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Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from may.priocom.com (may.priocom.com [213.156.65.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC2243E13 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2002 20:47:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perl@ukrpost.net) Received: (qmail 3771 invoked from network); 1 Jul 2002 03:44:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tower) ([193.193.195.238]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Jul 2002 03:44:16 -0000 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:45:56 +0300 From: Andrew X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Reply-To: Andrew X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <129139779161.20020701064556@ukrpost.net> To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: GPL, BSD, Artistic license MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello All. Can anyone explain me some points of GPL. What if I develop application that doesn't use any GPL/LGPL libraries. I want to make it available under GPL. The software package is fully functional and distributed in source codes. I offer the software with support and installation for some fee. There are optional add-ons: windows client developed with another free compiler and web administration tool developed in Perl (or PHP). I want to distribute those add-ons on commercial basis only. The main package contains some code, required for addons. Is that conforms to GPL (and Artistic license for Perl module)? What if there will be two versions of main package available: Lite (GPL, no code for addons) and Pro (commercial, addons and appropriate code in main package included)?? And now the same questions for BSD license. Thanks in advance. -- Yours sincerely, Andrew mailto:perl@ukrpost.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 1: 9:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009F337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web15003.mail.bjs.yahoo.com (web15003.mail.bjs.yahoo.com [61.135.128.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 206F943E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 01:09:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from hwtang_nudt@yahoo.com.cn) Message-ID: <20020701080921.2793.qmail@web15003.mail.bjs.yahoo.com> Received: from [218.76.14.191] by web15003.mail.bjs.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 16:09:21 CST Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 16:09:21 +0800 (CST) From: =?gb2312?q?tang=20tommy?= Subject: linux binary compatibility To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org would any one can give me some information about the design and implementation of linux binary compatibility? thanks a lot! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 银行巨头聚会中原 大浪淘‘金’谁将笑傲 http://sweepstakes.yahoo.com/bank_surveywave2/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 4:10:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B5337B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www4.cws.net (www4.cws.net [63.85.211.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAECB43E09 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 04:10:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@www4.cws.net) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by www4.cws.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id GAA11573; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:10:36 -0500 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 06:10:36 -0500 Message-Id: <200207011110.GAA11573@www4.cws.net> To: chat@freebsd.org From: vegasweekly@aol.com Subject: Your Gaming website Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Just dropping an email to invite you to join our Gaming Site Banner Exchange. 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Thanks, Jim VegasWeekly.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- To be unsubscribed from the mailing list simply click on the link below http://www.vegasweekly.com/cgi-local/smpro/s.pl?r=1&l=28&e=chat=:freebsd.org This mailing proudly powered by Subscribe Me(TM) Professional http://www.subscribemepro.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 18:29:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6101937B401 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kramer.thekramers.net (dsl092-068-235.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.68.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD8743E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 18:29:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from david@thekramers.net) Received: from localhost (david@localhost) by kramer.thekramers.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g621T5u09322; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:29:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:29:04 -0400 (EDT) From: David Kramer To: Andrew Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GPL, BSD, Artistic license In-Reply-To: <129139779161.20020701064556@ukrpost.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Andrew wrote: > Hello All. > > Can anyone explain me some points of GPL. What if I develop > application that doesn't use any GPL/LGPL libraries. I want to make it > available under GPL. The software package is fully functional and > distributed in source codes. I offer the software with support and > installation for some fee. There are optional add-ons: windows client > developed with another free compiler and web administration tool > developed in Perl (or PHP). I want to distribute those add-ons on > commercial basis only. The main package contains some code, required > for addons. Is that conforms to GPL (and Artistic license for Perl > module)? What if there will be two versions of main package available: > Lite (GPL, no code for addons) and Pro (commercial, addons and > appropriate code in main package included)?? > > And now the same questions for BSD license. My LUG had a meeting on this topic about a year ago. It's is open for interpretation, not cut and dry. My understanding of the situation, is that: A is GPL software B can be non-GPL if it calls A like an external runtime library or connects to it with TCP/IP or reads its output or anything like that. The problem is when B reqires A to compile. In this case B must be GPL. Of course, since _all_ the source code of A is GPL, if B needs any part of A to compile, B must be GPL. The way around this is to remove the common part into a third library, so A, which is GPL, requires C, which is not. That's fine. B, which is not GPL, requires c, which is also not. That's fine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DDDD David Kramer david@thekramers.net http://thekramers.net DK KD DKK D Python is executable pseudocode DK KD Perl is executable line noise DDDD Bruce Eckel To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 21:14:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64BD837B48E for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A11643E0A for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 21:14:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from user-38ldm99.dialup.mindspring.com ([209.86.217.41] helo=earthlink.net) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17PF32-00026f-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 00:13:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3D212886.1080003@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 21:13:58 -0700 From: Lawrence Sica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020529 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Kramer Cc: Andrew , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GPL, BSD, Artistic license References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kramer wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Andrew wrote: > > >>Hello All. >> >> Can anyone explain me some points of GPL. What if I develop >>application that doesn't use any GPL/LGPL libraries. I want to make it >>available under GPL. The software package is fully functional and >>distributed in source codes. I offer the software with support and >>installation for some fee. There are optional add-ons: windows client >>developed with another free compiler and web administration tool >>developed in Perl (or PHP). I want to distribute those add-ons on >>commercial basis only. The main package contains some code, required >>for addons. Is that conforms to GPL (and Artistic license for Perl >>module)? What if there will be two versions of main package available: >>Lite (GPL, no code for addons) and Pro (commercial, addons and >>appropriate code in main package included)?? >> >> And now the same questions for BSD license. > > > My LUG had a meeting on this topic about a year ago. It's is open for > interpretation, not cut and dry. My understanding of the situation, is > that: > A is GPL software > > B can be non-GPL if it calls A like an external runtime library or > connects to it with TCP/IP or reads its output or anything like that. > > The problem is when B reqires A to compile. In this case B must be GPL. > Of course, since _all_ the source code of A is GPL, if B needs any part of > A to compile, B must be GPL. > > The way around this is to remove the common part into a third library, so > A, which is GPL, requires C, which is not. That's fine. > B, which is not GPL, requires c, which is also not. That's fine. > Some things also to consider, no one really even knows if the GPL will truly stand up in court. So it may not even be enforceable As for the BSDL. BSDL is very simple, its free to use, it just needs to retain the copyright clause. that is the BSDL'd code needs it. As for which is better heh, well that coms down to religion in many cases ;) HTH --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Jul 1 22:40: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C16F37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF7143E09 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:40:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17PGO9-0003p5-00; Mon, 01 Jul 2002 22:39:45 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 22:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Andrew Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GPL, BSD, Artistic license In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, David Kramer wrote: > On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Andrew wrote: > > > Hello All. > > > > Can anyone explain me some points of GPL. What if I develop > > application that doesn't use any GPL/LGPL libraries. I want to make it Andrew, have a look in the archives for this list. This has been discussed many times. But see my comments below too. > > available under GPL. The software package is fully functional and Why? > > distributed in source codes. I offer the software with support and > > installation for some fee. There are optional add-ons: windows client > > developed with another free compiler and web administration tool > > developed in Perl (or PHP). I want to distribute those add-ons on > > commercial basis only. The main package contains some code, required > > for addons. Is that conforms to GPL (and Artistic license for Perl > > module)? What if there will be two versions of main package available: > > Lite (GPL, no code for addons) and Pro (commercial, addons and > > appropriate code in main package included)?? If you own the copyright, then you may choose to provide your commercial software. But note that if you have made it GPL'd, then someone may take your free "Lite" version to build their own version to compete with your commercial version. > > And now the same questions for BSD license. You can do with it as you want. You can sell the binary and don't have to provide the source. Anyways, since the code isn't based on any GPL'd (or LGPL'd) code, then the GPL doesn't matter. > My LUG had a meeting on this topic about a year ago. It's is open for > interpretation, not cut and dry. My understanding of the situation, is > that: > A is GPL software > > B can be non-GPL if it calls A like an external runtime library or > connects to it with TCP/IP or reads its output or anything like that. > > The problem is when B reqires A to compile. In this case B must be GPL. Depends on definition of "requires". If it uses the source then the viral nature takes over. But if is some build tool, then it doesn't matter. > Of course, since _all_ the source code of A is GPL, if B needs any part of > A to compile, B must be GPL. Not necessarily true. If the code had some prior license, you can always chop out that particular code again. (Just make sure it is documented and attributed correctly.) > The way around this is to remove the common part into a third library, so > A, which is GPL, requires C, which is not. That's fine. > B, which is not GPL, requires c, which is also not. That's fine. Many GPL lovers would disagree. (As with the Linux kernel, third-party, non-source-available, commercial modules are okay, because the copyright owner publically said this is okay in an archived email. It is not clear in the license included with the kernel source though.) These A's, B's and C's are confusing. I am tired from long day visiting San Juan Islands in Washington -- so maybe that is why :) Back to Andrew: Maybe consider using a short and simple license that is easy-to-understand and encourages others to want to use and help develop your code. Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 0:40:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA2237B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from may.priocom.com (may.priocom.com [213.156.65.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8919A43E2F for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 00:40:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perl@ukrpost.net) Received: (qmail 23120 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 07:37:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tower) ([193.193.195.120]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Jul 2002 07:37:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:39:51 +0300 From: Andrew X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.60q) Reply-To: Andrew X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <16333408538.20020702103951@ukrpost.net> To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re[2]: GPL, BSD, Artistic license In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello Jeremy. Tuesday, July 2, 2002, 8:39:45 AM, you wrote: >> Can anyone explain me some points of GPL. What if I develop >> application that doesn't use any GPL/LGPL libraries. I want to make >> it available under GPL. The software package is fully functional and JCR> Why? Well, since I use hundreds of free packages I want to make my software available for other as well. At the time I don't want someone to steal it. As far as I understand, if the software is GPL'd no one can distribute modifications without notice about my authorship and no one can distribute it non-GPL'd, not providing [modified] sources. I understand that someone can extend my software and compete with me but they will only have success if their software will be better then mine. That's ok, *NIX community only wins from that. You may ask me why not to make it completely free. Well, receiving some money for the software I'll be able to keep working on it, port it to Net/OpenBSD, may be even Linux. Using BSDL for "Lite" package and providing "Pro" package under another license seems to be ok. However in this case some big company with well-known brand can modify my software and their modification will be worse then original. But they'll have more success because of it's brand and striking box. By the way, I heard on Zdnet that micro$oft uses some code from FreeBSD in their w2k. How did they do that? I've never seen BSD copyright notice in w2k. I thought BSDL applies to modified software even if it's distributed in binary forms. JCR> If you own the copyright, then you may choose to provide your commercial JCR> software. The main question is if it's ok to provide two packages of the same software, one GPL'd and other on commercial basis. I didn't found that in GPL text. JCR> Back to Andrew: Maybe consider using a short and simple license that is JCR> easy-to-understand and encourages others to want to use and help develop JCR> your code. That seems to be best solution, although I'm not lawyer and can make some bugs in my license. Another (probably stupid) question. Is GPL text copyrighted? Can I take GPL text, change couple lines there and say that this is my own ANDYLICENSE? -- Yours sincerely, Andrew mailto:perl@ukrpost.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 1:59:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540D437B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 01:59:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyber.miem.edu.ru (cyber.miem.edu.ru [194.226.32.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBFD143E09 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 01:59:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rezdm@cyber.miem.edu.ru) Received: from cyber (cyber [193.125.254.102]) by cyber.miem.edu.ru (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA07157 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:59:02 +0400 (MSD) (envelope-from rezdm@cyber.miem.edu.ru) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:59:02 +0400 (MSD) From: "Dmitriy M. Reznitskiy" X-Sender: rezdm@cyber To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: FreeBSD 1.1.5.1-Release Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello. If someone wants to download this first release, http://cyber.miem.edu.ru/~rezdm/disk2/1.1.5.1-RELEASE.tgz To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 2:39:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2B637B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gate21.fw.porsche.de (gate23.fw.porsche.de [193.174.9.99]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CB7E243E09 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 02:39:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perisa@porsche.de) Received: (qmail 8164 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 09:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wuxin011.ibd.porsche.de) (141.36.65.1) by 193.197.149.150 with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 09:43:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 28670 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 09:39:26 -0000 Received: from wuxws007.ibd.porsche.de (HELO porsche.de) (141.36.2.178) by smtp4cli.ibd.porsche.de with SMTP; 2 Jul 2002 09:39:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3D217538.9050508@porsche.de> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:41:12 +0200 From: Marc Perisa User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc3) Gecko/20020523 X-Accept-Language: en, de-de, es-es MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brett Glass Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Low-volume list References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020701210911.022a3650@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20020701210911.022a3650@localhost> <4.3.2.7.2.20020702021318.00d4d740@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Brett Glass wrote: >At 10:59 PM 7/1/2002, Michael Bryan wrote: > > > >>Yeah, you're right! Too bad the FreeBSD team never thought of that!!! >> >>Oh wait, they did, years ago, explaining why one of my mail folders >>contains -only- FreeBSD security announcements: >> >>http://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#ml >> >>Sheesh. RTFM. (RTFWP?) >> >> > >CFTFWP (Couldn't find the fine Web page), I guess. > >In any event, most people seem to believe that -security is the >low volume list. If that's not its charter, then why all the >complaints when there is (horrors!) a discussion? > >--Brett > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-security" in the body of the message > > Because the most discussions you start are _not_ _technical_. They are political. And that does not belong to the security list (like stated _clearly_ in the charter). Like this thread. If you had done your homework (that means: reading the web page and/or the handbook) you wouldn't even have started THIS thread. You are not a newbie. You call yourself a professional administrator and programmer. So act like one: Read the documentation. You are not a newbie and while you are advocating to be much more security aware (that would be nice) you mostly only talk. But as pointed out before: We all here are volunteers. So, volunteer. Think about a process and implementing it. Without losing stability - which is the main concern of FreeBSD. If you want something done - DO it. Like you did some weeks ago when you put up the binary distribution against a bug (which contained errors - you are seeing how hard these things are to get correct, aren't you?). Keep that way up, working up your ideas, providing something additional to the offical way, fully functional - and IF it become famous enough surely it will be integrated. But yelling at people who do the work patching FreeBSD and trying to keep up with the evil guys, will NOT help you nor anybody else. It will only upset people who are working hard in their spare time. And we will probably losing them - since they don't think that getting bashed was the fun they wanted to have. Try to show them something they can look at. That they can use. That they can give you credit for. I don't know if you use commercial software from vendors like HP, Oracle, IBM ... . I have to at work. And right now, THREE WEEKS AFTER the Apache bug, some vendors HAVEN't even DECIDED to patch it (like Oracle *sigh*). You were talking about that commercial vendors got things right. They don't. In most cases. Why are you answering to someone who didn't get the web page with the reference right (the only one out of four that answered you via the list)? Why are you not answering the others? Only to show them their errors? We all are human. We all make errors. Why did you argue about BIND 8.2.6 not being patched against the proof that it was patched? And changed your argumentation after that BIND 9.x is still not patched? After it was said? Can you not say "Oh, I was wrong." I never saw that on a mailinglist. You are answering questions in a professional manner. Most times. But sometimes you can not confess that you were wrong. Then you act like a child who did not get what it want. Please stop that. That is what is unnerving most people. Your help with providing a binary patchset was a step in the right direction. If you continue it and do it in a way that is flexible and/or simple enough (you set the priorities) for the most of the "unexperienced" / "lazy" / freebsd users that will convice people in the long time. But continue DOING it. Not arguing about that you don't have the power to change anything. People had used your binaries. But first they were flawky. You corrected this. Develop a process for setting up patched binaries which will work on -RELEASE systems. Or provide the security officer with feedback upon binary updates - they had already thought about a process. I was once willing to help - when I read your quest for the first times. But your ranting about the same thing with the same arguments everytime again without having worked on it in the meantime is pissing me off (sorry for the harsh words - but that is the fact) . If you want to work on a "light-weight" release process (and that it will be) i AM willing to help. Why a "light-weight" release process? Imagine a remote exploitable bug in KDE and/or GNOME. After you have patched/updated the binary package you have to do a full QA on all (or the most) applications using that framework. That is quite time consuming. You will only have to do it for the applications which are affected - but to figure this out will also consume a lot of time. If you want some help (yes, i AM offering you that i sleep less than i even do now) i am willing. I can provide webspace, a code repository and some traffic for the framework. Ups, now I spend half an hour on that mail. Now I will go back to build that giant OpenSSH binary distribution of ours for Linux, FreeBSD, HP/UX, AIX, IRIX, ... in 32- and 64-Bit to get the rest of the framework for future "throw one package to all machines"-OpenSSH bugs. Marc PS: Brett, if you not answer you won't get help. PPS: I just learned that I should polish my english. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 5:36:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC3D37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (12-233-156-170.client.attbi.com [12.233.156.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C9E43E09 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:36:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das@HAL9000.wox.org) Received: from HAL9000.wox.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g62CadFZ002500; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:36:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from das@HAL9000.wox.org) Received: (from das@localhost) by HAL9000.wox.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g62CacAH002499; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:36:37 -0700 From: David Schultz To: Andrew Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: GPL, BSD, Artistic license Message-ID: <20020702123637.GA2389@HAL9000.wox.org> Mail-Followup-To: Andrew , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <16333408538.20020702103951@ukrpost.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16333408538.20020702103951@ukrpost.net> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Thus spake Andrew : [snip topic that's bound to start another flamewar] > > By the way, I heard on Zdnet that micro$oft uses some code from > FreeBSD in their w2k. How did they do that? I've never seen BSD > copyright notice in w2k. I thought BSDL applies to modified software > even if it's distributed in binary forms. > Microsoft has been lifting BSDL'd code for years, although they don't always `remember' to say so in their release notes. They usually mangle the attribution somehow, by using their own wording for the license, or putting the license in one place and the copyright in another (see link below). At least they're not as bad as Red Hat with other people's intellectual property. http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q306819#10 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 5:45:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A2B37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from b.mx.canon.com.au (bexfield.research.canon.com.au [203.12.172.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C43343E32 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 05:45:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from iain.templeton@cisra.canon.com.au) Received: from bellmann.research.canon.com.au (canonex.research.canon.com.au [203.12.172.254]) by b.mx.canon.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFC81AC713; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:45:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from research.canon.com.au (paque.research.canon.com.au [10.11.1.83]) by bellmann.research.canon.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C8148B19; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:43:50 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: Ishtek MeeMail 2.45 In-Reply-To: <20020702123637.GA2389@HAL9000.wox.org> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 22:45:52 +1000 From: Iain Templeton Subject: Re: GPL, BSD, Artistic license To: David Schultz , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: Andrew Message-Id: <20020702124350.4C8148B19@bellmann.research.canon.com.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You wrote: >Thus spake Andrew : >[snip topic that's bound to start another flamewar] > >> >> By the way, I heard on Zdnet that micro$oft uses some code from >> FreeBSD in their w2k. How did they do that? I've never seen BSD >> copyright notice in w2k. I thought BSDL applies to modified software >> even if it's distributed in binary forms. >> > >Microsoft has been lifting BSDL'd code for years, although they >don't always `remember' to say so in their release notes. They >usually mangle the attribution somehow, by using their own wording >for the license, or putting the license in one place and the >copyright in another (see link below). At least they're not as >bad as Red Hat with other people's intellectual property. > >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q306819#10 > Wow, even a FreeBSD committer has had their own code used in WindowsXP, and been directly acknowledged. Iain To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 6: 0:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AC537B401 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DBF43E3B for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 06:00:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g62D0H106940; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:00:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g62D0Hk00381; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:00:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g62D0E500374; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:00:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D21A3DE.611B36A4@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 08:00:14 -0500 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Iain Templeton Cc: David Schultz , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: GPL, BSD, Artistic license References: <20020702124350.4C8148B19@bellmann.research.canon.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Iain Templeton wrote: > >http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q306819#10 > > > > Wow, even a FreeBSD committer has had their own code used in WindowsXP, > and been directly acknowledged. Even more impressive, is the list of people that have had their code used in FreeBSD, and are acknowledged on the FreeBSD website. An impressive group of people. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology He who laughs last didn't get the joke. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 8: 2: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 533B837B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clink.schulte.org (clink.schulte.org [209.134.156.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DD643E13 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:01:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schulte+freebsd@nospam.schulte.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538B1243F7 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:01:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from schulte-laptop.nospam.schulte.org (nb-65.netbriefings.com [209.134.134.65]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68204243C2 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:01:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020702095843.046ebe40@pop3s.schulte.org> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 10:01:43 -0500 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Christopher Schulte Subject: FREEBSDMALL.COM dns issues .. ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre6 on clink.schulte.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is anyone else having problems resolving anything in the FREEBSDMALL.COM zone? I can't get a valid DNS answer from any of their servers: # dig @a.gtld-servers.net FREEBSDMALL.COM ns NS1.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 66.220.2.194 NS2.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 65.84.64.228 NS3.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 63.104.50.230 -- Christopher Schulte http://www.schulte.org/ Do not un-munge my @nospam.schulte.org email address. This address is valid. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 9:18:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E95FC37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clink.schulte.org (clink.schulte.org [209.134.156.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6208A43E09 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:18:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schulte+freebsd@nospam.schulte.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD91243CF for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:18:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from schulte-laptop.nospam.schulte.org (nb-65.netbriefings.com [209.134.134.65]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A4B243C2 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:18:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020702111646.04125410@pop3s.schulte.org> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 11:18:25 -0500 To: chat@freebsd.org From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: FREEBSDMALL.COM dns issues .. ? In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020702095843.046ebe40@pop3s.schulte.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre6 on clink.schulte.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 10:01 AM 7/2/2002 -0500, I wrote: >Is anyone else having problems resolving anything in the FREEBSDMALL.COM zone? > >I can't get a valid DNS answer from any of their servers: Followup: I can now resolve FREEBSDMALL.COM. The issue looks to have been resolved on their side. -- Christopher Schulte http://www.schulte.org/ Do not un-munge my @nospam.schulte.org email address. This address is valid. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 14: 7: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B870837B7AE for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 14:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-relay1.yahoo.com (mail-relay1.yahoo.com [216.145.48.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A7044D5A for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:36:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (12-234-90-219.client.attbi.com [12.234.90.219]) by mail-relay1.yahoo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34798B5E6; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3D220ED5.93FA2483@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 13:36:37 -0700 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Schulte Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@FREEBSDMALL.COM, hostmaster@freebsdmall.com Subject: Re: FREEBSDMALL.COM dns issues .. ? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020702095843.046ebe40@pop3s.schulte.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christopher Schulte wrote: > > Is anyone else having problems resolving anything in the FREEBSDMALL.COM zone? > > I can't get a valid DNS answer from any of their servers: > > # dig @a.gtld-servers.net FREEBSDMALL.COM ns > > NS1.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 66.220.2.194 > NS2.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 65.84.64.228 > NS3.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 63.104.50.230 They have some rather icky dns problems: Checking serials for freebsdmall.com in: ns1.freebsdmall.com Query to ns2.freebsdmall.com timed out Query to ns3.freebsdmall.com timed out Checking zone NS set against parent Query to ns2.freebsdmall.com timed out Query to ns3.freebsdmall.com timed out Error: parent has: ns1.freebsdmall.com ns2.freebsdmall.com ns3.freebsdmall.com But freebsdmall.com zone has: ns3.freebsdmall.com www.freebsdmall.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 15:17:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06BA337B408 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5488544051 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 15:10:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 14813 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2002 22:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 2 Jul 2002 22:07:01 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g62M6vM23285; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:06:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020702172653.GE67026@hades.hell.gr> Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 18:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/man/man9 spl.9 Cc: Warner Losh , chat@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 02-Jul-2002 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-07-01 15:08 +0000, Warner Losh wrote: >> imp 2002/07/01 15:08:43 PDT >> >> Modified files: >> share/man/man9 spl.9 >> Log: >> Document what splnet and splimp are in FreeBSD > > So splimp() doesn't mean "stop committing, until imp says ok" ? No, it _blocks_ imp from committing until the appropriate splx() allows him to interrupt normal progress in the tree again. :) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 17:38:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81CCA37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao04.cox.net (lakemtao04.cox.net [68.1.17.241]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D003E43E4E for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:38:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tech_info@threespace.com) Received: from vwinxp.threespace.com ([68.11.176.181]) by lakemtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020703003843.FXIP4949.lakemtao04.cox.net@vwinxp.threespace.com> for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:38:43 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20020702192841.01a1fdd8@threespace.com> X-Sender: tech@threespace.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 19:38:29 -0500 To: FreeBSD Chat From: Chip Morton Subject: Fast User Switching Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Windows XP introduced a new feature of Windows that allows a user to log out while leaving his current programs running in the background. Another user could then log on and use the computer normally while the first user's programs continue to run. Microsoft calls it fast user switching (or something like that). Q: What is the equivalent functionality on FreeBSD/UNIX systems? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 17:43:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2BC237B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF6C43E42 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:43:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 17PYEl-0004RZ-00; Tue, 02 Jul 2002 17:43:15 -0700 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Fast User Switching In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020702192841.01a1fdd8@threespace.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 2 Jul 2002, Chip Morton wrote: > Windows XP introduced a new feature of Windows that allows a user to log > out while leaving his current programs running in the background. Another > user could then log on and use the computer normally while the first user's > programs continue to run. Microsoft calls it fast user switching (or > something like that). > > Q: What is the equivalent functionality on FreeBSD/UNIX systems? You can log out while leaving apps running with VNC with X. Jeremy C. Reed http://www.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 17:46:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890CB37B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:46:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B354E43E3D for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 17:46:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 3ABC3534A; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:46:10 +0200 (CEST) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Fast User Switching References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020702192841.01a1fdd8@threespace.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: 03 Jul 2002 02:46:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20020702192841.01a1fdd8@threespace.com> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip Morton writes: > Q: What is the equivalent functionality on FreeBSD/UNIX systems? Nohup, disown, whatever. If you want to do it with processes that are (and need to be) attached to a tty, and be able to retrieve them later, use screen (from ports). If you want to do the same with X applications, use vnc or something similar to virtualize the X server, so you can reconnect when you log back on. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 19:19: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B955337B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655E943E46 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 19:19:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g632IsZL052988; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:48:56 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Subject: Re: Fast User Switching From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "Jeremy C. Reed" Cc: Chip Morton , FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.7 Date: 03 Jul 2002 11:48:54 +0930 Message-Id: <1025662737.62690.5.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.6 (www dot roaringpenguin dot com slash mimedefang) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 10:13, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > Q: What is the equivalent functionality on FreeBSD/UNIX systems? > > You can log out while leaving apps running with VNC with X. Feel the speed :) You can run more than one X server on a given machine - you need a substantial amount of RAM though. Hmm.. well I just tried it and it didn't work - I have done it though.. startx -- :1 -- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 9A8C 569F 685A D928 5140 AE4B 319B 41F4 5D17 FDD5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 21:17:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04DAA37B407 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D13A43E0A for ; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 25167 invoked from network); 3 Jul 2002 04:17:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 3 Jul 2002 04:17:21 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g634HKM24504; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:17:20 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1025662737.62690.5.camel@chowder.gsoft.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 00:17:27 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: "Daniel O'Connor" Subject: Re: Fast User Switching Cc: FreeBSD Chat , Chip Morton , "Jeremy C. Reed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 03-Jul-2002 Daniel O'Connor wrote: > On Wed, 2002-07-03 at 10:13, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: >> > Q: What is the equivalent functionality on FreeBSD/UNIX systems? >> >> You can log out while leaving apps running with VNC with X. > > Feel the speed :) > > You can run more than one X server on a given machine - you need a > substantial amount of RAM though. > > Hmm.. well I just tried it and it didn't work - I have done it though.. > > startx -- :1 It works fine, but you need to have a free vty for each X session. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Jul 2 22:35:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1286D37B400; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:35:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clink.schulte.org (clink.schulte.org [209.134.156.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB6043E3B; Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:35:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schulte+freebsd@nospam.schulte.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872DC243C2; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:35:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tandist.nospam.schulte.org (void.schulte.org [209.134.156.217]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9322E243C0; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 00:35:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020703003157.03362988@pop3s.schulte.org> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 00:35:47 -0500 To: Doug Barton , Christopher Schulte From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: FREEBSDMALL.COM dns issues .. ? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@FREEBSDMALL.COM, hostmaster@freebsdmall.com In-Reply-To: <3D220ED5.93FA2483@FreeBSD.org> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020702095843.046ebe40@pop3s.schulte.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre6 on clink.schulte.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 01:36 PM 7/2/2002 -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > NS1.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 66.220.2.194 > > NS2.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 65.84.64.228 > > NS3.FREEBSDMALL.COM. 2D IN A 63.104.50.230 > >They have some rather icky dns problems: Yah, that I see now. NS1 gives answers with the authority bit set serial 2002040101, NS2 is lame, and ns3 now times out for me. Probably an oversight or some kind of maintenance, but if any of you folks at freebsdmall.com need any kind of dns service, drop me a line. I'd be more than happy to act as a slave. I anxiously await the arrival of my cd set! -- Christopher Schulte http://www.schulte.org/ Do not un-munge my @nospam.schulte.org email address. This address is valid. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 3 2:33:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA4C37B400; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wolfbert.skynet.be (wolfbert.skynet.be [195.238.3.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B59243E64; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 02:33:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from durendal.skynet.be (durendal.skynet.be [195.238.3.91]) by wolfbert.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-FALLBACK-2.20) with ESMTP id g639Hqk16136; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:17:53 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Received: from [10.0.1.10] (ip-27.shub-internet.org [194.78.144.27] (may be forged)) by durendal.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.19) with ESMTP id g639H1H18451; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:17:01 +0200 (MET DST) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20020703003157.03362988@pop3s.schulte.org> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020702095843.046ebe40@pop3s.schulte.org> <5.1.1.6.2.20020703003157.03362988@pop3s.schulte.org> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:16:39 +0200 To: Christopher Schulte , Doug Barton From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: FREEBSDMALL.COM dns issues .. ? Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, rab@FREEBSDMALL.COM, hostmaster@freebsdmall.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:35 AM -0500 2002/07/03, Christopher Schulte wrote: >>They have some rather icky dns problems: > > Yah, that I see now. Yup, they're pretty badly screwed up: DNS Expert Detailed Report for freebsdmall.com. 7/3/02, 11:14 AM, using the analysis setting "Thorough" ====================================================================== Information ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Serial number: 2002040101 Primary name server: ns1.freebsdmall.com. Primary mail server: mail.freebsdmall.com. Number of records: N/A Errors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o The server "ns2.freebsdmall.com." did not reply The server "ns2.freebsdmall.com." did not reply when it was queried for the name "freebsdmall.com.". This indicates that the server is not running, or it is currently unreachable. o The server "ns3.freebsdmall.com." did not reply The server "ns3.freebsdmall.com." did not reply when it was queried for the name "freebsdmall.com.". This indicates that the server is not running, or it is currently unreachable. o The name server "ns1.freebsdmall.com." is only listed in delegation data The server "ns1.freebsdmall.com." is listed as being authoritative for the zone according to the delegation data, but there is no NS record for that server in the zone data. Delegation data and zone data should always match. o An MX record for "freebsdmall.com." refers to "mail.freebsdmall.com." which is a CNAME record An MX record in the zone "freebsdmall.com." refers to the mail server "mail.freebsdmall.com." The record "mail.freebsdmall.com." is a CNAME record, not an A record. o Only one of your name servers has authoritative data for the zone. The server "ns1.freebsdmall.com." is the only server that has authoritative data for the zone. If this server becomes unavailable, your domain will become inaccessible. Warnings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- o The zone contains more than one authoritative name server with the same IP address The name servers "www.freebsdmall.com." and "ns1.freebsdmall.com.", which are authoritative for "freebsdmall.com.", have the same IP address (66.220.2.194). o The name server "ns1.freebsdmall.com." does not permit zone transfers The name server "ns1.freebsdmall.com." has been configured to reject unauthorized zone transfers and the application will not be able to use data from this server while analyzing the zone. o Zone transfer from authoritative servers not possible It was not possible to perform a zone transfer from any of the authoritative name servers for the zone. This will limit the range of tests performed for the zone. o The Expire field in the SOA record contains an unusually high value The value 8640000 of the Expire field in the SOA record is unusually high. The value for this field should be within the range 86400 - 3600000. o There is only one MX record in the zone The zone contains only one MX record. This will cause mail delivery problems if the primary mail server becomes unavailable. For safety purposes, there should be two or more mail servers for every zone, the extra mail servers being used as backup (secondary) servers for the primary server. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- end of report -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 3 7: 5: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4984D37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (office.netstyle.com.ua [213.186.199.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46EAB43E31 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g63E4c25036182 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:04:54 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g63E4chc036181 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:04:38 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:04:38 +0300 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: uaFUG -- Ukrainian (.ua) FreeBSD User Group Message-ID: <20020703140438.GA4089@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, I'm glad to announce new (actually ~2 months old :>) local FreeBSD user community, uaFUG. * Who we are? This group was created May 15, 2002 by me and there are more than 100 members in it for now. All of them are somehow involved in dealing with FreeBSD. Main directions of group are: o Advocating FreeBSD in Ukraine; o Helping Ukrainian FreeBSD users in resolving questions and troubles related to using FreeBSD; o Increasing level of knowledge among Ukrainian IT-specialists and amateurs on advantages of using FreeBSD in real production environment. * What do we do? Regular meetings (once per 2-3 weeks) where we discussing different questions related to use of FreeBSD. Also, there is open mailing list to discuss those questions and coordinate Group. * How to join? Any man/woman, who interested in FreeBSD or have questions on it, is welcome to join us by subscribing to our mailing list by sending email with 'subscribe freebsd' in body to majordomo@FreeBSDdiary.org.ua. Main languages of maillist are Russian and Ukrainian, but almost all of members can understand/write English. -- NEVE-RIPE Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 3 7: 8:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD82E37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (office.netstyle.com.ua [213.186.199.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE4E43E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:08:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g63E8525036262 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:08:19 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g63E84qh036261 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:08:04 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:08:04 +0300 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uaFUG -- Ukrainian (.ua) FreeBSD User Group Message-ID: <20020703140804.GB4089@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20020703140438.GA4089@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020703140438.GA4089@nevermind.kiev.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Alexandr Kovalenko! On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 05:04:38PM +0300, you wrote: > I'm glad to announce new (actually ~2 months old :>) local FreeBSD user > community, uaFUG. I forgot to metion, uaFUG's website is http://www.uafug.org.ua/ > * Who we are? > > This group was created May 15, 2002 by me and there are more than 100 > members in it for now. All of them are somehow involved in dealing > with FreeBSD. > > Main directions of group are: > o Advocating FreeBSD in Ukraine; > o Helping Ukrainian FreeBSD users in resolving questions and troubles > related to using FreeBSD; > o Increasing level of knowledge among Ukrainian > IT-specialists and amateurs on advantages of using FreeBSD in real > production environment. > > * What do we do? > > Regular meetings (once per 2-3 weeks) where we discussing different > questions related to use of FreeBSD. Also, there is open mailing list to > discuss those questions and coordinate Group. > > * How to join? > > Any man/woman, who interested in FreeBSD or have questions on it, is > welcome to join us by subscribing to our mailing list by sending email > with 'subscribe freebsd' in body to majordomo@FreeBSDdiary.org.ua. > Main languages of maillist are Russian and Ukrainian, but almost all of > members can understand/write English. > > -- > NEVE-RIPE > Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group > http://uafug.org.ua/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- NEVE-RIPE Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 3 7:20:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18EA37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBD143E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:20:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g63EK3o67043 ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:20:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id QAA55191 ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:20:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 16:20:03 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Alexandr Kovalenko Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uaFUG -- Ukrainian (.ua) FreeBSD User Group Message-ID: <20020703162003.L39578@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020703140438.GA4089@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20020703140804.GB4089@nevermind.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020703140804.GB4089@nevermind.kiev.ua>; from never@nevermind.kiev.ua on Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 05:08:04PM +0300 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Alexandr Kovalenko said on Jul 3, 2002 at 17:08:04: > Hello, Alexandr Kovalenko! Is that how you normally greet yourself in emails? :-) - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Jul 3 7:30:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76FFF37B401 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:30:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (office.netstyle.com.ua [213.186.199.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5608443E09 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 07:30:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: from mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (never@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g63EUK25036711 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:30:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from never@mile.nevermind.kiev.ua) Received: (from never@localhost) by mile.nevermind.kiev.ua (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g63EUKHI036710 for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:30:20 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 17:30:20 +0300 From: Alexandr Kovalenko To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: uaFUG -- Ukrainian (.ua) FreeBSD User Group Message-ID: <20020703143020.GA36390@nevermind.kiev.ua> References: <20020703140438.GA4089@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20020703140804.GB4089@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20020703162003.L39578@lpt.ens.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020703162003.L39578@lpt.ens.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hello, Rahul Siddharthan! On Wed, Jul 03, 2002 at 04:20:03PM +0200, you wrote: > Alexandr Kovalenko said on Jul 3, 2002 at 17:08:04: > > Hello, Alexandr Kovalenko! > Is that how you normally greet yourself in emails? :-) At least it is not major disaster ;) -- NEVE-RIPE Ukrainian FreeBSD User Group http://uafug.org.ua/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 0:15: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673AE37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (adsl-64-173-3-158.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [64.173.3.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D636043E42 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:15:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Received: from adsl-64-173-15-99.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net (jkh@mango.freebsd.com [64.173.15.99]) by jkh-gw.queasyweasel.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g657Exvm030802 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:14:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jkh@queasyweasel.com) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:15:23 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v482) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: For those who haven't seen this classic bit of historical photography From: Jordan K Hubbard To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.482) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html -- Jordan K. Hubbard Engineering Manager, BSD technology group Apple Computer To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 0:40:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24EA637B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC42B43E09 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 00:40:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0150.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.150] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QNhd-0001Ks-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 03:40:30 -0400 Message-ID: <3D254CEC.F8A0DF31@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 00:38:20 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jordan K Hubbard Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: For those who haven't seen this classic bit of historical photography References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jordan K Hubbard wrote: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html Isn't the fourth guy from the right, staring off to the left, Scott Adams, the creator of "Dilbert"? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 1: 8:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9458237B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net (avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA9643E3B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:08:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0150.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.150] helo=mindspring.com) by avocet.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QO8F-0001UE-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 04:07:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3D255352.3FEBD1EA@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 01:05:38 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rahul Siddharthan Cc: Jordan K Hubbard , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: For those who haven't seen this classic bit of historical photography References: <3D254CEC.F8A0DF31@mindspring.com> <20020705094615.F47546@lpt.ens.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rahul Siddharthan wrote: > Terry Lambert said on Jul 5, 2002 at 00:38:20: > > Jordan K Hubbard wrote: > > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html > > > > Isn't the fourth guy from the right, staring off to the left, > > Scott Adams, the creator of "Dilbert"? > > This is Scott Adams: > http://www.centroatl.pt/edigest/dilbert/imagens/scott.jpg > > When you say "fourth from the right" are you including the hidden > figure in the background? If so, the fourth from the right (the third > from the right with a visible face) is Linus Torvalds, I think. > > Or is this one of your subtle American jokes? I'm including the partially hidden guy, AND it's one of my subtle American jokes. It's much funnier if you already get Jordan's subtle American joke in not having edited the pictures together... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 1:30: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE11C37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8114343E3B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 01:29:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id g657kGo90259 ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id JAA49277 ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:46:16 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 09:46:15 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Terry Lambert Cc: Jordan K Hubbard , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: For those who haven't seen this classic bit of historical photography Message-ID: <20020705094615.F47546@lpt.ens.fr> References: <3D254CEC.F8A0DF31@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3D254CEC.F8A0DF31@mindspring.com>; from tlambert2@mindspring.com on Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 12:38:20AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Terry Lambert said on Jul 5, 2002 at 00:38:20: > Jordan K Hubbard wrote: > > http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html > > Isn't the fourth guy from the right, staring off to the left, > Scott Adams, the creator of "Dilbert"? This is Scott Adams: http://www.centroatl.pt/edigest/dilbert/imagens/scott.jpg When you say "fourth from the right" are you including the hidden figure in the background? If so, the fourth from the right (the third from the right with a visible face) is Linus Torvalds, I think. Or is this one of your subtle American jokes? - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 11:58:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3D037B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:58:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.acecape.com (mail1.acecape.com [66.114.74.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C0543E09 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:58:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@natserv.com) Received: from p65-147.acedsl.com (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mail1.acecape.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g65IwInf023612 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:58:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:00:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Francisco Reyes X-X-Sender: fran@zoraida.natserv.net To: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Anyone using/knows of vilitas.com hosting? Message-ID: <20020705145852.T9374-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Today just bumped into vilista.com hosting. They use FreeBSD and sound very interesting "on paper". Wondering if anyone knows anything about them or has used them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 12:19:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4613937B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from clink.schulte.org (clink.schulte.org [209.134.156.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE53F43E31 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 12:19:28 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from schulte+freebsd@nospam.schulte.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90253243C2; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:19:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from tandist.nospam.schulte.org (void.schulte.org [209.134.156.217]) by clink.schulte.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4DA243C0; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 14:19:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705141835.03949ea0@pop3s.schulte.org> X-Sender: X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 14:19:23 -0500 To: Francisco Reyes , FreeBSD Chat List From: Christopher Schulte Subject: Re: Anyone using/knows of vilitas.com hosting? In-Reply-To: <20020705145852.T9374-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre6 on clink.schulte.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 03:00 PM 7/5/2002 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: >Today just bumped into vilista.com hosting. >They use FreeBSD and sound very interesting "on paper". >Wondering if anyone knows anything about them or has used them. # dig vilista.com any ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 4 -- Christopher Schulte http://www.schulte.org/ Do not un-munge my @nospam.schulte.org email address. This address is valid. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 15:42:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B48637B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:42:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C808243E3B for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 15:42:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0052.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.52] helo=mindspring.com) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17QbmD-0003Iq-00; Fri, 05 Jul 2002 18:42:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3D262098.ADAD271E@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 15:41:28 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Schulte Cc: Francisco Reyes , FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: Anyone using/knows of vilitas.com hosting? References: <5.1.1.6.2.20020705141835.03949ea0@pop3s.schulte.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Christopher Schulte wrote: > At 03:00 PM 7/5/2002 -0400, Francisco Reyes wrote: > >Today just bumped into vilista.com hosting. > >They use FreeBSD and sound very interesting "on paper". > >Wondering if anyone knows anything about them or has used them. > > # dig vilista.com any > > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 4 Use the spelling in the subject line, instead of the message body. -- It's FreeBSD-based, and appears to be an unprivilidged shared virtual domain hosting account on Apache+PHP. No, I've never used them. I would personally prefer a jail based hosting solution, but the IP address and compute resources need for that would probably have a higher per month price than what they appear to be charging. They appear to have a per month transfer limit, managed by web logs, so you would need to make sure you did not get slashdotted or otherwise end up running a high traffic site without a lot of legitimate traffic. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 19:22:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7666A37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E437F43E6D for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 19:22:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id EC05F81499; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:52:16 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 11:52:16 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jordan K Hubbard Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: For those who haven't seen this classic bit of historical photography Message-ID: <20020706022216.GB45874@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.99i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, 5 July 2002 at 0:15:23 -0700, Jordan K Hubbard wrote: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~marcone/bsdversuslinux.html FWIW, I was first pointed to this photo by some Linux people. They liked it too. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 21:15:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE26537B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from olmec.nighttide.net (jasper.nighttide.net [207.5.141.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA09143E09 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:15:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from darren@nighttide.net) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by olmec.nighttide.net (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g664FPjG089587 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:15:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from darren@nighttide.net) Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:15:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Darren Henderson To: FreeBSD Chat List Subject: Re: Anyone using/knows of vilitas.com hosting? In-Reply-To: <20020705145852.T9374-100000@zoraida.natserv.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Francisco Reyes wrote: > Today just bumped into vilista.com hosting. > They use FreeBSD and sound very interesting "on paper". > Wondering if anyone knows anything about them or has used them. It's nice to see another FreeBSD based service but for compentent, well managed, FreeBSD based web services pair.com is going to very tough to beat. ______________________________________________________________________ Darren Henderson darren@nighttide.net Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Jul 5 21:30:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D1637B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail19b.rapidsite.net (mail19b.rapidsite.net [161.58.134.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 95AD843E09 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 21:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rob@pythonemproject.com) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19b.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 068180269 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 00:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3D2671F1.E2821F69@pythonemproject.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2002 21:28:33 -0700 From: rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "chat@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Anyone using/knows of vilitas.com hosting? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Darren Henderson wrote: > > On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Francisco Reyes wrote: > > > Today just bumped into vilista.com hosting. > > They use FreeBSD and sound very interesting "on paper". > > Wondering if anyone knows anything about them or has used them. > > It's nice to see another FreeBSD based service but for compentent, well > managed, FreeBSD based web services pair.com is going to very tough to > beat. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Darren Henderson darren@nighttide.net > > Help fight junk e-mail, visit http://www.cauce.org/ > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message My site hosted at Verio. You get a choice of FreeBSD or MS IIS. Guess which one I chose? Verio gives a 99.9% uptime guarantee for FreeBSD, but no guarantee for IIS. Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Jul 6 12:56:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA5737B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spqr.osg.gov.bc.ca (spqr.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.102.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2246E43E3B for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:56:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca) Received: from passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (passer.osg.gov.bc.ca [142.32.110.29]) by spqr.osg.gov.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73009EE10 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cwsys.cwsent.com (cwsys2 [10.1.2.1]) by passer.osg.gov.bc.ca (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g66Ju7OX018396 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cy@cwsent.com) Received: from cwsys (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cwsys.cwsent.com (8.12.5/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g66Ju7fP005906 for ; Sat, 6 Jul 2002 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cy@cwsys.cwsent.com) Message-Id: <200207061956.g66Ju7fP005906@cwsys.cwsent.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 Reply-To: Cy Schubert - CITS Open Systems Group From: Cy Schubert - CITS Open Systems Group X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: The Strange Case of the Disappearing Open Source Vendors Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 12:56:07 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org A customer of mine sent me this URI. Interesting read. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2002/06/28/vendor.html -- Cheers, Phone: 250-387-8437 Cy Schubert Fax: 250-387-5766 Team Leader, Sun/Alpha Team Email: Cy.Schubert@osg.gov.bc.ca Open Systems Group, CITS Ministry of Management Services Province of BC FreeBSD UNIX: cy@FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message