From owner-freebsd-hardware Sun Oct 7 22:54:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from workhorse.iMach.com (workhorse.iMach.com [206.127.77.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C283837B406 for ; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 22:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (forrestc@localhost) by workhorse.iMach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA05821; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:08:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 13:08:46 -0600 (MDT) From: "Forrest W. Christian" To: Brett Glass Cc: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: DSL modem drivers for FreeBSD? In-Reply-To: <200110070256.UAA23619@lariat.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org AFAIK, there are only 2 modems supported under linux - one Internal and One USB. The USB drivers are supposedly flaky, and the internal one's docs and info are rather sketchy. On Sat, 6 Oct 2001, Brett Glass wrote: > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 20:56:25 -0600 (MDT) > From: Brett Glass > To: hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: DSL modem drivers for FreeBSD? > > Does FreeBSD have support for any DSL modem that uses the DMT modulation scheme? > This is a showstopper for a client.... He will (alas) go with Linux if he > can't find drivers for an internal DSL modem such as the Intel 2200. > > --Brett Glass > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > - Forrest W. Christian (forrestc@imach.com) AC7DE ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Innovation Machine Ltd. P.O. Box 5749 http://www.imach.com/ Helena, MT 59604 Home of PacketFlux Technogies and BackupDNS.com (406)-442-6648 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Protect your personal freedoms - visit http://www.lp.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 8 0:26: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1798937B406 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 00:25:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (v-ger [158.227.6.51]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f987Pv913573; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 09:25:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f97DmGi00653; Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:48:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jose) Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2001 15:48:16 +0200 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: bob bobing Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: maestro 2e Message-ID: <20011007154816.A316@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Mail-Followup-To: bob bobing , freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.org References: <200110062341.TAA19913@strange.eng.utoledo.edu> <20011007004705.94810.qmail@web12408.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011007004705.94810.qmail@web12408.mail.yahoo.com>; from this_is_my_act@yahoo.com on Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 05:47:05PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 05:47:05PM -0700, bob bobing wrote: > ok, it works fine when build into the kernel, but i'm > talking about the module, not a kernel with pcm built > into it. btw you didn't answer my first question. > btw i can kldload the module, but cat /dev/sndstat > shows nothing. Also can you try removing pcm support > from the kernel, reboot and once fully up kldload the > maestro module, then see if you can cat /dev/sndstat > and see a configured sound card? There is no difference between adding "device pcm" to the kernel config file and adding the definition snd_maestro_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf. Well, actually there _is_ a difference: using the module consumes less memory. Anyway, both methods work just fine. -- ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 8 12:18:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from c-serv1.sopris.net (ns.sopris.net [208.44.82.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CB137B40B for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from neil (c-serv3.sopris.net [208.44.82.9]) by c-serv1.sopris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15309 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:18:53 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ncarter@sopris.net) From: "Neil Carter" To: Subject: Broadcom NetXtreme Gig Card in Dell 2550. Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:14:26 -0600 Message-ID: <001501c1502d$72e33d90$2d01000a@neil> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have seen a couple of posts about the Gig card that comes onboard with a Dell 2550. It is a Broadcom NetXtreme 10/100/1000. The last posting was in August. Does anyone know about drivers for this card? I am running 4.4-RELEASE. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Neil Carter ncarter@sopris.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 8 12:28: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from panzer.kdm.org (panzer.kdm.org [216.160.178.169]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 718EA37B407 for ; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 12:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from ken@localhost) by panzer.kdm.org (8.11.6/8.9.1) id f98JRhf06476; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:27:43 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ken) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 13:27:43 -0600 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" To: Neil Carter Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Broadcom NetXtreme Gig Card in Dell 2550. Message-ID: <20011008132742.A6405@panzer.kdm.org> References: <001501c1502d$72e33d90$2d01000a@neil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <001501c1502d$72e33d90$2d01000a@neil>; from ncarter@sopris.net on Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 01:14:26PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 13:14:26 -0600, Neil Carter wrote: > I have seen a couple of posts about the Gig card that comes onboard with a > Dell 2550. It is a Broadcom NetXtreme 10/100/1000. The last posting was in > August. Does anyone know about drivers for this card? I am running > 4.4-RELEASE. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bill Paul added a driver for that chip to -stable on October 1st. If you upgrade your 4.4 installation to a newer snapshot of -stable (or cvsup and do a make buildworld) and add the bge driver to your config, that should do the trick. Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@kdm.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 8 17: 3:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 618) id E9B5437B403; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Broadcom NetXtreme Gig Card in Dell 2550. In-Reply-To: <001501c1502d$72e33d90$2d01000a@neil> from Neil Carter at "Oct 8, 2001 01:14:26 pm" To: ncarter@sopris.net (Neil Carter) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2001 17:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20011009000307.E9B5437B403@hub.freebsd.org> From: wpaul@FreeBSD.ORG (Bill Paul) Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I have seen a couple of posts about the Gig card that comes onboard with a > Dell 2550. It is a Broadcom NetXtreme 10/100/1000. The last posting was in > August. Does anyone know about drivers for this card? I am running > 4.4-RELEASE. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can either cvsup to the latest 4.4-STABLE, or download the driver kit from: http://www.freebsd.org/~wpaul/Broadcom/4.x/bcm570x_drv.tar.gz This kit contains two kernel modules, bcmphy.ko and if_bge.ko, which you can kldload into your system to add support for the on-board gigE NIC. No kernel recompilation is necessary. The source for the modules is also included. Read the README in the kit for additional info. -Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Mon Oct 8 21:39:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.whitebarn.com (Spin.whitebarn.com [216.0.13.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7709037B401; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 21:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BGPBook.Com (Relent.Bob.whitebarn.com [216.0.13.50]) by smtp.whitebarn.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA34553; Mon, 8 Oct 2001 23:39:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Bob@BGPBook.Com) Message-ID: <3BC27F89.4090706@BGPBook.Com> Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2001 23:39:37 -0500 From: Bob Van Valzah User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.2) Gecko/20010726 Netscape6/6.1 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-Hardware@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-SCSI@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-Install@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-FS@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.Org, FreeBSD-Config@FreeBSD.Org Subject: Vinum Bootstrapping Article Reviewers Wanted Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm working on an article that describes how to get started using Vinum (software RAID). After a gentle introduction, it takes the reader through the process starting with /stand/sysinstall and ending with a sever with mirrored volumes. It also covers several hardware failure scenarios and the recovery techniques needed to get a server back to normal. I'd like to make sure that the step-by-step procedures that it contains are correct for a wide audience. Folks experienced with Vinum could help by reviewing the article and commenting on subtleties I've missed. Vinum newbies could by providing a perspective that I lack. I'd particularly like to find reviewers who tried to get Vinum going in the past but gave up. You'll need to have access to a CPU on which you can do fresh FreeBSD installs. Anything better than a 486 with 8 MB of RAM should be ok as long as you can get to installation media. You'll need two or more disk drives of at least 500 MB or so. IDE or SCSI, mix & match are ok. The article is about 30 pages, so you'll need time to read it and try the procedures. I'd budget at least 2-3 hours, more if you'll have to scrape the hardware together. Comments returned to me in the next few days might make it into a version of the article that I hope will appear in the next print edition of the handbook. So if you have the necessary time, hardware, and inclination, please drop me a line and I'll get you a draft! Thanks, Bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 9 11:49:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gahch.it.ca (gahch.it.ca [216.126.86.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D30837B401; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 11:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from paul@localhost) by gahch.it.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f99ImS114387; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:48:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from paul) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 14:48:28 -0400 From: Paul Chvostek To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: amr driver and disk failure notification Message-ID: <20011009144828.A14258@gahch.it.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all. We've got a Dell PowerEdge 1550 with an amr SCSI controller (Dell PERC) running RAID1 (mirroring). The OS is 4.4-RELEASE. Does anyone know of a way to get some sort of disk failure notification from the amr controller? I've read the man page and seen no references to anything but errors. We're running healthd to sense temperature, and vinum obviously reports things on boxes that do software RAID, but I'm stuck on this one. I suspect that AMI or whoever has come up with Windows software that talks to this controller, but I'm obviously not aware of anything for FreeBSD. Any help would be appreciated. :) -- Paul Chvostek Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 598-0000 IT Canada http://www.it.ca/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 9 19:16:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h011.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8348637B401 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: (cpmta 2719 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 19:16:44 -0700 Date: 9 Oct 2001 19:16:44 -0700 Message-ID: <20011010021644.2718.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 10 Oct 2001 02:16:44 GMT Received: from [24.48.64.135] by mail.sawilson.com with HTTP; 09 Oct 2001 19:16:44 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: paul@it.ca From: sawilson@sawilson.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: amr driver and disk failure notification X-Sent-From: sawilson@sawilson.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 09 October 2001, Paul Chvostek wrote: > I suspect that AMI or whoever has come up with Windows software that > talks to this controller, but I'm obviously not aware of anything for > FreeBSD. > > Any help would be appreciated. :) I have a great answer. Most of the cards have their own built in speaker that will signal you with a beep system. Off the top of my head it's: 3 second beep one second break when a drive dies and while it's rebuilding 1 second beep 3 second break after it's done rebuilding If I'm not mistaken, that dell has a megaraid 428 in it. I can say that from experience the beeping is really frelling annoying. A lot of OEM's elect to turn the speaker off in the config. You should ctrl+m during boot and turn it back on. My megaraid 1300 has been awesome so far. The only issue is that for some reason I couldn't get into the config from the boot prompt. I had to download a disk image of a win98 boot disk, and spend a saturday afternoon finding MEGACONF.exe for DOS. Hope this helps. -- Best Regards, S.A.Wilson "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better' so I installed FreeBSD." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 9 19:38:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gahch.it.ca (gahch.it.ca [216.126.86.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116F337B408 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 19:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from paul@localhost) by gahch.it.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9A2b0X27740; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:37:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from paul) Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:37:00 -0400 From: Paul Chvostek To: sawilson@sawilson.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amr driver and disk failure notification Message-ID: <20011009223700.B14443@gahch.it.ca> References: <20011010021644.2718.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011010021644.2718.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net>; from sawilson@sawilson.com on Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 07:16:44PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks for the advice, but.... If there is a speaker on the Dell PERC card, I suspect I wouldn't be able to hear it from where I'm sitting. The server sits in a lights-out co-location environment which is visited very rarely, about fifteen blocks from my office. If a disk fails, the machine continues to run on the remaining disk, so the idea here is to put something together that will let the box send out an email or run qpage or something in the event of a problem. I've got healthd running, along with SNMP monitoring of disk space and CPU, but is there no way to detect recoverable disk failure? Could I maybe ... hook up the speaker on the controller to a line on an unused serial port, and write a daemon to watch for a particular pattern? Or, since there's a "disk warning" LED on the front, maybe I could wire *that* to an unused line on a serial or parallel port. It seems really odd that this box, designed specifically for this kind of environment, won't let me detect a problem without my being physically near the box. :-( p On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 07:16:44PM -0700, sawilson@sawilson.com wrote: > > On Tue, 09 October 2001, Paul Chvostek wrote: > > > I suspect that AMI or whoever has come up with Windows software that > > talks to this controller, but I'm obviously not aware of anything for > > FreeBSD. > > > > Any help would be appreciated. :) > > I have a great answer. Most of the cards have their own built in speaker that will signal you with a beep system. Off the top of my head it's: > > 3 second beep one second break when a drive dies and while it's rebuilding > 1 second beep 3 second break after it's done rebuilding > > If I'm not mistaken, that dell has a megaraid 428 in it. I can say that from experience the beeping is really frelling annoying. A lot of OEM's elect to turn the speaker off in the config. You should ctrl+m during boot and turn it back on. My megaraid 1300 has been awesome so far. The only issue is that for some reason I couldn't get into the config from the boot prompt. I had to download a disk image of a win98 boot disk, and spend a saturday afternoon finding MEGACONF.exe for DOS. Hope this helps. > > -- > > Best Regards, > S.A.Wilson > > "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better' so I installed FreeBSD." -- Paul Chvostek Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 598-0000 IT Canada http://www.it.ca/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Tue Oct 9 22: 3:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from c001.snv.cp.net (c001-h004.c001.snv.cp.net [209.228.32.118]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F0CD237B401 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 22:03:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (cpmta 14061 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2001 22:03:14 -0700 Date: 9 Oct 2001 22:03:14 -0700 Message-ID: <20011010050314.14060.cpmta@c001.snv.cp.net> X-Sent: 10 Oct 2001 05:03:14 GMT Received: from [24.48.64.135] by mail.sawilson.com with HTTP; 09 Oct 2001 22:03:14 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: paul@it.ca From: sawilson@sawilson.com Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.9.3.5 Subject: Re: amr driver and disk failure notification X-Sent-From: sawilson@sawilson.com Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm sure it's possible. You'd want some sort of custom electronics between the serial port and the speaker pins. You could shoot for just a resistor type setup that would make sure the proper voltage is supplied, but you'd be better off setting up a relay that would get tripped by the voltage sent to the speaker, then supply the proper voltage via a battery to the selected pins on the serial port. Hacking the serial port driver wouldn't be that hard. There is plenty of example code out there. There is probably something else in place. I'd bug Mike Smith first. He does the raid stuff for the core group. I think his email address is msmith@freebsd.org. Good luck. :) On Tue, 09 October 2001, Paul Chvostek wrote: > > > Thanks for the advice, but.... > > If there is a speaker on the Dell PERC card, I suspect I wouldn't be > able to hear it from where I'm sitting. The server sits in a lights-out > co-location environment which is visited very rarely, about fifteen > blocks from my office. > > If a disk fails, the machine continues to run on the remaining disk, so > the idea here is to put something together that will let the box send > out an email or run qpage or something in the event of a problem. I've > got healthd running, along with SNMP monitoring of disk space and CPU, > but is there no way to detect recoverable disk failure? > > Could I maybe ... hook up the speaker on the controller to a line on > an unused serial port, and write a daemon to watch for a particular > pattern? Or, since there's a "disk warning" LED on the front, maybe > I could wire *that* to an unused line on a serial or parallel port. > > It seems really odd that this box, designed specifically for this > kind of environment, won't let me detect a problem without my being > physically near the box. :-( > > p > > > On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 07:16:44PM -0700, sawilson@sawilson.com wrote: > > > > On Tue, 09 October 2001, Paul Chvostek wrote: > > > > > I suspect that AMI or whoever has come up with Windows software that > > > talks to this controller, but I'm obviously not aware of anything for > > > FreeBSD. > > > > > > Any help would be appreciated. :) > > > > I have a great answer. Most of the cards have their own built in speaker that will signal you with a beep system. Off the top of my head it's: > > > > 3 second beep one second break when a drive dies and while it's rebuilding > > 1 second beep 3 second break after it's done rebuilding > > > > If I'm not mistaken, that dell has a megaraid 428 in it. I can say that from experience the beeping is really frelling annoying. A lot of OEM's elect to turn the speaker off in the config. You should ctrl+m during boot and turn it back on. My megaraid 1300 has been awesome so far. The only issue is that for some reason I couldn't get into the config from the boot prompt. I had to download a disk image of a win98 boot disk, and spend a saturday afternoon finding MEGACONF.exe for DOS. Hope this helps. > > > > -- > > > > Best Regards, > > S.A.Wilson > > > > "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better' so I installed FreeBSD." > > -- > Paul Chvostek > Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 598-0000 > IT Canada http://www.it.ca/ -- Best Regards, S.A.Wilson "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT, or better' so I installed FreeBSD." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 1: 2:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gahch.it.ca (gahch.it.ca [216.126.86.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C2537B408 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 01:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from paul@localhost) by gahch.it.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9A82Bv37288; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:02:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from paul) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 04:02:11 -0400 From: Paul Chvostek To: Edwin Culp Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. Message-ID: <20011010040211.A36943@gahch.it.ca> References: <1001470583.3bb13a7799dd4@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1001470583.3bb13a7799dd4@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net>; from eculp@EnContacto.Net on Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Edwin. On the basis of your specs, I infer that you have unlimited cash. :) I have three things to add to your equation. Since this box will be mostly inaccessible, you should probably allocate at least two drives as spares in your RAID. Having one spare is obvious, but you really don't want to have to do repairs to this unit even *after* a failure if you can help it, and one more drive is (relatively) cheap. Which brings us to the second point. I've just been probing the list regarding a problem I'm having with a Dell PowerEdge that has a MegaRAID controller in it. I can't find any way to have the RAID controller tell FreeBSD that there's a problem, without doing hardware mods that void the warranty on the unit. (I'm still looking.) If you plan to buy a brand-name box (Dell, IBM, whatever), MAKE SURE that the configuration you're using includes the ability to report drive (and fan and heat) problems to the operating system. The man page for ports/sysutils/healthd lists a number of monitoring chipsets for the basic stuff, but I don't know where you'd look for the RAID, unless you don't mind the performance hit and are comfortable running vinum. The third point ... is that you want remote access to this box at all times. The Dell PowerEdge server I installed yesterday has a BIOS setting that apparently lets the unit spew its CMOS config interface through the serial port. For a less vendor-specific solution, check out http://www.realweasel.com/. It's an awesome product. When you complete your research, please let the list know. I'm sure lots of us will be interested in your findings. p On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: > > I need to co-locate a server in Singapore so reliability is > important:-). I am thinking of something with a ServerWorks > LE-based board, multiprocessor, but with one P-III Xeon to > start, running at from 700 Mhz to 1,000 Mhz, 2Gb initial ram, > an extremely well ventilated box with multiple, hot swap, > power supplies 500-750 watts, each. I would like to have a > Raid 10 array with from .5 TB to 1 TB initially. > I find the 3ware escalade 64 bit, switched, 7000 series to be a a > very compelling solution but I remember seeing a thread not long > ago about it having pretty serious problems in one installation, > but I've also heard some very good things about it. Does anyone > know of a solid raid 10 SCSI solution for FreeBSD? > > All suggestions appreciated especially about 3ware, motherboard, > drives, etc. If I remember the drives that were having problems > in the 3ware thread were IBM, so they are out. I was thinking > about maxtor, I've used several (7500 rpm) for a couple > of years with no problems. > > Now for the hard part, our finance guy wants to lease the equipment > and would prefer to buy from a supplier rather than build it in house.:-( > He obviously suggested, IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. etc. all of which > have more trade-offs than I would like to make. Does anyone know of a real > company that [could|would|does] build[s] something similar? > > Thanks, > > ed > > --- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message -- Paul Chvostek Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 598-0000 IT Canada http://www.it.ca/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 6:35:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from EnContacto.Net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281B637B408 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by EnContacto.Net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9ADZAu67415; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:35:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 24.20.19.75 ( [24.20.19.75]) as user eculp@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:35:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1002720909.3bc44e8dd35fa@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 06:35:09 -0700 From: Edwin Culp To: Paul Chvostek Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. References: <1001470583.3bb13a7799dd4@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> <20011010040211.A36943@gahch.it.ca> In-Reply-To: <20011010040211.A36943@gahch.it.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs X-Originating-IP: 24.20.19.75 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Paul, thank you for taking the time to make these suggestions. They are excellent and I will certainly share the results with the list. I have purchased what I consider to be the best solution for our company, right now. I know many folks will have issues with 3ware, drives in the same box, etc. but it meets our specs and is within our budget of "unlimited cash":-) that you mention and seems solid good ventilation, adequete power in a 4u box. The server can be seen at: http://www.fnordsystems.com/4U_fnord_430_product_page.shtmlServerworks III HE-SL I have been thinking about vinum across the two controlers and would be very interested to hear of experiences, especially with 3ware raid and vinum. The bios issue is very important and I'll have a solution before deploying in Singapore. I plan to work these issues out here in the office before sending it to the co-location facility. RealWeasel looks really interesting. Maybe I can even get on their "asses saved" page (LOL) The FnordSystem has Serverworks III HE-SL chipset. I've never used it but it does come well recommended although I don't remember anything from the specs about the ability to "spew" to the serial port,though.:-) Thanks again and I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, especially with vinum. ed Quoting Paul Chvostek : | | Hi Edwin. | | On the basis of your specs, I infer that you have unlimited cash. :) | | I have three things to add to your equation. Since this box will be | mostly inaccessible, you should probably allocate at least two drives | as spares in your RAID. Having one spare is obvious, but you really | don't want to have to do repairs to this unit even *after* a failure | if you can help it, and one more drive is (relatively) cheap. | | Which brings us to the second point. I've just been probing the list | regarding a problem I'm having with a Dell PowerEdge that has a | MegaRAID controller in it. I can't find any way to have the RAID | controller tell FreeBSD that there's a problem, without doing hardware | mods that void the warranty on the unit. (I'm still looking.) If you | plan to buy a brand-name box (Dell, IBM, whatever), MAKE SURE that the | configuration you're using includes the ability to report drive (and | fan and heat) problems to the operating system. The man page for | ports/sysutils/healthd lists a number of monitoring chipsets for the | basic stuff, but I don't know where you'd look for the RAID, unless | you don't mind the performance hit and are comfortable running vinum. | | The third point ... is that you want remote access to this box at all | times. The Dell PowerEdge server I installed yesterday has a BIOS | setting that apparently lets the unit spew its CMOS config interface | through the serial port. For a less vendor-specific solution, check | out http://www.realweasel.com/. It's an awesome product. | | When you complete your research, please let the list know. I'm sure | lots of us will be interested in your findings. | | p | | | On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: | > | > I need to co-locate a server in Singapore so reliability is | > important:-). I am thinking of something with a ServerWorks | > LE-based board, multiprocessor, but with one P-III Xeon to | > start, running at from 700 Mhz to 1,000 Mhz, 2Gb initial ram, | > an extremely well ventilated box with multiple, hot swap, | > power supplies 500-750 watts, each. I would like to have a | > Raid 10 array with from .5 TB to 1 TB initially. | > I find the 3ware escalade 64 bit, switched, 7000 series to be a a | > very compelling solution but I remember seeing a thread not long | > ago about it having pretty serious problems in one installation, | > but I've also heard some very good things about it. Does anyone | > know of a solid raid 10 SCSI solution for FreeBSD? | > | > All suggestions appreciated especially about 3ware, motherboard, | > drives, etc. If I remember the drives that were having problems | > in the 3ware thread were IBM, so they are out. I was thinking | > about maxtor, I've used several (7500 rpm) for a couple | > of years with no problems. | > | > Now for the hard part, our finance guy wants to lease the equipment | > and would prefer to buy from a supplier rather than build it in house.:-( | > He obviously suggested, IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. etc. all of which | > have more trade-offs than I would like to make. Does anyone know of a | real | > company that [could|would|does] build[s] something similar? | > | > Thanks, | > | > ed | > | > --- | > | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | | -- | Paul Chvostek | Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 598-0000 | IT Canada http://www.it.ca/ | | --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 7:34:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B5537B436 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f9AEYDY74775; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:34:13 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-hw@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: paul@it.ca Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id f9AEY9074766; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:34:10 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-hw@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Edwin Culp'" , "'Paul Chvostek'" Cc: Subject: RE: Server recommendation for co-location. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:34:44 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01c15198$b49b73d0$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <1002720909.3bc44e8dd35fa@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org 3ware have withdrawn sales of their controllers. see: http://www.3ware.com/products/EscaladeLetter.asp?Title=Product&subTitle= 3&ImageNumber=2 Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Edwin Culp Sent: 10 October 2001 14:35 To: Paul Chvostek Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. Paul, thank you for taking the time to make these suggestions. They are excellent and I will certainly share the results with the list. I have purchased what I consider to be the best solution for our company, right now. I know many folks will have issues with 3ware, drives in the same box, etc. but it meets our specs and is within our budget of "unlimited cash":-) that you mention and seems solid good ventilation, adequete power in a 4u box. The server can be seen at: http://www.fnordsystems.com/4U_fnord_430_product_page.shtmlServerworks III HE-SL I have been thinking about vinum across the two controlers and would be very interested to hear of experiences, especially with 3ware raid and vinum. The bios issue is very important and I'll have a solution before deploying in Singapore. I plan to work these issues out here in the office before sending it to the co-location facility. RealWeasel looks really interesting. Maybe I can even get on their "asses saved" page (LOL) The FnordSystem has Serverworks III HE-SL chipset. I've never used it but it does come well recommended although I don't remember anything from the specs about the ability to "spew" to the serial port,though.:-) Thanks again and I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, especially with vinum. ed Quoting Paul Chvostek : | | Hi Edwin. | | On the basis of your specs, I infer that you have unlimited cash. :) | | I have three things to add to your equation. Since this box will be | mostly inaccessible, you should probably allocate at least two drives | as spares in your RAID. Having one spare is obvious, but you really | don't want to have to do repairs to this unit even *after* a failure | if you can help it, and one more drive is (relatively) cheap. | | Which brings us to the second point. I've just been probing the list | regarding a problem I'm having with a Dell PowerEdge that has a | MegaRAID controller in it. I can't find any way to have the RAID | controller tell FreeBSD that there's a problem, without doing hardware | mods that void the warranty on the unit. (I'm still looking.) If you | plan to buy a brand-name box (Dell, IBM, whatever), MAKE SURE that the | configuration you're using includes the ability to report drive (and | fan and heat) problems to the operating system. The man page for | ports/sysutils/healthd lists a number of monitoring chipsets for the | basic stuff, but I don't know where you'd look for the RAID, unless | you don't mind the performance hit and are comfortable running vinum. | | The third point ... is that you want remote access to this box at all | times. The Dell PowerEdge server I installed yesterday has a BIOS | setting that apparently lets the unit spew its CMOS config interface | through the serial port. For a less vendor-specific solution, check | out http://www.realweasel.com/. It's an awesome product. | | When you complete your research, please let the list know. I'm sure | lots of us will be interested in your findings. | | p | | | On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: | > | > I need to co-locate a server in Singapore so reliability is | > important:-). I am thinking of something with a ServerWorks | > LE-based board, multiprocessor, but with one P-III Xeon to | > start, running at from 700 Mhz to 1,000 Mhz, 2Gb initial ram, | > an extremely well ventilated box with multiple, hot swap, | > power supplies 500-750 watts, each. I would like to have a | > Raid 10 array with from .5 TB to 1 TB initially. | > I find the 3ware escalade 64 bit, switched, 7000 series to be a a | > very compelling solution but I remember seeing a thread not long | > ago about it having pretty serious problems in one installation, | > but I've also heard some very good things about it. Does anyone | > know of a solid raid 10 SCSI solution for FreeBSD? | > | > All suggestions appreciated especially about 3ware, motherboard, | > drives, etc. If I remember the drives that were having problems | > in the 3ware thread were IBM, so they are out. I was thinking | > about maxtor, I've used several (7500 rpm) for a couple | > of years with no problems. | > | > Now for the hard part, our finance guy wants to lease the equipment | > and would prefer to buy from a supplier rather than build it in house.:-( | > He obviously suggested, IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. etc. all of which | > have more trade-offs than I would like to make. Does anyone know of a | real | > company that [could|would|does] build[s] something similar? | > | > Thanks, | > | > ed | > | > --- | > | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | | -- | Paul Chvostek | Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 598-0000 | IT Canada http://www.it.ca/ | | --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 7:58:58 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from EnContacto.Net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C18737B40B; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by EnContacto.Net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9AEvvt68586; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:57:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 24.20.19.75 ( [24.20.19.75]) as user eculp@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:57:57 -0700 Message-ID: <1002725877.3bc461f518856@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:57:57 -0700 From: Edwin Culp To: Lawrence Farr Cc: "'Paul Chvostek'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, msmith@freebsd.org, eric@fnordsystems.com Subject: RE: Server recommendation for co-location. References: <001b01c15198$b49b73d0$c806a8c0@lfarr> In-Reply-To: <001b01c15198$b49b73d0$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs X-Originating-IP: 24.20.19.75 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thanks, Lawrence. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if Mike Smith would be kind enough to add a little of his first hand knowledge of 3ware and if we should jump ship. Thanks, ed Quoting Lawrence Farr : | 3ware have withdrawn sales of their controllers. see: | | http://www.3ware.com/products/EscaladeLetter.asp?Title=Product&subTitle= | 3&ImageNumber=2 | | Lawrence Farr | EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk | T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG | [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Edwin Culp | Sent: 10 October 2001 14:35 | To: Paul Chvostek | Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG | Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. | | | Paul, thank you for taking the time to make these suggestions. They are | excellent and I will certainly share the results with the list. | | I have purchased what I consider to be the best solution for our | company, | right now. I know many folks will have issues with 3ware, drives in the | | same box, etc. but it meets our specs and is within our budget of | "unlimited | cash":-) that you mention and seems solid good ventilation, adequete | power | in a 4u box. The server can be seen at: | http://www.fnordsystems.com/4U_fnord_430_product_page.shtmlServerworks | III HE-SL | | I have been thinking about vinum across the two controlers and would be | very | interested to hear of experiences, especially with 3ware raid and vinum. | The | bios issue is very important and I'll have a solution before deploying | in | Singapore. I plan to work these issues out here in the office before | sending | it to the co-location facility. RealWeasel looks really interesting. | Maybe | I can even get on their "asses saved" page (LOL) The FnordSystem has | Serverworks III HE-SL chipset. I've never used it but it does come well | recommended although I don't remember anything from the specs about the | ability to "spew" to the serial port,though.:-) | | Thanks again and I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, | especially | with vinum. | | ed | | | | Quoting Paul Chvostek : | | | | | Hi Edwin. | | | | On the basis of your specs, I infer that you have unlimited cash. :) | | | | I have three things to add to your equation. Since this box will be | | mostly inaccessible, you should probably allocate at least two drives | | as spares in your RAID. Having one spare is obvious, but you really | | don't want to have to do repairs to this unit even *after* a failure | | if you can help it, and one more drive is (relatively) cheap. | | | | Which brings us to the second point. I've just been probing the list | | regarding a problem I'm having with a Dell PowerEdge that has a | | MegaRAID controller in it. I can't find any way to have the RAID | | controller tell FreeBSD that there's a problem, without doing hardware | | mods that void the warranty on the unit. (I'm still looking.) If you | | plan to buy a brand-name box (Dell, IBM, whatever), MAKE SURE that the | | configuration you're using includes the ability to report drive (and | | fan and heat) problems to the operating system. The man page for | | ports/sysutils/healthd lists a number of monitoring chipsets for the | | basic stuff, but I don't know where you'd look for the RAID, unless | | you don't mind the performance hit and are comfortable running vinum. | | | | The third point ... is that you want remote access to this box at all | | times. The Dell PowerEdge server I installed yesterday has a BIOS | | setting that apparently lets the unit spew its CMOS config interface | | through the serial port. For a less vendor-specific solution, check | | out http://www.realweasel.com/. It's an awesome product. | | | | When you complete your research, please let the list know. I'm sure | | lots of us will be interested in your findings. | | | | p | | | | | | On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: | | > | | > I need to co-locate a server in Singapore so reliability is | | > important:-). I am thinking of something with a ServerWorks | | > LE-based board, multiprocessor, but with one P-III Xeon to | | > start, running at from 700 Mhz to 1,000 Mhz, 2Gb initial ram, | | > an extremely well ventilated box with multiple, hot swap, | | > power supplies 500-750 watts, each. I would like to have a | | > Raid 10 array with from .5 TB to 1 TB initially. | | > I find the 3ware escalade 64 bit, switched, 7000 series to be a a | | > very compelling solution but I remember seeing a thread not long | | > ago about it having pretty serious problems in one installation, | | > but I've also heard some very good things about it. Does anyone | | > know of a solid raid 10 SCSI solution for FreeBSD? | | > | | > All suggestions appreciated especially about 3ware, motherboard, | | > drives, etc. If I remember the drives that were having problems | | > in the 3ware thread were IBM, so they are out. I was thinking | | > about maxtor, I've used several (7500 rpm) for a couple | | > of years with no problems. | | > | | > Now for the hard part, our finance guy wants to lease the equipment | | > and would prefer to buy from a supplier rather than build it in | house.:-( | | > He obviously suggested, IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. etc. all of | which | | > have more trade-offs than I would like to make. Does anyone know of | a | | real | | > company that [could|would|does] build[s] something similar? | | > | | > Thanks, | | > | | > ed | | > | | > --- | | > | | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | | | | -- | | Paul Chvostek | | | Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 | 598-0000 | | IT Canada | http://www.it.ca/ | | | | | | | | | --- | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | | --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 8: 3:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62B8637B407; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f9AF2Xj76326; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:02:33 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-hw@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: paul@it.ca Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id f9AF2Q076317; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:02:26 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-hw@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Edwin Culp'" Cc: "'Paul Chvostek'" , , , Subject: RE: Server recommendation for co-location. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:03:00 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c1519c$a9d74510$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: <1002725877.3bc461f518856@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Im desperately searching for alternatives. At the moment it's 2 of the Adaptec 2400A's instead. Im open to suggestions from anyone though, as I have a BIG (50Tb+) project coming up! Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 -----Original Message----- From: Edwin Culp [mailto:eculp@EnContacto.Net] Sent: 10 October 2001 15:58 To: Lawrence Farr Cc: 'Paul Chvostek'; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; msmith@freebsd.org; eric@fnordsystems.com Subject: RE: Server recommendation for co-location. Thanks, Lawrence. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if Mike Smith would be kind enough to add a little of his first hand knowledge of 3ware and if we should jump ship. Thanks, ed Quoting Lawrence Farr : | 3ware have withdrawn sales of their controllers. see: | | http://www.3ware.com/products/EscaladeLetter.asp?Title=Product&subTitle= | 3&ImageNumber=2 | | Lawrence Farr | EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk | T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 | | -----Original Message----- | From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG | [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Edwin Culp | Sent: 10 October 2001 14:35 | To: Paul Chvostek | Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG | Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. | | | Paul, thank you for taking the time to make these suggestions. They are | excellent and I will certainly share the results with the list. | | I have purchased what I consider to be the best solution for our | company, | right now. I know many folks will have issues with 3ware, drives in the | | same box, etc. but it meets our specs and is within our budget of | "unlimited | cash":-) that you mention and seems solid good ventilation, adequete | power | in a 4u box. The server can be seen at: | http://www.fnordsystems.com/4U_fnord_430_product_page.shtmlServerworks | III HE-SL | | I have been thinking about vinum across the two controlers and would be | very | interested to hear of experiences, especially with 3ware raid and vinum. | The | bios issue is very important and I'll have a solution before deploying | in | Singapore. I plan to work these issues out here in the office before | sending | it to the co-location facility. RealWeasel looks really interesting. | Maybe | I can even get on their "asses saved" page (LOL) The FnordSystem has | Serverworks III HE-SL chipset. I've never used it but it does come well | recommended although I don't remember anything from the specs about the | ability to "spew" to the serial port,though.:-) | | Thanks again and I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, | especially | with vinum. | | ed | | | | Quoting Paul Chvostek : | | | | | Hi Edwin. | | | | On the basis of your specs, I infer that you have unlimited cash. :) | | | | I have three things to add to your equation. Since this box will be | | mostly inaccessible, you should probably allocate at least two drives | | as spares in your RAID. Having one spare is obvious, but you really | | don't want to have to do repairs to this unit even *after* a failure | | if you can help it, and one more drive is (relatively) cheap. | | | | Which brings us to the second point. I've just been probing the list | | regarding a problem I'm having with a Dell PowerEdge that has a | | MegaRAID controller in it. I can't find any way to have the RAID | | controller tell FreeBSD that there's a problem, without doing hardware | | mods that void the warranty on the unit. (I'm still looking.) If you | | plan to buy a brand-name box (Dell, IBM, whatever), MAKE SURE that the | | configuration you're using includes the ability to report drive (and | | fan and heat) problems to the operating system. The man page for | | ports/sysutils/healthd lists a number of monitoring chipsets for the | | basic stuff, but I don't know where you'd look for the RAID, unless | | you don't mind the performance hit and are comfortable running vinum. | | | | The third point ... is that you want remote access to this box at all | | times. The Dell PowerEdge server I installed yesterday has a BIOS | | setting that apparently lets the unit spew its CMOS config interface | | through the serial port. For a less vendor-specific solution, check | | out http://www.realweasel.com/. It's an awesome product. | | | | When you complete your research, please let the list know. I'm sure | | lots of us will be interested in your findings. | | | | p | | | | | | On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: | | > | | > I need to co-locate a server in Singapore so reliability is | | > important:-). I am thinking of something with a ServerWorks | | > LE-based board, multiprocessor, but with one P-III Xeon to | | > start, running at from 700 Mhz to 1,000 Mhz, 2Gb initial ram, | | > an extremely well ventilated box with multiple, hot swap, | | > power supplies 500-750 watts, each. I would like to have a | | > Raid 10 array with from .5 TB to 1 TB initially. | | > I find the 3ware escalade 64 bit, switched, 7000 series to be a a | | > very compelling solution but I remember seeing a thread not long | | > ago about it having pretty serious problems in one installation, | | > but I've also heard some very good things about it. Does anyone | | > know of a solid raid 10 SCSI solution for FreeBSD? | | > | | > All suggestions appreciated especially about 3ware, motherboard, | | > drives, etc. If I remember the drives that were having problems | | > in the 3ware thread were IBM, so they are out. I was thinking | | > about maxtor, I've used several (7500 rpm) for a couple | | > of years with no problems. | | > | | > Now for the hard part, our finance guy wants to lease the equipment | | > and would prefer to buy from a supplier rather than build it in | house.:-( | | > He obviously suggested, IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. etc. all of | which | | > have more trade-offs than I would like to make. Does anyone know of | a | | real | | > company that [could|would|does] build[s] something similar? | | > | | > Thanks, | | > | | > ed | | > | | > --- | | > | | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | | | | -- | | Paul Chvostek | | | Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 | 598-0000 | | IT Canada | http://www.it.ca/ | | | | | | | | | --- | | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | | --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 8:27:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from tandem.milestonerdl.com (tandem.milestonerdl.com [204.107.138.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A05D37B407 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 08:27:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tandem (tandem [204.107.138.1]) by tandem.milestonerdl.com (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id f9AFY8w0017207 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:34:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:34:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Marc Rassbach To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Compaq presario 5340 series CM0900 doesn't boot correctly Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Trying to install FreeBSD 4.3/4.4 from CD, when the intall process goes to touch the hard drive, it claims it can not write to the drive, and the install fails. I can install the OS on a different box, put that drive in the compaq, and it will boot. Once. The second boot will either give me a trashed boot loader or a crash w/register dump. Any ideas how to get past these problems beyond replacing the box or going to SCSI? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 9:32:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from EnContacto.Net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A57A37B40A for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by EnContacto.Net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9AGWOU69906; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:32:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 24.20.19.75 ( [24.20.19.75]) as user eculp@SavvyWorld.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:32:24 -0700 Message-ID: <1002731544.3bc47818c1176@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 09:32:24 -0700 From: Edwin Culp To: John Von Essen Cc: hardware@freebsd.org, eric@fnordsystems.com Subject: RE: Server recommendation for co-location. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs X-Originating-IP: 24.20.19.75 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting John Von Essen : | I highly recommend the ADAPTEC 2400A ATA RAID Card in replacement of the | 3ware stuff. Adaptec has made a real commitement to support non-Windows | OS's. The only down side is the card only supports 4 drives. | | (Personally, I would never use IDE RAID, the Adaptec 3200S Ultra160 | 64-bit SCSI RAID Card is the way to go) Thanks, John. The adaptec 320s would have been my choice if our resources were not so limited and if I hadn't listened to so many "success stories" with 3ware that I really wanted to believe. Plus, this machine was planed with a 2 year obsolescence. ed | | John Von Essen | john@essenz.com | | On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Edwin Culp wrote: | | > Thanks, Lawrence. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if Mike Smith | > would be kind enough to add a little of his first hand knowledge | > of 3ware and if we should jump ship. | > | > Thanks, | > | > ed | > | > Quoting Lawrence Farr : | > | > | 3ware have withdrawn sales of their controllers. see: | > | | > | | http://www.3ware.com/products/EscaladeLetter.asp?Title=Product&subTitle= | > | 3&ImageNumber=2 | > | | > | Lawrence Farr | > | EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk | > | T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 | > | | > | -----Original Message----- | > | From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG | > | [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Edwin Culp | > | Sent: 10 October 2001 14:35 | > | To: Paul Chvostek | > | Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG | > | Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. | > | | > | | > | Paul, thank you for taking the time to make these suggestions. They | are | > | excellent and I will certainly share the results with the list. | > | | > | I have purchased what I consider to be the best solution for our | > | company, | > | right now. I know many folks will have issues with 3ware, drives in | the | > | | > | same box, etc. but it meets our specs and is within our budget of | > | "unlimited | > | cash":-) that you mention and seems solid good ventilation, adequete | > | power | > | in a 4u box. The server can be seen at: | > | http://www.fnordsystems.com/4U_fnord_430_product_page.shtmlServerworks | > | III HE-SL | > | | > | I have been thinking about vinum across the two controlers and would be | > | very | > | interested to hear of experiences, especially with 3ware raid and | vinum. | > | The | > | bios issue is very important and I'll have a solution before deploying | > | in | > | Singapore. I plan to work these issues out here in the office before | > | sending | > | it to the co-location facility. RealWeasel looks really interesting. | > | Maybe | > | I can even get on their "asses saved" page (LOL) The FnordSystem has | > | Serverworks III HE-SL chipset. I've never used it but it does come well | > | recommended although I don't remember anything from the specs about the | | > | ability to "spew" to the serial port,though.:-) | > | | > | Thanks again and I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, | > | especially | > | with vinum. | > | | > | ed | > | | > | | > | | > | Quoting Paul Chvostek : | > | | > | | | > | | Hi Edwin. | > | | | > | | On the basis of your specs, I infer that you have unlimited cash. :) | > | | | > | | I have three things to add to your equation. Since this box will be | > | | mostly inaccessible, you should probably allocate at least two drives | > | | as spares in your RAID. Having one spare is obvious, but you really | > | | don't want to have to do repairs to this unit even *after* a failure | > | | if you can help it, and one more drive is (relatively) cheap. | > | | | > | | Which brings us to the second point. I've just been probing the list | > | | regarding a problem I'm having with a Dell PowerEdge that has a | > | | MegaRAID controller in it. I can't find any way to have the RAID | > | | controller tell FreeBSD that there's a problem, without doing | hardware | > | | mods that void the warranty on the unit. (I'm still looking.) If | you | > | | plan to buy a brand-name box (Dell, IBM, whatever), MAKE SURE that | the | > | | configuration you're using includes the ability to report drive (and | > | | fan and heat) problems to the operating system. The man page for | > | | ports/sysutils/healthd lists a number of monitoring chipsets for the | > | | basic stuff, but I don't know where you'd look for the RAID, unless | > | | you don't mind the performance hit and are comfortable running vinum. | > | | | > | | The third point ... is that you want remote access to this box at all | > | | times. The Dell PowerEdge server I installed yesterday has a BIOS | > | | setting that apparently lets the unit spew its CMOS config interface | > | | through the serial port. For a less vendor-specific solution, check | > | | out http://www.realweasel.com/. It's an awesome product. | > | | | > | | When you complete your research, please let the list know. I'm sure | > | | lots of us will be interested in your findings. | > | | | > | | p | > | | | > | | | > | | On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: | > | | > | > | | > I need to co-locate a server in Singapore so reliability is | > | | > important:-). I am thinking of something with a ServerWorks | > | | > LE-based board, multiprocessor, but with one P-III Xeon to | > | | > start, running at from 700 Mhz to 1,000 Mhz, 2Gb initial ram, | > | | > an extremely well ventilated box with multiple, hot swap, | > | | > power supplies 500-750 watts, each. I would like to have a | > | | > Raid 10 array with from .5 TB to 1 TB initially. | > | | > I find the 3ware escalade 64 bit, switched, 7000 series to be a a | > | | > very compelling solution but I remember seeing a thread not long | > | | > ago about it having pretty serious problems in one installation, | > | | > but I've also heard some very good things about it. Does anyone | > | | > know of a solid raid 10 SCSI solution for FreeBSD? | > | | > | > | | > All suggestions appreciated especially about 3ware, motherboard, | > | | > drives, etc. If I remember the drives that were having problems | > | | > in the 3ware thread were IBM, so they are out. I was thinking | > | | > about maxtor, I've used several (7500 rpm) for a couple | > | | > of years with no problems. | > | | > | > | | > Now for the hard part, our finance guy wants to lease the equipment | > | | > and would prefer to buy from a supplier rather than build it in | > | house.:-( | > | | > He obviously suggested, IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. etc. all of | > | which | > | | > have more trade-offs than I would like to make. Does anyone know | of | > | a | > | | real | > | | > company that [could|would|does] build[s] something similar? | > | | > | > | | > Thanks, | > | | > | > | | > ed | > | | > | > | | > --- | > | | > | > | | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | > | | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | > | | | > | | -- | > | | Paul Chvostek | > | | > | | Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 | > | 598-0000 | > | | IT Canada | > | http://www.it.ca/ | > | | | > | | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | --- | > | | > | To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | > | with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | > | | > | | > | > | > | > | > --- | > | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | > | | --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 10:47:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7143A37B403; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AHvoY01277; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110101757.f9AHvoY01277@mass.dis.org> To: Edwin Culp Cc: Lawrence Farr , "'Paul Chvostek'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, msmith@freebsd.org, eric@fnordsystems.com, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. In-Reply-To: Message from Edwin Culp of "Wed, 10 Oct 2001 07:57:57 PDT." <1002725877.3bc461f518856@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:57:50 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Thanks, Lawrence. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if Mike Smith > would be kind enough to add a little of his first hand knowledge > of 3ware and if we should jump ship. There really isn't anything to say. The hardware works and isn't about to magically stop working, but you won't be able to buy it new for much longer. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 10:59:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (paperboy.sixforty.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A455537B40A; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 10:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f9AHwOi83674; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:58:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-hw@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: paul@it.ca Received: from lfarr (daisy.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.sixforty.co.uk (8.11.1/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id f9AHwL083666; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:58:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd-hw@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: "'Mike Smith'" , "'Edwin Culp'" Cc: "'Paul Chvostek'" , , , Subject: RE: Server recommendation for co-location. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:58:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c151b5$3ac51710$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <200110101757.f9AHvoY01277@mass.dis.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Are there any other 8 port IDE controllers you know of? or is it 2x4 port Adaptecs? Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 -----Original Message----- From: Mike Smith [mailto:msmith@freebsd.org] Sent: 10 October 2001 18:58 To: Edwin Culp Cc: Lawrence Farr; 'Paul Chvostek'; freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; msmith@freebsd.org; eric@fnordsystems.com; msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. > Thanks, Lawrence. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if Mike Smith > would be kind enough to add a little of his first hand knowledge > of 3ware and if we should jump ship. There really isn't anything to say. The hardware works and isn't about to magically stop working, but you won't be able to buy it new for much longer. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 11:23: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from gahch.it.ca (gahch.it.ca [216.126.86.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D2A37B401 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from paul@localhost) by gahch.it.ca (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9AIMnw61377; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:22:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from paul) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:22:49 -0400 From: Paul Chvostek To: Edwin Culp Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. Message-ID: <20011010142249.H14443@gahch.it.ca> References: <1001470583.3bb13a7799dd4@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> <20011010040211.A36943@gahch.it.ca> <1002720909.3bc44e8dd35fa@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1002720909.3bc44e8dd35fa@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net>; from eculp@EnContacto.Net on Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 06:35:09AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi Edwin. I've been using vinum for years to run various levels of RAID. I'm not in your "unlimited cash" position; my requirements are usually pretty severely tempered by finances. Right at the moment, I've got a vinum RAID10 system that consists of four 40GB UDMA100 drives on a 300MHz P-II. The system handles about 15000 mailboxes, running an average of about 40000 unique emails per day (not counting inbound attempts from places on a dnsbl). Another system is a Pentium-166 overclocked to 187MHz with a single Adaptec 2940 with five wide 18GB disks in it. The machine serves up web pages for about 300 domains, pushing an average of about 400Kbps of traffic. I have "forced" single drive failures on both machines to experiment with vinum's behaviour. With the RAID10, I was able to shut down the machine and replace the pulled drive with a blank spare, and when the box rebooted, vinum rand the drives for a while to resync, and then everything was back to normal. Similar story on the box with the SCSI RAID5, only I was ablt to shut off and replace the drive without rebooting the server courtesy of camcontrol(8). For this kind of volume I really don't need UW160 and platters that spin at 10krpm. Sure, Internet services take lots of disk IO if you're really popular, but with enough memory and SOFTUPDATES running, I really don't see the need to go overboard. YMMV. If you want to put together your own hardware, I'm partial to the cases sold by General Technics at http://gtweb.net/. p On Wed, Oct 10, 2001 at 06:35:09AM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: > > Paul, thank you for taking the time to make these suggestions. They are > excellent and I will certainly share the results with the list. > > I have purchased what I consider to be the best solution for our company, > right now. I know many folks will have issues with 3ware, drives in the > same box, etc. but it meets our specs and is within our budget of "unlimited > cash":-) that you mention and seems solid good ventilation, adequete power > in a 4u box. The server can be seen at: > http://www.fnordsystems.com/4U_fnord_430_product_page.shtmlServerworks III HE-SL > > I have been thinking about vinum across the two controlers and would be very > interested to hear of experiences, especially with 3ware raid and vinum. The > bios issue is very important and I'll have a solution before deploying in > Singapore. I plan to work these issues out here in the office before sending > it to the co-location facility. RealWeasel looks really interesting. Maybe > I can even get on their "asses saved" page (LOL) The FnordSystem has > Serverworks III HE-SL chipset. I've never used it but it does come well > recommended although I don't remember anything from the specs about the > ability to "spew" to the serial port,though.:-) > > Thanks again and I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, especially > with vinum. > > ed > > > > Quoting Paul Chvostek : > > | > | Hi Edwin. > | > | On the basis of your specs, I infer that you have unlimited cash. :) > | > | I have three things to add to your equation. Since this box will be > | mostly inaccessible, you should probably allocate at least two drives > | as spares in your RAID. Having one spare is obvious, but you really > | don't want to have to do repairs to this unit even *after* a failure > | if you can help it, and one more drive is (relatively) cheap. > | > | Which brings us to the second point. I've just been probing the list > | regarding a problem I'm having with a Dell PowerEdge that has a > | MegaRAID controller in it. I can't find any way to have the RAID > | controller tell FreeBSD that there's a problem, without doing hardware > | mods that void the warranty on the unit. (I'm still looking.) If you > | plan to buy a brand-name box (Dell, IBM, whatever), MAKE SURE that the > | configuration you're using includes the ability to report drive (and > | fan and heat) problems to the operating system. The man page for > | ports/sysutils/healthd lists a number of monitoring chipsets for the > | basic stuff, but I don't know where you'd look for the RAID, unless > | you don't mind the performance hit and are comfortable running vinum. > | > | The third point ... is that you want remote access to this box at all > | times. The Dell PowerEdge server I installed yesterday has a BIOS > | setting that apparently lets the unit spew its CMOS config interface > | through the serial port. For a less vendor-specific solution, check > | out http://www.realweasel.com/. It's an awesome product. > | > | When you complete your research, please let the list know. I'm sure > | lots of us will be interested in your findings. > | > | p > | > | > | On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: > | > > | > I need to co-locate a server in Singapore so reliability is > | > important:-). I am thinking of something with a ServerWorks > | > LE-based board, multiprocessor, but with one P-III Xeon to > | > start, running at from 700 Mhz to 1,000 Mhz, 2Gb initial ram, > | > an extremely well ventilated box with multiple, hot swap, > | > power supplies 500-750 watts, each. I would like to have a > | > Raid 10 array with from .5 TB to 1 TB initially. > | > I find the 3ware escalade 64 bit, switched, 7000 series to be a a > | > very compelling solution but I remember seeing a thread not long > | > ago about it having pretty serious problems in one installation, > | > but I've also heard some very good things about it. Does anyone > | > know of a solid raid 10 SCSI solution for FreeBSD? > | > > | > All suggestions appreciated especially about 3ware, motherboard, > | > drives, etc. If I remember the drives that were having problems > | > in the 3ware thread were IBM, so they are out. I was thinking > | > about maxtor, I've used several (7500 rpm) for a couple > | > of years with no problems. > | > > | > Now for the hard part, our finance guy wants to lease the equipment > | > and would prefer to buy from a supplier rather than build it in house.:-( > | > He obviously suggested, IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. etc. all of which > | > have more trade-offs than I would like to make. Does anyone know of a > | real > | > company that [could|would|does] build[s] something similar? > | > > | > Thanks, > | > > | > ed > | > > | > --- > | > > | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > | > | -- > | Paul Chvostek > | Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 598-0000 > | IT Canada http://www.it.ca/ > | > | > > > > > --- -- Paul Chvostek Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 598-0000 IT Canada http://www.it.ca/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 13:28:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AA837B401 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from columbia ([12.93.208.3]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20011010202841.YZAB21828.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@columbia>; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:28:41 +0000 From: "Andrew C. Hornback" To: "Lawrence Farr" , "'Edwin Culp'" , "'Paul Chvostek'" Cc: Subject: RE: Server recommendation for co-location. Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 16:27:09 -0400 Message-ID: <00e301c151c9$eff0da20$6600000a@columbia> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <001b01c15198$b49b73d0$c806a8c0@lfarr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org They must be serious about not selling the Escalade series anymore... that link and any information about the Escalade is missing from their site. Wonder if this has anything to do with Cadillac using the name as well? *lost, and in the dark* --- Andy > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Lawrence Farr > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 10:35 AM > To: 'Edwin Culp'; 'Paul Chvostek' > Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org > Subject: RE: Server recommendation for co-location. > > > 3ware have withdrawn sales of their controllers. see: > > http://www.3ware.com/products/EscaladeLetter.asp?Title=Product&subTitle= > 3&ImageNumber=2 > > Lawrence Farr > EPC Direct Limited mailto:lawrence@epcdirect.co.uk > T:01179666123 F:01179666111 M:07970780901 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Edwin Culp > Sent: 10 October 2001 14:35 > To: Paul Chvostek > Cc: freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. > > > Paul, thank you for taking the time to make these suggestions. They are > excellent and I will certainly share the results with the list. > > I have purchased what I consider to be the best solution for our > company, > right now. I know many folks will have issues with 3ware, drives in the > > same box, etc. but it meets our specs and is within our budget of > "unlimited > cash":-) that you mention and seems solid good ventilation, adequete > power > in a 4u box. The server can be seen at: > http://www.fnordsystems.com/4U_fnord_430_product_page.shtmlServerworks > III HE-SL > > I have been thinking about vinum across the two controlers and would be > very > interested to hear of experiences, especially with 3ware raid and vinum. > The > bios issue is very important and I'll have a solution before deploying > in > Singapore. I plan to work these issues out here in the office before > sending > it to the co-location facility. RealWeasel looks really interesting. > Maybe > I can even get on their "asses saved" page (LOL) The FnordSystem has > Serverworks III HE-SL chipset. I've never used it but it does come well > recommended although I don't remember anything from the specs about the > ability to "spew" to the serial port,though.:-) > > Thanks again and I would appreciate any comments or suggestions, > especially > with vinum. > > ed > > > > Quoting Paul Chvostek : > > | > | Hi Edwin. > | > | On the basis of your specs, I infer that you have unlimited cash. :) > | > | I have three things to add to your equation. Since this box will be > | mostly inaccessible, you should probably allocate at least two drives > | as spares in your RAID. Having one spare is obvious, but you really > | don't want to have to do repairs to this unit even *after* a failure > | if you can help it, and one more drive is (relatively) cheap. > | > | Which brings us to the second point. I've just been probing the list > | regarding a problem I'm having with a Dell PowerEdge that has a > | MegaRAID controller in it. I can't find any way to have the RAID > | controller tell FreeBSD that there's a problem, without doing hardware > | mods that void the warranty on the unit. (I'm still looking.) If you > | plan to buy a brand-name box (Dell, IBM, whatever), MAKE SURE that the > | configuration you're using includes the ability to report drive (and > | fan and heat) problems to the operating system. The man page for > | ports/sysutils/healthd lists a number of monitoring chipsets for the > | basic stuff, but I don't know where you'd look for the RAID, unless > | you don't mind the performance hit and are comfortable running vinum. > | > | The third point ... is that you want remote access to this box at all > | times. The Dell PowerEdge server I installed yesterday has a BIOS > | setting that apparently lets the unit spew its CMOS config interface > | through the serial port. For a less vendor-specific solution, check > | out http://www.realweasel.com/. It's an awesome product. > | > | When you complete your research, please let the list know. I'm sure > | lots of us will be interested in your findings. > | > | p > | > | > | On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 07:16:23PM -0700, Edwin Culp wrote: > | > > | > I need to co-locate a server in Singapore so reliability is > | > important:-). I am thinking of something with a ServerWorks > | > LE-based board, multiprocessor, but with one P-III Xeon to > | > start, running at from 700 Mhz to 1,000 Mhz, 2Gb initial ram, > | > an extremely well ventilated box with multiple, hot swap, > | > power supplies 500-750 watts, each. I would like to have a > | > Raid 10 array with from .5 TB to 1 TB initially. > | > I find the 3ware escalade 64 bit, switched, 7000 series to be a a > | > very compelling solution but I remember seeing a thread not long > | > ago about it having pretty serious problems in one installation, > | > but I've also heard some very good things about it. Does anyone > | > know of a solid raid 10 SCSI solution for FreeBSD? > | > > | > All suggestions appreciated especially about 3ware, motherboard, > | > drives, etc. If I remember the drives that were having problems > | > in the 3ware thread were IBM, so they are out. I was thinking > | > about maxtor, I've used several (7500 rpm) for a couple > | > of years with no problems. > | > > | > Now for the hard part, our finance guy wants to lease the equipment > | > and would prefer to buy from a supplier rather than build it in > house.:-( > | > He obviously suggested, IBM, Dell, HP, Compaq, etc. etc. all of > which > | > have more trade-offs than I would like to make. Does anyone know of > a > | real > | > company that [could|would|does] build[s] something similar? > | > > | > Thanks, > | > > | > ed > | > > | > --- > | > > | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > | > | -- > | Paul Chvostek > > | Operations / Development / Abuse / Whatever vox: +1 416 > 598-0000 > | IT Canada > http://www.it.ca/ > | > | > > > > > --- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 13:46:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1FD37B401; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AKvAY02986; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:57:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110102057.f9AKvAY02986@mass.dis.org> To: "Lawrence Farr" Cc: "'Mike Smith'" , "'Edwin Culp'" , "'Paul Chvostek'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, eric@fnordsystems.com, msmith@mass.dis.org, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. In-Reply-To: Message from "Lawrence Farr" of "Wed, 10 Oct 2001 18:58:55 BST." <000901c151b5$3ac51710$c806a8c0@lfarr> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:57:10 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Are there any other 8 port IDE controllers you know of? or is it 2x4 > port Adaptecs? No, sorry, there aren't. The Adaptec's aren't so great either. 8( To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 14:34:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from EnContacto.Net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4B537B403; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:34:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by EnContacto.Net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9ALPh273897; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:25:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 24.20.19.75 ( [24.20.19.75]) as user eculp@SavvyWorld.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:25:43 -0700 Message-ID: <1002749143.3bc4bcd72152b@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:25:43 -0700 From: Edwin Culp To: Mike Smith Cc: Lawrence Farr , "'Paul Chvostek'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, msmith@freebsd.org, eric@fnordsystems.com, msmith@mass.dis.org Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. References: <200110101757.f9AHvoY01277@mass.dis.org> In-Reply-To: <200110101757.f9AHvoY01277@mass.dis.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs X-Originating-IP: 24.20.19.75 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Quoting Mike Smith : | > Thanks, Lawrence. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if Mike Smith | > would be kind enough to add a little of his first hand knowledge | > of 3ware and if we should jump ship. | | | There really isn't anything to say. The hardware works and isn't | about to magically stop working, but you won't be able to buy it new | for much longer. | | That is exactly what I wanted and expected to hear, Mike. Thanks so much. ed --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 14:45:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [64.124.90.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DEA37B408; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xwin.nmhtech.com (xwin.daemontech.net [208.135.51.161]) by krell.webweaver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F407320F10; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1002749143.3bc4bcd72152b@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:45:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Hodge Podge To: Edwin Culp Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. Cc: msmith@mass.dis.org, eric@fnordsystems.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, Paul Chvostek , Lawrence Farr , Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can anyone elaborate on why they are recalling the Escalade 7000 cards? Also it seems that the "letter to customers" is now no longer there :( Nicole On 10-Oct-01 Edwin Culp wrote: > Quoting Mike Smith : > >| > Thanks, Lawrence. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if Mike Smith >| > would be kind enough to add a little of his first hand knowledge >| > of 3ware and if we should jump ship. >| >| >| There really isn't anything to say. The hardware works and isn't >| about to magically stop working, but you won't be able to buy it new >| for much longer. >| >| > > > That is exactly what I wanted and expected to hear, Mike. Thanks so much. > > ed > > --- > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Nicole Harrington | AKA Hodge Podge * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- HomePage http://www.unixgirl.com/ DangerMouse Site  http://www.dangermouse.org/ Photography Site http://www.deviantimages.com/ Band Site http://www.honeyshot.mu ** Powered By Coca-Cola, FreeBSD and Rock & Roll ** ** All Female Rock Power Trio - WWW.Honeyshot.mu ** -- We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams. --Willy Wonka, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. ---------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 14:59: 2 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8D737B406 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9AM9kY03818; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:09:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110102209.f9AM9kY03818@mass.dis.org> To: Hodge Podge Cc: Edwin Culp , msmith@mass.dis.org, eric@fnordsystems.com, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, Paul Chvostek , Lawrence Farr Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. In-Reply-To: Message from Hodge Podge of "Wed, 10 Oct 2001 14:45:00 PDT." Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 15:09:46 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Can anyone elaborate on why they are recalling the Escalade 7000 cards? > Also it seems that the "letter to customers" is now no longer there :( It's my understanding that the design does not provide enough power supply margin for the ASIC parts on the 7000, leading to the symptoms that you saw under heavy load. Regards, Mike To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 17: 3:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from EnContacto.Net (adsl-64-173-182-158.dsl.mtry01.pacbell.net [64.173.182.158]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F308E37B40D for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by EnContacto.Net (8.11.6/8.11.4) id f9B03JO75077; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:03:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eculp@EnContacto.Net) Received: from 24.20.19.75 ( [24.20.19.75]) as user eculp@SavvyWorld.Net by Mail.SavvyWorld.Net with HTTP; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:03:19 -0700 Message-ID: <1002758599.3bc4e1c73f8d4@Mail.SavvyWorld.Net> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:03:19 -0700 From: Edwin Culp To: Hodge Podge Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 2.3.7-cvs X-Originating-IP: 24.20.19.75 Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Nicole, Good to hear from you. I was wondering how the problem that you had with the 3ware card and, how many were there, 8 disks finished. I have asked the same question and one of 3ware's customers has the following to say, | | Regarding the 3Ware recall, there are still plenty of 3Ware 7810s in the | channel. They haven't been recalled due to any hardware bug, but a 3ware | marketing department decision. 3Ware manufactures a competing (and MUCH | more expensive) IDE RAID NAS device called the Palisade, which is over | twice the price of "some of the competition" for half the storage. | | According to my industry sources, 3Ware got tired of giving away the keys | to the kingdom by selling their Escalade RAID controllers ,(the same cards | used in their Palisade) and decided to withdraw them from the market. | Companies like "XXXXX" and their competitors were eating up too much of | "their" market share. It's unfortunate they made that decision, but I'm | sure another manufacturer will step in to fill the gap they left. | | The official 3ware propoganda is at | http://www.3ware.com/products/EscaladeLetter.asp?Title=Product&subTitle=3&ImageNumber=2 The above link is very long and tends to split across two lines. I look forward to hearing how your odyssey with the disks/controler turned out. ed Quoting Hodge Podge : | | Can anyone elaborate on why they are recalling the Escalade 7000 cards? | Also it seems that the "letter to customers" is now no longer there :( | | | Nicole | | | | On 10-Oct-01 Edwin Culp wrote: | > Quoting Mike Smith : | > | >| > Thanks, Lawrence. I wasn't aware of this. I wonder if Mike Smith | >| > would be kind enough to add a little of his first hand knowledge | >| > of 3ware and if we should jump ship. | >| | >| | >| There really isn't anything to say. The hardware works and isn't | >| about to magically stop working, but you won't be able to buy it new | >| for much longer. | >| | >| | > | > | > That is exactly what I wanted and expected to hear, Mike. Thanks so | much. | > | > ed | > | > --- | > | > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org | > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message | | | ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* | * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * | * * // \\ * * | * Nicole Harrington | AKA Hodge Podge * | ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- | HomePage http://www.unixgirl.com/ | DangerMouse Site  http://www.dangermouse.org/ | Photography Site http://www.deviantimages.com/ | Band Site http://www.honeyshot.mu | | ** Powered By Coca-Cola, FreeBSD and Rock & Roll ** | ** All Female Rock Power Trio - WWW.Honeyshot.mu ** | -- | We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of the dreams. | --Willy Wonka, Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. | | ---------------------------------------------------------------- | | --- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 17:20:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from aztec.cs.albany.edu (aztec.cs.albany.edu [169.226.2.186]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1E437B40D; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aztec.cs.albany.edu (maniatty@localhost) by aztec.cs.albany.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f9B0MoA03001; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:22:50 -0400 Message-Id: <200110110022.f9B0MoA03001@aztec.cs.albany.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Mike Smith Cc: "Lawrence Farr" , "'Edwin Culp'" , "'Paul Chvostek'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, eric@fnordsystems.com, msmith@mass.dis.org, maniatty@cs.albany.edu Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. In-Reply-To: Message from Mike Smith of "Wed, 10 Oct 2001 13:57:10 PDT." <200110102057.f9AKvAY02986@mass.dis.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:22:50 -0400 From: "William A. Maniatty" Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ack! I just specified a system with a 3ware card for my lab's file server based on storagereviews recommendation. I think I'm going to have to ask for a substitution and get the adaptec for 4x40 GB ATA 100 drives. (I was going to go raid 0 as I'm willing to shut down and do a restore if we lose a drive in this environment, I expect drive loss to be rare). I think I can still make a change in plan, but I don't have much time. Since word on the street is 3ware is out of the controller business, is Adaptec the only HW ATA raid game in town (2400A series) for my setup? If so does the Adaptec controller have known problems? Regards: Bill Maniatty > > Are there any other 8 port IDE controllers you know of? or is it 2x4 > > port Adaptecs? > > No, sorry, there aren't. The Adaptec's aren't so great either. 8( > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Wed Oct 10 17:41:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mass.dis.org (mass.dis.org [216.240.45.41]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F19037B405 for ; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mass.dis.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mass.dis.org (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f9B0q1Y05191; Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:52:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from msmith@mass.dis.org) Message-Id: <200110110052.f9B0q1Y05191@mass.dis.org> To: "William A. Maniatty" Cc: "Lawrence Farr" , "'Edwin Culp'" , "'Paul Chvostek'" , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org, eric@fnordsystems.com, maniatty@cs.albany.edu Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location. In-Reply-To: Message from "William A. Maniatty" of "Wed, 10 Oct 2001 20:22:50 EDT." <200110110022.f9B0MoA03001@aztec.cs.albany.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:52:01 -0700 From: Mike Smith Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Ack! I just specified a system with a 3ware card for my lab's file > server based on storagereviews recommendation. I think I'm going to > have to ask for a substitution and get the adaptec for 4x40 GB ATA 100 drives You should probably just substitute a 6000 series 3ware controller. > Since word on the street is 3ware is out of the controller business, > is Adaptec the only HW ATA raid game in town (2400A series) for my setup? > If so does the Adaptec controller have known problems? If someone can kick the relevant details out of Promise, I'm sure that something could be done with their 6-port controller, but in the meantime yes, Adaptec is the only game in town. The Adaptec controller is basically a DPT (sorry, Adaptec SCSI RAID) controller with ATA channels on it. It's not a great device, although I'd say that it would a least basically work. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 11 2: 3:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f157.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.31.157]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD5DE37B405 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 02:03:32 -0700 Received: from 212.30.183.3 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 09:03:32 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.30.183.3] From: "Magdalinin Kirill" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Server recommendation for co-location Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 13:03:32 +0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Oct 2001 09:03:32.0535 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A1AEC70:01C15233] Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Yesterday I posted the same question to questions@freebsd.org, but today I noticed a relevant discussion here. I wonder if anyone tried to run a box with two Adaptec 2400A RAID controllers as it seems to be the only option available if one needs a lots of cheep disk space. On Wed, 10 Oct 2001 17:52:01 -0700 Mike Smith wrote: >The Adaptec controller is basically a DPT (sorry, Adaptec SCSI RAID) >controller with ATA channels on it. It's not a great device, although >I'd say that it would a least basically work. worth a try or I should look for another decision? best regards, Kirill Magdalinin, bsdforumen@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-hardware Thu Oct 11 3:33:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from alpha.dante.org.uk (alpha.dante.org.uk [193.63.211.19]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EA8C37B405; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 03:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pi.dante.org.uk ([193.63.211.70] helo=dante.org.uk) by alpha.dante.org.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #4) id 15rd9q-0007iz-00; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:33:42 +0100 Message-ID: <3BC57585.112AA42C@dante.org.uk> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:33:41 +0100 From: Konstantin Chuguev Organization: Delivery of Advanced Network Technology to Europe Ltd. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Iomega Peerless USB supported? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Are Iomega Peerless USB drives supported in CURRENT? I assume they can be recognised as a generic SCSI-over-USB drive, but want to be sure they work OK. Thanks, Konstantin. -- * * Konstantin Chuguev Francis House * * Application Engineer 112 Hills Road * Tel: +44 1223 302992 Cambridge CB2 1PQ D A N T E WWW: http://www.dante.net United Kingdom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hardware" in the body of the message