From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Feb 27 9:17: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from viking.sophos.com (viking.sophos.com [193.82.145.128]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA4637B66C; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 09:16:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tmb@tyne.sophos.com) Received: from tyne.sophos.com (tyne.sophos.com [193.82.145.132]) by viking.sophos.com (MAILER-DAEMON) with ESMTP id DE62945C04; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:16:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: (from tmb@localhost) by tyne.sophos.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA16060; Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:16:47 GMT (envelope-from tmb) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:16:47 +0000 From: Mark Blackman To: basit Syed Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SYSINSTALL FEEDBACK for 4.0-20000214-CURRENT Message-ID: <20000227171647.A16042@sophos.com> References: <200002231403.OAA43647@pinenut.nosc.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <200002231403.OAA43647@pinenut.nosc.mil>; from basit Syed on Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 02:03:50PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Speaking of which, what *IS* the correct way to get the X11 aout libs that netscape still needs? I couldn't find them on the (Feb. 14) CD image in the XF86336 directory. Clues please? On Wed, Feb 23, 2000 at 02:03:50PM +0000, basit Syed wrote: > e. installed netscape 4.7, however execution results in > libXt.so.6.0 missing. there is a link to libXt.so.6 in /usr/X11R6/lib. -- Mark To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Feb 28 7:51:21 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pan.ch.intel.com (pan.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D88837B8A9; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:51:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by pan.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA07810; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:51:08 -0700 (MST) Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA13268; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:51:07 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id KAA20757; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:51:05 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14522.39273.53653.511902@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:51:05 -0700 (MST) To: current@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Subject: Installation floppies and USB X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [forwarded from -questions to the above groups because this seems to be a legit "problem" and I wanted the "right eyes" in -current to see it. ] ------- start of forwarded message ------- From: "John Daniels" Subject: Installation floppies and USB Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:19:50 EST I have a system with only a *USB* keyboard port (no PS/2 or AT-style ports). When I boot the installation floppies I get the message: keyboard:no After reading errata,release notes, etc., I learned that I should hit 'enter' and type '-Dh' at the prompt, which I did. Now the installation proceeds until the kernel is booted and the kernel configuration menu is displayed (with 3 options: skip config, full-screen, CLI-mode). At that point my keyboard becomes unusable. I believe that this may be because the kernel ('GENERIC'?) doesn't include USB support. USB support is supposed to be compiled in *after* an install. For my system, this is unacceptable. I now have a catch-22: I can't get USB support until the kernel is recompiled, and I can't recompile the kernel unless I can use the keyboard to install FreeBSD. My system was created by a major PC Manufacturer (Acer) and I'm sure that they have sold thousands like it. I'm sure that they are not/will not be the only manufacturer to create USB-only systems. My system uses Human Interface Devices (HID) USB. It is *CRUCIAL* that USB keyboards be recognized "out-of-the-box" for current and future systems that only support USB keyboards. QUESTION: Are there work currently andy arounds/solutions in FreeBSD? When can USB be available "out-of-the-box?" (I was hoping it would be in 4.0) Lastly, the NetBSD install floppy recognizes my keyboard and lets me use it during the install. Is there any possible workaround that includes booting the NetBSD install disk, or installing FreeBSD over/after NetBSD? NOTE: There has already been at least one other FreeBSD newbie who has encountered this problem (also with an Acer box), and there seems to be a fair amount of USB questions/discussion online. Any info/help is greatly appreciated John jmd526@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message ------- end of forwarded message ------- -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Feb 28 8:11:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mfo00.iij.ad.jp (mfo00.iij.ad.jp [202.232.2.117]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A772337B722; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:11:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from maekawa@rr.iij4u.or.jp) Received: from rr.iij4u.or.jp (rr.iij4u.or.jp [210.130.0.42]) by mfo00.iij.ad.jp (8.8.8/MFO1.3) with ESMTP id BAA01130; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:11:22 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (h007.p048.iij4u.or.jp [210.130.48.7]) by rr.iij4u.or.jp (8.8.8+2.2IIJ/4U1.1) with ESMTP id BAA28161; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:11:20 +0900 (JST) To: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Cc: current@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation floppies and USB From: MAEKAWA Masahide In-Reply-To: <14522.39273.53653.511902@hip186.ch.intel.com> References: <14522.39273.53653.511902@hip186.ch.intel.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 19.34 / Mule 2.3 (SUETSUMUHANA) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000229011119L.maekawa@rr.iij4u.or.jp> Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:11:19 +0900 X-Dispatcher: imput version 990905(IM130) Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Reynolds~ wrote: >[forwarded from -questions to the above groups because this seems to be a >legit "problem" and I wanted the "right eyes" in -current to see it. ] > >I have a system with only a *USB* keyboard port (no PS/2 or AT-style ports). > When I boot the installation floppies I get the message: My machine has "USB keyboard support" in BIOS menu. If your BIOS is AWARD's one, check your bios. Maybe it's in Chipset Features Setup section. BIOS uses USB keyboards as legacy. --- MAEKAWA Masahide --- URL: http://kerberos.math.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp/~maekawa/ --- Kobe University (Faculty of Science, Department of Mathematics) --- Powered by BSD/OS, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Feb 28 10:21: 3 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6659537B912; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:20:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from henny.webweaving.org (dhcp36.calcaphon.com [10.0.1.36]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07333; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:20:16 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06558; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:17:57 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:17:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: John Reynolds~ Cc: current@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation floppies and USB In-Reply-To: <14522.39273.53653.511902@hip186.ch.intel.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Seeing that your USB controller fails to work properly when the FreeBSD kernel takes over, I bet somewhere there is a problem with shared interrupts. Because a USB keyboard here works either with USB support or without USB support compiled in. The only solution for you would be to compile a new kernel on a different system that includes USB support, or use a module that you load before the kernel is booted. And yes, USB only machines will be supported at some stage. But at the moment the USB kernel is too flakey to be in GENERIC. Nick On Mon, 28 Feb 2000, John Reynolds~ wrote: > > [forwarded from -questions to the above groups because this seems to be a > legit "problem" and I wanted the "right eyes" in -current to see it. ] > > ------- start of forwarded message ------- > From: "John Daniels" > Subject: Installation floppies and USB > Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:19:50 EST > > I have a system with only a *USB* keyboard port (no PS/2 or AT-style ports). > When I boot the installation floppies I get the message: > keyboard:no > After reading errata,release notes, etc., I learned that I should hit > 'enter' and type '-Dh' at the prompt, which I did. Now the installation > proceeds until the kernel is booted and the kernel configuration menu is > displayed (with 3 options: skip config, full-screen, CLI-mode). At that > point my keyboard becomes unusable. I believe that this may be because the > kernel ('GENERIC'?) doesn't include USB support. USB support is supposed to > be compiled in *after* an install. > > For my system, this is unacceptable. I now have a catch-22: I can't get USB > support until the kernel is recompiled, and I can't recompile the kernel > unless I can use the keyboard to install FreeBSD. > > My system was created by a major PC Manufacturer (Acer) and I'm sure that > they have sold thousands like it. I'm sure that they are not/will not be > the only manufacturer to create USB-only systems. My system uses Human > Interface Devices (HID) USB. It is *CRUCIAL* that USB keyboards be > recognized "out-of-the-box" for current and future systems that only support > USB keyboards. > > QUESTION: Are there work currently andy arounds/solutions in FreeBSD? When > can USB be available "out-of-the-box?" (I was hoping it would be in 4.0) > Lastly, the NetBSD install floppy recognizes my keyboard and lets me use it > during the install. Is there any possible workaround that includes booting > the NetBSD install disk, or installing FreeBSD over/after NetBSD? > > NOTE: There has already been at least one other FreeBSD newbie who has > encountered this problem (also with an Acer box), and there seems to be a > fair amount of USB questions/discussion online. > > Any info/help is greatly appreciated > > John > jmd526@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > > ------- end of forwarded message ------- > > -- > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | > | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | > | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Feb 28 20:38:33 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from notwise.bsdonline.org (port19.erdial.netdoor.com [208.137.151.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC4037BA36; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:38:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phoenix@notwise.bsdonline.org) Received: from localhost (phoenix@localhost) by notwise.notwise.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21549; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:56:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:56:28 -0600 (CST) From: Phoenix X-Sender: phoenix@notwise.notwise.net To: John Reynolds~ Cc: current@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Installation floppies and USB In-Reply-To: <14522.39273.53653.511902@hip186.ch.intel.com> Message-ID: X-Secure: warning Penguin Powered. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If it is the same kind of acer as I have you may be in luck, hidden away on the back panel hidden behind a sticker and a metal knockout there are 2 ps/2 style connectors. Pull the top off of your box and see if you have them (near the parrellel port) I have been running -current on this box for a month with no problems other than having to use a normal keyboard for the install. also Nick Himba >Seeing that your USB controller fails to work properly when the FreeBSD >kernel takes over, I bet somewhere there is a problem with shared >interrupts. >Because a USB keyboard here works either with USB support or without USB >support compiled in. I had the same problem on my box, Ie. the usb controler wont do emulation at boot under freebsd, strangly the same box ran linux for 6 months witout the usb stack loaded and the keyboard worked fine, it just broke when I loaded the stack. works fine now as long as my freebsd kernel has usb enabled. Bob On Feb 28, The Matrix made John Reynolds~ say, > >[forwarded from -questions to the above groups because this seems to be a >legit "problem" and I wanted the "right eyes" in -current to see it. ] > >------- start of forwarded message ------- >From: "John Daniels" >Subject: Installation floppies and USB >Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 21:19:50 EST > >I have a system with only a *USB* keyboard port (no PS/2 or AT-style ports). > When I boot the installation floppies I get the message: > keyboard:no >After reading errata,release notes, etc., I learned that I should hit >'enter' and type '-Dh' at the prompt, which I did. Now the installation >proceeds until the kernel is booted and the kernel configuration menu is >displayed (with 3 options: skip config, full-screen, CLI-mode). At that >point my keyboard becomes unusable. I believe that this may be because the >kernel ('GENERIC'?) doesn't include USB support. USB support is supposed to >be compiled in *after* an install. > >For my system, this is unacceptable. I now have a catch-22: I can't get USB >support until the kernel is recompiled, and I can't recompile the kernel >unless I can use the keyboard to install FreeBSD. > >My system was created by a major PC Manufacturer (Acer) and I'm sure that >they have sold thousands like it. I'm sure that they are not/will not be >the only manufacturer to create USB-only systems. My system uses Human >Interface Devices (HID) USB. It is *CRUCIAL* that USB keyboards be >recognized "out-of-the-box" for current and future systems that only support >USB keyboards. > >QUESTION: Are there work currently andy arounds/solutions in FreeBSD? When >can USB be available "out-of-the-box?" (I was hoping it would be in 4.0) >Lastly, the NetBSD install floppy recognizes my keyboard and lets me use it >during the install. Is there any possible workaround that includes booting >the NetBSD install disk, or installing FreeBSD over/after NetBSD? > >NOTE: There has already been at least one other FreeBSD newbie who has >encountered this problem (also with an Acer box), and there seems to be a >fair amount of USB questions/discussion online. > >Any info/help is greatly appreciated > >John >jmd526@hotmail.com > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > >------- end of forwarded message ------- > >-- >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >| John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | >| Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | >| jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 1 8:19:22 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B789037C39B for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 08:19:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id QAA08574 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:20:53 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id JAA09560 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:19:13 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-To: X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id LAA04458; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 11:19:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14525.17153.137355.69840@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:19:13 -0700 (MST) To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: RC3? X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hey all, Is 4.0-RC3 going to become reality before 4.0-RELEASE is finalized and shipped? I know Jordan had said that RC3 would happen and possibly RC4, but I haven't heard anything for a couple of weeks.... -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 1 9:35:11 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f283.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 589C237C432 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 09:35:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 60134 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 17:35:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301173502.60133.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 09:35:02 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: current@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: n_himba@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installation floppies and USB Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:35:02 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Phoenix wrote: >If it is the same kind of acer as I have you may be in luck, >hidden away on the back panel hidden behind a sticker and a >metal knockout there are 2 ps/2 style connectors. Pull the >top off of your box and see if you have them (near the parrellel >port) I have been running -current on this box for a month >with no problems other than having to use a normal keyboard for >the install. I have an Acer Aspire model 6140 (a PIII 450 system). The system has plastic molding in the back that covers 2 serial ports (only one of which is supposed to work), and a game port. I pulled off the metal case for the system as a whole but did not see any ps/2 ports or other ports. I have looked for an ISA or PCI card that might have a ps/2 or AT-style port for a keyboard but I have not been able to find one. I have also tried to find a keyboard that would use a COM port but that is also non-existant. Anyway, thanks for your input. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 1 12:17:51 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f288.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.166]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 803ED37BED1 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:17:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 23897 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 20:17:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301201741.23896.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:17:41 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Cc: n_hibma@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation floppies and USB Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:17:41 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Phoenix wrote: > If it is the same kind of acer as I have you may be in luck, hidden >away on the back panel hidden behind a sticker and a metal knockout there >are 2 ps/2 style connectors. Pull the top off of your box and see if you >have them (near the parrellel port) I have been running -current on this >box for a month with no problems other than having to use a normal keyboard >for the install. I have an Acer Aspire model 6140 (a PIII 450 system). The system has plastic molding in the back that covers 2 serial ports (only one of which is supposed to work), and a game port. I pulled off the metal case for the system as a whole but did not see any ps/2 ports or other ports. I have looked for an ISA or PCI card that might have a ps/2 or AT-style port for a keyboard but I have not been able to find one. I have also tried to find a keyboard that would use a COM port but that is also non-existant. Anyway, thanks for your input. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 1 12:28:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f202.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.202]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DBDBC37C229 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 12:28:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 52770 invoked by uid 0); 1 Mar 2000 20:28:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000301202824.52769.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 12:28:24 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: n_hibma@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Instrallation floppies and USB Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 15:28:24 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi: I looked in BIOS setup to see if there were any settings that I could try changing to make the boot floopies work. The only ones that I found that seemed to apply were (defaults in brackets): Configuration Table [Disabled] PCI IRQ setting [Auto] PCI IRQ sharing [No] Plug and Play OS [Yes] Reset Resource Assignments [No] I thought that the Configuration Table might provide the ability to change settings (IRQ, etc.) but it only summarized system specs. (Among these, it showed USB 'enabled') I didn't change PCI IRQ setting. I thought that PCI IRQ sharing might allow for dynamic assignment of IRQs, but changing this to 'Yes' had no effect. Disabling Plug and Play had no effect I thought that Reset Resource Assignments might enable the OS to set resouces (IRQ, etc) but everytime I looked at this after I had chosen 'Yes,' it had been set back to 'No.' Acer support tells me that all this does is reset the resources back to their original values. In sum, I was not able to change anything with the changes that I made. I also went to the Acer support site to see if there were any BIOS or device updates for my system. I didn't find any. I am registered with Acer support and I would be happy to provide the information needed (Toll free phone number, system serial number, my customer id #, etc.) for Nick Hibma or another developer to contact them if that would be helpful. FYI, I also have a 160Kbps DSL connection so if anyone wants me to test reconstructed boot disks/kernels, I can do that. (I believe that John Baldwin has been looking into this.) To summarize the problem and the clues that we now have: 1. When I try to boot the kern.flp disk, I get the message: /boot.config: -P Keyboard: no Booting continues but the keyboard is unusable unless I immmediately hit the space bar then type '-Dh' at the 'boot:' prompt as described in the TROUBLE.TXT document in the -CURRENT snapshot directory. NOTE: That document says that the '-Dh' workaround is meant for older systems with an 84-key keyboard, but it is working for my 1999 Acer Asprire with a 102-key USB keyboard! 2. The installation boots the kernel but immediately after the kernel config screen appears (with 3 options: no config, full screen, CLI), the system becomes unusable. 3. The floppy drive light remains on, as though the floopy is awaiting instructions or has been interrupted in data transfer. 4. I have provided my complete system specs and resource usage in an earlier post. It appears that there may be some resource conflicts. My system uses IRQ 11 for the Intel 82371AB/EB PCI to USB Universal Host Controller, while FreeBSD uses IRQ 11 for an adaptec SCSI Controller. My keyboard and FreeBSD's use of IRQ12 and IOMem 0060h may also be a problem. (This is not an exhaustive list of possible conflicts) 5. I can boot the NetBSD installation disk and use my keyboard to select options (e.g. configure my NIC) so this may provide some additional info or a possible roadmap to a solution. For example, does it dynamically find resources for more devices than FreeBSD (especially the Adaptec SCSI controller and keyboards/mice)? Does NetBSD provide support for USB keyboards in their installation kernel? Etc. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 1 19:38:41 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from server.baldwin.cx (jobaldwi.campus.vt.edu [198.82.67.146]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9446A37BF4E for ; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 19:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from john.baldwin.cx (john [10.0.0.2]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00437; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 22:37:17 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200003020337.WAA00437@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14525.17153.137355.69840@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 22:37:16 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: John Reynolds~ Subject: RE: RC3? Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 01-Mar-00 John Reynolds~ wrote: > > hey all, > > Is 4.0-RC3 going to become reality before 4.0-RELEASE is finalized and > shipped? I know Jordan had said that RC3 would happen and possibly RC4, but I > haven't heard anything for a couple of weeks.... RC3 should be built sometime this week. It would have been yesterday if the Alpha build hadn't broken this morning on one of the kld's. > -Jr -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.cslab.vt.edu/~jobaldwi/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 2 2:14:42 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B14037B50E; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 02:13:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from henny.webweaving.org (dhcp36.calcaphon.com [10.0.1.36]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA82531; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:12:24 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01582; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:04:27 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:04:27 +0000 (GMT) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: John Daniels Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-qa@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Instrallation floppies and USB In-Reply-To: <20000301202824.52769.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Just a quick response, some things to try will follow this evening.] > Configuration Table [Disabled] > PCI IRQ setting [Auto] > PCI IRQ sharing [No] should be Yes. > Plug and Play OS [Yes] Should be No. > I thought that PCI IRQ sharing might allow for dynamic assignment of IRQs, > but changing this to 'Yes' had no effect. It should be on anyway. FreeBSD supports. In the future you might add more hardware which makes you run out of IRQs > I thought that Reset Resource Assignments might enable the OS to set > resouces (IRQ, etc) but everytime I looked at this after I had chosen 'Yes,' > it had been set back to 'No.' Acer support tells me that all this does is > reset the resources back to their original values. You'll see a message saying 'Updating ESCD...' etc. > 1. When I try to boot the kern.flp disk, I get the message: > /boot.config: -P > Keyboard: no > Booting continues but the keyboard is unusable unless I immmediately hit the > space bar then type '-Dh' at the 'boot:' prompt as described in the > TROUBLE.TXT document in the -CURRENT snapshot directory. NOTE: That > document says that the '-Dh' workaround is meant for older systems with an > 84-key keyboard, but it is working for my 1999 Acer Asprire with a 102-key > USB keyboard! That means the BIOS emulates a XT/AT style keyboard. Nick -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 2 7:30:17 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from melete.ch.intel.com (melete.ch.intel.com [143.182.246.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADEE37C17A; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:30:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com) Received: from sedona.intel.com (sedona.ch.intel.com [143.182.218.21]) by melete.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a+p1/8.9.1/d: relay.m4,v 1.19 2000/01/29 00:15:43 dmccart Exp $) with ESMTP id PAA14392; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 15:31:53 GMT Received: from hip186.ch.intel.com (hip186.ch.intel.com [143.182.225.68]) by sedona.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: sendmail.cf,v 1.10 2000/02/10 21:38:16 steved Exp $) with ESMTP id IAA03451; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:30:14 -0700 (MST) X-Envelope-From: jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com Received: (from jreynold@localhost) by hip186.ch.intel.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1/d: client.m4,v 1.3 1998/09/29 16:36:11 sedayao Exp sedayao $) id KAA06261; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 10:30:13 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: hip186.ch.intel.com: jreynold set sender to jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com using -f From: John Reynolds~ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14526.35076.827599.593133@hip186.ch.intel.com> Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:30:12 -0700 (MST) To: John Baldwin Subject: RE: RC3? In-Reply-To: <200003020337.WAA00437@server.baldwin.cx> References: <14525.17153.137355.69840@hip186.ch.intel.com> <200003020337.WAA00437@server.baldwin.cx> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 20.3.11 Cc: qa@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [ On Wednesday, March 1, John Baldwin wrote: ] > > RC3 should be built sometime this week. It would have been yesterday if the > Alpha build hadn't broken this morning on one of the kld's. > drooling with anticipation :) Thanks for the info. -Jr -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | John Reynolds WCCG, CCE, Higher Levels of Abstraction | | Intel Corporation MS: CH6-210 Phone: 480-554-9092 pgr: 602-868-6512 | | jreynold@sedona.ch.intel.com http://www-aec.ch.intel.com/~jreynold/ | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 2 13:17:34 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f260.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.236.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 831F037BD28 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:17:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 63586 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2000 21:17:29 -0000 Message-ID: <20000302211729.63585.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:17:29 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installation Floppies and USB Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:17:29 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi: In my last posting, I described changing some BIOS setting individually. After some feedback, I have tried to change a group of settings. I changed the following three settings before booting the installation disks: BIOS parameter Default Changed to -------------- -------- ---------- PCI IRQ Sharing No Yes Plug and Play OS Yes No Reset Resource Assignments No Yes These changes seem to be in line with the suggestions that I received, and to allow the most flexibility. RESULT: No change in behavior. Other BIOS settings that may be of interest, with default settings: Chipset Options CPU to PCI Delayed Transaction Enabled CPU to PCI IDE Write Posting Enabled WC Write Posting Disabled PCI 32-clock Target Timer Enabled PCI-to-DRAM Pipeline Enabled Burst Write Combining Enabled Read-Around-Write Enabled SDRAM RAS to CAS Delay 3 SDRAM CAS Latency 3 SDRAM RAS Precharge Time 3 MA Wait Status Slow Memory Options Internal Cache (CPU Cache) Enabled External Cache Enabled Cache Scheme (informative only) Write Back Memory at 15MB-16MB Reserved for System Memory Parity Mode Disabled C800h-0FFFFh Shadow Disabled John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 2 13:50:23 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f140.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.140]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 725BB37B537 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:50:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 11062 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2000 21:50:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000302215011.11061.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:50:11 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: FreeBSD-current@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Installation floppies and USB Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:50:11 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi: One more *possible* "clue." Just before the kernel configuration screen appears (this screen fills up the screen, replacing diagnostic/bootup messages), I get a one-line message that includes the terms "timer" and "frequency" along with some numbers (that may be in hexadecmial). This maybe normal boot-up behavior but I searched the mailing list archives and noticed that the timer was rewritten for 3.0 and that there were some messages/problems concerning the timer in the archives. See: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/3.0R/notes.html Which states: " The timeout(9) system in the kernel has been overhauled. This gives O(1) insertion and removal of callouts and an O(hash chain length) amount of work to be performed in softclock. The original paper is at: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~amc/research/timer/ " John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 2 14: 4:49 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f237.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.237]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9399E37B567 for ; Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:04:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jmd526@hotmail.com) Received: (qmail 39484 invoked by uid 0); 2 Mar 2000 22:04:46 -0000 Message-ID: <20000302220446.39483.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.220.228.2 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:04:45 PST X-Originating-IP: [209.220.228.2] From: "John Daniels" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation floppies and USB Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:04:45 EST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi: I apologize for another post. This note should have been included in my last post. I wanted to point out that the description of the timer (at the URL provided) lists a couple of known problems, with an explanation as to why the developer could not fix them. I don't know if they have been fixed since that description, or how relevent these problems may be to my situation. John ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 3 3:28: 9 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2554337BFF3 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:28:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from navan_c@yahoo.com) Received: from dialupd112.mssl.uswest.net (HELO yahoo.com) (209.180.185.112) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2000 19:29:26 -0800 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:39:15 -0700 From: Navan Carson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-qa@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: BIOS settings (was Instrallation floppies and USB) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Plug and Play OS [Yes] > > Should be No. > How does this setting effect traditional ISA, PNP ISA, PCI cards. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 3 3:57:12 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp (shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp [133.30.50.200]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE9537B60C; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 03:57:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from takawata@shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp) Received: from shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp (8.8.8+2.7Wbeta7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA08643; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:50:08 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200003031150.UAA08643@shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp> To: Navan Carson Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-qa@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIOS settings (was Instrallation floppies and USB) In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:39:15 MST" References: <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 20:50:07 +0900 From: Takanori Watanabe Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com>, Navan Carson wrote: >> > Plug and Play OS [Yes] >> >> Should be No. >> > >How does this setting effect traditional ISA, PNP ISA, PCI cards. > This setting tells BIOS not to set any PnP setting, because OS itself want to set it arbitary. And any version FreeBSD ever have been released expects BIOS to set PnP setting. Takanori Watanabe Public Key Key fingerprint = 2C 51 E2 78 2C E1 C5 2D 0F F1 20 A3 11 3A 62 2A To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 3 4:16: 6 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from Brigada-A.Ethereal.RU (Brigada-A.ethereal.ru [195.230.65.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3521F37B5D1; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 04:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nms@Brigada-A.Ethereal.RU) Received: by Brigada-A.Ethereal.RU (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E42911F0; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:15:59 +0300 (MSK) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 15:15:59 +0300 From: Nikolai Saoukh To: Takanori Watanabe Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-qa@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIOS settings (was Instrallation floppies and USB) Message-ID: <20000303151559.A4330@Draculina.Universe> References: <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com> <200003031150.UAA08643@shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <200003031150.UAA08643@shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp>; from takawata@shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp on Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 08:50:07PM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 08:50:07PM +0900, Takanori Watanabe wrote: > In message <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com>, Navan Carson wrote: > >> > Plug and Play OS [Yes] > >> > >> Should be No. > >> > > > >How does this setting effect traditional ISA, PNP ISA, PCI cards. > > > > This setting tells BIOS not to set any PnP setting, > because OS itself want to set it arbitary. > And any version FreeBSD ever have been released expects BIOS to > set PnP setting. Well, what then pnp stuff (/usr/src/sys/isa/pnp*) do in -current? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 3 7:27:50 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBA137BB6B; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:27:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA86852; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:27:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 09:27:13 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: Nikolai Saoukh Cc: Takanori Watanabe , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BIOS settings (was Instrallation floppies and USB) Message-ID: <20000303092713.A82918@dan.emsphone.com> References: <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com> <200003031150.UAA08643@shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp> <20000303151559.A4330@Draculina.Universe> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.5i In-Reply-To: <20000303151559.A4330@Draculina.Universe>; from "Nikolai Saoukh" on Fri Mar 3 15:15:59 GMT 2000 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In the last episode (Mar 03), Nikolai Saoukh said: > On Fri, Mar 03, 2000 at 08:50:07PM +0900, Takanori Watanabe wrote: > > In message <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com>, Navan Carson wrote: > > >> > Plug and Play OS [Yes] > > >> > > >> Should be No. > > > > > >How does this setting effect traditional ISA, PNP ISA, PCI cards. > > > > This setting tells BIOS not to set any PnP setting, because OS > > itself want to set it arbitary. And any version FreeBSD ever have > > been released expects BIOS to set PnP setting. > > Well, what then pnp stuff (/usr/src/sys/isa/pnp*) do in -current? It lets the kernel scan for pnp hardware and assign drivers to it based on PnP ID (see sio.c, the sio_ids[] array for an example). It does not do conflict resolution. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@emsphone.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 3 8:31:28 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from bluebottle.calcaphon.com (calcaphon.demon.co.uk [193.237.19.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0418037B615; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 08:30:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from henny.webweaving.org (dhcp36.calcaphon.com [10.0.1.36]) by bluebottle.calcaphon.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA42853; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:31:02 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henny.webweaving.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01446; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:11:43 GMT (envelope-from n_hibma@calcaphon.com) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:11:43 +0000 (GMT) From: Nick Hibma X-Sender: n_hibma@localhost Reply-To: Nick Hibma To: Navan Carson Cc: FreeBSD-current@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-qa@freebsd.org, FreeBSD-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BIOS settings (was Instrallation floppies and USB) In-Reply-To: <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > > Plug and Play OS [Yes] > > > > Should be No. > > > > How does this setting effect traditional ISA, PNP ISA, PCI cards. Some might not be initiased. The basic point is that FreeBSD does not do the device enumeration and therefore any device that has not been configured by the BIOS or the previous OS (like Windows) is not accessable. Sometimes the BIOS wipes the configuration upon reboot and in that case the settings Windows has left behind are no longer available. Nick -- n_hibma@webweaving.org n_hibma@freebsd.org USB project http://www.etla.net/~n_hibma/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 3 17:34:45 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.village.org [204.144.255.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B5637B5DE; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 17:34:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA43564; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:34:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.9.3/8.8.3) with ESMTP id SAA26410; Fri, 3 Mar 2000 18:34:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200003040134.SAA26410@harmony.village.org> To: Nikolai Saoukh Subject: Re: BIOS settings (was Instrallation floppies and USB) Cc: Takanori Watanabe , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:15:59 +0300." <20000303151559.A4330@Draculina.Universe> References: <20000303151559.A4330@Draculina.Universe> <38BF33E3.C21FB2A2@yahoo.com> <200003031150.UAA08643@shidahara1.planet.sci.kobe-u.ac.jp> Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 18:34:12 -0700 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20000303151559.A4330@Draculina.Universe> Nikolai Saoukh writes: : what then pnp stuff (/usr/src/sys/isa/pnp*) do in -current? That just deals with the isa pnp expansion cards. the PnP BIOS setting to "no" means that the BIOS will enable all the PnP (not just ISA add on cards) devices before passing control to the os. With it set to yes, the OS has to do this activation, and FreeBSD doesn't do that yet. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message