From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 1:10: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808B137B43E for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3M8A1Q75153; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D9937B422 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3M880N74918; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:08:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200104220808.f3M880N74918@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:08:00 -0700 (PDT) From: ancient@outloud.org To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/26766: typo in UPDATING Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26766 >Category: docs >Synopsis: typo in UPDATING >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Apr 22 01:10:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Gary Stanley >Release: 5,0-CURRENT >Organization: >Environment: >Description: Couple of typo's in UPDATING >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: diff -rcN UPDATING UPDATING.new *** UPDATING Sun Apr 22 04:04:06 2001 --- UPDATING.new Sun Apr 22 04:05:11 2001 *************** *** 7,13 **** 20010330: fsck has changed the meaning of the pass column in /etc/fstab. ! Please see the cvs commit to fsck.8 or the fsck.8 man page fora details. It is unclear if changes to /etc/fstab are necessary. 20010319: --- 7,13 ---- 20010330: fsck has changed the meaning of the pass column in /etc/fstab. ! Please see the cvs commit to fsck.8 or the fsck.8 man page for details. It is unclear if changes to /etc/fstab are necessary. 20010319: *************** *** 25,31 **** instead of ad-hoc. 20010310: ! /dev/urandmon should be a sumbolic link to /dev/random now. Users of current not using DEVFS need to run MAKEDEV std. ssh might not work if you don't. --- 25,31 ---- instead of ad-hoc. 20010310: ! /dev/urandmon should be a symbolic link to /dev/random now. Users of current not using DEVFS need to run MAKEDEV std. ssh might not work if you don't. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 1:13:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C6037B424; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3M8DYT75574; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:13:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104220813.f3M8DYT75574@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, imp@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/26766: typo in UPDATING Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: typo in UPDATING Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->imp Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sun Apr 22 01:13:07 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: imp maintains UPDATING. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26766 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 3:35:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bremen.shuttle.de (bremen.shuttle.de [194.95.249.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC5C37B423 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 03:35:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schweikh@schweikhardt.net) Received: by bremen.shuttle.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id 9905317D50; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:35:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from schweikh@localhost) by hal9000.schweikhardt.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3MAWOO31784 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:32:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from schweikh) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:32:24 +0200 From: Jens Schweikhardt To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Handbook installkernel request Message-ID: <20010422123224.A31760@schweikhardt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, world\n I'm looking at the 4.2-R Handbook, file:/usr/share/doc/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html This chapter probably needs updating for latest kernels, in particular # cd /usr/src # make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL # make installkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL needs KERNCONF instead of KERNEL. And you should also add a paragraph on /boot/device.hints because without it this is what happens: root@hal9000:/usr/src # make installkernel KERNCONF=HAL9000 cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HAL9000; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.6.0 MACHINE=i386 make KERNEL=kernel install You must set up a /boot/device.hints file first. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HAL9000. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. PS: I'm upgrading from 4.2-R to a -current system, and this may well be not the scope of the 4.2-R handbook chapters; in this case feel free to ignore this mail :-) Regards, Jens -- Jens Schweikhardt http://www.schweikhardt.net/ SIGSIG -- signature too long (core dumped) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 4:14: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FC937B422 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:14:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id NAA00859; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:13:57 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14rHoT-0004S6-00; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:13:57 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 13:13:57 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: Jens Schweikhardt Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Handbook installkernel request Message-ID: <20010422131357.G21216@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , Jens Schweikhardt , doc@FreeBSD.org References: <20010422123224.A31760@schweikhardt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010422123224.A31760@schweikhardt.net>; from schweikh@schweikhardt.net on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:32:24PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Jens, On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:32:24PM +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: > > hello, world\n > > I'm looking at the 4.2-R Handbook, > file:/usr/share/doc/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html OK. Before reporting bugs in the documentation, always look at the version on the web, in this case at: http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/ since the Documentation Project is an ongoing effort, the docs change all the time. You can also download them from: ftp:///pub/FreeBSD/doc in various formats. Or, if you feel like it, you can install the textproc/docproj port, and then use cvsup to get the source for them (use examples/cvsup/doc-supfile as appropriate) and this even enables you to contribute by sending in diffs:-) and you can regenerate the docs at any time from them. > This chapter probably needs updating for latest kernels, in particular > > # cd /usr/src > # make buildkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL > # make installkernel KERNEL=MYKERNEL > > needs KERNCONF instead of KERNEL. And you should also add a paragraph > on /boot/device.hints because without it this is what happens: This particular goodie has been already corrected:-) So 4.3-RELEASE already went out with the correct version. Nothing to be done now:-) > root@hal9000:/usr/src # make installkernel KERNCONF=HAL9000 > cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HAL9000; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj COMPILER_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/lib OBJFORMAT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libexec PERL5LIB=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/libdata/perl/5.6.0 MACHINE=i386 make KERNEL=kernel install > You must set up a /boot/device.hints file first. <...> This feature is -CURRENT only, so let's not confuse people with it. by the time 5.0 hits the streets, it will be in the docs. The docs do not support -CURRENT in general since it changes too quickly. BTW this error msg is even a good thing(tm). Earlier, when it let you build, install a new kernel and even reboot without a device.hints file, you really were in for a tough time, when upon reboot the machine lost the keyboard and the console and would display nothing on the screen any more or react to keys pressed (although it could come up alright and if you were lucky you could get into it by network:-) > PS: I'm upgrading from 4.2-R to a -current system, and this may well be > not the scope of the 4.2-R handbook chapters; in this case feel free to > ignore this mail :-) No probs, we are here to answer:-) Schoenes Wochenende noch! -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 4:16:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from peitho.fxp.org (peitho.fxp.org [209.26.95.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1FA37B422 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:16:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jedgar@www.fxp.org) Received: from jive.44bsd.net (oca-pm3-5-43.hitter.net [207.192.77.43]) by peitho.fxp.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFFF1360C; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by jive.44bsd.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1106FD90B; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 07:16:50 -0400 From: Chris Faulhaber To: Jens Schweikhardt Cc: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Handbook installkernel request Message-ID: <20010422071650.A99476@jive.44bsd.net> References: <20010422123224.A31760@schweikhardt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010422123224.A31760@schweikhardt.net>; from schweikh@schweikhardt.net on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:32:24PM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:32:24PM +0200, Jens Schweikhardt wrote: >=20 > hello, world\n >=20 > I'm looking at the 4.2-R Handbook, > file:/usr/share/doc/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html >=20 > This chapter probably needs updating for latest kernels, in particular >=20 > # cd /usr/src > # make buildkernel KERNEL=3DMYKERNEL > # make installkernel KERNEL=3DMYKERNEL >=20 > needs KERNCONF instead of KERNEL. And you should also add a paragraph > on /boot/device.hints because without it this is what happens: >=20 Taking a look at the online version, this has already been fixed: Note: In FreeBSD 4.2 and older you must replace KERCONF=3D with KERNEL= =3D. 4.2-STABLE that was fetched after Feb 2nd, 2001 does recognize KERNCONF= =3D http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-bui= lding.html --=20 Chris D. Faulhaber - jedgar@fxp.org - jedgar@FreeBSD.org -------------------------------------------------------- FreeBSD: The Power To Serve - http://www.FreeBSD.org --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: FreeBSD: The Power To Serve iEYEARECAAYFAjrivaIACgkQObaG4P6BelA2OgCfThWEDFrrl7E4je0sjPZwgNZ4 i28AmwcZcPP8XHQvNuj/6gY0QQ/yHZf7 =EZJu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 4:58:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from internal.mail.telinco.net (internal.mail.telinco.net [212.1.128.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A121837B423 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 04:58:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from ppp-dp1-mk-66.access.uk.worldonline.com ([212.74.113.66] helo=bloodhound.uk.worldonline.com) by internal.mail.telinco.net with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 14rIVB-000AIb-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:58:05 +0100 Received: from brian by bloodhound.uk.worldonline.com with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14rIV8-00035T-00 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:58:02 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:58:02 +0100 From: Brian Candler To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Sequencing of messages in mailing list archives Message-ID: <20010422125802.A11835@linnet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When you try to read a mailing list archive in 'subject' order, the messages appear to be in an arbitrary order in the index (most noticeably, the first posting in the thread is often in the middle). For example see: http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mailindex.cgi?sort=subject&file=archive/2001/freebsd-stable/20010422.freebsd-stable and have a look at the thread "Found a typo...". It does not seem to be sorting either in date order, or by following message threads. I have tried manually unpicking this thread, and here's what you get, showing the messages in the same order as the list archive: (1)Re: Found a typo... Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:50:40 +0200 (Mon 2350Z) In-Reply-To: (4) References: (2), (4) (2) Re: Found a typo... Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:15:01 +0200 (Mon 2115Z) In-Reply-To: (3) (3) Found a typo... Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:37:56 -0500 (Mon 1637Z) (4) Re: Found a typo... Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:10:03 -0700 (Mon 2310Z) In-Reply-To: (2) (5) Re: Found a typo... Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:34:43 +0200 (Tue 0935Z) In-Reply-To: (4) References: (2), (4) (6) Re: Found a typo... Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:12:02 +0200 (Thu 2212Z) In-Reply-To: (7) References: (5), (7) (7) Re: Found a typo... Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:45:51 -0700 (Thu 1245Z) In-Reply-To: (5) The natural order by In-Reply-To: should be 3 2 4 1 5 7 6 (or 5 1 instead of 1 5, but date disambiguates) Sorting by date also gives the same order. This makes it very tricky to follow a thread using the index... so it would be nice if this could be fixed. Thanks, Brian. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 12:59:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from badger.wordzoo.com (c490357-a.pinol1.sfba.home.com [24.12.58.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3B2837B424 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jared@wordzoo.com) Received: (from jared@localhost) by badger.wordzoo.com (8.12.0.Beta7/8.12.0.Beta7/Debian 8.12.0.Beta7-1) id f3MJxdqU027805; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:39 -0700 Message-ID: <15075.14379.170645.999536@badger.wordzoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:59:39 -0700 From: Jared Rhine To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Release 4.2 X-Mailer: VM 6.89 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 1.7) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Minor nit: On < http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ >, the "Past Releases" section should list 4.2 at the top. The last one currently listed in 4.1.1. -- jared@wordzoo.com "Practice before theory." -- Sotetsu Yanagi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 21: 3: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nova.sparklist.com (nova.sparklist.com [207.250.144.28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 602F837B42C for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:03:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sparklist-admin@nova.sparklist.com) Message-Id: X-sparklist-type: unsubscribed From: "SparkLIST.com" Reply-To: "SparkLIST.com" To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: your unsubscribe request Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:04:57 -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As you requested, you have been unsubscribed from 'fwd-newswire'. --- Return-Path: Received: from nova.sparklist.com ([207.250.144.28]) by nova.sparklist.com with SMTP (SparkLIST.com WIN32 version 4.1); Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:04:56 -0500 From: doc@freebsd.org () To: fwd-newswire-request Subject: # Mail sent to leave-fwd-newswire was converted to these commands: unsubscribe end # This is the text of the message that triggered the action: Return-Path: Received: from nova.sparklist.com ([207.250.144.28]) by nova.sparklist.com with SMTP (SparkLIST.com WIN32 version 4.1); Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:04:56 -0500 From: doc@freebsd.org () To: leave-fwd-newswire@nova.sparklist.com Subject: your subscription request IP:4.41.88.96 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 22:36:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from klapaucius.zer0.org (klapaucius.zer0.org [204.152.186.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C07537B422 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:36:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@zer0.org) Received: by klapaucius.zer0.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DD91A239A4B; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:36:51 -0700 From: Gregory Sutter To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ recommends older Nemeth book Message-ID: <20010422223651.A12199@klapaucius.zer0.org> References: <20010422031337.C4964@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010422031337.C4964@welearn.com.au>; from sue@welearn.com.au on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 03:13:40AM +1000 Organization: Zer0 X-Purpose: For great justice! Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2001-04-22 03:13 +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > At http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/preface.html (as viewed just now) the > last book listed under #BOOKS is very good, but our information about > it is out of date. >=20 > Changes: >=20 > The current edition is the third edition, which has a different > coloured cover. (Sorry, I don't have one handy) >=20 > The price would not be the same any more. ISTR paying about $150 for it > here in Australia, but I couldn't guess what it costs elsewhere. The third edition has a purple cover, and costs $57.25 (or $68.00 from Amazon), as seen here: http://mall.daemonnews.org/?page=3Dshop/flypage&product_id=3D803 > I don't recall whether or not any of its other authors have changed. The authors are the same. =20 > A big difference is that in the third edition everything is explained > in terms of four representative types of unix, FreeBSD being one of > them.=20 =20 Solaris, HP/UX, FreeBSD, and Linux. =20 > > Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Scott Seebass & Trent R. Hein, `Unix System > > Administration Handbook'', Prentice-Hall, 1995 ISBN: > > 0-13-151051-7 UNIX System Administration Handbook by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Scott Seebass, Trent R. Hein Paperback - 853 pages 3nd edition (August 2000) Prentice Hall PTR; ISBN: 0130206016 ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.30 x 9.23 x 7.06 Again, if you're looking to purchase this book, one of the places you could buy it is here: http://mall.daemonnews.org/?page=3Dshop/flypage&product_id=3D803 Greg --=20 Gregory S. Sutter If ignorance is bliss, you must be orgasmic. mailto:gsutter@zer0.org=20 http://www.zer0.org/~gsutter/=20 hkp://wwwkeys.pgp.net/0x845DFEDD --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: '' iD8DBQE6479zIBUx1YRd/t0RAoqAAJ9LQgbjG4SJokyhjX+zzy15UYrKqACdFpeW oWDD1RXnNLPbn50ABNkIdP8= =pDxb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tThc/1wpZn/ma/RB-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 22:40: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC97237B506 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3N5e1Z11480; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:40:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2813A37B422 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3N5WFP10423; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200104230532.f3N5WFP10423@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 22:32:15 -0700 (PDT) From: jmallett@newgold.net To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/26789: plural of dwarf is dwarves Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26789 >Category: docs >Synopsis: plural of dwarf is dwarves >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sun Apr 22 22:40:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Joseph Mallett >Release: NA >Organization: xMach Research Group >Environment: NA >Description: on http://www.freebsd.org/security/, the plural of dwarf is used as dwarfs, it should be dwarves >How-To-Repeat: strcpy() and sprintf() calls from unbounded data. Use strncpy and snprintf() when the length is known (or implement some other form of bounds-checking when the length is unknown). In fact, never ever use gets() or sprintf(), period. If you do - we will send evil dwarfs after you. >Fix: strcpy() and sprintf() calls from unbounded data. Use strncpy and snprintf() when the length is known (or implement some other form of bounds-checking when the length is unknown). In fact, never ever use gets() or sprintf(), period. If you do - we will send evil dwarves after you. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 23:34:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 419A537B423; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gsutter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3N6Ymr22677; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:34:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gsutter) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:34:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104230634.f3N6Ymr22677@freefall.freebsd.org> To: jmallett@newgold.net, gsutter@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26789: plural of dwarf is dwarves Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: plural of dwarf is dwarves State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: gsutter State-Changed-When: Sun Apr 22 23:08:51 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Both "dwarfs" and "dwarves" are now acceptable plurals for "dwarf", although "dwarfs" is without doubt the more proper. Perhaps we should change it to "dwarrows" in honor of the master? A modern dictionary reference: http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=dwarves From Lord of the Rings, Appendix F (II), On Translation: ------ It may be observed that in this book as in The Hobbit the form dwarves is used, although the dictionaries tell us that the plural of dwarf is dwarfs. It should be dwarrows (or dwerrows), if singular and plural had each gone its own way down the years, as have man and men, or goose and geese. But we no longer speak of a dwarf as often as we do of a man, or even of a goose, and memories have not been fresh enough among Men to keep hold of a special plural for a race now abandoned to folk tales, where at least a shadow of truth is preserved, or at last to nonsense-stories in which they have become mere figures of fun. But in the Third Age something of their old character and power is still glimpsed, if already a little dimmed [...] It is to mark this that I have ventured to use the form dwarves, and so to remove them a little, perhaps, from the sillier tales of these latter days. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26789 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sun Apr 22 23:51:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2881537B424 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2001 23:51:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mark.barrington@dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.150]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f3N6opD00035 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:20:51 +0930 (CST) Received: from muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (unverified) by dsto-ms2.dsto.defence.gov.au (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:19:11 +0930 Received: from salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au (salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.2.9]) by muttley.dsto.defence.gov.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/8.9.3.LMD.990513) with ESMTP id QAA08459 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:15:59 +0930 (CST) Received: by salex001.dsto.defence.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:15:56 +0930 Message-ID: <2149A0BABC77D311AF890090274E00B203875462@salex005.dsto.defence.gov.au> From: "Barrington, Mark" To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: ISO images to BOOTABLE cd's ? how to Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:16:02 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs my compliments on the clear and concise guide to FreeBSD, the document I have been reading being http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/install-guide.htm l#INSTALL-MSDOS I was encouraged to read the following easy to understand text ... "2.2.1.2. Before Installing from CDROM If your CDROM is of an unsupported type, please skip ahead to the MS-DOS Preparation section. ~ There is not a whole lot of preparation needed if you are installing from one of BSDi's FreeBSD CDROMs (other CDROM distributions may work as well, though we cannot say for certain as we have no hand or say in how they created). You can either boot into the CD installation directly from DOS using the install.bat or you can make floppies with the makeflp.bat command. ~ If the CD has El Torito boot support and your system supports booting directly from the CDROM drive (many older systems do NOT), simply insert the first CD of the set into the drive and reboot your system. You will be put into the installation menu directly from the CD. ~ If you are installing from an MS-DOS partition and have the proper drivers to access your CD, run the install.bat script provided on the CDROM. This will attempt to boot the FreeBSD installation directly from DOS. ~ Note: You must do this from actual DOS (i.e., boot in DOS mode) and not from a DOS window under Windows. For the easiest interface of all (from DOS), type view. This will bring up a DOS menu utility that leads you through all of the available options." The bit that I found encouraging was this line "(other CDROM distributions may work as well, though we cannot say for certain as we have no hand or say in how they created)" Is that true that it is necessarily the case that you shall have "no hand or say" in this process? What I would really like to know, and would really appreciate having explained in a followable form is just how can I convert the ISO images that I can download from the site into BOOTABLE CD's. Just how would I do this on a typical Windows machine equiped with a CD burner and say Adaptec's EAsyCD version 3.51? Have I a valid question? Am I asking to be spoon fed too much? Unfortunately I dont know Adaptec EasyCD so well although I have access to it, but I suspect that I have to do something special to make sure any CD I burn that might be bootable IS. What is the "El Torito boot support". Is it listed on your site somewhere? Is this part of the process made a little bit harder so as to encourage sales via the FreeBSDmall ? (well?). Whatever, I find the inability to get going frustrating, and the lack of coverage of this vital step to get beginners going just a tad unsettling. Would you please consider having in this section of the user manual a link to a page on how to perform this vital step in the process of acquiring FreeBSD ? I wonder if there wouldn't be other's that would appreciate that, and consequently rip into the product with relish. Thanks for hearing me out, I hope you appreciate what I'm saying Mark Barrington Adelaide Australia mbarring@on.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 0:24:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from castle.poland.com (castle.poland.com [213.25.69.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275FA37B423 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:24:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from radoslaw.wozniak@poland.com) Received: by castle.intra with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <28N047CZ>; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:23:57 +0200 Message-ID: From: Wozniak Radoslaw To: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: help Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:23:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org +----------------------+ |Rados=B3aw Wo=BCniak | |Administrator LAN/WAN | |Poland.COM | =20 +----------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 0:24:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (sol.cc.u-szeged.hu [160.114.8.24]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A13A37B424 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 00:24:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sziszi@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu) Received: from petra.hos.u-szeged.hu by sol.cc.u-szeged.hu (8.9.3+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id JAA19290; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:24:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: from sziszi by petra.hos.u-szeged.hu with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14rahf-0003HE-00; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:24:11 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 09:24:11 +0200 From: Szilveszter Adam To: "Barrington, Mark" Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: ISO images to BOOTABLE cd's ? how to Message-ID: <20010423092411.B10637@petra.hos.u-szeged.hu> Mail-Followup-To: Szilveszter Adam , "Barrington, Mark" , "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" References: <2149A0BABC77D311AF890090274E00B203875462@salex005.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <2149A0BABC77D311AF890090274E00B203875462@salex005.dsto.defence.gov.au>; from mark.barrington@dsto.defence.gov.au on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 04:16:02PM +0930 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Mark, While there is a document that tells you how to create CD-s on FreeBSD, it will not help you for the time being. The important thing is: You only need to burn the ISO you just downloaded to a CD, everything else, including boot support has already been done for you. See the help files for your Easy CD Creator and be sure to select ISO image as the input format. You might find this doc useful, although it was written for NetBSD, but don't bother it will work mostly: http://www.netbsd.org/Documentation/bootcd.html (Note to -doc team: maybe we need something like this too. After all, the ISOs were put there for people to use them and other OSen provide friendly howtos on burning them.) -- Regards: Szilveszter ADAM Szeged University Szeged Hungary To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 4:30: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43AD937B424 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3NBU1X77441; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:30:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAE437B423 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:29:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3NBTIU77329; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:29:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200104231129.f3NBTIU77329@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 04:29:18 -0700 (PDT) From: B.Candler@pobox.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/26794: 4.3 INSTALL.TXT refers to upcoming features in FreeBSD 3.0 :-) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26794 >Category: docs >Synopsis: 4.3 INSTALL.TXT refers to upcoming features in FreeBSD 3.0 :-) >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Apr 23 04:30:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Brian Candler >Release: 4.3-RELEASE >Organization: >Environment: >Description: From INSTALL.TXT on the 4.3-RELEASE ISO: 2.4 Can I run DOS binaries under FreeBSD? --- ------------------------------------- Ongoing work with BSDI's doscmd utility is bringing this much closer to being a reality in FreeBSD 3.0, though it still has some rough edges. ... >How-To-Repeat: tail -15 INSTALL.TXT >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 8:10: 8 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 395A037B424 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3NFA3X17222; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from sbtx.tmn.ru (sbtx.tmn.ru [212.76.160.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94EA37B42C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:03:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from serg@sbtx.tmn.ru) Received: from sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru (sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru [212.76.160.59]) by sbtx.tmn.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3NF31T56471 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:03:02 +0600 (YEKST) (envelope-from serg@sbtx.tmn.ru) Received: (from serg@localhost) by sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3NF31S00796; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:03:01 +0600 (YEKST) (envelope-from serg) Message-Id: <200104231503.f3NF31S00796@sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 21:03:01 +0600 (YEKST) From: serg@tmn.ru Reply-To: serg@tmn.ru To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/26796: frdp/doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/articles/Makefile.inc Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26796 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Overwriting existing en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions with ru_RU.KOI8-R >Confidential: no >Severity: serious >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Apr 23 08:10:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Sergey N. Voronkov >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE i386 >Organization: Sibitex >Environment: System: FreeBSD sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru 4.3-RELEASE FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE #14: Mon Apr 23 13:05:46 YEKST 2001 serg@sv.tech.sibitex.tmn.ru:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/SV i386 >Description: doc/ru_RU.KOI8-R/articles/Makefile.inc tagged its install directory as ${DOCDIR}/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/ whot is copletely wrong. Those 'make release' target produse wrong charset format for /usr/share/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions/ (FreeBSD 4.3-RELEASE as an example) >How-To-Repeat: make all install FORMATS='html html-split txt' INSTALL_COMPRESSED='' >Fix: --- Makefile.inc.orig Mon Apr 23 20:54:18 2001 +++ Makefile.inc Mon Apr 23 20:54:40 2001 @@ -4,4 +4,4 @@ # Original revision: 1.3 # -DESTDIR?= ${DOCDIR}/en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/${.CURDIR:T} +DESTDIR?= ${DOCDIR}/ru_RU.KOI8-R/articles/${.CURDIR:T} >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 11: 0:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDA037B440 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3NI0KL51023 for freebsd-doc@freebsd.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:00:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200104231800.f3NI0KL51023@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: peter set sender to owner-bugmaster@freebsd.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD doc list Subject: Current unassigned doc problem reports Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The report has been examined by a team member and evaluated. f - feedback The problem has been solved, and the originator has been given a patch or a fix has been committed. The PR remains in this state pending a response from the originator. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested. Critical problems Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2000/07/18] docs/20028 doc ASCII docs should reflect tags o [2000/12/28] docs/23910 doc Handbook Chapter 14. Sound -- some fixes o [2001/01/05] docs/24083 doc change layout and content of kernel build o [2001/01/15] docs/24363 doc lack of explanation o [2001/04/15] docs/26605 doc The documents for ppp(8) have some incons o [2001/04/23] docs/26796 doc Overwriting existing en_US.ISO_8859-1/art 6 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- a [1998/07/31] docs/7456 doc dialog(3) man page outdated o [1999/04/07] docs/10997 doc Problem with query-pr-summary.cgi o [1999/09/25] docs/13950 doc webpage idea o [1999/09/25] docs/13967 doc FreeBSD Related Publications in Korea o [1999/10/06] docs/14158 doc md5(1) manpage should not claim the md5 a o [1999/10/27] docs/14565 doc ioctl() codes for device type `fd' (flopp f [2000/03/20] docs/17521 doc Proposed FAQ on assembly programming o [2000/04/03] kern/17774 doc stray irq7 o [2000/05/03] docs/18379 doc Information on SSH hard to find in Handbo o [2000/06/05] docs/19010 doc Bad144 obsoletion by 4.0 is undocumented; o [2000/06/23] docs/19481 doc Serial Communications chapter in Handbook f [2000/07/17] docs/19981 doc Indonesian translations o [2000/08/04] docs/20400 doc Building a kernel with debugging info sec o [2000/08/10] docs/20528 doc sysconf(3) manpage doesn't mention posix. o [2000/08/20] docs/20738 doc correction and modification to clocks(7) o [2000/08/23] docs/20794 doc Request 2 good documents under people.fre o [2000/10/07] docs/21826 doc ARP proxy feature lacks documentation o [2000/10/10] docs/21896 doc Mini-HOWTO for stp driver o [2000/10/26] docs/22333 doc share/doc/smm/07.lpd building moved in 3. f [2000/11/01] docs/22470 doc man 3 msgrcv's BUGS section needs updatin o [2000/11/14] docs/22861 doc newsyslog man page is misleading and inco o [2000/12/04] docs/23292 doc /etc/dumpdates is not documented in secti o [2000/12/11] docs/23488 doc A manpage for section 7 regarding a Toron o [2000/12/14] docs/23559 doc missing manpage for hsearch libc function o [2000/12/22] docs/23767 doc ifconfig(8) manual page does not document o [2001/01/02] docs/24035 doc ptrace(2) PT_STEP incorrect documentation o [2001/01/26] docs/24662 doc too many questions about source managemen o [2001/02/01] docs/24786 doc missing FILES descriptions in sa(4) o [2001/02/03] docs/24839 doc fix ether.bridge o [2001/02/05] docs/24869 doc Some text elf.5 is duplicated o [2001/02/06] docs/24923 doc 4.2 Release Errata page has no informatio o [2001/02/11] docs/25000 doc matcd(4) SYNOPSIS is wrong o [2001/02/11] docs/25016 doc symlink(7) manpage says symlinks have no o [2001/02/16] docs/25134 doc Kernel USER_LDT option help incomplete a [2001/02/20] docs/25239 doc fdp-primer/tools/chapter.sgml says about o [2001/02/26] docs/25392 doc Chapter 9 pages could use 'location of fu o [2001/02/26] docs/25405 doc misleading warning from catman(1), etc. o [2001/02/27] docs/25420 doc man page missing important information. o [2001/02/27] docs/25437 doc kernel configs are the only precious file o [2001/02/28] docs/25450 doc remove NCPU from docs o [2001/03/10] docs/25648 doc typos in some manpages (dependant) o [2001/03/10] docs/25657 doc no netid(5) man page o [2001/03/12] docs/25735 doc error in handbook o [2001/03/13] docs/25774 doc incorrect synopsis in vnconfig(8) o [2001/03/16] docs/25876 doc typos in jail.2 o [2001/03/18] docs/25892 doc doc.html.mk: use OpenJade on alpha o [2001/03/19] docs/25919 doc supported hardware list says 'no' for Sou o [2001/03/22] docs/26001 doc typo in sched_get_priority_max.2 f [2001/03/22] docs/26003 doc getgroups(2) lists NGROUPS_MAX but not sy o [2001/03/22] docs/26006 doc Changing zone(9) man page o [2001/03/24] docs/26060 doc No man page for /etc/host.conf o [2001/03/28] docs/26194 doc BSD Family Tree needs updated o [2001/04/02] docs/26286 doc *printf(3) etc should gain format string o [2001/04/08] docs/26451 doc ctype.h defined functions are not accurat o [2001/04/10] docs/26489 doc incomplete info in the ppp faq about "PPP f [2001/04/13] docs/26532 doc ".lQ ?" becomes "`'?" through nroff (and o [2001/04/14] docs/26574 doc Incorrect link in individual ports README o [2001/04/14] docs/26579 doc FAQ inconsistency regarding allocating sw o [2001/04/18] docs/26692 doc boot manpage describes bootfile prompt in o [2001/04/19] docs/26702 doc builtin(1) man page errors o [2001/04/21] docs/26743 doc developers-handbook: makefiles and depend o [2001/04/23] docs/26794 doc 4.3 INSTALL.TXT refers to upcoming featur 62 problems total. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 13:34:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (mta2.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.123]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9087A37B424 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:34:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bbhagvat@niksun.com) Received: from niksun.com ([64.174.64.235]) by mta2.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0GC9005GIIFM6T@mta2.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:34:07 -0700 From: Bhagyashri Bhagvat Subject: FreeBSD developer's handbook To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <3AE491BF.E7728A1@niksun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi there, I am looking for the design and implementation of FreeBSD. What is a good book to read? Where can I find that? I looked at the FreeBSD developer's handbook on the freebsd.org website, but could not find detailed information. It will be great if you could mail me the name of the book and where I can find it. Thanks, Bhagyashri. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 15:20: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C0237B423 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3NMK0p95461; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:20:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9C637B43C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3NMFQ395133; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200104232215.f3NMFQ395133@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: simon@nitro.dk To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/26805: Bad links on www.freebsd.org mirrors in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26805 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Bad links on www.freebsd.org mirrors in handbook >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Mon Apr 23 15:20:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Simon Nielsen >Release: N/A >Organization: >Environment: >Description: The links from http://www.dk.freebsd.org/handbook/sound.html (and other mirrors) to the subsections for sound the links does not work. This does not happen on the main site (www.freebsd.org) since the user gets redirected to http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ as soon as the handbook link is clicked and from that "handbook directory" the links work fine. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Make the link on the front page directly to /doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/ ? >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 20:10:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from shefen.com (shefen.com [128.121.112.246]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6DC537B423 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:10:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sheila@shefen.com) Received: from shefen.com (m0293.dialin.swt.edu [147.26.249.63]) by shefen.com (8.8.8) id WAA23618 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:10:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3AE4EEFE.10C18C6D@shefen.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 22:11:58 -0500 From: Sheila Fenelon Reply-To: sheila@shefen.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Broken links Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried to use the web site to download libxml2-2.35 but all the links for it to the ftp server were broken. Just thought someone would like to know, Sheila To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 20:11:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D3437B423; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3O3Bvb41202; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:11:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:11:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104240311.f3O3Bvb41202@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, bmah@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/26794: 4.3 INSTALL.TXT refers to upcoming features in FreeBSD 3.0 :-) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: 4.3 INSTALL.TXT refers to upcoming features in FreeBSD 3.0 :-) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->bmah Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Mon Apr 23 20:10:43 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: Bruce, INSTALL.TXT does indeed mention that doscmd "might work in 3.0", but I don't know what that text should be replaced with. Perhaps it should be removed altogether? http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26794 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Mon Apr 23 20:19: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urx.com (mail.urx.com [63.170.19.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8D337B43C for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:19:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@urx.com) Received: from urx.com [206.159.132.160] by mail.urx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A0A39A0288; Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:18:59 -0700 Message-ID: <3AE4F0A3.4E9502B@urx.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 20:18:59 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sheila@shefen.com Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Broken links References: <3AE4EEFE.10C18C6D@shefen.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sheila Fenelon wrote: > > I tried to use the web site to download libxml2-2.35 > but all the links for it to the ftp server were broken. Could it be because the file is really ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/4.3-RELEASE/packages/All/libxml2-2.3.5.tgz Kent > > Just thought someone would like to know, > Sheila > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 2:44:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B1837B422; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:44:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3O9id513706; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:44:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104240944.f3O9id513706@freefall.freebsd.org> To: serg@tmn.ru, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26796: Overwriting existing en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions with ru_RU.KOI8-R Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Overwriting existing en_US.ISO_8859-1/articles/freebsd-questions with ru_RU.KOI8-R State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Tue Apr 24 02:44:29 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed thanks. Well spotted. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26796 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 3:21:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C9A37B43E for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:21:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3O9aqW66353; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:36:52 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:36:52 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Jared Rhine Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Release 4.2 Message-ID: <20010424103652.A66317@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <15075.14379.170645.999536@badger.wordzoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jI8keyz6grp/JLjh" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <15075.14379.170645.999536@badger.wordzoo.com>; from jared@wordzoo.com on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:59:39PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:59:39PM -0700, Jared Rhine wrote: > On < http://www.freebsd.org/releases/ >, the "Past Releases" section > should list 4.2 at the top. The last one currently listed in 4.1.1. Thanks. Now fixed. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrlSTMACgkQk6gHZCw343V1eQCeKr1vfgOE9yRx0pth5WU6n6Sr Jn8AnRkhxcTqVI60OS1WrX4PVzlZOp9C =zql5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jI8keyz6grp/JLjh-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 3:25:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9E0937B424 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:25:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3O9vl566755; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:57:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:57:47 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FAQ recommends older Nemeth book Message-ID: <20010424105746.D66317@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010422031337.C4964@welearn.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010422031337.C4964@welearn.com.au>; from sue@welearn.com.au on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 03:13:40AM +1000 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 03:13:40AM +1000, Sue Blake wrote: > At http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/preface.html (as viewed just now) the > last book listed under #BOOKS is very good, but our information about > it is out of date. Updated. Thanks. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrlThkACgkQk6gHZCw343U/iwCeJ5suzA5FnGfxVJlmEUrfaOP6 cFMAnjBtpLozo4ZkgKp9SbMvlFAJj87W =uMN1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wLAMOaPNJ0fu1fTG-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 3:25:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A1C37B424 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:25:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3O9kpH66574; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:46:51 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:46:51 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Bhagyashri Bhagvat Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD developer's handbook Message-ID: <20010424104650.B66317@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <3AE491BF.E7728A1@niksun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AE491BF.E7728A1@niksun.com>; from bbhagvat@niksun.com on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 01:34:07PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 01:34:07PM -0700, Bhagyashri Bhagvat wrote: > I am looking for the design and implementation of FreeBSD.=20 That book is currently being written. It's not been released yet. > What is a > good book to read? Where can I find that? See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/bibliography.h= tml for a comprehensive list. > I looked at the FreeBSD developer's handbook on the freebsd.org > website, but could not find detailed information. The developer's handbook is a work in progress. Please feel free to suggest any improvements to the text. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrlS4oACgkQk6gHZCw343WDzACfZNQr8T6ZQE5sxLJZljz+5dMO V7YAoJP78VZNiUAIjiU5kdvyg/m3GhX8 =08Dx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ZoaI/ZTpAVc4A5k6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 3:26:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C2037B424 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:26:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3O9plD66589; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:51:47 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:51:47 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Barrington, Mark" Cc: "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: ISO images to BOOTABLE cd's ? how to Message-ID: <20010424105147.C66317@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <2149A0BABC77D311AF890090274E00B203875462@salex005.dsto.defence.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <2149A0BABC77D311AF890090274E00B203875462@salex005.dsto.defence.gov.au>; from mark.barrington@dsto.defence.gov.au on Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 04:16:02PM +0930 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 04:16:02PM +0930, Barrington, Mark wrote: > What I would really like to know, and would really appreciate having > explained in a followable form is just how can I convert the ISO images t= hat > I can download from the site into BOOTABLE CD's. Just how would I do this > on a typical Windows machine equiped with a CD burner and say Adaptec's > EAsyCD version 3.51? Good question. Of course, most of the FreeBSD developers don't run Windows, and of the ones that do, few of them probably have access to the same hardware and software you are using. I'm guessing that the Adaptec software probably has a 'raw' mode, or similar, where it will take a file you give it and write it directly to the CD, without trying to add any extra bits itself. However, without the software manual in front of me I couldn't tell you exactly which menu options to chose. What would be really useful is if you could a) Spend the time to discover exactly how to do this. b) Write up instructions on how you did it (including screenshots, if possible). c) Submit those instructions to the FreeBSD Doc. Project, so we can put them on the website. Thanks, N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrlTLMACgkQk6gHZCw343W0FQCfdsVfgvn5L9RuoLaZsY6IusJk pzUAoIPAo8uknKbL7xGViXdZCcOheKJy =0Vli -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xo44VMWPx7vlQ2+2-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 3:42: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.urx.com (mail.urx.com [63.170.19.36]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D6B637B422; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kstewart@urx.com) Received: from urx.com [206.159.132.160] by mail.urx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A877264026A; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: <3AE55876.A5AD6654@urx.com> Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:41:58 -0700 From: Kent Stewart Reply-To: kstewart@urx.com Organization: Dynacom X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Barrington, Mark" , "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: ISO images to BOOTABLE cd's ? how to References: <2149A0BABC77D311AF890090274E00B203875462@salex005.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20010424105147.C66317@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 04:16:02PM +0930, Barrington, Mark wrote: > > What I would really like to know, and would really appreciate having > > explained in a followable form is just how can I convert the ISO images that > > I can download from the site into BOOTABLE CD's. Just how would I do this > > on a typical Windows machine equiped with a CD burner and say Adaptec's > > EAsyCD version 3.51? > > Good question. Of course, most of the FreeBSD developers don't run > Windows, and of the ones that do, few of them probably have access to > the same hardware and software you are using. > > I'm guessing that the Adaptec software probably has a 'raw' mode, or > similar, where it will take a file you give it and write it directly to > the CD, without trying to add any extra bits itself. However, without > the software manual in front of me I couldn't tell you exactly which > menu options to chose. > > What would be really useful is if you could > > a) Spend the time to discover exactly how to do this. > > b) Write up instructions on how you did it (including screenshots, if > possible). > > c) Submit those instructions to the FreeBSD Doc. Project, so we can > put them on the website. You really have to use mkisofs to build the bootable. I haven't looked at it but I think the rock ridge format is really important. You just create an iso that you can burn a CD with any of the windows CD burners. Kent > > Thanks, > > N > -- > FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ > FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ > > --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- Kent Stewart Richland, WA mailto:kbstew99@hotmail.com http://kstewart.urx.com/kstewart/index.html FreeBSD News http://daily.daemonnews.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 3:51: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bofh.euronet.nl (bofh.euronet.nl [194.134.32.103]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E09E37B422; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 03:51:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from free@bofh.euronet.nl) Received: (from free@localhost) by bofh.euronet.nl (8.11.1/8.9.3) id f3OAp5g85933; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:51:05 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from free) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:51:05 +0200 From: Frederique Rijsdijk To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Barrington, Mark" , "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: ISO images to BOOTABLE cd's ? how to Message-ID: <20010424125105.C85675@bofh.euronet.nl> References: <2149A0BABC77D311AF890090274E00B203875462@salex005.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20010424105147.C66317@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20010424105147.C66317@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:51:47AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 10:51:47AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 04:16:02PM +0930, Barrington, Mark wrote: > > What I would really like to know, and would really appreciate > > having explained in a followable form is just how can I convert the > > ISO images that I can download from the site into BOOTABLE CD's. > > a CD burner and say Adaptec's EAsyCD version 3.51? > > Good question. Of course, most of the FreeBSD developers don't run > Windows, and of the ones that do, few of them probably have access to > the same hardware and software you are using. > > I'm guessing that the Adaptec software probably has a 'raw' mode, or > similar, where it will take a file you give it and write it directly > to the CD, without trying to add any extra bits itself. However, > without the software manual in front of me I couldn't tell you > exactly which menu options to chose. > > What would be really useful is if you could > > a) Spend the time to discover exactly how to do this. > > b) Write up instructions on how you did it (including screenshots, if > possible). > > c) Submit those instructions to the FreeBSD Doc. Project, so we can > put them on the website. I'm new to this list as of today, so shoot me if I'm not making sense. Would it be usefull in this situation to even offer a small piece of software (fireburner.exe, shareware, just 380KB) via the website to burn the ISO's to CD-R?. More or less the same way FreeBSD offers tools to write the boot images to floppy. I've been using this software to burn ISO's to CD and it works flawless for me. Here's some documentation on fireburner: http://www.fireburner.com/ I could document something if appreciated? -- Frederique To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 9: 3:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F04FC37B422; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA22394; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3OG3AB06290; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1738867376P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:03:10 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1738867376P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (Apologies to -doc people who have probably heard this ad nauseum.) Over the past few months, I've been working on a project that I've taken to calling RELNOTESng, which is the overhaul of RELNOTES.TXT and related files that we package along with a FreeBSD distribution. I've been soliciting feedback from the other -doc folks, and it's time to socialize this out to a wider audience. The main problem this is intended to solve is that there's a lot of information in many different files, and not all of its is consistent. For example, a list of hardware supported by FreeBSD can currently be found in four different places (the alpha and i386 RELNOTES.TXT files, HARDWARE.TXT, and the Handbook). What I've done is to reorganize and reformat all of the *.TXT files. The new versions of these files are done in DocBook/SGML, which is the markup language used for the Handbook, FAQ, and so on. This gives us several distinct advantages: 1. By using conditional inclusion of text, we can have one set of source files that contains platform-independent text plus text applicable to particular architectures (no more double commits for each new release note). Looking down the road, when we support other architectures (for example, ia64 or ppc), we'll have a scalable way of handling them. 2. By going to DocBook, we can produce release notes in formats other than plain ASCII text; for example, we can do HTML or PDF. We gain greater readability, plus we can take advantages of features such as hyperlinks within documents. Of course the boot floppies still get the TXT files. 3. By adopting the same naming conventions and directory structures as the doc/ subtree, we can support translations of release notes, if the translation teams are so inclined. 4. Reorganizing the *.TXT files elminates some redundant information and reduces the number of files that people have to read through (they're a bit longer, but better-organized). There are two disadvantages to going this route. I think they're fairly minor: 1. Generating a set of release notes requires the DocBook toolchain to be built, as well as the doc/ subtree. Note that RELNOTESng will have absolutely no effect on the buildworld/installworld procedure. 2. It raises the bar a bit for committers wanting to make changes to the release notes, since they'll need to make changes to the DocBook files. Barring objections, I want to commit RELNOTESng, plus a patch to src/ release/Makefile, to the CVS tree. RELNOTESng still needs a bit of testing, and so for now, I have it controlled by a make(1) flag defaulting to off. Once the bugs have been shaken out, I'll make RELNOTESng the default and stop maintaining the *.TXT files. Eventually, the *.TXT files will get removed. There's a snapshot of RELNOTESng for -CURRENT, updated irregularly, at: http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ It contains PDF, HTML, and TXT versions of the various documents, as well as a tarball of my working sources, the patch for src/release/Makefile to integrate RELNOTESng into the release build, and an ISO of a 5.0-CURRENT, i386 release I did with RELNOTESng enabled. I'd very much like to get comments from people. Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1738867376P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE65aO+2MoxcVugUsMRAu8kAKCVOBVKdM053tgWJEc4j/ptcuiNlgCg8JhQ enjK7AXO/LlN5Uz1G4LLsy4= =jhEY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1738867376P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 10:21:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [18.24.4.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B398837B422; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:21:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA97189; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:21:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:21:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200104241721.NAA97189@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org < I'd very much like to get comments from people. Just a comment on the formatting.... The hardware list would look a lot better if formatted as a table; e.g.: Network interfaces Gigabit Ethernet Driver Chipset Supports these devices ti Alteon Tigon 1 Alteon ACEnic, Netgear GA620, and Tigon 2 3Com 3C985, [...] sk XaQti XMAC SysKonnect SK-982x and SK-984x wx Intel 82452 Intel EtherExpress PRO/1000 Wireless Driver Chipset Supports these devices wi Lucent/Harris Lucent WaveLAN/IEEE, Cabletron PRISM II RoamAbout 802.11, [...] Providing the name of the driver helps new users to know which device to select in sysinstall when asked for installation media (or disks to partition) and also makes the document a bit more useful outside the installation mechanism. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 12: 1: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D4EB37B424; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:00:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03256; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:00:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3OJ0sC03144; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:00:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104241900.f3OJ0sC03144@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Garrett Wollman Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <200104241721.NAA97189@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <200104241721.NAA97189@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> Comments: In-reply-to Garrett Wollman message dated "Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:21:42 -0400." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-754113091P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:00:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-754113091P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Garrett Wollman wrote: > < > > I'd very much like to get comments from people. > > Just a comment on the formatting.... The hardware list would look a > lot better if formatted as a table; e.g.: > > Network interfaces > Gigabit Ethernet > Driver Chipset Supports these devices > ti Alteon Tigon 1 Alteon ACEnic, Netgear GA620, > and Tigon 2 3Com 3C985, [...] > sk XaQti XMAC SysKonnect SK-982x and SK-984x > wx Intel 82452 Intel EtherExpress PRO/1000 > > Wireless > Driver Chipset Supports these devices > wi Lucent/Harris Lucent WaveLAN/IEEE, Cabletron > PRISM II RoamAbout 802.11, [...] ...mumble mumble...what is is, not what it looks like...mumble mumble... Seriously, yes, the formatting can use some work. It's going to take a little work to make this happen. I am not sure if the format you suggested is flexible enough to handle some of the cases we need to do, but I have to go off and think about this a bit. > Providing the name of the driver helps new users to know which device > to select in sysinstall when asked for installation media (or disks to > partition) and also makes the document a bit more useful outside the > installation mechanism. That's a somewhat orthogonal goal, but I think it's also a good one. It's a lot easier to do than restructuring (I think)...we can just add the name of the drivers to the existing classes of devices. I think I can do that with a sweep through the document either before or after the first check-in. Thanks for the feedback...much appreciated. Bruce. --==_Exmh_-754113091P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE65c1l2MoxcVugUsMRAoOVAJ49Qe6UBZTZSxNpmy3v2Yr3TZ/E/wCfZvAh tmWaE9aD0gohb7eRoxvZxtw= =NwJD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-754113091P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 12: 3:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mailserv.wright.edu (mailserv.wright.edu [130.108.128.60]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DA237B422 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:03:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrpetey@mac.com) Received: from CONVERSION-DAEMON.mailserv.wright.edu by mailserv.wright.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #45557) id <0GCB00J018Y4GN@mailserv.wright.edu> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (pogo.wright.edu [130.108.127.29]) by mailserv.wright.edu (PMDF V6.0-24 #45557) with ESMTP id <0GCB00HE88Y4RP@mailserv.wright.edu> for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:03:40 -0400 From: Peter Hein Subject: To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <0GCB00HE98Y4RP@mailserv.wright.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v387) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.387) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter N. Hein Wright State University - CaTS - Network Services Macintosh Software Specialist II peter.hein@wright.edu voice: 937.775.4949 "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" -Benjamin Franklin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 18: 9:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC49B37B422; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:09:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8186A3E2A; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:09:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, nik@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26579: FAQ inconsistency regarding allocating swap with vnconfig In-Reply-To: <200104181650.f3IGo2B07012@freefall.freebsd.org>; from jkh@osd.bsdi.com on "Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:50:02 -0700 (PDT)" Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 18:09:35 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010425010936.8186A3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan Hubbard writes: > > [ /etc/rc uses `vnconfig ... && swapon` instead of `vnconfig swap` ] > Hmmmm (a brief pause as he goes off to read the source to vnconfig). > > Well blow me, erm, down! I didn't know vnconfig would do the swapon() > itself if you used the swap argument. I agree that this should be > changed as you say. Is anybody actually going to fix this now that RELENG_4 is unfrozen? Here's the obvious patch. Index: rc =================================================================== RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/src/etc/rc,v retrieving revision 1.212.2.21 diff -u -r1.212.2.21 rc --- rc 2001/03/07 20:13:56 1.212.2.21 +++ rc 2001/04/25 01:06:14 @@ -255,7 +255,7 @@ *) if [ -w "${swapfile}" -a -c /dev/vn0b ]; then echo "Adding ${swapfile} as additional swap" - vnconfig /dev/vn0b ${swapfile} && swapon /dev/vn0b + vnconfig -ce /dev/vn0b ${swapfile} swap fi ;; esac To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Tue Apr 24 22:53:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7FE237B42C; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3P5rox81663; Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:53:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:53:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104250553.f3P5rox81663@freefall.freebsd.org> To: zgabor@CoDe.hu, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/26702: builtin(1) man page errors Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: builtin(1) man page errors State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Tue Apr 24 22:53:28 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Corrected in -current, thanks! I'll MFC it later. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Apr 24 22:53:28 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My MFC reminder. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26702 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 0:59:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ego.mind.net (ego.mind.net [206.99.66.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDE337B422; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:59:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takhus@takhus.mind.net) Received: from takhus.dyn.mind.net (AFN-Dyn-2084622070.pc.ashlandfiber.net [208.46.220.70]) by ego.mind.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28648; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:59:10 -0700 Received: from localhost (fleisher@localhost) by takhus.dyn.mind.net (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3P7x9B10894; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:59:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from takhus@takhus.mind.net) X-Authentication-Warning: takhus.dyn.mind.net: fleisher owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 00:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Fleisher X-Sender: fleisher@takhus.dyn.mind.net To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 24 Apr 2001, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > [...] > > There are two disadvantages to going this route. I think they're > fairly minor: > > 1. Generating a set of release notes requires the DocBook toolchain > to be built, as well as the doc/ subtree. Note that RELNOTESng > will have absolutely no effect on the buildworld/installworld > procedure. > >[...] > > defaulting to off. Once the bugs have been shaken out, I'll make > RELNOTESng the default and stop maintaining the *.TXT files. Eventually, > the *.TXT files will get removed. > Perhaps the *.TXT files could be periodically regenerated to their current location to 1) avoid a POLA violation and 2) allow for at least some RELNOTES without needing DocBook and doc/ (even if they may be slightly out of date). Just an idea.. Tony. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 1: 4:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD61437B422; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:04:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33653E2C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:03:56 -0700 (PDT) To: www@freebsd.org, doc@freebsd.org Subject: rel.current entity for www/en a la Handbook Reply-To: www@freebsd.org, dd@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:03:56 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010425080356.D33653E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ replies to -www, please, but keep me on the cc list ] Greetings, In order to simplify trasitioning from one release to another, I think the web site could use an entity similar to &rel.current; that the Handbook uses. From looking at includes.sgml it looks like something like this has been attempted (see a.latest.ann and a.latest.not entities), but died off (the aforementioned entities still point to 3.4!). Attached is a patch to resurrect this idea. It goes further by making a rel.current entity and defining a.latest.ann, a.latest.not, and a.latest.errata in terms of it. It also changes various files that refer to 4.3 explicitly to use the new entity. I think doing it this way will ease the work for whoever is updating everything when a new release comes out (probably jkh). It's still not as simple as changing the numbers in the entity definition--particularly, releases/index.sgml will still need to be updated manually--but I think it goes a long way. At the very least it will avoid horribly stale links (as I said, a.latest.ann points to 3.4 right now, and it *is* used). Any objections to me committing this some time this week? Thanks, Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org Index: includes.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/www/en/includes.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.38 diff -u -r1.38 includes.sgml --- includes.sgml 2001/04/21 21:03:23 1.38 +++ includes.sgml 2001/04/25 02:45:01 @@ -53,9 +53,16 @@
&author;
&date;
'> + + + -'> -'> +'> +'> +'> Index: index.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/www/en/index.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.110 diff -u -r1.110 index.sgml --- index.sgml 2001/04/22 05:22:04 1.110 +++ index.sgml 2001/04/25 02:45:01 @@ -131,13 +131,13 @@ - + Guide · &a.latest.errata;Errata + +
Current Release: 4.3
- Announcement + 		Current Release: &rel.current;
+ &a.latest.ann;Announcement · Installation - Guide · Errata
Index: where.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/www/en/where.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.48 diff -u -r1.48 where.sgml --- where.sgml 2001/04/22 05:50:59 1.48 +++ where.sgml 2001/04/25 02:45:01 @@ -38,8 +38,8 @@ href="ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD">ftp://ftp.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD: Index: releases/index.sgml =================================================================== RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/www/en/releases/index.sgml,v retrieving revision 1.53 diff -u -r1.53 index.sgml --- releases/index.sgml 2001/04/22 17:49:53 1.53 +++ releases/index.sgml 2001/04/25 02:45:02 @@ -16,11 +16,11 @@

Current Release(s)

-

Release 4.3 (April, 2001) +

Release &rel.current; (April 2001) -Announcement : -Release Notes : -Errata +Announcement : +Release Notes : +Errata

The latest daily release from our Message-Id: <200104250928.f3P9SAw24178@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dot@dotat.at, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/25774: incorrect synopsis in vnconfig(8) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: incorrect synopsis in vnconfig(8) State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Apr 25 02:28:02 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed, thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25774 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 2:31: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB7F37B424; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3P9V4625526; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:31:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:31:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104250931.f3P9V4625526@freefall.freebsd.org> To: grady@xcf.berkeley.edu, nik@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26579: FAQ inconsistency regarding allocating swap with vnconfig Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: FAQ inconsistency regarding allocating swap with vnconfig State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: nik State-Changed-When: Wed Apr 25 02:30:42 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Fixed properly in the FAQ, and in RELENG_4's /etc/rc code. Thanks. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26579 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 2:44:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CE637B43C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 02:44:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3P9i1c81381; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:44:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: www@freebsd.org, dd@freebsd.org Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: rel.current entity for www/en a la Handbook Message-ID: <20010425104400.A81151@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010425080356.D33653E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010425080356.D33653E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:03:56AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:03:56AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > In order to simplify trasitioning from one release to another, I think > the web site could use an entity similar to &rel.current; that the > Handbook uses. From looking at includes.sgml it looks like something > like this has been attempted (see a.latest.ann and a.latest.not > entities), but died off (the aforementioned entities still point to > 3.4!). Makes sense. > Any objections to me committing this some time this week? A couple of comments on the patch; > + > + > + > > -'> > -'> > +'> > +'> > +'> I think we should standardise these across the doc/ and www/ trees. As it stands, I'm not happy with a.latest.not and a.latest.ann, those should be spelled out in full (a.latest.notes, a.latest.announce). There's a "problem" with your entity definitions. You haven't included the ';' at the end of "&base". This won't generate an error, because the SGML parser 'knows' that '/' is not a valid character in an entity name, so it closes it for you, but it's questionable practice, and may confuse people who know less about SGML wondering why we use ';' in some cases and not in others. Best to be completely consistent. Rather than being anchors, perhaps they should just be URLs, so the lines become something like ... Perhaps "u.release." would be a better 'root' for the entity names? > =20 > Index: index.sgml > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/www/en/index.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.110 > diff -u -r1.110 index.sgml > --- index.sgml 2001/04/22 05:22:04 1.110 > +++ index.sgml 2001/04/25 02:45:01 > @@ -131,13 +131,13 @@ > > > > - > + Guide · &a.latest.errata;Errata > + > + > >
Current Release: 4.3 > - - href=3D"&base;/releases/4.3R/announce.html">An= nouncement > + Current Release: &rel.curr= ent;
> + &a.latest.ann;Announcement That line would become Announcement and similarly for the others. > · href=3D"&base;/handbook/install.html">Instal= lation > - Guide · - href=3D"&base;/releases/4.3R/errata.html">Er= rata
> > Index: releases/index.sgml > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > RCS file: /st/src/FreeBSD/www/en/releases/index.sgml,v > retrieving revision 1.53 > diff -u -r1.53 index.sgml > --- releases/index.sgml 2001/04/22 17:49:53 1.53 > +++ releases/index.sgml 2001/04/25 02:45:02 > @@ -16,11 +16,11 @@ > >

Current Release(s)

> =20 > -

Release 4.3 (April, 2001) > +

Release &rel.current; (April 2001) > > -Announcement : > -Release Notes : > -Errata > +Announcement : > +Release Notes : > +Errata And this would change similarly. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrmnGAACgkQk6gHZCw343U/jQCePLpYTQcpY7ELRscQMedUSwA/ 1HQAn2Tsq3qLoOB2YttY/BpoDG5Xzur/ =J/VY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --dDRMvlgZJXvWKvBx-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 5:18:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from updraft.jp.freebsd.org (updraft.jp.FreeBSD.ORG [210.157.158.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A65D37B42C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 05:18:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by updraft.jp.freebsd.org (8.11.3+3.4W/8.11.3) with ESMTP/inet id f3PCIP856287; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:18:25 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) In-Reply-To: References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Face: '*aj"d@ijeQ:/X}]oM5c5Uz{ZZZk90WPt>a^y4$cGQp8:!H\W=hSM;PuNiidkc]/%,;6VGu e+`&APmz|P;F~OL/QK%;P2vU>\j4X.8@i%j6[%DTs_3J,Fff0)*oHg$A.cDm&jc#pD24WK@{,"Ef!0 P\):.2}8jo-BiZ?X&t$V X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 XEmacs/21.5 (alfalfa) X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 24 From: Makoto MATSUSHITA To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:18:05 +0900 Message-Id: <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org takhus> Perhaps the *.TXT files could be periodically regenerated to their takhus> current location to 1) avoid a POLA violation and 2) allow for at takhus> least some RELNOTES without needing DocBook and doc/ (even if they takhus> may be slightly out of date). I second this. It is true that current.freebsd.org and much of do-it-yourself distributions are generated with 'NODOC=YES', since it needs much time and disk spaces to process doc.1 target (especially setting up a DocBook environment). Removing *.TXT files also makes some difficulties when ordinally "make buildworld/installworld" users want to know what changes are made (they should change their CVSup configulation file, checkout doc if the repository is CVSuped, install DocBook via ports, and run make(1) to get a plaintext of release notes). Just like current 'doc' distribution of 'NODOC=YES', it would be helpful that *.TXT files are in src/release. -- - Makoto `MAR' MATSUSHITA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 6:30: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDBA37B43C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3PDU2B81861; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from mail.b-pager.ru (www.b-pager.ru [217.76.32.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A3237B422 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 06:23:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ilya@b-pager.ru) Received: by mail.b-pager.ru (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 65ADF30C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:22:26 +0400 (MSD) Message-Id: <20010425132226.65ADF30C@mail.b-pager.ru> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:22:26 +0400 (MSD) From: m_ilya@agava.com Reply-To: m_ilya@agava.com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/26838: Handbook mention kernel option that doesn't exist Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26838 >Category: docs >Synopsis: Handbook mention kernel option that doesn't exist >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Apr 25 06:30:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Ilya Martynov >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: AGAVA Software >Environment: 4.3-STABLE >Description: Kernel option ATA_ENABLE_ATAPI_DMA have been removed in 4.3-STABLE but handbook still mention it Chapter 7.4 'The Configuration File' >How-To-Repeat: See http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/kernelconfig-config.html >Fix: N/A >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 8:23:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0650737B424; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:23:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from jim@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3PFNT696394; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:23:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jim) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 08:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104251523.f3PFNT696394@freefall.freebsd.org> To: m_ilya@agava.com, jim@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26838: Handbook mention kernel option that doesn't exist Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: Handbook mention kernel option that doesn't exist State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: jim State-Changed-When: Wed Apr 25 08:23:10 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26838 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 9:47:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.rack05.pangea.ca (mail.rack05.pangea.ca [207.161.251.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6390A37B422 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:47:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnoman@pangea.ca) Received: (qmail 24594 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2001 16:47:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ) (64.4.88.224) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Apr 2001 16:47:24 -0000 From: R.Lockhart To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Installation Review Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 11:33:39 -0500 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.28] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01041511383300.12108@> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Installation of FreeBSD 4.1 2001/04/15 Richard Lockhart Winnipeg, MB gnoman@pangea.ca This is my experience/review of the installation. I hope it is useful. system: i586, 133Mh, 64MB system memory, mouse connected to serial port, CDROM drive, two IDE hard drives, the first 1.2 GB (master) devoted to OS/2 v.4, the second 6 GB (slave) intended for FreeBSD exclusively. Purpose: general - single user, wordprocessing, internet access, email Experience: sucessful installs of MSDOS (3.2, 6.1), Windows (3.1, 95), OS/2 (2.1, 4), Slackware 3.2, Redhat 5.1, SuSE 6.1, Caldera 2.4. Why I am converting to FreeBSD: Sick of installation problems (library conflicts/missing dependencies) under Linux. Principal suggestion: Simplify the Kernel Configuration and Partion Editor/Disklabel Editor screens. Other suggestions: 1. Make the manual included with the distribution a loose-leaf package with a suitably-sized and decorated three-ring binder. The "book" would be a set of three-holed pages in shrink-wrap. The user could put the pages in the binder himself. Updates and errata corrections become much easier and simpler. The package need not be opened, just ship a seperate envelope containing the changes/corrections with the package. 2. For new users, the strategy of doing a express-minimal practice installation while taking detailed side notes might help. It did for me. After all, you only have to get it right the last time. 3. Put more information on the screen with the selection screens. Put a helpful (short but not terse) explanation on the screen and an expanded version in the Help. 4. Let the user know when he's finished. Circling back to the first screen is not obvious. Giving the option of restarting is good, but that could be an option on a "You're almost finished" screen. 5. Include an installation stream optimized for installation on two hard drives. Or, more generally, have a prequalify section where the installer states the general condition of the machine into which he is installing. The installation could then be optimized for some common sets. Generally, this was the most confusing install I have encountered yet. (Slackware 3.2 I got on the second try.) My first attempt was a complete blowout, I quit partway through the fdisk program, completely baffled. Two days later I tried again. Although seemingly successful, I was unable to boot the system. I found little information in The Complete FreeBSD for installing on two hard drives. Information listed on p. 101 of The Complete FreeBSD for correcting boot failure proved incomplete. I was unable to correctly decipher the usage chart that results from entering "disklabel -B". To this date, I cannot seem to get disklabel to read the first disk (formatted HPFS on drives C: and D:, FAT on drive E:). disklabel ad1 returns a truckload of information about my second drive but disklabel ad0 (or ad0s1 or ad0s0, etc) returns disklabel: ioctl DIOCGDINFO: Invalid arguement. disklabel -B ad0 should have fixed it in the first place but I got tangled up with the option switches. IMHO the installation is easy but only after the first two portions have been finished. Dumping a new user into kernel configuration and a detailed fdisk (in two parts, and one that refers to partitions as "slices" and "partitions" and "disklabels") is going to lose a lot of new users. I restarted the next day with the strategy of doing only a minimal installation while writing detailed side notes of every step. An express install with minimal installation is sufficiently light on time to repeat. After the second minimum install I felt I had it down and went through it with a standard install and extensive package selection. It is currently what I am using while writing this. I am convinced that detailed step-by-step explanations are required, far from what is in the Handbook. My principal complaint about the online installation help (as well as in The Complete FreeBSD) is the tendency to skip between subjects. This makes the explanation complete but both much longer and much more difficult to comprehend than a shorter version. I do not wish to be too critical, writing only what is required, but not less, is a fine art. The Kernel Configuration Menu (KCM) contains a lot of fields, how many of them are really necessary? Simplify this screen at lot. The notion of "conflicts" that are actually only potential "conflicts" is confusing. The idea of moving the unneeded devices to an "inactive" list is still not clear to me. Why did I see lists of devices that are not on my machine? The only "conflicts" listed were 8 varieties of lan boards. Since I have no lan connection, I deleted them all. I noticed just before I "inactivated" the final lan board, a "conflict" flag still showed. If it was the only one left, what was it conflicting with? (Minor point, but anything that contributes to confusion also contributes to the Anxiety Level.) I also removed the active listing for SCSI drivers and the PS/2 mouse port, since these are not present on my antique. Even if I had needed to modify some settings, I wouldn't have known what to put in. Addresses, interupts, DMA's and whatever else are for hackers, not the likes of me. Main Install Menu (MIM) - I picked Express here for my trial installs, Standard for the "real" one. Select Drives Menu (SDM) - shows: [ ] ad0 ad0 [ ] ad1 ad1 why the repetition? spacebar selects ad0: Fdisk Partition Editor (FPE) (shouldn't it be Fdisk Slice Editor?). This is part one of a two part fdisk program. I have flailed my way through DOS, OS/2 and Linux variations of fdisk and they were all confusing. This one added a new twist with the two part strategy. Although I finally understood it, it had me stumped at first. Entries shown here were ad0s1 and ad0s2, the primary and logical partitions of the master drive. At first I thought it was showing both drives. And what are the two extras, unassigned at top and bottom? More confusion. What's an offset? Do I really need to be concerned with it? And if I were what could I do about it here? Again, it would be much better to simplify this screen to only what is absolutely necessary. The psychology of trying to take in information that I cannot understand put me into Anxiety Level Overpeak (ALO) here during the first (aborted) installation attempt. Correct is simply q to quit without changes (this is my OS/2 installation not a partition, no touch!). The Help screen says I am expected to leave this screen with at least one slice marked "FreeBSD", which is wrong. I am installing on two hard drives, the first of which will never show FreeBSD. Help screen, p. 2 - "i.e. the information in the FDISK table should be kept valid." What on earth does that mean? Install Boot Manager for drive ad0? Yes. [*] Back to SDM, arrow down to ad1, spacebar. FPE again. Correct is A, use entire disk, delete and change entries until I have what I think will work, though for the dry runs auto-partition would be good enough. Is this not a dedicated disk? Should it be marked bootable? Reserving a portion for a MBR is irrelevant, here. User Confirmation Requested "(See also the section about "dangerously dedicated" disks in the FreeBSD FAQ.)" Now you tell me! (This would be a good place to include more onscreen information.) Select No. Yes will also work but I'll get an extra request to install the boot manager on the slave drive, which would be confusing (until I figure out that it's idiotic). q to finish. Back to SDM, now both drives show selected [*]. Is this right? In the end I understood that it was. Select Drives - "Please select the drive, or drives, on which you wish to perform this operation." And the exact operation that I am agreeing to perform would be...? I experienced an Anxiety Level Repeak here. (ALR) What exactly am I signing up for here? I sure didn't want to step on my OS/2 installation. The F1 key here is inoperative. I said a little prayer and picked OK. FreeBSD Disklabel Editor (FDE) (Partition Editor, shouldn't it be? I didn't see any label editing happening here.) At first I was confused because I did not understand that "initialized" was the same as "formated". Newfs? The Help here was rather long and did not seem (IMHO) as well organized as could be. Having been through several versions of fdisk in the past, I found this screen almost comfortable. But I am certain that users who lack experience would have no clue what they were doing and would likely experience ALO. During my second dry run install, I choose User Confirmation = Yes (retain compatability). I then was unable to set the final partition to the full value remaining, it showed 2002MB free but would only allow me to set it to 1980MB as the largest value. This was confusing but did not happen when I choose User Confirmation = No (dedicated use). I presume this has something to do with preserving space for other systems. final install sizes: / 70MB /swap 160MB /var 200MB /usr 3760MB /home 1997MB q to finish. Choose Distributions, Install from CDROM. Make file systems, extract into /bin. A different User Confirmation Requested - "Visit the general configuration menu for a chance to set any last options." Good idea, set the printer, whatever else was not set correctly yet. X Exit returns one to the MIM. Huh? Seems like I'm not making any progress here. Am I supposed to start all over again? Dumb question maybe, but it was not obvious at first that I was supposed to exit the Install program. One last User Confirmaton Request, pull the floppy and reboot! Boot prompt now shows: F2 = Windows NT (not, but it does boot to OS/2) F5 = drive 1 (boots to FreeBSD) default F1 (I don't think so, pressing F1 does nothing at all.) I am now in possession of a spanking new FreeBSD system and still have my fallback OS/2 in a healthy state. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 9:58:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327FB37B422; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:58:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA15146; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3PGwe220619; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:58:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Makoto MATSUSHITA Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Comments: In-reply-to Makoto MATSUSHITA message dated "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:18:05 +0900." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1459816096P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:58:40 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1459816096P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [Please keep me as one of the explicit recipients of this email. Thanks.] If memory serves me right, Makoto MATSUSHITA wrote: > takhus> Perhaps the *.TXT files could be periodically regenerated to their > takhus> current location to 1) avoid a POLA violation and 2) allow for at > takhus> least some RELNOTES without needing DocBook and doc/ (even if they > takhus> may be slightly out of date). [snip] > It is true that current.freebsd.org and much of do-it-yourself > distributions are generated with 'NODOC=YES', since it needs much time > and disk spaces to process doc.1 target (especially setting up a > DocBook environment). My first reaction is, "is doing doc.1 *that* much of a problem"? When I was testing, it didn't seem like building this consumed much time or disk space compared to the rest of the make release process (i.e. building world and several kernels). A checked-out doc/ is 37 MB. > Removing *.TXT files also makes some difficulties when ordinally "make > buildworld/installworld" users want to know what changes are made > (they should change their CVSup configulation file, checkout doc if > the repository is CVSuped, install DocBook via ports, and run make(1) > to get a plaintext of release notes). I think the only recurring cost that people are going to have to do is to keep a reasonably current copy of doc/. Building the docproj port is a one-time operation. After that, it takes about 15 seconds of wallclock time on my workstation to build the TXT version of the release notes (note that you'll get the SGML sources automatically under src/ release/doc). > Just like current 'doc' distribution of 'NODOC=YES', it would be helpful > that *.TXT files are in src/release. Umm, no, it's not just like the current doc distribution. If you build a release with NODOC=YES, you don't get any rendition of the FAQ, Handbook, etc. There's no *.TXT files to fall back on. Here's my thoughts...for the record, I'm weakly opposed to regen-ing *.TXT versions: First, I don't want to bloat the repository with oodles of builds to the *.TXT files. If we do this, it ought to be be fairly infrequently, like maybe once or twice a month. Second, regen-ing needs to be done automatically. I'm not going to do it by hand. Third, let's assume that there's some interest in actually having different localized versions of the release notes (note that the infrastructure supports it). What language do we build for the *.TXT fallback files? Finally, there needs to be some boilerplate text on the fallback files to indicate the generation date of the fallback versions, and a pseudo-disclaimer that they may be out of date with respect to the actual state of the code. If we get the automatic generation problem solved, this one should be easy. Like I said, I'm weakly opposed to doing this, but I'm also quite willing to be swayed. Cheers, Bruce. --==_Exmh_1459816096P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE65wJA2MoxcVugUsMRAhq2AKDi4BOKGHLkqeNjnZJ9xM3iA9k6RACdEFKO xrnkdpMc7BoRKB/S6gp5wz8= =6lQv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1459816096P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 11:15:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B088A37B42C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:15:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA04572; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:15:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3PIFKx56080; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:15:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104251815.f3PIFKx56080@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, dd@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rel.current entity for www/en a la Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010425104400.A81151@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010425080356.D33653E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010425104400.A81151@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:44:00 +0100." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1739813856P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:15:20 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1739813856P Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_17349746090" This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_17349746090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:03:56AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > In order to simplify trasitioning from one release to another, I think > > the web site could use an entity similar to &rel.current; that the > > Handbook uses. From looking at includes.sgml it looks like something > > like this has been attempted (see a.latest.ann and a.latest.not > > entities), but died off (the aforementioned entities still point to > > 3.4!). Just for kicks, here's what RELNOTESng uses (see attachment), modulo things like a $FreeBSD$ tag and some whitespace fixes. > I think we should standardise these across the doc/ and www/ trees. That sounds pretty reasonable. One thought I have is that RELNOTESng, which will live in src/, may need to be kept separate because it's branched (in the CVS sense) and doc/ and www/ are not. So I'd like to either use differently-named entities or else have the ability to avoid including the file that defines the release-related entities but still include some others (such as the committers, manpages, etc.). Does this sound workable, or is there something I'm missing? Thanks, Bruce. --==_Exmh_17349746090 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="release.ent"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: release.ent --==_Exmh_17349746090-- --==_Exmh_1739813856P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE65xQ42MoxcVugUsMRAiSMAKDfaR/Pu62fnu3w4FnBQM2Cw9DwuwCcDEat YyiZ4Kt6M25ZOkZYCj3/UVU= =b4jJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1739813856P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 11:18:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED26237B423; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:18:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14sTre-00005l-00; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:18:10 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f3PIM4901351; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:22:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:22:04 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Makoto MATSUSHITA , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Message-ID: <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:58:40AM -0700 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:58:40AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > [Please keep me as one of the explicit recipients of this email. > > Removing *.TXT files also makes some difficulties when ordinally "make > > buildworld/installworld" users want to know what changes are made > > (they should change their CVSup configulation file, checkout doc if > > the repository is CVSuped, install DocBook via ports, and run make(1) > > to get a plaintext of release notes). > > I think the only recurring cost that people are going to have to do is > to keep a reasonably current copy of doc/. Building the docproj port is Reasonably current effectively means "not current" . Aka out of date. > Umm, no, it's not just like the current doc distribution. If you build > a release with NODOC=YES, you don't get any rendition of the FAQ, > Handbook, etc. There's no *.TXT files to fall back on. > > Here's my thoughts...for the record, I'm weakly opposed to regen-ing > *.TXT versions: First, I don't want to bloat the repository with oodles > of builds to the *.TXT files. If we do this, it ought to be be fairly > infrequently, like maybe once or twice a month. Bad idea.. RELNOTES, HARDWARE etc are things that should be up to date. Not 'a bit uptodate' or 'slightly outdated'. I really would not like to see the idea being bloated by going this route. If people think getting the Docbook infrastructure in place is too much work/time they should accustom themselves to reading the raw Docboot source files. > Like I said, I'm weakly opposed to doing this, but I'm also quite > willing to be swayed. Please don't be swayed.. ;) W/ -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Powered by FreeBSD/alpha http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 12:41:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.internet.dk (ns.internet.dk [194.19.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC1F37B423 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:41:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f3PJfDw39950 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG.AVP; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:41:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with UUCP id f3PJfCj39936; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:41:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.5.100] (may be forged)) by arnold.neland.dk (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3PJeod50352; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:41:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> From: "Leif Neland" Cc: , References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:42:07 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by ns.internet.dk id f3PJfCj39936 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > > > Here's my thoughts...for the record, I'm weakly opposed to regen-ing > > *.TXT versions: First, I don't want to bloat the repository with oodles > > of builds to the *.TXT files. If we do this, it ought to be be fairly > > infrequently, like maybe once or twice a month. > > Bad idea.. > > RELNOTES, HARDWARE etc are things that should be up to date. Not > 'a bit uptodate' or 'slightly outdated'. > > I really would not like to see the idea being bloated by going this route. > As UPDATING may contain information nessecary to run make world, it can't be built by make world. Chicken and egg, methinks... Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 12:48: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imr1.ericy.com (imr1.ericy.com [208.237.135.240]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7CF537B422; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:47:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Antoine.Beaupre@ericsson.ca) Received: from mr6.exu.ericsson.se. (mr6u3.ericy.com [208.237.135.123]) by imr1.ericy.com (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id f3PJlrB22590; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:47:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from noah.lmc.ericsson.se (noah.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.1.1]) by mr6.exu.ericsson.se. (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3PJloc26678; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:47:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se (lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.16.175]) by noah.lmc.ericsson.se (8.11.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id f3PJlnp21074; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lmc35.lmc.ericsson.se with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:47:48 -0400 Received: from lmc.ericsson.se (lmcpc100455.pc.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.23.150]) by LMC37.lmc.ericsson.se with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQDZJFH4; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:47:44 -0400 From: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:47:38 -0400 Organization: LMC, Ericsson Research Canada X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey whatever. Let's just keep a rendered TXT version where it always (ie. in the src/release... cvs) was but keep the originial as a sgml version in the doc tree. Just like ports/INDEX. Only better. I think it is important to solve the duplication problem we have. It would be very sad to see a release go out with a wrong X.X-RELEASE header in the README.TXT file, has it almost happened, if I'm not mistaken. :) A. Leif Neland wrote: > > > > > > > Here's my thoughts...for the record, I'm weakly opposed to regen-ing > > > *.TXT versions: First, I don't want to bloat the repository with oodles > > > of builds to the *.TXT files. If we do this, it ought to be be fairly > > > infrequently, like maybe once or twice a month. > > > > Bad idea.. > > > > RELNOTES, HARDWARE etc are things that should be up to date. Not > > 'a bit uptodate' or 'slightly outdated'. > > > > I really would not like to see the idea being bloated by going this route. > > > As UPDATING may contain information nessecary to run make world, it can't be built by make world. > Chicken and egg, methinks... > > Leif > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- La sémantique est la gravité de l'abstraction. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 12:48:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0E837B446; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14sVGf-0005Pa-00; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:48:05 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f3PJq7O00943; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:52:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:52:07 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Leif Neland Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Message-ID: <20010425215207.A929@freebie.demon.nl> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk>; from leifn@neland.dk on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:42:07PM +0200 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:42:07PM +0200, Leif Neland wrote: > > > > > > Here's my thoughts...for the record, I'm weakly opposed to regen-ing > > > *.TXT versions: First, I don't want to bloat the repository with oodles > > > of builds to the *.TXT files. If we do this, it ought to be be fairly > > > infrequently, like maybe once or twice a month. > > > > Bad idea.. > > > > RELNOTES, HARDWARE etc are things that should be up to date. Not > > 'a bit uptodate' or 'slightly outdated'. > > > > I really would not like to see the idea being bloated by going this route. > > > As UPDATING may contain information nessecary to run make world, it can't be built by make world. > Chicken and egg, methinks... Possibly. But I was not refering to UPDATING. -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Powered by FreeBSD/alpha http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 13:22:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from unix.megared.net.mx (megamail.megared.com.mx [200.52.207.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EA537B422 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:22:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sistemas@omercante.com.mx) Received: from direccion ([10.19.17.158]) by unix.megared.net.mx (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3PJGMi38853 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:16:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from sistemas@omercante.com.mx) Message-ID: <000a01c0cdbc$f7e80e60$b8f4a8c0@direccion> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Juan_S._S=E1nchez_Vald=E9s?=" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:21:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0CD93.0EAD5120" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0CD93.0EAD5120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0CD93.0EAD5120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C0CD93.0EAD5120-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 13:28:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C183937B424; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:28:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f3PKS4L01187; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:28:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3PKRrV35584; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:27:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104252027.f3PKRrV35584@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010425215207.A929@freebie.demon.nl> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> <20010425215207.A929@freebie.demon.nl> Comments: In-reply-to Wilko Bulte message dated "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:52:07 +0200." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_2118971537P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:27:53 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_2118971537P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:42:07PM +0200, Leif Neland wrote: > > As UPDATING may contain information nessecary to run make world, it can't b > e built by make world. > > Chicken and egg, methinks... > > Possibly. But I was not refering to UPDATING. Just to clarify, RELNOTESng will not have any effect whatsoever on the way that /usr/src/UPDATING is maintained. Bruce. --==_Exmh_2118971537P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE65zNJ2MoxcVugUsMRAi1MAKDzOxGaB1I4PsLxxYfU8laP8U+o1QCgjVvs LbTFL7EUlqXCP4X/aCh38k8= =ebTT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_2118971537P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 13:53:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from ns.internet.dk (ns.internet.dk [194.19.140.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E213337B423 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 13:53:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f3PKrE694862 for freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG.AVP; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:53:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ns.internet.dk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with UUCP id f3PKrEe94848; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:53:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Received: from gina (gina.neland.dk [192.168.5.100] (may be forged)) by arnold.neland.dk (8.11.3/8.11.0) with SMTP id f3PKr1d51277; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:53:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from leifn@neland.dk) Message-ID: <04bd01c0cdc9$e657acc0$6405a8c0@neland.dk> From: "Leif Neland" Cc: , References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> <20010425215207.A929@freebie.demon.nl> Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:54:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by ns.internet.dk id f3PKrEe94848 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:42:07PM +0200, Leif Neland wrote: > > > > > > > > Here's my thoughts...for the record, I'm weakly opposed to regen-ing > > > > *.TXT versions: First, I don't want to bloat the repository with oodles > > > > of builds to the *.TXT files. If we do this, it ought to be be fairly > > > > infrequently, like maybe once or twice a month. > > > > > > Bad idea.. > > > > > > RELNOTES, HARDWARE etc are things that should be up to date. Not > > > 'a bit uptodate' or 'slightly outdated'. > > > > > > I really would not like to see the idea being bloated by going this route. > > > > > As UPDATING may contain information nessecary to run make world, it can't be built by make world. > > Chicken and egg, methinks... > > Possibly. But I was not refering to UPDATING. > Sorry. My parser just made a mistake by expanding "etc" in "RELNOTES, HARDWARE etc" Leif To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 14:16:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1031637B423; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:16:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id XAA29948; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:16:12 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id XAA02216; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:12:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:12:24 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Cc: hubs@FreeBSD.ORG, doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mirrors confused by "redirect" directives on www.freebsd.org Message-ID: <20010425231224.A2149@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Reply-To: "Jose M. Alcaide" , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <3AE61603.2060837C@we.lc.ehu.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3AE61603.2060837C@we.lc.ehu.es>; from jose@we.lc.ehu.es on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 02:10:43AM +0200 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [moved to freebsd-doc] Hi Jose, the redirects on www.freebsd.org are optional. Every link on a FreeBSD web site should work. You don't need to setup redirects or aliases in your httpd server configuration. If you get a "page not found" error, then you found a bug in the FreeBSD documentation, and the bug should be fixed ASAP. -Wolfram On 2001-04-25 02:10:43 +0200, Jose M. Alcaide wrote: > I have just found that there are pages of the handbook which are > not found on the WWW mirrors. For example, if you go to > > http://www.uk.freebsd.org/handbook/kernelconfig.html > > and click on "Why build a custom kernel?", which is linked to > > http://www.uk.freebsd.org/handbook/x2621.html > > you'll get a "not found" error. Try other mirrors and you will see > the same problem. However, this works on www.freebsd.org because > its Apache configuration uses "Redirect" directives such as > this: > > Redirect permanent /handbook http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook > > and [I don't know why] x2621.html does exist in the directory > redirected to, but it does not exist in /handbook. Obviously, this > setup of www.freebsd.org confuses the mirrors, which are then obligated > to use the same "redirect" directives in order to work properly. > > I think that there are only two solutions for this problem: > > 1. Reorganize www.freebsd.org in order to make the "redirect" > directives unnecesary. > 2. State clearly in http://www3.es.freebsd.org/internal/mirror.html > what "redirect" directives are needed. > > Cheers, > -- JMA > ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** > ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 15:14:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4A037B42C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:14:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id AAA00774 for doc@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:14:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id XAA02554 for doc@freebsd.org; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:59:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:59:27 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: doc@freebsd.org Subject: [Todd.Miller@courtesan.com: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists] Message-ID: <20010425235927.A2523@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FYI - OpenBSD.org filtering now MIME mails. The FreeBSD mail archive has the same problems with MIME mails. If you want that all people can read and find your mails, don't use MIME (and PGP signed MIME mails). Plain text rules, -Wolfram ----- Forwarded message from "Todd C. Miller" ----- To: announce@openbsd.org Subject: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:10:00 -0600 From: "Todd C. Miller" We are now using the demime program (http://scifi.squawk.com/demime.html) to convert MIME messages sent to the mailing lists into plain text. Things that cannot be converted (e.g. attachments) will be stripped. See the demime web site for the gory details. I know this may perturb some people but it seems to be in line with what most people want (and it makes mailing list archives more readable). It also protects the lists from viruses list the one recently posted on the misc list. If you must send binaries, there is always uuencode though we would *much* prefer that folks include a URL so as not to burden everyone on the list with a binary they probably don't want or need. The following OpenBSD mailing lists are now being de-MIMEd: ipv6, elf, mac68k, misc, ppc, romp, smp, tech, www, sparc, vax, x11, advocacy, hppa, alpha - todd ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 15:14:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (baerenklau.de.freebsd.org [195.185.195.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F120537B422 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:14:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by baerenklau.de.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with UUCP id AAA00777; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:14:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by paula.panke.de.freebsd.org (8.9.3/8.8.8) id AAA02655; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:10:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wosch) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:10:49 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: Brian Candler Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Sequencing of messages in mailing list archives Message-ID: <20010426001049.A2628@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> References: <20010422125802.A11835@linnet.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010422125802.A11835@linnet.org>; from B.Candler@pobox.com on Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:58:02PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Brian, thanks for your bug report. I will fix it when I have free time. -Wolfram On 2001-04-22 12:58:02 +0100, Brian Candler wrote: > When you try to read a mailing list archive in 'subject' order, the messages > appear to be in an arbitrary order in the index (most noticeably, the first > posting in the thread is often in the middle). For example see: > http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/mailindex.cgi?sort=subject&file=archive/2001/freebsd-stable/20010422.freebsd-stable > > and have a look at the thread "Found a typo...". It does not seem to be > sorting either in date order, or by following message threads. I have tried > manually unpicking this thread, and here's what you get, showing the > messages in the same order as the list archive: > > (1)Re: Found a typo... Tue, 17 Apr 2001 01:50:40 +0200 (Mon 2350Z) > In-Reply-To: (4) > References: (2), (4) > > (2) Re: Found a typo... Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:15:01 +0200 (Mon 2115Z) > In-Reply-To: (3) > > (3) Found a typo... Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:37:56 -0500 (Mon 1637Z) > > (4) Re: Found a typo... Mon, 16 Apr 2001 16:10:03 -0700 (Mon 2310Z) > In-Reply-To: (2) > > (5) Re: Found a typo... Tue, 17 Apr 2001 11:34:43 +0200 (Tue 0935Z) > In-Reply-To: (4) > References: (2), (4) > > (6) Re: Found a typo... Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:12:02 +0200 (Thu 2212Z) > In-Reply-To: (7) > References: (5), (7) > > (7) Re: Found a typo... Thu, 19 Apr 2001 05:45:51 -0700 (Thu 1245Z) > In-Reply-To: (5) > > The natural order by In-Reply-To: should be 3 2 4 1 5 7 6 > (or 5 1 instead of 1 5, but date disambiguates) > > Sorting by date also gives the same order. > > This makes it very tricky to follow a thread using the index... so it would > be nice if this could be fixed. > > Thanks, > > Brian. -- Wolfram Schneider http://wolfram.schneider.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 16: 6:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC6437B424; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:06:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3PN6C828011; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:06:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200104252306.f3PN6C828011@harmony.village.org> To: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Cc: Leif Neland , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 15:47:38 EDT." <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> References: <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:06:12 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" writes: : Hey whatever. Let's just keep a rendered TXT version where it always : (ie. in the src/release... cvs) was but keep the originial as a sgml : version in the doc tree. UPDATING will continue to be a flat file, or I will no longer maintain it. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 16: 7:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B68537B424; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:07:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Received: from harmony.village.org (localhost.village.org [127.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3PN7C828058; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:07:12 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@harmony.village.org) Message-Id: <200104252307.f3PN7C828058@harmony.village.org> Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Cc: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" , Leif Neland , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:06:12 MDT." <200104252306.f3PN6C828011@harmony.village.org> References: <200104252306.f3PN6C828011@harmony.village.org> <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:07:12 -0600 From: Warner Losh Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message <200104252306.f3PN6C828011@harmony.village.org> Warner Losh writes: : In message <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" writes: : : Hey whatever. Let's just keep a rendered TXT version where it always : : (ie. in the src/release... cvs) was but keep the originial as a sgml : : version in the doc tree. : : UPDATING will continue to be a flat file, or I will no longer maintain : it. I should also add "but I don't think this proposal applies to UPDATING" to the end of that. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 17:45:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B067537B42C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:45:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD9F3E2A; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:45:44 -0700 (PDT) To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rel.current entity for www/en a la Handbook In-Reply-To: <200104251815.f3PIFKx56080@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:15:20 -0700" Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:45:44 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010426004544.EAD9F3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Bruce A. Mah" writes: > If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:03:56AM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > > In order to simplify trasitioning from one release to another, I think > > > the web site could use an entity similar to &rel.current; that the > > > Handbook uses. From looking at includes.sgml it looks like something > > > like this has been attempted (see a.latest.ann and a.latest.not > > > entities), but died off (the aforementioned entities still point to > > > 3.4!). > > Just for kicks, here's what RELNOTESng uses (see attachment), modulo > things like a $FreeBSD$ tag and some whitespace fixes. > > > I think we should standardise these across the doc/ and www/ trees. > > That sounds pretty reasonable. > > One thought I have is that RELNOTESng, which will live in src/, may need > to be kept separate because it's branched (in the CVS sense) and doc/ > and www/ are not. So I'd like to either use differently-named entities > or else have the ability to avoid including the file that defines the > release-related entities but still include some others (such as the > committers, manpages, etc.). How are you including the committers and manpages entities right now? Ideally, we would have something.ent which both relnotes and doc/ stuff would include; it'd contain things like rel.current, os, etc. This is a problem, however, because doc/ may not be accessable when relnotes are compiled. If the latter isn't true (i.e., the existence of doc/ is guaranteed), then having a generic entities file for this stuff would be nice. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 17:48: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0613E37B424 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:48:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DD13E2A; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:48:07 -0700 (PDT) To: Wolfram Schneider Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Todd.Miller@courtesan.com: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists] In-Reply-To: <20010425235927.A2523@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org>; from wosch@panke.de.freebsd.org on "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:59:27 +0200" Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:48:07 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010426004807.B2DD13E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wolfram Schneider writes: > FYI - OpenBSD.org filtering now MIME mails. > > The FreeBSD mail archive has the same problems with MIME mails. > If you want that all people can read and find your mails, > don't use MIME (and PGP signed MIME mails). > > Plain text rules, I concur. I'm pretty sure that some people will scream if we try to do this, however. The most common attachment is a PGP signature, and I think some people find those useful. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 17:50: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C2BE37B43C for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3Q0o1e95194; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:50:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from overlord.e-gerbil.net (e-gerbil.net [207.91.110.247]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F103B37B422 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:44:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ras@e-gerbil.net) Received: by overlord.e-gerbil.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DF17AE4A35; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <20010426004440.DF17AE4A35@overlord.e-gerbil.net> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:44:40 -0400 (EDT) From: ras@e-gerbil.net Reply-To: ras@e-gerbil.net To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/26861: Mistake in accept(2) manpage Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26861 >Category: docs >Synopsis: accept(2) manpage documents non-existant feature >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Apr 25 17:50:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Richard A Steenbergen >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE i386 >Organization: iVMG, Inc. >Environment: >Description: The accept(2) manpage says: One can obtain user connection request data without confirming the con- nection by issuing a recvmsg(2) call with an msg_iovlen of 0 and a non- zero msg_controllen, or by issuing a getsockopt(2) request. Similarly, one can provide user connection rejection information by issuing a sendmsg(2) call providing only the control information, or by calling setsockopt(2). But this is not possible. There is no such code in recvmsg/sendmsg, and no such sockopt. This would be a nice feature, but the handshake on a stream socket should be completed already by the time an accept() call is made... >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: Nuke the offending paragraph... :P >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 17:53:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D77DF37B424; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:53:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838AA3E2A; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:53:49 -0700 (PDT) To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Makoto MATSUSHITA , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 09:58:40 -0700" Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:53:49 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010426005349.838AA3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Bruce A. Mah" writes: > If memory serves me right, Makoto MATSUSHITA wrote: > > > takhus> Perhaps the *.TXT files could be periodically regenerated to their > > takhus> current location to 1) avoid a POLA violation and 2) allow for at > > takhus> least some RELNOTES without needing DocBook and doc/ (even if they > > takhus> may be slightly out of date). > > [snip] > > Umm, no, it's not just like the current doc distribution. If you build > a release with NODOC=YES, you don't get any rendition of the FAQ, > Handbook, etc. There's no *.TXT files to fall back on. > > Here's my thoughts...for the record, I'm weakly opposed to regen-ing > *.TXT versions: First, I don't want to bloat the repository with oodles > of builds to the *.TXT files. If we do this, it ought to be be fairly > infrequently, like maybe once or twice a month. > > [ snip other good reasons not to regen and commit TXT files ] I agree completely. On a slightly related note, do you object, or have plans to, build the release notes with the web site? It would solve this problem very nicely. I understand that relnotes will be in src/, so this would have to be an optional part of the build, but at least having them built on www.freebsd.org would suffice. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 18:14:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F359037B42C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:14:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28903; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3Q1EN730056; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:14:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104260114.f3Q1EN730056@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dima Dorfman Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Makoto MATSUSHITA , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010426005349.838AA3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010426005349.838AA3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Comments: In-reply-to Dima Dorfman message dated "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:53:49 -0700." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1053456670P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:14:23 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1053456670P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > On a slightly related note, do you object, or > have plans to, build the release notes with the web site? It would > solve this problem very nicely. Hi Dima-- No objections, but no plans right now either. Mostly because I don't know enough about the Web site build. Got any ideas? :-) I'm not sure if it will *solve* the problem, but at least it will allevitate it somewhat. And it's aesthetically more pleasing to me (if that counts for anything). Note that this is a fairly new capability...we currently don't have a link for -CURRENT or 4-STABLE release notes. There might be some issues with this although I can't think of any off-hand. > I understand that relnotes will be in > src/, so this would have to be an optional part of the build, but at > least having them built on www.freebsd.org would suffice. Yeah, it should be optional. The thing-that-generates-the-Web-pages would need the src/release/ module (somewhere in its filesystem, not necessarily in /usr/src/release), plus doc/. RELNOTESng doesn't need a complete src/. Bruce. --==_Exmh_1053456670P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE653Zv2MoxcVugUsMRArM6AJ4hho5YztmZJAPxl9xVYPzJMBsRugCcD9nG lGdABsdPQdDVw6zd39tw5Fw= =ttgv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1053456670P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 18:27: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2841237B423; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:27:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF66A3E2A; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:27:01 -0700 (PDT) To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Makoto MATSUSHITA , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <200104260114.f3Q1EN730056@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:14:23 -0700" Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:27:01 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010426012701.DF66A3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ dropping -current; I doubt most people care about the details ] bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) writes: > If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > > On a slightly related note, do you object, or > > have plans to, build the release notes with the web site? It would > > solve this problem very nicely. > > Hi Dima-- > > No objections, but no plans right now either. Mostly because I don't > know enough about the Web site build. Got any ideas? :-) If the release notes have a build procedure that resembles anything like that of any of the other docs (and I suspect this is the case), adding it would be trivial. Once you get it committed I'll see what I can do. > I'm not sure if it will *solve* the problem, but at least it will > allevitate it somewhat. And it's aesthetically more pleasing to me (if > that counts for anything). I think it should solve it. AIUI the complaint was that someone would now need the docproj port to see the release notes if they're tracking -stable. Someone tracking -stable probably has a good enough connection to view a web page. > Note that this is a fairly new capability...we currently don't have a > link for -CURRENT or 4-STABLE release notes. There might be some > issues with this although I can't think of any off-hand. At first we can add it as just another docuemnt (list it in docs.html). I doubt there are any problems with that. > > I understand that relnotes will be in > > src/, so this would have to be an optional part of the build, but at > > least having them built on www.freebsd.org would suffice. > > Yeah, it should be optional. The thing-that-generates-the-Web-pages > would need the src/release/ module (somewhere in its filesystem, not > necessarily in /usr/src/release), plus doc/. RELNOTESng doesn't need a > complete src/. Of course. If we're building the web site we have a doc/ (there's an option not to build docs, but assume we have it). I guess it would simply involve a way to set the path to src/release, and run make in that if it exists. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 18:30: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3151037B423 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3Q1U2O01575; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:30:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from guru.mired.org (okc-65-26-235-186.mmcable.com [65.26.235.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3EB1B37B422 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:24:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mwm@mired.org) Received: (qmail 84648 invoked by uid 100); 25 Apr 2001 22:37:22 -0000 Message-Id: <20010425223722.84647.qmail@guru.mired.org> Date: 25 Apr 2001 22:37:22 -0000 From: mwm@mired.org Reply-To: mwm@mired.org To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/26862: [PATCH] Winprinters are generating questions... Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26862 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [PATCH] Winprinters are generating questions... >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: medium >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: change-request >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Wed Apr 25 18:30:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Mike Meyer >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: Meyer consulting >Environment: System: FreeBSD guru.mired.org 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #12: Sun Apr 22 10:45:13 CDT 2001 mwm@guru.mired.org:/sharetmp/obj/usr/src/sys/GURU i386 >Description: People are having lots of trouble getting WinPrinters to work on FreeBSD, and asking about them frequently in -questions. >How-To-Repeat: Hang out in -questions for a while. >Fix: The following patch to the English FAQ explains about WinPrinters, and provides some information on how to recognize them. --- /tmp/book.sgml Wed Apr 25 17:20:06 2001 +++ book.sgml Wed Apr 25 17:36:53 2001 @@ -6002,6 +6002,16 @@ should cover most of your problem. See the Handbook entry on printing. + + Some printers require a host-based driver to do any + kind of printing. These so-called + WinPrinters do not currently work on + FreeBSD, and may never work. If your printer does not work + in DOS or Windows NT 4.0, it is a WinPrinter and won't + work in FreeBSD. The only exception would be if the + manufacturer has released the driver information and a + driver has been added to the ghostscript port. + >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 18:44:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from femail3.rdc1.on.home.com (femail3.rdc1.on.home.com [24.2.9.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C9637B423 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:44:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msoulier@storm.ca) Received: from tigger ([24.114.252.60]) by femail3.rdc1.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010426014401.NNTQ17635.femail3.rdc1.on.home.com@tigger> for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:44:01 -0700 Received: from msoulier by tigger with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 14sapW-0006Pk-00 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:44:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:44:26 -0400 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: documentation link Message-ID: <20010425214426.J19279@storm.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="WR+jf/RUebEcofwt" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Mailer: Mutt-1.2.5i (Debian/GNU Linux 2.2.18pre21 i686) From: "Michael P. Soulier" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --WR+jf/RUebEcofwt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello. I'm on the page http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/index.html and I'm looking for a copy of the docs in postscript format. The link to other formats is broken, and I can't seem to find postscript docs on the ftp site.=20 Any help would be appreciated, and you should probably fix that broken link.=20 Cheers, Mike --=20 Michael P. Soulier =20 "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessari= ly a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could= be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925 --WR+jf/RUebEcofwt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE65316KGqCc1vIvggRAocfAJ97QsosW48Pk93OwaCKUuLi7UvYqgCfafsx iRh1gYa4tKVgKvbkyeqBN+4= =Qdlp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --WR+jf/RUebEcofwt-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 18:49:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B6E937B422; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3Q1n9m03999; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:49:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:49:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104260149.f3Q1n9m03999@freefall.freebsd.org> To: mwm@mired.org, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: docs/26862: [PATCH] Winprinters are generating questions... Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] Winprinters are generating questions... State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Wed Apr 25 18:48:19 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Argh, WinPrinters. I wonder what kind of "features" Microsoft will come up with next.. (patch committed, thanks!) http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26862 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 19:10:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5537437B446 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:10:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2473E2C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:10:23 -0700 (PDT) To: "Michael P. Soulier" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: documentation link In-Reply-To: <20010425214426.J19279@storm.ca>; from msoulier@storm.ca on "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:44:26 -0400" Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:10:23 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010426021023.ED2473E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Michael P. Soulier" writes: > Hello. I'm on the page > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/index.html > > and I'm looking for a copy of the docs in postscript format. The link to > other formats is broken, and I can't seem to find postscript docs on the ftp > site. > > Any help would be appreciated, and you should probably fix that broken > link. Could you be more specific as to *which* link is broken? A URL would help. > > Cheers, > > Mike > > --=20 > Michael P. Soulier =20 > "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessari= > ly a > good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could= > be > dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925 > > --WR+jf/RUebEcofwt > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature > Content-Disposition: inline > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE65316KGqCc1vIvggRAocfAJ97QsosW48Pk93OwaCKUuLi7UvYqgCfafsx > iRh1gYa4tKVgKvbkyeqBN+4= > =Qdlp > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --WR+jf/RUebEcofwt-- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 19:20:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from updraft.jp.freebsd.org (updraft.jp.FreeBSD.ORG [210.157.158.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4338A37B422; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 19:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by updraft.jp.freebsd.org (8.11.3+3.4W/8.11.3) with ESMTP/inet id f3Q2Kc889263; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:20:39 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> References: <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Face: '*aj"d@ijeQ:/X}]oM5c5Uz{ZZZk90WPt>a^y4$cGQp8:!H\W=hSM;PuNiidkc]/%,;6VGu e+`&APmz|P;F~OL/QK%;P2vU>\j4X.8@i%j6[%DTs_3J,Fff0)*oHg$A.cDm&jc#pD24WK@{,"Ef!0 P\):.2}8jo-BiZ?X&t$V X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 XEmacs/21.5 (alfalfa) X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 44 From: Makoto MATSUSHITA To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:20:21 +0900 Message-Id: <20010426112021X.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sorry for late reply. bmah> My first reaction is, "is doing doc.1 *that* much of a problem"? When bmah> I was testing, it didn't seem like building this consumed much time or bmah> disk space compared to the rest of the make release process (i.e. bmah> building world and several kernels). A checked-out doc/ is 37 MB. It takes long to fetch all distfiles for docproj ports. Sometimes they are updated. Sometimes they can't fetch. Sometimes text/docproj can't build (we can't build textproc/jade _now_, since PATCHFILES are already outdated, its path is old, and ftp.freesoftware.com is still offline :-) speaking of textproc/jade, it's easy to fix and I've already have a patch but not yet tested). For ordinally make-build/installworld users, how many people understands that they should install textproc/docproj _only_ for making their plaintext relnotes? Most of them don't need SGML->whatever converter for other situations. If installing textproc/docproj is essential for getting all documents in src/, it should not be a port (src/contrib will be their friends); if it's not essential, a port is ok. And in my opinion, relnotes are tightly associated with src/ components just like src/UPDATING. Hmm... Maybe all of my concerns is that "getting relnotes (formatting is not a problem; plaintext will be easy, but I don't argue that the only version is PDF) without having some processing/compilation (installing some ports, type 'make' command, etc)." If generating relnotes are _optional_ (Makefiles don't _enforce_ us to install textproc/docproj for all machines which run "make buildworld" or "make release"), it's ok if somebody's generated version (format is not the matter; plaintext, HTML, PDF, anything) of relnotes are avaliable via ftp, web, or any protocols of the Internet at any time. -- - Makoto `MAR' MATSUSHITA P.S.: I'm totally agree with RENOTESng system. It'll help to improve the project and the quality of document itself. But please keep some rooms for lazy guys (like me) who refuses to change their style :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 20:36:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7E537B422; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:36:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f3Q3aqL06101; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3Q3al231164; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:36:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104260336.f3Q3al231164@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dima Dorfman Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rel.current entity for www/en a la Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010426004544.EAD9F3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010426004544.EAD9F3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Comments: In-reply-to Dima Dorfman message dated "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 17:45:44 -0700." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1717732030P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:36:47 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1717732030P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > How are you including the committers and manpages entities right now? > Ideally, we would have something.ent which both relnotes and doc/ > stuff would include; it'd contain things like rel.current, os, etc. > This is a problem, however, because doc/ may not be accessable when > relnotes are compiled. If the latter isn't true (i.e., the existence > of doc/ is guaranteed), then having a generic entities file for this > stuff would be nice. I need doc/ to build RENOTESng anyways, so availability is not a problem (as you deduced, I am getting the committer and manpage entries from there). Let me try expressing the problem again.... At this point in time, there is only one FAQ, one Handbook, and so on. So these documents have only a single notion of what &rel.current; should be (right now, it's 4.3-RELEASE). But in src/, on the other hand (where the release notes live), there's several states (bad term, sorry) that can be considered to be an "up-to-date" version of FreeBSD. One of them is 5.0-CURRENT-as-it-exists -right-now, another is 4.3-STABLE-as-it-exists-right-now, a third is 3.5.1-STABLE-as-it-exists-right-now, and so on. Ok. If I were to build release notes for 5.0-CURRENT (i.e. the HEAD CVS branch), I need &rel.current; to say "5.0-CURRENT". If I'm doing so for 4.3-STABLE (i.e. the RELENG_4 branch), I need &rel.current; to say (obviously) "4.3-STABLE". Either of these is a semantically valid "current release" at the current instant in time. But www/en/ includes.sgml can only take on one of these values. How's that? Bruce. --==_Exmh_1717732030P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE655fP2MoxcVugUsMRAo9lAKCvpW8mdhSIwvmmxDgmBKJOVctzYQCeKt/3 m0JkyrOpLuiO4QmejKR0y60= =8fFm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1717732030P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 20:50:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com [171.70.157.152]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD1337B50D; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:50:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-3.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA00794; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3Q3oBt31269; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:50:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104260350.f3Q3oBt31269@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dima Dorfman Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, Makoto MATSUSHITA , freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010426012701.DF66A3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010426012701.DF66A3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Comments: In-reply-to Dima Dorfman message dated "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 18:27:01 -0700." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1758501990P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:50:11 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1758501990P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > [ dropping -current; I doubt most people care about the details ] You're probably right about that. They all seemed pretty happy. > If the release notes have a build procedure that resembles anything > like that of any of the other docs (and I suspect this is the case), > adding it would be trivial. Once you get it committed I'll see what I > can do. I copied a lot from the structure of the DocProj build (and I use the DocProj *.mk files in /usr/doc). So this sounds pretty good. Bruce. --==_Exmh_1758501990P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE655rz2MoxcVugUsMRAlJFAKDk8w7BQew2Iy9qrhSay8pLGkjaTACg7psl lRZQ6pmUXrkh33yVwNjfLyI= =lRaX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1758501990P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 20:54:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [64.0.106.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529B837B422; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:54:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scanner@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA24158; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:54:25 -0400 (EDT) From: scanner@jurai.net To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: RFC for Vinum HOW-TO for the handbook Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org After many, many, MANY people asking for help on configuring Vinum, and not being able to understand the man page, I put together a small HOWTO on Vinum. I would like to eventually see it wind up in the handbook. But right now I'm just looking to get feedback on the content. Any thoughts appreciated. Many thanks! ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | FreeBSD Consultant, FreeBSD Geek Work: scanner@jurai.net | Open Systems Inc., Wellington, Kansas Home: scanner@deceptively.shady.org | http://open-systems.net ============================================================================= WINDOWS: "Where do you want to go today?" LINUX: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" ============================================================================= irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 20:55:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A8A37B424; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f3Q3tXL12444; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:55:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3Q3tXd31357; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:55:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104260355.f3Q3tXd31357@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Makoto MATSUSHITA Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010426112021X.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> References: <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010426112021X.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Comments: In-reply-to Makoto MATSUSHITA message dated "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:20:21 +0900." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1774104570P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:55:33 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1774104570P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [Following Dima's lead, I'm dropping -current.] > For ordinally make-build/installworld users, how many people > understands that they should install textproc/docproj _only_ for > making their plaintext relnotes? Most of them don't need SGML->whatever > converter for other situations. I think that Nik had this fantasy of putting the SGML toolchain in the base system. [snip] > If generating relnotes are _optional_ (Makefiles don't _enforce_ us to > install textproc/docproj for all machines which run "make buildworld" > or "make release"), it's ok if somebody's generated version (format is > not the matter; plaintext, HTML, PDF, anything) of relnotes are > avaliable via ftp, web, or any protocols of the Internet at any time. OK. It sounds like you and Dima are converging on the idea of having Web-accessible release notes. I'm more happy with this idea (it doesn't bloat the repository, and the Web site gets rebuilt twice a day anyways, so the RELNOTESng files should be pretty up-to-date). So maybe we'll try this. (Well, once I get RELNOTESng committed and things stabilize a bit.) Thanks! Bruce. --==_Exmh_1774104570P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE655w12MoxcVugUsMRAvmAAKDgkaP2esg9EaX3+nEljGhms+wOdwCeMup0 IUVPTC9hRvKKvVVKhQv33Oc= =ZZgq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1774104570P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 21: 3:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [64.0.106.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E403337B423; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:03:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scanner@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA24416; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:03:47 -0400 (EDT) From: To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-fs@freebsd.org Subject: BRAINO! RFC for Vinum HOW-TO for the handbook MkII Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This might help: http://www.jurai.net/~scanner/vinum-howto.html Sorry! ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | FreeBSD Consultant, FreeBSD Geek Work: scanner@jurai.net | Open Systems Inc., Wellington, Kansas Home: scanner@deceptively.shady.org | http://open-systems.net ============================================================================= WINDOWS: "Where do you want to go today?" LINUX: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" ============================================================================= irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 21: 9:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from updraft.jp.freebsd.org (updraft.jp.FreeBSD.ORG [210.157.158.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCE1D37B423; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:09:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by updraft.jp.freebsd.org (8.11.3+3.4W/8.11.3) with ESMTP/inet id f3Q49H891739; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:09:17 +0900 (JST) (envelope-from matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org) Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <200104260355.f3Q3tXd31357@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> References: <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010426112021X.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104260355.f3Q3tXd31357@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Face: '*aj"d@ijeQ:/X}]oM5c5Uz{ZZZk90WPt>a^y4$cGQp8:!H\W=hSM;PuNiidkc]/%,;6VGu e+`&APmz|P;F~OL/QK%;P2vU>\j4X.8@i%j6[%DTs_3J,Fff0)*oHg$A.cDm&jc#pD24WK@{,"Ef!0 P\):.2}8jo-BiZ?X&t$V X-User-Agent: Mew/1.94.2 XEmacs/21.5 (alfalfa) X-FaceAnim: (-O_O-)(O_O- )(_O- )(O- )(- -)( -O)( -O_)( -O_O)(-O_O-) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 18 From: Makoto MATSUSHITA To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:09:03 +0900 Message-Id: <20010426130903K.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bmah> I think that Nik had this fantasy of putting the SGML toolchain bmah> in the base system. It's so cooool. bmah> It sounds like you and Dima are converging on the idea of having bmah> Web-accessible release notes. If it becomes true, a problem that 'ERRATA.TXT on the web available at http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/X.XR/errata.html is sometimes outdated since somebody forgets to update it (even if src/release/texts/ERRATA.TXT was changed)' is also solved cleanly. What a fantastic idea! -- - Makoto `MAR' MATSUSHITA To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 21:25:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDA037B423; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:25:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 736893E2A; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:25:10 -0700 (PDT) To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rel.current entity for www/en a la Handbook In-Reply-To: <200104260336.f3Q3al231164@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 20:36:47 -0700" Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:25:10 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010426042510.736893E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) writes: > If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > > How are you including the committers and manpages entities right now? > > Ideally, we would have something.ent which both relnotes and doc/ > > stuff would include; it'd contain things like rel.current, os, etc. > > This is a problem, however, because doc/ may not be accessable when > > relnotes are compiled. If the latter isn't true (i.e., the existence > > of doc/ is guaranteed), then having a generic entities file for this > > stuff would be nice. > > I need doc/ to build RENOTESng anyways, so availability is not a problem > (as you deduced, I am getting the committer and manpage entries from > there). Let me try expressing the problem again.... > > At this point in time, there is only one FAQ, one Handbook, and so on. > So these documents have only a single notion of what &rel.current; > should be (right now, it's 4.3-RELEASE). > > [ relnotes are branched ] Doh! I still have a problem realizing that relnotes are branched. Sorry :-/ Anyway, this problem isn't that hard to get around. Basically, we would have a global.ent file that defines rel.current to "4.3". Regular docs (Handbook, FAQ, et al) will do: %global; which will give a rel.current value of 4.3. We would also have a relnotes-specific entities file, which will define rel.current to "4.3" or "5.0" depending on the branch. Relnotes will do: %relnotes.ents; %global; which will give a rel.current value of whatever is in relnotes-specific.ent (assuming it defines it; it will default to whatever is in global.ent). I checked this, and SGML seems to DTRT in this kind of situation. global.ent can also define other things in terms of rel.current, and it will still have the right value. global.ent can define things like rel.current, os, and some of the other goodies I saw in your example. It doesn't need to define things like release.type (or whatever the name was; value was "snapshot" or "release"), since the regular docs don't care. But these are details which can be worked out later. The problem as I see it is that we don't just have doc/ and src/release: we have www/, too, which also needs rel.current et al (this thread was originally about www/, actually). Having doc/ doesn't imply having www/, and having www/ doesn't imply having doc/. And I can't think of a way to solve this one without replicating rel.current in, say, doc/share/sgml/global.ent and www/en/includes.sgml. Ideas? (I know this isn't strictly related to relnotes.) Thanks, Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 21:28:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC38237B424 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:28:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6083E2C; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:28:35 -0700 (PDT) To: scanner@jurai.net Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC for Vinum HOW-TO for the handbook In-Reply-To: ; from scanner@jurai.net on "Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:54:25 -0400 (EDT)" Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:28:35 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010426042835.5C6083E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org scanner@jurai.net writes: > > After many, many, MANY people asking for help on configuring Vinum, and > not being able to understand the man page, I put together a small HOWTO on > Vinum. I would like to eventually see it wind up in the handbook. But > right now I'm just looking to get feedback on the content. Any thoughts > appreciated. Many thanks! Did you look at www.vinumvm.org? "An Introduction to Vinum" makes a pretty nice tutorial, IMO. That doesn't mean we can't use another, better, one, though. Did you forget to include something? Like a patch or URL? Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 21:34:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [64.0.106.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9865A37B422 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:34:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scanner@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA24891; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:34:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Dima Dorfman Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RFC for Vinum HOW-TO for the handbook In-Reply-To: <20010426042835.5C6083E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 25 Apr 2001, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Did you look at www.vinumvm.org? "An Introduction to Vinum" makes a > pretty nice tutorial, IMO. That doesn't mean we can't use another, Yeah, but it's not part of the handbook. That is one annoying feature of linux doc's you have to go searching all over the web for doc's. I like the fact we have a central handbook. I think the users do to. Besides the handbook need's a section on Vinum. > better, one, though. Did you forget to include something? Like a > patch or URL? Not sure this is better. But the new users really seem to be able to understand it, and wish they had it sooner. And yeah I pulled a braino on the URL and posted it 30 seconds after the first post went out. Sorry. http://www.jurai.net/~scanner/vinum-howto.html ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | FreeBSD Consultant, FreeBSD Geek Work: scanner@jurai.net | Open Systems Inc., Wellington, Kansas Home: scanner@deceptively.shady.org | http://open-systems.net ============================================================================= WINDOWS: "Where do you want to go today?" LINUX: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" ============================================================================= irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 21:44:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4819F37B422 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:44:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from localhost (arr@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3Q4ibW47710 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:44:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:44:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew R. Reiter" To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: uprintf.9 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-2046866505-988260276=:47696" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-2046866505-988260276=:47696 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi, I was going to write this alittle over a year ago, now, but I got lazy^H^H^H^Hsidetracked. I really think that this should be coupled along with a few other of the functions from src/sys/kern/subr_prf.c since they all are very closely related (besides the log() functions). Nevertheless, attached is the uprintf.9 man page.. I kind of just hacked it up, so complete modification is welcome :-) A copy can also be found at www.watson.org/~arr/fbsd-stuff/ Andrew *-------------................................................. | Andrew R. Reiter | arr@fledge.watson.org | "It requires a very unusual mind | to undertake the analysis of the obvious" -- A.N. 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From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_2082599260P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:58:54 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_2082599260P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) writes: > > [ relnotes are branched ] > > Doh! I still have a problem realizing that relnotes are branched. Sorry :-/ No worries. :-) > > %relnotes.ents; > %global; So any entities that get multiply defined take on the first definition? OK, that helps a lot. > global.ent can define things like rel.current, os, and some of the > other goodies I saw in your example. It doesn't need to define things > like release.type (or whatever the name was; value was "snapshot" or > "release"), since the regular docs don't care. But these are details > which can be worked out later. Right. So I don't have any real strong feelings about the names of the entities (one less bikeshed...). I'll be happy to follow your lead on this (just tell me where to look). As long as I get all the entities I need, it doesn't particularly matter what they are called (well, calling the version string &fred; might be kind of odd, but you get the idea). > The problem as I see it is that we don't just have doc/ and > src/release: we have www/, too, which also needs rel.current et al > (this thread was originally about www/, actually). Having doc/ > doesn't imply having www/, and having www/ doesn't imply having doc/. > And I can't think of a way to solve this one without replicating > rel.current in, say, doc/share/sgml/global.ent and > www/en/includes.sgml. Ideas? (I know this isn't strictly related to > relnotes.) Hmmmmm. No ideas right now. I was under the mistaken impression that building www/ required doc/ (told you I didn't know much about the www build). At least if the entities are all named the same, people editing the three different sets of files (doc/, www/, and src/release/doc/) won't get too confused. That's a win to me. Bruce. --==_Exmh_2082599260P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE656sO2MoxcVugUsMRAkIhAKDSxk8Z2wpYN3ycwIweW2qmARUIjQCgxtCT 1PTKKft0PMUk1UwlcoUOvco= =Pf4X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_2082599260P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Wed Apr 25 22: 7:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from mail.ruhr.de (in-ruhr4.ruhr.de [212.23.134.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D172837B424 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:07:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ue@nathan.ruhr.de) Received: (qmail 7384 invoked by uid 10); 26 Apr 2001 05:07:35 -0000 Received: (from ue@localhost) by nathan.ruhr.de (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f3Q594h94072; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:09:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ue) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:09:03 +0200 From: Udo Erdelhoff To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Dima Dorfman , Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rel.current entity for www/en a la Handbook Message-ID: <20010426070903.I84165@nathan.ruhr.de> Mail-Followup-To: "Bruce A. Mah" , Dima Dorfman , Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20010426004544.EAD9F3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <200104260336.f3Q3al231164@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3eH4Qcq5fItR5cpy" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200104260336.f3Q3al231164@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:36:47PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --3eH4Qcq5fItR5cpy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bruce, On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:36:47PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > At this point in time, there is only one FAQ, one Handbook, and so on. = =20 > So these documents have only a single notion of what &rel.current;=20 > should be (right now, it's 4.3-RELEASE). Yes and no. Several weeks or even months ago, Nik posted a set of patches to generate version-specific versions of the FAQ. He had similar issues there, a look into the patches (which I can't find right now) might yield an avenue of approach. Another idea is to use the model for the translations, especially the use and abuse of $LANGCODE. I've done some experiments with legalnotice.sgml in a checked-out copy of the German repository. This copy contains all the documents living in /usr/doc/de_DE.ISO_8859-1 and if I set LANGCODE to de_DE.ISO_8859-1, the makefileis will use the "official" version. If I wanted to use my copy of legalnotice.sgml I set LANGCODE to =2E./../home/ue/Sources/de-docproj and started make. Yes, I'm a pervert. The effect to changing LANGCODE is a change of the parameters for jade. If you generate the html version of an article, jade is called as: jade -c $DOCDIR/$LANGCODE/share/sgml/catalog . You should be able to use a similar mechanismn for the release notes. Slap all version-specific stuff into one sourcefile called defs.sgml. Create a set of directories, one per supported version of the release notes, add catalogs. And use an environment variable to switch directories at compile time, passing -c $RELNOTESROOT/$VERSION/catalog as the first -c argument to jade. > How's that? Just my $0.02. /s/Udo --=20 Ich bin root, ich darf das. --3eH4Qcq5fItR5cpy Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iQCVAwUBOuetb0Poh1XnT6hxAQEjTwQAm5YBdv1EH7Sn0lJuhY9Evcl1+kh7u9RM YiYA5QWqVY9iAnEJtOR2T423h76SR8ZbtvhOQrItXRVMdvdifc7P+SxJDEAzR3N+ O7A+8pl8qGnweQUnTqFGwHRCd+ZF0xzpF6H+XM+nqrtxXr9ZTapJpxX85GvIEsrV RKLImScxJE0= =cuGa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3eH4Qcq5fItR5cpy-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 2:58: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22CF837B422; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:57:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3Q9U4d18419; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:30:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:30:04 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Message-ID: <20010426103003.A52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:03:10AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 09:03:10AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > There's a snapshot of RELNOTESng for -CURRENT, updated irregularly, > at: >=20 > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ Like it. My main concern is that this is in the src/ tree. As other people have said this is going to complicate things for src/ folks who just want up to date release notes, and for doc/ people who might not track -stable or -current, but who want to work on the SGML side of things. Also, if we want to put these on the website then it means that anyone doing so will need to have checked out www/, doc/, and src/release/ trees. Could this come under doc/, and either have a CVS branch for RELENG_4 for just the release notes directory hierarchy, or I could start work on the osrel{min,max,in} attribute support code again. . . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrn6psACgkQk6gHZCw343V0nACfR1V7YyzGjBFbR+sYtAa9zEbL vNoAnR8umZYzMdEnRwC1ddYOko92W14Q =HHKq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VS++wcV0S1rZb1Fb-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 2:58:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54C637B424 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 02:58:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3Q9i4p34909; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:44:04 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:44:04 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Wolfram Schneider , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Todd.Miller@courtesan.com: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists] Message-ID: <20010426104404.B52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010425235927.A2523@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> <20010426004807.B2DD13E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010426004807.B2DD13E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:48:07PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:48:07PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > Wolfram Schneider writes: > > FYI - OpenBSD.org filtering now MIME mails. > >=20 > > The FreeBSD mail archive has the same problems with MIME mails. > > If you want that all people can read and find your mails,=20 > > don't use MIME (and PGP signed MIME mails). > > =20 > > Plain text rules, >=20 > I concur. I'm pretty sure that some people will scream if we try to > do this, however. =20 I'd probably be one of them. Specifically, 1. PGP. Not a huge deal, but anything that makes it easy to publicise your PGP key is, IMHO, a good thing. 2. People submitting patches as attachments. It's much easier to pull out 3 different attachments from a message if they're separate attachments than it is to have to cut-n-paste out of the message body. There might be an argument for filtering out .exe files, and similar. Of course, these are the same mailing lists that *don't* filter out "subscribe" requests, and we get far more of those than we do problem attachments. So I think it's really a non-problem at the moment. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrn7eQACgkQk6gHZCw343X+twCeJAqfRTNF+T76zkn0n0SCDeNa HYYAnR6ccSpy6HlBGgFIbkcVdcnrJ0CU =zu1n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LyciRD1jyfeSSjG0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 3:20:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C26E37B424 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 03:20:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QAGPV16243; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:16:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:16:25 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Michael P. Soulier" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: documentation link Message-ID: <20010426111624.C52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010425214426.J19279@storm.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010425214426.J19279@storm.ca>; from msoulier@storm.ca on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:44:26PM -0400 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:44:26PM -0400, Michael P. Soulier wrote: > Hello. I'm on the page >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO_8859-1/books/handbook/index.html >=20 > and I'm looking for a copy of the docs in postscript format. The link= to > other formats is broken, and I can't seem to find postscript docs on the = ftp > site.=20 The hoster for FreeBSD primary site is not currently working properly, so we've had to put some temporary hardware in place. Of course, this had to happen at the same time as 4.3 was released. This temporary hardware doesn't have the various documentation packages on it, which is why the pub/FreeBSD/doc/ directory doesn't exist at the moment. When the old server is back on line (I don't have an ETA for this I'm afraid). I've put a copy of all the English docs in Postscript at=20 http://people.freebsd.org/~nik/doc.ps/ N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrn9XcACgkQk6gHZCw343WLQACeNWk3nTC8TBuIQP6JrXL3ZasC oyEAn1WcOxn8Yx3BaRRx7zkEWBvJJMgv =Psvh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jy6Sn24JjFx/iggw-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 4:56:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E31337B423; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 04:56:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QAPnq43906; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:25:49 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:25:47 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Frederique Rijsdijk Cc: Nik Clayton , "Barrington, Mark" , "'freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org'" Subject: Re: ISO images to BOOTABLE cd's ? how to Message-ID: <20010426112544.D52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <2149A0BABC77D311AF890090274E00B203875462@salex005.dsto.defence.gov.au> <20010424105147.C66317@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010424125105.C85675@bofh.euronet.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="iVCmgExH7+hIHJ1A" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010424125105.C85675@bofh.euronet.nl>; from free@euro.net on Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 12:51:05PM +0200 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --iVCmgExH7+hIHJ1A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Apr 24, 2001 at 12:51:05PM +0200, Frederique Rijsdijk wrote: > I'm new to this list as of today, so shoot me if I'm not making sense. >=20 > Would it be usefull in this situation to even offer a small piece of > software (fireburner.exe, shareware, just 380KB) via the website to > burn the ISO's to CD-R?. =20 Possibly. Of course, anyone who's bought a CD-R or CD-RW should have received software to burn CDs with it anyway. > More or less the same way FreeBSD offers tools to write the boot images= =20 > to floppy. =20 Those tools are also freeware, and not shareware. . . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --iVCmgExH7+hIHJ1A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrn954ACgkQk6gHZCw343UYpgCffY7zkkbxZem/ku05L2U5Oq+c 10UAnAvJgUGjoG3VlPVNZ/ZcKQSSXXal =mtJ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --iVCmgExH7+hIHJ1A-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 6:30:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from malmo.trab.se (malmo.trab.se [131.115.48.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C405837B42C for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:30:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Anders.X.Thulin@telia.se) Received: from telia.se (dhcp200.malmo.trab.se [131.115.48.200]) by malmo.trab.se (8.10.1/TRAB-primary-2) with ESMTP id f3QDUeu13194 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:30:41 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <3AE82301.190387E4@telia.se> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:30:41 +0200 From: Anders Thulin Organization: Telia Prosoft AB, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Malm=F6?= (http://www.telia.se/prosoft) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Bad web contents on tutorial links page? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I just passed by the web page: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html and tried the link to the FreeBSD Porters Handbook. It leads to a page that claims to be the FreeBSD Russian documentation project -- which is not quite what I had in mind. Looks like there been some confusion of web stuff. best wishes, -- Anders Thulin Anders.X.Thulin@telia.se 040-661 50 63 Telia ProSoft AB, Carlsgatan 6, SE-201 20 Malmö, Sweden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 8:10: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from pop3-2.worldonline.es (pop3-2.worldonline.es [212.7.33.101]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B239437B422; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:09:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com) Received: from belial.tm.wolnet.worldonline.es (tm0.worldonline.es [212.7.34.10]) by pop3-2.worldonline.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE22D3563; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:08:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct (IDENT:jesus.rodriguez@wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct [10.34.0.209]) by belial.tm.wolnet.worldonline.es (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f3QF8AR49706; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:08:11 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:27:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Jesus Rodriguez X-Sender: jesus.rodriguez@wol209.tm.bcn.worldonline.ct To: scanner@jurai.net Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BRAINO! RFC for Vinum HOW-TO for the handbook MkII In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 scanner@jurai.net wrote: >=20 > This might help: http://www.jurai.net/~scanner/vinum-howto.html Sounds good to me... but Greg is the real expert :) Saludos JesusR. ------------------------------------- Jes=FAs Rodr=EDguez IP Engineering & Security Manager Tiscali / World Online jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com http://www.worldonline.es Tel. + (34) 93-3930800 ------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 9: 8:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E11137B424; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:08:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f3QG7DL13654; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3QG6oX37114; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:06:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104261606.f3QG6oX37114@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Udo Erdelhoff Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , Dima Dorfman , Nik Clayton , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: rel.current entity for www/en a la Handbook In-Reply-To: <20010426070903.I84165@nathan.ruhr.de> References: <20010426004544.EAD9F3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <200104260336.f3Q3al231164@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010426070903.I84165@nathan.ruhr.de> Comments: In-reply-to Udo Erdelhoff message dated "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:09:03 +0200." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1246304996P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:06:50 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1246304996P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Udo Erdelhoff wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 08:36:47PM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > At this point in time, there is only one FAQ, one Handbook, and so on. = > =20 > > So these documents have only a single notion of what &rel.current;=20 > > should be (right now, it's 4.3-RELEASE). > > Yes and no. Several weeks or even months ago, Nik posted a set of patches > to generate version-specific versions of the FAQ. He had similar issues > there, a look into the patches (which I can't find right now) might yield > an avenue of approach. Hi Udo-- I've seen them. While I think they are useful in the sense for which they were intended, I don't think they're quite powerful enough for what I need to express. (I'm going to follow-up to Nik's feedback with a more detailed description of this.) I *do* think that the attributes will be a very useful way to express architecture-specific features and in fact there is even an attribute defined by DocBook for exactly this purpose. Eventually I want to move to that model (away from the conditional inclusion we do now). Thanks, Bruce. --==_Exmh_1246304996P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE66Eea2MoxcVugUsMRAhzgAJ98e9l3OdG38PAVqOv6hA8TTOqhqACgqEbH Cg5PEJDi+eRtt/FkbpiiT0M= =se6L -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1246304996P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 9:58:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47FFB37B423; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:58:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA14842; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3QGwhs37643; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:58:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104261658.f3QGwhs37643@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010426103003.A52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010426103003.A52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:30:04 +0100." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1438040942P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 09:58:43 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1438040942P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: > Like it. OK, thanks, that's a good start... > My main concern is that this is in the src/ tree. As other people > have said this is going to complicate things for src/ folks who just > want up to date release notes, This problem (which I agree is valid) is not so much a problem as to where the release notes live, but the fact that one needs to actually build human-readable renderings of them. If people can't be bothered to install the docproj port and the doc/ tree to get release notes living in src/, putting the release notes in doc/ sure isn't going to help. It's trivial to put the release notes for -RELEASE versions up (the Web site does this already), and Dima thinks it's possible to do this for -CURRENT too (and -STABLE if and when it's applicable). > and for doc/ people who might not track > -stable or -current, but who want to work on the SGML side of things. You don't need to track -STABLE or -CURRENT to work on the docs. I run 4-STABLE on all of my machines except one, yet I routinely use those machines to handle commits to 5-CURRENT and 3-STABLE as well: % cd ~bmah/FreeBSD/5-CURRENT % cvs co release % cd ~bmah/FreeBSD/4-STABLE % cvs co -r RELENG_4 release % cd ~bmah/FreeBSD/3-STABLE % cvs co -r RELENG_3 release Putting the release notes in doc/ means that the src/ committers (who I just *barely* got now to make changes to the release notes) are going to have to chase through parts of the doc/ hierarchy. I'm pretty sure I'm going to lose the few converts I've won if I let people talk me into this. > Also, if we want to put these on the website then it means that anyone > doing so will need to have checked out www/, doc/, and src/release/ > trees. I got the impression that this would not be hard. They don't need to have all of src/ checked out, and if enough people complain about it, we can probably make another module which is just the RELNOTESng part of src/release. > Could this come under doc/, and either have a CVS branch for RELENG_4 > for just the release notes directory hierarchy, or I could start work on > the osrel{min,max,in} attribute support code again. . . Can it come under doc/? Sure. Do I think it's the right thing? No. I don't like the idea of having one part of doc/ branched and another part not (especially when the part that's not branched lives higher in the directory hierarchy). So if I want to work on RELENG_4's release notes, I need to checkout HEAD's doc/ and then check out the release note's subtree with a RELENG_4 tag. The osrel{min,max} attributes work to a point, but they presume that there is a total ordering on version numbers. For -RELEASEs, this just *might* be possible. But when there's multiple development tracks going on in parallel (and release note items appear *between* releases), this falls apart. How do you express the idea that the fix for the vulnerability described by a security advisory is present in 3.5-STABLE-after-2001-04-06, 4.2-STABLE-after-2001-04-06, and 5.0-CURRENT-after-2001-04-06? CVS branches (for all their shortcomings) handle this pretty well, without the need for complex stylesheet customizations. Let's just use the right tool for the right job. (BTW I do want to try to use what you've done with attributes to implement the DocBook arch= attribute, to do better multi-platform support.) I appreciate all the solutions people have put forth, but I think they're solving a non-problem. If I leave the release notes in src/ (which is where they've *been* all along, I might add), it's a more natural fit because release notes are tied to CVS branches and releases (tags) on those branches. They live closer in the filesystem hierarchy and, more importantly, they get exactly the same branching behavior as the rest of src/. Thanks, Bruce. --==_Exmh_1438040942P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE66FPD2MoxcVugUsMRAmcgAKD+BObfxPVUDIzwyhN1f3WFAMr9WQCeON74 MOVjuSSfyUm6A3FTRC0WZCw= =/hdu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1438040942P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 10:14:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bremen.shuttle.de (bremen.shuttle.de [194.95.249.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4410537B43E for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:14:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schweikh@schweikhardt.net) Received: by bremen.shuttle.de (Postfix, from userid 10) id 31CA217D5C; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:14:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from schweikh@localhost) by hal9000.schweikhardt.net (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3QH7Nx01959 for docs@freebsd.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:07:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from schweikh) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:07:23 +0200 From: Jens Schweikhardt To: docs@freebsd.org Subject: leftover pseudo-devices Message-ID: <20010426190723.A1329@schweikhardt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Folks, it was suggested I forward this request to docs. Response on freebsd-current was zilch :-) Jens --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 18:19:46 +0200 From: Jens Schweikhardt To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: leftover pseudo-devices Message-ID: <20010422181946.A19017@schweikhardt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i hello, world\n as -current's NOTES seems to no longer support pseudo-devices, we should get the docs up to snuff. Grepping /usr/src for pseudo-device turns up the following. I hesitate to simply s/pseudo-device/device/g and commit the changes. Could the maintainers of these files please have a look at what needs to be done. Thanks! Regards, Jens -- Jens Schweikhardt http://www.schweikhardt.net/ SIGSIG -- signature too long (core dumped) ./contrib/ipfilter/ip_fil.c: * Try to detect the case when compiling for NetBSD with pseudo-device ./contrib/libpcap/inet.c: * The pseudo-device "any" listens on all interfaces and therefore ./contrib/ntp/kernel/README: pseudo-device tty 4 # TTY clock support ./contrib/ntp/kernel/README: pseudo-device tty 4 # TTY clock support ./release/picobsd/doc/src/how2build.html: line in your kernel config file stating 'pseudo-device vn xxx'). ./sbin/mknod/mknod.8:for pseudo-devices. ./share/doc/smm/01.setup/5.t:In either case, include the pseudo-devices ./share/doc/smm/01.setup/5.t:The ``pty'' pseudo-device forces the pseudo terminal device driver ./share/doc/smm/01.setup/5.t:while the ``loop'' pseudo-device forces inclusion of the software loopback ./share/doc/smm/01.setup/5.t:Ethernet, the pseudo-device ``ether'' should also be included ./share/examples/drivers/make_pseudo_driver.sh:pseudo-device ${1} 4 # might as well allow 4 of them ./share/examples/isdn/FAQ: pseudo-device "i4bisppp" 4 ./share/man/man4/bpf.4:.Cd pseudo-device bpf ./share/man/man4/ccd.4:.Cd "pseudo-device ccd 4" ./share/man/man4/ccd.4:how to properly configure disks and pseudo-devices in a kernel ./share/man/man4/ccd.4:pseudo-device ccd 4 # concatenated disk devices ./share/man/man4/ef.4:pseudo-device driver provides support for multiple ethernet frame types. ./share/man/man4/ef.4:pseudo-device driver clones each ethernet type device with four ./share/man/man4/faith.4:.Cd "pseudo-device faith 1" ./share/man/man4/fpa.4:.Cd "pseudo-device fddi" ./share/man/man4/gif.4:.Cd "pseudo-device gif" Op Ar count ./share/man/man4/ifmib.4:hardware device or a software pseudo-device like ./share/man/man4/intro.4:.Em pseudo-devices ./share/man/man4/lo.4:.Cd "pseudo-device loop" ./share/man/man4/ppp.4:.Cd "pseudo-device ppp" Op Ar count ./share/man/man4/pty.4:.Cd "pseudo-device pty" ./share/man/man4/sl.4:.Cd "pseudo-device sl" Op Ar count ./share/man/man4/splash.4:.Cd "pseudo-device splash" ./share/man/man4/splash.4:.Dl pseudo-device splash ./share/man/man4/sppp.4:.Cd "pseudo-device sppp" ./share/man/man4/stf.4:.Cd "pseudo-device stf" ./share/man/man4/syscons.4:pseudo-device splash ./share/man/man4/tap.4:.Cd pseudo-device tap ./share/man/man4/tun.4:.Cd pseudo-device tun ./share/man/man4/vinum.4:pseudo-device vinum ./share/man/man4/vinum.4:pseudo-device appear to work, but are not supported. If you have trouble with ./share/man/man4/man4.i386/ar.4:.Cd "pseudo-device sppp" ./share/man/man4/man4.i386/cx.4:.Cd pseudo-device sppp ./share/man/man4/man4.i386/en.4:.Cd "pseudo-device atm" ./share/man/man4/man4.i386/spkr.4:.Cd pseudo-device speaker ./share/man/man4/man4.i386/sr.4:.Cd "pseudo-device sppp" ./sys/dev/ccd/ccd.c: * Called by main() during pseudo-device attachment. All we need ./sys/dev/streams/streams.c: * Stolen from NetBSD /sys/compat/svr4/svr4_net.c. Pseudo-device driver ./sys/dev/vinum/vinum.c:/* Called by main() during pseudo-device attachment. */ ./sys/dev/vinum/vinum.c: * Called by main() during pseudo-device attachment. All we need ./sys/i4b/driver/i4b_isppp.c:# error "You need to define `pseudo-device sppp ' with options ISPPP" ./sys/kern/kern_descrip.c: * File Descriptor pseudo-device driver (/dev/fd/). ./sys/modules/svr4/README: a. Add "pseudo-device streams" to your kernel config file and rebuild, ./sys/net/if_vlan.c: * if_vlan.c - pseudo-device driver for IEEE 802.1Q virtual LANs. ./sys/netinet/ip_fil.c: * Try to detect the case when compiling for NetBSD with pseudo-device ./sys/sys/mdioctl.h: * Ioctl definitions for memory disk pseudo-device. ./sys/sys/vnioctl.h: * Ioctl definitions for file (vnode) disk pseudo-device. ./tools/tools/upgrade/doupgrade.sh:pseudo-device splash \ ./usr.sbin/arp/arp.4:.Cd "pseudo-device ether" ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/2.t:.IR pseudo-devices . ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/4.t:Pseudo-devices ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/4.t:To include any of these pieces, a ``pseudo-device'' specification ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/4.t:\fBpseudo-device\fP \fIdevice-name\fP [ \fIhowmany\fP ] ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/5.t:.I pseudo-device ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/5.t:.I pseudo-device ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/5.t:pseudo-device pty ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/5.t:pseudo-device loop ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/5.t:pseudo-device imp ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/5.t:pseudo-device ether ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/6.t:which may be configured with pseudo-device specifications. ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/a.t: | \fBpseudo-device\fP Dev [ NUMBER ] ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/c.t:pseudo-device pty ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/c.t:pseudo-device loop ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/c.t:pseudo-device imp ./usr.sbin/config/SMM.doc/c.t:pseudo-device ether ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4b.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4b\&" ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4bctl.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4bctl\&" ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4bing.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4bing\&" Op count ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4bipr.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4bipr\&" Op count ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4bisppp.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4bisppp\&" Op count ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4bq921.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4bq921\&" ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4bq931.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4bq931\&" ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4brbch.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4brbch\&" Op count ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4btel.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4btel\&" Op count ./usr.sbin/i4b/man/i4btrc.4:.Cd pseudo-device \&"i4btrc\&" Op count ./usr.sbin/ppp/ppp.8:.Dl pseudo-device tun N --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 10:20:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F9D37B449 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3QHK1m91188; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:20:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from smtp.whitebarn.com (Spin.whitebarn.com [216.0.13.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF5E37B625 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:15:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bob@NewStorm.WhiteBarn.Com) Received: from NewStorm.WhiteBarn.Com (NewStorm.whitebarn.com [216.0.13.77]) by smtp.whitebarn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA29217 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:15:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob@NewStorm.WhiteBarn.Com) Received: (from bob@localhost) by NewStorm.WhiteBarn.Com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3QHE2a01022; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:14:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bob) Message-Id: <200104261714.f3QHE2a01022@NewStorm.WhiteBarn.Com> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 12:14:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Bob Van Valzah Reply-To: Bob@Talarian.Com To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.2 Subject: docs/26881: ncr(4) makes no mention of sym(4) or relative virtues Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26881 >Category: docs >Synopsis: ncr(4) makes no mention of sym(4) or relative virtues >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Apr 26 10:20:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Bob Van Valzah >Release: FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE i386 >Organization: >Environment: >Description: The ncr(4) and sym(4) drivers both seem to cover the same chip sets. That begs the question of which driver should be used when. The sym(4) manpage at least mentions ncr(4) but never gives any reason why you'd want to use one over the other. The ncr(4) manpage doesn't even mention sym(4). >How-To-Repeat: man 4 ncr >Fix: From what I've been able to gleen from the history of these drivers, the sym(4) driver is more modern and general than ncr(4). If so, there should be a note to this effect on ncr(4). At the very least, ncr(4) should have a see also pointing to sym(4). It'd be nice if both pages contained complimentary rationalles for choosing one over the other. >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 10:28:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F4837B423 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:28:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger [158.227.6.51]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f3QHSDX00550 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:28:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from we.lc.ehu.es (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f3QHSFg01145 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:28:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose@we.lc.ehu.es) Message-ID: <3AE85AAF.53A866D8@we.lc.ehu.es> Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:28:15 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" Organization: Universidad del Pais Vasco - Dpto. de Electricidad y Electronica X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: es-ES, es, en-US, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mirrors confused by "redirect" directives on www.freebsd.org References: <3AE61603.2060837C@we.lc.ehu.es> <20010425231224.A2149@paula.panke.de.freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wolfram Schneider wrote: > > the redirects on www.freebsd.org are optional. > Every link on a FreeBSD web site should work. > You don't need to setup redirects or aliases in your httpd > server configuration. > > If you get a "page not found" error, then you found a bug in > the FreeBSD documentation, and the bug should be fixed ASAP. > It seems that the problem was caused by a handbook reorganization in progress :-) The redirects on www.freebsd.org were hiding the problem, but now everything seems to work fine again. -- JMA ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 10:31: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from post.mail.nl.demon.net (post-11.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94B137B423; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:30:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.demon.nl) Received: from [212.238.54.101] (helo=freebie.demon.nl) by post.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14spbQ-00092s-00; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:30:52 +0000 Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.demon.nl (8.11.3/8.11.2) id f3QHYln00799; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:34:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:34:47 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Warner Losh Cc: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" , Leif Neland , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Message-ID: <20010426193447.A765@freebie.demon.nl> References: <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> <200104252306.f3PN6C828011@harmony.village.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <200104252306.f3PN6C828011@harmony.village.org>; from imp@harmony.village.org on Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:06:12PM -0600 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:06:12PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > In message <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" writes: > : Hey whatever. Let's just keep a rendered TXT version where it always > : (ie. in the src/release... cvs) was but keep the originial as a sgml > : version in the doc tree. > > UPDATING will continue to be a flat file, or I will no longer maintain > it. Right ;-) "Form follows function" -- | / o / / _ Arnhem, The Netherlands email: wilko@freebsd.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte Powered by FreeBSD/alpha http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 10:47:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (ns.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C7037B424 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:46:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (ns2.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA00527; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:46:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3QHk7M51715; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:46:07 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 20:46:07 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Anders Thulin Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Bad web contents on tutorial links page? Message-ID: <20010426204607.A50412@ark.cris.net> References: <3AE82301.190387E4@telia.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <3AE82301.190387E4@telia.se>; from Anders.X.Thulin@telia.se on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 03:30:41PM +0200 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hi, Fixed. Thanks for report! On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 03:30:41PM +0200, Anders Thulin wrote: > Hi! > > I just passed by the web page: > > http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/index.html > > and tried the link to the FreeBSD Porters Handbook. It leads to > a page that claims to be the FreeBSD Russian documentation project -- > which is not quite what I had in mind. > > Looks like there been some confusion of web stuff. > > best wishes, > -- > Anders Thulin Anders.X.Thulin@telia.se 040-661 50 63 > Telia ProSoft AB, Carlsgatan 6, SE-201 20 Malm?, Sweden > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message -- /* Alexey Zelkin && phantom@cris.net */ /* Tavric National University && phantom@FreeBSD.org */ /* Sysadmin/Developer && phantom@sms.umc.com.ua */ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 10:51:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D35B37B423; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:51:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24379; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3QHpH839287; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:51:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104261751.f3QHpH839287@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: Warner Losh , "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" , Leif Neland , freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010426193447.A765@freebie.demon.nl> References: <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425211805N.matusita@jp.FreeBSD.org> <200104251658.f3PGwe220619@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010425202204.A1311@freebie.demon.nl> <03f001c0cdbf$d6257300$6405a8c0@neland.dk> <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> <200104252306.f3PN6C828011@harmony.village.org> <20010426193447.A765@freebie.demon.nl> Comments: In-reply-to Wilko Bulte message dated "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:34:47 +0200." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1780455570P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:51:17 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_1780455570P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:06:12PM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > > In message <3AE729DA.C367DF53@lmc.ericsson.se> "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" writ > es: > > : Hey whatever. Let's just keep a rendered TXT version where it always > > : (ie. in the src/release... cvs) was but keep the originial as a sgml > > : version in the doc tree. > > > > UPDATING will continue to be a flat file, or I will no longer maintain > > it. > > Right ;-) "Form follows function" I thought I responded to Warner's, er, strong statement of his position, earlier, but I'm not sure. So, for the record, I *have* no intention, and never *had* any intention of touching src/UPDATING, changing its format, or even gazing wistfully in its general direction. Bruce. --==_Exmh_1780455570P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE66GAV2MoxcVugUsMRAtH2AKD82nVPWf2A0UD7+KIzHZq/flRecgCgiGpG ENlB3vGvCqwnx2Y8V6NSt54= =HjJk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1780455570P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 15: 2: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545CB37B422; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:02:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: (from des@localhost) by flood.ping.uio.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA58016; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:01:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: scanner@jurai.net Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC for Vinum HOW-TO for the handbook References: From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 27 Apr 2001 00:01:56 +0200 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org scanner@jurai.net writes: > After many, many, MANY people asking for help on configuring Vinum, and > not being able to understand the man page, I put together a small HOWTO on > Vinum. The man page has numerous examples which should be quite simple to follow. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 15: 6: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sasami.jurai.net (sasami.jurai.net [64.0.106.45]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C23E37B424; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 15:05:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from scanner@jurai.net) Received: from localhost (scanner@localhost) by sasami.jurai.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA43740; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 18:05:54 -0400 (EDT) From: To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: RFC for Vinum HOW-TO for the handbook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 27 Apr 2001, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > The man page has numerous examples which should be quite simple to > follow. Again. If you have done this 100 times and can do it in your sleep yes. They make perfect sense. If you are completely new, or not expereinced in volume managers, that entire man page is greek. There is still nothing easy for the above mentioned people in the handbook. And people seem to like this HOWTO so I'm hoping to add it to the handbook eventually. We can never have to much documentation. ============================================================================= -Chris Watson (316) 326-3862 | FreeBSD Consultant, FreeBSD Geek Work: scanner@jurai.net | Open Systems Inc., Wellington, Kansas Home: scanner@deceptively.shady.org | http://open-systems.net ============================================================================= WINDOWS: "Where do you want to go today?" LINUX: "Where do you want to go tomorrow?" BSD: "Are you guys coming or what?" ============================================================================= irc.openprojects.net #FreeBSD -Join the revolution! ICQ: 20016186 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 16:21: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB6B637B422; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:21:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from hornet.unixfreak.org (hornet [63.198.170.140]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 873DC3E2A; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:21:05 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Todd.Miller@courtesan.com: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists] In-Reply-To: <20010426104404.B52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 10:44:04 +0100" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 16:21:05 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010426232105.873DC3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nik Clayton writes: > On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 05:48:07PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > Wolfram Schneider writes: > > > Plain text rules, > > > > I concur. I'm pretty sure that some people will scream if we try to > > do this, however. > > I'd probably be one of them. I thought so. > Specifically, > > 1. PGP. Not a huge deal, but anything that makes it easy to publicise > your PGP key is, IMHO, a good thing. This message is PGP-signed, but is not MIME. > 2. People submitting patches as attachments. It's much easier to > pull out 3 different attachments from a message if they're > separate attachments than it is to have to cut-n-paste out of the > message body. uuencode and/or shar can do this. Or URLs (although I can see why you wouldn't like that). Actually, the only reason I don't like MIME is because not everything can read it: specifically, the mail archives and the composition portion of my archaic MUA. I understand no one really cares about the latter, but the former is a problem. Have you actually tried looking at your messages in the archives? All that said, I can live with MIME. It'd be nice if the mail archives can be fixed, but I personally don't want to spend lots of time doing that. Regards, Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAjrorTYACgkQHZgkfp9mafazsgCeP3HLgZp+TQXICT/f/FBv28R+ ZmcAmwWuKq8Oh1Y5FSkAq2xhPuL5/epm =b0Zo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 17: 4:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E74B437B42C; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:03:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QNxPb06327; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:59:25 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:59:25 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Nik Clayton , doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Todd.Miller@courtesan.com: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists] Message-ID: <20010427005925.C77194@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20010426104404.B52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010426232105.873DC3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010426232105.873DC3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org>; from dima@unixfreak.org on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 04:21:05PM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 04:21:05PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > 1. PGP. Not a huge deal, but anything that makes it easy to publici= se > > your PGP key is, IMHO, a good thing. >=20 > This message is PGP-signed, but is not MIME. I'll take your word for it. I have procmail automatically re-MIME any non-MIME PGP signed messages that come in :-) > > 2. People submitting patches as attachments. It's much easier to > > pull out 3 different attachments from a message if they're > > separate attachments than it is to have to cut-n-paste out of the > > message body. >=20 > uuencode=20 Makes it in a pain to inspect the patch inside the mail client. > and/or shar can do this. =20 Shar would be the lesser of two evils. > Actually, the only reason I don't like MIME is because not everything > can read it: specifically, the mail archives and the composition > portion of my archaic MUA. I understand no one really cares about the > latter, but the former is a problem. Have you actually tried looking > at your messages in the archives? I just took a look at=20 http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D69731+72121+/usr/local/ww= w/db/text/2001/freebsd-doc/20010422.freebsd-doc which, IMHO, looks OK. The first four lines are easy to ignore, and it's obvious where the end of the message is from the sig block =20 > All that said, I can live with MIME. It'd be nice if the mail > archives can be fixed, but I personally don't want to spend lots of > time doing that. What would a fix look like? The mail archives could use an overhaul anyway (and have done for some time). N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrotlwACgkQk6gHZCw343W5dwCfbxET+G4nOuoC/Mdi4ug8MSzB N7IAn18HeuP9lho8IjK3TuZQzO+2aCnH =+JcX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --adJ1OR3c6QgCpb/j-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 17: 4:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (pc-62-31-42-141-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.42.141]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7C737B634; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:03:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk) Received: (from nik@localhost) by nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f3QIwGP04042; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:58:16 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from nik) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:58:16 +0100 From: Nik Clayton To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Nik Clayton , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT Message-ID: <20010426195815.B77194@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010426103003.A52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200104261658.f3QGwhs37643@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CdrF4e02JqNVZeln" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200104261658.f3QGwhs37643@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com>; from bmah@freebsd.org on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:58:43AM -0700 Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --CdrF4e02JqNVZeln Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:58:43AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > This problem (which I agree is valid) is not so much a problem as to=20 > where the release notes live, but the fact that one needs to actually=20 > build human-readable renderings of them. If people can't be bothered=20 > to install the docproj port and the doc/ tree to get release notes=20 > living in src/, putting the release notes in doc/ sure isn't going to=20 > help. It's trivial to put the release notes for -RELEASE versions up=20 > (the Web site does this already), and Dima thinks it's possible to do=20 > this for -CURRENT too (and -STABLE if and when it's applicable). I think this, as a whole, is a non-problem. It's trivial to script a daily build of the release notes and mirror it to the FTP site (and/or include it in the twice daily build of the web site). > Putting the release notes in doc/ means that the src/ committers (who I= =20 > just *barely* got now to make changes to the release notes) are going=20 > to have to chase through parts of the doc/ hierarchy. I'm pretty sure=20 > I'm going to lose the few converts I've won if I let people talk me=20 > into this. True, true. > > Also, if we want to put these on the website then it means that anyone > > doing so will need to have checked out www/, doc/, and src/release/ > > trees. >=20 > I got the impression that this would not be hard. They don't need to=20 > have all of src/ checked out, and if enough people complain about it, we= =20 > can probably make another module which is just the RELNOTESng part of=20 > src/release. I think that would be a definite requirement. We could even make release/ a top level directory, alongside src/, doc/, and ports/. > > Could this come under doc/, and either have a CVS branch for RELENG_4 > > for just the release notes directory hierarchy, or I could start work on > > the osrel{min,max,in} attribute support code again. . . >=20 > Can it come under doc/? Sure. Do I think it's the right thing? No. >=20 > I don't like the idea of having one part of doc/ branched and another=20 > part not (especially when the part that's not branched lives higher in=20 > the directory hierarchy). =20 I don't either (just because I suggest something doesn't mean I always think it's the best way). At the end of the day, you're the guy doing the work. . . N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- --CdrF4e02JqNVZeln Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrob8YACgkQk6gHZCw343WmhgCfdRdXaXP9MJcK1AT0I7vhMSuH MpAAn1lC7Dqqf7ERBahFyfykUYxI4Ftu =S4hL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CdrF4e02JqNVZeln-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 17:42:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B1E37B43F; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:42:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f3R0g3302336; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:42:03 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:42:03 -0700 From: Brooks Davis To: Nik Clayton Cc: Dima Dorfman , doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [Todd.Miller@courtesan.com: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists] Message-ID: <20010426174203.B13558@Odin.AC.HMC.Edu> References: <20010426104404.B52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <20010426232105.873DC3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> <20010427005925.C77194@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010427005925.C77194@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:59:25AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:59:25AM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > What would a fix look like? The mail archives could use an overhaul > anyway (and have done for some time). While dealing with the one person I've ever had complain about my PGP/MIME signed mail[0], I realized that you could probably write software to do a machine transform of a standard PGP/MIME message into the older flat format. When you look at them in a dumb editor, there is almost no difference in format. -- Brooks [0] As far as I'm concerned his problem was that his mailer was a lot dumber then it though it was. It thought it could handle MIME, but it screwed up the handling of multipart messages. Simply displaying it is unpretty, but quite readable. --=20 Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE66MBaXY6L6fI4GtQRAlUyAJ9b+zDolqP3F85JhCUJwc4s8dTkggCfbzAJ WM6i9smt9rQoXMNS2jQFbgo= =xR0r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EuxKj2iCbKjpUGkD-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 17:52:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B516C37B423; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E563E2A; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:52:55 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Todd.Miller@courtesan.com: MIME is now being removed from the mailing lists] In-Reply-To: <20010427005925.C77194@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on "Fri, 27 Apr 2001 00:59:25 +0100" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:52:55 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010427005255.20E563E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nik Clayton writes: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 04:21:05PM -0700, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > Actually, the only reason I don't like MIME is because not everything > > can read it: specifically, the mail archives and the composition > > portion of my archaic MUA. I understand no one really cares about the > > latter, but the former is a problem. Have you actually tried looking > > at your messages in the archives? > > I just took a look at > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=69731+72121+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-doc/20010422.freebsd-doc > > which, IMHO, looks OK. The first four lines are easy to ignore, and > it's obvious where the end of the message is from the sig block That message isn't so bad. The only sign of MIME encoding is the "=20" at the end of one of the lines. If you think I'm nitpicking, go look at: http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=59067+0+archive/2001/freebsd-doc/20010311.freebsd-doc Actually, the best examples of how messy it can get are patches. You haven't sent any longer than a few lines since you started auto-signing messages, but if you want you can look at some of Kris Kennaway's. He also uses Mutt to auto-sign messages: http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=89304+0+current/freebsd-audit (Find an '=' symbol in the patch.) > > All that said, I can live with MIME. It'd be nice if the mail > > archives can be fixed, but I personally don't want to spend lots of > > time doing that. > > What would a fix look like? The mail archives could use an overhaul > anyway (and have done for some time). The mail archives are fine. I prefer them to all of the other archivers: openresources, egroups, et al. They're fast, have little overhead (i.e., I don't have to scroll down to see the message), and have relatively nice threading. It's the searching that could use an overhaul, IMO. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 19: 4:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B35E37B424 for ; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:04:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DE03E2A; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:04:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Jens Schweikhardt Cc: docs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: leftover pseudo-devices In-Reply-To: <20010426190723.A1329@schweikhardt.net>; from schweikh@schweikhardt.net on "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:07:23 +0200" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:04:40 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010427020440.B2DE03E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jens Schweikhardt writes: > as -current's NOTES seems to no longer support pseudo-devices, we should > get the docs up to snuff. Grepping /usr/src for pseudo-device turns up > the following. I hesitate to simply s/pseudo-device/device/g and commit > the changes. Could the maintainers of these files please have a look at > what needs to be done. Thanks! I'm not a maintainer of any of this stuff, but I do have a few comments. > ./contrib/ipfilter/ip_fil.c: * Try to detect the case when compiling for NetB > SD with pseudo-device > ./contrib/libpcap/inet.c: * The pseudo-device "any" listens on all inter > faces and therefore > ./contrib/ntp/kernel/README: pseudo-device tty 4 # TTY clock support > ./contrib/ntp/kernel/README: pseudo-device tty 4 # TTY clock support You probably shouldn't touch stuff in contrib/ or risk being shot. Instead, submit it to the maintainers (but you probably already knew that). > [snip] > ./share/man/man4/bpf.4:.Cd pseudo-device bpf > ./share/man/man4/ccd.4:.Cd "pseudo-device ccd 4" You can probably regexp the manpages, but look at the diffs to make sure that what results is still coherent. For example, in some cases it's still appropriate to call something a pseudo-device even though that's not what's used in the kernel config. Case in point: > ./sys/sys/mdioctl.h: * Ioctl definitions for memory disk pseudo-device. md(4) is still a pseudo-device; it's just not defined that way anymore. Other than that, I'd stay away from modifying source files unless it's in a comment. Overall I think it's something that should probably be done, esp. in the man pages and share/ files; the comments aren't so important. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Thu Apr 26 19:14: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2ADC37B424; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:13:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B57D3E2A; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:13:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010426195815.B77194@canyon.nothing-going-on.org>; from nik@freebsd.org on "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:58:16 +0100" Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:13:58 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010427021358.8B57D3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ dropping -current ] Nik Clayton writes: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 09:58:43AM -0700, Bruce A. Mah wrote: > > This problem (which I agree is valid) is not so much a problem as to > > where the release notes live, but the fact that one needs to actually > > build human-readable renderings of them. If people can't be bothered > > to install the docproj port and the doc/ tree to get release notes > > living in src/, putting the release notes in doc/ sure isn't going to > > help. It's trivial to put the release notes for -RELEASE versions up > > (the Web site does this already), and Dima thinks it's possible to do > > this for -CURRENT too (and -STABLE if and when it's applicable). > > I think this, as a whole, is a non-problem. It's trivial to script a > daily build of the release notes and mirror it to the FTP site (and/or > include it in the twice daily build of the web site). I'll see about hooking it into the web site when it's committed. > > > Also, if we want to put these on the website then it means that anyone > > > doing so will need to have checked out www/, doc/, and src/release/ > > > trees. > > > > I got the impression that this would not be hard. They don't need to > > have all of src/ checked out, and if enough people complain about it, we > > > can probably make another module which is just the RELNOTESng part of > > src/release. > > I think that would be a definite requirement. We could even make > release/ a top level directory, alongside src/, doc/, and ports/. The only thing I don't like about this is that now we're growing large webs of dependencies. For example, tanget to this I'd like to have one entity file that defines rel.current for the web site, the docs, and the relnotes (the latter will need two of those definitions depending on the branch, but that's solvable). This is easy to do for docs and relnotes, but leaves the web site--which needs it the most--out in the cold. The problem is that having doc/ doesn't mean we have www/, and visa versa. Adding a release/ will make it worse. If we have release/, are we guaranteed to have doc/? How about www/? Does doc/ need release/? Et cetera. Ideally, having www/ would imply having doc/. releases/ or src/release/ can be optional. I think wosch will shoot anyone who suggests getting rid of the WEB_ONLY knob, though. Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 27 8:12:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from merchandisewholesale.com (ci392057-b.ruthfd1.tn.home.com [24.15.72.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C0BB37B446 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:12:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cs@merchandisewholesale.com) From: "Merchandise WholeSale" To: Subject: Grand Opening Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 10:06:44 -0700 Reply-To: "Merchandise WholeSale" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20010427151212.2C0BB37B446@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org First off I would like to Thank You for taking time to read this letter. Second of all your e-mail address was pulled from an on-line source. 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Thanks for your precious time, HTTP://MERCHANDISEWHOLESALE.COM promotions@merchandisewholesale.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 27 8:14:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C2D37B424; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:14:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id f3RFELm24180; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3RFELL49753; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:14:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104271514.f3RFELL49753@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Dima Dorfman Cc: Nik Clayton , "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010427021358.8B57D3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> References: <20010427021358.8B57D3E2A@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Comments: In-reply-to Dima Dorfman message dated "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:13:58 -0700." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1828447534P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:14:21 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1828447534P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > I think this, as a whole, is a non-problem. It's trivial to script a > > daily build of the release notes and mirror it to the FTP site (and/or > > include it in the twice daily build of the web site). > > I'll see about hooking it into the web site when it's committed. Cool, thanks! > > > I got the impression that this would not be hard. They don't need to > > > have all of src/ checked out, and if enough people complain about it, we > > > can probably make another module which is just the RELNOTESng part of > > > src/release. > > > > I think that would be a definite requirement. We could even make > > release/ a top level directory, alongside src/, doc/, and ports/. If and when we do an MFC of RELNOTESng, we'll need a couple of different release/ directories (or maybe subdirectories of release/) to handle 5-CURRENT and 4-STABLE. I'll defer to the people who design the Web site for this one. (I'm presuming that release/ refers to a directory where documents live on the Web site, or the directory that the Web servers will use to build the RELNOTESng files, not a new directory in the CVS repo.) [dependencies between www/, doc/, and release/] > Ideally, having www/ would imply having doc/. releases/ or > src/release/ can be optional. Modulo the actual names of these directories, this seems pretty reasonable. (I though that www/ already depended on doc/ but I guess I was mistaken.) Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1828447534P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE66YzM2MoxcVugUsMRAtlPAKDCbr+WOgiwG5NQiPYfzj1KvlWajwCcC82n RuUczO4EkF4QIhfBKYlQfp8= =+Yib -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1828447534P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 27 8:20:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2569F37B423; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:20:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08306; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3RFKjf49815; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:20:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104271520.f3RFKjf49815@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Nik Clayton Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [RFC] RELNOTESng for 5-CURRENT In-Reply-To: <20010426195815.B77194@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> References: <200104241603.f3OG3AB06290@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010426103003.A52781@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> <200104261658.f3QGwhs37643@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> <20010426195815.B77194@canyon.nothing-going-on.org> Comments: In-reply-to Nik Clayton message dated "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:58:16 +0100." From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1801274830P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 08:20:45 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1801274830P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii [dropping -current] If memory serves me right, Nik Clayton wrote: [bmah: Doesn't like partial branching of doc/.] > I don't either (just because I suggest something doesn't mean I always > think it's the best way). :-) > At the end of the day, you're the guy doing the work. . . Sure has been a long day....I think it started around BSDCon. :-) I'm going to try an experiment with stylesheets for the architecture-dependent stuff (based on your osmin=/osmax= prototype). If it works, then great. If not, I'll probably revisit it later, and I'll probably ask you for some more help with this. Either way I'm hoping to get all this committed RSN, like today or this weekend. Thanks! Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1801274830P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE66Y5N2MoxcVugUsMRAk1eAJ0U4by0jgn7OKaZBXXwXKGp2jIwswCg84Nh Ewea3iMfPe+FUG8xWF6vQJ0= =KoJG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1801274830P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 27 11:14: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583F237B423 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:14:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bobbitwm@netscape.net) Received: from bobbitwm@netscape.net by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v30.10.) id n.2.156137e (16240) for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (aimmail10.aim.aol.com [205.188.144.202]) by air-in03.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.37) with ESMTP; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:13:59 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:13:59 -0400 From: bobbitwm@netscape.net (William M Bobbitt) To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Installation of BSD Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1542E69B.06CD4F20.00952706@netscape.net> X-Mailer: Franklin Webmailer 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org To whomever this may concern, I have been trying to create a floppy disk with the BOOT.FLP file. So far I have attempted to download the file from two different install CD-ROMs using the RAWRITE utility. I have used new disks and reformatted ones. Each time I receive a BAD SECTOR error. Is there another way to obtain this file??? I was able to download MFSROOT.FLP & KERN.FLP without any problems. Please respond. Mike Bobbitt __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 27 11:20:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (heorot.1nova.com [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B7C37B423 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 11:20:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6CCCA18D1; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3FA18D0; Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 11:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Rick Hamell To: William M Bobbitt Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Installation of BSD In-Reply-To: <1542E69B.06CD4F20.00952706@netscape.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > To whomever this may concern, I have been trying to create a floppy > disk with the BOOT.FLP file. So far I have attempted to download the > file from two different install CD-ROMs using the RAWRITE utility. I > have used new disks and reformatted ones. Each time I receive a BAD > SECTOR error. Is there another way to obtain this file??? I was able > to download MFSROOT.FLP & KERN.FLP without any problems. Please ask questions in -questions. Use fdimage.exe to create your floppies, not rawrite - especially if you're under Windows 2000. Bad Sector error means there is a bad spot on the floppy. Oh... and BOOT.FLP only works with 2.88 disks... use the other two files you have. Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 27 14:42:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B28A37B422; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:42:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah@cisco.com) Received: from bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com [171.70.84.42]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA24239; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com (8.11.3/8.11.1) id f3RLgZj54391; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:42:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200104272142.f3RLgZj54391@bmah-freebsd-0.cisco.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/19/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org Subject: HEADS UP: RELNOTESng committed to 5-CURRENT From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_906850910P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:42:35 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_906850910P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've just committed RELNOTESng to 5-CURRENT. If you missed the earlier discussions on these lists, RELNOTESng is the rewrite and restructuring of FreeBSD's *.TXT documentation files into DocBook. All of the files live under src/release/doc, and src/release/doc/README has more information. As far as I know, the contents of the RELNOTESng files are up-to-date with respect to 5-CURRENT's *.TXT files. Eventually the *.TXT files will go away. There are a few outstanding issues remaining, but I decided to commit these files anyways, because having them in the repository will greatly facilitate fixing them: 1. The alpha hardware list (used to be src/release/texts/alpha/ HARDWARE.TXT) does not have all of its DocBook markup yet. 2. The hardware list generated for the alpha from the architecture-independent files is still i386-centric. It's better than the old src/release/texts/HARDWARE.TXT, but there's a lot of work left to go. Wilko Bulte and I will be working to fix this. 3. Several people have brought forth the idea to make the release notes for 5-CURRENT (and 4-STABLE, when applicable) automatically built and Web-accessible. Dima Dorfman volunteered to help make this happen. Thanks to everyone who gave comments...they were most helpful! Bruce. --==_Exmh_906850910P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 iD8DBQE66efL2MoxcVugUsMRAqlEAKC56Ud6mGzXR3bvBkSJCdw5ltejpQCg8H+i jPEjRWJNyTuSzahN0ZorKwA= =uI1l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_906850910P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 27 15:10:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0677937B446 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3RMA1m91162; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:10:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from puce.csi.cam.ac.uk (puce.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.40]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1257137B422 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:05:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sa264@cam.ac.uk) Received: from sa264.wolfson.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.242.14]) by puce.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14tGMY-0004qt-00; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:05:18 +0100 Received: from sa264 by sa264.wolfson.cam.ac.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14tGMY-0005MN-00; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:05:18 +0100 Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:05:18 +0100 From: sa264@cam.ac.uk Reply-To: sa264@cam.ac.uk To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: sa264@cam.ac.uk X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 Subject: docs/26905: examples/perfmon/README minor change Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26905 >Category: docs >Synopsis: examples/perfmon/README minor change >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Fri Apr 27 15:10:01 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: AMAKAWA Shuhei >Release: FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386 >Organization: Univ of Cambridge >Environment: System: FreeBSD sa264.wolfson.cam.ac.uk 4.3-STABLE FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE #14: Fri Apr 27 22:20:03 BST 2001 sa264@sa264.wolfson.cam.ac.uk:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PORTEGE i386 >Description: Alter examples/perfmon/README a bit. for clarity. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- /usr/share/examples/perfmon/README Fri Apr 27 23:32:56 2001 +++ README Fri Apr 27 22:57:38 2001 @@ -18,7 +18,8 @@ -i invert sense of count mask comparison -U n use unit mask `n' -There is one mandatory argument, which must be the number of the counter. +There is one mandatory argument, which is the event number to be +monitored, defined in . All numbers can be specified in any format acceptable to strtol(3). $FreeBSD: src/share/examples/perfmon/README,v 1.4 1999/08/28 00:19:26 peter Exp $ >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Fri Apr 27 23:15:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from bazooka.unixfreak.org (bazooka.unixfreak.org [63.198.170.138]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F6D37B424 for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dima@unixfreak.org) Received: from spike.unixfreak.org (spike [63.198.170.139]) by bazooka.unixfreak.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E213E2C; Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:15:57 -0700 (PDT) To: "Andrew R. Reiter" Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: uprintf.9 In-Reply-To: ; from arr@watson.org on "Thu, 26 Apr 2001 00:44:36 -0400 (EDT)" Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 23:15:57 -0700 From: Dima Dorfman Message-Id: <20010428061557.26E213E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Andrew R. Reiter" writes: > I was going to write this alittle over a year ago, now, but I got > lazy^H^H^H^Hsidetracked. I really think that this should be coupled along > with a few other of the functions from src/sys/kern/subr_prf.c since they > all are very closely related (besides the log() functions). > > Nevertheless, attached is the uprintf.9 man page.. I kind of just hacked > it up, so complete modification is welcome :-) Except for some minor markup issues, this looks pretty good. I think tprintf(9) and perhaps printf(9) should also be described here. Do you want to take a shot at it or shall I? Dima Dorfman dima@unixfreak.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 28 13: 7:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7CC37B424 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:07:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from localhost (arr@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3SK7iK03833; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:07:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:07:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew R. Reiter" To: Dima Dorfman Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uprintf.9 In-Reply-To: <20010428061557.26E213E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Dima Dorfman wrote: > > Except for some minor markup issues, this looks pretty good. I think > tprintf(9) and perhaps printf(9) should also be described here. Do > you want to take a shot at it or shall I? > > Dima Dorfman > dima@unixfreak.org I can take a crack at it today (this afternoon/evening) and send it over to you for review. Andrew *-------------................................................. | Andrew R. Reiter | arr@fledge.watson.org | "It requires a very unusual mind | to undertake the analysis of the obvious" -- A.N. Whitehead To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 28 13:27:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA8B37B422 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:27:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Received: from localhost (arr@localhost) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f3SKRdR04146; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:27:39 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from arr@watson.org) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:27:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew R. Reiter" To: Dima Dorfman Cc: freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uprintf.9 In-Reply-To: <20010428061557.26E213E2C@bazooka.unixfreak.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Btw, can I also get an updated copy of uprintf.9 so Im not working off my old one? Andrew On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Dima Dorfman wrote: > "Andrew R. Reiter" writes: > > I was going to write this alittle over a year ago, now, but I got > > lazy^H^H^H^Hsidetracked. I really think that this should be coupled along > > with a few other of the functions from src/sys/kern/subr_prf.c since they > > all are very closely related (besides the log() functions). > > > > Nevertheless, attached is the uprintf.9 man page.. I kind of just hacked > > it up, so complete modification is welcome :-) > > Except for some minor markup issues, this looks pretty good. I think > tprintf(9) and perhaps printf(9) should also be described here. Do > you want to take a shot at it or shall I? > > Dima Dorfman > dima@unixfreak.org > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message > *-------------................................................. | Andrew R. Reiter | arr@fledge.watson.org | "It requires a very unusual mind | to undertake the analysis of the obvious" -- A.N. Whitehead To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 28 16:58: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DD337B423; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:57:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 108D16ACBC; Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:27:09 +0930 (CST) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2001 09:27:08 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: Jesus Rodriguez Cc: scanner@jurai.net, freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: BRAINO! RFC for Vinum HOW-TO for the handbook MkII Message-ID: <20010429092708.C52871@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jesus.rodriguez@es.tiscali.com on Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 05:27:04PM +0200 Organization: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B 7B C3 8C 61 CD 54 AF 13 24 52 F8 6D A4 95 EF Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, 26 April 2001 at 17:27:04 +0200, Jesus Rodriguez wrote: > On Thu, 26 Apr 2001 scanner@jurai.net wrote: > >> >> This might help: http://www.jurai.net/~scanner/vinum-howto.html > > Sounds good to me... but Greg is the real expert :) I'm looking at it. It's a good start, but there's quite a bit which needs changing. I'll try to get back Real Soon Now. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 28 19:30: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B1037B43C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3T2U0a01196; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:30:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gnats) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4826637B43C for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3T2OmE00447; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody) Message-Id: <200104290224.f3T2OmE00447@freefall.freebsd.org> Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:24:48 -0700 (PDT) From: anand@cisco.com To: freebsd-gnats-submit@freebsd.org X-Send-Pr-Version: www-1.0 Subject: docs/26941: external link on your web page has moved. Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >Number: 26941 >Category: docs >Synopsis: external link on your web page has moved. >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: doc-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Sat Apr 28 19:30:00 PDT 2001 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Anand >Release: 4-4-1-RELEASE >Organization: Cisco >Environment: >Description: Your external link to HTMLized "Source Code" on Documentation page (http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html) has moved. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: New Link is http://minnie.tuhs.org/FreeBSD-srctree/FreeBSD.html >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 28 20: 7:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525F537B422; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3T37i410546; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:07:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:07:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104290307.f3T37i410546@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Subject: Re: misc/26742: misleading information in handbook Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: misleading information in handbook Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-doc Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 28 20:07:21 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: docs problem. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26742 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 28 20:25:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A2C937B422; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:25:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3T3PBx12690; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:25:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104290325.f3T3PBx12690@freefall.freebsd.org> To: dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-docs@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: bin/25837: [PATCH] properly document vfc_flags in getvfsent(3) Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: [PATCH] properly document vfc_flags in getvfsent(3) Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-bugs->freebsd-docs Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 28 20:25:04 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: docs problem. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=25837 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 28 20:49:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9568237B424; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3T3nBA14431; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104290349.f3T3nBA14431@freefall.freebsd.org> To: Bob@Talarian.Com, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/26881: ncr(4) makes no mention of sym(4) or relative virtues Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: ncr(4) makes no mention of sym(4) or relative virtues State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 28 20:48:40 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: xref added; rationale which edges on personal bias doesn't really belong in man pages, however. Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 28 20:48:40 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My MFC reminder. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26881 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-doc Sat Apr 28 20:55: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E3B37B422; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:55:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from dd@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f3T3t5L14934; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:55:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dd) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 20:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Message-Id: <200104290355.f3T3t5L14934@freefall.freebsd.org> To: sa264@cam.ac.uk, dd@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-doc@freebsd.org, dd@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/26905: examples/perfmon/README minor change Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Synopsis: examples/perfmon/README minor change State-Changed-From-To: open->analyzed State-Changed-By: dd State-Changed-When: Sat Apr 28 20:54:52 PDT 2001 State-Changed-Why: Committed, thanks! Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-doc->dd Responsible-Changed-By: dd Responsible-Changed-When: Sat Apr 28 20:54:52 PDT 2001 Responsible-Changed-Why: My MFC reminder. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=26905 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-doc" in the body of the message