From owner-freebsd-ia64 Sun Nov 17 2:17:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E669A37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:17:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (mailgate.nlsystems.com [62.49.251.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21AC43E4A for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 02:17:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHAHUDP001419; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:17:30 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Doug Rabson To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: libc_r: syscalls, epc and unwinding [was: Re: setjmp/longjmp and libc_r...] Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:17:29 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.ORG References: <200211140640.gAE6eNq9016231@repoman.freebsd.org> <200211161101.38075.dfr@nlsystems.com> <20021116172102.GA618@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> In-Reply-To: <20021116172102.GA618@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211171017.30008.dfr@nlsystems.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.4 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL version=2.41 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday 16 November 2002 5:21 pm, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 11:01:38AM +0000, Doug Rabson wrote: > > I thought that we already did this - we defer switching the FP > > state until the thread takes a VEC_DISABLED_FP trap. > > We always save and drop the state in the SMP case. That is, if the > CPU holds the high FP state of the thread being switched. Of course, I forgot about that part. The only alternative to that I can=20 see is cpu-locking a thread which owns the fp state . > > > > > > Thus: I want people to sign-up for a libc_r that uses > > > > > *context before 5.0-RELEASE, but preferrably tomorrow. A > > > > > well-intended timeline would be very nice... > > > > > > > > I want to see a libc_r which uses *context too. Its trivial to > > > > write thread switching this way and they are designed for it > > > > (i.e. no more MD grovelling around in the jmp_buf to setup the > > > > stack etc). I've been using makecontext/switchcontext in my own > > > > code and it works very well. Changing libc_r to switch this way > > > > should be easy if Dan hasn't already done it. > > > > > > Ok. I guess this is the best I can get. I'll work on it this > > > weekend. I'll restore the previous behaviour of setjmp/longjmp > > > while I'm at it. > > > > Thanks. Sorry if I've come over a bit dogmatic on the subject but I > > do think that using longjmp to switch stacks is dubious on any > > architecture and specially for ia64. At least switchcontext is > > designed for the job :-). > > This whole situation has put me in a place where I didn't want to be: > Dan has removed the userland *context functions and created syscalls. > This we wanted of course, but we're not ready yet to have the > syscalls. Ergo: progress on libc_r has been endangered :-( > I have a couple of approaches: Sorry about that. After thinking about this, I have no real objection to=20 leaving setjmp/longjmp the way it is as long as it goes back to the=20 efficient way as soon as we have a working set of getcontext,=20 setcontext, swapcontext. > > 1. Bite the bullet and implement EPC for syscalls. This is an ABI > breaker and best be done before release, but has high impact. As > a side-effect, I might be able to save the preserved registers as > a special case to avoid having to depend on unwinding, which we > don't have reliably yet for this purpose. Is almost a single- > commit change, but very very attractive... > 2. Finish the unwinding job I started and use it for the *context > syscalls. High impact, but can be spread over many commits; > 3. more? I had forgotten that not all of the state for getcontext and setcontext=20 was available in the trapframe. Another possible (3) would be a hybrid=20 user-syscall version which flushes the register stack and accesses the=20 floating point state in user mode. You could even recognise the=20 *context syscalls in exception.s and write them as special cases of=20 do_syscall. Come to think of it, you will almost certainly have to do the flushrs in=20 user mode. The different alignments of user and kernel stacks would=20 make doing it manually quite messy. > > On the subject of unwinding: > > I talked to David Mosberger yesterday. He told me of a case where > unwinding is being used to implement longjmp. It would be very > interesting to find out in how many steps one can unwind to the > context of setjmp and how much performance gain it gives. It probably depends on how many levels need unwinding. The setjmp would=20 be very fast though. > > Also, David is willing to change the license of his libunwind library > if he thinks that's beneficial (for him of course). I also talked to > Cary Coutant and he also has something we might use, but chances are > slimmer (HP internal source with an intention to open source it). > In short: I'm looking into ways to avoid that we have to flesh out > our own unwinder in the kernel, provided we can find code that is > suitable for our use. In this light, doing EPC now helps because > otherwise I would end up fleshing out our unwinder anyway. > > I'll give this some thought over coffee... Why would EPC syscalls make this easier? Obviously they would be faster=20 but I can't quite see how they would make it easier to switch the=20 inaccessable parts of the register state. --=20 Doug Rabson=09=09=09=09Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com =09=09=09=09=09Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Sun Nov 17 10:53:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2DD37B401 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:53:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FAA143E4A for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:53:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHIri0N042400; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAHIriih000655; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAHIripl000654; Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:53:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:53:44 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Doug Rabson Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: libc_r: syscalls, epc and unwinding [was: Re: setjmp/longjmp and libc_r...] Message-ID: <20021117185344.GA603@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <200211140640.gAE6eNq9016231@repoman.freebsd.org> <200211161101.38075.dfr@nlsystems.com> <20021116172102.GA618@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <200211171017.30008.dfr@nlsystems.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200211171017.30008.dfr@nlsystems.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 10:17:29AM +0000, Doug Rabson wrote: > > > > We always save and drop the state in the SMP case. That is, if the > > CPU holds the high FP state of the thread being switched. > > Of course, I forgot about that part. The only alternative to that I can > see is cpu-locking a thread which owns the fp state . Yes. I've been thinking about a scheme that involves IPIs, based on the assumptions that: 1. We do have processor affinity 2. The number of processes that use high FP is very small relative to the number of processes that don't use high FP. 3. The chance that there are more processes that use high FP than there are CPUs is small. The idea is to lazily keep the high FP state on a CPU (keep track of that) and use an IPI to force the CPU to drop the state. The CPU that runs the process can then grab it from the PCB. When a process needs the high FP on a CPU, but it holds the high FP of another process, than you only have to drop the state. Note that it doesn't exclude CPU locking or saving/restoring high FP all the time. You want a backup scheme in case someone does have the perceived uncommon case as the common case. > > 1. Bite the bullet and implement EPC for syscalls. This is an ABI > > breaker and best be done before release, but has high impact. As > > a side-effect, I might be able to save the preserved registers as > > a special case to avoid having to depend on unwinding, which we > > don't have reliably yet for this purpose. Is almost a single- > > commit change, but very very attractive... > > 2. Finish the unwinding job I started and use it for the *context > > syscalls. High impact, but can be spread over many commits; > > 3. more? > > I had forgotten that not all of the state for getcontext and setcontext > was available in the trapframe. Another possible (3) would be a hybrid > user-syscall version which flushes the register stack and accesses the > floating point state in user mode. You could even recognise the > *context syscalls in exception.s and write them as special cases of > do_syscall. See below. > > I talked to David Mosberger yesterday. He told me of a case where > > unwinding is being used to implement longjmp. It would be very > > interesting to find out in how many steps one can unwind to the > > context of setjmp and how much performance gain it gives. > > It probably depends on how many levels need unwinding. The setjmp would > be very fast though. Yes, I forgot to qualify the sentence with "in the common case" :-) > > In short: I'm looking into ways to avoid that we have to flesh out > > our own unwinder in the kernel, provided we can find code that is > > suitable for our use. In this light, doing EPC now helps because > > otherwise I would end up fleshing out our unwinder anyway. > > > > I'll give this some thought over coffee... > > Why would EPC syscalls make this easier? Obviously they would be faster > but I can't quite see how they would make it easier to switch the > inaccessable parts of the register state. It allows the hybrid user-syscall solution. This is what I have now: 1. USRSTACK = VM_MAX_ADDRESS = VM_MAXUSER_ADDRESS-(1024*1024) I currently deal with page faults in the 1M area by special casing them in trap.c. Probably not right, but I claim ignorance :-) 2. Syscalls look like: #define SYSCALLNUM(name) SYS_ ## name #define GATEWAY_PAGE ((5 << 61) - 1048576) #define CALLSYS_NOERROR(name) \ mov r8 = SYSCALLNUM(name) ; \ movl r14 = GATEWAY_PAGE ;; \ nop.m 0 ; \ mov b7 = r14 ; \ br.call.sptk b6 = b7 3. The "gateway" page as I call it will have the epc, the stackframe setup and such, but other than that I can do anything I want in user space. This is what I'm thinking about: 1. Provide a limited *context in the gateway pages for use by the syscalls and the signal trampoline/sigreturn. This probablt deals with the RSE and the preserved registers (no sigmask I think). 2. In the signal trampoline, save the context in the ucontext given to use. 3. For sigreturn, restore the context from the ucontext given to us Some limitations may exist due to protection and security. 4. The *context syscalls are probably mostly or completely user space. 5. For the normal syscall path, don't save the preserved registers. Only do the minimal setup required. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 0:32:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6D537B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B013043E42 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI8WD0N044170 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAI8WDih053679 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAI8WDrn053678 for ia64@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:32:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 00:32:13 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: New snapshot available shortly Message-ID: <20021118083213.GC14674@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gang, I uploaded a bootable ISO image that I created today (ie has the 64-bit time_t change). It will be available shortly on the FTP server (and any mirror). Note that the previous snapshot is considered obsolete and I asked it to be removed. The expected FTP-relative location will be: /pub/FreeBSD/development/ia64/5.0-20021117-SNAP/miniinst.iso FYI, -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 3:29:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48CB37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:29:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de (iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de [141.3.10.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B127943E3B for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 03:29:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from esk@ira.uka.de) Received: from irams1.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de ([141.3.10.5] helo=irams1.ira.uka.de) by iramx2.ira.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #10 (Debian)) id 18Dk5n-0001OV-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:29:27 +0100 Received: from i30pc5.ira.uka.de ([129.13.30.155] helo=i30pc5) by irams1.ira.uka.de with esmtp (Exim 3.30 #7 (Debian)) id 18Dk5n-0006el-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:29:27 +0100 Received: from i30nb20 ([129.13.30.70] helo=i30nb20.ira.uka.de) by i30pc5.ira.uka.de with esmtp (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.10) id 18Dk5n-0006uM-00; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:29:27 +0100 Received: from i30nb20.ira.uka.de (i30nb20.ira.uka.de [129.13.30.70] (may be forged)) by i30nb20.ira.uka.de (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id gAIBTQ53000494; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:29:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from esk@i30nb20.ira.uka.de) Received: (from esk@localhost) by i30nb20.ira.uka.de (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id gAIBTQBH000491; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:29:26 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from esk) From: Espen Skoglund MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15832.53014.422459.568935@i30nb20.ira.uka.de> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:29:26 +0100 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: ia64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libc_r: syscalls, epc and unwinding [was: Re: setjmp/longjmp and libc_r...] In-Reply-To: <20021117185344.GA603@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <200211140640.gAE6eNq9016231@repoman.freebsd.org> <200211161101.38075.dfr@nlsystems.com> <20021116172102.GA618@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <200211171017.30008.dfr@nlsystems.com> <20021117185344.GA603@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.95 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org [Marcel Moolenaar] > On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 10:17:29AM +0000, Doug Rabson wrote: >> Why would EPC syscalls make this easier? Obviously they would be faster >> but I can't quite see how they would make it easier to switch the >> inaccessable parts of the register state. > It allows the hybrid user-syscall solution. > This is what I have now: > 1. USRSTACK = VM_MAX_ADDRESS = VM_MAXUSER_ADDRESS-(1024*1024) > I currently deal with page faults in the 1M area by special > casing them in trap.c. Probably not right, but I claim > ignorance :-) > 2. Syscalls look like: > #define SYSCALLNUM(name) SYS_ ## name > #define GATEWAY_PAGE ((5 << 61) - 1048576) > #define CALLSYS_NOERROR(name) \ > mov r8 = SYSCALLNUM(name) ; \ > movl r14 = GATEWAY_PAGE ;; \ > nop.m 0 ; \ > mov b7 = r14 ; \ > br.call.sptk b6 = b7 > 3. The "gateway" page as I call it will have the epc, the stackframe > setup and such, but other than that I can do anything I want in > user space. Some questions from an ignorant non-kernel guy. Why don't you have a separate entry point for each system call rather than having each call go to the generic GETAWAY_PAGE entry point? This could allow you to do special optimizations. Some system calls, e.g., gettimeofday(), might even be run without even doing an epc. Having separate entry points should also make it a whole lot easier for the branch prediction unit to do the right thing. On the other hand, you would have to predefine the entry points in the syscall ABI, and memory/cache footprint would probably increase a bit. It would also be nice to have the getaway page mapped into the kernel region. This would allow the TLB entries for the getaway page to be shared among all address spaces. eSk To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 10: 7:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B32D37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail15.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.215]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D436F43E42 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:07:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 32245 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 18:07:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail15.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Nov 2002 18:07:23 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAII7H2D027525; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:07:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021118083213.GC14674@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:07:22 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: RE: New snapshot available shortly Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > Gang, > > I uploaded a bootable ISO image that I created today (ie has the 64-bit > time_t change). It will be available shortly on the FTP server (and > any mirror). Note that the previous snapshot is considered obsolete > and I asked it to be removed. > > The expected FTP-relative location will be: > /pub/FreeBSD/development/ia64/5.0-20021117-SNAP/miniinst.iso Could you make a DP2 release from the //depot/releng/5_dp2/... perforce tree? If you check out a p4 tree you can use EXTSRCDIR and EXTDOCDIR to use the docs and src from that tree to build your release instead of checking those out of CVS. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 10:20:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248FA37B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52FC343E75 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIIKG0N045597; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIIKNqM000698; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIIKMXW000697; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:20:22 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Espen Skoglund Cc: ia64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: libc_r: syscalls, epc and unwinding [was: Re: setjmp/longjmp and libc_r...] Message-ID: <20021118182022.GB612@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <200211140640.gAE6eNq9016231@repoman.freebsd.org> <200211161101.38075.dfr@nlsystems.com> <20021116172102.GA618@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <200211171017.30008.dfr@nlsystems.com> <20021117185344.GA603@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <15832.53014.422459.568935@i30nb20.ira.uka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15832.53014.422459.568935@i30nb20.ira.uka.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 12:29:26PM +0100, Espen Skoglund wrote: > > Why don't you have a separate entry point for each system call rather > than having each call go to the generic GETAWAY_PAGE entry point? We have a jumptable for syscalls and mostly common handling around it. It wouldn't give us anything other than code duplication. > This could allow you to do special optimizations. Some system calls, > e.g., gettimeofday(), might even be run without even doing an epc. You can still do that. You can filter based on the syscall number by simple comparisons if the number of special cases is not too large. Note also that any syscall you handle completely in userland is one that cannot trigger signal delivery. > Having separate entry points should also make it a whole lot easier > for the branch prediction unit to do the right thing. On the other > hand, you would have to predefine the entry points in the syscall ABI, > and memory/cache footprint would probably increase a bit. This would basicly make the jumptable visible to userland. Not a bad idea per se, but there's a lot of code being run as a side-effect that you then have to deal with differently. The end result may not be more efficient. > It would also be nice to have the getaway page mapped into the kernel > region. This would allow the TLB entries for the getaway page to be > shared among all address spaces. There are some obvious improvements we can do WRT to the mapping. My main objective first was a functional stub. I'm on a slight tangent now WRT saving/restoring registers but that should give us the basics for the actual syscall code and the {get|set|swap}context syscalls. The bottom line is that this opens a lot of doors and it's probably best to keep most of them closed until we got what we wanted. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 10:24:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D565737B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:24:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348F543E42; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:24:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIIOO0N045617; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:24:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIIOVqM000718; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:24:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIIOUrY000717; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:24:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:24:30 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: John Baldwin Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly Message-ID: <20021118182430.GC612@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20021118083213.GC14674@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:07:22PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > Gang, > > > > I uploaded a bootable ISO image that I created today (ie has the 64-bit > > time_t change). It will be available shortly on the FTP server (and > > any mirror). Note that the previous snapshot is considered obsolete > > and I asked it to be removed. > > > > The expected FTP-relative location will be: > > /pub/FreeBSD/development/ia64/5.0-20021117-SNAP/miniinst.iso > > Could you make a DP2 release from the //depot/releng/5_dp2/... perforce > tree? Yes, why not. Would that have the latest commits I made last night? src/release/ia64/boot_crunch.conf src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c > If you check out a p4 tree you can use EXTSRCDIR and EXTDOCDIR to > use the docs and src from that tree to build your release instead of > checking those out of CVS. Ok. I'll prepare it this evening and let it run tomorrow. Gotta go to work... :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 10:52: 3 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1206037B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:52:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail15.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.215]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF6843E88 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 10:52:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 426 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 18:52:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail15.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Nov 2002 18:52:03 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIIpj2D027682; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:51:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021118182430.GC612@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:51:49 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:07:22PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >> > Gang, >> > >> > I uploaded a bootable ISO image that I created today (ie has the 64-bit >> > time_t change). It will be available shortly on the FTP server (and >> > any mirror). Note that the previous snapshot is considered obsolete >> > and I asked it to be removed. >> > >> > The expected FTP-relative location will be: >> > /pub/FreeBSD/development/ia64/5.0-20021117-SNAP/miniinst.iso >> >> Could you make a DP2 release from the //depot/releng/5_dp2/... perforce >> tree? > > Yes, why not. > Would that have the latest commits I made last night? > src/release/ia64/boot_crunch.conf > src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c Don't think so. If those are required then you can just patch them into your build. >> If you check out a p4 tree you can use EXTSRCDIR and EXTDOCDIR to >> use the docs and src from that tree to build your release instead of >> checking those out of CVS. > > Ok. I'll prepare it this evening and let it run tomorrow. Gotta go > to work... :-) > > -- > Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 11:11:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C2037B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7134743E4A; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:11:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <2002111819114100300rhsc0e>; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 19:11:41 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIJBeIQ028959; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:11:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIJBejj028958; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:11:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211181911.gAIJBejj028958@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Baldwin Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly In-Reply-To: References: Comments: In-reply-to John Baldwin message dated "Mon, 18 Nov 2002 13:51:49 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_339652908P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:11:40 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_339652908P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:07:22PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > >> > >> On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > >> > Gang, > >> > > >> > I uploaded a bootable ISO image that I created today (ie has the 64-bit > >> > time_t change). It will be available shortly on the FTP server (and > >> > any mirror). Note that the previous snapshot is considered obsolete > >> > and I asked it to be removed. > >> > > >> > The expected FTP-relative location will be: > >> > /pub/FreeBSD/development/ia64/5.0-20021117-SNAP/miniinst.iso > >> > >> Could you make a DP2 release from the //depot/releng/5_dp2/... perforce > >> tree? > > > > Yes, why not. > > Would that have the latest commits I made last night? > > src/release/ia64/boot_crunch.conf > > src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c > > Don't think so. If those are required then you can just patch them > into your build. The 5_dp2 branch is based on the state of CURRENT as of about midnight (Friday night/Saturday morning), freefall time. Bruce. --==_Exmh_339652908P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE92Ttr2MoxcVugUsMRAvR7AKCijokMFIpxjR1wmXPRpaTOdcPkygCfQMOU K6m3GKfwHh56ypsbOXU+AFY= =Bjov -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_339652908P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 11:22:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4059337B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E7843E6E; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4740D2A7EA; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:22:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: bmah@FreeBSD.org Cc: John Baldwin , Marcel Moolenaar , ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly In-Reply-To: <200211181911.gAIJBejj028958@intruder.bmah.org> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:22:08 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20021118192208.4740D2A7EA@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Bruce A. Mah" wrote: > --==_Exmh_339652908P > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:07:22PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > >> > > >> On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > >> > Gang, > > >> > > > >> > I uploaded a bootable ISO image that I created today (ie has the 64-bi t > > >> > time_t change). It will be available shortly on the FTP server (and > > >> > any mirror). Note that the previous snapshot is considered obsolete > > >> > and I asked it to be removed. > > >> > > > >> > The expected FTP-relative location will be: > > >> > /pub/FreeBSD/development/ia64/5.0-20021117-SNAP/miniinst.iso > > >> > > >> Could you make a DP2 release from the //depot/releng/5_dp2/... perforce > > >> tree? > > > > > > Yes, why not. > > > Would that have the latest commits I made last night? > > > src/release/ia64/boot_crunch.conf > > > src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c > > > > Don't think so. If those are required then you can just patch them > > into your build. > > The 5_dp2 branch is based on the state of CURRENT as of about midnight > (Friday night/Saturday morning), freefall time. I suspect re@ is going to need to figure out a way to deal with doing releases on multiple platforms more efficiently. It was hard enough getting two platforms (i386/alpha.. but alpha was mostly dormant). Four is going to be more of a challenge, especially when 3 are active. Since the chages above are ia64-specific (either in ia64-only files, or in #ifdefs), I think the right thing to do there is to merge those few changes onto the branch and be done with it. If i386, alpha or sparc64 releases miss the ia64 changes, then too damn bad - it isn't a problem there. The other alternative is to have per-platform branches of the dp2 tree, and that isn't a pretty thought either. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 12: 3:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B09537B401 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:03:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D6143E4A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:03:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 26725 invoked from network); 18 Nov 2002 20:03:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 18 Nov 2002 20:03:29 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIK3M2D028002; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:03:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021118192208.4740D2A7EA@canning.wemm.org> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:03:26 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Peter Wemm Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar , bmah@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 18-Nov-2002 Peter Wemm wrote: > "Bruce A. Mah" wrote: >> --==_Exmh_339652908P >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >> If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> > On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >> > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:07:22PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> > >> >> > >> On 18-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >> > >> > Gang, >> > >> > >> > >> > I uploaded a bootable ISO image that I created today (ie has the 64-bi > t >> > >> > time_t change). It will be available shortly on the FTP server (and >> > >> > any mirror). Note that the previous snapshot is considered obsolete >> > >> > and I asked it to be removed. >> > >> > >> > >> > The expected FTP-relative location will be: >> > >> > /pub/FreeBSD/development/ia64/5.0-20021117-SNAP/miniinst.iso >> > >> >> > >> Could you make a DP2 release from the //depot/releng/5_dp2/... perforce >> > >> tree? >> > > >> > > Yes, why not. >> > > Would that have the latest commits I made last night? >> > > src/release/ia64/boot_crunch.conf >> > > src/usr.sbin/sysinstall/install.c >> > >> > Don't think so. If those are required then you can just patch them >> > into your build. >> >> The 5_dp2 branch is based on the state of CURRENT as of about midnight >> (Friday night/Saturday morning), freefall time. > > I suspect re@ is going to need to figure out a way to deal with doing releases > on multiple platforms more efficiently. It was hard enough getting two > platforms (i386/alpha.. but alpha was mostly dormant). Four is going to be > more of a challenge, especially when 3 are active. > > Since the chages above are ia64-specific (either in ia64-only files, or in >#ifdefs), I think the right thing to do there is to merge those few changes > onto the branch and be done with it. If i386, alpha or sparc64 releases > miss the ia64 changes, then too damn bad - it isn't a problem there. I have no problem with these changes going into the tree. In fact, I haven't even done the alpha or sparc64 builds and I can hold up until those changes are submitted if desired. The DP2 release was quite rushed b/c I think some of us were so frustrated w/ how late it was getting and how much things are dragging on. 5.0 will certainly have more coordination. Also, we really need to create an re-ia64 if we haven't already. I'm also willing to help out with re stuff on ia64 if I ever procure a box. Per-platform trees would not scale. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 12:10:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB41837B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:10:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C02543E42; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:10:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021118201008.VBYS21905.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 20:10:08 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAIKA8IQ030085; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:10:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAIKA8dx030084; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:10:08 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211182010.gAIKA8dx030084@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Baldwin Cc: Peter Wemm , ia64@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar , bmah@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly In-Reply-To: References: Comments: In-reply-to John Baldwin message dated "Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:03:26 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_601934480P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:10:08 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_601934480P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > I have no problem with these changes going into the tree. In fact, I haven't > even done the alpha or sparc64 builds and I can hold up until those changes a > re > submitted if desired. The DP2 release was quite rushed b/c I think some of u > s > were so frustrated w/ how late it was getting and how much things are draggin > g > on. 5.0 will certainly have more coordination. Also, we really need to crea > te > an re-ia64 if we haven't already. I'm also willing to help out with re stuff > on ia64 if I ever procure a box. Per-platform trees would not scale. Yep. John and I actually talked about this a bit on Friday; release candidate snapshots are actually the hardest to get consistent across the different platforms since the tree is still in flux (albeit a slow state of flux due to code freeze). We discussed using CVS date specs for this ("all platforms do a snapshot build as of noon on Thursday UTC"). Bruce. PS. Actually, that's "five platforms with four active", since pc98 is now using the stock release bits. --==_Exmh_601934480P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE92Ukg2MoxcVugUsMRApOmAKDtXSIZ53ErUr6fkkgsXL2aksYkCACeMRdZ fKuSe2r1uiH1piES6quKZHc= =Fr4s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_601934480P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Mon Nov 18 17:52:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CEB37B401; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:52:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFDA43E8A; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:52:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ1qT0N046714; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJ1qTca000609; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:52:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJ1qOeq000608; Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:52:24 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 17:52:23 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: John Baldwin Cc: Peter Wemm , ia64@FreeBSD.org, bmah@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly Message-ID: <20021119015223.GA577@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20021118192208.4740D2A7EA@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 03:03:26PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > I have no problem with these changes going into the tree. In fact, > I haven't even done the alpha or sparc64 builds and I can hold up > until those changes are submitted if desired. I'll keep them local for now. Let's get this over with and make sure we're prepared for 5.0-RELEASE. > Also, we really need to create an re-ia64 if we haven't already. I'd like to see re discussions specific to ia64 to happen on ia64@ for now. The list is relatively quiet and I think it helps perception if the few that hang around see release related discussions. Let's warm up the crowd ;-) -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 7:46:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E967D37B422 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:46:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail13.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.213]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAB943E3B for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:46:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 17665 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 15:46:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail13.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Nov 2002 15:46:14 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJFk32D030805; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:46:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021119015223.GA577@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:46:08 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org, Peter Wemm Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 03:03:26PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> I have no problem with these changes going into the tree. In fact, >> I haven't even done the alpha or sparc64 builds and I can hold up >> until those changes are submitted if desired. > > I'll keep them local for now. Let's get this over with and make sure > we're prepared for 5.0-RELEASE. I already put them into the DP2 tree. Unfortunately my DP2 builds fell over last night b/c make readmes is hosed in the ports tree. >> Also, we really need to create an re-ia64 if we haven't already. > > I'd like to see re discussions specific to ia64 to happen on ia64@ > for now. The list is relatively quiet and I think it helps perception > if the few that hang around see release related discussions. Let's > warm up the crowd ;-) > > -- > Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 9:45:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545D637B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:45:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail11.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF6843EA3 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 09:45:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 29519 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 17:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail11.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Nov 2002 17:45:55 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJHjh2D031122; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:45:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:45:47 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: re@FreeBSD.org Subject: DP2 ports.. Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bruce, Can you give me an approximate timestamp of when you built DP2 so I can try and have the ports trees for alpha and sparc64 (and possibly ia64) match those of i386? Right now the ports tree is hosed and can't get through a make readmes. In hindsight we might should have tagged ports/. Oh well. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 10: 6: 7 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A81437B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc02.attbi.com (sccrmhc02.attbi.com [204.127.202.62]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B2F43E3B; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:06:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc02.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021119180602.GROX21905.sccrmhc02.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 18:06:02 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJI62IQ042651; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:06:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJI62aC042650; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:06:02 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211191806.gAJI62aC042650@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20021119 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Baldwin Cc: re@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DP2 ports.. In-Reply-To: References: Comments: In-reply-to John Baldwin message dated "Tue, 19 Nov 2002 12:45:47 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-745262486P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:06:02 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-745262486P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > Can you give me an approximate timestamp of when you built DP2 so I > can try and have the ports trees for alpha and sparc64 (and possibly > ia64) match those of i386? Right now the ports tree is hosed and > can't get through a make readmes. In hindsight we might should have > tagged ports/. Oh well. The ports tree I used was based on ports.tar.gz from bento. Ah, foo. I was going to tell you to look in /var/portbuild/5/tarballs, but it's gone from there. Try bento:/a/bmah/5.0-DP2/ports.tgz. That's the tarball that I put on the i386 ISOs. Marcel, you should be able to login to bento and grab the file too, but if not, let me know and I'll put it somewhere more accessible. I built the 5.0-DP2 snapshots without port READMEs, but that was mainly for performance. I figure that if I'm going to overwrite the ports tarball anyways, there's no point in generating the READMEs, which seem to take forever. So telling you a timestamp for my DP2 build is probably not helpful. Bruce. PS. I have this nagging feeling that I forgot to overwrite the ports tarball for the FTP install directory. :-( --==_Exmh_-745262486P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE92n2K2MoxcVugUsMRAm5JAJ9FyKiwZGPJXNtCGPsWr7nxXU85PgCgiOoi rWBbCUpttxxT5IjuWvzS1z0= =mJTL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-745262486P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 10:22:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FCDC37B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:22:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4327843E9C; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:22:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJIMC0N050311; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:22:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJIMKJa078482; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:22:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJIMHNu078481; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:22:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:22:17 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: John Baldwin Cc: bmah@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org, Peter Wemm Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly Message-ID: <20021119182217.GB78431@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20021119015223.GA577@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 10:46:08AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > On 19-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 03:03:26PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > >> > >> I have no problem with these changes going into the tree. In fact, > >> I haven't even done the alpha or sparc64 builds and I can hold up > >> until those changes are submitted if desired. > > > > I'll keep them local for now. Let's get this over with and make sure > > we're prepared for 5.0-RELEASE. > > I already put them into the DP2 tree. I noticed. Thanks! > Unfortunately my DP2 builds > fell over last night b/c make readmes is hosed in the ports tree. I'm currently building with -DNODOC -DNOPORTS. I haven't figured out how to force the release process to actually grab the sources and do a build. We don't have packages yet. Hmmm... I can of course pre-fab the packages and tell the release process to use those... Do you know the complete set of packages that can be used during release? -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 10:42:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18B937B406 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:42:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE77943E6E for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:42:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 6464 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 18:43:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Nov 2002 18:43:01 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJIgs2D031283; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:42:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200211191806.gAJI62aC042650@intruder.bmah.org> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:42:59 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: "Bruce A. Mah" Subject: Re: DP2 ports.. Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Nov-2002 Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > >> Can you give me an approximate timestamp of when you built DP2 so I >> can try and have the ports trees for alpha and sparc64 (and possibly >> ia64) match those of i386? Right now the ports tree is hosed and >> can't get through a make readmes. In hindsight we might should have >> tagged ports/. Oh well. > > The ports tree I used was based on ports.tar.gz from bento. > Ah, foo. I was going to tell you to look in /var/portbuild/5/tarballs, > but it's gone from there. > > Try bento:/a/bmah/5.0-DP2/ports.tgz. That's the tarball that I put on > the i386 ISOs. Marcel, you should be able to login to bento and grab > the file too, but if not, let me know and I'll put it somewhere more > accessible. > > I built the 5.0-DP2 snapshots without port READMEs, but that was mainly > for performance. I figure that if I'm going to overwrite the ports > tarball anyways, there's no point in generating the READMEs, which seem > to take forever. So telling you a timestamp for my DP2 build is > probably not helpful. Erm, so you effectively did a NOPORTS release? *sigh* Perhaps it is a mistake to even be building ports and docs as part of make release. Maybe we should only build docs once in a standalone environ (though they would need their own dist if we did that) and the same for ports. I guess I'll build DP2 w/o any docs or ports for now. The docs don't build on sparc64 anyway w/o the binutils import. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 10:43: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DC237B404 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3985843E8A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:43:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 25677 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 18:43:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Nov 2002 18:43:08 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJIh12D031296; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:43:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021119182217.GB78431@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:43:06 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly Cc: Peter Wemm , ia64@FreeBSD.org, bmah@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 10:46:08AM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> On 19-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 03:03:26PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> >> >> I have no problem with these changes going into the tree. In fact, >> >> I haven't even done the alpha or sparc64 builds and I can hold up >> >> until those changes are submitted if desired. >> > >> > I'll keep them local for now. Let's get this over with and make sure >> > we're prepared for 5.0-RELEASE. >> >> I already put them into the DP2 tree. > > I noticed. Thanks! > >> Unfortunately my DP2 builds >> fell over last night b/c make readmes is hosed in the ports tree. > > I'm currently building with -DNODOC -DNOPORTS. I haven't figured out > how to force the release process to actually grab the sources and > do a build. We don't have packages yet. Hmmm... I can of course > pre-fab the packages and tell the release process to use those... Eh? make release doesn't build any packages unless you build docs. > Do you know the complete set of packages that can be used during > release? Which packages are you referring to exactly? If you mean that it doesn't succesfully fetch the distfiles to build the docproj port you can use PREFETCHDISTFILES=yes to work around that. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 10:57:15 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E50537B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD83743E6E; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJIvD0N050390; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJIvLJa078569; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJIvGpB078568; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:57:16 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: John Baldwin Cc: Peter Wemm , ia64@FreeBSD.ORG, bmah@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New snapshot available shortly Message-ID: <20021119185716.GC78431@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20021119182217.GB78431@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 01:43:06PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > > Do you know the complete set of packages that can be used during > > release? > > Which packages are you referring to exactly? If you mean that it > doesn't succesfully fetch the distfiles to build the docproj port > you can use PREFETCHDISTFILES=yes to work around that. Forget about it for now. I can't make myself clear because I'm majorly confused. I think I had some failure before at some stage that I can't even remember and it has morphed in my mind into a major lack of functionality in our release process :-/ Time to take time off from work :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 11: 0: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF44637B406; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03.attbi.com [204.127.202.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D598143E91; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:00:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org (12-240-204-110.client.attbi.com[12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc03.attbi.com (sccrmhc03) with ESMTP id <2002111919000200300rkhpse>; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:00:02 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJIxuIQ043326; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:59:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAJIxuXt043325; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:59:56 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211191859.gAJIxuXt043325@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5+ 20021119 with nmh-1.0.4 To: John Baldwin Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , ia64@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DP2 ports.. In-Reply-To: References: Comments: In-reply-to John Baldwin message dated "Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:42:59 -0500." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-521545596P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:59:56 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-521545596P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > Erm, so you effectively did a NOPORTS release? *sigh* Well...I had a full ports tree to build the docproj ports so I could build docs. I thought it would be best to have a ports tree that matched up with the package set...was that wrong? > Perhaps it > is a mistake to even be building ports and docs as part of make release. > Maybe we should only build docs once in a standalone environ (though > they would need their own dist if we did that) and the same for ports. Hrmph. The problems you see are a result of breakage that should be fixed. Note that if we build docs standalone, we'd need to do some extra work to make release docs available from the sysinstall doc menu (they need to be in the mfsroot). (On the other hand, I have some infrastructure to help build docs separately, if we decide to do this.) > I guess I'll build DP2 w/o any docs or ports for now. If you do that, can I suggest some workarounds? Use the pre-built release documentation files from the RELNOTESng snapshot site. Go to: http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/5.0-DP2/ Grab the relevant files (there should be six documents...three are MI and three are MD). A "normal" release with docs would have 13 RELNOTESng files (HTML and TXT for each of six documents, plus the CSS). I can make up tarball(s) for you if this would help? Also, you should be able to grab the regular doc distribution from the i386 bits. > The docs don't > build on sparc64 anyway w/o the binutils import. OK, well on that platform, that trumps our whole conversation. :-p Bruce. --==_Exmh_-521545596P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE92oos2MoxcVugUsMRAtv4AJ9WjTr9uXx8IHqEKP0jhUI0ShYa5ACdGR2k F7xXf14uxLUWmjyn7goexMM= =U6PW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-521545596P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 11: 5:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618FB37B401 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:05:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7821243E6E for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:05:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 10771 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2002 19:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Nov 2002 19:05:46 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAJJ5c2D031392; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:05:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200211191859.gAJIxuXt043325@intruder.bmah.org> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 14:05:43 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: "Bruce A. Mah" Subject: Re: DP2 ports.. Cc: re@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 19-Nov-2002 Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, John Baldwin wrote: > >> Erm, so you effectively did a NOPORTS release? *sigh* > > Well...I had a full ports tree to build the docproj ports so I could > build docs. > > I thought it would be best to have a ports tree that matched up with the > package set...was that wrong? Well. Not necessarily. In hindsight, what we should have done was to tag ports at some point and then have used that tag to build the releases as well as to build the packages during the package build. For the sake of a DP we can just let it slide for now. I'm just going to build with NOPORTSREADMES for now. >> Perhaps it >> is a mistake to even be building ports and docs as part of make release. >> Maybe we should only build docs once in a standalone environ (though >> they would need their own dist if we did that) and the same for ports. > > Hrmph. The problems you see are a result of breakage that should be > fixed. Note that if we build docs standalone, we'd need to do some > extra work to make release docs available from the sysinstall doc menu > (they need to be in the mfsroot). Oof, ok. > (On the other hand, I have some infrastructure to help build docs > separately, if we decide to do this.) > >> I guess I'll build DP2 w/o any docs or ports for now. > > If you do that, can I suggest some workarounds? > > Use the pre-built release documentation files from the RELNOTESng > snapshot site. Go to: > > http://people.freebsd.org/~bmah/relnotes/5.0-DP2/ > > Grab the relevant files (there should be six documents...three are MI > and three are MD). A "normal" release with docs would have 13 > RELNOTESng files (HTML and TXT for each of six documents, plus the CSS). > I can make up tarball(s) for you if this would help? > > Also, you should be able to grab the regular doc distribution from the > i386 bits. Well, since I'm just using NOPORTSREADMES on Alpha, I'll build docs on Alpha. >> The docs don't >> build on sparc64 anyway w/o the binutils import. > > OK, well on that platform, that trumps our whole conversation. :-p Yeah, no docs on sparc64 for now. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 17: 2:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB69037B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:02:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC1F443E4A; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK12T0N051158; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:02:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAK12TAx051157; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:02:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:02:29 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: re@FreeBSD.org Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: ia64 5.0-DP2 finished Message-ID: <20021119170228.A51133@kayak.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gang, The 5.0-DP2 ia64 release has finished (-DNODOC -DNOPORTS). Q1. Where to put Bruce's ports tarball he has on bento? Q2. How do you want me to hand over the 2 ISO images? -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Tue Nov 19 20:45:22 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 448EF37B401; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:45:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sccrmhc01.attbi.com (sccrmhc01.attbi.com [204.127.202.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E82943E8A; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:45:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@employees.org) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.240.204.110]) by sccrmhc01.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20021120044505.LFHB3664.sccrmhc01.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:45:05 +0000 Received: from intruder.bmah.org (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAK4j5IQ050083; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:45:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah@intruder.bmah.org) Received: (from bmah@localhost) by intruder.bmah.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAK4j4TG050082; Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:45:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211200445.gAK4j4TG050082@intruder.bmah.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: re@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ia64 5.0-DP2 finished In-Reply-To: <20021119170228.A51133@kayak.xcllnt.net> References: <20021119170228.A51133@kayak.xcllnt.net> Comments: In-reply-to Marcel Moolenaar message dated "Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:02:29 -0800." From: "Bruce A. Mah" Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_-1286342680P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:45:04 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --==_Exmh_-1286342680P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If memory serves me right, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > The 5.0-DP2 ia64 release has finished (-DNODOC -DNOPORTS). Yay! > Q1. Where to put Bruce's ports tarball he has on bento? A1. In the ports/ directory of both the FTP installation image (i.e. ${CHROOTDIR/R/ftp/) and the disc1 directory (i.e. ${CHROOTDIR}/R/cdrom/disc1/) is a ports.tgz tarball. You can overwrite that with the one from bento, but be sure to modify CHECKSUM.MD5 as appropriate. Then of course you need to regenerate the ISO image for the first disc. > Q2. How do you want me to hand over the 2 ISO images? A2. Any way you can. If you can put it where one of us can grab it, we can copy it to ftp-master (I think that jhb, murray, and I can all do this, among others). If you want to give an FTP installation directory, a tarball is best. MD5 checksums for everything, so we have at least a feel-good notion that things transfered intact. Hmmm. freefall actually seems to have enough space on /d that it can hold it, at least temporarily. Thanks! Bruce. --==_Exmh_-1286342680P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) Comment: Exmh version 2.5+ 20020506 iD8DBQE92xNQ2MoxcVugUsMRAtkLAKDMI6CIB3aM1+U0h9W96H5pABjxTwCdEYJ2 NVHX8YxqwFzuqzIC/OwNqMM= =T2Je -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_-1286342680P-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Wed Nov 20 4:55:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDD337B40B for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (node-c-173f.a2000.nl [62.194.23.63]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9746343EAA for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 04:55:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sandrasavimbi7@lycos.com) From: "sandra savimbi" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:57:28 To: freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: PLS GET BACK TO ME. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20021120125533.9746343EAA@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > DEAR FRIEND, > THIS LETTER MAY COME TO YOU AS A SURPRISE DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE > HAVE NOT YET MET. THE MESSAGE COULD BE STRANGE BUT REAL IF YOU PAY > SOME ATTENTION TO IT. I COULD HAVE NOTIFIED YOU ABOUT IT AT LEAST > FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR INTEGRITY. PLEASE ACCEPT MY SINCERE APOLOGIES. > IN BRINGING THIS MESSAGE OF GOODWILL TO YOU, I HAVE TO SAY THAT > I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF CAUSING YOU ANY PAINS. > I AM MRS. SANDRA SAVIMBI, DAUGHTER OF THE LATE REBEL LEADER JONAS > SAVIMBI OF ANGOLA WHO WAS KILLED ON THE 22ND OF FEBUARY 2002 . > MY LATE FATHER, JONAS SAVIMBI WAS ABLE TO DEPOSIT A LARGE SUM OF > MONEY IN DIFFERENT BANKS IN EUROPE AND THE MOVEMENT OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS > (INCLUDING ME) IS RESTRICTED. WE ARE FORBIDDEN TO EITHER TRAVEL > ABROAD OR OUT OF OUR LOCALITIES. PRESENTLY, THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT > MILLION, FIVE > HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MY FATHER TRANSFERRED TO NETHERLANDS IS > SAFE AND IS WITH A SECURITY FIRM. I AM THEREFORE SOLICITING YOUR > HELP TO HAVE THIS MONEY TRANSFERRED INTO YOUR ACCOUNT BEFORE MY > GOVERNMENT GET WIND OF THIS FUND. YOU MAY KNOW THAT MY FATHER WAS > A REBEL LEADER IN ANGOLA BEFORE HIS DEATH AND MY REASON FOR DOING > THIS IS BECAUSE IT WILL BE DIFFICULT FOR THE ANGOLAN GOVERNMENT > TO TRACE MY FATHER'S MONEY TO AN INDIVIDUAL'S ACCOUNT, ESPECIALLY > WHEN SUCH AN INDIVIDUAL HAS NO RELATIONSHIP WITH MY FATHER THEREBY > KEEPING THAT MONEY FOR MY FAMILY USE. AT PRESENT THE MONEY AS I > SAID IS KEPT IN A SECURITY COMPANY IN THE NETHERLAND. > I AM CURRENTLY AND TEMPORARILY LIVING IN ANGOLA WITH MY HUSBAND. MY > BROTHER HAS A REFUGEE STATUS IN THE NETHERLANDS. MOREOVER, THE POLITICAL > CLIMATE IN ANGOLA AT THE MOMENT IS SO SENSITIVE AND UNSTABLE SO > IT WILL BE BETTER WE DO THIS TRANSACTION NOW. > WITH THIS PASSWORD AND INFORMATION I WILL SEND YOU, AND THE CHANGE OF > OWNERSHIP THAT I WILL SEND TO THE SECURITY FIRM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO > REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS TO CLAIM THIS CONSIGNMENT FROM THE > SECURITY FIRM. WHEN YOU ARE READY, I WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION > NEEDED BEFORE YOU CAN GET ACCESS TO THE FUND, YOU WILL THEN PROCEED > TO NETHERLANDS WHERE YOU WILL SIGN THE FINAL RELEASE DOCUMENTS OF > THE US$8,500,000.00 EIGHT, MILLION, FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. > I WILL GIVE YOU FURTHER DETAILS WHEN I GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS LETTER > ASSURING US THAT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REPRESENT US IN THE NETHERLANDS > AND THAT YOU WILL MAKE THIS TRANSACTION CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS VERY > IMPORTANT THAT YOU GIVE ME YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS WHILE THIS IS KEPT > CONFIDENTIAL. > YOU CAN CONTACT ME WITH MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, sandrasavimbi7@lycos.com > YOU CAN ALSO SEND A COPY TO MY BROTHER WHO IS SEEKING ASSYLUM IN > THE NETHERLANDS ON;davidsavimbi1@hotmail.com > > YOURS SINCERELY, > SANDRA SAVIMBI. > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Wed Nov 20 6:41:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A006E37B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail14.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.214]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FAB43ECD for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 06:41:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 27542 invoked from network); 20 Nov 2002 14:41:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail14.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 20 Nov 2002 14:41:35 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAKEfW2D034458; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:41:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200211200445.gAK4j4TG050082@intruder.bmah.org> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 09:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: "Bruce A. Mah" Subject: Re: ia64 5.0-DP2 finished Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 20-Nov-2002 Bruce A. Mah wrote: > If memory serves me right, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > >> The 5.0-DP2 ia64 release has finished (-DNODOC -DNOPORTS). > > Yay! > >> Q1. Where to put Bruce's ports tarball he has on bento? > > A1. In the ports/ directory of both the FTP installation image (i.e. > ${CHROOTDIR/R/ftp/) and the disc1 directory > (i.e. ${CHROOTDIR}/R/cdrom/disc1/) is a ports.tgz tarball. You can > overwrite that with the one from bento, but be sure to modify > CHECKSUM.MD5 as appropriate. Then of course you need to regenerate the > ISO image for the first disc. Well, you might want to just grab all of ports off of the i386 ISO as there are checksums and install scripts in there as well. >> Q2. How do you want me to hand over the 2 ISO images? > > A2. Any way you can. If you can put it where one of us can grab it, > we can copy it to ftp-master (I think that jhb, murray, and I can all > do this, among others). If you want to give an FTP installation > directory, a tarball is best. MD5 checksums for everything, so we have > at least a feel-good notion that things transfered intact. > > Hmmm. freefall actually seems to have enough space on /d that it can > hold it, at least temporarily. Another good holding place is to create a /j/marcel on beast and put it there. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Wed Nov 20 19:11:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041D037B404; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from yahoo.ca (modemcable040.226-201-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca [24.201.226.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1A8743EA9; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 19:11:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Didier__b_r@yahoo.ca) Reply-To: Message-ID: <024a36e01c1b$8767a4c5$6ae55ee0@ecncqk> From: To: Didier_b_r@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Épargnez de 15% à 80% sur vos coûts publicitaires ! Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 16:56:13 +1000 MiME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Du bureau de Didier Bonneville-Roussy St-Barthélemy Cher ami et entrepreneur, Ceci est le premier numéro de la Lettre du marketing géométrique. Le coût de l'abonnement pour un an est de 197$. Par contre, j'ai décidé de vous envoyer cette première lettre gratuitement et de vous offrir un abonnement d'essai de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Lisez attentivement les informations que je vous livre dans ces huit pages et décidez-vous dans les 15 jours. Il y a 7 ans, lorsque j'ai commencé en marketing, je me suis rendu compte que je pouvais épargner des sommes considérables en frais de publicité en étudiant de manière approfondie la nature de la relation entre les médias et les agences de publicité, ainsi qu'entre les médias et les organismes communautaires. J'ai remarqué deux choses: les agences paient toujours moins que les autres entreprises et les organismes communautaires paient toujours moins que les agence de publicités pour faire paraître leurs annonces. J'ai découvert comment payer en tout temps le même prix que les agences (rabais de 15%) et dans certaines circonstances le même prix que les organismes communautaires (50% de rabais). Si vous me laissez vous expliquer comment tout cela fonctionne, vous serez, vous aussi, avant la fin de cette lettre, en mesure d'épargner de 15% à 80% sur vos coûts publicitaires, et même, dans certains cas, d'obtenir des pages et des pages de publicités gratuites. Commençons par les agences. À peu près tous les médias, radio, télé, journaux, magazines, les agents de listes et les sites internet offrent un rabais automatique de 15% aux agences de publicité qui placent des annonces. Lorsqu'on regarde dans le CARD (Canadian Advertising Rates And Data) et le SRDS (Standard Rates And Data Service), qui sont les deux répertoires des tarifs publicitaires, nous pouvons noter trois types de rabais: 1. Rabais au volume présenté sous forme de prix réduit par ligne agate ou sous forme de prix réduit pour un nombre prédéterminé d'insertions en un an; 2. Un rabais de 15% aux agences; 3. Un rabais pour paiement rapide (généralement de 2%). Le CARD et le SRDS portent tous deux la mention «rabais offert aux agences reconnues seulement», lorsque l'agence de publicité peut bénéficier d'un rabais. Cette mention ne vaut rien. En fait oui, elle vaut quelque chose, dans la mesure où elle vous dissuade de demander le rabais de 15% normalement attribué à l'agence, si vous ne faites pas partie d'une agence reconnue. Mais ça, les représentants publicitaires dans les différents médias ne vous le disent pas. Pourquoi? Parce qu'ils sont rémunérés à la commission et qu'il ont tout avantage à ne pas vous le dire. De plus, si vous faites vraiment partie d'une agence, vous utilisez nécessairement le CARD et le SRDS et vous savez qu'il y a de tels rabais. Voici le premier secret: il n'existe rien de tel qu'une agence reconnue. N'importe quel zouave de Saint-Clin-clin peut-être une agence reconnue. Mon petit frère de neuf ans pourrait, demain matin, devenir une agence reconnue s'il disait ces neuf petits mots: «Je veux le rabais que vous attribuez aux agences.» Certains médias sont plus désagréables que d'autres et ne vous accorderont pas de rabais pour l'agence si votre compagnie ne porte pas un nom qui ressemble vaguement à celui d'une agence de publicité. Mais, si vous êtes intelligent, ce que je crois puisque vous me lisez, vous allez courir au palais de justice et vous enregistrer un nom d'entreprise du genre «Bingo Marketing» pour 45$ et rappeler ce représentant et lui dire que vous appellez maintenant d'une agence reconnue. Et vous voilà maintenant agence reconnue. Vous avez droit à un rabais de 15%. De plus, vous avez aussi droit au rabais pour paiement rapide de 2% si vos encaisses vous le permettent. C'est, en tout, 17% de rabais sur tous vos achats publicitaires que je viens de vous faire épargner. Ceci est valable pour les journaux, les magazines, la radio, la télévision, les sites internet, les agents de listes, les posters, les publi-sacs, etc. Maintenant, pour le rabais de type volume, je ne vous conseille en aucun cas de l'utiliser et surtout si une agence vous le propose. D'ailleurs, je défie n'importe qu'elle agence sur ce sujet. Prenez votre bottin et demandez-leur comment épargner de l'argent sur vos achats publicitaires. Écoutez attentivement la merde qu'ils vous servent et comparez l'information que je vous donne ici. Il n'y a aucune commune mesure. Revenons au rabais de type volume. En gros, c'est une proposition qui ne peut que défavoriser l'annonceur. D'abord, les rabais sont ridiculement bas, généralement quelques dollars sur des milliers, ensuite, d'un point de vue strictment marketing géométrique, c'est le meilleur moyen de vous faire avoir. Voici pourquoi: Il s'agit de contrats fondés sur l'utilisation du média sur une période d'un an. Par exemple vous recevez un rabais de X% si vous placez 4 pleines pages ou plus sur un an. Si vous vous rendez compte que vos annonces ne sont pas profitables et que vous décidez de ne pas honorer le contrat, vous paierez le plein prix plus une pénalité. Je pourrais vous donner des milliers de raisons pour ne pas honorer un contrat publicitaire. Et il y en a autant de bonnes. Il me suffit simplement de dire que je préfère nettement payer un peu plus cher et limiter mon risque. Ensuite, les contrats vous empêchent de prendre d'autres types de rabais non annoncés que vous DEVEZ demander vous même pour les obtenir. Le premier type de rabais que peu de gens connaissent est le rabais «premier annonceur». Lorsque vous contactez un journal, une station de radio, de télé, une revue, un site internet ou un gestionnaire de liste, demandez s'il y a un rabais «premier annonceur». Il y en a généralement un. Il varie de 15% à 25%. Maintenant, à la différence des contrats sur le volume, ces rabais «premiers annonceurs» peuvent être valides pour une période prédéterminée qui peut s'étendre jusqu'à un an. Lorsque vous demandez ce type de rabais, assurez-vous de sceller le prix pour une période d'au moins trois mois. Par exemple, au lieu de payer 354$ pour un quart de pages dans l'Expression de Joliette, vous ne paierez que 285$ par parution pendant les trois premiers mois. Faites attention. Les représentants publicitaires sont comme des rapaces sans vergogne. Si vous achetez votre publicité en décembre et que l'on vous dit que ce prix est valide jusqu'à la fin de l'année, cela ne veut pas dire jusqu'en décembre de l'année suivante, mais jusqu'au mois de janvier. Un mois au lieu de 12. Cela fait toute une différence. Maintenant, écoutez-moi bien. Tous ces rabais sont commissionnables, c'est-à-dire que si vous obtenez 20% de rabais comme «premier annonceur» vous pouvez aussi obtenir le 15% de rabais supplémentaire d'une agence plus le rabais de 2% pour paiement rapide. Une publicité qui vous coûtait 1000$ vous en coûterait seulement 627,20$, soit un rabais de 37,28%. Comment les organismes à but non lucratif et les services publics peuvent vous faire épargner gros, TRÈS GROS. Nous sommes en pleine campagne de financement de Centraide. Ces deux derniers mois, Centraide à été un des plus gros annonceurs au Canada. Et pourtant, Centraide ne paie pas la moitié de ce que d'autres compagnies paient pour s'annoncer. Pourquoi? Parce que les organismes communautaires et les services publics comme les SADC ont des tarifs préférentiels, quand ils ne se font pas carrément donner les espaces publicitaires. Vous avez certainement remarqué que depuis quelques années, TVA, TQS Global et CFCF 12 passent des infopubs aux heures de basse écoute. Vous avez sans doute remarqué que, très souvent, les stations de radio et de télé, les journaux et les revues, annoncent leurs propres suppléments, émissions spéciales et présentent des annonces de services publics. C'est ce que j'appelle des fillers. Ces publicités sont là pour une chose: ne pas vous présenter 30 secondes d'écran noir, de plat sonore ou ne pas présenter de pages blanches. Ces temps d'antenne et ces espaces publicitaires ne rapportent rien à la station ou à la publication. À chaque jour ou à chaque publication, à peu près 5% à 10% de l'espace publicitaire est invendu ou non utilisé pour cause de problème technique. C'est là que vous pouvez épargner beaucoup. Ces espaces sont généralement donnés ou vendus à prix ridicules aux services publics et aux organismes communautaires. Une autre preuve courante que les médias perdent énormément d'argent sur les espaces invendus est la publicité interne, comme l'annonce d'émission de radio, de cahiers spéciaux, etc. Par exemple, je sais que la Presse du 16 novembre 2002 avait un inventaire de 21 250$ invendu dans le cahier affaires seulement. Soit 2 demi pages et 1 quart de page. Comme je n'ai pas porté très attention aux autres cahiers, je ne saurais me prononcer sur le reste. Ceci étant dit, n'appelez pas votre représentant publicitaire pour lui demander. Il vous répondra non, ou vous dira qu'il ne sait pas de quoi vous parlez. D'abord, il n'a aucun intérêt à vous dire que des demi pages sont disponibles pour une bouchée de pain. Ensuite les représentants publicitaires ne sont pas au courant de ce qui arrive aux espaces invendus. Certains pourraient s'échapper et vous faire découvrir le pot-aux-roses. Je sais, vous ne lisez pas ceci pour connaître mon opinion sur les représentants publicitaires, mais pour épargner un paquet de bidoux sur votre prochaine campagne. Dans ce cas, écoutez. Vous n'êtes ni propriétaire de journal, ni dirigeant de services publics ou de groupe à but non-lucratif, mais vous pouvez épargner jusqu'à 80% sur vos coûts publicitaires en suivant ma démarche pas à pas. Ce que vous devez savoir est que vous n'avez pas la possibilité de choisir votre emplacement, ni la date de parution lorsque vous fonctionnez avec les espaces invendus. Il est aussi inutile de demander aux représentants publicitaires comment procéder. Votre publicité doit être prête et dans les mains dea médias au moment où ils sont prêt à la faire paraître. Autre chose à savoir: les imprimés ont toujours un coût intrinsèque à la parution d'une publicité. Ces coûts sont reliés à la production de l'épreuve et l'impression de votre annonce, alors ne leur faites pas l'insulte de leur offrir une somme riducule. Ce n'est pas le cas pour les médias électroniques tels que la télé, la radio et internet. Pour les médias électroniques vous pouvez facilement obtenir jusqu'à 80% de rabais. Il faut absolument que vous laissiez paraître à votre interlocuteur que vous connaissez les règles du jeu. Voici ce que vous devez faire: 1. Préparez votre publicité. Un mécanique (négatif de votre annonce) pour les imprimés et une cassette pour les radios et télés. 2. Faites une liste des directeurs de vente chez les médias que vous voulez utiliser; eux seuls ont le pouvoir de prendre une décision. Vous pouvez obtenir cette liste dans le CARD ou le SRDS qui sont disponibles dans les bibliothèques universitaires et certaines bibliothèques municipales. 3. Préparez un chèque au nom du média en question pour un montant équivalent à 42% du tarif normal pour les imprimés et 20% pour les média électroniques. Maintenant rédigez une lettre d'une page contenant tous les éléments suivants: ¸ Expliquez qu'un de vos clients à exprimé sont intérêt de faire paraître sa publicité dans le média en question; ¸ Que vous avez dû l'en dissuader après avoir comparé les coûts avec d'autres publications du même genre; ¸ Que dans ces publications, la publicité n'est profitable que lorsque vous travaillez sur des espaces invendus; ¸ Expliquez ce qu'est un espace invendu et ce que le média en fait généralement; ¸ Expliquez que vous avez émis un chèque équivalent à 42% du tarif régulier (50% + le 15% à l'agence) et que vous avez envoyé un mécanique de l'annonce. Le montant peut descendre jusqu'à 20% pour les médias électroniques; ¸ Dites que le média peut encaisser le chèque dès qu'il fera paraître la publicité sous ces conditions ou détruire le chèque et l'annonce s'il refuse; ¸ Donnez votre numéro de téléphone au cas où votre interlocuteur aurait une question; Et envoyez-la par Federal Express, Purolator ou UPS. Voici ce qui va arriver. Une certaine proportion de média vont rejeter votre offre. Certains vont l'accepter et la vaste majorité va vous contacter pour négocier un tarif préférentiel plus élevé que votre proposition. C'est à peu près tout ce que j'ai à dire sur le sujet ce mois-ci. Il me reste quelques trucs dans mon sac à surprise que je vous dévoilerai dans d'autres lettres. Chaque mois, vous recevrez un numéro comme celui-ci. Plein de trucs et de secrets marketing inconnus du public. En fait, la plupart des consultants en marketing et agences de publicité n'ont jamais utilisé, ni même entendu parler de ces techniques et stratégies. Abonnez-vous pour trois mois pour seulement 7$ La lettre du marketing géométrique sera vendue à 197$ par année dans quelques semaines. Mais, durant la période de lancement, vous pouvez prendre un abonnement de trois mois pour seulement 7$. Je sais très bien que les gens d'affaires réellement interressés à utiliser les stratégies que je présente reconnaîtront la valeur de la Lettre du marketing géométrique. Je sais qu'après votre abonnement d'essai, vous en voudrez plus et que vous renouvellerez votre abonnement au tarif régulier. Pour quelqu'un qui fait un minimum de publicité, cette première lettre, à elle seule, vaut très certainement le prix de l'abonnement. Les stratégies incluses dans cette lettre ne sont qu'un pâle échantillon de ce que j'ai à vous offrir. Comme le dit mon ami et client Mathieu Lagarde «En une heure l'information et les idées de Didier m'ont été plus utiles que tous les livres et séminaires que j'ai lus et étudiés sur les affaires». Abonnez-vous avant le 1ier décembre 2002 pour seulement 7$, vous recevrez trois lettres comme celle-ci par la poste au cours des trois prochains mois. didierroussy@hotmail.com Envoyez maintenant votre chèque ou mandat poste à l'ordre de: Didier Bonneville-Roussy 692 Rang York, St-Barthélemy Québec J0K 1XO Sincèrement, Didier Bonneville-Roussy -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ne plus resevoire ce courriel : Didier_b_r@yahoo.ca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Wed Nov 20 20:32:26 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4107A37B401; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:32:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B474243E4A; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:32:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id gAL4WOXD017953; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:32:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAL4V9ZX017948; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:31:09 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:31:09 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: John Baldwin Cc: "Bruce A. Mah" , re@FreeBSD.org, ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DP2 ports.. Message-ID: <20021121043109.GC17530@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: obrien@FreeBSD.org References: <200211191859.gAJIxuXt043325@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 02:05:43PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > >> The docs don't > >> build on sparc64 anyway w/o the binutils import. > > > > OK, well on that platform, that trumps our whole conversation. :-p > > Yeah, no docs on sparc64 for now. \me hands jhb $LOCAL_PATCHES. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Wed Nov 20 20:50:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 881F537B401 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:50:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DE443E42 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:50:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL4oM0N055098 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:50:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAL4oMSr001506 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:50:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAL4oM8o001505 for ia64@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:50:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:50:22 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD/ia64 5.0-DP2 now available on a mirror near you Message-ID: <20021121045022.GA1448@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gang, It's with pleasure that I can announce the availability of the FreeBSD/ia64 5.0-DP2 release. For more information see: http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/DP2/announce.html -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Thu Nov 21 7:20:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0E837B401 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:20:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763A343E88 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 07:20:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 12382 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2002 15:20:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 21 Nov 2002 15:20:37 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALFKW2D038516; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:20:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021121043109.GC17530@dragon.nuxi.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:20:37 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: "David O'Brien" Subject: Re: DP2 ports.. Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org, re@FreeBSD.org, "Bruce A. Mah" Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Nov-2002 David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 02:05:43PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: >> >> The docs don't >> >> build on sparc64 anyway w/o the binutils import. >> > >> > OK, well on that platform, that trumps our whole conversation. :-p >> >> Yeah, no docs on sparc64 for now. > > \me hands jhb $LOCAL_PATCHES. 1) I don't have said patches. 2) I really want to avoid local patches in Project releases. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Thu Nov 21 10: 1:54 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98BE37B401 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B96EA43E3B for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fenner+portsurvey@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (fenner@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALI1kx3074929 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fenner+portsurvey@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gALI1kwW074928; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:01:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:01:46 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200211211801.gALI1kwW074928@freefall.freebsd.org> From: fenner@freebsd.org (Bill "distfiles" Fenner) To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD ports: 1 unfetchable distfiles: emulators/ski Reply-To: ports@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dear freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org, You are listed as the FreeBSD port maintainer for 1 port whose distfiles [or main web pages] are not fetchable from their MASTER_SITES. Could you please visit http://people.freebsd.org/~fenner/portsurvey/freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org.html and correct the problems listed there? The individual port with a problem is emulators/ski. Note that the main port web page, as listed in the WWW: line of the pkg-descr, is checked just as though it was a port distfile. This is an unfortunate side effect of the architecture of the distfile survey reporting tool, but if you see a distfile being reported as not fetchable that's not actually a distfile, see if it's from the pkg-descr. If you have already corrected the problems and submitted a PR, please accept my thanks and apologies for the delay in getting the fixes into the tree. This reminder is created automatically and does not (yet) have a way to know if a PR fixing the problem has been submitted. Please do *NOT* send your response to me directly; I do not always have time to commit your fix; please instead submit a PR via 'send-pr' so it doesn't get lost. Problems are usually of two types: 1. The software package has been upgraded and the version in the port has been removed. The best solution to this problem is to upgrade the port to the most current version of the software package. If you are a FreeBSD committer, then you can just upgrade the port directly. If not, you should create the updated port on your own machine, test it (and maybe even run "portlint" on it), and then use "send-pr" to submit a "diff -uNr old-port updated-port". If you added or deleted any files, please make an explicit note of it. 2. The mirror site being used no longer contains the software package in question, or no longer exists. Solutions include: a) If there are other mirror sites, just remove the bad site from the list. (Make sure that what appears to be a bad site isn't actually a problem of type 1, upgrade) b) If the README or other support files in the software documentation mention where to get the software package, use one of those sites. c) Use ftpsearch (http://ftpsearch.ntnu.no/ftpsearch) or other search engines to find another place to get the original DISTFILES. Make sure that you don't pick a FreeBSD distfiles mirror -- if you can't find any other places where the file exists, it can be a LOCAL_PORT or you can simply comment out the MASTER_SITES= line, with a comment explaining why. Once you have a solution, use "send-pr" to submit a "diff -u" of the Makefile. Note that this isn't an urgent issue, as people who try to build the port now will just fall back to the FreeBSD distfiles mirror. Please just put it on your list to do and get to it when you have time. These messages will continue to arrive twice a month until the fix is committed, as a reminder. Thanks, Bill "distfiles" Fenner. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Thu Nov 21 14: 0:27 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0793B37B401 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:00:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFB0C43ED1 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:00:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALM0K0N057496 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:00:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALM0WtP001345 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:00:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gALM0VZU001344 for ia64@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:00:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:00:31 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Gotchas when trying 5.0-DP2 Message-ID: <20021121220031.GB1191@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gang, I tried the DP2 install myself and with some corrective actions and retries one can actually finish an install and end up with a usable system. A quick rundown follows: 1. a CD boot (using miniinst.iso) doesn't give me any troubles on my Itanium box. The mechanics work, so the problem here is the same as on any other architecture: does the kernel boot at all? 2. When partitioning the disk, you have to create an EFI slice (type 239). I used 110M as the size for it and that was enough to hold 2 kernels of which one was a debug kernel. Note that the installer still creates MBR partitions (=slices). Remember the EFI device name (eg da0s1) at this point. You need it later. 3. When you create BSD partitions and define mount points, make sure you give the EFI partition a mount point and also mark it as newfs. In the description below I assume the mount point of the EFI partition is called efi. 4. The actual install (after selecting ditribution, media and if you want ports collection) starts off with an error. The error dissapears too quickly, but it must be because the EFI partition couldn't be mounted. This is nasty but not critical. The install continues and finished successfully. We just have to patch things up. You first finish the install in the normal way. Just fix things up before you reboot (ie exit the installer). 5. After the install, go to vty4 (holographic shell) and fix the link /boot->/mnt/efi/boot to be /boot->efi/boot (ie relative!). Secondly, manually mount the EFI partition. This fixes the currently known bugs in the installer and which ultimately causes you to end up without a kernel to boot from (ouch). 6. Reinstall the base distribution. This will cause kernels to be installed under /boot. Since we linked that to efi/boot, we end up with kernels and modules on the EFI partition. That's where we need them. 7. Reboot and create an EFI menu entry and you should be all set to go. FYI, -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Thu Nov 21 14:13:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 483E637B401 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:13:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail17.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C497643EAA for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:13:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 4317 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2002 22:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail17.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 21 Nov 2002 22:13:53 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (gw1.twc.weather.com [216.133.140.1]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALMDh2D040000; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:13:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20021121220031.GB1191@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:13:47 -0500 (EST) From: John Baldwin To: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: RE: Gotchas when trying 5.0-DP2 Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 21-Nov-2002 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > Gang, > > I tried the DP2 install myself and with some corrective actions and > retries one can actually finish an install and end up with a usable > system. A quick rundown follows: > > 1. a CD boot (using miniinst.iso) doesn't give me any troubles on my > Itanium box. The mechanics work, so the problem here is the same > as on any other architecture: does the kernel boot at all? > > 2. When partitioning the disk, you have to create an EFI slice (type > 239). I used 110M as the size for it and that was enough to hold > 2 kernels of which one was a debug kernel. Note that the installer > still creates MBR partitions (=slices). Remember the EFI device > name (eg da0s1) at this point. You need it later. > > 3. When you create BSD partitions and define mount points, make sure > you give the EFI partition a mount point and also mark it as newfs. > In the description below I assume the mount point of the EFI > partition is called efi. > > 4. The actual install (after selecting ditribution, media and if you > want ports collection) starts off with an error. The error dissapears > too quickly, but it must be because the EFI partition couldn't be > mounted. This is nasty but not critical. The install continues > and finished successfully. We just have to patch things up. You > first finish the install in the normal way. Just fix things up > before you reboot (ie exit the installer). > > 5. After the install, go to vty4 (holographic shell) and fix the > link /boot->/mnt/efi/boot to be /boot->efi/boot (ie relative!). > Secondly, manually mount the EFI partition. This fixes the > currently known bugs in the installer and which ultimately causes > you to end up without a kernel to boot from (ouch). > > 6. Reinstall the base distribution. This will cause kernels to be > installed under /boot. Since we linked that to efi/boot, we end > up with kernels and modules on the EFI partition. That's where > we need them. > > 7. Reboot and create an EFI menu entry and you should be all set to > go. One question: is there any interest in just having the loader be in the EFI partition but leave the kernels in UFS / as well as the rest of /boot? I suppose one might would have to write a UFS driver for EFI to make that work. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Thu Nov 21 14:58:49 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02FEC37B404; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1931843E4A; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:58:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALMwi0N057652; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:58:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gALMwutP001470; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gALMwuVv001469; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:58:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:58:56 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: John Baldwin Cc: ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Gotchas when trying 5.0-DP2 Message-ID: <20021121225856.GB1368@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20021121220031.GB1191@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:13:47PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > One question: is there any interest in just having the loader be in > the EFI partition but leave the kernels in UFS / as well as the rest > of /boot? I suppose one might would have to write a UFS driver for > EFI to make that work. I can't say no :-) I now put everything on the EFI partition because it makes ia64 less weird from the other architectures. A simple link and installworld and installkernel will do the right thing. There are other advantages as well, but if all OSes in a multi-boot environment are going to put dozens of MBs in the EFI partition, then it may not be that attractive. At this time I haven't got a clear picture of what other OSes do (except that HP-UX doesn't play ball at all). Linux has or used to have the kernel on the EFI partition. I don't know about Windows. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Thu Nov 21 17: 1:19 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4083137B401; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0823F43EA9; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:01:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7882A885; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:01:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: John Baldwin , ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Gotchas when trying 5.0-DP2 In-Reply-To: <20021121225856.GB1368@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:01:00 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20021122010100.6B7882A885@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:13:47PM -0500, John Baldwin wrote: > > > > One question: is there any interest in just having the loader be in > > the EFI partition but leave the kernels in UFS / as well as the rest > > of /boot? I suppose one might would have to write a UFS driver for > > EFI to make that work. > > I can't say no :-) I now put everything on the EFI partition because it > makes ia64 less weird from the other architectures. A simple link and > installworld and installkernel will do the right thing. There are > other advantages as well, but if all OSes in a multi-boot environment > are going to put dozens of MBs in the EFI partition, then it may not be > that attractive. > > At this time I haven't got a clear picture of what other OSes do (except > that HP-UX doesn't play ball at all). Linux has or used to have the > kernel on the EFI partition. I don't know about Windows. Linux puts the kernel on the efi partition. We could write a pretty trivial efidisk driver and then use the loader's ufs support. But having everything run from the EFI fs has been so convenient I've never felt the urge to try it. We wouldn't need to write GPT support though, because EFI presents both the MBR and GPT partitions as seperate block devices. Trying to *find* the block device that corresponds to /boot would be the interesting challenge. Especially since the numbering changes as the device configuration changes. Going into the shell has shown as many as 25 efi block devices on systems I've seen before. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Thu Nov 21 19: 5:46 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C26837B401; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:05:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from kayak.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D11E43E4A; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:05:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by kayak.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAM35h0N058179; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:05:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@kayak.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gAM35htE001371; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:05:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id gAM35h2W001370; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:05:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:05:43 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Peter Wemm Cc: John Baldwin , ia64@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Gotchas when trying 5.0-DP2 Message-ID: <20021122030543.GB1241@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20021121225856.GB1368@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20021122010100.6B7882A885@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20021122010100.6B7882A885@canning.wemm.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Nov 21, 2002 at 05:01:00PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > We could write a pretty trivial efidisk driver and then use the loader's > ufs support. But having everything run from the EFI fs has been so > convenient I've never felt the urge to try it. Me too > Trying to *find* the block device that corresponds to /boot would be the > interesting challenge. Especially since the numbering changes as the > device configuration changes. Going into the shell has shown as many as 25 > efi block devices on systems I've seen before. We can always create a new UUID for that of course :-) Alternatively, we could use the UUID specific bits in ent_attr, (bits 48-63) to flag an UFS partition as possible root (meaning that it contains /boot and such). -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Sat Nov 23 9:20:13 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA5537B401 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:20:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (mailgate.nlsystems.com [62.49.251.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C7543E6E for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:20:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gANHJwqb067947; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:20:06 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Doug Rabson To: Marcel Moolenaar , ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gotchas when trying 5.0-DP2 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:19:57 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021121220031.GB1191@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> In-Reply-To: <20021121220031.GB1191@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211231719.57610.dfr@nlsystems.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-9.0 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL version=2.41 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thursday 21 November 2002 10:00 pm, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > Gang, > > I tried the DP2 install myself and with some corrective actions and > retries one can actually finish an install and end up with a usable > system. A quick rundown follows: > > 1. a CD boot (using miniinst.iso) doesn't give me any troubles on my > Itanium box. The mechanics work, so the problem here is the same > as on any other architecture: does the kernel boot at all? > > 2. When partitioning the disk, you have to create an EFI slice (type > 239). I used 110M as the size for it and that was enough to hold > 2 kernels of which one was a debug kernel. Note that the installer > still creates MBR partitions (=3Dslices). Remember the EFI device > name (eg da0s1) at this point. You need it later. > > 3. When you create BSD partitions and define mount points, make sure > you give the EFI partition a mount point and also mark it as > newfs. In the description below I assume the mount point of the EFI > partition is called efi. > > 4. The actual install (after selecting ditribution, media and if you > want ports collection) starts off with an error. The error > dissapears too quickly, but it must be because the EFI partition > couldn't be mounted. This is nasty but not critical. The install > continues and finished successfully. We just have to patch things up. > You first finish the install in the normal way. Just fix things up > before you reboot (ie exit the installer). > > 5. After the install, go to vty4 (holographic shell) and fix the > link /boot->/mnt/efi/boot to be /boot->efi/boot (ie relative!). > Secondly, manually mount the EFI partition. This fixes the > currently known bugs in the installer and which ultimately causes > you to end up without a kernel to boot from (ouch). > > 6. Reinstall the base distribution. This will cause kernels to be > installed under /boot. Since we linked that to efi/boot, we end > up with kernels and modules on the EFI partition. That's where > we need them. > > 7. Reboot and create an EFI menu entry and you should be all set to > go. > > FYI, I just managed to install this on my Itanium1 machine. It was a bit=20 tricky because I already had an existing EFI partition. This was=20 mounted by EFI as fs0 and confused the CD's loader considerably. I=20 eventually worked around this by copying the CD's efi bits over to the=20 existing EFI partition. This is looking pretty cool so far :-) --=20 Doug Rabson=09=09=09=09Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com =09=09=09=09=09Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-ia64 Sat Nov 23 9:24: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-ia64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125D237B401 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (mailgate.nlsystems.com [62.49.251.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F3443E6E for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 09:23:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Received: from herring.nlsystems.com (herring.nlsystems.com [10.0.0.2]) by herring.nlsystems.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id gANHNtqb067999; Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:23:55 GMT (envelope-from dfr@nlsystems.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Doug Rabson To: Marcel Moolenaar , ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Gotchas when trying 5.0-DP2 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:23:55 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20021121220031.GB1191@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <200211231719.57610.dfr@nlsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <200211231719.57610.dfr@nlsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200211231723.55440.dfr@nlsystems.com> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-7.7 required=5.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01, USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL version=2.41 Sender: owner-freebsd-ia64@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Saturday 23 November 2002 5:19 pm, Doug Rabson wrote: > > I just managed to install this on my Itanium1 machine. It was a bit > tricky because I already had an existing EFI partition. This was > mounted by EFI as fs0 and confused the CD's loader considerably. I > eventually worked around this by copying the CD's efi bits over to > the existing EFI partition. > > This is looking pretty cool so far :-) Oh, one thing I forgot - the bash2 port gets badly confused by the=20 64-bit time_t. It hangs in configure trying to figure out if mktime=20 works. --=20 Doug Rabson=09=09=09=09Mail: dfr@nlsystems.com =09=09=09=09=09Phone: +44 20 8348 6160 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-ia64" in the body of the message