From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 7:51:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D76A37B406; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:51:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6OEpSs00273; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:51:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:51:28 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Stephane E. Potvin" Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca>; from sepotvin@videotron.ca on Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:39:18PM -0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:39:18PM -0400, Stephane E. Potvin wrote: > > > FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 > > > spotvin@zeus.videotron.ca:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD/src/sys/arm/ > > > compile/NETWINDER ..snip.. > I'll try to post my work next weekend so people could have a peek at it. Please do so on the freebsd-arm@freebsd.org mailing list. This is also important as we'd like all new platforms to follow the "FreeBSD" way. (granted it is being defined along with the other new platform work going on) > I'm currently using a netwinder 275 for my development. It's a SA110 based > machine with a 21285 (aka footbridge) host controller. You can check > http://www.netwinder.org/ for more details about the machine. These machines are almost impossible to find, and very expensive when you do find one. Are you open to developing on a DEC DNARD(shark) instead? More people have these and I can put one in your hands. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 8:53:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F33E337B40B for ; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:53:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karsten@rohrbach.de) Received: (qmail 61732 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Jul 2001 15:55:11 -0000 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 17:55:11 +0200 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: David O'Brien Cc: "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> Mail-Followup-To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , David O'Brien , "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lMM8JwqTlfDpEaS6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:51:28AM -0700 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.webmonster.de/ X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --lMM8JwqTlfDpEaS6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David O'Brien(obrien@FreeBSD.ORG)@2001.07.24 07:51:28 +0000: > On Mon, Jul 23, 2001 at 09:39:18PM -0400, Stephane E. Potvin wrote: > > > > FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT #271: Sun Jul 22 08:36:22 EDT 2001 > > > > spotvin@zeus.videotron.ca:/usr/local/users/spotvin/work/FreeBSD= /src/sys/arm/ > > > > compile/NETWINDER > ..snip.. >=20 > > I'll try to post my work next weekend so people could have a peek at it. >=20 > Please do so on the freebsd-arm@freebsd.org mailing list. > This is also important as we'd like all new platforms to follow the > "FreeBSD" way. (granted it is being defined along with the other new > platform work going on) > =20 > > I'm currently using a netwinder 275 for my development. It's a SA110 ba= sed > > machine with a 21285 (aka footbridge) host controller. You can check > > http://www.netwinder.org/ for more details about the machine. >=20 > These machines are almost impossible to find, and very expensive when you > do find one. Are you open to developing on a DEC DNARD(shark) instead? > More people have these and I can put one in your hands. where can i get those platforms in europe (germany)? have you got a contact at dec? /k --=20 > "Examining the world's major religions. I'm looking for something that's= =20 > light on morals, has lots of holidays, and with a short initiation period= ." KR433/KR11-RIPE -- WebMonster Community Founder -- nGENn GmbH Senior Techie http://www.webmonster.de/ -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ -- http://www.ngenn.n= et/ karsten&rohrbach.de -- alpha&ngenn.net -- alpha&scene.org -- catch@spam.de GnuPG 0x2964BF46 2001-03-15 42F9 9FFF 50D4 2F38 DBEE DF22 3340 4F4E 2964 B= F46 Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 1= 0x --lMM8JwqTlfDpEaS6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7XZpfM0BPTilkv0YRAq5FAKCBh84QyAYyaWzJ9WbHPj54zuEBSwCeKGdk R/B9ajxmaLOMY7+rFyQOMKU= =e+1l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lMM8JwqTlfDpEaS6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 9:49:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from barry.mail.mindspring.net (barry.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.25]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869FC37B405; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:49:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfeustel@mindspring.com) Received: from dafcopreqlqo05 (1Cust250.tnt1.fort-wayne.in.da.uu.net [63.23.159.250]) by barry.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA11868; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> From: "Dave Feustel" To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , "David O'Brien" Cc: "Stephane E. Potvin" , , References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:49:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: "David O'Brien" Cc: "Stephane E. Potvin" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 10:55 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 20: 0:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E93737B405; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:00:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6P2xfO07226; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:59:41 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Dave Feustel Cc: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05>; from dfeustel@mindspring.com on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com > are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ This brings up the issue of reference platform for the StrongARM port. There is no one clear choice as there is for the PowerPC. Realistically, we probably need to pick an easily obtainable consumer StrongARM product. The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard drive, or serial console capabilities. Of all the products I know of, I like the CATS board the best. However, the last time I investigated the CATS board, they were very expensive and hard to find in the USA. For some reason $600 stands out in my mind. I know of 10+ DNARDs in the BSD community, thus my preference for that machine as the reference platform. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 20: 0:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B451C37B403; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:00:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6P30Dc07290; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:00:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:00:12 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" Cc: "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010724200012.F5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de>; from karsten@rohrbach.de on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:55:11PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 05:55:11PM +0200, Karsten W. Rohrbach wrote: > where can i get those platforms in europe (germany)? No clue. > have you got a contact at dec? Dried up. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 20: 5:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA1437B406; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:05:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6P35jF58294; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:05:46 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6P35io03390; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:05:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107250305.f6P35io03390@harmony.village.org> To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:59:41 PDT." <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:05:44 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: : The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly : at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard : drive, or serial console capabilities. I thought it did have a serial port... All of the PocketPC machines I've looked at do, but I haven't looked that close at the iPaq. All of them have some funky connector for their serial port, but that comes with the units. However, the iPaq is a little hard to develop on... There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that would make a much better platform. They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on them, which would allow one to host the FreeSBD development on them if you really wanted to do so. The HP Journada is likely the best known of this series and the NetBSD folks have already figured out all the hair for things like boot loader and the like. Failing that, the DNARD certainly is a cool machine and might make a good reference platform. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 20: 8:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A36037B408; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:08:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6P38iF58308; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:08:44 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6P38ho03442; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:08:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107250308.f6P38ho03442@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor To: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:05:44 MDT." <200107250305.f6P35io03390@harmony.village.org> References: <200107250305.f6P35io03390@harmony.village.org> <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:08:43 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <200107250305.f6P35io03390@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that : would make a much better platform. They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on : them, which would allow one to host the FreeSBD development on them if : you really wanted to do so. The HP Journada is likely the best known : of this series and the NetBSD folks have already figured out all the : hair for things like boot loader and the like. Also forgot to mention that the Journada also is readily available on Ebay for a few hundred. :-) Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 20:48:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950A037B406; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:48:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6P3mRF07855; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:48:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:48:22 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Warner Losh Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010724204822.G5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <200107250305.f6P35io03390@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107250305.f6P35io03390@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:05:44PM -0600 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:05:44PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that > would make a much better platform. They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on These sound hard to develop for as you'll probably have to launch them from Windows CE. > Failing that, the DNARD certainly is a cool machine and might make a > good reference platform. Especially since their firmware is just like any Real Unix hardware in that it does serial console when the keyboard is not plugged in and does net booting trivially. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 20:58:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00A637B408; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:57:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6P3vvF58471; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:57:58 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.4) with ESMTP id f6P3vvo03789; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:57:57 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200107250357.f6P3vvo03789@harmony.village.org> To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Cc: freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:48:22 PDT." <20010724204822.G5825@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20010724204822.G5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <200107250305.f6P35io03390@harmony.village.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:57:56 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20010724204822.G5825@dragon.nuxi.com> "David O'Brien" writes: : On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:05:44PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: : > There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that : > would make a much better platform. They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on : : These sound hard to develop for as you'll probably have to launch them : from Windows CE. Yes, you would, but that's trivial to do. It isn't hard at all. WinCE boots very quickly, and you can set things up so that the boot loader runs before the touch screen calibration. The boot loader you pick either the netbsk kernel or the FreeBSD kernel (there's a pulldown of the recent ones, iirc) and hit OK. If you aren't hacking PBSDBOOT.EXE, it is a piece of cake. Having done a fair amount of that while getting NetBSD/hpcmips going on my machine... : > Failing that, the DNARD certainly is a cool machine and might make a : > good reference platform. : : Especially since their firmware is just like any Real Unix hardware in : that it does serial console when the keyboard is not plugged in and does : net booting trivially. True. But the DNARDs may be harder to get than these boxes. Then again, maybe not. Just offering the Wince boxes as an option, because they also have a high coolness factor in addition to being easy to come by. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Tue Jul 24 21:55:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from db.wireless.net (adsl-gte-la-216-86-194-70.mminternet.com [216.86.194.70]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7E637B401; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:55:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Received: from dbm.wireless.net (dbm.wireless.net [192.168.0.2]) by db.wireless.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA93998; Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:54:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dbutter@wireless.net) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Devin Butterfield To: "David O'Brien" , Dave Feustel Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:58:39 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072421583901.05949@dbm.wireless.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tuesday 24 July 2001 7:59, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > > Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies > > http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek > > http://www.simtec.co.uk/ > > This brings up the issue of reference platform for the StrongARM port. > There is no one clear choice as there is for the PowerPC. Realistically, > we probably need to pick an easily obtainable consumer StrongARM product. > The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly > at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard > drive, or serial console capabilities. The ipaqs do have a serial port. I've been playing with linux on mine for a while now and I frequently use the serial console. Some good points about the ipaq are that it is readily available, most all the hardware specs are available from the CRL (Compaq's Cambridge Research Lab) folks at handhelds.org, and of course the coolness factor. :) -- Regards, Devin. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Jul 25 0:26: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.121.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CBF37B406; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:25:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from mindspring.com (dialup-209.245.141.74.Dial1.SanJose1.Level3.net [209.245.141.74]) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02581; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3B5E74A8.4FC67BC9@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:26:32 -0700 From: Terry Lambert Reply-To: tlambert2@mindspring.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Feustel Cc: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , "David O'Brien" , "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Dave Feustel wrote: > > Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com > are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ No pricing anywhere that I could find. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Jul 25 2:45:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C6737B40B; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 02:45:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from chris@paradox.demon.co.uk) Received: from paradox.demon.co.uk ([194.222.29.33] helo=pinky.paradox.demon.co.uk) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 15PLE4-00049g-0K; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:45:08 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Chris Gilbert To: Terry Lambert , Dave Feustel Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:45:05 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , "David O'Brien" , "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> <3B5E74A8.4FC67BC9@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3B5E74A8.4FC67BC9@mindspring.com> Organization: NetBSD MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01072510450500.07630@pinky.paradox.demon.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wednesday 25 July 2001 8:26 am, Terry Lambert wrote: > Dave Feustel wrote: > > Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies > > http://www.chaltech.com are available from Simtek > > http://www.simtec.co.uk/ > > No pricing anywhere that I could find. I believe that they cost about 700 ukp for a complete system (simtec do still sell them) the board alone is 350ukp (the reason for the cost is that they don't mass produce them to the same scale as pc motherboard makers) However you can get them second hand for less. AFAIR my 2nd hand box was about 400 ukp (cats board, case, psu, network, graphics, new 40GB hard disc), note that the 2nd hand box has the rev S chip with the ldmib bug, but that's not been shown to be an issue. One issue with them is that the memory is fairly specific on the timing front, and number of banks, eg it has to be PC66 in one slot, and also 2 banks, but if you leave that slot empty you can use PC100 and 4 bank in the other slot. Your also limited on graphics capability, I believe that mach64 and S3 cards work. Others may also work. The issue is that the BIOS has to emulate enough of an x86 for the graphics card to startup. Simtec have said they may improve/expand the emulation to allow them to boot more recent cards. -- Chris Gilbert chris@netbsd.org Portmaster, NetBSD/cats http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/cats/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Jul 25 5: 0:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B399337B40A; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:00:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dfeustel@mindspring.com) Received: from dafcopreqlqo05 (1Cust26.tnt5.fort-wayne.in.da.uu.net [63.17.239.26]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id HAA23915; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005701c11501$4647dd70$1aef113f@dafcopreqlqo05> From: "Dave Feustel" To: Cc: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , "David O'Brien" , "Stephane E. Potvin" , , References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> <3B5E74A8.4FC67BC9@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:59:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The fast cheap way to get going with this product is to buy a complete strongarm pc from Simtek. The slow cheap way is to just buy the motherboard and buy the rest of the components in the US. I took the slow cheap way. I can't remember any more what I paid for the motherboard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Lambert" To: "Dave Feustel" Cc: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" ; "David O'Brien" ; "Stephane E. Potvin" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 2:26 AM Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor > Dave Feustel wrote: > > > > Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com > > are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ > > No pricing anywhere that I could find. > > -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Jul 25 5:37:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72B6737B403 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:37:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from karsten@rohrbach.de) Received: (qmail 80556 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Jul 2001 12:45:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:45:02 +0200 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: David O'Brien Cc: Dave Feustel , "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010725144502.A80408@mail.webmonster.de> Mail-Followup-To: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" , David O'Brien , Dave Feustel , "Stephane E. Potvin" , freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:59:41PM -0700 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.webmonster.de/ X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David O'Brien(obrien@FreeBSD.ORG)@2001.07.24 19:59:41 +0000: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > > Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltec= h.com > > are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ >=20 > This brings up the issue of reference platform for the StrongARM port. > There is no one clear choice as there is for the PowerPC. Realistically, > we probably need to pick an easily obtainable consumer StrongARM product. > The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly > at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard > drive, or serial console capabilities. the H3660 with dual pcmcia jacket gives all this (wavelan/ethernet/microdrive/sandisk/whatever). it is not very developer-friendly, though. my ipaq is on order, let's see what firmware it uses for booting... > Of all the products I know of, I like the CATS board the best. However, > the last time I investigated the CATS board, they were very expensive and > hard to find in the USA. For some reason $600 stands out in my mind. I > know of 10+ DNARDs in the BSD community, thus my preference for that > machine as the reference platform. the cats is non-portable, non-mobile ;-] i don't know where to get the sa1110 reference design from intel here in europe (i guess that intel does not want european people develop on mobile equipment) but this would be a starting point. AFAIK, designs like the ipaq are close to the reference board. my old newton has nearly the same configuration like the sa1100 edk platform (brutus). when i think about strongarm platforms i do not consider implementing settop or other non-mobile scenarios because pc102 or similar pc hardware is getting really cheap at the moment and the toolchains are broadly available. /k --=20 > Hackers do it with bugs. KR433/KR11-RIPE -- WebMonster Community Founder -- nGENn GmbH Senior Techie http://www.webmonster.de/ -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ -- http://www.ngenn.n= et/ karsten&rohrbach.de -- alpha&ngenn.net -- alpha&scene.org -- catch@spam.de GnuPG 0x2964BF46 2001-03-15 42F9 9FFF 50D4 2F38 DBEE DF22 3340 4F4E 2964 B= F46 Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 1= 0x --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Xr9OM0BPTilkv0YRAv69AKC1iFepmqsYP03CjMZmZ1Dw2g8cdwCfZm34 0nu0K7t6UhuYzuQtgvtpjmU= =KZOH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cNdxnHkX5QqsyA0e-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Jul 25 6:13:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from rjspc.genrad.com (x100.genrad.co.uk [195.99.3.100]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD52D37B406; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:13:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjs@rjspc.genrad.com) Received: (from rjs@localhost) by rjspc.genrad.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PDLK500455; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:21:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rjs) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:21:21 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107251321.f6PDLK500455@rjspc.genrad.com> From: Robert Swindells To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dfeustel@mindspring.com, karsten@rohrbach.de, sepotvin@videotron.ca, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> (obrien@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Reply-To: rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG [Removed -hackers from reply] >On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: >> Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com >> are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ >This brings up the issue of reference platform for the StrongARM port. >There is no one clear choice as there is for the PowerPC. Realistically, >we probably need to pick an easily obtainable consumer StrongARM product. >The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly >at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard >drive, or serial console capabilities. I would suggest that at least two reference platforms are needed. The Compaq iPAQ is very different to a Netwinder/CATS/DNARD class machine since it uses the SA1110 rather than the SA110 + 21285. If anyone has got one, the Intel IQ80310 board is another potential target. Anyone developing new network or server products would use the 80310 instead of the SA110. The iPAQ is extremely developer-friendly IMHO. Compaq CRL do a very good job of providing documentation and firmware for it. The same firmware also supports the Jornada 720. >Of all the products I know of, I like the CATS board the best. However, >the last time I investigated the CATS board, they were very expensive and >hard to find in the USA. For some reason $600 stands out in my mind. I >know of 10+ DNARDs in the BSD community, thus my preference for that >machine as the reference platform. The main differences between the NetBSD ports to the Netwinder, CATS and DNARD are caused by their different firmware. The rest is well enough understood that they could have equal status as a reference platform. Robert Swindells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Jul 25 12:51: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from ns.nmss.com (gateus.nmss.com [208.236.204.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F5A237B401 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:51:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sepotvin@videotron.ca) Received: from nmsnotes4.nmss.com by ns.nmss.com via smtpd (for hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) with SMTP; 25 Jul 2001 14:47:54 UT Received: from zeus.videotron.ca ([10.10.20.51]) by notes4.nmss.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.07a) with ESMTP id 2001072515502143:14805 ; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:50:21 -0400 Received: (from spotvin@localhost) by zeus.videotron.ca (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6PN10702713 for freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:01:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from spotvin) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:00:55 -0400 From: "Stephane E. Potvin" To: freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010725190055.A2463@zeus.videotron.ca> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010722124327.C575@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010722151056.E49508@sneakerz.org> <20010723213918.A736@zeus.videotron.ca> <20010724075128.C110@dragon.nuxi.com> <20010724175511.C59947@mail.webmonster.de> <001501c11460$9511c430$fa9f173f@dafcopreqlqo05> <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:59:41PM -0700 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on NMS_Notes4/Natural MicroSystems/US(Release 5.07a |May 14, 2001) at 07/25/2001 03:50:21 PM, Serialize by Router on NMS_Notes4/Natural MicroSystems/US(Release 5.07a |May 14, 2001) at 07/25/2001 03:50:26 PM, Serialize complete at 07/25/2001 03:50:26 PM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 07:59:41PM -0700, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Jul 24, 2001 at 11:49:16AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: > > Strongarm-based pcs designed by Chalice Technologies http://www.chaltech.com > > are available from Simtek http://www.simtec.co.uk/ > > This brings up the issue of reference platform for the StrongARM port. > There is no one clear choice as there is for the PowerPC. Realistically, > we probably need to pick an easily obtainable consumer StrongARM product. > The Compaq iPaq comes to mind. However, it is not development-friendly > at the moment as it does not have peripherals such as built-in NIC, hard > drive, or serial console capabilities. > > Of all the products I know of, I like the CATS board the best. However, > the last time I investigated the CATS board, they were very expensive and > hard to find in the USA. For some reason $600 stands out in my mind. I > know of 10+ DNARDs in the BSD community, thus my preference for that > machine as the reference platform. While I understand the motives behind the choice of a reference platform that would be easily obtainable by anybody, the only platform I currently have to do my development is my NetWinder (this may change if something comes out of your previous offer). Until such time, I will have to continue on what I have even if it's not the "coolest" one available on the market. I'm really sorry if this sounds harch but I unfortunately don't have the 700-800$ that it would take to buy a iPaq or a Jornada. Steph To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Wed Jul 25 19: 8:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (chmls05.mediaone.net [24.147.1.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E63837B401; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tadayuki@mediaone.net) Received: from photoniii (h0005025b549e.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.117.91]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f6Q28DX10843; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:10:14 -0400 From: Tadayuki OKADA To: rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk Cc: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG, dfeustel@mindspring.com, karsten@rohrbach.de, sepotvin@videotron.ca, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-Id: <20010725221014.73b89e21.tadayuki@mediaone.net> In-Reply-To: <200107251321.f6PDLK500455@rjspc.genrad.com> References: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <200107251321.f6PDLK500455@rjspc.genrad.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.4.66 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG How about intrinsyc's cerfcube? It's cheap. http://www.intrinsyc.com/products/referencedesigns/cerfcube.html On Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:21:21 +0100 (BST) Robert Swindells wrote: > The Compaq iPAQ is very different to a Netwinder/CATS/DNARD class > machine since it uses the SA1110 rather than the SA110 + 21285. > > If anyone has got one, the Intel IQ80310 board is another potential > target. Anyone developing new network or server products would use > the 80310 instead of the SA110. > > The iPAQ is extremely developer-friendly IMHO. Compaq CRL do a very > good job of providing documentation and firmware for it. The same > firmware also supports the Jornada 720. -- Tadayuki OKADA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Thu Jul 26 12:49:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D137B407 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:49:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6QJnPB96788; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:49:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:49:25 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk Cc: dfeustel@mindspring.com, karsten@rohrbach.de, sepotvin@videotron.ca, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010726124924.B96660@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010724195941.E5825@dragon.nuxi.com> <200107251321.f6PDLK500455@rjspc.genrad.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107251321.f6PDLK500455@rjspc.genrad.com>; from rjs@genrad.co.uk on Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:21:21PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:21:21PM +0100, Robert Swindells wrote: > I would suggest that at least two reference platforms are needed. I personally am not sure about that. People may have an assumption that FreeBSD wants to do as Wind River does -- that is WRS natively supports every commercially available PowerPC or StrongARM board there is. This includes non-CPU chipset support. This is way beyond what FreeBSD can really do (IMHO). What FreeBSD can do, is provide a distribution that runs on the selected FreeBSD selected reference HW. Those wanting to use FreeBSD in some embedded application now have a set of bits to start from. > The Compaq iPAQ is very different to a Netwinder/CATS/DNARD class > machine since it uses the SA1110 rather than the SA110 + 21285. > If anyone has got one, the Intel IQ80310 board is another potential > target. Anyone developing new network or server products would use > the 80310 instead of the SA110. "if anyone has got one" is the problem. I spoke with an Intel rep from their embedded division last night. They were not able to recommend a reference board/machine from Intel to use for this because they really don't have a good offering. > The iPAQ is extremely developer-friendly IMHO. Compaq CRL do a very > good job of providing documentation and firmware for it. The same > firmware also supports the Jornada 720. I cannot easily put a real keyboard and monitor on an iPAQ can I? Or use a serial console? The issue isn't necessarily how helpful the vendor is, but how easily I can turn the HW into something that resembles a development computer. I don't want to have to use graffiti to do toolchain development. The demos I've seen of the iPAQ you have to use the stylus rather than mouse. I did see one very chinsey(sp?) keyboard solution for the iPAQ, but not the ability to use a real mouse, etc. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Thu Jul 26 13:20:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from hobbit.ccrypt.net (tycho-165-227-57-20.tychonet.com [165.227.57.20]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854C937B401; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gollum@ccrypt.net) Received: from localhost (gollum@localhost) by hobbit.ccrypt.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f6QKMvW17768; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:22:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Graff To: "David O'Brien" Cc: , , , , Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor In-Reply-To: <20010726124924.B96660@dragon.nuxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You can serial console into the ipaq. I don't know about a monitor you might be able to use some kind of pcmcia vga card. As for a keyboard, stowaway keyboard is very usable, and currently works under linux on the ipaq. ---- Joshua Graff gollum@ccrypt.* (.com, .net, .org) On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, David O'Brien wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:21:21PM +0100, Robert Swindells wrote: > > I would suggest that at least two reference platforms are needed. > > I personally am not sure about that. People may have an assumption that > FreeBSD wants to do as Wind River does -- that is WRS natively supports > every commercially available PowerPC or StrongARM board there is. This > includes non-CPU chipset support. This is way beyond what FreeBSD can > really do (IMHO). What FreeBSD can do, is provide a distribution that > runs on the selected FreeBSD selected reference HW. Those wanting to use > FreeBSD in some embedded application now have a set of bits to start > from. > > > > The Compaq iPAQ is very different to a Netwinder/CATS/DNARD class > > machine since it uses the SA1110 rather than the SA110 + 21285. > > > If anyone has got one, the Intel IQ80310 board is another potential > > target. Anyone developing new network or server products would use > > the 80310 instead of the SA110. > > "if anyone has got one" is the problem. I spoke with an Intel rep from > their embedded division last night. They were not able to recommend a > reference board/machine from Intel to use for this because they really > don't have a good offering. > > > > The iPAQ is extremely developer-friendly IMHO. Compaq CRL do a very > > good job of providing documentation and firmware for it. The same > > firmware also supports the Jornada 720. > > I cannot easily put a real keyboard and monitor on an iPAQ can I? Or use > a serial console? > The issue isn't necessarily how helpful the vendor is, but how easily I > can turn the HW into something that resembles a development computer. > I don't want to have to use graffiti to do toolchain development. > > The demos I've seen of the iPAQ you have to use the stylus rather than > mouse. I did see one very chinsey(sp?) keyboard solution for the iPAQ, > but not the ability to use a real mouse, etc. > > -- > -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Thu Jul 26 16:16:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from ren.fdy2.net (fdy2.demon.co.uk [194.222.102.143]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB4C37B401; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:16:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rjs@ren.fdy2.net) Received: (from rjs@localhost) by ren.fdy2.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f6QNH7710115; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:17:07 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from rjs) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 00:17:07 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200107262317.f6QNH7710115@ren.fdy2.net> From: Robert Swindells To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: dfeustel@mindspring.com, karsten@rohrbach.de, sepotvin@videotron.ca, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20010726124924.B96660@dragon.nuxi.com> (obrien@FreeBSD.ORG) Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: >On Wed, Jul 25, 2001 at 02:21:21PM +0100, Robert Swindells wrote: >> I would suggest that at least two reference platforms are needed. >I personally am not sure about that. People may have an assumption that >FreeBSD wants to do as Wind River does -- that is WRS natively supports >every commercially available PowerPC or StrongARM board there is. This >includes non-CPU chipset support. This is way beyond what FreeBSD can >really do (IMHO). What FreeBSD can do, is provide a distribution that >runs on the selected FreeBSD selected reference HW. Those wanting to use >FreeBSD in some embedded application now have a set of bits to start >from. I'm not suggesting supporting everything, I am suggesting that things like the iPAQ and Jornada 720 are sufficiently different to systems like the Netwinder to require almost another port. Stephane is developing on the Netwinder. It is a perfectly good example of a StrongARM server design. If FreeBSD/arm wants to target battery powered devices as well as servers it needs to choose a SA1110 based reference platform too. You were the one that suggested the iPAQ. >> If anyone has got one, the Intel IQ80310 board is another potential >> target. Anyone developing new network or server products would use >> the 80310 instead of the SA110. >"if anyone has got one" is the problem. I spoke with an Intel rep from >their embedded division last night. They were not able to recommend a >reference board/machine from Intel to use for this because they really >don't have a good offering. The IQ80310 is produced by the networking division. I have no idea whether it is any good or not, but it does have both eCos and Linux ports. >> The iPAQ is extremely developer-friendly IMHO. Compaq CRL do a very >> good job of providing documentation and firmware for it. The same >> firmware also supports the Jornada 720. >I cannot easily put a real keyboard and monitor on an iPAQ can I? There is X server kdrive support for pcmcia vga cards. You can't plug them into the Jornada either, though it does have the hardware to drive them. >Or use a serial console? You can use a serial console. The pinouts are on the Handhelds web site. >The issue isn't necessarily how helpful the vendor is, but how easily I >can turn the HW into something that resembles a development computer. >I don't want to have to use graffiti to do toolchain development. I wouldn't have got as far as I have in putting NetBSD onto the SA1110 without the work that Compaq Research have done. You can always telnet or ssh into the device and set it to display on your desktop or x86 laptop. I have done development in a hotel room using my Libretto connected to a credit card sized board that we make. Linux also has a USB driver for desktop systems that will detect the USB slave port on the iPAQ as if it were a USB ethernet controller. >The demos I've seen of the iPAQ you have to use the stylus rather than >mouse. I did see one very chinsey(sp?) keyboard solution for the iPAQ, >but not the ability to use a real mouse, etc. You can't use a real mouse unless you have the SA1111 companion chip. There are a few web pad designs that should be shipped over the summer that bring out all the I/O ports. Robert Swindells To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Fri Jul 27 8:46: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from shaft.techsupport.co.uk (shaft.techsupport.co.uk [212.250.77.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA45337B405 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 08:46:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rasputin@shaft.techsupport.co.uk) Received: from rasputin by shaft.techsupport.co.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 15Q9tE-000Cn0-00 for freebsd-arm@freebsd.org; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:51:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 16:51:00 +0100 From: Rasputin To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010727165059.A49152@shaft.techsupport.co.uk> Reply-To: Rasputin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG David O'Brien wrote: > On Tuesday, Jul 24, 2001 at 09:05:44PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > There are a number of other StrongARM based Windows CE machines that > > would make a much better platform. They even have NetBSD/hpcarm on > > These sound hard to develop for as you'll probably have to launch them > from Windows CE. I may be wrong, but I got the impression from members of the NetBSD arm crowd that the iPaq and Journada stored WinCE in flash ROM. So in theory at least, you could exorcise WinCE from them. Whether that's useful or not is another issue, of course... -- "I mean heck, it's even got a graphical configurator, so you don't have to use the command line to hose your system anymore." -- GDM 2.2.2 release notes Rasputin :: Jack of All Trades - Master of Nuns :: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-arm Fri Jul 27 10: 3:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-arm@freebsd.org Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [206.40.252.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8ACB37B409 for ; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:03:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f6RH2eJ44156; Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 10:02:40 -0700 From: "David O'Brien" To: Robert Swindells Cc: dfeustel@mindspring.com, karsten@rohrbach.de, sepotvin@videotron.ca, freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD for ARM processor Message-ID: <20010727100240.A43542@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010726124924.B96660@dragon.nuxi.com> <200107262317.f6QNH7710115@ren.fdy2.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200107262317.f6QNH7710115@ren.fdy2.net>; from rjs@fdy2.demon.co.uk on Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 12:17:07AM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-arm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 12:17:07AM +0100, Robert Swindells wrote: > >Or use a serial console? > > You can use a serial console. The pinouts are on the Handhelds web > site. ... > Linux also has a USB driver for desktop systems that will detect the > USB slave port on the iPAQ as if it were a USB ethernet controller. Ok, you've convinced me that the iPAQ may be an excellent reference platform for this. :-) -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-arm" in the body of the message