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>Number:         24322
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       [PATCH] New FAQ entry about kernel build failures
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          change-request
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Sun Jan 14 02:30:01 PST 2001
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Dima Dorfman
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.0-20010101-CURRENT i386
>Organization:
Private
>Environment:
System: FreeBSD spike.unixfreak.org 5.0-20010101-CURRENT FreeBSD 5.0-20010101-CURRENT #6: Tue Jan 2 03:14:04 PST 2001 dima@spike.unixfreak.org:/usr/home/dima/w/f/src/sys/compile/SPIKE i386


>Description:

It's enough that the kernel build process isn't fool-proof (not that I
think it necessarily should be; it's easy enough, and at some point
one must stop trying to take care of those afraid of a little
thinking), but many users get even more frustrated when the build of
the GENERIC kernel fails.  This entry attempts to explain some of the
common causes for GENERIC failing to build.  It was inspired by the
occasional bursts of complains about GENERIC failing to build
following changes to gcc or other build tools.

>How-To-Repeat:

Read freebsd-(questions|stable) for a while.  Look for threads about
kernels failing to build even though the originator "tried everything"
(except for buildworld before buildkernel, that is!)

>Fix:

Apply the following patch to doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml.

Index: book.sgml
===================================================================
RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/faq/book.sgml,v
retrieving revision 1.137
diff -u -r1.137 book.sgml
--- book.sgml	2001/01/11 00:16:46	1.137
+++ book.sgml	2001/01/14 03:26:06
@@ -4833,6 +4833,56 @@
 
         </answer>
       </qandaentry>
+
+      <qandaentry>
+        <question id="generic-kernel-build-failure">
+          <para>Every kernel I try to build fails to compile; even
+            GENERIC.</para>
+        </question>
+	
+        <answer>
+          <para>There are a number of possible causes for this problem.
+            They are, in no particular order:</para>
+
+          <itemizedlist>
+            <listitem>
+              <para>You are not using the new <command>make
+                buildkernel</command> and <command>make
+                installkernel</command> targets, and your source tree is
+                different from the one used to build the currently running
+                system (e.g., you're compiling 4.2-RELEASE on a 4.0-RELEASE
+                system).  If you're attempting an upgrade, please read the
+                <filename>/usr/src/UPDATING</filename> file, paying
+                particular attention to the <quote>COMMON ITEMS</quote>
+                section at the end.</para>
+            </listitem>
+
+            <listitem>
+              <para>You are using the new <command>make
+                buildkernel</command> and <command>make
+                installkernel</command> targets, but you failed to assert
+                the completion of the <command>make buildworld</command>
+                target.  The <command>make buildkernel</command> target
+                relies on files generated by the <command>make
+                buildworld</command> target to complete its job
+                correctly.</para>
+            </listitem>
+
+            <listitem>
+              <para>Even if you are trying to build <link
+                linkend="stable">FreeBSD-STABLE</link>, it is possible that
+                you fetched the source tree at a time when it was either
+                being modified, or broken for other reasons; only releases
+                are absolutly guaranteed to be buildable, although <link
+                linkend="stable">FreeBSD-STABLE</link> builds fine the
+                majority of the time.  If you have not already done so, try
+                re-fetching the source tree and see if the problem goes
+                away.  Try using a different server in case the one you're
+                using is having problems.</para>
+            </listitem>
+          </itemizedlist>
+        </answer>
+      </qandaentry>
     </qandaset>
   </chapter>


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Hi,

  Could you add a new book on FreeBSD that Addison Wesley published
to the English language books & Magazines section of this URL:

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/bibliography.html

The book is

The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide

and there is a website that tells more about it at

http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com/

Thanks!

Ted


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>Number:         24323
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       man page for pstat(8) missing description for -N and -M
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
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>Arrival-Date:   Sun Jan 14 07:40:00 PST 2001
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>Originator:     Jesse Monroy
>Release:        3.5
>Organization:
Digital Marshalls
>Environment:
FreeBSD jigsaw.svbug.com 3.5-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.5-RELEASE #0: Sat Nov 11 04:32:50 PST 2000     jessem@jigsaw.svbug.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/JENAUDIO  i386

>Description:
man page for pstat(8) missing description for -N and -M

Please check page this is my first try at this formatting code.
Also, I don't even understand kvm_*, my fix may not have
all the ramifications of -M and -N.

pstat(8) was referenced from pstat.c Revision 1.52 CVS Tags:HEAD

-M information was pulled from kvm_openfiles(3)
-N also from kvm_openfiles(3)


>How-To-Repeat:
n/a
>Fix:
.It Fl M core
core can be crash dump core generated by savecore(8).
Currently core-dumps not implemented.
.It FL N system
system can be the executable image of a kernel being examined.
It must contain a symbol table.


>Release-Note:
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On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 10:55:46PM +0000, Salvo Bartolotta wrote:
> Should I comment out the dreaded line, too? :-) 

If you want.  The error message is harmless.

> Out of curiosity, will the "OASIS" stuff be used (or is it planned to 
> be used) in the near future?

What OASIS stuff?

N
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

On 1/14/01, 6:06:17 PM, Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org> wrote regarding
Re: docbook/4.1 .. DTDDECL catalog entries are not supported:


> > Out of curiosity, will the "OASIS" stuff be used (or is it planned t=
o
> > be used) in the near future?

> What OASIS stuff?



Ok, I will let Jim Mock... ask you once again :-)

------------ message posted to -doc on October 30, 2000 -------------

<snip>

I was seeing it[1] until I commented it out :-)  It's been like that
for quite a while, too. Edit
/usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/4.1/catalog, and change the line that
looks like this:

   DTDDECL "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V4.1//EN" "docbook.dcl"
               ^^^^^
               ^^^^^
To this:

   -- DTDDECL "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V4.1//EN" "docbook.dcl" --

I'm not sure why it's doing what it is, but at least commenting it out
shuts it up.

Nik, any idea why it does this?

---------------------------------------------------------------------

[1] The harmless error message in the subject of the present letter.

In that context, "OASIS" seemed (to me) a more colo(u)rful description
than a version number :-)

Best regards,
Salvo





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On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 10:05:39PM +0000, Salvo Bartolotta wrote:
> > > Out of curiosity, will the "OASIS" stuff be used (or is it planned to
> > > be used) in the near future?
> 
> > What OASIS stuff?

<snip>

> In that context, "OASIS" seemed (to me) a more colo(u)rful description
> than a version number :-)

Ah.  OASIS are the Organisation for the Advancement of Structured
Information Systems.  They maintain the DocBook DTD.

Saying "OASIS stuff" in connection with DocBook doesn't narrow the scope
down very much :-)

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On 15 Jan, Bill Fumerola wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 01:09:27AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote:
>> > There is no need.  There is no point adding a '/etc/protocols' to the FILES
>> > list since inetd does not use the '/etc/protocols' file.  At best it would
>> > be misinformation.
>> > 
>> Wait. How is this misinformation? I must be missing something.
> 
> Because /etc/protocols doesn't have to exist, could be wrong, etc and it doesn't
> make a difference to inetd, because it _does not use it_.
> 
Yes, I got that part. I'm sorry I was not clear.
The question then should be: if what you are saying
is correct, then the man page is wrong and we should
remove or correct the part about /etc/protocols.
The man page clearly says:

"The protocol must be a valid protocol as given in /etc/protocols."

As a matter of fact, the man page for 4.2 say so also.

Now being even more annoying, decided to check the code.

  "$FreeBSD: /c/ncvs/src/usr.sbin/inetd/inetd.c,v 1.80.2.2 2000/10/24 19:18:29 dwmalone Exp $";

Comments in the code says:

	protocol	must be in /etc/protocols

Granted, I don't see where it is used, but I don't see where
/etc/services is used either.

If you are correct, then the man pages still needs a correction.
In either case, I need to know what to put.

Your assitance appreciated.

				Jessem.





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> is correct, then the man page is wrong and we should
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> "The protocol must be a valid protocol as given in /etc/protocols."

Good point - I'll check the man page and comments and remove it if
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Thanks David.
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On 15 Jan, David Malone wrote:
>> is correct, then the man page is wrong and we should
>> remove or correct the part about /etc/protocols.
>> The man page clearly says:
> 
>> "The protocol must be a valid protocol as given in /etc/protocols."
> 
> Good point - I'll check the man page and comments and remove it if
> incorrect.
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If memory serves me right, Chris Costello wrote:

>    I propose the following reorganization:
> 
> doc/
>   share/
>     sgml/
>       authors.ent - English author names
>       freebsd.ent - Defines &rel.current at this point in the
>                     concept
>       newsgroups.ent - Defines the one FreeBSD newsgroup[1]

Hi Chris--

Don't know if you were consciously designing things this way or not, but
I support putting the definition of &rel.current in a separate file, as
you have done here.

RELNOTESng will depend on authors.ent and possibly newsgroups.ent (maybe
the en mailing-lists.ent also).  But it's going to use and define its
own entries for FreeBSD release information, because RELNOTESng will 
live under src/ and will be branched accordingly, where as doc/ isn't 
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On Monday, January 15, 2001, Bruce A. Mah wrote:
> Don't know if you were consciously designing things this way or not, but
> I support putting the definition of &rel.current in a separate file, as
> you have done here.

   Well, that's the only thing I can think of putting in there so
far.  It was Nik's idea to put it in a freebsd.ent file, and I'm
assuming that other entities that may be needed that are related
to releng information, etc., will go in there.

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>Number:         24360
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       sigpending(2) man page is inconsistent
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
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>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Kenneth Ingham
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386
>Organization:
Kenneth Ingham Consulting
>Environment:

4.2-Stable, i386, etc (not relevant to this problem)

>Description:

A quote from the man page:

    RETURN VALUES
	 A 0 value indicated that the call succeeded.  A -1 return value
	 indicates an error occurred and errno is set to indicated the reason.

    ERRORS
	 The sigpending() function does not currently detect any errors.

>How-To-Repeat:

man sigpending

>Fix:

	Move the second sentence under RETURN VALUES to replace the
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>Number:         24363
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       lack of explanation
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       serious
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>State:          open
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FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE

>Description:

I don't get it!

>How-To-Repeat:

By Reading The F. Manual(s):

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/securing-freebsd.html :

  An indirect way to secure the root account is to secure your staff
  accounts by using an alternative login access method and *'ing out
  the crypted password for the staff accounts. This way an intruder
  may be able to steal the

What's "*'ing"? Check 'man 5 passwd':

  The password field is the encrypted form of the password.  If the
  password field is empty, no password will be required to gain access to
  the machine.  This is almost invariably a mistake.  Because these files
  contain the encrypted user passwords, they should not be readable by any-
  one without appropriate privileges.  Administrative accounts have a pass-
  word field containing an asterisk `*' which disallows normal logins.

If you don't know what it's about, this won't teach you much. So you
want to secure. Fine. But how? Change any ol' pwd into a '*'? Mebbe?
Mebbe not. Who is to say?

I think it would be a good idea to explicitly state what is needed. With
a link or other kind of reference to the man.part in question.

>Fix:
	
Some sort of partial rewrite. Maybe something that would show up in, say,
'apropos shadow' or so.

Currently it says enough if you know what it's about. But if you don't,
well, ...

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>Number:         24364
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       wrong description or rc.conf
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
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see release

>Description:

http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/securing-freebsd.html:

"FreeBSD now defaults to running ntalkd, comsat, and finger in a sandbox. Another program which may be a
candidate for running in a sandbox is named(8). The default rc.conf includes the arguments necessary to run
named in a sandbox in a commented-out form. Depending on whether you are installing a new system or upgrading"

No it doesn't. O'Reilly's does, though.

>How-To-Repeat:

check rc.conf

>Fix:

either amend rc.conf or the docs

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The following reply was made to PR docs/24364; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org>
To: toor@nisser.com
Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
Subject: Re: docs/24364: I don't think so! 
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:48:52 -0800

 > 
 > >Number:         24364
 > >Category:       docs
 > >Synopsis:       wrong description or rc.conf
 > 
 > "FreeBSD now defaults to running ntalkd, comsat, and finger in a sandbox. Ano
 > ther program which may be a
 > candidate for running in a sandbox is named(8). The default rc.conf includes 
 > the arguments necessary to run
 > named in a sandbox in a commented-out form. Depending on whether you are inst
 > alling a new system or upgrading"
 > 
 > No it doesn't. O'Reilly's does, though.
 
 It does, but it isn't very clear about it:
 
 <quote rc.conf>
 #
 # named.  It may be possible to run named in a sandbox, man security for
 # details.
 #
 named_enable="NO"               # Run named, the DNS server (or NO).
 named_program="named"           # path to named, if you want a different one.
 named_flags=""                  # Flags for named
 #named_flags="-u bind -g bind"  # Flags for named
 <unquote>
 
 The last line is an example of how to run it in a sandbox.
 
 					Dima Dorfman
 					dima@unixfreak.org
 


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On 15 Jan, Dima Dorfman wrote:
> The following reply was made to PR docs/24364; it has been noted by GNATS.
> 
> From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org>
> To: toor@nisser.com
> Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
> Subject: Re: docs/24364: I don't think so! 
> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:48:52 -0800
> 
>  > 
>  > >Number:         24364
>  > >Category:       docs
>  > >Synopsis:       wrong description or rc.conf
>  > 
>  > "FreeBSD now defaults to running ntalkd, comsat, and finger in a sandbox. Ano
>  > ther program which may be a
>  > candidate for running in a sandbox is named(8). The default rc.conf includes 
>  > the arguments necessary to run
>  > named in a sandbox in a commented-out form. Depending on whether you are inst
>  > alling a new system or upgrading"
>  > 
>  > No it doesn't. O'Reilly's does, though.
>  
>  It does, but it isn't very clear about it:
>  
>  <quote rc.conf>
>  #
>  # named.  It may be possible to run named in a sandbox, man security for
>  # details.
>  #
>  named_enable="NO"               # Run named, the DNS server (or NO).
>  named_program="named"           # path to named, if you want a different one.
>  named_flags=""                  # Flags for named
>  #named_flags="-u bind -g bind"  # Flags for named
>  <unquote>
>  
>  The last line is an example of how to run it in a sandbox.
>  
Actually the "named_flags" are now in /etc/default/rc.conf,
so the documentation is incorrect in that we don't say where
"default rc" is. That is, one could assume 'default rc' to mean
the 'rc' that ships with the system. That is how I read it.
However, it *now* means the 'rc' in '/etc/'default'
It's a very minor doc'ing error, I should have caught it.
(Good work. Roelof. :-))

Who wants to submit a fix?







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> 
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 04:55:49AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote:
> 
> 
> On 15 Jan, Dima Dorfman wrote:
> > The following reply was made to PR docs/24364; it has been noted by GNATS.
> > 
> > From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org>
> > To: toor@nisser.com
> > Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org
> > Subject: Re: docs/24364: I don't think so! 
> > Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:48:52 -0800
> > 
> >  > 
> >  > >Number:         24364
> >  > >Category:       docs
> >  > >Synopsis:       wrong description or rc.conf
> >  > 
> >  > "FreeBSD now defaults to running ntalkd, comsat, and finger in a sandbox. Ano
> >  > ther program which may be a
> >  > candidate for running in a sandbox is named(8). The default rc.conf includes 
> >  > the arguments necessary to run
> >  > named in a sandbox in a commented-out form. Depending on whether you are inst
> >  > alling a new system or upgrading"
> >  > 
> >  > No it doesn't. O'Reilly's does, though.
> >  
> >  It does, but it isn't very clear about it:
> >  
> >  <quote rc.conf>
> >  #
> >  # named.  It may be possible to run named in a sandbox, man security for
> >  # details.
> >  #
> >  named_enable="NO"               # Run named, the DNS server (or NO).
> >  named_program="named"           # path to named, if you want a different one.
> >  named_flags=""                  # Flags for named
> >  #named_flags="-u bind -g bind"  # Flags for named
> >  <unquote>
> >  
> >  The last line is an example of how to run it in a sandbox.
> >  
> Actually the "named_flags" are now in /etc/default/rc.conf,
> so the documentation is incorrect in that we don't say where
> "default rc" is. That is, one could assume 'default rc' to mean
> the 'rc' that ships with the system. That is how I read it.
> However, it *now* means the 'rc' in '/etc/'default'
> It's a very minor doc'ing error, I should have caught it.
> (Good work. Roelof. :-))
> 

No, 'default rc' != default rc.conf.  And /etc/defaults/rc.conf
(not /etc/default/rc.conf) is well documented in rc.conf(5)

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On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 04:00:51PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote:
>    As I worked on the mailing-lists.ent move, a thought occured
> to me--how far should I go?  There are other language-specific
> general entities that are mostly lumped into the Handbook.  There
> are language-specific authors.ent files to overload the stock
> authors.ent from the Handbook, there's newsgroups.ent files, and
> of course mailing-lists.ent.
> 
>    I propose the following reorganization:

Looks pretty OK from here.  The only thing I might change is the
location of the mailing-lists.ent file.  I'd be tempted to put the
English version in doc/share/sgml, and probably split the entities out
in to something like

   <!ENTITY mail.doc "doc@FreeBSD.org">
   
   <!ENTITY mail.doc.comment "The FreeBSD Documentation Project">

   <!ENTITY mail.doc.descr "Longer blurb about the list here.">

The translations can override the .comment and .descr entities in their
own directories.

This allows a new translation to bootstrap with buildable documentation
much faster (although, of course, we could keep the file in en*/share/,
and then a new translation just has to copy it out of there instead).

My basic aim has always been that documentation should be buildable
after doing

   co doc/share
   co doc/<lang>/share
   co doc/<lang>/<format>/<document>

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>Number:         24382
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       handbook: portmap needed for nfs
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
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>Arrival-Date:   Tue Jan 16 05:20:01 PST 2001
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>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Willem van Engen
>Release:        
>Organization:
>Environment:
>Description:
On http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/nfs.html is described how to setup
nfs. The portmapper however isn't mentioned, but it is required for
proper operation (it took me some days to figure it out).
>How-To-Repeat:

>Fix:
Add it to the handbook :)
I suggest that:
* portmap is added to the list of daemons needed int section 17.4.1
* portmap is added to the list of commands to execute to make it work
  in section 17.4.2

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Synopsis: wrong description or rc.conf

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Handbook updated to refer to /etc/defaults/rc.conf

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Hi,

I have some questions related to manual pages:

1. classification
-----------------
In my opinion this is the main problem of man. Pages are classified to
nine sections but these are too few to find the right page quickly when
one is searching by subject. I am not sure if more sections would help
- maybe it would be better to develop some mechanism to automatically
create table of contents or something like this.

On the other hand, the independence of particular manual pages is surely
one of the key features bringing the wide usage of the whole manual
system. Maybe some compromise would be OK.

The first thing coming to my mind is a separate database keeping some tree
structure of sections and related manual pages (e.g. every manual page
would be mentioned in one or more sections). It would be very simple to
create new sections, subsub...sections and to assign manual page links to
them. The operations would be as simple as creating directories, files and
symlinks.

All the pages in the OS distribution would be assigned to proper sections
and the pages from ports could (but need not) register in the TOC
database. Program used to browse the tree of sections would find the
unassigned pages and would present them separately.

2. internal structure
---------------------
groff is really not my favourite typesetting system and -mdoc macro
package tries to do with it something which is usually used sgml or xml
for. In addition, use of groff brings the unability to check the
correctness of the man page internal structure (in contrast to xml), not
mentioning easy internationalization etc. Would not it be better to
develop a DTD for xml and some format transformation system to create new
manual system in xml? It should not be a problem to make the old and the
new system coexist together.

3. manual browser
-----------------
I am sure, some hypertext browser would be really better than the
presently used more/less. In conjunction with the xml manual system it
would be maybe easier to write it.


These are my ideas. Could you tell me yours?

Martin



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Hi
I am interested in installing your software on my home
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Hi everybody,

I'll take a stab at answering these questions, although I am by no means a
man/groff or xml expert, so feel free to ask what I'd been smoking:-)

On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:51:34PM +0100, Martin Horcicka wrote:
> 1. classification
> -----------------
> In my opinion this is the main problem of man. Pages are classified to
> nine sections but these are too few to find the right page quickly when
> one is searching by subject. I am not sure if more sections would help
> - maybe it would be better to develop some mechanism to automatically
> create table of contents or something like this.

Well if you mean searching, than apropos(1) and (provided it is properly
maintained) whatis(1) can be used rather well. These already use a database
containing the man pages and their text. Also, in the beginning of each
section, there is an intro page that tells you what to expect in that
section. This could easily include a (even generated) listing of all pages
in that section. (this is currently not the case on FreeBSD) But then
again, some sections have so many man pages that it would be dificult to
fit them on the screen in a nice manner.
  
> 2. internal structure
> ---------------------
> groff is really not my favourite typesetting system and -mdoc macro
> package tries to do with it something which is usually used sgml or xml
> for. In addition, use of groff brings the unability to check the
> correctness of the man page internal structure (in contrast to xml), not
> mentioning easy internationalization etc. Would not it be better to
> develop a DTD for xml and some format transformation system to create new
> manual system in xml? It should not be a problem to make the old and the
> new system coexist together.

I think that the tradition of using groff to typeset the pages has remained
for two reasons: 

1) Groff is actually a quite useful and resource-rich typesetting solution,
and I for one find it easier to define macros in it than in, say, TeX. The
only problem with it is that it lacks localization support to the extent
LaTeX eg has it. But this is not a problem for man pages.

2) Groff is usually installed on every system and therefore it is possible
to author man pages on almost any system, even if other, partly
resource-hungry environments are not installed. This in turn has two
consequences:

- It is possible (even encouraged) to write local man pages for programs
  that your users might want to use, or any other topic of interest. (For
such use, and abuse check out the alt.sysadmin.recovery man page collection
in ports:-) My friends still look at me with big eyes if I tell them to
just see knife(8):-)) 

- It is not necessary to generate all pages beforehand, but rather you just
  copy the new page onto the system and it will be reformatted upon first
access. This formatting takes comparatively little time even on a slow
system, which is not always true for say an XML parser. Also, man pages are
very often (I'd argue almost exclusively) used on a terminal, for which
groff output is better suited because it produces high-quality ASCII text.
But if you want, you can also easily format those same pages with no
additional software for printing too. 

Implementing say an XML parser on every system that wants to use man is
quite costly and may be slow, and may have undesired dependecies (eg X.)
Not implementing it would mean that you first have to reformat each page
separately which would make the whole system more rigid.
  
> 3. manual browser
> -----------------
> I am sure, some hypertext browser would be really better than the
> presently used more/less. In conjunction with the xml manual system it
> would be maybe easier to write it.

In fact, several browsers already exist for man pages, that even feature a
TOC (they show all man pages in an index). You can find such solutions say
with Gnome's or KDE's help browser, but even xman (or whatever it is
called) from the Xcontrib package is available as a quite low-end solution.
You can find others say tkman.

Also, in general these ideas (perhaps with the exception of XML which was
not available then) essentially mean reinventing the 'info' package from
the GNU project (which they indeed prefer over man pages in their programs)
Nevertheless, the info package (although it is installed on FreeBSD, you
can try it by just typing 'info' and see a TOC which has links to the
various sections that you can navigate) did not chatch on outside of GNU
and Linux in general because 

a) writing texinfo docs is not everybody's favorite, linking them up
appropriately is even less so upon installation

b) the UI (the info program itself) IMHO seriously sucks. But many people
find it hard to use, too. By the time you learn how to use the many key
combos you may have read all man pages three times... but this is my
personal opinion. And this does not mean that the info package was not a
good idea. With the advent of X-based browsers the UI problem partly went
away, but X never should be made a requirement for using the doxx...

> These are my ideas. Could you tell me yours?

Sure. Here it is...:-)

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Regards:

Szilveszter ADAM
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:51:34PM +0100, Martin Horcicka wrote:
> 1. classification
> -----------------
> In my opinion this is the main problem of man. Pages are classified to
> nine sections but these are too few to find the right page quickly when
> one is searching by subject. I am not sure if more sections would help
> - maybe it would be better to develop some mechanism to automatically
> create table of contents or something like this.

Man pages aren't really designed for that sort of information.  If
you're looking for a broad overview of a topic then the other
documentation is going to be better.  Man pages excel at providing
concise information about a particular command, library call, or
interface.

> 2. internal structure
> ---------------------
> groff is really not my favourite typesetting system and -mdoc macro
> package tries to do with it something which is usually used sgml or xml
> for. In addition, use of groff brings the unability to check the
> correctness of the man page internal structure (in contrast to xml), not
> mentioning easy internationalization etc. Would not it be better to
> develop a DTD for xml and some format transformation system to create new
> manual system in xml? It should not be a problem to make the old and the
> new system coexist together.

DocBook already completely supports everything necessary to mark up
manual pages.  Which begs the question "Why don't we support man pages
marked up in DocBook?"

  1.  The existing mechanism for converting DocBook to other formats
      (in particular, HTML, text, and Postscript) is resource intensive.

  2.  Other, strictly standards following approaches (using the XML DTD,
      putting a Java parser and library in the base system) are also 
      resource intensive.

  3.  I haven't played around with things like refentry2man yet
      http://refentry2man.pld.org.pl/, which might solve the problem.
      
      Note that refentry2man has the basic problem of being GPL'd, which
      precludes its use in the FreeBSD base system (or, at the very
      least, will lead to a flamewar of immense proportions -- I have no
      intention of trying to fight that battle).

We would not be the first Unix to adopt DocBook for man pages.  Solaris
does -- Solaris 7 had a mix of DocBook and traditional *roff manual
pages, and, AIUI, Solaris 8 is all DocBook (or rather, SolBook, Sun's
custom, cut down version of DocBook).

I would support an effort to get DocBook in to the base system, but I
don't have the time right now to drive such an effort.  I will, however,
cheerfully sit on the sidelines shouting encouragement and offering
advice.

N
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> pages, and, AIUI, Solaris 8 is all DocBook (or rather, SolBook, Sun's
> custom, cut down version of DocBook).
> 
> I would support an effort to get DocBook in to the base system, but I
> don't have the time right now to drive such an effort.  I will, however,
> cheerfully sit on the sidelines shouting encouragement and offering
> advice.

I looked at what Solaris does a while back and they used a script called
sgml2roff for formatting.  sgml2roff is derived from docbook-to-man.sh
which you can get under an X11 license at:

http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/tools/dtm/

They actually created a parallel man hierarchy for SGML manpages in
/usr/share/man/sman*.  This seems like the approch to take if someone
wants to work on this.  It looks like the required infrastructure is
nsgmls from Jade or OpenJade and DocBook itself.  I suspect that people
will want to modify this stuff to generate mdoc or mdocNG instead of man
macros in the roff output.

Of course, this thing creates tons of bikeshed issues.  For instance, if
someone really was crazy enough to try to fight the battle to move
manpages into the doc tree, doing it during a conversion to SGML would
be the best opportunity that's likely to come along.

-- Brooks

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On 16 Jan, Chris Faulhaber wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 04:55:49AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote:
>> Actually the "named_flags" are now in /etc/default/rc.conf,
>> so the documentation is incorrect in that we don't say where
>> "default rc" is. That is, one could assume 'default rc' to mean
>> the 'rc' that ships with the system. That is how I read it.
>> However, it *now* means the 'rc' in '/etc/'default'
>> It's a very minor doc'ing error, I should have caught it.
>> (Good work. Roelof. :-))
>> 
> 
> No, 'default rc' != default rc.conf.  And /etc/defaults/rc.conf
> (not /etc/default/rc.conf) is well documented in rc.conf(5)
> 
Oops.... Typo on my part. I meant to say rc.conf not rc.
AND defaults not default. Thanks for catching that correction, Chris.

				Jessem.





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Willem,
   Since this is so fresh in your mind would you mind
writing down some notes and posting that on the net.
If you do this, and then post those notes to this PR.
Any person that writes those sections will have a
good place to start. 

				Just an Idea.
				Jessem.



On 16 Jan, wvengen@stack.nl wrote:
> 
>>Number:         24382
>>Category:       docs
>>Synopsis:       handbook: portmap needed for nfs
>>Confidential:   no
>>Severity:       non-critical
>>Priority:       low
>>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>>State:          open
>>Quarter:        
>>Keywords:       
>>Date-Required:
>>Class:          doc-bug
>>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>>Arrival-Date:   Tue Jan 16 05:20:01 PST 2001
>>Closed-Date:
>>Last-Modified:
>>Originator:     Willem van Engen
>>Release:        
>>Organization:
>>Environment:
>>Description:
> On http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/nfs.html is described how to setup
> nfs. The portmapper however isn't mentioned, but it is required for
> proper operation (it took me some days to figure it out).
>>How-To-Repeat:
> 
>>Fix:
> Add it to the handbook :)
> I suggest that:
> * portmap is added to the list of daemons needed int section 17.4.1
> * portmap is added to the list of commands to execute to make it work
>   in section 17.4.2
> 
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 09:55:48AM -0800, Brooks Davis wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 05:27:51PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote:
> > We would not be the first Unix to adopt DocBook for man pages.  Solaris
> > does -- Solaris 7 had a mix of DocBook and traditional *roff manual
> > pages, and, AIUI, Solaris 8 is all DocBook (or rather, SolBook, Sun's
> > custom, cut down version of DocBook).
> > 
> > I would support an effort to get DocBook in to the base system, but I
> > don't have the time right now to drive such an effort.  I will, however,
> > cheerfully sit on the sidelines shouting encouragement and offering
> > advice.
> 
> I looked at what Solaris does a while back and they used a script called
> sgml2roff for formatting.  sgml2roff is derived from docbook-to-man.sh
> which you can get under an X11 license at:
> 
> http://www.oasis-open.org/docbook/tools/dtm/

Useful info.  Don't suppose you've tried that on FreeBSD have you?

> They actually created a parallel man hierarchy for SGML manpages in
> /usr/share/man/sman*.  This seems like the approch to take if someone
> wants to work on this.  It looks like the required infrastructure is
> nsgmls from Jade or OpenJade and DocBook itself.  I suspect that people
> will want to modify this stuff to generate mdoc or mdocNG instead of man
> macros in the roff output.
> 
> Of course, this thing creates tons of bikeshed issues.  For instance, if
> someone really was crazy enough to try to fight the battle to move
> manpages into the doc tree, doing it during a conversion to SGML would
> be the best opportunity that's likely to come along.

I don't want to bring man pages under the doc/ hierarchy -- I want to
put DocBook (and an XML processor) under the src/ hierarchy. . .

N
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Dima Dorfman wrote:

>  It does, but it isn't very clear about it:
>  
>  <quote rc.conf>
>  #
>  # named.  It may be possible to run named in a sandbox, man security for
>  # details.
>  #
>  named_enable="NO"               # Run named, the DNS server (or NO).
>  named_program="named"           # path to named, if you want a different one.
>  named_flags=""                  # Flags for named
>  #named_flags="-u bind -g bind"  # Flags for named
>  <unquote>
>  
>  The last line is an example of how to run it in a sandbox.

Hmm, would this make it any clearer, do you think?

 named_enable="NO"              # Run named, the DNS server (or NO).
 named_program="named"          # path to named, if you want a different one.
 named_flags=""                 # Flags for named
 #named_flags="-u bind -g bind" # Flags for named, if running in a sandbox.

If not, please suggest something which would. :-)

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Committed, thanks!

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ERRORS section fixed, thanks!

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The following reply was made to PR docs/24360; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Ben Smithurst <csxbcs@comp.leeds.ac.uk>
To: Kenneth Ingham <ingham@i-pi.com>,
	freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org
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Subject: Re: docs/24360: sigpending(2) man page is inconsistent
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:49:49 +0000

 The bit about it not detecting errors is rubbish for a start...
 
 ben@freefall:~/tmp$ cat t.c
 #include <err.h>
 #include <signal.h>
 
 int
 main(void) {
 
         if (sigpending((void *)0xdeadbeef) != 0)
                 err(1, "sigpending");
 
         return (0);
 }
 ben@freefall:~/tmp$ ./a.out
 a.out: sigpending: Bad address
 
 I'll do something about this.
 
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Manual page updated, thanks!

(I didn't use your text, I just copied the text from ps(1) since the same
text seems to be used everywhere to describe -M and -N.  See also netstat,
iostat, etc.)

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Committed, thanks!

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Actually, that's not quite true.  abort(3) does a bit more than a raw
SIGABRT does, such as flushing open streams.  However, abort(2) doesn't even
exist, so I just changed to text to say "abort program" and not mention
abort() at all.

Thanks for this anyway!

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   of "Tue, 16 Jan 2001 20:59:30 GMT." <20010116205930.D5867@comp.leeds.ac.uk> 
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> Dima Dorfman wrote:
> 
> >  It does, but it isn't very clear about it:
> 
> Hmm, would this make it any clearer, do you think?

That's fine with me, but I'm not the originator.

					Dima Dorfman
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Synopsis: poor grammar in calendar(1) man page

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Committed, thanks!

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The good news about going to a markup language such as SGML or XML
is that the process can turn "documents" into "data structures".
This can be used to facilitate indexing, checks for completeness or
errors, etc.

The bad news, of course, is that the effort involved in turning a
man page into high-quality SGML is substantial.  Semantic mark-up
is tricky; humans have a hard time with it and I don't know of any
programs that do it yet.  In short, it requires Real Work (TM).

If the user community can be inspired to help out (e.g., with a crit-
or Wiki-like system), many kinds of errors and omissions could be
detected.  For example, when a user finds that a man page is missing
a SEE ALSO reference, s/he should find it natural to report the bug.

I believe that the current PR system, while functional, is less than
optimal in this respect.  If I am using a man page, I shouldn't have
to jump through a bunch of hoops just to say that a particular para-
graph needs work.


In any event, we should expect to see quite a bit of OML (Ostensible
Markup Language :) being generated and used in any man page conversion
effort.  OML looks like XML at first glance, but its data structures
do not convey all of the semantic information they "should".  OML for
a man page, for example, might pick up the low-hanging fruit (e.g.,
"SEE ALSO" and "FILES"), but refrain from categorizing every keyword
in the document.

That said, there is quite a bit that can (and should) be done to
automate the semantic mark-up process.  I have heard, for instance,
of an experiment in which a replacement set of troff macros was used
to convert man pages (in mandoc format) into XML.


Once a document is available in a structured form, it becomes easier
to do graph analysis and other checks.  I am currently experimenting
with some of this, as part of my prototyping efforts for the Meta
Project (http://www.cfcl.com/rdm/Meta).

An interesting question, which I have raised offline, is whether the
current PR system is well equipped to handle LARGE numbers of bug
reports.  An automated analysis of the man page cross-references, for
instance, could generate hundreds or even thousands of PRs (consider
the implications of a 10% "hit rate").

Generating the patch files for the affected man pages is a lot harder-
looking (to me, at least) than simply reporting an error or omission.
OTOH, if the man pages were actually stored as XML, the changes should
be easier for an automated system to generate than they are now...

-r
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:36:54PM -0800, Rich Morin wrote:
> The bad news, of course, is that the effort involved in turning a
> man page into high-quality SGML is substantial.  Semantic mark-up
> is tricky; humans have a hard time with it and I don't know of any
> programs that do it yet.  In short, it requires Real Work (TM).

This is defiantly true.  It took Sun years to do it.  This is a very
good argument for the sman* hierarchy they used.

> An interesting question, which I have raised offline, is whether the
> current PR system is well equipped to handle LARGE numbers of bug
> reports.  An automated analysis of the man page cross-references, for
> instance, could generate hundreds or even thousands of PRs (consider
> the implications of a 10% "hit rate").
>
> Generating the patch files for the affected man pages is a lot harder-
> looking (to me, at least) than simply reporting an error or omission.
> OTOH, if the man pages were actually stored as XML, the changes should
> be easier for an automated system to generate than they are now...

I think you're looking at a nonexistent problem here.  It's true that
the PR system isn't likely to be very happy with hundreds of little
submissions about missing xrefs, but I don't think it matters.  SGML isn't
really going to increase the number of user problems reports after the
formatting issues have been dealt with, because the average user couldn't
care less how the docs are marked up.  As to results from automated tools,
a single PR can be used to submit the whole reported output or better
yet the CVS generated diff.  It's really not very hard to take a list of
missing SEE ALSO references and convert them into a diff.  Mostly, it's
boring.  With good markup and consistent XML style, you could probably
even automate it if the job were sufficiently large to make it worthwhile.

-- Brooks

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    Sorry for the direct posting here, I don't have a website available to
me where I can post this. I have included the GNU libc documentation for the
action of printf("%n") into the printf(1) manpage. Sorry it took me so long
to get back to this, I have been extremely busy. Please let me know if there
are any other changes that should be made. Thanks for your time.

------------------------ begin man
page ----------------------------------------------

PRINTF(1)  FreeBSD General Commands Manual       PRINTF(1)

NAME
     printf - formatted output

SYNOPSIS
     printf format [arguments ...]

DESCRIPTION
     Printf formats and prints its arguments, after the first, under control
     of the format. The format is a character string which contains three
     types of objects: plain characters, which are simply copied to standard
     output, character escape sequences which are converted and copied to
the
     standard output, and format specifications, each of which causes
printing
     of the next successive argument.

     The arguments after the first are treated as strings if the
corresponding
     format is either c or s; otherwise it is evaluated as a C constant,
with
     the following extensions:

    ｷ   A leading plus or minus sign is allowed.
    ｷ   If the leading character is a single or double quote, or not a
        digit, plus, or minus sign, the value is the ASCII code of the
        next character.

     The format string is reused as often as necessary to satisfy the
     arguments. Any extra format specifications are evaluated with zero or
the
     null string.

     Character escape sequences are in backslash notation as defined in the
     draft proposed ANSI C Standard X3J11. The characters and their meanings
     are as follows:

    \a    Write a <bell> character.

    \b    Write a <backspace> character.

    \f    Write a <form-feed> character.

    \n    Write a <new-line> character.

    \r    Write a <carriage return> character.

    \t    Write a <tab> character.

    \v    Write a <vertical tab> character.

    \ｴ    Write a <single quote> character.

    \\    Write a backslash character.

    \num    Write an 8-bit character whose ASCII value is the 1-, 2-,
     or 3-digit octal number num.

     Each format specification is introduced by the percent character
(``%'').
     The remainder of the format specification includes, in the following or
     der:

     Zero or more of the following flags:

      #      A `#' character specifying that the value should be
       printed in an ``alternate form''. For c, d, and s, for
       mats, this option has no effect.  For the o formats the
       precision of the number is increased to force the first
       character of the output string to a zero. For the x (X)
       format, a non-zero result has the string 0x (0X) prepend
       ed to it. For e, E, f, g, and G, formats, the result
       will always contain a decimal point, even if no digits
       follow the point (normally, a decimal point only appears
       in the results of those formats if a digit follows the
       decimal point).  For g and G formats, trailing zeros are
       not removed from the result as they would otherwise be;

      -      A minus sign `-' which specifies left adjustment of the
       output in the indicated field;

      +      A `+' character specifying that there should always be a
       sign placed before the number when using signed formats.

      ` '     A space specifying that a blank should be left before a
       positive number for a signed format.  A `+' overrides a
       space if both are used;

      0      A zero `0' character indicating that zero-padding should
       be used rather than blank-padding.  A `-' overrides a `0'
       if both are used;

     Field Width:
      An optional digit string specifying a field width; if the output
      string has fewer characters than the field width it will be
      blank-padded on the left (or right, if the left-adjustment indi
      cator has been given) to make up the field width (note that a
      leading zero is a flag, but an embedded zero is part of a field
      width);

     Precision:
      An optional period, `.', followed by an optional digit string
      giving a precision which specifies the number of digits to appear
      after the decimal point, for e and f formats, or the maximum num
      ber of characters to be printed from a string; if the digit
      string is missing, the precision is treated as zero;

     Format:
      A character which indicates the type of format to use (one of
      diouxXfwEgGcs).

     A field width or precision may be `*' instead of a digit string.  In
this
     case an argument supplies the field width or precision.

     The format characters and their meanings are:

     diouXx  The argument is printed as a signed decimal (d or i), un
   signed octal, unsigned decimal, or unsigned hexadecimal (X or
   x), respectively.

     f   The argument is printed in the style `[-]ddd.ddd' where the
   number of d's after the decimal point is equal to the preci
   sion specification for the argument.  If the precision is
   missing, 6 digits are given; if the precision is explicitly
   0, no digits and no decimal point are printed.

     eE   The argument is printed in the style e where there is one
   digit before the decimal point and the number after is equal
   to the precision specification for the argument; when the
   precision is missing, 6 digits are produced.  An upper-case E
   is used for an `E' format.

     gG   The argument is printed in style f or in style e (E) whichev
   er gives full precision in minimum space.

     c   The first character of argument is printed.

     s   Characters from the string argument are printed until the end
   is reached or until the number of characters indicated by the
   precision specification is reached; however if the precision
   is 0 or missing, all characters in the string are printed.

     %   Print a `%'; no argument is used.

     In no case does a non-existent or small field width cause truncation of
a
     field; padding takes place only if the specified field width exceeds
the
     actual width.

   The `%n' conversion is unlike any of the other output conversions. It
uses
   an argument which must be a pointer to an `int', but instead of printing
   anything it stores the number of characters printed so far by this call
at
   that location.  The `h' and `l' type modifiers are permitted to specify
   that the argument is of type `short int *'or `long int *' instead of `int
   *', but no flags, field width, or precision are permitted.

   For example:

   int nchar; printf ("%d %s%n0, 3, "bears", &nchar);

   prints:

   3 bears and sets `nchar' to `7', because `3 bears' is seven characters

     Some shells may provide a builtin printf command which is similar or
     identical to this utility.  Consult the builtin(1) manual page.

RETURN VALUES
     Printf exits 0 on success, 1 on failure.

SEE ALSO
     builtin(1),  csh(1),  printf(3),  sh(1)

HISTORY
     The printf command appeared in 4.3BSD-Reno. It is modeled after the
stan
     dard library function, printf(3).

BUGS
     Since the floating point numbers are translated from ASCII to floating-
     point and then back again, floating-point precision may be lost.

     ANSI hexadecimal character constants were deliberately not provided.

     The escape sequence \000 is the string terminator.  When present in the
     format, the format will be truncated at the \000 character.

BSD     June 6, 1993         3


------------------------------------ end man
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	I have recently been trying to figure out FreeBSD and have been
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 10:29:12 -0800 (PST)
opentrax@email.com wrote:

> Willem,
>    Since this is so fresh in your mind would you mind
> writing down some notes and posting that on the net.
> If you do this, and then post those notes to this PR.
> Any person that writes those sections will have a
> good place to start. 
> 
> 				Just an Idea.
> 				Jessem.
> 
Good idea, but I guess it's not needed anymore since it's
already fixed :). I must be clear enough now that one
should run portmap when setting up an nfs server.

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Hello,

I have just gotten my OnStream IDE tapedrive to work under FreeBSD, and
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On Wed 2001-01-17 (10:53), Fredrik Olausson wrote:
> I have just gotten my OnStream IDE tapedrive to work under FreeBSD, and
> since it was rather complicated I was thinking about writing a tutorial or
> something about how to use these drives. how do I go about adding such a
> document to the FreeBSD documentation? Is there an area somewhere for these
> kinds of HOWTO's, like Linux's "LDP"?

Yep.  On http://www.FreeBSD.org/ there's a "Documentation heading in
the left margin, and a "Tutorials" option there.  You go to
http://www.FreeBSD.org/tutorials/ where there's a list of tutorials.

If you write something, submit it here, preferably in docbook if you
know it or have the time to learn it, or text (and someone will convert
it to docbook), and someone will read through it, possibly suggest some
changes, and will then add it to the document tree.

(This list is the hunting grounds of the FreeBSD Documentation Project,
so you're at the right place.)

Neil
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>Number:         24404
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       [PATCH] The make.conf KERNEL variable is not documented in make.conf(5)
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
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>Description:
	I just noticed that KERNEL was left out of the make.conf man page.
	Since it's also left out of /etc/defaults/make.conf, this is a
	serious oversight.

>How-To-Repeat:

	$ man make.conf | grep KERNEL
	$ grep KERNEL /etc/defaults/make.conf

	and notice that there's no output.

>Fix:

Here's a patch to the make.conf man page.

--- make.conf.5	Fri Dec 29 19:29:42 2000
+++ /tmp/make.conf.5	Wed Jan 17 04:43:39 2001
@@ -186,6 +186,24 @@
 kernel. Optimization levels above
 .Op -O ( -O2 , ...\& )
 are not supported.
+.It Ar KERNEL
+(str) Controls which kernel configurations will be
+built by
+.Cm  "${MAKE} buildkernel"
+and installed by 
+.Cm "${MAKE} installkernel" .
+For example,
+.Bd -literal -offset indent
+KERNEL=MINE DEBUG GENERIC OTHERMACHINE
+.Ed
+will build the the kernels specified by the config files
+.Pa MINE , DEBUG , GENERIC 
+and
+.Pa OTHERMACHINE ,
+and install the kernel specified by the config file
+.Pa MINE .
+It defaults to
+.Pa GENERIC .
 .It Ar NO_KERNELCONFIG
 (bool) Set this to skip running
 .Xr config 8


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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 10:53:44AM -0800, Fredrik Olausson wrote:
> I have just gotten my OnStream IDE tapedrive to work under FreeBSD, and
> since it was rather complicated I was thinking about writing a tutorial or
> something about how to use these drives. how do I go about adding such a
> document to the FreeBSD documentation? Is there an area somewhere for these
> kinds of HOWTO's, like Linux's "LDP"?

The information at 

    http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/

and

    http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/docproj-primer/

*should* be everything you need.  If it's not, and you have questions,
feel free to ask.

N
-- 
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Telephone line, $24.95 a month.  Software, free.  USENET transmission,
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Subject: Re: man, TOC, xml...
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On Tue, Jan 16, 2001 at 03:36:54PM -0800, Rich Morin wrote:
> The good news about going to a markup language such as SGML or XML
> is that the process can turn "documents" into "data structures".
> This can be used to facilitate indexing, checks for completeness or
> errors, etc.

Yep.

> The bad news, of course, is that the effort involved in turning a
> man page into high-quality SGML is substantial.  Semantic mark-up
> is tricky; humans have a hard time with it and I don't know of any
> programs that do it yet.  In short, it requires Real Work (TM).

Ah ha.  Look at mdoc(7) (some of the man page mavens should speak up at
this point as well).  We've[1] been migrating away from presentational
to semantic markup in the man pages for a while now.

I'm pretty certain I've seen software that will do man2docbook (or
man2refentry), but I'm damned if I can find it in my mail archive at the
moment.

> That said, there is quite a bit that can (and should) be done to
> automate the semantic mark-up process.  I have heard, for instance,
> of an experiment in which a replacement set of troff macros was used
> to convert man pages (in mandoc format) into XML.

Ah.  That could've been what I saw.

Bingo;

    http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/docbook/199912/msg00145.html

which, by a process of chasing down FTP links, resolves to

    http://polyglotman.sourceforge.net/

Anyone want to take a look at it in more detail?

N
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>Number:         24405
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       build(7) man page is not installed.
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       medium
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Wed Jan 17 03:00:01 PST 2001
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>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Mike Meyer
>Release:        FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT i386
>Organization:
Meyer Consulting
>Environment:
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>Description:

The build(7) man page is in share/man/man7, but isn't installed by the
Makefile.

>How-To-Repeat:

	ls /usr/src/share/man/man7/build.7 and not output.
	man build, and not no output.

>Fix:

	Add build to the makefile:

--- Makefile	Tue Oct 17 18:14:19 2000
+++ /tmp/Makefile	Wed Jan 17 04:51:43 2001
@@ -2,8 +2,8 @@
 # $FreeBSD: src/share/man/man7/Makefile,v 1.11 2000/10/17 15:33:29 joe Exp $
 
 #MISSING: eqnchar.7 ms.7 term.7
-MAN7=	ascii.7 clocks.7 environ.7 hier.7 hostname.7 intro.7 mailaddr.7 \
-	man.7 mdoc.7 mdoc.samples.7 operator.7 ports.7 security.7 \
+MAN7=	ascii.7 build.7 clocks.7 environ.7 hier.7 hostname.7 intro.7
+	mailaddr.7 man.7 mdoc.7 mdoc.samples.7 operator.7 ports.7 security.7 \
 	style.perl.7
 MLINKS=	intro.7 miscellaneous.7
 


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On 16 Jan, ben@FreeBSD.org wrote:
> Synopsis: man page for pstat(8) missing description for -N and -M
> 
> State-Changed-From-To: open->closed
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> State-Changed-When: Tue Jan 16 22:10:42 GMT 2001
> State-Changed-Why: 
> Manual page updated, thanks!
> 
> (I didn't use your text, I just copied the text from ps(1) since the same
> text seems to be used everywhere to describe -M and -N.  See also netstat,
> iostat, etc.)
> 
No complaints. Just happy to knock one out. :-)

				Jessem.





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Synopsis: build(7) man page is not installed.

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Committed, thanks!  Not sure how I forgot that at the time, sorry. :-(

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Thanks, found it! I'll write my "howto" and submit it there then.

Thanks for your help!

-Fredrik

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Fredrik Olausson" <fredrik@speechcraft.com>
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> On Wed 2001-01-17 (10:53), Fredrik Olausson wrote:
> > I have just gotten my OnStream IDE tapedrive to work under FreeBSD, and
> > since it was rather complicated I was thinking about writing a tutorial
or
> > something about how to use these drives. how do I go about adding such a
> > document to the FreeBSD documentation? Is there an area somewhere for
these
> > kinds of HOWTO's, like Linux's "LDP"?
>
> Yep.  On http://www.FreeBSD.org/ there's a "Documentation heading in
> the left margin, and a "Tutorials" option there.  You go to
> http://www.FreeBSD.org/tutorials/ where there's a list of tutorials.
>
> If you write something, submit it here, preferably in docbook if you
> know it or have the time to learn it, or text (and someone will convert
> it to docbook), and someone will read through it, possibly suggest some
> changes, and will then add it to the document tree.
>
> (This list is the hunting grounds of the FreeBSD Documentation Project,
> so you're at the right place.)
>
> Neil
> --
> Neil Blakey-Milner
> nbm@mithrandr.moria.org



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Synopsis: [PATCH] The make.conf KERNEL variable is not documented in make.conf(5)

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Committed, thanks!

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About the compilers section:

Both the 
- Free Pascal compiler (www.freepascal.org, not yet in the ports,
working on that), and

- GNU Pascal compiler (www.home.pages.de/~gnu-pascal, port status
unknown),		

are available or compilable for FreeBSD (at least 4.x), and both can
handle more than p2c can.

I'm maintainer of the FPC/FreeBSD port. (which e.g. supports GTK,
PostGreSQL, MySQL, zlib libraries. BP and Delphi language, and is 100%
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>Number:         24410
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       send(2) man page does not mention EHOSTDOWN
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
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>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Wed Jan 17 07:40:00 PST 2001
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>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Martin Horcicka
>Release:        FreeBSD 4.1.1-RELEASE i386
>Organization:
>Environment:
>Description:

The send(2) manual page does not mention the EHOSTDOWN error which can be
errno set to when the destination host is on the same network and it is down
(i.e. ARP requests have timed out).

>How-To-Repeat:

man 2 send

>Fix:

>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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On 16 Jan, Ben Smithurst wrote:
> Dima Dorfman wrote:
> 
>>  It does, but it isn't very clear about it:
>>  
>>  <quote rc.conf>
>>  #
>>  # named.  It may be possible to run named in a sandbox, man security for
>>  # details.
>>  #
>>  named_enable="NO"               # Run named, the DNS server (or NO).
>>  named_program="named"           # path to named, if you want a different one.
>>  named_flags=""                  # Flags for named
>>  #named_flags="-u bind -g bind"  # Flags for named
>>  <unquote>
>>  
>>  The last line is an example of how to run it in a sandbox.
> 
> Hmm, would this make it any clearer, do you think?
> 
>  named_enable="NO"              # Run named, the DNS server (or NO).
>  named_program="named"          # path to named, if you want a different one.
>  named_flags=""                 # Flags for named
>  #named_flags="-u bind -g bind" # Flags for named, if running in a sandbox.
> 
> If not, please suggest something which would. :-)
> 
Maybe,

#named_flags="-u bind -g bind" # Flags for named, part of a sandbox.

This way we suggest it is one component, not that it creates
a sandbox.

				Needing Coffee,
				Jessem.





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Good Morning Susan,

    As you may know, FreeBSD is an all volunteer effort.
As such, requests such as yours might fall between the
cracks. If you don't mind using our PR (Problem Reporting) System,
this would assist us in handling your request in an
efficient manner. 

    You will find a PR form on the web at:

	http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html

				best regards,
				Jessem.



On 16 Jan, Susan Giuliano wrote:
> Good Day,
> My name is Susan Giuliano and I represent SBE, Inc. which purchased Lan
> Media Corp. last year.  Please change the listing for Lan Media Corp.,
> to read LMC by SBE.
> 
> Also, Nick Maddicks who is the founder of Adcomtec, and also the head of
> Marketing at SBE has asked that Adcomtec be taken off from your site
> altogether.  The products that are listed under Adcomtec are redundant
> to the LMC by SBE product listing.
> 
> If you could be so kind as to confirm you have received this information
> I would greatly appreciate it.
> Best Regards,
> Susan Giuliano




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Douglas,
    I'm sorry I cannot answer your question, but if you
would be so kind as to let us now which link is dead.
If the page is down, we need to up date our page.
The best place to put this information is in the
PR (Problem Report). You'll find an online form at:

    http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html

				Thanks,
				Jessem.



On 16 Jan, Douglas Ian Kalani Rompasky wrote:
> Hello,
> 	I have recently been trying to figure out FreeBSD and have been
> reading your help pages.  I see that one of the listed problems is covered
> on this page 
> http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/hardware.html#MICRON-3COMNIC-FAILURE
> but the link is broken.  I was wondering if you could point me in the
> right direction for this solution.  Thank you for your time.
> 
> 
> Douglas Rompasky
> rompasky@hawaii.edu
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Marco,
    I'm unsure as to the purpose of your message.
It is obvious you are letting us know that these
'ports' are available. We all appreciate knowing
about new 'ports', but why are you sending this?

				Jessem.



On 17 Jan, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> About the compilers section:
> 
> Both the 
> - Free Pascal compiler (www.freepascal.org, not yet in the ports,
> working on that), and
> 
> - GNU Pascal compiler (www.home.pages.de/~gnu-pascal, port status
> unknown),		
> 
> are available or compilable for FreeBSD (at least 4.x), and both can
> handle more than p2c can.
> 
> I'm maintainer of the FPC/FreeBSD port. (which e.g. supports GTK,
> PostGreSQL, MySQL, zlib libraries. BP and Delphi language, and is 100%
> native)
> 
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At 14:52 13/01/2001 +0100, Arcadius AHOUANSOU wrote:
>Hello !
>I'm Arcadius Ahouansou ...
>I'm still student in computer sciences ... but I don't think I'm mature
>enough to help in programming .... though... French being my First
>Language,I could help in someway .... for instance  translating documents
>from
>English to French .
>
>So ,If you think you may need my help , just let me know...

Yopu could see http://www.freebsd-fr.org and contact me


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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 09:38:14AM -0800, opentrax@email.com wrote:
> Marco,
>     I'm unsure as to the purpose of your message.
> It is obvious you are letting us know that these
> 'ports' are available. We all appreciate knowing
> about new 'ports', but why are you sending this?

  There's a `programming-tools' article in the doc tree, and the
information Marco provided should definitely be included there.
If someone would bother to convert it to DocBook and produce some
patches that'd be very nice of him :)

  Don't you want to help, Jessem?

> 				Jessem.
> 
> On 17 Jan, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> > About the compilers section:
> > 
> > Both the 
> > - Free Pascal compiler (www.freepascal.org, not yet in the ports,
> > working on that), and
> > 
> > - GNU Pascal compiler (www.home.pages.de/~gnu-pascal, port status
> > unknown),		
> > 
> > are available or compilable for FreeBSD (at least 4.x), and both can
> > handle more than p2c can.
> > 
> > I'm maintainer of the FPC/FreeBSD port. (which e.g. supports GTK,
> > PostGreSQL, MySQL, zlib libraries. BP and Delphi language, and is 100%
> > native)

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The following reply was made to PR docs/24410; it has been noted by GNATS.

From: Ben Smithurst <csxbcs@comp.leeds.ac.uk>
To: freebsd-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, horcicka@vol.cz
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Subject: Re: docs/24410: send(2) man page does not mention EHOSTDOWN
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:44:45 +0000

 Would an explanation like
 
      [EHOSTDOWN]        The remote host was down.
 
 be sufficient, or would something a bit more detailed be better?  The
 explanation for EHOSTUNREACH isn't very long though...
 
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 Ben Smithurst / csxbcs@comp.leeds.ac.uk / ben@FreeBSD.org
 


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-On [20010117 21:55], Ben Smithurst (csxbcs@comp.leeds.ac.uk) wrote:
>
> Would an explanation like
> 
>      [EHOSTDOWN]        The remote host was down.
> 
> be sufficient, or would something a bit more detailed be better?  The
> explanation for EHOSTUNREACH isn't very long though...

For now, yes.

The fact that ye at least mention it, is an improvement in itself.

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Synopsis: send(2) man page does not mention EHOSTDOWN

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Committed, thanks!

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Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:

> For now, yes.

Right, it's committed. :-)

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Restriction mentioned in date(1).  Thanks!

http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=23502


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From owner-freebsd-doc  Wed Jan 17 19:48:17 2001
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Subject: Installing Mylex RAID DAC960 with FreeBSD
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This is a summary of an experience I just had installing a RAID card in a
FreeBSD server. It may be useful for anyone else attempting the same. I was
building a generic Intel box for use as a corporate mail-server.

Since I wanted some level of back-up onboard (fault-tolerance) I decided to
install a RAID. The raid was scrounged from parts on Ebay.com and included
two Seagate 9.1 GIG SCSI drives and a Mylex Acceleraid 150 with the DAC960
raid controller. I installed the RAID card into the ATX case, along with the
two drives and ran a SCSI cable between the three units. I checked over the
excellent documentation at the www.mylex.com site and downloaded and read
the appropriate .PDF manual. Though new to RAID, the manuals are good though
tech-heavy...

At power-up, my motherboard's BIOS recognized the presence of the RAID card.
And displayed the "DAC960" alerts onscreen. The first thing I did was to hit
"Alt-M" which opened a GUI that allowed me to set the raid card's BIOS. This
may be a new idea for some, to have to deal with both your motherboard BIOS
and the RAID card BIOS, but both need to be set correctly. The options on
the RAID should be:

BIOS ENABLED
2 GB Disc Geometry
CD-ROM Boot enabled

What these choices mean is that the BIOS on the controller card is turned
on. It also means that once you've installed FREEBSD the BIOS will look in
the first 2GB for the OS to boot from. And CD-ROM BOOT ENABLED is necessary
if you are installing from a FreeBSD install CD.

Now, re-start and when you see the DAC960 alerts, hit "Alt-R." This starts a
GUI that allows you to begin the configuration of your raid, which supports
up to 10 drives. If you have questions here see the Mylex documentation. I
only had two drives so I defined my two drives as a "pack" and enabled them
as a "system drive" and also chose options of "Write-back" which gives a bit
better performance at the expense of loss of any cached data if power
failed. With two drives I could only define this array as a RAID 1, which
basically means each drive was mirroring the other with identical data and I
could not lose anything unless both crapped out.

Next I went on to install FreeBSD from CD-ROM (this process is covered in
depth elsewhere, i.e. Greg Lehey's book)  Freebsd should work with any Mylex
drive if you are using 4.1.1 or newer releases of FreeBSD. Mike Smith has
noted FreeBSD 4.2 will support the newer Mylex products.

NOTE: In setting up the Mylex BIOS, if the setting is to "8GB Disk geometry"
you get a "missing operating system" message at reboot. Resetting the BIOS
should allow it to boot, but now you are on thin ice. Best to go back and do
these steps overif you want to sleep easy.

That's all 4 now.

- Wally

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From owner-freebsd-doc  Wed Jan 17 20:41:40 2001
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I thought I would let you know about this web site I came across.
They do reviews of all kinds programs and products for education.  
This is the link for last month痴 product reviews, 
http://horizon.unc.edu/TS/tools/2000-11.asp I don稚 know if they 
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Over the past few weeks and months, I've seen far too many people 
using "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" when they should have 
used "config MYKERNEL".

The following PR is a move to help solve that problem:

<http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=24148>

Please read and comment and I'll submit amendments as appropriate.  
The PR was submitted on 8 Jan and I've not had any feedback yet.

All following to freebsd-doc@freebsd.org (cc'd to me) please.

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> Over the past few weeks and months, I've seen far too many people 
> using "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" when they should have 
> used "config MYKERNEL".

I'm not quite sure we should be advocating using the older, `config
MYKERN` method.  It doesn't really have any advantages over the newer
one, and suggesting different ones for different purposes will only
confuse the novices, IMO.  Plus, `make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL` is
quite a bit simpler than,

      config MYKERNEL && cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL && make depend && make

So, my question is, why use the older one?  I can understand why
people still use it because they've been doing it that way for the
last X years, but that's no reason to teach it to new people.

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On 17 Jan 2001, at 23:15, Dima Dorfman wrote:

> > Over the past few weeks and months, I've seen far too many people 
> > using "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" when they should have 
> > used "config MYKERNEL".
> 
> I'm not quite sure we should be advocating using the older, `config
> MYKERN` method.  It doesn't really have any advantages over the newer
> one, and suggesting different ones for different purposes will only
> confuse the novices, IMO.  Plus, `make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL` is
> quite a bit simpler than,
> 
>       config MYKERNEL && cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL && make depend && make
> 
> So, my question is, why use the older one?  I can understand why
> people still use it because they've been doing it that way for the
> last X years, but that's no reason to teach it to new people.

It might be because it doesn't work.  The following box works with the 
"old" style, but fails with the "new" style:

[root@xeon:/usr/src] # make buildkernel KERNEL=XEON

[massive sniop]

/tmp/ccM70700.s:2514: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different 
sections "IdlePTD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at 
file address 1884.
/tmp/ccM70700.s:2517: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different 
sections "IdlePTD" {.data section} - "KERNBASE" {*UND* section} at 
file address 1903.
*** Error code 1
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/XEON.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/src.

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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:15:28PM -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote:
> > Over the past few weeks and months, I've seen far too many people 
> > using "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" when they should have 
> > used "config MYKERNEL".
> 
> I'm not quite sure we should be advocating using the older, `config
> MYKERN` method.  It doesn't really have any advantages over the newer
> one, and suggesting different ones for different purposes will only
> confuse the novices, IMO.  Plus, `make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL` is
> quite a bit simpler than,
> 
>       config MYKERNEL && cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL && make depend && make
> 
> So, my question is, why use the older one?  I can understand why
> people still use it because they've been doing it that way for the
> last X years, but that's no reason to teach it to new people.

It seems to me that most of the confused are usually just trying to
recompile a custom kernel to add, for example, sound support.  It's
ridiculous to make these people do a full world build just to be able
to hear sound from their soundcard.  Obviously, if you have updated
your source tree from, it's very dangerous NOT to do the buildworld -
buildkernel - installkernel - installworld dance.  But it's silly to
advocate that someone who just installed 4.2, and simply wants to hear
an MP3 must do a full buildworld...  Just my $0.02.


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From owner-freebsd-doc  Wed Jan 17 23:39:21 2001
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On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:15:28PM -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote:
> > Over the past few weeks and months, I've seen far too many people 
> > using "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" when they should have 
> > used "config MYKERNEL".
> 
> I'm not quite sure we should be advocating using the older, `config
> MYKERN` method.  It doesn't really have any advantages over the newer
> one, and suggesting different ones for different purposes will only
> confuse the novices, IMO.  Plus, `make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL` is
> quite a bit simpler than,
> 
>       config MYKERNEL && cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL && make depend && make
> 
> So, my question is, why use the older one?  I can understand why
> people still use it because they've been doing it that way for the
> last X years, but that's no reason to teach it to new people.

Because not all do source upgrades *at all* yet they might need to
recompile their kernels. (Yes, with modules this will become increasingly
rare.) Most of the people I deal with on the Hungarian FreeBSD mailing list
do not even install the full system and do not even consider the source
tree because Internet access is paid for by the minute here. Also, it is
really ridiculous to say (or imply) that in order to have a fully
functional system, you must burn close to 1 gig to stuff everything on it
when a quite functional desktop system using some other OS:-) can be gotten
well under 500 megs. (yes I mean win95 here.) Also, on a server it is *not*
a great idea to waste this much space just for its own needs. really the
only situation where this is OK is on a developing machine to develop
FreeBSD itself, or your play workstation at home, which may not do
anything in particular other than looking great in front of friends. (yes,
mine falls into this category:-)
 
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On Thu 2001-01-18 (20:22), Dan Langille wrote:
> It might be because it doesn't work.  The following box works with the 
> "old" style, but fails with the "new" style:

There'll probably be a 'nm' error somewhere above.  I've asked people to
comment, including Marcel, and haven't got any replies.

The "new" style should be the same as the "old" style.  If it's broken,
fix the "new" style, don't suggest the "old" style.

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> On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:15:28PM -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote:
> > > Over the past few weeks and months, I've seen far too many people 
> > > using "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" when they should have 
> > > used "config MYKERNEL".
> > 
> > I'm not quite sure we should be advocating using the older, `config
> > MYKERN` method.  It doesn't really have any advantages over the newer
> > one, and suggesting different ones for different purposes will only
> > confuse the novices, IMO.  Plus, `make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL` is
> > quite a bit simpler than,
> > 
> >       config MYKERNEL && cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL && make depend && make
> > 
> > So, my question is, why use the older one?  I can understand why
> > people still use it because they've been doing it that way for the
> > last X years, but that's no reason to teach it to new people.
> 
> It seems to me that most of the confused are usually just trying to
> recompile a custom kernel to add, for example, sound support.  It's
> ridiculous to make these people do a full world build just to be able
> to hear sound from their soundcard.  Obviously, if you have updated
> your source tree from, it's very dangerous NOT to do the buildworld -
> buildkernel - installkernel - installworld dance.  But it's silly to
> advocate that someone who just installed 4.2, and simply wants to hear
> an MP3 must do a full buildworld...  Just my $0.02.

Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.

Neil
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> Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.

I was under the impression that 'make buildkernel' requires a fully-
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On 18 Jan 2001, at 9:41, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:

> Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.

The handbook does.  Well, it doesn't, but the frequently interpretion is 
just that.  And my patch aims to fix that common misinterpretation.  
Amongst other things.

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On 18 Jan 2001, at 9:40, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:

> On Thu 2001-01-18 (20:22), Dan Langille wrote:
> > It might be because it doesn't work.  The following box works with the 
> > "old" style, but fails with the "new" style:
> 
> There'll probably be a 'nm' error somewhere above.  I've asked people to
> comment, including Marcel, and haven't got any replies.
> 
> The "new" style should be the same as the "old" style.  If it's broken,
> fix the "new" style, don't suggest the "old" style.

Either way suits me.  But until it gets fixed, let's fix the manual so we 
stop the confusion and save the helpers the repeating questions.

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On Thu 2001-01-18 (02:44), Donald J . Maddox wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:41:23AM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> > Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> > require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.
> 
> I was under the impression that 'make buildkernel' requires a fully-
> populated /usr/obj.

No, it doesn't.  It may not work at the moment without it, but that's
another story.

It is, of course, suggested that you run 'make buildworld' beforehand
when upgrading to a new version of FreeBSD.  That applies equally to
using the old method, come to think of it, but it involves a lot more
work to get the old method to do the correct thing in this case.
Basically, that's why the new method exists - to overcome any upgrading
problems that the old method could not.

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:41:23AM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> On Thu 2001-01-18 (02:23), Donald J . Maddox wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:15:28PM -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote:
> > > > Over the past few weeks and months, I've seen far too many people 
> > > > using "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" when they should have 
> > > > used "config MYKERNEL".
> > > 
> > > I'm not quite sure we should be advocating using the older, `config
> > > MYKERN` method.  It doesn't really have any advantages over the newer
> > > one, and suggesting different ones for different purposes will only
> > > confuse the novices, IMO.  Plus, `make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL` is
> > > quite a bit simpler than,
> > > 
> > >       config MYKERNEL && cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL && make depend && make
> > > 
> > > So, my question is, why use the older one?  I can understand why
> > > people still use it because they've been doing it that way for the
> > > last X years, but that's no reason to teach it to new people.
> > 
> > It seems to me that most of the confused are usually just trying to
> > recompile a custom kernel to add, for example, sound support.  It's
> > ridiculous to make these people do a full world build just to be able
> > to hear sound from their soundcard.  Obviously, if you have updated
> > your source tree from, it's very dangerous NOT to do the buildworld -
> > buildkernel - installkernel - installworld dance.  But it's silly to
> > advocate that someone who just installed 4.2, and simply wants to hear
> > an MP3 must do a full buildworld...  Just my $0.02.
> 
> Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.

Em.... most FreeBSD developers are?! Do a search of the archives (esp.
in -stable)...

Statements like this make it even more confusing to me. I thought the purpose
of doing a buildworld first was to ensure you have the latest toolchain...

I agree with Donald: it is ridiculous to force people to do a buildworld
if they havent upgraded their sources. And I would *love* to see a
make buildkernel target where you didn't have to buildworld in order to
let it complete.

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> On Thu 2001-01-18 (02:44), Donald J . Maddox wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 09:41:23AM +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> > > Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> > > require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.
> > 
> > I was under the impression that 'make buildkernel' requires a fully-
> > populated /usr/obj.
> 
> No, it doesn't.  It may not work at the moment without it, but that's
> another story.
> 
> It is, of course, suggested that you run 'make buildworld' beforehand
> when upgrading to a new version of FreeBSD.  That applies equally to
> using the old method, come to think of it, but it involves a lot more
> work to get the old method to do the correct thing in this case.
> Basically, that's why the new method exists - to overcome any upgrading
> problems that the old method could not.

I agree that if you are upgrading, you absolutely ought to do a full
buildworld, and said so in the 1st message I posted in this thread.



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> On Thu 2001-01-18 (20:22), Dan Langille wrote:
> > It might be because it doesn't work.  The following box works with the 
> > "old" style, but fails with the "new" style:
> 
> There'll probably be a 'nm' error somewhere above.  I've asked people to
> comment, including Marcel, and haven't got any replies.
> 
> The "new" style should be the same as the "old" style.  If it's broken,
> fix the "new" style, don't suggest the "old" style.

I'm in the same boat.  I always thought that buildkernel would revert
to using the installed binaries if there's nothing useful in /usr/obj.
If the source tree you're building is the same as the running one, it
shouldn't fail.

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On Wed 2001-01-17 (23:53), Dima Dorfman wrote:
> > On Thu 2001-01-18 (20:22), Dan Langille wrote:
> > > It might be because it doesn't work.  The following box works with the 
> > > "old" style, but fails with the "new" style:
> > 
> > There'll probably be a 'nm' error somewhere above.  I've asked people to
> > comment, including Marcel, and haven't got any replies.
> > 
> > The "new" style should be the same as the "old" style.  If it's broken,
> > fix the "new" style, don't suggest the "old" style.
> 
> I'm in the same boat.  I always thought that buildkernel would revert
> to using the installed binaries if there's nothing useful in /usr/obj.
> If the source tree you're building is the same as the running one, it
> shouldn't fail.

This is causing the problem:

My reminder to Marcel and other hackers that this problem exists:

http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=729536+733077+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all

Marcel, the designer of the new system, saying that buildkernel should
revert to the running system in the absence of a populated /usr/obj:

http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=761905+765570+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all

A description of why 'nm' is failing:

http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=837688+841420+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all

Anyway, I'll quickly test the patches, and ask for someone to review
again.

Neil
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> On 18 Jan 2001, at 9:40, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> 
> > On Thu 2001-01-18 (20:22), Dan Langille wrote:
> > > It might be because it doesn't work.  The following box works with the 
> > > "old" style, but fails with the "new" style:
> > 
> > There'll probably be a 'nm' error somewhere above.  I've asked people to
> > comment, including Marcel, and haven't got any replies.
> > 
> > The "new" style should be the same as the "old" style.  If it's broken,
> > fix the "new" style, don't suggest the "old" style.
> 
> Either way suits me.  But until it gets fixed, let's fix the manual so we 
> stop the confusion and save the helpers the repeating questions.

[This reply is targeted towards everybody taking part of this thread,
and does nto relate to this message in particular--I just picked one
at random.]

It does appear that indeed the buildkernel target is broken with
regards to building a kernel from the same sources as the running one
without a populated /usr/obj.  I remember trying this in the past, and
it worked.  I can now see your rationale for this thread and the
handbook patch, however, I agree with Neil that buildkernel should be
fixed, not the handbook.

The following patch sort of addresses the problem.  I can get
buildkernel to finish without errors.  If you have time, please try it
out.  It is proof-of-concept (that buildkernel can be fixed) quality
at best (in other words, don't run this on your mission-critical
machines), but it does seem to work (actually, I had to test it on a
slightly newer tree than what I have running, so YMMV).

Regards


					Dima Dorfman
					dima@unixfreak.org


Index: Makefile.inc1
===================================================================
RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/src/Makefile.inc1,v
retrieving revision 1.141.2.18
diff -u -r1.141.2.18 Makefile.inc1
--- Makefile.inc1	2000/12/01 21:58:09	1.141.2.18
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@@ -165,10 +165,10 @@
 
 # Common environment for world related stages
 CROSSENV=	MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=${OBJTREE} \
-		COMPILER_PATH=${WORLDTMP}/usr/libexec:${WORLDTMP}/usr/bin \
-		LIBRARY_PATH=${WORLDTMP}${SHLIBDIR}:${WORLDTMP}/usr/lib \
-		OBJFORMAT_PATH=${WORLDTMP}/usr/libexec \
-		PERL5LIB=${WORLDTMP}/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503
+		COMPILER_PATH=${WORLDTMP}/usr/libexec:${WORLDTMP}/usr/bin:/usr/libexec:/usr/bin \
+		LIBRARY_PATH=${WORLDTMP}${SHLIBDIR}:${WORLDTMP}/usr/lib:/usr/lib \
+		OBJFORMAT_PATH=${WORLDTMP}/usr/libexec:/usr/libexec \
+		PERL5LIB=${WORLDTMP}/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503:/usr/libdata/perl/5.00503
 
 # bootstrap-tool stage
 BMAKEENV=	${BOOTSTRAPENV}


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> This is causing the problem:
> 
> My reminder to Marcel and other hackers that this problem exists:
> 
> http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=729536+733077+/usr/local/www/db/t
> ext/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all
> 
> Marcel, the designer of the new system, saying that buildkernel should
> revert to the running system in the absence of a populated /usr/obj:
> 
> http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=761905+765570+/usr/local/www/db/t
> ext/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all
> 
> A description of why 'nm' is failing:
> 
> http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=837688+841420+/usr/local/www/db/t
> ext/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all

Well, looks like the patch I just sent in response to one of Dan's
messages does just that. :-)

					Dima Dorfman
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On Thu 2001-01-18 (00:06), Dima Dorfman wrote:
> > This is causing the problem:
> > 
> > My reminder to Marcel and other hackers that this problem exists:
> > 
> > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=729536+733077+/usr/local/www/db/t
> > ext/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all
> > 
> > Marcel, the designer of the new system, saying that buildkernel should
> > revert to the running system in the absence of a populated /usr/obj:
> > 
> > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=761905+765570+/usr/local/www/db/t
> > ext/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all
> > 
> > A description of why 'nm' is failing:
> > 
> > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=837688+841420+/usr/local/www/db/t
> > ext/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all
> 
> Well, looks like the patch I just sent in response to one of Dan's
> messages does just that. :-)

That doesn't match the behaviour of the PATH variable, which is set in
(for example) IMAKEENV to not include the user-supplied PATH variable.

I've sent a request to current@ and hackers@ for suggestions, and a more
focussed patch.  Let's continue any patch discussions on that thread
there rather.

Neil
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Dear Sir!
I'm Oguz ,i'm from Turkey.
I have got two computers and two leased line modems(EXTERNAL).
I linked that computers by modems from serial ports.
First computer is linux (RedHat,like DOS ,hasn't got graphics),
other computer installed DOS.
But i didn't connect from second computer(DOS) to first computer
(linux)
I want to use a program in linux over modems.
How can i do this and how can i connect?


+------+                                           +-------+
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I don't know,what I especially should do on the Linux computer,
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On 18-Jan-01 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> On Thu 2001-01-18 (02:23), Donald J . Maddox wrote:
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:15:28PM -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote:
>> > > Over the past few weeks and months, I've seen far too many people 
>> > > using "make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL" when they should have 
>> > > used "config MYKERNEL".
>> > 
>> > I'm not quite sure we should be advocating using the older, `config
>> > MYKERN` method.  It doesn't really have any advantages over the newer
>> > one, and suggesting different ones for different purposes will only
>> > confuse the novices, IMO.  Plus, `make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL` is
>> > quite a bit simpler than,
>> > 
>> >       config MYKERNEL && cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL && make depend && make
>> > 
>> > So, my question is, why use the older one?  I can understand why
>> > people still use it because they've been doing it that way for the
>> > last X years, but that's no reason to teach it to new people.
>> 
>> It seems to me that most of the confused are usually just trying to
>> recompile a custom kernel to add, for example, sound support.  It's
>> ridiculous to make these people do a full world build just to be able
>> to hear sound from their soundcard.  Obviously, if you have updated
>> your source tree from, it's very dangerous NOT to do the buildworld -
>> buildkernel - installkernel - installworld dance.  But it's silly to
>> advocate that someone who just installed 4.2, and simply wants to hear
>> an MP3 must do a full buildworld...  Just my $0.02.
> 
> Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.

buildkernel assumes a worst case environment by default.  The problem is that
there isn't the One True Way(tm) to build a kernel that works for all cases. 
buildkernel is needed when updating the system, but if you are just changing
the kernel config and building a new kernel w/o changing your source tree, you
should be using the old method.  I don't actually use buildkernel as it is only
needed in very rare cases such as when crossing over a binutils upgrade
_anyway_.

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hello,

This thread has turned very esoteric and has now moved into the
realms of the hackers.
It might be worth saying that if this thread created so much hacker-dom
imagine what problems new kids on the block may be having...

Cliff

> On Wed 2001-01-17 (23:53), Dima Dorfman wrote:
> > > On Thu 2001-01-18 (20:22), Dan Langille wrote:
> > > > It might be because it doesn't work.  The following box works with the 
> > > > "old" style, but fails with the "new" style:
> > > 
> > > There'll probably be a 'nm' error somewhere above.  I've asked people to
> > > comment, including Marcel, and haven't got any replies.
> > > 
> > > The "new" style should be the same as the "old" style.  If it's broken,
> > > fix the "new" style, don't suggest the "old" style.
> > 
> > I'm in the same boat.  I always thought that buildkernel would revert
> > to using the installed binaries if there's nothing useful in /usr/obj.
> > If the source tree you're building is the same as the running one, it
> > shouldn't fail.
> 
> This is causing the problem:
> 
> My reminder to Marcel and other hackers that this problem exists:
> 
>
http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=729536+733077+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all

> 
> Marcel, the designer of the new system, saying that buildkernel should
> revert to the running system in the absence of a populated /usr/obj:
> 
>
http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=761905+765570+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all

> 
> A description of why 'nm' is failing:
> 
>
http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=837688+841420+/usr/local/www/db/text/2000/cvs-all/20001224.cvs-all

> 
> Anyway, I'll quickly test the patches, and ask for someone to review
> again.
> 
> Neil
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On 18 Jan 2001, at 8:54, Cliff Sarginson wrote:

> It might be worth saying that if this thread created so much hacker-dom
> imagine what problems new kids on the block may be having...

Thanks.  Those problems, which we were constantly seeing repeated 
over and over again on IRC and in -questions, were exactly the reason I 
submitted the patch.

*GRIN*

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Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2001 01:18:34 -0800
From: Dima Dorfman <dima@unixfreak.org>
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> On 18-Jan-01 Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> > Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> > require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.
>
>  buildkernel assumes a worst case environment by default.  The
> problem is that there isn't the One True Way(tm) to build a kernel
> that works for all cases.  buildkernel is needed when updating the
> system, but if you are just changing the kernel config and building
> a new kernel w/o changing your source tree, you should be using the
> old method.  I don't actually use buildkernel as it is only needed
> in very rare cases such as when crossing over a binutils upgrade
> _anyway_.

Although I agree with this entirely (and personally prefer to stay
away from buildkernel, particularly because MODULES_WITH_WORLD doesn't
always work), I don't think it's a good idea to promote using two
different ways for different purposes to newbies.  "Use the old method
if you're not upgrading but use the new method if you're upgrading but
make sure to do a buildworld if you choose the latter path but you
don't need to rebuild the world if you're already running the new,
upgraded, kernel and you're just making modifications to the config
file," (excuse the run-on) sounds a lot more confusing than "use
buildkernel."

If there's no technical reason buildkernel can't be made to work Most
Of The Time(tm) (which Neil's patches suggest there isn't), I see no
reason just to stick with buildkernel for building a kernel.  Of
course, the old way should still be available for use by those who
need/want it.

Regards

					Dima Dorfman
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 01:18:34AM -0800, Dima Dorfman wrote:
> 
> Although I agree with this entirely (and personally prefer to stay
> away from buildkernel, particularly because MODULES_WITH_WORLD doesn't
> always work), I don't think it's a good idea to promote using two
> different ways for different purposes to newbies.  "Use the old method
> if you're not upgrading but use the new method if you're upgrading but
> make sure to do a buildworld if you choose the latter path but you
> don't need to rebuild the world if you're already running the new,
> upgraded, kernel and you're just making modifications to the config
> file," (excuse the run-on) sounds a lot more confusing than "use
> buildkernel."
> 
> If there's no technical reason buildkernel can't be made to work Most
> Of The Time(tm) (which Neil's patches suggest there isn't), I see no
> reason just to stick with buildkernel for building a kernel.  Of
> course, the old way should still be available for use by those who
> need/want it.

I agree.  Frankly, there is no reason I can think of where the use of
buildkernel/installkernel would be in any meaningful way superior to
the old method *except* in the case of a toolchain upgrade that requires
new tools to build the new source.


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On 18 Jan 2001, at 0:04, Dima Dorfman wrote:

> It does appear that indeed the buildkernel target is broken with
> regards to building a kernel from the same sources as the running one
> without a populated /usr/obj.  I remember trying this in the past, and
> it worked.  I can now see your rationale for this thread and the
> handbook patch, however, I agree with Neil that buildkernel should be
> fixed, not the handbook.

Thank you.  Would someone please cancel PR docs/24148 ?

But, I do think that section of the manual needs to be modified slightly 
to remove some confusion.  Namely, how it seems to suggest, at least 
to some people, that you need to do a build world.  I'll do something 
about that at a later date.  

> The following patch sort of addresses the problem.  I can get
> buildkernel to finish without errors.  If you have time, please try it
> out.  It is proof-of-concept (that buildkernel can be fixed) quality
> at best (in other words, don't run this on your mission-critical
> machines), but it does seem to work (actually, I had to test it on a
> slightly newer tree than what I have running, so YMMV).

It worked on my box. Thanks.  I appreciate it.  Iff you have another fix in 
the future, I'll be happy to test it again.

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On 18 Jan 2001, at 4:24, Donald J . Maddox wrote:

> I agree.  Frankly, there is no reason I can think of where the use of
> buildkernel/installkernel would be in any meaningful way superior to
> the old method *except* in the case of a toolchain upgrade that requires
> new tools to build the new source.

There is the added advantage that the "new" method involves fewer 
steps. And That Is A Good Thing (tm), especially for people new to 
FreeBSD.  If they get get a kernel to compile and work the first time, 
without problems, it gives them a *big* boost.  The few steps, the hard 
to mess up.

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:27:04PM +1300, Dan Langille wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2001, at 4:24, Donald J . Maddox wrote:
> 
> > I agree.  Frankly, there is no reason I can think of where the use of
> > buildkernel/installkernel would be in any meaningful way superior to
> > the old method *except* in the case of a toolchain upgrade that requires
> > new tools to build the new source.
> 
> There is the added advantage that the "new" method involves fewer 
> steps. And That Is A Good Thing (tm), especially for people new to 
> FreeBSD.  If they get get a kernel to compile and work the first time, 
> without problems, it gives them a *big* boost.  The few steps, the hard 
> to mess up.

For people new to FreeBSD, it's really not as simple as:

# make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
# make installkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL

At this point, the newbie has already had to:

# cd /usr/src/sys/<arch>/conf
# cp GENERIC MYKERNEL
# vi MYKERNEL
...  Agonizes over incomprehensible options/devices ...

All of this is required regardless of whether you use 'the old
method' or 'the new method'.

At this point, the newbie can:

a)  # config MYKERNEL
    # cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL
    # make depend
    # make
    # make install

b)  # cd /usr/src
    # make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
    # make installkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL

Sure, b) has 2 less steps, but frankly, I think the difference is
lost in the noise.  Actually creating a working custom config seems
to be the showstopper for most folks.  In any case, talking about 2
different ways of doing this is *sure* to confuse lots of people :)


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-On [20010118 07:40], Shahid Khan (shahid@nodeinfotech.com) wrote:
>  I have just started.
>  want to contribute but not getting enough help for Kernel programming..
>  can you help me...

Do you know how to program?
If so, what languages?

Do you understand ILP and LP differences which architectures
demand/impose on you?

Let's take it from there. :)

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"Donald J . Maddox" wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:27:04PM +1300, Dan Langille wrote:
> > On 18 Jan 2001, at 4:24, Donald J . Maddox wrote:
> >
> > > I agree.  Frankly, there is no reason I can think of where the use of
> > > buildkernel/installkernel would be in any meaningful way superior to
> > > the old method *except* in the case of a toolchain upgrade that requires
> > > new tools to build the new source.
> >
> > There is the added advantage that the "new" method involves fewer
> > steps. And That Is A Good Thing (tm), especially for people new to
> > FreeBSD.  If they get get a kernel to compile and work the first time,
> > without problems, it gives them a *big* boost.  The few steps, the hard
> > to mess up.
> 
> For people new to FreeBSD, it's really not as simple as:
> 
> # make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
> # make installkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
> 
> At this point, the newbie has already had to:
> 
> # cd /usr/src/sys/<arch>/conf
> # cp GENERIC MYKERNEL
> # vi MYKERNEL
> ...  Agonizes over incomprehensible options/devices ...
> 
> All of this is required regardless of whether you use 'the old
> method' or 'the new method'.
> 
> At this point, the newbie can:
> 
> a)  # config MYKERNEL
>     # cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL
>     # make depend
>     # make
>     # make install
> 
> b)  # cd /usr/src
>     # make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
>     # make installkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
> 
> Sure, b) has 2 less steps, but frankly, I think the difference is
> lost in the noise.  Actually creating a working custom config seems
> to be the showstopper for most folks.  In any case, talking about 2
> different ways of doing this is *sure* to confuse lots of people :)

The way I'm reading mods MFC'ed to Makefile.inc1 by jkh on 1 Dec 2000,
you can replace both of them with just

make kernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL

If you add KERNEL=MYKERNEL to your make.conf, it can simplify it to
just "make kernel". I created a script to do the full blown way
because I stood to high odds of flipping a letter in the middle and
haven't tried "make kernel" to see if it works.

Kent

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> 
> The way I'm reading mods MFC'ed to Makefile.inc1 by jkh on 1 Dec 2000,
> you can replace both of them with just
> 
> make kernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL
> 
> If you add KERNEL=MYKERNEL to your make.conf, it can simplify it to
> just "make kernel". I created a script to do the full blown way
> because I stood to high odds of flipping a letter in the middle and
> haven't tried "make kernel" to see if it works.

Ok, so substitute "3 more steps" for "2 more steps" :)  In all
seriousness, I can appreciate that simpler is better.  Your point
is well taken :)  I don't think it makes a heck of a lot of
difference, but I understand where you're coming from :)


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Hi,
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On Wed, Dec 06, 2000 at 11:12:59AM -0800, Rich Morin wrote:
> I can't find any way to do a search by relevant program.
> For example, how can I find bugs that have to do with fsck?

Use the "Search for text in multiline fields" option, I guess.  GNATS
doesn't support the feature you're suggesting directly.

N
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>Number:         24434
>Category:       docs
>Synopsis:       cipher(3) man pages needs to state that -lcipher is needed.
>Confidential:   no
>Severity:       non-critical
>Priority:       low
>Responsible:    freebsd-doc
>State:          open
>Quarter:        
>Keywords:       
>Date-Required:
>Class:          doc-bug
>Submitter-Id:   current-users
>Arrival-Date:   Thu Jan 18 08:10:01 PST 2001
>Closed-Date:
>Last-Modified:
>Originator:     Bill Cheswick
>Release:        4.2 stable
>Organization:
Lumeta Corporation
>Environment:
FreeBSD ches-netmapper.research.bell-labs.com 4.2-STABLE FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE #1: Sun Nov 26 13:50:34 EST 2000     ches@ches-netmapper.research.bell-labs.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/LOCAL  i386

>Description:
Man pages should mention the libraries that their routines rely on.
It is missing from the cipher(3) man page.  The obvious entries
of -ldes and -lcrypto don't work.

A lot of people are having problems with this.  They see the libc
error messages and think crypto is not available. The search engines
show a lot of queries about:

/var/tmp/ccO60021.o(.text+0x2c): WARNING!  des_cipher(3) not present in the system!

ches
>How-To-Repeat:
ches-netmapper:~/map/dev/ches/snk$ cat t.c
int
main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
        char buf[1000];

        des_setkey("xxx");
        des_cipher(buf, buf, 0, 16);
        setkey("ccc");
        encrypt(buf, 1);
}
ches-netmapper:~/map/dev/ches/snk$ cc t.c
/var/tmp/cck60048.o: In function `main':
/var/tmp/cck60048.o(.text+0x12): WARNING!  des_setkey(3) not present in the system!
/var/tmp/cck60048.o(.text+0x2c): WARNING!  des_cipher(3) not present in the system!
/var/tmp/cck60048.o(.text+0x3c): WARNING!  setkey(3) not present in the system!
/var/tmp/cck60048.o(.text+0x50): WARNING!  encrypt(3) not present in the system!

>Fix:


>Release-Note:
>Audit-Trail:
>Unformatted:


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Hi,

    Would you be able to use cvsup to get just a particular file
from the server and this file is just a normal file (ex. resume.txt) not 
necessarily a source file that is part of the source tree.

this is the case:
    I have one host running as the client(where cvsup is installed), and 
another running as the server (where cvsupd is installed). If i would like 
to get a file called resume.txt from the server's /home/netcoor/ dir can I 
use cvsup? if so what is the syntax...

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:44:22PM +1300, Dan Langille wrote:
> On 18 Jan 2001, at 9:41, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> 
> > Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> > require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.
> 
> The handbook does.  Well, it doesn't, but the frequently interpretion is 
> just that.  And my patch aims to fix that common misinterpretation.  
> Amongst other things.

In all the bulk on this topic I missed the details as to whether
Dan's xeon may have an old buildworld, no buildworld, or up to date
buildworld laying around.

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─────────────────────────
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　　女性がスタンバイします。
２．会員の男性は、メンバー登録をすませ、IDとPWを
　　入力し、その動画を閲覧します。
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　　請求メールを送信します。
─────────────────────────

この全てのシステムを用意するのに様々なライセンス
や機材など込みで、1千万弱の費用がかかります。
今回は、この一連のシステム・ライセンス・機材を、
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出来るだけ速い回線と少々の機材を用意するだけで、
すぐにこの「ライブチャットシステム」を利用する事
が出来ます。出会いサイトで目玉のコミュニケーション
に利用するのもよし、アダルト関連で利用するもよし、
この低価格で用意できる様なシステムではありません。
是非この機会を見逃さず、新ビジネスで儲けて下さい。
特にどんなジャンルでも「女性の調達に困らない」様
な事業に最もマッチしています。
システム�@ Windows NT
─────────────────────────
・Real Server
・DataBase(MSSQL)
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・メンバー登録プログラム
・チャットプログラム
・Dual CPU(P�U400x2）NTサーバー
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・Real Server
・DataBase(MYSQL、MSQL)
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・メンバー登録プログラム
・チャットプログラム
─────────────────────────
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販売します。
アダルトサイトで「ライブチャット」を行う場合、
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この場合、既に1万人程度の顧客データもお譲りする
事が出来ます。webページも既に知名度のものをそのま
ま、利用できますし、各種サーチエンジンなどにも
登録済みのドメインがそのまま利用できます。要するに
実績のあるサイトをそのままシステム・機材毎、お譲り
出来ると言うことです。新規のプロモーションなどの
必要もなく、ある程度の儲けも約束されているわけです。
こちらをご希望の場合は、ご相談下さい。

また、プログラムやサーバーなど、単体での販売も
考えております。Real Serverなどのライセンスは、
300万程しますが、当社では、ライセンス毎、低価格で
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今すぐ、ご連絡下さい。あらゆる件で、相談させて
頂きます。

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…………………………………………………………………

高額の費用がかかっていた動画のシステムを、この度
低価格で販売する事になりました。
ライブチャットシステムとは・・・

─────────────────────────
１．スタジオを用意し、そこにビデオカメラを設置。
　　女性がスタンバイします。
２．会員の男性は、メンバー登録をすませ、IDとPWを
　　入力し、その動画を閲覧します。
３．男性は、「チャット」というシステムを使い、
　　文字だけで女性とコミュニケーションをとります。
４．その文字をスタジオの女の子はディスプレーで
　　見ながら会話します。女の子はビデオカメラに
　　向かって話をしたり、様々な動作をしたりすれば
　　いいだけです。それが会員男性にインターネット
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On 18 Jan 2001, at 13:58, David Kelly wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 08:44:22PM +1300, Dan Langille wrote:
> > On 18 Jan 2001, at 9:41, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> > 
> > > Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> > > require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.
> > 
> > The handbook does.  Well, it doesn't, but the frequently interpretion is 
> > just that.  And my patch aims to fix that common misinterpretation.  
> > Amongst other things.
> 
> In all the bulk on this topic I missed the details as to whether
> Dan's xeon may have an old buildworld, no buildworld, or up to date
> buildworld laying around.

My short answer is I don't know.  But I suspect I've done a make clean 
since my last buildworld.  I know I've done at least one build world 
because I'm on 4.2-stable.

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On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 11:55:17PM +0200, Charlie Root wrote:
> i cant't install my sound card CMI8330 
> may you help me please ?

    http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/sound.html

N
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[-doc added to the distribution list]

On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 12:40:07AM -0800, Alexander Langer wrote:
> alex        2001/01/19 00:40:07 PST
> 
>   Modified files:
>     textproc/dsssl-docbook-modular Makefile 
>     textproc/dsssl-docbook-modular/files patch-common_dbl1de.dsl 
>   Log:
>   Make the German versions of <warning> and <caution> behave as <note>,
>   i.e.  "Warnung: " and not "Warnung" (note is "Note: ").
>   Bump PORTREVISION.

This is actually broken in our customisation layer in the most recent
versions of the base stylesheets.  Norm re-worked how he did things,
which is why the Handbook says things like "WarningDon't do this"
instead of "Warning: Don't do this.".

Fixing it is on my list of things to do, unless someone beats me to it.
. .

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Thus spake Nik Clayton (nik@freebsd.org):

> [-doc added to the distribution list]
> Fixing it is on my list of things to do, unless someone beats me to it.

Well, the German version is fixed now ;-)

Should be trivial to fix the other languages, I'm sure the diff
applies to all language's .dsl files, only shifted by some lines
maybe.

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Thus spake Nik Clayton (nik@freebsd.org):

> This is actually broken in our customisation layer in the most recent
> versions of the base stylesheets.  Norm re-worked how he did things,
> which is why the Handbook says things like "WarningDon't do this"
> instead of "Warning: Don't do this.".
> Fixing it is on my list of things to do, unless someone beats me to it.

Oh - wait...
Do you mean this has to be fixed somewhere in *our* doc/ tree?

Alex

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On Do , Jan 18, 2001 at 09:41:23am +0200, Neil Blakey-Milner wrote:
> On Thu 2001-01-18 (02:23), Donald J . Maddox wrote:
> > It seems to me that most of the confused are usually just trying to
> > recompile a custom kernel to add, for example, sound support.  It's
> > ridiculous to make these people do a full world build just to be able
> > to hear sound from their soundcard.  Obviously, if you have updated
> > your source tree from, it's very dangerous NOT to do the buildworld -
> > buildkernel - installkernel - installworld dance.  But it's silly to
> > advocate that someone who just installed 4.2, and simply wants to hear
> > an MP3 must do a full buildworld...  Just my $0.02.
> 
> Who exactly is advocating a full buildworld?  The "new" style should not
> require a full buildworld.  If it doesn't work, it's a bug.


Well, then it is a bug.  I ran into it when I tried to build a custom 
kernel after installing a new box from the 4.2-R iso-image.  Compiling 
the kernel using "ye olde way" was successful.  I gave it a try and 
built world (without installing!) - and was able to compile my kernel 
in the new fashion.

Regards,
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Thought this might be useful for the Vim users in the audience.

N

----- Forwarded message from Dan York <dyork@e-smith.com> -----

Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 09:08:01 -0500
From: Dan York <dyork@e-smith.com>
To: Nik Clayton <nik@freebsd.org>
Subject: Re: VIM + DocBook

Nik,

> I noticed in your latest advogato entry that you've been playing around
> with Vim and DocBook.

Nice to see someone reads it! ;-)

> I don't if it's helpful or not, but the FreeBSD project has some sample
> Vim rc files at

Cool!  Thanks for the pointer... I did look at them... very interesting...

> Conversely, if you've got any neat tricks that you'd like to submit,
> we're all ears.

I put my vimrc up on my site at:

  http://www.lodestar2.com/software/docbook/

I mostly focused on *entering* tags quickly, since most of what I do
is create new DocBook text.  It works for me... if it helps you all out,
too, all the better!

Thanks,
Dan
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I've cc'd Norm Walsh on this -- Norm, perhaps you could suggest a more
elegant approach to the problem? ]

On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 12:57:52PM +0100, Alexander Langer wrote:
> Thus spake Nik Clayton (nik@freebsd.org):
> 
> > This is actually broken in our customisation layer in the most recent
> > versions of the base stylesheets.  Norm re-worked how he did things,
> > which is why the Handbook says things like "WarningDon't do this"
> > instead of "Warning: Don't do this.".
> > Fixing it is on my list of things to do, unless someone beats me to it.
> 
> Oh - wait...
> Do you mean this has to be fixed somewhere in *our* doc/ tree?

Sort of.

In an earlier version of Norm's stylesheets, he had a function called
$admonition$ that was used by <note>, <important>, and <tip>.

The $admonition$ function used variables like en-note-label-title-sep to
work out what to put between text like "Note" and the title.  So Norm's
stylesheets had things like
    
    (define en-note-label-title-sep ": ")

in them, which is how 

   <note><para>A test note</para></note>

became

   Note: A test note

<warning> and <caution> were handled differently.  They had their own
function to draw a box around them (or put them in a table), and do
sundry other bits and pieces.  In particular, this style of presentation
meant that the "Warning" and "Caution" label was placed on a separate
line, so there was no need for ':' to separate the two pieces of text.
However, for (I guess) completeness, Norm's sheets still defined the
equivalent en-warning-label-title-sep variable (and it's <caution>
equivalent).

I changed this in our customisation, so that <warning> and <caution> 
used the same $admonition$ function, and redefined the
en-warning-label-title-sep and en-caution-label-title-sep variables
appropriately.

All was well.

Then Norm changed how he did things.  Instead of using a bunch of
variables, one per (language x element) pair, he created this function
called gentext-label-title-sep (and others in the same style).  I
suspect this probably makes the DSSSL processing faster, or something.

The problem with this, from our point of view, is that it's no longer
possible to override a single entry in our customisation.  Instead, to
fix <warning> and <caution>, I have to duplicate all of the code from 
dbl1en.dsl that defines the en-label-title-sep hash[1] *or* rewrite the
gentext-en-label-title-sep function so that it special cases <warning>
and <caution> before it looks in the en-label-title-sep hash.

Neither of which are particularly clean, so I've sort of ignored the
problem, in the hope that I dream up a better way.

The alternative is to do what you've done, which is patch the
stylesheets as they're installed.  That's not really the perfect
approach either, as anyone that tries to formation documentation on
FreeBSD that doesn't use our customisation layer will now find that they
get a spurious ': ' inserted when they use <warning> or <caution>.

Anyway, that's the problem, and we have at least three solutions, none
of which are (IMHO) optimal.  Any suggestions for a fourth way?

N
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[ Cc:-ed freebsd-doc where it belongs ]

On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:57:00PM +0100, Marco van de Voort wrote:
> >   There's a `programming-tools' article in the doc tree, and the
> > information Marco provided should definitely be included there.
> > If someone would bother to convert it to DocBook and produce some
> > patches that'd be very nice of him :)
> 
> Exactly, 
> 
> meanwhile I thought it over, and if you want, I'll write an entire section,
> better than this one. I have some material from some articles lying around.
> And I'll also cut in on GPC to allow them to provide their input, if they
> want to, making it better balanced.

  The Project will undoubtly benefit from your contribution.  As for
myself, I recall some time ago I really lacked a good Pascal
compiler for FreeBSD.  It will be very handy to have one in Ports
together with an article providing some info about it.

> >   Don't you want to help, Jessem?
> 
> In retrospect, the original msg had some info a bit scattered (the document
> and the section name weren't together in the subject), so I bear no grudge
> ;-)

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<<On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:53:20 +0000, Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org> said:

> and <caution> before it looks in the en-label-title-sep hash.

ITYM ``alist''.

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On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 11:13:07AM -0500, Garrett Wollman wrote:
> <<On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 15:53:20 +0000, Nik Clayton <nik@FreeBSD.org> said:
> 
> > and <caution> before it looks in the en-label-title-sep hash.
> 
> ITYM ``alist''.

Ah, yes.  I forgot the footnote.

N

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It's very plain and simple:

	if one has a filled /usr/obj/i386(and sys?), one can build a
	kernel by using the new-style

and

	if not, one has to use the old-style

greetings,

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Hi Good Folks,

Please review for style and commit this patch to setreuid(2).

Thanks much!
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 ID to the effective user ID and vice-versa; only the super-user may
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 .Pp
+If the real user ID is changed (i.e.
+.Fa ruid
+is not -1) or the effective user ID is changed to something other than 
+the real user ID, then the saved user ID will be set to the effective user ID.
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The link for "supported configurations" in the Hardware requirements
section of the http://www.freebsd.org/availability.html page points to
an old location.  It points to
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install.html#INSTALL-HW
but shold probably point to
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/install-hw.html

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On 19 Jan 2001, at 21:25, Maarten van Schie wrote:

> It's very plain and simple:
> 
> 	if one has a filled /usr/obj/i386(and sys?), one can build a
> 	kernel by using the new-style
> 
> and
> 
> 	if not, one has to use the old-style

Thanks, but events seem to have over taken this statement.

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o www building failed with log:
============================================================
===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq
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===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man5
Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man5
===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man6
Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man6
===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man7
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===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books
===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq
/usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images  -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../ru_RU.KOI8-R/share/sgml/catalog -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog  -d /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml
tidy -i -m -f /dev/null -latin1 `xargs < HTML.manifest`
*** Error code 1 (ignored)
/usr/local/bin/jade -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -V nochunks  -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../ru_RU.KOI8-R/share/sgml/catalog -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog  -d /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml > book.html || (rm -f book.html && false)
tidy -i -m -f /dev/null -latin1 book.html
*** Error code 1 (ignored)
===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/porters-handbook
===> zh_TW.Big5
===> zh_TW.Big5/books
===> zh_TW.Big5/books/faq
touch /home/kuriyama/build/result/doc-all.done
*** doc-all finished at Sat Jan 20 23:36:26 JST 2001 ***

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Thus spake Jun Kuriyama (kuriyama@jp.FreeBSD.org):

> o www building failed with log:
> ============================================================
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/faq
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/handbook
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/ppp-primer
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/books/porters-handbook
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man1
> Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man1
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man5
> Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man5
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man6
> Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man6
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man7
> Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man7
> ===> ja_JP.eucJP/man/man8
> Warning: Object directory not changed from original /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ja_JP.eucJP/man/man8
> ===> ru_RU.KOI8-R
> ===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books
> ===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq
> /usr/local/bin/jade -V html-manifest -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images  -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../ru_RU.KOI8-R/share/sgml/catalog -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog  -d /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml
> tidy -i -m -f /dev/null -latin1 `xargs < HTML.manifest`
> *** Error code 1 (ignored)
> /usr/local/bin/jade -ioutput.html -ioutput.html.images -V nochunks  -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../ru_RU.KOI8-R/share/sgml/catalog -c /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/dsssl/modular/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/docbook/catalog -c /usr/local/share/sgml/jade/catalog  -d /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/../../../share/sgml/default.dsl -t sgml /pub/tmp/kuriyama/ncvs/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/faq/book.sgml > book.html || (rm -f book.html && false)
> tidy -i -m -f /dev/null -latin1 book.html
> *** Error code 1 (ignored)
> ===> ru_RU.KOI8-R/books/porters-handbook
> ===> zh_TW.Big5
> ===> zh_TW.Big5/books
> ===> zh_TW.Big5/books/faq
> touch /home/kuriyama/build/result/doc-all.done
> *** doc-all finished at Sat Jan 20 23:36:26 JST 2001 ***
> 
> ============================================================

Could you maybe underline the error for me? :-)

Thanks

Alex


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Chris Smith (chris@amgroupadmin.com) wrote:

> Hi all, after the last 4.2-STABLE (Jan 17) buildworld I get the following
> whenever I try to build a port.
> 
> ===>  ntop-1.1 : Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk. You need a
> fresh make world or an upgrade kit. Please go to
> http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the instructions.

This is a pretty common error that occurs the first time you use
cvsup to update your ports tree. (Should a solution for this be in
the handbook?)

The problem is that cvsup will not delete files unknown to the cvsup
server. (If you place a file in the ports tree and run cvsup, it should
not delete your file in an effort to synchronize the trees.)

/usr/local/bin/bash: }fmt: command not found /usr/ports /usr/ports.old
(just in case) and then I run cvsup to get a fresh ports tree.

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 12:32:36 -0600, Christopher Farley wrote:
> Chris Smith (chris@amgroupadmin.com) wrote:
> 
> > Hi all, after the last 4.2-STABLE (Jan 17) buildworld I get the 
> > following whenever I try to build a port.
> > 
> > ===>  ntop-1.1 : Your system is too old to use this bsd.port.mk. 
> > You need a fresh make world or an upgrade kit. Please go to
> > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the 
> > instructions.
> 
> This is a pretty common error that occurs the first time you use
> cvsup to update your ports tree. (Should a solution for this be in
> the handbook?)
> 
> The problem is that cvsup will not delete files unknown to the cvsup
> server. (If you place a file in the ports tree and run cvsup, it should
> not delete your file in an effort to synchronize the trees.)

You've been answering too many "my port uses an old layout" questions.  
Read the error message, it's telling him exactly what to do:

    You need a fresh make world or an upgrade kit.  Please go to
    http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the
    instructions.

Go there, grab the upgrade kit, and pkg_add it.

- jim

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On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:22:04AM -0800, Jim Mock wrote:

>     You need a fresh make world or an upgrade kit.  Please go to
>     http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the
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> Go there, grab the upgrade kit, and pkg_add it.

Except Satoshi doesn't have the new upgrade kits ready.

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2001 at 15:40:38 -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 11:22:04AM -0800, Jim Mock wrote:
> 
> >     You need a fresh make world or an upgrade kit.  Please go to
> >     http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/ or a mirror site and follow the
> >     instructions.
> > 
> > Go there, grab the upgrade kit, and pkg_add it.
> 
> Except Satoshi doesn't have the new upgrade kits ready.

Uh, then that's bad.  We really need to have those available shortly 
after things change to avoid stuff like this.

- jim

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