From owner-freebsd-small Sun Jan 20 12:46:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from math.cudenver.edu (math.cudenver.edu [132.194.16.89]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3452337B416 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 12:46:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (jschunck@localhost) by math.cudenver.edu (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g0KKkZb30533; Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:46:36 -0700 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 13:46:35 -0700 (MST) From: Joan Schunck To: Eric Snow Cc: Subject: Re: can I use other floppies with picoBSD ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Do you mean that I can copy pico over to the hard drive, and then _boot_ off the hard drive - that is, a hard drive based pico implementation, thus allowing me to use the floppy disk ? If so, that would work for me, but I have no idea how to do that. Is this documented anywhere ? thanks! On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Eric Snow wrote: > Joan, > > Could you just copy the contents of the picoBSD floppy onto your hard > drive and go from there? > > -eric > > > On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Joan Schunck wrote: > > > > > I have a data recovery issue I need to complete, and one way I have > > thought of doing this is by taking the contents of (floppy X) that I have > > and copying it onto my laptop hard drive. > > > > Unfortunately, my laptop has no OS on it, and my net connection is so slow > > that I cannot load FreeBSD on it (and I have no CD). > > > > So, is it possible to boot off pico, mount the hard drive, then insert a > > different floppy disk and copy that contents to the hard drive ? > > > > I tried this with the FIXIT disk, but I can't unmount the fixit disk > > because the device is busy (of course) but if I don't unmount the fixit > > disk, then how can I use (floppy X) ? > > > > So will that be possible with pico ? Also, if you know of a way to do > > this in the FIXIT environment, that would be helpful as well :) > > > > thanks! > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Tue Jan 22 1:55:41 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mail.cs.byu.edu (mail.cs.byu.edu [128.187.168.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4961737B400 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 01:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ravel.cs.byu.edu (ravel.cs.byu.edu [128.187.175.88]) by mail.cs.byu.edu (8.11.2/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0M9qB016668; Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:52:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 02:54:31 -0700 (MST) From: Eric Snow To: Joan Schunck Cc: Subject: Re: can I use other floppies with picoBSD ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Joan, Well, it's not as easy as just copying it over. You will need to format the hard drive for FreeBSD, and reconfigure PicoBSD to be able to mount the hard drive, all before you can copy the files over. You may be better off installing FreeBSD straight off and using the minimal installation to cut down on download time. If you do go for PicoBSD still, I would recommednd you take a look at a pretty good FAQ for pico. It's by Bruce Montague and it's found at: http://www.cse.ucsc.edu/~brucem/pico_notes.htm I don't claim to be an expert on PicoBSD, but it looks like you would have to - format the hard disk (maybe using the FreeBSD install disk) if it's not formatted already for FreeBSD, - make sure Pico is set up for hard disk use, with drivers and such, - mount the hard drive, - copy the files over. -eric On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Joan Schunck wrote: > > Do you mean that I can copy pico over to the hard drive, and then _boot_ > off the hard drive - that is, a hard drive based pico implementation, thus > allowing me to use the floppy disk ? > > If so, that would work for me, but I have no idea how to do that. Is this > documented anywhere ? > i> thanks! > > > On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Eric Snow wrote: > > > Joan, > > > > Could you just copy the contents of the picoBSD floppy onto your hard > > drive and go from there? > > > > -eric > > > > > > On Sat, 19 Jan 2002, Joan Schunck wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a data recovery issue I need to complete, and one way I have > > > thought of doing this is by taking the contents of (floppy X) that I have > > > and copying it onto my laptop hard drive. > > > > > > Unfortunately, my laptop has no OS on it, and my net connection is so slow > > > that I cannot load FreeBSD on it (and I have no CD). > > > > > > So, is it possible to boot off pico, mount the hard drive, then insert a > > > different floppy disk and copy that contents to the hard drive ? > > > > > > I tried this with the FIXIT disk, but I can't unmount the fixit disk > > > because the device is busy (of course) but if I don't unmount the fixit > > > disk, then how can I use (floppy X) ? > > > > > > So will that be possible with pico ? Also, if you know of a way to do > > > this in the FIXIT environment, that would be helpful as well :) > > > > > > thanks! > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > > > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > -- ================================================================================ Eric W. Snow HTTP://www.ericsnow.org ================================================================================ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jan 23 5:29:21 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (www2.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.86]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC0A37B404 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:29:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from grosbein.pp.ru (eugen@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by D00015.dialonly.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0NDRjH10875 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:27:45 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.pp.ru) Message-ID: <3C4EBA51.4B12EC32@grosbein.pp.ru> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 20:27:45 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [ru] (X11; U; FreeBSD 4.5-RC i386) X-Accept-Language: ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: small@freebsd.org Subject: bzip2'd kernel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi! The loader not supports loading kernel compressed with bzip2. But how can I make this kind of kernel? Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jan 23 13: 9:53 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F49537B416 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0NLA7L57767; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:10:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:10:07 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Eugene Grosbein Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bzip2'd kernel In-Reply-To: <3C4EBA51.4B12EC32@grosbein.pp.ru> Message-ID: <20020123130959.E56623-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Eugene Grosbein wrote: > The loader not supports loading kernel compressed with bzip2. > But how can I make this kind of kernel? Take an installed kernel and bzip it :-) Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jan 23 13:52:30 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from gilliam.users.flyingcroc.net (gilliam.users.flyingcroc.net [207.246.128.2]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6906A37B402 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:52:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (atlev@localhost) by gilliam.users.flyingcroc.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA51149 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:52:26 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:52:26 -0800 (PST) From: Atle Veka To: small@FreeBSD.org Subject: Automatic FreeBSD install via PicoBSD? Message-ID: <20020123131208.D55706-100000@gilliam.users.flyingcroc.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello all-- We currently have 350+ FreeBSD installations on our network and are constantly adding new servers and reinstalling (upgrading) old installations. I am looking at creating a PicoBSD floppy that would essentially make an installation as easy as possible and require little intervention as our NOC attendants often make mistakes and we end up with non-standard systems. First off, I've found very little documentation on the picobsd project. This is what I've read so far: http://csl.cse.ucsc.edu/~brucem/pico_notes.htm http://people.freebsd.org/~picobsd/picobsd.html So, if anyone has a better document I can look at I'd appreciate it. I know there's a picobsd configuration for installs in the src, but it's incomplete and I haven't gotten a well enough grasp of it all yet to know if that's what I want to start with. If anyone has any experience with this I'd love to hear about it. :) Thanks! Atle - Flying Crocodile Inc, Unix Systems Administrator To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Wed Jan 23 21:28:34 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59EC837B404 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2002 21:28:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.kuzbass.ru (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0O5SGm06919; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:28:16 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@www.kuzbass.ru) Message-ID: <3C4F9B6A.B552F051@www.kuzbass.ru> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:28:10 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug White Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bzip2'd kernel References: <20020123130959.E56623-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Doug White wrote: > > The loader not supports loading kernel compressed with bzip2. ^^^ now :-) > > But how can I make this kind of kernel? > > Take an installed kernel and bzip it :-) Well, I don't want to use loader really :-) I tried to make PicoBSD floppy with bzip2-compressed kernel but that currently does not work. It seems I need kbzip2 that does not exists. I could hack kgzip but it uses /usr/lib/kgzldr.o and there is not kbzip2.o. I could hack kgzldr ;-) but it uses sys/kern/inflate.c and I could not find bzip2 kernel support. I'm not going to hack the kernel this way so I gave up. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 24 0:36: 9 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from oneplusone.ch (oneplusone.ch [212.55.208.170]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D54F337B405 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:36:04 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by oneplusone.ch (8.11.4/8.11.3) with UUCP id g0O8a3j30121; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:36:03 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: from marabu.marabu.ch (marabu.marabu.ch [192.168.21.3]) by marabu.ch (8.9.3/2000102801) with ESMTP id JAA00133; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:33:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ast@marabu.ch) Received: by marabu.marabu.ch (8.7.5/20001028-ast-8.3) id JAA20831; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:33:26 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200201240833.JAA20831@marabu.marabu.ch> MIME-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v124.8483.6) Content-Type: text/plain In-Reply-To: <3C4F9B6A.B552F051@www.kuzbass.ru> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 2.0b6) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.124.8483.6) From: Adrian Steinmann Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 09:33:25 +0100 To: Eugene Grosbein Subject: Re: bzip2'd kernel Cc: Doug White , small@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20020123130959.E56623-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> <3C4F9B6A.B552F051@www.kuzbass.ru> X-Organization: Steinmann Consulting, Apollostrasse 21, 8032 Zurich X-Phone-Numbers: Switzerland, Tel +41 1 380 30 83 Fax +41 1 380 30 85 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Eugene All the hooks are there, you don't need to "hack" anything! As someone else already mentioned, you simply need to bzip2 the kernel and use a loader that is bzip2-enabled. To build a minimal loader *without* gzip support but bzip2 support (and also without Forth support) use these compile flags: cd /usr/src/sys/boot/i386 make -f /usr/src/sys/boot/i386/Makefile \ NOFORTH=YES NOMAN=YES \ LOADER_BZIP2_SUPPORT=YES \ LOADER_NO_GZIP_SUPPORT=YES you can then further kgzip the loader and strip it: kgzip loader mv loader.kgz loader_mini strip --remove-section=.note --remove-section=.comment loader_mini You'll end up with a loader about this 90k in size. When you bzip2 the kernel (and md images) make sure you use the -1 option to allow for the restricted memory environment in which the loader runs: bzip2 -1v GENERIC My GENERIC.bz2 kernel is 1320680 bytes, however my custom kernels are only about half that size so I have ample space for a bzip2 mfsroot on one floppy. When you boot, interrupt the normal loader: Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. <*** HIT SPACE HERE ***> then: ok unload ok boot /boot/loader_mini /boot/loader_mini text=0x1760 data=0xceae+0x10516 \ interuppt agian: Hit [Enter] to boot immediately, or any other key for command prompt. Booting [kernel] in 9 seconds... <*** HIT SPACE HERE ***> ok load GENERIC /GENERIC text=0x13c80f data=0x3204c+0x18088 - ok load -t md_image mfsroot bzf_read: unexpected EOF ok set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/md0c ok boot -v Note that you say "load GENERIC" and not "load GENERIC.bz2" just like in the gzip case. Open questions: - Why can't one boot bzip2 kernels with forth-enable loaders? I think this has something to do with a comment I saw soemwhere: "forth changes the functionality of the boot command" - I'm not sure why I see the message "bzf_read: unexpected EOF" but it seems that it can be safely ignored. An unpadded buffer maybe? - I also don't understand why I must "set vfs.root.mountfrom=ufs:/dev/md0c" otherwise the loaded mfsroot is ignored and the kernel mounts the harddisks' rootfs. In the past, I have always been squeezing out these last bytes to fit as much kernel and mfsroot on one floppy. Since we regularly blowup our boot floppies due to kernel bloat, I have sent in PRs suggesting some of these changes, see: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=29272 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=33089 Hope this helps! Adrian To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 24 0:43: 5 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.49]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A5137B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:43:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from who ([12.88.97.32]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020124084257.IHFL13117.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@who> for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:42:57 +0000 From: "Gregg C Levine" To: Subject: Booting PicoBSD from solidstate disks Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 03:42:30 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c1a4b3$152f30c0$2061580c@who> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello from Gregg C Levine normally with Jedi Knight Computers Has anyone on this list ever successfully installed PicoBSD into an M-Systems, DOC? (Disk On Chip) And then his target board was able to boot it? I have an application in mind for an appropriately customized build of PicoBSD, and running it from DOC, as opposed to floppy boot. Haven't selected either the device, or the motherboard, or even did the build, at the moment, though. Busy collecting opinions, and advice. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke."=A0 Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 24 1:16:18 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (www.svzserv.kemerovo.su [213.184.65.80]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1802737B41E for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:16:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from www.kuzbass.ru (kost [213.184.65.82]) by www.svzserv.kemerovo.su (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0O9Ffm27046; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:15:41 +0700 (KRAT) (envelope-from eugen@www.kuzbass.ru) Message-ID: <3C4FD0B6.8B95CAFE@www.kuzbass.ru> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:15:34 +0700 From: Eugene Grosbein Organization: SVZServ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: ru,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adrian Steinmann Cc: Doug White , small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: bzip2'd kernel References: <20020123130959.E56623-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> <3C4F9B6A.B552F051@www.kuzbass.ru> <200201240833.JAA20831@marabu.marabu.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Adrian Steinmann wrote: > You'll end up with a loader about this 90k in size. That's too much for me now :-( Anyway, thanks. It would be nice to make kbzip2 instead of kgzip+loader as PicoBSD does need loader really. That would save another 90k. Eugene Grosbein To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 24 13:46:47 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from resnet.uoregon.edu (resnet.uoregon.edu [128.223.122.47]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439D037B400 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:46:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (dwhite@localhost) by resnet.uoregon.edu (8.11.3/8.10.1) with ESMTP id g0OLlD408407; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:47:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 13:47:12 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Atle Veka Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Automatic FreeBSD install via PicoBSD? In-Reply-To: <20020123131208.D55706-100000@gilliam.users.flyingcroc.net> Message-ID: <20020124134612.J5882-100000@resnet.uoregon.edu> X-All-Your-Base: are belong to us MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Atle Veka wrote: > We currently have 350+ FreeBSD installations on our network and are > constantly adding new servers and reinstalling (upgrading) old > installations. I am looking at creating a PicoBSD floppy that would > essentially make an installation as easy as possible and require little > intervention as our NOC attendants often make mistakes and we end up with > non-standard systems. Take a look at the install floppy image. I used this to install several machines at one of my previous employers. I'm not sure the image actually works, but the ideas are there. It just uses the PXE NFS mount and untars a tarball of the machine to install, then does some fixups. The guts are in the doinstall file stuck in /etc. Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@resnet.uoregon.edu | www.FreeBSD.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 24 19:35:33 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BB1337B402 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g0P3ZUl70941; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:30 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0P3ZSx62934; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:28 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:35:15 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20020124.203515.125979512.imp@village.org> To: hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Booting PicoBSD from solidstate disks From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <000a01c1a4b3$152f30c0$2061580c@who> References: <000a01c1a4b3$152f30c0$2061580c@who> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <000a01c1a4b3$152f30c0$2061580c@who> "Gregg C Levine" writes: : Hello from Gregg C Levine normally with Jedi Knight Computers : Has anyone on this list ever successfully installed PicoBSD into an : M-Systems, DOC? (Disk On Chip) And then his target board was able to : boot it? I've built a normal FreeBSD kernel for DOC as recently as 4.3-RELEASE. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Thu Jan 24 19:45: 2 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.50]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C9F37B404 for ; Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from who ([12.88.82.150]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020125034450.YYIX28721.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@who>; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 03:44:50 +0000 From: "Gregg C Levine" To: "'M. Warner Losh'" Cc: Subject: RE: Booting PicoBSD from solidstate disks Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:43:45 -0500 Message-ID: <001a01c1a552$8c464000$9652580c@who> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 In-reply-to: <20020124.203515.125979512.imp@village.org> Importance: Normal Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hello from Gregg C Levine normally with Jedi Knight Computers Okay thank you. I am busy rebuilding, a supposedly newly installed system who runs 4.4, and I am planning on building a bundle, that is one of PicoBSD, with the appropriate mods, such as the drivers for my chosen NICs, and a few other things. Can you supply me with the name of the motherboard that you chose? I have no need for the code that you used, one of the fellows on this list, has sent me a pointer for doing that. But if you wish, and it isn't covered under any kind of non-BSD license, or nondisclosure licensing scheme, then it can be sent as an attachment, as a zip file say. Off list that is. ------------------- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke."=A0 Obi-Wan Kenobi (This company dedicates this E-Mail to General Obi-Wan Kenobi ) (This company dedicates this E-Mail to Master Yoda ) > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG [mailto:owner-freebsd- > small@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of M. Warner Losh > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 10:35 PM > To: hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net > Cc: small@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: Booting PicoBSD from solidstate disks >=20 > In message: <000a01c1a4b3$152f30c0$2061580c@who> > "Gregg C Levine" writes: > : Hello from Gregg C Levine normally with Jedi Knight Computers > : Has anyone on this list ever successfully installed PicoBSD into an > : M-Systems, DOC? (Disk On Chip) And then his target board was able to > : boot it? >=20 > I've built a normal FreeBSD kernel for DOC as recently as 4.3-RELEASE. >=20 > Warner >=20 > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message >=20 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Fri Jan 25 13:24:24 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from nitro.dk (213.237.101.114.adsl.kh.worldonline.dk [213.237.101.114]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1DB4D37B416 for ; Fri, 25 Jan 2002 13:24:20 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 4577 invoked by uid 1000); 25 Jan 2002 21:25:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by fishbone.nitro.dk with SMTP; 25 Jan 2002 21:25:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:25:14 +0100 (CET) From: "Simon L. Nielsen" To: small@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Automatic FreeBSD install via PicoBSD? (fwd) Message-ID: <20020125222309.N4493-100000@nitro.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 2002.01.23 13:52:26 +0000, Atle Veka wrote: > If anyone has any experience with this I'd love to hear about it. :) At work I have created a installation floppy based on the PicoBSD install floppy (which is broken currently - at least was when I did the install my install floppy). It automatically partions the HD and then install a preconfigured FreeBSD using restore(8) from a CD-ROM or a NFS share. It works really great. It has cut install time in half or something like that. I unfortunately don't have time to clean it up for others at the moment but if anyone is interested I think I will have some time to do it in a few weeks. I never tried to get it in to the FreeBSD since none of the "PicoBSD commiters" seems to have the time to actually commit / look at stuff... (as happend with PR misc/28938 which nobody seemed to notice...) [Ups.. I think I cc my original mail to the wrong adrress... so this is a forward...] -- Simon L. Nielsen To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 26 3:17:40 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (genesi.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AB1C37B402 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 03:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from chowder.gsoft.com.au (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0QBHQZ66927 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 21:47:26 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:17:23 +1100 (EST) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Subject: Compact motherboard sources.. Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Hi, I'm interested in getting some small (ie book sized) PC's which can play audio and have ethernet as a way of running multiple audio (and video possibly) channels around my house. I have found a few possibilities.. http://www.dpie.com/etx/etxmgx.html (Not sure about the processor though) And http://www.soekris.com/ plus http://www.boser.com.tw/product/minipci/hs876.htm I am also going to look through a few electronics magazines in search of suitable systems.. The CPU requirements would be pretty modest I would think, but the sound quality would have to be (very) good which is probably going to be the kicker.. Anyone got any ideas? :) (BTW please CC me directly on this as I am not subscribed to this list) --- Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-small Sat Jan 26 9:48:31 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-small@freebsd.org Received: from jupiter.linuxengine.net (jupiter2.linuxengine.net [209.61.188.254]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B04D37B400 for ; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:48:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from jupiterweb.commercevault.com (jupiterweb.commercevault.com [209.61.179.16] (may be forged)) by jupiter.linuxengine.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g0QHmDv25645; Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:48:13 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:48:13 -0600 (CST) From: John Utz X-X-Sender: john@jupiter.linuxengine.net To: "Daniel O'Connor" Cc: freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Compact motherboard sources.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-small@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG anything that is called flexATX is the way to go. it's even smaller than microATX the last 2 computers that i have purchased have been in the bookpc from factor. getting cases has been a bitch, but it's less of a problem now. i really love the form factor, because i hate wasting space on a big empty box and i dont have any urge to buy the aftermarket vid cards, ie the "ThunderTech SabreRattler 256 AGP 4X Plutonium Edition". visitors to the home get freaked out because our computers look like the misbegotten progeny of a beige PC and an old sun pizzabox. note that it's probably a good idea to have one full size box to shove capture cards, backup gear, etc... On Sat, 26 Jan 2002, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > Hi, > I'm interested in getting some small (ie book sized) PC's which can play audio > and have ethernet as a way of running multiple audio (and video possibly) > channels around my house. > > I have found a few possibilities.. > http://www.dpie.com/etx/etxmgx.html > (Not sure about the processor though) > > And http://www.soekris.com/ plus > http://www.boser.com.tw/product/minipci/hs876.htm > > I am also going to look through a few electronics magazines in search of > suitable systems.. > > The CPU requirements would be pretty modest I would think, but the sound > quality would have to be (very) good which is probably going to be the kicker.. > > Anyone got any ideas? :) > > (BTW please CC me directly on this as I am not subscribed to this list) > > --- > Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer > for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au > "The nice thing about standards is that there > are so many of them to choose from." > -- Andrew Tanenbaum > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message > -- John L. Utz III john@utzweb.net Idiocy is the Impulse Function in the Convolution of Life To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-small" in the body of the message