From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 13 11: 4:11 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CF337B400 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:04:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (from eugen@localhost) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g0DJ36M05987 for small@freebsd.org; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:03:06 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:03:06 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Small FreeBSD but not crunched Message-ID: <20020114020306.A5954@grosbein.pp.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! While PicoBSD is really great for tiny applications like 1.44M floppies, it's sometimes desirable to have generic but small installation. Sysinstall can fit minimal system to 200Mb HDD/8Mb RAM and system will work smoothly. Sometimes I need more. For example, using <150Mb HDD and <8Mb RAM. It is possible to install small world using /etc/make.conf's features line NO_SENDMAIL=true etc. I can make ~67Mb world with 4.5RC1 and it can be easily stripped to <50Mb by removing static libs etc. Very good. The last question is kernel size. F.e., I need HDD, sio ports and kernel level ppp for PPP-only networking system. There is not problem with 8Mb RAM but it's very hard if I have 4Mb only. Minimal kernel I could built still takes >2Mb of RAM. The system can boot to multiuser if it has some swap space but it swaps heavily even when there are only 4-5 processes running. So the question is: how can I reduce kernel (and kernel memory), are there some 'hidden' options not mentioned in LINT? Using 2.2.x is not an option when I need dummynet with WF2Q. Here is a smallest configuration I could reach. It still takes more than 2Mb for kernel memory. machine i386 cpu I686_CPU ident EP maxusers 4 options MAXMEM=4*1024 # that's for testing on developer's # machine options INET options FFS options FFS_ROOT options COMPAT_43 device isa0 # developer has "small" installation on the second hard drive device ata1 at isa? port IO_WD2 irq 15 device ata device atadisk options ATA_STATIC_ID device atkbdc0 at isa? port IO_KBD flags 0x01 device atkbd0 at atkbdc? irq 1 # try to reduce vga and syscons drivers device vga0 at isa? port ? options VGA_NO_MODE_CHANGE device sc0 at isa? options SC_NO_CUTPASTE options SC_NO_SYSMOUSE options SC_NO_FONT_LOADING options SC_NO_HISTORY options MAXCONS=2 device npx0 at nexus? port IO_NPX irq 13 device sio0 at isa? port IO_COM1 flags 0x10 irq 4 device sio1 at isa? port IO_COM2 irq 3 pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ppp 2 pseudo-device pty #EOF Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 13 11:33:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B78B37B416 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:33:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0DJXHl04684; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:33:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0DJXGx68320; Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:33:16 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:32:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020113.123245.33242915.imp@village.org> To: eugen@grosbein.pp.ru Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Small FreeBSD but not crunched From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20020114020306.A5954@grosbein.pp.ru> References: <20020114020306.A5954@grosbein.pp.ru> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <20020114020306.A5954@grosbein.pp.ru> Eugene Grosbein writes: : It is possible to install small world using /etc/make.conf's features : line NO_SENDMAIL=true etc. I can make ~67Mb world with 4.5RC1 and : it can be easily stripped to <50Mb by removing static libs etc. Very good. Just installing what you need can get you down to about 6.5MB with the stock /etc/rc files working, but that can be stripped a little more if you write custom rc files. : So the question is: how can I reduce kernel (and kernel memory), : are there some 'hidden' options not mentioned in LINT? : Using 2.2.x is not an option when I need dummynet with WF2Q. Find the largest .o that you have, and optimize it. I know that this is harder than just adding options, but it likely is the only way in your extremely constrained memory setup. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Mon Jan 14 7:55: 6 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f142.law9.hotmail.com [64.4.9.142]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D57B37B440 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:54:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:54:45 -0800 Received: from 24.9.137.53 by lw9fd.law9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:54:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.9.137.53] From: "Chuck T." To: clay@curtiss.net Cc: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PicoBSD newbie question Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:54:44 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jan 2002 15:54:45.0251 (UTC) FILETIME=[C96EDD30:01C19D13] Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG You're correct the images on the PicoBSD home page haven't been updated in ages. Since PicoBSD is now part of the standard FreeBSD source tree you can create your own (see /usr/src/release/picobsd/). You might be interested in http://thewall.sf.net ... it's a single floppy firewall built from PicoBSD 4.4. Prebuilt binaries as well as the corresponding PicoBSD configuration tree are available. >From: "Clay Curtiss" >To: >Subject: PicoBSD newbie question >Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:28:30 -0800 > >I just started playing with the dial-in server version of PicoBSD (version >.41 from the homepage). Its booting and I have the network configured. >However, I don't know how to save the hardware configuration that I >specified during the boot process. I press Q followed by Y to save the >hardware config, but I have to do it all over again next time I boot. I've >also tried '/stand/update' after I boot and login, but I get a "write >failed, file system is full" message when I try that. Can anyone point me >in the right direction? > >Also, it looks like the PicoBSD homepage hasn't been updated in a few >years. >Is 0.41 the most recent version? > >Thanks, >Clay > > > >To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 17 4:44:12 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from darkstar.wave-net.com.br (ipcorp-C8B16E82.ssa.terraempresas.com.br [200.177.110.130]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F2B37B400 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 04:44:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from jcrr (wv-acc2-ssa-C8B06E01.brdterra.com.br [200.176.110.1]) by darkstar.wave-net.com.br (8.11.2/8.11.0) with SMTP id g0HCkrF06388 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:46:55 -0200 Message-ID: <001f01c19f5c$e781dde0$2c00a8c0@intranet.wavenet.com.br> From: "Joao Carlos" To: Subject: Compiling a WaveLAN release Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:43:09 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi folks, I'm trying to compile PicoBSD in the 4.5-RC source tree. Using the steps described at how2build.html i did not have success. I didn't find the build script, for example. I'd like to know if somebody has some better instructions and if anybody had success creating a PicoBSD with the WaveLAN (wi driver) support. 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Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG I have a data recovery issue I need to complete, and one way I have thought of doing this is by taking the contents of (floppy X) that I have and copying it onto my laptop hard drive. Unfortunately, my laptop has no OS on it, and my net connection is so slow that I cannot load FreeBSD on it (and I have no CD). So, is it possible to boot off pico, mount the hard drive, then insert a different floppy disk and copy that contents to the hard drive ? I tried this with the FIXIT disk, but I can't unmount the fixit disk because the device is busy (of course) but if I don't unmount the fixit disk, then how can I use (floppy X) ? So will that be possible with pico ? Also, if you know of a way to do this in the FIXIT environment, that would be helpful as well :) thanks! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 19 23:29:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cs.byu.edu (mail.cs.byu.edu [128.187.168.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 428AF37B41C for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravel.cs.byu.edu (ravel.cs.byu.edu [128.187.175.88]) by mail.cs.byu.edu (8.11.2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0K7RS015473; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:27:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:29:40 -0700 (MST) From: Eric Snow To: Joan Schunck Cc: Subject: Re: can I use other floppies with picoBSD ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joan, Could you just copy the contents of the picoBSD floppy onto your hard drive and go from there? -eric On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Joan Schunck wrote: > > I have a data recovery issue I need to complete, and one way I have > thought of doing this is by taking the contents of (floppy X) that I have > and copying it onto my laptop hard drive. > > Unfortunately, my laptop has no OS on it, and my net connection is so slow > that I cannot load FreeBSD on it (and I have no CD). > > So, is it possible to boot off pico, mount the hard drive, then insert a > different floppy disk and copy that contents to the hard drive ? > > I tried this with the FIXIT disk, but I can't unmount the fixit disk > because the device is busy (of course) but if I don't unmount the fixit > disk, then how can I use (floppy X) ? > > So will that be possible with pico ? Also, if you know of a way to do > this in the FIXIT environment, that would be helpful as well :) > > thanks! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > -- ================================================================================ Eric W. Snow HTTP://www.ericsnow.org ================================================================================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message