From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 00:10:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE6D37B401; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.88.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C3CE44020; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A6DE1AE49C; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030713071001.A6DE1AE49C@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-06-22 - 2003-07-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:10:04 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jul 13 00:18:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1800437B401; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mooseriver.com (adsl-68-73-90-170.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net [68.73.90.170]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894F743F75; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:18:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jgrosch@mooseriver.com) Received: by mooseriver.com (Postfix, from userid 200) id E32AA1D9; Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:18:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 02:18:04 -0500 From: Josef Grosch To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20030713071804.GA42990@mooseriver.com> References: <20030713071001.A6DE1AE49C@nezlok.unixathome.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030713071001.A6DE1AE49C@nezlok.unixathome.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-06-22 - 2003-07-12 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jgrosch@MooseRiver.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:18:06 -0000 On Sun, Jul 13, 2003 at 12:10:01AM -0700, Dan Langille wrote: > The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical > examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly > to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people > know what's available on the website. Before you post a question > here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list > archives > and/or The FreeBSD Diary . Yes, this is wonderful but... "The connection was refused when attempting to contact www.freebsddiary.org" Did we forget something? Josef -- Josef Grosch | Another day closer to a | FreeBSD 5.1 jgrosch@MooseRiver.com | Micro$oft free world | www.bafug.org From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jul 14 07:16:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADB537B401 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from motgate5.mot.com (motgate5.mot.com [144.189.100.105]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A9043FCB for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:16:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: from az33exr02.mot.com (az33exr02.mot.com [10.64.251.232]) by motgate5.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate5) with ESMTP id h6EEGtUY025770 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 07:16:55 -0700 (MST) Received: from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by az33exr02.mot.com (Motorola/az33exr02) with ESMTP id h6EEGsRX016070 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:16:55 -0500 Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) id ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:16:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:16:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) Content-Type: text/plain cc: 'Grzegorz Czaplinski' Subject: RE: php4 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:16:57 -0000 There are a couple of things you need to do to the httpd.conf file In the section containing LoadModules, add the line LoadModule php4_module modules/libphp4.so Now go to the section which starts # # AddType allows you to add or to override the MIME configuration # file mime.types for specific file types. # Add the following lines AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .html AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps This should get it working for you. I am just learning this too and I am using the SAMs teach your self PHP,MySQL, and Apache. It works for me. I hope this helps. It still might be better to ask these questions on -questions. Charles -----Original Message----- From: Grzegorz Czaplinski [mailto:G.Czaplinski@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:50 AM To: Bangle Bot Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: php4 On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 08:56:50AM -0700, Bangle Bot wrote: > Hi, > > I installed php4 from the ports collection. Everything worked great, > but when I looked at a php page in my browser only the source came out > and didn't start the php program. Is it a problem if i didn't compile > php3? Of course I restarted apache after the install... Please help. > > Here is my httpd.conf file: [...] Hi! You should have installed mod_php4 from /usr/ports/www/mod_php4/ . gregory -- Grzegorz Czaplinski "The Power to Serve, Right for the Power Users!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ Fingerprint: EB77 E19D CFA2 5736 810F 847C A70F A275 2489 469F From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 15 22:41:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320D937B401 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from isdesigndev.com (isdesigndev.com [64.28.101.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A6043FA3 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:41:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jvilla@isdesigndev.com) Received: from tertullian (12-206-51-252.client.attbi.com [12.206.51.252]) (authenticated) by isdesigndev.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6G5faS07505 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 05:41:37 GMT From: Jonathan Villa To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1058334114.1084.11.camel@in-hov-vince> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Date: 16 Jul 2003 00:41:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Linuxthreads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jvilla@isdesigndev.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 05:41:39 -0000 Ok, I am trying to install MySQL on FreeBSD 5.0 and received some errors about missing files... /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc_r.so.4" not found /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libstdc++.so.3" not found =================================== so I posted to the MySQL mailing list and received this response... install linuxthreads from ports and use this option: --with-named-thread-libs='-DHAVE_GLIBC2_STYLE_GETHOSTBYNAME_R -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/pthread/linuxthreads -L/usr/local/lib -llthread -llgcc_r' You can take a look in the ports Makefile for more details. =================================== So, I am posting that here because I think it's more a FreeBSD related question... Any ideas anyone? From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 15 23:11:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96DF337B401 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl [194.29.178.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61D443F93 for ; Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:11:43 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from G.Czaplinski@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost.mini.pw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B63243C8; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:11:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: by prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 1368) id 67FA0243C7; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:11:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 08:11:37 +0200 From: Grzegorz Czaplinski To: Jonathan Villa Message-ID: <20030716061137.GR19812@prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl> References: <1058334114.1084.11.camel@in-hov-vince> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JGRpDW+vuEVQ9uQb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1058334114.1084.11.camel@in-hov-vince> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/pgp.txt X-3w: http://prioris.mini.pw.edu.pl/~gregory/ X-voice: +48 692 412 424 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS (prioris) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linuxthreads? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:11:44 -0000 --JGRpDW+vuEVQ9uQb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 12:41:54AM -0500, Jonathan Villa wrote: > Ok, I am trying to install MySQL on FreeBSD 5.0 and received some errors > about missing files... >=20 > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libc_r.so.4" not found > /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libstdc++.so.3" not found >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > so I posted to the MySQL mailing list and received this response... >=20 > install linuxthreads from ports and use this option: > --with-named-thread-libs=3D'-DHAVE_GLIBC2_STYLE_GETHOSTBYNAME_R=20 > -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/pthread/linuxthreads=20 > -L/usr/local/lib -llthread -llgcc_r' >=20 > You can take a look in the ports Makefile for more details. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > So, I am posting that here because I think it's more a FreeBSD related > question... Any ideas anyone? >=20 Hi! Go to /usr/ports/devel/linuxthreads; as root type: # make --with-named-thread-libs=3D'-DHAVE_GLIBC2_STYLE_GETHOSTBYNAME_R \ -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/pthread/linuxthreads \ -L/usr/local/lib -llthread -llgcc_r' Then install it and install MySQL. It should have gone to questions mailing list. gregory -- Grzegorz Czaplinski "The Power to Serve, Right for the Power Users!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ Fingerprint: EB77 E19D CFA2 5736 810F 847C A70F A275 2489 469F --JGRpDW+vuEVQ9uQb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/FOyYpw+idSSJRp8RAuLkAJ94468TMuBg8QFD2t8Mb5Wabhtd5gCgvTGJ cAfr/SkEGB8lu9/IJIaEigw= =GCYf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JGRpDW+vuEVQ9uQb-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 16 11:48:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B6237B401 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9928443F93 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:48:39 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nico.meijer@zonnet.nl) Received: from debian by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net id h6GImbfe020937 (8.12.9/2.04); Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:48:38 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:48:37 +0200 From: Nico Meijer To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030716204837.2a58560c.nico.meijer@zonnet.nl> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Recommended reading: FreeBSD for production server use X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:48:40 -0000 Hi all, Since my "Absolute OpenBSD" book has yet to arrive, I've set myself to getting to know FreeBSD. Liking 4.8 so far, btw. :-) After reading large parts of the Handbook and subscribing to among others -newbies, -questions and -isp (and searching the archives), installation was a complete breeze and the initial setup mainly trivial (I'm getting to the 'hard' parts ;-). Initially getting and updating the src and ports tree, rebuilding kernel and world have yet to fail on me, so all is well. :-) Now comes the harder part. Most resources talk about setting stuff up, as they should. The question that creeps in my mind immediately is how to actually maintain a FreeBSD machine: how to keep it running "stable" (not -STABLE per se) and up-to-date. My main purpose would be running servers (as in: web, mail, database, ftp, shell, samba, you name it). I'm currently on the prowl for documentation regarding this matter. Be it online references, off and on line books, magazines: I'm game. I've heard great things about Mr. Lucas' "Absolute BSD", but then again there are "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "The Complete FreeBSD", which are both regarded highly aswell. daemonnews.org, freebsddiary.org and such are bookmarked. I'll keep my questions on this matter for -questions, as I've seen advised here; there are many, of course. :-) Thank you all... Nico From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 16 12:03:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B32337B401 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from motgate.mot.com (motgate.mot.com [129.188.136.100]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A98A43F3F for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:03:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Charles.S.Libby@motorola.com) Received: from az33exr03.mot.com (pobox3.mot.com [10.64.251.242]) by motgate.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate) with ESMTP id h6GJ3VWB004272 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:03:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from il33exm02.wes.mot.com (il33exm02.wes.mot.com [154.56.3.102]) by az33exr03.mot.com (Motorola/az33exr03) with ESMTP id h6GJ3Tgr006855 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:03:29 -0500 Received: by il33exm02.wes.mot.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) id ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:03:27 -0500 Message-ID: From: Libby Charles-CCL044 To: "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:03:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.2) Content-Type: text/plain cc: 'Nico Meijer' Subject: RE: Recommended reading: FreeBSD for production server use X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:03:33 -0000 Nico wrote ------ I'm currently on the prowl for documentation regarding this matter. Be it online references, off and on line books, magazines: I'm game. I've heard great things about Mr. Lucas' "Absolute BSD", but then again there are "FreeBSD Unleashed" and "The Complete FreeBSD", which are both regarded highly aswell. daemonnews.org, freebsddiary.org and such are bookmarked. I too am looking for a resource which would tell me what the day to day tasks are for administering a system. What logs do I need to look in, what files do I need to clean, etc... I find a lot of books on administration and all talk about tools to be used, but I would also like to know what kind of schedule, files, need to be looked at regularly. That is where administration rubber meets the road. Charles S. Libby Technical Trainer and Still a FreeBSD Newbee. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 16 13:32:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AAE337B401 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2FB443F85 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:32:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DavidJohnson@Siemens.com) Received: from mvaexch02 ([157.226.230.209]:1784 helo=mvaexch02.acuson.com) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19csB5-0003s1-5t; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:43:03 -0700 Received: by mvaexch02.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <36HSTLHS>; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:43:20 -0700 Received: from dhcp-46-117.acuson.com ([157.226.46.117]) by mvaexch01.acuson.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 36G39AA4; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:42:42 -0700 From: Johnson David To: Libby Charles-CCL044 , "'freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org'" Organization: Siemens Medical Systems Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:42:21 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307161242.21245.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19csB5-0003s1-5t*lPKJzSY8Ejg* X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Re: Recommended reading: FreeBSD for production server use X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:32:56 -0000 > I too am looking for a resource which would tell me what the day to > day tasks are for administering a system. What logs do I need to > look in, what files do I need to clean, etc... I find a lot of books > on administration and all talk about tools to be used, but I would > also like to know what kind of schedule, files, need to be looked at > regularly. That is where administration rubber meets the road. Try "Unix System Administration", from O'Reilly. It's a huge book but it's very readable and covers FreeBSD. But it's not a "cookbook", in that it won't give you recipes for success. You will need to apply the principles you've learned by yourself. After all, every system is different. David From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 16 14:17:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490F937B408 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:17:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A0343FB1 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:17:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from nico.meijer@zonnet.nl) Received: from debian by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net id h6GLHFfe000646 (8.12.9/2.04); Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:17:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:17:15 +0200 From: Nico Meijer To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030716231715.6ac82143.nico.meijer@zonnet.nl> In-Reply-To: <200307161242.21245.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> References: <200307161242.21245.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.0 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i686-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Recommended reading: FreeBSD for production server use X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:17:20 -0000 Hi David, > Try "Unix System Administration", from O'Reilly. It's a huge book but > it's very readable and covers FreeBSD. Thanks for the tip. I love huge books. It's what "vacation" is made for. > But it's not a "cookbook", in > that it won't give you recipes for success. You will need to apply the > > principles you've learned by yourself. After all, every system is > different. Indeed, but I'm sure there are documents/books on ways to keep a server running "current" / "stable" (I don't mean -CURRENT or -STABLE) that are (more) FreeBSD specific. Perhaps some real questions would clear things up. Let's say I run a production status FreeBSD 4.8 server. Do I track RELENG_4_8? Do I track -STABLE (RELENG_4, I believe)? (My bet is on RELENG_4_8) Let's say I use ports on that server. 'ports' has no cvs tag, as opposed to OpenBSD's ports system. Do I cvsup my ports tree regularly? If so, do I issue 'portupgrade -ar' every now and then? That, for instance, would upgrade my 'mod_php4' to version 4.3.3-RC1. Being "RC1", it is not intended for production use. OTOH, my Apache would now be a patchlevel 5, which would seem good to me, at first glance (didn't check what the changes were from p4). [For configuring and setting up Apache, I would read Apache docs and books. Maintaining Apache on FreeBSD is a somewhat different ballgame.] Let's say I run ipfw on that server? Will 'ipfw add check-state' and accompanying 'ipfw add allow tcp from [whatever] to me via [interface] port [number] setup keep-state' rules a) work (verified, it does) b) hold up under heavy network load? These are the types of questions I would like to see answered. Be it electronically or on paper. Ooh! My googling (they now officialy hate it when you say that ;-) turned up something: http://www.zenspider.com/Admin/Updates.html. Some more pointers. :-) I hope I clarified some. I'm generally not out for a FreeBSD reference per se (I currently don't care for running it on my workstation), I'm out for "(a) FreeBSD server reference(s)". Thanks a bunch... Nico P.S. I'm not looking for the answers here (even though they'd be appreciated), I'm looking for ways of finding the answers. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 16 14:40:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADAD37B502 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lug.kamloops.net (lug2.kamloops.net [209.52.173.193]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C80643FA3 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:40:10 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fcash@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by lug.kamloops.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 19cv0I-0007p9-00 for newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:44:06 -0700 From: Freddie Cash Organization: School District 73 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 14:32:30 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 To: newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307161432.30926.fcash@sd73.bc.ca> Subject: Fwd: Re: Recommended reading: FreeBSD for production server use X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: fcash@sd73.bc.ca List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:40:11 -0000 On July 16, 2003 02:17 pm, Nico Meijer wrote: > Perhaps some real questions would clear things up. > > Let's say I run a production status FreeBSD 4.8 server. Do I track > RELENG_4_8? Do I track -STABLE (RELENG_4, I believe)? (My bet is on > RELENG_4_8) Track RELENG_4_8, as that is 4.8-RELEASE plus any security and major bug fixes. It's the least moving target. If you need specific features or drivers or other support only found in -STABLE, then track RELENG_4. > Let's say I use ports on that server. 'ports' has no cvs tag, as > opposed to OpenBSD's ports system. Do I cvsup my ports tree > regularly? If so, do I issue 'portupgrade -ar' every now and then? > That, for instance, would upgrade my 'mod_php4' to version 4.3.3-RC1. > Being "RC1", it is not intended for production use. OTOH, my Apache > would now be a patchlevel 5, which would seem good to me, at first > glance (didn't check what the changes were from p4). Certainly update the prots tree every now and again (I update it once a week). Then run "portversion -v | grep needs" to see which ports have updates available. Then, manually research each change to see if you need to update or not. Only update the ports you need to update. Don't blindly run "portupgrade -arR" as that can bite you in the arse quite easily. :) > Let's say I run ipfw on that server? Will 'ipfw add check-state' and > accompanying 'ipfw add allow tcp from [whatever] to me via > [interface] port [number] setup keep-state' rules a) work (verified, > it does) b) hold up under heavy network load? It does. That's what it is designed to do, and several large sites use it without problems. ipfw+natd can be a little slow on super-heavy throuput sites, in which case you should invetigate using IPFilter+IPNat. The reason for this is that ipfw runs in the kernel, but natd runs in userspace, and you hit a lot of data passing back and forth and kernel context switches. ipfilter and ipnat both run in the kernel. As for where you can find over-arching documentation of this sort ... well, you can't really. :) There is an excellent documentation section to the FreeBSD website, with several different Handbooks and articles on various subjects. There are also several very nice books out, like Greg Lehey's "The Complete FreeBSD, 4th ed.", or Annelise Anderson's "FreeBSD: An Open-Source OS for your PC" (I think that's the title, I may have mangled it a bit), "FreeBSD Unleashed", "Absolute BSD", and others. Beyond that, it's scouring the archives of the various mailing lists, searching the web, checking website like http://bsdforums.org and the like. Or, writing one for everyone to use, based on your experiences and research. :) -- Freddie Cash District HelpDesk / Network Admin fcash@sd73.bc.ca helpdesk@sd73.bc.ca (250) 374-0679 ext. 219 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jul 16 19:35:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 235CB37B401 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A827643F75 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:35:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from r11roadster@yahoo.com) Received: from ip-24-197-140-177.spart.sc.charter.com (HELO Tarabon) (r11roadster@24.197.140.177 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2003 02:35:19 -0000 From: "Ronny Hippler" To: "freebsd newbies" Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:35:16 -0400 Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.20.2717) For Windows 2000 (5.1.2600;1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20030717023519.A827643F75@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: Re: Recommended reading: FreeBSD for production server use X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Ronny Hippler List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 02:35:20 -0000 On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:42:21 -0700, Johnson David wrote: >Try "Unix System Administration", from O'Reilly. It's a huge book but >it's very readable and covers FreeBSD. But it's not a "cookbook", in I am currently reading this book and I would have to agree it is very readable and the examples are clear. -- Hand-me-down clothing, also known as sharewear Ronny Hippler || Spartanburg SC http://www.vr5.dyndns.org:8008/ || ftp://ftp.vr5.dyndns.org:2112/ For PGP key email with "PGPKey" in the subject From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 04:39:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8869E37B401 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from efarma.ru (ns.efarma.ru [213.24.183.247]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4EB43FA3 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:39:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from virvit@efarma.ru) Received: from [192.168.1.115] (account virvit HELO virvit) by efarma.ru (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.0.6) with ESMTP id 450711 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:40:33 +0500 Message-ID: <001301c34c60$5b52f2c0$7301a8c0@pharmacon.ru> From: "VirVit" To: Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:38:42 +0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: VirVit List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:39:39 -0000 Hello! Can you advice me how to setup bind9 to service an alias for primary domain? I have domain domain.com and domain1.com. I need that domain1.com will be alias to domain.com, cause computer's, ip's are the same. -- Поцелуев Виталий Игоревич (VirVit) Программист ООО Фармакон From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 17 07:13:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B974637B401 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from micko.boca.verio.net (n00.bcrtfl01.us.wh.nameservers.net [208.55.254.110]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC25843FB1 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:13:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from micko@micko.boca.verio.net) Received: from micko.boca.verio.net (localhost.boca.verio.net [127.0.0.1]) by micko.boca.verio.net (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h6HEBN0f051417; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:11:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from micko@micko.boca.verio.net) Received: (from micko@localhost) by micko.boca.verio.net (8.12.9/8.12.8/Submit) id h6HEBICv051416; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:11:15 -0400 From: Dragan Mickovic To: VirVit Message-ID: <20030717141115.GA51318@verio.net> References: <001301c34c60$5b52f2c0$7301a8c0@pharmacon.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001301c34c60$5b52f2c0$7301a8c0@pharmacon.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD micko.boca.verio.net 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DNS X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:13:05 -0000 You can do this using CNAME. Checkout /usr/src/contrib/bind/doc/misc/FAQ.2of2 scroll down to Question 5.8. micko On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 04:38:42PM +0400, VirVit wrote: > Hello! Can you advice me how to setup bind9 to service an alias for primary > domain? I have domain domain.com and domain1.com. I need that domain1.com > will be alias to domain.com, cause computer's, ip's are the same. > > -- > ???????? ??????? ???????? (VirVit) > ??????????? ??? ???????? > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Dragan Mickovic UNIX Systems Administrator NTT/Verio x.4012 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 19:10:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24AE237B401 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9877243FAF for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:10:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6J2AGUp036852 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:10:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h6J2AGxX036851 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 19:10:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200307190210.h6J2AGxX036851@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 02:10:18 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. 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First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. 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Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. 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Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 18 22:20:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AD0D37B401 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B62243F93 for ; Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:20:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id C914F526C2; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:50:34 +0930 (CST) Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 14:50:34 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Johnson David Message-ID: <20030719052034.GN11810@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200307161242.21245.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="gWRamliw218YCZO9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200307161242.21245.DavidJohnson@Siemens.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Recommended reading: FreeBSD for production server use X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:20:39 -0000 --gWRamliw218YCZO9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 16 July 2003 at 12:42:21 -0700, Johnson David wrote: > >> I too am looking for a resource which would tell me what the day to >> day tasks are for administering a system. What logs do I need to >> look in, what files do I need to clean, etc... I find a lot of books >> on administration and all talk about tools to be used, but I would >> also like to know what kind of schedule, files, need to be looked at >> regularly. That is where administration rubber meets the road. > > Try "Unix System Administration", from O'Reilly. It's a huge book but > it's very readable and covers FreeBSD. But it's not a "cookbook", in > that it won't give you recipes for success. You will need to apply the > principles you've learned by yourself. After all, every system is > different. Most people I know have a better opinion of "UNIX System Administration Handbook" by Nemeth, Snyder, Seebass and Hein, published by Prentice Hall. It covers an older version of FreeBSD, but a lot of the material is still very relevant. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --gWRamliw218YCZO9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/GNUiIubykFB6QiMRAthnAJ9EJxduhWvAHb+FsDJ5MkmrGy7IYQCgizde qvjdoZOa/duM6sKDjcru71k= =UMLD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --gWRamliw218YCZO9--