From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 7:22:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5058437B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:22:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3950C43E75 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 07:22:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 9645F534E; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:22:44 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: MacOS 10.2 shell wanted From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 16:22:44 +0100 Message-ID: Lines: 7 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I need shell access to a Mac running MacOS 10.2 or newer with stock developer tools in order to compile and test the MacOS port of OpenPAM. Please respond by private email, not to the list. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 8: 5:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356F537B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58EA43E4A for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:05:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 57BFB1A951; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:05:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536001A947; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:05:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:05:39 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Soeren Schmidt Cc: Ronald G Minnich , <"."@babolo.ru>, David Nicholas Kayal , Subject: Re: Show me the light In-Reply-To: <200210272253.g9RMrs2G024315@spider.deepcore.dk> Message-ID: <20021028094516.I34529-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sending this one to -chat, since we're waxing nostalgic now... On Sun, 27 Oct 2002, Soeren Schmidt wrote: > Only the control signals are OC, the databits are tri state. > Actually, depending on how many databits one needs, the rest can be > used to provide a usable powersupply when they are set to '1'. I > use that for an 8chan AD converter that then fit into the parport > plug housing and no need for an external power supply. But beware > the current you can get this way is very limitted... Heh. Back when I had an 8086 XT and liked to listen to MODs and similar tracked music types, I built a very simple diode ladder DA converter that used the 8 output bits of the parallel port (9 output levels, so just slightly better than 3-bit resolution). Since it just used a few discrete diodes and resistors, it all fit inside the cover of the plug and had nothing but an RCA pigtail coming out of it that you could hook up to an amplifier. It at least sounded a LOT better than trying to get the output from the PC speaker. :-) Obviously we're talking millivolt signals here and it didn't need to pull more current than was required to drive the pre-amp of whatever amplifier you hooked it up to. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 8:28:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763A537B40F for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:28:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465FC43E4A for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 08:28:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 2FF32534E; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:28:16 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Chris Dillon Cc: Soeren Schmidt , Ronald G Minnich , <"."@babolo.ru>, David Nicholas Kayal , Subject: Re: Show me the light References: <20021028094516.I34529-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:28:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20021028094516.I34529-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> (Chris Dillon's message of "Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:05:39 -0600 (CST)") Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Dillon writes: > Heh. Back when I had an 8086 XT and liked to listen to MODs and > similar tracked music types, I built a very simple diode ladder DA > converter that used the 8 output bits of the parallel port (9 output > levels, so just slightly better than 3-bit resolution). Umm, if you do it right you get 8-bit (or 9-bit) mono. You're limited to ~10 kHz though. I have one of these babies lying around here somewhere; they were sold (ready-made and as kits) under the brand name Covox. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 9: 3:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681D437B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2C543E3B for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:03:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4F29F1A951; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:03:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AAE1A947; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:03:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:03:39 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Soeren Schmidt , Ronald G Minnich , <"."@babolo.ru>, David Nicholas Kayal , Subject: Re: Show me the light In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021028103905.T34529-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Chris Dillon writes: > > Heh. Back when I had an 8086 XT and liked to listen to MODs and > > similar tracked music types, I built a very simple diode ladder DA > > converter that used the 8 output bits of the parallel port (9 > > output levels, so just slightly better than 3-bit resolution). > > Umm, if you do it right you get 8-bit (or 9-bit) mono. You're > limited to ~10 kHz though. I have one of these babies lying around > here somewhere; they were sold (ready-made and as kits) under the > brand name Covox. Sure, if you use a _real_ PCM DAC you can get 8-bit or better resolution out of it, but not when you're just using a diode ladder. The diode ladder cares not about the value of the binary data, only that as you turn on more of those outputs, the total output voltage goes up (8 outputs used, so 9 output levels possible, 0-8). In other words, it isn't PCM, but I don't know what you'd call it. Ideally, you would want to map the 256 possible 8-bit values to one of the possible 9 levels you would get out of the diode ladder and turn bits on accordingly. One of the MOD players I had did exactly that for those of us with diode ladders. One time I just fed the thing the raw audio and you could make it out, but it was really scratchy. It is obviously inaccurate when you feed it PCM except in the most extreme cases (i.e., all-zeros and all-ones values give you exactly what you want, nothing or everything), but anything in-between doesn't. If, for example, you have a value of 10000000, on a PCM DAC you would get exactly half of your maximum output, but with the diode-ladder, you only get 1/8'th. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 9:54:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D0DD37B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:54:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (mail19a.dulles19-verio.com [161.58.134.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0988543E4A for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:54:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rob@pythonemproject.com) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 010943 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:47:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DBD77CE.5AEC57E3@pythonemproject.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:45:50 -0800 From: Rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: lists slowing down? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've only gotten about 30 messages total from current, stable, and chat this weekend. Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 9:57:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FE637B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:57:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49DD843E42 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 09:57:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 4E4E3534E; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:57:16 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Chris Dillon Cc: Soeren Schmidt , Ronald G Minnich , <"."@babolo.ru>, David Nicholas Kayal , Subject: Re: Show me the light References: <20021028103905.T34529-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 18:57:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20021028103905.T34529-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> (Chris Dillon's message of "Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:03:39 -0600 (CST)") Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chris Dillon writes: > On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Umm, if you do it right you get 8-bit (or 9-bit) mono. You're > > limited to ~10 kHz though. I have one of these babies lying around > > here somewhere; they were sold (ready-made and as kits) under the > > brand name Covox. > Sure, if you use a _real_ PCM DAC you can get 8-bit or better > resolution out of it You don't need a DAC, you just connect each data pin to the output through an appropriate resistor. Google for "covox schematics". DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 11: 3:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AA637B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE3943E97 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 11:03:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C46B41A951; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:03:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6C21A947; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:03:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:03:18 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Soeren Schmidt , Ronald G Minnich , <"."@babolo.ru>, David Nicholas Kayal , Subject: Re: Show me the light In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021028125820.I35504-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Chris Dillon writes: > > On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > > Umm, if you do it right you get 8-bit (or 9-bit) mono. You're > > > limited to ~10 kHz though. I have one of these babies lying around > > > here somewhere; they were sold (ready-made and as kits) under the > > > brand name Covox. > > Sure, if you use a _real_ PCM DAC you can get 8-bit or better > > resolution out of it > > You don't need a DAC, you just connect each data pin to the output > through an appropriate resistor. Google for "covox schematics". Right, I know, thats exactly what I made. I just realized I never had any diodes in the thing, just resistors. It was just a resistor ladder. You aren't getting 8-bit resolution out of that, though, and it is not a PCM DAC. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 13:33:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8690E37B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0114243E6E for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 13:33:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id F15AD1A951; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:33:15 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF681A947; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:33:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 15:33:15 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Soeren Schmidt , Ronald G Minnich , <"."@babolo.ru>, David Nicholas Kayal , Subject: Re: Show me the light In-Reply-To: <20021028125820.I35504-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> Message-ID: <20021028152422.E36084-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, 28 Oct 2002, Chris Dillon wrote: > > You don't need a DAC, you just connect each data pin to the output > > through an appropriate resistor. Google for "covox schematics". > > Right, I know, thats exactly what I made. I just realized I never > had any diodes in the thing, just resistors. It was just a resistor > ladder. You aren't getting 8-bit resolution out of that, though, > and it is not a PCM DAC. My own memory does me a dis-service. You're absolutely right, the way those resistor ladders are designed, you really do get a rough equivalent of an 8-bit PCM DAC. I forgot that I had used lower to higher resistances for the MSB through the LSB (respectively), which would do the trick just about right. For some reason I was remembering that each bit carried an equal weight (which is certainly possible to do, just wouldn't work well at all in this situation). -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 17:18:23 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEF337B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5445E43E42 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:18:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chipster.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A1D3D50118; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:18:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 17:18:27 -0800 From: chip wiegand To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: printer recommendations? Message-Id: <20021028171827.56f7e343.chip@wiegand.org> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I am going to be shopping for a new ink jet printer this next weekend. I don't really care what brand it is, so long as it is fully supported and useable with FreeBSD-4.7, as well as windoze via samba. It doesn't have to be the latest-n-greatest, which probably won't do anyway. Looking for recommendations... Regards, Chip W To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 21:54:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D69DD37B401 for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035B543E4A for ; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 21:54:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@corto.lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.12.2/8.12.2/SuSE Linux 0.6) with ESMTP id g9T5suxx011426; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:54:56 +0100 Received: (from rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.12.2/8.12.2/Submit) id g9T5skvS011420; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:54:46 +0100 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:54:46 +0100 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: chip wiegand Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printer recommendations? Message-ID: <20021029055446.GA11270@lpt.ens.fr> Mail-Followup-To: chip wiegand , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021028171827.56f7e343.chip@wiegand.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.18-64GB-SMP i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org chip wiegand wrote: > I am going to be shopping for a new ink jet printer this next weekend. I > don't really care what brand it is, so long as it is fully supported and > useable with FreeBSD-4.7, as well as windoze via samba. It doesn't have > to be the latest-n-greatest, which probably won't do anyway. Why the pessimism? > Looking for recommendations... http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/p_Supported_Printers.php3 Pick which you like... and install gimp-print from the ports - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Oct 28 22:36:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E58837B401; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:36:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1788343E6E; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:36:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0225.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.225] helo=mindspring.com) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 186Pz6-0004or-00; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:36:16 -0800 Message-ID: <3DBE2C13.CE350F81@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 22:34:59 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kenneth Culver Cc: Doug Barton , Chuck Robey , "Wilkinson,Alex" , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: [hardware] Tagged Command Queuing or Larger Cache ? References: <20021028210733.I61008-100000@alpha.yumyumyum.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kenneth Culver wrote: > > Ummm... why? "steer" is a word with multiple meanings. I can't find > > "stear" anywhere. > > well, lets just say that my brain is fried b/c of midterms. OK? :-P There's a "right" steering committee and a "wrong" steering commitee... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 29 6: 4:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E82337B401 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:04:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E5D43E75 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 06:04:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.246] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A4FAB6A20066; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:02:34 -0600 Message-ID: <019501c27f53$af97a7c0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "Rob" , References: <3DBD77CE.5AEC57E3@pythonemproject.com> Subject: Re: lists slowing down? Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:01:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >From: "Rob" >To: >Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:45 AM >Subject: lists slowing down? Well -security has.....if you're desiring more stuff in your inbox, try -questions ;-) KDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 29 8:22: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1183037B401 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BD743E4A for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:22:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cls@raggedclown.net) Received: from [212.238.197.102] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 186Z7x-000DWT-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 16:22:01 +0000 Received: from willow.raggedclown.net (willow.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.10]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [oz]) with ESMTP id 5BEAD48241 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:22:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by willow.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [willow], from userid 1009) id 5C1E622592; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:22:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 17:22:01 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: SMTPD-32 Message-ID: <20021029162201.GA1296@raggedclown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Does anyone know why the relaying of mail through an SMTPD-32 server scores high points on my spamassasin checker. What is it ? A piece of email to freebsd Qs got in my spam folder partly because of it - non Spam I should emphaise. Google tells me it is some piece of software sold by BMT Micro .. whoever they are. -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands Email: cls@raggedclown.net Tel : +31 (0)10 4764595 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 29 8:25:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 952AE37B401 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [207.200.51.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E198743E7B for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:25:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TGPLs08554; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:25:21 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g9TGPLN25621; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:25:21 -0600 (CST) Received: from centtech.com (electron [204.177.173.173]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9TGPIx25569; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:25:18 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3DBEB66D.2030606@centtech.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:25:17 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMTPD-32 References: <20021029162201.GA1296@raggedclown.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Is it an open relay? Cliff Sarginson wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know why the relaying of mail through an SMTPD-32 server > scores high points on my spamassasin checker. What is it ? A piece of > email to freebsd Qs got in my spam folder partly because of it - non > Spam I should emphaise. > Google tells me it is some piece of software sold by BMT Micro .. > whoever they are. > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Beware the fury of a patient man. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 29 8:58: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC86837B401 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C7143E3B for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 08:57:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout06.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4R00D0K5SI32@mtaout06.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:57:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:57:58 -0500 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: printer recommendations? In-reply-to: <20021028171827.56f7e343.chip@wiegand.org> To: chip wiegand Cc: "freebsd-chat@freebsd.org" Message-id: <9356CCD1-EB5F-11D6-9CA8-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 08:18 PM, chip wiegand wrote: > I am going to be shopping for a new ink jet printer this next weekend. > I > don't really care what brand it is, so long as it is fully supported > and > useable with FreeBSD-4.7, as well as windoze via samba. It doesn't have > to be the latest-n-greatest, which probably won't do anyway. > Looking for recommendations... > Regards, > Chip W > I have an hp desktjet 932c..it works well with apsfilter. Haven't tried it via a samba share since I have no need... --Larry > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 29 10:30:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673D737B404 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from crf-consulting.co.uk (pc-80-194-99-103-hy.blueyonder.co.uk [80.194.99.103]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D34F143E75 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 10:30:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from nik@crf-consulting.co.uk) Received: from clan.crf-consulting.co.uk (clan.nothing-going-on.org [192.168.1.20]) by crf-consulting.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9TITsTk059524; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:29:54 GMT (envelope-from nik@catkin) Received: from clan.nothing-going-on.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clan.crf-consulting.co.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g9TITshB018637; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:29:54 GMT (envelope-from nik@clan.nothing-going-on.org) Received: (from nik@localhost) by clan.nothing-going-on.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9TITstt018636; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:29:54 GMT Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 18:29:54 +0000 From: Nik Clayton To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMTPD-32 Message-ID: <20021029182954.GO20263@clan.nothing-going-on.org> References: <20021029162201.GA1296@raggedclown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/JIF1IJL1ITjxcV4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021029162201.GA1296@raggedclown.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: FreeBSD Project Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --/JIF1IJL1ITjxcV4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 05:22:01PM +0100, Cliff Sarginson wrote: > Does anyone know why the relaying of mail through an SMTPD-32 server > scores high points on my spamassasin checker. What is it ? A piece of > email to freebsd Qs got in my spam folder partly because of it - non > Spam I should emphaise. Probably because it's (well, it was) used by a lot of spammers. The most recent SpamAssassin still has the rule, but it has a lower value. N --=20 FreeBSD: The Power to Serve http://www.freebsd.org/ (__) FreeBSD Documentation Project http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/ \\\'',) \/ \= ^ --- 15B8 3FFC DDB4 34B0 AA5F 94B7 93A8 0764 2C37 E375 --- .\._/= _) --/JIF1IJL1ITjxcV4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9vtOhk6gHZCw343URAiuoAJ9D7BajYjGbONujtlI3DRBN/uCsggCgjc+0 Ju15iaGRXs6MzWZWzMy/c+w= =oEY1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/JIF1IJL1ITjxcV4-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Oct 29 12:43: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7E937B401 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:42:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EA143E88 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:42:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0057.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.57] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 186dCP-0007Kx-00; Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:42:54 -0800 Message-ID: <3DBEF280.54F2C5B4@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 12:41:36 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SMTPD-32 References: <20021029162201.GA1296@raggedclown.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cliff Sarginson wrote: > Does anyone know why the relaying of mail through an SMTPD-32 server > scores high points on my spamassasin checker. What is it ? A piece of > email to freebsd Qs got in my spam folder partly because of it - non > Spam I should emphaise. > Google tells me it is some piece of software sold by BMT Micro .. > whoever they are. SMTPD_IN_RCVD ...Basically, your message's "Received:" timestamp line had the atom "smtpd" in it (e.g in place of something like "sendmail", etc.). The answer to this is that this is given a high rating in the rules (you can change your local copy to give it a lower rating if you want). The reason for this high rating is that the pair of programs "smtpd" and "smtpfwdd", which are designed to receive mail into a chroot environment to prevent buffer overflow attacks from working (see Obtuse System's documentation on the code for more details) have historically been very, very easy to trick into forwarding SPAM. It's possible to lock them down, in more recent versions, and with the correct blocking rules, but most people don't know about how to write correct blocking rules. Old InterJet's used to use Obtuse system's smtpd/smtpfwdd software, so I am very familiar with this problem. Another alternative is to modify the string that SMTP-32 records in the "Received:" timestamp line, to, say, "SMTP-32", instead of "smtpd". Of course, a lot of fools believe in "security through obscurity", and would therefore argue that this would reveal some information which can be used for software-targetted attacks -- as if the people who do this sort of thing wouldn't use all the possible attacks, rather than just targetted ones. So... uless you can get the sender to hack their binary (zapping the "d" in the format string with a binary editor would be enough), then your only choices are to live with it, or to modify the weight for that particular attribute of a message. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 6:32:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9710F37B404 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from post-20.mail.nl.demon.net (post-20.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B0B43E4A for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:32:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cls@raggedclown.net) Received: from [212.238.197.102] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-20.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 186ttB-000O2V-00 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:32:09 +0000 Received: from willow.raggedclown.net (willow.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.10]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [oz]) with ESMTP id 760CC48241 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:32:08 +0100 (CET) Received: by willow.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [willow], from userid 1009) id 4C7A822592; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:32:09 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:32:09 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Mozilla Message-ID: <20021030143209.GA584@raggedclown.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Anyone actually achieved the installation of Mozilla with Java support ? It is like having a tooth pulled without novocaine. I got sick of it telling me I have to download this from Sun, and then later something else from Sun etc. etc. Why does the port not tell you everything you need for it right at the beginning ? Sorry just letting off steam, didn't think it was a good idea to moan on -questions, since I know this subject comes up often. Calls for a HOWTO, (don't tell me I should write it, since I have given up on it. And the worse thing is that Mozilla beats the pants off Netscape in every other way). Ah well, who needs Java support...*sigh* -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands Email: cls@raggedclown.net Tel : +31 (0)10 4764595 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 6:46:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF0637B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:46:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.147.188.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 096CA43E75 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 06:46:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-chat-local@be-well.no-ip.com) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (lowellg.ne.client2.attbi.com [24.147.188.198] (may be forged)) by be-well.ilk.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9UEkgWJ058080; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:46:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from freebsd-chat-local@be-well.no-ip.com) Received: (from lowell@localhost) by be-well.ilk.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id g9UEkfIQ058077; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:46:41 -0500 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: be-well.ilk.org: lowell set sender to freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org using -f To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mozilla References: <20021030143209.GA584@raggedclown.net> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 30 Oct 2002 09:46:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20021030143209.GA584@raggedclown.net> Message-ID: <44wuo056i6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cliff Sarginson writes: > Why does the port not tell you everything you need for it right at the > beginning ? "make fetch-list" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 7: 2:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9196137B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:02:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [207.200.51.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F6F43E3B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:02:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UF27s09870 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:07 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g9UF27l04615 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from centtech.com (electron [204.177.173.173]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g9UF24x04608 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:04 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3DBFF46B.7020001@centtech.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:03 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: No buffer space available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm running a heavily loaded NFS server, and I am now seeing (occasionally) things like: yp_next: clnt_call: RPC: Unable to send; errno = No buffer space available yp_next: clnt_call: RPC: Unable to send; errno = No buffer space available yp_next: clnt_call: RPC: Unable to send; errno = No buffer space available My NIS client software is complaining "No buffer space" available. Here is output from netstat -m: 178/38224/131072 mbufs in use (current/peak/max): 174 mbufs allocated to data 4 mbufs allocated to packet headers 131/32768/32768 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 75092 Kbytes allocated to network (33% of mb_map in use) 581 requests for memory denied 0 requests for memory delayed 0 calls to protocol drain routines Notice the "memory denied" numbers.. /etc/sysctl.conf: vfs.nfs.gatherdelay=0 vfs.nfs.async=1 vfs.vmiodirenable=1 kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152 kern.ipc.somaxconn=8192 kern.ipc.maxsockets=16424 kern.maxfiles=65536 kern.maxfilesperproc=32768 net.inet.tcp.rfc1323=1 net.inet.tcp.delayed_ack=0 net.inet.tcp.sendspace=65535 net.inet.tcp.recvspace=65535 net.inet.udp.recvspace=65535 net.inet.udp.maxdgram=57344 net.local.stream.recvspace=65535 net.local.stream.sendspace=65535 net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 Anything else I'm missing? How can I fix this? Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Beware the fury of a patient man. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 7:25: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E9F737B401; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:25:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5134A43E75; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:25:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 14BE4534E; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:25:00 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Eric Anderson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: No buffer space available References: <3DBFF46B.7020001@centtech.com> From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 16:24:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3DBFF46B.7020001@centtech.com> (Eric Anderson's message of "Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:02:03 -0600") Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090007 (Oort Gnus v0.07) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Anderson writes: > 131/32768/32768 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) You ran out of mbuf clusters at some point. > How can I fix this? Add "kern.ipc.nmbclusters=65536" to /boot/loader.conf and reboot. BTW, -chat is not the appropriate forum for this kind of question. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 7:29:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D38237B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F61343E42 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:29:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daleco@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.71] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AA6095650092; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:27:28 -0600 Message-ID: <035401c28028$fe2b4150$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "DaleCo Help Desk" To: "Cliff Sarginson" Cc: References: <20021029120724.14453.qmail@web11206.mail.yahoo.com> <011101c27f52$0f5eebc0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <20021029162727.GA1364@raggedclown.net> <003701c27fcc$effa9d30$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <20021030125907.GB1203@raggedclown.net> Subject: Re: I thought you may like to see what spamassasin thought of your message... Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:28:25 -0600 Organization: DaleCo, S.P.---"the solutions people" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org And, I thank you again. _My_ servers runs Sendmail over FBSD-stable, but the ISP I use from home, where, incidentally, I'm doing more and more of my work, seems to be running SMTPD. I bounce "daleco.biz" mail to them via aliases, 'cause I didn't want to mess with one more open port on the WAN, and I use their MTA so I don't have to put their netblock(s) in my "relay-domains" lest one of their other many clients feel the need to advertise in bulk.... The message from the OP had the subject line Subject: Mandrake OK, RedHat OK, Win OK, .... FreeBSD NOK ... Any driver? Please help!!! Not really surprising that spamassassin caught it, with that many strikes against it, and, I'm wondering if I may look into it for some of the shops I have on contract. Interesting that they (the ISP) are "quietly becoming the standard" (their own slogan....) yet using what might be "non-standard" MTAs. I may encourage them to take a look at FBSD :-) Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Sarginson" To: "DaleCo Help Desk" Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 6:59 AM Subject: Re: I thought you may like to see what spamassasin thought of your message... > Ah. Well I thought I would inform you, the message hit maximum points > because of that and because the message you were replying to contained > a large number of exclamation marks, a la typical Spam. I do wish people > would restrict themselves with the use of question/exclamation marks. > I have noticed many people for whom English is not their mother-tongue > do this (that is not a racist comment..just an observation). Maybe the > document describing how to phrase questions should have a section on it. > I do not /dev/null Spam, it has it's own folder, but about 1-2% of the > messages in it are genuine, but garner high marks for this reason or > that. > > Well I thought it would be a friendly gesture to let you know :) > Many people use spamassassin these days (even though it is *very* slow). > > -- > Regards > Cliff Sarginson > The Netherlands > > Email: cls@raggedclown.net > Tel : +31 (0)10 4764595 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 7:56:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E045B37B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:56:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E7A43E6E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 07:56:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4S00H9MXMQXX@mtaout03.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:56:51 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:56:52 -0500 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Mozilla In-reply-to: <20021030143209.GA584@raggedclown.net> To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <3535B666-EC20-11D6-9FE7-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 09:32 AM, Cliff Sarginson wrote: > Hi, > Anyone actually achieved the installation of Mozilla with Java support > ? > It is like having a tooth pulled without novocaine. > I got sick of it telling me I have to download this from Sun, and then > later something else from Sun etc. etc. > Why does the port not tell you everything you need for it right at the > beginning ? > Sorry just letting off steam, didn't think it was a good idea to moan > on > -questions, since I know this subject comes up often. Calls for a > HOWTO, > (don't tell me I should write it, since I have given up on it. And the > worse thing is that Mozilla beats the pants off Netscape in every other > way). > Ah well, who needs Java support...*sigh* > Native freebsd mozilla or mozilla-linux? I had java working with mozilla-linux pretty painlessly. --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 9:59: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB1A437B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:59:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from cvg-65-27-235-120.cinci.rr.com (cvg-65-27-235-120.cinci.rr.com [65.27.235.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3052743E6E for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 09:59:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cokane@cvg-65-27-235-120.cinci.rr.com) Received: (qmail 18670 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Oct 2002 18:04:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:04:24 -0500 From: Coleman Kane To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: PhreakNIC Message-ID: <20021030180424.GA18648@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hey, I am going to phreaknic in nashville this weekend and was wondering if any other freebsd hackers are doing the same. -- coleman kane To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 10: 3: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA41337B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (papagena.rockefeller.edu [129.85.41.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0101C43E42 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 10:03:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@papagena.rockefeller.edu) Received: (from rsidd@localhost) by papagena.rockefeller.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g9UI2re00646; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:02:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 13:02:53 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Larry Sica Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla Message-ID: <20021030130253.D31418@papagena.rockefeller.edu> Mail-Followup-To: Larry Sica , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3535B666-EC20-11D6-9FE7-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.9-12smp i686 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Larry Sica wrote: > Native freebsd mozilla or mozilla-linux? I had java working with > mozilla-linux pretty painlessly. Which version of linux_base do you use, and which java port? I used to have java working long ago but have been quite unable to get it to work recently. I remember reading that there were problems with linux_base-7 (which isn't quite what I use either -- I use symlinks to an actual linux partition, it's a dual-boot machine). At one time, native konqueror would work with the IBM linux jre too. - Rahul To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 11:41:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90BF937B401 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net (swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.123]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5025E43E77 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:41:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0422.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.167] helo=mindspring.com) by swan.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 186yih-0005AK-00; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:41:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC035A7.F265BFD@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 11:40:23 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cliff Sarginson Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mozilla References: <20021030143209.GA584@raggedclown.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Cliff Sarginson wrote: > Anyone actually achieved the installation of Mozilla with Java support ? > It is like having a tooth pulled without novocaine. > I got sick of it telling me I have to download this from Sun, and then > later something else from Sun etc. etc. > Why does the port not tell you everything you need for it right at the > beginning ? Try doing a "make release" without disabling documentation. 8-). You end up with 32 ports having to be installed (at last count). The correct way to do this is to copy the ports distribution files into your local system, so that they get copied into the build environment, instead of being downloaded, built, and installed each time. It's also impossible to recreate historical releases, since the old versions of the code are not archived anywhere, so it's not possible to build, for instance, a 4.1-RELEASE from sources, unless you happened to save of the necessary distribution files. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 14:50:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B3D37B401; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from serenity.mcc.ac.uk (serenity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 831AF43E6E; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 14:50:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by serenity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #6) id 1871fU-0000dp-00; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:50:32 +0000 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.3/8.11.1) with ESMTP id g9UMoVnc064606; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:50:31 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g9UMoVAH064605; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:50:31 GMT Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 22:50:31 +0000 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Has anyone had problems running GNUStep AND WindowMaker? Message-ID: <20021030225031.GA64575@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I found out what was causing my segfault. I removed GNUStep and all its directories and re-installed WindowMaker, but now GNUStep isn't happy when I reinstalled it. Has anyone had any problems running both apps? NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Oct 30 15:12:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA1437B409 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp4.joplin.com (mail.joplin.com [208.11.114.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E50E43E3B for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 15:12:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: (from DaleCoportable at 63.166.110.184) by mail.joplin.com (Mark's SMTP Revision 01Feb02) id 753785052 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2002 23:07:11 +0000 Message-ID: <00d701c28069$bb1c4a30$e96ea63f@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: Subject: ! Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 17:11:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Foo! KDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 11:43: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8AA937B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (alicia.nttmcl.com [216.69.69.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C21343E8A for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:43:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jj@alicia.nttmcl.com) Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g9VJhBvm071668 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:43:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jj@alicia.nttmcl.com) Received: (from jj@localhost) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id g9VJhBu3071667 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:43:11 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 11:43:11 -0800 From: Shannon -jj Behrens To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Message-ID: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org -jj -- def qsort(l): # Purely functional implementation of QSort in Python. if not len(l): return [] return (qsort([i for i in l[1:] if i < l[0]]) + [l[0]] + qsort([i for i in l[1:] if i >= l[0]])) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 12:22:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C4837B43C for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:22:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bastet.rfc822.net (bastet.rfc822.net [64.81.113.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455D043E3B for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:22:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pde@bastet.rfc822.net) Received: by bastet.rfc822.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BFD4F9F1A3; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:23:22 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 14:23:22 -0600 From: Pete Ehlke To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Message-ID: <20021031202322.GA35347@rfc822.net> References: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:43:11AM -0800, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > MY EYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 12:31:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 318D837B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:31:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from firehouse.net (dsl-64-130-18-61.telocity.com [64.130.18.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 094F843E42 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 12:31:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from alan-sender-ea7fb4@clegg.com) Received: (qmail 75066 invoked by uid 85); 31 Oct 2002 20:31:38 -0000 Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 15:31:35 -0500 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Message-ID: <20021031203135.GC64965@shazam.wetworks.org> References: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s9fJI615cBHmzTOP" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: "Alan B. Clegg" X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) X-TMDA-Fingerprint: 8cO87gioecVOvJnRHUgUl9PxHLM X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Unless the network is lying to me again, Shannon -jj Behrens said:=20 > I think I'm blind. AlanC --=20 | Alan Clegg | Networks | Security | UNIX | 802.11 |=20 "you just have to be smarter than what you're working on." - Scott Lauren --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9wZMnyJP8xSfQVdsRArcyAJ0Y+MSzssK/FLr6qF5E0H5+A4OT8ACfbPeS eCPLKplM4+etnPXxb2sBJz0= =h2Nx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s9fJI615cBHmzTOP-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 13:33:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E422137B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:33:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C77043E88 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:33:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from andrew@cream.org) Received: from pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:32:58 +0000 Received: from cream.org (unverified [213.48.109.177]) by pcow035o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:32:57 +0000 Message-ID: <3DC1A198.3000804@cream.org> Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:33:12 +0000 From: Andrew Boothman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Ehlke Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) References: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> <20021031202322.GA35347@rfc822.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Pete Ehlke wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:43:11AM -0800, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > >> >> > MY EYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!! My eyes! The goggles - they are useless! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 13:53:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC8737B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from hughes-fe02.direcway.com (hughes-fe02.direcway.com [66.82.20.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE6D43E8A for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 13:53:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmprice@direcway.com) Received: from jerusalem ([66.82.54.35]) by hughes-fe02.direcway.com (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license dcc4e84cb8fc01ca8f8654c982ec8526) with ESMTP id <20021031215011.JSHU14813.hughes-fe02@jerusalem>; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:50:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Weston M. Price" To: "Alan B. Clegg" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:44:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> <20021031203135.GC64965@shazam.wetworks.org> In-Reply-To: <20021031203135.GC64965@shazam.wetworks.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200210311644.24964.wmprice@direcway.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wow, that's umm.....well, disturbing.=20 Weston On Thursday 31 October 2002 03:31 pm, Alan B. Clegg wrote: > Unless the network is lying to me again, Shannon -jj Behrens said: > > > > I think I'm blind. > > AlanC To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 16:37:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB6837B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:37:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B036C43E3B for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 16:37:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4V005TGGEKJZ@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:37:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:37:32 -0500 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-reply-to: <200210311644.24964.wmprice@direcway.com> To: "Weston M. Price" Cc: "Alan B. Clegg" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <1BC39980-ED32-11D6-A6C4-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday, October 31, 2002, at 04:44 PM, Weston M. Price wrote: > Wow, that's umm.....well, disturbing. > thank god my glasses are cov ered under insurance for breakage.... ;) --Larry > Weston > > On Thursday 31 October 2002 03:31 pm, Alan B. Clegg wrote: >> Unless the network is lying to me again, Shannon -jj Behrens said: >>> >> >> I think I'm blind. >> >> AlanC > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 17:21:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DA537B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:21:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D9043E3B for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:21:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA11LSp90773; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:21:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 17:21:28 -0800 (PST) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Shannon -jj Behrens Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-Reply-To: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> Message-ID: <20021031172056.C30424-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > man, i had to see that in person aswell. god, jj. ouch. just.. ouch. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends." -- Tom Waits To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 19:16: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E11537B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478B943E8A for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.137] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A181103801DE; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:14:09 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c28154$e2b69e10$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "f.johan.beisser" , "Shannon -jj Behrens" Cc: References: <20021031172056.C30424-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2002 21:15:08 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org www.daleco.biz/daemonshield.html KDK ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "f.johan.beisser" To: "Shannon -jj Behrens" Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) > On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > > > > man, i had to see that in person aswell. > > god, jj. ouch. > > just.. ouch. > > -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ > http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org > "Champagne for my real friends, real pain for > my sham friends." -- Tom Waits > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Oct 31 19:33:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09DF937B401 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EF843E88 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:33:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([12.242.158.67]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021101033344.UJWS8743.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@localhost.localdomain> for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 03:33:44 +0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA13YqUW006725 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:34:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id gA13YlEk006722; Thu, 31 Oct 2002 19:34:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from swear@attbi.com) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jojo set sender to swear@attbi.com using -f To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: More history of the freeness of BSD From: swear@attbi.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: 31 Oct 2002 19:34:46 -0800 Message-ID: <3ivg3iq7xl.g3i@localhost.localdomain> Lines: 55 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've blundered across some more clues as to the "freeness" of early BSD at http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/opensources/book/kirkmck.html (which I found quoted at http://members.lycos.co.uk/earnoth/viewtopic.php?t=4&sid=1344d45a56387aa4506af241bf63fe7f ) It is a chapter by McKusick from the "Open Sources" book of 1999. Up through the release of 4.3BSD-Tahoe, all recipients of BSD had to first get an AT&T source license. ... With the increasing cost of the AT&T source licenses, vendors that wanted to build standalone TCP/IP-based networking products for the PC market using the BSD code found the per-binary costs prohibitive. ... The BSD originated networking code and supporting utilities were released in June 1989 as Networking Release 1, the first freely-redistributable code from Berkeley. ... Although we did not yet have the complete feature set of 4.4BSD ready to ship, the CSRG decided to do an interim release to get additional feedback and experiences on the two major new additions to the system. This [AT&T source-] licensed interim release was called 4.3BSD-Reno and occurred in early 1990. [my insertion] ... Closing the gap from the Networking Release 2 distribution to a fully functioning system did not take long. Within six months of the release, Bill Jolitz had written replacements for the six missing files. He promptly released a fully compiled and bootable system for the 386-based PC architecture which he called 386/BSD. (Networking Release 1 & 2 were not fee-licensed, but were not complete OSes, either. I don't understand their exact use. Did users just add a files from their AT&T distributions, apply patches, or what?) A summary of late Berkeley BSD history: The OS (the kernel) required obviously-AT&T-contaminated code (or the OS was left incomplete) until late 1991 when 386/BSD was released (from which NetBSD and FreeBSD were derived in 1992). The "Unix" lawsuit was settled in Jan'1994 and 4.4BSD was released in -lite ("free") and -encumbered ("USL source license" which I suppose means "fee-licensed") versions. Three more files had been removed and about 70 files got USL/Novell copyrights but BSD-type licenses. All BSD OSes restarted development from that version. Berkeley's CSRG stopped work on their versions after 4.4BSD-lite, Release 2 of June 1995. My conclusion, for now, is that the non-Berkeley parts of BSD was fee-licensed from soon (?) after the 1984 AT&T ruling until 1994, despite the fact (as I understand Terry) that the non-Berkeley parts were licensed to Berkeley under a Western Electric license which would have permitted no-fee redistribution, if someone would have been willing to push the issue. (I wonder if it didn't get some more restrictively AT&T-licensed code before and during that time, too.) If Network Release 1 is considered a BSD OS (a stretch, since it isn't even an OS, strictly speaking), then the period of fee licensing is reduced from soon (?) after 1984 to 1989. 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Groups is subject to http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/info/terms.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 5: 8:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20FBC37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB9D043E97 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 05:08:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from burhan@blueyonder.co.uk) Received: from pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:08:16 +0000 Received: from swansea (unverified [194.117.135.69]) by pcow034o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:07:39 +0000 Message-ID: <03af01c281a7$5c4d8160$458775c2@swansea> From: "Burhan Nazir" To: References: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> <20021031202322.GA35347@rfc822.net> <3DC1A198.3000804@cream.org> Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:05:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Pete Ehlke wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 11:43:11AM -0800, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > > >> > >> > > MY EYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!!! > > My eyes! The goggles - they are useless! > > Arghh, my eyes!, these googles!...they do nothing!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 7:16:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70CF337B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:16:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADFF043E8A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 07:16:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA05555; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:16:35 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 08:16:32 -0700 To: Shannon -jj Behrens , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-Reply-To: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org My poor LCD! Where, exactly, was this person embarrassing us? Downtown Palo Alto? --Brett At 12:43 PM 10/31/2002, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > > >-jj > >-- >def qsort(l): # Purely functional implementation of QSort in Python. > if not len(l): return [] > return (qsort([i for i in l[1:] if i < l[0]]) + [l[0]] + > qsort([i for i in l[1:] if i >= l[0]])) > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 8:32:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123E937B407 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979DA43E91 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:32:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-5-187.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.5.187]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8785002E; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:32:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 0B05C3352; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061E44C5B; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:32:21 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: Brett Glass Cc: Shannon -jj Behrens , Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> Message-ID: X-Mailer: !/bin/sh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Brett Glass wrote: > My poor LCD! > > Where, exactly, was this person embarrassing us? Downtown > Palo Alto? My eyes are suing me for assault and battery now... -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 8:51:55 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E599337B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:51:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [64.163.147.186]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D3B43E6E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:51:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1Gpih94628; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:51:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:51:43 -0800 (PST) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: Brett Glass Cc: Shannon -jj Behrens , Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> Message-ID: <20021101084949.X30424-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Brett Glass wrote: > My poor LCD! your poor LCD, my poor mind. at least he won the costume contest. > Where, exactly, was this person embarrassing us? Downtown > Palo Alto? what? aren't you proud of our own cheerleader? jeez. -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends." -- Tom Waits To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 8:58:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B75AC37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:58:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6802443E4A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 08:58:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.137] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A23826E9025A; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:56:24 -0600 Message-ID: <028c01c281c7$a7b335d0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "f.johan.beisser" , "Brett Glass" Cc: "Shannon -jj Behrens" , References: <20021101084949.X30424-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:56:41 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "f.johan.beisser" To: "Brett Glass" Cc: "Shannon -jj Behrens" ; Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Brett Glass wrote: > > > My poor LCD! > > your poor LCD, my poor mind. > > at least he won the costume contest. > > > Where, exactly, was this person embarrassing us? Downtown > > Palo Alto? > > what? aren't you proud of our own cheerleader? jeez. > Well, now that I can SEE Hi, uh, Her... :-) KDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 9:35: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F75337B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:35:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from hughes-fe02.direcway.com (hughes-fe02.direcway.com [66.82.20.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719CB43E3B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 09:35:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmprice@direcway.com) Received: from jerusalem ([66.82.54.35]) by hughes-fe02.direcway.com (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license dcc4e84cb8fc01ca8f8654c982ec8526) with ESMTP id <20021101173116.DBCJ14813.hughes-fe02@jerusalem>; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:31:16 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Weston M. Price" To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , "f.johan.beisser" , "Brett Glass" Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 12:25:22 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: "Shannon -jj Behrens" , References: <20021101084949.X30424-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <028c01c281c7$a7b335d0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> In-Reply-To: <028c01c281c7$a7b335d0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211011225.22281.wmprice@direcway.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Saddly enough, he looks a hell of a lot better than that f*#(*&@ butterfl= y=20 Microshaft is pimping! Weston On Friday 01 November 2002 11:56 am, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > From: "f.johan.beisser" > To: "Brett Glass" > Cc: "Shannon -jj Behrens" ; > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) > > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Brett Glass wrote: > > > My poor LCD! > > > > your poor LCD, my poor mind. > > > > at least he won the costume contest. > > > > > Where, exactly, was this person embarrassing us? Downtown > > > Palo Alto? > > > > what? aren't you proud of our own cheerleader? jeez. > > Well, now that I can SEE Hi, uh, Her... > > :-) KDK > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 10:16:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9502A37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:16:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.uninterruptible.net (ns1.uninterruptible.net [216.7.46.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2467F43E9C for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:16:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@catonic.net) Received: from Spaz.Catonic.NET (tnt6-216-180-5-187.dialup.HiWAAY.net [216.180.5.187]) by mail.uninterruptible.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3500B50036; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:16:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix, from userid 1002) id C4F9C3352; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:16:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Spaz.Catonic.NET (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0DBE4C5B; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:16:14 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:16:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Kris Kirby To: "Weston M. Price" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-Reply-To: <200211011225.22281.wmprice@direcway.com> Message-ID: X-Mailer: !/bin/sh MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Weston M. Price wrote: > Saddly enough, he looks a hell of a lot better than that f*#(*&@ butterfly > Microshaft is pimping! Bwahahahahahahahaha! -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 10:23:50 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045EA37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:23:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (alicia.nttmcl.com [216.69.69.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909D243E7B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:23:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jj@alicia.nttmcl.com) Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1INrvm091610; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:23:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jj@alicia.nttmcl.com) Received: (from jj@localhost) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1INrsZ091609; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:23:53 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:23:53 -0800 From: Shannon -jj Behrens To: Brett Glass , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Message-ID: <20021101182353.GA91553@alicia.nttmcl.com> References: <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 08:16:32AM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: > My poor LCD! > > Where, exactly, was this person embarrassing us? Downtown > Palo Alto? Yes. Hmm, I might have fit in better in Berkley or San Francisco. Sometimes it's great to have a seamstress for a wife ;) -jj -- def qsort(l): # Purely functional implementation of QSort in Python. if not len(l): return [] return (qsort([i for i in l[1:] if i < l[0]]) + [l[0]] + qsort([i for i in l[1:] if i >= l[0]])) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 10:46:42 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510AA37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:46:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (alicia.nttmcl.com [216.69.69.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B086843E88 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:46:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jj@alicia.nttmcl.com) Received: from alicia.nttmcl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA1IkWvm091961; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:46:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jj@alicia.nttmcl.com) Received: (from jj@localhost) by alicia.nttmcl.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA1IkWes091960; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:46:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 10:46:32 -0800 From: Shannon -jj Behrens To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , "f.johan.beisser" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) Message-ID: <20021101184632.GA91829@alicia.nttmcl.com> References: <20021031172056.C30424-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <003001c28154$e2b69e10$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003001c28154$e2b69e10$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:15:08PM -0600, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > www.daleco.biz/daemonshield.html ROFL (don't look up my skirt!) -jj -- def qsort(l): # Purely functional implementation of QSort in Python. if not len(l): return [] return (qsort([i for i in l[1:] if i < l[0]]) + [l[0]] + qsort([i for i in l[1:] if i >= l[0]])) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 13:40:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9364D37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:40:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from spork.pantherdragon.org (spork.pantherdragon.org [206.29.168.146]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C5243E6E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:40:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmp@pantherdragon.org) Received: from sparx.techno.pagans (12-224-208-117.client.attbi.com [12.224.208.117]) by spork.pantherdragon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2782A1005F; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:40:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from pantherdragon.org (speck.techno.pagans [172.21.42.2]) by sparx.techno.pagans (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1E3CAA8F; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:40:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <3DC2F4D0.3F55E2D@pantherdragon.org> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 13:40:32 -0800 From: Darren Pilgrim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "f.johan.beisser" Cc: Brett Glass , Shannon -jj Behrens , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) References: <20021101084949.X30424-100000@pogo.caustic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "f.johan.beisser" wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Brett Glass wrote: > > > My poor LCD! > > your poor LCD, my poor mind. > > at least he won the costume contest. > > > Where, exactly, was this person embarrassing us? Downtown > > Palo Alto? > > what? aren't you proud of our own cheerleader? jeez. I'm proud of those fine-looking ladies in the skin-tight red jumpsuits. :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 13:42:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AE037B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from elisha.daleco.biz (cdm-66-92-15-cart.cox-internet.com [66.76.92.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E5243E3B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable ([192.168.0.250]) by elisha.daleco.biz (8.12.6/8.12.4) with SMTP id gA1LgDeO055582 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:42:13 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <01d501c281ef$436f7520$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: Subject: "FreeBSD as a Desktop" heh, heh.... Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:40:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Greetings.... I don't want to revisit that controversial thread of some months ago, but I'm thinking of dedicating a disk to FreeBSD on a machine in my home...not as a server, but for browsing, word processing, mail reading, etc. a. Will a 475 Athlon be "horse" enough? b. I've run FBSD on 3 servers for over a year now, what's my best bet for getting X and _____ up without stomping a hole in the floor? c. What should I put in the _____ in the above question? Thanks, folks!! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 13:48:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3906F37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:48:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [207.200.51.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A6043E75 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:48:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1LmEs25821; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:48:14 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id gA1LmEP21866; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:48:14 -0600 (CST) Received: from centtech.com (electron [204.177.173.173]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1LmBx21859; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:48:11 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3DC2F699.8050904@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 15:48:09 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "FreeBSD as a Desktop" heh, heh.... References: <01d501c281ef$436f7520$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > Greetings.... > > I don't want to revisit that controversial > thread of some months ago, but I'm thinking > of dedicating a disk to FreeBSD on a machine > in my home...not as a server, but for browsing, > word processing, mail reading, etc. > > a. Will a 475 Athlon be "horse" enough? > > b. I've run FBSD on 3 servers for over > a year now, what's my best bet for getting > X and _____ up without stomping a hole > in the floor? > > c. What should I put in the _____ > in the above question? I use FreeBSD as my desktop OS on my notebook and my desktop workstation. I have nvidia cards in both - which I wouldn't suggest for a "simple" xwindows install, since the nv drivers don't work with the newer cards. I had to use the linux ones. Matrox cards work fine, and are fast enough. I also use Fluxbox for a window manager - it's small, fast, and clean. It isn't all that "pretty" though. I use Netscape and Mozilla (and Opera (linux version)), and OpenOffice. Basically, there isn't much I can't do with this. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Beware the fury of a patient man. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 14:20: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5E1837B401; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org (12-232-206-8.client.attbi.com [12.232.206.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242BD43E42; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:20:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA48215; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:02:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) blackjack (It's a gamble) tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. Jaguar.. uh rats... wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. I dunno.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 14:24:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 931) id 07D0637B401; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:24:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:24:30 -0800 From: Juli Mallett To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021101142430.A84826@FreeBSD.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from julian@elischer.org on Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 02:02:41PM -0800 Organisation: The FreeBSD Project X-Alternate-Addresses: , , , , X-Towel: Yes X-LiveJournal: flata, jmallett X-Negacore: Yes Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hoover! It sucks.... But DAM! It's in Nevada... * De: Julian Elischer [ Data: 2002-11-01 ] [ Subjecte: -current marcketting name? ] > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > blackjack (It's a gamble) > tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) > > > p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about > needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. > > Jaguar.. uh rats... > wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. > I dunno.. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message -- Juli Mallett | FreeBSD: The Power To Serve Will break world for fulltime employment. | finger jmallett@FreeBSD.org http://people.FreeBSD.org/~jmallett/ | Support my FreeBSD hacking! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 14:27:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7940837B401; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (wopr.caltech.edu [131.215.103.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB12643E97; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:27:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: from wopr.caltech.edu (localhost.caltech.edu [127.0.0.1]) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA1MRd3v054838; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:27:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mph@wopr.caltech.edu) Received: (from mph@localhost) by wopr.caltech.edu (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gA1MRcST054837; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:27:38 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:27:38 -0800 From: Matthew Hunt To: Juli Mallett Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021101222738.GA54782@wopr.caltech.edu> References: <20021101142430.A84826@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021101142430.A84826@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 02:24:30PM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: > Hoover! It sucks.... But DAM! It's in Nevada... Only half of it is. -- Matthew Hunt * Inertia is a property http://www.pobox.com/~mph/ * of matter. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 14:34:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D575737B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net (lakemtao02.cox.net [68.1.17.243]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A16843E4A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ataraxia@cox.net) Received: from cox.net ([68.98.184.165]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021101223435.XSLV12192.lakemtao02.cox.net@cox.net>; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:34:35 -0500 Message-ID: <3DC3017C.4040304@cox.net> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:34:36 -0500 From: Ray Kohler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021030 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marketting name? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Elischer wrote: > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > blackjack (It's a gamble) > tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) > > > p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about > needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. > > Jaguar.. uh rats... > wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. > I dunno.. I very much agree that a name is a great idea for a release, but just _what_ to name it is tough... Something random and surreal would be best, I think (and points of for whoever makes the obvious /dev/random pun...). - @ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 14:35:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D784F37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:35:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from picard.skynet.be (picard.skynet.be [195.238.3.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD7B43E3B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:35:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mariog@tomservo.cc) Received: from TSO (91.184-200-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.200.184.91]) by picard.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with ESMTP id gA1MZSe02040; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:35:28 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-Id: <200211012235.gA1MZSe02040@picard.skynet.be> From: "Mario Goebbels" To: "'Julian Elischer'" , Subject: RE: -current marcketting name? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:35:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.4523 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3663.0 In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do it like everyone else and pick location names... My proposition. Can't think of any cool ones. Maybe FreeBSD 5.0 'Niagara' or something :) -mg > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) slug, monkey, > heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > blackjack (It's a gamble) > tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) > > > p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very > serious about needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. > > Jaguar.. uh rats... > wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. > I dunno.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 14:36:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 156D737B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:36:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [207.200.51.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B011143E91 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:36:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1MaBs27567; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:36:11 -0600 (CST) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id gA1MaBa25695; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:36:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from centtech.com (electron [204.177.173.173]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA1Ma8x25688; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:36:08 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3DC301D7.6090107@centtech.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:36:07 -0600 From: Eric Anderson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Kohler Cc: Julian Elischer , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marketting name? References: <3DC3017C.4040304@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about Alcatraz? Stable, solid, secure as hell. Eric Ray Kohler wrote: > Julian Elischer wrote: > >> SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. >> >> Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) >> slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) >> >> blackjack (It's a gamble) >> tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) >> >> >> p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about >> needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. >> >> Jaguar.. uh rats... >> wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. >> I dunno.. > > > > I very much agree that a name is a great idea for a release, but just > _what_ to name it is tough... Something random and surreal would be > best, I think (and points of for whoever makes the obvious /dev/random > pun...). > > - @ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology Beware the fury of a patient man. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 14:38:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D271337B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from tntpro.com (dsl-207-5-188-75.gwi.net [207.5.188.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADFA43E6E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.com) Received: from lappy (dhcp201.tntpro.com [192.168.0.201]) by tntpro.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA1McSq3021988; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:38:28 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.com) From: "tony" To: "Julian Elischer" , Subject: RE: -current marcketting name? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:38:09 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Vanguard does have a nice ring to it. -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of Julian Elischer Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:03 PM To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: -current marcketting name? SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) blackjack (It's a gamble) tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. Jaguar.. uh rats... wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. I dunno.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 14:51:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC1437B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA54143E4A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:51:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA1MovDR039686 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:50:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Subject: Re: -current marketing name? From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 01 Nov 2002 16:50:56 -0600 Message-Id: <1036191057.719.22736.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Bride of Chucky" Ooops, already taken. ;-> But seriously, I like Vanguard. Here are a few of my own: Warrior Centuri Guardian Siberian Discovery Feynman Neptune Cerebrus Iron Gate Armor Neos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 15: 3:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E918A37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:03:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us [207.160.214.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D5B843E77 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:03:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cdillon@wolves.k12.mo.us) Received: by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D3BB41AAD3; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:03:41 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by testmail.wolves.k12.mo.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2AE1A947; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:03:41 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:03:41 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Dillon To: Eric Anderson Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , Subject: Re: "FreeBSD as a Desktop" heh, heh.... In-Reply-To: <3DC2F699.8050904@centtech.com> Message-ID: <20021101165242.B46031-100000@duey.wolves.k12.mo.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Eric Anderson wrote: > I use FreeBSD as my desktop OS on my notebook and my desktop > workstation. I have nvidia cards in both - which I wouldn't suggest > for a "simple" xwindows install, since the nv drivers don't work > with the newer cards. I had to use the linux ones. The newest NVidia cards work fine with FreeBSD's XFree86 port. I created a patchset for XFree86 that added support for the newest cards to the nv driver which was added to the XFree86 port on August 5. You have to either build XFree86 from the ports, or use FreeBSD.org-built binaries made after that date. The XFree86.org-built binaries will not have any improvements incorporated in them after the day that particular version of XFree86 was released. -- Chris Dillon - cdillon(at)wolves.k12.mo.us FreeBSD: The fastest and most stable server OS on the planet - Available for IA32 (Intel x86) and Alpha architectures - IA64, PowerPC, UltraSPARC, ARM, and S/390 under development - http://www.freebsd.org No trees were harmed in the composition of this message, although some electrons were mildly inconvenienced. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 15:31: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2337737B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:31:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from step.cg.tuwien.ac.at (step.cg.tuwien.ac.at [128.131.166.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7B0C43E4A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:31:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from step@acm.org) Received: from acm.org (N387P025.adsl.highway.telekom.at [213.33.48.89]) by step.cg.tuwien.ac.at (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA30266; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:30:49 +0100 Message-ID: <3DC30F70.3070007@acm.org> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 00:34:08 +0100 From: stephan mantler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Elischer wrote: > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > blackjack (It's a gamble) - bsd daemon associations: snowflake (particularly amusing), trident, hellfire,... - version number: pinkie (5th finger), australia (the "fifth continent"), anger (5th sin), fish or birds (5th day of creation),... cheers, -stephan -- stephan mantler reality is in fact virtual. step@acm.org http://step.schmelzweb.at/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 15:43:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A46937B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0193543E42 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:43:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.137] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A15457F7023A; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:42:12 -0600 Message-ID: <009701c28200$40d3d2f0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "stephan mantler" , "Julian Elischer" Cc: References: <3DC30F70.3070007@acm.org> Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:41:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org DANTE!!! Kevin Kinsey DaleCo, S.P. ----- Original Message ----- From: "stephan mantler" To: "Julian Elischer" Cc: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? > Julian Elischer wrote: > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > > slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > > > blackjack (It's a gamble) > > - bsd daemon associations: > snowflake (particularly amusing), trident, hellfire,... > > - version number: > pinkie (5th finger), australia (the "fifth continent"), > anger (5th sin), fish or birds (5th day of creation),... > > cheers, > -stephan > > -- > stephan mantler reality is in fact virtual. > step@acm.org http://step.schmelzweb.at/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 15:56:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF5637B401; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rhadamanth.submonkey.net (pc1-cdif2-4-cust210.cdf.cable.ntl.com [80.4.10.210]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE45C43E3B; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 15:56:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by rhadamanth.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.10) id 187leI-0001Ay-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:56:22 +0000 Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:56:22 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Juli Mallett Cc: Julian Elischer , chat@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021101235622.GA4113@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Juli Mallett , Julian Elischer , chat@FreeBSD.org References: <20021101142430.A84826@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021101142430.A84826@FreeBSD.org> X-message-flag: All your linuxconf-configured redhat are belong to us. X-message-flag-attribution: suresh, sdm. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 02:24:30PM -0800, Juli Mallett wrote: > Hoover! It sucks.... But DAM! It's in Nevada... I like. Anyone else who has heard "Hoover Dam" by Sugar will agree, I'd venture. "And if you've made a deal with The guy with the horns and the cape I'll see you later, later..." Ceri -- you can't see when light's so strong you can't see when light is gone To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 16: 1:43 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBB137B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from idiom.com (idiom.com [216.240.32.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0659B43E77 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:01:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billy@idiom.com) Received: from idiom.com (billy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by idiom.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA201fpR058250 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:01:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billy@idiom.com) Received: from localhost (billy@localhost) by idiom.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id gA201f5d058247 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:01:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from billy@idiom.com) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:01:41 -0800 (PST) From: billy@idiom.com To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name In-Reply-To: <20021101144246.D64077-100000@evil.isilon.com> Message-ID: <20021101155925.C52433-100000@idiom.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hawaii 5-0 or Police as in the 5-0. =) -billy > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > blackjack (It's a gamble) > tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) > > > p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about > needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. > > Jaguar.. uh rats... > wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. > I dunno.. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 16:22:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0595837B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C1DA43E3B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:22:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0092.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.92] helo=mindspring.com) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 187m37-0004pG-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:22:01 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC31A5D.3AE700A1@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:20:45 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Kohler Cc: Julian Elischer , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marketting name? References: <3DC3017C.4040304@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ray Kohler wrote: > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > > I very much agree that a name is a great idea for a release, but just > _what_ to name it is tough... Something random and surreal would be > best, I think (and points of for whoever makes the obvious /dev/random > pun...). Sagan? BHA? 8-) 8-). "Pink"? 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-). NextNextStep? TFYAC... "Twenty-Five Years And Counting"? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 16:25:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B73FC37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:25:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483B043E7B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:25:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0092.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.92] helo=mindspring.com) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 187m6B-0001sY-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:25:12 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC31B1C.81074336@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:23:56 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Goebbels Cc: 'Julian Elischer' , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? References: <200211012235.gA1MZSe02040@picard.skynet.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Mario Goebbels wrote: > Do it like everyone else and pick location names... My proposition. > > Can't think of any cool ones. Maybe FreeBSD 5.0 'Niagara' or something > :) Cleveland? Dresden? Tunguska? ...I'm thinking place names = not so good an idea... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 16:26:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CF0837B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:26:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC15D43E6E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:26:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0092.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.92] helo=mindspring.com) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 187m7V-0003pg-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:26:33 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC31B6D.7C978306@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:25:17 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Anderson Cc: Ray Kohler , Julian Elischer , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marketting name? References: <3DC3017C.4040304@cox.net> <3DC301D7.6090107@centtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Eric Anderson wrote: > How about Alcatraz? Stable, solid, secure as hell. Hee hee hee... "Roswell" -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 16:27:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BA337B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:27:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bastet.rfc822.net (bastet.rfc822.net [64.81.113.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECB043E4A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:27:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pde@bastet.rfc822.net) Received: by bastet.rfc822.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4AB149F1A3; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:28:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:28:12 -0600 From: Pete Ehlke To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021102002812.GA40195@rfc822.net> References: <3DC30F70.3070007@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DC30F70.3070007@acm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Nov 02, 2002 at 12:34:08AM +0100, stephan mantler wrote: > Julian Elischer wrote: > >SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > > >Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > >slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > > >blackjack (It's a gamble) > > - bsd daemon associations: > snowflake (particularly amusing), trident, hellfire,... > > - version number: > pinkie (5th finger), australia (the "fifth continent"), Obviously, then: *<--Perth -P. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 16:33:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5928E37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:33:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net (conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECA4E43E75 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:33:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0092.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.92] helo=mindspring.com) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 187mED-0005tf-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:33:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC31D0D.6ED82205@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:32:13 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tony Cc: Julian Elischer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org tony wrote: > > Vanguard does have a nice ring to it. Oh, brutal... name it after a rocket that exploded on the launch pad on 6 December 1957, attempting to launch a satellite to compete with the Russian launch of Sputnik... commonly called "Kauptnik" by the world press at the time... "Test of Vanguard launch vehicle for U.S. International Geophysical Year (IGY) program to place satellite in Earth orbit to determine atmospheric density and conduct geodetic measurements. Malfunction in first stage caused vehicle to lose thrust after two seconds and vehicle was destroyed. Photo released by U.S. Navy." http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2001-000008.jpg -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 16:45:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F073C37B404 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C9343E6E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:45:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0092.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.92] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 187mPp-00004t-00; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:45:29 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC31FDC.E41AF02B@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 16:44:12 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: stephan mantler , Julian Elischer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? References: <3DC30F70.3070007@acm.org> <009701c28200$40d3d2f0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." wrote: > > DANTE!!! SISPHYUS! TANTALUS! [Insert name of other person in your local version of Hell here] -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 17:20:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AB837B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail19b.rapidsite.net (mail19b.rapidsite.net [161.58.134.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 024B243E88 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:20:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rob@pythonemproject.com) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19b.rapidsite.net (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 087360 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:20:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC326EF.344548BB@pythonemproject.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 17:14:23 -0800 From: Rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG" Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? References: <3DC30F70.3070007@acm.org> <009701c28200$40d3d2f0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <3DC31FDC.E41AF02B@mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jihad. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 17:57: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01CBD37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:57:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96CCB43E75 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 17:57:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout02.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4X00LJ5EQDMR@mtaout02.icomcast.net> for freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:56:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:56:47 -0500 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-reply-to: <20021101184632.GA91829@alicia.nttmcl.com> To: Shannon -jj Behrens Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , "f.johan.beisser" , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <586C68A0-EE06-11D6-B5E5-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 01:46 PM, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: > On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 09:15:08PM -0600, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, > S.P. wrote: >> www.daleco.biz/daemonshield.html > > ROFL (don't look up my skirt!) > Can't...resist....click....on....url AHHHHHH --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 18: 0:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A0F37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:00:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E0EA43E42 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4X0011CEWIJH@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:00:19 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 21:00:30 -0500 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? In-reply-to: <3DC31FDC.E41AF02B@mindspring.com> To: Terry Lambert Cc: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." , stephan mantler , Julian Elischer , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Friday, November 1, 2002, at 07:44 PM, Terry Lambert wrote: > "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." wrote: >> >> DANTE!!! > > SISPHYUS! > TANTALUS! > [Insert name of other person in your local version of Hell here] > MANILOW --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 18:20: 0 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33A7237B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from hardtime.linuxman.net (hardtime.linuxman.net [66.147.26.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C55943E7B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:19:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gh@over-yonder.net) Received: from mortis.over-yonder.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hardtime.linuxman.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA247Zk11678 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:07:36 -0600 Received: by mortis.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 1012) id EC2FB1F1B; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:19:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:19:54 -0600 From: "Daniel M. Kurry" To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021102021954.GC24898@over-yonder.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i-fullermd.1 X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 02:02:41PM -0800 I heard the voice of Julian Elischer, and lo! it spake thus: > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. In response to this thread as a whole... You guys aren't, like, serious, are you? I mean, not really serious, right? This thread is a joke, right? Isn't it? Surely nobody would want to start naming FreeBSD releases, right? Right? Dan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 18:34:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A6B37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:34:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCAF43E6E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 18:34:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.137] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A957127A0064; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 20:32:55 -0600 Message-ID: <016001c28218$15f096f0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: "stephan mantler" , "Julian Elischer" , References: <3DC30F70.3070007@acm.org> <009701c28200$40d3d2f0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <3DC31FDC.E41AF02B@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:32:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Terry Lambert" To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: "stephan mantler" ; "Julian Elischer" ; Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [-current] -current marcketting name? > "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." wrote: > > > > DANTE!!! > > SISPHYUS! > TANTALUS! > [Insert name of other person in your local version of Hell here] > > -- Terry > Was he IN it? Or just wrote about it? While there, how bout "Tartarus", "Sheol", "Gehenna".... place names, indeed :-) KDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 19: 4:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09FAA37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:04:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from bsdone.bsdwins.com (www.bsdwins.com [192.58.184.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B92043E9E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:04:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jwd@bsdwins.com) Received: from bsdone.bsdwins.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bsdone.bsdwins.com (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA22pWW2090624; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:51:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jwd@www.bsdwins.com) Received: (from jwd@localhost) by bsdone.bsdwins.com (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id gA22pUlh090623; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:51:30 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:51:30 -0500 From: John To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021102025130.GA90543@BSDWins.Com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Julian Elischer's Original Message ----- > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) hotair upintheair > blackjack (It's a gamble) > tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) Then we have the production release technical terms: slushy foggy slurpy icey iced (maybe for 5.3 ?) > p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about > needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. 5.0-COOLSTUFF 5.0-LINUXULATOR (ok, maybe not) 5.0-THREADS'R'US 5.0-BETTERBSD! Later, John > Jaguar.. uh rats... > wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. > I dunno.. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 20:17:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E22A37B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:17:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D7AF43E4A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:17:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (qmail 21249 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 04:10:14 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialinpool-21.upnet.gr (HELO gray.sea.gr) (root@150.140.128.233) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 04:10:14 -0000 Received: from gray.sea.gr (gray [127.0.0.1]) by gray.sea.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA24HlD3013631; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:17:48 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by gray.sea.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA24Hk08013630; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:17:46 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:17:45 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: -current marketing name? Message-ID: <20021102041745.GE4853@gray.sea.gr> References: <1036191057.719.22736.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1036191057.719.22736.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-11-01 16:50, "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: > Here are a few of my own: > > ... > Neptune Hmmm, planets! Shall we name each release of the 5.x branch with planet names, starting from Mercury and moving one planet further from the Sun with each minor release? So that... 5.0 = Mercury ... 5.2 = Earth ... Now, that's something I'd love :) Giorgos. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 20:28:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A628437B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:28:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95CCA43E4A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 20:28:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.137] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id A3E814B30064; Fri, 01 Nov 2002 22:26:16 -0600 Message-ID: <027d01c28227$d3efaab0$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 22:25:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? > ----- Julian Elischer's Original Message ----- > > > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. I think I've GOT IT!! Let's call it: 5.0-RELEASE !!!! Catchy, eh? I'll bet they use it..... :-P KDK To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 21:23:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2A537B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:23:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from stox.sa.enteract.com (stox.sa.enteract.com [207.229.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47E543E3B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:22:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stox.sa.enteract.com (8.12.6/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gA25KmDR040366; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 23:20:49 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stox@imagescape.com) Subject: Re: -current marketing name? From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: Giorgos Keramidas Cc: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <20021102041745.GE4853@gray.sea.gr> References: <1036191057.719.22736.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> <20021102041745.GE4853@gray.sea.gr> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 01 Nov 2002 23:20:48 -0600 Message-Id: <1036214450.719.23925.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 22:17, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2002-11-01 16:50, "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: > > Here are a few of my own: > > > > ... > > Neptune > > > Hmmm, planets! Shall we name each release of the 5.x branch with > planet names, starting from Mercury and moving one planet further from > the Sun with each minor release? So that... > > 5.0 = Mercury > ... > 5.2 = Earth > ... Planets are interesting, but gets problematic once you get out to Uranus. Somehow, that sounds more appropriate for a Microsoft release. Until then, I like it. Actually, the image, I had in mind, when I suggested Neptune, was of the Greek god crossing tridents with our favorite daemon friend. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Nov 1 21:28:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9986137B401 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:28:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from nic.upatras.gr (nic.upatras.gr [150.140.129.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B9E8943E3B for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:28:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (qmail 29994 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 05:21:17 -0000 Received: from upnet-dialinpool-21.upnet.gr (HELO gray.sea.gr) (root@150.140.128.233) by nic.upatras.gr with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 05:21:17 -0000 Received: from gray.sea.gr (gray [127.0.0.1]) by gray.sea.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA25SoD3016860; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:28:50 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by gray.sea.gr (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA25SorU016859; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:28:50 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:28:49 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: "Kenneth P. Stox" Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: -current marketing name? Message-ID: <20021102052849.GF4853@gray.sea.gr> References: <1036191057.719.22736.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> <20021102041745.GE4853@gray.sea.gr> <1036214450.719.23925.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1036214450.719.23925.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2002-11-01 23:20, "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 22:17, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > Hmmm, planets! Shall we name each release of the 5.x branch with > > planet names, starting from Mercury and moving one planet further from > > the Sun with each minor release? So that... > > > > 5.0 = Mercury > > ... > > 5.2 = Earth > > Planets are interesting, but gets problematic once you get out to > Uranus. Somehow, that sounds more appropriate for a Microsoft release. Ehm, I was sort of hoping we would be able to get to 6.0 before there was ever a need for a 5.10. But you're right :) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 0:11:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2356C37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:11:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FA3C43E7B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:11:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gA28B49d077069; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:11:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 01 Nov 2002 14:02:41 PST." Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 09:11:04 +0100 Message-ID: <77068.1036224664@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In message , Ju lian Elischer writes: > >SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > >Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) >slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) 5.0-OVERDUE -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 0:36:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB06537B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from post-20.mail.nl.demon.net (post-20.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A30343E6E for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:36:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cls@raggedclown.net) Received: from [212.238.197.102] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-20.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 187tlj-000AWh-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:36:35 +0000 Received: from willow.raggedclown.net (willow.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.10]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [dawn]) with ESMTP id 1ED9CD45C for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:36:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by willow.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [willow], from userid 1009) id C5A6222595; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:31:26 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:31:26 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021102083126.GA1211@raggedclown.net> References: <77068.1036224664@critter.freebsd.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <77068.1036224664@critter.freebsd.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org multics :) -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands Email: cls@raggedclown.net Tel : +31 (0)10 4764595 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 0:36:39 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7B137B404 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from post-20.mail.nl.demon.net (post-20.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C51343E8A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:36:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cls@raggedclown.net) Received: from [212.238.197.102] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-20.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 187tlj-000AWi-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:36:35 +0000 Received: from willow.raggedclown.net (willow.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.10]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [dawn]) with ESMTP id 5C3F4E956 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:36:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by willow.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [willow], from userid 1009) id F29DD22592; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:03:13 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:03:13 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marketting name? Message-ID: <20021101230313.GA41261@raggedclown.net> References: <3DC3017C.4040304@cox.net> <3DC301D7.6090107@centtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3DC301D7.6090107@centtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 04:36:07PM -0600, Eric Anderson wrote: > How about Alcatraz? Stable, solid, secure as hell. > Hey that's just a tourist attraction in the San Francisco bay .. mmm... -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands Email: cls@raggedclown.net Tel : +31 (0)10 4764595 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 0:36:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36B937B406 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:36:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from post-21.mail.nl.demon.net (post-21.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D57743E91 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:36:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cls@raggedclown.net) Received: from [212.238.197.102] (helo=mailhost.raggedclown.net) by post-21.mail.nl.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 187tlj-0006zD-00 for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:36:35 +0000 Received: from willow.raggedclown.net (willow.raggedclown.intra [192.168.1.10]) by mailhost.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Mail Gateway [dawn]) with ESMTP id 82578E998 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:36:34 +0100 (CET) Received: by willow.raggedclown.net (Ragged Clown Host [willow], from userid 1009) id 5D0D422594; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:04:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:04:31 +0100 From: Cliff Sarginson To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marketing name? Message-ID: <20021101230431.GB41261@raggedclown.net> References: <1036191057.719.22736.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1036191057.719.22736.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about "Multics" :) -- Regards Cliff Sarginson The Netherlands Email: cls@raggedclown.net Tel : +31 (0)10 4764595 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 0:40:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844E937B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:40:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from InterJet.elischer.org (12-232-206-8.client.attbi.com [12.232.206.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC4E743E3B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:40:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@elischer.org) Received: from localhost (localhost.elischer.org [127.0.0.1]) by InterJet.elischer.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA50574; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:35:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: Julian Elischer To: Jimi Thompson Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? In-Reply-To: <001201c28244$a8c5af70$c1f23c04@swift> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Jimi Thompson wrote: > Do you have a "theme" that's normally used? Like "fish" or "birds" or > anything? If not, I would suggest that a theme be chosen first. This will > alleviate this headache when it comes time for the next release. It will > also be the occasion of much guessing and even gambling on what the next one > in the series will be. > > I vote that we use world capitals. We can go with some of the more obscure > countries, at least in the beginning - like Cabon (It's in Africa and the > capital is Libreville) and that should provide several years worth of both > education and enlightenment, as well as names. Besides that, they are > unique. It's one list where you don't have to worry about duplicates. In > addition, you should be able to arrange for some small amount of publicity > from the "sponsoring" country. BSD has a short history of Nevada towns (as mentionned) but it'd be nice to have a name that implies competent innovation or something :) .. Edison, Tesla, Galileo, Newton.... I'd go for tesla for 5.0 myself :) > > Failing that, you may feel free to name it after me. I have 2 nephews, a > dog and hamster already named after me so you may as well join in the fun. > > My 2 cents, > > Ms. Jimi Thompson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julian Elischer" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:02 PM > Subject: -current marcketting name? > > > > > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > > slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > > > blackjack (It's a gamble) > > tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) > > > > > > p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about > > needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. > > > > Jaguar.. uh rats... > > wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. > > I dunno.. > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 1:59:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB1BA37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:59:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from marvin.bsdng.org (24-159-234-52.jvl.wi.charter.com [24.159.234.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E846343E88 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 01:59:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkm@marvin.bsdng.org) Received: from marvin.bsdng.org (marvin [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.bsdng.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA29vtVH019492; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:57:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mkm@marvin.bsdng.org) Received: (from mkm@localhost) by marvin.bsdng.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA29vsfO019491; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:57:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 03:57:54 -0600 From: Kyle Martin To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021102095754.GA19456@marvin.bsdng.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: Re: -current marcketting name? 5.Doh! Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 02:02:41PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 14:02:41 -0800 (PST) > From: Julian Elischer > To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: -current marcketting name? > > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > 5.Doh! with a new beastie mascot pic found at: http://www.nazeing.demon.co.uk/evilhom.gif -- Kyle Martin mkm@ieee.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 2: 2:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56F437B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:02:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from marvin.bsdng.org (24-159-234-52.jvl.wi.charter.com [24.159.234.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBF943E75 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:02:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mkm@marvin.bsdng.org) Received: from marvin.bsdng.org (marvin [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.bsdng.org (8.12.6/8.12.5) with ESMTP id gA2A11VH019517; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:01:01 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mkm@marvin.bsdng.org) Received: (from mkm@localhost) by marvin.bsdng.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gA2A11cW019516; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:01:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 04:01:01 -0600 From: Kyle Martin To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021102100101.GB19456@marvin.bsdng.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 02:02:41PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > How about some sort of mention (or hint if blatantly mentioning would be a bad idea) of the groups and firms that have funded a lot of the new technology in 5.0? namely NAI Labs and DARPA. -- Kyle Martin mkm@ieee.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 2:32: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D9437B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781BC43E6E for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 02:32:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.186]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 187vZU-000MfF-0Y; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 10:32:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:30:34 +0000 To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@freebsd.org From: Kevin Golding Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Someone, quite probably Julian Elischer, once wrote: >SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. >blackjack (It's a gamble) >tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) Laughlin, Pyramid, or better yet, Wadsworth. The last one could be a transition between Nevada names and brands of beer, or it could relate to that Longfellow chap. Kevin -- kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 5: 8:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D1737B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 05:08:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 722DD43E75 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 05:08:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pmes@attbi.com) Received: from attbi.com ([66.41.138.63]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021102130846.HTLG16414.sccrmhc03.attbi.com@attbi.com>; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:08:46 +0000 Message-ID: <3DC3CE34.40207@attbi.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 07:08:04 -0600 From: Peter Schultz Organization: jocose.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.2b) Gecko/20021031 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Julian Elischer wrote: > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) > slug, monkey, heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > blackjack (It's a gamble) > tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) > > > p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very serious about > needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. > > Jaguar.. uh rats... > wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. > I dunno.. > How about, "blowhole." Pete... To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 5:26:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8D037B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 05:26:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from narva27.aklubi.ee (narva27.aklubi.ee [193.40.32.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FADF43E4A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 05:26:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Andres.Aitsen@mail.ee) Received: from mail.ee (t652.narva27.ee [192.168.27.23]) by narva27.aklubi.ee (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA2DEFd29273 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 15:14:16 +0200 Message-ID: <3DC3D299.477171A0@mail.ee> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:26:49 +0200 From: Andres Aitsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? References: <200211012235.gA1MZSe02040@picard.skynet.be> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org How about some slightly devilish female name? Andres Aitsen Andres.Aitsen@mail.ee Mario Goebbels wrote: > > Do it like everyone else and pick location names... My proposition. > > Can't think of any cool ones. Maybe FreeBSD 5.0 'Niagara' or something > :) > > -mg > > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > > > > Off the top of my head FreeBSD 5.0 "banana" :-) slug, monkey, > > heffalump, peach, blender... :-) > > > > blackjack (It's a gamble) > > tahoe, reno amd vegas are gone, but "silver city" is up for grabs :-) > > > > > > p.s. while the names suggested are humourous I am very > > serious about needing some name upon which we can hang some hoopla. > > > > Jaguar.. uh rats... > > wolfpack, scout, vanguard.. > > I dunno.. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 6: 9:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF13637B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:09:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDD243E8A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 06:09:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.137] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AC1C81E7006E; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 08:07:24 -0600 Message-ID: <031601c28279$16a45f80$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "Andres Aitsen" Cc: References: <200211012235.gA1MZSe02040@picard.skynet.be> <3DC3D299.477171A0@mail.ee> Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:06:48 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org From: "Andres Aitsen" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:26 AM Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? > How about some slightly devilish female name? > > Andres Aitsen > > Andres.Aitsen@mail.ee > AAh, that'd be 5.0 JANET Reno........ ;-) KDK (apologies to the other side of the pond...strictly US humor) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 7:28: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6C437B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:28:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hughes-fe02.direcway.com (hughes-fe02.direcway.com [66.82.20.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F8F43E7B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:28:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wmprice@direcway.com) Received: from jerusalem ([66.82.54.35]) by hughes-fe02.direcway.com (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license dcc4e84cb8fc01ca8f8654c982ec8526) with ESMTP id <20021102152419.URWI14813.hughes-fe02@jerusalem>; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:24:19 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: "Weston M. Price" To: "Kenneth P. Stox" , Giorgos Keramidas Subject: Re: -current marketing name? Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:18:23 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: FreeBSD Chat References: <20021102041745.GE4853@gray.sea.gr> <1036214450.719.23925.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> In-Reply-To: <1036214450.719.23925.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211021018.23266.wmprice@direcway.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org What about Prometheus?=20 Weston On Saturday 02 November 2002 12:20 am, Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > On Fri, 2002-11-01 at 22:17, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2002-11-01 16:50, "Kenneth P. Stox" wrote: > > > Here are a few of my own: > > > > > > ... > > > Neptune > > > > Hmmm, planets! Shall we name each release of the 5.x branch with > > planet names, starting from Mercury and moving one planet further fro= m > > the Sun with each minor release? So that... > > > > =095.0 =3D Mercury > > =09... > > =095.2 =3D Earth > > =09... > > Planets are interesting, but gets problematic once you get out to > Uranus. Somehow, that sounds more appropriate for a Microsoft release. > Until then, I like it. Actually, the image, I had in mind, when I > suggested Neptune, was of the Greek god crossing tridents with our > favorite daemon friend. > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 7:37:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44DD637B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:37:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from everlast.whitebird.no (everlast.whitebird.no [217.118.36.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967F043E88 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 07:37:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arvinn@whitebird.no) Received: from everlast.whitebird.no (localhost.whitebird.no [127.0.0.1]) by everlast.whitebird.no (Postfix) with SMTP id 263885918; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:43:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from 217.118.33.65 (SquirrelMail authenticated user arvinn) by everlast.whitebird.no with HTTP; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:43:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3712.217.118.33.65.1036251833.squirrel@everlast.whitebird.no> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:43:53 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: 'FreeBSD as a Desktop' heh, heh.... From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Arvinn_L=F8kkebakken?=" To: In-Reply-To: <01d501c281ef$436f7520$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> References: <01d501c281ef$436f7520$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.8) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > Greetings.... > > I don't want to revisit that controversial > thread of some months ago, but I'm thinking > of dedicating a disk to FreeBSD on a machine > in my home...not as a server, but for browsing, > word processing, mail reading, etc. > > a. Will a 475 Athlon be "horse" enough? > > b. I've run FBSD on 3 servers for over > a year now, what's my best bet for getting > X and _____ up without stomping a hole > in the floor? > > c. What should I put in the _____ > in the above question? > You should read this article: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/09/05/FreeBSD_Basics.html It's good :) Arvinn To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 8: 9:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14E2737B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.interfold.com (mail.interfold.com [66.252.192.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA81543E42 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 08:09:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rloef@interfold.com) Received: (qmail 89536 invoked from network); 2 Nov 2002 16:09:40 -0000 Received: from wc-du-200-193-252-66.wcox.com (66.252.193.200) by 0 with SMTP; 2 Nov 2002 16:09:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:09:51 -0700 (MST) From: Reed Loefgren X-X-Sender: rloef@thefronny.jmla.com To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? In-Reply-To: <3DC3D299.477171A0@mail.ee> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Arcadia ---------- There is a leisure class at both ends of the financial spectrum. - David Dunblazier To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 9:17:45 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B171337B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:17:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (mail19a.dulles19-verio.com [161.58.134.133]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2561943E7B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:17:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rob@pythonemproject.com) Received: from www.pythonemproject.com (198.104.176.109) by mail19a.dulles19-verio.com (RS ver 1.0.63s) with SMTP id 035496 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:17:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3DC407FF.50834B05@pythonemproject.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 09:14:40 -0800 From: Rob X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.2 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: chat@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop-Detect: 1 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org OK, one more try, like Lindows: Bindows Rob. -- ----------------------------- The Numeric Python EM Project www.pythonemproject.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 10:20:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B9C837B404 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from c3po.skynet.be (c3po.skynet.be [195.238.3.237]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D9B43E42 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:20:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mariog@tomservo.cc) Received: from TSO (60.99-200-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.200.99.60]) by c3po.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with ESMTP id gA2IK9709742; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:20:09 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-Id: <200211021820.gA2IK9709742@c3po.skynet.be> From: "Mario Goebbels" To: "'Julian Elischer'" , Subject: RE: -current marcketting name? Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:20:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.4523 In-Reply-To: <3DC31B1C.81074336@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3663.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Do it like everyone else and pick location names... My proposition. > > > > Can't think of any cool ones. Maybe FreeBSD 5.0 'Niagara' > or something > > :) > > Cleveland? Dresden? Tunguska? > > ...I'm thinking place names = not so good an idea... (forgot to hit reply all) Maybe picking names out of the period table? Names from astronomy? Like star or galaxy names? Stealing code names from military projects maybe? That SR-75 prototype plane is codenamed Aurora. FreeBSD 5.0 "Aurora", does that sound like a rip-off? -mg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 11:37: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93FF837B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:37:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from tntpro.com (dsl-207-5-188-75.gwi.net [207.5.188.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC4A43E75 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:36:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.com) Received: from lappy (dhcp201.tntpro.com [192.168.0.201]) by tntpro.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with SMTP id gA2Janq3028339; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:36:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tony@tntpro.com) From: "tony" To: "Terry Lambert" Cc: "Julian Elischer" , Subject: RE: -current marcketting name? Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:36:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3DC31D0D.6ED82205@mindspring.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I would prefer to think of its definition other then things that happened almost 50 years ago van.guard Pronunciation Key (vngard) 1. The foremost position in an army or fleet advancing into battle. 2. The foremost or leading position in a trend or movement. -----Original Message----- From: Terry Lambert [mailto:tlambert2@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 7:32 PM To: tony Cc: Julian Elischer; chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? tony wrote: > > Vanguard does have a nice ring to it. Oh, brutal... name it after a rocket that exploded on the launch pad on 6 December 1957, attempting to launch a satellite to compete with the Russian launch of Sputnik... commonly called "Kauptnik" by the world press at the time... "Test of Vanguard launch vehicle for U.S. International Geophysical Year (IGY) program to place satellite in Earth orbit to determine atmospheric density and conduct geodetic measurements. Malfunction in first stage caused vehicle to lose thrust after two seconds and vehicle was destroyed. Photo released by U.S. Navy." http://grin.hq.nasa.gov/IMAGES/SMALL/GPN-2001-000008.jpg -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 12:20:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA6C37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from pioneernet.net (mail.pioneernet.net [207.115.64.224]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D97043E7B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:20:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chip@wiegand.org) Received: from chipster.wiegand.org [66.114.152.128] by pioneernet.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A37312D100B4; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 12:20:03 -0800 Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:20:42 -0800 From: chip wiegand To: "Arvinn Løkkebakken" Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 'FreeBSD as a Desktop' heh, heh.... Message-Id: <20021102112042.735e007d.chip@wiegand.org> In-Reply-To: <3712.217.118.33.65.1036251833.squirrel@everlast.whitebird.no> References: <01d501c281ef$436f7520$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> <3712.217.118.33.65.1036251833.squirrel@everlast.whitebird.no> Organization: Alternative Operating Systems X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.7) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:43:53 +0100 (CET) "Arvinn Løkkebakken" wrote: > > Greetings.... > > > > I don't want to revisit that controversial > > thread of some months ago, but I'm thinking > > of dedicating a disk to FreeBSD on a machine > > in my home...not as a server, but for browsing, > > word processing, mail reading, etc. > > > > a. Will a 475 Athlon be "horse" enough? Until last week, the last 4 years of so I've been running freebsd as my desktop, only os on the computer, on an old AMD K6-2/350 to do just what you mention above. No problems whatsoever. Now I've finally upgraded to a 1.33ghz machine, ,what a differance in speed! > > b. I've run FBSD on 3 servers for over > > a year now, what's my best bet for getting > > X and _____ up without stomping a hole > > in the floor? Install whatever you want through the ports system, then maintanance will be much easier. -- Chip W > > c. What should I put in the _____ > > in the above question? > > > > You should read this article: > > http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2002/09/05/FreeBSD_Basics.html > > It's good :) > > Arvinn > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 12:54:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF6037B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:54:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36F0243E3B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:54:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4Y00IZEVFCM1@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:54:49 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:54:50 -0500 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? In-reply-to: <3DC407FF.50834B05@pythonemproject.com> To: Rob Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <5400863E-EEA5-11D6-B14E-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 12:14 PM, Rob wrote: > OK, one more try, like Lindows: Bindows > Dindows? > Rob. > > > > > > > -- > ----------------------------- > The Numeric Python EM Project > > www.pythonemproject.com > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 12:55:17 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958BA37B404 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:55:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10C943E6E for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 12:55:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.4 (built Aug 5 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4Y00ML2VG1FY@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:55:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 15:55:14 -0500 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? In-reply-to: <200211021820.gA2IK9709742@c3po.skynet.be> To: Mario Goebbels Cc: 'Julian Elischer' , chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <62809FBF-EEA5-11D6-B14E-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 01:20 PM, Mario Goebbels wrote: >>> Do it like everyone else and pick location names... My proposition. >>> >>> Can't think of any cool ones. Maybe FreeBSD 5.0 'Niagara' >> or something >>> :) >> >> Cleveland? Dresden? Tunguska? >> >> ...I'm thinking place names = not so good an idea... > > (forgot to hit reply all) > > Maybe picking names out of the period table? Names from astronomy? Like > star or galaxy names? Stealing code names from military projects maybe? > That SR-75 prototype plane is codenamed Aurora. FreeBSD 5.0 "Aurora", > does that sound like a rip-off? > Aluminum? Apple already has Titanium.... > -mg > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 13:18: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9128A37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:18:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from vador.skynet.be (vador.skynet.be [195.238.3.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D07143E4A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:17:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mariog@tomservo.cc) Received: from TSO (60.99-200-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.200.99.60]) by vador.skynet.be (8.11.6/8.11.6/Skynet-OUT-2.20) with ESMTP id gA2LHmm01914; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:17:48 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Message-Id: <200211022117.gA2LHmm01914@vador.skynet.be> From: "Mario Goebbels" To: "'Larry Sica'" Cc: "'Julian Elischer'" , Subject: RE: -current marcketting name? Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:17:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 11.0.4523 In-Reply-To: <62809FBF-EEA5-11D6-B14E-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3663.0 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > >>> Do it like everyone else and pick location names... My > proposition. > >>> > >>> Can't think of any cool ones. Maybe FreeBSD 5.0 'Niagara' > >> or something > >>> :) > >> > >> Cleveland? Dresden? Tunguska? > >> > >> ...I'm thinking place names = not so good an idea... > > > > (forgot to hit reply all) > > > > Maybe picking names out of the period table? Names from astronomy? > > Like star or galaxy names? Stealing code names from > military projects maybe? > > That SR-75 prototype plane is codenamed Aurora. FreeBSD 5.0 > "Aurora", > > does that sound like a rip-off? > > > > Aluminum? Apple already has Titanium.... Alaska Antartica Siberia ...coz FreeBSD is cool? :) http://windlegends.org/windnames.htm Here is a site with names of various winds. A couple of nice ones in there, if it needs to sound weird and exotic. It also mentions "Dust Devil" which sounds nice. -mg To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 13:36:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290F837B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:36:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773DE43E42 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 13:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0129.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.129] helo=mindspring.com) by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1885vp-0004nB-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:35:49 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC444D6.4E144B4@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:34:14 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Weston M. Price" Cc: "Kenneth P. Stox" , Giorgos Keramidas , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: -current marketing name? References: <20021102041745.GE4853@gray.sea.gr> <1036214450.719.23925.camel@stox.sa.enteract.com> <200211021018.23266.wmprice@direcway.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Weston M. Price" wrote: > > What about Prometheus? "Can we have your liver, then?" -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 14:33: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F297B37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:33:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DB643E75 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:33:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0129.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.129] helo=mindspring.com) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1886pE-0003yB-00; Sat, 02 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0800 Message-ID: <3DC45241.6EAED03@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 14:31:29 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Larry Sica Cc: Rob , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? References: <5400863E-EEA5-11D6-B14E-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Larry Sica wrote: > On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 12:14 PM, Rob wrote: > > OK, one more try, like Lindows: Bindows > > > > Dindows? Windex? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 16:27:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17AEE37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:27:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A1A43E6E for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:27:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25431; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:24:10 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021102172128.02686850@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:24:07 -0700 To: Shannon -jj Behrens , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-Reply-To: <20021101182353.GA91553@alicia.nttmcl.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:23 AM 11/1/2002, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: >On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 08:16:32AM -0700, Brett Glass wrote: >> My poor LCD! >> >> Where, exactly, was this person embarrassing us? Downtown >> Palo Alto? > >Yes. I thought so. I've lived in Wyoming for 10 years, and can still recognize Palo Alto's almost-too-tidy streets. If I have the location pegged correctly, that little display took place right in front of the offices of the San Jose Mercury News. (I wonder if they snapped photos as well.) >Hmm, I might have fit in better in Berkley or San Francisco. I was thinking, perhaps, the Tenderloin section of San Francisco. --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 16:28: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 371A137B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:28:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from lariat.org (lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B8F643E75 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:28:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brett@lariat.org) Received: from mustang.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.org@lariat.org [63.229.157.2]) by lariat.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25451; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 17:25:22 -0700 (MST) X-message-flag: Warning! Use of Microsoft Outlook is dangerous and makes your system susceptible to Internet worms. Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20021102172450.03828910@localhost> X-Sender: brett@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 17:25:20 -0700 To: Shannon -jj Behrens , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG From: Brett Glass Subject: Re: Go BSD!!! (halloween costume) In-Reply-To: <20021101182353.GA91553@alicia.nttmcl.com> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> <20021031194311.GA69830@alicia.nttmcl.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20021101081503.028e2960@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 11:23 AM 11/1/2002, Shannon -jj Behrens wrote: >Sometimes it's great to have a seamstress for a wife ;) After that incident, you have a wife? ;-) --Brett To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 19:34:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE43037B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:34:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from slackwit.com (static37.dsl.compuage.net [63.151.205.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463DD43E3B for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 19:34:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kelly@slackwit.com) Received: by www.slackwit.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B9D1E18CB2; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:43:22 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:43:22 -0500 From: Kelly Hendrix To: Julian Elischer Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Message-ID: <20021103024322.GA6304@www.slackwit.com> Reply-To: Kelly Hendrix References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.23.1i X-Freebsd-Version: FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I'm thinking "Jugs", short for juggernaut of course. Kelly On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 02:02:41PM -0800, Julian Elischer wrote: > > SO ok, we need a good marketting name for 5.0.. > -- ______________________________________________________________________ | There are two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a | | miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. | | | | Albert Einstein (1879-1955) | |______________________________________________________________________| To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 22: 2:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B4B37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:02:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gbronline.com (mail.gbronline.com [12.145.226.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E2D43E91 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:02:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from DaleCoportable [12.145.236.170] by mail.gbronline.com (SMTPD32-7.13) id AB9D6D09007A; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 00:01:01 -0600 Message-ID: <00ba01c282fe$4614fd80$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." To: "Kelly Hendrix" , "Julian Elischer" Cc: References: <20021103024322.GA6304@www.slackwit.com> Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 00:00:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Hendrix" To: "Julian Elischer" Cc: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:43 PM Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? > I'm thinking "Jugs", short for juggernaut of course. > > Kelly > Hmmmmm.... rhymes with bedbugs, bugs, chugs, debugs, drugs, dugs, earplugs, firebugs, fireplugs, hugs, humbugs, lugs, mugs, plugs, pugs, rugs, shrugs, slugs, thugs, tugs, unplugs..... In my mind that's 13 potential negative associations, 2 potential positive associations, and 3 or more 'questionable' associations, not to mention, the average Joe-on-the-street, in the USA, at least, will not have "juggernaut" as the first possible association for "Jugs". I think I'd reconsider that one .... :-) Kevin Kinsey To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Nov 2 23:52:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78EEE37B401 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:52:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225F543E8A for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2002 23:52:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lomifeh@earthlink.net) Received: from earthlink.net (bgp586692bgs.jdover01.nj.comcast.net [68.39.202.147]) by mtaout01.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.5 (built Sep 23 2002)) with ESMTP id <0H4Z0025VPVIPM@mtaout01.icomcast.net> for chat@FreeBSD.ORG; Sun, 03 Nov 2002 02:52:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2002 02:52:30 -0500 From: Larry Sica Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? In-reply-to: <00ba01c282fe$4614fd80$fa00a8c0@DaleCoportable> To: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-id: <34640432-EF01-11D6-B14E-000393A335A2@earthlink.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.546) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 01:00 AM, Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kelly Hendrix" > To: "Julian Elischer" > Cc: > Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:43 PM > Subject: Re: -current marcketting name? > > >> I'm thinking "Jugs", short for juggernaut of course. >> >> Kelly >> > > Hmmmmm.... rhymes with bedbugs, bugs, chugs, > debugs, drugs, dugs, earplugs, firebugs, fireplugs, > hugs, humbugs, lugs, mugs, plugs, pugs, rugs, > shrugs, slugs, thugs, tugs, unplugs..... > > In my mind that's 13 potential negative associations, > 2 potential positive associations, and 3 or more > 'questionable' associations, not to mention, the > average Joe-on-the-street, in the USA, at least, > will not have "juggernaut" as the first possible > association for "Jugs". > > I think I'd reconsider that one .... :-) Sex sells. That is a marketing axiom...look at Hooters. Is Bazongers better? ;) --Larry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message