From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 7:30:39 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F45337B404 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0792E43F3F for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 07:30:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 8AC835308; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:30:34 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: David Kelly Cc: Jonathon McKitrick , freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: When does it make sense for a company to open-source its code? From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:30:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <200303152025.23590.dkelly@HiWAAY.net> (David Kelly's message of "Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:25:23 -0600") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: <20030315225844.GA72313@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <200303152025.23590.dkelly@HiWAAY.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org David Kelly writes: > If I'm not mistaken, the I/O hardware for the data collection industry > has pretty much unified and standardized on clones of National > Intruments products? And somehow/someway yours differ? No, he said their system was based on GPIB which is the de facto standard you referred to - but GPIB is not much more than a physical interface and (possibly) a transport protocol. What you do with the data is a whole 'nother cup of tea. For instance, quite often you need to repeat the same experiment or analysis over and over again with different samples and / or slightly different parameters, so you want some kind of GUI that controls the hardware, shows a summary of the results, tells the operator to "insert next sample and press any key to continue", possibly even automates changing the parameters for every run. Such a GUI can make the difference between three and thirty experiments a day, which can be make-or-break for the user (a friend of mine used to work for *the one* lab that analyses soil and manure samples from *all of Norway* every spring, you can imagine the kind of pressure they're under when farmers depend on those results to determine the kind and amount of fertilizers they will need for that year's crop) DES -- Dag-Erling Smorgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 12:14: 1 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5D437B401 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EE443F85 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:13:59 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18ueW6-0004Bw-00; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:13:58 +0000 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h2GKDvPe077839; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:13:57 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2GKDu0f077835; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:13:56 GMT Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:13:55 +0000 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Cc: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When does it make sense for a company to open-source its code? Message-ID: <20030316201355.GA77801@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <0HBT00H6WFNMOC@net.WAU.NL> <20030316052400.GJ41628@over-yonder.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030316052400.GJ41628@over-yonder.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18ueW6-0004Bw-00*uVQr6fm9ang* Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 11:24:00PM -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: : On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 01:21:05AM +0100 I heard the voice of : Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek, and lo! it spake thus: : > : > All the advantages will point to the fact that behind every Open Source : > software-project a huge supporting community stands. That is always a nice : > idea for a company. : : Behing every _SUCCESSFUL_ open source software project, is how that : should read. : : One of Terry's favorite themes to harp on; that community is the biggest : asset of an open source project, but you can't magic a community into : being by waving a magic wand and saying, "Abracadabra, this code is open : source." Well, that's true. Anyone interested in using the code would need our instrument, or something a lot like it. That would imply we would have a small community, especially since up until now our software has been Windows based. Jonathon -- For Sale: French Army rifle. Never fired, dropped once. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sun Mar 16 16: 9:48 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B2137B401 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:09:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from vador.skynet.be (vador.skynet.be [195.238.3.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EB743FA3 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:09:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (61.140-200-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.200.140.61]) by vador.skynet.be (8.12.8/8.12.8/Skynet-OUT-2.21) with ESMTP id h2H08kY9007956; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 01:09:08 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0HBT00H6WFNMOC@net.WAU.NL> References: <0HBT00H6WFNMOC@net.WAU.NL> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:43:45 +0100 To: FST777@phreaker.net From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: When does it make sense for a company to open-source its code? Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, Jonathon McKitrick Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 1:21 AM +0100 2003/03/16, Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek wrote: > one thing is that a huge part of the testing / bug-reporting, porting and > enhancing can be done for free. Another thing is that people get to know > the name of the company easier. Just to name a few. Expecially if the > involved company makes its internal-used software Open Source and some > expensive "sale-ware" binary. If you look at the traditional software development model, there is a ramp-up at the beginning, a big hump during initial development, a slow ramp down as the project progresses towards release, and then a long tail as the project enters the "maintenance" phase. Going through multiple revisions of a project will tend to cause this same cycle all over again, but at lower levels than the initial development effort. During the initial phase, short-term expenses are high, and you have to do work on things that many open-source developers won't or can't do. These are things relatively easily solved by companies that can afford to pay for development. However, during the maintenance phase, most find that the ongoing cost of support is quite a bit higher than the initial development costs, high enough that they can bankrupt companies that are not properly prepared. This is something that open-source communities can handle much better. Doing a mixed model really is the best choice for both communities. The company gets to avoid paying most of the ongoing maintenance & support costs for the software (that cost is instead born by the open-source community itself). OTOH, the open-source community gets features implemented (by the company) which would not otherwise have seen the light of day (I'm sure you can find many more examples than I can think of, but consider all the work that was done for the Whistle InterJet and which was contributed to FreeBSD). This really is the best of both worlds. You *can* eat your cake and have it too. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 4:33: 0 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E237B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:32:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8A6543FAF for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 04:32:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18utnU-0004tU-00; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:32:56 +0000 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h2HCWuPe082322; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:32:56 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2HCWtwb082321; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:32:55 GMT Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:32:55 +0000 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: Brad Knowles Cc: FST777@phreaker.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: When does it make sense for a company to open-source its code? Message-ID: <20030317123254.GA82269@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <0HBT00H6WFNMOC@net.WAU.NL> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18utnU-0004tU-00*rwBLBSQrF32* Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:43:45AM +0100, Brad Knowles wrote: : Doing a mixed model really is the best choice for both communities. : : The company gets to avoid paying most of the ongoing maintenance : & support costs for the software (that cost is instead born by the : open-source community itself). : : OTOH, the open-source community gets features implemented (by the : company) which would not otherwise have seen the light of day (I'm : sure you can find many more examples than I can think of, but : consider all the work that was done for the Whistle InterJet and : which was contributed to FreeBSD). That certainly sounds like it makes sense. The only catch for our application is it is market specific, and would have limited interest at this point. However, as *nix and OSS catches on, there will more than likely be more interest as education institutions promote using OSS for solutions. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 5:17:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8652B37B404 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:17:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from picard.skynet.be (picard.skynet.be [195.238.3.88]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138F743FA3 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 05:17:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (105.195-200-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.200.195.105]) by picard.skynet.be (8.12.8/8.12.8/Skynet-OUT-2.21) with ESMTP id h2HDGlEJ014100; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:16:48 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@pop.skynet.be Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20030317123254.GA82269@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> References: <0HBT00H6WFNMOC@net.WAU.NL> <20030317123254.GA82269@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:14:59 +0100 To: Jonathon McKitrick From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: When does it make sense for a company to open-source its code? Cc: Brad Knowles , FST777@phreaker.net, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org At 12:32 PM +0000 2003/03/17, Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > That certainly sounds like it makes sense. The only catch for our > application is it is market specific, and would have limited interest at > this point. You are correct. Making a mixed approach work requires a sufficiently large market that they can adequately take on the bulk of the support role, once the project goes into the maintenance phase. If you don't have a market that large, then you might have a problem. A smaller market could be made to work, if they are given a larger sense of control and investment, so that they could make the tool(s) more flexible and meet a broader range of needs. This way, they get more involved in the development aspects as well as maintenance. However, even if you've got a large enough market, if they're not already in a medium that lends itself to open source methods, it may take a while to "prime" the pump. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. 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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:21:55 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303180921.55214.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I recently got an email with this as the subject line (it was spam). Does anyone know what ISO-8859-3 is, maybe even a useful RFC on it? Subject: =?ISO-8859-3?B?amFjb2IsbG9zZSB3ZWlnaHQgbm93IC0gc3ByaW5nIHdpbGwgYmUgaG?= ta - jacob -- Jacob Rhoden Phone: +61 3 8344 6102 ITS Division Email: jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au Melbourne University Mobile: +61 403 788 386 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 14:55:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B9C837B407 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:55:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3167B43F85 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:55:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18v3VZ-0007qJ-00; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:55:05 -0800 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:55:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: JacobRhoden Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wtf... strange encoded subject.. In-Reply-To: <200303180921.55214.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, JacobRhoden wrote: > I recently got an email with this as the subject line (it was spam). Does > anyone know what ISO-8859-3 is, maybe even a useful RFC on it? http://www.google.com/search?q=ISO-8859-3+RFC When I searched the first link showed "The ISO 8859 Alphabet Soup" and said that that is used with Esperanto (eo) and Maltese (mt). And it has links to RFCs... Jeremy C. Reed http://bsd.reedmedia.net/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 15:12: 8 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26B3737B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:12:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2366743F85 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:12:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au) Received: from elkanah.its.unimelb.edu.au (elkanah.its.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.18.41]) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2HNC1cl000759; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:12:01 +1100 (EST) From: JacobRhoden Organization: University of Melbourne To: "Jeremy C. Reed" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wtf... strange encoded subject.. Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:12:01 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303181012.01500.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:55 am, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > http://www.google.com/search?q=ISO-8859-3+RFC > > When I searched the first link showed "The ISO 8859 Alphabet Soup" and > said that that is used with Esperanto (eo) and Maltese (mt). And it has > links to RFCs... *chuckle* search google is normally the first thing I tell people to do. Thanks, sometimes if something is really complicated i dont think to google. - jacob Jacob Rhoden Phone: +61 3 8344 6102 ITS Division Email: jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au Melbourne University Mobile: +61 403 788 386 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 19:57:46 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D996437B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B5443F3F for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:57:45 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0217.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.217] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18v8ER-0002iO-00; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:57:43 -0800 Message-ID: <3E7698E6.F99B806C@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:56:22 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JacobRhoden Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: wtf... strange encoded subject.. References: <200303180921.55214.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a43f68e6a0fb7949f13c4b324f20edc82f3ca473d225a0f487350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org JacobRhoden wrote: > I recently got an email with this as the subject line (it was spam). Does > anyone know what ISO-8859-3 is, maybe even a useful RFC on it? > > Subject: > =?ISO-8859-3?B?amFjb2IsbG9zZSB3ZWlnaHQgbm93IC0gc3ByaW5nIHdpbGwgYmUgaG?= ISO-8859-3 is the same as US ASCII for the lower 7 bits. Just edit it in your mailbox and change the "3" to a "1", if you want to get most of the sense of it (All ISO-8859-X character sets are US ASCII -- ISO-646 -- for the lower 7 bits). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 20:22:10 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843E737B404 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:22:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.20.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBCB443F75 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:22:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au) Received: from elkanah.its.unimelb.edu.au (elkanah.its.unimelb.edu.au [128.250.18.41]) by ariel.ucs.unimelb.edu.au (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2I4M4cl010158 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:22:04 +1100 (EST) From: JacobRhoden Organization: University of Melbourne To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wtf... strange encoded subject.. Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:22:04 +1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <200303180921.55214.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> <3E7698E6.F99B806C@mindspring.com> In-Reply-To: <3E7698E6.F99B806C@mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200303181522.04254.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:56 pm, Terry Lambert wrote: > JacobRhoden wrote: > > I recently got an email with this as the subject line (it was spam). Does > > anyone know what ISO-8859-3 is, maybe even a useful RFC on it? > Just edit it in your mailbox and change the "3" to a "1", if you > want to get most of the sense of it (All ISO-8859-X character sets > are US ASCII -- ISO-646 -- for the lower 7 bits). A search on the web and my email database, indicates that every email using that character set is using it to hide the origional characters from spam checking software. I am now going to have to update my spam script *sigh* (Just search for ISO-8859-3 in google and you will have ample instructions on how to lose weight or enhance a body part). Jacob Rhoden Phone: +61 3 8344 6102 ITS Division Email: jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au Melbourne University Mobile: +61 403 788 386 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Mon Mar 17 20:36:17 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C74137B401 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:36:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net (bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9264E43FB1 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:36:15 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0217.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.217] helo=mindspring.com) by bluejay.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18v8ph-0007LT-00; Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:36:13 -0800 Message-ID: <3E76A1E9.1B838EB5@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 20:34:49 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JacobRhoden Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: wtf... strange encoded subject.. References: <200303180921.55214.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> <3E7698E6.F99B806C@mindspring.com> <200303181522.04254.jrhoden@unimelb.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4797becd7d142051cd4830e285f25206c387f7b89c61deb1d350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org JacobRhoden wrote: > > Just edit it in your mailbox and change the "3" to a "1", if you > > want to get most of the sense of it (All ISO-8859-X character sets > > are US ASCII -- ISO-646 -- for the lower 7 bits). > > A search on the web and my email database, indicates that every email using > that character set is using it to hide the origional characters from spam > checking software. I am now going to have to update my spam script *sigh* If this is the case, your mail software should have translated it into plain text for you anyway, since it contains no 8-bit characters. You need new mail software. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 18 5:30:37 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B2937B404 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [193.197.184.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDAD43F75 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:30:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (uucp@) by mail.inka.de with gbsmtp id 18vHAn-000874-00; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:30:33 +0100 Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.8/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h2ICwbaO059093 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:58:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from mailnull@localhost.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h2ICwb15059092 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:58:37 +0100 (CET) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Subject: Re: When does it make sense for a company to open-source its code? Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <20030315225844.GA72313@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Jonathon McKitrick wrote: > What might be some guidelines to follow to decide what should be made open > source (BSD license) and what should be binary-only? Could we practically > do both? Eric S. Raymond, "The Magic Cauldron" http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/magic-cauldron/ -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 18 11:53:31 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C07F37B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:53:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr (ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr [163.178.60.51]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A2E343F93 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:53:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fabmirha@ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr) Received: by ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr (Postfix, from userid 5481) id CAAF31FFB6; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:20:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.isi.ulatina.ac.cr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B8E2BEC9 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:20:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:20:27 -0600 (CST) From: Fabio Miranda Hamburger To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Offtopic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi, I have a couple of question: 1. A technique for an intruder to keep a root account was creating a stuid root shell, that is not possible on FreeBSD nowadays, Why is not possible? How a program like sudo can do that? Foe example, If i am a sudo 'full admin' I can do this without passwd: %sudo su # 2. I coded a program that read a wordlist and prints them: char str1[64]; ... while(!(feof(FooPtr)){ fscanf(FooPtr,"%s\n",str1); .. printf("%c",str1[x]); ... If the "character" I going to printf is alpha or numeric, there is NO problem, but if i am going to print an space, it core dumps... Why this happens? How can I solve this? FreeBSD rules forever! --- Fabio Andres Miranda Ingenieria de sistemas informaticos Universidad Latina - Costa Rica To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 18 14: 5:50 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E23E37B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:05:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from flood.ping.uio.no (flood.ping.uio.no [129.240.78.31]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 400CF43FA3 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:05:48 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from des@ofug.org) Received: by flood.ping.uio.no (Postfix, from userid 2602) id 7805D5308; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:05:45 +0100 (CET) X-URL: http://www.ofug.org/~des/ X-Disclaimer: The views expressed in this message do not necessarily coincide with those of any organisation or company with which I am or have been affiliated. To: Fabio Miranda Hamburger Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Offtopic From: des@ofug.org (Dag-Erling =?iso-8859-1?q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:05:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Fabio Miranda Hamburger's message of "Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:20:27 -0600 (CST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.090015 (Oort Gnus v0.15) Emacs/21.2 References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Fabio Miranda Hamburger writes: > Hi, I have a couple of question: Please ask them on questions@freebsd.org. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@ofug.org To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Mar 18 14:57:29 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC5037B401 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:57:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D1943FD7 for ; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:57:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0203.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.198.203] helo=mindspring.com) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18vQ13-0003nN-00; Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:57:05 -0800 Message-ID: <3E77A3EF.DDB9B625@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:55:43 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabio Miranda Hamburger Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Offtopic References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a4269d7941fb68a56556f59451646320e8667c3043c0873f7e350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Fabio Miranda Hamburger wrote: > 1. A technique for an intruder to keep a root account was creating a stuid > root shell, that is not possible on FreeBSD nowadays, Why is not possible? POSIX saved IDs. - Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Mar 19 6:59:33 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4BA837B407; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw.cscoms.com (mailgw.cscoms.com [202.183.255.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14134402B; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:59:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wowwwhealthy@thaimail.com) Received: from cscoms.com (mail.cscoms.com [202.183.255.23]) by mailgw.cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h2JEtYil003788; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:55:34 +0700 (ICT) Received: from ME (dial-255.ras-7.bkk.c.cscoms.com [203.170.141.193]) by cscoms.com (8.12.8/8.12.3) with SMTP id h2JEqlwo000954; Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:52:49 +0700 (GMT) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:52:47 +0700 (GMT) Message-Id: <200303191452.h2JEqlwo000954@cscoms.com> From: wowwwhealthy@thaimail.com Subject: ท่านทราบหรือไม่ว่าคนอ้วนจะเสี่ยงต่อการเป็นเบาหวานมากกว่าคนน้ำหนักปกติถึง 30 เท่า X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Reply-To: wowwwhealthy@thaimail.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="#MYBOUNDARY#" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-milter (http://amavis.org/) To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --#MYBOUNDARY# Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ansi Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit คนไทยกำลังเป็นโรคอ้วนมากขึ้นทุกที พ.อ.หญิง รศ. พ.ญ. พรฑิตา ชัยอำนวย ผู้อำนวยการเวชศาสตร์ฟื้นฟู โรงพยาบาลพระมงกุฏเกล้า บรรยายเรื่อง "กินอย่างไรให้ห่างไกลโรคหัวใจและโรคอ้วน" ในตอนหนึ่งของการบรรยาย ผู้บรรยายกล่าวว่า "สิ่งที่พึงตระหนักคือ ผู้ชายไม่ควรให้รอบเอวเกิน 36 นิ้ว หญิงไม่ควรเกิน 32 นิ้ว ถ้ามากกว่านี้ต้องเร่งลดน้ำหนัก" เพราะถ้าหากท่านวัดรอบเอวแล้วได้ตัวเลขเกินกว่ามาตราฐานนี้ แสดงว่าท่านกำลังเป็นโรคอ้วน คนเป็นโรคอ้วนมีความเสี่ยงที่จะต้อง พบกับโรคร้ายต่างๆ มากมาย นับตั้งแต่ โรคหัวใจ เบาหวาน ไขมันในเลือดสูง ความดันโลหิตสูง อัมพาต และท่านอาจจะหยุดหายใจขณะหลับ จนเกิดภาวะพร่องออกซิเจน ตื่นนอนจะมีอาการมึน เป็นต้อหินง่ายเนื่องจากเลือดขาดออกซิเจน เป็นโรคข้อ เพราะแบกรับน้ำหนักมาก เป็นเกาต์ มะเร็ง นิ่วในถุงน้ำดี มีลูกยาก โรคเกี่ยวกับระบบหายใจ โรคถุงน้ำดี ท่านทราบหรือไม่ว่าคนอ้วนจะเสี่ยงต่อการเป็นเบาหวานมากกว่าคนน้ำหนักปกติถึง 30 เท่า เสี่ยงเป็นโรคหลอดเลือดหัวใจตีบกว่าคนทั่วไป 15 เท่า โรคอัมพาต 11 เท่า โรคมะเร็งลำไส้ 2 เท่า คนเป็นโรคอ้วนเป็นโรคร้ายตายง่ายอย่างนี้ถ้าไม่เรียกคนที่มีรอบเอวเกินมาตราฐานว่า รอบเอวมรณะ แล้วจะเรียกว่าอะไรล่ะครับ วิธีถอดห่วงยาง (ลดเอว) คุณหมอบอกว่า วิธีรักษาโรคอ้วนสามารถทำได้ด้วยการควบคุมแคลอรีของอาหารที่รับประทาน คือพยายามให้ลดลงวันละ 600 แคลอรี ซึ่งภายใน 7 วันท่านจะสามารถลดน้ำหนักได้0.6 กิโลกรัม เพราะไขมัน 1 กิโลกรัม เท่ากับ 7,000 แคลอรี ประการที่สำคัญ ต้องออกกำลังกายอย่างสม่ำเสมอทุกวันครับ อย่างน้อย 20 นาที ถ้าออกกำลังกายได้ 60 นาทีจะยิ่งเป็นผลดี คุณหมอบอกว่าเราควรให้สนใจใฝ่ศึกษาหาความรู้ด้านโภชนาการให้มาก ๆ คือให้ศึกษาว่าอาหารชนิดไหนให้พลังงานน้อย พลังมากแค่ไหน และ ควรสร้างความสุขที่ได้บริโภคอาหารไขมันต่ำ ๆ ในการรับประทานอาหารควรเคี้ยวให้ช้าๆ จะรู้สึกอิ่มทั้งๆ ที่บริโภคน้อย อ้อ ! 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To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I have been a FreeBSD user for oh I say about a year now and love FreeBSD alot. I get mad at it sometimes but ALWAYS come back to FreeBSD within *HOURS* so I will always love freebsd. I have been wondering over to the OpenBSD side these past few weeks. OpenBSD sounds really interesting and I really want to try it out very bad. Don't have the money to buy a CD right now and the damn floppies wont work for some strange reason. I know its a strange question to ask people but would someone happen to have a OpenBSD 3.2 (Only 3.2 please) CD(s) that they wouldn't mind sending me? I would really appreciate it if I found someone that would do this for me. Please Cc: me because I am not subscribed to the -chat mailing list right now. Updating my FreeBSD box and having installed Sylpheed yet so. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 21 13:39:52 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFD837B401 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:39:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from globalhead.caustic.org (ip-66-80-5-169.dsl.sca.megapath.net [66.80.5.169]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F6343F85 for ; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:39:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Received: from pogo.caustic.org (caustic.org [63.150.14.250]) by globalhead.caustic.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LLdnhl021684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from pogo.caustic.org (localhost.caustic.org [IPv6:::1]) by pogo.caustic.org (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h2LLdniV021815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) Received: from localhost (jan@localhost) by pogo.caustic.org (8.12.8/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h2LLdn6T021812; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jan@caustic.org) X-Authentication-Warning: pogo.caustic.org: jan owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:39:49 -0800 (PST) From: "f.johan.beisser" To: bryan cassidy Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone have any? In-Reply-To: <20030321192616.63416.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20030321133923.I613-100000@pogo.caustic.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, bryan cassidy wrote: > Please Cc: me because I am not subscribed to the -chat > mailing list right now. Updating my FreeBSD box and > having installed Sylpheed yet so. why are you asking this on FreeBSD-chat? -------/ f. johan beisser /--------------------------------------+ http://caustic.org/~jan jan@caustic.org "Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends." -- Tom Waits To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 21 18:22:49 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1021637B401; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from probity.mcc.ac.uk (probity.mcc.ac.uk [130.88.200.94]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048FA43FBD; Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:22:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org ([130.88.200.97]) by probity.mcc.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18wYej-0000uh-00; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:22:45 +0000 Received: from dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.11.1) with ESMTP id h2M2MjPe025155; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:22:45 GMT (envelope-from jcm@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org) Received: (from jcm@localhost) by dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id h2M2Mjrp025154; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:22:45 GMT Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:22:45 +0000 From: Jonathon McKitrick To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Best RAD for FreeBSD? Message-ID: <20030322022245.GA25130@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *18wYej-0000uh-00*.z/xUp6zmX2* Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi all, I'm looking at a few Rapid Development Environments for FreeBSD to port a some apps that range from serial port-based comm drivers to graphing data acquisition applications. What do you think would be easiest? I like what I have seen in GNUstep/Objective C, but I am open to ideas, especially since the GNUstep platform seems to have some glitches and performance issues. QT seems decent, as well as GTK, but I don't know which is easiest to use AND most likely to be around for a while. I have been using MFC so far, which _does_ have nice GUI design tools and classes. Beyond that, I would be on my own. Is anything available on FreeBSD that would be comparable? NOTE: Please CC me, as I am not currently subscribed. Thanks. jm -- My other computer is your windows box. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 22 3:21: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF33337B405 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from galadriel.bravenet.com (galadriel.bravenet.com [65.39.176.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C048043FB1 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:20:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bravenet_return@bravenet.com) Received: from frubo.vc.bravenet.com (frubo.vc.bravenet.com [172.16.0.81]) by galadriel.bravenet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ED618905F for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by frubo.vc.bravenet.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id D39E5188EAB; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:20:56 -0800 (PST) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Confirm your subscription Received: from [203.134.131.199] by bravenet.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:20:56 -0800 From: steve@themovieglobe.com X-Usernum: 4280452265 X-IPAddy: 203.134.131.199 Message-Id: <20030322112056.D39E5188EAB@frubo.vc.bravenet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:20:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mailing List Subscription Confirmation *** Confirmation required *** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ You have been invited to join our mailing list. 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PLEASE CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO CONFIRM YOUR SUBSCRIPTION: http://pub50.bravenet.com/elist/add.php?usernum=4280452265&id=4538301 IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO SUBSCRIBE DO NOT CLICK THE LINK: If this message was sent in error, please disregard it and no further email will be sent to you on this subject. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bravenet.com ~ free webtools for webmasters ~ http://www.bravenet.com/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 22 3:38:28 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B0B37B401 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:38:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from galadriel.bravenet.com (galadriel.bravenet.com [65.39.176.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B408A43F3F for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:38:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bravenet_return@bravenet.com) Received: from frubo.vc.bravenet.com (frubo.vc.bravenet.com [172.16.0.81]) by galadriel.bravenet.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A02C188E9F for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:38:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by frubo.vc.bravenet.com (Postfix, from userid 500) id 9087D188E90; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:38:26 -0800 (PST) To: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Welcome to the Movieglobe Mailing List Received: from [213.44.126.228] by bravenet.com with HTTP; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:38:26 -0800 From: steve@themovieglobe.com X-Usernum: 4280452265 X-IPAddy: 213.44.126.228 Message-Id: <20030322113826.9087D188E90@frubo.vc.bravenet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:38:26 -0800 (PST) Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org You have been added to the list. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 22 4:43: 2 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D16137B401 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 04:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from net.wau.nl (NET.WAU.NL [137.224.10.12]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A3D43F75 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 04:43:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from FST777@phreaker.net) Received: from asser079.athome239.wau.nl (asser079.athome239.wau.nl [137.224.239.79]) by net.WAU.NL (PMDF V5.2-32 #38746) with ESMTP id <0HC500G22HZMI8@net.WAU.NL> for chat@freebsd.org; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:42:58 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 13:42:55 +0100 (CET) From: "Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek" Subject: Re: Confirm your subscription To: chat@freebsd.org Cc: steve@themovieglobe.com Reply-To: FST777@phreaker.net Message-id: <0HC500G23HZMI8@net.WAU.NL> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Spruce 0.6.5 for X11 w/smtpio 0.7.9 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Do we like this? On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, steve@themovieglobe.com wrote: > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:20:56 -0800 (PST) > To: chat@freebsd.org > From: steve@themovieglobe.com > Subject: Confirm your subscription > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mailing List Subscription Confirmation > *** Confirmation required *** > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > You have been invited to join our mailing list. > > This list has a double optin feature so you must go to the URL listed > below > to finish joining this list. This is a safeguard for you. > > PLEASE CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO CONFIRM YOUR SUBSCRIPTION: > http://pub50.bravenet.com/elist/add.php?usernum=4280452265&id=4538301 > > IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO SUBSCRIBE DO NOT CLICK THE LINK: > If this message was sent in error, please disregard it and no further > email > will be sent to you on this subject. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bravenet.com ~ free webtools for webmasters ~ http://www.bravenet.com/ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 22 7:16: 6 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F0537B401 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:16:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBF643FB1 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:16:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from 401.cx (rocky [192.168.0.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.12.8/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h2MFFBXF047907; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:15:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <3E7C7EBB.9050001@401.cx> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:18:19 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FST777@phreaker.net Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG, steve@themovieglobe.com Subject: Re: Confirm your subscription References: <0HC500G23HZMI8@net.WAU.NL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org *Fixed some bad top posting* Frans-Jan v. Steenbeek wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, steve@themovieglobe.com wrote: > >>Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 03:20:56 -0800 (PST) >>To: chat@freebsd.org >>From: steve@themovieglobe.com >>Subject: Confirm your subscription >> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>Mailing List Subscription Confirmation >>*** Confirmation required *** >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >>You have been invited to join our mailing list. >> >>This list has a double optin feature so you must go to the URL listed >>below >>to finish joining this list. This is a safeguard for you. >> >>PLEASE CLICK THE LINK BELOW TO CONFIRM YOUR SUBSCRIPTION: >>http://pub50.bravenet.com/elist/add.php?usernum=4280452265&id=4538301 >> >>IF YOU DO NOT WISH TO SUBSCRIBE DO NOT CLICK THE LINK: >>If this message was sent in error, please disregard it and no further >>email >>will be sent to you on this subject. >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Bravenet.com ~ free webtools for webmasters ~ http://www.bravenet.com/ >> >> >>To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org >>with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message > > > Do we like this? I can only speak for myself, but I for one certainly does not like it. Unfortunally, judging by the confirmation the list received shortly after this post, some a-hole did click the link. If people dont want to subscribe their own email address, then why dont they get a hotmail or other free throwaway account instead of subscribing the entire list? Just makes no sense to me. -- R To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 22 7:19: 9 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A27A637B401 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:19:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [66.11.174.150]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB07743F85 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 07:19:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [192.168.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD673D29; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:19:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Dan Langille" To: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:19:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Confirm your subscription Cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3E7C389A.21315.13F4076D@localhost> In-reply-to: <3E7C7EBB.9050001@401.cx> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On 22 Mar 2003 at 16:18, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote: > If people dont want to subscribe their own email address, then > why dont they get a hotmail or other free throwaway account > instead of subscribing the entire list? Just makes no sense to me. They don't want to be subscribed. They are trying to bother us, the freebsd-chat subscribers. Ignore them. They'll get bored and go away. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-chat Sat Mar 22 16:24:45 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA52D37B401 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:24:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (haakonia.hitnet.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.181.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9EF43FA3 for ; Sat, 22 Mar 2003 16:24:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from chris@unixpages.org) Received: from gondor.middleearth (gondor.middleearth [192.168.1.42]) by haakonia.hitnet.rwth-aachen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C13A91E; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:24:42 +0100 (CET) Received: by gondor.middleearth (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4ADAD466F; Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:24:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:24:40 +0100 From: Christian Brueffer To: bryan cassidy Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyone have any? Message-ID: <20030323002440.GC36490@unixpages.org> References: <20030321192616.63416.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="kVXhAStRUZ/+rrGn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030321192616.63416.qmail@web10703.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.0-CURRENT X-PGP-Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --kVXhAStRUZ/+rrGn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 11:26:16AM -0800, bryan cassidy wrote: > I have been a FreeBSD user for oh I say about a year > now and love FreeBSD alot. I get mad at it sometimes > but ALWAYS come back to FreeBSD within *HOURS* so I > will always love freebsd. I have been wondering over > to the OpenBSD side these past few weeks. OpenBSD > sounds really interesting and I really want to try it > out very bad. Don't have the money to buy a CD right > now and the damn floppies wont work for some strange > reason. I know its a strange question to ask people > but would someone happen to have a OpenBSD 3.2 (Only > 3.2 please) CD(s) that they wouldn't mind sending me? > I would really appreciate it if I found someone that > would do this for me.=20 >=20 > Please Cc: me because I am not subscribed to the -chat > mailing list right now. Updating my FreeBSD box and > having installed Sylpheed yet so. >=20 No one keeps you from creating your own OpenBSD CD, e.g. with the instructions on http://sage.uniforum.org.nz/bootable.html . There is plenty of other information on the web on how to do this. - Christian --=20 Christian Brueffer chris@unixpages.org brueffer@FreeBSD.org GPG Key: http://people.freebsd.org/~brueffer/brueffer.key.asc GPG Fingerprint: A5C8 2099 19FF AACA F41B B29B 6C76 178C A0ED 982D --kVXhAStRUZ/+rrGn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (FreeBSD) iD4DBQE+fP7IbHYXjKDtmC0RAvkBAKDMxVo9mVBziXM0fgmBVQKiYkh19QCWLSVt kAZTio4vK5a1ie6CX0zhxA== =yYKx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --kVXhAStRUZ/+rrGn-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message