From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 5:42:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from starbug.ugh.net.au (starbug.ugh.net.au [203.31.238.37]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C616137B719; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:42:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@ugh.net.au) Received: by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4E1EDA86A; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:40:19 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by starbug.ugh.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E435479; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:40:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:40:19 +1000 (EST) From: To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Mike Pritchard , Larry Rosenman , , Subject: Re: cputype=486 In-Reply-To: <20010312003516.A51209@mollari.cthul.hu> Message-ID: X-WonK: *wibble* MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well I'm sure the problem has been sorted by now but make world has finished on my 486 and everything is fine...strip works as expected. Thanks, Andrew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 5:48:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from lerami.lerctr.org (lerami.lerctr.org [207.158.72.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82FC637B71A; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:48:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ler@lerctr.org) Received: (from ler@localhost) by lerami.lerctr.org (8.12.0.Beta5/8.12.0.Beta5/20010318/$Revision: 1.16 $) id f2LDj4Vc023306; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:45:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from ler) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 07:45:04 -0600 From: Larry Rosenman To: andrew@ugh.net.au Cc: Kris Kennaway , Mike Pritchard , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: cputype=486 Message-ID: <20010321074504.A23234@lerami.lerctr.org> References: <20010312003516.A51209@mollari.cthul.hu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.16i In-Reply-To: ; from andrew@ugh.net.au on Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 11:40:19PM +1000 X-Mailer: Mutt http://www.mutt.org/ Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * andrew@ugh.net.au [010321 07:42]: > > > Well I'm sure the problem has been sorted by now but make world has > finished on my 486 and everything is fine...strip works as expected. > Yes, the problem was the fact that the host system was running CPUTYPE=p3 code. Some places use the HOST system library. This will be true in 4.3-RELEASE, and a warning is supposed to be present (I haven't CVSUP'd in a while). LER > Thanks, > > Andrew > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler@lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 19:39:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1E8037B720; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:39:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M3doh03264; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:39:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:39:49 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: jkh@FreeBSD.org Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.3-BETA: standard + x/kerndev installs everything? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Was a bit surprised to see "Installing krb5 into directory /..." flick by following a standard install selected on today's 4.3 (4.2?) snapshot from releng3. In fact, it installed everything, as far as I can tell, and I'm pretty sure I did the standard install, with an x + kernel developer selection. How can I debug this further? Seems like a problem :-) Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 20:46:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4EE37B719; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:46:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M4kWh03985; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:46:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:46:32 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: jkh@FreeBSD.org Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.3-BETA: standard installs should make sure to install X readmes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If the user chooses a moderately standard X configuration, the necessary README's should be installed automatically such that XF86Setup doesn't whine about them being missing when starting. The documentation stuff can't take all that much space, but it's better that we don't spit warning stuff at the user when it's unnecessary :-) Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 21: 7:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B1DF37B725; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:07:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M57oh04166; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:07:50 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:07:50 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: jkh@FreeBSD.org Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If I run /stand/sysinstall after finishing the install and logging in as root, both ad0 and wd0 appear in the devices menu if I choose Custom -> Partition. This is potentially quite confusing, and given that our recommended path for post-install disk management is /stand/sysinstall. This appears to be the case because we continue to create all wd* devices as well as ad* devices in /dev by default. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 21:14:15 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5930037B720; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:14:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M5ECh04229; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:14:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:14:12 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: jkh@FreeBSD.org Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.3-BETA: inconsistent case for URLs in default /etc/motd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Most URLs in the default motd specify FreeBSD.org, but one specifies freebsd.org. Consistency is, while boring, nonetheless preferable. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 21:26: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2846137B720; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:26:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2M5Pt012433; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:25:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA: standard + x/kerndev installs everything? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010321212555C.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:25:55 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 16 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Was a bit surprised to see "Installing krb5 into directory /..." flick by > following a standard install selected on today's 4.3 (4.2?) snapshot from I'm not sure why... It's been like this: #define DIST_CRYPTO_BIN \ ( DIST_CRYPTO_CRYPTO | DIST_CRYPTO_KERBEROS4 | DIST_CRYPTO_KERBEROS5 ) For awhile. In fact, now that you made me look again, I do in fact see that this set is the default for minimum, user and developer. Whoops, I guess I was wrong about minimum! I read it the wrong way the first time and forgot that DIST_CRYPTO_BIN was a macro. What would folks prefer to see for these three classes? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 21:38:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0DD37B71C; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:38:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2M5cK012546; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:38:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA: standard installs should make sure to install X readmes In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010321213819M.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:38:19 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 9 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > If the user chooses a moderately standard X configuration, the necessary > README's should be installed automatically such that XF86Setup doesn't > whine about them being missing when starting. The documentation stuff > can't take all that much space, but it's better that we don't spit warning > stuff at the user when it's unnecessary :-) No argument there, fixed. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 21:42:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF84B37B71B; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:42:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2M5gP013336; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:42:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010321214225T.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:42:25 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 21 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I believe this is a function of libdisk(3), which cheerfully returns to sysinstall an array of disk devices which includes both wd0 and ad0. Perhaps wd0 should just be taken completely out of libdisk? - Jordan From: Robert Watson Subject: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:07:50 -0500 (EST) > > If I run /stand/sysinstall after finishing the install and logging in as > root, both ad0 and wd0 appear in the devices menu if I choose Custom -> > Partition. This is potentially quite confusing, and given that our > recommended path for post-install disk management is /stand/sysinstall. > This appears to be the case because we continue to create all wd* devices > as well as ad* devices in /dev by default. > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 21:51:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 600ED37B71B; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:51:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M5phh04723; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:51:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:51:43 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear In-Reply-To: <20010321214225T.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Perhaps it should be taken out of MAKEDEV all? :-) Has to be preserved in case the kernel is rebuilt with wd instead of ad, but if ad is the default driver, there's no reason to create wd nodes also. We need wd in libdisk since wd can still be a valid drive name in 4.x. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > I believe this is a function of libdisk(3), which cheerfully returns > to sysinstall an array of disk devices which includes both wd0 and ad0. > Perhaps wd0 should just be taken completely out of libdisk? > > - Jordan > > From: Robert Watson > Subject: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear > Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:07:50 -0500 (EST) > > > > > If I run /stand/sysinstall after finishing the install and logging in as > > root, both ad0 and wd0 appear in the devices menu if I choose Custom -> > > Partition. This is potentially quite confusing, and given that our > > recommended path for post-install disk management is /stand/sysinstall. > > This appears to be the case because we continue to create all wd* devices > > as well as ad* devices in /dev by default. > > > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 22: 9:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from web13202.mail.yahoo.com (web13202.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.187]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 050B737B71D for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:09:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lipshitz909@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010322060905.3135.qmail@web13202.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.167.135.253] by web13202.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:09:05 PST Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:09:05 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Librettez Subject: 4.3-BETA won't su to root in X terminal To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG After upgrading to 4.3-BETA, I find I cannot su to root in a terminal window (rxvt, xterm) in X (XFree86-3.3.6 with either GNOME or KDE). Even if I enter the correct password, the su login gets rejected (and yes, user is member of wheel group). The logs report `BAD SU LIPSHITZ to root on ttyp0`. However, in a plain terminal (not in X), I CAN su to root as a regular user. Prior to upgrading to 4.3-BETA (kernel + userland), I was able to su to root in X in 4.2-STABLE. I tried adding `secure´ after the ttyp entries in /etc/ttys but that didn´t help. I did both mergemaster and MAKEDEV all during my rebuild. I specifically re-made the ttyp* devices. I even typed out the su password on the terminal to make sure it shows correctly and it does. On a separate box using 4.2-STABLE I upgraded only the kernel to 4.3-BETA (same 4.2-STABLE userland), and the problem still occurred - couldn´t su to root in an X terminal. Is the problem in the kernel? A bug? A DoS? I cvsup´d 5 times and rebuilded 5 times (I am now up to 4.3-RC) with no change in this problem. How do I fix this? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 23: 1:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5619437B71A; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:01:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2M71T092823; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:01:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA: inconsistent case for URLs in default /etc/motd In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010321230129H.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:01:29 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 5 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gosh, how anal can you get. :-) :-) Fixed. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 23:12:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29C937B719; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:12:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2M7CQ016215; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:12:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear In-Reply-To: References: <20010321214225T.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010321231226R.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:12:26 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 6 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I'm not sure what you're proposing here. I saw several suggestions in all that, but some of them had mutually conflicting dependencies and it's just not clear to me what it is you're specifically asking to have happen. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 23:27:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF6737B71C; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:27:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M7Rgh05779; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:27:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:27:41 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear In-Reply-To: <20010321231226R.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > I'm not sure what you're proposing here. I saw several suggestions in > all that, but some of them had mutually conflicting dependencies and > it's just not clear to me what it is you're specifically asking to > have happen. Ok, how about this: Remove the wd lines from MAKEDEV all. This prevents the devices from being created as part of the install, although they can still be manually be created if desired, are preserved across upgrades, and used in the "fixit" MAKEDEV profile. This is consistent with other odd-ball or obsoleted devices, which are present in MAKEDEV but in practice never created except when the operator introduces drivers for the devices through reconfiguring the kernel or loading a module. This still leaves people who upgraded and have historical wd devices as well as recent ad devices in a situation where both appear, but for new installs only ad will appear. I think this is fine, given that sysinstall apparently doesn't ask the kernel for active disk devices, it asks /dev for any disk devices. In the future, given that we can sysctl export the device tree from newbus, extracting disk names from there would make more sense (especially in light of devfs). Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services Index: MAKEDEV =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/etc/MAKEDEV,v retrieving revision 1.292 diff -u -r1.292 MAKEDEV --- MAKEDEV 2001/03/15 15:32:42 1.292 +++ MAKEDEV 2001/03/22 07:21:08 @@ -258,8 +258,6 @@ sh MAKEDEV ad0 ad1 ad2 ad3 # bdev, ATA disk sh MAKEDEV ar0 ar1 # bdev, ATA RAID disk sh MAKEDEV acd0 acd0t afd0 ast0 # bdev, ATAPI devices - sh MAKEDEV wd0 wd1 wd2 wd3 # bdev, OLD disk - sh MAKEDEV wcd0 wfd0 wst0 # bdev, OLD ATAPI devs sh MAKEDEV vn0 # bdev, virtual disk sh MAKEDEV cd0 matcd0 mcd0 scd0 # bdev, cdrom sh MAKEDEV sa0 wt0 # bdev, tape To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 23:34:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE95C37B719; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:34:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2M7YA071467; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:34:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear In-Reply-To: References: <20010321231226R.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010321233410T.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:34:10 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 3 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This seems reasonable. Done. Do we risk it for 4.3 though? - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Mar 21 23:46:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E3437B71C; Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:46:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2M7kLh05931; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:46:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:46:20 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear In-Reply-To: <20010321233410T.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > This seems reasonable. Done. Do we risk it for 4.3 though? Hence the remainder of the trepidation and waffling throughout my original response :-). Hmm. Hmm. Excellent question. Wish I'd remembered this issue before. How about you MFC it, and make some sort of "everyone test this please because rwatson and I are fools" announcement and if there are any problems, we back it out? It would be good to have fixed. On the other hand, it's been broken for a while now and there's no point in shooting ourselves in the feet, which we have proven so good at doing in the past. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 2:32: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from logatome.francenet.fr (logatome-2.francenet.fr [193.149.96.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CC737B71F; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 02:32:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from e-masson@kisoft-services.com) Received: from notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Nantes9.francenet.net [193.149.110.73]) by logatome.francenet.fr (8.10.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2MAVuV46546; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:31:56 +0100 (CET) Received: by notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EDFA6E6D00; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:55:51 +0100 (CET) To: John Baldwin Cc: marcel@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, Larry Rosenman Subject: Re: cputype=486 References: From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: (John Baldwin's message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:43:23 -0800 (PST)") Date: 22 Mar 2001 10:55:50 +0100 Message-ID: <86ofuugmah.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090001 (Oort Gnus v0.01) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >>>>> "John" == John Baldwin writes: Hello John> It looks like there may be a bug in buildworld. It seems that John> static binaries are being linked against /usr/lib/libc.a rather John> than /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/lib/libc/libc.a. Has this issue been adressed ? TIA Eric Masson -- > Je souhaiterais essayer Internet Explorer 4.0 sous Linux. > Il existe 2 versions: une sous HP/UX et une sous Solaris > Laquelle dois je utiliser? -+- MJM in Guide du linuxien pervers : "Choisir son environnement" -+- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 4:21:18 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (064-184-210-067.inaddr.vitts.com [64.184.210.67]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A63F37B71A; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 04:21:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2MCL3L06729; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:21:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200103221221.f2MCL3L06729@spoon.beta.com> To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, mcgovern@spoon.beta.com Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA: inconsistent case for URLs in default /etc/motd In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:01:29 PST." <20010321230129H.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:21:03 -0500 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thats the job of a good QA engineer - to be as anal as possible. Then its up to the RE and developers to tell them when they're being 'too anal'. :) God, I love my new job as an RE at Cisco ;) > Gosh, how anal can you get. :-) :-) > > Fixed. > > - Jordan > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 7:37:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE4637B719; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:37:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2MFaJh10555; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:36:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:36:19 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: If sysinstall is used after boot to partition, ad0 and wd0 appear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Robert Watson wrote: > > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > > This seems reasonable. Done. Do we risk it for 4.3 though? > > Hence the remainder of the trepidation and waffling throughout my > original response :-). Ok, so that didn't work so well. I've posted a respon to Takahashi Yoshihiro suggesting a couple of possible paths, none of which should be attempted before 4.3-RELEASE: divergent MAKEDEV's for pc98 and i386, and fixing AD to meet their needs. I guess I fell for the constant bombardment of "AD is perfect, we will all use AD" -- apparently that didn't take PC98 into account. In any case, an interesting exercise, and one we should attempt to address in the post-release scenario. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 7:41:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9835E37B720; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:41:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2MFfYh10630; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:41:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:41:34 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Larry Librettez Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA won't su to root in X terminal In-Reply-To: <20010322060905.3135.qmail@web13202.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Larry Librettez wrote: > After upgrading to 4.3-BETA, I find I cannot su to root in a terminal > window (rxvt, xterm) in X (XFree86-3.3.6 with either GNOME or KDE).=20 > Even if I enter the correct password, the su login gets rejected (and > yes, user is member of wheel group). The logs report `BAD SU LIPSHITZ to > root on ttyp0`. However, in a plain terminal (not in X), I CAN su to > root as a regular user. Prior to upgrading to 4.3-BETA (kernel + > userland), I was able to su to root in X in 4.2-STABLE. I tried adding > `secure=B4 after the ttyp entries in /etc/ttys but that didn=B4t help. I = did > both mergemaster and MAKEDEV all during my rebuild. I specifically > re-made the ttyp* devices. I even typed out the su password on the > terminal to make sure it shows correctly and it does. On a separate box > using 4.2-STABLE I upgraded only the kernel to 4.3-BETA (same 4.2-STABLE > userland), and the problem still occurred - couldn=B4t su to root in an X > terminal. >=20 > Is the problem in the kernel? A bug? A DoS? I cvsup=B4d 5 times and > rebuilded 5 times (I am now up to 4.3-RC) with no change in this > problem.=20 Hmm. I was unable to reproduce this on a fresh 4.3-RC install from yesterday. One thing we did notice is that the standard install set was improperly installing Kerberos support, and it may be that something was going on relating to that. Can we pursuade you to update to the next snapshot and see if the problem goes away? This sounds like a pretty puzzling bug. There are a few other things you might try, including starting X as the root user, and seeing if (a) you can su to other users properly, and (b) if you su to another user, whether you can su back to root properly. Also, run "id" as the normal user and verify that your groups are being properly picked up when xterm starts. Try removing the setuid bit from xterm if not, and see if that helps. Also, what version of 2.2 did you upgrade from? If it's still on the snapshot server, I could try installing that, then doing the upgrade, and see if I get the same problem.=20 Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 8:53:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from web13208.mail.yahoo.com (web13208.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A25537B71F for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:53:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lipshitz909@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010322165331.97337.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.167.135.253] by web13208.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:53:31 PST Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 08:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Librettez Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA won't su to root in X terminal To: Robert Watson Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Thank you for sharing your insights. It is not everyday that one is given the priviledge of sharing in the wisdom of a core developer. > Can we pursuade you to > update to the next > snapshot and see if the problem goes away? Yes, I'll give it a try, but I am already up to 4.3-RC and it still happens. > There are a few other things you > might try, including > starting X as the root user, and seeing if (a) you > can su to other users > properly, and (b) if you su to another user, whether > you can su back to > root properly. Doing what you described, I was able to accomplish both (a) and (b) without problems. It is only as a regular user (who is a member of the wheel group) that the problem arises. > Also, run "id" as the normal user > and verify that your > groups are being properly picked up when xterm > starts. Yes, all groups are shown, including wheel, for the regular user. > Try removing the > setuid bit from xterm if not, and see if that helps. Tried it, but still no change. > Also, what version of 2.2 did you upgrade from? If > it's still on the > snapshot server, I could try installing that, then > doing the upgrade, and > see if I get the same problem. This system was originally installed as 4.2-RELEASE from a cd. It was subsequently upgraded to 4.2-STABLE, then 4.3-BETA and now it is 4.3-RC. The problem arose after the transition from 4.2-STABLE to 4.3-BETA. Also strange, is if I boot the 4.2-STABLE kernel (kernel.old) within 4.3-RC userland, the problem goes away - I CAN su to root within an X terminal! This also is strange - from within X (4.3-RC kernel + 4.3-RC userland), if I start gnome-terminal, I CAN su to root in that terminal window. If I start xterm or rxvt, I cannot. However, if I start rxvt or xterm from WITHIN a gnome-terminal as regular user (i.e. 'rxvt &' or 'xterm &'), I CAN su to root from within that rxvt or xterm! Strange! So for now, I have resorted to using gnome-terminal as my X terminal of choice. Do you have any other ideas? Thanks in advance. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 9: 9:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D1D37B71A; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:09:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2MH8nh11603; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:08:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:08:48 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Larry Librettez Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA won't su to root in X terminal In-Reply-To: <20010322165331.97337.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Larry Librettez wrote: > Thank you for sharing your insights. It is not everyday that one is > given the priviledge of sharing in the wisdom of a core developer. Sounds like I may be being oversold as an answer to the world's problems :-). > > Also, what version of 2.2 did you upgrade from? If > > it's still on the > > snapshot server, I could try installing that, then > > doing the upgrade, and > > see if I get the same problem. > > This system was originally installed as 4.2-RELEASE from a cd. It was > subsequently upgraded to 4.2-STABLE, then 4.3-BETA and now it is 4.3-RC. > The problem arose after the transition from 4.2-STABLE to 4.3-BETA. Also > strange, is if I boot the 4.2-STABLE kernel (kernel.old) within 4.3-RC > userland, the problem goes away - I CAN su to root within an X terminal! > > This also is strange - from within X (4.3-RC kernel + 4.3-RC userland), > if I start gnome-terminal, I CAN su to root in that terminal window. If > I start xterm or rxvt, I cannot. However, if I start rxvt or xterm from > WITHIN a gnome-terminal as regular user (i.e. 'rxvt &' or 'xterm &'), I > CAN su to root from within that rxvt or xterm! Strange! > > So for now, I have resorted to using gnome-terminal as my X terminal of > choice. Do you have any other ideas? Hmm. Bizarre. I'm going to go write some test programs and send them to you sometime a bit later today. I must admit this is a fairly baffling bug -- the next area of exploration is probably into how the various forms of uid (effective, saved, real, ...) are set up by xterm. It's odd that the problem persisted once the setuid bit was removed from xterm, in particular. I should get back to you sometime later today. Thanks! Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 9:51:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2E637B71C; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:51:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2MHoRh12255; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:50:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:50:27 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Larry Librettez Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA won't su to root in X terminal In-Reply-To: <20010322165331.97337.qmail@web13208.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1727467116-985283427=:11543" Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1727467116-985283427=:11543 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Larry Librettez wrote: > This also is strange - from within X (4.3-RC kernel + 4.3-RC userland), > if I start gnome-terminal, I CAN su to root in that terminal window. If > I start xterm or rxvt, I cannot. However, if I start rxvt or xterm from > WITHIN a gnome-terminal as regular user (i.e. 'rxvt &' or 'xterm &'), I > CAN su to root from within that rxvt or xterm! Strange! As I mentioned in my prior e-mail, it sounds like something about the credential/context of the shell is getting botched, resulting (for reasons unknown) in a failure of su. I've written up a quick program that prints out the accessible process credential information to the terminal by calling a variety of get*() system calls. If possible, I'd like to get you to run this in three different scenarios, saving the output to appropriately named files :-). These would be the: at the shell prompt on the console prior to su, in an xterm prior to su, and in a gnome-terminal prior to su. Then e-mail them back and we can take a look. I've attached the program in source form as a tarball, just: tar -xzf test.tgz cd test make And invoke as ./test There are a couple of other aspects that may be relevant here, relating to Kerberos interference if you are running on a box where kerberos got installed due to a bug in sysinstall. If the credential output doesn't give us any clues, we can follow up on that, and terminal-related issues. Thanks! 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Sobral" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pt-BR MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA: inconsistent case for URLs in default /etc/motd References: <20010321230129H.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > Gosh, how anal can you get. :-) :-) You realize that's a very dangerous question, don't you? :-) -- Daniel C. Sobral (8-DCS) dcs@newsguy.com dcs@freebsd.org capo@the.secret.bsdconspiracy.net It's a rewarding life, but hey, somebody has to have all the fun, right? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 10:26:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39BE37B71C; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:26:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2MIQWh12884; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:26:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:26:32 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, sos@FreeBSD.org Subject: ATA on 4.3-BETA: "ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr" Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Decided to install 4.3-BETA (20010322) on an old Micron Pentium box we had lying around (probably a P166 w/48 mb of RAM). Seems to be working OK, but got: ... atapci0: port 0xf4b0-0xf4ff irq 11 at device 16.8 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ... ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr ata1-slave: identify failed ad0: 2814MB [4092/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2 acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO3 ... The devices appear to have probed properly, but that ata1-slave warning is a bit worrying. Should I be concerned? Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 11: 1:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF31037B720; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:01:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MJ18089201; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:01:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: mcgovern@spoon.beta.com Cc: rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA: inconsistent case for URLs in default /etc/motd In-Reply-To: <200103221221.f2MCL3L06729@spoon.beta.com> References: <20010321230129H.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <200103221221.f2MCL3L06729@spoon.beta.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010322110108P.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:01:08 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 6 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well, it's always better to have someone being too anal than not anal enough. :) Seriously, I do appreciate all of rwatson's comments. It's those tiny little things which add up to a good impression (or, if not fixed, the opposite :). - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 11: 6:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from meow.osd.bsdi.com (meow.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8660737B71A; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:06:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (john@jhb-laptop.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.28.241]) by meow.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MJ64G80685; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86ofuugmah.fsf@notbsdems.nantes.kisoft-services.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:05:52 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Eric Masson Subject: Re: cputype=486 Cc: Larry Rosenman , qa@FreeBSD.org, marcel@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 22-Mar-01 Eric Masson wrote: >>>>>> "John" == John Baldwin writes: > > Hello > > John> It looks like there may be a bug in buildworld. It seems that > John> static binaries are being linked against /usr/lib/libc.a rather > John> than /usr/obj/usr/src/i386/lib/libc/libc.a. > > Has this issue been adressed ? Fixing this requires more work and changes than can be done this close to release. The fix is to just Don't Do That(tm). > TIA > > Eric Masson -- John Baldwin -- http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ PGP Key: http://www.baldwin.cx/~john/pgpkey.asc "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 11: 7:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from web13203.mail.yahoo.com (web13203.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.188]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3C7D037B720 for ; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:07:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lipshitz909@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20010322190744.65221.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.167.135.253] by web13203.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:07:44 PST Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 11:07:44 -0800 (PST) From: Larry Librettez Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA won't su to root in X terminal To: Robert Watson Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-1610120709-985288064=:59054" Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --0-1610120709-985288064=:59054 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Here are the outputs, appropriately named. I concatenated the output for an rxvt window to the 'xterm' file. I hope this is helpful. --- Robert Watson wrote: > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Larry Librettez wrote: > > > This also is strange - from within X (4.3-RC > kernel + 4.3-RC userland), > > if I start gnome-terminal, I CAN su to root in > that terminal window. If > > I start xterm or rxvt, I cannot. However, if I > start rxvt or xterm from > > WITHIN a gnome-terminal as regular user (i.e. > 'rxvt &' or 'xterm &'), I > > CAN su to root from within that rxvt or xterm! > Strange! > > As I mentioned in my prior e-mail, it sounds like > something about the > credential/context of the shell is getting botched, > resulting (for reasons > unknown) in a failure of su. I've written up a > quick program that prints > out the accessible process credential information to > the terminal by > calling a variety of get*() system calls. If > possible, I'd like to get > you to run this in three different scenarios, saving > the output to > appropriately named files :-). These would be the: > at the shell prompt on > the console prior to su, in an xterm prior to su, > and in a gnome-terminal > prior to su. Then e-mail them back and we can take > a look. I've attached > the program in source form as a tarball, just: > > tar -xzf test.tgz > cd test > make > > And invoke as > > ./test > > There are a couple of other aspects that may be > relevant here, relating to > Kerberos interference if you are running on a box > where kerberos got > installed due to a bug in sysinstall. If the > credential output doesn't > give us any clues, we can follow up on that, and > terminal-related issues. > > Thanks! > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, > TrustedBSD Project > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport > Network Services > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream name=test.tgz __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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At least we got the necessary feedback quickly, eh? :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 12: 4:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CAC937B719; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:04:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MK49089515; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:04:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: developers@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Subject: Revised schedule for 4.3-RELEASE X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010322120409J.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:04:09 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 35 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, I've thought long and hard about this over the past week and I think we're going to need a bit more time to get 4-stable into the kind of shape I think we all *want* it to be in come release time. Now that people are really starting to ramp up and test the bits, we're getting some interesting reports and some of them may be indicative of issues which are rather severe. It's still too early to tell, but with the release date set for March 30th we also don't really have much time to find out or to fix any of the issues people are current identifying so, without further ado, here's my provisional revised schedule: March 26th: 4.3-RC1 April 2nd: 4.3-RC2 April 10th: 4.3-RC3 April 15th: 4.3-RELEASE Why three RC (Release Candidate) builds rather than just one? Because it seems that people really tend to test the RCs more than the -stable snapshots, which lack ISO images and any real sense of collective effort behind them. If we break this into three checkpoints, each on a Monday, we have a full week for people to syncronize themselves on that RC and make sure that: a) Any bugs they reported in the previous week are gone and b) There are no new bugs they can find. By April 15th, tax day** here in the US, I think we'll be ready to create a very good 4.3-RELEASE! Thanks, - Jordan ** And I already filed mine, so nyah nyah nyah! :-) :-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 12:16:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F8E37B71F; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:16:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2MKGd089685; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:16:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: dcs@newsguy.com Cc: rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG, jkh@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA: inconsistent case for URLs in default /etc/motd In-Reply-To: <3ABA40C2.CB652347@newsguy.com> References: <20010321230129H.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> <3ABA40C2.CB652347@newsguy.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010322121639Q.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 12:16:39 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 5 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You realize that's a very dangerous question, don't you? :-) Yes. I'm withdrawing it immediately. :) - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Mar 22 20:50:40 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from turtle.looksharp.net (cc360882-a.strhg1.mi.home.com [24.2.221.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690E737B71A; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:50:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Received: from localhost (bsdx@localhost) by turtle.looksharp.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f2N4u6S36307; Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:56:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bsdx@looksharp.net) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:56:06 -0500 (EST) From: Adam To: Cc: Subject: sysinstall disklabel being too helpful Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG One thing I noticed about sysinstall recently while dinking with new partitions on a soon-to-be boot disk that sysinstall will try to be helpful by running swapon on any swap partition you make. This is inconvenient because it locks you into your partitioning choices for that drive until reboot. Enabling swap on the partition, as well as mounting the partitions afterwards, should be an option on the disklabel screen and default to off. I have also been burned many years ago when I used sysinstall to make a new partition to contain binaries needed for multiuser, expecting all was sound because sysinstall mounted it, and having the next boot fail because it didnt bother to put it in /etc/fstab for me. I know better now, but it should both mount and append fstab or neither. Thanks Comments about swapon: bsdx, that fucks me off too bsdx: I've run into that before, and we should get it fixed before 4.3-release. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 23 0:21:44 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from freebsd.dk (fw-rl0.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EE7337B719; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:21:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sos@freebsd.dk) Received: (from sos@localhost) by freebsd.dk (8.9.3/8.9.1) id JAA12097; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:21:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from sos) From: Soren Schmidt Message-Id: <200103230821.JAA12097@freebsd.dk> Subject: Re: ATA on 4.3-BETA: "ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr" In-Reply-To: from Robert Watson at "Mar 22, 2001 01:26:32 pm" To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org (Robert Watson) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 09:21:30 +0100 (CET) Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, sos@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL54 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG It seems Robert Watson wrote: > > Decided to install 4.3-BETA (20010322) on an old Micron Pentium box we had > lying around (probably a P166 w/48 mb of RAM). Seems to be working OK, > but got: > > ... > atapci0: port 0xf4b0-0xf4ff irq 11 at device > 16.8 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > ... > ata1-slave: ata_command: timeout waiting for intr > ata1-slave: identify failed > ad0: 2814MB [4092/16/63] at ata0-master WDMA2 > acd0: CDROM at ata1-master using PIO3 > ... > > The devices appear to have probed properly, but that ata1-slave warning is > a bit worrying. Should I be concerned? I bet its the "fake slave" problem that some ATAPI devices has when they are set as master. Try do a verbose boot and mail me the dmesg... -Søren To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 23 12:16: 1 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FC837B71A; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:15:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2NKA8h32253; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:10:08 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:10:08 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Larry Librettez Cc: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.3-BETA won't su to root in X terminal In-Reply-To: <20010322190744.65221.qmail@web13203.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Larry Librettez wrote: > Here are the outputs, appropriately named. I concatenated the output > for an rxvt window to the 'xterm' file. I hope this is helpful. Unfortunately, it was helpful in the sense that it eliminated a few sources of potential problems, but didn't identify the actual problem. The next step may be to instrument su to generate more debugging output as it proceeds. Is that something you feel comfortable doing, or would you like me to send you patches? Also, can you e-mail me (privately) the output of running 'nm' on your su binary, as well as the contents of your /etc/pam.conf and /etc/auth.conf? This will provide me with more information about your system configuration, as well as determine what features of su were enabled in the version installed on your system (whether it ended up being a kerberized version due to the sysinstall bug, etc). Thanks, and hopefully we can resolve this soon. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 23 12:21:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E7EA37B71B; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 12:21:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2NKLGh32405; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:21:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 15:21:16 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: KDE desktop install broken from releng4.freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I installed the 20010323 snapshot from relen4.freebsd.org today, and on doing the X desktop configuration, selected KDE as the preferred desktop. Sysinstall chugged for a bit, and then gave me the following error: Unable to fetch package libmng-1.0.0_1 from the selected media. No package add will be done. then.. Loading of dependant package libmng-1.0.0_1 failed then.. Loading of dependant package kdesupport-2.1 failed then.. Loading of dependant package kdelibs-2.1 failed then.. An error occurred while adding the package(s) required by this desktop type. Please change installation media and/or select a different, perhaps simpler, desktop environment and try again. First off, s/dependant/dependent/. Second, it's a pity the install of KDE didn't work. When I installed another package (not desktop), ntop, it worked fine. I then went to the KDE packages section of the Packages installer in sysinstall, and noted that there is a kde-i18n-2.1, but no kde-2.1, which (as I understand it) should exist. The GNOME/sawfish install also failed, du to a failure to fetch glib-1.2.10 and ORBit. In fact, it generally appeared that there were package problems associated with the desktop packages. I may be experiencing connectivity problems to releng4 (although fvwm as a desktop did install alright), but regardless of that, it would be good if other people checked the desktop package installs, if kde-2.1 appeared in the KDE section, and if the spelling of dependent was fixed. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 23 17:25:41 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6464237B71D; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:25:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2O1PS003466; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:25:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: KDE desktop install broken from releng4.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010323172528N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:25:28 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 11 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I installed the 20010323 snapshot from relen4.freebsd.org today, and on > doing the X desktop configuration, selected KDE as the preferred desktop. > Sysinstall chugged for a bit, and then gave me the following error: Yeah, the package sets on releng4/current are never really guaranteed to be entirely functional since they mirror the 5-current and 4-stable package sets and those are often in a state of flux. This is probably more of an error for Satoshi. :) I also don't believe that the KDE2 packages exist yet. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 23 18:10:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3C337B719; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id f2O2Afh36581; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:10:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 21:10:41 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: KDE desktop install broken from releng4.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20010323172528N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > > I installed the 20010323 snapshot from relen4.freebsd.org today, and on > > doing the X desktop configuration, selected KDE as the preferred desktop. > > Sysinstall chugged for a bit, and then gave me the following error: > > Yeah, the package sets on releng4/current are never really guaranteed to > be entirely functional since they mirror the 5-current and 4-stable > package sets and those are often in a state of flux. This is probably > more of an error for Satoshi. :) I also don't believe that the KDE2 > packages exist yet. Hmm. Makes it awfully hard to do QA when the entire GUI is in a state of flux such that during prerelease-season, you can't even install most of the available desktop interfaces :-). The only one that seemed to work was fvwm, which (to be brutally honest) doesn't meet most expectations for a graphical user interface these days. Generally speaking, I've been attempting to test this and prior releases by doing a base install in various permutations, and then installing a small set of "key" packages, which include: - cvsup - KDE, GNOME - Netscape - Apache (plain vanilla, and also modssl) - PostgreSQL Probably at least OpenOffice should be added, as I guess we can't (?) ship StarOffice on the CD. If it's getting functional now, I should add Mozilla. However, right now, at least KDE and GNOME are broken, which is a bad start. I'd like to add the JDK also, but I guess that similarly has restricted redistribution. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 23 18:39:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.osd.bsdi.com (winston.osd.bsdi.com [204.216.27.229]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2B137B71A; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:39:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) Received: from localhost (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.osd.bsdi.com (8.11.3/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f2O2d7003687; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:39:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@osd.bsdi.com) To: rwatson@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, steve@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: KDE desktop install broken from releng4.freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: <20010323172528N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.94.1 on Emacs 20.7 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20010323183907W.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:39:07 -0800 From: Jordan Hubbard X-Dispatcher: imput version 20000228(IM140) Lines: 11 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Hmm. Makes it awfully hard to do QA when the entire GUI is in a state of > flux such that during prerelease-season, you can't even install most of > the available desktop interfaces :-). The only one that seemed to work Well, that's why I'm going to be making the RC images available as ISOs with a more carefully hand-pruned list of packages from Steve. :) Speaking of which, how's it going with that Steve? Do we have enough for a "disc1" ISO come Monday's RC? Thanks. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Mar 23 18:59:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hub.lovett.com (hub.lovett.com [216.60.121.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822F337B718 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 18:59:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from ade by hub.lovett.com with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 14geHM-000LB1-00 for freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:59:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 20:59:48 -0600 From: Ade Lovett To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: GNOME RC package install problems? Message-ID: <20010323205948.X75834@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The esteemed Mr.Watson just mentioned on irc that in addition to his KDE woes, GNOME also did not install correctly owing to a dependency malfunction. Sitting behind a paltry 128K ISDN (which, given that it's supplied by SBC is about as useful as a Trailblazer) downloading RC ISO's is a bit of a pain for me. So, if anyone can confirm or deny that the problem exists, please let me know and I'll fix it. Thanks, -aDe -- Ade Lovett, Austin, TX. ade@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Mar 24 17:21:30 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.clickarray.com (clickwall.clickarray.com [216.132.92.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA21937B71D; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) Received: from vader.clickarray.com (nattedaddress.clickarray.com [10.2.1.199]) by mail.clickarray.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A91095EF01; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:28:17 -0800 (PST) Received: (from asami@localhost) by vader.clickarray.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id f2P1LSa11550; Sat, 24 Mar 2001 17:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from asami@cs.berkeley.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: vader.clickarray.com: asami set sender to asami@cs.berkeley.edu using -f To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: rwatson@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org, jkh@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: KDE desktop install broken from releng4.freebsd.org References: <20010323172528N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> From: asami@FreeBSD.org (Satoshi - Ports Wraith - Asami) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.13.7 - "Awazu") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:21:28 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20010323172528N.jkh@osd.bsdi.com> (Jordan Hubbard's message of "Fri, 23 Mar 2001 17:25:28 -0800") Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: T-gnus/6.14.5 (based on Gnus v5.8.7) (revision 06) SEMI/1.13.7 (Awazu) FLIM/1.13.2 (Kasanui) Emacs/20.7 (i386--freebsd) MULE/4.0 =?ISO-2022-JP?B?KBskQjJWMWMbKEIp?= Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG * From: Jordan Hubbard * Yeah, the package sets on releng4/current are never really guaranteed * to be entirely functional since they mirror the 5-current and 4-stable * package sets and those are often in a state of flux. This is probably * more of an error for Satoshi. :) I also don't believe that the KDE2 * packages exist yet. Yes, KDE2 was not building for a while. Will (hopefully) fixed this earlier today, and a fresh build is about to start, so we'll see how it goes. Satoshi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message