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On Saturday 09 June 2001 10:23, Peter Prokein wrote:
> Folks,
>
> 	I just installed FBSD and although I followed the steps describes the The
> Complete FreeBSD something didn't quite work out. I have an Abit BE6 and
> two HDs connected to the HPT366 controller. HD0 (C) holds Win2k and HD1 (D)
> has FreeBSD on it. The problem is that when booting I see something like
> this:
>
> F1: ??
> F5: Drive1
>
> Default: F1
Have you tried GRUB? Works smoothly with Win* and *BSD (and Linux). Easy to 
configure and looks good - http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/

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Jörgen Sigvardsson, B. Sc.
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Jun 10 19:48:17 2001
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Well after getting it installed I cannot access the cdrom even though there 
is a mount point for it in root.
If I cd to it the cdrom directory is empty and with a cdrom in the cdrom drive.

Also KDE does not show a cdrom on the desktop and the instructions for 
mounting the cdrom in KDE are minimal to incomprehensible to me.

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sun Jun 10 21: 8:15 2001
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never mind I figured it out myself.


At 10:50 PM 6/10/01 -0400, you wrote:
>Well after getting it installed I cannot access the cdrom even though 
>there is a mount point for it in root.
>If I cd to it the cdrom directory is empty and with a cdrom in the cdrom 
>drive.
>
>Also KDE does not show a cdrom on the desktop and the instructions for 
>mounting the cdrom in KDE are minimal to incomprehensible to me.
>
>Joel
>
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What are the steps to take, when an installation
ends with a missing kernel, like:

no/kernel >>FreeBsd/i386 BOOT
default:O:ad(0,a)/kernel
boot:

I don't know what to do next!

John




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Did you install a boot manager? sometimes I see this when I don't select one. Select "Standard" and see
what happens.

This, of course, presupposes that you could install at all.. If the boot floppy doesn't work, make sure
that you are using the right boot floppy, and other than that I have no idea. It happened when I was
building my box at work (Although the floppy worked in another machine AND this one prior to messing up),
but I had to use a CDROM to install eventually.. :/

Christian   

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> What are the steps to take, when an installation
> ends with a missing kernel, like:
> 
> no/kernel >>FreeBsd/i386 BOOT
> default:O:ad(0,a)/kernel
> boot:
> 
> I don't know what to do next!
> 
> John
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Mon Jun 11 22:51:19 2001
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I guess you can file this under complaint files.

1.
Well after trying to install freebsd about 7 times I'm giving up and 
installing Suse Linux!

The simple installation /stand/sysinstall program works but is very limited 
and bugged.

Sometimes there is no "back" button to return or go back to change something.

I would recommend the Suse Linux Yast installation program as a model for 
future freebsd installation programs.


2.
Now after freebsd was installed I launched the KDE and found out that 
Netscape would not work.
Netscape said "bus error (core dumped)" everytime!

SO I reinstalled it all with a canned user + X distribution and the 
netscape package with a limited ports install.
Then startx did not work!

3.
I will try this again maybe some other time, maybe in another place, maybe 
another computer.
But for now my conclusion is that until freebsd gets a better installation 
system it is NOT as easy as the HYPE says it is.

Joel


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Mon Jun 11 23: 9:46 2001
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Joel,
Without any error messages of any amount of details, of course no one will be
able to help you.
Anyway, I have installed FBSD on at least 5 differant machines of differant ages

and speeds,etc, and have yet to have any of the problems you allude to. I moved
over from Linux several years ago, and have never looked back. FBSD does work,
and it does work well. I have found the install to be easier than the various
winblows
installs I have to do at work.
Maybe if you provide more details, hardware specs, error messages, log files,
etc
then you will get all the help needed to complete your installation.

--
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joel2a@yahoo.com wrote:

> I guess you can file this under complaint files.
>
> 1.
> Well after trying to install freebsd about 7 times I'm giving up and
> installing Suse Linux!
>
> The simple installation /stand/sysinstall program works but is very limited
> and bugged.
>
> Sometimes there is no "back" button to return or go back to change something.
>
> I would recommend the Suse Linux Yast installation program as a model for
> future freebsd installation programs.
>
> 2.
> Now after freebsd was installed I launched the KDE and found out that
> Netscape would not work.
> Netscape said "bus error (core dumped)" everytime!
>
> SO I reinstalled it all with a canned user + X distribution and the
> netscape package with a limited ports install.
> Then startx did not work!
>
> 3.
> I will try this again maybe some other time, maybe in another place, maybe
> another computer.
> But for now my conclusion is that until freebsd gets a better installation
> system it is NOT as easy as the HYPE says it is.
>
> Joel
>
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I'm using a new standard refurbished HP 8562 computer. PIII with 64MB. 
NVidia Riva TNT2.
Using the FreeBSD 4.2 Powerpack product from CompUSA.

Netscape said "bus error (core dumped)" everytime!
No other info is available.

This is probably not a freebsd error but a "package" installation error and 
incorrect X installation procedures.

FreeBSD probably does work well with certain particular installations and 
certain hardware tailored for it which you must have found.
I'm sure it works well with basic server functions and minimal configurations.
It worked ok except for NETSCAPE when I got it installed.
What good is a BSD workstation without Netscape?? All the other Unix Web 
browser's offered are a joke and belong in the trash!

But the INSTALLATION PROGRAM just needs A LOT more work done to it, since 
it looks and operates like something out of the 1980's ASCII DOS  programs.

For people who poopoo windows all the time I must say the basic ASCII 
installation program sure is a flashback to 1980's MSDOS programs!
Windows is a highly advanced Graphical User Interface and sure beats a lot 
of the flaky and buggy X windows managers!

I wasn't really asking for help but letting off some steam about an overly 
HYPED installation program.

Joel



At 11:13 PM 6/11/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Joel,
>Without any error messages of any amount of details, of course no one will be
>able to help you.
>Anyway, I have installed FBSD on at least 5 differant machines of 
>differant ages
>
>and speeds,etc, and have yet to have any of the problems you allude to. I 
>moved
>over from Linux several years ago, and have never looked back. FBSD does work,
>and it does work well. I have found the install to be easier than the various
>winblows
>installs I have to do at work.
>Maybe if you provide more details, hardware specs, error messages, log files,
>etc
>then you will get all the help needed to complete your installation.
>
>--
>Chip
>
>
>joel2a@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I guess you can file this under complaint files.
> >
> > 1.
> > Well after trying to install freebsd about 7 times I'm giving up and
> > installing Suse Linux!
> >
> > The simple installation /stand/sysinstall program works but is very limited
> > and bugged.
> >
> > Sometimes there is no "back" button to return or go back to change 
> something.
> >
> > I would recommend the Suse Linux Yast installation program as a model for
> > future freebsd installation programs.
> >
> > 2.
> > Now after freebsd was installed I launched the KDE and found out that
> > Netscape would not work.
> > Netscape said "bus error (core dumped)" everytime!
> >
> > SO I reinstalled it all with a canned user + X distribution and the
> > netscape package with a limited ports install.
> > Then startx did not work!
> >
> > 3.
> > I will try this again maybe some other time, maybe in another place, maybe
> > another computer.
> > But for now my conclusion is that until freebsd gets a better installation
> > system it is NOT as easy as the HYPE says it is.
> >
> > Joel
> >
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On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Chip wrote:

> Joel,
> Without any error messages of any amount of details, of course no one will be
> able to help you.
> Anyway, I have installed FBSD on at least 5 different machines of different ages
>
> and speeds,etc, and have yet to have any of the problems you allude to. I moved
> over from Linux several years ago, and have never looked back. FBSD does work,
> and it does work well. I have found the install to be easier than the various
> winblows
> installs I have to do at work.
> Maybe if you provide more details, hardware specs, error messages, log files,
> etc
> then you will get all the help needed to complete your installation.
>
> --
> Chip
>
>
This is going to be down the road a bit, because I am soon going to be
passing on my play machine. But how does FreeBSD get along with PCI modems?

With the price of new machines becoming so reasonable, hope to pick up a
fairly modern machine in the next couple of months, and figure it will come
with a PCI modem.

  >Lute<
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I received a BUS error just recently, and it turned out to be bad memory.
Once I took out the offending memory, it worked like a champ.

I think most people will disagree on some of your points.

FreeBSD is picky, at least more so than windows 98.  I have some cheap
motherboards that work fine with 98 but will cause spontaneous reboots in
FreeBSD.  

FreeBSD shines in the server arena, and less is usually better when talking
about servers.

As for workstations, I would recommend you try Linux instead.  Although I am
not a fan of linux, it offers better hardware support.

I thought there were several good browsers for Linux/UNIX:  Opera, Netscape,
and Konquer (or something like that).  Opera is definitely my favorite.

If there is one thing I would ask the FreeBSD porgrammers to keep, it would
be the install.  It is close to perfect.  The drive setup can be tough for a
newbie, but otherwise it is a great setup.  Who cares if it is graphical.  I
have installed Mandrake and Suse linux and hate the installs.  They are real
slow and don't allow me to customize the install enough.  I don't mind the
install picking default options, but I at least want the ability to change
these.

When the other install programs leave so much to be desired, I find it funny
you criticize such a good one.

One complaint I do have about the install, are the keystrokes.  They are a
bit awkward when coming from windows.

Overall, IMO, Windows kills X, at least XFree,  Linux kills FreeBSD on the
desktop, FreeBSD kills Windows and Linux for servers.

...Michael...

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To: Chip
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Subject: Re: installation doesn't work right with X and Netscape


I'm using a new standard refurbished HP 8562 computer. PIII with 64MB. 
NVidia Riva TNT2.
Using the FreeBSD 4.2 Powerpack product from CompUSA.

Netscape said "bus error (core dumped)" everytime!
No other info is available.

FreeBSD probably does work well with certain particular installations and 
certain hardware tailored for it which you must have found.
I'm sure it works well with basic server functions and minimal
configurations.
It worked ok except for NETSCAPE when I got it installed.
What good is a BSD workstation without Netscape?? All the other Unix Web 
browser's offered are a joke and belong in the trash!

But the INSTALLATION PROGRAM just needs A LOT more work done to it, since 
it looks and operates like something out of the 1980's ASCII DOS  programs.

For people who poopoo windows all the time I must say the basic ASCII 
installation program sure is a flashback to 1980's MSDOS programs!
Windows is a highly advanced Graphical User Interface and sure beats a lot 
of the flaky and buggy X windows managers!

I wasn't really asking for help but letting off some steam about an overly 
HYPED installation program.

Joel



At 11:13 PM 6/11/01 -0700, you wrote:
>Joel,
>Without any error messages of any amount of details, of course no one will
be
>able to help you.
>Anyway, I have installed FBSD on at least 5 differant machines of 
>differant ages
>
>and speeds,etc, and have yet to have any of the problems you allude to. I 
>moved
>over from Linux several years ago, and have never looked back. FBSD does
work,
>and it does work well. I have found the install to be easier than the
various
>winblows
>installs I have to do at work.
>Maybe if you provide more details, hardware specs, error messages, log
files,
>etc
>then you will get all the help needed to complete your installation.
>
>--
>Chip
>
>
>joel2a@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > I guess you can file this under complaint files.
> >
> > 1.
> > Well after trying to install freebsd about 7 times I'm giving up and
> > installing Suse Linux!
> >
> > The simple installation /stand/sysinstall program works but is very
limited
> > and bugged.
> >
> > Sometimes there is no "back" button to return or go back to change 
> something.
> >
> > I would recommend the Suse Linux Yast installation program as a model
for
> > future freebsd installation programs.
> >
> > 2.
> > Now after freebsd was installed I launched the KDE and found out that
> > Netscape would not work.
> > Netscape said "bus error (core dumped)" everytime!
> >
> > SO I reinstalled it all with a canned user + X distribution and the
> > netscape package with a limited ports install.
> > Then startx did not work!
> >
> > 3.
> > I will try this again maybe some other time, maybe in another place,
maybe
> > another computer.
> > But for now my conclusion is that until freebsd gets a better
installation
> > system it is NOT as easy as the HYPE says it is.
> >
> > Joel
> >
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jun 12  9:27:14 2001
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Well maybe that install program is good for experts but as a newbie to it I 
think it needs much more improvement.
It needs to be more newbie idiot proof!
It should check for package conflicts and package errors.

I tried an install containing almost everything and then there were a bunch 
of error messages during the rebooting from various packages that were not 
configured right during the install.

Joel



At 10:50 AM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I received a BUS error just recently, and it turned out to be bad memory.
>Once I took out the offending memory, it worked like a champ.
>
>I think most people will disagree on some of your points.
>
>FreeBSD is picky, at least more so than windows 98.  I have some cheap
>motherboards that work fine with 98 but will cause spontaneous reboots in
>FreeBSD.
>
>FreeBSD shines in the server arena, and less is usually better when talking
>about servers.
>
>As for workstations, I would recommend you try Linux instead.  Although I am
>not a fan of linux, it offers better hardware support.
>
>I thought there were several good browsers for Linux/UNIX:  Opera, Netscape,
>and Konquer (or something like that).  Opera is definitely my favorite.
>
>If there is one thing I would ask the FreeBSD porgrammers to keep, it would
>be the install.  It is close to perfect.  The drive setup can be tough for a
>newbie, but otherwise it is a great setup.  Who cares if it is graphical.  I
>have installed Mandrake and Suse linux and hate the installs.  They are real
>slow and don't allow me to customize the install enough.  I don't mind the
>install picking default options, but I at least want the ability to change
>these.
>
>When the other install programs leave so much to be desired, I find it funny
>you criticize such a good one.
>
>One complaint I do have about the install, are the keystrokes.  They are a
>bit awkward when coming from windows.
>
>Overall, IMO, Windows kills X, at least XFree,  Linux kills FreeBSD on the
>desktop, FreeBSD kills Windows and Linux for servers.
>
>...Michael...


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Tue Jun 12  9:47:48 2001
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You are right, it isn't perfect, and perhaps there are some good ideas on
how to improve it.  I have done some pretty complete installs and have never
run into package conflicts (knock on wood).  

Linux disrtibutions have paid full time people improving their install,
while AFAIK, FreeBSD is done by part timers for free.  This is both it's
strength and weakness.  In a sense FreeBSD follows the spirit of Linux more
than Linux does.

I started using the packages, but as I got more into FreeBSD, I found the
ports offered much more.  Now I rarely install a package, I usually use the
port.  Although the ports are by far the best collection of software I know
of on any OS, it needs a good index and in depth descriptions of each of the
applications.  The freeBSD web site is a good source of info on the Ports,
but you need to have an idea of what you are looking for.

You may want to try using the ports instead.  It is probably a good idea to
install one at a time, and ensure each one works properly. 

...Michael...

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Subject: RE: installation doesn't work right with X and Netscape


Well maybe that install program is good for experts but as a newbie to it I 
think it needs much more improvement.
It needs to be more newbie idiot proof!
It should check for package conflicts and package errors.

I tried an install containing almost everything and then there were a bunch 
of error messages during the rebooting from various packages that were not 
configured right during the install.

Joel



At 10:50 AM 6/12/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I received a BUS error just recently, and it turned out to be bad memory.
>Once I took out the offending memory, it worked like a champ.
>
>I think most people will disagree on some of your points.
>
>FreeBSD is picky, at least more so than windows 98.  I have some cheap
>motherboards that work fine with 98 but will cause spontaneous reboots in
>FreeBSD.
>
>FreeBSD shines in the server arena, and less is usually better when talking
>about servers.
>
>As for workstations, I would recommend you try Linux instead.  Although I
am
>not a fan of linux, it offers better hardware support.
>
>I thought there were several good browsers for Linux/UNIX:  Opera,
Netscape,
>and Konquer (or something like that).  Opera is definitely my favorite.
>
>If there is one thing I would ask the FreeBSD porgrammers to keep, it would
>be the install.  It is close to perfect.  The drive setup can be tough for
a
>newbie, but otherwise it is a great setup.  Who cares if it is graphical.
I
>have installed Mandrake and Suse linux and hate the installs.  They are
real
>slow and don't allow me to customize the install enough.  I don't mind the
>install picking default options, but I at least want the ability to change
>these.
>
>When the other install programs leave so much to be desired, I find it
funny
>you criticize such a good one.
>
>One complaint I do have about the install, are the keystrokes.  They are a
>bit awkward when coming from windows.
>
>Overall, IMO, Windows kills X, at least XFree,  Linux kills FreeBSD on the
>desktop, FreeBSD kills Windows and Linux for servers.
>
>...Michael...


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joel2a@yahoo.com wrote:

> But the INSTALLATION PROGRAM just needs A LOT more work done to it, since
> it looks and operates like something out of the 1980's ASCII DOS  programs.

So what? I like the programs I use to be pretty. But I also want them to
be functional. Getting both would be nice, but given a choice between
the two, I would much rather have the functional.

Of all the OS installers I have ever used, and I've used quite a few of
them, only three in twenty years have never worked. One of those was
SuSE's GUI installer. It did not like the video card, and the official
word from their support department was to use the text installer
instead.

Of course the FreeBSD installer is not perfect. No installer is. But
switching operating systems just because one or two screens in the
installer don't have back-buttons is petty. Switching because Netscape
doesn't work I can understand. Switching because of the aesthetics of an
installer is nutty.

David

(ps. those other two failed installs included Corel 1.0 and OS/2 4.0,
and only on specific machines).

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Did you mount your Cd-rom to the mount point.
The command is something like mount_iso9660 cd0 /[mountpoint]
you have to do this in the /dev diroctory.
For the preciese format of the command look at the man page.
(man mount)
To be able to remove the CD later on you will have to unmount the CD.
It is also possible to let it be automatically mounted at boot time, but I
don't remember the name of the file where it should be set.


Simon Siemonsma

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Subject: cdrom problem


Well after getting it installed I cannot access the cdrom even though there
is a mount point for it in root.
If I cd to it the cdrom directory is empty and with a cdrom in the cdrom
drive.

Also KDE does not show a cdrom on the desktop and the instructions for
mounting the cdrom in KDE are minimal to incomprehensible to me.

Joel


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On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:53:35AM -0400, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> Well after trying to install freebsd about 7 times I'm giving up and 
> installing Suse Linux!

Good on you. We all have to find what we are comfortable with, and you
seem to be progressing well down that path. In time, as you gain more
confidence, you will probably try many systems. Some will be easier or
harder to install, and they will all have different performance
characteristics. What is important to you will vary from time to time,
and there's no shame in that.

> Now after freebsd was installed I launched the KDE and found out that 
> Netscape would not work.
> Netscape said "bus error (core dumped)" everytime!

I found this too after installing FreeBSD 4.2. So I searched the
FreeBSD-Questions list archives, and found that others had had
the same problem. One person had fixed it by removing another
installed package, some plugin. I found I'd installed the flash
plugin which I didn't need, and when I removed that Netscape worked fine.

This is not a real solution, for that you'd need to write to
FreeBSD-Questions, but with a quick partial search of the archives
I fixed it good enough for my own purposes. One day I'll spend more
time searching the -questions archives and get to the bottom of it.
Of course, you could do the same yourself if you wanted to.

> But for now my conclusion is that until freebsd gets a better installation 
> system it is NOT as easy as the HYPE says it is.

Oh? I'm not aware of any hype saying FreeBSD is easy. In my personal
view, FreeBSD is not meant to be a beginner's system. It is a high
performance server operating system, that can be a fine desktop after
expert configuration. By default it's a lean mean server with no
unwanted frills, but with a universe of options that can be added on by
one who knows what they want.

Though some disagree, I would hate to see an installation so foolproof
that it gave the people who are not ready for FreeBSD the false
impression that it is supposed to be easy. Not that it should be made
unnecessarily hard though. For example, if you cannot get your head
around the disk partitioning concepts and you can't or won't read and
follow instructions, you will be a lot more productive if you let
an expert set up the system for you and begin your learning after that,
with their guidance. If you find the text-based menu system totally
off-putting because it's not clicky pictures, then you're going to be
miserable later when you discover that most of your time in FreeBSD
you'll be typing strange characters at the command line, GUI or no GUI.

I usually recommend people know a bit about unix and PC hardware before
trying FreeBSD. I find that people who have not used operating systems
of at least two different vendors in the past are likely to hold
confusing assumptions about what an operating system is, which they
have to overcome before progressing with FreeBSD. That's quite hard to do.

I use FreeBSD for teaching people general unix. The system is installed
and configured specifically for their needs, and the training is
structured in such a way that they enjoy success before tackling more
complex tasks. There is quite a lot to learn before touching on
anything specific to BSD or whatever. When they reach junior
administrator level, they have a pretty good basic understanding of
unix systems in general and FreeBSD in particular, but they are still
nowhere near the point where I would have them install a system alone.
Users don't need to know half of what system administrators know.

With that in mind, for the isolated home user trying FreeBSD as a first
unix, the task is tremendously difficult considering you have to
successfully install the bloody thing before trying your first unix
command. It's all backwards. From the viewpoint of an educator, that
method of learning FreeBSD is an unsound practice to put it mildly.

Nevertheless we have here, reading this email right now, hundreds of
FreeBSD users who have done just that. Somehow they managed, through a
combination of tenacity, learning skill, and sheer good luck, to pull
it all together. That's not how it's meant to be. If you have travelled
that painful road and come out the other side, you're amazing, you can
do anything! You might have got there quicker if you'd got yourself
some background first and had a well set up machine to start with, and
you would have arrived here with fewer war wounds, but hey, you're here
now and wiser for the experience. Most raw beginners aren't so lucky.

Nobody should be afraid to try another operating system for a while,
especially if it is going to help you to learn stuff that you can
transfer to FreeBSD later on. There are a number of more Microsoft-like
unix style systems that are specifically (exclusively?) targeted at the
desktop user. They are easy to install and use (provided you have
exactly the hardware and usage requirements that they predict), and
they have their purpose. FreeBSD happens to have an entirely different
purpose, and that is why I like it so much.

-- 

Regards,
        -*Sue*-
 

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I have been using windows for about 5 or so years now. But, I have considered 
FreeBSD. I have been reading the box full of software at CompUSA. I am 
interested but a little scared. I tried LINUX once, but freaked out, and 
tried to put windows 98 back on, but it would not format the whole disk. So, 
I had to get help, and have been scared ever sense.
I have no clue as to what Unix is, but I hear the FreeBSD is very stable, and 
much more secure than Windows ever has been. I am also scared of Internet 
Trojans, and hackers, and think FreeBSD might be an option.
Can you give me any information?

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Thanks for your response.
I imagine you must have been good in English class.

Well I have to update the record now.

After installing Suse Linux I still wasn't satisfied and did find it like 
the desktop "Microsoft-like
unix style system". So I tried freeBSD one more time.
This time I was real careful about installing a minimal system with X and 
Netscape.
I did not install the Flash plugin and this time Netscape worked.
So I guess the Flash plugin must be the problem.

I am starting to appreciate the "lean mean server with no
unwanted frills" as you say.
I would compare it to some manual transmission roadster.
You do feel the bumps in the road and the steering is tight!
You have to get under the hood and learn some mechanics and that's where 
some of the fun is.

Joel






At 08:11 PM 6/13/01 +1000, you wrote:
>On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 01:53:35AM -0400, joel2a@yahoo.com wrote:
> >
> > Well after trying to install freebsd about 7 times I'm giving up and
> > installing Suse Linux!
>
>Good on you. We all have to find what we are comfortable with, and you
>seem to be progressing well down that path. In time, as you gain more
>confidence, you will probably try many systems. Some will be easier or
>harder to install, and they will all have different performance
>characteristics. What is important to you will vary from time to time,
>and there's no shame in that.
>
> > Now after freebsd was installed I launched the KDE and found out that
> > Netscape would not work.
> > Netscape said "bus error (core dumped)" everytime!
>
>I found this too after installing FreeBSD 4.2. So I searched the
>FreeBSD-Questions list archives, and found that others had had
>the same problem. One person had fixed it by removing another
>installed package, some plugin. I found I'd installed the flash
>plugin which I didn't need, and when I removed that Netscape worked fine.
>
>This is not a real solution, for that you'd need to write to
>FreeBSD-Questions, but with a quick partial search of the archives
>I fixed it good enough for my own purposes. One day I'll spend more
>time searching the -questions archives and get to the bottom of it.
>Of course, you could do the same yourself if you wanted to.
>
> > But for now my conclusion is that until freebsd gets a better installation
> > system it is NOT as easy as the HYPE says it is.
>
>Oh? I'm not aware of any hype saying FreeBSD is easy. In my personal
>view, FreeBSD is not meant to be a beginner's system. It is a high
>performance server operating system, that can be a fine desktop after
>expert configuration. By default it's a lean mean server with no
>unwanted frills, but with a universe of options that can be added on by
>one who knows what they want.
>
>Though some disagree, I would hate to see an installation so foolproof
>that it gave the people who are not ready for FreeBSD the false
>impression that it is supposed to be easy. Not that it should be made
>unnecessarily hard though. For example, if you cannot get your head
>around the disk partitioning concepts and you can't or won't read and
>follow instructions, you will be a lot more productive if you let
>an expert set up the system for you and begin your learning after that,
>with their guidance. If you find the text-based menu system totally
>off-putting because it's not clicky pictures, then you're going to be
>miserable later when you discover that most of your time in FreeBSD
>you'll be typing strange characters at the command line, GUI or no GUI.
>
>I usually recommend people know a bit about unix and PC hardware before
>trying FreeBSD. I find that people who have not used operating systems
>of at least two different vendors in the past are likely to hold
>confusing assumptions about what an operating system is, which they
>have to overcome before progressing with FreeBSD. That's quite hard to do.
>
>I use FreeBSD for teaching people general unix. The system is installed
>and configured specifically for their needs, and the training is
>structured in such a way that they enjoy success before tackling more
>complex tasks. There is quite a lot to learn before touching on
>anything specific to BSD or whatever. When they reach junior
>administrator level, they have a pretty good basic understanding of
>unix systems in general and FreeBSD in particular, but they are still
>nowhere near the point where I would have them install a system alone.
>Users don't need to know half of what system administrators know.
>
>With that in mind, for the isolated home user trying FreeBSD as a first
>unix, the task is tremendously difficult considering you have to
>successfully install the bloody thing before trying your first unix
>command. It's all backwards. From the viewpoint of an educator, that
>method of learning FreeBSD is an unsound practice to put it mildly.
>
>Nevertheless we have here, reading this email right now, hundreds of
>FreeBSD users who have done just that. Somehow they managed, through a
>combination of tenacity, learning skill, and sheer good luck, to pull
>it all together. That's not how it's meant to be. If you have travelled
>that painful road and come out the other side, you're amazing, you can
>do anything! You might have got there quicker if you'd got yourself
>some background first and had a well set up machine to start with, and
>you would have arrived here with fewer war wounds, but hey, you're here
>now and wiser for the experience. Most raw beginners aren't so lucky.
>
>Nobody should be afraid to try another operating system for a while,
>especially if it is going to help you to learn stuff that you can
>transfer to FreeBSD later on. There are a number of more Microsoft-like
>unix style systems that are specifically (exclusively?) targeted at the
>desktop user. They are easy to install and use (provided you have
>exactly the hardware and usage requirements that they predict), and
>they have their purpose. FreeBSD happens to have an entirely different
>purpose, and that is why I like it so much.
>
>--
>
>Regards,
>         -*Sue*-
>
>
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respect.. Sue.
Wonderful.

greetings from munich
kalle

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Wed Jun 13 10:58:46 2001
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Sue Blake wrote:

> ...you will be a lot more productive if you let
> an expert set up the system for you and begin your learning after that,
> with their guidance.

Very true! Here at work we use Solaris in the engineering department. A
lot of new people come in totally in fear of this thing called Unix. But
the IT department preinstalls it on the workstations, and does all
maintenance and configuration. All the user has to do is sit down and
log in. The new user loses their fear in about a day, and in about a
month they begin to realize that *anything* can be done under Unix if
they just put the pieces together right.

David

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> I have no clue as to what Unix is, but I hear the FreeBSD is very stable, and
> much more secure than Windows ever has been. I am also scared of Internet
> Trojans, and hackers, and think FreeBSD might be an option.
> Can you give me any information?

Two comments:

1) Read the Handbook first. Browse the FreeBSD site. Have some sort of
idea of what you're doing before you do it.

2) If you can wrangle it, get a second hard disk and use it for FreeBSD
while keeping the first for Windows. If you can't get a second disk,
then consider Partition Magic. It's always a pain blowing away one OS
only to encounter installation troubles with the other...

David

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Out of curiosity, how tf did you find -newbies@freebsd.org,
yet you still know nothing about freebsd?  This sorta stuff always
amazes me, and it's very puzzling when people write here asking
what FreeBSD is.



. . . .|ProzacSixtymg@cs.com wrote:
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. . . .|> I have no clue as to what Unix is, but I hear the FreeBSD is very stable, and
. . . .|> much more secure than Windows ever has been. I am also scared of Internet
. . . .|> Trojans, and hackers, and think FreeBSD might be an option.
. . . .|> Can you give me any information?
.

www.nul.cjb.net
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Well if you're freaked out and scared about Linux then you may encounter 
terror with freebsd! lol

Freebsd as I have learned through my own experience  is more for people who 
are not scared to get into the Unix technical manuals and actually 
understand what they are reading.

Joel

PS. Maybe staying away from the prozac could help too! lol



At 09:09 AM 6/13/01 -0400, you wrote:
>I have been using windows for about 5 or so years now. But, I have considered
>FreeBSD. I have been reading the box full of software at CompUSA. I am
>interested but a little scared. I tried LINUX once, but freaked out, and
>tried to put windows 98 back on, but it would not format the whole disk. So,
>I had to get help, and have been scared ever sense.
>I have no clue as to what Unix is, but I hear the FreeBSD is very stable, and
>much more secure than Windows ever has been. I am also scared of Internet
>Trojans, and hackers, and think FreeBSD might be an option.
>Can you give me any information?
>
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Very good idea ...
Once you make the file available, I'll try adding some things ...

-Bill

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I'm in the process of compiling a new datafile for the fortune(6) program.  
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like, this is going to be tips for FreeBSD that can appear when people log 
in.

Things like

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    Want colour in your directory listings?  Use "ls -G".  "ls -F" is also  
    useful, and they can be combined as "ls -FG".
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I need your contributions.  If you've got any tips and hints for FreeBSD, 
please send them to me.  Try and keep them short and sweet, and please make 
sure that the subject starts "TIP" so that I can easily find them.

Once I've got 30 or 40 I'll commit this to the tree so that people can 
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N
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Hi Johnny,

You might find this site useful:

http://www.onlamp.com/pub/ct/15

Cheers,

Dru

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This one also may be helpful.

http://freebsd.peon.net/freebsd/index.html

Tom Collins

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At 07:28 14-06-2001 -0400, Dru wrote:
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>http://www.onlamp.com/pub/ct/15

Very nice, Dru!

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> Johnny Lopez wrote:
> 
> What are some good informative sites - in plain simple english, that I
> can learn on how to secure a FreeBSD box.

Start with "man security". Then look over the appropriate chapters in
the Handbook. These are really good resources to start with.

David

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What file do I need to edit to disable the Ctrl+Alt+Del command? Also how do
I make FreeBSD not respond to ping requests?
I'm using FreeBSD 4.3.  

Thanks,

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At 17:46 15.6. 2001, Karlo Espiritu wrote the following:
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>What file do I need to edit to disable the Ctrl+Alt+Del command? 

IIRC there's a kernel option to disable it.. yup:

$ cd /sys/i386/conf
$ grep reboot LINT
options     SC_DISABLE_REBOOT     # disable reboot key sequence



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On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 08:46:06AM -0700, Karlo Espiritu wrote:
> What file do I need to edit to disable the Ctrl+Alt+Del command? Also how do
> I make FreeBSD not respond to ping requests?
> I'm using FreeBSD 4.3.  

You can edit the keyboard map and replace `boot' with `nop' where you
find it.  For instance, in my 4.3-STABLE the keymap of the console
contains:

    # kbdcontrol -d < /dev/ttyv0 | grep boot
      083   del    '.'    '.'    '.'    '.'    '.'    boot   boot    N
      103   fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 boot   fkey61  O

Change the keymap to your taste (replacing `boot' with `nop'), load
the new keymap, and you're ready to go :)

-giorgos

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--- Giorgos Keramidas <keramida@ceid.upatras.gr> wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 08:46:06AM -0700, Karlo Espiritu wrote:
> > What file do I need to edit to disable the Ctrl+Alt+Del command? Also how do
> > I make FreeBSD not respond to ping requests?
> > I'm using FreeBSD 4.3.  
> 
> You can edit the keyboard map and replace `boot' with `nop' where you
> find it.  For instance, in my 4.3-STABLE the keymap of the console
in addition to that, if you want to ignore [specific] ICMP packets, I recommend that you enable
IPFW or IPF in the kernel and block according to protocol (ICMP).

Bruce\


> contains:
> 
>     # kbdcontrol -d < /dev/ttyv0 | grep boot
>       083   del    '.'    '.'    '.'    '.'    '.'    boot   boot    N
>       103   fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 fkey61 boot   fkey61  O
> 
> Change the keymap to your taste (replacing `boot' with `nop'), load
> the new keymap, and you're ready to go :)
> 
> -giorgos
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