From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 13:08:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D510616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from Espresso.NEEBU.Net (espresso.neebu.net [66.166.158.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B283F43D49 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:08:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from khuon@Espresso.NEEBU.Net) Received: from Espresso.NEEBU.Net (khuon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Espresso.NEEBU.Net (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBLL8Vic006911 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:08:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from Espresso.NEEBU.Net (khuon@localhost)hBLL8TgP006910 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:08:31 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200312212108.hBLL8TgP006910@Espresso.NEEBU.Net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 with nmh-1.0.4 From: "Jake Khuon" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Dcc: Action: Expires: Precedence: Priority: Normal X-Face: "(e&e|OIYrcV1x8y?txN%k1E2f[qWLjRjOn+a30)3>x`Wx%_9XiXs\IO2#G5L1m=c/|^h|z29wJ#]D/.?Ks,Mw1 X-URI: http://Espresso.NEEBU.Net/~khuon/ X-Organisation: Network Engineers for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation X-Header: /usr/include gives great headers X-System: Sun UltraSPARCstation2/2300MP running SunOS Release 5.8 X-Shell: tcsh 6.07.02 (Astron) 1996-10-27 (sparc-sun-solaris) options 8b,nls,dl,al,ng,rh X-Chtorr: History is full of revisionists. Where it used to say "THOU SHALT NOT KILL" it now says, "except as specified in section III-B, Paragraph 12, Sub-section D, Schedule 3." If that still doesn't suit you, wait till next year's commandments come out and trade it in for something that does. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 13:08:27 -0800 Sender: khuon@Espresso.NEEBU.Net Subject: disabling tapping on Thinkpad T-30 touchpad X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Reply-To: Jake Khuon List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:08:41 -0000 Anyone managed to figure out how to disable the stupid tapping event for the Thinkpad T-30's touchpad? I've tried the trick of remapping mouse4 to mouse5 with moused to no avail. Is there a good way to figure exactly what mouse button is reported by a tap? I tried using xev and it shows mouse1 button event but I'm not sure if that's an actual hardware event or just how X percieves it. -- /*===================[ Jake Khuon ]======================+ | Packet Plumber, Network Engineers /| / [~ [~ |) | | --------------- | | for Effective Bandwidth Utilisation / |/ [_ [_ |) |_| N E T W O R K S | +=========================================================================*/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 14:55:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C23D16A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:55:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from leviathan.inethouston.com (leviathan.inethouston.com [209.198.171.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB8443D3F for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:55:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwcjr@inethouston.net) Received: by leviathan.inethouston.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9881B2C906F; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:55:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 16:55:44 -0600 From: "David W. Chapman Jr." To: Subliminal ~ Message-ID: <20031221225544.GA85970@minubian.inethouston.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE i386 cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conexant HCF Modem X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "David W. Chapman Jr." List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:55:56 -0000 On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 01:13:23PM +0000, Subliminal ~ wrote: > I've read in another forum that people here have had success with Conexant > modems, although I havent found anything myself..... you can the ltmodem port in /usr/ports -- David W. Chapman Jr. dwcjr@inethouston.net Raintree Network Services, Inc. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 14:58:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D5616A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from p3.saignon.net (66-146-166-52.skyriver.net [66.146.166.52]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DBA43D5C for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:58:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@saign.com) Received: (qmail 17611 invoked by uid 1003); 21 Dec 2003 22:58:19 -0000 Received: from tony@saign.com by p3.saignon.net by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.20 (clamscan: 0.60. Clear:RC:0(66.146.166.53):. Processed in 0.020583 secs); 21 Dec 2003 22:58:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO frankenmobl.sdwireless.info) (tony@saign.com@66.146.166.53) by 66-146-166-52.skyriver.net with SMTP; 21 Dec 2003 22:58:19 -0000 From: Tony Saign To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200312201003.24767.racerx@makeworld.com> References: <20031220095214.KACS21446.shunit@shunit> <200312201003.24767.racerx@makeworld.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1072047493.1618.6.camel@frankenmobl.sdwireless.info> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:58:13 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: T23 -CURRENT question... X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:58:32 -0000 After my laptop is running for several days I sometimes receive the below in dmesg...Nothing seems to trigger it? lock order reversal 1st 0xc7480dec vm object (vm_object) @ /usr/src/sys/vm/swap_pager.c:1323 2nd 0xc07a89a0 swap_pager swhash (swap_pager swash) @ /usr/src/vm/swap_pager.c:1838 3rd 0xc1036948 vm object (vm object) @ /usr/src/sys/vm/uma_core.c:881 Is this a sign of memory problems? Seems to have little or no effect on the stability of my system... -Tony From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 21 20:10:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C141316A4CE for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:10:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from carver.gumbysoft.com (carver.gumbysoft.com [66.220.23.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503DE43D68 for ; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:10:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dwhite@gumbysoft.com) Received: by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4312A72DBF; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:10:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carver.gumbysoft.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40C2C72DB5; Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:10:02 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:10:02 -0800 (PST) From: Doug White To: Tony Saign In-Reply-To: <1072047493.1618.6.camel@frankenmobl.sdwireless.info> Message-ID: <20031221200752.L55059@carver.gumbysoft.com> References: <20031220095214.KACS21446.shunit@shunit> <200312201003.24767.racerx@makeworld.com> <1072047493.1618.6.camel@frankenmobl.sdwireless.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: T23 -CURRENT question... X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:10:06 -0000 On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Tony Saign wrote: > After my laptop is running for several days I sometimes receive the > below in dmesg...Nothing seems to trigger it? > lock order reversal This is telling you about a design problem with the referenced functions. The WITNESS system keeps track of lock usage and ensures that locks are freed in the reverse order in which they are acquired. You can remove 'options WITNESS' from your kernel if you want them to go away. As a bonus, disabling WITNESS can give you a 50-100% performance boost. Typically, though, LORs should be reported to -current if they are new and not previously reported. > 1st 0xc7480dec vm object (vm_object) @ > /usr/src/sys/vm/swap_pager.c:1323 > 2nd 0xc07a89a0 swap_pager swhash (swap_pager swash) @ > /usr/src/vm/swap_pager.c:1838 > 3rd 0xc1036948 vm object (vm object) @ /usr/src/sys/vm/uma_core.c:881 I believe this is one of the known cases. -- Doug White | FreeBSD: The Power to Serve dwhite@gumbysoft.com | www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 02:58:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3AB16A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:58:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5051943D3F for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:58:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtpzilla1.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBMAw3YR045048; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:58:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBMAw3hj003324; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:58:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wkb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id hBMAw2ri003323; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:58:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wkb) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:58:02 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: "David W. Chapman Jr." Message-ID: <20031222105802.GE3232@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20031221225544.GA85970@minubian.inethouston.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031221225544.GA85970@minubian.inethouston.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-OS: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org cc: Subliminal ~ cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Conexant HCF Modem X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:58:07 -0000 On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 04:55:44PM -0600, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: > On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 01:13:23PM +0000, Subliminal ~ wrote: > > I've read in another forum that people here have had success with Conexant > > modems, although I havent found anything myself..... > > you can the ltmodem port in /usr/ports Does not work with Conexant, is for another Win(loose)modem, I think for a Lucent chipset(?) -- | / o / /_ _ |/|/ / / /( (_) Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 02:59:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E1716A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:59:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.hccnet.nl (smtp.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DB543D54 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:59:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from d.wylie@hccnet.nl) Received: from webmail10.hccnet.nl by smtp.hccnet.nl via webmail10.hccnet.nl [62.251.0.62] with ESMTP id hBMAww19022777 (8.12.10/2.03); Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:58:58 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200312221058.hBMAww19022777@smtp.hccnet.nl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_----------=_1072090737459735" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 2.106 (A1.17; B2.12; Q2.03) Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:58:57 UT From: d.wylie@hccnet.nl To: darrylb_au44@yahoo.com.au cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Wireless Problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 10:59:08 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1072090737459735 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 3209 Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Content-Type: text/plain I could not get my ath 3com a/b/g card associated until I found that the asus 500g AP has an option to 'hide' or atleast not broadcast it's ssid for extra security. However, with it enabled, i.e. ssid hidden, the ath card will not associate. With the option disabled, i.e. broadcasting the ssid by the AP, association is fine. I'll give this a shot under W2K. Perhaps you have such an 'hidden' ssid option for the AP? grtz, Dylan > Kevin, > > Thanks to you and also the others who replied. I was > specifying the hexadecimal key correctly (my mistake > in my post) and the key was showing up in wicontrol. > I deleted it from the output posted. I know 64 bit > wep is not much protection but posting the key on a > newsgroup is probably not that good an idea. > > To test whether wep was to blame I actually disabled > wep on the access point and tried to connect. The > result was exactly the same. It seems that the card > is failing to associate for some reason. Any ideas > would be welcome. > > regards, > > Darryl Barlow > > --- Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: > Wed, 17 Dec 2003 23:25:22 +1100 (EST) > > > From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Darryl=20Barlow?= > > > > > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > > > > > Sorry to post about a problem with a desktop > > machine > > > but I may have more luck here given the problem is > > a > > > cardbus one. I have installed FreeBSD on a > > Desktop > > > Machine with a TI 1410 PCI Cardbus Bridge and an > > Avaya > > > Silver Wireless Network Card. > > > > > > The card connects perfectly to a D-Link Access > > Point > > > in Debian and even in Windows XP. However, in > > FreeBSD > > > there is "no carrier" no matter what I seem to > > try. > > > Troubleshooting help would be much appreciated. > > > > > > Device seems to come up with: > > > > > > ifconfig wi0 inet 192.168.4.8 netmask > > 255.255.255.0 > > > ssid HOME wepmode ON > > > wepkey 1234567890 > > > > Exactly how are you specifying the WEP key? Is it an > > ASCII string or a > > hex value? If it's a hex value, it needs to be > > entered as 0xnnnnnnn. If > > it's an ASCII string, it is entered as a quoted > > string, but there have > > been many issues with interoperability of ASCII > > strings and it is > > better from both an operational and security > > perspective to use a random > > hexadecimal numeric key. (I use /dev/random to > > generate my WEP keys.) > > > > Your wicontrol output looks OK. (Please don't > > auto-wrap pasted screen > > output, though!) It seems to see the AP and has > > reasonable > > signal strength, but it fails to associate and that > > makes me suspect the > > WEP key. Does the output of wicontrol REALLY have > > the key field empty? > > > > I certainly don't like the disk errors, either, but > > are not likely > > related to the network problem. > > -- > > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > (Berkeley Lab) > > E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > > > > > dmesg is as follows: [snipped] --_----------=_1072090737459735-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 22 04:16:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99BBE16A4CE for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:16:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.pelleg.org (gw.pelleg.org [205.201.13.235]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A467343D3F for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from daniel@pelleg.org) Received: from lank.here (lank.wburn [192.168.3.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA (168/168 bits)) (Client CN "gw.pelleg.org", Issuer "Dan Pelleg" (verified OK)) by gw.pelleg.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8215A53; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:15:55 -0500 (EST) Received: by lank.here (Postfix, from userid 7675) id 49433D1; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:15:53 -0500 (EST) To: Wilko Bulte References: <20031221225544.GA85970@minubian.inethouston.net> <20031222105802.GE3232@freebie.xs4all.nl> From: Dan Pelleg Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 07:15:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20031222105802.GE3232@freebie.xs4all.nl> (Wilko Bulte's message of "Mon, 22 Dec 2003 11:58:02 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.1 (Cuyahoga Valley, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: Subliminal ~ cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: smartlink modem support (WAS: Re: Conexant HCF Modem) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 12:16:00 -0000 Wilko Bulte writes: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 04:55:44PM -0600, David W. Chapman Jr. wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 01:13:23PM +0000, Subliminal ~ wrote: >> > I've read in another forum that people here have had success with Conexant >> > modems, although I havent found anything myself..... >> >> you can the ltmodem port in /usr/ports > > Does not work with Conexant, is for another Win(loose)modem, I think > for a Lucent chipset(?) > Only tangentially related, but does anyone have opinion on the feasibility of porting the slmodem code from linux? Smartlink people told me that for the latest 2.9 version "most of modem stuff is done as user-mode posix-style application". FWIW, source is at ftp://ftp.smlink.com/linux/unsupported/ -- Dan Pelleg From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 02:58:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E410016A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:58:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from web20603.mail.yahoo.com (web20603.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C4CB43D58 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 02:58:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from stockraser@yahoo.de) Message-ID: <20031223105831.16006.qmail@web20603.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [194.95.60.65] by web20603.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:58:31 CET Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 11:58:31 +0100 (CET) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael=20Gruner?= To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Install-Probs Acer TM 290 LCI X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:58:33 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to install FBSD 5.2-RC1 on an Acer TM290 LCI Notebook (Centrino-technology). I boot with the boot-only cdrom and stage 1, 2 and the loader is loaded. Then I get the screen where I can choose the boot method. But I don't have sucess choosing any of the boot-methods I have no success. The machine allways freezes at the same point (described under [1] by another user) I tryed to play around with some options on bootprompt but had no success at all. Hope you can give me some hints. thank you micha [1]http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=69ead92dd0267116e42c5428bf25bfd9.33792%40mygate.mailgate.org&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Dde%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26q%3Dfreebsd%2Bacer%2B290%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg%26meta%3D __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 08:22:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FE4816A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:22:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from web11501.mail.yahoo.com (web11501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7C38343D50 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from web_raptor.geo@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031223162231.49942.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.246.89.2] by web11501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:22:31 PST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) From: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: New install on Dell -- Need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:22:32 -0000 Hello... I just installed FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE on my Dell Inspiron 8200 last Friday and have been working to get things running. I know a little bit about FreeBSD from what I've picked out of the handbook, and from my past experience with Linux, but I'm still in the dark. I'm having a lot of ACPI troubles, and I'm wondering if anyone knows what the fix for the battery mis-read error is. I've disabled APM in my kernel config (according to some sources I've found it doesn't like playing nice with ACPI). Also, running GKrellM with tz0 enabled shows temp ranges from 125 to 160 degrees F... is there some way to fix this with scaling/offset options? I've already applied the ACPI patch to be rid of the error messages on boot, but I'm still working on those two problems listed above. ===== Encumbered forever by desire and ambition, There's a hunger still unsatisfied. Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon, Though down that road we've been so many times... - Pink Floyd, "High Hopes" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 09:04:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDAD716A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:04:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E545943D49 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:04:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper [212.12.50.230]) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.11.1) with ESMTP id hBNH4PEi057219 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:04:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id hBNH4PqU057218 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:04:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:04:25 -0500 From: Martin Cracauer To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031223120425.A56684@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Subject: Notebook recommendations and/or barebones kit experience? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:04:36 -0000 Hi, do you guys have any up-to-date opinions on a good notebook for FreeBSD-current? Here is what I don't need: - can be heavy - can be big - don't care about battery life - can be slow - refurbished or used OK Here is what I want: - quiet when not under load - must operate in warm rooms when compiling kernels - NVidia chipset if at all possible - More than 1024x768 *or* working dual-head - Firewire, USB 2.0 and/or at least two PCMCIA II slots - $1200 - $1500 for a current model but would take a $1000 refurbished with slower CPU Some Dell Inspirons fit that nicely, in particular since you can get as much display as you want. But a friend has 4 in the office and all 4 had to be sent to get parts replaced already. What are your experiences with them? Here is a barebones kit with a 1280x1024 display: http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=NBEGG732C15 Anyone ever tried that? I might chicken out and just get a random Thinkpad :-) The 23 with the 1400x1050 display sounds nice. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ No warranty. This email is probably produced by one of my cats stepping on the keys. No, I don't have an infinite number of cats. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 09:20:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2E7F16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.pcnet.com (mail.pcnet.com [204.213.232.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7ED43D2F for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:20:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from eischen@vigrid.com) Received: from mail.pcnet.com (mail.pcnet.com [204.213.232.4]) by mail.pcnet.com (8.12.10/8.12.1) with ESMTP id hBNHKSiw022686; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:20:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:20:28 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Eischen X-Sender: eischen@pcnet5.pcnet.com To: Martin Cracauer In-Reply-To: <20031223120425.A56684@cons.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Notebook recommendations and/or barebones kit experience? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:20:33 -0000 On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Martin Cracauer wrote: > Hi, > > Here is what I want: > - quiet when not under load > - must operate in warm rooms when compiling kernels > - NVidia chipset if at all possible Not sure why you want NVidia, but under -current and using NVidia drivers/OpenGL you won't be able to use libkse and/or libthr. All the notebooks that I have access to and which run FreeBSD have ATI chipsets. > - More than 1024x768 *or* working dual-head > - Firewire, USB 2.0 and/or at least two PCMCIA II slots > - $1200 - $1500 for a current model but would take a $1000 refurbished > with slower CPU > > Some Dell Inspirons fit that nicely, in particular since you can get > as much display as you want. But a friend has 4 in the office and all > 4 had to be sent to get parts replaced already. What are your > experiences with them? I bought a refurbished Dell Inspiron thinking I'd save a few hundred dollars. The keyboard was a bit sticky when I got it, but it wasn't really that annoying so I let it go. A few months later the system would no longer power on and I sent it back (I also bought Dell support). Dell claimed that I spilled something on the keyboard and the entire motherboard needed replacing. I argued that that was the way I got it and never spilled anything on it (which I didn't!), but still had to pay $600 to get it fixed. It ended up costing me $200 more than buying the system new instead of refurbished. I never had any problems with Dells until then, but now I don't think I'd ever go back to them. YMMV -- Dan Eischen From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 09:59:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65E9E16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal1.es.net (proxy.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84EA43D1F for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:59:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:59:39 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 05B565D04; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:59:39 -0800 (PST) To: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" In-Reply-To: Message from "W.K. Vladmir Ward" <20031223162231.49942.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:59:39 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20031223175939.05B565D04@ptavv.es.net> cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New install on Dell -- Need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:59:42 -0000 > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) > From: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > Hello... > > I just installed FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE on my Dell > Inspiron 8200 last Friday and have been working to get > things running. I know a little bit about FreeBSD from > what I've picked out of the handbook, and from my past > experience with Linux, but I'm still in the dark. > > I'm having a lot of ACPI troubles, and I'm wondering > if anyone knows what the fix for the battery mis-read > error is. I've disabled APM in my kernel config > (according to some sources I've found it doesn't like > playing nice with ACPI). Also, running GKrellM with > tz0 enabled shows temp ranges from 125 to 160 degrees > F... is there some way to fix this with scaling/offset > options? I've already applied the ACPI patch to be rid > of the error messages on boot, but I'm still working > on those two problems listed above. First, ACPI and APM simply do not play together, period. It's one or the other, although ACPI does provide an APM emulator so that the APM interface is still available to programs. But, if the BIOS on your system supports APM, you might want to turn off ACPI and try running with APM instead. To turn APM on, DON'T rebuild your kernel. Just add the line: apm_load="YES" to /boot/loader.conf and edit /boot/device.hints by adding: hint.acpi.0.disabled="1". You can switch back to ACPI by commenting out the lines. Take a look at 'sysctl hx.acpi.thermal and see what values are actually coming back from BIOS. The numbers are in unit of 1/10 degree Kelvin. Finally, ACPI has had major changes since 5.1 and is MUCH better. I'd suggest 5.2 as soon as it is released which should be very soon. (If you feel a bit brave, you might go with the latest pre-release in RELENG_5_2.) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 10:18:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851B416A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from clavin.cluepon.com (clavin.cluepon.com [64.154.215.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1258F43D31 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:18:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from lamont@cluepon.com) Received: from lamont by clavin.cluepon.com with local (Exim 3.03 #1) id 1AYr6q-000GFR-00 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:18:20 -0800 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:18:20 -0800 From: Lamont Lucas To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031223181819.GX3446@clavin.cluepon.com> References: <20031215233406.GX3446@clavin.cluepon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031215233406.GX3446@clavin.cluepon.com> Organization: Cluepon Consulting, Inc. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Subject: Re: Sony Vaio TR2A install problems X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:18:22 -0000 Following up to my own email, I found the following patch submitted to gnats on freebsd: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-i386/2003-September/000325.html Applying the 4 line patch to ata-dma.c and ata-pci.c and making my own custom ISOs I was able to get my TR2A to boot and install onto a second partition on the machine. But this is when it falls apart. The boot loader comes up, lets me select the freebsd partition but then seems to power cycle right back to the boot loader screen after flashing the bios screen at me for a second. I can still boot onto the primary windows XP partition, however. I know that my root slice is well above the 1024 limit, so I'd followed the instructions in boot0cfg and reloaded the boot manager with the -o packet option. Can anyone suggest any debugging that I can do in order to figure out why I can't proceed to the next boot stage? (When I get back to San Francisco I'm going to try scrubbing the entire machine and rebuilding with freebsd in a lower partition, just to make sure that it's the 1024 cylinder boot issue, and not something more nefarious. I'd try it here, but I'm visiting my folks for christmas and can't afford to accidently brick the entire laptop without a backup computer) I'm going to ask a similar question on -stable, but thought that -mobile was more appropriate. Have a happy holiday, folks. On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 03:34:07PM -0800, Lamont Lucas wrote: > The kernel config portion of the install reports no conflicts, but > during the rest of the install kernel boot, it ends with: > > ata1-slave: ATAPI identify retries exceeded > ad0: READ command timeout tag=0 serv=0 - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. > > And then just hangs forevermore with the drive icon lit up. > > Windows XP, which came with the machine, says the ATA controller > is an Intel 82801DBM UltraATA Storage Controler 24CA, with > the primary using irq 14. > > It's a pentium M processor built into this thing, built in wireless > (which, because I am a superstitious man, I attempted to boot with > both disabled and enabled) and would be the best laptop I've ever > owned if only I could get FreeBSD on it. I'm trying to install vmware now > which seems happier (at least the install completes) but I'd rather > have a true dual boot system that I could use via vmware or standalone > rather than letting freebsd ride shotgun. > > I've found some bugs submitted against freebsd-current (5.1ish) that > seem like small and reasonable patches into sys/dev/ata/ata-dma.c > to include detection for this specific controller. My best guess > so far as to what I should do will be to compile these fixes > in (if I can) to my -stable. Then build install media off of the > new and modified source tree. > > Any other suggestions or ideas? > > -- > - Lamont > "I am not an atomic playboy." > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- - Lamont "I am not an atomic playboy." From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 10:25:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CDD16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:25:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal1.es.net (proxy.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DD543D5D for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24:54 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 3BC6A5D04; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24:54 -0800 (PST) To: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" In-Reply-To: Message from "W.K. Vladmir Ward" <20031223162231.49942.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24:54 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20031223182454.3BC6A5D04@ptavv.es.net> cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New install on Dell -- Need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:25:02 -0000 > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) > From: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > Hello... > > I just installed FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE on my Dell > Inspiron 8200 last Friday and have been working to get > things running. I know a little bit about FreeBSD from > what I've picked out of the handbook, and from my past > experience with Linux, but I'm still in the dark. > > I'm having a lot of ACPI troubles, and I'm wondering > if anyone knows what the fix for the battery mis-read > error is. I've disabled APM in my kernel config > (according to some sources I've found it doesn't like > playing nice with ACPI). Also, running GKrellM with > tz0 enabled shows temp ranges from 125 to 160 degrees > F... is there some way to fix this with scaling/offset > options? I've already applied the ACPI patch to be rid > of the error messages on boot, but I'm still working > on those two problems listed above. By the way, I suspect the temperature is valid. My ThinkPad is now reading 170F while a buildworld is in progress. This value is below either _PSV (359.7K) or _CRT (367.2K), but pretty warm! These things run VERY hot and the tz0 value on most P4 systems is right on the processor. I can also tell you that I would not want the bottom of my laptop resting on my lap! -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 10:26:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E352116A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:26:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from ebb.errno.com (ebb.errno.com [66.127.85.87]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828FD43D41 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:26:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) Received: from 66.127.85.91 ([66.127.85.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by ebb.errno.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBNIQaHQ021516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:26:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from sam@errno.com) From: Sam Leffler Organization: Errno Consulting To: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:30:07 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <20031223162231.49942.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20031223162231.49942.qmail@web11501.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312231030.07572.sam@errno.com> Subject: Re: New install on Dell -- Need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:26:40 -0000 On Tuesday 23 December 2003 08:22 am, W.K. Vladmir Ward wrote: > Hello... > > I just installed FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE on my Dell > Inspiron 8200 last Friday and have been working to get > things running. I know a little bit about FreeBSD from > what I've picked out of the handbook, and from my past > experience with Linux, but I'm still in the dark. > > I'm having a lot of ACPI troubles, and I'm wondering > if anyone knows what the fix for the battery mis-read > error is. I've disabled APM in my kernel config > (according to some sources I've found it doesn't like > playing nice with ACPI). Also, running GKrellM with > tz0 enabled shows temp ranges from 125 to 160 degrees > F... is there some way to fix this with scaling/offset > options? I've already applied the ACPI patch to be rid > of the error messages on boot, but I'm still working > on those two problems listed above. You need to be more specific about your problems. If you're getting error messages to the console these would be useful. FWIW I just installed 5.2-RC1 on a Dell i600m and hit problems with ACPI and the battery. I see complaints about zero-sized memory allocations from UtAllocate and ACPI is unable to manage/observe the battery operation. Nate filed a bug for me: http://bugme.osdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1728 I've also seen some oddities with suspend but haven't investigated. Sam From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 10:42:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A0B16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:42:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from lomond.aae.uiuc.edu (lomond.aae.uiuc.edu [128.174.132.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6860843D31 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:42:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmmcf@uiuc.edu) Received: by lomond.aae.uiuc.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8E7D218F0D; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:42:00 -0600 (CST) To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org From: dmmcf@uiuc.edu (D. Michael McFarland) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:42:00 -0600 Message-ID: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 18:42:05 -0000 Hello All, Occasionally I drool over the laptops in places like Best Buy, thinking, "If I had just one more computer, I wouldn't have to wrestle VMware...," etc., etc. Lately, the prices and specs have improved to where I may finally be willing to put my money where my mouth is. It looks like about US$1150 (less rebates if I'm quick about it) would get me either a Compaq Presario 2195US or an HP ze4560us, so I'm here to ask if anyone can support my pipe dream by affirming FreeBSD runs reasonably well on either of these machines. The specs for the two notebooks are nearly identical: AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HD, ATI Mobility graphics, USB, FireWire, CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive. I don't expect the built-in wireless (11g) will ever work, but I'd like to know 100Base-T does. "16-bit Sound Blaster Pro-compatible audio" could be anything, I suppose. Battery life, noise level, and weight are secondary to performance and reliability to me, unless they're really abysmal. Any opinions will be appreciated (except maybe, "Buy a Thinkpad." Great hardware, but I can't afford it this time). Best regards, Michael -- D. Michael McFarland, Visiting Senior Research Scientist Department of Aerospace Engineering University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign dmmcf@uiuc.edu, www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/dmmcf From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 12:05:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BF016A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:05:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from web11503.mail.yahoo.com (web11503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.172.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B485943D91 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:04:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from web_raptor.geo@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20031223200415.91952.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.246.89.2] by web11503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:04:15 PST Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:04:15 -0800 (PST) From: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20031223182454.3BC6A5D04@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: New install on Dell -- Need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:05:47 -0000 In response to someone else's message about APCI errors: I'm getting no errors about the ACPI to my console anymore, since I applied the ACPI patch. The batteries are still a problem though. I suppose tz may be correct, but I seem to recall that the temp hovered around 130 F... I could easily be wrong though, as my memory isn't that great ;) --- Kevin Oberman wrote: > > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) > > From: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" > > > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > > > Hello... > > > > I just installed FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE on my Dell > > Inspiron 8200 last Friday and have been working to > get > > things running. I know a little bit about FreeBSD > from > > what I've picked out of the handbook, and from my > past > > experience with Linux, but I'm still in the dark. > > > > I'm having a lot of ACPI troubles, and I'm > wondering > > if anyone knows what the fix for the battery > mis-read > > error is. I've disabled APM in my kernel config > > (according to some sources I've found it doesn't > like > > playing nice with ACPI). Also, running GKrellM > with > > tz0 enabled shows temp ranges from 125 to 160 > degrees > > F... is there some way to fix this with > scaling/offset > > options? I've already applied the ACPI patch to be > rid > > of the error messages on boot, but I'm still > working > > on those two problems listed above. > > By the way, I suspect the temperature is valid. My > ThinkPad is now > reading 170F while a buildworld is in progress. This > value is below > either _PSV (359.7K) or _CRT (367.2K), but pretty > warm! > > These things run VERY hot and the tz0 value on most > P4 systems is right > on the processor. I can also tell you that I would > not want the bottom > of my laptop resting on my lap! > -- > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > (Berkeley Lab) > E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" ===== Encumbered forever by desire and ambition, There's a hunger still unsatisfied. Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon, Though down that road we've been so many times... - Pink Floyd, "High Hopes" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 12:33:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67B816A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:33:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from sm1.r404.com (sm1.r404.com [69.56.206.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8425043D2D for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:33:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from radek@raadradd.com) Received: from un29.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl ([80.54.94.29] helo=raadradd) by sm1.r404.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AYtDO-0006qx-7v; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:33:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:33:47 +0100 From: Radek Kozlowski X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6262982463.20031223213347@raadradd.com> To: dmmcf@uiuc.edu (D. Michael McFarland) In-Reply-To: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> References: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sm1.r404.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - raadradd.com cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:33:21 -0000 On Tuesday, December 23, 2003, 7:42:00 PM, D. Michael McFarland wrote: > Occasionally I drool over the laptops in places like Best Buy, > thinking, "If I had just one more computer, I wouldn't have to wrestle > VMware...," etc., etc. Lately, the prices and specs have improved to > where I may finally be willing to put my money where my mouth is. It > looks like about US$1150 (less rebates if I'm quick about it) would > get me either a Compaq Presario 2195US or an HP ze4560us, so I'm here > to ask if anyone can support my pipe dream by affirming FreeBSD runs > reasonably well on either of these machines. I'm running 5.2-CURRENT on HP Pavilion ze4430us without any significant problems. About two weeks ago my touchpad finaly worked with ACPI enabled. The built-in wireless card works with ndis driver, sound works fine as well (pcm(4)). XFree86 uses vesa driver, but still I can watch dvds and divx movies. Network card (sis(4)), usb and firewire work as well. The only thing that's not recognized at the moment is the Conexant modem, but I don't need it, so I didn't care that much. For this price (~$900) it's probably the best one I could buy. -Radek From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 12:36:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652DB16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:36:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (user-0cdfenm.cable.mindspring.com [24.215.186.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 37C8743D4C for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 12:36:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@online.fr) Received: (qmail 3453 invoked by uid 1002); 23 Dec 2003 20:36:27 -0000 Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:36:27 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "D. Michael McFarland" Message-ID: <20031223203627.GA3303@online.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.23 i686 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:36:32 -0000 D. Michael McFarland wrote: > Occasionally I drool over the laptops in places like Best Buy, > thinking, "If I had just one more computer, I wouldn't have to wrestle > VMware...," etc., etc. Lately, the prices and specs have improved to > where I may finally be willing to put my money where my mouth is. It > looks like about US$1150 (less rebates if I'm quick about it) would > get me either a Compaq Presario 2195US or an HP ze4560us, so I'm here > to ask if anyone can support my pipe dream by affirming FreeBSD runs > reasonably well on either of these machines. I've been using linux on an HP ze5385us, which looks like a similar machine to your HP except it has a Pentium-IV, everything works fine. I just installed FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT on it, it mostly works but here are the caveats: 1. With FreeBSD 5.2-RC1 and ACPI enabled, the touchpad (psm0) is not detected. (This is what kept me from using FreeBSD on it for a long time.) However, this is fixed by a recent commit by Nate, so upgrading to 5.2-CURRENT should work. Even so, the mousewheel-type "vertical scrollbar" on the side of the touchpad doesn't work under FreeBSD (it does under Linux if you download a Synaptics driver from tuxmobil.org). 2. FreeBSD ACPI can't figure out the battery status (acpi_cmbat0: battery initialization failed, giving up). The LCD brightness hot keys also don't work, possibly related to some messages from the embedded controller saying "new max delay is <#progressively-larger-num> us". All this, too, works fine under linux. 3. The builtin wireless (wi0, prism2.5/intersil chipset) is detected fine under FreeBSD, I haven't tried using it yet. It works fine under linux. 4. The builtin ethernet (sis0, NatSemi DP8381[56]) works fine, both FreeBSD and Linux. I don't know about 100Base-T, my max connection is around 300 kb/s over a cable modem. 5. The built-in modem does not work under FreeBSD and I don't think there's a near-term prospect of getting it to work. It seems to get detected and configured correctly under linux with the Conexant HSF driver from linuxant.com, but I haven't actually used it. I believe it would be very hard to port and most of the code is binary-only. 6. The sound card (pcm0, Acer Labs 5451) works fine, both FreeBSD and Linux. 7. The ATI Mobility (listed as a 4x AGP, detected by XFree86 as IGP 340M) works fine with the vesa driver, but you don't get the X Video extension then. It doesn't work with the radeon driver from the default XFree86 4.3.0 package. I downloaded a radeon_drv.o from somewhere that works, and the X Video extension is enabled but still doesn't work, I only get multicoloured vertical bars (this also happens with linux after I resume from swsusp, I imagine it's something to do with how the card is initialized). I'm hopeful XFree86 4.4.0 will fix this (I may try the RC2) -- apparently it has support for the IGP cards. Under linux the default radeon driver works fine, with video playback and all, I don't know about 3D though. 8. I haven't tried CD burning under FreeBSD, but I imagine it should work fine. It works under Linux. Because of the touchpad issue I've been using linux on it, but at present, enough of the laptop works under FreeBSD that I can use it regularly I believe, and hopefully remaining issues will get fixed soon. Battery life is around 2-2.5 hrs, less if you're playing audio/video/etc. The fan is a bit noisy. Otherwise, I'm totally happy with the machine. Rahul From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 13:19:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D237616A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:19:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from lomond.aae.uiuc.edu (lomond.aae.uiuc.edu [128.174.132.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960E743D46 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:19:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmmcf@uiuc.edu) Received: by lomond.aae.uiuc.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B157E8F2AD; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:19:02 -0600 (CST) To: Rahul Siddharthan References: <20031223203627.GA3303@online.fr> From: dmmcf@uiuc.edu (D. Michael McFarland) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:19:02 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20031223203627.GA3303@online.fr> (Rahul Siddharthan's message of "Tue, 23 Dec 2003 15:36:27 -0500") Message-ID: <87fzfbi661.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:19:08 -0000 Rahul Siddharthan writes: > I've been using linux on an HP ze5385us, which looks like a similar > machine to your HP except it has a Pentium-IV, everything works fine. > I just installed FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT on it, it mostly works but here > are the caveats: > > 1. With FreeBSD 5.2-RC1 and ACPI enabled, the touchpad (psm0) is not > detected. (This is what kept me from using FreeBSD on it for a > long time.) However, this is fixed by a recent commit by Nate, so > upgrading to 5.2-CURRENT should work. The more I read, the more it appears I'd better plan to run -CURRRENT for a while. Oh well, I always wanted an excuse.... > 3. The builtin wireless (wi0, prism2.5/intersil chipset) is detected > fine under FreeBSD, I haven't tried using it yet. It works fine > under linux. This would be nice, but I have a Cisco card I can fall back on. > 7. The ATI Mobility (listed as a 4x AGP, detected by XFree86 as IGP > 340M) works fine with the vesa driver, but you don't get the X > Video extension then. > [...] > I'm hopeful XFree86 4.4.0 will fix this I can wait, as long as X works in some mode in the mean time. > Because of the touchpad issue I've been using linux on it, but at > present, enough of the laptop works under FreeBSD that I can use it > regularly I believe, and hopefully remaining issues will get fixed > soon. I ran Linux for several years, then switched to FreeBSD and was generally happier. Was forced back to Linux so I could run VMware and thus Windows, but keeping up with Linux can be a chore, and non-Windows license management around here becomes ever more challenging. I'd like to dedicate one machine to Windows and the proprietary apps I have to use, and return to FreeBSD on the other(s). But maybe portable hardware is just too, er, diverse for this to be a reasonable course. Many thanks to those who've replied, on the list and otherwise. Michael From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 13:50:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B601016A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:50:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from PIKES.panasas.com (gw2.panasas.com [65.194.124.178]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1AC743D50 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:50:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cbehanna@panasas.com) Received: from waumbek.panasas.com ([172.17.2.36]) by PIKES.panasas.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SVSYFGVJ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:50:30 -0500 From: Chris BeHanna Organization: Panasas, LLC To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:50:30 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> In-Reply-To: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312231650.30382.cbehanna@panasas.com> Subject: Re: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: cbehanna@panasas.com List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:50:35 -0000 On Tuesday 23 December 2003 13:42, D. Michael McFarland wrote: > Hello All, > > Occasionally I drool over the laptops in places like Best Buy, > thinking, "If I had just one more computer, I wouldn't have to wrestle > VMware...," etc., etc. Lately, the prices and specs have improved to > where I may finally be willing to put my money where my mouth is. It > looks like about US$1150 (less rebates if I'm quick about it) would > get me either a Compaq Presario 2195US or an HP ze4560us, so I'm here > to ask if anyone can support my pipe dream by affirming FreeBSD runs > reasonably well on either of these machines. > > The specs for the two notebooks are nearly identical: AMD Athlon XP-M > 2500+, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HD, ATI Mobility graphics, USB, FireWire, > CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive. I don't expect the built-in wireless (11g) will > ever work, but I'd like to know 100Base-T does. "16-bit Sound > Blaster Pro-compatible audio" could be anything, I suppose. For about that same price, Best Buy has an eMachines laptop w/17" widescreen (1280x768) LCD, the same Athlon-M, and the same ATI video chip. I have no idea if FreeBSD will run on it. The wide screen is a definite attention-getter, and the blue LEDs look pretty trick, too. "Dory, look!" "What?" "Something shiny!" -- Chris BeHanna Software Engineer (Remove "bogus" before responding.) behanna@bogus.zbzoom.net Turning coffee into software since 1990. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 23 14:02:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA37C16A4CE for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:02:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from lomond.aae.uiuc.edu (lomond.aae.uiuc.edu [128.174.132.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DAF43D46 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 14:02:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmmcf@uiuc.edu) Received: by lomond.aae.uiuc.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0F9948F2AD; Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:02:49 -0600 (CST) To: cbehanna@panasas.com References: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> <200312231650.30382.cbehanna@panasas.com> From: dmmcf@uiuc.edu (D. Michael McFarland) Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:02:49 -0600 In-Reply-To: <200312231650.30382.cbehanna@panasas.com> (Chris BeHanna's message of "Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:50:30 -0500") Message-ID: <878yl3i452.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 22:02:53 -0000 Chris BeHanna writes: > For about that same price, Best Buy has an eMachines laptop w/17" > widescreen (1280x768) LCD, the same Athlon-M, and the same ATI video > chip. Thanks for the pointer. I've generally avoided eMachines because > I have no idea if FreeBSD will run on it. and I don't want to be the guy to find out it won't. The last time I bought a Real Bargain desktop machine, I ended up swapping the motherboard to get something useful (but, seriously, I'd expect eMachines to be better than that). Guess I'd better dig for some detailed specs. Cheers, Michael From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 01:37:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454AA16A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:37:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mpool.solaris.ru (mpool.solaris.ru [194.85.25.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E843643D50 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:37:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kirill@mpool.solaris.ru) Received: from mpool.solaris.ru (localhost.solaris.ru [127.0.0.1]) by mpool.solaris.ru (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id hBO9bMEK024875; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:37:22 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from kirill@mpool.solaris.ru) Received: (from kirill@localhost) by mpool.solaris.ru (8.12.10/8.12.6/Submit) id hBO9bMCJ024874; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:37:22 +0300 (MSK) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:37:22 +0300 From: Kirill Bezzubets To: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" Message-ID: <20031224093722.GA1621@solaris.ru> References: <20031223182454.3BC6A5D04@ptavv.es.net> <20031223200415.91952.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031223200415.91952.qmail@web11503.mail.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.1i cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New install on Dell -- Need help X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:37:27 -0000 On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 12:04:15PM -0800, W.K. Vladmir Ward wrote: > In response to someone else's message about APCI > errors: I'm getting no errors about the ACPI to my > console anymore, since I applied the ACPI patch. The > batteries are still a problem though. > Actually, it's well-known buggy DELL ACPI. I had Latitude CP, Latitude CPi in the past and now CPx - it's always the same - DSDT is absolutely incorrect. But once DSDT is patched and put into boot sequence (aka DSDT overriding) things work well - batteries, temperature etc. Further patching needed to get PCMCIA runtime eject and S3 aka Suspend working now on CPx. PCMCIA patch should be simple but now I have no time to get it done. Not sure about S3 - problem is that ATI Mobility M1 after suspend doesn't direct output to LCD anymore, everything else works fine - I can SSH on this box etc. Except LCD ;). If you don't want to get into ACPI deep just take a look at http://acpi.sourceforge.net/dsdt/index.php - it's a good source of patched DSDTs. Besides, if you can't find your model try to use similar ones - DELL doesn't change DSDT's for years - e.g, my CPx has DSDT with system ID . Now how to put it into boot sequence: # cat /boot/loader.conf ---skipped--- acpi_dsdt_load="YES" # DSDT Overriding acpi_dsdt_type="acpi_dsdt" # Don't change this acpi_dsdt_name="/boot/DSDT.aml" ---skipped--- Hope it will help you. > I suppose tz may be correct, but I seem to recall that > the temp hovered around 130 F... I could easily be > wrong though, as my memory isn't that great ;) > > > > --- Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 08:22:31 -0800 (PST) > > > From: "W.K. Vladmir Ward" > > > > > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > > > > > Hello... > > > > > > I just installed FreeBSD 5.1-RELEASE on my Dell > > > Inspiron 8200 last Friday and have been working to > > get > > > things running. I know a little bit about FreeBSD > > from > > > what I've picked out of the handbook, and from my > > past > > > experience with Linux, but I'm still in the dark. > > > > > > I'm having a lot of ACPI troubles, and I'm > > wondering > > > if anyone knows what the fix for the battery > > mis-read > > > error is. I've disabled APM in my kernel config > > > (according to some sources I've found it doesn't > > like > > > playing nice with ACPI). Also, running GKrellM > > with > > > tz0 enabled shows temp ranges from 125 to 160 > > degrees > > > F... is there some way to fix this with > > scaling/offset > > > options? I've already applied the ACPI patch to be > > rid > > > of the error messages on boot, but I'm still > > working > > > on those two problems listed above. > > > > By the way, I suspect the temperature is valid. My > > ThinkPad is now > > reading 170F while a buildworld is in progress. This > > value is below > > either _PSV (359.7K) or _CRT (367.2K), but pretty > > warm! > > > > These things run VERY hot and the tz0 value on most > > P4 systems is right > > on the processor. I can also tell you that I would > > not want the bottom > > of my laptop resting on my lap! > > -- > > R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer > > Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) > > Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > (Berkeley Lab) > > E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > ===== > Encumbered forever by desire and ambition, > There's a hunger still unsatisfied. > Our weary eyes still stray to the horizon, > Though down that road we've been so many times... > - Pink Floyd, "High Hopes" > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! 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Ltd http://www.solaris.ru From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 05:36:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FE916A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:36:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from c-67-173-98-162.client.comcast.net (c-67-173-98-162.client.comcast.net [67.173.98.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B2DD743D45 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 05:36:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from zrnfjxrqke@cnnic.net.cn) Received: from [67.173.98.162] by 530000x.netIP with HTTP; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:27:59 +0600 From: "Monroe" To: mobile@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: mPOP Web-Mail 2.19 X-Originating-IP: [530000x.netIP] Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:29:59 +0300 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Re: MNROE, all this food X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Steve Monroe List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:36:27 -0000 casanova birgit nowhere chamfer fiberboard marinate loy mincemeat burglar admitting belong archer delta downplay arrival periwinkle warp catalytic silverware yodel executor sickroom everyday acme augustine postlude From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 07:11:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE72816A4CF for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from makeworld.com (makeworld.com [12.15.124.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72AA943D48 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:11:47 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from racerx@makeworld.com) Received: from evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net (evrtwa1-ar12-4-46-162-188.evrtwa1.dsl-verizon.net [4.46.162.188]) by makeworld.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C63CE; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:13:18 -0600 (CST) From: Chris To: Steve Monroe , mobile@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:11:40 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200312240911.40225.racerx@makeworld.com> Subject: Re: MNROE, all this food X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:11:48 -0000 On Tuesday 23 December 2003 07:29 pm, Monroe wrote: > casanova birgit nowhere chamfer fiberboard marinate loy mincemeat burglar > admitting belong archer delta downplay arrival periwinkle warp > catalytic silverware yodel executor sickroom everyday acme augustine > postlude _______________________________________________ Hmmm, hitting the 'nog early?!?! I'll have what he's havin -- Best regards, Chris From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 07:50:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A97616A4CF for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper.zs64.net [212.12.50.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0EDC43D3F for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 07:50:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: from schlepper.zs64.net (schlepper [212.12.50.230]) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.11.1) with ESMTP id hBOFoAEi080001; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:50:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from cracauer@schlepper.zs64.net) Received: (from cracauer@localhost) by schlepper.zs64.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id hBOFoA2r080000; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:50:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:50:10 -0500 From: Martin Cracauer To: Chris BeHanna Message-ID: <20031224105010.A79893@cons.org> References: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> <200312231650.30382.cbehanna@panasas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200312231650.30382.cbehanna@panasas.com>; from cbehanna@panasas.com on Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 04:50:30PM -0500 cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 15:50:18 -0000 Chris BeHanna wrote on Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 04:50:30PM -0500: > On Tuesday 23 December 2003 13:42, D. Michael McFarland wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > Occasionally I drool over the laptops in places like Best Buy, > > thinking, "If I had just one more computer, I wouldn't have to wrestle > > VMware...," etc., etc. Lately, the prices and specs have improved to > > where I may finally be willing to put my money where my mouth is. It > > looks like about US$1150 (less rebates if I'm quick about it) would > > get me either a Compaq Presario 2195US or an HP ze4560us, so I'm here > > to ask if anyone can support my pipe dream by affirming FreeBSD runs > > reasonably well on either of these machines. I looked at some rebated HP/Compaq models at BestBuy yesterday. The cheap celeron models I was looking at had no firewire and only USB 1.1. You want to make sure those you are looking at have 2.0. > > The specs for the two notebooks are nearly identical: AMD Athlon XP-M > > 2500+, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HD, ATI Mobility graphics, USB, FireWire, > > CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive. I don't expect the built-in wireless (11g) will > > ever work, but I'd like to know 100Base-T does. "16-bit Sound > > Blaster Pro-compatible audio" could be anything, I suppose. > > For about that same price, Best Buy has an eMachines laptop w/17" > widescreen (1280x768) LCD, the same Athlon-M, and the same ATI video > chip. I looked at that part yesterday. For $800 (if you manage to get the mail-in-rebates) you can get that thing with a Celeron 2.4 GHz and the Intel 852 GM graphics, or as you say a more expensive model with an Athlon and ATI graphics. I think I would have bought the Celeron version if they had it in-store which they didn't and I cannot mailorder it because it will not arrive in time to use the mail-in-rebate (one of the most awful aspects of current U.S. corporate practice from a German standpoint, BTW). Anyway, I had a closer look and the whole thing feels so flimsy and cheap mechanically-wise that I am pretty much put off it. I might have a second look these days but I really wouldn't like to buy a notebook with a keyboard that breaks. But hey, it's widescreen and a 2.4 GHz Celeron for $800. Mumble. > I have no idea if FreeBSD will run on it. Should be fine, at least on the Intel part, including graphics. I don't know what chipset the AMD version uses. Martin -- %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Martin Cracauer http://www.cons.org/cracauer/ No warranty. This email is probably produced by one of my cats stepping on the keys. No, I don't have an infinite number of cats. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 09:01:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B3416A4CE; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:01:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.189]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4194F43D68; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 09:01:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from se@freebsd.org) Received: from [212.227.126.207] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AZCNX-0003Ao-00; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:00:59 +0100 Received: from [80.132.235.189] (helo=Gatekeeper.FreeBSD.org) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1AZCNX-0004ab-00; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:00:59 +0100 Received: from StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org (StefanEsser [192.168.0.10]) by Gatekeeper.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80965F18; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:00:55 +0100 (CET) Received: by StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org (Postfix, from userid 200) id 6F2FB23C2; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:00:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:00:55 +0100 From: Stefan =?iso-8859-1?Q?E=DFer?= To: Martin Cracauer Message-ID: <20031224170055.GB30405@StefanEsser.FreeBSD.org> References: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> <200312231650.30382.cbehanna@panasas.com> <20031224105010.A79893@cons.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031224105010.A79893@cons.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:fa3fae9b6ca38d745862a668565919f6 cc: Chris BeHanna cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:01:21 -0000 On 2003-12-24 10:50 -0500, Martin Cracauer wrote: > > > The specs for the two notebooks are nearly identical: AMD Athlon XP-M > > > 2500+, 512 MB RAM, 40 GB HD, ATI Mobility graphics, USB, FireWire, > > > CD-RW/DVD-ROM drive. I don't expect the built-in wireless (11g) will > > > ever work, but I'd like to know 100Base-T does. "16-bit Sound > > > Blaster Pro-compatible audio" could be anything, I suppose. The -current NDIS driver framework does already support the Broadcom 802.11g chip (assuming that is what's in that system), though as of now without support for WEP. > > For about that same price, Best Buy has an eMachines laptop w/17" > > widescreen (1280x768) LCD, the same Athlon-M, and the same ATI video > > chip. > > I looked at that part yesterday. For $800 (if you manage to get the > mail-in-rebates) you can get that thing with a Celeron 2.4 GHz and the > Intel 852 GM graphics, or as you say a more expensive model with an > Athlon and ATI graphics. Beware: The P4 based Celerons are just a rip-off! Expect a Celeron with 2.4GHz to consume as much power as a desktop P4 (it does not support SpeedStep !) but do perform no better than a PIII at half the clock speed !!! (Exception to the rule: Multimedia applications using SSE2 instructions and running within the small L2 cache of the P4-Celeron.) A shared memory graphics chip does not help at all, since the CPU has to access RAM much more often than a P4 (which has about 4 times the memory bandwidth requirement of a PIII or Centrino or Athlon running at the same speed). > I think I would have bought the Celeron version if they had it > in-store which they didn't and I cannot mailorder it because it will > not arrive in time to use the mail-in-rebate (one of the most awful > aspects of current U.S. corporate practice from a German standpoint, > BTW). > > Anyway, I had a closer look and the whole thing feels so flimsy and > cheap mechanically-wise that I am pretty much put off it. I might > have a second look these days but I really wouldn't like to buy a > notebook with a keyboard that breaks. > > But hey, it's widescreen and a 2.4 GHz Celeron for $800. Mumble. > > > I have no idea if FreeBSD will run on it. > > Should be fine, at least on the Intel part, including graphics. I > don't know what chipset the AMD version uses. The Rage Mobility in the Athlon based machine should be well supported. Regards, STefan From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 10:08:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E902016A500 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:08:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.56]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65FB43D2F for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:08:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pogrose@twcny.rr.com) Received: from charon.paradigm-design.org (syr-24-59-209-149.twcny.rr.com [24.59.209.149])hBOI83Ej000384 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:08:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:08:03 -0500 From: Eric Pogroski To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031224130803.78472eac.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: 3Com 3CXFE574BT Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:08:08 -0000 Hi List! I was wondering if the above mentioned card is ever going to be supported for full 10/100 speeds? Every flavor of FreeBSD I've tried with this card absolutely refuses to see it as anything but a 10 Mb/s card. I don't understand, seeing as not just MS Windows, but OpenBSD, NetBSD, and various flavors of Linux see this card correctly. If this is not the list I should be asking this on, could some kind soul point me in the proper direction? Thanks to all, and to all, Happy Holidays! Eric From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 10:47:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5573716A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from lomond.aae.uiuc.edu (lomond.aae.uiuc.edu [128.174.132.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D87943D46 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:47:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dmmcf@uiuc.edu) Received: by lomond.aae.uiuc.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B27F818F6C; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:47:06 -0600 (CST) To: Martin Cracauer References: <87zndjidfr.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> <200312231650.30382.cbehanna@panasas.com> <20031224105010.A79893@cons.org> From: dmmcf@uiuc.edu (D. Michael McFarland) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:47:06 -0600 In-Reply-To: <20031224105010.A79893@cons.org> (Martin Cracauer's message of "Wed, 24 Dec 2003 10:50:10 -0500") Message-ID: <87fzfavys5.fsf@lomond.aae.uiuc.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Experiences with HP, Compaq? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:47:14 -0000 Martin Cracauer writes: > I looked at some rebated HP/Compaq models at BestBuy yesterday. The > cheap celeron models I was looking at had no firewire and only USB > 1.1. You want to make sure those you are looking at have 2.0. Good point. Unfortunately, it eliminates both my original choices. >> For about that same price, Best Buy has an eMachines laptop w/17" >> widescreen (1280x768) LCD, the same Athlon-M, and the same ATI video >> chip. > > I looked at that part yesterday.[...] > Anyway, I had a closer look and the whole thing feels so flimsy and > cheap mechanically-wise that I am pretty much put off it. I might > have a second look these days but I really wouldn't like to buy a > notebook with a keyboard that breaks. I looked at the M5312 (the Athlon version), and was mildly impressed. Then I tracked down a somewhat Linux- and FreeBSD-savvy tech (Who'd've thought?), who expressed some concerns about eMachines hardware. I came away thinking that if I wanted to run Windows, that notebook would be a great bargain, but for what I have in mind it might add another layer of annoyance. I've since raised my sights a little (aye, there he goes, right down the slippery slope), and am looking at the Compaq 2580US, which is a little newer than the models I started with (e.g., USB 2) but looks similar enough in most of the hardware details that I can believe I could get most features to work. But feel free to contradict me---I hate spending money, even on computers. :-) Michael From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 16:07:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFFF16A4CE; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E99843D1F; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:07:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from the_mip_rvl@myrealbox.com) Received: from the_mip_rvl [145.53.68.203] by myrealbox.com with NetMail ModWeb Module; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:07:31 +0100 From: "The MiP RvL" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 01:07:31 +0100 X-Mailer: NetMail ModWeb Module X-Sender: the_mip_rvl MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1072310851.bd48a4a0the_mip_rvl@myrealbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: techniek@lijst.wirelessleiden.nl cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: enhanced security patch for if_wi X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:07:29 -0000 Hello This is a patch for which a couple of wi-fi fans have been waiting to get := ) And now it's there, just before Christmas ;) This patch is against FreeBSD 5.1, I didn't have current installed and 5.0 = doesn't work in hostap mode with 1.7.4 firmware. http://wleiden.webweaving.org:8080/svn/node-config/other/enh-sec-patch/ For the enhsec option to work you need a prism 2,2.5,3 with firmware 1.6.3 = or higher. To give a small explaination: It uses a firmware feature: 0xFC43 # wicontrol -i iface -E 0|1|2|3 This sets the WI_RID_CNFENHSECURITY flag.=20 0 =3D "disabled" 1 =3D hide SSID in beacon frames 2 =3D ignore clients with a "ANY" SSID 3 =3D 1 and 2 combined It blocks clients with a "" or "ANY" ssid And disables ssid broadcasting. I checked it today, and it worked, but please do acknowledge the fact that I haven't been able to test this function on a real network, with real data going over the= link. I haven't had the time yet to make it work with ifconfig, so until then, us= e wicontrol. Regards, Roland van Laar From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 18:39:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6EA16A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:39:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6528D43D41 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 18:39:27 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBP2dNAS068387; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:39:24 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Sender: imp@bsdimp.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:38:50 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20031224.193850.30188078.imp@bsdimp.com> To: pogrose@twcny.rr.com From: "M. Warner Losh" , "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20031224130803.78472eac.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> References: <20031224130803.78472eac.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com 3CXFE574BT Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 02:39:28 -0000 In message: <20031224130803.78472eac.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> Eric Pogroski writes: : I was wondering if the above mentioned card is ever going to be : supported for full 10/100 speeds? Every flavor of FreeBSD I've : tried with this card absolutely refuses to see it as anything but a 10 : Mb/s card. : : If this is not the list I should be asking this on, could some kind soul : point me in the proper direction? My 3CCFE574BT negotiated a 100Mbps link for me no problems last time I checked (I'm on the road for the holidays, so I can't confirm). Maybe you could be more specific as to the versions of FreeBSD that you've tried? I recently went through and did a minor overhaul of the ep driver and made sure that all the 3com ethernet cards I could find worked for me, except for the 3c1, which is rare and no free OS supports that I've been able to ascertain (it is close to a 3C589, but has enough quirks to make it not quite work). Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 19:06:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F9FD16A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03-qfe0.nyroc.rr.com [24.24.2.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2249843D2D for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:06:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from pogrose@twcny.rr.com) Received: from charon.paradigm-design.org (syr-24-59-209-149.twcny.rr.com [24.59.209.149])hBP35tlK015743; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:05:55 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 22:05:55 -0500 From: Eric Pogroski To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031224220555.1ba98b1a.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <20031224.193850.30188078.imp@bsdimp.com> References: <20031224130803.78472eac.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> <20031224.193850.30188078.imp@bsdimp.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.6claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.8) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: 3Com 3CXFE574BT Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 03:06:02 -0000 On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:38:50 -0700 (MST) "M. Warner Losh" , "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > > In message: <20031224130803.78472eac.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> > Eric Pogroski writes: > : I was wondering if the above mentioned card is ever going to be > : supported for full 10/100 speeds? Every flavor of FreeBSD I've > : tried with this card absolutely refuses to see it as anything but a 10 > : Mb/s card. > : > : If this is not the list I should be asking this on, could some kind soul > : point me in the proper direction? > > My 3CCFE574BT negotiated a 100Mbps link for me no problems last time I > checked (I'm on the road for the holidays, so I can't confirm). Maybe > you could be more specific as to the versions of FreeBSD that you've > tried? I recently went through and did a minor overhaul of the ep > driver and made sure that all the 3com ethernet cards I could find > worked for me, except for the 3c1, which is rare and no free OS > supports that I've been able to ascertain (it is close to a 3C589, but > has enough quirks to make it not quite work). > > Warner > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi Warner! and thanks for taking the time to reply to this during the holidays! The card in question is a '3Com Mehahertz 3CXFE574BT', it's a 10/100 X-Jack card (very handy, no dongles), and other anything that will recognize it as such, with the exception of FreeBSD (multiple flavors, see below): I've used the card successfully on my Thinkpad 390X with the following results: MS Windows (All Flavors): recognized correctly, with 10/100 settings available NetBSD (1.5x, 1.6x, NetBSD-current): recognized correctly, with 10/100 settings avail. OpenBSD (2.8 - 3.4): recognized correctly, with 10/100 settings avail FreeBSD 4.8: recognized as '3Com 574BT' , only 10 Mbs settings available FreeBSD 4.9: same FreeBSD 5.0: same FreeBSD 5.1: same FreeBSD 5.2: same I determined (in the 'BSD's) if 10/100 settings for the card were available by doing the following: 'ifconfig inet ep0 10.0.1.25 media 100basetx mediaopt full-duplex', if it exited correctly, I knew I was in good shape. However, the same command under the freebsd's would generate 'SIOGETOPT:error' or something to that effect. Also, the ep (4) man page makes no reference to the ep driver having anything but 10 mbs settings. Now I'm confused :( I really want to install freebsd next to winxp on this laptop (net's nice, but not enough software, and open has it's own quirks, that beyond setting up a bastion host, I'm unfamiliar with, and linux, is for me, not a real option). again, thanks! If you need any more info, please let me know, I'll get it to you as soon as possible. Eric From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 20:27:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A6516A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:27:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from phoenix.gargantuan.com (rrcs-se-24-73-171-238.biz.rr.com [24.73.171.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C080743D2D for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:27:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from michael@gargantuan.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.gargantuan.com [127.0.0.1]) by spamassassin-injector (Postfix) with SMTP id CFCBE5E3; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:27:24 -0500 (EST) Received: by phoenix.gargantuan.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DF5C034E; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:27:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:27:11 -0500 From: "Michael W. Oliver" To: Eric Pogroski , "M. Warner Losh" Message-ID: <20031225042711.GA27052@gargantuan.com> References: <20031224130803.78472eac.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> <20031224.193850.30188078.imp@bsdimp.com> <20031224220555.1ba98b1a.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031224220555.1ba98b1a.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Personal-Email: michael@gargantuan.com X-WWW-Site: http://michael.gargantuan.com X-GPG-Public-Key: $X-WWW-Site/gnupg/pubkey.asc X-Home-Phone: +1-863-816-8091 X-Mobile-Phone: +1-863-738-2334 X-Home-Address: 8008 Apache Lane, Lakeland, FL, US 33810-2172 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on phoenix.gargantuan.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-104.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=2.60 cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com 3CXFE574BT Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:27:28 -0000 --MGYHOYXEY6WxJCY8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 10:05:55PM -0500, Eric Pogroski wrote: > On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:38:50 -0700 (MST) > "M. Warner Losh" , "M. Warner Losh" wrot= e: >=20 > > My 3CCFE574BT negotiated a 100Mbps link for me no problems last time I > > checked (I'm on the road for the holidays, so I can't confirm). Maybe > > you could be more specific as to the versions of FreeBSD that you've > > tried? I recently went through and did a minor overhaul of the ep > > driver and made sure that all the 3com ethernet cards I could find > > worked for me, except for the 3c1, which is rare and no free OS > > supports that I've been able to ascertain (it is close to a 3C589, but > > has enough quirks to make it not quite work). > >=20 > > Warner >=20 > Hi Warner! and thanks for taking the time to reply to this during the hol= idays!=20 >=20 > The card in question is a '3Com Mehahertz 3CXFE574BT', it's a 10/100 X-Ja= ck card > (very handy, no dongles), and other anything that will recognize it as su= ch, with the exception > of FreeBSD (multiple flavors, see below): >=20 > I've used the card successfully on my Thinkpad 390X with the following re= sults: >=20 > MS Windows (All Flavors): recognized correctly, with 10/100 settings avai= lable > NetBSD (1.5x, 1.6x, NetBSD-current): recognized correctly, with 10/100 se= ttings avail. > OpenBSD (2.8 - 3.4): recognized correctly, with 10/100 settings avail > FreeBSD 4.8: recognized as '3Com 574BT' , only 10 Mbs settings available > FreeBSD 4.9: same > FreeBSD 5.0: same > FreeBSD 5.1: same > FreeBSD 5.2: same >=20 > I determined (in the 'BSD's) if 10/100 settings for the card were availab= le by doing the following: > 'ifconfig inet ep0 10.0.1.25 media 100basetx mediaopt full-duplex', if it= exited correctly, I knew I > was in good shape. > However, the same command under the freebsd's would generate 'SIOGETOPT:e= rror' or something > to that effect. Also, the ep (4) man page makes no reference to the ep dr= iver having anything but 10 mbs > settings. >=20 > Now I'm confused :( I really want to install freebsd next to winxp on thi= s laptop (net's nice, but not enough software, > and open has it's own quirks, that beyond setting up a bastion host, I'm = unfamiliar with, and linux, is for me, not a > real option). >=20 > again, thanks! If you need any more info, please let me know, I'll get it= to you as soon as possible. Hey guys, I also see this behavior with this particular card. Warner, if you would like, I can drop one of these cards to you in the mail if you want to tinker around with it. Let me know... --=20 Mike perl -e 'print unpack("u","88V]N=3D&%C=3D\"!I;F9O(&EN(&AE861E Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416E916A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0048A43D2F for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:30:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBP4UiAS069143; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:30:46 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:30:27 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20031224.213027.128109393.imp@bsdimp.com> To: pogrose@twcny.rr.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20031224220555.1ba98b1a.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> References: <20031224130803.78472eac.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> <20031224.193850.30188078.imp@bsdimp.com> <20031224220555.1ba98b1a.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com 3CXFE574BT Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:30:50 -0000 In message: <20031224220555.1ba98b1a.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> Eric Pogroski writes: I determined : (in the 'BSD's) if 10/100 settings for the card were available by : doing the following: 'ifconfig inet ep0 10.0.1.25 media 100basetx : mediaopt full-duplex', if it exited correctly, I knew I was in good : shape. However, the same command under the freebsd's would generate : 'SIOGETOPT:error' or something to that effect. Also, the ep (4) man : page makes no reference to the ep driver having anything but 10 mbs : settings. Ah, I see your confusion. The ep driver on FreeBSD hasn't been updated to the latest media control. It no doubt should be. However, I said that I had seen my '574 autonegotiate 100Mbps. I've not tried to set it to 100 operation. I'll give it a try when I get back from vacation. Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 20:59:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D310516A4CE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3E2F43D1D for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:59:43 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBP4xdAS069316; Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:59:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 21:59:29 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20031224.215929.17039730.imp@bsdimp.com> To: michael@gargantuan.com From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20031225042711.GA27052@gargantuan.com> References: <20031224.193850.30188078.imp@bsdimp.com> <20031224220555.1ba98b1a.pogrose@twcny.rr.com> <20031225042711.GA27052@gargantuan.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: pogrose@twcny.rr.com cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3Com 3CXFE574BT Support X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 04:59:45 -0000 In message: <20031225042711.GA27052@gargantuan.com> "Michael W. Oliver" writes: : Warner, if you would like, I can drop one of these cards to you in the : mail if you want to tinker around with it. Let me know... I don't think that would be necessary. I've got the 3CCFE574BT which is the same as the 3CXEF... model except I have a dongle instead of an X-Jack. I think that I'll check this out when I return from vacation. Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 25 09:52:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70FE16A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:52:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (vjofn.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com [204.107.90.128]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C3CC43D46 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 09:52:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tuc@ttsg.com) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (ool-44c09852.dyn.optonline.net [68.192.152.82]) (authenticated bits=128)hBPHq2iX078561 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 12:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) id hBPHpmwZ026681 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 12:51:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tuc@ttsg.com) Received: (from tuc@localhost)hBPHpmZc026680 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 12:51:48 -0500 (EST) From: Tuc Message-Id: <200312251751.hBPHpmZc026680@himinbjorg.tucs-beachin-obx-house.com> To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 12:51:48 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD and VZW NationalAccess X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:52:05 -0000 Hi, Like to hear from anyone using FreeBSD to connect into the Verizon Wireless "NationalAccess" network OFFLIST. I'll summarize if there is interest. Thanks, Tuc/TTSG Internet Services, Inc. From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 25 11:30:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EAC16A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from kraid.nerim.net (smtp-104-thursday.nerim.net [62.4.16.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26A243D3F for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from vincent@ahoup.net) Received: from machupichu.ahoup.net (ahoup.net1.nerim.net [213.41.143.29]) by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0644340EA9 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:30:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:27:58 +0100 From: Vincent Derrien To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20031225202758.5e19d4c4.vincent@ahoup.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-unknown-openbsd3.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD on Tablet PC X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:30:54 -0000 Hello, Has anyone installed FreeBSD on a Tablet PC Compaq TC1000 ? And has the ACPI a good support on FreeBSD for mobile PC ? Thanks in advance. -- Vincent Derrien vincent@ahoup.net From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 25 19:40:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23E716A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:40:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A02C343D31 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 19:40:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBQ3edAS078568 for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:40:40 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:39:37 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20031225.203937.50275884.imp@bsdimp.com> To: mobile@freebsd.org From: "M. Warner Losh" X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:40:42 -0000 So what's the least supported by FreeBSD modern laptop under $1k? I'm looking for one that has bad interrupt routing, resource conflict issues or pccard/cardbus problems. I'm not counting 'sound doesn't work' or 'modem doens't work' as least supported for these purposes. Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 25 20:13:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EDE016A4CE for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E677343D1D for ; Thu, 25 Dec 2003 20:13:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D812BD32 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 15:13:29 +1100 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 22FD65120C; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:43:27 +1030 (CST) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 14:43:27 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: "M. Warner Losh" Message-ID: <20031226041327.GY38246@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20031225.203937.50275884.imp@bsdimp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="95n2dZZDVPvlnkUw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031225.203937.50275884.imp@bsdimp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 04:13:32 -0000 --95n2dZZDVPvlnkUw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday, 25 December 2003 at 20:39:37 -0700, M. Warner Losh wrote: > So what's the least supported by FreeBSD modern laptop under $1k? I'm > looking for one that has bad interrupt routing, resource conflict > issues or pccard/cardbus problems. I'm not counting 'sound doesn't > work' or 'modem doens't work' as least supported for these purposes. I don't know about "least supported", but I had a lot of trouble with my Dell Inspiron 5100. The biggest outstanding issue is that the BIOS doesn't get completely mapped: there's a 16 kB hole in the middle of the video BIOS which causes the X server to crash. I've also had a lot of trouble with USB, though I haven't tried it lately. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --95n2dZZDVPvlnkUw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/67VnIubykFB6QiMRAjIjAJ9h7/zHwk/3GXnlHPt04uUX/bvBdQCdE4EW 48KUDsnERLTYV575JV5hru8= =xbwq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --95n2dZZDVPvlnkUw-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 01:19:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21BF516A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:19:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.ukrhub.net (relay.ukrhub.net [212.90.160.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DE9143D1D for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 01:19:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kunia@clarity.kiev.ua) Received: from clarity.kiev.ua ([212.90.167.70]) by relay.ukrhub.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AZo8Q-0005vF-Jv for mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:19:54 +0200 Received: (from kunia@localhost) by clarity.kiev.ua (8.12.10/8.12.10/Submit) id hBQ9JixA006183 for mobile@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:19:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from kunia) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:19:44 +0200 From: Oleksandr Kunytsia To: mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031226091944.GA5975@clarity.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-u Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: SunOS 5.6 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.5.1i Subject: What is better for notebook or STABLE vs CURRENT X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Oleksandr Kunytsia List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:19:59 -0000 Hello, What can you recommend for using on Dell Latitude C600 - CURRENT or STABLE, and what are pluses and minuses of whose systems on notebook? -- Oleksandr Kunytsia From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 03:37:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C34216A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:37:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B14B543D41 for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:36:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from b_st@gmx.de) Received: (qmail 25981 invoked by uid 65534); 26 Dec 2003 11:36:56 -0000 Received: from cbiordty.dialup.fu-berlin.de (EHLO cbiordty.dialup.fu-berlin.de) (130.133.229.117) by mail.gmx.net (mp010) with SMTP; 26 Dec 2003 12:36:56 +0100 X-Authenticated: #858558 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 12:36:45 +0100 (CET) From: Bruno Stark To: mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20031225.203937.50275884.imp@bsdimp.com> Message-ID: References: <20031225.203937.50275884.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:37:00 -0000 I bought an Acer Aspire 1300 XV for EUR 990 a year ago, so let's say it's still "modern" and under $1000. Everything (except the softmodem) works fine; there is "only one" funny error. I have not yet found out what is going wrong, but the symptoms are impressive: After some random amount of uptime between 30sec and 10h, the machine freezes without any error/log messages and can only be revived with a power cycle. Note that this amazing feature "works" - with ACPI on or off - with or without X - in single- or multiuser mode - independent of system load - independent of attached hardware - even during the installation ...and: - exclusively restricted to FreeBSD and NetBSD. WindowsXP and various flavors of Linux run fine. Who can beat that? From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 03:53:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FEB16A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:53:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from freek.com (freek.com [206.252.131.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A6C43D1F for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 03:53:14 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dorqus@freek.com) Received: by freek.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3FD689E787; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:13 -0500 From: Josh Rivel To: mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031226115313.GA24277@freek.com> References: <20031225.203937.50275884.imp@bsdimp.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031225.203937.50275884.imp@bsdimp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 11:53:16 -0000 Warner- M. Warner Losh wrote... > So what's the least supported by FreeBSD modern laptop under $1k? I'm > looking for one that has bad interrupt routing, resource conflict > issues or pccard/cardbus problems. I'm not counting 'sound doesn't > work' or 'modem doens't work' as least supported for these purposes. My IBM Thinkpad R32 works fine under FreeBSD/5.2-beta. I paid $950 for it new on ebay. Only thing that doesn't seem to work (or maybe I just haven't figured it out yet) is suspend & resume. Closing the lid brings this message: acpi0: Sleep state S1 not supported by BIOS Also, if I don't do a cold boot from WinXP into FreeBSD, once I start X the machine will hang and I need to remove the battery. If I do a cold boot, it works fine (Had the same symptoms with both OpenBSD -current and Debian Linux unstable) I have not tried USB support with it however, so I can't speak to how that works. Audio works fine, and my old-school Wavelan card works great. So I'd say that's a sub-$1k notebook that works well with FreeBSD. laptop:~> uname -a FreeBSD laptop.freek 5.2-BETA FreeBSD 5.2-BETA #0: Sat Dec 6 23:15:20 EST 2003 dorqus@laptop.freek:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/LAPTOP i386 -- josh From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 26 10:52:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD31516A4CE for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C507943D1F for ; Fri, 26 Dec 2003 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from duanewinner@worldnet.att.net) Received: from [10.10.100.68] (unknown[216.113.237.19]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <200312261852321110073gjge> (Authid: duanewinner); Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:52:32 +0000 From: Duane Winner To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: UTRS, Inc. Message-Id: <1072464923.3808.9.camel@closetotheedge> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 (1.4.5-7) Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 13:55:23 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ibm thinkpad t23 -- freebsd 4.9 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: duanewinner@att.net List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:52:33 -0000 Does anybody have success stories and/or notes for getting FreeBSD 4.9 (stable) working on a T23 with all the hardware? I'm at the early stages of exploring the idea of using FreeBSD for both myself and a few others in my department. So far, I've had success with X, KDE and ethernet. But I'm running into problems with sound (CS4299/AC97) and power management. Haven't even gotten to the modem (LucentWinmodem) yet. I've recompiled the kernel twice now with 'device pcm', and the kernel seizes when I do this. Any pointers, advice, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, duanewinner@att.net From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 04:39:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CECB16A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:39:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from flat.berklix.org (bim.bsn.com [194.221.32.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 615B843D48 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 04:39:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (pD950EDDA.dip.t-dialin.net [217.80.237.218]) (authenticated bits=128) by flat.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBRCdqlt017205 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:39:54 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.net) Received: from flip.jhs.private (flip.jhs.private [192.168.91.24]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBRCdlB0023479 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:39:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@tower.berklix.net) Received: from flip.jhs.private (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flip.jhs.private (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBRCe3ZF073646 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:40:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flip.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200312271240.hBRCe3ZF073646@flip.jhs.private> To: mobile@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message from Josh Rivel of "Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:13 EST." <20031226115313.GA24277@freek.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 13:40:03 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Subject: Re: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:39:54 -0000 Folks, Warner's Subject: was not Most supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k but Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k Unlike many of us, who want well supported laptops, Warner presumably wants a single laptop which exhibits bad support in maximum areas, to maximise fixing fun, while avoid needing multiple laptops, each with just one or a few support problems. Posting about reasonably nice machines with few problems per laptop, would not seem optimal to the original "Subject:" line. Presumably we'll be doing FreeBSD most favour if we can tell Warner of the _Least_ supported FreeBSD laptop with most problems, under 1K that he can buy. A great request BTW, Warner ! :-) - Julian Stacey. Munich Unix C & Net Services Consultant. http://berklix.com Mail in Ascii plain text; HTML mail is dumped with Spam. Ihr Rauchen => mein allergischer Kopfschmerz ! Schnupftabak probieren. Software Patents ? Vampires would approve ! http://berklix.com/jhs/patents From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 09:22:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C111916A4CF for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:22:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from hotmail.com (law15-f100.law15.hotmail.com [64.4.23.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08AD43D58 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:22:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from starthir@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 09:22:25 -0800 Received: from 200.102.27.137 by lw15fd.law15.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:22:25 GMT X-Originating-IP: [200.102.27.137] X-Originating-Email: [starthir@hotmail.com] X-Sender: starthir@hotmail.com From: "Alvaro Pereira" To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 15:22:25 -0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Dec 2003 17:22:25.0288 (UTC) FILETIME=[FEC6D080:01C3CC9D] Subject: 5.2 on a toshiba A10-s169 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:22:39 -0000 Hi, I'm trying do install freebsd since 5.1 release (then 5.2 beta, 5.2 rc1 and now 5.2 rc2) in this toshiba notebook and it hangs during boot. I don't have a serial port, but copied by hand the last thing found before it hangs (tried with the regular boot, acpi disabled and the verbose option, and it always hangs): -------------------- pcib0: matched entry for 0.2.INTA (source \_SB_.LNKA) pcib0: slot 2 INTA is routed to irq 10 found-> vendor=0x8086, dev=0x3582, revid=0x01 bus=0, slot=2, func=0 class=03-00-00, hdrtype=0x00, mfdev=1 cmdreg=0x0007, statreg=0x0090, cachelnsz=0 (dwords) lattimes=0x00 (0 ns), mingnt=0x00 (0 ns), maxlat=0x00 (0 ns) intpin=a, irq=10 powerspec 1 supports D0 D1 D3 current D0 map[10]: type 3, range 32, base 00000000, size 27, memory disabled f -------------------- that "f" is the last thing that appears on the screen, like if it was starting to find the next device, but stops right there... I tried to install 4.9 in the second primary partition that starts in the cylinder 1020. 4.9 boots, but says that it can't install the root partition there. Anyway, I would like to have 5.2 installed here, 4.9 was just a test. The notebook specs can be found here: http://cdgenp01.csd.toshiba.com/content/product/pdf_files/detailed_specs/satellite_A10-S169.pdf Any ideas? Alvaro _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger: converse com os seus amigos online. http://messenger.msn.com.br From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 11:32:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FFA16A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:32:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09BC143D49 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:32:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBRJWnAS000540; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:32:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:32:41 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20031227.123241.23386608.imp@bsdimp.com> To: jhs@tower.berklix.net From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200312271240.hBRCe3ZF073646@flip.jhs.private> References: <200312271240.hBRCe3ZF073646@flip.jhs.private> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:32:54 -0000 In message: <200312271240.hBRCe3ZF073646@flip.jhs.private> "Julian H. Stacey" writes: : Unlike many of us, who want well supported laptops, Warner presumably : wants a single laptop which exhibits bad support in maximum areas, : to maximise fixing fun, while avoid needing multiple laptops, each : with just one or a few support problems. Yes. I want to get the most bang for the $$$. I want to be able to fix a dozen or so problems with just a small outlay of cash, which is a little tight at the moment. I'm also most interested in the following trouble areas: 1) Interrupt routing problems 2) PC Card/CardBus problems 3) Resource conflicts 4) Interrupt storms 5) Hangs at the end of the boot sequence 6) ACPI issues relating to suspend/resume. I'm not too interested in the following areas, except as it relates to the primary objectives listed above: 1) X doesn't work 2) Sound doesn't work 3) This weird NIC chip isn't supported. 4) This weird wireless isn't supported (although this one is borderline). I'm not looking for a pain-free experience. I'm looking for a laptop with lots of sharp edges that I can cut my fingers on so that others don't have to. Warner From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 12:52:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F6D16A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:52:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE85943D5F for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:51:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net ([198.128.4.29]) by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id IBA74465; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:51:54 -0800 Received: from ptavv (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 193E35D04; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:51:54 -0800 (PST) To: Josh Rivel In-Reply-To: Message from Josh Rivel of "Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:13 EST." <20031226115313.GA24277@freek.com> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 12:51:54 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20031227205154.193E35D04@ptavv.es.net> cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: R32 on 5.2 (Was: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 20:52:12 -0000 > Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 06:53:13 -0500 > From: Josh Rivel > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > Warner- > > M. Warner Losh wrote... > > So what's the least supported by FreeBSD modern laptop under $1k? I'm > > looking for one that has bad interrupt routing, resource conflict > > issues or pccard/cardbus problems. I'm not counting 'sound doesn't > > work' or 'modem doens't work' as least supported for these purposes. > > My IBM Thinkpad R32 works fine under FreeBSD/5.2-beta. I paid $950 > for it new on ebay. Only thing that doesn't seem to work (or maybe > I just haven't figured it out yet) is suspend & resume. Closing > the lid brings this message: > > acpi0: Sleep state S1 not supported by BIOS IBM does not support the fairly useless S1 state, so this will not work. You can use sysctl hw.acpi.lid_switch_state="S0" to eliminate the message. It's likely that support will soon be added to turn off the display with ACPI, but it's not there today. Also, suspend/resume is a work in progress. Nate Lawson has put tremendous effort into ACPI, but suspend/resume is clearly down the priority list from things like interrupt routing that can keep a machine from booting. If you need "working" suspend/resume, you should use APM instead of ACPI. It has a couple of problems, but generally works well on ThinkPads. The command "sysctl hw.acpi" will yield lots of interesting, if somewhat cryptic information when you use ACPI. It will tell you what sleep states are supported by your BIOS. It will also provide lots of power management information (work in progress and rapidly improving) and thermal information. FYI, the temperatures in ACPI are in tenths of a degree Kelvin. > Also, if I don't do a cold boot from WinXP into FreeBSD, once I start > X the machine will hang and I need to remove the battery. If I do a > cold boot, it works fine (Had the same symptoms with both OpenBSD > -current and Debian Linux unstable) No idea on this one. the R32 has different graphics than my T30, I'm afraid. > I have not tried USB support with it however, so I can't speak to how > that works. Audio works fine, and my old-school Wavelan card works > great. USB generally works well, but there are lots of misc. devices that still have problems and USB will not recover from suspend with ACPI. > So I'd say that's a sub-$1k notebook that works well with FreeBSD. But this is NOT what Warner is looking for. He wants one that is a total mess for FreeBSD. Worst case, not best. He wants a single system that can point to as many problems as possible so that they can be fixed. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 14:58:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7088A16A4CF for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from papagena.rockefeller.edu (user-0cdfenm.cable.mindspring.com [24.215.186.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 41AEF43D54 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 14:58:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rsidd@online.fr) Received: (qmail 1402 invoked by uid 1002); 27 Dec 2003 22:58:19 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 17:58:19 -0500 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: "M. Warner Losh" Message-ID: <20031227225819.GA1264@online.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031227.123241.23386608.imp@bsdimp.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.2-CURRENT i386 cc: mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:58:26 -0000 "M. Warner Losh" wrote: > I'm also most interested in the following trouble areas: > 1) Interrupt routing problems > 2) PC Card/CardBus problems > 3) Resource conflicts > 4) Interrupt storms > 5) Hangs at the end of the boot sequence > 6) ACPI issues relating to suspend/resume. Since you haven't received too many replies, here I go with my HP Pavilion ZE5385US (over $1000, but should be similar to many ZE5000 series models which are under $1000). 1. Cardbus: This is recognised in dmesg, cbb0: mem 0xd0002000-0xd0002fff at device 10.0 on pci0 cardbus0: on cbb0 pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 cbb0: [MPSAFE] but inserting the card does nothing -- no messages in dmesg etc, with or without devd running. I'm not sure I'm doing this right, though. This particular card (a 16 bit modem) worked fine on my old laptop with OLDCARD, both 4.x and 5.x, I used to use pccardc to manually power it up/down or pccardd to do it automatically, I understand neither is compatible with NEWCARD (anyway, neither works). I haven't needed it so haven't investigated. Sorry if this is something obvious and I should RTFM (I did briefly but didn't see anything). 2. ACPI issues relating to suspend/resume: S3 doesn't work. It suspends, but doesn't resume -- the power LED flashes when it's "suspended", but when trying to resume, the fan starts up but the screen backlight stays off and the harddisk shows no activity. I have to hard-poweroff and reboot. I understand S4 is not supported in any case. (S3 is not supported in linux, but S4 works via linux's swsusp.) 3. Other ACPI issues: the battery doesn't get initialised and battery status sysctl's show nothing -- I get the message acpi_cmbat0: battery initialization failed, giving up The battery is fine with linux. I haven't investigated further. The LCD brightness hotkeys also don't work, I think this is something to do with the embedded controller. This, too, works fine in linux. I get messages from the embedded controller like acpi_ec0: port 0x66,0x62 on acpi0 acpi_ec0: info: new max delay is 3 us acpi_ec0: info: new max delay is 268 us acpi_ec0: info: new max delay is 11000 us There are also issues with X (in short: vesa works, radeon driver doesn't), but I guess you're not interested in that and it may get fixed in XFree86 4.4 anyway... - Rahul From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 16:48:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3D516A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:48:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from freek.com (freek.com [206.252.131.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A65943D4C for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:48:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from dorqus@freek.com) Received: by freek.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B29BF9E787; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:48:17 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 19:48:17 -0500 From: dorqus To: mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031228004817.GA32175@freek.com> References: <20031226115313.GA24277@freek.com> <200312271240.hBRCe3ZF073646@flip.jhs.private> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200312271240.hBRCe3ZF073646@flip.jhs.private> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 00:48:19 -0000 Julian H. Stacey wrote... > Folks, > Warner's Subject: was not > Most supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k > but > Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k Yes, I apologize, I misread the subject on this one.... josh From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 27 23:50:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBF216A4CE for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:50:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from terpsi.otenet.gr (terpsi.otenet.gr [195.170.0.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A9D43D2F for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:50:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from "trep.againstspammers."@cs.ucr.edu) Received: from angeldust.chaos (patri36-a237.otenet.gr [62.103.226.237]) by terpsi.otenet.gr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id hBS7o2Cr004880 for ; Sun, 28 Dec 2003 09:50:05 +0200 (EET) Received: from angeldust.chaos (localhost.chaos [127.0.0.1]) by angeldust.chaos (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id hBS7o1h9003131 for ; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:50:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from trep.againstspammers.@cs.ucr.edu) Received: (from nil@localhost) by angeldust.chaos (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id hBS7nvpb003127 for mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:49:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: angeldust.chaos: nil set sender to trep.againstspammers.@cs.ucr.edu using -f Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:49:56 -0800 From: Thomas Repantis <"trep.againstspammers."@cs.ucr.edu> To: mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20031228074956.GA2511@angeldust.chaos> References: <20031227.123241.23386608.imp@bsdimp.com> <20031227225819.GA1264@online.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20031227225819.GA1264@online.fr> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Homepage: http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~trep X-Kallisti: 23 Subject: pccard problems (Was: Re: Least supported laptop for FreeBSD under $1k) X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 07:50:11 -0000 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Have you tried adding =20 hw.pci.allow_unsupported_io_range=3D"1" in /boot/device.hints ? This looks similar to what I had experienced with my T40. (http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~trep/tsrT40freebsd.html) Thomas On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 05:58:19PM -0500, Rahul Siddharthan wrote: >=20 > 1. Cardbus: This is recognised in dmesg,=20 >=20 > cbb0: mem 0xd0002000-0xd0002fff = at device 10.0 on pci0 > cardbus0: on cbb0 > pccard0: <16-bit PCCard bus> on cbb0 > cbb0: [MPSAFE] >=20 > but inserting the card does nothing -- no messages in dmesg etc, > with or without devd running. I'm not sure I'm doing this right, > though. This particular card (a 16 bit modem) worked fine on my > old laptop with OLDCARD, both 4.x and 5.x, I used to use pccardc > to manually power it up/down or pccardd to do it automatically, I > understand neither is compatible with NEWCARD (anyway, neither > works). I haven't needed it so haven't investigated. Sorry if > this is something obvious and I should RTFM (I did briefly but > didn't see anything). --=20 "One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem,=20 see a fine picture, and -if possible- speak a few reasonable words." =20 -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/7oskt+QwXYyWj/oRAuI1AJ9ZQpfybNBk0RKGnC01jr9d5WQrQwCdFz0m EJw33/O1Moo1rR3aJ/uWqFM= =CxoG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7--