From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Jun 3 0:35:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mail.mk.bsdclub.org (adsl2049.ea.rim.or.jp [202.247.148.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6373937B422; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 00:35:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from motoyuki@mk.bsdclub.org) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (sakura.mk.bsdclub.org [3ffe:505:2022:0:2a0:c9ff:fe20:9aff]) by mail.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3+3.4W/3.7W/smtpfeed 1.12) with ESMTP/inet6 id f537ZUW12765; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:35:30 +0900 (JST) Received: from sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (localhost.mk.bsdclub.org [127.0.0.1]) by sakura.mk.bsdclub.org (8.11.3/3.7W) with ESMTP/inet id f537ZU500581; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:35:30 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <200106030735.f537ZU500581@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: Motoyuki Konno , CHOI Junho , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2CFR: locale names renaming From: Motoyuki Konno X-Mailer: mh-e on Mule 2.3 / Emacs 19.34.1 References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.106) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:35:30 +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > > If so, why both ru_SU.* and ru_RU.* co-exist in 4-stable? > > They should not. ru_SU should be deleted. I don't have -stable machine > available and can't devote time for its development, so don't know > exact state of -stable changes made by other people. I want to say is: Russian FreeBSD users had a very long time to change their locale name setting (from ru_SU.* to ru_RU.*). Both locale name (ru_SU.* and ru_RU.*) co-exist in FreeBSD 4.*-RELEASE. Japanese (and Korean and Chinese) FreeBSD users also want enough time to change locale name setting. Immediate transition (for example, from ja_JP.EUC to ja_JP.eucJP) is not fair. > > 5-current (5-stable after 5.0-RELEASE) branch : both old and new locale > > It is already impossible, -current and -stable locales are incompatible. Probably, you misunderstand my mail. "old and new local" I said is "locale name". It is possible to support both old (ja_JP.EUC, ko_KO.EUC, ...) and new (ja_JP.eucJP, ko_KO.eucKO, ...) locale name. I propose the following plan: -------- old locale name : ja_JP.EUC, ko_KO.EUC, zh_CN.EUC, zh_TW.Big5 new locale name : ja_JP.eucJP, ko_KO.eucKO, zh_CN.eucCN, zh_TW.BIG5 Plan for 5-current (5-stable after 5.0-RELEASE) branch: support both old locale name and new locale name Plan for future 6-current branch: delete old locale name. only support new locale name. -------- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Motoyuki Konno motoyuki@bsdclub.org (Home) motoyuki@FreeBSD.ORG (FreeBSD Project) http://www.freebsd.org/~motoyuki/ (WWW) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Jun 3 0:49:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C0B37B401; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 00:49:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (kuriyama@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f537nkf13934; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 16:49:46 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 16:49:42 +0900 Message-ID: <7mlmnac8a1.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2CFR: locale names renaming In-Reply-To: <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.4.1 (Stand By Me) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG At Sat, 2 Jun 2001 10:31:58 +0000 (UTC), Andrey A. Chernov wrote: > It is possible (via symlinks) but I don't think it is good idea, even for > transition period. If we preserve compatibility, people never change their > environment LANG variables, so programs which parse LANG directly will be > in trouble since in each and every such programs we need to add both > variants. So there is no advantage of using new scheme since old scheme > must be coded each time too. We already have too many locale changes in > -current to make it is already incompatible with 4.3 locale, so yet one > incompatible change don't play role here. Hmm, it seems you are saying funny joke. :-) Making a transition period is usual method in our project and it works well before now. I don't think people *never* change their LANG environment. We can announce this serious change via web, release note and HEADS UP posting to mailing list. Additionally, we can deploy this new locale name on the magazine. We have some magazines which is specific to FreeBSD, *BSD and UNIX in Japan. If we have enough transition period, we can write articles on that magazines and many readers can know that news. Changing without transition period is not acceptable at least for me. -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Jun 3 2: 6:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91E2A37B401; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 02:06:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5395sg56179; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 13:05:54 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 13:05:54 +0400 From: "Andrey A. Chernov" To: Jun Kuriyama Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2CFR: locale names renaming Message-ID: <20010603130553.A56150@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <7mlmnac8a1.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <7mlmnac8a1.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp>; from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp on Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 04:49:42PM +0900 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, Jun 03, 2001 at 16:49:42 +0900, Jun Kuriyama wrote: > > Changing without transition period is not acceptable at least for me. > Well, lets have transition period coexisting new and old names in 5.0, also I not like this much. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Jun 3 3:58: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from white.imgsrc.co.jp (ns.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4918337B401; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 03:58:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kuriyama@imgsrc.co.jp) Received: from waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp (kuriyama@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp [210.226.20.160]) by white.imgsrc.co.jp (8.11.2/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f53Aw1f14785; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 19:58:02 +0900 (JST) Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:57:56 +0900 Message-ID: <7m8zj9vnij.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> From: Jun Kuriyama To: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2CFR: locale names renaming In-Reply-To: <20010603130553.A56150@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <7mlmnac8a1.wl@waterblue.imgsrc.co.jp> <20010603130553.A56150@nagual.pp.ru> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.4.1 (Stand By Me) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) MULE XEmacs/21.1 (patch 14) (Cuyahoga Valley) (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, lets have transition period coexisting new and old names in 5.0, > also I not like this much. Thank you for changing your mind. I'll try to promote using new locale names in transition period. Thanks! -- Jun Kuriyama // IMG SRC, Inc. // FreeBSD Project To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Sun Jun 3 5:52:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from daemon.kr.FreeBSD.org (daemon.kr.freebsd.org [211.176.62.31]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2887737B401; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 05:52:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cjh@kr.FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from gradius.wdb.co.kr (daemon [211.176.62.31]) by daemon.kr.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 300258F629; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 21:29:06 +0900 (KST) Received: (from cjh@localhost) by gradius.wdb.co.kr (8.11.4/8.11.3) id f53CPHX02341; Sun, 3 Jun 2001 21:25:17 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from cjh@kr.FreeBSD.ORG) X-Authentication-Warning: gradius.wdb.co.kr: cjh set sender to cjh@kr.FreeBSD.ORG using -f To: Motoyuki Konno Cc: "Andrey A. Chernov" , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, audit@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 2CFR: locale names renaming References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030735.f537ZU500581@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> From: CHOI Junho Organization: Korea FreeBSD Users Group Date: 03 Jun 2001 21:24:50 +0900 In-Reply-To: <200106030735.f537ZU500581@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> Message-ID: <86vgmdlpil.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> Lines: 24 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "MK" == Motoyuki Konno writes: MK> I propose the following plan: MK> -------- MK> old locale name : ja_JP.EUC, ko_KO.EUC, zh_CN.EUC, zh_TW.Big5 MK> new locale name : ja_JP.eucJP, ko_KO.eucKO, zh_CN.eucCN, zh_TW.BIG5 ko_KO -> ko_KR MK> Plan for 5-current (5-stable after 5.0-RELEASE) branch: MK> support both old locale name and new locale name MK> Plan for future 6-current branch: MK> delete old locale name. only support new locale name. After transition period, can we remove alias(and, if can, libxpg4) before releasing 5.0? -- +++ Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my employers +++ CHOI Junho [sleeping now] [while sleeping] Korea FreeBSD Users Group Web Data Bank To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Mon Jun 4 3:19:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (whale.sunbay.crimea.ua [212.110.138.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA4037B401 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 03:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ru@whale.sunbay.crimea.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by whale.sunbay.crimea.ua (8.11.2/8.11.2) id f54AIi306671; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:18:44 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 13:18:44 +0300 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: Andre Charbonneau Cc: freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, Alexey Zelkin Subject: Re: langinfo... Message-ID: <20010604131844.B95557@sunbay.com> References: <02c701c0eaf4$256268a0$65029678@andrecwin2000> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <02c701c0eaf4$256268a0$65029678@andrecwin2000>; from andrec@corel.com on Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 04:39:48PM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 04:39:48PM -0700, Andre Charbonneau wrote: > > Hi, > > I recently installed freeBSD 4.3 and I realized that the > langinfo funcitons are not part of the system. Is there anything else > that I can use in my C programs to examine locale settings? > nl_langinfo(3) interface is available in FreeBSD 5.0. Bug Alexey Zelkin if you want this MFC'ed. Cheers, -- Ruslan Ermilov Oracle Developer/DBA, ru@sunbay.com Sunbay Software AG, ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer, +380.652.512.251 Simferopol, Ukraine http://www.FreeBSD.org The Power To Serve http://www.oracle.com Enabling The Information Age To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Mon Jun 4 5:20:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from mx.globalone.ru (mx.globalone.ru [194.84.254.251]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B2337B401; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.voropay@globalone.ru) Received: from hq.globalone.ru (hq.globalone.ru [172.16.38.1]) by mx.globalone.ru (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f54CKZR05690; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:20:35 +0400 Received: from host205 ([172.17.13.205]) by hq.globalone.ru (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GEENMA00.N01; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:20:34 +0400 Message-ID: <18c101c0ecf1$071ba6a0$cd0d11ac@host205.spb.in.rosprint.ru> From: "Alexander Voropay" To: "Ruslan Ermilov" , "Andre Charbonneau" Cc: , "Alexey Zelkin" Subject: Re: langinfo... Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 16:22:26 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! What about localedef(1) and locale(1) POSIX _utilities_ ? Ruslan Ermilov wrote: >> I recently installed freeBSD 4.3 and I realized that the >> langinfo funcitons are not part of the system. Is there anything else >> that I can use in my C programs to examine locale settings? >> >nl_langinfo(3) interface is available in FreeBSD 5.0. >Bug Alexey Zelkin if you want this MFC'ed. > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Mon Jun 4 5:47:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from columbus.cris.net (columbus.cris.net [212.110.128.65]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CADB37B401; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:47:25 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phantom@ark.cris.net) Received: from ark.cris.net (root@ark.cris.net [212.110.128.68]) by columbus.cris.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26782; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:47:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: (from phantom@localhost) by ark.cris.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f54ClLa83926; Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:47:21 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 15:47:21 +0300 From: Alexey Zelkin To: Alexander Voropay Cc: Ruslan Ermilov , Andre Charbonneau , freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG, Alexey Zelkin Subject: Re: langinfo... Message-ID: <20010604154721.A83070@ark.cris.net> References: <18c101c0ecf1$071ba6a0$cd0d11ac@host205.spb.in.rosprint.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <18c101c0ecf1$071ba6a0$cd0d11ac@host205.spb.in.rosprint.ru>; from a.voropay@globalone.ru on Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 04:22:26PM +0400 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.5-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG hi, On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 04:22:26PM +0400, Alexander Voropay wrote: > What about localedef(1) and locale(1) POSIX _utilities_ ? locale(1) is on way. localedef(1) is also on way, but only projected for now. My recent work on support of LC_NUMERIC,LC_MONETARY and LC_MESSAGES locale categories support is dedicated to localedef(1) work. Unfortunately I did not much work in this way due to my diploma proje^Wproblem. I'll continue as soon as fix this problem. :) > Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > >> I recently installed freeBSD 4.3 and I realized that the > >> langinfo funcitons are not part of the system. Is there anything else > >> that I can use in my C programs to examine locale settings? > >> > >nl_langinfo(3) interface is available in FreeBSD 5.0. > >Bug Alexey Zelkin if you want this MFC'ed. It needs some tweaks before MFCed. Some of them are ready, but not carefully tested. This task is also suspended due to lack of time (see above description). Anyway I hope to see nl_langinfo(3) and related stuff MFCed before 4.4-RELEASE. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Tue Jun 5 1: 5:47 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD9937B403 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:05:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: from svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA79629; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 16:05:35 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3B1C92CC.7A02DD9@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 16:05:32 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Andrey A. Chernov" Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: ru_RU.CP1251 (was: 2CFR: locale names renaming) References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG "Andrey A. Chernov" wrote: > > 5-current (5-stable after 5.0-RELEASE) branch : both old and new locale > > It is already impossible, -current and -stable locales are incompatible. I wonder why FreeBSD does not have ru_RU.CP1251 locale? I use it for ages for indexing using glimpse user data that are kept in Windows CP1251. Well, it's not hard to build and install this locale manually (you can fetch it from ftp://www.kuzbass.ru/pub/freebsd/cp1251.tgz). But now I'm afraid of coming incompatibilities that may break applications. Any chance that ru_RU.CP1251 will be integrated into base system? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Tue Jun 5 1:19:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F11D37B403 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 01:19:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f558J8l84140; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:19:08 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 12:19:07 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ru_RU.CP1251 (was: 2CFR: locale names renaming) Message-ID: <20010605121907.A84100@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1C92CC.7A02DD9@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B1C92CC.7A02DD9@svzserv.kemerovo.su>; from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 04:05:32PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 16:05:32 +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > I wonder why FreeBSD does not have ru_RU.CP1251 locale? Because nobody submit correct data yet. Some attempts occurse but with incorrect data. > manually (you can fetch it from ftp://www.kuzbass.ru/pub/freebsd/cp1251.tgz). server said: cp1251.tgz: No such file or directory. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Tue Jun 5 2:41:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CFC637B403 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 02:41:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Received: from svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA95434; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 17:41:06 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3B1CA90D.85FCDAED@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 17:40:29 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Андрей Чернов" Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ru_RU.CP1251 (was: 2CFR: locale names renaming) References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1C92CC.7A02DD9@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20010605121907.A84100@nagual.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Андрей Чернов wrote: > > I wonder why FreeBSD does not have ru_RU.CP1251 locale? > > Because nobody submit correct data yet. Some attempts occurse but with > incorrect data. I suspect this one may be one of attempts you have already reviewed, I found this on the Net. At least it works for glimpse and webglimpse (3.5-STABLE) > > manually (you can fetch it from ftp://www.kuzbass.ru/pub/freebsd/cp1251.tgz). > > server said: cp1251.tgz: No such file or directory. My fault, it's ftp://www.kuzbass.ru/pub/freebsd/cp1251.tar.gz Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Tue Jun 5 3:19:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F002937B405 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 03:19:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f55AIwL85420; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:18:58 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 14:18:58 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ru_RU.CP1251 (was: 2CFR: locale names renaming) Message-ID: <20010605141858.A85402@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1C92CC.7A02DD9@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20010605121907.A84100@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1CA90D.85FCDAED@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B1CA90D.85FCDAED@svzserv.kemerovo.su>; from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 05:40:29PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 17:40:29 +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > I suspect this one may be one of attempts you have already reviewed, > I found this on the Net. At least it works for glimpse and webglimpse > (3.5-STABLE) > > My fault, it's ftp://www.kuzbass.ru/pub/freebsd/cp1251.tar.gz This one is incorrect, at least map.cp1251 not conforms official charset definition. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Tue Jun 5 8:16: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C84B37B405 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:15:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.pp.ru) Received: from grosbein.pp.ru (localhost.dialonly.kemerovo.su [127.0.0.1]) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f55FBNV00860; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 23:11:23 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.pp.ru) Message-ID: <3B1CF69B.8369ACFE@grosbein.pp.ru> Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 23:11:23 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.3-STABLE i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Андрей Чернов" Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ru_RU.CP1251 (was: 2CFR: locale names renaming) References: <20010602040851.A34526@nagual.pp.ru> <86ofs7thvy.fsf@gradius.wdb.co.kr> <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1C92CC.7A02DD9@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20010605121907.A84100@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1CA90D.85FCDAED@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20010605141858.A85402@nagual.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > I suspect this one may be one of attempts you have already reviewed, > > I found this on the Net. At least it works for glimpse and webglimpse > > (3.5-STABLE) > > > > My fault, it's ftp://www.kuzbass.ru/pub/freebsd/cp1251.tar.gz > > This one is incorrect, at least map.cp1251 not conforms official charset > definition. Then, will it be possible to rebuild this to new format when old become incompatible? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Tue Jun 5 9:24:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from nagual.pp.ru (pobrecita.freebsd.ru [194.87.13.42]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E1C37B405 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 09:24:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ache@nagual.pp.ru) Received: (from ache@localhost) by nagual.pp.ru (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f55GOLS89281; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:24:21 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from ache) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 20:24:20 +0400 From: =?koi8-r?B?4c7E0sXKIP7F0s7P1w==?= To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ru_RU.CP1251 (was: 2CFR: locale names renaming) Message-ID: <20010605202420.A89260@nagual.pp.ru> References: <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1C92CC.7A02DD9@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20010605121907.A84100@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1CA90D.85FCDAED@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20010605141858.A85402@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1CF69B.8369ACFE@grosbein.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3B1CF69B.8369ACFE@grosbein.pp.ru>; from eugen@grosbein.pp.ru on Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 11:11:23PM +0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 23:11:23 +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > I suspect this one may be one of attempts you have already reviewed, > > > I found this on the Net. At least it works for glimpse and webglimpse > > > (3.5-STABLE) > > > > > > My fault, it's ftp://www.kuzbass.ru/pub/freebsd/cp1251.tar.gz > > > > This one is incorrect, at least map.cp1251 not conforms official charset > > definition. > > Then, will it be possible to rebuild this to new format when old become > incompatible? What format? I mean not format but incorrect charset definition. -- Andrey A. Chernov http://ache.pp.ru/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-i18n Tue Jun 5 18:52:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-i18n@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9311B37B401 for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2001 18:52:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eugen@www.kuzbass.ru) Received: from www.kuzbass.ru (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA92776; Wed, 6 Jun 2001 09:52:01 +0800 (KRAST) (envelope-from eugen@www.kuzbass.ru) Message-ID: <3B1D8CBD.5A8D351E@www.kuzbass.ru> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 09:51:57 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Андрей Чернов" Cc: Eugene Grosbein , i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: ru_RU.CP1251 (was: 2CFR: locale names renaming) References: <20010602143139.A43237@nagual.pp.ru> <200106021345.f52DjJ218044@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603002153.A48861@nagual.pp.ru> <200106030035.f530Zu247879@sakura.mk.bsdclub.org> <20010603092746.A53677@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1C92CC.7A02DD9@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20010605121907.A84100@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1CA90D.85FCDAED@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20010605141858.A85402@nagual.pp.ru> <3B1CF69B.8369ACFE@grosbein.pp.ru> <20010605202420.A89260@nagual.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-i18n@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > Then, will it be possible to rebuild this to new format when old become > > incompatible? > > What format? I mean not format but incorrect charset definition. You've mentioned coming locale incompatibilities in future releases of FreeBSD. Locate I use is incorrect, therefore cannot be integrated. So I wonder if it will be possible to 'compile' this locale when new format will be introduced in -STABLE? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-i18n" in the body of the message