From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 3:10:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.onnet.se (mail.onnet.se [195.17.28.27]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C019837B419 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:10:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from iis2.ms.netcraft.se (iis3.netcraft.se [195.17.28.41]) by mail1.onnet.se (8.12.1/8.12.1) with SMTP id g0IBAOFx013213 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:10:25 +0100 (MET) Received: FROM mail1 BY iis2.ms.netcraft.se ; Fri Jan 18 12:02:49 2002 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:10:22 +0100 (MET) From: Olle Gorling X-X-Sender: To: Subject: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi! I'm currently investigating the possibility to use a FreeBSD 4.4-box as a gateway for ethernet->atm. From=20recent discussions on this list I've come to the conclussion that the Fore PCA200e card doesn't support VPI values higher than 0. This doesn't really match up with our needs. Are there any other Fore ATM-cards for OC-3 155mbps that support higher VPI's? Thanks in advance, //Olle G=F6rling, Netcraft Scandinavia AB +46-(0)8-441 59 90 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 3:29:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (mailhub.fokus.gmd.de [193.174.154.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30FDB37B41A for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from beagle (beagle [193.175.132.100]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0IBT6R01704; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:29:06 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:29:06 +0100 (CET) From: Harti Brandt To: Olle Gorling Cc: freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020118122614.J97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Olle Gorling wrote: OG>Are there any other Fore ATM-cards for OC-3 155mbps OG>that support higher VPI's? Yes the HE cards which come in 155 and 622 mbps variants. They support 12 (4096 VCCs) bits of VPI/VCI which you can split between the VPI and VCI parts. Don't know whether there is a HARP driver for them. I have a driver for my new netgraph-based ATM stack for the HE155 (for current). -- harti brandt, http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private brandt@fokus.fhg.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 3:35:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from proton.hexanet.fr (proton.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3403237B417 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:35:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from hexanet.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proton.hexanet.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0IBZna01654; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:35:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:35:49 +0100 From: Christophe =?ISO-8859-1?B?UHLpdm90YXV4?= To: Harti Brandt Cc: freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 Message-Id: <20020118123549.29986c29.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> In-Reply-To: <20020118122614.J97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> References: <20020118122614.J97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> Organization: HEXANET Sarl X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:29:06 +0100 (CET) Harti Brandt wrote: > On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Olle Gorling wrote: > > OG>Are there any other Fore ATM-cards for OC-3 155mbps > OG>that support higher VPI's? > > Yes the HE cards which come in 155 and 622 mbps variants. They support > 12 (4096 VCCs) bits of VPI/VCI which you can split between the VPI and VCI > parts. > > Don't know whether there is a HARP driver for them. I have a driver for my > new netgraph-based ATM stack for the HE155 (for current). > -- > harti brandt, http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private > brandt@fokus.fhg.de > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message > Are you going to integrate it in FreeBSD distribution (release or stable) ? that would be handy. Since I am going to buy such card anyday now :) -- =================================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ =================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 3:41:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (mailhub.fokus.gmd.de [193.174.154.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8D537B416 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 03:41:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from beagle (beagle [193.175.132.100]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0IBfmR05469; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:41:48 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:41:48 +0100 (CET) From: Harti Brandt To: Christophe =?ISO-8859-1?B?UHLpdm90YXV4?= Cc: freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 In-Reply-To: <20020118123549.29986c29.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Message-ID: <20020118123709.S97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Christophe [ISO-8859-1] Pr=E9votaux wrote: CP>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:29:06 +0100 (CET) CP>Harti Brandt wrote: CP> CP>> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Olle Gorling wrote: CP>> CP>> OG>Are there any other Fore ATM-cards for OC-3 155mbps CP>> OG>that support higher VPI's? CP>> CP>> Yes the HE cards which come in 155 and 622 mbps variants. They support CP>> 12 (4096 VCCs) bits of VPI/VCI which you can split between the VPI and= VCI CP>> parts. CP>> CP>> Don't know whether there is a HARP driver for them. I have a driver fo= r my CP>> new netgraph-based ATM stack for the HE155 (for current). CP>> -- CP>> harti brandt, http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartm= ut.brandt/private CP>> brandt@fokus.fhg.de CP>> CP>> CP>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org CP>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message CP>> CP> CP>Are you going to integrate it in FreeBSD distribution (release or stable= ) ? that would be handy. CP>Since I am going to buy such card anyday now :) Well, I would like to, but my feeling is, that there is nobody in the comitter team, who cares much about ATM. For the beginning I release it as a source package for -current. Porting it to -stable would probably possible, but not easy, because netgraph has evolved alot. I'm just finishing the CLIP module and the SNMP daemon. When this is ready, I'm going to make a first release. harti --=20 harti brandt, http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.br= andt/private brandt@fokus.fhg.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 4:13:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from valu.uninet.ee (valu.uninet.ee [194.204.34.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3EB937B404 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:13:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by valu.uninet.ee (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 2042A36416; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:13:10 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valu.uninet.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA8032619; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:13:10 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:13:10 +0200 (EET) From: Taavi Talvik To: Harti Brandt Cc: Christophe =?ISO-8859-1?B?UHLpdm90YXV4?= , freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 In-Reply-To: <20020118123709.S97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Harti Brandt wrote: > CP>Are you going to integrate it in FreeBSD distribution (release or stable) ? that would be handy. > CP>Since I am going to buy such card anyday now :) > > Well, I would like to, but my feeling is, that there is nobody in the > comitter team, who cares much about ATM. For the beginning I release it > as a source package for -current. Porting it to -stable would probably > possible, but not easy, because netgraph has evolved alot. > > I'm just finishing the CLIP module and the SNMP daemon. When this is > ready, I'm going to make a first release. Probably there will be more interest in ATM, when more hardware drivers will be available. I have got efficient 3060 ADSL card working (still very much work in progress) with NATM and planning to redisign driver for netgraph support. NATM is not very usefull in todays environment with pppoe/pppoatm/clip/.. mix. best regards, taavi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 4:21: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from proton.hexanet.fr (proton.hexanet.fr [194.98.140.18]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EE0F37B400 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:20:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hexanet.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proton.hexanet.fr (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g0ICKsa01765; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:20:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:20:54 +0100 From: Christophe =?ISO-8859-1?B?UHLpdm90YXV4?= To: Harti Brandt Cc: freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 Message-Id: <20020118132054.0a8a7153.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> In-Reply-To: <20020118123709.S97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> References: <20020118123549.29986c29.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> <20020118123709.S97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> Organization: HEXANET Sarl X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386--freebsd4.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:41:48 +0100 (CET) Harti Brandt wrote: > Well, I would like to, but my feeling is, that there is nobody in the > comitter team, who cares much about ATM. For the beginning I release it > as a source package for -current. Porting it to -stable would probably > possible, but not easy, because netgraph has evolved alot. > > I'm just finishing the CLIP module and the SNMP daemon. When this is > ready, I'm going to make a first release. Well I am a it wary of using -current system in a production environment this is why I suggested -stable or -release And to answer Taavi Talvik's comments , I think it is a catch 22 situation there can only be more supported hardware if people use ATM in FreeBSD and they can only use it if there are more hardware supported. The reason is simple IMHO, many people will look at what IS currently supported under FreeBSD in order to purchase adequate hardware. Of course I am talking about users and not develloper ,because not every user of FreeBSD is also a develloper. -- =================================================================== Christophe Prevotaux Email: c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr HEXANET SARL URL: http://www.hexanet.fr/ =================================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 4:25: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (mailhub.fokus.gmd.de [193.174.154.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBD937B402 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:24:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from beagle (beagle [193.175.132.100]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ICOqR16144; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:24:52 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:24:52 +0100 (CET) From: Harti Brandt To: Taavi Talvik Cc: Christophe =?ISO-8859-1?B?UHLpdm90YXV4?= , Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020118132130.D97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Taavi Talvik wrote: TT>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Harti Brandt wrote: TT> TT>> CP>Are you going to integrate it in FreeBSD distribution (release or stable) ? that would be handy. TT>> CP>Since I am going to buy such card anyday now :) TT>> TT>> Well, I would like to, but my feeling is, that there is nobody in the TT>> comitter team, who cares much about ATM. For the beginning I release it TT>> as a source package for -current. Porting it to -stable would probably TT>> possible, but not easy, because netgraph has evolved alot. TT>> TT>> I'm just finishing the CLIP module and the SNMP daemon. When this is TT>> ready, I'm going to make a first release. TT> TT>Probably there will be more interest in ATM, when more hardware drivers TT>will be available. TT> TT>I have got efficient 3060 ADSL card working (still very much work in TT>progress) with NATM and planning to redisign driver for netgraph support. TT>NATM is not very usefull in todays environment with pppoe/pppoatm/clip/.. TT>mix. That would actually be easy. My own drivers (for PCA200 and 155HE) are NATM drivers with three additional ioctl added (to get the QoS values down to the driver) and a couple of ng hooks that hook into ng_atm. From ng_atm you can go to whatever other netgraph module you want. If you don't need signalling (only PVCs), you are done. If you need signalling, well, you need all the other netgraph modules (ng_sscop, ng_uni, ng_ccatm, ...). If you are interested I can send you the drivers and ng_atm to have a look at. harti -- harti brandt, http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.brandt/private brandt@fokus.fhg.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 4:27:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (mailhub.fokus.gmd.de [193.174.154.14]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070B137B400 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:27:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from beagle (beagle [193.175.132.100]) by mailhub.fokus.gmd.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ICRLR17005; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:27:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:27:21 +0100 (CET) From: Harti Brandt To: Christophe =?ISO-8859-1?B?UHLpdm90YXV4?= Cc: freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 In-Reply-To: <20020118132054.0a8a7153.c.prevotaux@hexanet.fr> Message-ID: <20020118132556.A97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Christophe [ISO-8859-1] Pr=E9votaux wrote: CP>On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:41:48 +0100 (CET) CP>Harti Brandt wrote: CP> CP>> Well, I would like to, but my feeling is, that there is nobody in the CP>> comitter team, who cares much about ATM. For the beginning I release i= t CP>> as a source package for -current. Porting it to -stable would probably CP>> possible, but not easy, because netgraph has evolved alot. CP>> CP>> I'm just finishing the CLIP module and the SNMP daemon. When this is CP>> ready, I'm going to make a first release. CP> CP>Well I am a it wary of using -current system in a production environment CP>this is why I suggested -stable or -release It can be backported, but it will not be easy. I'm not aware of using something which is principially not in -stable. harti --=20 harti brandt, http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/cats/employees/hartmut.br= andt/private brandt@fokus.fhg.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-atm Fri Jan 18 4:37: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-atm@freebsd.org Received: from valu.uninet.ee (valu.uninet.ee [194.204.34.51]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F5B37B404 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:36:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by valu.uninet.ee (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 9883C36402; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:36:54 +0200 (EET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by valu.uninet.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9533832619; Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:36:54 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:36:54 +0200 (EET) From: Taavi Talvik To: Harti Brandt Cc: Christophe =?ISO-8859-1?B?UHLpdm90YXV4?= , freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD, Fore and VPI>0 In-Reply-To: <20020118132130.D97177-100000@beagle.fokus.gmd.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-atm@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Harti Brandt wrote: > That would actually be easy. My own drivers (for PCA200 and 155HE) are > NATM drivers with three additional ioctl added (to get the QoS values down > to the driver) and a couple of ng hooks that hook into ng_atm. From ng_atm > you can go to whatever other netgraph module you want. If you don't need > signalling (only PVCs), you are done. If you need signalling, well, you > need all the other netgraph modules (ng_sscop, ng_uni, ng_ccatm, ...). > > If you are interested I can send you the drivers and ng_atm to have a look > at. No, there is no need for signalling. Typical home DSL connections don't need any signalling. ISPs typically just set up 1-2 statically configured PVC's and various encapsulation over that. PVC autodiscovery would be nice, but that is not exactly signalling. best regards, taavi To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-atm" in the body of the message