr.moria.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 5 8: 8:16 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D97B37B9A0 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 08:08:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA54105; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:08:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 11:08:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Adam To: ym g Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Any opinions about DLink DFE-530TX 10/100 card ? In-Reply-To: <20000805071602.91504.qmail@graffiti.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, ym g wrote: >Hi, I am building a relatively low-cost machine with relatively decent performance. It is primarily going to be serving static pages, some audio and maybe some video. The components I am considering are > >P3/450 with 256MB ram and 6GB IDE. 3Ware 2channel ATA raid with 2 disks in RAID-0 config. D-Link DFE -L530TX 10/100 network card > >I haven't heard much about the D-Link 530TX. They are mentioned as supported in 4.1 and are quite cheap. Are they reasonable in performance For a server I highly recommend you buy one of Intel's 10/100 adaptors with a 82557, 8, or 9 chip for $35-40ish online. The performance and reliability are not met by any other 100bt nic in my opinion and you usually get what you pay for (I've had several DFE-530's and they all seem to suck in freebsd on my computers, they timeout and stop talking for random amounts and time etc.) To get an idea of what the internet thinks the value of the DFE-530 cards are, try a search on ebay. They only go for a few dollars =P To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 5 14:13:48 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from heretic.cybertouch.org (24.69.168.8.on.wave.home.com [24.69.168.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEAA637BAF2; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lnb@heretic.cybertouch.org) Received: from localhost (lnb@localhost) by heretic.cybertouch.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09277; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:12:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from lnb@heretic.cybertouch.org) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:12:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Lanny Baron To: Mike Smith Cc: Andrew Gallatin , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Intel 840 Chipset Discontinue In-Reply-To: <200008030128.SAA02978@mass.osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: Fax: 905-763-0241 Tel: 905-763-1900 City: Thornhill Province: Ontario Country: Canada MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I was just going through some of the mail on this list and came across this one. I started FreeBSDSystems.com back in '99. I use only Intel chassis and server-boards. I have recently sent one down to the U.S. (we are in Canada..physically). There has been no problems and the machine is dual PIII Xeon but on a Cabrillo chassis. That babe is a 7U. There is a 1U and 2U. If we can be of any help, just call us. http://freedomtc.com --Lanny On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Mike Smith wrote: > > Do you know of anybody building 1U or 2U rackmount systems for a > > reasonable price ($2000/node or less) around these motherboards? It > > looks like most integrators are using the L44GX & its broken 32-bit > > 66MHz slot which runs at the wrong voltage (Myrinet claims they're > > violating the PCI spec). > > BSDi/Telenet will have 1U and 2U systems based on either the Asus or Tyan > dual socket-370 boards very shortly. If you want to talk more about > these, let me know. > > -- > ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his > rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want > to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force > people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Aug 5 16:19:55 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from wireco.net (mental.wireco.net [206.107.119.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70AB137B961 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:19:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hornback@wireco.net) Received: (qmail 16644 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2000 23:19:48 -0000 Received: from d23.johnson-city.tn.us.wireco.net (HELO challenger) (206.107.119.212) by mental.wireco.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2000 23:19:48 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "'Mike Nowlin'" Cc: Subject: Webserver specs (was: RE: Any opinions about DLink DFE-530TX 10/100 card ?) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:17:34 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfff33$56dde1a0$d4776bce@challenger> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -- Andy ----------------------------------------------------------------- |hornback@wireco.net or kracked.com|What we need is a leader not a lawyer.| | http://home.wireco.net/~hornback | Sen. Ashcroft, R-Missouri | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Nowlin > Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2000 4:18 AM > To: ym g > Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Any opinions about DLink DFE-530TX 10/100 card ? > > > Hi, I am building a relatively low-cost machine with > relatively decent > > performance. It is primarily going to be serving static pages, some > > audio and maybe some video. The components I am considering are > > > > P3/450 with 256MB ram and 6GB IDE. 3Ware 2channel ATA raid > with 2 disks > > in RAID-0 config. D-Link DFE -L530TX 10/100 network card Relatively low cost, eh? *shakes his head* When I think low cost, I'm STILL thinking 486... *grin* > I suddenly think back to the days of: > > "It is primarily going to be serving static pages, some audio > and maybe > some video. The components I am considering are > > 486-DX4/100 with 32MB ram and 1.6GB IDE...." You'd get a kick out of the 2 webservers that I used to work on... 1) P2-350, 128 Megs of RAM, 4.3 Gig IDE... running NT/IIS/all the crap... machine never saw more than 5% system usage except for when the OS spiked. Waste of hardware, only used for "hosted" web sites. 2) P-90, 192 Megs of RAM, 4.5 Gig 80 MB/sec SCSI... running NT/IIS/all the crap... was being used as the user's webspace and entire installation mail and news server. Machine would bog down if you looked at it wrong. But, thanks to the powers that be, I couldn't switch the two machines out, which would have made a better fit. Biggest problem I saw with both of them was the fact that both were stuck on a HUB (?!?) and both only had 10 Base T network cards. Talk about performance bottlenecks... > (philosophical question) Have things really changed that much? I do > believe that a T1 from 3 years ago had the same capacity as a T1 > today... :) Actually, today's T1s are smaller... *grin* Hornback's Rule of Infinite Bandwidth... whenever a larger pipe becomes available, your current pipe instantly becomes too small for efficient use. > (Sorry, but that's my opinion about how people routinely > over-power web > servers, just because people worry about the numbers too much..) It's not the numbers they worry about, it's having to look like they've got big "cajones"... Image is everything... and hardware is part of that image, sadly. It's no longer "what gets the job done" but "what would look good on the press release after we get the thing working"... --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message