From owner-freebsd-scsi Mon Jul 9 2:19:24 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mgw1.MEIway.com (mgw1.meiway.com [212.73.210.75]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554FA37B403 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 02:19:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from LConrad@Go2France.com) Received: from mail.Go2France.com (ms1.meiway.com [212.73.210.73]) by mgw1.MEIway.com (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id A9B4016B13 for ; Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:19:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from IBM-HIRXKN66F0W.Go2France.com [195.115.185.184] by mail.Go2France.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A906955E0128; Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:27:34 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20010708102129.02e7e008@mail.Go2France.com> X-Sender: LConrad@Go2France.com@mail.Go2France.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 12:48:40 +0200 To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org From: Len Conrad Subject: AMI MegaRAID 1500/1600 for mail gateway Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD 4.3R Looking to build some high perf outbound mail gateways. The disk i/o is the limiting factor, as we painfully noted when we saw with a ATA100 drive that couldn´t relay more than 9k msgs/hour to Internet, where a msg was 15 to 20k. So we´re looking at 15K RPM disks and 160 mb/sec controllers with battery-backed cache of 64 or 128 megs. Anybody used the MegaRAID 1600 or 500 with 15K disks and that much cache? or any on-board cache? This is my first time with FreeBSD and SCSI. Is there any how-to on the (MegaRAID) scsi on-board bios params to make happy with the (amr) scsi driver? Len http://MenAndMice.com/DNS-training http://BIND8NT.MEIway.com : ISC BIND 8.2.4 for NT4 & W2K http://IMGate.MEIway.com : Build free, hi-perf, anti-abuse mail gateways To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Jul 10 5:52: 5 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from ns5.pacific.net.au (ns5.pacific.net.au [203.143.252.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CF4837B403 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 05:52:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mckay@thehub.com.au) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp203.dyn249.pacific.net.au [203.143.249.203]) by ns5.pacific.net.au (8.9.0/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA21620; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:51:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.11.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6ACqMF26033; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:52:22 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200107101252.f6ACqMF26033@dungeon.home> To: Matthew Jacob Cc: mckay@thehub.com.au, freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, Norman Czarczinski Subject: Re: Trouble with SCSI Streamer References: <01070421461600.00594@amd.local> In-Reply-To: from Matthew Jacob at "Wed, 04 Jul 2001 19:48:05 +0000" Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:52:22 +1000 From: Stephen McKay Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, 4th July 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: >On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Norman Czarczinski wrote: > >> On Wednesday 04 July 2001 19:34, you wrote: >> > Well, that's one theory shot down. Can you explicitly try changing the >> > blocksize to 1k, test, back to 512 and test again? >> >> That was it. With 1k it works. After switching back to 512 the problem came >> back. > >Okay- sounds like a bug in sa(4) then- and wierdness in the drive. It >shouldn't allow you to set it to 512 bytes if that doesn't work. This is deja vu time! We had this discussion a couple of years ago, if I recall correctly. QIC tapes in fixed block mode at densities of QIC-320 and above are in 1k blocks, and below that they are 512 byte blocks. It is not linked to a drive type, but to the tape density. Instead of getting to the bottom of this and making the sa driver know everything there was to know about QIC drives, the resolution was to use variable length blocks on QIC-320 and above. At the time, I had some philosophical quibbles with this approach, but it seems quite practical in retrospect. Indeed, checking the pre-cam st driver reveals the default is as I just described. But checking the cam sa driver reveals quirks that set 1024 byte fixed blocks on some drives, and more code that sets 512 byte blocks for lots of densities, including ones that it shouldn't. That's not right. I think a useful exercise would be to copy more of the QIC heuristics from the old st driver into the sa driver. Stephen. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Tue Jul 10 13:32:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6FA37B406 for ; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:32:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from wonky.feral.com (wonky.feral.com [192.67.166.7]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6AKW6S94893; Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:32:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob Reply-To: To: Stephen McKay Cc: , Norman Czarczinski Subject: Re: Trouble with SCSI Streamer In-Reply-To: <200107101252.f6ACqMF26033@dungeon.home> Message-ID: <20010710132824.C99370-100000@wonky.feral.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Stephen McKay wrote: > On Wednesday, 4th July 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > >On Wed, 4 Jul 2001, Norman Czarczinski wrote: > > > >> On Wednesday 04 July 2001 19:34, you wrote: > >> > Well, that's one theory shot down. Can you explicitly try changing the > >> > blocksize to 1k, test, back to 512 and test again? > >> > >> That was it. With 1k it works. After switching back to 512 the problem came > >> back. > > > >Okay- sounds like a bug in sa(4) then- and wierdness in the drive. It > >shouldn't allow you to set it to 512 bytes if that doesn't work. > > This is deja vu time! We had this discussion a couple of years ago, > if I recall correctly. QIC tapes in fixed block mode at densities of > QIC-320 and above are in 1k blocks, and below that they are 512 byte blocks. > It is not linked to a drive type, but to the tape density. > > Instead of getting to the bottom of this and making the sa driver know > everything there was to know about QIC drives, the resolution was to > use variable length blocks on QIC-320 and above. At the time, I had > some philosophical quibbles with this approach, but it seems quite > practical in retrospect. No, I don't agree. A lot of QIC tape drives don't get emulated (it has to be emulated because they cannot actually *do* variable blocksize) blocksizes right. > Indeed, checking the pre-cam st driver reveals the default is as I just > described. But checking the cam sa driver reveals quirks that set 1024 > byte fixed blocks on some drives, and more code that sets 512 byte > blocks for lots of densities, including ones that it shouldn't. That's > not right. Yes, this probably is true. Currently, if this code is exercised (which is rarer than it should be): switch (softc->media_density) { case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_11_4TRK: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_11_9TRK: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_24: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_120: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_150: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_525_320: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_1320: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_3080: softc->quirks &= ~SA_QUIRK_2FM; softc->quirks |= SA_QUIRK_FIXED|SA_QUIRK_1FM; softc->last_media_blksize = 512; break; case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_4GB: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_2GB: softc->quirks &= ~SA_QUIRK_2FM; softc->quirks |= SA_QUIRK_FIXED|SA_QUIRK_1FM; softc->last_media_blksize = 1024; break; This should probably be: switch (softc->media_density) { case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_11_4TRK: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_11_9TRK: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_24: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_120: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_150: softc->quirks &= ~SA_QUIRK_2FM; softc->quirks |= SA_QUIRK_FIXED|SA_QUIRK_1FM; softc->last_media_blksize = 512; break; case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_525_320: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_1320: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_3080: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_4GB: case SCSI_DENSITY_QIC_2GB: softc->quirks &= ~SA_QUIRK_2FM; softc->quirks |= SA_QUIRK_FIXED|SA_QUIRK_1FM; softc->last_media_blksize = 1024; break; It turns out, though, that this code path is rarely exercised because our beloved QIC manufactures often just report 'default' density (0). > > I think a useful exercise would be to copy more of the QIC heuristics from > the old st driver into the sa driver. Got patches? -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Jul 11 0:20:13 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D3C37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 00:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id JAA05301 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:20:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6B6sFp40894; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:54:15 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from j) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:54:15 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <200107110654.f6B6sFp40894@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: knews 1.0b.1 Reply-To: joerg_wunsch@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Organization: Private BSD site, Dresden X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E References: <200107101252.f6ACqMF26033@dungeon.home> <20010710132824.C99370-100000@wonky.feral.com> From: j@uriah.heep.sax.de (Joerg Wunsch) Subject: Re: Trouble with SCSI Streamer X-Original-Newsgroups: local.freebsd.scsi To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > No, I don't agree. A lot of QIC tape drives don't get emulated (it > has to be emulated because they cannot actually *do* variable > blocksize) blocksizes right. We've been there before, Matt. /All/ current tape drives have to emulate variable length recording. The last drives that could do it natively were the reel-to-reel half-inch drives, and Stephen probably owns the single one of them that is working under FreeBSD. ;-) All other drives, no exception, have some internal hardware blocking, usually between 1 KB and 8 KB, for the media blocks. Yet, you don't usually notice this since they all provide a successful illusion of variable-length recording to the outside. QIC-320 and above are no exception to this. All of them provide a variable length emulation. The only QIC drives that don't are (some) QIC-150 drives (and even for those that do, you would not want to use it there since the on-tape implementation is horrible and wasteful). So in general, you can safely default to variable length recording except for QIC-150 media (and well, for QIC-24 (60 MB), but i doubt anybody's using that anymore). This is what the pre-CAM tape driver did, and nobody complained by that time. It just works, and is IMHO what other operating systems are doing as well. There's one marginal difference in the variable-length emulation of QIC vs. other media types, in that QIC can only handle at most one logical block within a physical block. (*) So if you try to block your tape with some odd size that is not a multiple of the 1 KB media block size, you're going to waste space. Other media can stuff parts of a logical block inside one media block. But this is a pathologic case, useful and used block sizes for tapes are typically 10 or 32 KB anyway. (*) No rule without an exception: if you use 512-byte fixed length recording, they can stuff two logical records into one media block. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Jul 11 9:12:16 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from ida.interface-business.de (ida.interface-business.de [193.101.57.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B0637B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:12:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@ida.interface-business.de) Received: (from j@localhost) by ida.interface-business.de id f6BFnKo00392 for freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:49:20 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:49:20 +0200 From: Joerg Wunsch To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: panic: for safety Message-ID: <20010711174920.A359@ida.interface-business.de> Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Phone: +49-351-31809-14 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Organization: interface systems GmbH, Dresden Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Just got this on my somewhat-pre-4.3 machine here. It happened while someone was using the scanner over the network. If it helps, i could upgrade to a 4-stable. stack backtrace (DDB-related frames omitted): (kgdb) bt ... #10 0xc015e1fc in panic () #11 0xc013a506 in ahc_search_qinfifo () #12 0xc013a1a5 in ahc_freeze_devq () #13 0xc0136351 in ahc_handle_scsiint () #14 0xc013cd09 in ahc_freebsd_intr () #15 0xc016c617 in selscan () #16 0xc016c33d in select () #17 0xc02287e9 in syscall2 () #18 0xc021c3a5 in Xint0x80_syscall () #19 0x8093791 in ?? () #20 0x80a14d9 in ?? () #21 0x80694a5 in ?? () kernel messages from the coredump: (pt0:ahc1:0:5:0): SCB 0x5 - timed out while idle, SEQADDR == 0x4 STACK == 0x1, 0xf7, 0x152, 0x0 SXFRCTL0 == 0x80 SCB count = 10 QINFIFO entries: Waiting Queue entries: Disconnected Queue entries: 0:5 QOUTFIFO entries: Sequencer Free SCB List: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Pending list: 5 Kernel Free SCB list: 9 4 6 7 2 8 1 0 Untagged Q(5): 5 sg[0] - Addr 0x50fe008 : Length 4088 sg[1] - Addr 0xabf000 : Length 4096 sg[2] - Addr 0x2680000 : Length 4096 sg[3] - Addr 0x70c1000 : Length 4096 sg[4] - Addr 0x66e2000 : Length 4096 sg[5] - Addr 0x3363000 : Length 4096 sg[6] - Addr 0x6724000 : Length 4096 sg[7] - Addr 0x23a5000 : Length 4096 sg[8] - Addr 0x6206000 : Length 8 (pt0:ahc1:0:5:0): Queuing a BDR SCB (pt0:ahc1:0:5:0): no longer in timeout, status = 34a Waiting List inconsistency. SCB index == 255, yet numscbs == 10.SCB count = 10 QINFIFO entries: Waiting Queue entries: 1:255 2:255 3:255 4:255 5:255 6:255 7:255 8:255 9:255 10:255 11:255 12:255 13:255 14:255 15:255 Disconnected Queue entries: QOUTFIFO entries: Sequencer Free SCB List: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Pending list: Kernel Free SCB list: 5 9 4 6 7 2 8 1 0 panic: for safety -- J"org Wunsch Unix support engineer joerg_wunsch@interface-systems.de http://www.interface-systems.de/~j To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Jul 11 10:46:26 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8BD237B405 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:46:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6BHkIS06500; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:46:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with SCSI Streamer In-Reply-To: <200107110654.f6B6sFp40894@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > No, I don't agree. A lot of QIC tape drives don't get emulated (it > > has to be emulated because they cannot actually *do* variable > > blocksize) blocksizes right. > > We've been there before, Matt. /All/ current tape drives have to Yes, and I didn't agree with some of the conclusions. Yes, all tape drives 'emulate'. The QIC manufacturers, from my experience, don't do a good job of it. Let's cut this short. If you're willing to take over SA maintenance, please say so. I sure am not doing that great of a job. If you take it over, you can change the default to that which you thinkis best. > emulate variable length recording. The last drives that could do it > natively were the reel-to-reel half-inch drives, and Stephen probably > owns the single one of them that is working under FreeBSD. ;-) All > other drives, no exception, have some internal hardware blocking, > usually between 1 KB and 8 KB, for the media blocks. Yet, you don't > usually notice this since they all provide a successful illusion of > variable-length recording to the outside. > > QIC-320 and above are no exception to this. All of them provide a > variable length emulation. The only QIC drives that don't are (some) > QIC-150 drives (and even for those that do, you would not want to use > it there since the on-tape implementation is horrible and wasteful). > > So in general, you can safely default to variable length recording > except for QIC-150 media (and well, for QIC-24 (60 MB), but i doubt > anybody's using that anymore). This is what the pre-CAM tape driver > did, and nobody complained by that time. It just works, and is IMHO > what other operating systems are doing as well. > > There's one marginal difference in the variable-length emulation of > QIC vs. other media types, in that QIC can only handle at most one > logical block within a physical block. (*) So if you try to block your > tape with some odd size that is not a multiple of the 1 KB media block > size, you're going to waste space. Other media can stuff parts of a > logical block inside one media block. But this is a pathologic case, > useful and used block sizes for tapes are typically 10 or 32 KB > anyway. > > (*) No rule without an exception: if you use 512-byte fixed length > recording, they can stuff two logical records into one media block. > > -- > cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL > > http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE > Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Jul 11 11:50:23 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E63F37B403 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:50:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id UAA16061; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:50:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6BIiYl42640; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:44:34 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from j) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:44:34 +0200 From: Joerg Wunsch To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with SCSI Streamer Message-ID: <20010711204434.J1948@uriah.heep.sax.de> Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <200107110654.f6B6sFp40894@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:46:18AM -0700 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Matthew Jacob wrote: > > We've been there before, Matt. /All/ current tape drives have to > > Yes, and I didn't agree with some of the conclusions. Yes, all > tape drives 'emulate'. The QIC manufacturers, from my experience, > don't do a good job of it. Which is contradictionary to my experience (and i use them a lot). Can you elaborate a bit why you think the QIC manufacturer do a bad job on it? Btw., there's currently probably only a single one left (Tandberg), and their SCSI implementations usually belong to the better ones. (Let's leave out stuff like Travan here.) > Let's cut this short. If you're willing to take over SA maintenance, > please say so. Well no, i don't wanna piss you off, nor do i have more time at hand than you. I'll be happy to eventually finish some long-standing floppy driver work... Some of the things there have been in my brain pipeline for years now. I once thought about re-implementing `programmable' tape devices, like they did exist pre-CAM, and are still reported as `available modes' in the mt stat output. This would allow people to pre-assign variable length for, say /dev/sa0.0, and fixed-length (for QIC-150 media) to /dev/sa0.1, and then use the appropriate subdevice. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Jul 11 11:55:22 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9386A37B401 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:55:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6BItES07518; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:55:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Joerg Wunsch Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with SCSI Streamer In-Reply-To: <20010711204434.J1948@uriah.heep.sax.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Joerg Wunsch wrote: > As Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > We've been there before, Matt. /All/ current tape drives have to > > > > Yes, and I didn't agree with some of the conclusions. Yes, all > > tape drives 'emulate'. The QIC manufacturers, from my experience, > > don't do a good job of it. > > Which is contradictionary to my experience (and i use them a lot). > > Can you elaborate a bit why you think the QIC manufacturer do a bad > job on it? Btw., there's currently probably only a single one left > (Tandberg), and their SCSI implementations usually belong to the Yes. Wangtek was the worst. The variable mode for the 51000H was awful and just plain wrong. > better ones. (Let's leave out stuff like Travan here.) The HP-Travan SCSI (T20) has been okay for me. But bad for others. > > > Let's cut this short. If you're willing to take over SA maintenance, > > please say so. > > Well no, i don't wanna piss you off, nor do i have more time at hand No, no, it's just at least on this topic I can't seem to please anyone. > than you. I'll be happy to eventually finish some long-standing > floppy driver work... Some of the things there have been in my brain > pipeline for years now. > > I once thought about re-implementing `programmable' tape devices, like > they did exist pre-CAM, and are still reported as `available modes' in > the mt stat output. This would allow people to pre-assign variable > length for, say /dev/sa0.0, and fixed-length (for QIC-150 media) to > /dev/sa0.1, and then use the appropriate subdevice. Actually, I think these are a bit of a crock- for every Nth option you'd want to set, you'd need a different matrix name. What you need to do instead is to establish persistent settings for specific drives that re-establish after reboots and even if devices change address. This is likely part of the 'hints/quirks' stuff that the loader can than bring in. My major problem with implementing this is that I really don't have as yet a clever idea for how to make the quirk syntax look good and easy to use and sufficiently broad to get what we want. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Wed Jul 11 23:50:20 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from sax.sax.de (sax.sax.de [193.175.26.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4289C37B407 for ; Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:50:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j@uriah.heep.sax.de) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by sax.sax.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id IAA27188; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:50:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from j@localhost) by uriah.heep.sax.de (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f6C6g4Z45220; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:42:04 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from j) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:42:04 +0200 From: Joerg Wunsch To: Matthew Jacob Cc: freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Trouble with SCSI Streamer Message-ID: <20010712084204.L1948@uriah.heep.sax.de> Reply-To: Joerg Wunsch References: <20010711204434.J1948@uriah.heep.sax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from mjacob@feral.com on Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 11:55:14AM -0700 X-Phone: +49-351-2012 669 X-PGP-Fingerprint: DC 47 E6 E4 FF A6 E9 8F 93 21 E0 7D F9 12 D6 4E Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org As Matthew Jacob wrote: > Yes. Wangtek was the worst. The variable mode for the 51000H was > awful and just plain wrong. Haven't seen that, the largest QIC drive i've ever seen from Wangtek was the 5525 one (but that could at least do variable mode well enough). But you're right, their QIC drives didn't make a good impression, starting with the mechanics already. > > Well no, i don't wanna piss you off, nor do i have more time at hand > > No, no, it's just at least on this topic I can't seem to please anyone. But that's a constant attribute of a tape driver maintainer, isn't it? :-) > > I once thought about re-implementing `programmable' tape devices, like > > they did exist pre-CAM, ... > Actually, I think these are a bit of a crock- for every Nth option > you'd want to set, you'd need a different matrix name. What you need > to do instead is to establish persistent settings for specific > drives that re-establish after reboots and even if devices change > address. Hmm. For the relation between drive (manufacturer/model) and the settings, i think the hints/quirks stuff could work out. However, i doubt this will work well if you start including media densities in the matrix, but that's exactly the problem for QIC: i'd like to run my drive in variable mode except for QIC-150 media. Right now, i always have to remember about the right mt density command before starting an operation (the first "mt blocksize 0" is set via rc.local at boot-time, since this is the usual default i want). The idea with the subdevices would at least allow for an rc.tape script that could adjust four arbitrary values for each drive, as the operator/owner of the machine would like it to be. OK, it's a manually maintained persistence then, sorta. :) But if quirks => hints could do this, i wouldn't be opposed to it. Or if we could combine both. -- cheers, J"org .-.-. --... ...-- -.. . DL8DTL http://www.sax.de/~joerg/ NIC: JW11-RIPE Never trust an operating system you don't have sources for. ;-) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 15:49: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B141937B401; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:49:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6CMmqS62717; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:48:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jim Bryant Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: <3B4E1EAD.6A366678@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [ moved to scsi, followup there ] Hard to say. It looks like we're somehow missing early warning and going all the way to end of tape. I've had real trouble reproducing this situation. I've had some reports, but I've not been able to really make it happen for me, and, yes, I use DDS tapes also. Are you in set in fixed block or variable block mode? -matt On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > This is a new issue [was not present in -current a few months ago]. > > Attempting a dump to an HP C1533A DDS-2 drive, dump seems to "freeze the > tape" at EOT. > > Inserting the next volume of the dump and typing "yes" only produces write > errors. > > Performing an `mt rewind`, prior to typing "yes" clears the state, and > allows the dump to continue. > > What's up with this? I can test changes to fix this if someone has a clue > as to what is changed here. > > Not everyone can afford DLT for a single-tape backup, so this can be an > issue effecting many freebsd users. > > --------------------- > > sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > sa0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) > > --------------------- > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): WRITE FILEMARKS. CDB: 10 0 0 0 2 0 > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): NO SENSE asc:0,2 > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): End-of-partition/medium detected > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): Retries Exhausted > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): failed to write terminating filemark(s) > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): tape is now frozen- use an OFFLINE, REWIND or MTEOM command to clear > this state. > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): tape is now frozen- use an OFFLINE, REWIND or MTEOM command to clear > this state. > > jim > -- > ET has one helluva sense of humor! > He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 15:59:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 866A837B403 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:59:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kc5vdj@yahoo.com) Received: from mkc-65-28-47-209.kc.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.28.47.209) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 22:59:48 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3B4E2BE3.F92F44C6@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:59:47 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Reply-To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG, scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [subscribing to FreeBSD-scsi as I type this] `mt status` shows "variable" as the default, and I am not specifying a blocksize to dump. Below is an example of how I am doing this, and all other partitions use the same options. /sbin/dump -0 -a -n -u -f /dev/nsa0 / On a side note, what happened to the "raw" device nodes [/dev/*rsa*]? I'm guessing that the lack of "raw" nodes doesn't make a diff, as /dev/*sa* are all character-mode devices. Matthew Jacob wrote: > > [ moved to scsi, followup there ] > > Hard to say. It looks like we're somehow missing early warning and going all > the way to end of tape. I've had real trouble reproducing this situation. I've > had some reports, but I've not been able to really make it happen for me, and, > yes, I use DDS tapes also. > > Are you in set in fixed block or variable block mode? > > -matt > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > This is a new issue [was not present in -current a few months ago]. > > > > Attempting a dump to an HP C1533A DDS-2 drive, dump seems to "freeze the > > tape" at EOT. > > > > Inserting the next volume of the dump and typing "yes" only produces write > > errors. > > > > Performing an `mt rewind`, prior to typing "yes" clears the state, and > > allows the dump to continue. > > > > What's up with this? I can test changes to fix this if someone has a clue > > as to what is changed here. > > > > Not everyone can afford DLT for a single-tape backup, so this can be an > > issue effecting many freebsd users. > > > > --------------------- > > > > sa0 at ahc0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 > > sa0: Removable Sequential Access SCSI-2 device > > sa0: 10.000MB/s transfers (10.000MHz, offset 8) > > > > --------------------- > > > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): WRITE FILEMARKS. CDB: 10 0 0 0 2 0 > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): NO SENSE asc:0,2 > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): End-of-partition/medium detected > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): Retries Exhausted > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): failed to write terminating filemark(s) > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): tape is now frozen- use an OFFLINE, REWIND or MTEOM command to clear > > this state. > > Jul 12 07:45:00 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): tape is now frozen- use an OFFLINE, REWIND or MTEOM command to clear > > this state. jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 16:12:52 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6552837B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:12:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kc5vdj@yahoo.com) Received: from mkc-65-28-47-209.kc.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.28.47.209) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 23:12:51 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3B4E2EF2.50F72A41@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:12:50 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Reply-To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org if this makes it, then it should be okay to respond to my previous question here. Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 16:13:12 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF02537B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:13:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6CND8S62912; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:13:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jim Bryant Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: <3B4E2BE3.F92F44C6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > [subscribing to FreeBSD-scsi as I type this] > > `mt status` shows "variable" as the default, and I am not specifying a > blocksize to dump. Below is an example of how I am doing this, and all > other partitions use the same options. > > /sbin/dump -0 -a -n -u -f /dev/nsa0 / > > On a side note, what happened to the "raw" device nodes [/dev/*rsa*]? I'm guessing that the lack of "raw" nodes doesn't make a diff, > as /dev/*sa* are all character-mode devices. No, all devices are block devices now. Linux has no raw, FreeBSD has no cooked. Feh. Okay- I'll try and chase this down again. It's really time for me to pay attention to sa(4) again. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 16:18:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp018.mail.yahoo.com (smtp018.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.115]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BC87D37B408 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:18:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kc5vdj@yahoo.com) Received: from mkc-65-28-47-209.kc.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.28.47.209) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 23:18:43 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3B4E3052.6CF258BE@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:18:42 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Reply-To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Okay, thanks. I'll gladly help test any changes. sounds like /dev/sushi to me... mmmmmmmmm! Matthew Jacob wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > [subscribing to FreeBSD-scsi as I type this] > > > > `mt status` shows "variable" as the default, and I am not specifying a > > blocksize to dump. Below is an example of how I am doing this, and all > > other partitions use the same options. > > > > /sbin/dump -0 -a -n -u -f /dev/nsa0 / > > > > On a side note, what happened to the "raw" device nodes [/dev/*rsa*]? I'm guessing that the lack of "raw" nodes doesn't make a diff, > > as /dev/*sa* are all character-mode devices. > > No, all devices are block devices now. Linux has no raw, FreeBSD has no > cooked. Feh. > > Okay- I'll try and chase this down again. It's really time for me to pay > attention to sa(4) again. > > -matt jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 16:24:55 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DAF37B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:24:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6CNOnS62996; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:24:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:24:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jim Bryant Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: <3B4E3052.6CF258BE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Can you isolate a time when the change happened for you? Part of the problem for me is I'm in the middle of untangling a bunch of NEW_TRAN_CODE changes, and my latest quick && dirty test on tape (remote from home, I'm recuperating from minor surgery today) had me try and interrupt a dump, and then issue a scsi bus reset, only to see: (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. (sa0:sym0:0:6:0): Retrying Command which for a tape write would be totally wrong. -matt On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > Okay, thanks. I'll gladly help test any changes. > > sounds like /dev/sushi to me... mmmmmmmmm! > > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > > > [subscribing to FreeBSD-scsi as I type this] > > > > > > `mt status` shows "variable" as the default, and I am not specifying a > > > blocksize to dump. Below is an example of how I am doing this, and all > > > other partitions use the same options. > > > > > > /sbin/dump -0 -a -n -u -f /dev/nsa0 / > > > > > > On a side note, what happened to the "raw" device nodes [/dev/*rsa*]? I'm guessing that the lack of "raw" nodes doesn't make a diff, > > > as /dev/*sa* are all character-mode devices. > > > > No, all devices are block devices now. Linux has no raw, FreeBSD has no > > cooked. Feh. > > > > Okay- I'll try and chase this down again. It's really time for me to pay > > attention to sa(4) again. > > > > -matt > > jim > -- > ET has one helluva sense of humor! > He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 16:32:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 30D2F37B406 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kc5vdj@yahoo.com) Received: from mkc-65-28-47-209.kc.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.28.47.209) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2001 23:32:45 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3B4E339D.E37DAD13@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:32:45 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Reply-To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Well, honestly, the last working version I had was late feb/early-march, at which point i lost my connectivity. Then I had a cmos battery go bad without the settings being written, this caused an IRQ conflict which I only resolved a few days ago. They say "shit happens", well, I had a whole manure truck dump on me over the past few months, and I'm only now getting my shit together. All I can say is that it worked late-feb/early-march. Matthew Jacob wrote: > > Can you isolate a time when the change happened for you? > > Part of the problem for me is I'm in the middle of untangling a bunch > of NEW_TRAN_CODE changes, and my latest quick && dirty test on tape > (remote from home, I'm recuperating from minor surgery today) had me > try and interrupt a dump, and then issue a scsi bus reset, only to see: > > (noperiph:sym0:0:-1:-1): SCSI BUS reset delivered. > (sa0:sym0:0:6:0): Retrying Command > > which for a tape write would be totally wrong. > > -matt > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > Okay, thanks. I'll gladly help test any changes. > > > > sounds like /dev/sushi to me... mmmmmmmmm! > > > > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > > > > > [subscribing to FreeBSD-scsi as I type this] > > > > > > > > `mt status` shows "variable" as the default, and I am not specifying a > > > > blocksize to dump. Below is an example of how I am doing this, and all > > > > other partitions use the same options. > > > > > > > > /sbin/dump -0 -a -n -u -f /dev/nsa0 / > > > > > > > > On a side note, what happened to the "raw" device nodes [/dev/*rsa*]? I'm guessing that the lack of "raw" nodes doesn't make a diff, > > > > as /dev/*sa* are all character-mode devices. > > > > > > No, all devices are block devices now. Linux has no raw, FreeBSD has no > > > cooked. Feh. > > > > > > Okay- I'll try and chase this down again. It's really time for me to pay > > > attention to sa(4) again. jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 16:39:59 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1898D37B40B for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:39:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6CNdrS63125; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:39:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:39:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jim Bryant Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: <3B4E339D.E37DAD13@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1622186400-994981192=:61694" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1622186400-994981192=:61694 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > Well, honestly, the last working version I had was late feb/early-march, > at which point i lost my connectivity. Then I had a cmos battery go bad > without the settings being written, this caused an IRQ conflict which I > only resolved a few days ago. They say "shit happens", well, I had a > whole manure truck dump on me over the past few months, and I'm only now > getting my shit together. > > All I can say is that it worked late-feb/early-march. 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Hunk #1 failed at 2396. Hunk #2 failed at 2424. Hunk #3 failed at 2438. 3 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to scsi_sa.c.rej done Matthew Jacob wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > Well, honestly, the last working version I had was late feb/early-march, > > at which point i lost my connectivity. Then I had a cmos battery go bad > > without the settings being written, this caused an IRQ conflict which I > > only resolved a few days ago. They say "shit happens", well, I had a > > whole manure truck dump on me over the past few months, and I'm only now > > getting my shit together. > > > > All I can say is that it worked late-feb/early-march. > > Try the attached patch, which backs Joerg's fix in rev 1.68. > > -matt > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: sapatch > sapatch Type: Plain Text (TEXT/PLAIN) > Encoding: BASE64 jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos!Matthew Jacob wrote: _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 17:18:27 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp017.mail.yahoo.com (smtp017.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A68C237B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:18:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kc5vdj@yahoo.com) Received: from mkc-65-28-47-209.kc.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.28.47.209) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 00:18:23 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3B4E3E4E.8C698F3A@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:18:22 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Reply-To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running -current from last night or the night before. Plus because of the recent changes to the filesystem structure, I deleted /usr/src/sys and re-cvsupped it. * $FreeBSD: src/sys/cam/scsi/scsi_sa.c,v 1.75 2001/07/04 05:22:42 mjacob Exp $ ^^^^ Matthew Jacob wrote: > > This patched against -current for me, so I haven't a clue as to what you're > actually running. > > Are you running -current or -stable? If -stable, ignore what I said about > Joerg's changes. The -stable could should, in fact, be working. I went through > a 8 week test cycle with some guy who had a similar problem with his DDS3, but > I never *could* reproduce it. > > -matt > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > 6:43:21pm wahoo(123): patch > Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... > > The text leading up to this was: > > -------------------------- > > |Index: scsi_sa.c > > |=================================================================== > > |RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/cam/scsi/scsi_sa.c,v > > |retrieving revision 1.68 > > |retrieving revision 1.67 > > |diff -u -r1.68 -r1.67 > > |--- scsi_sa.c 2001/04/22 20:13:28 1.68 > > |+++ scsi_sa.c 2001/03/27 05:45:12 1.67 > > -------------------------- > > Patching file scsi_sa.c using Plan A... > > Hunk #1 failed at 2286. > > 1 out of 1 hunks failed--saving rejects to scsi_sa.c.rej > > Hmm... The next patch looks like a unified diff to me... > > The text leading up to this was: > > -------------------------- > > | periph = xpt_path_periph(ccb->ccb_h.path); > > | softc = (struct sa_softc *)periph->softc; > > -------------------------- > > File to patch: scsi_sa.c > > Patching file scsi_sa.c using Plan A... > > Hunk #1 failed at 2396. > > Hunk #2 failed at 2424. > > Hunk #3 failed at 2438. > > 3 out of 3 hunks failed--saving rejects to scsi_sa.c.rej > > done > > > > Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > > > > > Well, honestly, the last working version I had was late feb/early-march, > > > > at which point i lost my connectivity. Then I had a cmos battery go bad > > > > without the settings being written, this caused an IRQ conflict which I > > > > only resolved a few days ago. They say "shit happens", well, I had a > > > > whole manure truck dump on me over the past few months, and I'm only now > > > > getting my shit together. > > > > > > > > All I can say is that it worked late-feb/early-march. > > > > > > Try the attached patch, which backs Joerg's fix in rev 1.68. > > > > > > -matt > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Name: sapatch > > > sapatch Type: Plain Text (TEXT/PLAIN) > > > Encoding: BASE64 jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 17:22:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DF737B40E for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:22:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6D0MRS63725; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:22:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:22:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jim Bryant Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: <3B4E3E4E.8C698F3A@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-2085668878-994983747=:61694" Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-2085668878-994983747=:61694 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII beppo.feral.com > head scsi_sa.c /* * $FreeBSD: src/sys/cam/scsi/scsi_sa.c,v 1.75 2001/07/04 05:22:42 mjacob Exp $ * beppo.feral.com > patch < ~/sapatch Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |Index: scsi_sa.c |=================================================================== |RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/cam/scsi/scsi_sa.c,v |retrieving revision 1.68 |retrieving revision 1.67 |diff -u -r1.68 -r1.67 |--- scsi_sa.c 2001/04/22 20:13:28 1.68 |+++ scsi_sa.c 2001/03/27 05:45:12 1.67 -------------------------- Patching file scsi_sa.c using Plan A... Hunk #1 succeeded at 2287 (offset 1 line). Hunk #2 succeeded at 2397 (offset 1 line). Hunk #3 succeeded at 2425 (offset 1 line). Hunk #4 succeeded at 2439 (offset 1 line). done Damned if know what happened for you. I wonder if my MUA is mangling attachments on send? 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Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Could be. This time instead of cutting and pasting the patch from netscape messenger, I simply saved the patch without viewing it, and came up with the following... 7:26:10pm wahoo(135): patch > beppo.feral.com > head scsi_sa.c > /* > * $FreeBSD: src/sys/cam/scsi/scsi_sa.c,v 1.75 2001/07/04 05:22:42 mjacob Exp > $ > * > beppo.feral.com > patch < ~/sapatch > Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... > The text leading up to this was: > -------------------------- > |Index: scsi_sa.c > |=================================================================== > |RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/cam/scsi/scsi_sa.c,v > |retrieving revision 1.68 > |retrieving revision 1.67 > |diff -u -r1.68 -r1.67 > |--- scsi_sa.c 2001/04/22 20:13:28 1.68 > |+++ scsi_sa.c 2001/03/27 05:45:12 1.67 > -------------------------- > Patching file scsi_sa.c using Plan A... > Hunk #1 succeeded at 2287 (offset 1 line). > Hunk #2 succeeded at 2397 (offset 1 line). > Hunk #3 succeeded at 2425 (offset 1 line). > Hunk #4 succeeded at 2439 (offset 1 line). > done > > Damned if know what happened for you. I wonder if my MUA is mangling > attachments on send? That'd be bad... > > -matt > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: scsi_sa.c.gz > scsi_sa.c.gz Type: unspecified type (APPLICATION/octet-stream) > Encoding: BASE64 jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 18:11:53 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A14037B401 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:11:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6D1BoS64295; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:11:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:11:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jim Bryant Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: <3B4E339D.E37DAD13@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yep, tape in FreeBSD-current is massively broken right now, CAM_NEW_TRAN or not. For example, it gets stuck in a loop trying to read EOF. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 19:32: 0 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp010.mail.yahoo.com (smtp010.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.30]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D002437B405 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:31:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kc5vdj@yahoo.com) Received: from mkc-65-28-47-209.kc.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.28.47.209) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 02:31:56 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3B4E5D9B.747CB650@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:31:55 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Reply-To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is this the same patch, or a different one? Matthew Jacob wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > Well, honestly, the last working version I had was late feb/early-march, > > at which point i lost my connectivity. Then I had a cmos battery go bad > > without the settings being written, this caused an IRQ conflict which I > > only resolved a few days ago. They say "shit happens", well, I had a > > whole manure truck dump on me over the past few months, and I'm only now > > getting my shit together. > > > > All I can say is that it worked late-feb/early-march. > > Try the attached patch, which backs Joerg's fix in rev 1.68. > > -matt > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: sapatch > sapatch Type: Plain Text (TEXT/PLAIN) > Encoding: BASE64 jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 20:53:49 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from smtp015.mail.yahoo.com (smtp015.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.59]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E37D137B407 for ; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:53:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kc5vdj@yahoo.com) Received: from mkc-65-28-47-209.kc.rr.com (HELO yahoo.com) (65.28.47.209) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2001 03:53:44 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <3B4E70C7.58C8CC88@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:53:43 -0500 From: Jim Bryant Reply-To: kc5vdj@yahoo.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, aic7xxx@freebsd.org Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Post patch/compile/install/boot dump results after one tape of a three tape backup: Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): WRITE FILEMARKS. CDB: 10 0 0 0 2 0 Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): NO SENSE asc:0,2 Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): End-of-partition/medium detected Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): Retries Exhausted Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): failed to write terminating filemark(s) Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): tape is now frozen- use an OFFLINE, REWIND or MTEOM command to clear this state. Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): tape is now frozen- use an OFFLINE, REWIND or MTEOM command to clear this state. No apparent difference. Question, could this also be related to aic7xxx? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Name: scsi_sa.c.gz > scsi_sa.c.gz Type: unspecified type (APPLICATION/octet-stream) > Encoding: BASE64 jim -- ET has one helluva sense of humor! He's always anal-probing right-wing schizos! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Thu Jul 12 20:55:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CC137B401; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:55:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6D3tbS66016; Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:55:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:55:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Jim Bryant Cc: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org, aic7xxx@freebsd.org Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: <3B4E70C7.58C8CC88@yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > Post patch/compile/install/boot dump results after one tape of a three tape backup: > > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): WRITE FILEMARKS. CDB: 10 0 0 0 2 0 > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): CAM Status: SCSI Status Error > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): SCSI Status: Check Condition > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): NO SENSE asc:0,2 > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): End-of-partition/medium detected > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): Retries Exhausted > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): failed to write terminating filemark(s) > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): tape is now frozen- use an OFFLINE, REWIND or MTEOM command to clear > this state. > Jul 12 22:49:57 wahoo /boot/kernel/kernel: (sa0:ahc0:0:5:0): tape is now frozen- use an OFFLINE, REWIND or MTEOM command to clear > this state. > > No apparent difference. Huh. Damnedest thing. Well, things are massively broken now. > > Question, could this also be related to aic7xxx? no. -matt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Jul 13 2:49:19 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from mailman.zeta.org.au (mailman.zeta.org.au [203.26.10.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ABCD37B403 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:49:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bde@zeta.org.au) Received: from bde.zeta.org.au (bde.zeta.org.au [203.2.228.102]) by mailman.zeta.org.au (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23567; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:48:17 +1000 Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:46:04 +1000 (EST) From: Bruce Evans X-Sender: bde@besplex.bde.org To: Matthew Jacob Cc: Jim Bryant , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > On a side note, what happened to the "raw" device nodes [/dev/*rsa*]? I'm guessing that the lack of "raw" nodes doesn't make a diff, > > as /dev/*sa* are all character-mode devices. > > No, all devices are block devices now. Linux has no raw, FreeBSD has no > cooked. Feh. No. No devices are block devices now (or yesterday; block devices went away in 4.0). Linux has no character disk devices; FreeBSD has no block disk devices. Feh. Tapes are a little different from disks. Neither FreeBSD nor Linux has block tape devices, but FreeBSD used to have them. /dev/*rsa* didn't go away; they were just renamed to /dev/*sa*. The old /dev/*sa* went away. :-) Bruce To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Fri Jul 13 9:35: 9 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from beppo.feral.com (beppo.feral.com [192.67.166.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4A837B401 for ; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:35:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Received: from beppo (mjacob@beppo [192.67.166.79]) by beppo.feral.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f6DGZ1S75091; Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:35:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mjacob@feral.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 09:35:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Matthew Jacob X-Sender: mjacob@beppo Reply-To: mjacob@feral.com To: Bruce Evans Cc: Jim Bryant , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Bruce Evans wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > On a side note, what happened to the "raw" device nodes [/dev/*rsa*]? I'm guessing that the lack of "raw" nodes doesn't make a diff, > > > as /dev/*sa* are all character-mode devices. > > > > No, all devices are block devices now. Linux has no raw, FreeBSD has no > > cooked. Feh. > > No. No devices are block devices now (or yesterday; block devices > went away in 4.0). Linux has no character disk devices; FreeBSD has > no block disk devices. Feh. Tapes are a little different from disks. Really? I'll have to tell the ANSI SCSI committee! > Neither FreeBSD nor Linux has block tape devices, but FreeBSD used to > have them. /dev/*rsa* didn't go away; they were just renamed to > /dev/*sa*. The old /dev/*sa* went away. :-) > > Bruce > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Jul 14 16: 0:11 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from peter3.wemm.org (c1315225-a.plstn1.sfba.home.com [24.14.150.180]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7619837B401 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.netplex.com.au (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by peter3.wemm.org (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f6EN05M06566 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.netplex.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14DC6380B; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:00:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.3.1 01/18/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: mjacob@feral.com Cc: Bruce Evans , Jim Bryant , scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 16:00:05 -0700 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20010714230005.14DC6380B@overcee.netplex.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Bruce Evans wrote: > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Matthew Jacob wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jul 2001, Jim Bryant wrote: > > > > On a side note, what happened to the "raw" device nodes [/dev/*rsa*]? I 'm guessing that the lack of "raw" nodes doesn't make a diff, > > > > as /dev/*sa* are all character-mode devices. > > > > > > No, all devices are block devices now. Linux has no raw, FreeBSD has no > > > cooked. Feh. > > > > No. No devices are block devices now (or yesterday; block devices > > went away in 4.0). Linux has no character disk devices; FreeBSD has > > no block disk devices. Feh. Tapes are a little different from disks. > > Really? I'll have to tell the ANSI SCSI committee! He means *buffered* devices (aka block, using bdevsw, and the buffer cache) went away. Raw devices (aka character, using cdevsw, but going direct to the device) are what we kept. Raw devices are accessible depending on the backing device.. eg: must be block sized transfers/seeks/etc for things like tapes/disks/etc, but can be any for things like frame buffers. Buffered (block, cached) can be written on any size/alignment and can be seeked for disks. We have not had the gross B_TAPE flag for some time that was used to stop the buffer cache getting too creative with the tape strategy routines (ie: doing random IO). Unix stat(2) calls raw devices "character" and buffered devices "block", even though raw devices can be both block or byte addressable and buffered devices enabled character/byte IO. :-) Hence the tangled up terminology. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; peter@netplex.com.au "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-scsi Sat Jul 14 19:23:37 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-scsi@freebsd.org Received: from rip.psg.com (rip.psg.com [147.28.0.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E949537B401 for ; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:23:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from randy@psg.com) Received: from randy by rip.psg.com with local (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15LbYz-0007Gk-00; Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:23:17 -0700 From: Randy Bush MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: Peter Wemm Cc: scsi@freebsd.org Subject: Re: oddity with dump(8) or sa(4) in -current References: <20010714230005.14DC6380B@overcee.netplex.com.au> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 19:23:17 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-scsi@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > He means *buffered* devices (aka block, using bdevsw, and the buffer cache) > went away. which will *severely* impact things such as using a raw windoze partition under vmware. randy To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-scsi" in the body of the message