From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Jan 6 11:45: 4 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from InterJet.dellroad.org (adsl-63-194-81-26.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.194.81.26]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70EE837B41A; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:45:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from arch20m.dellroad.org (arch20m.dellroad.org [10.1.1.20]) by InterJet.dellroad.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA76363; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (from archie@localhost) by arch20m.dellroad.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g06Jdii35108; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:39:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from archie) From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <200201061939.g06Jdii35108@arch20m.dellroad.org> Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/sys/netgraph ng_ksocket.c (fwd) In-Reply-To: <20020105201548.L24836@windriver.com> "from Murray Stokely at Jan 5, 2002 08:15:49 pm" To: Murray Stokely Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 11:39:43 -0800 (PST) Cc: re@freebsd.org, freebsd-qa@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL88 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Murray Stokely writes: > > This is another MFC candidate.. it prevents a kernel panic and has > > been tested on -stable. Below is the -stable patch. > > Ok this is approved, thanks. It would be very much appreciated if you > could post a note to freebsd-qa letting user's know how they can help > stress test this. Sure... 1. Put a Windows machine (IP address X) and a FreeBSD machine (IP address Y) on the network somewhere. 2. Install the mpd-netgraph port on the FreeBSD machine and set it up as a PPTP server. Configure IPCP so that the client gets IP address Y (e.g., "set ipcp ranges X.X.X.X Y.Y.Y.Y"). 3. Using Microsoft VPN adapter, connect to the FreeBSD machine via PPTP Before this patch, you would get a kernel panic soon after the connection was established. After, mpd should detect an error writing data (EDEADLK) and close the connection, no panic. Thanks, -Archie __________________________________________________________________________ Archie Cobbs * Packet Design * http://www.packetdesign.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Sun Jan 6 14:55: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC4E37B404; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 14:54:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (robert@fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g06MsuD96317; Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:54:56 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:54:56 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: jlemon@FreeBSD.org Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Reduced reliability due to larger socket queue defaults for TCP Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Recently ran into the following circumstance on a server with about a 15 day uptime (and hence about a 15-day old version of -STABLE): tcp4 0 33090 204.156.12.50.80 213.197.75.52.2378 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 198.54.202.4.24052 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 32120 204.156.12.50.80 24.27.14.83.50129 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 33089 204.156.12.50.80 213.197.75.52.2381 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 198.54.202.4.23509 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 212.182.63.102.28130 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 62.233.128.65.13712 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 33580 204.156.12.50.80 212.182.13.23.3473 LAST_ACK tcp4 0 31856 204.156.12.50.80 198.54.202.4.20584 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 31856 204.156.12.50.80 212.182.63.102.29962 LAST_ACK tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 198.54.202.4.23960 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 31482 204.156.12.50.80 213.197.75.52.2373 FIN_WAIT_1 tcp4 0 32551 204.156.12.50.80 213.197.75.52.2374 FIN_WAIT_1 (on the order of hundreds of these), resulting in mbufs getting exhausted. maxusers is set to 256, so nmbclusters is 4608, which was previously a reasonable default. Presumably the problem I'm experiencing is that dud connections have doubled in capacity due to a larger send queue size. I've temporarily dropped the send queue max until I can reboot the machine to increase nmbclusters, but this failure mode does seem unfortunate. It's also worth considering adding a release note entry indicating that while this can improve performance, it can also reduce scalability. I suppose this shouldn't have caught me by surprise, but it did, since that server had previously not had a problem... :-) I don't suppose the TCP spec allows us to drain send socket queues in FIN_WAIT_1 or LAST_ACK? :-) Any other bright suggestions on ways we can make this change "safer"? Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Jan 8 13:50:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C6A37B41B; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:50:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020108215006.DLCB288.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:50:06 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g08Lo6C78057; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:50:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201082150.g08Lo6C78057@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: phantom@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org, qa@freebsd.org Subject: Locale backout From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:50:06 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi Alexey-- Just saw a bunch of RELENG_4 commits from you. Are you done with your backout? (i.e. you're backing out the *.EUC -> *.euc?? rename, but the other locale changes are staying in?) I'm trying to figure out if it's time for me to resurrect that part of the release notes or not. Thanks, Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Tue Jan 8 16:33:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [204.156.12.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EB437B402 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 16:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.pr.watson.org [192.0.2.3]) by fledge.watson.org (8.11.6/8.11.5) with SMTP id g090XPD32266 for ; Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:33:26 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from robert@fledge.watson.org) Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 19:33:25 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Watson X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Reduced reliability due to larger socket queue defaults for TCP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG The temptation here is one of two things: (1) Back out the change increasing the send-q socket buffer size as a default, and restore tuning(7) to recommend increasing the value, or (2) To add the following text to the release notes: In 4.5-RELEASE, default socket buffer sizes are increased to maximize performance on high speed networks. However, under some circumstances, this can dramatically increase the memory requirements of the network system, requiring a manual bumping of the kernel NMBCLUSTERS setting. This can be set using kern.ipc.nmbclusters. My temptation is to bump back (1) a bit, possibly to bump up the keepalive rate, and stick in this note. Reliability==good. Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services On Sun, 6 Jan 2002, Robert Watson wrote: > > Recently ran into the following circumstance on a server with about a 15 > day uptime (and hence about a 15-day old version of -STABLE): > > tcp4 0 33090 204.156.12.50.80 213.197.75.52.2378 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 198.54.202.4.24052 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 32120 204.156.12.50.80 24.27.14.83.50129 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 33089 204.156.12.50.80 213.197.75.52.2381 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 198.54.202.4.23509 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 212.182.63.102.28130 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 62.233.128.65.13712 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 33580 204.156.12.50.80 212.182.13.23.3473 LAST_ACK > tcp4 0 31856 204.156.12.50.80 198.54.202.4.20584 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 31856 204.156.12.50.80 212.182.63.102.29962 LAST_ACK > tcp4 0 33304 204.156.12.50.80 198.54.202.4.23960 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 31482 204.156.12.50.80 213.197.75.52.2373 FIN_WAIT_1 > tcp4 0 32551 204.156.12.50.80 213.197.75.52.2374 FIN_WAIT_1 > > (on the order of hundreds of these), resulting in mbufs getting exhausted. > maxusers is set to 256, so nmbclusters is 4608, which was previously a > reasonable default. Presumably the problem I'm experiencing is that dud > connections have doubled in capacity due to a larger send queue size. I've > temporarily dropped the send queue max until I can reboot the machine to > increase nmbclusters, but this failure mode does seem unfortunate. It's > also worth considering adding a release note entry indicating that while > this can improve performance, it can also reduce scalability. I suppose > this shouldn't have caught me by surprise, but it did, since that server > had previously not had a problem... :-) > > I don't suppose the TCP spec allows us to drain send socket queues in > FIN_WAIT_1 or LAST_ACK? :-) Any other bright suggestions on ways we can > make this change "safer"? > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project > robert@fledge.watson.org NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 9 0:46:52 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from straylight.ringlet.net (discworld.nanolink.com [217.75.135.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B627837B429 for ; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 41561 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Jan 2002 08:45:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:45:10 +0200 From: Peter Pentchev To: Robert Watson Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Reduced reliability due to larger socket queue defaults for TCP Message-ID: <20020109104509.C269@straylight.oblivion.bg> Mail-Followup-To: Robert Watson , qa@FreeBSD.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from rwatson@FreeBSD.org on Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 07:33:25PM -0500 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 07:33:25PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > The temptation here is one of two things: > > (1) Back out the change increasing the send-q socket buffer size as a > default, and restore tuning(7) to recommend increasing the value, or > > (2) To add the following text to the release notes: > > In 4.5-RELEASE, default socket buffer sizes are increased to > maximize performance on high speed networks. However, under > some circumstances, this can dramatically increase the memory > requirements of the network system, requiring a manual > bumping of the kernel NMBCLUSTERS setting. This can be > set using kern.ipc.nmbclusters. > > My temptation is to bump back (1) a bit, possibly to bump up the keepalive > rate, and stick in this note. Reliability==good. I personally feel better about (2).. The buffer size increase really does help with long-haul or high-latency connections. Normal users would rarely run thousands of TCP connections; those that do would either read the release notes, or be kindly pointed to those. People who really do run thousands of TCP connections will hopefully read the release notes and know what to do :) As a side note, maybe this should be mentioned in the FAQ, too. G'luck, Peter -- This sentence is false. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 9 8:17:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C36737B400; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:17:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020109161706.BFEX24940.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:17:06 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g09GH5s90370; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:17:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201091617.g09GH5s90370@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Peter Pentchev Cc: Robert Watson , qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Reduced reliability due to larger socket queue defaults for TCP In-reply-to: <20020109104509.C269@straylight.oblivion.bg> References: <20020109104509.C269@straylight.oblivion.bg> Comments: In-reply-to Peter Pentchev message dated "Wed, 09 Jan 2002 10:45:10 +0200." From: bmah@acm.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@acm.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 08:17:05 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Peter Pentchev wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 07:33:25PM -0500, Robert Watson wrote: > > The temptation here is one of two things: > > > > (1) Back out the change increasing the send-q socket buffer size as a > > default, and restore tuning(7) to recommend increasing the value, or > > > > (2) To add the following text to the release notes: > > > > In 4.5-RELEASE, default socket buffer sizes are increased to > > maximize performance on high speed networks. However, under > > some circumstances, this can dramatically increase the memory > > requirements of the network system, requiring a manual > > bumping of the kernel NMBCLUSTERS setting. This can be > > set using kern.ipc.nmbclusters. Two changes I'd make: "default socket buffer sizes" should really be "default TCP socket buffer sizes". Also, we should say that "some circumstances" includes (as an example) the case of machines serving many TCP connections. > I personally feel better about (2).. The buffer size increase really > does help with long-haul or high-latency connections. Normal users > would rarely run thousands of TCP connections; those that do would > either read the release notes, or be kindly pointed to those. People > who really do run thousands of TCP connections will hopefully read the > release notes and know what to do :) Yes, we can put this in the release notes, and there's a good chance people will read it, but we also need to document it somewhere less transitory. A new user who starts using FreeBSD 4.6-RELEASE can't be expected to go back to 4.5-RELEASE's documentation to find this little gem. > As a side note, maybe this should be mentioned in the FAQ, too. My first thought would have been tuning(7), as this question/problem isn't frequently asked (yet). But I guess the FAQ would work too. Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 9 12:23:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2DB837B404; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:23:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 03EEA4B65D; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:23:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 12:23:25 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org Subject: 4.5 RC1 Now Available, Final Release January 26th Message-ID: <20020109122325.M18302@windriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="jaoouwwPWoQSJZYp" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --jaoouwwPWoQSJZYp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FreeBSD 4.5-RC1 / i386 is now available : ftp://releng4.FreeBSD.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/ 4.5-RC1.iso The RC has been on ftp-master for several hours, so ftp.freebsd.org and the other Tier 1 mirrors should pick up the bits soon. The build for the Alpha platform will also be available shortly (within 12 hours). =20 Please help test this release candidate on as many different configurations as possible. Robert Watson posted a testing guide for FreeBSD 4.5 to the -qa list, which is archived here : http://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=3D35004+0+archive/2001/freebsd= -qa/20011223.freebsd-qa We're particularly interested in seeing the RC put into more demanding environments than just a typical desktop install. A number of significant changes have been made that should increase performance over 4.4, and we'd like to test these new improvements as much as possible. RC1 x86 Errata : The ISO image includes XFree86 and a full package set, so if you think a package is missing that should be on the first CD of 4.5-RELEASE, please speak up now. Currently, we're planning to make the following changes to the package set for RC2 : 1. Remove KDE dependency on teTeX, and move this large package to another disc. 2. Use the extra space to add fvwm and GNOME + Sawfish. These packages are needed by sysinstall but are not available on this RC due to space limitations. RC1 Alpha Errata : - The release build was named "RC1" instead of "4.5-RC1", so the sysinstall welcome menu may look a bit funny. This will be fixed for RC2. - XFree86 3.3.6 currently has build problems on the Alpha, so X is not included on this first RC. - The Alpha ports-cluster is not available to the ports team at the moment, so this RC lacks packages. And finally, our original release schedule proved too aggressive for the holiday season. We've delayed the release until the 26th to give our -stable users more time to test the recent changes. Thanks! - The FreeBSD 4.5 Release Engineering Team --jaoouwwPWoQSJZYp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PKa9tNcQog5FH30RAgfRAJ9dV0SupuzuNETQYb/SvOQBYIu4fwCggmkV vIOIPytvbWtj7SyvCNZOEUw= =9gLE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --jaoouwwPWoQSJZYp-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 9 14: 3:37 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pump3.york.ac.uk (pump3.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 060DE37B41E; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:03:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (ury.york.ac.uk [144.32.108.81]) by pump3.york.ac.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g09M39c20259; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:03:09 GMT Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g09M39r90199; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:03:09 GMT (envelope-from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:03:09 +0000 (GMT) From: Gavin Atkinson To: , Subject: 4.5-PRE panic in vfs_cache with softupdates, via chipset Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1118642895-1010613018=:89714" Content-ID: Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --0-1118642895-1010613018=:89714 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-ID: Hi, My machine, a Duron 800 Sony VAIO laptop, paniced while running buildworld under 4.5-PRERELEASE cvsupped 14:00 on 08/01/2002. I'm no kernel debugger and freely admit i have no idea what to do, but hopefully the gdb output below will help somebody. kernel core file can be uploaded somewhere if specific people want to see it. I was running buildworld, with /usr/src and /usr/obj on seperate partitions, both with softupdates on. I have the problematic VIA southbridge. I was building world, then suspended it (ctrl-z) before suspending the laptop with 'apm -z'. Later, woke it up, and about 20 seconds later resumed the build. Two or three more files were compiled before the kernel panic occured. I've attached a dmesg and the gdb output, as well as the output from 'pciconf -r -b pci0:0:0 0x0 0xff', in case it is some problem with the via chipset. The laptop has run stable except for this one panic and has compiled world several times. the debug kernel and vmcore are available for download if someone wants to look at them. Email me privately for the url. 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g09NIaX51648; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:18:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g09NHr692562; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:17:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:17:17 +0100 From: Nils Holland To: Gavin Atkinson Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5-PRE panic in vfs_cache with softupdates, via chipset Message-ID: <20020110001717.A92381@tisys.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from gavin@ury.york.ac.uk on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:03:09PM +0000 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD jodie.ncptiddische.net 4.5-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-Machine-Uptime: 12:05AM up 2:20, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:03:09PM +0000, Gavin Atkinson stood up and spoke: > > I was running buildworld, with /usr/src and /usr/obj on seperate > partitions, both with softupdates on. I have the problematic VIA > southbridge. I was building world, then suspended it (ctrl-z) before > suspending the laptop with 'apm -z'. Later, woke it up, and about 20 > seconds later resumed the build. Two or three more files were compiled > before the kernel panic occured. Welcome to the club ;-) Now, I'm no kernel expert either, but I wonder if you can reproduce your problem. If it's similar to mine, you should be able exactly what you did when the panic occured, and in about two out of three cases the problem should be there again. *Sigh*, Soren's fix has made my machine noticably more stable, what I really appreciate! However, there seem to be some issues that have not yet been sorted out, and the fact that these issues are there can only be blamed to VIA and the motherboard manufacturers (BIOS programmers). From what I can say, people who use their 686B machines for "normal" desktop work will probably never face this problem, even without any patching at all. On the other hand, people who are into (demanding) networking, compiling or file-copying will almost surely face this problem at some point in time, at least if their system is in the same state as Gavin's and mine is. If I had more money on my bank account right now, I'd probably simply replace my mainboard with an unaffected one (either no VIA chipset or one of the latest VIA things) and send my current one to Soren for further investigation. I guess that if he'd see how strange it performs, he'd throw it out of the window after a short period of time, and that's what I almost did for about 20 times so far ;-) Greetings Nils Greetings Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 9 20:15:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.boulderlabs.com (mail.boulderlabs.com [206.168.112.48]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A68137B405; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from calypso.boulderlabs.com (cpe-24-221-212-162.co.sprintbbd.net [24.221.212.162]) by mail.boulderlabs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0A4FTQ86463; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:15:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from bob@cs.colorado.edu) Received: from calypso.boulderlabs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calypso.boulderlabs.com (980427.SGI.8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA55561; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 21:15:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <200201100415.VAA55561@calypso.boulderlabs.com> From: Robert Gray To: Murray Stokely Cc: freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: 4.5 RC1 testing, Linux compatability In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:23:25 MST." Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 21:15:25 -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I did a fresh, Standard install of 4.5 RC1, selecting kernel sources with X11. The basic install seemed fine. But when I attempted "Would you like to enable Linux binary compatibility?", The GUI screen said "Add of package linux_base-6.1 aborted, error 1 - Please check the debug screen for more info." and it said: ldconfig: warning: /usr/local/lib: No such file or directory ldconfig: /usr/local/lib/aout: No such file or directory ldconfig: /usr/X11/lib/aout: No such file or directory Linux mode is not enabled. Loading linux kernel module now... link_elf: symbol seminfo undefined The linux kernel module could not be loaded. Please enable linxu mode manually and retry. -bob To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Wed Jan 9 23:42:10 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mao.stokely.org (mao.stokely.org [65.84.64.228]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D10837B404; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by mao.stokely.org (Postfix, from userid 2074) id 2FA514B65D; Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:42:03 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 23:42:03 -0800 From: Murray Stokely To: Robert Gray Cc: Murray Stokely , freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: 4.5 RC1 testing, Linux compatability Message-ID: <20020109234203.T15454@windriver.com> References: <200201100415.VAA55561@calypso.boulderlabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="//h4sZKAxcnndsN6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200201100415.VAA55561@calypso.boulderlabs.com>; from bob@cs.colorado.edu on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:15:25PM -0700 X-GPG-Key-ID: 1024D/0E451F7D X-GPG-Key-Fingerprint: E2CA 411D DD44 53FD BB4B 3CB5 B4D7 10A2 0E45 1F7D Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --//h4sZKAxcnndsN6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 09:15:25PM -0700, Robert Gray wrote: > Linux mode is not enabled. > Loading linux kernel module now... > link_elf: symbol seminfo undefined > The linux kernel module could not be loaded. > Please enable linxu mode manually and retry. Ok, I think we've resolved this. We recently removed support for SYSV semaphores from the boot kernel. This exposed a bug in the Linux module. The Linux module is supposed to depend (and hence automatically load) the sysvsem module, but that doesn't work on -STABLE for the x86. (It works in current and -STABLE for the Alpha). We will make sure to fix this for RC2. Thanks for finding this important bug! - Murray --//h4sZKAxcnndsN6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (SunOS) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8PUXKtNcQog5FH30RAoYMAKCOLBowF9VVKgDP9rRlW+C9q8IVZACgolxb U7Qw6nP6TnNWxnrua7lNu6E= =ugJd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --//h4sZKAxcnndsN6-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 0:43:14 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pump3.york.ac.uk (pump3.york.ac.uk [144.32.128.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8560A37B41B; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ury.york.ac.uk (ury.york.ac.uk [144.32.108.81]) by pump3.york.ac.uk (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g0A8h3419774; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:43:03 GMT Received: from localhost (gavin@localhost) by ury.york.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0A8h2795687; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:43:03 GMT (envelope-from gavin.atkinson@ury.york.ac.uk) X-Authentication-Warning: ury.york.ac.uk: gavin owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:43:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Gavin Atkinson To: Nils Holland Cc: , Subject: Re: 4.5-PRE panic in vfs_cache with softupdates, via chipset In-Reply-To: <20020110001717.A92381@tisys.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, 10 Jan 2002, Nils Holland wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 10:03:09PM +0000, Gavin Atkinson stood up and spoke: > > > > I was running buildworld, with /usr/src and /usr/obj on seperate > > partitions, both with softupdates on. I have the problematic VIA > > southbridge. I was building world, then suspended it (ctrl-z) before > > suspending the laptop with 'apm -z'. Later, woke it up, and about 20 > > seconds later resumed the build. Two or three more files were compiled > > before the kernel panic occured. > > Welcome to the club ;-) > > Now, I'm no kernel expert either, but I wonder if you can reproduce your > problem. If it's similar to mine, you should be able exactly what you did > when the panic occured, and in about two out of three cases the problem > should be there again. No - I think that it's irregular. It's only happened twice, once while running buildworld, and once whlie running grep on /usr/src/sys. I certanly cannot make it panic on command. > If I had more money on my bank account right now, I'd probably simply > replace my mainboard with an unaffected one (either no VIA chipset or one > of the latest VIA things) and send my current one to Soren for further > investigation. I guess that if he'd see how strange it performs, he'd throw > it out of the window after a short period of time, and that's what I almost > did for about 20 times so far ;-) heh. sadly this is a brand new laptop... Thanks, Gavin To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 2: 0:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A9C37B402 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 02:00:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 23711 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 10:00:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jan 2002 10:00:25 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:59:47 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: New cdboot ISO available Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG A new experimental CD bootstrap was recently added to -stable for the i386 architecture that allows the full contents of the CD to be used when booting. The method we currently uses relies on the BIOS emulating a floppy drive from a floppy image file on the CD. This limits the size of the kernel that we can boot off of. The new CD bootstrap allows a full GENERIC kernel to be used when booting off of a CD, allowing more drivers to work out of the box. However, not all BIOS's that support the older method support this newer method of CD booting. The release engineering team would like feedback as to roughly how many machines do not work with the new bootstrap utility as well as how many machines do work. If most machines work with the new bootstrap, then we may switch to using the new bootstrap on the release ISO images. Note that this only affects booting directly from the CD. Booting from floppies and then installing off of the CD will work the same with both images. The cdboot image can be found at ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso The MD5 checksum of the image is: MD5 (4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso) = 294c50cdfe77f51b8224ae9679afeabf This new bootstrap utility is used on Windows NT 4, Windows ME, and Windows 2000 CD's (and probably Windows XP CD's), so if your system has a 'Designed for' sticker featuring one of those operating systems, it will probably work with cdboot. Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. RC1 x86 cdboot Errata : 1. The kernel configuration tool USERCONFIG does not currently work on the cdboot ISO. Thanks! - The FreeBSD 4.5 Release Engineering Team To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 7:41:38 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from paperboy.epcdirect.co.uk (paperboy.epcdirect.co.uk [195.10.242.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4CDB37B426; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 07:41:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from root@localhost) by paperboy.epcdirect.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1) id g0AFfAg82654; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:41:10 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk) Delivered-To: stable@freebsd.org Received: from lfarr (l-farr.int.epcdirect.co.uk [192.168.6.200]) by paperboy.epcdirect.co.uk (8.11.6/8.11.1av) with ESMTP id g0AFf7d82646; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:41:08 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-net@epcdirect.co.uk) From: "Lawrence Farr" To: Cc: "'John Baldwin'" , Subject: RE: New cdboot ISO available Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c199ed$3b0fbab0$c806a8c0@lfarr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3311 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Is this used by the make release scripts? Lawrence Farr EPC Direct Limited > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG > [mailto:owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of John Baldwin > Sent: 10 January 2002 10:00 > To: stable@FreeBSD.ORG; qa@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: New cdboot ISO available > > > A new experimental CD bootstrap was recently added to -stable > for the i386 > architecture that allows the full contents of the CD to be > used when booting. > The method we currently uses relies on the BIOS emulating a > floppy drive from a > floppy image file on the CD. This limits the size of the > kernel that we can > boot off of. The new CD bootstrap allows a full GENERIC > kernel to be used when > booting off of a CD, allowing more drivers to work out of the > box. However, > not all BIOS's that support the older method support this > newer method of CD > booting. > > The release engineering team would like feedback as to > roughly how many > machines do not work with the new bootstrap utility as well > as how many > machines do work. If most machines work with the new > bootstrap, then we may > switch to using the new bootstrap on the release ISO images. > > Note that this only affects booting directly from the CD. > Booting from > floppies and then installing off of the CD will work the same > with both images. > > The cdboot image can be found at > ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES /4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso The MD5 checksum of the image is: MD5 (4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso) = 294c50cdfe77f51b8224ae9679afeabf This new bootstrap utility is used on Windows NT 4, Windows ME, and Windows 2000 CD's (and probably Windows XP CD's), so if your system has a 'Designed for' sticker featuring one of those operating systems, it will probably work with cdboot. Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. RC1 x86 cdboot Errata : 1. The kernel configuration tool USERCONFIG does not currently work on the cdboot ISO. Thanks! - The FreeBSD 4.5 Release Engineering Team To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 12:48: 1 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B6137B400 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:47:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5387 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2002 20:47:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jan 2002 20:47:57 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <000d01c199ed$3b0fbab0$c806a8c0@lfarr> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:47:18 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: Lawrence Farr Subject: RE: New cdboot ISO available Cc: qa@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jan-02 Lawrence Farr wrote: > Is this used by the make release scripts? > > Lawrence Farr > EPC Direct Limited Err, it's not used by the make release scripts. The make release scripts generate a disc1/ directory that we build the ISO's from. :) The only difference between a cdboot ISO and a boot.flp ISO are the arguments you pass to mkisofs for booting. For a boot.flp ISO like the default ISO, you use "-b floppies/boot.flp". For cdboot, you use "-b boot/cdboot -no-emul-boot". -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 14:10:35 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.murraystate.edu (mail1.murraystate.edu [216.249.159.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B238137B41E; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:10:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from runbox.com (216.249.168.70) by mail1.murraystate.edu (NPlex 5.5.031) id 3C122179000BBDFD; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:07:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3E1167.5080302@runbox.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:10:47 -0600 From: AL Grant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020109 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG John Baldwin wrote: >A new experimental CD bootstrap was recently added to -stable for the i386 >architecture that allows the full contents of the CD to be used when booting. >The method we currently uses relies on the BIOS emulating a floppy drive from a >floppy image file on the CD. This limits the size of the kernel that we can >boot off of. The new CD bootstrap allows a full GENERIC kernel to be used when >booting off of a CD, allowing more drivers to work out of the box. However, >not all BIOS's that support the older method support this newer method of CD >booting. > >The release engineering team would like feedback as to roughly how many >machines do not work with the new bootstrap utility as well as how many >machines do work. If most machines work with the new bootstrap, then we may >switch to using the new bootstrap on the release ISO images. > >Note that this only affects booting directly from the CD. Booting from >floppies and then installing off of the CD will work the same with both images. > >The cdboot image can be found at >ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso > >The MD5 checksum of the image is: >MD5 (4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso) = 294c50cdfe77f51b8224ae9679afeabf > >This new bootstrap utility is used on Windows NT 4, Windows ME, and Windows >2000 CD's (and probably Windows XP CD's), so if your system has a >'Designed for' sticker featuring one of those operating systems, it will >probably work with cdboot. > >Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. > >RC1 x86 cdboot Errata : > > 1. The kernel configuration tool USERCONFIG does not currently work on the > cdboot ISO. > > Thanks! > > - The FreeBSD 4.5 Release Engineering Team > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > > Hello, I have tried to download this program 3 times and it will never finish the download. The first time I got 660171KB and it quit then I got 660170KB and it quit. Just now I tried again and it got 660168KB and quit. Every time it shows 99% complete. I have checked the program against the checksum to make sure that it was not finished and the download program was not just misreporting the size. Is this a problem with my system or is there a problem with the file? Thanks, A.L.Grant To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 14:21:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from freesbee.wheel.dk (freesbee.wheel.dk [193.162.159.97]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B91637B402; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:21:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by freesbee.wheel.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 542B75DB8; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:21:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:21:19 +0100 From: Jesper Skriver To: AL Grant Cc: John Baldwin , stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Message-ID: <20020110232119.B9994@FreeBSD.org> Mail-Followup-To: Jesper Skriver , AL Grant , John Baldwin , stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org References: <3C3E1167.5080302@runbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C3E1167.5080302@runbox.com>; from agrant@runbox.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:10:47PM -0600 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 6B88 9CE8 66E9 E631 C9C5 5EB4 22AB F0EC F956 1C31 X-PGP-Public-Key: http://freesbee.wheel.dk/~jesper/gpgkey.pub Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:10:47PM -0600, AL Grant wrote: > I have tried to download this program 3 times and it will never finish > the download. > The first time I got 660171KB and it quit then I got 660170KB and it > quit. Just now I tried again and it got 660168KB and quit. Every time it > shows 99% complete. > I have checked the program against the checksum to make sure that it was > not finished and the download program was not just misreporting the size. > Is this a problem with my system or is there a problem with the file? You didn't mention where you downloaded it from, but it sounds like you was downloading from a mirror which still hadn't gotten the complete file ... /Jesper -- Jesper Skriver, jesper(at)skriver(dot)dk - CCIE #5456 Work: Network manager @ AS3292 (Tele Danmark DataNetworks) Private: FreeBSD committer @ AS2109 (A much smaller network ;-) One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 14:42:28 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mailrelay.netcologne.de (mailrelay.netcologne.de [194.8.194.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E78D37B41A for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:42:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (xdsl-213-168-116-122.netcologne.de [213.168.116.122]) by mailrelay.netcologne.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0AMgKN09310 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:42:20 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 270 invoked by uid 1001); 10 Jan 2002 22:40:26 -0000 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:26 +0100 From: Thomas Seck To: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Message-ID: <20020110224026.GA239@laurel.seck.home> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organization: private site in Germany X-PGP-KeyID: DF46EE05 X-PGP-Fingerprint: A38F AE66 6B11 6EB9 5D1A B67D 2444 2FE1 DF46 EE05 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG # John Baldwin (jhb@FreeBSD.ORG): > Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists > thanks. I could successfully boot the image on a P133 and a Celeron 400. I will do some installation testing on a Duron 800 system tomorrow at work. --Thomas To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 15: 3:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11CC837B836 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020110225453.WTQJ10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:54:53 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0AMsrQ06804; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:54:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201102254.g0AMsrQ06804@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Thomas Seck Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available In-reply-to: <20020110224026.GA239@laurel.seck.home> References: <20020110224026.GA239@laurel.seck.home> Comments: In-reply-to Thomas Seck message dated "Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:40:26 +0100." From: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@FreeBSD.ORG X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:54:53 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG If memory serves me right, Thomas Seck wrote: > # John Baldwin (jhb@FreeBSD.ORG): > > > Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists > > thanks. > > I could successfully boot the image on a P133 and a Celeron 400. > > I will do some installation testing on a Duron 800 system tomorrow at > work. Whether the image boots or not is less a function of what processor you have in a machine and more a function of the motherboard and BIOS (maybe disk controller?). For some well-known vendors, it's meaningful to say what model a machine is. Still it's good to see you're having some success...thanks for reporting it. My own testing shows that I can boot the cdboot image on an IBM ThinkPad T21 and a Sony Vaio PCG-Z505HS. I haven't tried it yet on my workstation (Asus P2B motherboard with Adaptec 2940U2W) or my firewall (Intel ZP motherboard with Adaptec 2940), because I can't down either machine at the moment. Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 15:14:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (pns.wobline.de [212.68.68.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A3C37BC89 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:13:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from colt.ncptiddische.net (ppp-228.wobline.de [212.68.69.239]) by mcqueen.wolfsburg.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/tw-20010821) with ESMTP id g0ANDbC09564; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:13:38 +0100 Received: from tisys.org (jodie.ncptiddische.net [192.168.0.2]) by colt.ncptiddische.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0ANEfX57634; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:14:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils@tisys.org) Received: (from nils@localhost) by tisys.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0ANDxg61664; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:13:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nils) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:13:59 +0100 From: Nils Holland To: Thomas Seck Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Message-ID: <20020111001359.B61473@tisys.org> References: <20020110224026.GA239@laurel.seck.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020110224026.GA239@laurel.seck.home>; from tmseck@netcologne.de on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:40:26PM +0100 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD jodie.ncptiddische.net 4.5-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE X-Machine-Uptime: 12:01AM up 6:28, 2 users, load averages: 0.14, 0.04, 0.01 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 11:40:26PM +0100, Thomas Seck stood up and spoke: > # John Baldwin (jhb@FreeBSD.ORG): > > > Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists > > thanks. > > I could successfully boot the image on a P133 and a Celeron 400. > > I will do some installation testing on a Duron 800 system tomorrow at > work. Yes, cdboot seems to work fine, at least it succeeded on five out of five machines here, all built between 1997 and 2001. Greetings Nils -- Nils Holland Ti Systems - FreeBSD in Tiddische, Germany http://www.tisys.org * nils@tisys.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 15:24: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail1.murraystate.edu (mail1.murraystate.edu [216.249.159.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4807037B402; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:23:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from runbox.com (216.249.168.70) by mail1.murraystate.edu (NPlex 5.5.031) id 3C122179000BC507; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:21:02 -0600 Message-ID: <3C3E22A0.7000708@runbox.com> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:24:16 -0600 From: AL Grant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.7) Gecko/20020109 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesper Skriver Cc: John Baldwin , stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available References: <3C3E1167.5080302@runbox.com> <20020110232119.B9994@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jesper Skriver wrote: >On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:10:47PM -0600, AL Grant wrote: > >>I have tried to download this program 3 times and it will never finish >>the download. >>The first time I got 660171KB and it quit then I got 660170KB and it >>quit. Just now I tried again and it got 660168KB and quit. Every time it >>shows 99% complete. >>I have checked the program against the checksum to make sure that it was >>not finished and the download program was not just misreporting the size. >>Is this a problem with my system or is there a problem with the file? >> > >You didn't mention where you downloaded it from, but it sounds like you >was downloading from a mirror which still hadn't gotten the complete >file ... > >/Jesper > I am trying again direct from the link posted to the list. AL To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 15:26:29 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from bunrab.catwhisker.org (adsl-63-193-123-122.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.193.123.122]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2273237B41D for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (from david@localhost) by bunrab.catwhisker.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0ANQQ241566 for qa@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from david) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:26:26 -0800 (PST) From: David Wolfskill Message-Id: <200201102326.g0ANQQ241566@bunrab.catwhisker.org> To: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available In-Reply-To: Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG >Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:59:47 -0800 (PST) >From: John Baldwin >A new experimental CD bootstrap was recently added to -stable for the i386 >architecture that allows the full contents of the CD to be used when booting. >.... >The release engineering team would like feedback as to roughly how many >machines do not work with the new bootstrap utility as well as how many >machines do work. If most machines work with the new bootstrap, then we may >switch to using the new bootstrap on the release ISO images. >.... >Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. I have tested it on 4 machines (so far); it worked on 3: * IBM Intellistation (686810U) OK * IBM ThinkPad (600E) OK * IBM ThinkPad (770Z) OK * NEC Versa (6030X) Failed Messages from the failure: CD Loader 1.01 Building the boot loader arguments Read Error: 0x01 Could not find Primary Volume Descriptor [Note that I had (successfully) upgraded the Versa to 4.5-RC1 with the "normal" ISO image earlier in the day. And the machiine is likely old and slow enough that it's of little interest.] Cheers, david -- David H. Wolfskill david@catwhisker.org I believe it would be irresponsible (and thus, unethical) for me to advise, recommend, or support the use of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product for any purpose other than personal amusement. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 15:43:44 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from pi.yip.org (pi.yip.org [199.45.111.121]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3C4D37B416; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (from melange@localhost) by pi.yip.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) id g0ANhGO63901; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:43:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from melange@yip.org) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:43:16 -0500 From: Bob K To: AL Grant Cc: stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Message-ID: <20020110184316.X65270@yip.org> References: <3C3E1167.5080302@runbox.com> <20020110232119.B9994@FreeBSD.org> <3C3E22A0.7000708@runbox.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C3E22A0.7000708@runbox.com>; from agrant@runbox.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:24:16PM -0600 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 05:24:16PM -0600, AL Grant wrote: > I am trying again direct from the link posted to the list. How about when you try it like this? fetch -a -R -r -w 75 -T 90 \ ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso OT: I made a small, dumb tcsh script for this sort of thing. You stick URLs in $HOME/.leech.urls, make a directory (or symlink) called $HOME/leeched , run the script, and forget about it. It records what it's downloaded so far in $HOME/.leeched.urls. Just looking at it now, I see a bunch of potential improvements, but hey, it works... #!/bin/tcsh -f foreach sucker ( `cat $HOME/.leech.urls` ) echo $$ > $HOME/leech.pid set sucked = 0 while ($sucked != 1) set sucked = 0 cd $HOME/leeched && fetch -a -R -r -w 75 -T 90 "$sucker" \ && set sucked = 1 \ && echo "$sucker leeched.">>$HOME/.leeched.urls end end -- Bob | It's not how big your .sig is; it's how you use it. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 16: 4:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail12.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF1037B8E1 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 25647 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 00:02:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Jan 2002 00:02:07 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200201102326.g0ANQQ241566@bunrab.catwhisker.org> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:01:33 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: David Wolfskill Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Cc: qa@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jan-02 David Wolfskill wrote: >>Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:59:47 -0800 (PST) >>From: John Baldwin > >>A new experimental CD bootstrap was recently added to -stable for the i386 >>architecture that allows the full contents of the CD to be used when booting. >>.... > >>The release engineering team would like feedback as to roughly how many >>machines do not work with the new bootstrap utility as well as how many >>machines do work. If most machines work with the new bootstrap, then we may >>switch to using the new bootstrap on the release ISO images. > >>.... > >>Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. > > I have tested it on 4 machines (so far); it worked on 3: > > * IBM Intellistation (686810U) OK > * IBM ThinkPad (600E) OK > * IBM ThinkPad (770Z) OK > * NEC Versa (6030X) Failed > > Messages from the failure: > > CD Loader 1.01 > > Building the boot loader arguments > Read Error: 0x01 > Could not find Primary Volume Descriptor > > > [Note that I had (successfully) upgraded the Versa to 4.5-RC1 with the > "normal" ISO image earlier in the day. And the machiine is likely old > and slow enough that it's of little interest.] Hmm, that's weird. Can you see if the NEC Versa can boot a NT 4 or ME or 2000 CD? Also, how old is the BIOS on the Versa? (And is there a newer version you can flash onto it?) -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 16: 6:32 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B59737B447; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from chowder.localdomain (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0B06GZ52601; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:36:17 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:36:16 +1030 (CST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: John Baldwin Subject: RE: New cdboot ISO available Cc: qa@FreeBSD.org, stable@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 10-Jan-2002 John Baldwin wrote: > The cdboot image can be found at > ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.5-RC1-cdboot. > iso > > The MD5 checksum of the image is: > MD5 (4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso) = 294c50cdfe77f51b8224ae9679afeabf > > This new bootstrap utility is used on Windows NT 4, Windows ME, and Windows > 2000 CD's (and probably Windows XP CD's), so if your system has a > 'Designed for' sticker featuring one of those operating systems, it will > probably work with cdboot. > > Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists thanks. Any chance of an ISO that is smaller, just for testing the CD boot thing? --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 16:13: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail6.speakeasy.net (mail6.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.206]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615B737B402 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:12:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 8930 invoked from network); 11 Jan 2002 00:12:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO laptop.baldwin.cx) ([64.81.54.73]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 11 Jan 2002 00:12:55 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:12:21 -0800 (PST) From: John Baldwin To: "Daniel O'Connor" Subject: RE: New cdboot ISO available Cc: stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 11-Jan-02 Daniel O'Connor wrote: > > On 10-Jan-2002 John Baldwin wrote: >> The cdboot image can be found at >> ftp://releng4.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/i386/ISO-IMAGES/4.5-RC1-cdboot >> . >> iso >> >> The MD5 checksum of the image is: >> MD5 (4.5-RC1-cdboot.iso) = 294c50cdfe77f51b8224ae9679afeabf >> >> This new bootstrap utility is used on Windows NT 4, Windows ME, and Windows >> 2000 CD's (and probably Windows XP CD's), so if your system has a >> 'Designed for' sticker featuring one of those operating systems, it will >> probably work with cdboot. >> >> Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists >> thanks. > > Any chance of an ISO that is smaller, just for testing the CD boot thing? Murray, would you mind a smaller image? Basically a miniinst.iso with no packagse and no X perhaps? -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 16:52: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from sage-american.com (sage-american.com [216.122.141.44]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF6C37B41B; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:51:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from SAGEONE (adsl-64-219-30-200.dsl.crchtx.swbell.net [64.219.30.200]) by sage-american.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA14933; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:51:47 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20020110185144.017b9de8@mail.sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sage-american.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:51:44 -0600 To: AL Grant , Jesper Skriver From: jacks@sage-american.com Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Cc: John Baldwin , stable@FreeBSD.ORG, qa@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <3C3E22A0.7000708@runbox.com> References: <3C3E1167.5080302@runbox.com> <20020110232119.B9994@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I got a download this morning from that same link.... At 05:24 PM 1.10.2002 -0600, AL Grant wrote: >Jesper Skriver wrote: > >>On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:10:47PM -0600, AL Grant wrote: >> >>>I have tried to download this program 3 times and it will never finish >>>the download. >>>The first time I got 660171KB and it quit then I got 660170KB and it >>>quit. Just now I tried again and it got 660168KB and quit. Every time it >>>shows 99% complete. >>>I have checked the program against the checksum to make sure that it was >>>not finished and the download program was not just misreporting the size. >>>Is this a problem with my system or is there a problem with the file? >>> >> >>You didn't mention where you downloaded it from, but it sounds like you >>was downloading from a mirror which still hadn't gotten the complete >>file ... >> >>/Jesper >> >I am trying again direct from the link posted to the list. > >AL > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message > > Best regards, Jack L. Stone, Server Admin =================================================== Sage-American http://www.sage-american.com jacks@sage-american.com "My center is giving way, my right is in retreat; ....situation excellent! ....I shall attack!" =================================================== To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 18: 4: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from spoon.beta.com (spoon.beta.com [199.165.180.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E7337B404 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:04:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from spoon.beta.com (mcgovern@localhost.beta.com [127.0.0.1]) by spoon.beta.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0B23x219804 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:04:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mcgovern@spoon.beta.com) Message-Id: <200201110204.g0B23x219804@spoon.beta.com> To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: cdboot ok on Athlon 1Ghz... Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:03:59 -0500 From: Brian McGovern Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Just an FYI, but I have a couple of generic Athlon 1Ghz systems, and the cdboot stuff works fine on both. I'll be checking my IBM T20 and an HP Kayak tomorrow. -Brian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 19:28:25 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mail.fibertel.com.ar (mta2.fibertel.com.ar [24.232.0.162]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCD2737B400; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:28:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from there (24.232.146.62) by mail.fibertel.com.ar (5.5.034) id 3C35C358000F266D; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:29:19 -0300 Message-ID: <3C35C358000F266D@mail.fibertel.com.ar> (added by postmaster@fibertel.com.ar) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Noel Balansag To: John Baldwin , stable@FreeBSD.org, qa@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:25:05 -0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG works on my box. i can boot and install from the iso cd. only error i got was sawfish not found on INDEX. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 20: 1:48 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752D237B404; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:01:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020111040147.LOYW3578.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:01:47 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0B41kk00396; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:01:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201110401.g0B41kk00396@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org Subject: More cdboot success From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:01:46 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Two more datapoints: cdboot loaded successfully on my home workstation (PII-400 on an Asus P2B motherboard + Adaptec 2940U2W) and my firewall (P54C-100 on an Intel ZP motherboard + Adaptec 2940UW). Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 20:10:51 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D0E37B436; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:10:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from bmah.dyndns.org ([12.233.149.189]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020111041045.MCIK10199.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@bmah.dyndns.org>; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:10:45 +0000 Received: (from bmah@localhost) by bmah.dyndns.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0B4Aj900592; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:10:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bmah) Message-Id: <200201110410.g0B4Aj900592@bmah.dyndns.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Cc: bmah@freebsd.org Subject: sysinstall(8) and ERRATA.TXT From: bmah@freebsd.org (Bruce A. Mah) Reply-To: bmah@freebsd.org X-Face: g~c`.{#4q0"(V*b#g[i~rXgm*w;:nMfz%_RZLma)UgGN&=j`5vXoU^@n5v4:OO)c["!w)nD/!!~e4Sj7LiT'6*wZ83454H""lb{CC%T37O!!'S$S&D}sem7I[A 2V%N&+ X-Image-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/Images/bmah-cisco-small.gif X-Url: http://www.employees.org/~bmah/ Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:10:45 -0800 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG So...while I was wandering around the 4.5-RC1 snapshot sysinstall, I realized that apparently there is nowhere to read ERRATA.TXT. In my world-view it should be in the Documentation menu. It's not a big deal for RELEASEs, since typically the ERRATA.TXT doesn't have anything in it (4.4-RELEASE was an exception). But a SNAPSHOT might have some useful content in its ERRATA.TXT file. Should we fix this? Bruce. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-qa" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-qa Thu Jan 10 22:47:57 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Received: from mailrelay.netcologne.de (mailrelay.netcologne.de [194.8.194.96]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5401137B417 for ; Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:47:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (xdsl-213-168-116-214.netcologne.de [213.168.116.214]) by mailrelay.netcologne.de (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0B6lkN12362 for ; Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:47:46 +0100 (MET) Received: (qmail 504 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Jan 2002 06:47:00 -0000 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:47:00 +0100 From: Thomas Seck To: freebsd-qa@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New cdboot ISO available Message-ID: <20020111064700.GA474@laurel.seck.home> References: <20020110224026.GA239@laurel.seck.home> <200201102254.g0AMsrQ06804@bmah.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200201102254.g0AMsrQ06804@bmah.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Organization: private site in Germany X-PGP-KeyID: DF46EE05 X-PGP-Fingerprint: A38F AE66 6B11 6EB9 5D1A B67D 2444 2FE1 DF46 EE05 Sender: owner-freebsd-qa@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline # Bruce A. Mah (bmah@FreeBSD.ORG): > If memory serves me right, Thomas Seck wrote: > > # John Baldwin (jhb@FreeBSD.ORG): > > > > > Please test this ISO and provide feedback to the -stable or -qa lists > > > thanks. > > > > I could successfully boot the image on a P133 and a Celeron 400. > > > > I will do some installation testing on a Duron 800 system tomorrow at > > work. > > Whether the image boots or not is less a function of what processor you > have in a machine and more a function of the motherboard and BIOS (maybe > disk controller?). For some well-known vendors, it's meaningful to say > what model a machine is. Still it's good to see you're having some > success...thanks for reporting it. Sorry, 't was too late that evening. The P133 is a 430FX system with a Gigabyte GA586 Mainboard, the Celeron sits on a Gigabyte BX2000 board. Both systems are IDE based, PIIX3 and PIIX4 respectively. dmesg are attached, for the curious. --Thomas --M9NhX3UHpAaciwkO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="dmesg.laurel" Copyright (c) 1992-2001 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.5-PRERELEASE #1: Fri Dec 28 19:15:47 CET 2001 tmseck@hardy.seck.home:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAUREL Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 133637119 Hz CPU: Pentium/P54C (133.64-MHz 586-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x52c Stepping = 12 Features=0x1bf real memory = 67108864 (65536K bytes) avail memory = 61956096 (60504K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xc0351000. Intel Pentium detected, installing workaround for F00F bug md0: Malloc disk npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xf000-0xf00f at device 7.1 on pci0 ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: at 9.0 irq 11 rl0: port 0x6100-0x61ff mem 0xe1004000-0xe10040ff irq 10 at device 10.0 on pci0 rl0: Ethernet address: 00:48:54:3d:5d:cf miibus0: on rl0 rlphy0: on miibus0 rlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto rl1: port 0x6200-0x62ff mem 0xe1005000-0xe10050ff irq 9 at device 11.0 on pci0 rl1: Ethernet address: 00:06:7b:00:a7:7b miibus1: on rl1 rlphy1: on miibus1 rlphy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto orm0: