From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Feb 9 8:39:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1245437B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:39:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (satanii.enemy.org [62.116.11.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289B243FAF for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 08:39:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Received: from satanii.enemy.org (cjm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by satanii.enemy.org (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h19Gdcb0006186 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:39:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cjm@satanii.enemy.org) Message-Id: <200302091639.h19Gdcb0006186@satanii.enemy.org> From: "Chris J. Mutter" To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Q: GDT6513RS/GDT4513RZ and FreeBSD/4.7R? X-Mailer: NMH-1.4 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:39:38 +0100 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hello, i want to buy a RAID controller for my AlphaServer 1000 (4/266). is it possible to use such thing - at least they should be supported on i386. is it possible to setup the RAID hostdrive from within the same alpha- box or do i have to put the thing into a PC/i386 and then put it back into the alpha? thanks, cjm To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Feb 9 10:41:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D7837B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:41:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2F743FB1 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:41:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h19IfG8X002915; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:41:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h19Ie0wO002908; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:40:00 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 10:40:00 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: "Chris J. Mutter" Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Q: GDT6513RS/GDT4513RZ and FreeBSD/4.7R? Message-ID: <20030209184000.GA61494@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org References: <200302091639.h19Gdcb0006186@satanii.enemy.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200302091639.h19Gdcb0006186@satanii.enemy.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 05:39:38PM +0100, Chris J. Mutter wrote: > hello, > > i want to buy a RAID controller for my AlphaServer 1000 (4/266). > is it possible to use such thing - at least they should be supported > on i386. Yes it is very possible. DEC sold rebadged Mylex "DAC960xx" somethings (uses mlx(4)). I'm not sure of any mlx(4) controller is supported in SRM, or just some of them. I'm sure Wilko will give us the details. :-) > is it possible to setup the RAID hostdrive from within the same alpha- > box or do i have to put the thing into a PC/i386 and then put it back > into the alpha? Unless I've totally misuderstood things, with an mlx(4) card you can do it from SRM. With other cards you'll have to set them up on a PC/i386 first. Note that not all of FreeBSD RAID drivers will work on non-PC/i386 machines -- asr(4) is an example of this. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sun Feb 9 12:56:56 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15F8F37B401 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:56:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F3F43FA3 for ; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 12:56:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h19Kuqxg046725; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:56:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h19KupGs046724; Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:56:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:56:51 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Chris J. Mutter" Subject: Re: Q: GDT6513RS/GDT4513RZ and FreeBSD/4.7R? Message-ID: <20030209215651.A46682@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <200302091639.h19Gdcb0006186@satanii.enemy.org> <20030209184000.GA61494@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030209184000.GA61494@dragon.nuxi.com>; from obrien@FreeBSD.ORG on Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 10:40:00AM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 10:40:00AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 05:39:38PM +0100, Chris J. Mutter wrote: > > hello, > > > > i want to buy a RAID controller for my AlphaServer 1000 (4/266). > > is it possible to use such thing - at least they should be supported > > on i386. > > Yes it is very possible. DEC sold rebadged Mylex "DAC960xx" somethings > (uses mlx(4)). I'm not sure of any mlx(4) controller is supported in > SRM, or just some of them. I'm sure Wilko will give us the details. :-) DAC960s. Aka RAIDarray230 controllers. KZPSC & KZPAC (IIRC). KZPAC was UltraSCSI, the other one Fast SCSI. The DEC cards had only one flash ROM which means you cannot go (much) higher than 2.73 (IIRC again) firmware. 3.x etc needs more flash which these cards dont have. W/ -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 10 14: 7:22 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D402F37B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6964E43F3F for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535AF2A8C2 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Should I be worried? beast.freebsd.org received processor correctable error Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:07:20 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030210220720.535AF2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Obviously this isn't a good sign, but is there any way to find out more details? Jan 30 16:47:48 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Jan 31 17:08:56 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 1 16:44:42 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 2 07:53:49 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 2 15:57:00 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 3 13:04:56 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 4 01:12:01 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 4 15:06:31 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 4 17:56:10 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 4 17:57:05 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 13:17:31 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 14:46:34 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 14:48:21 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 14:49:25 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 15:48:19 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 22:13:51 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 22:29:37 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 22:35:35 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 22:38:14 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 22:38:28 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 22:42:28 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 22:48:32 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 22:49:33 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 23:15:39 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 23:18:19 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 23:32:54 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 23:41:04 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 23:48:28 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 5 23:59:00 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 6 01:07:59 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 6 01:15:22 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 6 15:36:55 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 6 15:37:55 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 6 15:40:51 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 6 16:17:10 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 7 13:05:09 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 7 16:06:48 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 8 07:46:04 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 9 14:50:33 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 10 03:23:30 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Feb 10 04:16:29 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 10 14:14: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3888737B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:14:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1EF43FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:13:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1AMDuxg052138; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:13:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1AMDuVp052137; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:13:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:13:56 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Peter Wemm Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should I be worried? beast.freebsd.org received processor correctable error Message-ID: <20030210231356.A52120@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030210220720.535AF2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030210220720.535AF2A8C2@canning.wemm.org>; from peter@wemm.org on Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 02:07:20PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 02:07:20PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > Obviously this isn't a good sign, but is there any way to find out more > details? > Jan 30 16:47:48 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. > Jan 31 17:08:56 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. On T64 you would be able to get more details. But AFAIK the details on how to get that info from the hardware is considered IP by HPQ. This is most likely a memory problem of some sorts. Or (long shot) dodgy fans in the system. Beast is a CS20 (or am I wrong here?) which is a 1U box. Wilko -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 10 16:33:57 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E461637B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:33:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5F043FE1 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1B0Xs1o012699 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1B0XsNn012208 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1B0XsbM012207 for alpha@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:33:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:33:53 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Gang, I'm thinking about porting the Open Watcom compiler to FreeBSD. I expect the code generator to be better than gcc, but don't know yet how it compares to Compaq's compiler. Are people interested in a native non-gcc compiler for FreeBSD/alpha? How happy will people be (scale 1-10) if the compiler could compile the kernel as well? Am I right when I say that Compaq's compiler cannot be used to compile the kernel? NOTE: The compiler will obviously also support FreeBSD/i386, but the immediate advantage is less pronounced. Hence the focus towards FreeBSD/alpha. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 10 17:58:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE6F37B405 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:58:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD21543FAF for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:58:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03882A8B4; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:58:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 To: Wilko Bulte Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should I be worried? beast.freebsd.org received processor correctable error In-Reply-To: <20030210231356.A52120@freebie.xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:58:46 -0800 From: Peter Wemm Message-Id: <20030211015846.B03882A8B4@canning.wemm.org> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 02:07:20PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > Obviously this isn't a good sign, but is there any way to find out more > > details? > > > Jan 30 16:47:48 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error . > > Jan 31 17:08:56 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error . > > On T64 you would be able to get more details. But AFAIK the details on > how to get that info from the hardware is considered IP by HPQ. This is most > likely a memory problem of some sorts. Or (long shot) dodgy fans in the > system. Beast is a CS20 (or am I wrong here?) which is a 1U box. It's an API UP2000.. SRM says its a 264DP, and FreeBSD says it has a ST6600 machine type. What's really annoying is that it is the very bottom-most machine in a stack.. so going inside to wiggle dimms etc is not a trivial task. It has got Very Big Fans. (either 3U or 4U high, I dont remember which). Cheers, -Peter -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Mon Feb 10 18:20:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B3337B401 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:20:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au (mta08.mail.au.uu.net [203.2.192.89]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835E943FA3 for ; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 18:20:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rbyrnes@ozemail.com.au) Received: from ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au ([203.166.67.234]) by mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au with ESMTP id <20030211022036.TDS14058.mta08.mail.mel.aone.net.au@ausyddtp0050.ozemail.com.au>; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:20:36 +1100 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.2.20030211131757.00abc2e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: pop.ozemail.com.au:rbyrnes@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:19:59 +1100 To: Peter Wemm From: Rob B Subject: Re: Should I be worried? beast.freebsd.org received processor correctable error Cc: alpha@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030210220720.535AF2A8C2@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 09:07 11/02/2003, Peter Wemm sent this up the stick: >Obviously this isn't a good sign, but is there any way to find out more >details? > >Jan 30 16:47:48 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. > >Feb 10 03:23:30 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. >Feb 10 04:16:29 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error. Beast is running -current, yes? I've been seeing these on my -current crashbox (a Cabriolet - PC64) recently. I'll have to keep an eye out when it's powered back up (currently too hot here to have three Alphas going in my home office :) Rob -- Change your thoughts and you change your world. 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 0:48:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE0037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC35A43F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 00:48:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 12D8C536E; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:48:17 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:48:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> (Marcel Moolenaar's message of "Mon, 10 Feb 2003 16:33:53 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Moolenaar writes: > Are people interested in a native non-gcc compiler for FreeBSD/alpha? Yes. > How happy will people be (scale 1-10) if the compiler could compile > the kernel as well? 11 DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 2: 3:21 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572B137B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:03:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF1CC43F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:03:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0050.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.50] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18iXFc-00031y-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:02:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3E48C9F6.DCEE1857@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 02:01:26 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Marcel Moolenaar , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a48bed5174541b5a7ca334c2d1943beb5d387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Marcel Moolenaar writes: > > Are people interested in a native non-gcc compiler for FreeBSD/alpha? > > Yes. > > > How happy will people be (scale 1-10) if the compiler could compile > > the kernel as well? > > 11 += 11; it would stop all the GCC bitchfest, once and for all: "Don't like it? Then don't use it! But quit telling us about it!". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 6:13:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DCBA37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:13:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B21A43F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 06:13:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BEDN8I023569 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:13:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1BEDIU30290; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:13:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.1278.292937.743702@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:13:18 -0500 (EST) To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler In-Reply-To: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Moolenaar writes: > Are people interested in a native non-gcc compiler for FreeBSD/alpha? Yes. > How happy will people be (scale 1-10) if the compiler could compile > the kernel as well? 10 > Am I right when I say that Compaq's compiler cannot be used to > compile the kernel? Yes. This is mainly due to lazyness on our part. The Compaq compiler does not support gcc asm syntanx, so making it compile the kernel would largely be a matter of converting inline asm (as well as stepping over other hurdles common to non-gnu compilers). Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 8:15: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 168FE37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [193.197.184.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2A543FBD for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with gbsmtp id 18id3i-0006Zl-04; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:14:58 +0100 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BFcTPD067546 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:38:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1BFcSXr067542 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:38:29 +0100 (CET) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: gnupg on alpha? Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does anybody successfully use our security/gnupg port on FreeBSD/alpha? (I'm almost convinced it's broken and has been so at least since the last update, but since I'm clueless about gpg/pgp, it just might be due to pilot error.) -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 8:40:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F21937B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 595E143F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:40:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id E39235371; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:40:51 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: gnupg on alpha? From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:40:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: (naddy@mips.inka.de's message of "Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:38:28 +0000 (UTC)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) writes: > Does anybody successfully use our security/gnupg port on FreeBSD/alpha? It builds & runs fine on -CURRENT on my PWS 600au. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 8:57: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7AF37B405 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:57:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from dove.penix.org (dove.penix.org [216.144.7.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035B943FBD for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:57:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dp@dove.penix.org) Received: from dove.penix.org (dp@localhost.nls.net [127.0.0.1]) by dove.penix.org (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1BGv0lW010278; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:57:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dp@dove.penix.org) Received: from localhost (dp@localhost) by dove.penix.org (8.12.6/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id h1BGuxh0010275; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:56:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dp@dove.penix.org) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:56:59 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Halliday To: Christian Weisgerber Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gnupg on alpha? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030211115533.X9960@dove.penix.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Does anybody successfully use our security/gnupg port on FreeBSD/alpha? gpg (GnuPG) 1.0.7 PC164 4.7-Release Works fine. > > (I'm almost convinced it's broken and has been so at least since > the last update, but since I'm clueless about gpg/pgp, it just might > be due to pilot error.) > -- > Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 9: 4:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E2037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:04:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B18143F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 09:04:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BH4WUc072834 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:04:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely9.cicely.de (cicely9.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:210:5aff:fe30:1c1a]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BH4VFO062201 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:04:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely9.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely9.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BH4UXW015396; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:04:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely9.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1BH4T9H015395; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:04:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:04:28 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: gnupg on alpha? Message-ID: <20030211170427.GB14706@cicely9.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely9.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:40:51PM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) writes: > > Does anybody successfully use our security/gnupg port on FreeBSD/alpha? > > It builds & runs fine on -CURRENT on my PWS 600au. The same here. I've just successfully compiled and tested on a -current PC164. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 10:15: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A92F37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:15:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25A3043FB1 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 10:14:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BIEvxg055995; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:14:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1BIEvdL055990; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:14:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:14:57 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Peter Wemm Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Should I be worried? beast.freebsd.org received processor correctable error Message-ID: <20030211191457.A55953@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20030210231356.A52120@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20030211015846.B03882A8B4@canning.wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030211015846.B03882A8B4@canning.wemm.org>; from peter@wemm.org on Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 05:58:46PM -0800 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 05:58:46PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 02:07:20PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote: > > > > > Obviously this isn't a good sign, but is there any way to find out more > > > details? > > > > > Jan 30 16:47:48 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error > . > > > Jan 31 17:08:56 beast kernel: Warning: received processor correctable error > . > > > > On T64 you would be able to get more details. But AFAIK the details on > > how to get that info from the hardware is considered IP by HPQ. This is most > > likely a memory problem of some sorts. Or (long shot) dodgy fans in the > > system. Beast is a CS20 (or am I wrong here?) which is a 1U box. > > It's an API UP2000.. SRM says its a 264DP, and FreeBSD says it has > a ST6600 machine type. Ah, I knew that (/me notes he needs ECC memory) but forgot. > What's really annoying is that it is the very bottom-most machine in a > stack.. so going inside to wiggle dimms etc is not a trivial task. Murphy.. > It has got Very Big Fans. (either 3U or 4U high, I dont remember which). These are the CPUs on the daughter modules right? -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 11:22:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA79237B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:22:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E022D43F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:22:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BJMI1o017317; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BJMIl2003017; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:22:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1BJMHrM003016; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:22:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:22:17 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030211192217.GD2881@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <15945.1278.292937.743702@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15945.1278.292937.743702@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:13:18AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > Am I right when I say that Compaq's compiler cannot be used to > > compile the kernel? > > Yes. This is mainly due to lazyness on our part. The Compaq compiler > does not support gcc asm syntanx, so making it compile the kernel > would largely be a matter of converting inline asm (as well as > stepping over other hurdles common to non-gnu compilers). Ok. This mostly applies to OW as well I guess. It's also not specific to alpha, so it would be nice if we could come up with a good way to replace and avoid inline assembly in general without negative side- effects like duplication, performance hits and the likes... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 11:29:12 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2430137B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:29:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from web13402.mail.yahoo.com (web13402.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1C9C43FA3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:29:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from giffunip@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030211192910.86343.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.24.79.46] by web13402.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:29:10 CET Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:29:10 +0100 (CET) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Pedro=20F.=20Giffuni?=" Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <20030211191123.GC2881@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, Perhaps the following link might motivate people to get TenDRA working on FreeBSD-Alpha: http://www.tendra.org/~asmodai/compiled-apps.txt cheers, Pedro. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Cellulari: loghi, suonerie, picture message per il tuo telefonino http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://it.mobile.yahoo.com/index2002.html To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 12: 7:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B4F237B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:07:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp08.wxs.nl (smtp08.wxs.nl [195.121.6.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4473543F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:07:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marco@beishuizen.info) Received: from tsunami.bsd ([213.10.35.60]) by smtp08.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HA5UKA01.6KC for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:07:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:07:33 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? Message-ID: FreeBSD: Homepage: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have two machines, one Intel (450mhz) and one Alpha (600mhz). Both are running FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE and WindowMaker as windowmanager. The Intel has a Matrox G400max and the Alpha has a Matrox G450. Strange thing is that if I use Gimp to work with pictures or Acrobat to use pdf's, the Alpha is much slower than the Intel. It really takes a lot of time to load a pdf (not to mention scrolling through it), while on de Intel they open in a flash. Does anyone know why this is? Is there a way to make graphics performance better on the Alpha? Marco -- Great minds run in great circles. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 12:27:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F00C737B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:27:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B0A43FBF for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:27:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BKRQ8I000177 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:27:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1BKRLp30611; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:27:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:27:21 -0500 (EST) To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marco Beishuizen writes: > > Hi, > > I have two machines, one Intel (450mhz) and one Alpha (600mhz). Both are > running FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE and WindowMaker as windowmanager. The Intel > has a Matrox G400max and the Alpha has a Matrox G450. What kind of alpha? What sort of slot is graphics board in on the alpha? On the pc? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 12:34:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43F737B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:34:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C128B43FA3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:34:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marco@beishuizen.info) Received: from tsunami.bsd ([213.10.35.60]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HA5VSW00.14Q; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:34:08 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:34:17 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> FreeBSD: Homepage: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > Marco Beishuizen writes: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have two machines, one Intel (450mhz) and one Alpha (600mhz). Both are > > running FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE and WindowMaker as windowmanager. The Intel > > has a Matrox G400max and the Alpha has a Matrox G450. > > What kind of alpha? What sort of slot is graphics board in on the > alpha? On the pc? > > Drew The alpha is a PWS600au, it has a 21164 cpu. The Matrox sits in one 32 bits PCI slot. The Intel is a PIII/450, and the G400 sits in the AGP slot. Marco -- Nasrudin walked into a shop one day, and the owner came forward to serve him. Nasrudin said, "First things first. Did you see me walk into your shop?" "Of course." "Have you ever seen me before?" "Never." "Then how do you know it was me?" To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 12:41: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85ABD37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:41:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7664943FBF for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:41:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BKf38I001547 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:41:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1BKew030631; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:40:58 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:40:58 -0500 (EST) To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marco Beishuizen writes: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > > > > Marco Beishuizen writes: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have two machines, one Intel (450mhz) and one Alpha (600mhz). Both are > > > running FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE and WindowMaker as windowmanager. The Intel > > > has a Matrox G400max and the Alpha has a Matrox G450. > > > > What kind of alpha? What sort of slot is graphics board in on the > > alpha? On the pc? > > > > Drew > > The alpha is a PWS600au, it has a 21164 cpu. The Matrox sits in one 32 > bits PCI slot. The Intel is a PIII/450, and the G400 sits in the AGP slot. > OK, so the AGP slot probably has at least 500MB/sec DMA. But: All 32-bit slots on your alpha sit behind a pci-pci bridge chip, connecting to a main bus whose DMA characteristics are similar to: DMA rate for 8192 Byte pages (32bit / 33MHz bus) Timing 32 pages. bus_read (send) = 73 MBytes/s bus_write (recv) = 129 MBytes/s The PCI-PCI bridge slows this down even further. You might try setting the magic SRM console variable to allow putting the card into the 64-bit slot (see the alpha hardware notes that Wilo maintains). But it will still suck moderatly. FWIW, the AGP Permedia board in my UP1000 doesn't suck. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 12:54:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EB8937B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:54:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp10.wxs.nl (smtp10.wxs.nl [195.121.6.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDCC843FAF for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:54:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marco@beishuizen.info) Received: from tsunami.bsd (ipd50a233c.speed.planet.nl [213.10.35.60]) by smtp10.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 1 (built Aug 19 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HA500KSDWQ20L@smtp10.wxs.nl> for alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:54:03 +0100 (MET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:54:15 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-reply-to: <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT FreeBSD: Homepage: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > Marco Beishuizen writes: > > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > > > > > > > Marco Beishuizen writes: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have two machines, one Intel (450mhz) and one Alpha (600mhz). Both are > > > > running FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE and WindowMaker as windowmanager. The Intel > > > > has a Matrox G400max and the Alpha has a Matrox G450. > > > > > > What kind of alpha? What sort of slot is graphics board in on the > > > alpha? On the pc? > > > > > > Drew > > > > The alpha is a PWS600au, it has a 21164 cpu. The Matrox sits in one 32 > > bits PCI slot. The Intel is a PIII/450, and the G400 sits in the AGP slot. > > > > OK, so the AGP slot probably has at least 500MB/sec DMA. > > But: All 32-bit slots on your alpha sit behind a pci-pci bridge chip, > connecting to a main bus whose DMA characteristics are similar to: > > DMA rate for 8192 Byte pages (32bit / 33MHz bus) > Timing 32 pages. > bus_read (send) = 73 MBytes/s > bus_write (recv) = 129 MBytes/s > > > The PCI-PCI bridge slows this down even further. You might try > setting the magic SRM console variable to allow putting the card > into the 64-bit slot (see the alpha hardware notes that Wilo > maintains). But it will still suck moderatly. > > FWIW, the AGP Permedia board in my UP1000 doesn't suck. > > Drew I always thought that graphics performance was the strengh of the Alpha. But it seems to be the opposite. It's a lot slower than the Intel, but I don't think that it sucks so much that I should buy another graphics board. I guess I'll have to live with it. Marco -- "What are you doing?" "Examining the world's major religions. I'm looking for something that's light on morals, has lots of holidays, and with a short initiation period." To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 12:56:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E6137B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:56:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72CC943FBD for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:56:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fclift@verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F253D3BF125 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:56:13 -0700 (MST) Received: from vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net (vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.59]) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1BKuC338840 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:56:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:03:40 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler In-Reply-To: <20030211192910.86343.qmail@web13402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030211140121.M19793-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, [iso-8859-1] Pedro F. Giffuni wrote: > Perhaps the following link might motivate people to > get TenDRA working on FreeBSD-Alpha: > > http://www.tendra.org/~asmodai/compiled-apps.txt So you are saying there is a significant drive to move to tendra rather than gcc? Sure everyone gripes about gcc, but there are a LOT of gccisms in the code - it would be a major undertaking to mvoe to a new compiler. Would you care to lists the bennefits of doing this? Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 12:56:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C6037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C2F43F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:56:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BKuU8I003545 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1BKuPQ30649; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:56:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:56:25 -0500 (EST) To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marco Beishuizen writes: > > FWIW, the AGP Permedia board in my UP1000 doesn't suck. > > > > Drew > > I always thought that graphics performance was the strengh of the Alpha. > But it seems to be the opposite. > > It's a lot slower than the Intel, but I don't think that it sucks so > much that I should buy another graphics board. I guess I'll have to live > with it. Buying another graphics board would not help (unless it was a 64-bit board; which would suck less). To get an AGP board, you'd need an AGP slot, which would require buying a new alpha. You should at least try your Matrox in a 64-bit slot. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 13: 3:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6232137B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD40943F75 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:03:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BL3axg056662; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:03:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1BL3Zo3056661; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:03:35 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:03:35 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: Andrew Gallatin , FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? Message-ID: <20030211220335.A56640@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from marco@beishuizen.info on Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:54:15PM +0100 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:54:15PM +0100, Marco Beishuizen wrote: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > into the 64-bit slot (see the alpha hardware notes that Wilo > > maintains). But it will still suck moderatly. > > > > FWIW, the AGP Permedia board in my UP1000 doesn't suck. > > > > Drew > > I always thought that graphics performance was the strengh of the Alpha. > But it seems to be the opposite. The CPU is irrelevant if you don't have the bus bandwith to feed the framebuffer. > It's a lot slower than the Intel, but I don't think that it sucks so > much that I should buy another graphics board. I guess I'll have to live > with it. I guess so, as AGP equipped Alphas are rare. (Hmm... Marvel has AGP... ;-) -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 13: 7:40 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE6037B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:07:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp03.wxs.nl (smtp03.wxs.nl [195.121.6.37]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F2243F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marco@beishuizen.info) Received: from tsunami.bsd ([213.10.35.60]) by smtp03.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HA5XCE00.HSB; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:07:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:07:35 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> FreeBSD: Homepage: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > Marco Beishuizen writes: > > > FWIW, the AGP Permedia board in my UP1000 doesn't suck. > > > > > > Drew > > > > I always thought that graphics performance was the strengh of the Alpha. > > But it seems to be the opposite. > > > > It's a lot slower than the Intel, but I don't think that it sucks so > > much that I should buy another graphics board. I guess I'll have to live > > with it. > > Buying another graphics board would not help (unless it was a 64-bit > board; which would suck less). To get an AGP board, you'd need an AGP > slot, which would require buying a new alpha. > > You should at least try your Matrox in a 64-bit slot. > > Drew Originally the alpha had a PowerStorm sitting in the two 64 bit slots. Unfortunately that card isn't supported in XFree86. I'm curious how it performs. When I replaced the PowerStorm I did try the Matrox in the 64 bit slots but it didn't boot. It booted in the 32 bit slot, so I left it there. Marco -- If God had intended Man to Watch TV, He would have given him Rabbit Ears. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 13: 7:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EAB37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A331543F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:07:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [213.157.1.105] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.95 #31) id 18ihct-00032R-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:07:35 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 05551209; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:07:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (jan-linnb.lan [192.168.0.25]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 6AEB01DE; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:07:30 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? From: Jan Lentfer To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Marco Beishuizen , FreeBSD alpha mailing list In-Reply-To: <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 11 Feb 2003 22:07:28 +0100 Message-Id: <1044997649.695.7.camel@jan-linnb> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am Die, 2003-02-11 um 21.56 schrieb Andrew Gallatin: > > Marco Beishuizen writes: > > > FWIW, the AGP Permedia board in my UP1000 doesn't suck. > > > > > > Drew > > > > I always thought that graphics performance was the strengh of the Alpha. > > But it seems to be the opposite. > > > > It's a lot slower than the Intel, but I don't think that it sucks so > > much that I should buy another graphics board. I guess I'll have to live > > with it. > > Buying another graphics board would not help (unless it was a 64-bit > board; which would suck less). To get an AGP board, you'd need an AGP > slot, which would require buying a new alpha. > > You should at least try your Matrox in a 64-bit slot. Hi, I can only tell from my experience with Linux on a PWS 500a. I just recently bought a ATI Radeon 7200, PCI, 32MB. With that card and XFree86 >= 4.1 you get DRI even without AGP. I tried to run it in 64bit and 32bit slots and did some testing with glxgears. It didn't make a difference what slot I used, I always got around 270 frames/sec. Playing bzflag gives me between 20-40 frames, depends on how many obstacles / tanks are around but I didn't test if the 64bit slot makes a difference here. I think ATI Radeon is the only chipset you can get DRI with PCI, maybe you should look out for one of those. hth, Jan -- Jan Lentfer System Administrator Molecular Cell Biology / AG Holstein, Darmstadt University of Technology, Schnittspahnstr. 10, 64287 Darmstadt, Germany To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 13:11:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F6E37B405 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9872E43FEA for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:11:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BLBE8I004639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:11:14 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1BLB9m30673; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:11:09 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.26349.357142.151047@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:11:09 -0500 (EST) To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marco Beishuizen writes: > > When I replaced the PowerStorm I did try the Matrox in the 64 bit slots > but it didn't boot. It booted in the 32 bit slot, so I left it there. > Search for "set pci_device_override" at http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/hardware-alpha.html Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 13:19:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1390A37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp05.wxs.nl (smtp05.wxs.nl [195.121.6.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4EC43FBF for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:19:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marco@beishuizen.info) Received: from tsunami.bsd ([213.10.35.60]) by smtp05.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HA5XY000.SUA; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:20:24 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:19:31 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: <15945.26349.357142.151047@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.26349.357142.151047@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> FreeBSD: Homepage: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > Marco Beishuizen writes: > > > > When I replaced the PowerStorm I did try the Matrox in the 64 bit slots > > but it didn't boot. It booted in the 32 bit slot, so I left it there. > > > > Search for "set pci_device_override" at > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/hardware-alpha.html > > Drew Yes, but there is a warning that my data could 'mysteriously get mangled' when using that. I'm not sure if that is a good idea. Marco -- APL is a mistake, carried through to perfection. It is the language of the future for the problems of the past: it creates a new generation of coding bums. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 13:22: 4 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CD8837B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:22:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE6FA43F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:22:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fclift@verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 521B53BF1EC for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:22:00 -0700 (MST) Received: from vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net (vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.59]) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1BLLx345935; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:21:59 -0700 (MST) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:29:27 -0700 (MST) From: Fred Clift X-X-Sender: To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: Andrew Gallatin , FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030211142815.F19793-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Marco Beishuizen wrote: > > Yes, but there is a warning that my data could 'mysteriously get mangled' > when using that. I'm not sure if that is a good idea. > I'd be worried to put a scsi controller that did writes to important disks there, but a graphics card? if a dma transfer gets mangled, then my screen looks funny and I know that I should shut down and move the card... I can't see what harm putting a graphics card in there would do. I _could_ be wrong though :) Fred -- Fred Clift - fclift@verio.net -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 13:31: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BEE537B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A27B43F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:31:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BLV58I006585 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:31:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1BLV0s30698; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:31:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.27540.655333.324376@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:31:00 -0500 (EST) To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.26349.357142.151047@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marco Beishuizen writes: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > > > > Marco Beishuizen writes: > > > > > > When I replaced the PowerStorm I did try the Matrox in the 64 bit slots > > > but it didn't boot. It booted in the 32 bit slot, so I left it there. > > > > > > > Search for "set pci_device_override" at > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/hardware-alpha.html > > > > Drew > > Yes, but there is a warning that my data could 'mysteriously get mangled' > when using that. I'm not sure if that is a good idea. > The bug in question occurrs when DMAing across a page boundary. In my experience, this bug causes the machine to lock solid, not to exhibit corruption. Like Fred said, its a graphics controller not a scsi adapter. Give it a shot. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 13:44:43 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFEA637B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:44:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail2.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9AD43F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:44:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alcanet.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.4/Alcanet1.3) with ESMTP id h1BLicFx015734; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:39 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2003021208443693:12735 ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:36 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BLiaIs044815; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:36 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BLiZOj044814; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:35 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:44:35 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030211214435.GI1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Marcel Moolenaar , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <15945.1278.292937.743702@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030211192217.GD2881@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20030211192217.GD2881@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/02/2003 08:44:36 AM, Serialize by Router on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/02/2003 08:44:39 AM, Serialize complete at 12/02/2003 08:44:39 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-Feb-11 11:22:17 -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:13:18AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: >> >> > Am I right when I say that Compaq's compiler cannot be used to >> > compile the kernel? >> >> Yes. This is mainly due to lazyness on our part. The Compaq compiler >> does not support gcc asm syntanx, so making it compile the kernel >> would largely be a matter of converting inline asm (as well as >> stepping over other hurdles common to non-gnu compilers). > >Ok. This mostly applies to OW as well I guess. It's also not specific >to alpha, so it would be nice if we could come up with a good way to >replace and avoid inline assembly in general without negative side- >effects like duplication, performance hits and the likes... Note that Andrew said "convert" not "replace and avoid". The Compaq compiler _does_ support inline assembler, it just has to be explicitly enabled and uses a different syntax. asm() needs to be treated more like a function call - the arguments are found in the standard function arg registers (%aX) and it returns %v0. I don't know if CCC treats these as virtual registers that it can re-write to better suit data flow or as hard-coded registers. The gcc inline syntax is definitely more powerful but unless we have inlines that return multiple values, we can probably write alternative inlines in CCC syntax. (Of course this will generate lots of compiler- dependent #if/#else/#endif code). I don't know what the OW support for inline assember is. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 14: 2:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C243637B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:02:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from imul.math.uni.lodz.pl (imul.math.uni.lodz.pl [212.191.65.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B9F43F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:02:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mg@fork.pl) Received: from fork.pl (imul.math.uni.lodz.pl [212.191.65.2]) by imul.math.uni.lodz.pl (Mail Transport Agent) with ESMTP id 650911F18 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:58:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E4972B9.5060102@fork.pl> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:01:29 +0100 From: Marcin Gryszkalis Organization: fork.pl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <15945.1278.292937.743702@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030211192217.GD2881@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030211214435.GI1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20030211214435.GI1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > I don't know what the OW support for inline assember is. There's Watcom FAQ made by Paul Hsieh, go to http://www.azillionmonkeys.com/qed/watfaq.shtml#27 for more information on inline assembly in watcom. In short, it's usually (always?) function-based mode but you can specify which registers are parameters, which are modified (so the compiler know) and which is return value. eg. void DWORDCopy(long *Source, long *Destination, int Length); #pragma aux DWORDCopy = " rep movsd " parm [ESI] [EDI] [ECX] modify [ESI EDI ECX]; or double RDTSC(void); #pragma aux RDTSC = " .586 " \ " rdtsc " \ " push edx " \ " push eax " \ " fild qword [esp] " \ " pop eax " \ " pop edx " \ modify [eax edx] value [8087]; (I have no idea what it does, just copy-n-paste :) ) -- Marcin Gryszkalis http://fork.pl <>< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 14: 5:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2219937B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:05:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from imul.math.uni.lodz.pl (imul.math.uni.lodz.pl [212.191.65.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7610C43FA3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:05:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mg@fork.pl) Received: from fork.pl (imul.math.uni.lodz.pl [212.191.65.2]) by imul.math.uni.lodz.pl (Mail Transport Agent) with ESMTP id B04171F18 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:01:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E49736B.6010500@fork.pl> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:04:27 +0100 From: Marcin Gryszkalis Organization: fork.pl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <15945.1278.292937.743702@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030211192217.GD2881@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030211214435.GI1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> <3E4972B9.5060102@fork.pl> In-Reply-To: <3E4972B9.5060102@fork.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > In short, it's usually (always?) function-based mode Sorry, I just read the whole section of faq - it states: Starting with version 11.0 WATCOM C/C++ supports the "_asm" language extension, purely as a compatibility feature as most other PC based C compilers use it. WATCOM still recommends the use of the #pragma aux method since it gives you and the compiler far more control. Refer to the online documentation. -- Marcin Gryszkalis http://fork.pl <>< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 14: 7:16 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25BE37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:07:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F3343F85 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:07:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BM758I009759 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:07:05 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1BM70T30741; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:07:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15945.29700.365499.788396@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:07:00 -0500 (EST) To: Peter Jeremy Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler In-Reply-To: <20030211214435.GI1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <15945.1278.292937.743702@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030211192217.GD2881@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030211214435.GI1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Peter Jeremy writes: > On 2003-Feb-11 11:22:17 -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > >On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:13:18AM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > >> > >> > Am I right when I say that Compaq's compiler cannot be used to > >> > compile the kernel? > >> > >> Yes. This is mainly due to lazyness on our part. The Compaq compiler > >> does not support gcc asm syntanx, so making it compile the kernel > >> would largely be a matter of converting inline asm (as well as > >> stepping over other hurdles common to non-gnu compilers). > > > >Ok. This mostly applies to OW as well I guess. It's also not specific > >to alpha, so it would be nice if we could come up with a good way to > >replace and avoid inline assembly in general without negative side- > >effects like duplication, performance hits and the likes... > > Note that Andrew said "convert" not "replace and avoid". The Compaq > compiler _does_ support inline assembler, it just has to be explicitly > enabled and uses a different syntax. asm() needs to be treated more > like a function call - the arguments are found in the standard > function arg registers (%aX) and it returns %v0. I don't know if > CCC treats these as virtual registers that it can re-write to better > suit data flow or as hard-coded registers. > > The gcc inline syntax is definitely more powerful but unless we have > inlines that return multiple values, we can probably write alternative > inlines in CCC syntax. (Of course this will generate lots of compiler- > dependent #if/#else/#endif code). > If somebody is interested in doing the work, the ccc compiler contains a reasonable explanation of how its asm syntax works in the file c_asm.h Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 14:16:36 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EF837B405 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:16:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E089643FB1 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:16:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 32E83536E; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:16:31 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Jan Lentfer Cc: Andrew Gallatin , Marco Beishuizen , FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:16:30 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1044997649.695.7.camel@jan-linnb> (Jan Lentfer's message of "11 Feb 2003 22:07:28 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1044997649.695.7.camel@jan-linnb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer writes: > I think ATI Radeon is the only chipset you can get DRI with PCI, maybe > you should look out for one of those. The FreeBSD DRM modules don't support PCI cards - and anyway they don't run on Alpha, though I'm sure that would change if someone happened to throw a spare Alpha (preferably with an AGP slot) in Eric Anholt's direction. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 14:29: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F8BA37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:29:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail2.alcanet.com.au [203.62.196.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296F643F93 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:29:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alcanet.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.4/Alcanet1.3) with ESMTP id h1BMT4Fx018993; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:29:05 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2003021209290373:13201 ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:29:03 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1BMT3Is044997; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:29:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1BMT38I044996; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:29:03 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:29:03 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? Message-ID: <20030211222903.GK1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , FreeBSD alpha mailing list References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1044997649.695.7.camel@jan-linnb> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/02/2003 09:29:03 AM, Serialize by Router on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 12/02/2003 09:29:05 AM, Serialize complete at 12/02/2003 09:29:05 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-Feb-11 23:16:30 +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: >The FreeBSD DRM modules don't support PCI cards - and anyway they >don't run on Alpha, though I'm sure that would change if someone >happened to throw a spare Alpha (preferably with an AGP slot) in Eric >Anholt's direction. This is already on the "wanted" list - though I'm fairly certain it wasn't Eric who put it there. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 14:38:19 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048CC37B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp09.wxs.nl (smtp09.wxs.nl [195.121.6.38]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AFE943F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:38:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marco@beishuizen.info) Received: from tsunami.bsd ([213.10.35.60]) by smtp09.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HA61J901.TZC; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:37:57 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:38:14 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: <15945.27540.655333.324376@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.26349.357142.151047@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.27540.655333.324376@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> FreeBSD: Homepage: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > > Search for "set pci_device_override" at > > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/hardware-alpha.html > > The bug in question occurrs when DMAing across a page boundary. > In my experience, this bug causes the machine to lock solid, not to > exhibit corruption. > > Like Fred said, its a graphics controller not a scsi adapter. Give it > a shot. Well, the Matrox is in a 64 bit slot now, and I have to say it's a big improvement! I did a 'set pci_device_override -1' in the console, and graphics performance in acrobat and gimp is a lot faster now. Thank you all for the tips. Marco -- Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 15:24:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC8837B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:24:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132CD43F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:24:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BNOd1o018397 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@ns1.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1BNOdPq018396 for alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:24:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:24:39 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030211232439.GC18238@ns1.xcllnt.net> References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <15945.1278.292937.743702@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030211192217.GD2881@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030211214435.GI1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030211214435.GI1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 08:44:35AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > Note that Andrew said "convert" not "replace and avoid". I know. I'd like us to stop using inline assembly gratuitously. On the ia64 platform we have C functions of which the body is 99% assembly. This doesn't make sense really and tends to be less optimal (and less readable) than pure assembly. Another reason is that optimizers generally pessimize when inline assembly is present. On ia64 this is especially true due to the dependency constraints. There's no compiler (AFAICT) that truely knows about all the dependencies. Ok, sometimes inline assembly is the only good solution. In that case it's acceptable to pay for the burden of having multiple implementations and/or other complexities. But I don't think that a 1:1 conversion is beneficial. > I don't know what the OW support for inline assember is. I think it's mostly incompatible. I haven't used it much, because I tend to create an assembly file, but it's definitely something I'll dig into. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 15:30:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7F737B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:30:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B920B43F3F for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:30:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0132.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.132] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ijr3-0001jL-00; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:30:22 -0800 Message-ID: <3E498737.22D2187A@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:28:55 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Clift Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211140121.M19793-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4a09d3a1bb1dd98cacfccab41a1ce8b5f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Fred Clift wrote: > So you are saying there is a significant drive to move to tendra rather > than gcc? > > Sure everyone gripes about gcc, but there are a LOT of gccisms in the code > - it would be a major undertaking to mvoe to a new compiler. > > Would you care to lists the bennefits of doing this? #1: It will shut up the gripes about GCC (everyone) #2: It will shut up the gripes about the GPL (mostly commercial interests) #3: It will make it easier to port FreeBSD to a new platform, where GCC is not currently supported: A: No need to become the GCC maintainer for that platform, and be license-bound to provide an FTP archive for a year and a half B: No need to chase bugs, not knowing if it's the OS or the compiler that's at fault, only to find out later that it's the compiler. #4: It will enable the use of compilers which generate better code for a given platform than GCC could ever hope to generate in the next 10 years (e.g. Compaq CC for Alpha, ICC for Intel Pentium 4 and IA64 architectures, SunSoft compiler for SPARC) #5: It will end threads like this one in the mailing lists -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Feb 11 16:31: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCF637B401 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [193.197.184.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5244F43FA3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with gbsmtp id 18ikng-0000fS-09; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:30:56 +0100 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1BNZNPD060054 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:35:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1BNZNMV060053 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:35:23 +0100 (CET) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: gnupg on alpha? Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:35:22 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20030211170427.GB14706@cicely9.cicely.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > I've just successfully compiled and tested on a -current PC164. So I'd appreciate if somebody could explain what I'm seeing here ("bla" contains an email message encrypted with my public key): FreeBSD-CURRENT/alpha: ---------------> naddy@kemoauc[~] gpg -d bla gpg: WARNING: using insecure memory! gpg: please see http://www.gnupg.org/faq.html for more information gpg: encrypted with ELG-E key, ID DDD7442A gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available <--------------- OpenBSD/i386: ---------------> naddy@harno[~] gpg -d bla gpg: WARNING: using insecure memory! gpg: please see http://www.gnupg.org/faq.html for more information You need a passphrase to unlock the secret key for user: "Christian Weisgerber " 1024-bit ELG-E key, ID DDD7442A, created 2001-07-26 (main key ID 9CD5E3F8) Enter passphrase: [...] <--------------- GnuPG 1.2.1 in both cases. I just copied my .gnupg/ over to the i386 box and it works there, so I don't see how it can be a configuration issue. I don't have a FreeBSD/i386 machine at hand. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 0: 3:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E18F37B405 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:03:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from trillian.santala.org (ip212-226-173-33.adsl.kpnqwest.fi [212.226.173.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 38CC643FBF for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:03:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jake@iki.fi) Received: (qmail 31759 invoked by uid 11053); 12 Feb 2003 08:03:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Feb 2003 08:03:11 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:03:11 +0200 (EET) From: Jarkko Santala X-X-Sender: jake@trillian.santala.org To: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030212095746.M372-100000@trillian.santala.org> References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Marco Beishuizen wrote: > I always thought that graphics performance was the strengh of the Alpha. > But it seems to be the opposite. Doesn't all this also depend on the software in question, how well it has been optimized for a certain platform? For example, encoding mpeg4 with mplayer's mencoder on my PC164 EV56 500MHz does ~2fps, same framerate I had with a PentiumII 333MHz (or was it 233MHz). 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 0:34:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A087137B405 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:34:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1524E43FCB for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:34:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1C8YIUc088837 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:34:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely9.cicely.de (cicely9.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:210:5aff:fe30:1c1a]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1C8YHFO067133 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:34:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely9.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely9.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1C8YGXW017550; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:34:16 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely9.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1C8YFWr017549; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:34:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:34:14 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Jarkko Santala Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? Message-ID: <20030212083413.GI14706@cicely9.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030212095746.M372-100000@trillian.santala.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030212095746.M372-100000@trillian.santala.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely9.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 10:03:11AM +0200, Jarkko Santala wrote: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Marco Beishuizen wrote: > > > I always thought that graphics performance was the strengh of the Alpha. > > But it seems to be the opposite. > > Doesn't all this also depend on the software in question, how well it has > been optimized for a certain platform? > > For example, encoding mpeg4 with mplayer's mencoder on my PC164 EV56 > 500MHz does ~2fps, same framerate I had with a PentiumII 333MHz (or > was it 233MHz). Duron 900 with slow SiS chipset and PC133 RAM can do > ~20fps or more. One point is that a PC164 is several years older than a PII. x86 systems were just happy to cache more than 64M RAM that time with a total of 256M, while the PC164 could hold and cache 512M. Another one is that mplayer has x86 optimized assembly code but none for alpha. Finally it very much depends on the compiler quality and options. Compile mplayer with a gcc 3.x plus the right parameters and you will see a higher frame rate. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 0:47:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0774E37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:47:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09ABE43FA3 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:47:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1C8lXRj098821; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1C8kH2J098804; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:46:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:46:17 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Marcel Moolenaar , alpha@FreeBSD.org References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:33:53PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I'm thinking about porting the Open Watcom compiler to FreeBSD. I > expect the code generator to be better than gcc, but don't know > yet how it compares to Compaq's compiler. Surely the Compaq compiler's optimizer will be better. Why waste the energy porting Open Watcom, rather than fix all the GCC'isms in /sys that prevent the use of the Compaq compiler? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 1:25:34 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D81E837B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:25:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176B543F93 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:25:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1C9PW1o020720 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:25:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@ns1.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1C9PWlW020719 for alpha@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:25:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:25:32 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030212092532.GA20618@ns1.xcllnt.net> References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 12:46:17AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:33:53PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > I'm thinking about porting the Open Watcom compiler to FreeBSD. I > > expect the code generator to be better than gcc, but don't know > > yet how it compares to Compaq's compiler. > > Surely the Compaq compiler's optimizer will be better. I don't know. I'd like to see some data on that. > Why waste the > energy porting Open Watcom, rather than fix all the GCC'isms in /sys that > prevent the use of the Compaq compiler? Porting OW will not be a waste of my time. Fixing the gcc'isms will. The former I do out of interest, the latter will only be something I could possibly do because nobody else has an interest in doing it (so far). -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 1:28:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 306E837B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:28:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7F743F3F for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:28:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0043.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.43] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18itCD-00053I-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:28:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4A137E.72B1DEB0@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:27:26 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a421b483a1c6c2039d24683f1a46e12f49667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:33:53PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > I'm thinking about porting the Open Watcom compiler to FreeBSD. I > > expect the code generator to be better than gcc, but don't know > > yet how it compares to Compaq's compiler. > > Surely the Compaq compiler's optimizer will be better. Why waste the > energy porting Open Watcom, rather than fix all the GCC'isms in /sys that > prevent the use of the Compaq compiler? Won't porting to the Open Watcom compiler result in the same things being fixed, with the additional advantage that the compiler can be made native for FreeBSD, rather than running under Linux emulation, and it can target multiple platforms, not just Alpha? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 1:42:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EEE37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D7743F75 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:42:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0043.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.43] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18itPN-0006Ed-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:42:25 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4A16AB.1346163E@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:40:59 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030212092532.GA20618@ns1.xcllnt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a421b483a1c6c2039dd16a0f70009c8878548b785378294e88350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > Porting OW will not be a waste of my time. Fixing the gcc'isms will. > The former I do out of interest, the latter will only be something > I could possibly do because nobody else has an interest in doing > it (so far). If you were to make the compiler run native on FreeBSD x86 as a result of a "cd /usr/ports/tools/xxx; make all install", I would be willing to go through and fix *all* the "GCC'isms" in a "make world" (ports gets to be someone else's problem), assuming the Watcom compiler supports the more equivalent of "linker sets" for data (e.g. for SYSINIT). You will also need to support alignment and structure packing primitives, so device driver code does not have to be rewritten as pure assembly. Getting the changes committed to FreeBSD would be your problem, but from my point of view, fixing those kinds of problems is trivial, and I'm willing to do the "trained monkey" work of doing it, if there's a compiler there. I haven't done this with TenDRA, because TenDRA has an overzealous preprocessor, and doesn't support inline assembly or linker sets adequately. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 1:53:32 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D5537B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c18609.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [210.49.80.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F89E43F3F for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 01:53:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1]) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1C9rRLZ053869; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:53:27 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from jeremyp@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (8.12.6/8.12.5/Submit) id h1C9rPSO053868; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:53:25 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:53:25 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Cc: "Chris J. Mutter" Subject: Re: Q: GDT6513RS/GDT4513RZ and FreeBSD/4.7R? Message-ID: <20030212095325.GB53497@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <200302091639.h19Gdcb0006186@satanii.enemy.org> <20030209184000.GA61494@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030209184000.GA61494@dragon.nuxi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 10:40:00AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote: >On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 05:39:38PM +0100, Chris J. Mutter wrote: >> is it possible to setup the RAID hostdrive from within the same alpha- >> box or do i have to put the thing into a PC/i386 and then put it back >> into the alpha? > >Unless I've totally misuderstood things, with an mlx(4) card you can do >it from SRM. With other cards you'll have to set them up on a PC/i386 >first. Note that not all of FreeBSD RAID drivers will work on >non-PC/i386 machines -- asr(4) is an example of this. At work, I have a large number of AS4100's with KZPAC's (re-badged Mylex DAC960's) in them and I can heartily recommend avoiding them at all costs. The SRM does understand booting from them but you can't directly configure them from the SRM. To configure them, you start AlphaBIOS and run a "RAID Configuration Utility" (ra200rcu) from a floppy (part of the RAIDarray230 package). The only marginally good news is that there is a variant for use with a VTxxx-compatible terminal on a serial port (ra200srl) [of course, you've got to remember the control keys that replace F1-F12]. BTW, AlphaBIOS and ra200srl uses 8-bit control sequences which aren't supported by syscons(4), though it works ok in an X11R6 xterm (eg XFree86) [it doesn't work with the X11R5 xterm in Tru64 4.0x]. Other problem with the KZPACs is that if a disk fails (or even glitches), the controller locks it out in NVRAM (ie a reboot or power cycle after replacing the disk won't do) and you need to run a management utility to recover it. In Tru64, this is 'swxcrmgr' (which only exists in a X-client version - there is no way to manage the drives from the command line). mlxcontrol(8) goes partway there (and at least it is a command line utility) but doesn't include commands to re-enable a failed disk. Note that you can't create a logical volume larger than 32GB (the RCU will let you but the controller wraps block addresses at 26 bits) and disks larger than 9GB aren't officially supported (though 18GB and 36GB disks work, subject to the logical volume limit). BTW, if I haven't managed to discourage you yet, since you've got an AS1000, there's also an EISA variant - I think it's a KZPSA. My recommendation is that you get a normal SCSI controller and use vinum(4) if you need RAID. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 2: 5:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4D3137B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C51443FAF for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:05:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [213.157.11.55] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.95 #31) id 18itlN-00050t-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:05:09 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 34A22154; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:05:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (neslonek.bio.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.207.147]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 030B0132; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:05:03 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler From: Jan Lentfer To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: Marcel Moolenaar In-Reply-To: <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 12 Feb 2003 11:06:30 +0100 Message-Id: <1045044390.2958.3.camel@neslonek> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 09:46, David O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:33:53PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > I'm thinking about porting the Open Watcom compiler to FreeBSD. I > > expect the code generator to be better than gcc, but don't know > > yet how it compares to Compaq's compiler. > > Surely the Compaq compiler's optimizer will be better. Why waste the > energy porting Open Watcom, rather than fix all the GCC'isms in /sys that > prevent the use of the Compaq compiler? What about the legal issues? If I build FreeBSD with the ccc and use it in an production environment, I would need more then a hobbyist license, wouldn't I? Jan -- Jan Lentfer System Administrator Molekulare Zellbiologie / AG Holstein, TU Darmstadt, Schnittspahnstr. 10, 64287 Darmstadt To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 2:19:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D2037B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:19:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net (heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C9643FCB for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:19:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0043.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.43] helo=mindspring.com) by heron.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18itzT-0001Pq-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:19:44 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4A1F63.678B2069@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 02:18:11 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Lentfer Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <1045044390.2958.3.camel@neslonek> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a488a9b097d8840861b5372ffa21df0505350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jan Lentfer wrote: > On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 09:46, David O'Brien wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:33:53PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > I'm thinking about porting the Open Watcom compiler to FreeBSD. I > > > expect the code generator to be better than gcc, but don't know > > > yet how it compares to Compaq's compiler. > > > > Surely the Compaq compiler's optimizer will be better. Why waste the > > energy porting Open Watcom, rather than fix all the GCC'isms in /sys that > > prevent the use of the Compaq compiler? > > What about the legal issues? If I build FreeBSD with the ccc and use it > in an production environment, I would need more then a hobbyist license, > wouldn't I? Only if you compiled crap with CCC to run on that FreeBSD. There's nothing in the CCC license that really prevents hobbiests compiling the OS itself, and then you using the results of a hobbiest effort in a production environment. One thing that's always surprised me, though I guess if you do the multiple stage thing, it shouldn't, is why people don't compile gcc with CCC to make the gcc binary run faster. Even if compiling gcc again with gcc would slow the thing back down... -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 3:17:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6524E37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:17:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A11F43FCB for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:17:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.201]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1CBHL1o021438; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:17:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1CBHL2F036949; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:17:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1CBHKEM036916; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:17:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:17:19 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030212111719.GA23742@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030212092532.GA20618@ns1.xcllnt.net> <3E4A16AB.1346163E@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E4A16AB.1346163E@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 01:40:59AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > Porting OW will not be a waste of my time. Fixing the gcc'isms will. > > The former I do out of interest, the latter will only be something > > I could possibly do because nobody else has an interest in doing > > it (so far). > > If you were to make the compiler run native on FreeBSD x86 as a > result of a "cd /usr/ports/tools/xxx; make all install", I would That's my intention. I don't know yet how easy or complex the bootstrap will be so I have to be careful with promises. > be willing to go through and fix *all* the "GCC'isms" in a "make > world" (ports gets to be someone else's problem), assuming the > Watcom compiler supports the more equivalent of "linker sets" for > data (e.g. for SYSINIT). Fair enough. I think it's reasonable to flag certain things as compiler must-haves and see if the compiler guys buy into it. > You will also need to support alignment > and structure packing primitives, so device driver code does not > have to be rewritten as pure assembly. IIRC packing is already present and I expect alignment to be there as well, but cannot recall if I used it before. > Getting the changes committed to FreeBSD would be your problem, but > from my point of view, fixing those kinds of problems is trivial, > and I'm willing to do the "trained monkey" work of doing it, if > there's a compiler there. Sounds good. I guess the port is step 1... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 3:38:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932BB37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:38:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC6143FAF for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:38:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0043.cvx40-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([216.244.42.43] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18ivDm-0006lr-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:38:35 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4A31A7.90FEFF83@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 03:36:07 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030212092532.GA20618@ns1.xcllnt.net> <3E4A16AB.1346163E@mindspring.com> <20030212111719.GA23742@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a477562afbd8c266d6ee813fc99c261f7ca7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > If you were to make the compiler run native on FreeBSD x86 as a > > result of a "cd /usr/ports/tools/xxx; make all install", I would > > That's my intention. I don't know yet how easy or complex the > bootstrap will be so I have to be careful with promises. Careful! This is the Alpha mailing list! I said I was willing to scratch an x86 box. I'm not willing to scratch my one Alpha box. Just making sure you are aware of what I'm willing to offer. If you need it done for Alpha, and can get someone to make an ssh into one available, such that I can do build worlds, I'm willing to do Alpha, but I don't have local resources for this type of experiment with an Alpha. I expect both will be needed, eventually, and I'm willing to do Alpha, too under that condition (or even Alpha first). > Fair enough. I think it's reasonable to flag certain things as > compiler must-haves and see if the compiler guys buy into it. > > > You will also need to support alignment > > and structure packing primitives, so device driver code does not > > have to be rewritten as pure assembly. > > IIRC packing is already present and I expect alignment to be > there as well, but cannot recall if I used it before. I expect that it will "fall out", automatically. If the thing supports "#pragma pack(1)", I can always use that, and manually add spare fields and deal with byte arrays myself by overdeclaring and manual pointer fixup, even though that's kind of a kludge. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 8: 0:55 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF1B37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:00:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from imul.math.uni.lodz.pl (imul.math.uni.lodz.pl [212.191.65.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A7B43FB1 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:00:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mg@fork.pl) Received: from fork.pl (imul.math.uni.lodz.pl [212.191.65.2]) by imul.math.uni.lodz.pl (Mail Transport Agent) with ESMTP id 8C0991F47; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:57:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3E4A6FB8.5070408@fork.pl> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:00:56 +0100 From: Marcin Gryszkalis Organization: fork.pl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030208 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar Cc: Terry Lambert , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030212092532.GA20618@ns1.xcllnt.net> <3E4A16AB.1346163E@mindspring.com> <20030212111719.GA23742@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> In-Reply-To: <20030212111719.GA23742@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marcel Moolenaar wrote: >>You will also need to support alignment >>and structure packing primitives, so device driver code does not >>have to be rewritten as pure assembly. > IIRC packing is already present and I expect alignment to be > there as well, but cannot recall if I used it before. from compiler options: -zp[{1,2,4,8,16}] set minimal structure packing (member alignment) -- Marcin Gryszkalis http://fork.pl <>< To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 12:54:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 327EF37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:54:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678C743FA3 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:54:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (athlon.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.3]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1CKsu1o023647; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@piii.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: from athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1CKsuo5000586; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by athlon.pn.xcllnt.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1CKsuKN000585; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:54:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:54:56 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030212205456.GB540@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <20030212092532.GA20618@ns1.xcllnt.net> <3E4A16AB.1346163E@mindspring.com> <20030212111719.GA23742@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> <3E4A31A7.90FEFF83@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E4A31A7.90FEFF83@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:36:07AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > If you were to make the compiler run native on FreeBSD x86 as a > > > result of a "cd /usr/ports/tools/xxx; make all install", I would > > > > That's my intention. I don't know yet how easy or complex the > > bootstrap will be so I have to be careful with promises. > > Careful! This is the Alpha mailing list! I said I was willing > to scratch an x86 box. I'm not willing to scratch my one Alpha > box. Just making sure you are aware of what I'm willing to > offer. I did understand. I'll use my alpha. Net boot with NFS root makes a developer's life good :-) -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 19: 9: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1327B37B401 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:09:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B2E43FB1 for ; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1D391Rj042807; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:09:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1D37j6X042802; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:07:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:07:45 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Terry Lambert Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler Message-ID: <20030213030745.GA42635@dragon.nuxi.com> Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Mail-Followup-To: David O'Brien , Terry Lambert , alpha@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <3E4A137E.72B1DEB0@mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3E4A137E.72B1DEB0@mindspring.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 01:27:26AM -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > David O'Brien wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 04:33:53PM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > > > I'm thinking about porting the Open Watcom compiler to FreeBSD. I > > > expect the code generator to be better than gcc, but don't know > > > yet how it compares to Compaq's compiler. > > > > Surely the Compaq compiler's optimizer will be better. Why waste the > > energy porting Open Watcom, rather than fix all the GCC'isms in /sys that > > prevent the use of the Compaq compiler? > > Won't porting to the Open Watcom compiler result in the same things > being fixed, with the additional advantage that the compiler can > be made native for FreeBSD, rather than running under Linux > emulation, and it can target multiple platforms, not just Alpha? *shrug* We've had alternate compilers for a long time -- TenDRA, Compaq Alpha compiler, Intel C compiler. Yet no one has ever removed the GCC'isms. What is so special about the existance of yet another alternate compiler? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 19:48:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C06B37B401; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF2F43F3F; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0418.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.163] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18jAMj-0003vt-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:48:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4B154F.1AF998DA@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:47:27 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <3E4A137E.72B1DEB0@mindspring.com> <20030213030745.GA42635@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4ee35f20eada5050dba7efd931636b0de667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > Won't porting to the Open Watcom compiler result in the same things > > being fixed, with the additional advantage that the compiler can > > be made native for FreeBSD, rather than running under Linux > > emulation, and it can target multiple platforms, not just Alpha? > > *shrug* We've had alternate compilers for a long time -- TenDRA, Compaq > Alpha compiler, Intel C compiler. Yet no one has ever removed the > GCC'isms. What is so special about the existance of yet another > alternate compiler? This one is closer to the feature set that's needed for compiling FreeBSD self-hosted, and the source code's available? Someone's willing to fill in the missing pieces of the compiler? -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Wed Feb 12 19:48:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C06B37B401; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:48:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF2F43F3F; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0418.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.163] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18jAMj-0003vt-00; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:48:50 -0800 Message-ID: <3E4B154F.1AF998DA@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:47:27 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org, Marcel Moolenaar Subject: Re: Open Watcom compiler References: <20030211003353.GA12187@athlon.pn.xcllnt.net> <20030212084617.GA98667@dragon.nuxi.com> <3E4A137E.72B1DEB0@mindspring.com> <20030213030745.GA42635@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4ee35f20eada5050dba7efd931636b0de667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David O'Brien wrote: > > Won't porting to the Open Watcom compiler result in the same things > > being fixed, with the additional advantage that the compiler can > > be made native for FreeBSD, rather than running under Linux > > emulation, and it can target multiple platforms, not just Alpha? > > *shrug* We've had alternate compilers for a long time -- TenDRA, Compaq > Alpha compiler, Intel C compiler. Yet no one has ever removed the > GCC'isms. What is so special about the existance of yet another > alternate compiler? This one is closer to the feature set that's needed for compiling FreeBSD self-hosted, and the source code's available? 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To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 3:10:26 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573CB37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:10:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (warrior.services.quay.plus.net [212.159.14.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7836F43FB1 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 03:10:19 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Trader.Alerts@verizon.net) Received: (qmail 5095 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2003 10:25:52 -0000 Received: from walkersnonsuch.plus.com (HELO mailhost.walkers-nonsuch.co.uk) (212.159.28.221) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2003 10:25:52 -0000 Received: from 67.234.73.39 (1Cust39.tnt28.dfw9.da.uu.net [67.234.73.39]) by mailhost.walkers-nonsuch.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 1Z14VVP6; Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:16:25 -0000 Message-ID: <0000777a02b8$00000410$0000089e@> To: From: "Alert Service" Subject: WAIV Soaring on More Positive News. Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:20:08 -1800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Reply-To: Trader.Alerts@verizon.net X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Sensitivity: Personal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org SPECIAL ALERT
        =             &= nbsp;    Feb. 2003 Edition  - Featuring CNN Mon= ey and Reuters
<= /tr>
Each month Wall Street Monthly analysts study, re= search, and examine hundreds of NASDAQ stocks, in an effort to pinpoint th= e one with the most promise.

Th= is month's pick : World Associates Inc.

Symbol: WAIV

Current Price: $0.15

Opinion: Str= ong Buy

Mortgage rat= es have dipped to levels not seen since 1965 and stock markets are in a th= ree-year swoon. This has fueled home buying and building, making the secto= r one of the rare bright spots in a slumping U.S. economy. Mor= e.....

  The Housing Market is= Red Hot ! Construction spending rose 0.3% in November, helped by record a= ctivity in the red-hot housing market, the government reported.  = ;  More.....

  The median price of new and existin= g homes sold in San Bernardino County during November skyrocketed 18.2 per= cent from a year earlier.    More.....<= /P>

The results are in. Last year was another record-setting year for= real estate thanks to an economy with low interest rates.  &nbs= p; More.....

Re= cent News:

 Highlights of Current and Future Success:

 - Rec= ently acquired more than $10 M in real estate assets

 - Projected sales of $100,000,000 over four years

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> - More than $5M in earnings projected for eac= h of 2003 and 2004

 -  Real estat= e may provide assets that allow for a listing on a major exchange

<= p class=3DMsoNormal> - Incorporating environmentally friendly and = sustainable technologies

<= b>WAIV Aims High, Determined To Succ= eed:

World is extending th= e real estate concept of "highest and best use" to include quali= ty of life considerations. A "higher and better" use for real pr= operty is to find the very most profitable use that also provides a benefi= cial impact to the community and environment. World believes that this app= roach will be a key to successful real property development in the future.=

<= table cellSpacing=3D0 cellPadding=3D3 width=3D340 border=3D0 height=3D76><= tr>A Closer Look:
World Associates, Inc. (World) was founded in 1990 and it = has evolved into a fully integrated real estate enterprise. World is combi= ning access to the capital markets, a competency with Internet technology,= a portfolio of sustainable technologies, and the inherent strength of rea= l estate as a means of creating shareholder value. Early in 2002 World acq= uired more than $10 million in real estate assets. The company is negotiat= ing other joint venture opportunities and alliances, and it will continue = to expand it's growing portfolio of assets to develop.

Objective= :

The company=FFFFFF92s immediate objective is to = execute a plan of development for it's current assets that include more th= an 300 acres of property valued at more than $10,000,000. When fully devel= oped, the property will support more than 700 homes representing more than= $100,000,000 in total sales over the next four years. The company will co= ntinue to add to the assets it owns, focusing on land development, afforda= ble housing, 55+ housing, and infill housing.

= = Points to Consider:

  • This stock is based on r= eal estate, the traditional hard asset
    • Manufactured housing is the future-New ho= mes cost up to 35% less than regular construction
  • Affordable housing will always be in demand=
  • This is an early stage opportun= ity with good upside potential
  •  Rain or Shine, = manufactured housing construction continues without delay from weather con= ditions.

Conclusion:

Real estate is the tra= ditional hard asset and it is the foundation of World Associates, Inc. The= strength and potential for growth embodied by the current real estate mar= ket, dictates that this sector be in the spotlight for creating value.=

The Savvy Investor chooses its first pick of the New Year - Worl= d Associates Inc. (WAIV). With their strategic positioning and acquisition= s WAIV is sure to move to the forefront of the sector. In an unstable mark= et - its a necessity to add strong stocks to your portfolio.

= This has been the February Edition of The Savvy Investor Newsletter.

Editing Chairman

Joi= n our premiere update and get a sneak preview of upcoming reports. = <= /p>

Disclaimer:

The Savvy Investor Newsletter provides= information on selected companies that it believes has investment potenti= al. The&nbs= p; Savvy Investor Newsletter is not a registere= d investment advisor or broker - dealer. This report is provided as an inf= ormation service only, and the statements and opinions in this report shou= ld not be construed as an offer or solicitation to buy or sell any securit= y. Savvy In= vestor Newsletter accepts no liability for any loss = arising from an investors reliance on or use of this report. An investment= in WAIV is considered to be highly speculative and should not be consider= ed unless a person can afford a complete loss of investment. The Savvy Investor Newsl= etter  has been retained to distribute this rep= ort on WAIV and has been paid fifteen hundred dollars by a third party. Th= is report involves forward looking statements, which involve risk, and unc= ertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those s= et forth in the forward - looking statements. For further details concerni= ng these risks and uncertainties, see the SEC filings of WAIV including th= e company's most recent annual and quarte= rly reports.

If you feel that this service is no longer o= f benefit to you, and you do not want to be notified along with the invest= ors on this list, please  CLICK HERE<= /font> NOTE: By blocking your email address from the= recipients you will no longer receive your FREE company advisory nor your= FREE company update in the Future.
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Digital Personal Workstation (Miata) Digital Personal WorkStation 600au, 598MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=0 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000000020116 real memory = 266493952 (254 MB) avail memory = 251977728 (240 MB) Memory modified after free 0xfffffc00007b6000(8184) panic: Most recently used by none panic Stopped at Debugger+0x38: zapnot v0,#0xf,v0 db> trace Debugger() at Debugger+0x38 panic() at panic+0x118 mtrash_ctor() at mtrash_ctor+0x84 uma_zalloc_arg() at uma_zalloc_arg+0x160 malloc() at malloc+0x94 kobj_class_compile() at kobj_class_compile+0x2c devclass_add_driver() at devclass_add_driver+0x64 driver_module_handler() at driver_module_handler+0xb4 module_register_init() at module_register_init+0xa0 mi_startup() at mi_startup+0x144 locorestart() at locorestart+0x64 --- root of call graph --- des@dsa ~% gdb -k /sys/alpha/compile/DSA/kernel.debug GNU gdb 5.2.1 (FreeBSD) Copyright 2002 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 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(kgdb) list *(mtrash_ctor+0x84) 0xfffffc000056a684 is in mtrash_ctor (../../../vm/uma_dbg.c:138). 133 134 for (p = mem; cnt > 0; cnt--, p++) 135 if (*p != uma_junk) { 136 printf("Memory modified after free %p(%d)\n", 137 mem, size); 138 panic("Most recently used by %s\n", (*ksp == NULL)? 139 "none" : (*ksp)->ks_shortdesc); 140 } 141 } 142 (kgdb) list *(uma_zalloc_arg+0x160) 0xfffffc0000568bf0 is in uma_zalloc_arg (../../../vm/uma_core.c:1358). 1353 uma_dbg_alloc(zone, NULL, item); 1354 ZONE_UNLOCK(zone); 1355 #endif 1356 CPU_UNLOCK(zone, cpu); 1357 if (zone->uz_ctor) 1358 zone->uz_ctor(item, zone->uz_size, udata); 1359 if (flags & M_ZERO) 1360 bzero(item, zone->uz_size); 1361 return (item); 1362 } else if (cache->uc_freebucket) { DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 4:13: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6479737B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:12:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A117F43F85 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 04:12:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Jan.Lentfer@web.de) Received: from [213.157.1.107] (helo=floundjan.homeip.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.95 #31) id 18jIEM-0004NE-00; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:12:42 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.lan [127.0.0.1]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id 4CEC11C3; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:12:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost.localdomain (neslonek.bio.tu-darmstadt.de [130.83.207.147]) by floundjan.homeip.net (Postfix on FreeBSD 4.5) with ESMTP id C509BFF; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:12:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? From: Jan Lentfer To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: Andrew Gallatin , FreeBSD alpha mailing list In-Reply-To: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.26349.357142.151047@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.27540.655333.324376@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.5 Date: 13 Feb 2003 13:14:15 +0100 Message-Id: <1045138456.618.5.camel@neslonek> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-10 Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Am Die, 2003-02-11 um 23.38 schrieb Marco Beishuizen: > On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, the wise Andrew Gallatin spoke, and said: > > > > > Search for "set pci_device_override" at > > > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/5.0R/hardware-alpha.html > > > > The bug in question occurrs when DMAing across a page boundary. > > In my experience, this bug causes the machine to lock solid, not to > > exhibit corruption. > > > > Like Fred said, its a graphics controller not a scsi adapter. Give it > > a shot. > > Well, the Matrox is in a 64 bit slot now, and I have to say it's a big > improvement! I did a 'set pci_device_override -1' in the console, and > graphics performance in acrobat and gimp is a lot faster now. > > Thank you all for the tips. Hi all, I tried to gather some numbers so one can compare the graphic performance of 32bit vs. 64bit slot. I did "x11perf -all" on a PWS 500a, Debian Linux 2.4.20, Xfree 4.2.1, ATI Radeon with DRI. Here are the results from x11perfcomp: lentferj@neslonek:~$ x11perfcomp -r ati32bit ati64bit 1: ati32bit 2: ati64bit 1 2 Operation -------- ----------------- ----------------- 2140000.0 4880000.0 ( 2.28) Dot 1170000.0 1190000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 rectangle 1170000.0 1180000.0 ( 1.01) 10x10 rectangle 32700.0 32700.0 ( 1.00) 100x100 rectangle 1520.0 1530.0 ( 1.01) 500x500 rectangle 691000.0 715000.0 ( 1.03) 1x1 stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) 633000.0 632000.0 ( 1.00) 10x10 stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) 10500.0 10900.0 ( 1.04) 100x100 stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) 350.0 352.0 ( 1.01) 500x500 stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) 683000.0 714000.0 ( 1.05) 1x1 opaque stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) 673000.0 690000.0 ( 1.03) 10x10 opaque stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) 18400.0 18000.0 ( 0.98) 100x100 opaque stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) 839.0 749.0 ( 0.89) 500x500 opaque stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) 678000.0 696000.0 ( 1.03) 1x1 tiled rectangle (4x4 tile) 667000.0 685000.0 ( 1.03) 10x10 tiled rectangle (4x4 tile) 18400.0 18100.0 ( 0.98) 100x100 tiled rectangle (4x4 tile) 748.0 749.0 ( 1.00) 500x500 tiled rectangle (4x4 tile) 709000.0 720000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) 664000.0 674000.0 ( 1.02) 10x10 stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) 11000.0 11000.0 ( 1.00) 100x100 stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) 363.0 363.0 ( 1.00) 500x500 stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) 709000.0 713000.0 ( 1.01) 1x1 opaque stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) 679000.0 700000.0 ( 1.03) 10x10 opaque stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) 18400.0 18500.0 ( 1.01) 100x100 opaque stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) 746.0 785.0 ( 1.05) 500x500 opaque stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) 708000.0 724000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 tiled rectangle (17x15 tile) 679000.0 698000.0 ( 1.03) 10x10 tiled rectangle (17x15 tile) 18300.0 18500.0 ( 1.01) 100x100 tiled rectangle (17x15 tile) 731.0 785.0 ( 1.07) 500x500 tiled rectangle (17x15 tile) 737000.0 752000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) 692000.0 692000.0 ( 1.00) 10x10 stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) 12800.0 12500.0 ( 0.98) 100x100 stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) 400.0 407.0 ( 1.02) 500x500 stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) 740000.0 755000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 opaque stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) 721000.0 731000.0 ( 1.01) 10x10 opaque stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) 18900.0 19300.0 ( 1.02) 100x100 opaque stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) 805.0 847.0 ( 1.05) 500x500 opaque stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) 740000.0 754000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 tiled rectangle (161x145 tile) 720000.0 737000.0 ( 1.02) 10x10 tiled rectangle (161x145 tile) 18900.0 18300.0 ( 0.97) 100x100 tiled rectangle (161x145 tile) 805.0 788.0 ( 0.98) 500x500 tiled rectangle (161x145 tile) 739000.0 755000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 tiled rectangle (216x208 tile) 725000.0 742000.0 ( 1.02) 10x10 tiled rectangle (216x208 tile) 18300.0 17600.0 ( 0.96) 100x100 tiled rectangle (216x208 tile) 808.0 782.0 ( 0.97) 500x500 tiled rectangle (216x208 tile) 1080000.0 1160000.0 ( 1.07) 1-pixel line segment 1240000.0 1280000.0 ( 1.03) 10-pixel line segment 427000.0 428000.0 ( 1.00) 100-pixel line segment 86300.0 86500.0 ( 1.00) 500-pixel line segment 424000.0 439000.0 ( 1.04) 100-pixel line segment (1 kid) 328000.0 352000.0 ( 1.07) 100-pixel line segment (2 kids) I put the graphic card in the lower one of the two 64bit slot. Would it make any difference it I put in the upper of the two? Cheers, Jan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 6:59:58 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59C2437B401; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:59:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720EF43FB1; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:59:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1DExk8I003295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1DExfB33667; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:59:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15947.45789.100492.921127@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:59:41 -0500 (EST) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: top-of-tree alpha kernel panics during boot In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Memory modified after free 0xfffffc00007b6000(8184) > panic: Most recently used by none It might be interesting to add some printfs to see what the value is currently, vs what was expected, and where in the zone the modification happened.. This is a UP box right? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 7: 2:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBAA37B401; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:02:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD05043F75; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:02:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 6D7B4536E; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:02:14 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: top-of-tree alpha kernel panics during boot From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:02:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <15947.45789.100492.921127@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> (Andrew Gallatin's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:59:41 -0500 (EST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <15947.45789.100492.921127@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Andrew Gallatin writes: > This is a UP box right? Yes, a PWS 600au. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 7: 3:41 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753A237B401; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:03:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C3543FA3; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:03:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1DF3d8I003983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1DF3YB33678; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:03:34 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15947.46022.16599.381827@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:03:34 -0500 (EST) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: top-of-tree alpha kernel panics during boot In-Reply-To: References: <15947.45789.100492.921127@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Andrew Gallatin writes: > > This is a UP box right? > > Yes, a PWS 600au. > OK, good.. ;) There had been SMP problems with the UMA debug code a long time ago. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 9: 5:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EBF37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:05:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CA343FAF for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:05:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fclift@verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBAA3BF150 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:05:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net (vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.59]) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1DH5h323134 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:05:43 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:13:12 -0700 (MST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Subject: problem with pcmcia isa adaptor on alpha In-Reply-To: <3E498737.22D2187A@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <20030213093531.K26346-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've read the archives, and I've seen a large amount of 'no this doesn't work' so I'm not suprised when I put in a lucent ISA pcmcia adaptor and when I try a dumpcis on the card I get: # pccardc dumpcis Read return -1 bytes (expected 2) pccardc: CIS code read: Bad address Read return -1 bytes (expected 10) Configuration data for card in slot 0 2 slots found (oh, I'm running 4.7 stable) I was pretty sure it wouldn't work because at least three other people have tried and posted to the alpha mailing list over the last two years - one was an ISA adaptor and the others were multias with built in slots... In particular http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=55853+59013+/usr/local/www/db/text/2001/freebsd-alpha/20010506.freebsd-alpha Michael Wu talks about a conversation he had with Warner Losh in which the case seemed hopeless. Being a machoist, and wanting to have some goad to learn about kernel internals, and having one of these cards that I'd like to use in my pws500au, I decided to waste a bunch of my time figuring out some things about this problem :). So, I figured out the easy stuff quickly -- truss of pccardc dumpcis shows that the error is generated when the userland stuff, after doing a few ioctls tries to do a read on /dev/card0 - just tracking down the part of the code that gets called for this read was a great learning experience, and I ended up /usr/src/sys/pccard/pccard.c at about line 403 in crdread(). error = uiomove(p, count, uio); This call returns and EFAULT. uiomove can only EFAULT on a copyin or copyout, (I presuem copyout in this case since we are trying to read). So, something is wrong with p right? p in this case is pccard_kmem + some offset. My problem is that I can't really find where pccard_kmem is set -- I do see in the ioctl interface if you call the PIOCRWMEM ioctl that this value can be set, but otherwise, it appears to be uninitialized. Can anyone tell me where this is being initialized? or what else might be wrong with the uiomove? That ioctl is not being done in the userland program, so is there some internal call to this ioctl? # truss pccardc dumpcis |& grep ioctl ioctl(3,PIOCGSTATE,0x11ffba98) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(3,PIOCRWFLAG,0x11ffb9d8) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(3,PIOCRWFLAG,0x11ffb9e0) = 0 (0x0) ioctl(4,PIOCGSTATE,0x11ffba98) = 0 (0x0) I'm more looking for pointers of where to look rather than someone just telling me what is wrong -- though I wouldn't mind that. Or feel freel to point out to me why this is a hopless or unreasonable thing to even put time and effor in to :). It was suggested to me recently that the if_dc driver could use busDMA-ing and perhaps I should be wasting my time there instead. Either way, I barely know what I'm doing :). Fred -- Fred Clift - fred@clift.org -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 9:57:47 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D0837B405 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:57:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C56D43FAF for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:57:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1DHvc8I017374 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:57:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1DHvXv33812; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15947.56461.751618.786701@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) To: Cc: Subject: Re: problem with pcmcia isa adaptor on alpha In-Reply-To: <20030213093531.K26346-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> References: <3E498737.22D2187A@mindspring.com> <20030213093531.K26346-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org fred@clift.org writes: > > My problem is that I can't really find where pccard_kmem is set -- I do > see in the ioctl interface if you call the PIOCRWMEM ioctl that this value > can be set, but otherwise, it appears to be uninitialized. > > Can anyone tell me where this is being initialized? or what else might be > wrong with the uiomove? <..> pccard_kmem = rman_get_virtual(pccard_mem_res); However, this will be garbage on alpha, since its bus_alloc_resource() does not specify what kind of mapping it wants, which is required to get a valid virtual address from device mem on alpha. So try |'ing in PCI_RF_DENSE: Index: pccard.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/pccard/pccard.c,v retrieving revision 1.106.2.14 diff -u -r1.106.2.14 pccard.c --- pccard.c 22 Sep 2002 20:26:58 -0000 1.106.2.14 +++ pccard.c 13 Feb 2003 17:55:56 -0000 @@ -579,7 +579,7 @@ pccard_mem_rid, pccard_mem_res); pccard_mem_res = bus_alloc_resource(pccarddev, SYS_RES_MEMORY, &pccard_mem_rid, addr, addr, PCCARD_MEMSIZE, - RF_ACTIVE | rman_make_alignment_flags(PCCARD_MEMSIZE)); + PCI_RF_DENSE | RF_ACTIVE | rman_make_alignment_flags(PCCARD_MEMSIZE)); if (pccard_mem_res == NULL) return (EINVAL); pccard_mem = rman_get_start(pccard_mem_res); > thing to even put time and effor in to :). It was suggested to me > recently that the if_dc driver could use busDMA-ing and perhaps I should yes! > be wasting my time there instead. Either way, I barely know what I'm > doing :). Everybody has to start somewhere. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 12:28:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F75237B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:28:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.alfredstate.edu (mail2.alfredstate.edu [136.224.32.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C80043F75 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:28:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MyersJW@alfredstate.edu) Received: from jwmxp.alfredstate.edu ([136.224.55.5]) by mail2.alfredstate.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:28:35 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> X-Sender: myersjw@mail2.alfredstate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:28:30 -0500 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jon Myers Subject: general slowness and Q's.. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2003 20:28:35.0407 (UTC) FILETIME=[7BBCF5F0:01C2D39E] Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently acquired an AlphaServer 800 5/333 (EV56) w/320megs ram. The system seems to run about the same speed as my PentiPro 200 as far as buildworld and buildkernel go. Is this normal? Anything else needing to be done to these alphas with SRM to get them to go a little faster? buildworld took 4 hours, 22 minutes. buildkernel (generic) takes 37 minutes. (buildworld on my single ppro200 w/IDE drives takes 4 hours, 7 minutes) Its running 4.7-Stable. Are there vast improvements for Alpha in 5.0-R? Another odd thing is I've pulled all the drives, except for one 9 gig as dka0. bootup sees 15 devices (da0 - da14) all pointing to this same drive, same bus, same lun, but different targets. If I install more drives I cant seem to find them in the dmesg anywhere.. so not sure how to label them. (have a pile of these 9 gig drives, so normally they should appear with the same model number and such, and no way to tell them apart other than from the device numbers which seem to be a little off at the moment). The SCSI interface is whatever came with the box (NOT using RAID on this.. don't have the controller for it). This box was just handed over to us at the telecomm office because the relatively new guys at the computer center got rid of all their powerful machines, and replaced with P2 and P3 windows boxes. (most of these alphas were running VMS). Any ideas/suggestions? This isnt going to be a mission critical box, so I suppose I could load 5.0 on it, but wanted to find out as its pretty much "out of the box" at this moment (have not installed SQL server, httpd, or other software thats planned for this box yet). - - - Jon Myers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 12:49:53 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B76437B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from aromo.spock.cl (aromo.spock.cl [200.27.125.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC89A43FB1 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:49:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from roberto@spock.cl) Received: from spock.cl (multia.spock.cl [200.27.125.107]) by aromo.spock.cl (8.11.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h1DKo2u77358 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:50:02 -0300 (CLST) Message-ID: <3E4C04E9.70402@spock.cl> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:49:45 -0300 From: Roberto de Iriarte User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux ppc; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020827 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: general slowness and Q's.. References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jon Myers wrote: > I recently acquired an AlphaServer 800 5/333 (EV56) w/320megs ram. > The system seems to run about the same speed as my PentiPro 200 as far > as buildworld and buildkernel go. Is this normal? Anything else > needing to be done to these alphas with SRM to get them to go a little > faster? > buildworld took 4 hours, 22 minutes. > buildkernel (generic) takes 37 minutes. > (buildworld on my single ppro200 w/IDE drives takes 4 hours, 7 minutes) Your benchmark is, unfortunately, not the best choice. The only thing in common of both 'runs' is that the compilee sources are, more or less, the same (excepting the kernel, of course). Apart from that, the resulting binaries are worlds apart. Compiling for the alpha is usually much slower than for X86 (there is more work involved), also the binaries tend to be about 2 times the size of the equivalent X86 ones (again, more work involved). You could cross-compile something for the alpha on X86 (or vice-versa) to have a more accurate representation of the system's performance. I think you will find that it compares quite well with a 400 - 450 Mhz PentiII > > Its running 4.7-Stable. Are there vast improvements for Alpha in 5.0-R? > > Another odd thing is I've pulled all the drives, except for one 9 gig > as dka0. bootup sees 15 devices (da0 - da14) all pointing to this > same drive, same bus, same lun, but different targets. If I install > more drives I cant seem to find them in the dmesg anywhere.. so not > sure how to label them. (have a pile of these 9 gig drives, so > normally they should appear with the same model number and such, and > no way to tell them apart other than from the device numbers which > seem to be a little off at the moment). > The SCSI interface is whatever came with the box (NOT using RAID on > this.. don't have the controller for it). Strange! could you post a dmesg ? The scsi should be an integrated Qlogic ISP 1040 > This box was just handed over to us at the telecomm office because the > relatively new guys at the computer center got rid of all their > powerful machines, and replaced with P2 and P3 windows boxes. (most > of these alphas were running VMS). > > Any ideas/suggestions? This isnt going to be a mission critical box, > so I suppose I could load 5.0 on it, but wanted to find out as its > pretty much "out of the box" at this moment (have not installed SQL > server, httpd, or other software thats planned for this box yet). These are still very useful machines. What do you want to make out of it, a workstation or a small server ? > > - - - Jon Myers > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message BTW, if your PentiPro has a 440FX chipset, and happens to have 4 DIMMS, there is a good chance that these are 60ns buffered EDO ECC Dimms, wich you can use on the AS 800. (They have to go in banks of 4) Regards Roberto. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 12:57:18 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014B037B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A956F43FBD for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 12:57:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1DKvC6H032957; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:57:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1DKvCcb032951; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:57:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:57:12 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Jon Myers Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: general slowness and Q's.. Message-ID: <20030213215712.A25602@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu>; from myersjw@alfredstate.edu on Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:28:30PM -0500 X-OS: FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:28:30PM -0500, Jon Myers wrote: > I recently acquired an AlphaServer 800 5/333 (EV56) w/320megs ram. The > system seems to run about the same speed as my PentiPro 200 as far as > buildworld and buildkernel go. Is this normal? Anything else needing to > be done to these alphas with SRM to get them to go a little faster? > buildworld took 4 hours, 22 minutes. > buildkernel (generic) takes 37 minutes. > (buildworld on my single ppro200 w/IDE drives takes 4 hours, 7 minutes) The gcc code generator is apparantly much slower on Alpha than on x86. Not that compiling on Tru64 is particularly fast using the Compaq/HP compiler. I suppose that the optimiser tries to do more smart things on the Alpha CPU. > Another odd thing is I've pulled all the drives, except for one 9 gig as > dka0. bootup sees 15 devices (da0 - da14) all pointing to this same drive, > same bus, same lun, but different targets. If I install more drives I cant > seem to find them in the dmesg anywhere.. so not sure how to label > them. (have a pile of these 9 gig drives, so normally they should appear > with the same model number and such, and no way to tell them apart other > than from the device numbers which seem to be a little off at the > moment). The SCSI interface is whatever came with the box (NOT using RAID > on this.. don't have the controller for it). Looks like a SCSI ID conflict or so?? > This box was just handed over to us at the telecomm office because the > relatively new guys at the computer center got rid of all their powerful > machines, and replaced with P2 and P3 windows boxes. (most of these alphas > were running VMS). Say thank you and keep a close eye on the dumpster. :) W/ -- | / o / /_ _ wilko@FreeBSD.org |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 13:23:42 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 902F437B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:23:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.alfredstate.edu (mail2.alfredstate.edu [136.224.32.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9926D43FAF for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 13:23:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MyersJW@alfredstate.edu) Received: from jwmxp.alfredstate.edu ([136.224.55.5]) by mail2.alfredstate.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:23:35 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213160440.01ae85e8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> X-Sender: myersjw@mail2.alfredstate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:23:31 -0500 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jon Myers Subject: Re: general slowness and Q's.. In-Reply-To: <3E4C04E9.70402@spock.cl> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Feb 2003 21:23:35.0751 (UTC) FILETIME=[2AE57D70:01C2D3A6] Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org >>Its running 4.7-Stable. Are there vast improvements for Alpha in 5.0-R? >> >>Another odd thing is I've pulled all the drives, except for one 9 gig as >>dka0. bootup sees 15 devices (da0 - da14) all pointing to this same >>drive, same bus, same lun, but different targets. If I install more >>drives I cant seem to find them in the dmesg anywhere.. so not sure how >>to label them. (have a pile of these 9 gig drives, so normally they >>should appear with the same model number and such, and no way to tell >>them apart other than from the device numbers which seem to be a little >>off at the moment). > >>The SCSI interface is whatever came with the box (NOT using RAID on >>this.. don't have the controller for it). > >Strange! could you post a dmesg ? >The scsi should be an integrated Qlogic ISP 1040 AlphaServer 1000/1000A AlphaServer 800 5/333, 333MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV56 (21164A) major=7 minor=2 extensions=0x1 OSF PAL rev: 0x1000500020115 real memory = 333602816 (325784K bytes) avail memory = 317448192 (310008K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel" at 0xfffffc00007f8000. md0: Malloc disk cia0: ALCOR/ALCOR2, pass 3 cia0: extended capabilities: 21 pcib0: <2117x PCI host bus adapter> on cia0 pci0: on pcib0 isp0: port 0x10000-0x100ff mem 0x8288000 0-0x82880fff irq 0 at device 5.0 on pci0 isp0: interrupting at CIA irq 0 isp0: invalid NVRAM header pci0: at 6.0 irq 9 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 de0: port 0x10100-0x1017f mem 0x82881000-0x8288107f irq 1 at device 11.0 on pci0 de0: interrupting at CIA irq 1 de0: DEC DE500-AA 21140A [10-100Mb/s] pass 2.0 de0: address 00:00:f8:05:11:70 de0: enabling 10baseT port xl0: <3Com 3c905B-TX Fast Etherlink XL> port 0x10180-0x101ff mem 0x82881080-0x828810ff irq 5 at device 13.0 on pci0 xl0: interrupting at CIA irq 5 xl0: Ethernet address: 00:01:02:67:a4:97 miibus0: on xl0 xlphy0: <3Com internal media interface> on miibus0 xlphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto fdc0: at port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa0 fdc0: interrupting at ISA irq 6 fdc0: FIFO enabled, 8 bytes threshold fd0: <1440-KB 3.5" drive> on fdc0 drive 0 atkbdc0: at port 0x60,0x64 on isa0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 atkbd0: interrupting at ISA irq 1 vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 sc0: on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x200> mcclock0: at port 0x70-0x71 on isa0 sio0: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0 at port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: interrupting at ISA irq 4 sio1: reserved for low-level i/o ppc0: at port 0x3bc-0x3bf irq 7 on isa0 ppc0: Generic chipset (NIBBLE-only) in COMPATIBLE mode lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Polled port ppi0: on ppbus0 ppc0: interrupting at ISA irq 7 Timecounter "alpha" frequency 333323272 Hz Waiting 15 seconds for SCSI devices to settle da0 at isp0 bus 0 target 1 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da0: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da0: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da1 at isp0 bus 0 target 2 lun 0 da1: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da1: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da1: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da2 at isp0 bus 0 target 3 lun 0 da2: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da2: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da2: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da4 at isp0 bus 0 target 5 lun 0 da4: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da4: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da4: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da5 at isp0 bus 0 target 6 lun 0 da5: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da5: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da5: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da6 at isp0 bus 0 target 7 lun 0 da6: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da6: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da6: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da7 at isp0 bus 0 target 8 lun 0 da7: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da7: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da7: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da8 at isp0 bus 0 target 9 lun 0 da8: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da8: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da8: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da9 at isp0 bus 0 target 10 lun 0 da9: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da9: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da9: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da10 at isp0 bus 0 target 11 lun 0 da10: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da10: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da10: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da11 at isp0 bus 0 target 12 lun 0 da11: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da11: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da11: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da12 at isp0 bus 0 target 13 lun 0 da12: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da12: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da12: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da3 at isp0 bus 0 target 4 lun 0 da3: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da3: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da3: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da13 at isp0 bus 0 target 14 lun 0 da13: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da13: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da13: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) da14 at isp0 bus 0 target 15 lun 0 da14: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device da14: 3.906MB/s transfers (1.953MHz, offset 12, 16bit), Tagged Queueing Enabled da14: 8678MB (17773524 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 1106C) Mounting root from ufs:/dev/da0a Note.. this does indeed only have ONE HD drive installed. There is also a scsi cdrom drive, also I don't see it in the probes. But had the same result when I removed that drive anyway (I installed via floppies and FTP). Another interesting thing is de0, the DEC Ethernet de500 card MADE FOR ALPHA comes up with underruns, and refuses to work at 100meg, only 10 meg. Thus, I tossed in the 3com. I also need to trim down GENERIC, but not knowing the architecture, not sure what to take out, other than just going by the dmesg, and take out the devices that are not found, and that I know are not in there. Plans for this box are generally just a small server; mySQL for call accounting (2nd database, the important stuff goes into an oracle database), web server (just something small for various graphs), maybe dialin pool via a comtrol rocketport card (4 or 8 ports), mrtg host to poll about 20 SNMP devices around campus, file store (if I can get the other drives installed and working), x11 host, and maybe some other small things. Really, I'm anxious to see what this Alpha can excel at. What types of processes should I load onto this thing to make good use of it? In the past, I've only worked with FreeBSD on x86 boxes. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 14:14:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC55B37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:14:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp01.wxs.nl (smtp01.wxs.nl [195.121.6.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A18F43F3F for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:14:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marco@beishuizen.info) Received: from tsunami.bsd ([213.10.35.60]) by smtp01.wxs.nl (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HA9POM01.20R; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:12:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:13:19 +0100 (CET) From: Marco Beishuizen Reply-To: Marco Beishuizen To: Jan Lentfer Cc: FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? In-Reply-To: <1045138456.618.5.camel@neslonek> Message-ID: References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.26349.357142.151047@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.27540.655333.324376@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1045138456.618.5.camel@neslonek> FreeBSD: Homepage: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, the wise Jan Lentfer spoke, and said: > Hi all, > > I tried to gather some numbers so one can compare the graphic > performance of 32bit vs. 64bit slot. > I did "x11perf -all" on a PWS 500a, Debian Linux 2.4.20, Xfree 4.2.1, > ATI Radeon with DRI. > > Here are the results from x11perfcomp: > > lentferj@neslonek:~$ x11perfcomp -r ati32bit ati64bit > 1: ati32bit > 2: ati64bit > > 1 2 Operation > -------- ----------------- ----------------- > 2140000.0 4880000.0 ( 2.28) Dot > 1170000.0 1190000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 rectangle > 1170000.0 1180000.0 ( 1.01) 10x10 rectangle > 32700.0 32700.0 ( 1.00) 100x100 rectangle > 1520.0 1530.0 ( 1.01) 500x500 rectangle > 691000.0 715000.0 ( 1.03) 1x1 stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) > 633000.0 632000.0 ( 1.00) 10x10 stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) > 10500.0 10900.0 ( 1.04) 100x100 stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) > 350.0 352.0 ( 1.01) 500x500 stippled rectangle (8x8 stipple) > 683000.0 714000.0 ( 1.05) 1x1 opaque stippled rectangle (8x8 > stipple) > 673000.0 690000.0 ( 1.03) 10x10 opaque stippled rectangle (8x8 > stipple) > 18400.0 18000.0 ( 0.98) 100x100 opaque stippled rectangle (8x8 > stipple) > 839.0 749.0 ( 0.89) 500x500 opaque stippled rectangle (8x8 > stipple) > 678000.0 696000.0 ( 1.03) 1x1 tiled rectangle (4x4 tile) > 667000.0 685000.0 ( 1.03) 10x10 tiled rectangle (4x4 tile) > 18400.0 18100.0 ( 0.98) 100x100 tiled rectangle (4x4 tile) > 748.0 749.0 ( 1.00) 500x500 tiled rectangle (4x4 tile) > 709000.0 720000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) > 664000.0 674000.0 ( 1.02) 10x10 stippled rectangle (17x15 stipple) > 11000.0 11000.0 ( 1.00) 100x100 stippled rectangle (17x15 > stipple) > 363.0 363.0 ( 1.00) 500x500 stippled rectangle (17x15 > stipple) > 709000.0 713000.0 ( 1.01) 1x1 opaque stippled rectangle (17x15 > stipple) > 679000.0 700000.0 ( 1.03) 10x10 opaque stippled rectangle (17x15 > stipple) > 18400.0 18500.0 ( 1.01) 100x100 opaque stippled rectangle (17x15 > stipple) > 746.0 785.0 ( 1.05) 500x500 opaque stippled rectangle (17x15 > stipple) > 708000.0 724000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 tiled rectangle (17x15 tile) > 679000.0 698000.0 ( 1.03) 10x10 tiled rectangle (17x15 tile) > 18300.0 18500.0 ( 1.01) 100x100 tiled rectangle (17x15 tile) > 731.0 785.0 ( 1.07) 500x500 tiled rectangle (17x15 tile) > 737000.0 752000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 stippled rectangle (161x145 stipple) > 692000.0 692000.0 ( 1.00) 10x10 stippled rectangle (161x145 > stipple) > 12800.0 12500.0 ( 0.98) 100x100 stippled rectangle (161x145 > stipple) > 400.0 407.0 ( 1.02) 500x500 stippled rectangle (161x145 > stipple) > 740000.0 755000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 opaque stippled rectangle (161x145 > stipple) > 721000.0 731000.0 ( 1.01) 10x10 opaque stippled rectangle (161x145 > stipple) > 18900.0 19300.0 ( 1.02) 100x100 opaque stippled rectangle > (161x145 stipple) > 805.0 847.0 ( 1.05) 500x500 opaque stippled rectangle > (161x145 stipple) > 740000.0 754000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 tiled rectangle (161x145 tile) > 720000.0 737000.0 ( 1.02) 10x10 tiled rectangle (161x145 tile) > 18900.0 18300.0 ( 0.97) 100x100 tiled rectangle (161x145 tile) > 805.0 788.0 ( 0.98) 500x500 tiled rectangle (161x145 tile) > 739000.0 755000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 tiled rectangle (216x208 tile) > 725000.0 742000.0 ( 1.02) 10x10 tiled rectangle (216x208 tile) > 18300.0 17600.0 ( 0.96) 100x100 tiled rectangle (216x208 tile) > 808.0 782.0 ( 0.97) 500x500 tiled rectangle (216x208 tile) > 1080000.0 1160000.0 ( 1.07) 1-pixel line segment > 1240000.0 1280000.0 ( 1.03) 10-pixel line segment > 427000.0 428000.0 ( 1.00) 100-pixel line segment > 86300.0 86500.0 ( 1.00) 500-pixel line segment > 424000.0 439000.0 ( 1.04) 100-pixel line segment (1 kid) > 328000.0 352000.0 ( 1.07) 100-pixel line segment (2 kids) > > > I put the graphic card in the lower one of the two 64bit slot. Would it > make any difference it I put in the upper of the two? Hi, This doesn't look like a big performance improvement. My experience changing to the 64-bit slot is that graphics is a lot faster now (certainly more than a few procent). Especially working with PDF's and in Gimp. Even browsing the web has improved. Perhaps it makes a difference which graphic card is being used. Marco P.S. My graphic card is put in the upper slot :-) -- Overdrawn? But I still have checks left! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 14:23: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7247437B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:23:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from alcanet.com.au (mail3.alcanet.com.au [208.178.117.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F4443FAF for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:23:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: from sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (IDENT:root@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alcanet.com.au (8.12.4/8.12.4/Alcanet1.3) with ESMTP id h1DMMtYK019580; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:22:55 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au ([139.188.20.247]) by sydsmtp01.alcatel.com.au (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.11) with ESMTP id 2003021409225440:33311 ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:22:54 +1100 Received: from gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1DMMsIs055819; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:22:54 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Received: (from jeremyp@localhost) by gsmx07.alcatel.com.au (8.12.5/8.12.5/Submit) id h1DMMrc7055818; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:22:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter.jeremy@alcatel.com.au) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:22:52 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Jon Myers Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: general slowness and Q's.. Message-ID: <20030213222252.GY1877@gsmx07.alcatel.com.au> Mail-Followup-To: Jon Myers , freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 14/02/2003 09:22:54 AM, Serialize by Router on SYDSMTP01/AlcatelAustralia(Release 5.0.11 |July 24, 2002) at 14/02/2003 09:22:55 AM, Serialize complete at 14/02/2003 09:22:55 AM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 2003-Feb-13 15:28:30 -0500, Jon Myers wrote: >I recently acquired an AlphaServer 800 5/333 (EV56) w/320megs ram. The >system seems to run about the same speed as my PentiPro 200 as far as >buildworld and buildkernel go. Is this normal? Anything else needing to >be done to these alphas with SRM to get them to go a little faster? My feeling is that for integer, CPU-bound stuff, this is probably about right. The Alpha's _do_ need more clock cycles to get normal integer stuff done than an x86 chip (of course if you're doing lots of FP or 64-bit math then the Alpha is much faster). As Wilko pointed out, the gcc code generator is slower for Alpha than x86. I think it also generates less efficient code - which makes things slower still. >Its running 4.7-Stable. Are there vast improvements for Alpha in 5.0-R? I believe gcc-3.2 generates better code on the Alpha, but is significantly slower at doing so. >Another odd thing is I've pulled all the drives, except for one 9 gig as >dka0. bootup sees 15 devices (da0 - da14) all pointing to this same drive, >same bus, same lun, but different targets. This does look like an address conflict. What target address is the drive set to? Can you post the output from an SRM "sho dev". I'm also intrigued by your problems with the DE500. These cards _do_ work in FreeBSD and in Alphas. Under load at 100baseTX, they do tend to report underruns and increase the FIFO depth but I think this is a design fault in the card. I also believe there are auto-negotiation problems with some of the -AA versions. Have you tried forcing it (and the switch port) to 100baseTX? As for trimming down GENERIC, you only need "DEC_1000A" and whichever devices you have attached. Peter To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 14:28:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C07F37B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:28:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2BB43F3F for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:28:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id B0EE0536E; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:28:33 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Marco Beishuizen Cc: Jan Lentfer , FreeBSD alpha mailing list Subject: Re: Why is XFree86 on FreeBSD/Alpha much slower? From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:28:32 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Marco Beishuizen's message of "Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:13:19 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <15945.23721.759825.313603@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.24538.794799.926276@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.25465.768071.583030@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.26349.357142.151047@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <15945.27540.655333.324376@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <1045138456.618.5.camel@neslonek> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Marco Beishuizen writes: > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, the wise Jan Lentfer spoke, and said: >> 1 2 Operation >> -------- ----------------- ----------------- >> 2140000.0 4880000.0 ( 2.28) Dot >> 1170000.0 1190000.0 ( 1.02) 1x1 rectangle >> 1170000.0 1180000.0 ( 1.01) 10x10 rectangle >> [...] > This doesn't look like a big performance improvement. My experience > changing to the 64-bit slot is that graphics is a lot faster now > (certainly more than a few procent). Especially working with PDF's and in > Gimp. Even browsing the web has improved. Perhaps it makes a difference > which graphic card is being used. It does indicate a 100% speed increase for setting individual pixels, which is what Acrobat and Gimp spends most of their time doing. DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 17:15:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A795037B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB3343FA3 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:15:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1E1FaUc023983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:15:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely9.cicely.de (cicely9.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:210:5aff:fe30:1c1a]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1E1FYFO079517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:15:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely9.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely9.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1E1FXXW023019; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:15:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely9.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1E1FVFF023018; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:15:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 02:15:30 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Jon Myers Cc: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: general slowness and Q's.. Message-ID: <20030214011529.GJ20351@cicely9.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20030213160440.01ae85e8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213160440.01ae85e8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely9.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:23:31PM -0500, Jon Myers wrote: > Note.. this does indeed only have ONE HD drive installed. There is also a > scsi cdrom drive, also I don't see it in the probes. But had the same > result when I removed that drive anyway (I installed via floppies and FTP). As Wilko already wrote: It looks like an SCSI ID conflict. Especially it seems that your HDD uses the same ID as your host adapter. > Another interesting thing is de0, the DEC Ethernet de500 card MADE FOR > ALPHA comes up with underruns, and refuses to work at 100meg, only 10 meg. Underruns are normal for these cards, the driver tunes dynamicaly and just tells you about it - it's not an error. You can see something similar on other card types too, e.g. xl and dc. About 100M - these cards can't do N-WAY autosensing. Either the driver is guessing your tranfermode or you have to set it explicitly. It's hard to say what went wrong in your case without detailed info. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Thu Feb 13 19:55:24 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E34537B401 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:55:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.alfredstate.edu (mail2.alfredstate.edu [136.224.32.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F81A43F75 for ; Thu, 13 Feb 2003 19:55:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from MyersJW@alfredstate.edu) Received: from jwmxp.alfredstate.edu ([136.224.55.5]) by mail2.alfredstate.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:55:20 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213223846.01b35dd8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> X-Sender: myersjw@mail2.alfredstate.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:55:15 -0500 To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG From: Jon Myers Subject: DEC network card...(WAS: general slowness and Q's..) In-Reply-To: <20030214011529.GJ20351@cicely9.cicely.de> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213160440.01ae85e8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20030213160440.01ae85e8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2003 03:55:20.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[E49D38D0:01C2D3DC] Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I've tried setting the de500 (-AA model) for 100 meg, as well as setting the switch its connected to at 100 meg, and it would not link up. Various settings, cables, half/full duplex, etc.. eventually I just put a 3c905 in there, and went along my merry way. Also, I tossed in a de500 (-PC model) and it found it as dc0 (as opposed to de0). but shortly after the probe, and detecting it, there was a kernel panic, and reboot (just after giving me the mac addr) this was before putting in the 3com. as far as the SCSI deal, I'll get back with another post on that, when I can get at the box again. Also, if you look at another post, by Sergey at: http://news.gw.com/freebsd.alpha/6807 it looks like he had the same issue in his dmesg (altho, he was complaining of init not starting (due to a local service not starting, and pausing the machine before init)) At 02:15 AM 2/14/2003 +0100, you wrote: >On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:23:31PM -0500, Jon Myers wrote: > > Note.. this does indeed only have ONE HD drive installed. There is also a > > scsi cdrom drive, also I don't see it in the probes. But had the same > > result when I removed that drive anyway (I installed via floppies and FTP). > >As Wilko already wrote: It looks like an SCSI ID conflict. >Especially it seems that your HDD uses the same ID as your host adapter. > > > Another interesting thing is de0, the DEC Ethernet de500 card MADE FOR > > ALPHA comes up with underruns, and refuses to work at 100meg, only 10 meg. > >Underruns are normal for these cards, the driver tunes dynamicaly and >just tells you about it - it's not an error. >You can see something similar on other card types too, e.g. xl and dc. > >About 100M - these cards can't do N-WAY autosensing. >Either the driver is guessing your tranfermode or you have to set it >explicitly. >It's hard to say what went wrong in your case without detailed info. > >-- >B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de >ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 14 5:38:30 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B1F037B401 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 05:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from atlas.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (atlas.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D6443FAF for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 05:38:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stolz@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de) Received: from menelaos.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (menelaos.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.194.73]) by atlas.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.11.3/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id h1EDcQW32732; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:38:26 +0100 Received: (from stolz@localhost) by menelaos.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1EDcVC0026326; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:38:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stolz) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:38:31 +0100 From: Volker Stolz To: Jon Myers Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DEC network card...(WAS: general slowness and Q's..) Message-ID: <20030214133831.GA26317@i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> References: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213160440.01ae85e8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20030213145019.01aa3670@mail2.alfredstate.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20030213160440.01ae85e8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> <5.0.2.1.2.20030213223846.01b35dd8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20030213223846.01b35dd8@mail2.alfredstate.edu> X-PGP-Key: finger vs@foldr.org X-PGP-Id: 0x3FD1B6B5 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org In local.freebsd-alpha, you wrote: > there, and went along my merry way. Also, I tossed in a de500 (-PC model) > and it found it as dc0 (as opposed to de0). but shortly after the probe, > and detecting it, there was a kernel panic, and reboot (just after giving > me the mac addr) this was before putting in the 3com. Sounds like an incarnation of miibus compiled into kernel and miibus additionally loaded as module (as dependency). -- http://www-i2.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/stolz/ *** PGP *** S/MIME rage against the finite state machine To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 14 9:54:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10D337B401 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:54:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net [198.65.168.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA8143F75 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:54:23 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fclift@verio.net) Received: from mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (mx.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.10]) by gatekeeper.oremut01.us.wh.verio.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A1C3BF171 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:54:22 -0700 (MST) Received: from vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net (vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net [10.1.1.59]) by mx.dmz.orem.verio.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1EHsL395057; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:54:21 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:01:55 -0700 (MST) From: X-X-Sender: To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Subject: Re: problem with pcmcia isa adaptor on alpha In-Reply-To: <15947.56461.751618.786701@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Message-ID: <20030214104744.L28912-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I tried your patch, though I only have a superficial understanding of what it does. (I had to add the following at the top #include to get the #define in question...) and your patch: > - RF_ACTIVE | rman_make_alignment_flags(PCCARD_MEMSIZE)); > + PCI_RF_DENSE | RF_ACTIVE | rman_make_alignment_flags(PCCARD_MEMSIZE)); and then, I run pccardd (which is important because it does the iocontrol that actually sets up the memory windows) and then with my lucent wireless card in the slot, a pccardc dumpcis gives me roughly: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # pccardc dumpcis | less Configuration data for card in slot 0 Tuple #1, code = 0x1 (Common memory descriptor), length = 3 000: 00 00 ff .... Common memory device information: IRQs: NMI IOCK BERR VEND 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Tuple #17, code = 0xff (Terminator), length = 0 2 slots found --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Next on my list - build the wi driver (and userland utils) into my kernel and see if this works :). So, one question - I presume a patch for pccard.c would need to have some #ifdef ALPHA kind of code in it so that this change is specific to the alpha architecture only? Should I generate a patch for this? File a PR? There would also need to be patches to either GENERIC or to LINT to let people know these can be made to work on alpha, and probably something about the wi driver too. Fred -- Fred Clift - fred@clift.org -- Remember: If brute force doesn't work, you're just not using enough. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 14 10: 0:20 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B05837B401 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:00:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855AF43F85 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:00:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1EI0C8I013214 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1EI07335512; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:00:07 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15949.11942.969987.302969@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 13:00:06 -0500 (EST) To: Cc: Subject: Re: problem with pcmcia isa adaptor on alpha In-Reply-To: <20030214104744.L28912-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> References: <15947.56461.751618.786701@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030214104744.L28912-100000@vespa.dmz.orem.verio.net> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org fred@clift.org writes: > > Next on my list - build the wi driver (and userland utils) into my kernel > and see if this works :). I'd use a module. It makes for a quicker debug cycle (when there are no panic's involved). > So, one question - I presume a patch for pccard.c would need to have some > #ifdef ALPHA kind of code in it so that this change is specific to the > alpha architecture only? Should I generate a patch for this? File a PR? No, its just 0 on other platforms. > There would also need to be patches to either GENERIC or to LINT to let > people know these can be made to work on alpha, and probably something > about the wi driver too. Yes. But don't put the cart before the horse. Get the wi driver working first ;) Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Fri Feb 14 19:18:25 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B88B637B401 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:18:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1D343F93 for ; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:18:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from aknoland@mindspring.com) Received: from user-11211mb.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.134.203] helo=mindspring.com) by granger.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18jsqN-0003p8-00 for alpha@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:18:23 -0500 Message-ID: <3E4DB17E.2000400@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:18:22 -0800 From: Anthony Noland User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20021120 Netscape/7.01 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: fd0 not found on 5.0 Alpha Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have an as1200 w/ FreeBSD 5.0 Release installed. I have reviewed the dmesg log and find the floppy controller has been detected. I have not been able to get the floppy drive detected/running nor have I been able to use MAKEDEV or mknod as the /dev/ directory will not permit me to write. I have su'ed to root and removed write restrictions to /dev/ via chmod u=rwx or 777 and while the permissions do change I still cannot write to /dev/ to create the floppy devices. I get the error "Operation not supported". My only other thought is to compile the device into the kernel but since I have never created a custom kernel I am not sure if this is my problem or the correct solution. Has anyone seen this problem? To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 14:41:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965CB37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:41:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-52.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D93BA43FB1 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:41:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1175679DA for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:41:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B57ECE64; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:41:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:41:43 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Lots of signal 11's? Message-ID: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Has anyone else started seeing lots of sig11's on recent -current? I'm getting this on all of my alpha package machines: Feb 15 14:39:22 axp0 kernel: pid 6101 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Feb 15 14:39:22 axp0 kernel: pid 6105 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Feb 15 14:39:22 axp0 kernel: pid 6109 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Feb 15 14:39:23 axp0 kernel: pid 6113 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 Feb 15 14:39:23 axp0 kernel: pid 6117 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 ... sshd is also dumping core on some of them. I've rebuilt the machines a couple of times, but still get this problem. I haven't yet obtained a debugging traceback of fetch or tried rolling back to an older -current. Kris --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+TsInWry0BWjoQKURAvVmAJ9SK/Z6rVGnrMdHMy3YbfihCFCV3gCggVSN SQDaqNU9HPDYgm23CE5JKLc= =vltp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OXfL5xGRrasGEqWY-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 15:34: 3 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED9337B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067E743FD7 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:34:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 05371536E; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:33:59 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Kris Kennaway Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lots of signal 11's? From: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:33:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> (Kris Kennaway's message of "Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:41:43 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090014 (Oort Gnus v0.14) Emacs/21.2 (i386--freebsd) References: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kennaway writes: > Has anyone else started seeing lots of sig11's on recent -current? Could it be related to the gcc upgrade? DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 15:44:59 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABAC037B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:44:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-52.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D278843FA3 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:44:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF0867C91; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:44:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CDAEF1029; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:44:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:44:55 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Kris Kennaway , alpha@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Lots of signal 11's? Message-ID: <20030215234455.GA24533@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:33:59AM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > Kris Kennaway writes: > > Has anyone else started seeing lots of sig11's on recent -current? >=20 > Could it be related to the gcc upgrade? It's possible. I was interested in knowing whether anyone else is seeing it, or if it's something local. Kris --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+TtD3Wry0BWjoQKURAtoFAJ4ys6mgoZCgB0q1rNfiUIVR6xTmegCfdYhU 4+MrsPo0rvr4+BYJexRB+VA= =tybO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 16:54:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F7BB37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5C543F75 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:54:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1G0sj8I020289 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:54:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1G0seU40109; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:54:40 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15950.57680.446989.260723@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:54:40 -0500 (EST) To: Dag-Erling Smorgrav Cc: Kris Kennaway , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lots of signal 11's? In-Reply-To: References: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > Kris Kennaway writes: > > Has anyone else started seeing lots of sig11's on recent -current? > > Could it be related to the gcc upgrade? > I was more afraid it might be somehow related to that UMA panic you reported last week. Did you make any progress on that? Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 17: 0:27 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1CE37B405 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:00:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-63-207-60-52.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [63.207.60.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4980143FE1 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:00:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95B85679DA; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:00:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2CC58107F; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:00:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:00:15 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Andrew Gallatin Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , Kris Kennaway , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lots of signal 11's? Message-ID: <20030216010015.GA41497@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> <15950.57680.446989.260723@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <15950.57680.446989.260723@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 07:54:40PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: >=20 > Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > > Kris Kennaway writes: > > > Has anyone else started seeing lots of sig11's on recent -current? > >=20 > > Could it be related to the gcc upgrade? > >=20 >=20 > I was more afraid it might be somehow related to that UMA panic you > reported last week. Did you make any progress on that? I don't remember precisely which one that was, but I think the last I heard was that jeff had some ideas about it, but no fix yet. Kris --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE+TuKfWry0BWjoQKURAnfNAKCFCM+2bfHeKeZ7C30FEN9JA9Hs9gCbBvz+ bx6w3GRnOu2VooKIj+jAZNs= =ThUf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 17: 4:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C378337B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:04:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6AD43FCB for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:04:44 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:200:92ff:fe9b:20e7]) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h1G14cUc069358 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:04:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely9.cicely.de (cicely9.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301:210:5aff:fe30:1c1a]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1G14aFO014388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:04:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: from cicely9.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely9.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1G14ZXW051373; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:04:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ticso@cicely9.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely9.cicely.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1G14YPO051372; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:04:34 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:04:33 +0100 From: Bernd Walter To: Kris Kennaway Cc: Dag-Erling Smorgrav , alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lots of signal 11's? Message-ID: <20030216010432.GL26318@cicely9.cicely.de> Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de References: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030215234455.GA24533@rot13.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030215234455.GA24533@rot13.obsecurity.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely9.cicely.de 5.0-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 03:44:55PM -0800, Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 12:33:59AM +0100, Dag-Erling Smorgrav wrote: > > Kris Kennaway writes: > > > Has anyone else started seeing lots of sig11's on recent -current? > > > > Could it be related to the gcc upgrade? > > It's possible. I was interested in knowing whether anyone else is > seeing it, or if it's something local. I localy run -current from the 8th feb without such problems. This was shortly before the gcc update. -- B.Walter COSMO-Project http://www.cosmo-project.de ticso@cicely.de Usergroup info@cosmo-project.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 17:11: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FFA37B405 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from duke.cs.duke.edu (duke.cs.duke.edu [152.3.140.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D46643FBF for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 17:11:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) Received: from grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (grasshopper.cs.duke.edu [152.3.145.30]) by duke.cs.duke.edu (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1G1Ax8I021563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:10:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gallatin@localhost) by grasshopper.cs.duke.edu (8.11.6/8.9.1) id h1G1As040136; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:10:54 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from gallatin@cs.duke.edu) From: Andrew Gallatin MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15950.58654.676263.426430@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 20:10:54 -0500 (EST) To: Kris Kennaway Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lots of signal 11's? In-Reply-To: <20030216010015.GA41497@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> <15950.57680.446989.260723@grasshopper.cs.duke.edu> <20030216010015.GA41497@rot13.obsecurity.org> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under 21.1 (patch 12) "Channel Islands" XEmacs Lucid Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Kris Kennaway writes: > On Sat, Feb 15, 2003 at 07:54:40PM -0500, Andrew Gallatin wrote: > > > > Dag-Erling Smorgrav writes: > > > Kris Kennaway writes: > > > > Has anyone else started seeing lots of sig11's on recent -current? > > > > > > Could it be related to the gcc upgrade? > > > > > > > I was more afraid it might be somehow related to that UMA panic you > > reported last week. Did you make any progress on that? > > I don't remember precisely which one that was, but I think the last I > heard was that jeff had some ideas about it, but no fix yet. This one was an assert failing early in boot because some zone got trashed. Drew To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 18:58:35 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D85C37B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:58:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from dove.penix.org (dove.penix.org [216.144.7.82]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936C743F75 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 18:58:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dp@dove.penix.org) Received: from dove.penix.org (dp@localhost.nls.net [127.0.0.1]) by dove.penix.org (8.12.6/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h1G2wVlW029308; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:58:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dp@dove.penix.org) Received: from localhost (dp@localhost) by dove.penix.org (8.12.6/8.12.2/Submit) with ESMTP id h1G2wV8p029305; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:58:31 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from dp@dove.penix.org) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 21:58:31 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Halliday To: Kris Kennaway Cc: alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Lots of signal 11's? In-Reply-To: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> Message-ID: <20030215215150.V29290@dove.penix.org> References: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Has anyone else started seeing lots of sig11's on recent -current? > I'm getting this on all of my alpha package machines: > I have on this recently updated 5.0-Release box. pid 489 (login), uid 0: exited on signal 11 (core dumped) also, blackbox, X, bbrun, gkrellm, and the odd cc on a port build. *shrug* -ph > Feb 15 14:39:22 axp0 kernel: pid 6101 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > Feb 15 14:39:22 axp0 kernel: pid 6105 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > Feb 15 14:39:22 axp0 kernel: pid 6109 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > Feb 15 14:39:23 axp0 kernel: pid 6113 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > Feb 15 14:39:23 axp0 kernel: pid 6117 (fetch), uid 0: exited on signal 11 > ... > > sshd is also dumping core on some of them. I've rebuilt the machines > a couple of times, but still get this problem. I haven't yet obtained > a debugging traceback of fetch or tried rolling back to an older > -current. > > Kris > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-alpha Sat Feb 15 19:31: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE22637B401 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [193.197.184.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CFD843FA3 for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 19:30:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with gbsmtp id 18kFW5-0006Ng-01; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 04:30:57 +0100 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h1G2aAt0012521 for ; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 03:36:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h1G2aAkK012520 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 16 Feb 2003 03:36:10 +0100 (CET) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: Lots of signal 11's? Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 02:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20030215224143.GA21031@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030215234455.GA24533@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030216010432.GL26318@cicely9.cicely.de> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Bernd Walter wrote: > I localy run -current from the 8th feb without such problems. > This was shortly before the gcc update. I run -CURRENT from Feb ~5, and I don't see any of the problems mentioned here lately. However, I can sooner or later lock up the box--well, all disk accesses--with something like this: