From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 3: 1:51 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.tecdigital.net (tecdigital.tol.itesm.mx [132.254.97.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A49C37B41B for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 03:01:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from gandalf (unknown [148.243.246.254]) by mail.tecdigital.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FFA81D34 for ; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 05:01:23 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <00bd01c18ba1$2cfb5970$0a00a8c0@gandalf> From: "Mario Doria" To: Subject: Fw: kern/33085: Samba's NMBD cannot find alias interface Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 05:01:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Here's my PR report. What I have found is this: I have installed samba 2.2.2 from the ports collection in FreeBSD. It dumps core whenever someone tries to use the nmbd server. I can connect OK if I do smbclient //10.25.165.3 -U user but not by doing smbclient //server -U user Here's the relevant part of the samba logfile: [2001/12/21 14:23:20, 2] lib/interface.c:add_interface(85) added interface ip=127.0.0.1 bcast=127.255.255.255 nmask=255.0.0.0 [2001/12/21 14:23:20, 2] lib/interface.c:interpret_interface(134) can't determine netmask for 10.25.165.3 It seems to have problems with my network card, so here's my ifconfig output: fxp0: flags=8802 mtu 1500 ether 00:b0:d0:aa:82:cf media: Ethernet autoselect (none) status: no carrier fxp1: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 10.25.165.1 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 10.25.165.255 inet 10.25.165.2 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.25.165.2 inet 10.25.165.3 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 10.25.165.3 ether 00:02:b3:1b:49:71 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX) status: active xl0: flags=8802 mtu 1500 options=3 ether 00:01:02:ed:26:dc media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX) status: active lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 I think it's related to some changes in freebsd, because the smb.conf file hasn't been changed. I tried recompiling samba with the latest freebsd version, but still the error remains. After doing some tests, I believet's not a samba problem. It broke on december 14, at 20:00:00 UTC. The files that were changed between december 14 @ 19:00:00 and december 14 @ 20:00:00 where: (I don't know how these work in the system, what I know is that if I use sources from december 14 @ 19:00:00, samba's nmbd will work fine. Afterwards its all funny. The following files where the ones changing between those two hours): Edit src/sys/dev/bge/if_bge.c Edit src/sys/dev/gx/if_gx.c Edit src/sys/dev/lge/if_lge.c Edit src/sys/dev/nge/if_nge.c Edit src/sys/dev/txp/if_txp.c Edit src/sys/kern/kern_descrip.c Edit src/sys/kern/kern_event.c Edit src/sys/net/if.c Edit src/sys/net/if.h Edit src/sys/net/if_ethersubr.c Edit src/sys/net/if_var.h Edit src/sys/netinet/in.c Edit src/sys/netinet/in.h Edit src/sys/netinet/tcp_syncache.c Edit src/sys/pci/if_ti.c Edit src/sys/pci/if_xl.c Edit src/sys/sys/event.h Edit src/sys/sys/sockio.h Edit src/sys/vm/vm_zone.c I found this out because I made a complete make world/kernel on the day it broke, and found it broke between 19:00 and 20:00. The files listed above where the ones which changed. If I build world/kernel using sources with date = 2001.12.14.19.00.00, nmbd will work fine. Using sources with date = 2001.12.14.20.00.00, nmbd will stop working. I rebuilt after making world/kernel on each attempt. > Thank you very much for your problem report. > It has the internal identification `kern/33085'. > The individual assigned to look at your > report is: freebsd-bugs. > > You can access the state of your problem report at any time > via this link: > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=33085 > > >Category: kern > >Responsible: freebsd-bugs > >Synopsis: Samba's NMBD cannot find alias interface > >Arrival-Date: Sat Dec 22 01:10:00 PST 2001 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 5: 3:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (freebsddiary.org.ua [213.186.199.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA5737B405; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 05:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBND3P308804; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:03:25 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from never) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:03:19 +0200 From: Nevermind To: Murray Stokely Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing Message-ID: <20011223150319.A8493@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20011221163036.G1015@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011221163036.G1015@windriver.com>; from murray@FreeBSD.ORG on Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 04:30:37PM -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello, Murray Stokely! On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 04:30:37PM -0800, you wrote: > There were some problems with the network performance of FreeBSD 4.4 > that were never discovered during the release candidates phase, so I'd > like to take a more pro-active role in getting users to test the > system in more demanding environments. > > A complete list of changes is available in the 4.5-PRERELEASE > release notes, available at : > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ Could you, please, include in Relnotes that Java will be included in 4.5? > > In particular, a number of NFS and VM bug fixes have been committed > to -STABLE in the past week. A number of significant bug-fixes and > enhancements have recently been made to our networking stack as well. > More than anything, we just need more users to run 4.5-PRERELEASE and > the upcoming release candidates and report any performance or > stability problems. Please help us make FreeBSD 4.5 our best > performing release ever! -- NEVE-RIPE To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 7:46:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A3937B417; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 07:46:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from grosbein.pp.ru (localhost.dialonly.kemerovo.su [127.0.0.1]) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.4) with ESMTP id fBNFits00829; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:44:55 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.pp.ru) Message-ID: <3C25FBF7.649BDFC3@grosbein.pp.ru> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 22:44:55 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [ru] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: qa@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.5-PRERELEASE fails to unmount root while shutdown Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! Sometimes (not always) my system fails to unmount root partition while going down, it gives up with '... 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1'. The next time it boots it complains about dirty filesystems and fsck performs its test (it always succeedes). There are no semi-dead processes (state E). Machine is pretty idle. I used this hardware with FreeBSD from the age of 3.2-RELEASE keeping it STABLE with cvsup. Never had this problem. It has appered somewhere between 4.4-RELEASE (unaffected) and 4.5-PRERELEASE (still affected). I'm sorry I do not know how can I debug this. I have DDB in kernel but not sure it is useful in this situation. It's my home machine so I would be happy to help debugging this. Here is some information about my system: # mount /dev/ad0s3a on / (ufs, local) /dev/ad0s3f on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s3e on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates) /dev/ad0s1 on /dos/c (msdos, local, noatime) /dev/ad0s5 on /dos/d (msdos, local, noatime) /dev/ad0s6 on /dos/e (msdos, local, noatime, noexec) procfs on /proc (procfs, local) kernfs on /kern (kernfs, local) fdesc on (fdesc) #uname -a FreeBSD D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su 4.5-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE #1: Sat Dec 22 16:07:23 KRAT 2001 root@D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DADV i386 Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 10:53:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F5E337B416; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 10:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fBNIrND19921; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:53:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:53:23 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Nevermind Cc: Murray Stokely , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-Reply-To: <20011223150319.A8493@nevermind.kiev.ua> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Nevermind wrote: > Hello, Murray Stokely! > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 04:30:37PM -0800, you wrote: > > > There were some problems with the network performance of FreeBSD 4.4 > > that were never discovered during the release candidates phase, so I'd > > like to take a more pro-active role in getting users to test the > > system in more demanding environments. > > > > A complete list of changes is available in the 4.5-PRERELEASE > > release notes, available at : > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ > > Could you, please, include in Relnotes that Java will be included in > 4.5? I have't seen that support actually appear in ports/packages-land as yet, but I greatly look forward to that happening. It would probably be appropriate to wait until the details have been committed before documenting it. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 14:15:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from interim.haloflightleader.net (adsl-63-197-56-193.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.197.56.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D305B37B405; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from enterprise ([192.168.1.254]) by interim.haloflightleader.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBNMFlX02285; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:15:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@haloflightleader.net) Message-ID: <017001c18bff$08a2e8a0$0101a8c0@haloflightleader.net> From: "Peter Ong" To: "Robert Watson" , "Nevermind" Cc: "Murray Stokely" , , , References: Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:13:19 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I apologize if I'm off. But it seems you guys are talking about improving FBSD 4.5 networking performance. I am currently using FreeBSD 4.4 Release. It works great, but there is that one problem Samba. I like Samba because it's functional. I don't know if it's Samba's fault, or if it's BSD's fault, but it behaves very erratically. Sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's slow. When I used RH7.1, I installed Samba there as well. Samba worked fine, but also with the same behavior. But it was somewhat more reliable on RH than FreeBSD. I don't know if it's Samba itself or the OS, although I'm inclined to say it is Samba. If so, disregard this message. When I used RH/Samba, I put all of my MP3 music there. I'd listen to it on Winamp from my Win98 laptop. It worked fine... no skips. But when I put it on FreeBSD, the first minute or so is skip free, but as it passes that time limit it starts skipping... I mean, it blanks out as if it's readying the cache faster than it's being transfered over the network. My network is 10/100Mbits switched. The difference is now only the operating system. The box is a P3/450/128MB. It had RH, then it moved to FreeBSD. Now, I'm having that problem. Videos are even worse. I have some *.mov, and Real movie files, that I must first download, and then I watch. I can't watch it over the wire. This is just my two cents. Maybe 5 cents. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Watson" To: "Nevermind" Cc: "Murray Stokely" ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:53 AM Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > > On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Nevermind wrote: > > > Hello, Murray Stokely! > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 04:30:37PM -0800, you wrote: > > > > > There were some problems with the network performance of FreeBSD 4.4 > > > that were never discovered during the release candidates phase, so I'd > > > like to take a more pro-active role in getting users to test the > > > system in more demanding environments. > > > > > > A complete list of changes is available in the 4.5-PRERELEASE > > > release notes, available at : > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ > > > > Could you, please, include in Relnotes that Java will be included in > > 4.5? > > I have't seen that support actually appear in ports/packages-land as yet, > but I greatly look forward to that happening. It would probably be > appropriate to wait until the details have been committed before > documenting it. > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 14:19:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DC3D37B416; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fBNMIqD21544; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:18:52 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:18:52 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Peter Ong Cc: Nevermind , Murray Stokely , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-Reply-To: <017001c18bff$08a2e8a0$0101a8c0@haloflightleader.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The theory goes that there are a number of TCP improvements, in particular a bugfix involving the newreno algorithm, that should address this specific problem. Once our first release candidate comes out, we'd really appreciate it if you had the chance to test and see if that fixes the problem. It should be out around Jan 5, 2002. If it doesn't, please post to freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org ASAP. (an upgrade on the -STABLE branch should also fix it). Thanks! Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Peter Ong wrote: > I apologize if I'm off. But it seems you guys are talking about improving > FBSD 4.5 networking performance. > > I am currently using FreeBSD 4.4 Release. It works great, but there is that > one problem Samba. I like Samba because it's functional. I don't know if > it's Samba's fault, or if it's BSD's fault, but it behaves very erratically. > Sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's slow. > > When I used RH7.1, I installed Samba there as well. Samba worked fine, but > also with the same behavior. But it was somewhat more reliable on RH than > FreeBSD. I don't know if it's Samba itself or the OS, although I'm inclined > to say it is Samba. If so, disregard this message. > > When I used RH/Samba, I put all of my MP3 music there. I'd listen to it on > Winamp from my Win98 laptop. It worked fine... no skips. But when I put > it on FreeBSD, the first minute or so is skip free, but as it passes that > time limit it starts skipping... I mean, it blanks out as if it's readying > the cache faster than it's being transfered over the network. My network is > 10/100Mbits switched. > > The difference is now only the operating system. The box is a P3/450/128MB. > It had RH, then it moved to FreeBSD. Now, I'm having that problem. Videos > are even worse. I have some *.mov, and Real movie files, that I must first > download, and then I watch. I can't watch it over the wire. > > This is just my two cents. Maybe 5 cents. Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Watson" > To: "Nevermind" > Cc: "Murray Stokely" ; ; > ; > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Nevermind wrote: > > > > > Hello, Murray Stokely! > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 04:30:37PM -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > There were some problems with the network performance of FreeBSD 4.4 > > > > that were never discovered during the release candidates phase, so I'd > > > > like to take a more pro-active role in getting users to test the > > > > system in more demanding environments. > > > > > > > > A complete list of changes is available in the 4.5-PRERELEASE > > > > release notes, available at : > > > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ > > > > > > Could you, please, include in Relnotes that Java will be included in > > > 4.5? > > > > I have't seen that support actually appear in ports/packages-land as yet, > > but I greatly look forward to that happening. It would probably be > > appropriate to wait until the details have been committed before > > documenting it. > > > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 14:41:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B8237B405; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:41:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fBNMf4D21683; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:41:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:41:04 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: re@FreeBSD.org Subject: floppy building again, snapshots should start soon Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've trimmed some stuff from the install floppy (SYSVSHM, SYSVSEM, P1003_1B, if_txp) and I can now complete a make release. This suggests that the snap-building machines may also now be able to complete make release, although we can only wait and see to be sure. I have not yet tested the ISO I just built, but hope to soon. Any feedback would be appreciated. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 14:49:54 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts13.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C3B37B41F; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:49:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.189.35]) by tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011223224943.VXKL14868.tomts13-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:49:43 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B180D1B5C; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D23BC20ACD; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:49:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:49:34 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Cc: jkh@freebsd.org Subject: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc Message-ID: <20011223224933.GF34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ah40dssYA/cDqAW1" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --Ah40dssYA/cDqAW1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hi. A recent commit to -current was done to re-enable the use of sysctl kern.disks by sorting its output in libdisk. This might break sysinstall as it is why the disabling was done in the first place. I have mildly tested sysinstall with the -stable patches, and it seems to order the disks properly. I haven't tested an install or real-life partitioning. Those wanting to do so need to apply the attached patch and rebuild libdisk + sysinstall: # cd /usr/src/lib/libdisk # patch < patch # make clean all install # cd /usr/src/release/sysinstall # make clean all install # /stand/sysinstall Since I am not aware of what precisely the original bugs were, I cannot fully test this. Also, I won't be available to test this in the following few days. I will be back on the 27th and might take my mail sporadically in between. I will stay for a few days and leave again until the 2nd, so I will be available for real testing only then. Thanks for your attention, A. --Ah40dssYA/cDqAW1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwmX3wACgkQttcWHAnWiGfiDACggshSUBmeFwohh9wfhTprO3MI YgwAmQGVfZ5hXeQKNnVpYB3GY+ThyCUC =alwC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Ah40dssYA/cDqAW1-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 14:52:36 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts9.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.53]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6557237B41A; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 14:52:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.189.35]) by tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011223225228.EOAU3274.tomts9-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:52:28 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED5A1B24; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:52:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9CA7920ACD; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:52:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 17:52:20 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Cc: jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc Message-ID: <20011223225220.GG34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> References: <20011223224933.GF34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bPrm2PuLP7ysUh6c" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20011223224933.GF34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --bPrm2PuLP7ysUh6c Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Mit9XoPEfICDqq/V" Content-Disposition: inline --Mit9XoPEfICDqq/V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I forgot to attach. The patch should apply cleanly on stable. A. --Mit9XoPEfICDqq/V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=patch1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Index: Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libdisk/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.27.2.5 diff -u -r1.27.2.5 Makefile --- Makefile 18 Sep 2001 06:47:30 -0000 1.27.2.5 +++ Makefile 22 Dec 2001 23:58:22 -0000 @@ -6,7 +6,7 @@ INCS=3D libdisk.h =20 # Remove KERN_DISKS_BROKEN when kern.disks sysctl returns disks in sorted = order -CFLAGS+=3D -Wall -DKERN_DISKS_BROKEN +CFLAGS+=3D -Wall .if ${MACHINE} =3D=3D "pc98" CFLAGS+=3D -DPC98 .endif Index: disk.c =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/lib/libdisk/disk.c,v retrieving revision 1.50.2.14 diff -u -r1.50.2.14 disk.c --- disk.c 18 Sep 2001 06:47:30 -0000 1.50.2.14 +++ disk.c 23 Dec 2001 00:43:01 -0000 @@ -483,10 +483,18 @@ static char * device_list[] =3D {"aacd", "ad", "da", "afd", "fla", "idad",= "mlxd", "amrd", "twed", "ar", "fd", 0}; #endif =20 +int qstrcmp(const void* a, const void* b) { + + char *str1 =3D *(char**)a; + char *str2 =3D *(char**)b; + return strcmp(str1, str2); + +} + char ** Disk_Names() { - int i,j,k; + int i,j,disk_cnt; char disk[25]; char diskname[25]; struct stat st; @@ -506,14 +514,16 @@ error =3D sysctlbyname("kern.disks", disklist, &listsize, NULL, 0); if (error)=20 return NULL; - k =3D 0; - for (dp =3D disks; ((*dp =3D strsep(&disklist, " ")) !=3D NULL) && k = < MAX_NO_DISKS; k++, dp++); - return disks; - } + disk_cnt =3D 0; + for (dp =3D disks; ((*dp =3D strsep(&disklist, " ")) !=3D NULL) &&=20 + disk_cnt < MAX_NO_DISKS; disk_cnt++, dp++); + } else { warn("kern.disks sysctl not available"); #endif - k =3D 0; + disk_cnt =3D 0; for (j =3D 0; device_list[j]; j++) { + if(disk_cnt >=3D MAX_NO_DISKS) + break; for (i =3D 0; i < MAX_NO_DISKS; i++) { sprintf(diskname, "%s%d", device_list[j], i); sprintf(disk, _PATH_DEV"%s", diskname); @@ -529,12 +539,17 @@ continue; } close(fd); - disks[k++] =3D strdup(diskname); - if(k =3D=3D MAX_NO_DISKS) - return disks; + disks[disk_cnt++] =3D strdup(diskname); + if(disk_cnt >=3D MAX_NO_DISKS) + break; } } - return disks; +#if !defined(PC98) && !defined(KERN_DISKS_BROKEN) + } +#endif + qsort(disks, disk_cnt, sizeof(char*), qstrcmp); + =20 + return disks; } =20 #ifdef PC98 --Mit9XoPEfICDqq/V-- --bPrm2PuLP7ysUh6c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwmYCMACgkQttcWHAnWiGddTgCfbl6RkxNatFk8rT085Ha8f3l0 qnwAn0vV+3x3Tq8cDGvpMmX7nO5peTFR =JchB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bPrm2PuLP7ysUh6c-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 15:25:57 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156437B416; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fBNNPmD22001; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:25:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:25:48 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: The Anarcat Cc: re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc In-Reply-To: <20011223224933.GF34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jordan, Can you clarify a couple of things for me? (1) What exactly broke in sysinstall due to not having the names sorted? Was it just a slight visual glitch, or were there fairly material problems? (2) What are the downsides to not merging this feature: do we lose the ability to do something that we might otherwise have? Do things look better? (3) What are the risks? What can possibly go wrong? (sysinstall might multiply list devices, might not list some devices, might offer devices inappropriate to install on, ... I'm cerainly not opposed to this type of change, but if there are observable risks with no real payoff, I'm not sure it's worth those risks. If there's little risk, and lots of payoff, then that is different, of course :-). Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, The Anarcat wrote: > Hi. > > A recent commit to -current was done to re-enable the use of sysctl > kern.disks by sorting its output in libdisk. > > This might break sysinstall as it is why the disabling was done in the > first place. > > I have mildly tested sysinstall with the -stable patches, and it seems > to order the disks properly. I haven't tested an install or real-life > partitioning. > > Those wanting to do so need to apply the attached patch and rebuild > libdisk + sysinstall: > > # cd /usr/src/lib/libdisk > # patch < patch > # make clean all install > # cd /usr/src/release/sysinstall > # make clean all install > # /stand/sysinstall > > Since I am not aware of what precisely the original bugs were, I cannot > fully test this. > > Also, I won't be available to test this in the following few days. I > will be back on the 27th and might take my mail sporadically in between. > I will stay for a few days and leave again until the 2nd, so I will be > available for real testing only then. > > Thanks for your attention, > > A. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 15:42:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731DE37B405; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 15:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from khan.anarcat.dyndns.org ([65.94.189.35]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with ESMTP id <20011223234233.NTJA24174.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@khan.anarcat.dyndns.org>; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:42:33 -0500 Received: from shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (shall.anarcat.dyndns.org [192.168.0.1]) by khan.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F751B74; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:42:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by shall.anarcat.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3D29020ACD; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:42:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:42:21 -0500 From: The Anarcat To: Robert Watson Cc: re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc Message-ID: <20011223234221.GI34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> References: <20011223224933.GF34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7gLe/sNPhR777EPF" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --7gLe/sNPhR777EPF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun Dec 23, 2001 at 06:25:48PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > Jordan, >=20 > Can you clarify a couple of things for me? >=20 > (2) What are the downsides to not merging this feature: do we lose the > ability to do something that we might otherwise have? Do things look > better? Just to make things clear, this fix should affect sysinstall whatsoever and is not designed *for* sysinstall. It's for libh or other apps which run in user-mode. A. --7gLe/sNPhR777EPF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjwma9sACgkQttcWHAnWiGfZIwCfYurYeA12RKPwiFKzmRfvq8dc XfIAnj2BEMmEY62rlsM+6Ped5Xll2K9l =Aa6W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7gLe/sNPhR777EPF-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Dec 23 23:48:31 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9167337B419; Sun, 23 Dec 2001 23:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBO7kRl83280; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:46:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: The Anarcat Cc: Robert Watson , re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:42:21 EST." <20011223234221.GI34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 08:46:27 +0100 Message-ID: <83278.1009179987@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <20011223234221.GI34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org>, The Anarcat write s: > >--7gLe/sNPhR777EPF >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >On Sun Dec 23, 2001 at 06:25:48PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: >> Jordan, >>=20 >> Can you clarify a couple of things for me? >>=20 >> (2) What are the downsides to not merging this feature: do we lose the >> ability to do something that we might otherwise have? Do things look >> better? > >Just to make things clear, this fix should affect sysinstall whatsoever >and is not designed *for* sysinstall. It's for libh or other apps which >run in user-mode. It affects the order in which disks are displayed in sysinstall as well. It has no other effects on sysinstall. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Dec 24 9:40:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0998F37B41A; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 09:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fBOHeWD29802; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:40:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 12:40:32 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: re@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: floppy building again, snapshots should start soon In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Looks like fresh snaps are now available via releng4.freebsd.org as of Dec 24, for those interested. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Robert Watson wrote: > > I've trimmed some stuff from the install floppy (SYSVSHM, SYSVSEM, > P1003_1B, if_txp) and I can now complete a make release. This suggests > that the snap-building machines may also now be able to complete make > release, although we can only wait and see to be sure. I have not yet > tested the ISO I just built, but hope to soon. Any feedback would be > appreciated. > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Dec 24 11:22:38 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E22E37B41A; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 11:22:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fBOJMTD30617; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:22:29 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 14:22:28 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: The Anarcat Cc: re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc In-Reply-To: <20011223225220.GG34708@shall.anarcat.dyndns.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Feel free to go ahead and MFC this change once you've successfully installed a fresh RELENG_4 system using a sysinstall with the new libdisk code and confirmed that all is well. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, The Anarcat wrote: [NON-Text Body part not included] To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Mon Dec 24 19: 4:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from winston.freebsd.org (adsl-64-173-15-98.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.15.98]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7866C37B419; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:04:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from winston.freebsd.org (jkh@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by winston.freebsd.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBP33qG40170; Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:03:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jkh@winston.freebsd.org) To: Robert Watson Cc: The Anarcat , re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc In-Reply-To: Message from Robert Watson of "Sun, 23 Dec 2001 18:25:48 EST." Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:03:52 -0800 Message-ID: <40166.1009249432@winston.freebsd.org> From: Jordan Hubbard Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG 1. Nothing "broke", it simply confused the users significantly that "da0" used to be the very first item in the disk selection menu and then suddenly got shuffled to a different location in that menu, rendering their muscle memory for that menu obsolete. 2. The downsides are mostly that the code in libdisk doesn't get to benefit from a cleaner way of getting disk info (the sysctl). 3. The risks I can see is that the menu goes back to exhibiting the funky behavior of before, but that's probably unlikely. - Jordan > Jordan, > > Can you clarify a couple of things for me? > > (1) What exactly broke in sysinstall due to not having the names sorted? > Was it just a slight visual glitch, or were there fairly material > problems? > > (2) What are the downsides to not merging this feature: do we lose the > ability to do something that we might otherwise have? Do things look > better? > > (3) What are the risks? What can possibly go wrong? (sysinstall might > multiply list devices, might not list some devices, might offer > devices inappropriate to install on, ... > > I'm cerainly not opposed to this type of change, but if there are > observable risks with no real payoff, I'm not sure it's worth those risks. > If there's little risk, and lots of payoff, then that is different, of > course :-). > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > > On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, The Anarcat wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > A recent commit to -current was done to re-enable the use of sysctl > > kern.disks by sorting its output in libdisk. > > > > This might break sysinstall as it is why the disabling was done in the > > first place. > > > > I have mildly tested sysinstall with the -stable patches, and it seems > > to order the disks properly. I haven't tested an install or real-life > > partitioning. > > > > Those wanting to do so need to apply the attached patch and rebuild > > libdisk + sysinstall: > > > > # cd /usr/src/lib/libdisk > > # patch < patch > > # make clean all install > > # cd /usr/src/release/sysinstall > > # make clean all install > > # /stand/sysinstall > > > > Since I am not aware of what precisely the original bugs were, I cannot > > fully test this. > > > > Also, I won't be available to test this in the following few days. I > > will be back on the 27th and might take my mail sporadically in between. > > I will stay for a few days and leave again until the 2nd, so I will be > > available for real testing only then. > > > > Thanks for your attention, > > > > A. > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Dec 25 1:18:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60A9D37B416; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 01:18:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBP9Gbl05072; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:16:43 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: Robert Watson , The Anarcat , re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org Subject: Re: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 24 Dec 2001 19:03:52 PST." <40166.1009249432@winston.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:16:37 +0100 Message-ID: <5070.1009271797@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message <40166.1009249432@winston.freebsd.org>, Jordan Hubbard writes: >1. Nothing "broke", it simply confused the users significantly > that "da0" used to be the very first item in the disk selection > menu and then suddenly got shuffled to a different location in > that menu, rendering their muscle memory for that menu obsolete. > >2. The downsides are mostly that the code in libdisk doesn't get > to benefit from a cleaner way of getting disk info (the sysctl). > >3. The risks I can see is that the menu goes back to exhibiting the > funky behavior of before, but that's probably unlikely. I committed code to libdisk to sort the disks into alphabetical order, that should do the trick. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Dec 25 6:28: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6634737B405; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 06:27:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from keefer (dqfmhm@dhcp065-024-128-140.columbus.rr.com [65.24.128.140]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBPENFg07969; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:23:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001801c18d50$581425a0$3602a8c0@columbus.rr.com> From: "Keith J" To: "Peter Ong" , "Robert Watson" , "Nevermind" Cc: "Murray Stokely" , , , References: <017001c18bff$08a2e8a0$0101a8c0@haloflightleader.net> Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 09:27:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hmmmm.... I have never had this problem at all, and keep all my mp3's and vids on the samba server. The box I play Mp3's on is behind a switch and a hub. My Samba box is an old 166Mhz with 65M of memory to compensate a bit for its less than blinding speed processor. The box is gets fairly busy as well with firewalling (OMG!), X11, and Apache / MRTG on a cable modem (call me crazy!). Another possibility is you do not have a Samba problem, but a network problem with auto-negotiate. Some older 10/100 cards and switch combinations step all over each other. You should lock down one end to a specific speed and if 100Mbs, try full duplex. Another thing to consider... if you are running 100, make sure its Cat5 cable and not a left over hunk of Cat3 confusing the card into negotiation. The only other thing I recall having problems was using tcpwrappers trying to fire multiple copies of the dameons, but that resulted in complete lack of response and many messages about too many copies running. I did notice, and the doc's point this out, you need to make a choice between login's and plain ole shares. When I tried to do both, it was extremely erractic. Since I wanted some disk space privacy, I opted for login's with links from my user space to a common area with the Mp3's to emulate a share. The only "problem" with login's it is separate file that is not automatically synched with passwd changes and becomes a two step process. The only other possible difference is I do not run printers via Samba, and instead let netbios figure it out. Good luck... hope this helps... someone, somewhere, someday Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Ong" To: "Robert Watson" ; "Nevermind" Cc: "Murray Stokely" ; ; ; Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 5:13 PM Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > I apologize if I'm off. But it seems you guys are talking about improving > FBSD 4.5 networking performance. > > I am currently using FreeBSD 4.4 Release. It works great, but there is that > one problem Samba. I like Samba because it's functional. I don't know if > it's Samba's fault, or if it's BSD's fault, but it behaves very erratically. > Sometimes it's fast, sometimes it's slow. > > When I used RH7.1, I installed Samba there as well. Samba worked fine, but > also with the same behavior. But it was somewhat more reliable on RH than > FreeBSD. I don't know if it's Samba itself or the OS, although I'm inclined > to say it is Samba. If so, disregard this message. > > When I used RH/Samba, I put all of my MP3 music there. I'd listen to it on > Winamp from my Win98 laptop. It worked fine... no skips. But when I put > it on FreeBSD, the first minute or so is skip free, but as it passes that > time limit it starts skipping... I mean, it blanks out as if it's readying > the cache faster than it's being transfered over the network. My network is > 10/100Mbits switched. > > The difference is now only the operating system. The box is a P3/450/128MB. > It had RH, then it moved to FreeBSD. Now, I'm having that problem. Videos > are even worse. I have some *.mov, and Real movie files, that I must first > download, and then I watch. I can't watch it over the wire. > > This is just my two cents. Maybe 5 cents. Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Watson" > To: "Nevermind" > Cc: "Murray Stokely" ; ; > ; > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2001 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > > > > > > On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, Nevermind wrote: > > > > > Hello, Murray Stokely! > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2001 at 04:30:37PM -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > > There were some problems with the network performance of FreeBSD 4.4 > > > > that were never discovered during the release candidates phase, so I'd > > > > like to take a more pro-active role in getting users to test the > > > > system in more demanding environments. > > > > > > > > A complete list of changes is available in the 4.5-PRERELEASE > > > > release notes, available at : > > > > > > > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/ > > > > > > Could you, please, include in Relnotes that Java will be included in > > > 4.5? > > > > I have't seen that support actually appear in ports/packages-land as yet, > > but I greatly look forward to that happening. It would probably be > > appropriate to wait until the details have been committed before > > documenting it. > > > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Dec 25 10:50:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4480437B41A; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:50:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 16Iweu-000GlJ-00; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:50:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:50:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: Keith J Cc: Peter Ong , Robert Watson , Nevermind , Murray Stokely , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-Reply-To: <001801c18d50$581425a0$3602a8c0@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Keith J wrote: ... > Another possibility is you do not have a Samba problem, but a network > problem with auto-negotiate. Some older 10/100 cards and switch combinations > step all over each other. You should lock down one end to a specific speed ... That is bad advice. Auto-negotiation is not auto-detect. If you disable auto-negotiate at one end and specify manual settings, you must disable it on the other end too, and specify the SAME manual settings. Either use auto-negotiate everywhere, or use manual everywhere. I would recommend using auto everywhere. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Dec 25 10:59:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2344337B405 for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 10:59:49 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21687 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 18:59:46 -0000 Received: from dclient217-162-128-224.hispeed.ch (HELO athlon550) (217.162.128.224) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 18:59:46 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:00:51 +0100 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/19) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <109183078502.20011225200051@buz.ch> To: Murray Stokely Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-Reply-To: <20011221163036.G1015@windriver.com> References: <20011221163036.G1015@windriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Murray, 22 Dec 2001, 01:30:37, you wrote: > the upcoming release candidates and report any performance or > stability problems. Please help us make FreeBSD 4.5 our best > performing release ever! CVSup of RELENG_4 today built and installed perfectly on all machines we tried: Machine 1 is a K6-2 500 on Asus Super Socket 7 board with both Intel and Realtek lancards. Machine 2 is a K6-2 500 on some noname board with onboard Realtek lan and Via Rhine based add on card. Machine 3 is a Celeron 1 Ghz on Intel815 with both onchip LAN (ICH2, IIRC) and Realtek card as well as Highpoint 370 IDE RAID running in RAID 1 mode with two IBM IC35L040. HTH and merry Christmas to everyone! Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQEVAwUBPCi+2MZa2WpymlDxAQHuMQf/YDnnrr/G8LW147wuxdfrbc4+DIcEMSVg 0rCccQjSSQ8mi+csiwCBYRsgSNqXmAwfTUMVFYeubPfd9R3eaAJy4OYmGqUEI72i aOXICgVIk33rJdJDu1FBcKxGbMagUDnnEGVTIGyekXNdwcxbTOxirThovQSTM8tD M8ZNowlvpOYF3/g7Fzw7ZnHhPGgyKMpXIY6wH665+lhOfW6NIn1eG5gxdonx9+yx r5U1AEm4mZdq3aWFIkXiYgwRPvejpagetMooDjIUduXcHkuTBf8hkFuYR+CDjd/s bJkoVOMeoHGZbM5FUPw27eYsnBFEZNpVmQ8zAHwHjVhwm3DL44hPlg== =VtnP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Dec 25 11: 6:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 085AC37B41A for ; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:06:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21871 invoked from network); 25 Dec 2001 19:06:50 -0000 Received: from dclient217-162-128-224.hispeed.ch (HELO athlon550) (217.162.128.224) by 0 with SMTP; 25 Dec 2001 19:06:50 -0000 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:07:55 +0100 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/19) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6183502672.20011225200755@buz.ch> To: Tom Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Tom, 25 Dec 2001, 19:50:40, you wrote: >> Another possibility is you do not have a Samba problem, but a >> network problem with auto-negotiate. Some older 10/100 cards and >> switch combinations step all over each other. You should lock down >> one end to a specific speed > That is bad advice. Auto-negotiation is not auto-detect. If you > disable auto-negotiate at one end and specify manual settings, you > must disable it on the other end too, and specify the SAME manual > settings. Either use auto-negotiate everywhere, or use manual > everywhere. I would recommend using auto everywhere. That doesn't reflect my experiences with Realtek 8139 Chipsets. The chipset is pretty much broken (but cheap, so you see it VERY often) and it doesn't really do the auto-detection of network speeds (often, it will work with some 200byte/s) but if you lock it to 100mbit, it works flawlessly with all other chipsets I got (among others, Intel (both cards and onboard ICH2), Via Rhine and some very old Dec ones) on a cheap noname 100mbit switch. Best regards, Gabriel ÎÆt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQEVAwUBPCjAgsZa2WpymlDxAQGUAggAygVjVf1pEhO1J165px34wb/FRxfJIMri //frZa5PcoVuTWWvFvZtBk4StTvOdjeXoxqqI2Z1KCBvC6/unzCjYk/2qFCQcXRn hXCOilh3Y96DZazYIO+XnzZSrRFKaKNDPIzccbvqrrtRrbJxgjx4DARam3y4mzq+ Zg06MaKyu6WWskALO6znp9+DBuoFCXTK1Gm0ucPt4n9kazDOw+mI27DTNbmNfbgo uwWMTVvdf8BzvfzdmMhnLOKpcuEJu95WxSYg8oUlDQ5jf1opcBh4mPE+Y2XrrDXG vBOqA8F8ErAnozB4XeuYxJ8tAKWyC4NxdN3c3Io8+4VapPDucebfmg== =uvJC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Dec 25 11:16:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C572D37B419; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:16:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 16Ix45-000JA2-00; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:16:41 -0800 Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 11:16:40 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-Reply-To: <6183502672.20011225200755@buz.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hello Tom, > > 25 Dec 2001, 19:50:40, you wrote: > > >> Another possibility is you do not have a Samba problem, but a > >> network problem with auto-negotiate. Some older 10/100 cards and > >> switch combinations step all over each other. You should lock down > >> one end to a specific speed > > That is bad advice. Auto-negotiation is not auto-detect. If you > > disable auto-negotiate at one end and specify manual settings, you > > must disable it on the other end too, and specify the SAME manual > > settings. Either use auto-negotiate everywhere, or use manual > > everywhere. I would recommend using auto everywhere. > > That doesn't reflect my experiences with Realtek 8139 Chipsets. The > chipset is pretty much broken (but cheap, so you see it VERY often) > and it doesn't really do the auto-detection of network speeds (often, > it will work with some 200byte/s) but if you lock it to 100mbit, it > works flawlessly with all other chipsets I got (among others, Intel > (both cards and onboard ICH2), Via Rhine and some very old Dec ones) > on a cheap noname 100mbit switch. Beware, Auto-negotiation isn't auto-detection. Speeds can be autodetected, but the duplex can't be auto-detected and must be auto-negotiated. The single biggest problem with switched networks is the incorrect assumption that auto-detect and augo-negotiate are the same thing. They are not. As far as the Realtek 8139 goes, the time spent on bad network cards isn't worth it, especially on a corporate network. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Dec 25 20: 2:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8529237B41A; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:02:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20011226040225.JWUW19716.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 04:02:25 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBQ42Ov04978; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:02:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200112260402.fBQ42Ov04978@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Robert Watson Cc: Nevermind , Murray Stokely , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Robert Watson message dated "Sun, 23 Dec 2001 13:53:23 -0500." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:02:24 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Robert Watson wrote: > > Could you, please, include in Relnotes that Java will be included in > > 4.5? > > I have't seen that support actually appear in ports/packages-land as yet, > but I greatly look forward to that happening. It would probably be > appropriate to wait until the details have been committed before > documenting it. You're quite right. When it gets committed, in whatever form, I'll put a blurb in the release notes, but not before then, because I don't have enough details to write anything useful. Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Dec 25 20:30:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AE1E37B416; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 20:30:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id fBQ4UdD42089; Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:30:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:30:38 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: Jordan Hubbard Cc: The Anarcat , re@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org, jkh@freebsd.org, phk@freebsd.org Subject: Re: regression tests for possible sysctl kern.disks/libdisk changes/mfc In-Reply-To: <40166.1009249432@winston.freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sounds good to me. I just wanted to make sure there were no more serious failure modes possible and/or likely, since I wasn't sure of the entire rationale for the original change. I've already issued an MFC approval for this change, and hopefully it will be included in the first snapshot in a week or two. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Mon, 24 Dec 2001, Jordan Hubbard wrote: > 1. Nothing "broke", it simply confused the users significantly > that "da0" used to be the very first item in the disk selection > menu and then suddenly got shuffled to a different location in > that menu, rendering their muscle memory for that menu obsolete. > > 2. The downsides are mostly that the code in libdisk doesn't get > to benefit from a cleaner way of getting disk info (the sysctl). > > 3. The risks I can see is that the menu goes back to exhibiting the > funky behavior of before, but that's probably unlikely. > > - Jordan > > > > Jordan, > > > > Can you clarify a couple of things for me? > > > > (1) What exactly broke in sysinstall due to not having the names sorted? > > Was it just a slight visual glitch, or were there fairly material > > problems? > > > > (2) What are the downsides to not merging this feature: do we lose the > > ability to do something that we might otherwise have? Do things look > > better? > > > > (3) What are the risks? What can possibly go wrong? (sysinstall might > > multiply list devices, might not list some devices, might offer > > devices inappropriate to install on, ... > > > > I'm cerainly not opposed to this type of change, but if there are > > observable risks with no real payoff, I'm not sure it's worth those risks. > > If there's little risk, and lots of payoff, then that is different, of > > course :-). > > > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > > > > On Sun, 23 Dec 2001, The Anarcat wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > A recent commit to -current was done to re-enable the use of sysctl > > > kern.disks by sorting its output in libdisk. > > > > > > This might break sysinstall as it is why the disabling was done in the > > > first place. > > > > > > I have mildly tested sysinstall with the -stable patches, and it seems > > > to order the disks properly. I haven't tested an install or real-life > > > partitioning. > > > > > > Those wanting to do so need to apply the attached patch and rebuild > > > libdisk + sysinstall: > > > > > > # cd /usr/src/lib/libdisk > > > # patch < patch > > > # make clean all install > > > # cd /usr/src/release/sysinstall > > > # make clean all install > > > # /stand/sysinstall > > > > > > Since I am not aware of what precisely the original bugs were, I cannot > > > fully test this. > > > > > > Also, I won't be available to test this in the following few days. I > > > will be back on the 27th and might take my mail sporadically in between. > > > I will stay for a few days and leave again until the 2nd, so I will be > > > available for real testing only then. > > > > > > Thanks for your attention, > > > > > > A. > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Dec 26 0:46:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A11737B419; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 00:46:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from keefer (xabufw@dhcp065-024-128-140.columbus.rr.com [65.24.128.140]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id fBQ8fdg00257; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:41:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001301c18de9$c7ed5240$3602a8c0@columbus.rr.com> From: "Keith J" To: "Tom" Cc: "Peter Ong" , "Robert Watson" , "Nevermind" , "Murray Stokely" , , , References: Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 03:46:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Well gee Tom.... if one end doesn't respond to negotiation... are you saying the smart end will force a speed or duplex that can't possibly work? Lets say I have an old 10Mbs ONLY card... are you declaring that it gets toasted by auto-negotiate every single time? It is well known that a major issue existed with some NIC's and switches a few years back because the initial standards were not explicit enough. Some in the industry took the directives to mean one thing, and others to be different enough that "auto" was not reliable. Given that many FreeBSD users collect hardware from a few years past, I applied this reasoning as a possible culprit. I also mentioned several others, but you saw fit to remove them... evidently to make your point about "todays state" of hardware. If you want to call something "bad advice" please be specific as to the aspects and why that is so... I find people that edit responses and then hold court while passing judgement with blanket and terse responses to be rather tiresome and out of character with the ideal of a free exchange of knowledge. Bottom line, I have yet to see an expensive smart switch or inexpensive switch insist on a 10/100 mode that could not be supported when one end was "locked down". If this is not the case for you, please enlighten us all with your "personal" real world experience. On the other hand, if this is an issue with the semantics of auto-detect vs auto-negotiate... well, I can't help it if industry can't be consistent in their documentation. Perhaps I am going over the presumption line here... but I don't think most home users here are people running trunking using dot1q or Cisco isl to get their Mp3's... and for the record... even if one "auto-detects" something as simple as 10/100 it still must "negotiate" the balance of parameters, given that human intervention is not required... hence it is defacto "automatic", and thus my characterization as "auto-negotiate". As far as trunking goes... auto-negotiate trunking doesn't necessarily tell one what it finally settled on, or that it even settled on something.... and is a whole other thread entirely. It is always better to be parameter specific, and to that extent I do agree with you - if one can explicitly lock down both ends so much the better, but not all inexpensive switches can.... and my experience has told me it isn't necessary. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: "Keith J" Cc: "Peter Ong" ; "Robert Watson" ; "Nevermind" ; "Murray Stokely" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Keith J wrote: > > ... > > Another possibility is you do not have a Samba problem, but a network > > problem with auto-negotiate. Some older 10/100 cards and switch combinations > > step all over each other. You should lock down one end to a specific speed > ... > > That is bad advice. Auto-negotiation is not auto-detect. If you > disable auto-negotiate at one end and specify manual settings, you must > disable it on the other end too, and specify the SAME manual settings. > Either use auto-negotiate everywhere, or use manual everywhere. I would > recommend using auto everywhere. > > Tom > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Dec 26 1:46: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from gscamnlm03.wr.usgs.gov (gscamnlm03.wr.usgs.gov [130.118.4.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874BC37B41C; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:45:47 -0800 (PST) To: "Keith J" Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, "Murray Stokely" , "Nevermind" , owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Peter Ong" , "Robert Watson" , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, "Tom" Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.8 June 18, 2001 Message-ID: From: "Robert L Sowders" Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:45:41 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on gscamnlm03/SERVER/USGS/DOI(Release 5.0.8 |June 18, 2001) at 12/26/2001 01:45:46 AM, Serialize complete at 12/26/2001 01:45:46 AM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_alternative 0035A0E788256B2E_=" Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This is a multipart message in MIME format. --=_alternative 0035A0E788256B2E_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" auto is not reliable ( at least for the fxp driver ). It always succeeds when I force full duplex though. "Keith J" Sent by: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG 12/26/2001 12:46 AM To: "Tom" cc: "Peter Ong" , "Robert Watson" , "Nevermind" , "Murray Stokely" , , , Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing Well gee Tom.... if one end doesn't respond to negotiation... are you saying the smart end will force a speed or duplex that can't possibly work? Lets say I have an old 10Mbs ONLY card... are you declaring that it gets toasted by auto-negotiate every single time? It is well known that a major issue existed with some NIC's and switches a few years back because the initial standards were not explicit enough. Some in the industry took the directives to mean one thing, and others to be different enough that "auto" was not reliable. Given that many FreeBSD users collect hardware from a few years past, I applied this reasoning as a possible culprit. I also mentioned several others, but you saw fit to remove them... evidently to make your point about "todays state" of hardware. If you want to call something "bad advice" please be specific as to the aspects and why that is so... I find people that edit responses and then hold court while passing judgement with blanket and terse responses to be rather tiresome and out of character with the ideal of a free exchange of knowledge. Bottom line, I have yet to see an expensive smart switch or inexpensive switch insist on a 10/100 mode that could not be supported when one end was "locked down". If this is not the case for you, please enlighten us all with your "personal" real world experience. On the other hand, if this is an issue with the semantics of auto-detect vs auto-negotiate... well, I can't help it if industry can't be consistent in their documentation. Perhaps I am going over the presumption line here... but I don't think most home users here are people running trunking using dot1q or Cisco isl to get their Mp3's... and for the record... even if one "auto-detects" something as simple as 10/100 it still must "negotiate" the balance of parameters, given that human intervention is not required... hence it is defacto "automatic", and thus my characterization as "auto-negotiate". As far as trunking goes... auto-negotiate trunking doesn't necessarily tell one what it finally settled on, or that it even settled on something.... and is a whole other thread entirely. It is always better to be parameter specific, and to that extent I do agree with you - if one can explicitly lock down both ends so much the better, but not all inexpensive switches can.... and my experience has told me it isn't necessary. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: "Keith J" Cc: "Peter Ong" ; "Robert Watson" ; "Nevermind" ; "Murray Stokely" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Keith J wrote: > > ... > > Another possibility is you do not have a Samba problem, but a network > > problem with auto-negotiate. Some older 10/100 cards and switch combinations > > step all over each other. You should lock down one end to a specific speed > ... > > That is bad advice. Auto-negotiation is not auto-detect. If you > disable auto-negotiate at one end and specify manual settings, you must > disable it on the other end too, and specify the SAME manual settings. > Either use auto-negotiate everywhere, or use manual everywhere. I would > recommend using auto everywhere. > > Tom > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message --=_alternative 0035A0E788256B2E_= Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
auto is not reliable ( at least for the fxp driver ).  It always succeeds when I force full duplex though.


"Keith J" <kjohnso8@columbus.rr.com>
Sent by: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG

12/26/2001 12:46 AM

       
        To:        "Tom" <tom@uniserve.com>
        cc:        "Peter Ong" <peter@haloflightleader.net>, "Robert Watson" <rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>, "Nevermind" <never@nevermind.kiev.ua>, "Murray Stokely" <murray@FreeBSD.ORG>, <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>, <freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG>, <bmah@FreeBSD.ORG>
        Subject:        Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing


Well gee Tom.... if one end doesn't respond to negotiation... are you saying
the smart end will force a speed or duplex that can't possibly work? Lets
say I have an old 10Mbs ONLY card... are you declaring that it gets toasted
by auto-negotiate every single time?

It is well known that a major issue existed with some NIC's and switches a
few years back because the initial standards were not explicit enough. Some
in the industry took the directives to mean one thing, and others to be
different enough that "auto" was not reliable. Given that many FreeBSD users
collect hardware from a few years past, I applied this reasoning as a
possible culprit. I also mentioned several others, but you saw fit to remove
them... evidently to make your point about "todays state" of hardware.

If you want to call something "bad advice" please be specific as to the
aspects and why that is so... I find people that edit responses and then
hold court while passing judgement with blanket and terse responses to be
rather tiresome and out of character with the ideal of a free exchange of
knowledge. Bottom line, I have yet to see an expensive smart switch or
inexpensive switch insist on a 10/100 mode that could not be supported when
one end was "locked down". If this is not the case for you, please enlighten
us all with your "personal" real world experience.

On the other hand, if this is an issue with the semantics of auto-detect vs
auto-negotiate... well, I can't help it if industry can't be consistent in
their documentation. Perhaps I am going over the presumption line here...
but I don't think most home users here are people running trunking using
dot1q or Cisco isl to get their Mp3's... and for the record... even if one
"auto-detects" something as simple as 10/100 it still must "negotiate" the
balance of parameters, given that human intervention is not required...
hence it is defacto "automatic", and thus my characterization as
"auto-negotiate".

As far as trunking goes... auto-negotiate trunking doesn't necessarily tell
one what it finally settled on, or that it even settled on something.... and
is a whole other thread entirely.

It is always better to be parameter specific, and to that extent I do agree
with you - if one can explicitly lock down both ends so much the better, but
not all inexpensive switches can.... and my experience has told me it isn't
necessary.

Keith

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom" <tom@uniserve.com>
To: "Keith J" <kjohnso8@columbus.rr.com>
Cc: "Peter Ong" <peter@haloflightleader.net>; "Robert Watson"
<rwatson@FreeBSD.ORG>; "Nevermind" <never@nevermind.kiev.ua>; "Murray
Stokely" <murray@FreeBSD.ORG>; <stable@FreeBSD.ORG>;
<freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG>; <bmah@FreeBSD.ORG>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing


>
> On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Keith J wrote:
>
> ...
> > Another possibility is you do not have a Samba problem, but a network
> > problem with auto-negotiate. Some older 10/100 cards and switch
combinations
> > step all over each other. You should lock down one end to a specific
speed
> ...
>
>   That is bad advice.  Auto-negotiation is not auto-detect.  If you
> disable auto-negotiate at one end and specify manual settings, you must
> disable it on the other end too, and specify the SAME manual settings.
> Either use auto-negotiate everywhere, or use manual everywhere.  I would
> recommend using auto everywhere.
>
> Tom
>
>
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--=_alternative 0035A0E788256B2E_=-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Dec 26 9:26:46 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61BE37B405; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 16JHp6-000OE0-00; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:26:36 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: Keith J Cc: Peter Ong , Robert Watson , Nevermind , Murray Stokely , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-Reply-To: <001301c18de9$c7ed5240$3602a8c0@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Keith J wrote: > Well gee Tom.... if one end doesn't respond to negotiation... are you saying > the smart end will force a speed or duplex that can't possibly work? Lets > say I have an old 10Mbs ONLY card... are you declaring that it gets toasted > by auto-negotiate every single time? ... If the 10Mbps card is set to manual full-duplex, and the switch is set to auto-negotiate, the switch will set itself to half, creating a duplex mismatch problem (and about 1 to 7% packet loss). Both ends must be set to auto-negotiate, or both ends must be set to manual. That is the way it works. Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Dec 26 9:33:28 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail2.uniserve.com (mail2.uniserve.com [204.244.156.10]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A46537B423; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:33:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.uniserve.com ([204.244.156.10]) by mail2.uniserve.com with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #1) id 16JHvY-000Olu-00; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:33:16 -0800 Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:33:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tom X-Sender: tom@athena.uniserve.ca To: Robert L Sowders Cc: Keith J , bmah@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, Murray Stokely , Nevermind , owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Peter Ong , Robert Watson , stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, Robert L Sowders wrote: > auto is not reliable ( at least for the fxp driver ). It always succeeds > when I force full duplex though. I've never been able to get the auto on the fxp driver to fail. In fact, in the early days of the fxp driver, autonegotiate was the only way to get the driver to do 100/full as the the media type options weren't part of ifconfig yet. However, it is important for both ends to be set for auto-negotiate. If you specify a manual setting on one end, you've disabled auto-negotiate, and it will not work. I've tested auto-negotiate on the fxp driver with the following switches: Cisco Catalyst 3524XL Cisco Catalyst 2924XL Cisco Catalyst 550x Cisco Catalyst 600x Riverstone RS-8x00 Riverstone RS-3000 Netgear FS-308 Tom To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Dec 26 9:56:29 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from haloflightleader.net (adsl-63-197-56-193.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.197.56.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9AB037B417; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:56:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ongppla (hogan-and-hartson-llp.Washington.cw.net [208.173.12.150]) by haloflightleader.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBQHuE906113; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@haloflightleader.net) Message-ID: <007201c18e36$45a05c40$245b1486@hhlaw.com> From: "Peter/Los Angeles, CA" To: "Tom" , "Keith J" Cc: "Robert Watson" , "Nevermind" , "Murray Stokely" , , , References: Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 09:53:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I've actually solved the problem. It was due to the client being full, and no space to write cache/swap. But I've since fixed that, and there was no problem on the backend to begin with. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: "Keith J" Cc: "Peter Ong" ; "Robert Watson" ; "Nevermind" ; "Murray Stokely" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2001 10:50 AM Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > > On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Keith J wrote: > > ... > > Another possibility is you do not have a Samba problem, but a network > > problem with auto-negotiate. Some older 10/100 cards and switch combinations > > step all over each other. You should lock down one end to a specific speed > ... > > That is bad advice. Auto-negotiation is not auto-detect. If you > disable auto-negotiate at one end and specify manual settings, you must > disable it on the other end too, and specify the SAME manual settings. > Either use auto-negotiate everywhere, or use manual everywhere. I would > recommend using auto everywhere. > > Tom > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Dec 26 16:23: 3 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from web10104.mail.yahoo.com (web10104.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.54]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 626B837B43A for ; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:22:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <20011227002248.40200.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [65.88.96.239] by web10104.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:22:48 PST Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:22:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Hanley Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing To: Keith J Cc: Tom , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <001301c18de9$c7ed5240$3602a8c0@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --- Keith J wrote: > Well gee Tom.... if one end doesn't respond to negotiation... are you > saying the smart end will force a speed or duplex that can't possibly > work? Lets say I have an old 10Mbs ONLY card... are you declaring > that it gets toasted by auto-negotiate every single time? OK, this is boring. Debating opinions is occasionally useful, but facts are facts and flamage won't change them. Please let Cisco have the last word on this topic: http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/46.html Per the IEEE 802.3u specification, it not possible to manually configure one link partner for 100 Mbps full-duplex and still autonegotiate to full-duplex with the other link partner. Attempting to configure one link partner for 100 Mbps full-duplex and the other link partner for auto-negotiation will result in a duplex mismatch. This is a result of one link partner auto-negotiating and not seeing any auto-negotiation parameters from the other link partner and defaulting to half-duplex. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Dec 26 16:28:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from haloflightleader.net (adsl-63-197-56-193.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.197.56.193]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07FF37B416; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:28:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ongppla (hogan-and-hartson-llp.Washington.cw.net [208.173.12.150]) by haloflightleader.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id fBR0Sa906798; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:28:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@haloflightleader.net) Message-ID: <01cf01c18e6d$59b81420$245b1486@hhlaw.com> From: "Peter/Los Angeles, CA" To: "John Hanley" , "Keith J" Cc: "Tom" , , References: <20011227002248.40200.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 16:27:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG No!!! We must continue the revolution!!! Welcome to the revolution!!! AAAAHHH!!! Auto-neg/Auto-sense should be the only subject in this list for the next 10 years until we resolve this issue. Continue the fight laddies!!! Arrgggh!!! Fight for your right to auto-negotiate. Peter PS Was just kidding. I started this thread, but it was just about a Samba problem that didn't even have anything to do with layer 2 devices. Anyway, like I've posted before, the problem was solved, and the culprits were on the application layer, not the data link. No animals were harmed in the creation of this email. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hanley" To: "Keith J" Cc: "Tom" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:22 PM Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > --- Keith J wrote: > > Well gee Tom.... if one end doesn't respond to negotiation... are you > > saying the smart end will force a speed or duplex that can't possibly > > work? Lets say I have an old 10Mbs ONLY card... are you declaring > > that it gets toasted by auto-negotiate every single time? > > OK, this is boring. Debating opinions is occasionally useful, > but facts are facts and flamage won't change them. Please let > Cisco have the last word on this topic: > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/46.html > > Per the IEEE 802.3u specification, it not possible to manually > configure one link partner for 100 Mbps full-duplex and still > autonegotiate to full-duplex with the other link partner. > Attempting to configure one link partner for 100 Mbps full-duplex > and the other link partner for auto-negotiation will result in a > duplex mismatch. This is a result of one link partner auto-negotiating > and not seeing any auto-negotiation parameters from the other link > partner and defaulting to half-duplex. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Dec 26 21: 1:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1F237B416; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from user-33qsdcu.dialup.mindspring.com ([199.174.53.158] helo=hole2) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16JSf1-0002a4-00; Wed, 26 Dec 2001 21:00:56 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c18e93$ef95e780$0100a8c0@hole2> From: "Doug Welch" To: "Peter/Los Angeles, CA" , "John Hanley" , "Keith J" Cc: "Tom" , , References: <20011227002248.40200.qmail@web10104.mail.yahoo.com> <01cf01c18e6d$59b81420$245b1486@hhlaw.com> Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2001 23:04:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Sorry to intrude but these are the results of real transfers using : auto and auto, then auto and manual ftp> mget fasttimesatridgemont.avi local: fasttimesatridgemont.avi remote: fasttimesatridgemont.avi 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'fasttimesatridgemont.avi' (682295296 bytes). 100% |*************************************************************************** *******************************| 650 MB 00:00 ETA 226 Transfer complete. 682295296 bytes received in 126.71 seconds (5.14 MB/s) $ ifconfig dc0 dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 inet 192.168.0.25 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 inet6 fe80::220:78ff:fe07:9b15%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 ether 00:20:78:07:9b:15 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active ########### Above NIC located on freeBSD 4.5 release workstation $ ifconfig dc0 dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX full-duplex) status: active inet 192.168.0.15 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 inet6 fe80::220:78ff:fe03:85e8%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 inet 192.168.0.15 255.255.255.0 NONE media autoselect <------------- set to auto *********** Above NIC located on OpenBSD 3.0 current server Then on the server side of things.... I edited hostname.dc0 and changed the entry to: inet 192.168.0.27 255.255.255.0 NONE media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex <------------set to manual now Then saved the changes and rebooted. I did this instead of just changing on the fly for safety sake and a clean test. $ ifconfig dc0 dc0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 media: Ethernet 100baseTX full-duplex <-----no auto here anymore status: active inet 192.168.0.15 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 inet6 fe80::220:78ff:fe03:85e8%dc0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1 ********** Above is after reboot I verified /etc/hostname.dc0 was still reflecting my change.. ftp> prompt Interactive mode off. ftp> mget fasttimesatridgemont.avi local: fasttimesatridgemont.avi remote: fasttimesatridgemont.avi 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for 'fasttimesatridgemont.avi' (682295296 bytes). 100% |*************************************************************************** *******************************| 650 MB 00:00 ETA 226 Transfer complete. 682295296 bytes received in 125.96 seconds (5.17 MB/s) So... 682295296 bytes received in 126.71 seconds (5.14 MB/s) << this was both nics set to auto 682295296 bytes received in 125.96 seconds (5.17 MB/s) << this was after manual change of server nic ?????? After two years as a Adm on a broadband network I leaned not to trust any vendor docs without testing first. Sorry again, But I am glad Peter's initial issue was solved . Right or wrong I see no diff here except manual was a fraction faster. If I am wrong and I am quite frequently or I have miss understood this auto issue sorry for the spam... -dw ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter/Los Angeles, CA" To: "John Hanley" ; "Keith J" Cc: "Tom" ; ; Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 6:27 PM Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > No!!! We must continue the revolution!!! Welcome to the revolution!!! > AAAAHHH!!! Auto-neg/Auto-sense should be the only subject in this list for > the next 10 years until we resolve this issue. > > Continue the fight laddies!!! Arrgggh!!! Fight for your right to > auto-negotiate. > > > Peter > > PS > Was just kidding. I started this thread, but it was just about a Samba > problem that didn't even have anything to do with layer 2 devices. Anyway, > like I've posted before, the problem was solved, and the culprits were on > the application layer, not the data link. No animals were harmed in the > creation of this email. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Hanley" > To: "Keith J" > Cc: "Tom" ; ; > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 4:22 PM > Subject: Re: 4.5 PRERELEASE - Call for testing > > > > --- Keith J wrote: > > > Well gee Tom.... if one end doesn't respond to negotiation... are you > > > saying the smart end will force a speed or duplex that can't possibly > > > work? Lets say I have an old 10Mbs ONLY card... are you declaring > > > that it gets toasted by auto-negotiate every single time? > > > > OK, this is boring. Debating opinions is occasionally useful, > > but facts are facts and flamage won't change them. Please let > > Cisco have the last word on this topic: > > > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/46.html > > > > Per the IEEE 802.3u specification, it not possible to manually > > configure one link partner for 100 Mbps full-duplex and still > > autonegotiate to full-duplex with the other link partner. > > Attempting to configure one link partner for 100 Mbps full-duplex > > and the other link partner for auto-negotiation will result in a > > duplex mismatch. This is a result of one link partner auto-negotiating > > and not seeing any auto-negotiation parameters from the other link > > partner and defaulting to half-duplex. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 7:43:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90DFD37B422; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 07:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBS2mRS00254; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:48:28 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:48:27 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein To: qa@freebsd.org Cc: stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 Message-ID: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! I'm testing my new hard drive IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 40 Gb with 4.5-PRESELEASE copying 700M movie file from SONY CD-RW CRX140E. My motherboard is Iwill BD100Plus 440BX (ATA 33). ad2: 39266MB [79780/16/63] at ata1-master tagged UDMA33 acd1: CD-RW at ata1-slave using UDMA33 I mount CD-RW (iso9660 filesystem) and copy file using Midnight Commander. In the middle of copying I get these messages written to console: ad2: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ad2: invalidating queued requests ata1: resetting devices .. ad2: invalidating queued requests done ad2: no request for this tag=0?? ad2: invalidating queued requests ad2: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ad2: invalidating queued requests ata1: resetting devices .. ad2: invalidating queued requests done ad2: no request for this tag=0?? ad2: invalidating queued requests ad2: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ad2: invalidating queued requests ata1: resetting devices .. ad2: invalidating queued requests done ad2: no request for this tag=0?? ad2: invalidating queued requests ad2: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting ad2: invalidating queued requests ad2: trying fallback to PIO mode ata1: resetting devices .. ad2: invalidating queued requests After fallback to PIO mode system spends 88% of my Celeron-450 for iterrupts. One question: need this be fixed, and if so, how? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 8:52:25 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from shark.amis.net (shark.amis.net [212.18.32.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD4C37B420; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:52:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from baracuda.amis.net (baracuda.amis.net [212.18.32.4]) by shark.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35CA67C86; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:18:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baracuda.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC0D39B04; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:18:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.42.5]) by baracuda.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374049B05; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:17:57 +0100 (CET) Received: by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2472655411; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:17:38 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A7055404; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:17:38 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:17:38 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan X-X-Sender: To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: , Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-Reply-To: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru> Message-ID: <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > I'm testing my new hard drive IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 40 Gb > with 4.5-PRESELEASE copying 700M movie file from > SONY CD-RW CRX140E. My motherboard is Iwill BD100Plus 440BX (ATA 33). I'm using exactly the same drive on a Intel Winnipeg (Pentium 4) motherboard, without any problems whatsoever: atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 ad0: 39266MB [79780/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 9:17:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB03237B41A; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:17:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBSHFYX00624; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:15:34 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:15:34 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein To: Blaz Zupan Cc: qa@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 Message-ID: <20011229001534.A402@grosbein.pp.ru> References: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru> <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si>; from blaz@si.FreeBSD.org on Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 05:17:38PM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 05:17:38PM +0100, Blaz Zupan wrote: > > I'm testing my new hard drive IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 40 Gb > > with 4.5-PRESELEASE copying 700M movie file from > > SONY CD-RW CRX140E. My motherboard is Iwill BD100Plus 440BX (ATA 33). > I'm using exactly the same drive on a Intel Winnipeg (Pentium 4) motherboard, > without any problems whatsoever: > atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > ad0: 39266MB [79780/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 Well, my system has different controller: atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 Works fine during 2.5 years with my old ad0: 6149MB [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 9:29:48 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3856A37B41E for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 90914 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 17:29:40 -0000 Received: from dclient217-162-128-224.hispeed.ch (HELO athlon550) (217.162.128.224) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 17:29:40 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:30:45 +0100 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/19) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8915880985.20011228183045@buz.ch> To: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Blaz Zupan Cc: Eugene Grosbein , qa@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-Reply-To: <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> References: <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Blaz, 28 Dec 2001, 17:17:38, you wrote: >> I'm testing my new hard drive IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 40 Gb >> with 4.5-PRESELEASE copying 700M movie file from >> SONY CD-RW CRX140E. My motherboard is Iwill BD100Plus 440BX (ATA >> 33). > I'm using exactly the same drive on a Intel Winnipeg (Pentium 4) > motherboard, without any problems whatsoever: > atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at > device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > ad0: 39266MB [79780/16/63] at ata0-master > UDMA100 I'm using lots and lots of IBM IC35L040 (and some IC35L60) on Intel, Highpoint, Via and SiS IDE chipsets without any problems (well, despite the trouble with the Highpoint IDE RAID but that's probably not related to the drives) on FreeBSD 4.3, 4.4 (both REL and STABLE) and 4.5 PRE. BUT I get the above error messages when I shut down one of the HDs in a Highpoint RAID1 array so are you sure that your cabling is ok? Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQEVAwUBPCyeOsZa2WpymlDxAQGewAf/Z3GW8y68dggQ3dJLhyI2EBB+MRfG6s23 JL2p1HOmoqPVaLzDf91hgafyBxCctg7ZTqg/sdabSNR/JHxbDjIgagPRJbiop5gd izewXHpUWW0hO3abz5XyJnmsEtW7O7XWOCYtpwqYBhUCCRern6BX6EFu5S1U2Rl0 bgCv8F2vsgZ1CYgKFqbBHSJHxv27fl90o5ZzesclIX5Ufo6F8Hg6lsrNpADlx6PN 6ehVeMujhRgEfEFPCMxGuPqy3lc8m8ExmnR5YDl9ugUahmXf7xYr6eX/6eCOGpHk SF5hX4/svs1Sf00JzIeUNIF9axJC2I/S+ff544S4cI6AtWjfnl+ZMg== =wzPf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 9:31: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A6F837B421 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 91094 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 17:30:59 -0000 Received: from dclient217-162-128-224.hispeed.ch (HELO athlon550) (217.162.128.224) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 17:30:59 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 18:32:08 +0100 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/19) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18315964155.20011228183208@buz.ch> To: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Eugene Grosbein Cc: Blaz Zupan , qa@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-Reply-To: <20011229001534.A402@grosbein.pp.ru> References: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru> <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> <20011229001534.A402@grosbein.pp.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Eugene, 28 Dec 2001, 18:15:34, you wrote: > Well, my system has different controller: > atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at > device 7.1 on pci0 > Works fine during 2.5 years with my old > ad0: 6149MB [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 Do you think this could be related to some size limit in your IDE controller? Or a broken disk? Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQEVAwUBPCyeicZa2WpymlDxAQH6egf/fe7zipFowoBCWqQZhD1PfEa0elMEGCFY trZ141HfzTA0g5Ie+aIfV8wkYZIosyacXBCnYFfUK3LCcp8M7wtwfmWu8MmjrxTa A7tkZfRci8yNl8afFJJWjxK6GZxbdCLf2RgPFxu5NJ7cVu0HHs9DuuP3N/uar2Qc 8n4zFIdOufDsT9Je0todCo3ekTULDHNjMGYPYEuGVxwSe9CR+dcsxtLpafth8M17 y2BlUPDxyfC8OCS7U1huOVbqHsdjigaKSsYEmnntyJSUqGgolYGszAshszHHxHdA mOJwxbcjTe11CuxlowwERIHcrCyIR4kbtzTUZfWFxLWrNHBn7OTzzA== =99Z2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 10: 5:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from shark.amis.net (shark.amis.net [212.18.32.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37E037B422; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:05:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from baracuda.amis.net (baracuda.amis.net [212.18.32.4]) by shark.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF3B7D60; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:05:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baracuda.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CA39B05; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:05:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.42.5]) by baracuda.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B858F9B04; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:05:13 +0100 (CET) Received: by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8AAF055411; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:05:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 829BF55404; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:05:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:05:13 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan X-X-Sender: To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: , Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-Reply-To: <20011229001534.A402@grosbein.pp.ru> Message-ID: <20011228190438.O74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Well, my system has different controller: > atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 > > Works fine during 2.5 years with my old > ad0: 6149MB [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 You have a UDMA33-only controller, but a UDMA100-capable drive. This could be the reason for the problems. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 10:10: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E075637B43B for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:09:51 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 92637 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 18:09:51 -0000 Received: from dclient217-162-128-224.hispeed.ch (HELO athlon550) (217.162.128.224) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 18:09:51 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:10:57 +0100 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/19) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <318293514.20011228191057@buz.ch> To: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, Blaz Zupan Cc: Eugene Grosbein , qa@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re[2]: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-Reply-To: <20011228190438.O74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> References: <20011228190438.O74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Blaz, 28 Dec 2001, 19:05:13, you wrote: >> Works fine during 2.5 years with my old >> ad0: 6149MB [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > You have a UDMA33-only controller, but a UDMA100-capable drive. > This could be the reason for the problems. Should not. I have got at least two boxes with those drives on ATA33 controllers. And after all, it does boot and works for him until he starts heavy copying actions... Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQEVAwUBPCynpMZa2WpymlDxAQExeQf/Yzdq02VeXSAyMdH15Sg6yGP+fi8gtGNZ JpyQaGXPCzLrePWM2i98fymR+vV6eohh6PzsU1PwsyQ35prlY8OfIdHQj6vBHuXU HySEAqFDHTLkyZ0vz9n+8E09c/D9e36fh1oVCj4NoqnwWUOXlVGmcw+PECFQQG1q VU+RZcbbYEpksJFWiEXGfCICC6PfGEiaKlz/r4jRwrgNOwCHMQCDobv/KHUA60rA 8l8fhGNd8pVTJddCcgMPcLQFNQKuOha9P3f45JPCEEFqXP7rOrtimzYRioaXODlz di3/4VKyKhJNqRe3wHyqLupFBx7ZiPO+po4ODHLDYsnUCQk6inqm5Q== =XzmA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 10:34:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (polaris.we.lc.ehu.es [158.227.6.43]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B37337B416; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:34:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (lxpx352.lx.ehu.es [158.227.26.252]) by polaris.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBSIYEb04770; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:34:14 +0100 (MET) Received: (from jose@localhost) by v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBSIYgZ00865; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:34:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jose) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:34:42 +0100 From: "Jose M. Alcaide" To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 Message-ID: <20011228193442.A237@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> References: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru>; from eugen@grosbein.pp.ru on Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 09:48:27AM +0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 09:48:27AM +0700, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > I'm testing my new hard drive IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 40 Gb > with 4.5-PRESELEASE copying 700M movie file from > SONY CD-RW CRX140E. My motherboard is Iwill BD100Plus 440BX (ATA 33). > > ad2: 39266MB [79780/16/63] at ata1-master tagged UDMA33 > acd1: CD-RW at ata1-slave using UDMA33 > > I mount CD-RW (iso9660 filesystem) and copy file using Midnight Commander. > In the middle of copying I get these messages written to console: > > ad2: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ad2: invalidating queued requests > ata1: resetting devices .. ad2: invalidating queued requests > done Try to disable tagged queueing (delete the line `hw.ata.tags="1"' from /boot/loader.conf). -- ****** Jose M. Alcaide // jose@we.lc.ehu.es // jmas@FreeBSD.org ****** ** "Beware of Programmers who carry screwdrivers" -- Leonard Brandwein ** To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 10:41:35 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from funnel.cisco.com (funnel.cisco.com [161.44.168.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB90337B41C for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (bmcgover-pc.cisco.com [161.44.149.69]) by funnel.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA28650; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:41:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by bmcgover-pc.cisco.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBSIfKk10049; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:41:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from bmcgover@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com) Message-Id: <200112281841.fBSIfKk10049@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: Blaz Zupan , Eugene Grosbein , qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Re[2]: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:10:57 +0100." <318293514.20011228191057@buz.ch> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 13:41:20 -0500 From: "Brian J. McGovern" Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I agree. I run ATA-100 drives all the time with ATA-33 and ATA-66 controllers routinely with little difficulty. Its possible that something isn't negotiating correctly. Are you using a ATA-100 cable, or a 33/66 cable? I'm curious if the drive senses it, and thinks it should be in 100 mode, but the controller is too old to know about it, and works at 33.... In any event, I suspect this is more hardware related or a general bug that has little to do with the fact its that drive on that controller. -Brian > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hello Blaz, > > 28 Dec 2001, 19:05:13, you wrote: > > >> Works fine during 2.5 years with my old > >> ad0: 6149MB [13328/15/63] at ata0-master ATA33 > > You have a ATA33-only controller, but a ATA100-capable drive. > > This could be the reason for the problems. > > Should not. I have got at least two boxes with those drives on ATA33 > controllers. > > And after all, it does boot and works for him until he starts heavy > copying > actions... > > > Best regards, > Gabriel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 11: 7:14 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from gamma.root-servers.ch (gamma.root-servers.ch [195.49.62.126]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1383A37B427 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 95119 invoked from network); 28 Dec 2001 19:07:05 -0000 Received: from dclient217-162-128-224.hispeed.ch (HELO athlon550) (217.162.128.224) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Dec 2001 19:07:05 -0000 Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:08:13 +0100 From: Gabriel Ambuehl X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.54 Beta/19) Educational Organization: BUZ Internet Services X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15921729134.20011228200813@buz.ch> To: "Brian J. McGovern" Cc: Blaz Zupan , Eugene Grosbein , qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[4]: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-Reply-To: <200112281841.fBSIfKk10049@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> References: <200112281841.fBSIfKk10049@bmcgover-pc.cisco.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hello Brian, 28 Dec 2001, 19:41:20, you wrote: > controllers routinely with little difficulty. Its possible that > something isn't negotiating correctly. Are you using a ATA-100 > cable, or a 33/66 cable? I'm curious if the drive senses it, and > thinks it should be in 100 mode, but the controller is too old to > know about it, and works at 33.... Normally, the a UDM>33 controller would notice that you use UDMA 33 or UDM66 and act accordingly. > In any event, I suspect this is more hardware related or a general > bug that has little to do with the fact its that drive on that > controller. ACK. Sounds very much like a bad drive or cabling to me. Best regards, Gabriel -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5i iQEVAwUBPCy1FMZa2WpymlDxAQHfxAf8D5Ck54e9aznLtdvLXoeS6iJLYQ/aTMEc p1dPuEu7WmK65RZ102zxITBx738OOc/fTEPrr4zY7OGis1mkE1IHxsYNrELLzOxA 5UHpvE+CpLmkr0RMRSBzIj2KlktDm0fA6qYGKKnzE5b4l53BZ+mxWkw3lu/nJyZK YkQCrnbqQLqHZ1gks5B3HUPbM25/hfdr6sSrIT5Qfe96W12H/+NzYV+D0RJSPEDM 8Y9XYjBYScQXcrxr/eY4UyPA5/F2x1neJ7x9rfjDJytLGhiNh8kdBiVhqknIe7tM xVlTDk/+1ERKKOg8pyEFqGyXhKqDjJJRy/oTFFNbeNufMSFpaacX6g== =ufkH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 19:47:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED02C37B41F; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:47:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBT3lZe79619; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:47:36 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3C2D2EC1.7BF6BDE9@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:47:29 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: Eugene Grosbein , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> <8915880985.20011228183045@buz.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > >> I'm testing my new hard drive IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 40 Gb > >> with 4.5-PRESELEASE copying 700M movie file from > >> SONY CD-RW CRX140E. My motherboard is Iwill BD100Plus 440BX (ATA > >> 33). > > > I'm using exactly the same drive on a Intel Winnipeg (Pentium 4) > > motherboard, without any problems whatsoever: > > > atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at > > device 31.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > > ad0: 39266MB [79780/16/63] at ata0-master > > UDMA100 > > I'm using lots and lots of IBM IC35L040 (and some IC35L60) on Intel, > Highpoint, Via > and SiS IDE chipsets without any problems (well, despite the trouble > with the Highpoint IDE RAID but that's probably not related to the > drives) on FreeBSD 4.3, 4.4 (both REL and STABLE) and 4.5 PRE.> > BUT I get the above error messages when I shut down one of the HDs in > a Highpoint RAID1 array so are you sure that your cabling is ok? Well, I'll double check it. However, I'm nearly sure this 40pin cable is Ok. One more: this drive shares cable with SONY CD-RW CRX140E that works in UDMA33 mode but does not support tagged queueing, of course. Can it make some kind of interference? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 19:55:10 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3D5C37B405; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBT3sme79875; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:54:53 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3C2D3073.76F67E90@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:54:43 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gabriel Ambuehl Cc: Eugene Grosbein , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru> <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> <20011229001534.A402@grosbein.pp.ru> <18315964155.20011228183208@buz.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Gabriel Ambuehl wrote: > > Well, my system has different controller: > > atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at > > device 7.1 on pci0 > > > Works fine during 2.5 years with my old > > ad0: 6149MB [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > > Do you think this could be related to some size limit in your IDE > controller? Or a broken disk? I've checked new drive with some of disk tools by IBM, it's Ok. I've never heared about disk size limitations of IDE controllers also. New drive gets warm quickly after powerup, perhaps I need better cooling? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 19:57:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6E737B41E; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:57:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBT3v2e80093; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:57:02 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3C2D30F8.DA84A007@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 10:56:56 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blaz Zupan Cc: Eugene Grosbein , qa@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <20011228190438.O74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Blaz Zupan wrote: > > > Well, my system has different controller: > > atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 > > > > Works fine during 2.5 years with my old > > ad0: 6149MB [13328/15/63] at ata0-master UDMA33 > > You have a UDMA33-only controller, but a UDMA100-capable drive. This could be > the reason for the problems. How can this produce problems? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 20: 1:34 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E2BC37B41E; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 20:01:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBT41Ie80347; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:01:18 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3C2D31F8.3A5983C4@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:01:12 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jose M. Alcaide" Cc: Eugene Grosbein , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru> <20011228193442.A237@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > ad2: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > > ad2: invalidating queued requests > > ata1: resetting devices .. ad2: invalidating queued requests > > done > > Try to disable tagged queueing (delete the line `hw.ata.tags="1"' from > /boot/loader.conf). This is obvious solution but first I'd like to understand why it fails to work normally with tagged queueing. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 21:16:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from leviathan.inethouston.net (leviathan.inethouston.net [66.64.12.249]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B225337B427; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:16:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by leviathan.inethouston.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6A95A319A4E; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:16:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:16:33 -0600 From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: "Jose M. Alcaide" , Eugene Grosbein , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 Message-ID: <20011229051633.GA55857@leviathan.inethouston.net> Reply-To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Mail-Followup-To: Eugene Grosbein , "Jose M. Alcaide" , Eugene Grosbein , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20011228094827.A210@grosbein.pp.ru> <20011228193442.A237@v-ger.we.lc.ehu.es> <3C2D31F8.3A5983C4@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C2D31F8.3A5983C4@svzserv.kemerovo.su> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 11:01:12AM +0800, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > > ad2: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > > > ad2: invalidating queued requests > > > ata1: resetting devices .. ad2: invalidating queued requests > > > done > > > > Try to disable tagged queueing (delete the line `hw.ata.tags="1"' from > > /boot/loader.conf). > > This is obvious solution but first I'd like to understand why it > fails to work normally with tagged queueing. > Your controller may not support tags correctly. -- David W. Chapman Jr. dwcjr@inethouston.net Raintree Network Services, Inc. dwcjr@freebsd.org FreeBSD Committer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 21:17:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776D737B425; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:17:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (imp@69.imp.village.org [10.0.0.69]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fBT5Gnl23509; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:16:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 22:16:43 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20011228.221643.23285537.imp@village.org> To: eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su Cc: gabriel_ambuehl@buz.ch, eugen@grosbein.pp.ru, qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <3C2D3073.76F67E90@svzserv.kemerovo.su> References: <20011229001534.A402@grosbein.pp.ru> <18315964155.20011228183208@buz.ch> <3C2D3073.76F67E90@svzserv.kemerovo.su> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG : I've checked new drive with some of disk tools by IBM, it's Ok. : I've never heared about disk size limitations of IDE controllers also. I know that many PC-98 machines have IDE controllers that have size limitations. I have one such laptop :-(. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Fri Dec 28 23:13:50 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D539437B417; Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from svzserv.kemerovo.su (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fBT7DTe90527; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:13:29 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@svzserv.kemerovo.su) Message-ID: <3C2D5F07.C1001711@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:13:27 +0800 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Blaz Zupan Cc: Eugene Grosbein , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <20011228171623.M74865-100000@titanic.medinet.si> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Blaz Zupan wrote: > > > I'm testing my new hard drive IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 40 Gb > > with 4.5-PRESELEASE copying 700M movie file from > > SONY CD-RW CRX140E. My motherboard is Iwill BD100Plus 440BX (ATA 33). > > I'm using exactly the same drive on a Intel Winnipeg (Pentium 4) motherboard, > without any problems whatsoever: > > atapci0: port 0xffa0-0xffaf at device 31.1 on pci0 > ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 > ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 > ad0: 39266MB [79780/16/63] at ata0-master UDMA100 You do not use tags, do you? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Dec 29 0: 1:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from shark.amis.net (shark.amis.net [212.18.32.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD8D37B421; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:01:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from baracuda.amis.net (baracuda.amis.net [212.18.32.4]) by shark.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6137D23; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:01:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baracuda.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E479B0C; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:01:54 +0100 (CET) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.42.5]) by baracuda.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4D109B08; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:01:52 +0100 (CET) Received: by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1D01E55411; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:01:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 144AC55404; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:01:49 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:01:49 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan X-X-Sender: To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: , Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-Reply-To: <3C2D30F8.DA84A007@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Message-ID: <20011229085953.R81588-100000@titanic.medinet.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > > You have a UDMA33-only controller, but a UDMA100-capable drive. This could be > > the reason for the problems. > > How can this produce problems? Drive runs at UDMA100 (for whatever reason), while controller and OS negotiate UDMA33. I've not seen something like this happen with UDMA100, but I *have* seen it with a UDMA66 drive on a UDMA33 controller. I believe it was a Fujitsu UDMA66 drive where I saw this. It was some time ago, so my memory may be sketchy. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Dec 29 0:11:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from shark.amis.net (shark.amis.net [212.18.32.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B937B437; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 00:11:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from baracuda.amis.net (baracuda.amis.net [212.18.32.4]) by shark.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86317D1D; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:11:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baracuda.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04359B08; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:11:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from titanic.medinet.si (titanic.medinet.si [212.18.42.5]) by baracuda.amis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E246C9B07; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:11:09 +0100 (CET) Received: by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4B03B55411; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:11:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titanic.medinet.si (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FEF55404; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:11:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:11:07 +0100 (CET) From: Blaz Zupan X-X-Sender: To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: , Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 In-Reply-To: <3C2D5F07.C1001711@svzserv.kemerovo.su> Message-ID: <20011229091038.F81588-100000@titanic.medinet.si> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > You do not use tags, do you? The default is off I believe and I have not explicitely turned them on, so yes, I'm not using them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Dec 29 9:17: 6 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC5337B416; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 09:16:47 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.4) id fBTHFsD00506; Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:15:54 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 00:15:54 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein To: Blaz Zupan Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 Message-ID: <20011230001554.A457@grosbein.pp.ru> References: <3C2D5F07.C1001711@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20011229091038.F81588-100000@titanic.medinet.si> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20011229091038.F81588-100000@titanic.medinet.si>; from blaz@si.FreeBSD.org on Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:11:07AM +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:11:07AM +0100, Blaz Zupan wrote: > > You do not use tags, do you? > The default is off I believe and I have not explicitely turned them on, so > yes, I'm not using them. Those errors were 100% reproducible. Now I've commented out 'hw.ata.tags=1' from /boot/loader.conf and all errors have disappeared. I still wonder if it software or hardware incompatibility. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Dec 29 11:18:21 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEDD37B417; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 11:18:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from potentialtech.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBTJDIg07072; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:13:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C2E179F.9020108@potentialtech.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:21:03 -0500 From: Bill Moran Organization: Potential Technology User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: Blaz Zupan , qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <3C2D5F07.C1001711@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20011229091038.F81588-100000@titanic.medinet.si> <20011230001554.A457@grosbein.pp.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eugene Grosbein wrote: > On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:11:07AM +0100, Blaz Zupan wrote: > > >>>You do not use tags, do you? >>> >>The default is off I believe and I have not explicitely turned them on, so >>yes, I'm not using them. >> > > Those errors were 100% reproducible. > Now I've commented out 'hw.ata.tags=1' from /boot/loader.conf > and all errors have disappeared. > > I still wonder if it software or hardware incompatibility. So do I. See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=i386/29045 Nobody responded to my last post on this pr, and I have no idea where to go from here without direction. This level of technical debugging is quite beyond me at this time. But the problem still exists, it happened again earlier this week (even with the drives throttled to ata33). What kind of HDD are you using? Personally, I suspect HW problems, and I seem to recall a few months ago, someone else with IBM HDDs complaining about the same thing. Have there been any patches to the ata code that could affect this? If so, I'll update this machine and see if it continues to be a problem. -- Bill Moran Potential Technology http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Dec 29 12:59:45 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com [213.105.93.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A45D37B41A; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 12:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBTKxXF11497; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:59:33 GMT (envelope-from ianjhart@ntlworld.com) Received: from ntlworld.com (alpha.private.net [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with ESMTP id fBTKxL411490 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO); Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:59:24 GMT (envelope-from ianjhart@ntlworld.com) Message-ID: <3C2E2EA9.5FADADC@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 20:59:21 +0000 From: ian j hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran Cc: Eugene Grosbein , Blaz Zupan , qa@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <3C2D5F07.C1001711@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20011229091038.F81588-100000@titanic.medinet.si> <20011230001554.A457@grosbein.pp.ru> <3C2E179F.9020108@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Filter-Version: 1.7 (pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Moran wrote: > > Eugene Grosbein wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2001 at 09:11:07AM +0100, Blaz Zupan wrote: > > > > > >>>You do not use tags, do you? > >>> > >>The default is off I believe and I have not explicitely turned them on, so > >>yes, I'm not using them. > >> > > > > Those errors were 100% reproducible. > > Now I've commented out 'hw.ata.tags=1' from /boot/loader.conf > > and all errors have disappeared. > > > > I still wonder if it software or hardware incompatibility. > > So do I. See http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=i386/29045 > Nobody responded to my last post on this pr, and I have no idea > where to go from here without direction. This level of technical > debugging is quite beyond me at this time. But the problem still > exists, it happened again earlier this week (even with the drives > throttled to ata33). What kind of HDD are you using? Personally, > I suspect HW problems, and I seem to recall a few months ago, > someone else with IBM HDDs complaining about the same thing. Have > there been any patches to the ata code that could affect this? If > so, I'll update this machine and see if it continues to be a problem. > > -- > Bill Moran > Potential Technology > http://www.potentialtech.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message From the pr 4) IBM is serious when they say the 80 conductor cable can't be longer than 18" (the one I had was a few inches longer) I reconnected the 80 conductor cable earlier today, and intentionally recreated the problem so that I could do the hex diff procedure you describe. Here's what happened: 1. Did a find | md5 like you described in previous messages 2. Started a "make world" process and then started another find | md5 running simultaneously. 3. Once I had two files full of md5 checksums, I ran a diff to find out what files had become victums of corruption. 4. I used the diff to pick files to run the hex dump on. I had original files on another server, safe from any possible corruption. The problem is: no differences were found between the two files. Put in plain english, I have two files that *should* be identical, but the md5 checksums differ, however, the hd/diff procedure above shows no differences. 1 Cable length was definately an issue for me (40 way cable, VIA ATA33 with UDMA 66 drives). I would trust IBM on this one. [stable archive 08/07/01 VIA 82C586 UDMA ICRC errors] 2 Get the latest BIOS and firmware. 3 The MD5 thing rings bells. I "ghost" Win95 clients using FreeBSD. make bootable DOS partition install FreeBSD on the remaining disk ftp the clone tarball extract to the DOS partition Due to working with old and cheap hardware I MD5 the clone and test after downloading. I had a number of systems which would not cooperate. I changed CPU, memory, HDD and network cards, all to no avail. I even wrote a script to fill the drive with large files (100Mb of 0xE5) and then MD5 them. Trying to find suspect sectors. I got the same result as you did. Different MD5s for identical files. Then I turned off UDMA with sysctl. IIRC this was a pc-chips BX pro. 4 There's a tool to set the mode of the drive. Worth a try. -- ian j hart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Dec 29 13:16:42 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com [65.24.0.112]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56F8837B41B; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:16:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from potentialtech.com (dhcp065-024-023-038.columbus.rr.com [65.24.23.38]) by clmboh1-smtp3.columbus.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id fBTLBug15694; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:11:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C2E336C.3080506@potentialtech.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 16:19:40 -0500 From: Bill Moran Organization: Potential Technology User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.3) Gecko/20010914 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ian j hart Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG, stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <3C2D5F07.C1001711@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20011229091038.F81588-100000@titanic.medinet.si> <20011230001554.A457@grosbein.pp.ru> <3C2E179F.9020108@potentialtech.com> <3C2E2EA9.5FADADC@ntlworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG ian j hart wrote: > 1 Cable length was definately an issue for me (40 way cable, VIA ATA33 > with > UDMA 66 drives). I would trust IBM on this one. > [stable archive 08/07/01 VIA 82C586 UDMA ICRC errors] I forgot to put in the last post that I reconnected the cable so that it did not exceed the length requirements. > 2 Get the latest BIOS and firmware. I'll take a look at that. > Then I turned off UDMA with sysctl. Are you referring to hw.ata.ata_dma? Can this bet set in /etc/sysctl.conf or must it be set in /boot/loader.conf? > IIRC this was a pc-chips BX pro. > > 4 There's a tool to set the mode of the drive. Worth a > try. Do you mean a tool from IBM? -- Bill Moran Potential Technology http://www.potentialtech.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Dec 29 13:49:39 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com [213.105.93.214]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED02D37B405; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fBTLnVk11677; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:49:31 GMT (envelope-from ianjhart@ntlworld.com) Received: from ntlworld.com (alpha.private.net [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated) by pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com (8.11.6/8.11.6av) with ESMTP id fBTLnK411670 (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128 bits) verified NO); Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:49:22 GMT (envelope-from ianjhart@ntlworld.com) Message-ID: <3C2E3A60.BCC5A573@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 21:49:20 +0000 From: ian j hart X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Moran Cc: qa@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.5-PRERELEASE (25 Dec) and IBM IC35L040AVER07-0 References: <3C2D5F07.C1001711@svzserv.kemerovo.su> <20011229091038.F81588-100000@titanic.medinet.si> <20011230001554.A457@grosbein.pp.ru> <3C2E179F.9020108@potentialtech.com> <3C2E2EA9.5FADADC@ntlworld.com> <3C2E336C.3080506@potentialtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Filter-Version: 1.7 (pc1-cove4-0-cust214.bir.cable.ntl.com) X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Bill Moran wrote: > > ian j hart wrote: > > 1 Cable length was definately an issue for me (40 way cable, VIA ATA33 > > with > > UDMA 66 drives). I would trust IBM on this one. > > [stable archive 08/07/01 VIA 82C586 UDMA ICRC errors] > > I forgot to put in the last post that I reconnected the cable so that it > did not exceed the length requirements. > > > 2 Get the latest BIOS and firmware. > > I'll take a look at that. > > > Then I turned off UDMA with sysctl. > > Are you referring to hw.ata.ata_dma? Can this bet set in /etc/sysctl.conf > or must it be set in /boot/loader.conf? When I did this I was using "sysctl -w hw.atamodes=pio" and putting it in /etc/rc. It looks like there's been some improvement on this see man ata. > > > IIRC this was a pc-chips BX pro. > > > > 4 There's a tool to set the mode of the drive. Worth a > > try. > > Do you mean a tool from IBM? Yes. Cannot remember the name, sorry. > > -- > Bill Moran > Potential Technology > http://www.potentialtech.com -- ian j hart To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sat Dec 29 14:35:56 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f89.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7D237B416; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:35:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:35:46 -0800 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 29 Dec 2001 22:35:46 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck T." To: qa@freebsd.org, stable@freebsd.org Subject: 4.5-prerelease (27 dec) - UDMA33 ICRC error trashed fs Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 14:35:46 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Dec 2001 22:35:46.0549 (UTC) FILETIME=[28799250:01C190B9] Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I seem to have trashed my root file system on a 4.5-prerelease system cvsup'ed on 12/27. I'd installed 4.5-prerelease on a virgin (master) drive, and had been copying some configuration files from the 4.4-release (slave) drive. When I was copying the files I noticed a couple of UDMA ICRC errors before the kernel it fell back to PIO. I didn't notice any further problems until I moved the 4.4-release drive back to the master and tried to boot from it. The drive would not boot at all. I again reconfigured to boot from the 4.5 drive with the (thrashed) 4.4 drive as slave. Running fsck reported tons of errors (a log is available if needed). I've been running the same hardware with 4.4-release without problems since 4.4 was released. My system has two drive trays in a large tower case with a fairly long IDE cable (3 feet ?). I have not seen IDMA errors before, but I seldomly run with a slave drive. The logon messages and error messages are as follows: Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE #1: Thu Dec 27 16:54:38 PST 2001 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: skip@fastbsd.pv1.ca.home.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/FASTBSD Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Timecounter "TSC" frequency 851934846 Hz Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: CPU: Pentium III/Pentium III Xeon/Celeron (851.93-MHz 686-class CPU) Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x683 Stepping = 3 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Features=0x383f9ff Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: real memory = 134205440 (131060K bytes) Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: avail memory = 127176704 (124196K bytes) Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0373000. Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: Using $PIR table, 5 entries at 0xc00f0d10 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: npx0: on motherboard Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: npx0: INT 16 interface Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: pcib0: on motherboard Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: pci0: on pcib0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: pci1: on pcib1 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: pci1: at 0.0 irq 5 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: isab0: at device 4.0 on pci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: isa0: on isab0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: atapci0: port 0xb800-0xb80f at device 4.1 on pci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: uhci0: port 0xb400-0xb41f at device 4.2 on pci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: pci_cfgintr_search: linked (63) to configured irq 5 at 0:10:0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: pci_cfgintr: 0:4 INTD routed to irq 5 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: usb0: on uhci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: usb0: USB revision 1.0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: chip1: port 0xe800-0xe80f at device 4.3 on pci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: xl0: <3Com 3c905B-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0xb000-0xb07f mem 0xe1800000-0xe180007f irq 5 at device 10.0 on pci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: xl0: Ethernet address: 00:50:04:a4:67:9e Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: miibus0: on xl0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: ukphy0: on miibus0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: ukphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: ahc0: port 0xa800-0xa8ff mem 0xe1000000-0xe1000fff irq 5 at device 11.0 on pci0 Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: aic7850: Single Channel A, SCSI Id=7, 3/255 SCBs Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: isa0: too many dependant configs (8) Dec 28 09:03:09 fastbsd /kernel: orm0: