From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 25 8:41:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from catastrophe.net (ss189-189.dvsn-chi-il.outlook.net [208.45.189.189]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 94D0937B71A for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 08:41:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eric@catastrophe.net) Received: (qmail 28528 invoked by uid 1002); 25 Mar 2001 16:41:33 -0000 Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:41:33 -0600 (CST) From: Reply-To: To: Subject: Don't you hate it when ISPs go out of business? Message-ID: Organization: http://www.catastrophe.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello folks - Well, my current ISP is going out of business. I was planning on moving to a new colo and a new set of hardware this month anyways, but am now under the gun. What is a good, cheap, motherboard that can boot w/o a console attached to it? I'm willing to spend about 140-170 on a motherboard at this point, and will upgrade as needed later. The processor is either going to be an AMD or Pentium. I'll be looking at 256-512 MB of RAM All I need is 2 PCI slots. thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Mar 25 10: 9:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd.bosa.ca (cr1003901-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.37.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F96837B719 for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:09:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kulraj@bosa.ca) Received: from ska1 (h207-230-227-196.dccnet.com [207.230.227.196]) by fbsd.bosa.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 34B0F158EB9; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:15:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001101c0b556$fad2ae60$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> From: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" To: , References: Subject: Re: Don't you hate it when ISPs go out of business? Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:11:14 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Most motherboards these days will give you the choice in BIOS to disable keyboard seek at boot. Just get confirmation of this before you buy. Having a monitor attached to boot is never necessary. You have several choices, depending on, if you plan to (or are being forced to) use a 2U rack mount chassis - some ISP's demand it. AMD is my preferred solution, here are some makeworld 4.2-Stable times (in house test) : Duron 700 - 66min Pentium III 700 - 65min Athlon Enhanced 700 - 55min I find this interesting and not because the Athlon blows away the PIII, but because the Duron came so close! Duron is dirt cheap and Athlon is still cheaper than PIII with way higher performance. If you have to use a rackmount 2U or below, then use these motherboards : 1. Any Intel 815 chipset - stable board for PIII and has onboard video, since 2U's have PCI riser cards the onboard VGA is a god send. 2. Via KM133 chipset based motherboard, Microstar makes one that I like but there must be many others - again it has onboard video. If your ISP is making no chassis demands, ie you can use a 4U or a conventional case, then although the above are still valid choices, a whole spectrum is open to you. I use a Gigabyte 7ZX Rev 5 with an Athlon 800. We sell this board for Can$179 so you should be able to pick it up for under US$120 from you local mom'n pop shop. Slap in a Duron 800 and you have a good cheap solution. Hope this helps! Kulraj Gurm www.microbiz.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Don't you hate it when ISPs go out of business? > Hello folks - > > Well, my current ISP is going out of business. I was planning on moving > to a new colo and a new set of hardware this month anyways, but am now > under the gun. > > What is a good, cheap, motherboard that can boot w/o a console attached > to it? I'm willing to spend about 140-170 on a motherboard at this > point, and will upgrade as needed later. The processor is either going > to be an AMD or Pentium. I'll be looking at 256-512 MB of RAM > > All I need is 2 PCI slots. > > thanks. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 15:29:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.nvg.com (ftp.nvg.com [199.179.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE7337B719 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:29:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (vsat-148-63-55-208.c1.sb4.mcl.starband.net [148.63.55.208]) by ftp.nvg.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03756; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: Cc: "'Michael VanLoon'" , "'Joseph Gleason'" Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:54:28 -0500 Message-ID: <006301c0b647$b8584620$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I don't doubt any of the good advice to use SCSI. I know that it = performs much better than IDE. But do I really need it right at the = beginning? I am *starting* an ISP in rural western PA with a 1.5Mbs = backbone to Sprint. For the first year I don't expect the number of = customers to exceed 600. Will that many 56K dialup users generate = enough disk i/o to reach the limits of IDE? Probably not (if I'm wrong = here please don't hesitate to correct me). These servers will primarily = host home directories that hold email and personal web pages, provide = DNS, RADIUS, and sendmail services. Apache will run on a seperate = server and will be dedicated to web hosting. Will any of these services = be highly disk intensive operations for the number of users and size of = my backbone? When my customer count increases to the point that = justifies SCSI then I'll pay the price. Is my reasoning faulty? > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael VanLoon [mailto:MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:29 PM > To: 'Joseph Gleason'; Ed Henderson; freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? >=20 >=20 > I wouldn't recommend building a server with IDE drives, but=20 > maybe that's > just me... >=20 > If I were building a production server with performance in=20 > mind, I'd go > RAID-10 (or RAID 0+1, depending on what you want to call it=20 > -- either way > it's striping without parity, on top of mirrors). I don't=20 > know of any IDE > solutions capable of doing that that. And even if there=20 > were, you couldn't > add enough drives to really make it worthwhile. >=20 > Finally, (some) SCSI RAID controllers will let you=20 > dynamically expand the > volume, if you need to add more drives later. >=20 > I have used DPT (now Adaptec) RAID controllers with great success. Be > careful because Adaptec has two lines. The line they=20 > developed themselves, > which is rather underwhelming, and the line they acquired=20 > when they bought > DPT. >=20 > > From: Joseph Gleason [mailto:clash@fireduck.com] > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:15 PM > >=20 > > I can answer at least a few questions. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Henderson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:23 > > Subject: Server MB suggestions? > >=20 > >=20 > > > I am planning to use FreeBSD as my primary OS for an ISP that I am > > starting. I am beginning my research for the best=20 > > motherboard/hardware to > > use for a production environment. One that is reliable and=20 > > performs well > > (with reliable being the number > > > one priority!). I plan to build the server myself. My=20 > > background has > > been in Solaris on Sun equipment so most of the hardware=20 > choices were > > already made for me! > [...] > > > 2. What IDE controllers do your recommend? Or would SCSI=20 > > be better (but > > more costly)? I want to use at least RAID1 mirroring for=20 > > some redundancy. > >=20 > > I strongly recommend IBM deskstar drives with Promise IDE=20 > > controlers. I > > have had great experience with those. They are fairly cheap=20 > > and have great > > performance. If you need any sort of RAID, looks into 3ware=20 > > ide raid cards > > (http://www.3ware.com/). Just remember, RAID does not=20 > > protect you from > > opperator error or hackers deleting all your files. Since=20 > > you are also > > asking about tape stuff, I assume you are aware of this. ;-) >=20 > See above... >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 15:51: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from clyde.goodleaf.net (piscator.seanet.com [199.181.165.218]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D3737B71A for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:50:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from goodleaf@clyde.goodleaf.net) Received: by clyde.goodleaf.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 205915C59; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:02:20 -0800 (PST) From: "J.Goodleaf" To: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: OT: where to buy Symbios (LSI) controllers Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:02:20 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010327000220.205915C59@clyde.goodleaf.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Can anyone suggest a vendor from which to purchase a Symbios(LSI) SCSI controller? I'm looking for something in the CDW or aberdeen inc class, one, in other words, that doesn't expect me to buy twenty at one time... Thx, John To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 15:52:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63C1637B718 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:52:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB9C418C9; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:15:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D8A18C6; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:15:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 16:15:56 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: "J.Goodleaf" Cc: hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: where to buy Symbios (LSI) controllers In-Reply-To: <20010327000220.205915C59@clyde.goodleaf.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Can anyone suggest a vendor from which to purchase a Symbios(LSI) SCSI > controller? I'm looking for something in the CDW or aberdeen inc class, one, > in other words, that doesn't expect me to buy twenty at one time... You can buy direct from Tekram. :) Rick To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 16:10: 7 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from zogbe.tasam.com (hc6526bd1.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.107.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43C737B719 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from clash@fireduck.com) Received: from blah (hc6526bd1.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.107.209]) by zogbe.tasam.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2R09vG78337; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:09:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005801c0b652$429f8d20$dc02010a@fireduck.com> From: "Joseph Gleason" To: "Michael VanLoon" , "Ed Henderson" , References: Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:09:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Some of the 3ware products will take 8 drives. If you stock it with 75gb drives that is 600gb. If you need more than that, I guess this probably isn't the solution for you. The 3ware cards will do the RAID with IDE. I don't want to start a holy war, but I really see no need for SCSI if you follow a few basic rules with your IDE drives. 1) Get good drives (IBM) 2) Get good controllers (3ware for RAID-10) or Promise cards 3) Keep it at one drive per chain. I am no hardware expert, but it is my understanding that there are major performance hits if you have two drives on a single chain. The performance on with these sort of setups are really good at a great price. # dd if=/dev/twed1 of=/dev/null bs=32k count=40960 40960+0 records in 40960+0 records out 1342177280 bytes transferred in 37.895167 secs (35418165 bytes/sec) This is a fairly heavily loaded system using a 3ware card for RAID-10 and IBM 24GB drives (7200 ata66 I think). # dd if=/dev/ad6 of=/dev/null bs=32k count=40960 40960+0 records in 40960+0 records out 1342177280 bytes transferred in 36.997196 secs (36277811 bytes/sec) This is a system with a Promise ATA100 card and a IBM 75GB ata100 7200rpm drive. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael VanLoon" To: "'Joseph Gleason'" ; "Ed Henderson" ; Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 15:29 Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? > I wouldn't recommend building a server with IDE drives, but maybe that's > just me... > > If I were building a production server with performance in mind, I'd go > RAID-10 (or RAID 0+1, depending on what you want to call it -- either way > it's striping without parity, on top of mirrors). I don't know of any IDE > solutions capable of doing that that. And even if there were, you couldn't > add enough drives to really make it worthwhile. > > Finally, (some) SCSI RAID controllers will let you dynamically expand the > volume, if you need to add more drives later. > > I have used DPT (now Adaptec) RAID controllers with great success. Be > careful because Adaptec has two lines. The line they developed themselves, > which is rather underwhelming, and the line they acquired when they bought > DPT. > > > From: Joseph Gleason [mailto:clash@fireduck.com] > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:15 PM > > > > I can answer at least a few questions. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Henderson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:23 > > Subject: Server MB suggestions? > > > > > > > I am planning to use FreeBSD as my primary OS for an ISP that I am > > starting. I am beginning my research for the best > > motherboard/hardware to > > use for a production environment. One that is reliable and > > performs well > > (with reliable being the number > > > one priority!). I plan to build the server myself. My > > background has > > been in Solaris on Sun equipment so most of the hardware choices were > > already made for me! > [...] > > > 2. What IDE controllers do your recommend? Or would SCSI > > be better (but > > more costly)? I want to use at least RAID1 mirroring for > > some redundancy. > > > > I strongly recommend IBM deskstar drives with Promise IDE > > controlers. I > > have had great experience with those. They are fairly cheap > > and have great > > performance. If you need any sort of RAID, looks into 3ware > > ide raid cards > > (http://www.3ware.com/). Just remember, RAID does not > > protect you from > > opperator error or hackers deleting all your files. Since > > you are also > > asking about tape stuff, I assume you are aware of this. ;-) > > See above... > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 16:20: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFF137B71A for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2R0I1E02747; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:18:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103270018.f2R0I1E02747@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Joseph Gleason" Cc: "Michael VanLoon" , "Ed Henderson" , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:09:57 EST." <005801c0b652$429f8d20$dc02010a@fireduck.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:18:01 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just a couple of comments: [ATA RAID] > 3) Keep it at one drive per chain. I am no hardware expert, but it is my > understanding that there are major performance hits if you have two drives > on a single chain. All of the (useful) ATA RAID controllers only put one drive on a channel, so this isn't really an issue. [earlier you said...] > > I have used DPT (now Adaptec) RAID controllers with great success. Be > > careful because Adaptec has two lines. The line they developed > themselves, > > which is rather underwhelming, and the line they acquired when they bought > > DPT. This is actually the wrong way around; the Nashua-built Adaptec RAID controllers are actually substantially better products (IMO) than the DPT models, both in terms of reliability and performance. -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 16:29:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from m-net.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [209.142.209.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0937837B718 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:29:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kb8rjy@m-net.arbornet.org) Received: from localhost (kb8rjy@localhost) by m-net.arbornet.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2R00xu59693 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:00:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from kb8rjy@m-net.arbornet.org) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:00:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Shaun Q." To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org unsubscribe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 16:34:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wlcg.com (mail.wlcg.com [207.226.17.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AC337B71B for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsimmons@wlcg.com) Received: from localhost (rsimmons@localhost) by mail.wlcg.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2R0YaU88626; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:34:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from rsimmons@wlcg.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:34:30 -0500 (EST) From: Rob Simmons To: Joseph Gleason Cc: Michael VanLoon , Ed Henderson , Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? In-Reply-To: <005801c0b652$429f8d20$dc02010a@fireduck.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Joseph Gleason wrote: > 2) Get good controllers (3ware for RAID-10) or Promise cards I was under the impression that the promise cards are not supported as raid cards. Has this changed recently? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE6v+Acv8Bofna59hYRA1AkAKDAeQW3A2d9m/goS64hAp2snFM3+wCeMsVL nRt+7zlNljZCPyuEM55EIEU= =264d -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 16:41:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 938BE37B71F for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:41:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2R0diE02907; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:39:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103270039.f2R0diE02907@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Rob Simmons Cc: Joseph Gleason , Michael VanLoon , Ed Henderson , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:34:30 EST." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:39:44 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > 2) Get good controllers (3ware for RAID-10) or Promise cards > > I was under the impression that the promise cards are not supported as > raid cards. Has this changed recently? There are two families of Promise RAID controllers; the FasTrak controllers are, the SuperTrak aren't. (I'm trying to get docco for the latter...) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 17:21:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from zogbe.tasam.com (hc6526bd1.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.107.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C773737B71F for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:21:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from clash@fireduck.com) Received: from blah (hc6526bd1.dhcp.vt.edu [198.82.107.209]) by zogbe.tasam.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f2R1JcG01369; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:19:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00a001c0b65c$29e69e40$dc02010a@fireduck.com> From: "Joseph Gleason" To: "Rob Simmons" Cc: "Michael VanLoon" , "Ed Henderson" , References: Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:16:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Joseph Gleason wrote: > > > 2) Get good controllers (3ware for RAID-10) or Promise cards > > I was under the impression that the promise cards are not supported as > raid cards. Has this changed recently? I actually didn't mean using promise for RAID. I ment for standard drives. I should have been more clear. There is a Promis RAID thing..but I have had no experience with it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 19: 4:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.nvg.com (ftp.nvg.com [199.179.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606A637B71A for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:04:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (vsat-148-63-55-208.c1.sb4.mcl.starband.net [148.63.55.208]) by ftp.nvg.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05456; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:58:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: "'Joseph Gleason'" , "'Rob Simmons'" Cc: "'Michael VanLoon'" , Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:58:00 -0500 Message-ID: <006501c0b669$c08f1e00$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-Reply-To: <00a001c0b65c$29e69e40$dc02010a@fireduck.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org For RAID 1 I could use software RAID like "vinum". What is the = processing overhead for a software RAID 1 solution? > -----Original Message----- > From: Joseph Gleason [mailto:clash@fireduck.com] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 8:16 PM > To: Rob Simmons > Cc: Michael VanLoon; Ed Henderson; freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On Mon, 26 Mar 2001, Joseph Gleason wrote: > > > > > 2) Get good controllers (3ware for RAID-10) or Promise cards > > > > I was under the impression that the promise cards are not=20 > supported as > > raid cards. Has this changed recently? >=20 > I actually didn't mean using promise for RAID. I ment for=20 > standard drives. > I should have been more clear. There is a Promis RAID=20 > thing..but I have had > no experience with it. >=20 >=20 >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 22:12:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd.bosa.ca (cr1003901-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.37.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D5A37B718 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:12:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kulraj@bosa.ca) Received: from ska1 (h207-230-227-196.dccnet.com [207.230.227.196]) by fbsd.bosa.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 297B0158EB9; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:18:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <00d201c0b684$e96ac200$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> From: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" To: "Ed Henderson" , References: <006301c0b647$b8584620$0464a8c0@pnt004> Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:12:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey Ed, You buy SCSI not for the speed but for the reliability. 6 months down the road will you be able to handle 2 or 3 day downtime if the IDE drive fails? SCSI has a much higher MTBF, thats why I use SCSI in my mission critical machines. Cheaping out has a nasty habit of coming back and biting you sometime down the road. Besides SCSI isn't that expensive anymore. Hope my two bits worth helps! Regards, Kulraj Gurm MBS Computers Ltd. ps. in case anyone is wondering MTBF : mean time between failures ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Henderson" To: Cc: "'Michael VanLoon'" ; "'Joseph Gleason'" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 2:54 PM Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? I don't doubt any of the good advice to use SCSI. I know that it performs much better than IDE. But do I really need it right at the beginning? I am *starting* an ISP in rural western PA with a 1.5Mbs backbone to Sprint. For the first year I don't expect the number of customers to exceed 600. Will that many 56K dialup users generate enough disk i/o to reach the limits of IDE? Probably not (if I'm wrong here please don't hesitate to correct me). These servers will primarily host home directories that hold email and personal web pages, provide DNS, RADIUS, and sendmail services. Apache will run on a seperate server and will be dedicated to web hosting. Will any of these services be highly disk intensive operations for the number of users and size of my backbone? When my customer count increases to the point that justifies SCSI then I'll pay the price. Is my reasoning faulty? > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael VanLoon [mailto:MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM] > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:29 PM > To: 'Joseph Gleason'; Ed Henderson; freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? > > > I wouldn't recommend building a server with IDE drives, but > maybe that's > just me... > > If I were building a production server with performance in > mind, I'd go > RAID-10 (or RAID 0+1, depending on what you want to call it > -- either way > it's striping without parity, on top of mirrors). I don't > know of any IDE > solutions capable of doing that that. And even if there > were, you couldn't > add enough drives to really make it worthwhile. > > Finally, (some) SCSI RAID controllers will let you > dynamically expand the > volume, if you need to add more drives later. > > I have used DPT (now Adaptec) RAID controllers with great success. Be > careful because Adaptec has two lines. The line they > developed themselves, > which is rather underwhelming, and the line they acquired > when they bought > DPT. > > > From: Joseph Gleason [mailto:clash@fireduck.com] > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 12:15 PM > > > > I can answer at least a few questions. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ed Henderson" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 10:23 > > Subject: Server MB suggestions? > > > > > > > I am planning to use FreeBSD as my primary OS for an ISP that I am > > starting. I am beginning my research for the best > > motherboard/hardware to > > use for a production environment. One that is reliable and > > performs well > > (with reliable being the number > > > one priority!). I plan to build the server myself. My > > background has > > been in Solaris on Sun equipment so most of the hardware > choices were > > already made for me! > [...] > > > 2. What IDE controllers do your recommend? Or would SCSI > > be better (but > > more costly)? I want to use at least RAID1 mirroring for > > some redundancy. > > > > I strongly recommend IBM deskstar drives with Promise IDE > > controlers. I > > have had great experience with those. They are fairly cheap > > and have great > > performance. If you need any sort of RAID, looks into 3ware > > ide raid cards > > (http://www.3ware.com/). Just remember, RAID does not > > protect you from > > opperator error or hackers deleting all your files. Since > > you are also > > asking about tape stuff, I assume you are aware of this. ;-) > > See above... > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 22:31:32 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cs4.cs.ait.ac.th (cs4.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E778637B719 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:31:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by cs4.cs.ait.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA13723 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:30:35 +0700 (GMT+0700) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA14395; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:31:13 +0700 (ICT) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:31:13 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200103270631.NAA14395@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Authentication-Warning: banyan.cs.ait.ac.th: on set sender to on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th using -f From: Olivier Nicole To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <00d201c0b684$e96ac200$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> (kulraj@bosa.ca) Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? References: <006301c0b647$b8584620$0464a8c0@pnt004> <00d201c0b684$e96ac200$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ed, Considered all together, a PC based solution is MUCH cheaper than a traditional Unix solution. So invest a small part of the big saving into some reliable equipment, SCSI is necessary part of it. Olivier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 22:41:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EEBB237B71B for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:41:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 77143 invoked by uid 106); 27 Mar 2001 06:41:57 -0000 Received: from 66-65-36-21.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 06:41:57 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG" Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 01:45:27 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <200103270631.NAA14395@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? Message-Id: <20010327064147.EEBB237B71B@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What hardware do I buy to prevent random reboots? like, one of my servers was up for 106 days and then rebooted. The other started rebooting daily after 5 months in service. I replaced RAM completely and it stayed up for 10 days, then rebooted again. Perhaps it's a bit too hot in the data center where my servers are, I've no idea yet. I use supermicro, giga-byte motherboards, Intel CPUs, micron RAM, Adaptec controllers, seagate SCSI drives, Intel NIC, ATI 4-8MB AGP video card. I mean, come on, the box stays up for 106 and then reboots. Logs are empty :-( -Simon On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:31:13 +0700 (ICT), Olivier Nicole wrote: >Ed, > >Considered all together, a PC based solution is MUCH cheaper than a >traditional Unix solution. > >So invest a small part of the big saving into some reliable equipment, >SCSI is necessary part of it. > >Olivier > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 22:59:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd.bosa.ca (cr1003901-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.37.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E81737B718 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:59:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kulraj@bosa.ca) Received: from ska1 (h207-230-227-196.dccnet.com [207.230.227.196]) by fbsd.bosa.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F94B158EB9; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 00:05:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <014901c0b68b$84c53540$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> From: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" To: "Simon" , References: <20010327064147.EEBB237B71B@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:59:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Have you checked the obvious. Any failed fans? Temperature OK? Other than that I'm drawing a blank - you seem to have solid hardware choices but getting Microsoft type uptimes. The only time I have seen this was on a Intel 700 computer in our co-lo, the clients CPU heatsink/fan was not properly mounted - remounted the fan and spontaneous reboot problem was solved. Purely BTW : The only thing I would do different is get IBM or Fujitsu 10K SCSI drives. IBM if speed was important, Fujitsu because they are the coolest 10K drives I've ever used - seriously my 18Gb 10000rpm Fujitsu drive doesn't even get warm. I would also use AMD CPU's but thats a personal bias! But none of this can be affecting your random reboots. Regards, Kulraj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Simon" To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 10:45 PM Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? > What hardware do I buy to prevent random reboots? like, one of my servers was up for 106 days and then rebooted. > The other started rebooting daily after 5 months in service. I replaced RAM completely and it stayed up for 10 days, then > rebooted again. Perhaps it's a bit too hot in the data center where my servers are, I've no idea yet. I use supermicro, > giga-byte motherboards, Intel CPUs, micron RAM, Adaptec controllers, seagate SCSI drives, Intel NIC, ATI 4-8MB AGP > video card. I mean, come on, the box stays up for 106 and then reboots. Logs are empty :-( > > -Simon > > On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:31:13 +0700 (ICT), Olivier Nicole wrote: > > >Ed, > > > >Considered all together, a PC based solution is MUCH cheaper than a > >traditional Unix solution. > > > >So invest a small part of the big saving into some reliable equipment, > >SCSI is necessary part of it. > > > >Olivier > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > >with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 23:19: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cs4.cs.ait.ac.th (cs4.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A494337B719 for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:19:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from on@cs.ait.ac.th) Received: from banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th [192.41.170.5]) by cs4.cs.ait.ac.th (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13934; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:18:14 +0700 (GMT+0700) Received: (from on@localhost) by banyan.cs.ait.ac.th (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA14420; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:18:54 +0700 (ICT) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:18:54 +0700 (ICT) Message-Id: <200103270718.OAA14420@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> X-Authentication-Warning: banyan.cs.ait.ac.th: on set sender to on@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th using -f From: Olivier Nicole To: simon@optinet.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG In-reply-to: <20010327064147.EEBB237B71B@hub.freebsd.org> (simon@optinet.com) Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? References: <20010327064147.EEBB237B71B@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Simon, As a rule, do put AS MANY extra fan in a PC box as possible. For a server us a BIG case (the price difference goes by few tens of $) with space for spare fan. Do mount the fan. Do mount fans blowing at the hard disks. I even have a machine with a fan suspended in the middle of the box with two strings to hold it in place. Cooling is a major issue on most of PC chassi who have not been designed for it (or else you go by brand, not by assembly). Or just open the box cover and have a table fan blow in it. Many problem will be solved. Olivier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 23:35:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from jason.argos.org (jason.argos.org [216.233.245.106]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5312937B71A for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:35:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@jason.argos.org) Received: (from mike@localhost) by jason.argos.org (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f2R7KAl23876; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:20:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:20:10 -0500 From: Mike Nowlin To: Olivier Nicole Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? Message-ID: <20010327022010.D23590@argos.org> References: <20010327064147.EEBB237B71B@hub.freebsd.org> <200103270718.OAA14420@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+B+y8wtTXqdUj1xM" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200103270718.OAA14420@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th>; from on@cs.ait.ac.th on Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 02:18:54PM +0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --+B+y8wtTXqdUj1xM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > As a rule, do put AS MANY extra fan in a PC box as possible. Agreed, but it's important to make sure you have the right balance of fans blowing in vs. blowing out. Most PC chassis have pretty poor "non-fanned" venting, and it's almost ALWAYS in the wrong spot. People tend to install fans so they blow out (it's quieter), but having too many blowing out can actually help things heat up, as the fans end up doing extra work trying to suck air in from vents that don't exist. =20 In my opinion, you want to try to have a little more pressure blowing in than blowing out - this makes the whole thing a little louder, but forces more air to move around inside the case (cooling things), and helps a lot in keeping the dust factor down. Plus, it lets you decide WHERE the air is coming in from, resulting in a lot fewer crap-clogged venting inlets. (I have several cases here that I've cut an extra 3" round hole in to add high-volume inward-blowing fans. A bit louder than normal, but the insides of these machines are really clean (I smoke), and the case temps are just slightly above room temperature.) mike --+B+y8wtTXqdUj1xM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrAPyoACgkQJol4I8h9Gd+U2wCcCpnhzP9xQeW79XFAyWmPG1Rb rx8AoMjudWz6c6PxHk5a+Jst2yHYZk0m =90Bk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+B+y8wtTXqdUj1xM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Mar 26 23:35:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8674E37B71E for ; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 23:35:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2R6qL303049; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:52:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103270652.f2R6qL303049@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Olivier Nicole Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:31:13 +0700." <200103270631.NAA14395@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:52:21 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Considered all together, a PC based solution is MUCH cheaper than a > traditional Unix solution. > > So invest a small part of the big saving into some reliable equipment, > SCSI is necessary part of it. This is very much a matter of opinion, really, and not one that many of us share. 8) -- ... every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 7:45:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from edwin.mounet.com (edwin.mounet.com [216.145.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43AE137B718 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:45:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hornback@wireco.net) Received: (qmail 22527 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2001 15:29:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomcat) (216.145.67.98) by mounet.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 15:29:02 -0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Joseph Gleason" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware" Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:46:18 -0500 Message-ID: <007001c0b6d5$101e89e0$0e00000a@tomcat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <005801c0b652$429f8d20$dc02010a@fireduck.com> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Joseph Gleason > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:10 PM > To: Michael VanLoon; Ed Henderson; freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? > > > Some of the 3ware products will take 8 drives. If you stock it with 75gb > drives that is 600gb. If you need more than that, I guess this probably > isn't the solution for you. > > The 3ware cards will do the RAID with IDE. I don't want to start a holy > war, but I really see no need for SCSI if you follow a few basic > rules with > your IDE drives. > > 1) Get good drives (IBM) Agreed. They make the best drives, hands down. > 2) Get good controllers (3ware for RAID-10) or Promise cards Agreed again, if you're doing IDE. > 3) Keep it at one drive per chain. I am no hardware expert, but it is my > understanding that there are major performance hits if you have two drives > on a single chain. That last assertion depends on the controller, the drives and the RAID schema that you are using (i.e. SCSI). Hang 4 Ultra160 drives off of a UW controller, and you're going to see performance dips. Hang 4 UW drives off of an Ultra160 controller, and you should (if configured properly) see a performance increase. You have to remember that for RAID 1 (or other mirroring setups) for every read request, you're hardware is actually doing two (or more). But, you can regain some of that performance by going to a striping schema which allows the hardware to read across more than one physical drive, utilizing higher output. --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 7:45:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from edwin.mounet.com (edwin.mounet.com [216.145.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D26737B728 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:45:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hornback@wireco.net) Received: (qmail 22554 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2001 15:29:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomcat) (216.145.67.98) by mounet.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 15:29:06 -0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Mike Smith" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware" Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:46:22 -0500 Message-ID: <007201c0b6d5$128a0ba0$0e00000a@tomcat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200103270039.f2R0diE02907@mass.dis.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Mike Smith > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:40 PM > To: Rob Simmons > Cc: Joseph Gleason; Michael VanLoon; Ed Henderson; > freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? > > > > > 2) Get good controllers (3ware for RAID-10) or Promise cards > > > > I was under the impression that the promise cards are not supported as > > raid cards. Has this changed recently? > > There are two families of Promise RAID controllers; the FasTrak > controllers are, the SuperTrak aren't. (I'm trying to get docco for the > latter...) Actually, aren't there three, including the UltraTrak, or am I hallucinating about something I saw on their site? --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 7:55:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from edwin.mounet.com (edwin.mounet.com [216.145.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72B0F37B718 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 07:55:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hornback@wireco.net) Received: (qmail 26695 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2001 15:39:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomcat) (216.145.67.98) by mounet.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 15:39:25 -0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "FreeBSD Hardware" Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 10:56:40 -0500 Message-ID: <007801c0b6d6$82f191a0$0e00000a@tomcat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200103270718.OAA14420@banyan.cs.ait.ac.th> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Olivier Nicole > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:19 AM > To: simon@optinet.com > Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? > > Simon, > > As a rule, do put AS MANY extra fan in a PC box as possible. > > For a server us a BIG case (the price difference goes by few tens of > $) with space for spare fan. Do mount the fan. > > Do mount fans blowing at the hard disks. I even have a machine with a > fan suspended in the middle of the box with two strings to hold it in > place. > > Cooling is a major issue on most of PC chassi who have not been > designed for it (or else you go by brand, not by assembly). > > Or just open the box cover and have a table fan blow in it. Many > problem will be solved. Ain't this the truth! When I worked for an ISP a while back, one of the former System Administrators (when ya take over for three part timers, you expect to clean up messes, but this was ridiculous...) had assembled a WinTel server in a completely braindead fashion. I mean, how smart is it to build a Dual Celeron Domain Controller machine with Socket 5 heatsink/fan hardware on the processors, and no other fans in the entire machine aside from the power supply? It got to the point where management didn't want to do anything that cost money to make the machine work right, and it was shutting down on a daily basis from thermal problems... So, noting that there was an air conditioning vent close to where the server was sitting, I took the side of the case and cut the bottom out of it. Replaced the side, parked the server over the AC vent and it proceeded to run like a charm... A little forethought and planning when putting together a server can go a LONG way... --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 8:17:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.nvg.com (ftp.nvg.com [199.179.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCA437B718 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:17:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (vsat-148-63-55-208.c1.sb4.mcl.starband.net [148.63.55.208]) by ftp.nvg.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA16222; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:12:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: "'Andrew C. Hornback'" , Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:11:51 -0500 Message-ID: <002e01c0b6d8$a2eb61a0$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-reply-to: <006e01c0b6d3$a3e7b540$0e00000a@tomcat> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > For the first year I don't expect the > > number of customers to exceed 600. >=20 > That's all the company that I worked for had... after 4=20 > years, and this is > in a region where you have nearly half a million in=20 > population within the > local dialing area. >=20 How much competition did you have? How did you market yourselves? > > These servers will primarily host home directories that > > hold email and personal web pages, provide DNS, RADIUS, and > > sendmail services. >=20 > Servers? If you'd like, I can give you a break-down of=20 > how we did things > at the old company (no one would mind, especially since they're out of > business now...) >=20 Any suggestions or descriptions of real live scenarios much appreciated! Thanks for your input, Ed. =20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 8:36:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from anaconda.acceleratedweb.net (anaconda.acceleratedweb.net [209.51.164.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6AEF437B719 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:36:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from simon@optinet.com) Received: (qmail 28698 invoked by uid 106); 27 Mar 2001 16:36:44 -0000 Received: from 66-65-36-21.nyc.rr.com (HELO sharky) (66.65.36.21) by anaconda.acceleratedweb.net with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 16:36:44 -0000 From: "Simon" To: "Mike Nowlin" , "Olivier Nicole" Cc: "freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org" Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 11:40:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Simon" X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: <20010327022010.D23590@argos.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? Message-Id: <20010327163635.6AEF437B719@hub.freebsd.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, first, all my servers have dual PIII CPU, if that matters. Second, i have a 4U rackmount chassis with 1x 12CM in front ( on the side) blowing in, 2x 8CM blowing out in the back and of course PS fan also blowing out. The CPU fans (retail intel, btw) are running too. My CPU temps go as high as CPU1 43C CPU2 48C . Can you guys provide readings of your CPU temps in such boxes as mine so I could compare them. My current temps CPU1/2: 38C/41.5C Thanks, Simon On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:20:10 -0500, Mike Nowlin wrote: >> As a rule, do put AS MANY extra fan in a PC box as possible. > >Agreed, but it's important to make sure you have the right balance of fans >blowing in vs. blowing out. Most PC chassis have pretty poor "non-fanned" >venting, and it's almost ALWAYS in the wrong spot. People tend to install >fans so they blow out (it's quieter), but having too many blowing out can >actually help things heat up, as the fans end up doing extra work trying to >suck air in from vents that don't exist. =20 > >In my opinion, you want to try to have a little more pressure blowing in >than blowing out - this makes the whole thing a little louder, but forces >more air to move around inside the case (cooling things), and helps a lot in >keeping the dust factor down. Plus, it lets you decide WHERE the air is >coming in from, resulting in a lot fewer crap-clogged venting inlets. > >(I have several cases here that I've cut an extra 3" round hole in to add >high-volume inward-blowing fans. A bit louder than normal, but the insides >of these machines are really clean (I smoke), and the case temps are just >slightly above room temperature.) > >mike > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 9: 1:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from edwin.mounet.com (edwin.mounet.com [216.145.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88A3037B719 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:01:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hornback@wireco.net) Received: (qmail 21826 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2001 16:45:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomcat) (216.145.67.98) by mounet.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 16:45:11 -0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Ed Henderson" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware" Subject: ISP tips and tricks (was :RE: Server MB suggestions?) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:02:24 -0500 Message-ID: <00a601c0b6df$b1e65b40$0e00000a@tomcat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <002e01c0b6d8$a2eb61a0$0464a8c0@pnt004> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm thinking this probably should be cross-posted to the ISP list, but I'm not on there... > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Ed Henderson > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 11:12 AM > To: 'Andrew C. Hornback'; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? > > > > > For the first year I don't expect the > > > number of customers to exceed 600. > > > > That's all the company that I worked for had... after 4 > > years, and this is > > in a region where you have nearly half a million in > > population within the > > local dialing area. > > How much competition did you have? How did you market yourselves? Aside from the superregional stuff like AOL, Sprint, Mindspring, AT&T... there were about 4 other good sized ISPs in this area. The one that I worked for went under, another one has been bought out since I left... Marketing was a joke, the whole setup, really, was doomed from the get-go... management had no clue how to run an ISP, and didn't need to get into that sort of business. It all started out when the co-owner and his buddy decided to start a web page design company, and figured they needed a way to store the pages they created... *shakes his head* > > > These servers will primarily host home directories that > > > hold email and personal web pages, provide DNS, RADIUS, and > > > sendmail services. > > > > Servers? If you'd like, I can give you a break-down of > > how we did things > > at the old company (no one would mind, especially since they're out of > > business now...) > > Any suggestions or descriptions of real live scenarios much appreciated! Realize, before I start, this was an all MS/NT shop. It was already in place (and paid for, or so I thought) when I got there... When I walked in the door, 2 of the 5 servers were actually doing something. The other three were configured, on the network (10 Base T and hub powered), and sitting idle. I set about fixing that, and ended up with: Main PDC - handling primary DNS and secondary authentication (USR RADIUS implementation backended with an Access DB) Main BDC - handling secondary DNS and primary authentication Member server 1 - handling user e-mail and user web-hosting Second PDC - handling hosted web domains and their e-mail accounts Second BDC - used as a workstation, no less, at the reception desk Member server 2 - secondary web domain hosting machine (IIS seems to have problems with hosting a large number of domains with dedicated IPs on the same box). The Main PDC also was the machine that did all of the user accounting. I was running syslogd on both the Main PDC and BDC machines, since NT has no native syslog service (d0h!). None of them were overtaxed, as the limiting factor of the installation was the network, which benefitted from being upgraded to a 10/100 switch. This is the way it was when I left... Hope this helps, --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 12: 3:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ecx1.edifecs.com (mail.edifecs.com [207.153.149.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C166E37B718; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:03:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MichaelV@EDIFECS.COM) Received: by ecx1.edifecs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:06:24 -0800 Message-ID: From: Michael VanLoon To: "'Andrew C. Hornback'" , Joseph Gleason Cc: FreeBSD Hardware , 'Ed Henderson' , 'Mike Smith' Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:06:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > From: Andrew C. Hornback [mailto:hornback@wireco.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:46 AM > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of > Joseph Gleason > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 7:10 PM > > To: Michael VanLoon; Ed Henderson; freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > > Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? > > > > Some of the 3ware products will take 8 drives. If you > stock it with 75gb > > drives that is 600gb. If you need more than that, I guess > this probably > > isn't the solution for you. > > > > The 3ware cards will do the RAID with IDE. I don't want to > start a holy > > war, but I really see no need for SCSI if you follow a few basic > > rules with > > your IDE drives. > > > > 1) Get good drives (IBM) > > Agreed. They make the best drives, hands down. Also agreed. > > 3) Keep it at one drive per chain. I am no hardware > expert, but it is my > > understanding that there are major performance hits if you > have two drives > > on a single chain. > > That last assertion depends on the controller, the > drives and the RAID > schema that you are using (i.e. SCSI). > > Hang 4 Ultra160 drives off of a UW controller, and > you're going to see > performance dips. Hang 4 UW drives off of an Ultra160 > controller, and you > should (if configured properly) see a performance increase. Not sure what you were trying to say here... :-) > You have to remember that for RAID 1 (or other > mirroring setups) for every > read request, you're hardware is actually doing two (or > more). But, you can > regain some of that performance by going to a striping schema > which allows > the hardware to read across more than one physical drive, > utilizing higher > output. I think you have that backwards. Reading mirrors, with a good controller, increases performance, not decreases. A good hardware RAID controller will interleave read requests from mirrored drives so you can approach double the read throughput of a single drive. And writes should be the same speed (roughly) writing to two drives as one, since they're simultaneous. Of course in reality, bus bandwidth comes into play, and is one of the reasons lots of installations install each pair of mirrored drives on separate SCSI busses. Here are the benefits of SCSI hardware RAID over IDE RAID: - More performance with lots of drives, both because you can have more drives on more busses, and because the RAID is actually happening on the controller (many IDE "hardware" RAID controllers do only the basic work needed, and much is still done in the BIOS or the OS). - More extensible. With a 3-bus SCSI controller you can hang up to 45 devices off it. It's pretty easy to max out an IDE RAID controller and have nowhere to go. - More easily extensible. A good hardware RAID controller will allow you to do dynamic expansion of the volume. I.e., throw a couple more drives on, tell the controller to expand it, it does so in the background, rearranging the pieces of the array for optimum performance, and viola, you have a larger virtual drive. Then you just need to use the OS to either expand the filesystem/partition (i.e. growfs), or add a new one. - Reliability. SCSI drives are simply more reliable. IDE drives are made with cost as the primary requirement. They fail more often. Please don't flame me on this. Yes, SCSI drives fail, and yes lots of IDE drives last a long time, but over a large sample, it's pretty much a fact that IDE drives have more failures than SCSI drives. On the other hand, yes modern IDE drives are fairly well built, pretty fast, and cheap cheap cheap. Balance as your needs, comfort level and budget can accommodate. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 12:50:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from edwin.mounet.com (edwin.mounet.com [216.145.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64D1137B718 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 12:50:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hornback@wireco.net) Received: (qmail 17677 invoked by uid 0); 27 Mar 2001 20:34:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomcat) (216.145.67.151) by mounet.com with SMTP; 27 Mar 2001 20:34:35 -0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Michael VanLoon" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware" Subject: SCSI vs. IDE (not a flame war. Was: RE: Server MB suggestions?) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:51:46 -0500 Message-ID: <00bc01c0b6ff$bc9263c0$0e00000a@tomcat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Michael VanLoon > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:06 PM > To: 'Andrew C. Hornback'; Joseph Gleason > Cc: FreeBSD Hardware; 'Ed Henderson'; 'Mike Smith' > Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? > > > > 3) Keep it at one drive per chain. I am no hardware > > expert, but it is my > > > understanding that there are major performance hits if you > > have two drives > > > on a single chain. > > > > That last assertion depends on the controller, the > > drives and the RAID > > schema that you are using (i.e. SCSI). > > > > Hang 4 Ultra160 drives off of a UW controller, and > > you're going to see > > performance dips. Hang 4 UW drives off of an Ultra160 > > controller, and you > > should (if configured properly) see a performance increase. > > Not sure what you were trying to say here... :-) Basically, the limiting factor in disk subsystem performance is the controller. Once you run the controller out of bandwidth, you have basically exhausted the controller to it's performance threshold. Example: 4 drives that can burst at 160 MB/s on a controller that can handle a sustained 40 MB/s transfer is going to limit the drives, no matter how fast they are, to a maximum of 40 MB/s. However; 4 drives that can burst at 40 MB/s on a controller that can handle a sustained 160 MB/s transfer will show no direct performance threshold, given that not all of your drives are going to be bursting at the same time (unless they're made by Quantum, which is a whole different e-mail thread) > > You have to remember that for RAID 1 (or other > > mirroring setups) for every > > read request, you're hardware is actually doing two (or > > more). But, you can > > regain some of that performance by going to a striping schema > > which allows > > the hardware to read across more than one physical drive, > > utilizing higher > > output. > > I think you have that backwards. Reading mirrors, with a good controller, > increases performance, not decreases. A good hardware RAID > controller will > interleave read requests from mirrored drives so you can approach > double the > read throughput of a single drive. Going by the manual for my AMI controller, and from personal experience of having implemented such systems, that's not true. Running a mirrored pair, depending on the way that the controller is configured to read, can give performance at the level of a single drive or below, not above. > And writes should be the same speed (roughly) writing to two > drives as one, > since they're simultaneous. Of course in reality, bus bandwidth > comes into > play, and is one of the reasons lots of installations install each pair of > mirrored drives on separate SCSI busses. The one drive per bus for a mirror is for a couple of reasons. Most controllers have a specific chipset dedicated to each channel. The idea of placing one drive on each bus/channel is so that if you have a hardware failure on the controller, and one of the chips dies, you still have a running machine. Additionally, it's how the drives are matched to the controller. Back to my previous example, if you stick a pair of 80 MB/s drives on an 80 MB/s controller on the same bus, you're not going to be running it at full-bore performance. Additionally, the whole basis behind RAID is to be redundant, in case of hardware failure, so, it would make sense in that application to put one drive on each bus. However, I have always considered RAID 5 to be a more viable alternative, as it utilizes the hardware better. [Much welcomed lauding of SCSI over IDE snipped for brevity] > On the other hand, yes modern IDE drives are fairly well built, > pretty fast, > and cheap cheap cheap. Balance as your needs, comfort level and > budget can > accommodate. Modern IDE drives are fairly well built, but SCSI is still light years ahead, as far as I'm concerned. SCSI has blazed the trail that IDE now follows with higher spindle speeds, higher levels of onboard cache, increased reliability, higher throughput speeds, etc. This could be likened to the Chrysler being followed by Lexus (since they're always in pursuit of perfection), or the whole MS/Linux/FreeBSD thing : "Where would you like to go today? / Where would you like to go tomorrow? / Took ya long enough to get here!" *grins* --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 13:30:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from web13208.mail.yahoo.com (web13208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C725837B71E for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:30:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eduhuertas@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010327213042.62851.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [216.72.28.15] by web13208.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:30:42 CST Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:30:42 -0600 (CST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Eduardo=20Huertas?= Subject: CD-Writer HP-9600si To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi everybody, I would like to know if the CD-Writer hp-9600si will work fine on my Freebsd 3.5-STABLE. I looked at the archives and only found hp-9200. Any sugestions? Thanks for your attention and your support. -edu- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Obtenga su dirección de correo-e gratis @yahoo.com en http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 13:35:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from heorot.1nova.com (sub24-23.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.24.23]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B28837B71E for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 13:35:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hamellr@1nova.com) Received: by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1E0BD18C9; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:59:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heorot.1nova.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1548518C6; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:59:12 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 13:59:11 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hamell To: =?iso-8859-1?q?Eduardo=20Huertas?= Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: CD-Writer HP-9600si In-Reply-To: <20010327213042.62851.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I would like to know if the CD-Writer hp-9600si will > work fine on my Freebsd > 3.5-STABLE. > > I looked at the archives and only found hp-9200. > > Any sugestions? > > Thanks for your attention and your support. I have a 8100i that worked fine under 3.5 - 4.2... functionally there is little difference between all the drives. :) Rick ******************************************************************* Rick's FreeBSD Web page http://heorot.1nova.com/freebsd Ace Logan's Hardware Guide http://www.shatteredcrystal.net/hardware ***FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 14: 1:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFC7937B719; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:01:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2RM1fu53809; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:01:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:01:41 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: Cc: Subject: overheated PIII/KATMAI in SMP system Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear Sirs. I need a little bit help and some technical hints. One of our SMP servers, a FreeBSD 4.-RC box, is not willing to compile a world. It faults with SIG 11. The problem is caused by a overheated Intel Pentium III/600MHz with KATMAI core. The main PCB is a ASUS P2B-D. Rear CPU slot is CPU 0. the inner slot is for CPU 1. Today I swapped both CPUs and equipted both with expensive fans and coolers. The case has a very, very good air circulation, the rear is ventilated by two additional 80mm collers. Secanrio: CPU 1, in the last configuration the inner one, has a temperature of about 32 -38 degrees Celsius. The outer one, CPU 0 has 50 degress and up!! Yesterday I took measuremnets with swapped CPUs, and figured out, that CPU 1, the inner one has 50 degrees and the outer one, CPU 0 has only 30 to 40 degress. I switched kernel from SMP to UP and ran the system while compiling a world. Both CPUs were not over 35 degress Celsius! Then I compiled a SMP kernel again and tryed to start make world. CPU 0, the outer one, has now constantly about 50 degress Celsius. Well, due the fact of changing fan and coller elements by better ones one fan is very close to the next SECC-2 case of CPU 1 (the inner one). This handicaped fan is for CPU 0, the overheated one. But yesterday exactly this CPU has the place of the "cooler" CPU, the inner one, so I think not that this could be a real heatsink problem. I think the problem has to be targeted either by the mainboard (maybe some kind of weakness in voltage regulation? But why only in SMP mode of the kernel and not in UP mode?). Or the CPU has some faults. I switched again to UP kernel to see, whether temeprature is decreasing or not. this is the actual output of "healthd -d -I" and "heat" as it reflects the configuration at this moment: HEAT: System Temperature 69F (21.0C) CPU1 Temperature 125F (52.0C) CPU2 Temperature 95F (35.5C) FAN2 314 RPMs (functional) FAN3 312 RPMs (functional) HEALTHD: ************************ * Hardware Information * ************************ Asus: AS97127F ************************ Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5113, 4821 Vcore = 2.08, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.92, 12.04, -11.77, -5.11 Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5357, 4963 Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.89, 12.04, -11.77, -5.11 Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5113, 4963 Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.89, 11.98, -11.77, -5.11 yesterday these values were vise-versa with exchanged CPUs ... Please tell me your opinion: should I exchange mainboard first or the suspected CPU? Thanks, oliver -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 14:15:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from nofx.eagle.ca (nofx.eagle.ca [209.167.61.194]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F168537B77B; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:15:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danh@nofx.eagle.ca) Received: from localhost (danh@localhost) by nofx.eagle.ca (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2RMCC004413; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:12:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from danh@nofx.eagle.ca) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:12:11 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan H." To: "Hartmann, O." Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: overheated PIII/KATMAI in SMP system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings, Have you ever flashed the BIOS on the Asus motherboard? I know there was a bug in a Asus motherboards that gave incorrect (or at least very far off the correct temp.) CPU temperatures due to sloppy code in the BIOS, and bad placement of the termperature sensor. So, are you using the BIOS temperature readings? If so, check the Asus site for BIOS updates, that may fix the above. I doubt it's the CPU, especially if it's the motherboard that you are getting the temperature readings from. Good luck! --Dan On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Hartmann, O. wrote: > > Dear Sirs. > > I need a little bit help and some technical hints. > > One of our SMP servers, a FreeBSD 4.-RC box, is not willing > to compile a world. It faults with SIG 11. > > The problem is caused by a overheated Intel Pentium III/600MHz > with KATMAI core. > > The main PCB is a ASUS P2B-D. Rear CPU slot is CPU 0. the inner > slot is for CPU 1. Today I swapped both CPUs and equipted both with > expensive fans and coolers. The case has a very, very good air > circulation, the rear is ventilated by two additional 80mm collers. > > Secanrio: CPU 1, in the last configuration the inner one, has a > temperature of about 32 -38 degrees Celsius. The outer one, CPU 0 > has 50 degress and up!! Yesterday I took measuremnets with swapped > CPUs, and figured out, that CPU 1, the inner one has 50 degrees and > the outer one, CPU 0 has only 30 to 40 degress. > > I switched kernel from SMP to UP and ran the system while compiling > a world. Both CPUs were not over 35 degress Celsius! > > Then I compiled a SMP kernel again and tryed to start make world. > CPU 0, the outer one, has now constantly about 50 degress Celsius. > > Well, due the fact of changing fan and coller elements by better ones > one fan is very close to the next SECC-2 case of CPU 1 (the inner one). > This handicaped fan is for CPU 0, the overheated one. But yesterday > exactly this CPU has the place of the "cooler" CPU, the inner one, > so I think not that this could be a real heatsink problem. > > I think the problem has to be targeted either by the mainboard (maybe > some kind of weakness in voltage regulation? But why only in SMP > mode of the kernel and not in UP mode?). Or the CPU has some faults. > > I switched again to UP kernel to see, whether temeprature is decreasing > or not. > > this is the actual output of "healthd -d -I" and "heat" as it reflects the > configuration at this moment: > > > HEAT: > System Temperature 69F (21.0C) > CPU1 Temperature 125F (52.0C) > CPU2 Temperature 95F (35.5C) > FAN2 314 RPMs (functional) > FAN3 312 RPMs (functional) > > > HEALTHD: > > ************************ > * Hardware Information * > ************************ > Asus: AS97127F > ************************ > > Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5113, 4821 > Vcore = 2.08, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.92, 12.04, -11.77, -5.11 > Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5357, 4963 > Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.89, 12.04, -11.77, -5.11 > Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5113, 4963 > Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.89, 11.98, -11.77, -5.11 > > > yesterday these values were vise-versa with exchanged CPUs ... > > > Please tell me your opinion: should I exchange mainboard first or the suspected CPU? > > Thanks, > > oliver > > -- > MfG > O. Hartmann > > ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz > Becherweg 21 > 55099 Mainz > > Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) > Tel: +496131/3924144 > FAX: +496131/3923532 > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 14:23: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673D537B719; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:22:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Received: from klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE (klima.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.162]) by klima.physik.uni-mainz.de (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f2RMMm952455; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:22:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 00:22:48 +0200 (CEST) From: "Hartmann, O." To: "Dan H." Cc: , Subject: Re: overheated PIII/KATMAI in SMP system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Dan H. wrote: Hello. The BIOS ist the newest BIOS I got (1012B). There is no newer BIOS. I know that the temperature sensors on main PCBs are very "sloppy", but it is simply a kind of indicator for me why our server has permanently SIG 11 errors when compiling a world (FreeBSD world). Assuming that the error on each sensor is linear, it reflects that one CPU produces much more heat in SMP mode than the others; this is the output from now, UP-kernel, compiling world: i healthd: ************************ * Hardware Information * ************************ Asus: AS97127F ************************ Temp.= 21.0, 32.5, 34.0; Rot.= 0, 4963, 4753 Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.20, 4.95, 11.98, -11.66, -5.09 Temp.= 21.0, 32.5, 34.0; Rot.= 0, 5192, 4963 Vcore = 2.08, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.95, 12.04, -11.66, -5.09 heat: ystem Temperature 69F (21.0C) CPU1 Temperature 91F (33.0C) CPU2 Temperature 94F (34.5C) FAN2 310 RPMs (functional) FAN3 310 RPMs (functional) This problem occured several days ago ... it came suddenly ... :>Greetings, :> :>Have you ever flashed the BIOS on the Asus motherboard? :> :>I know there was a bug in a Asus motherboards that gave incorrect (or at :>least very far off the correct temp.) CPU temperatures due to sloppy :>code in the BIOS, and bad placement of the termperature sensor. :> :>So, are you using the BIOS temperature readings? If so, check the Asus :>site for BIOS updates, that may fix the above. :> :>I doubt it's the CPU, especially if it's the motherboard that you are :>getting the temperature readings from. :> :>Good luck! :> :> :>--Dan :> :> :> :> :> :>On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Hartmann, O. wrote: :> :>> :>> Dear Sirs. :>> :>> I need a little bit help and some technical hints. :>> :>> One of our SMP servers, a FreeBSD 4.-RC box, is not willing :>> to compile a world. It faults with SIG 11. :>> :>> The problem is caused by a overheated Intel Pentium III/600MHz :>> with KATMAI core. :>> :>> The main PCB is a ASUS P2B-D. Rear CPU slot is CPU 0. the inner :>> slot is for CPU 1. Today I swapped both CPUs and equipted both with :>> expensive fans and coolers. The case has a very, very good air :>> circulation, the rear is ventilated by two additional 80mm collers. :>> :>> Secanrio: CPU 1, in the last configuration the inner one, has a :>> temperature of about 32 -38 degrees Celsius. The outer one, CPU 0 :>> has 50 degress and up!! Yesterday I took measuremnets with swapped :>> CPUs, and figured out, that CPU 1, the inner one has 50 degrees and :>> the outer one, CPU 0 has only 30 to 40 degress. :>> :>> I switched kernel from SMP to UP and ran the system while compiling :>> a world. Both CPUs were not over 35 degress Celsius! :>> :>> Then I compiled a SMP kernel again and tryed to start make world. :>> CPU 0, the outer one, has now constantly about 50 degress Celsius. :>> :>> Well, due the fact of changing fan and coller elements by better ones :>> one fan is very close to the next SECC-2 case of CPU 1 (the inner one). :>> This handicaped fan is for CPU 0, the overheated one. But yesterday :>> exactly this CPU has the place of the "cooler" CPU, the inner one, :>> so I think not that this could be a real heatsink problem. :>> :>> I think the problem has to be targeted either by the mainboard (maybe :>> some kind of weakness in voltage regulation? But why only in SMP :>> mode of the kernel and not in UP mode?). Or the CPU has some faults. :>> :>> I switched again to UP kernel to see, whether temeprature is decreasing :>> or not. :>> :>> this is the actual output of "healthd -d -I" and "heat" as it reflects the :>> configuration at this moment: :>> :>> :>> HEAT: :>> System Temperature 69F (21.0C) :>> CPU1 Temperature 125F (52.0C) :>> CPU2 Temperature 95F (35.5C) :>> FAN2 314 RPMs (functional) :>> FAN3 312 RPMs (functional) :>> :>> :>> HEALTHD: :>> :>> ************************ :>> * Hardware Information * :>> ************************ :>> Asus: AS97127F :>> ************************ :>> :>> Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5113, 4821 :>> Vcore = 2.08, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.92, 12.04, -11.77, -5.11 :>> Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5357, 4963 :>> Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.89, 12.04, -11.77, -5.11 :>> Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5113, 4963 :>> Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.89, 11.98, -11.77, -5.11 :>> :>> :>> yesterday these values were vise-versa with exchanged CPUs ... :>> :>> :>> Please tell me your opinion: should I exchange mainboard first or the suspected CPU? :>> :>> Thanks, :>> :>> oliver :>> :>> -- :>> MfG :>> O. Hartmann :>> :>> ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de :>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- :>> IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) :>> ---------------------------------------------------------------- :>> Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz :>> Becherweg 21 :>> 55099 Mainz :>> :>> Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) :>> Tel: +496131/3924144 :>> FAX: +496131/3923532 :>> :>> :>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org :>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message :>> :> :> -- MfG O. Hartmann ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de ---------------------------------------------------------------- IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) ---------------------------------------------------------------- Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz Becherweg 21 55099 Mainz Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) Tel: +496131/3924144 FAX: +496131/3923532 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 15: 5:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09BF37B718; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:05:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: from mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (cdillon@mail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.1]) by mail.wolves.k12.mo.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA00621; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:05:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:05:29 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: "Hartmann, O." Cc: , Subject: Re: overheated PIII/KATMAI in SMP system In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Hartmann, O. wrote: > Well, due the fact of changing fan and coller elements by better > ones one fan is very close to the next SECC-2 case of CPU 1 (the > inner one). This handicaped fan is for CPU 0, the overheated one. > But yesterday exactly this CPU has the place of the "cooler" CPU, > the inner one, so I think not that this could be a real heatsink > problem. > > I think the problem has to be targeted either by the mainboard > (maybe some kind of weakness in voltage regulation? But why only > in SMP mode of the kernel and not in UP mode?). Or the CPU has > some faults. FreeBSD HALTs the CPU while it is idle in UP mode, which can allow it to cool down if you are not doing anything. If the CPU is 100% utilized in UP mode, or if you are using SMP (even if not 100% utilized), the CPU is not HALTed. It isn't the operating system's fault that the CPU is overheating, it is always due to inadequate cooling. You mentioned the airflow for the overheating CPU is "handicapped", and that is most certainly the problem. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us - cdillon@inter-linc.net FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet. For IA32 and Alpha architectures. IA64, PPC, and ARM under development. http://www.freebsd.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 15:26: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from ftp.nvg.com (ftp.nvg.com [199.179.254.6]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0E3D37B718; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 15:25:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net) Received: from pnt004 (vsat-148-63-55-208.c1.sb4.mcl.starband.net [148.63.55.208]) by ftp.nvg.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11056; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:19:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Ed Henderson" To: "'Michael VanLoon'" , "'Andrew C. Hornback'" , "'Joseph Gleason'" Cc: "'FreeBSD Hardware'" , "'Mike Smith'" Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:19:00 -0500 Message-ID: <003101c0b714$4ec47260$0464a8c0@pnt004> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, OK!!! I give in I'm going SCSI (small cheer from the cheap seats!). = Here is what I'm going to use: 1. Lets assume for now that I will use a standard 2 channel SCSI = controller (non-RAID) and will use software RAID-1 with one 36GB drive = on each channel. Any controller recommendations? 2. What drives do you recommend - manufacturer, model. 3. Should I go for 160MB/s or stick with 80MB/s drives? I am trying to = be reasonable in cost. 4. I plan to have an external DDS-4 DAT tape drive attached to one of = the channels. Any suggestions? Many thanks to all contributors! Ed. >=20 > I think you have that backwards. Reading mirrors, with a=20 > good controller, > increases performance, not decreases. A good hardware RAID=20 > controller will > interleave read requests from mirrored drives so you can=20 > approach double the > read throughput of a single drive. >=20 > And writes should be the same speed (roughly) writing to two=20 > drives as one, > since they're simultaneous. Of course in reality, bus=20 > bandwidth comes into > play, and is one of the reasons lots of installations install=20 > each pair of > mirrored drives on separate SCSI busses. >=20 > Here are the benefits of SCSI hardware RAID over IDE RAID: >=20 > - More performance with lots of drives, both because you can have more > drives on more busses, and because the RAID is actually=20 > happening on the > controller (many IDE "hardware" RAID controllers do only the=20 > basic work > needed, and much is still done in the BIOS or the OS). >=20 > - More extensible. With a 3-bus SCSI controller you can hang up to 45 > devices off it. It's pretty easy to max out an IDE RAID=20 > controller and have > nowhere to go. >=20 > - More easily extensible. A good hardware RAID controller=20 > will allow you to > do dynamic expansion of the volume. I.e., throw a couple=20 > more drives on, > tell the controller to expand it, it does so in the=20 > background, rearranging > the pieces of the array for optimum performance, and viola, you have a > larger virtual drive. Then you just need to use the OS to=20 > either expand the > filesystem/partition (i.e. growfs), or add a new one. >=20 > - Reliability. SCSI drives are simply more reliable. IDE=20 > drives are made > with cost as the primary requirement. They fail more often. =20 > Please don't > flame me on this. Yes, SCSI drives fail, and yes lots of IDE=20 > drives last a > long time, but over a large sample, it's pretty much a fact=20 > that IDE drives > have more failures than SCSI drives. >=20 > On the other hand, yes modern IDE drives are fairly well=20 > built, pretty fast, > and cheap cheap cheap. Balance as your needs, comfort level=20 > and budget can > accommodate. >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 17:26: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4B237B71B for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:26:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2S1Ph701201; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:25:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103280125.f2S1Ph701201@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "Ed Henderson" Cc: "'FreeBSD Hardware'" Subject: Re: Server MB suggestions? In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 27 Mar 2001 18:19:00 EST." <003101c0b714$4ec47260$0464a8c0@pnt004> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:25:43 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > OK, OK!!! I give in I'm going SCSI (small cheer from the cheap seats!).= Here is what I'm going to use: > 1. Lets assume for now that I will use a standard 2 channel SCSI contr= oller (non-RAID) and will use software RAID-1 with one 36GB drive on each= channel. Any controller recommendations? I'm going to bow out here with one last comment; you're buying "high end"= philosophy for a "low end" application, and mixing and matching drastically inappropriate technologies. (If you want my advice; get a 3ware 6200 and a pair of Maxtor 80GB drives= = in hotswap bays, and spend some time worrying about something else.) -- = =2E.. every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 22:10:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd.bosa.ca (cr1003901-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.37.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B59A37B719 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:10:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kulraj@bosa.ca) Received: from ska1 (h207-230-227-196.dccnet.com [207.230.227.196]) by fbsd.bosa.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 16FC8158EB9 for ; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:17:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003001c0b74e$698aa580$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> From: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" To: Subject: 4.3-RC - improved IDE support? Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 22:14:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A few days ago I asked for advice to resolve this : ad0: 29319MB [59570/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA66 Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a da0 at sym0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-3 device da0: 40.000MB/s transfers (20.000MHz, offset 15, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8748MB (17916240 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1115C) ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 2111 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 2111 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 2111 retrying ad0: UDMA ICRC WRITE ERROR blk# 2111 falling back to PIO mode the unanimous feedback was that I should get an IBM IDE hard drive (the SCSI is already IBM). Well a strange thing happened, on whim (and since this is not a production server yet) I upgraded my system to 4.3-RC and now the system has no complaints on boot. I am still upgrading to an IBM hard drive, but would love to find out what is different in 4.3-RC thats resolved this? Kulraj Gurm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Mar 27 23:46:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.169.15]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6304E37B719; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:46:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) Received: from tedm.placo.com (nat-rtr.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com [206.29.168.154]) by mail.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2S7kBk50109; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:46:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tedm@toybox.placo.com) From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" To: "Hartmann, O." , Cc: Subject: RE: overheated PIII/KATMAI in SMP system Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 23:46:10 -0800 Message-ID: <005401c0b75b$28208260$1401a8c0@tedm.placo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org It is certainly possible to have a CPU failure that results in a CPU constantly overheating. In fact I've seen some components to where they are fine until the day that they overheat, and from that point on they will always overheat. If you swapped the CPU's and the overheating follows the CPU then most likely that CPU is bad and needs replacement. Ted Mittelstaedt tedm@toybox.placo.com Author of: The FreeBSD Corporate Networker's Guide Book website: http://www.freebsd-corp-net-guide.com >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Hartmann, O. >Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:02 PM >To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG >Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG >Subject: overheated PIII/KATMAI in SMP system > > > >Dear Sirs. > >I need a little bit help and some technical hints. > >One of our SMP servers, a FreeBSD 4.-RC box, is not willing >to compile a world. It faults with SIG 11. > >The problem is caused by a overheated Intel Pentium III/600MHz >with KATMAI core. > >The main PCB is a ASUS P2B-D. Rear CPU slot is CPU 0. the inner >slot is for CPU 1. Today I swapped both CPUs and equipted both with >expensive fans and coolers. The case has a very, very good air >circulation, the rear is ventilated by two additional 80mm collers. > >Secanrio: CPU 1, in the last configuration the inner one, has a >temperature of about 32 -38 degrees Celsius. The outer one, CPU 0 >has 50 degress and up!! Yesterday I took measuremnets with swapped >CPUs, and figured out, that CPU 1, the inner one has 50 degrees and >the outer one, CPU 0 has only 30 to 40 degress. > >I switched kernel from SMP to UP and ran the system while compiling >a world. Both CPUs were not over 35 degress Celsius! > >Then I compiled a SMP kernel again and tryed to start make world. >CPU 0, the outer one, has now constantly about 50 degress Celsius. > >Well, due the fact of changing fan and coller elements by better ones >one fan is very close to the next SECC-2 case of CPU 1 (the inner one). >This handicaped fan is for CPU 0, the overheated one. But yesterday >exactly this CPU has the place of the "cooler" CPU, the inner one, >so I think not that this could be a real heatsink problem. > >I think the problem has to be targeted either by the mainboard (maybe >some kind of weakness in voltage regulation? But why only in SMP >mode of the kernel and not in UP mode?). Or the CPU has some faults. > >I switched again to UP kernel to see, whether temeprature is decreasing >or not. > >this is the actual output of "healthd -d -I" and "heat" as it reflects the >configuration at this moment: > > >HEAT: >System Temperature 69F (21.0C) >CPU1 Temperature 125F (52.0C) >CPU2 Temperature 95F (35.5C) >FAN2 314 RPMs (functional) >FAN3 312 RPMs (functional) > > >HEALTHD: > >************************ >* Hardware Information * >************************ >Asus: AS97127F >************************ > >Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5113, 4821 >Vcore = 2.08, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.92, 12.04, -11.77, -5.11 >Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5357, 4963 >Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.89, 12.04, -11.77, -5.11 >Temp.= 21.0, 52.0, 35.5; Rot.= 0, 5113, 4963 >Vcore = 2.06, 2.05; Volt. = 3.22, 4.89, 11.98, -11.77, -5.11 > > >yesterday these values were vise-versa with exchanged CPUs ... > > >Please tell me your opinion: should I exchange mainboard first or >the suspected CPU? > >Thanks, > >oliver > >-- >MfG >O. Hartmann > >ohartman@klima.physik.uni-mainz.de >---------------------------------------------------------------- >IT-Administration des Institut fuer Physik der Atmosphaere (IPA) >---------------------------------------------------------------- >Johannes Gutenberg Universitaet Mainz >Becherweg 21 >55099 Mainz > >Tel: +496131/3924662 (Maschinensaal) >Tel: +496131/3924144 >FAX: +496131/3923532 > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 28 14: 9: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from edwin.mounet.com (edwin.mounet.com [216.145.76.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 70AD237B722 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hornback@wireco.net) Received: (qmail 17705 invoked by uid 0); 28 Mar 2001 21:52:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tomcat) (216.145.67.25) by mounet.com with SMTP; 28 Mar 2001 21:52:35 -0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Ed Henderson" Cc: "FreeBSD Hardware" Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:08:59 -0500 Message-ID: <012201c0b7d3$b05ad860$0e00000a@tomcat> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <003101c0b714$4ec47260$0464a8c0@pnt004> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Ed Henderson [mailto:Ed.Henderson@Certainty.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:19 PM > To: 'Michael VanLoon'; 'Andrew C. Hornback'; 'Joseph Gleason' > Cc: 'FreeBSD Hardware'; 'Mike Smith' > Subject: RE: Server MB suggestions? > > OK, OK!!! I give in I'm going SCSI (small cheer from the cheap > seats!). Here is what I'm going to use: Eh, should be a good sized cheer... *grins* > 1. Lets assume for now that I will use a standard 2 channel SCSI > controller (non-RAID) and will use software RAID-1 with one 36GB > drive on each channel. Any controller recommendations? Adaptec, AMI or Mylex. Those are the ones that are more mainstream/industry standard and they do have the best support among different applications. If you're wanting something a little more daring/cutting edge, try TekRAM or ICP/Vortex. > 2. What drives do you recommend - manufacturer, model. IBM UltraStar series. Not sure of the exact model. > 3. Should I go for 160MB/s or stick with 80MB/s drives? I am > trying to be reasonable in cost. I'm not sure what the difference in price between the two us, but, my advice has always been to get the highest performance you can afford to start off with. Planned upgrades simply don't happen with surity in the realworld. > 4. I plan to have an external DDS-4 DAT tape drive attached to > one of the channels. Any suggestions? Hmm... This is kind of out of my league, but I'm looking at a Quantum DLT internal drive for my workstation and my file server. They also make external, and DLT is supposedly more reliable than DDS. As always, someone else's MMV. --- Andy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 28 14:22:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sleipner.eiffel.dk (sub19-229.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.19.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9458637B725 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:22:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flemming@froekjaer.org) Received: from tychobrahe (sub19-225.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.19.225]) by sleipner.eiffel.dk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2SMScN91564 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:28:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flemming@froekjaer.org) Message-Id: <4.1.20010328141005.00a4ffc0@sleipner.eiffel.dk> X-Sender: flemming@sleipner.eiffel.dk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 14:22:12 -0800 To: "FreeBSD Hardware" From: Flemming =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=F8kj=E6r?= Subject: What raid controler for FreeBSD and Windows Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need to get a new High end Raid controler. This is going to be the first of several, and I would like to use same controler in both my FreeBSD and Win2K boxes, so it should perform well under both OS's. I have looked at the Adaptec 3400S, but would like to here your opinion first. Is there any raid managment software for FreeBSD for this controler? Should I look at Mylex Insted, or AMI? \Flemming To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 28 19: 2:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE4F37B726 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:02:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from esteban0@excite.com) Received: from dotty.excite.com ([199.172.152.205]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20010329030248.UOGV17987.fortune.excite.com@dotty.excite.com> for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:02:48 -0800 Message-ID: <28139506.985834968136.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:02:48 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Bano To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD on VA Linux Hardware Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 64.210.24.34 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I was wondering if anybody has had success running FreeBSD on VA Linux Systems hardware and could offer their experiences. I am spec'ing two systems which may either both run Linux, or one may run Linux and the other FreeBSD. Either way, I'd like the flexibility to be able to run either OS, in the event I need or want to swap or change systems around. Aside from general hardware compatibility, I'm also particularly interested in SMP support for FreeBSD on these systems. Any comments? Thanks. _______________________________________________________ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 28 19:41:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D4537B724 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 19:41:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ken@panzer.kdm.org) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) id UAA54013; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:41:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from ken) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 20:41:31 -0700 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Steve Bano Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD on VA Linux Hardware Message-ID: <20010328204131.A53978@panzer.kdm.org> References: <28139506.985834968136.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <28139506.985834968136.JavaMail.imail@dotty.excite.com>; from esteban0@excite.com on Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 07:02:48PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 19:02:48 -0800, Steve Bano wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering if anybody has had success running FreeBSD on VA Linux > Systems hardware and could offer their experiences. I am spec'ing two > systems which may either both run Linux, or one may run Linux and the > other FreeBSD. Either way, I'd like the flexibility to be able to run either > OS, in the event I need or want to swap or change systems around. > > Aside from general hardware compatibility, I'm also particularly interested > in SMP support for FreeBSD on these systems. Their 2U systems work fine with FreeBSD. I've got a 2200 series box running both Red Hat and FreeBSD-current (with SMP enabled). Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 28 21:35:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from sleipner.eiffel.dk (sub19-229.member.dsl-only.net [63.105.19.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE8037B718 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:35:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flemming@froekjaer.org) Received: from eiffel.dk (localhost.eiffel.dk [127.0.0.1]) by sleipner.eiffel.dk (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2T5gBN97770; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:42:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from flemming@froekjaer.org) Received: from 216.99.212.67 (SquirrelMail authenticated user flemming) by sleipner.eiffel.dk with HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:42:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1929.216.99.212.67.985844531.squirrel@sleipner.eiffel.dk> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:42:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: What raid controler for FreeBSD and Windows From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Flemming_Frøkjær?=" To: insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net In-Reply-To: <20010328182530.A67121@lunatic.oneinsane.net> References: <20010328182530.A67121@lunatic.oneinsane.net> Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.0.3) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >> I have looked at the Adaptec 3400S, but would like to here your >> opinion first. Is there any raid managment software for FreeBSD for >> this controler? >> >> Should I look at Mylex Insted, or AMI? >> > > For something like that why not use a Infotrend controller. They look > like just another SCSI device hanging of the SCSI adapter. They might > cost a little more but you wont have to go huntin for certain drivers > for certain OS's > Because the fastest SCSI channal is 160MB/s and the PCI bus can handle a lot more that that. \Flemming To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Mar 28 23:30:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.mbox.com.au (smtp2.mbox.com.au [203.103.80.178]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39AF37B720 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:30:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from das@mbox.com.au) Received: from mbox.com.au (webmail.i7mail.com.au [192.168.20.4]) by smtp2.mbox.com.au (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.4.0.2000.05.17.04.13.p6) with ESMTP id <0GAY003GD6TO9I@smtp2.mbox.com.au> for hardware@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 15:15:25 +0800 (WST) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 17:15:25 +1000 From: das@mbox.com.au Subject: Re: What raid controler for FreeBSD and Windows To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <1f6e981f02d3.1f02d31f6e98@mbox.com.au> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org The 3ware IDE raid controllers seem to be the best performace for your dollar. FreeBSD guys have ported the drivers, and guys in the stable list seems to be having a pretty good time with them. Mike Smith (in stable) has been having a few problems, but he's seriously flogging the card (30,000 inserts to a MySQL database, it craps out after 8 hours flat out). I've just had the International Sales guy visit and he impressed me. They are attacking Adaptec market hard. There 32 bit board (64bit comming soon) have upto 10 IDE ATA66 seperate controllers. Unlike most RAID controllers the mirrored disks are actually used to speed up the read times (reading a bit form each disk, qued up reads). Through put rates are very good. Check the site. Also check 'www.storeagereview.com'. Google use these cards, so they must be ok for large amounts of data and speed. Anyway, just a suggestion... dave seddon To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 29 0:13:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774CF37B729 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:13:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2T5gpd02156; Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:42:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200103290542.f2T5gpd02156@mass.dis.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Flemming_Fr kj r?=" Cc: insane@lunatic.oneinsane.net, hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What raid controler for FreeBSD and Windows In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:42:11 PST." <1929.216.99.212.67.985844531.squirrel@sleipner.eiffel.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 21:42:50 -0800 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >> I have looked at the Adaptec 3400S, but would like to here your > >> opinion first. Is there any raid managment software for FreeBSD for > >> this controler? > >> = > >> Should I look at Mylex Insted, or AMI? > > = > > For something like that why not use a Infotrend controller. They look= > > like just another SCSI device hanging of the SCSI adapter. They might= > > cost a little more but you wont have to go huntin for certain drivers= > > for certain OS's SCSI:SCSI adapters are OK, but they can be problematic when it comes to = management and performance. > Because the fastest SCSI channal is 160MB/s and the PCI bus can handle = a > lot more that that. Actually, 320MB/s and 640MB/s SCSI are already on the roadmap, and = "plain" PCI is actually only good for 133MB/sec (all these are = theoretical maximums). To answer the original poster's question, however, right now I'd be = recommending the Adaptec controller simply due to the likely availability= = of management tools. I have data to aid in development of tools for AMI = and Mylex controllers, but no time in which to do the work. 8( -- = =2E.. every activity meets with opposition, everyone who acts has his rivals and unfortunately opponents also. But not because people want to be opponents, rather because the tasks and relationships force people to take different points of view. [Dr. Fritz Todt] V I C T O R Y N O T V E N G E A N C E To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 29 1:49:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from relay2.wertep.com (relay2.wertep.com [194.44.90.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED05C37B71B; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 01:49:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from petro@She.wertep.com) Received: from She.wertep.com (she-tun-proxy [192.168.252.2]) by relay2.wertep.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA93311; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:49:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from petro@She.wertep.com) Received: from localhost (petro@localhost) by She.wertep.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA18120; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:50:58 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from petro@She.wertep.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:50:53 +0300 (EEST) From: petro To: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Hardware problem! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi. I have Compaq Proliant 1500 and FreeBSD 4.1 release on it. I have Compaq Smart Array(ida0), so this system worked fine during 4 monthes, but after now when it reboots, I receive such message(when must be fsck) ida0: soft error What does this mean. Is it is problem with hard(bad clusters) or smth else. Thank you very much for any help. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 29 18: 5:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DAE37B719 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:05:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from graywane@home.com) Received: from cg392862-a.adubn1.nj.home.com ([65.2.79.221]) by femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with ESMTP id <20010330020535.TVEH24920.femail9.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cg392862-a.adubn1.nj.home.com> for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:05:35 -0800 Received: (from graywane@localhost) by cg392862-a.adubn1.nj.home.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f2U25Yi02084 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:05:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from graywane) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:05:34 -0500 From: Graywane To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Questions regarding new computer purchase. Message-ID: <20010329210534.A2016@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I'm about to purchase several components and wanted to get the group's opinion as to how well they run with FreeBSD. I was considering: Asus A7V133 Motherboard (http://www.asus.com/products/Motherboard/socketa/a7v133/spec.html) Does FreeBSD support the optional AC 97 audio? Athlon Thunderbird CPU =20 Teac 32X/4X/4X CD-RW (IDE/ATAPI interface) The cheaper the better - just want a CDRW that works. =20 Any video card with an NVIDIA GeForce 2 chipset Any tips on which brand to buy? =20 Any and all advice is appreciated. Thanks. --=20 Note: See http://www.members.home.net/graywane/ for PGP information. --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjrD6e0ACgkQeHdFaBWUGN0CqwCfU5AKmbz60aRJ+tCDg7j8Y/vf 7UEAnRacXFZpPYnSgUX7Cb/5TTt+aD2A =3z1c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Nq2Wo0NMKNjxTN9z-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Mar 29 21:52:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from fbsd.bosa.ca (cr1003901-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.37.99]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D2B37B718 for ; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:52:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kulraj@bosa.ca) Received: from ska1 (h207-230-227-196.dccnet.com [207.230.227.196]) by fbsd.bosa.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id A2DF7158EB9; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:58:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001901c0b8de$1b3543e0$64c8a8c0@asknet.com> From: "Kulraj Gurm (bosa.ca account)" To: "Graywane" , References: <20010329210534.A2016@home.com> Subject: Re: Questions regarding new computer purchase. Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:56:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 1. Via Chipset Socket A motherboards run very well with FreeBSD - the AMD Athlon Enhanced CPU is likewise an excellent choice. However, I have never got AC97 Audio to work in FreeBSD; the SoundBlaster CT5880 chipset (PCI 128) available on some motherboards will be better supported. Hopefully someone with more experience in this area will answer the sound questions. 2. No experience with CDRW Drives with FreeBSD, but the Teac is a well respected drive - up in the same league as Plextor. Actually it is rumoured they share the same mechanism. 3. GeForce 2 cards are available in several favours : - SDRAM or DDR RAM - MX, GTS or Ultra Chipset - 32Mb or 64Mb - Any of these are supported by XFree86, FreeBSD support is not really an issue. - As for brand? Take a look at ASUS they are gaining a reputation for their VGA cards. Hope this helps. Regards, Kulraj Gurm MBS Computers Ltd. (604) 572 8722 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graywane" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: Questions regarding new computer purchase. Hello, I'm about to purchase several components and wanted to get the group's opinion as to how well they run with FreeBSD. I was considering: Asus A7V133 Motherboard (http://www.asus.com/products/Motherboard/socketa/a7v133/spec.html) Does FreeBSD support the optional AC 97 audio? Athlon Thunderbird CPU Teac 32X/4X/4X CD-RW (IDE/ATAPI interface) The cheaper the better - just want a CDRW that works. Any video card with an NVIDIA GeForce 2 chipset Any tips on which brand to buy? Any and all advice is appreciated. Thanks. -- Note: See http://www.members.home.net/graywane/ for PGP information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 30 15:14:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from speedus.com (saturn.speedus.net [63.251.16.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C283C37B71A; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:14:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from benf@nexgen.com) Received: from nexgen.com (p17-96.dialup.speedus.net [63.251.17.96]) by speedus.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23055; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:14:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3AC5130C.2040909@nexgen.com> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:13:16 -0500 From: Benjamin Flom User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20010131 Netscape6/6.01 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mike@sentex.net Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 3Ware + Supermicro + FreeBSD 4.2 Stable + Apache Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In seeing that you have responded to many inquiries regarding 3ware controllers and that you were running an P6DBU, I was hoping you may be able to help me with a problem we have been having: We are running a Dual PIII, 1 GB RAM (Infeneon and NEC), Supermicro 370DLE, xpert98 PCI, Intel Etherpro100+. We are using IBM drives on a 3Ware Escalade 6800, and the on board floppy disk controller i just installed FreeBSD 4.2-STABLE > went to www.apache.org and downloaded apache-1.3.19.tar.gz file > then i did tar -zxvf apache-1.3.19.tar.gz ; cd apache-1.3.19 ; ./configure ; > > make ; make install > > > after i tryed to start apache by /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl > start > > i got this on three identical machines > > bash-2.04# /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start > > Segmentation fault - core dumped > > /usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started > > bash-2.04# > > > please note that that was a clean installation of OS and Apache(no modules) We have successfully compiled and run these programs so far bash, lynx, perl, mysql, openssh, openssl, wget. The only recognizable problem so far is Apache. We think this has something to do with the 3Ware controller because we are running the exact same machine with an Adaptec 3200S (DPT VI) instead of the Escalade 6800 right next to the problem machines with an otherwise identical setup. Also, we ran into some hitches earlier on, but these were taken care of by flashing the 3Ware controllers with the latest version of the firmware, which is what they are now running. > > > please advise.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 30 15:29:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from cage.simianscience.com (cage.simianscience.com [64.7.134.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD4F37B71C; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:29:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: (from root@localhost) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f2UNTnW57256; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:29:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from chimp (fcage [192.168.0.2]) by cage.simianscience.com (8.11.2/8.11.2av) with ESMTP id f2UNTik57247; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:29:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-Id: <4.2.2.20010330182742.02fc1cf8@192.168.0.12> X-Sender: mdtancsa@192.168.0.12 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:29:43 -0500 To: Benjamin Flom From: Mike Tancsa Subject: Re: 3Ware + Supermicro + FreeBSD 4.2 Stable + Apache Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3AC5130C.2040909@nexgen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This sounds like the bug that others are hitting in Apache with the server IP's host name not having a PTR record as opposed to any hardware issue. Check the thread "apache-1.3.19 segfaulting on FreeBSD-4.3 RC" in -STABLE ---Mike At 06:13 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, Benjamin Flom wrote: >We have successfully compiled and run these programs so far bash, lynx, >perl, mysql, openssh, openssl, wget. The only recognizable problem so far >is Apache. > >We think this has something to do with the 3Ware controller because we are >running the exact same machine with an Adaptec 3200S (DPT VI) instead of >the Escalade 6800 right next to the problem machines with an otherwise >identical setup. Also, we ran into some hitches earlier on, but these were >taken care of by flashing the 3Ware controllers with the latest version of >the firmware, which is what they are now running. > >> > > please advise.. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Network Administration, mike@sentex.net Sentex Communications www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada www.sentex.net/mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Fri Mar 30 16:53:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mail.westbend.net (ns1.westbend.net [216.106.246.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61EB37B719; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 16:53:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Received: from admin (admin0.westbend.net [216.106.246.17]) by mail.westbend.net (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2V0rHU62290; Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:53:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from hetzels@westbend.net) Message-ID: <003a01c0b97c$de0dbf20$11f66ad8@westbend.net> From: "Scot W. Hetzel" To: "Benjamin Flom" , "Mike Tancsa" Cc: , References: <4.2.2.20010330182742.02fc1cf8@192.168.0.12> Subject: Re: 3Ware + Supermicro + FreeBSD 4.2 Stable + Apache Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:52:29 -0600 Organization: West Bend Interent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Mike Tancsa" > > This sounds like the bug that others are hitting in Apache with the server > IP's host name not having a PTR record as opposed to any hardware issue. > Check the thread "apache-1.3.19 segfaulting on FreeBSD-4.3 RC" in -STABLE > The problem is that in ap_get_local_host() (util.c), the pointer "p" is null. This causes the segment fault when the ServerName directive is not defined in the httpd.conf file. The Apache folks have corrected this problem in the next release. http://www.apache.org/websrc/viewcvs.cgi/apache-1.3/src/main/util.c.diff?r1= text&tr1=1.194&r2=text&tr2=1.197&diff_format=u The above patch should be added to the apache13, apache13+IPv6, and apache13-modssl ports. apache13-fp patched a week ago. Scot > At 06:13 PM 3/30/2001 -0500, Benjamin Flom wrote: > > >We have successfully compiled and run these programs so far bash, lynx, > >perl, mysql, openssh, openssl, wget. The only recognizable problem so far > >is Apache. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 31 4:43:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp7.xs4all.nl (smtp7.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC28737B71C for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 04:43:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fbemmele@dds.nl) Received: from list1.xs4all.nl (list1.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.52]) by smtp7.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25359 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:43:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from root@localhost) by list1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA15462; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:43:49 +0200 (CEST) From: "Frank-Jan van Bemmelen" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Via: imploder /usr/local/lib/mail/news2mail/news2mail at list1.xs4all.nl Subject: How do I recompile a kernel in freebsd 4.2 to make it support Tokenring Olicom Rapidfire 3137 or 3140? Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:43:59 +0200 Organization: XS4ALL Internet BV Message-ID: <9a4je3$b8f$1@news1.xs4all.nl> Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How do I recompile a kernel in freebsd 4.2 to make it support Tokenring Olicom Rapidfire 3137 or 3140? I have recompiled numerous linux kernels, but as to FreeBSD I am a newbie in that respect again. How on earth can I get this done? I did find the oltr driver stuff on the cd (contrib folder), but how can I include this in the kernel? Thank you ever so much in advance. (By the way, in a bookshop, relatively large, in Leiden, The Netherlands, they only had one! book about FreeBSD, it was like 150 guilders (68 euro), I gather there should be more out there in printed form?) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Sat Mar 31 16: 4:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from devils.maquina.com (devils.maquina.com [62.229.71.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B33337B719 for ; Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:04:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gabriel@devils.maquina.com) Received: (from gabriel@localhost) by devils.maquina.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA61246 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:04:21 +0100 (WEST) (envelope-from gabriel) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 01:04:21 +0100 From: Jose Gabriel J Marcelino To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Sync Serial boards Message-ID: <20010401010421.B60974@devils.maquina.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I'm looking into good boards for a FreeBSD-based router, with at least 4 (can be 2 cards if needed) x.21 and/or v.35 interfaces with 4Mbit/s each. This is will used for multi-homed routers (with simple firewalling functionality) I was testing a system with ET Inc ET/PCISYNC, with good results (apart from the unmaintanable binary drivers), but reading Dennis's last insults^Wmessages on the -hackers mailing list have somewhat put me looking for other alternatives. Cyclades Router-killer (up to only two ports however) is a bit short in function, Sangoma with it's WANPIPE and S-series seems a bit better, but I can't find much technical info on their site. I believe there must be others, I'd like to know other people's opinions on them. Thanks Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message