From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 11 00:10:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1D337B401; Sun, 11 May 2003 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.88.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A5043FBF; Sun, 11 May 2003 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 85CC0AE466; Sun, 11 May 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030511071001.85CC0AE466@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-04-20 - 2003-05-10 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 07:10:03 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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These are the articles posted during this period: 10-May : Google blocking searches from unknown browsers I'm sure it'll be fixed soon http://freebsddiary.org/google-links-forbidden.php?2 1-May : New FreshPorts release brings interesting challenges Coding, blacklists, and stunnel... http://freebsddiary.org/freshports-release-2003.04.29.php?2 -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 11 02:09:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6769D37B401 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 02:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxbackup.webpartner.dk (mxbackup.webpartner.dk [195.184.96.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF3C43FDF for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 02:09:06 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@victory.webpartner.dk) Received: from victory.webpartner.dk (victory.webpartner.dk [195.184.96.46]) by mxbackup.webpartner.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AB4E00F8 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 11:09:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by victory.webpartner.dk (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id h4B991Yd036669; Sun, 11 May 2003 11:09:01 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 11:09:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200305110909.h4B991Yd036669@victory.webpartner.dk> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: thehidden@ztinkyfingaz.dk MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Mailer: NuralStorm Webmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: HDD disappiered X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 09:09:07 -0000 Hi! Here\'s an update on my installation: I sat in the ethernet nic and everything work fine. But then after booting over floppies and started downloading from an ftp, my machine started to act strangely. First, after downloading the binary files i started downloading the doc files. Then the download fell to 1,1 kb/s so i restarted it. Then after downloading approximatly 2,39 mb it just stopped downloading (and that\'s with every package I was downloading). So i canceled all downloads and restarted the application, but now it couldn\'t even find the hdd... I don\'t know what I did wrong, but I flashed my bios, and still, not even bios finds the hdd... I\'ve checked if there where any unplugged cables but there weren\'t (maybe I didn\'t check properly). The only thing bios finds is my cd and the flopy... What could I have done, and can anyone help... do I need to buy a new hdd now, or what? thehidden From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 11 19:10:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB68137B401 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 19:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.sancho2k.net (spruell.dsl.xmission.com [166.70.24.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACC5643F3F for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 19:10:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lists@sancho2k.net) Received: (qmail 20420 invoked from network); 12 May 2003 02:08:11 -0000 Received: from win2kpro.sancho2k.net (HELO sancho2k.net) (10.0.0.3) by 0 with SMTP; 12 May 2003 02:08:11 -0000 Message-ID: <3EBF0720.6040707@sancho2k.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 20:29:52 -0600 From: "Sancho2k.net Lists" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ru MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.74.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RELENG_5 branch exist? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 02:10:38 -0000 I installed FreeBSD 5.0 expecting to be set to track a -stable branch for it. I assume this would be called RELENG_5, but I see the following branches exist with no RELENG_5: RELENG_5_0 The release branch for FreeBSD-5.0, used only for security advisories and other seriously critical fixes. RELENG_4 The line of development for FreeBSD-4.X, also known as FreeBSD-STABLE. Is 5.0 not far enough along in development to require a -stable branch yet? What would be the difference between tracking 5.0 security and 5.0 stable? TIA DS From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 02:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D536F37B401 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 02:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412EE43F85 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 02:45:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4C9xc36032132; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:59:38 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:41:51 +0200 Received: from 212.190.217.170 ([212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id JS23C6WZ; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:41:46 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: thehidden@ztinkyfingaz.dk, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Organization: Intrasoft Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 11:46:38 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200305110909.h4B991Yd036669@victory.webpartner.dk> In-Reply-To: <200305110909.h4B991Yd036669@victory.webpartner.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305121146.38928.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-131.9 required=4.2 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_KMAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) Subject: Re: HDD disappiered X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 09:45:51 -0000 Why did you flash your BIOS? FreeBSD won't have caused this, but I reckon that the flash did...Did you make a backup of your EEPROM before flashing the new one? If so, reflash with your old one and see if HD comes back. Then check for a new BIOS (if a prob with BIOS, it would probably have already been updated). Also, your BIOS download might have got corrupted...so try downloading a fresh copy before trying to flash to new bios again... Anthony On Sunday 11 May 2003 11:09, thehidden@ztinkyfingaz.dk wrote: > Hi! > > Here\'s an update on my installation: I sat in the ethernet nic and > everything work fine. But then after booting over floppies and started > downloading from an ftp, my machine started to act strangely. First, after > downloading the binary files i started downloading the doc files. Then the > download fell to 1,1 kb/s so i restarted it. Then after downloading > approximatly 2,39 mb it just stopped downloading (and that\'s with every > package I was downloading). So i canceled all downloads and restarted the > application, but now it couldn\'t even find the hdd... I don\'t know what I > did wrong, but I flashed my bios, and still, not even bios finds the hdd... > I\'ve checked if there where any unplugged cables but there weren\'t (maybe > I didn\'t check properly). The only thing bios finds is my cd and the > flopy... What could I have done, and can anyone help... do I need to buy a > new hdd now, or what? > > thehidden > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 05:52:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8567237B401 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 05:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mxbackup.webpartner.dk (mxbackup.webpartner.dk [195.184.96.22]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB8243FCB for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 05:52:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nobody@victory.webpartner.dk) Received: from victory.webpartner.dk (victory.webpartner.dk [195.184.96.46]) by mxbackup.webpartner.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A87CDE4AD for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 14:52:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by victory.webpartner.dk (8.12.6/8.12.3/Submit) id h4CCq9SK001606; Mon, 12 May 2003 14:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 14:52:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200305121252.h4CCq9SK001606@victory.webpartner.dk> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: thehidden@ztinkyfingaz.dk MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: X-Mailer: NuralStorm Webmail Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FW: Re: HDD disappiered X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:52:15 -0000 My mainboard is a Soyo 5ema+ and i downloaded the 5empvca2.bin from http://www.soyousa.com/downloads/selectresults.php?language=&col1=Motherboard&col2=33&col3=BIOS+Upgrade ... I don\'t know if I can update with the rest, but I know for sure that the BIOS before AND after couldn\'t find the hdd... Could it be because of a missing mounting point??? thehidden ----- Forwarded message from CARTER Anthony   ----- Why did you flash your BIOS? FreeBSD won\'t have caused this, but I reckon that the flash did...Did you make a backup of your EEPROM before flashing the new one? If so, reflash with your old one and see if HD comes back. Then check for a new BIOS (if a prob with BIOS, it would probably have already been updated). Also, your BIOS download might have got corrupted...so try downloading a fresh copy before trying to flash to new bios again... Anthony On Sunday 11 May 2003 11:09, thehidden@ztinkyfingaz.dk wrote: > Hi! > > Here\\\'s an update on my installation: I sat in the ethernet nic and > everything work fine. But then after booting over floppies and started > downloading from an ftp, my machine started to act strangely. First, after > downloading the binary files i started downloading the doc files. Then the > download fell to 1,1 kb/s so i restarted it. Then after downloading > approximatly 2,39 mb it just stopped downloading (and that\\\'s with every > package I was downloading). So i canceled all downloads and restarted the > application, but now it couldn\\\'t even find the hdd... I don\\\'t know what I > did wrong, but I flashed my bios, and still, not even bios finds the hdd... > I\\\'ve checked if there where any unplugged cables but there weren\\\'t (maybe > I didn\\\'t check properly). The only thing bios finds is my cd and the > flopy... What could I have done, and can anyone help... do I need to buy a > new hdd now, or what? > > thehidden > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to \"freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org\" _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to \"freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org\" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 06:46:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B2A37B401 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 06:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10501.mail.yahoo.com (web10501.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.151]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C360143FDF for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 06:46:48 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frebhed@yahoo.com.au) Message-ID: <20030512134648.86073.qmail@web10501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.76.136.20] by web10501.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 12 May 2003 23:46:48 EST Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 23:46:48 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Frederick=20Johnson?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <200305121252.h4CCq9SK001606@victory.webpartner.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: FW: Re: HDD disappiered X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:46:49 -0000 I dont really think this is the right list to send these messages... I dont really know which list would be the best but I'm sure it wouldnt be hard to find out... checkout the mailing list descriptions (?) I dont really see how a failed download could cause the problems... I think its unlikely to be a freebsd problem if you cannot even boot from floppies... Fred > > My mainboard is a Soyo 5ema+ and i downloaded the 5empvca2.bin from > http://www.soyousa.com/downloads/selectresults.php?language=&col1=Motherboard&col2=33&col3=BIOS+Upgrade > ... I don\'t know if I can update with the rest, but I know for sure that the > BIOS before AND after couldn\'t find the hdd... Could it be because of a > missing mounting point??? > > thehidden > > ----- Forwarded message from CARTER Anthony   ----- > > Why did you flash your BIOS? FreeBSD won\'t have caused this, but I reckon > that the flash did...Did you make a backup of your EEPROM before flashing the > > new one? If so, reflash with your old one and see if HD comes back. Then > check for a new BIOS (if a prob with BIOS, it would probably have already > been updated). Also, your BIOS download might have got corrupted...so try > downloading a fresh copy before trying to flash to new bios again... > > Anthony > > On Sunday 11 May 2003 11:09, thehidden@ztinkyfingaz.dk wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Here\\\'s an update on my installation: I sat in the ethernet nic and > > everything work fine. But then after booting over floppies and started > > downloading from an ftp, my machine started to act strangely. First, after > > downloading the binary files i started downloading the doc files. Then the > > download fell to 1,1 kb/s so i restarted it. Then after downloading > > approximatly 2,39 mb it just stopped downloading (and that\\\'s with every > > package I was downloading). So i canceled all downloads and restarted the > > application, but now it couldn\\\'t even find the hdd... I don\\\'t know > what I > > did wrong, but I flashed my bios, and still, not even bios finds the hdd... > > I\\\'ve checked if there where any unplugged cables but there weren\\\'t > (maybe > > I didn\\\'t check properly). The only thing bios finds is my cd and the > > flopy... What could I have done, and can anyone help... do I need to buy a > > new hdd now, or what? > > > > thehidden ===== worry is a missuse of imagination http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 09:44:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11B4737B401 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 09:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E2843FBD for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 09:44:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yenyumyum@fastmail.fm) Received: from dialpool-210-214-98-100.maa.sify.net yenyumyum@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [210.214.98.100]$ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Mon, 12 May 2003 09:44:20 -0700 From: Murali Menon To: freebsd newbies list Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052754203.2092.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 12 May 2003 22:10:37 +0530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Freebsd 5 CD 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:44:21 -0000 I am a normal desktop user ( not a IT professional) new to BSD but have little experience using a linux desktop. Just a stupid question I have- Ive just installed FreeBSD 5 on my system. I was given 2 cds - my complete install got over in a single cd & i picked a full install ie all distributions - CD 2 does not have any packages. So whats CD2 for & how can I use it? Regards Murali Menon From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 12 15:40:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFCAE37B401 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 15:40:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07A343F93 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 15:40:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj001@rogers.com) Received: from rogers.com ([24.101.253.54]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20030512224011.XTED9289.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@rogers.com>; Mon, 12 May 2003 18:40:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC022CA.8070003@rogers.com> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 18:40:10 -0400 From: mj001 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murali Menon References: <1052754203.2092.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.101.253.54] using ID at Mon, 12 May 2003 18:40:11 -0400 cc: freebsd newbies list Subject: Re: Freebsd 5 CD 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 22:40:14 -0000 Murali Menon wrote: > I am a normal desktop user ( not a IT professional) new to BSD but have > little experience using a linux desktop. > Just a stupid question I have- Ive just installed FreeBSD 5 on my > system. I was given 2 cds - my complete install got over in a single cd > & i picked a full install ie all distributions - CD 2 does not have any > packages. So whats CD2 for & how can I use it? > > Regards > > Murali Menon > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > It contains a complete live filesystem. You can use it to help repair broken systems, as it has a complete set of all the system binaries, and a generic kernel, and much more. Do a 'mount /cdrom' with the second CD, and browse through it. Welcome to the FreeBSD community! Questions like this are best asked on the freebsd-questions mailing list, and you are more likely to get replies there. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 05:13:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A65F37B405 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 05:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lug.stikom.edu (lug.stikom.edu [202.155.19.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E93343FA3 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 05:13:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from zainal@lug.stikom.edu) Received: (qmail 21794 invoked by uid 2043); 13 May 2003 12:13:52 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 May 2003 12:13:52 -0000 Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:13:52 +0700 (JAVT) From: Zainal Abidin To: mj001 In-Reply-To: <3EC022CA.8070003@rogers.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd newbies list cc: Murali Menon Subject: Re: Freebsd 5 CD 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:13:37 -0000 # mj001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD6537B408 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 06:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cordis.lu (mail.cordis.lu [212.190.217.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10CE243FAF for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 06:30:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from a.carter@cordis.lu) Received: from mailsvr.intrasoft.lu (mail.intrasoft.lu [212.190.217.251]) by mail.cordis.lu (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4DDj236010609; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:45:02 +0200 Received: by mail.intrasoft.lu with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) id ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:26:54 +0200 Received: from 212.190.217.170 ([212.190.217.170]) by mailsvr.intrasoft.lu with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2656.59) id JS23DAY5; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:26:49 +0200 From: CARTER Anthony To: Zainal Abidin , mj001 Organization: Intrasoft Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 15:31:43 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305131531.43157.a.carter@intrasoft.lu> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-131.5 required=4.2 tests=EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES, USER_AGENT_KMAIL,USER_IN_WHITELIST version=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) cc: freebsd newbies list Subject: Re: Freebsd 5 CD 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:30:54 -0000 Boot the second CD and you shall see... Anthony On Tuesday 13 May 2003 14:13, Zainal Abidin wrote: > # mj001 # ------------------------------- > # > # It contains a complete live filesystem. You can use it to > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > # help repair broken systems, as it has a complete set of > # all the system binaries, and a generic kernel, and much more. > > Hello i'm newbie too, so can you explain more about > "complete_live_filesystem". In CD 2 FreeBSD 5 > > > Merci beaucoup! > > > --- > jh@ > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 09:32:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 367E137B401 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BDD43FBD for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from seva3@pacbell.net) Received: from gusenok ([66.123.222.250]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 1.6 (built Oct 18 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HEU00ELW3AIC8@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 13 May 2003 09:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 09:34:17 -0700 From: Seva Tonkonoh To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Subject: python gives memory fault with my .so library X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:32:44 -0000 When I try to run my extension shared library for Python, it gives me "Memory fault(coredump)". I am running FreeBSD 4.7 on VMWare 4 on Dell 4100 workstation. I tried 2 versions of Python: 2.2.1 and 2.1.3. They both give the same error message, which makes me think I didn't create .so file correctly. Here is how I compiled my .so file: hello.so: hello.c gcc hello.c -g -I/usr/local/include/python2.1 -fpic -shared -o hello.so I tried hello.c from Lutz's O'Rei;;y book "Programming Python" because I had the same problem before with a more complex DLL, so I decided I have to try something simple first to narrow the problem. hello.c code is at the bottom of this email, just in case. What I tried to do with Python is: -start python interpreter in the directory where .so file resides. -do ">>> import hello". That runs fine. -do ">>> hello.message('bla')". That gives "Memory fault(coredump)". Please, cc me as I am not on the list. Thanks in advance, seva /***************************************************** hello.c ****************************************************/ #include #include /* module functions */ static PyObject * /* returns object */ message(PyObject *self, PyObject *args) /* self unused in modules */ { /* args from python call */ char *fromPython, result[64]; if (! PyArg_Parse(args, "(s)", &fromPython)) /* convert Python -> C */ return NULL; /* null=raise exception */ else { strcpy(result, "Hello, "); /* build up C string */ strcat(result, fromPython); /* add passed Python string */ return Py_BuildValue("s", result); /* convert C -> Python */ } } /* registration table */ static struct PyMethodDef hello_methods[] = { {"message", message, 1}, /* method name, C func ptr, always-tuple */ {NULL, NULL} /* end of table marker */ }; , /* module initializer */ void inithello() /* called on first import */ { /* name matters if loaded dynamically */ (void) Py_InitModule("hello", hello_methods); /* mod name, table ptr */ } From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 14:53:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB50337B401 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:53:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MAIL03.toast.net (mail.toast.net [206.244.185.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251CD43F93 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 14:53:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from roach@toast.net) Received: from toast.net (unverified [66.19.162.188]) by MAIL03.toast.net for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 17:49:37 -0400 Sender: roach@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <3EC16DC2.6D249066@toast.net> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:12:18 -0400 From: roach X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.6 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: BootEasy X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:53:54 -0000 HowTo install BootEasy on da0 = win95 to boot Freebsd on da1 from what i've read i need to use boot0cfg. what is not clear ( do i run boot0cfg from (Dos-win95) or mount da1 and run it from freebsd ?) the CD-Rom has both windows and bsd Apps. . Can i do this from sysinstall ? if so how. Thanks Roach From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 15:54:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B93F937B405 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:54:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from babyruth.hotpop.com (babyruth.hotpop.com [204.57.55.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD2B43F85 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 15:54:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from teilhk@Phreaker.net) Received: from phreaker.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3989022A670 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 22:54:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dsl-200-67-187-38.prodigy.net.mx (dsl-200-67-187-38.prodigy.net.mx [200.67.187.38]) by smtp-1.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390401A00AE for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 22:54:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Teilhard Knight To: Newbies Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052866503.11481.3.camel@arlette.love.dad> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Date: 13 May 2003 17:55:09 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Subject: Root mounting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:54:50 -0000 I just subscribed to the list. I am running release 4.8. I have compiled my kernel. Everything seems to be all right, except that on boot it cannot mount root. It displays: "mounting root from ufs:ad2s2a", and a failure message. then. it goes: "mounting root from ufs:da0s2e", and another failure message (no such device "da"). This last attempt I think is done because I added the line: options ROOTDEVNAME=\"ufs:da0s2e\", which LINT gives for when the root device cannot correctly guessed by the bootstrap code. Now, I am left at boot with an inquire for a manual root filesystem specification., like this: mount using filesystem eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a ? List valid disk boot devices abort manual imput mountroot> What to do now? I haven't been able to guess the right input, and I haven't been able to fix the kernel. I have erased all filesystem types from my configuration, except FFS. Last thing to note. In my previous kernel, the HD where I have FreeBDS installed was ad2, in this new kernel, it is ad1. Cheers. Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Who ate my sandwich? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 16:37:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6EF037B401 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 16:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D4B43FA3 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 16:37:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gwschenk@socal.rr.com) Received: from fuzz.socal.rr.com (cpe-66-74-152-230.socal.rr.com [66.74.152.230])h4DNYwS01865; Tue, 13 May 2003 16:34:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Schenk To: Teilhard Knight , Newbies Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:37:28 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <1052866503.11481.3.camel@arlette.love.dad> In-Reply-To: <1052866503.11481.3.camel@arlette.love.dad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305131637.28067.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: Root mounting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 23:37:32 -0000 On Tuesday 13 May 2003 03:55 pm, Teilhard Knight wrote: > I just subscribed to the list. I am running release 4.8. > I have compiled my kernel. Everything seems to be all right, > except that on boot it cannot mount root. > > It displays: "mounting root from ufs:ad2s2a", and a failure message. > then. it goes: "mounting root from ufs:da0s2e", and another failure > message (no such device "da"). This last attempt I think is done > because I added the line: > options ROOTDEVNAME=\"ufs:da0s2e\", which LINT gives for when the > root device cannot correctly guessed by the bootstrap code. > > Now, I am left at boot with an inquire for a manual root filesystem > specification., like this: > > mount using filesystem > > eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a > > ? List valid disk boot devices > > abort manual imput > > mountroot> > > > What to do now? I haven't been able to guess the right input, and I > haven't been able to fix the kernel. I have erased all filesystem > types from my configuration, except FFS. > > > Last thing to note. In my previous kernel, the HD where I have > FreeBDS installed was ad2, in this new kernel, it is ad1. > > Cheers. > > > Teilhard Knight > The Extraterrestrial > > Who ate my sandwich? > What you should do now is send this into the questions mailing list. they are helpful and knowledgeable over there. Good luck, Gary From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 18:17:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0213537B404 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 18:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8347F43F3F for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj001@rogers.com) Received: from rogers.com ([24.101.253.54]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20030514011737.MSCG9289.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@rogers.com>; Tue, 13 May 2003 21:17:37 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC1992F.7020708@rogers.com> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 21:17:35 -0400 From: mj001 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zainal Abidin References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.101.253.54] using ID at Tue, 13 May 2003 21:17:36 -0400 cc: freebsd newbies list cc: Murali Menon Subject: Re: Freebsd 5 CD 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 01:17:41 -0000 Zainal Abidin wrote: > # mj001 # ------------------------------- > # > # It contains a complete live filesystem. You can use it to > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > # help repair broken systems, as it has a complete set of > # all the system binaries, and a generic kernel, and much more. > > Hello i'm newbie too, so can you explain more about > "complete_live_filesystem". In CD 2 FreeBSD 5 > > > Merci beaucoup! > > > --- > jh@ > > > As suggested by others, mount it and read it. The command mount /cdrom will work if /cdrom exists as an empty directory, and if /cdrom is defined in the /etc/fstab file. If not, do the following, as root: mkdir /cdrom mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0c /cdrom cd /cdrom ls -l (This assumes your CD is acd0c; you can run the command dmesg to get a list of devices if you need to). You can then look around on the CD. It contains a copy of all the files that get created on your hard disk when you install FreeBSD; such as all those in /bin, /sbin and many more. Now - I shall probably get jumped on by others for replying to questions on the newbie list, so I had better stop! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 19:16:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DB737B401 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40407.mail.yahoo.com (web40407.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 011CA43F93 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from catlord17@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030514021639.22057.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.183.121.198] by web40407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:39 PDT Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) From: RexFelis To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 02:16:40 -0000 Hi, everyone! I have been a lurker for quite some time, with a few questions to the -questions mailing list here and there. Mostly, I just read, make my own mistakes, and muddle through them. I was just reading a request for help on the newbies list and I realized that I understood what was wrong by the error message! Not that I know the answer, but I understood the error message. That was a big surprise for me.... it means I understand (finally!) the disk/partition/slice naming conventions. I thought I'd never get that. lol I slowly graduated from Windows to Linux over a 2 year period, and now I am graduating from Linux to FreeBSD... I have Windows 2000 Pro, Linux Mandrake 9.1 and FreeBSD 5.0 on my system, and I am finding less and less use for Windows or Linux and spending more and more time having a blast figuring out FreeBSD lately. At this point, all I have left to get figured out is my ATAPI CD burner, printing with CUPS, and how to install and run NeverWinter Nights. Since I really haven't even tried any of those three, I'll just wait until I have given it my best shot before I ask for help. But I must say... I LOVE FreeBSD!!! I used to love Linux... but then I started running into difficulties as I outgrew the point and click we'll-do-everything-for-you interface. It was dependency hell that made me turn to FreeBSD for a solution, and I am thrilled. I am sure some other distros besides Mandrake would fit my needs better than Mandrake does, but why should I go for unix-like when I can just get BSD and have it be more stable and even easier to use and reliable to boot! Just loving PortUpgrade and Make Buildworld/Make Buildkernel. This is the good life. :) Shannon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 13 21:15:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD3237B401 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 21:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from babyruth.hotpop.com (babyruth.hotpop.com [204.57.55.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2913D43FA3 for ; Tue, 13 May 2003 21:15:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from teilhk@Phreaker.net) Received: from phreaker.net (kubrick.hotpop.com [204.57.55.16]) by babyruth.hotpop.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 31A612124E5 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 04:15:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dsl-200-67-187-38.prodigy.net.mx (dsl-200-67-187-38.prodigy.net.mx [200.67.187.38]) by smtp-2.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6993B1800CF; Wed, 14 May 2003 04:15:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Teilhard Knight To: Gary Schenk , Newbies In-Reply-To: <200305131637.28067.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> References: <1052866503.11481.3.camel@arlette.love.dad> <200305131637.28067.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052885742.11481.54.camel@arlette.love.dad> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Date: 13 May 2003 23:15:42 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: Root mounting X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 04:15:19 -0000 On Tue, 2003-05-13 at 18:37, Gary Schenk wrote: > On Tuesday 13 May 2003 03:55 pm, Teilhard Knight wrote: > > I just subscribed to the list. I am running release 4.8. > > I have compiled my kernel. Everything seems to be all right, > > except that on boot it cannot mount root. > > > > It displays: "mounting root from ufs:ad2s2a", and a failure message. > > then. it goes: "mounting root from ufs:da0s2e", and another failure > > message (no such device "da"). This last attempt I think is done > > because I added the line: > > options ROOTDEVNAME=\"ufs:da0s2e\", which LINT gives for when the > > root device cannot correctly guessed by the bootstrap code. > > > > Now, I am left at boot with an inquire for a manual root filesystem > > specification., like this: > > > > mount using filesystem > > > > eg. ufs:/dev/da0s1a > > > > ? List valid disk boot devices > > > > abort manual imput > > > > mountroot> > > > > > > What to do now? I haven't been able to guess the right input, and I > > haven't been able to fix the kernel. I have erased all filesystem > > types from my configuration, except FFS. > > > > > > Last thing to note. In my previous kernel, the HD where I have > > FreeBDS installed was ad2, in this new kernel, it is ad1. > > > > Cheers. > > > > > > Teilhard Knight > > The Extraterrestrial > > > > Who ate my sandwich? > > > > What you should do now is send this into the questions mailing list. > they are helpful and knowledgeable over there. I have done so. I just thought it would be a good idea to post it here too. Thanks- Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial Who ate my sandwich? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 02:49:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA3937B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 02:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (f40.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655CD43F75 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 02:49:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from crollins666@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 14 May 2003 02:49:14 -0700 Received: from 216.19.22.118 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2003 09:49:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [216.19.22.118] X-Originating-Email: [crollins666@hotmail.com] From: "clayton rollins" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:49:13 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 May 2003 09:49:14.0249 (UTC) FILETIME=[13E24790:01C319FE] Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 09:49:15 -0000 Hi Catlord, >On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) RexFelis >wrote: > > >Hi, everyone! > >I have been a lurker for quite some time, with a >few questions to the -questions mailing list here >and there. Mostly, I just read, make my own >mistakes, and muddle through them. > >I was just reading a request for help on the >newbies list and I realized that I understood >what was wrong by the error message! Not that I >know the answer, but I understood the error >message. That was a big surprise for me.... it >means I understand (finally!) the >disk/partition/slice naming conventions. I >thought I'd never get that. lol > (snip) Congrats. Seems like your starting to get past the learning curve... I know exactly how you feel. > >I LOVE FreeBSD!!! > (snip) So does everybody that's stuck with it long enough to see why it's so useful. (Read - everyone that's learned enough to complete the install.) As a side note, since my first install, I have now installed freebsd on around 20 different computers with almost no errors. (It was mostly just learning what things, like "out of inodes", meant; now I can install it right the first time, almost every time.) > >Just loving PortUpgrade and Make Buildworld/Make >Buildkernel. This is the good life. :) > Yeah, I just love the script maintainers around here. (I recently upgraded my comp. after about an 8 month stretch; not a single problem.) > >Shannon > Just thought I'd give my thoughts, Clayton _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 05:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F44437B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 05:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.uits.uconn.edu (mail2.uits.uconn.edu [137.99.25.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4700D43F85 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 05:17:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@forsetti.com) Received: from forsetti.com (d80h149.public.uconn.edu [137.99.80.149]) by mail2.uits.uconn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4ECHF224427; Wed, 14 May 2003 08:17:15 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC233C9.30003@forsetti.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:17:13 -0400 From: Matthew Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030509 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RexFelis References: <20030514021639.22057.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030514021639.22057.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 12:17:20 -0000 >At this point, all I have left to get figured out >is my ATAPI CD burner, printing with CUPS, and >how to install and run NeverWinter Nights. Since >I really haven't even tried any of those three, >I'll just wait until I have given it my best shot >before I ask for help. But I must say... > > Glad to hear about your success!! Here's a few tips to speed you along: Try out burncd for your CD burner (man burncd). As for CUPS, which is pretty darn slick, once you have it installed, and turn your browser to localhost:631 for configuration, try using ports/print/xpp. It is a gui pop-up interface for print-time printer selection. Whereever a program is configged to use lpr, simply replace it with xpp. Congrats, and good luck! -Matt From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 07:38:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F255F37B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 07:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40405.mail.yahoo.com (web40405.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F59943FA3 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 07:38:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from catlord17@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030514143830.50593.qmail@web40405.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.208.92.45] by web40405.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2003 07:38:30 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:38:30 -0700 (PDT) From: RexFelis To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:38:31 -0000 --- clayton rollins wrote: > > Hi Catlord, > > Congrats. Seems like your starting to get past > the learning curve... > I know exactly how you feel. > Thank you. :) > > As a side note, since my first install, I have > now installed freebsd on > around 20 different computers with almost no > errors. (It was mostly just > learning what things, like "out of inodes", > meant; now I can install it > right the first time, almost every time.) I tend to learn by repeating something, working through mistakes, over and over too. Maybe that's why I have to re-install all the time. Then again, maybe it's cause I love to tinker. ;) Although I must say, FreeBSD holds up to my tinkering a lot better than Linux did. Probably because it's an easier system to administer. > Yeah, I just love the script maintainers around > here. (I recently upgraded > my comp. after about an 8 month stretch; not a > single problem.) When I discovered Portupgrade, I was looking for a way to upgrade installed packages from January. I was truely blown away when 'portupgrade -af' and about 24 hours of waiting (dial-up connection) produced what seemed a new computer! It even upgraded KDE from 3.0.5 to 3.1.1a! Yes, script maintainers rock. All hail the FreeBSD team! Woohoo!!! :D Shannon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 07:42:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5001D37B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 07:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40407.mail.yahoo.com (web40407.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8AC143F75 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 07:42:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from catlord17@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030514144233.18566.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.208.92.45] by web40407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2003 07:42:33 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: RexFelis To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <3EC233C9.30003@forsetti.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:42:34 -0000 > Glad to hear about your success!! This is really a self-esteem building operating system. I think it should be in all schools. lol Here's a few > tips to speed you along: > > Try out burncd for your CD burner (man burncd). Check. Will do. :) > > As for CUPS, which is pretty darn slick, once > you have it installed, and turn your browser to > localhost:631 for configuration, try using > ports/print/xpp. It is a gui pop-up interface > for print-time printer selection. Whereever a > program is configged to use lpr, simply replace > it with xpp. > > Congrats, and good luck! > -Matt That info is sure to be invaluable. Thanks for the tips. :) I have now to deal with a curious little showstopper I have encountered dealing with my ppp connection... so I'll be posting that on -questions, since I cannot find any other information pertaining to it. Shannon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 08:05:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D84C37B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 08:05:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao06.cox.net (lakemtao06.cox.net [68.1.17.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F054F43FCB for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 08:05:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesuscash@cox.net) Received: from cox.net ([68.13.157.151]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030514150534.OVJP23505.lakemtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC25B3F.903@cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:05:35 -0500 From: Jesus Cash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ko, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, ga, ja, ko-kp, ko-kr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:05:36 -0000 I'm pretty much in the same boat as Shannon here. Maybe not as advanced in Linux, but there was just something in Linux that I felt was off. I've been telling people I've never said I love an OS before, but I love FreeBSD. As for learning curve? What learning curve? :P I pretty much just threw myself in and have been figuring stuff out for myself. Most importantly, it's been a FUN learning experience. -B clayton rollins wrote: > > Hi Catlord, > >> On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:16:39 -0700 (PDT) RexFelis >> wrote: >> >> >> Hi, everyone! >> >> I have been a lurker for quite some time, with a >> few questions to the -questions mailing list here >> and there. Mostly, I just read, make my own >> mistakes, and muddle through them. >> >> I was just reading a request for help on the >> newbies list and I realized that I understood >> what was wrong by the error message! Not that I >> know the answer, but I understood the error >> message. That was a big surprise for me.... it >> means I understand (finally!) the >> disk/partition/slice naming conventions. I >> thought I'd never get that. lol >> > (snip) > > Congrats. Seems like your starting to get past the learning curve... > I know exactly how you feel. > >> >> I LOVE FreeBSD!!! >> > (snip) > > So does everybody that's stuck with it long enough to see why it's so > useful. (Read - everyone that's learned enough to complete the install.) > > As a side note, since my first install, I have now installed freebsd > on around 20 different computers with almost no errors. (It was mostly > just learning what things, like "out of inodes", meant; now I can > install it right the first time, almost every time.) > >> >> Just loving PortUpgrade and Make Buildworld/Make >> Buildkernel. This is the good life. :) >> > > Yeah, I just love the script maintainers around here. (I recently > upgraded my comp. after about an 8 month stretch; not a single problem.) > >> >> Shannon >> > > Just thought I'd give my thoughts, > Clayton > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 08:11:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68D837B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 08:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao06.cox.net (lakemtao06.cox.net [68.1.17.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C3143FAF for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 08:11:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesuscash@cox.net) Received: from cox.net ([68.13.157.151]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030514151141.OWMQ23505.lakemtao06.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:11:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC25CAE.1000000@cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:11:42 -0500 From: Jesus Cash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ko, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, ga, ja, ko-kp, ko-kr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20030514144233.18566.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030514144233.18566.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:11:43 -0000 That's another thing, the community here is really learned as well as really helpful. While I am new I have not run into the elitist snobs that often occupy the Linux groups. I was having issues with GDM after doing a fresh install and CVSUPing the latest port tree. I posted something to the -Gnome group and found some one was having a similar problem. In a couple days there was an update to the GDM2 port tree while had a fixed make file and a patch. Get that kind of instant gratification from M$? Nope. Get the ability to practice and learn an OS that is or like the OSes used on many servers with M$? Nope... w00t to FreeBSD -B (I've noticed that the -Newbies group might as well be part of the -Advocacy list :P) RexFelis wrote: >>Glad to hear about your success!! >> >> > >This is really a self-esteem building operating >system. I think it should be in all schools. >lol > > Here's a few > > >>tips to speed you along: >> >>Try out burncd for your CD burner (man burncd). >> >> > >Check. Will do. :) > > > >>As for CUPS, which is pretty darn slick, once >>you have it installed, and turn your browser to >>localhost:631 for configuration, try using >>ports/print/xpp. It is a gui pop-up interface >>for print-time printer selection. Whereever a >>program is configged to use lpr, simply replace >>it with xpp. >> >>Congrats, and good luck! >>-Matt >> >> > >That info is sure to be invaluable. Thanks for >the tips. :) > >I have now to deal with a curious little >showstopper I have encountered dealing with my >ppp connection... so I'll be posting that on >-questions, since I cannot find any other >information pertaining to it. > >Shannon > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 10:58:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4838237B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:58:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F0743F3F for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 10:58:45 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F997003CD6DB for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from chester (200.50.48.138) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EBB206100368374 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:07:56 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Tom To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 14:01:27 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305141401.28243.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: free bsd install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:58:46 -0000 hi all, i'm currently running on a laptop and i wanted to test freebsd. i have a= free=20 partition with ~ 3 gb of space. the other partitions contain linux. how= do=20 i go about getting freebsd installed into that partition and booting with= out=20 disturbing that *other* os ;) thanks From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 11:06:42 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4821237B404 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao05.cox.net (lakemtao05.cox.net [68.1.17.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B5143FBF for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 11:06:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesuscash@cox.net) Received: from cox.net ([68.13.157.151]) by lakemtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030514180641.JMAC28938.lakemtao05.cox.net@cox.net> for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 14:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC285B2.3000305@cox.net> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 13:06:42 -0500 From: Jesus Cash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ko, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, ga, ja, ko-kp, ko-kr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20030514152545.21062.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20030514152545.21062.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:06:42 -0000 Mandrake was my Linux as choice as well. I totally see what you mean. These major distros are getting to be just like MS. Proprietary and bloated. I've mentioned this before, but I tried install Red Hat 9 on my dinky laptop, thinking I could just strip it down to basics. Nope, just said your computer is crap and can't install Red Hat 9. Once I can get some working floppies (mine all crapped out when I carried them unprotected in my laptop bag) I'll install FreeBSD on it. Maybe I'll try my hand at loading OS/2 (I'm a little worried about trying to run XFree86 or any desktop on it). -B RexFelis wrote: >Here's another example why I use FreeBSD now... > >Why does it have to be such a hassle for me to >install a single program that I need under Linux? > I was trying to make custom recorded audio CDs >(not music CDs), like I used to in Win98 using >Voyetra's software. I looked around and found >Audacity. It looked good... but Linux Mandrake >made me crazy with dependencies. FreeBSD just >downloaded and installed them. 3.5 days of >frustration in Linux, 35 minutes of surfing the >web while the program was downloaded, patched, >custom compiled and installed on FreeBSD. > >Linux seems to be heading in a couple of >directions I disagree with. Dependency hell >whenever you try to do what YOU want to do is one >of them. (Mandrake works great as long as you >only use Mandrake-prepackaged software.) The >other is the growing commercialization of the >major distros. I don't want shareholders telling >me how to run my computer! > >I agree with JC, FreeBSD is fun. I was having >fun with Linux, until I realized what fun really >is. :) Freedom is always more fun. > >Shannon > >--- Jesus Cash wrote: > > >>I'm pretty much in the same boat as Shannon >>here. Maybe not as advanced >>in Linux, but there was just something in Linux >>that I felt was off. >>I've been telling people I've never said I love >>an OS before, but I love >>FreeBSD. >> >>As for learning curve? What learning curve? :P >>I pretty much just threw >>myself in and have been figuring stuff out for >>myself. Most importantly, >>it's been a FUN learning experience. >> >>-B >> >> >> > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >http://search.yahoo.com > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 12:38:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CC437B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:38:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thalia.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 087AF43F85 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 12:38:02 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr364-a15.otenet.gr [195.167.109.47]) by thalia.otenet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4EJbug4001348; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:37:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4EJbtTf060159; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:37:55 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4EJSphd038565; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:28:51 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@freebsd.org) Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:28:51 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: catlord17@yahoo.com Message-ID: <20030514192851.GC1751@gothmog.gr> References: <20030514021639.22057.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030514021639.22057.qmail@web40407.mail.yahoo.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:38:03 -0000 On 2003-05-13 19:16, catlord17@yahoo.com wrote: > I was just reading a request for help on the newbies list and I > realized that I understood what was wrong by the error message! > Not that I know the answer, but I understood the error message. > That was a big surprise for me.... it means I understand (finally!) > the disk/partition/slice naming conventions. I thought I'd never > get that. lol Hahaha... This is a sure sign that you're becoming an experienced user of a system. After all, what is experience? It's many things & the ability to understand what's going on when error message pops up is certainly one of them. Good, good. This is great news! We have another FreeBSD'er :-) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 16:10:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1977937B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBF6943F85 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:10:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mj001@rogers.com) Received: from rogers.com ([24.101.253.54]) by fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.comESMTP <20030514231020.BVSI4557.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@rogers.com>; Wed, 14 May 2003 19:10:20 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC2CCD8.5060500@rogers.com> Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:10:16 -0400 From: mj001 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20021005 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jesus Cash References: <20030514152545.21062.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> <3EC285B2.3000305@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [24.101.253.54] using ID at Wed, 14 May 2003 19:10:20 -0400 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:10:23 -0000 Jesus Cash wrote: > Mandrake was my Linux as choice as well. I totally see what you mean. > These major distros are getting to be just like MS. Proprietary and > bloated. I've mentioned this before, but I tried install Red Hat 9 on my > dinky laptop, thinking I could just strip it down to basics. Nope, just > said your computer is crap and can't install Red Hat 9. Once I can get > some working floppies (mine all crapped out when I carried them > unprotected in my laptop bag) I'll install FreeBSD on it. Maybe I'll try > my hand at loading OS/2 (I'm a little worried about trying to run > XFree86 or any desktop on it). > > -B > > RexFelis wrote: > >> Here's another example why I use FreeBSD now... >> >> Why does it have to be such a hassle for me to >> install a single program that I need under Linux? >> I was trying to make custom recorded audio CDs >> (not music CDs), like I used to in Win98 using >> Voyetra's software. I looked around and found >> Audacity. It looked good... but Linux Mandrake >> made me crazy with dependencies. FreeBSD just >> downloaded and installed them. 3.5 days of >> frustration in Linux, 35 minutes of surfing the >> web while the program was downloaded, patched, >> custom compiled and installed on FreeBSD. >> >> Linux seems to be heading in a couple of >> directions I disagree with. Dependency hell >> whenever you try to do what YOU want to do is one >> of them. (Mandrake works great as long as you >> only use Mandrake-prepackaged software.) The >> other is the growing commercialization of the >> major distros. I don't want shareholders telling >> me how to run my computer! >> >> I agree with JC, FreeBSD is fun. I was having >> fun with Linux, until I realized what fun really >> is. :) Freedom is always more fun. >> >> Shannon >> >> --- Jesus Cash wrote: >> >> >>> I'm pretty much in the same boat as Shannon >>> here. Maybe not as advanced in Linux, but there was just something in >>> Linux >>> that I felt was off. I've been telling people I've never said I love >>> an OS before, but I love FreeBSD. >>> >>> As for learning curve? What learning curve? :P >>> I pretty much just threw myself in and have been figuring stuff out for >>> myself. Most importantly, it's been a FUN learning experience. >>> >>> -B >>> >>> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >> http://search.yahoo.com >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > How big is your laptop? I used to run FreeBSD and X-Windows (but not KDE or GNOME) on a 486DX33 (non-laptop) with 20MB. It worked, but was somewhat slow. A Pentium 120 with 48 MB runs KDE 3.0 quite well. But a NEC Versa LX laptop with 64 MB is impossibly slow - I suspect it may be the disk speed. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 16:32:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5662237B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.home.se (smtp2.home.se [213.214.194.102]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF4F043F75 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 16:32:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from lasse.lindgren@home.se) Received: from boromir lasse.lindgren@home.se [213.67.48.124] Novell NetWare; Thu, 15 May 2003 00:32:02 -119304547 From: "lasse lindgren" To: Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 01:32:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000801c31a71$198159c0$7c3043d5@boromir> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Importance: Normal Subject: installing 4.8 using pxe X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:32:45 -0000 Hello Im new to this list and new to freebsd, actually i havent installed it yet. The thing is i have to use PXE to install it, and there is NO floppy,NO cdrom or VGA on this computer. Now you might wonder what is it you are installing? It's a motorola 5360. Its capable of pxebooting, (im from the linux world) hda is a 16M cf Hdb is a standard harddrive. User interface is a serialport, running @38400,8n1. NIC is a eepro100 The computer is currently installed with linux, but since i have many computers like this one, i thought about migrating into freebsd. I guess in linuxterm's i need a kernel and a rootdisk with the install package. I tried the ones from the cd, it didn't give me any output on the serial port. (that i know workes, since before it loads the kernel i have to type what it should boot ...) Please help :) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 20:25:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACABC37B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 20:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40409.mail.yahoo.com (web40409.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 44DF143F85 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 20:25:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from catlord17@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030515032555.99908.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.75.68.109] by web40409.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 May 2003 20:25:55 PDT Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:25:55 -0700 (PDT) From: RexFelis To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20030514192851.GC1751@gothmog.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 03:25:56 -0000 --- Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > Hahaha... This is a sure sign that you're > becoming an experienced > user of a system. After all, what is > experience? It's many things & > the ability to understand what's going on when > error message pops up > is certainly one of them. > > Good, good. This is great news! > > We have another FreeBSD'er :-) > Indeed you do. Now I find myself having to bite my tongue when I surf my old Linux-centric haunts and I see someone describe a frustration I find easily solved with FreeBSD... heheh I'm not against Linux, of course, but it just seems less than ideal now. And of course now I have to resist the urge to switch my mom and girlfriend over from their long-stable Mandrake boxes. :) Tinkering always causes me trouble, but I'm kind of addicted. lol So far, FreeBSD seems to stand up to tinkering much better than anything else I have used. Shannon __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 14 22:26:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D107937B401 for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:26:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B82A43F3F for ; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gwschenk@socal.rr.com) Received: from fuzz.socal.rr.com (cpe-66-74-152-230.socal.rr.com [66.74.152.230])h4F5NiS10308; Wed, 14 May 2003 22:23:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Schenk To: lasse lindgren , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:26:15 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <000801c31a71$198159c0$7c3043d5@boromir> In-Reply-To: <000801c31a71$198159c0$7c3043d5@boromir> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200305142226.15605.gwschenk@socal.rr.com> Subject: Re: installing 4.8 using pxe X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 05:26:19 -0000 On Wednesday 14 May 2003 04:32 pm, lasse lindgren wrote: > Hello > > Im new to this list and new to freebsd, actually i havent installed > it yet. > The thing is i have to use PXE to install it, and there is NO > floppy,NO cdrom or VGA on this computer. > > Now you might wonder what is it you are installing? It's a motorola > 5360. > > Its capable of pxebooting, (im from the linux world) hda is a 16M cf > Hdb is a standard harddrive. User interface is a serialport, running > @38400,8n1. NIC is a eepro100 > > The computer is currently installed with linux, but since i have many > computers like this one, i thought about migrating into freebsd. > > I guess in linuxterm's i need a kernel and a rootdisk with the > install package. I tried the ones from the cd, it didn't give me any > output on the serial port. (that i know workes, since before it loads > the kernel i have to type what it should boot ...) > > Please help :) You'll have better luck asking this on freebsd-questions. We are all rookies here. Good luck, and let us know how it works out. Gary From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 05:30:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C4F537B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 05:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thalia.otenet.gr (mailsrv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAECC43F75 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 05:30:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-b182.otenet.gr [212.205.244.190]) by thalia.otenet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FCUHg4016515; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:30:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FCU9Z9000986; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:30:15 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4FCLnZt000936; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:21:49 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:21:49 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: catlord17@yahoo.com Message-ID: <20030515122149.GB677@gothmog.gr> References: <20030514192851.GC1751@gothmog.gr> <20030515032555.99908.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030515032555.99908.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:30:25 -0000 On 2003-05-14 20:25, RexFelis wrote: >--- Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> Good, good. This is great news! >> We have another FreeBSD'er :-) > > Indeed you do. Now I find myself having to bite my tongue when I surf > my old Linux-centric haunts and I see someone describe a frustration I > find easily solved with FreeBSD... heheh > > I'm not against Linux, of course, but it just seems less than ideal > now. And of course now I have to resist the urge to switch my mom and > girlfriend over from their long-stable Mandrake boxes. :) Nah. If it works, don't break it. I'm slowly passing hints and small tips to my mother about OpenOffice and gnome too. She's happy and works fine with her Windows desktop so far, so pushing things isn't good. But localised versions of a few programs is all she needs: - A word processor. - An email reader. - A web browser. - A spell checker. That's more or less all that most users need from a workstation these days. (Well, these and a player for multimedia files). > Tinkering always causes me trouble, but I'm kind of addicted. lol :) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 05:45:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD8A137B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 05:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.uits.uconn.edu (mail2.uits.uconn.edu [137.99.25.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1437843F85 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 05:45:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@forsetti.com) Received: from forsetti.com (d80h149.public.uconn.edu [137.99.80.149]) by mail2.uits.uconn.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4FCjs200484 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 08:45:54 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC38C02.3020900@forsetti.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:45:54 -0400 From: Matthew Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3.1) Gecko/20030509 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20030514192851.GC1751@gothmog.gr> <20030515032555.99908.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> <20030515122149.GB677@gothmog.gr> In-Reply-To: <20030515122149.GB677@gothmog.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:45:59 -0000 Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >On 2003-05-14 20:25, RexFelis wrote: > > >>--- Giorgos Keramidas wrote: >> >> >>>Good, good. This is great news! >>>We have another FreeBSD'er :-) >>> >>> >>Indeed you do. Now I find myself having to bite my tongue when I surf >>my old Linux-centric haunts and I see someone describe a frustration I >>find easily solved with FreeBSD... heheh >> >>I'm not against Linux, of course, but it just seems less than ideal >>now. And of course now I have to resist the urge to switch my mom and >>girlfriend over from their long-stable Mandrake boxes. :) >> >> > >Nah. If it works, don't break it. > >I'm slowly passing hints and small tips to my mother about OpenOffice >and gnome too. She's happy and works fine with her Windows desktop so >far, so pushing things isn't good. But localised versions of a few >programs is all she needs: > > - A word processor. > - An email reader. > - A web browser. > - A spell checker. > >That's more or less all that most users need from a workstation >these days. (Well, these and a player for multimedia files). > > > >>Tinkering always causes me trouble, but I'm kind of addicted. lol >> >> > >:) > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > As I build my li'l brother a new box for school, I would love to put FreeBSD, (or even Linux if I had to) on it, especially when faced with $$$ for WinXP. Unfortunately, for him to get support at school (small music school, too far away for me to support him), it's got to be either Windows or Mac. I'm considering talking him into a Mac/OSX, but I can build him something MUCH cheaper, even if it does get WinXP. Too bad I can't build him a Mac! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 10:10:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2675D37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 10:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lakemtao06.cox.net (lakemtao06.cox.net [68.1.17.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2321143FA3 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 10:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesuscash@cox.net) Received: from cox.net ([68.13.157.151]) by lakemtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030515171002.XIVA23505.lakemtao06.cox.net@cox.net>; Thu, 15 May 2003 13:10:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3EC3C9ED.5030003@cox.net> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:10:05 -0500 From: Jesus Cash User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, ko, de, de-at, de-de, de-li, de-lu, de-ch, el, he, ga, ja, ko-kp, ko-kr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mj001 References: <20030514152545.21062.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> <3EC285B2.3000305@cox.net> <3EC2CCD8.5060500@rogers.com> In-Reply-To: <3EC2CCD8.5060500@rogers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:10:04 -0000 P100, 16 megs of RAM. However if I wanted to shell out 75 dollars I could probably get the 32 meg upgrade available for it. -B mj001 wrote: > Jesus Cash wrote: > >> Mandrake was my Linux as choice as well. I totally see what you mean. >> These major distros are getting to be just like MS. Proprietary and >> bloated. I've mentioned this before, but I tried install Red Hat 9 on >> my dinky laptop, thinking I could just strip it down to basics. Nope, >> just said your computer is crap and can't install Red Hat 9. Once I >> can get some working floppies (mine all crapped out when I carried >> them unprotected in my laptop bag) I'll install FreeBSD on it. Maybe >> I'll try my hand at loading OS/2 (I'm a little worried about trying >> to run XFree86 or any desktop on it). >> >> -B >> >> RexFelis wrote: >> >>> Here's another example why I use FreeBSD now... >>> >>> Why does it have to be such a hassle for me to >>> install a single program that I need under Linux? >>> I was trying to make custom recorded audio CDs >>> (not music CDs), like I used to in Win98 using >>> Voyetra's software. I looked around and found >>> Audacity. It looked good... but Linux Mandrake >>> made me crazy with dependencies. FreeBSD just >>> downloaded and installed them. 3.5 days of >>> frustration in Linux, 35 minutes of surfing the >>> web while the program was downloaded, patched, >>> custom compiled and installed on FreeBSD. >>> >>> Linux seems to be heading in a couple of >>> directions I disagree with. Dependency hell >>> whenever you try to do what YOU want to do is one >>> of them. (Mandrake works great as long as you >>> only use Mandrake-prepackaged software.) The >>> other is the growing commercialization of the >>> major distros. I don't want shareholders telling >>> me how to run my computer! >>> >>> I agree with JC, FreeBSD is fun. I was having >>> fun with Linux, until I realized what fun really >>> is. :) Freedom is always more fun. >>> >>> Shannon >>> >>> --- Jesus Cash wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'm pretty much in the same boat as Shannon >>>> here. Maybe not as advanced in Linux, but there was just something >>>> in Linux >>>> that I felt was off. I've been telling people I've never said I love >>>> an OS before, but I love FreeBSD. >>>> >>>> As for learning curve? What learning curve? :P >>>> I pretty much just threw myself in and have been figuring stuff out >>>> for >>>> myself. Most importantly, it's been a FUN learning experience. >>>> >>>> -B >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __________________________________ >>> Do you Yahoo!? >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. >>> http://search.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > How big is your laptop? I used to run FreeBSD and X-Windows (but not > KDE or GNOME) on a 486DX33 (non-laptop) with 20MB. It worked, but was > somewhat slow. A Pentium 120 with 48 MB runs KDE 3.0 quite well. But > a NEC Versa LX laptop with 64 MB is impossibly slow - I suspect it may > be the disk speed. > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 12:09:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF41A37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:09:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.niue.nu (202-0-50-3.paradise.net.nz [202.0.50.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5766A43F85 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 12:08:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stclair@niue.nu) Received: from suseit [202.0.50.7] by niue.nu [202.0.50.3] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.7.R) for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 08:08:10 -1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Richard StClair Organization: Internet Niue To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 08:08:09 -1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305150808.09606.stclair@niue.nu> X-MDRemoteIP: 202.0.50.7 X-Return-Path: stclair@niue.nu X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Message on Boot X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: stclair@niue.nu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:09:02 -0000 Hello Group, freeBSD 5.0 ON boot I get this: May 15 08:03:32=09sit sm-mta [393]:my unqiualified hostname sit unknown;=20 sleeping for retry This thing is trying to qualify that hostname ( sit ) and can't so it jus= t=20 sits there, and I can do a control C to continue, but I don't know why it= =20 started doing this...it didn't when I first did the installation.=20 --=20 Regards, Richard St Clair, Co-Founder Technical Manager Internet Users Society Niue Chairman, Pacific Island Chapter ISOC -------------------------------------------- stclair@niue.nu www.niue.nu Voice (68 3) 4630 Fax (68 3) 4237 Internet Service Provider, Niue Island -------------------------------------------- ISOC, NCOC, ARRL,ISOCNZ, PICISOC, APTLD -------------------------------------------- Niue Island South Pacific 169 West 19 South -------------------------------------------- Don't forget, Nuts feed the squirrels. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 14:31:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C51037B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E02543F75 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:31:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F9970040A36F for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:40:35 -0400 Received: from chester (200.89.55.179) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EBB2061004370A6 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 17:40:25 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tom To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:34:21 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <20030514152545.21062.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com> <3EC2CCD8.5060500@rogers.com> <3EC3C9ED.5030003@cox.net> In-Reply-To: <3EC3C9ED.5030003@cox.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305151734.21135.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: used computers was: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:31:29 -0000 last i saw, used compaq p233's w/ 32 mb ram and 1 to 2 gb hard drives and= a=20 cdrom were selling for $30, $20 without the drive. given what you have, = that=20 would make a nice little server. check around for some used state/county/city computers...they usually hav= e=20 them by the palletful somewhere. --tom On Thursday 15 May 2003 11:10, Jesus Cash wrote: > P100, 16 megs of RAM. However if I wanted to shell out 75 dollars I > could probably get the 32 meg upgrade available for it. > > -B > > mj001 wrote: > > Jesus Cash wrote: > >> Mandrake was my Linux as choice as well. I totally see what you mean= =2E > >> These major distros are getting to be just like MS. Proprietary and > >> bloated. I've mentioned this before, but I tried install Red Hat 9 o= n > >> my dinky laptop, thinking I could just strip it down to basics. Nope= , > >> just said your computer is crap and can't install Red Hat 9. Once I > >> can get some working floppies (mine all crapped out when I carried > >> them unprotected in my laptop bag) I'll install FreeBSD on it. Maybe > >> I'll try my hand at loading OS/2 (I'm a little worried about trying > >> to run XFree86 or any desktop on it). > >> > >> -B > >> > >> RexFelis wrote: > >>> Here's another example why I use FreeBSD now... > >>> > >>> Why does it have to be such a hassle for me to > >>> install a single program that I need under Linux? > >>> I was trying to make custom recorded audio CDs > >>> (not music CDs), like I used to in Win98 using > >>> Voyetra's software. I looked around and found > >>> Audacity. It looked good... but Linux Mandrake > >>> made me crazy with dependencies. FreeBSD just > >>> downloaded and installed them. 3.5 days of > >>> frustration in Linux, 35 minutes of surfing the > >>> web while the program was downloaded, patched, > >>> custom compiled and installed on FreeBSD. > >>> > >>> Linux seems to be heading in a couple of > >>> directions I disagree with. Dependency hell > >>> whenever you try to do what YOU want to do is one > >>> of them. (Mandrake works great as long as you > >>> only use Mandrake-prepackaged software.) The > >>> other is the growing commercialization of the > >>> major distros. I don't want shareholders telling > >>> me how to run my computer! > >>> > >>> I agree with JC, FreeBSD is fun. I was having > >>> fun with Linux, until I realized what fun really > >>> is. :) Freedom is always more fun. > >>> > >>> Shannon > >>> > >>> --- Jesus Cash wrote: > >>>> I'm pretty much in the same boat as Shannon > >>>> here. Maybe not as advanced in Linux, but there was just something > >>>> in Linux > >>>> that I felt was off. I've been telling people I've never said I lo= ve > >>>> an OS before, but I love FreeBSD. > >>>> > >>>> As for learning curve? What learning curve? :P > >>>> I pretty much just threw myself in and have been figuring stuff ou= t > >>>> for > >>>> myself. Most importantly, it's been a FUN learning experience. > >>>> > >>>> -B > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >>> http://search.yahoo.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > How big is your laptop? I used to run FreeBSD and X-Windows (but not > > KDE or GNOME) on a 486DX33 (non-laptop) with 20MB. It worked, but wa= s > > somewhat slow. A Pentium 120 with 48 MB runs KDE 3.0 quite well. Bu= t > > a NEC Versa LX laptop with 64 MB is impossibly slow - I suspect it ma= y > > be the disk speed. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 14:52:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8558F37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798C543F93 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:52:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F9970040B4FF for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:01:28 -0400 Received: from chester (200.89.55.179) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EBB20610043A869 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:01:18 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Tom To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:54:46 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305151754.46981.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: freebsd 5 first installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:52:08 -0000 hi all, i just installed freebsd 5 on my laptop. the minimal install + ftp + ema= cs=20 looks alot like...*nix. gee, imagine that. unfortunately, they chose th= e c=20 shell and bourne shells as default :( anyways, the installer was a bit annoying because it looked like it was s= tuck=20 in a loop...i looped a coupla times because i was reading something else.= =20 but, freebsd's subtle hint of going back to the same screen helped...so i= did=20 the postconfig stuff. =20 i don't mind text based / curses configs...in fact, i prefer them. i hat= e=20 clicking, especially in freeciv. ah, the joys of unix! =20 i really like how the default font is something like 24 pt...very easy to= =20 read. =20 however, there are problems. first, i chose to install bash from the=20 additional software section. emacs installed, but bash did not. weird! also, PPP over ethernet wasn't an option...also weird because DSL is comm= on. usb support also failed. has anyone seen any supporting documentation for PPPoe? the bsd handbook= =20 didn't have anything on it. thanks, tom From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 14:56:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DF037B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pop018.verizon.net (pop018pub.verizon.net [206.46.170.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0582D43F75 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mike@pcmedx.com) Received: from duron.pcmedx.com ([4.46.79.201]) by pop018.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.05.33 201-253-122-126-133-20030313) with ESMTP id <20030515215604.ICJL17739.pop018.verizon.net@duron.pcmedx.com> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:56:04 -0500 Received: from mike (mike.pcmedx.com [192.168.240.248]) by duron.pcmedx.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A755A99C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01c31b2c$c1ca2fb0$f8f0a8c0@pcmedx.com> From: "Mike Maltese" To: References: <200305151754.46981.tsasser@terra.cl> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 14:55:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at pop018.verizon.net from [4.46.79.201] at Thu, 15 May 2003 16:56:04 -0500 Subject: Re: freebsd 5 first installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:56:06 -0000 >has anyone seen any supporting documentation for PPPoe? the bsd handbook >didn't have anything on it. http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 15:05:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91BD37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:05:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF1043FE0 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:05:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F9970040BF2A; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:14:31 -0400 Received: from chester (200.89.55.179) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EBB20610043CBE3; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:14:21 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Tom To: "Mike Maltese" , Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:08:17 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200305151754.46981.tsasser@terra.cl> <000c01c31b2c$c1ca2fb0$f8f0a8c0@pcmedx.com> In-Reply-To: <000c01c31b2c$c1ca2fb0$f8f0a8c0@pcmedx.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305151808.17377.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: Re: freebsd 5 first installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:05:11 -0000 On Thursday 15 May 2003 15:55, Mike Maltese wrote: > >has anyone seen any supporting documentation for PPPoe? the bsd handb= ook > >didn't have anything on it. > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/pppoe.html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" perfect! hacking commences.... thanks! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 15 15:38:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18F6D37B401 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net (stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111BC43FAF for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:38:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jesuscash@cox.net) Received: from [199.38.33.126] (helo=OM2929D1) by stork.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19GRN7-0003bR-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:38:46 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c31b32$c7ea1f30$7e651eac@prod.westworlds.com> From: "Brandon Barnes" To: "Tom" , References: <20030514152545.21062.qmail@web40402.mail.yahoo.com><3EC2CCD8.5060500@rogers.com> <3EC3C9ED.5030003@cox.net> <200305151734.21135.tsasser@terra.cl> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 17:39:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4910.0300 X-ELNK-Trace: 173ceee98ce2438e0e1b13634061d4137e972de0d01da9405831801db4bec3947c32404f8fa3cbbf350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Subject: Re: used computers was: Re: Yahoo!!! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:38:50 -0000 It's a laptop though. :P ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom" To: Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 18:34 Subject: used computers was: Re: Yahoo!!! last i saw, used compaq p233's w/ 32 mb ram and 1 to 2 gb hard drives and a cdrom were selling for $30, $20 without the drive. given what you have, that would make a nice little server. check around for some used state/county/city computers...they usually have them by the palletful somewhere. --tom On Thursday 15 May 2003 11:10, Jesus Cash wrote: > P100, 16 megs of RAM. However if I wanted to shell out 75 dollars I > could probably get the 32 meg upgrade available for it. > > -B > > mj001 wrote: > > Jesus Cash wrote: > >> Mandrake was my Linux as choice as well. I totally see what you mean. > >> These major distros are getting to be just like MS. Proprietary and > >> bloated. I've mentioned this before, but I tried install Red Hat 9 on > >> my dinky laptop, thinking I could just strip it down to basics. Nope, > >> just said your computer is crap and can't install Red Hat 9. Once I > >> can get some working floppies (mine all crapped out when I carried > >> them unprotected in my laptop bag) I'll install FreeBSD on it. Maybe > >> I'll try my hand at loading OS/2 (I'm a little worried about trying > >> to run XFree86 or any desktop on it). > >> > >> -B > >> > >> RexFelis wrote: > >>> Here's another example why I use FreeBSD now... > >>> > >>> Why does it have to be such a hassle for me to > >>> install a single program that I need under Linux? > >>> I was trying to make custom recorded audio CDs > >>> (not music CDs), like I used to in Win98 using > >>> Voyetra's software. I looked around and found > >>> Audacity. It looked good... but Linux Mandrake > >>> made me crazy with dependencies. FreeBSD just > >>> downloaded and installed them. 3.5 days of > >>> frustration in Linux, 35 minutes of surfing the > >>> web while the program was downloaded, patched, > >>> custom compiled and installed on FreeBSD. > >>> > >>> Linux seems to be heading in a couple of > >>> directions I disagree with. Dependency hell > >>> whenever you try to do what YOU want to do is one > >>> of them. (Mandrake works great as long as you > >>> only use Mandrake-prepackaged software.) The > >>> other is the growing commercialization of the > >>> major distros. I don't want shareholders telling > >>> me how to run my computer! > >>> > >>> I agree with JC, FreeBSD is fun. I was having > >>> fun with Linux, until I realized what fun really > >>> is. :) Freedom is always more fun. > >>> > >>> Shannon > >>> > >>> --- Jesus Cash wrote: > >>>> I'm pretty much in the same boat as Shannon > >>>> here. Maybe not as advanced in Linux, but there was just something > >>>> in Linux > >>>> that I felt was off. I've been telling people I've never said I love > >>>> an OS before, but I love FreeBSD. > >>>> > >>>> As for learning curve? What learning curve? :P > >>>> I pretty much just threw myself in and have been figuring stuff out > >>>> for > >>>> myself. Most importantly, it's been a FUN learning experience. > >>>> > >>>> -B > >>> > >>> __________________________________ > >>> Do you Yahoo!? > >>> The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > >>> http://search.yahoo.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to > >> "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > How big is your laptop? I used to run FreeBSD and X-Windows (but not > > KDE or GNOME) on a 486DX33 (non-laptop) with 20MB. It worked, but was > > somewhat slow. A Pentium 120 with 48 MB runs KDE 3.0 quite well. But > > a NEC Versa LX laptop with 64 MB is impossibly slow - I suspect it may > > be the disk speed. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 12:29:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5480B37B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.niue.nu (202-0-50-3.paradise.net.nz [202.0.50.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5F643F93 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stclair@niue.nu) Received: from sit [202.0.50.7] by niue.nu [202.0.50.3] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.7.R) for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:29:15 -1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Richard StClair Organization: Internet Niue To: Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:29:14 -1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305160829.14589.stclair@niue.nu> X-MDRemoteIP: 202.0.50.7 X-Return-Path: stclair@niue.nu X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Sound Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: stclair@niue.nu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:29:30 -0000 Hello, freeBSD 5.0. I have a standard ordinary SB16 sound card....in this particular machine.= =2E..on=20 a standard install, what do I have to do to get bsd to see it and use it?= I=20 thought it would just do it on install.=20 --=20 Regards, Richard Saint Clair, Co-Founder Technical Manager Internet Users Society Niue Chairman, Pacific Island Chapter ISOC -------------------------------------------- stclair@niue.nu www.niue.nu Voice (68 3) 4630 Fax (68 3) 4237 Internet Service Provider, Niue Island -------------------------------------------- ISP/C, ISOC, APIA, NCOC, ISOCNZ, PICISOC, ARRL -------------------------------------------- Niue Island South Pacific 169 West 19 South -------------------------------------------- Don't forget, Nuts feed the squirrels. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 12:43:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEB137B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0925E43F75 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:43:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HEZ00472W2BMB@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:32:04 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7MQF8D; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:33:32 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:42:43 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200305160829.14589.stclair@niue.nu> To: stclair@niue.nu, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200305161242.43695.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200305160829.14589.stclair@niue.nu> Subject: Re: Sound Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:43:14 -0000 On Friday 16 May 2003 12:29 pm, Richard StClair wrote: > I have a standard ordinary SB16 sound card....in this particular > machine....on a standard install, what do I have to do to get bsd to > see it and use it? I thought it would just do it on install. FreeBSD Handbook, Chapter 16, Section 2, "Setting Up The Sound Card". It's a really great handbook. Absolutely wonderful. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 12:48:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E184437B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.niue.nu (202-0-50-3.paradise.net.nz [202.0.50.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5822E43F75 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:48:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stclair@niue.nu) Received: from freeBSD [202.0.50.7] by niue.nu [202.0.50.3] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.7.R) for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:47:49 -1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Richard StClair Organization: Internet Niue To: Johnson David , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:47:47 -1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200305160829.14589.stclair@niue.nu> <200305161242.43695.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <200305161242.43695.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305160847.47940.stclair@niue.nu> X-MDRemoteIP: 202.0.50.7 X-Return-Path: stclair@niue.nu X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: stclair@niue.nu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:48:59 -0000 > > I have a standard ordinary SB16 sound card....in this particular > > machine....on a standard install, what do I have to do to get bsd to > > see it and use it? I thought it would just do it on install. > > FreeBSD Handbook, Chapter 16, Section 2, "Setting Up The Sound Card". > It's a really great handbook. Absolutely wonderful. I'm sure it's fantastic.....mine has been on it's way for some period of = weeks=20 now. We get one boat per month to Niue with mail on it, and if something=20 misses that boat then it takes another month to get here. So I'm still=20 waiting for my copy....and in the meantime I was hoping to get this machi= ne=20 running a little better.=20 But thanks for the tip.=20 --=20 Regards, Richard Saint Clair, Co-Founder Technical Manager Internet Users Society Niue Chairman, Pacific Island Chapter ISOC -------------------------------------------- stclair@niue.nu www.niue.nu Voice (68 3) 4630 Fax (68 3) 4237 Internet Service Provider, Niue Island -------------------------------------------- ISP/C, ISOC, APIA, NCOC, ISOCNZ, PICISOC, ARRL -------------------------------------------- Niue Island South Pacific 169 West 19 South -------------------------------------------- Don't forget, Nuts feed the squirrels. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 13:00:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA6337B404 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:00:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from archimedes.rsn.bth.se (archimedes.rsn.bth.se [194.47.145.245]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B6A43F3F for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:00:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from defacto@home.se) Received: from jarl.home.se (as4-3-5.paa.hs.bonet.se [217.215.11.194]) by archimedes.rsn.bth.se (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4GKVRFU048991; Fri, 16 May 2003 22:31:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from defacto@home.se) Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030516215636.00b5d508@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> X-Sender: jalle@archimedes.rsn.bth.se (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:00:12 +0200 To: stclair@niue.nu, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: Jalle In-Reply-To: <200305160847.47940.stclair@niue.nu> References: <200305161242.43695.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <200305160829.14589.stclair@niue.nu> <200305161242.43695.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: Sound Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:00:22 -0000 Hehe! Great misunderstanding! Gotta love it! =o) I think David was referring to the digital version handbook, the online one that is! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.html Is the chapter you're looking for. Anyway, this is not a technical list, you'd be better of asking technical questions in the -questions list. Hope you get your soundcard working, it's really not as hard as one might think at first. Good luck! /Jalle At 08:47 2003-05-16 -1100, Richard StClair wrote: > > > I have a standard ordinary SB16 sound card....in this particular > > > machine....on a standard install, what do I have to do to get bsd to > > > see it and use it? I thought it would just do it on install. > > > > FreeBSD Handbook, Chapter 16, Section 2, "Setting Up The Sound Card". > > It's a really great handbook. Absolutely wonderful. > >I'm sure it's fantastic.....mine has been on it's way for some period of >weeks >now. We get one boat per month to Niue with mail on it, and if something >misses that boat then it takes another month to get here. So I'm still >waiting for my copy....and in the meantime I was hoping to get this machine >running a little better. > >But thanks for the tip. > >-- >Regards, >Richard Saint Clair, >Co-Founder Technical Manager >Internet Users Society Niue >Chairman, Pacific Island Chapter ISOC >-------------------------------------------- >stclair@niue.nu www.niue.nu >Voice (68 3) 4630 Fax (68 3) 4237 >Internet Service Provider, Niue Island >-------------------------------------------- >ISP/C, ISOC, APIA, NCOC, ISOCNZ, PICISOC, ARRL >-------------------------------------------- >Niue Island South Pacific 169 West 19 South >-------------------------------------------- >Don't forget, Nuts feed the squirrels. > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 13:03:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2751837B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls01.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9467343F3F for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:03:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gwschenk@socal.rr.com) Received: from socal.rr.com (cpe-66-74-152-230.socal.rr.com [66.74.152.230]) h4GK0SS08444; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3EC543F6.8060906@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 13:03:02 -0700 From: Gary Schenk User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stclair@niue.nu, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200305160829.14589.stclair@niue.nu> <200305161242.43695.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <200305160847.47940.stclair@niue.nu> In-Reply-To: <200305160847.47940.stclair@niue.nu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Sound Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:03:06 -0000 Richard StClair wrote: >>>I have a standard ordinary SB16 sound card....in this particular >>>machine....on a standard install, what do I have to do to get bsd to >>>see it and use it? I thought it would just do it on install. >> >>FreeBSD Handbook, Chapter 16, Section 2, "Setting Up The Sound Card". >>It's a really great handbook. Absolutely wonderful. > > > I'm sure it's fantastic.....mine has been on it's way for some period of weeks > now. We get one boat per month to Niue with mail on it, and if something > misses that boat then it takes another month to get here. So I'm still > waiting for my copy....and in the meantime I was hoping to get this machine > running a little better. > > But thanks for the tip. > Try here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/multimedia.html I speak from experience when I tell you that you'll have much more luck gettting help with problems when people get the impression that you've tried researching on your own first. The Handbook online is a great place to start. There are several good books out, also. I've used 'FreeBSD: An Open-Source Operating System For your Personal Computer' by Annelise Anderson and 'FreeBSD Unleashed' by Urban and Tiemann. Another book I've just started is 'Unix Shell Programming' by Kochan and Wood. The introductory chapters about the nuts and bolts of Unix are very good and full of useful information for us newbies. The best place to get help is on the freebsd-questions mailing list. The newbies list is really not for technical help. Good luck with the sound card. It is quite easy actually, even I had no problem with it! If after following the instructions from the handbook you still don't get sound, then try the questions list. Gary From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 13:10:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500C137B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.niue.nu (202-0-50-3.paradise.net.nz [202.0.50.3]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70F943FA3 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from stclair@niue.nu) Received: from freeBSD [202.0.50.7] by niue.nu [202.0.50.3] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.7.R) for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:10:03 -1100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Richard StClair Organization: Internet Niue To: Jalle , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:10:01 -1100 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: <200305161242.43695.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <5.2.1.1.0.20030516215636.00b5d508@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20030516215636.00b5d508@archimedes.rsn.bth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305160910.02143.stclair@niue.nu> X-MDRemoteIP: 202.0.50.7 X-Return-Path: stclair@niue.nu X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Sound Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: stclair@niue.nu List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:10:23 -0000 > Hehe! Great misunderstanding! Gotta love it! =3Do) ;-) > I think David was referring to the digital version handbook, the online= one > that is! > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/sound-setup.h= tml Excellent! Now that I can find.....and use until my hard copy gets here!! Thanks Muchly! --=20 Regards, Richard Saint Clair, Co-Founder Technical Manager Internet Users Society Niue Chairman, Pacific Island Chapter ISOC -------------------------------------------- stclair@niue.nu www.niue.nu Voice (68 3) 4630 Fax (68 3) 4237 Internet Service Provider, Niue Island -------------------------------------------- ISP/C, ISOC, APIA, NCOC, ISOCNZ, PICISOC, ARRL -------------------------------------------- Niue Island South Pacific 169 West 19 South -------------------------------------------- Don't forget, Nuts feed the squirrels. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 14:11:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA8637B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:11:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.acuson.com (thor.acuson.com [157.226.71.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD7443F85 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:11:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02.acuson.com (mvaexch02.acuson.com [157.226.230.209]) by thor.acuson.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 (built Feb 21 2002)) with ESMTP id <0HF00047W05PLZ@thor.acuson.com> for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:10:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:00:30 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id JQ7MQ2A9; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:01:56 -0700 Content-return: allowed Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 14:11:08 -0700 From: Johnson David In-reply-to: <200305160847.47940.stclair@niue.nu> To: stclair@niue.nu, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-id: <200305161411.08089.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Organization: Siemens Medical Systems MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200305160829.14589.stclair@niue.nu> <200305161242.43695.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> <200305160847.47940.stclair@niue.nu> Subject: Re: Sound Card X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:11:40 -0000 On Friday 16 May 2003 12:47 pm, Richard StClair wrote: > I'm sure it's fantastic.....mine has been on it's way for some period > of weeks now. We get one boat per month to Niue with mail on it, and > if something misses that boat then it takes another month to get > here. So I'm still waiting for my copy....and in the meantime I was > hoping to get this machine running a little better. As many other people have noted, there is a copy of the Handbook online. But even better, there's a copy already on your system! If you didn't uncheck it during installation, you can find a copy on your local system at /usr/share/doc/handbook/index.html. If you don't have a browser set up yet, the plain text Handbook is at /usr/share/doc/handbook/boot.txt. One of the best things I like about FreeBSD is that it has so much quality documentation immediately available. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 19:10:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9C137B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 19:10:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C95D343F85 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4H2ACUp020405 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4H2ACru020404 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 19:10:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200305170210.h4H2ACru020404@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 02:10:13 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ Mailing list membership To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Use the easy form at http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies to subscribe to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list, or to change your subscription details if you are already a member. To Unsubscribe from FreeBSD-Newbies: To stop receiving list emails, simply follow the unsubscribe link that appears at the bottom of each email you receive from the mailing list. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 16 22:31:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2943C37B401 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 22:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biobio.terra.cl (biobio.terra.cl [200.28.216.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5655943F85 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 22:31:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tsasser@terra.cl) Received: from queule.ctcinternet.cl (200.28.216.10) by biobio.terra.cl (6.5.026) id 3EA7F9970044F5E3 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 01:41:16 -0400 Received: from chester (200.89.63.195) by queule.ctcinternet.cl (6.5.033) (authenticated as tsasser@terra.cl) id 3EBB206100526E09 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 01:41:07 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: Tom To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:35:28 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <200305170135.28855.tsasser@terra.cl> Subject: learning on our own X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 05:31:54 -0000 hi all, i just read the FreeBSD Newbies FAK again. something came to mind about a= book=20 that i have been reading. there is a book called _Understanding Unix/Linux Programming: A Guide to= =20 Theory and Practice_. it was written by Bruce Molay. it covers unix sys= tem=20 programming from the beginning system programmer's perspective. generally, a book like this is not for newbies. it does require that you= have=20 some experience with the c programming language. so, why do i mention th= is? =20 this book is absolutely BEAUTIFUL for learning the Unix Way. it introduc= es=20 basic system programming concepts by showing the reader how to write comm= on=20 unix programs like ls. in my opinion, understanding the building blocks = of=20 unix is essential for understanding how to get unix to behave in a way th= at=20 you like. what i find so neat about the book is that it teaches you how to ask ques= tions=20 of unix...and get the answers. you literally learn how to research a pro= blem=20 with this book. it divides up the problems up as follows: 1) "what does= the=20 unix program do?" ( like ls ), 2) "how does the program ls do it?" and 3= )=20 "can i write ls?" this is great because he shows you how to investigate = the=20 problem and find the answer on the system--usually through reading the on= line=20 manuals and observing the behavior of the program. remember, computers are dumber than blades of grass! but, if programmed=20 properly, they will tell you what they want. so, if you are seeing an er= ror=20 on the screen, it's really telling you what it wanted ( but it may look l= ike=20 gibberish ). it's up to you to reseach the "gibberish" in order to solve= the=20 problem. that means you actually have to read the error ( sometimes even= =20 save it )...because there may be keywords in the error that you can use i= n=20 your search. needless to say, being able to investigate a problem and build your own a= nswer=20 is essential in unix...regardless of the problem...from web servers to=20 configuring a boot loader. as i go through the book and look at the=20 problems, i go through this procedure...and i learn more about what goes = on=20 behind the scenes. reading the online help ( man-pages ) is humbling, bu= t=20 you really start to get a feel for how unix works. i HIGHLY recommend that most newbies at least read the first several chap= ters. =20 you will become familiar with the paradigm. skip the code if you have to= ; =20 you can also just read the program comments. the goal is to understand h= ow=20 to research a problem, not necessarily code in c. molay puts lots of=20 comments in the code, so you won't get lost. i cannot stress this point enough: if you use the problem solving techni= ques=20 shown in this book, you can solve any problem that you come across on you= r=20 bsd system. good luck and happy hacking! --tom GAIM: cREbralFIX yahoo messenger: cREbralFIX www.linuxtechies.org ( yes, one of them! ) =20 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 03:20:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DECA37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 03:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (mta4-svc.business.ntl.com [62.253.164.44]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0968843F3F for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 03:20:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from simon.sdaej@virgin.net) Received: from aoc ([81.103.219.63]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030517102040.XTKF18420.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@aoc> for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 11:20:40 +0100 Message-ID: <005f01c31c5d$60330b00$639ffea9@aoc> From: "Simon Sharratt" To: Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:16:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: ps2 mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 10:20:43 -0000 Hi I am a newby trying to make sense of bsd 4.7 which I have just installed on my system.My problem is I can't get the mouse to work,its a ps2 and I've tried everything sugested ie use SysMouse or Mousesystems as sugested,I had this triuble with Debian but I thought Id left that behind.Any suggestions? I've looked at thebsd diary but haven't seen anything there, strangely I thought my problems would start when I tried to configure my Nvidia gforce440 but haven't got that far yet. Hopfully Simon From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 03:43:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC8C37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 03:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from maila.telia.com (maila.telia.com [194.22.194.231]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB4E43F93 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 03:43:47 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mats.svensson2@telia.com) Received: from d1o1073.telia.com (d1o1073.telia.com [212.181.129.241]) by maila.telia.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HAhlx7013783 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 12:43:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Original-Recipient: Received: from mats (h178n1fls22o1073.telia.com [212.181.128.178]) by d1o1073.telia.com (8.10.2p2/8.10.1) with SMTP id h4HAhkB20979 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 12:43:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001001c31c61$37e0f140$b700a8c0@mats> From: "mats" To: Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:43:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: ps2 mouse X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 10:43:49 -0000 Hi Simon Not sure (because I can't check right now, I have the same system as = you, and have had the same problems), but try this in = /etc/X11/XF86Config Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" option "Protocoll" "MouseSystems" option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" If that doesn't work, try to XFree86 -configure, your system might hang = but you will get a file called XF86Config.new and in that file you will = find how to config the mouse. Your graphiccard will work perfect (my did), just download the freebsd = driver from nvidia and read the readme=B4s. Good luck. /Mats From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 04:24:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D955C37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 04:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 233A943FA3 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 04:24:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Received: from granite.sentex.ca (ns.sentex.ca [199.212.134.1]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4HBORwQ029820 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 07:24:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Received: from 64.7.157.247 (p246xji.dsl2.sentex.ca [64.7.157.247]) by granite.sentex.ca (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h4HBOROc045851 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 07:24:27 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from failte@sentex.net) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 07:24:52 -0400 From: Trish X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62i) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10288343621.20030517072452@sentex.net> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: To freeBSD or not freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Trish List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:24:30 -0000 Hello freebsd-newbies, I'm wondering why you picked freeBSD over other distros. I'm getting ready to build my first Linux box and I admit, I have not fully researched all the options yet, but am looking at freeBSD on the recommendation of, well, my son. I take him seriously as he is already running linux (though not freeBSD as yet - that's his and my upcoming project), he and his friends are no slouches at this stuff, typical techie teenagers, and have the time to do such things. I have less. However, I'm interested in what the actual user community has to say. I get the impression there is significant support available, apps and drivers are available and configurable and it's not a nightmare to run. But that's just an impression and I haven't compared it enough with anything else. So if anyone cares to venture a point of view, I'd be interested to hear it. Thanks! :) -- Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 05:35:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 878DD37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 05:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web10503.mail.yahoo.com (web10503.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.153]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3045E43F75 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 05:35:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from frebhed@yahoo.com.au) Message-ID: <20030517123511.91575.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.76.136.20] by web10503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:35:11 EST Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 22:35:11 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Frederick=20Johnson?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <10288343621.20030517072452@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: To freeBSD or not freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 12:35:11 -0000 --- Trish wrote: > Hello freebsd-newbies, > > I'm wondering why you picked freeBSD over other distros. I'm > getting ready to build my first Linux box and I admit, I have not fully > researched all the options yet, but am looking at freeBSD on the > recommendation of, well, my son. I take him seriously as he is > already running linux (though not freeBSD as yet - that's his and > my upcoming project), he and his friends are no slouches at this stuff, > typical techie teenagers, and have the time to > do such things. I have less. However, I'm interested in what the > actual user community has to say. > > I get the impression there is significant support available, apps and > drivers are available and configurable > and it's not a nightmare to run. But that's just an impression and > I haven't compared it enough with anything else. > > So if anyone cares to venture a point of view, I'd be interested to > hear it. Thanks! :) > > -- > Trish These topics are killers! I can feel my inbox getting full already... I have tried Mandrake, Debian and Slackware... neither of them stayed on for longer than 2 months (for various reasons)... One thing I particularly didnt like about Linux is whenever I went to configure/mess around with something (which I did/do a lot) I always got these descriptions saying (blah blah) 'this is a mix of BSD and systemV, we put some things here and other things here, oh, and this is something that we designed ourselves over here etc'. I have found FreeBSD to be very organised and easy to understand, which really suprised me... I thought being some hardcore UNIX distro meant that only people with an equally hardcore understanding of UNIX would be able to use it! :) There are many other things which I dont like about Linux and love about FreeBSD... I could go on forever about the subject... I know people say FreeBSD is the fastest, stablest, most functional OS out there... from what I have experienced so far I am begining to believe them. :) ...is there an advocacy mailing list? :) Fred ===== worry is a missuse of imagination http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 07:28:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F77F37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 07:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.bgeek.com (h-66-166-37-76.CHCGILGM.covad.net [66.166.37.76]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1177143FA3 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 07:28:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from steve@bgeek.com) Received: (qmail 82304 invoked by uid 1006); 17 May 2003 14:21:29 -0000 Received: from steve@bgeek.com by mx.bgeek.com by uid 89 with qmail-scanner-1.16 ( Clear:. Processed in 0.098614 secs); 17 May 2003 14:21:29 -0000 X-Qmail-Scanner-Mail-From: steve@bgeek.com via mx.bgeek.com X-Qmail-Scanner: 1.16 (Clear:. Processed in 0.098614 secs) Received: from unknown (HELO schofiesnt03) (steve@bgeek.com@66.166.37.78) by 0 with SMTP; 17 May 2003 14:21:29 -0000 Message-ID: <012901c31c79$a6079080$0600a8c0@mcsebound.com> From: "Steve Schofield" To: Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 09:38:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Fw: To freeBSD or not freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 14:28:47 -0000 > Hi Trish, > > I'm a full-time windows admin and have installed sorry to say 100's and > 100's of windows machines. The installs are pretty much run setup.exe, > next, agree to license, agree to EULA, finish. I had little or no > background in *nix area. i had installed red hat and mandrake a few times. > It was similiar to windows and once it completed I feel i didn't learn too > much. > > FreeBSD install is a terse to a newbie but my one goal using freebsd was to > actually learn something about unix. looking back, everything is documented > you just have to read things like the http://freebsd.org/handbook and other > sources. One other thing the hype with FreeBSD isn't as much with linux. > While trying red hat i constantly got updates and patches for security > items. After a bit of research, there were a lot less security notices with > BSD. for a hobby OS i didn't want to worry about it. As far as the hype > goes, i didn't want to be classified a "me too" learning linux. That was a > bit of the reason also choosing BSD over at linux at first, looking back > i'm glad i chose it. I sincerely like BSD, it just works and unless i want > to tinker isn't technology just supposed to work. I get my fill of being > on the "bleeding edge" with my windows job. Freebsd is very mature, its > definitely going to be around. > > > * ----------------------------------------- * > * Steve Schofield > * steve@aspfree.com > * > * Microsoft MVP - ASP.NET > * http://www.aspfree.com > * ----------------------------------------- * > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Trish" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 7:24 AM > Subject: To freeBSD or not freeBSD > > > > Hello freebsd-newbies, > > > > I'm wondering why you picked freeBSD over other distros. I'm > > getting ready to build my first Linux box and I admit, I have not fully > > researched all the options yet, but am looking at freeBSD on the > > recommendation of, well, my son. I take him seriously as he is > > already running linux (though not freeBSD as yet - that's his and > > my upcoming project), he and his friends are no slouches at this stuff, > typical techie teenagers, and have the time to > > do such things. I have less. However, I'm interested in what the > > actual user community has to say. > > > > I get the impression there is significant support available, apps and > drivers are available and configurable > > and it's not a nightmare to run. But that's just an impression and > > I haven't compared it enough with anything else. > > > > So if anyone cares to venture a point of view, I'd be interested to > > hear it. Thanks! :) > > > > -- > > Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 09:06:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8712537B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.squirrel-solutions.com (mail.squirrel-solutions.com [206.224.92.118]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF7643F85 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:06:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bill@squirrel-solutions.com) Received: from misspiggy (doman114.thegateway.net [206.224.92.114]) h4HG7NcC013478; Sat, 17 May 2003 11:07:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from bill@squirrel-solutions.com) From: "Bill Doman" To: "Trish" , Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:09:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <10288343621.20030517072452@sentex.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: To freeBSD or not freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:06:36 -0000 Hi Trish, I was looking to replace a Windows-based mail server in our office a couple years ago and considering using Sendmail on Linux. I'd installed a couple different Linux distros (Debian and Mandrake) and hadn't found much use to them, frankly, and ultimately not pursued the OS. A fella at my ISP recommended looking into FreeBSD (it's what they and many, many other ISPs use). After looking at the pros and cons and buying FreeBSD Unleashed and installing a copy from the included CD, I was hooked. I like the fact that, as opposed to Linux, there's just 1 version and the software going into it is controlled more tightly. This gives me assurance of stability and relative security, compared to Linux, where there are umpteen different flavors with some aiming to be cutting edge and others being conservative and unless you buy support a generic "Linux" question on a newsgroup may get you an answer that's right for the distro the respondent is using, but not right for your flavor. I've been very pleased with the performance, the ease of upgrading (generally) and the stability of the system. I've since registered a domain and set up my own mail server at home (partly out of frustration with the problems the ISP I use here seems to have with their servers, and partly to have another box that's less critical that I can just play with) and installed, deinstalled, upgraded and just fooled around with a couple other boxes. If we didn't have so much proprietary stuff that requires Windows servers, and if there were the depth of knowledge available for Netware, I'd take our whole network to FreeBSD. Oh, yeah, and with the latest version of KDE, it's a very respectable desktop system for anyone not needing to run MS software. Bill > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Trish > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 6:25 AM > To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org > Subject: To freeBSD or not freeBSD > > > Hello freebsd-newbies, > > I'm wondering why you picked freeBSD over other distros. I'm > getting ready to build my first Linux box and I admit, I have not fully > researched all the options yet, but am looking at freeBSD on the > recommendation of, well, my son. I take him seriously as he is > already running linux (though not freeBSD as yet - that's his and > my upcoming project), he and his friends are no slouches at > this stuff, typical techie teenagers, and have the time to > do such things. I have less. However, I'm interested in what the > actual user community has to say. > > I get the impression there is significant support available, > apps and drivers are available and configurable > and it's not a nightmare to run. But that's just an impression and > I haven't compared it enough with anything else. > > So if anyone cares to venture a point of view, I'd be interested to > hear it. Thanks! :) > > -- > Trish mailto:failte@sentex.net > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 09:47:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A45E37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.90]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9F743F85 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:47:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk) Received: from caomhin.demon.co.uk ([62.49.21.186]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19H4qO-0009Yl-0W; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:47:36 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:30:15 +0100 To: Trish From: Kevin Golding References: <10288343621.20030517072452@sentex.net> In-Reply-To: <10288343621.20030517072452@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 5.01 U cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To freeBSD or not freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 16:47:38 -0000 In article <10288343621.20030517072452@sentex.net>, Trish writes > I get the impression there is significant support available, apps and drivers >are available and configurable > and it's not a nightmare to run. But that's just an impression and > I haven't compared it enough with anything else. I think FreeBSD's support is absolutely top notch. Firstly it has a mostly friendly and knowledgeable support group in the users and developers. Secondly the resources are a lot easier to find. Because so much FreeBSD information is contained in simple to find places such as the handbook, freebsddiary.org or the mailing lists and their archives I find the answer usually comes much sooner and more easily than most of my hunts for information about other OSes. Like most people here I find the BSD way to be one of the more intuitive systems so I certainly don't feel it's a nightmare to run, and that's just the basics too. Once you throw in goodies like the ports system life is positively blissful, in my opinion at least. It's probably not without fault though, I just tend to find I don't notice them because so much simply works so well. Kevin -- kevin@caomhin.demon.co.uk From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 10:01:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 985FC37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:01:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40403.mail.yahoo.com (web40403.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D60143F93 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:01:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from catlord17@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030517170154.97917.qmail@web40403.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [67.75.82.206] by web40403.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:01:54 PDT Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 10:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: RexFelis To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <10288343621.20030517072452@sentex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: To freeBSD or not freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:01:55 -0000 Personally, I have started using FreeBSD for more than a few reasons. 1. License. I don't have to worry about paying for it at a time in my life when money is tight; I don't have to worry about stockholders deciding how I run my computer. 2. Stability. Unbeatable. It just works, and never flinches. Check out netcraft.com's top 50 uptimes. No linux anywhere. Linux is very good at this; FreeBSD is great. I have not had much trouble with Linux, but I have had more than with FreeBSD, under the same circumstances. 3. Unity. FreeBSD is FreeBSD, no distros to worry about. No distro wars, either. 4. Community. In my experience, the FreeBSD community has been great. They're willing to encourage and assist more than any other OS community I have seen. These Mmailing lists are set up for that sort of thing. 5. The 'make world' command, et al. I can update the source code and rebuild the entire operating system from scratch, including kernel, in a few commands. Configuring and building a custom kernel is exceedingly easy too. 6. Ports. Instead of days spent looking for dependencies and resolving compatibility with installed stuff, I type cd /usr/ports/audio/audacity && make install clean Then I surf the web and chat while I wait for everything to be downloaded, verified, unpacked, patched, compiled, installed, and cleaned up after. 7. Because FreeBSD, in my experience, stands up to tinkering better than Linux. 8. Because FreeBSD is more mature code, and the goal isn't frantic bleeding edge development. At the same time, everything is actually kept up to date. You get the best of both worlds. Don't get me wrong; Linux is a great operating system. It just does not suit my needs anymore. My mother and girlfriend run Linux, and it'll be fine for them for the rest of their days. They don't want to tinker or get under the hood and build experimental kernels and such. It's just much easier for me to use FreeBSD. Hope this helps. :) RexFelis --- Trish wrote: > Hello freebsd-newbies, > > I'm wondering why you picked freeBSD over > other distros. I'm > getting ready to build my first Linux box and > I admit, I have not fully > researched all the options yet, but am > looking at freeBSD on the > recommendation of, well, my son. I take him > seriously as he is > already running linux (though not freeBSD as > yet - that's his and > my upcoming project), he and his friends are > no slouches at this stuff, typical techie > teenagers, and have the time to > do such things. I have less. However, I'm > interested in what the > actual user community has to say. > > I get the impression there is significant > support available, apps and drivers are > available and configurable > and it's not a nightmare to run. But that's > just an impression and > I haven't compared it enough with anything > else. > > So if anyone cares to venture a point of > view, I'd be interested to > hear it. Thanks! :) > > -- > Trish > mailto:failte@sentex.net > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 10:09:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB0637B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-2.hut.fi (smtp-2.hut.fi [130.233.228.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A51B43FBD for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:09:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jhuvinen@lyta.hut.fi) Received: from lyta.hut.fi (lyta.hut.fi [130.233.228.21]) by smtp-2.hut.fi (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HH9rY4027774 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:09:53 +0300 Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:09:53 +0300 (EET DST) From: Jukka Huvinen To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.3(snapshot 20030212) (smtp-2.hut.fi) X-DCC-HUTCC-Metrics: smtp-2.hut.fi 1165; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 Subject: Mouse freezes X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:09:56 -0000 My mouse freezes randomly under X !! Release 4.8, gdm + gnome. (Clean 4.8 install) The mouse freezes only when typing text and after random periof of time. Sometimes only in seconds (when typing text). /var/log/messages: (after crashing) May 17 18:53:56 limo /kernel: psmintr: delay too long; resetting byte count May 17 18:55:17 limo /kernel: psmintr: delay too long; resetting byte count /etc/rc.conf: moused_flags="" moused_port="/dev/psm0" moused_type="auto" moused_enable="YES" /etc/X11/XF86Config: Section "InputDevice" Identifier "Mouse0" Driver "mouse" Option "Protocol" "auto" Option "Device" "/dev/sysmouse" EndSection After it has frozen, kill -HUP to the moused restores it working again, but causes some random movements and clicks. /var/log/messages says: May 17 19:04:53 limo /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0000 != 0008). May 17 19:04:53 limo /kernel: psmintr: discard a byte (1). ... May 17 19:04:55 limo /kernel: psmintr: discard a byte (19). May 17 19:04:55 limo /kernel: psmintr: out of sync (0000 != 0008). May 17 19:04:55 limo /kernel: psmintr: reset the mouse. Any ideas what might wrong? Found some out of sync reports from www & FAQ, but they didn't help. -- Jukka From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 10:52:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA7A37B401 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thalia.otenet.gr (thalia.otenet.gr [195.170.0.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C27E43FA3 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:52:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a202.otenet.gr [212.205.215.202]) by thalia.otenet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HHqPoA012196; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:52:26 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HHqOfj063094; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:52:25 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4HHqOTV063093; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:52:24 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:52:24 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Jukka Huvinen Message-ID: <20030517175224.GA63025@gothmog.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mouse freezes X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:52:34 -0000 On 2003-05-17 20:09, Jukka Huvinen wrote: > > My mouse freezes randomly under X !! > Release 4.8, gdm + gnome. (Clean 4.8 install) > > The mouse freezes only when typing text and after random periof of time. > Sometimes only in seconds (when typing text). > > /var/log/messages: (after crashing) > May 17 18:53:56 limo /kernel: psmintr: delay too long; resetting byte count > May 17 18:55:17 limo /kernel: psmintr: delay too long; resetting byte count This is answered in the FAQ already. Read the reply to the question: Why does my PS/2 mouse misbehave under X? Just point your browser at: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/x.html#PS2-X If that doesn't help you could always post a question to the freebsd-questions@freebsd.org list :-) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat May 17 10:56:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BE637B404 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thalia.otenet.gr (thalia.otenet.gr [195.170.0.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C6543F3F for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:56:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from gothmog.gr (patr530-a202.otenet.gr [212.205.215.202]) by thalia.otenet.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HHuZoA020968; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:56:36 +0300 (EEST) Received: from gothmog.gr (gothmog [127.0.0.1]) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HHuZfj063192; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:56:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from giorgos@localhost) by gothmog.gr (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h4HHuTQw063191; Sat, 17 May 2003 20:56:29 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 20:56:29 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Frederick Johnson Message-ID: <20030517175629.GB63025@gothmog.gr> References: <10288343621.20030517072452@sentex.net> <20030517123511.91575.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030517123511.91575.qmail@web10503.mail.yahoo.com> cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: To freeBSD or not freeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:56:41 -0000 On 2003-05-17 22:35, Frederick Johnson wrote: > I know people say FreeBSD is the fastest, stablest, most functional OS > out there... from what I have experienced so far I am begining to > believe them. :) ...is there an advocacy mailing list? :) Sure. freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org :) You're always welcome to join and lurk around or even help a bit: http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy - Giorgos