From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 21 00:10:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC2916A4C0; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [64.251.88.60]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B82743FB1; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:10:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1E3AE512; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:10:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89354-05; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:10:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B8A59AE4DE; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20030921071001.B8A59AE4DE@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 00:10:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2003-08-31 - 2003-09-20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:10:09 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. 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Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . -- Dan Langille - DVL Software Limited The FreeBSD Diary - http://www.FreeBSDDiary.org/ - practical examples FreshPorts - http://www.FreshPorts.org/ - the place for ports FreshSource - http://www.FreshSource.org/ - the place for source From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 21 07:50:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB2E16A4B3 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:50:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.115]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A42443FF7 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 07:50:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net) Received: from 103.st-louis-108-109rs.mo.dial-access.att.net ([12.85.107.103]) by mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with SMTP id <2003092114500311100k2pase>; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:50:03 +0000 From: Jonathan To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 09:50:05 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309210950.05195.j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Is it true that Microsoft uses BSD's Stack? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 14:50:06 -0000 Hi: I came across this statement while looking for info on why desktop software can be so buggy: Excerpt: "How many non-technical people know that, at least as far as I know, one of the primary reasons Microsoft's NT and Win2k etc. actually works and remains stable on a LAN is that they used the BSD TCP/IP code. How pathetic it is that Microsoft, with all their billions, can't write clearly defined protocol stack software, uses open-source BSD's, and then spends millions trying to stymie open-source software! " From: http://anumail1.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2002-August/020463.html Is this true? That the Win 2000 and NT machines uses BSD code? -- Kind regards, Jonathan From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 21 08:14:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B70416A4B3 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:14:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oola.is.kpn.be (oola.is.kpn.be [193.74.71.23]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3187943FE9 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 08:14:30 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yannick.vanosselaer@pi.be) Received: from (u212-239-162-30.adsl.pi.be [212.239.162.30]) by oola.is.kpn.be with ESMTP id h8LFESO26578; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:14:28 +0200 Received: from linux.yannick.homelinux.org (linux.yannick.homelinux.org [192.168.1.10]) by pluto.yannick.homelinux.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05D6BE2438; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:14:26 +0200 (CEST) From: Yannick Van Osselaer To: j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 17:14:11 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200309210950.05195.j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> In-Reply-To: <200309210950.05195.j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: clearsigned data Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309211714.26791.yannick.vanosselaer@pi.be> Subject: Re: Is it true that Microsoft uses BSD's Stack? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 15:14:32 -0000 =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 21 September 2003 16:50, Jonathan wrote: > Hi: > > I came across this statement while looking for info on why desktop > software can be so buggy: > > Excerpt: > "How many non-technical people know that, at least as far as I know, one > of the primary reasons Microsoft's NT and Win2k etc. actually works and > remains stable on a LAN is that they used the BSD TCP/IP code. How > pathetic it is that Microsoft, with all their billions, can't write > clearly defined protocol stack software, uses open-source BSD's, and > then spends millions trying to stymie open-source software! " > > From: > http://anumail1.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2002-August/020463.html > > Is this true? That the Win 2000 and NT machines uses BSD code? Yes, it's true. At least for the TCP/IP network stack. =2D --=20 Yannick Van Osselaer Public Key: wwwkeys.us.pgp.net =2D----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2-rc1-SuSE (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/bcBI93+qyX+enAERApwuAKCtqSa+QiK20DLORzkRjnyzQ1+TJgCcCedT =46pqwedF//I2BphBo72ZVwwY=3D =3DE/dY =2D----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 21 16:03:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14C0E16A4B3 for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1664400B for ; Sun, 21 Sep 2003 16:03:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from blackwater.lemis.com (blackwater.lemis.com [192.109.197.80]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE3D2BC0C for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 09:03:36 +1000 (EST) Received: by blackwater.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 744FF518EC; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:33:34 +0930 (CST) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:33:34 +0930 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Yannick Van Osselaer Message-ID: <20030921230334.GJ37917@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <200309210950.05195.j.e.drews@worldnet.att.net> <200309211714.26791.yannick.vanosselaer@pi.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Ah9ph+G2cWRpKogL" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200309211714.26791.yannick.vanosselaer@pi.be> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Is it true that Microsoft uses BSD's Stack? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 23:03:40 -0000 --Ah9ph+G2cWRpKogL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 21 September 2003 at 17:14:11 +0200, Yannick Van Osselaer wrote: > On Sunday 21 September 2003 16:50, Jonathan wrote: >> Hi: >> >> I came across this statement while looking for info on why desktop >> software can be so buggy: >> >> Excerpt: >> "How many non-technical people know that, at least as far as I know, one >> of the primary reasons Microsoft's NT and Win2k etc. actually works and >> remains stable on a LAN is that they used the BSD TCP/IP code. How >> pathetic it is that Microsoft, with all their billions, can't write >> clearly defined protocol stack software, uses open-source BSD's, and >> then spends millions trying to stymie open-source software! " >> >> From: >> http://anumail1.anu.edu.au/pipermail/link/2002-August/020463.html >> >> Is this true? That the Win 2000 and NT machines uses BSD code? > > Yes, it's true. At least for the TCP/IP network stack. No, it's not true. For a while we thought it was, but we proved to be incorrect. Microsoft's network stack was written by a Scottish company called Spider. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers --Ah9ph+G2cWRpKogL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/bi5GIubykFB6QiMRAphWAKCKxEf9fKV0/+LFtlqBbJEmwjfrhgCfb/rt wBKfLpJtv3yittz9CAZjoTw= =17xc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Ah9ph+G2cWRpKogL-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 22 16:59:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5394716A4BF for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BAA2943FFB for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:59:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20030922235930.95365.qmail@web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:59:30 BST Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:59:30 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 23:59:33 -0000 Guys, Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD set? This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that contains all packages. I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better off having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather than have packages. For starters we get 5 window managers. We could easily do w/o KDE & GNOME and have JRE/JDK and OOo instead. I might just have to give up FreeBSD for the reason that downloading ports is turning out to be expensive. BTW, any one in SIngapore who can lend a copy of 4.8 FreeBSD set? TIA TK ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 22 17:32:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3323D16A4B3; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.volant.org (gate.volant.org [207.111.218.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D27343FD7; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:32:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from patl+freebsd@volant.org) Received: from 64-144-229-193.client.dsl.net ([64.144.229.193] helo=[192.168.0.13]) by smtp.volant.org with asmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.22) id 1A1b6c-000317-PU; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:32:39 -0700 Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:32:37 -0700 From: Pat Lashley To: Tadimeti Keshav , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: <3729783520.1064277157@mccaffrey.phoenix.volant.org> In-Reply-To: <20030922235930.95365.qmail@web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20030922235930.95365.qmail@web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0b6 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Scan-Signature: 251ac7e244313574134b773d0a556c0572a0fe48 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Score-Int: -5 X-Spam-Report: -0.5/5.0 This mail has matched the spam-filter tests listed below. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for details about the specific tests reported. In general, the higher the number of total points, the more likely that it actually is spam. (The 'required' number of points listed below is the arbitrary number above which the message is normally considered spam.) Content analysis details: (-0.50 points total, 5 required) REFERENCES (-0.5 points) Has a valid-looking References header IN_REP_TO (-0.5 points) Has a In-Reply-To header AWL (0.5 points) AWL: Auto-whitelist adjustment Subject: Re: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:32:43 -0000 --On Tuesday, September 23, 2003 00:59:30 +0100 Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD set? > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > contains all packages. The short answer is "No". Some of the ports have licencing restrictions that prevent that. Now if you're just talking about the ports that may legally be included on the CD set; it's a space tradeoff. Adding more would mean more than 4 CDs in the set, which would raise the cost of producing them. Which would in turn raise the price to end-users. On the whole, I'd rather keep the current setup and see about putting more into a DVD based release... > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better off > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather than > have packages. For starters we get 5 window managers. > We could easily do w/o KDE & GNOME and have JRE/JDK > and OOo instead. You might; but others would take the opposite position. I suspect that if a vote were taken KDE and GNOME would get more votes than Java and OOo. And having packages makes the system install -MUCH- faster. You really don't want to make new users wait while the entire GNOME suite is compiled. There are already complaints that the installation process takes too long. > I might just have to give up FreeBSD > for the reason that downloading ports is turning out > to be expensive. Sounds like a business opportunity. Make and sell CD sets with the 'missing' ports. Every couple of months, a new snapshot of the entire ports tree with all of the legally-CD-able distfiles; for people who don't have the (cheap) bandwidth to stay up to date with cvsup... -Pat From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 22 21:59:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3642F16A4B3; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-107-253.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.107.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4891443FE3; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:59:49 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC49E66D6A; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8F22FA86; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:59:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:59:48 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-ID: <20030923045948.GA50083@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030922235930.95365.qmail@web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030922235930.95365.qmail@web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:59:50 -0000 --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > Guys, > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD set? > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > contains all packages.=20 What are you really asking here? First you ask for ports (but the ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian includes packages on their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better off > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather than > have packages. Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both are shipped. Can you please clarify what you are asking? Kris --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/b9NEWry0BWjoQKURAtsiAKCTQUl2d1ZUkGwNE5pz+7PLj5HujwCfXkuW scYFgJkZImU4lKUxIi/Y0R0= =mazj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --BXVAT5kNtrzKuDFl-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 22 22:03:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 117E516A4B3 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from peace.tylico.com (peace.tylico.com [208.177.85.147]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1B643FCB for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:03:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrj@tylico.com) Received: from mrj (peace.tylico.com [208.177.85.147]) by peace.tylico.com (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h8N4qDVO000493 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 21:52:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from mrj@tylico.com) From: "Mike Jordan" To: Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 22:03:48 -0700 Message-ID: <001601c38190$12ae1c60$6e01a8c0@mrj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: Security updates without source X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike@mike-jordan.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 05:03:57 -0000 I'm running "FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE #0" and would like to incorporate the latest security fixes. Can I do this without installing source and rebuilding the affected pieces or is that my only choice? The reason is that I'm just looking for a secure, reliable production system, not a part-time development job. In the past I've downloaded and built my own copies of the more vulnerable pieces and I don't have time for that any longer. --------------------------------- Mike Jordan mike@mike-jordan.org From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 01:13:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FF0616A4BF for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:13:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-da-5.dns-solutions.net (mail-da-5.dns-solutions.net [69.12.118.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EC77943FFD for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 01:13:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from michael@vcommunities.net) Received: (qmail 6146 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2003 08:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tabby) (mvondung@vcommunities.net@62.226.55.61) by mail-da-5.dns-solutions.net - 62.226.55.61 with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 08:13:41 -0000 From: "Michael Vondung" To: "'Pat Lashley'" , , Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:12:55 +0200 Message-ID: <00ab01c381aa$846809a0$0200a8c0@tabby> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <3729783520.1064277157@mccaffrey.phoenix.volant.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: RE: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:13:10 -0000 > Sounds like a business opportunity. Make and sell > CD sets with the 'missing' ports. Every couple of > months, a new snapshot of the entire ports tree with > all of the legally-CD-able distfiles; for people who > don't have the (cheap) bandwidth to stay up to date > with cvsup... I believe that is what Tadimeti originally meant. If you get the seven Debian CDs, you can install and use a wide variety of different = software, even if you have no or a slow/expensive connection to the 'net. With = FreeBSD you get some packages, but if you want or need more than the minimum software, you depend on an online connection. If the same person also = has a slow machine, then FreeBSD is not really suited for them. This has actually been one of my problems. I'm stuck in an area where = the fastest connection speed is ISDN, and I pay for that by the minute (an average of fifty cents an hour, for one channel). Setting up a = workstation with a decent selection of software, was more costly for me than if I = had done the same with Debian. To me, this was a perfectly acceptable investment, but I can see why it would turn people off who haven't yet decided to go with FreeBSD and instead "shop for an OS" (it makes little difference if you purchase two or seven CDs if you get them for one or = two dollars a piece). M. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 02:21:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4107C16A4B3; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (ns0.infracaninophile.co.uk [81.2.69.218]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7405744001; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 02:21:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) h8N9KcJK046724 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:21:00 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: (from matthew@localhost)h8N9KcGK046723; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:20:38 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 10:20:38 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-ID: <20030923092038.GA46475@happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Matthew Seaman , Tadimeti Keshav , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <20030922235930.95365.qmail@web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030922235930.95365.qmail@web86001.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-11.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,EMAIL_ATTRIBUTION,IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2, REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:21:07 -0000 --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > Guys, > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD set? > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > contains all packages.=20 http://www.freebsdservices.com/ It's on DVD, because there are far too many packages to be able to fit on a reasonable number of CDs. Unfortunately, I don't think Paul has any plans to produce any further versions for new releases due to not achieving sufficient sales. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 26 The Paddocks Savill Way PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Marlow Tel: +44 1628 476614 Bucks., SL7 1TH UK --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/cBBmdtESqEQa7a0RAhFTAKCH4NmMvz/PtsPjLDl8M64rilqdWQCgh3Fb OxaHvwemRHk40u/XUwrqMxQ= =vSiT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 09:05:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01CA16A4BF for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 443D444011 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20030923160459.79041.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:04:59 BST Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:04:59 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20030923045948.GA50083@rot13.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:05:02 -0000 --- Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti > Keshav wrote: > > Guys, > > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD > set? > > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > > contains all packages. > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > ports (but the > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > includes packages on > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and fetch the source files that you can compile. What I was asking for is the facility to have all the sources of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to the internet to build your machine). > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > off > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > than > > have packages. > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > are shipped. > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > > Kris Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. FreeBSD only bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port while vim is a package. Would it not be better to cut down on several packages of large size and ship the CD with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. Hope U get the point. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 23 09:25:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7561C16A4BF; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-107-253.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.107.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAA143FE0; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CB166CFA; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C34207CA; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:02 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-ID: <20030923162502.GA52398@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030923045948.GA50083@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030923160459.79041.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030923160459.79041.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 16:25:13 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > > ports (but the > > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > > includes packages on > > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > >=20 > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing > but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and > fetch the source files that you can compile. What I > was asking for is the facility to have all the sources > of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to > the internet to build your machine). The full set of distfiles takes up 15GB, i.e. about 21 CDs. Is that really practical? ;-) See however the FreeBSD PowerPak sold by FreeBSDMall.com. > > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > > off > > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > > than > > > have packages. > >=20 > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > > are shipped. > >=20 > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > >=20 > > Kris > Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. I doubt it. > FreeBSD only > bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port > while vim is a package. JDK may not be packaged due to the restrictive license on the software. The same is true for most of the other ports that are not packaged (other reasons include that the port is broken or forbidden because it contains a security vulnerability). Also, a full package set is about 5GB (for i386), which would take about 7 CDs. Again, not really practical. > Would it not be better to cut > down on several packages of large size and ship the CD > with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. No, because we would be sued by Sun. Kris --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/cHPeWry0BWjoQKURAjOkAJ9RTjSBGdHvWA4y8luM3QH+PAkUGQCdEYe9 TurfV4TK4IIwxV2tuf4Qxto= =tJOB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 03:54:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44FC16A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:54:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scanner1.dht.dk (scanner1.dht.dk [195.41.82.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DC0344003 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 03:53:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djarnis@scanner1.dht.dk) Received: (qmail 16032 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2003 10:06:14 -0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (216.136.204.119) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 16:27:01 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BD8584EB; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF43D16A505; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7561C16A4BF; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-107-253.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.107.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAA143FE0; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CB166CFA; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C34207CA; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:02 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-ID: <20030923162502.GA52398@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030923045948.GA50083@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030923160459.79041.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030923160459.79041.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 10:54:13 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > > ports (but the > > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > > includes packages on > > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > >=20 > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing > but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and > fetch the source files that you can compile. What I > was asking for is the facility to have all the sources > of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to > the internet to build your machine). The full set of distfiles takes up 15GB, i.e. about 21 CDs. Is that really practical? ;-) See however the FreeBSD PowerPak sold by FreeBSDMall.com. > > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > > off > > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > > than > > > have packages. > >=20 > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > > are shipped. > >=20 > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > >=20 > > Kris > Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. I doubt it. > FreeBSD only > bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port > while vim is a package. JDK may not be packaged due to the restrictive license on the software. The same is true for most of the other ports that are not packaged (other reasons include that the port is broken or forbidden because it contains a security vulnerability). Also, a full package set is about 5GB (for i386), which would take about 7 CDs. Again, not really practical. > Would it not be better to cut > down on several packages of large size and ship the CD > with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. No, because we would be sued by Sun. Kris --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/cHPeWry0BWjoQKURAjOkAJ9RTjSBGdHvWA4y8luM3QH+PAkUGQCdEYe9 TurfV4TK4IIwxV2tuf4Qxto= =tJOB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 04:05:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD89316A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:05:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scanner1.dht.dk (scanner1.dht.dk [195.41.82.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B878E4400E for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:05:01 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djarnis@scanner1.dht.dk) Received: (qmail 3611 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2003 09:56:16 -0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (216.136.204.119) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 16:06:53 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA60156FFD; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:05:41 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2063A16A4E9; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:05:37 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEADD16A4B3 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com (web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com [217.12.12.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 43EA44400D for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:05:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from keshav_tadimeti@yahoo.co.uk) Message-ID: <20030923160459.79041.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [147.60.1.194] by web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:04:59 BST Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:04:59 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tadimeti=20Keshav?= To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <20030923045948.GA50083@rot13.obsecurity.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:05:06 -0000 --- Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 12:59:30AM +0100, Tadimeti > Keshav wrote: > > Guys, > > Is it possible to get all of the ports on a CD > set? > > This is one area where Linux fares better. Debian > > offers a 7 CD (OK they don'y make ISOs) set that > > contains all packages. > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > ports (but the > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > includes packages on > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and fetch the source files that you can compile. What I was asking for is the facility to have all the sources of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to the internet to build your machine). > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > off > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > than > > have packages. > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > are shipped. > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > > Kris Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. FreeBSD only bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port while vim is a package. Would it not be better to cut down on several packages of large size and ship the CD with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. Hope U get the point. ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 04:33:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F8F716A4BF for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scanner1.dht.dk (scanner1.dht.dk [195.41.82.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 266E443F93 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:33:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from djarnis@scanner1.dht.dk) Received: (qmail 5218 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2003 10:22:43 -0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (216.136.204.119) by 0 with SMTP; 23 Sep 2003 17:01:47 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BD8584EB; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF43D16A505; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:25 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7561C16A4BF; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (adsl-64-169-107-253.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net [64.169.107.253]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAA143FE0; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from rot13.obsecurity.org (rot13.obsecurity.org [10.0.0.5]) by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06CB166CFA; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rot13.obsecurity.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C34207CA; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 09:25:02 -0700 From: Kris Kennaway To: Tadimeti Keshav Message-ID: <20030923162502.GA52398@rot13.obsecurity.org> References: <20030923045948.GA50083@rot13.obsecurity.org> <20030923160459.79041.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030923160459.79041.qmail@web86004.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports on a CD X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:33:07 -0000 --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 05:04:59PM +0100, Tadimeti Keshav wrote: > > What are you really asking here? First you ask for > > ports (but the > > ports collection is on CD1), then you say debian > > includes packages on > > their CDs (so does FreeBSD). > >=20 > Well, remember that the ports collection is nothing > but the skeleton that can connect to the internet and > fetch the source files that you can compile. What I > was asking for is the facility to have all the sources > of all the ports on the CD. (SO you needn't connect to > the internet to build your machine). The full set of distfiles takes up 15GB, i.e. about 21 CDs. Is that really practical? ;-) See however the FreeBSD PowerPak sold by FreeBSDMall.com. > > > I think the FreeBSD distribution would be better > > off > > > having all ports on the 2 additional CDs rather > > than > > > have packages. > >=20 > > Now you say "ports rather than packages", when both > > are shipped. > >=20 > > Can you please clarify what you are asking? > >=20 > > Kris > Debian ships all DEB packages on the CDs. I doubt it. > FreeBSD only > bundles some packages. For example, JDK is a port > while vim is a package. JDK may not be packaged due to the restrictive license on the software. The same is true for most of the other ports that are not packaged (other reasons include that the port is broken or forbidden because it contains a security vulnerability). Also, a full package set is about 5GB (for i386), which would take about 7 CDs. Again, not really practical. > Would it not be better to cut > down on several packages of large size and ship the CD > with the sources needed to compile JDK etc. No, because we would be sued by Sun. Kris --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE/cHPeWry0BWjoQKURAjOkAJ9RTjSBGdHvWA4y8luM3QH+PAkUGQCdEYe9 TurfV4TK4IIwxV2tuf4Qxto= =tJOB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --VbJkn9YxBvnuCH5J-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 04:40:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E7E16A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.uk.assimilatedservers.net (gambit.linux.uk.assimilatedservers.net [62.149.37.14]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F39E44014 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 04:40:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dave@dave-smith.co.uk) Received: (qmail 24880 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2003 11:40:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (213.86.218.36) by gambit.linux.uk.assimilatedservers.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2003 11:40:21 -0000 From: David Smith To: Freebsd-newbies Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-svjQ6qFwuVEH3IjkMQy4" Message-Id: <1064403625.15621.12.camel@tech1> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:40:25 +0100 Subject: Mouse issues X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@dave-smith.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:40:38 -0000 --=-svjQ6qFwuVEH3IjkMQy4 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G'day all. I've having a bit of a nightmare with getting a mouse to work. I've used RH for about 2 years but thought i would put freebsd 4.8 onto my laptop as a way of getting to learn it. The basic install is fine, however when i'm at work i plug my laptop (Sony SR21K) into my PS2 KVM via a USB connector that has PS2 connectors for a keyboard and mouse. Now i can use the keyboard by issuing: kbdcontrol -k /dev/kbd1=20 (although i would prefer to have both able to work the whole time, so any tips here would be most welcome) however the mouse is a different story from dmesg i get: uhub0: Intel UHCI root hub, class 9/0, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1 uhub0: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered ukbd0: Tangtop Generic USBPS2, rev 1.10/0.01, addr 2, iclass 3/1 kbd1 at ukbd0 ums0: Tangtop Generic USBPS2, rev 1.10/0.01, addr 2, iclass 3/1 ums0: 3 buttons and Z dir. however if i do a cat /dev/ums0 i get a device busy error any one got any ideas / thoughts / miracle cures as to where the mouse might be ? TIA Regards Dave --=20 David Smith --=-svjQ6qFwuVEH3IjkMQy4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/cYKpYznRkMld1YARAhiRAKCzYbW2CDnuPjDJCMmroJyLMHeBAACcCoCC 1wM84mSbxfcOkgrtwS7houI= =5k5V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-svjQ6qFwuVEH3IjkMQy4-- From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 12:24:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C533716A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rtklive.com (rtklive.com [128.121.113.145]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A0743FF5 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from taulant@ipko.net) Received: from tvwebmaster2 ([213.163.120.146]) by rtklive.com (8.12.9p1) id h8OJO7H7098953 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003501c382d1$41300e30$05191eac@tvwebmaster2> From: "Taulant Galimuna" To: References: <20030921023042.58891.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:22:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Portage tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:24:14 -0000 Hi people, I just wanted to ask you if there's a command to update the portage tree ? becouse I saw qmail on the freebsd.org web and when I connect with /stand/sysinstall it doesn't show it?! regards, Taulant From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 13:51:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7539516A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B007644033 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:51:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.212]) by smtp.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:42:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3F720399.4020705@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 15:50:33 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Taulant Galimuna References: <20030921023042.58891.qmail@web80604.mail.yahoo.com> <003501c382d1$41300e30$05191eac@tvwebmaster2> In-Reply-To: <003501c382d1$41300e30$05191eac@tvwebmaster2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2003 20:42:32.0289 (UTC) FILETIME=[60AD4510:01C382DC] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Portage tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 20:51:19 -0000 Taulant Galimuna wrote: >Hi people, >I just wanted to ask you if there's a command to update the portage tree ? >becouse I saw qmail on the freebsd.org web and when I connect with >/stand/sysinstall it doesn't show it?! > >regards, >Taulant > It's probably that there isn't a *package* for qmail (but I'm just guessing, haven't checked.) The *port* is in /usr/ports/mail. I'd recommend installing cvsup-without-gui, which /stand/sysinstall should be able to find easily, as there is a package for that. I just put it on one back a week or so ago via sysinstall. After that, you just need a supfile (there is one pre-written in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/, you just pick the closest server and type it in...) and the command: $cvsup /path/to/my-ports-supfile It will update your local ports tree, and then it's a matter of: $cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail $make install clean and the rest is automagic. BTW, welcome to FreeBSD! Feel free to post questions to the questions list; occasionally people come on to remind us that this is just supposed to be a 'newbie' hangout ... chat about the OS, etc. HTH, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 14:00:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE0C16A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw-20.stcloudstate.edu (exchange8.stcloudstate.edu [199.17.25.79]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA2944001 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:00:44 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bepratt@stcloudstate.edu) Received: from exchange7.campus.stcloudstate.edu [199.17.25.221] by mailgw-20.stcloudstate.edu with XWall v3.27 ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:00:41 -0500 Received: from exchange.campus.stcloudstate.edu ([199.17.25.200]) by exchange7.stcloudstate.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:00:40 -0500 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:00:41 -0500 Message-ID: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD9674718118@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Portage tree Thread-Index: AcOC3dTvVaZyKz91TA6H8M9qvYwBxAAAQtMw From: "Pratt, Benjamin E." To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2003 21:00:40.0843 (UTC) FILETIME=[E9816DB0:01C382DE] Subject: RE: Portage tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:00:45 -0000 I'm not sure if this is the same thing that I've run a crossed but I'm new to FreeBSD as well. I'm running 4.8 on a system at home to try to learn. I was looking to install PHP and there's a port area for it /usr/ports/lang/php3 and I want to install PHP 4. I see it when I go to http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/ports.cgi?query=3Dphp&stype=3Dall but it's = not on my system. I installed /usr/ports/sysutils/portupgrade and ran port upgrade (after updating the database) but the new ports weren't available on my system. Is there any way to update the /usr/ports/* area on my system. Ben=20 -----Original Message----- From: Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P. [mailto:kdk@daleco.biz]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 3:51 PM To: Taulant Galimuna Cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Portage tree Taulant Galimuna wrote: >Hi people, >I just wanted to ask you if there's a command to update the portage tree ? >becouse I saw qmail on the freebsd.org web and when I connect with >/stand/sysinstall it doesn't show it?! > >regards, >Taulant > It's probably that there isn't a *package* for qmail (but I'm just guessing, haven't checked.) The *port* is in /usr/ports/mail. I'd recommend installing cvsup-without-gui, which /stand/sysinstall should be able to find easily, as there is a package for that. I just put it on one back a week or so ago via sysinstall. After that, you just need a supfile (there is one pre-written in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/, you just pick the closest server and type it in...) and the command: $cvsup /path/to/my-ports-supfile It will update your local ports tree, and then it's a matter of: $cd /usr/ports/mail/qmail $make install clean and the rest is automagic. BTW, welcome to FreeBSD! Feel free to post questions to the questions list; occasionally people come on to remind us that this is just supposed to be a 'newbie' hangout ... chat about the OS, etc. HTH, Kevin Kinsey _______________________________________________ freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 14:14:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565C916A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:14:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EC4C43FAF for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 14:14:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.212]) by smtp.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:05:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3F7208EE.8060704@daleco.biz> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 16:13:18 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pratt, Benjamin E." References: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD9674718118@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> In-Reply-To: <4F752E686C8E04449DCB9FA7C3BD9674718118@EXCHANGE.campus.stcloudstate.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Sep 2003 21:05:18.0463 (UTC) FILETIME=[8EFAE0F0:01C382DF] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Portage tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:14:05 -0000 >Is there any way to update the /usr/ports/* area on my system. > >Ben > > Yes. Checkout the email you quoted. cvsup-without-gui should be available via /stand/sysinstall, and a sample supfile for the ports tree is in /usr/share/examples/cvsup/. HTH, KDK From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 18:27:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FC116A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digitelone.com (mail.digitelone.com [202.138.128.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47824400B for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:27:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gihl@digitelone.com) Received: from [203.175.2.233] (account ) by digitelone.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.9) with HTTP id 3969494; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:18:59 +0800 From: "Gil Agno Virtucio" To: taulant@ipko.net X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:18:59 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Portage tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:27:41 -0000 You'll propably need to use cvsup to do this. If you dont have it installed in your system you can install it from the ports. As root do : # cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui/ # make install clean && rehash then you can view and edit this file to give you an overview of what you need to do. # more /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile then after that you can copy it to anywhere yo want and edit it in my case i ussualy put it in tmp but you can put the config file where ever you wish. # cp /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile /tmp/ports-sup # cd /tmp && cvsup -g -L 2 ports-sup This is what you need for the cvsup file.. just edit the "*default host=" to which ever cvsup mirror is closer to your location example : # Ports update sup file.. *default host=cvsup1.us.freebsd.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress ports-all hope this helps... btw Welcome to the FreeBSD World!!! ____________________________________________________________________ ** Get your free E-Mail account at WWW.DIGITELONE.COM ** From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 24 18:29:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 620C316A4B3 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digitelone.com (mail.digitelone.com [202.138.128.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554BF43F85 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 18:29:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gihl@digitelone.com) Received: from [203.175.2.233] (account ) by digitelone.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.9) with HTTP id 3969577; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:20:29 +0800 From: "Gil Agno Virtucio" To: bepratt@stcloudstate.edu X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 09:20:29 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: RE: Portage tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 01:29:08 -0000 You'll propably need to use cvsup to do this. If you dont have it installed in your system you can install it from the ports. As root do : # cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui/ # make install clean && rehash then you can view and edit this file to give you an overview of what you need to do. # more /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile then after that you can copy it to anywhere yo want and edit it in my case i ussualy put it in tmp but you can put the config file where ever you wish. # cp /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile /tmp/ports-sup # cd /tmp && cvsup -g -L 2 ports-sup This is what you need for the cvsup file.. just edit the "*default host=" to which ever cvsup mirror is closer to your location example : # Ports update sup file.. *default host=cvsup1.us.freebsd.org *default base=/usr *default prefix=/usr *default release=cvs tag=. *default delete use-rel-suffix *default compress ports-all hope this helps... btw Welcome to the FreeBSD World!!! ____________________________________________________________________ ** Get your free E-Mail account at WWW.DIGITELONE.COM ** From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 25 14:08:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B5216A4B3 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fmx5.freemail.hu (fmx5.freemail.hu [195.228.242.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A708F43F75 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 14:08:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gannater@freemail.hu) Received: (qmail 56440 invoked from network); 25 Sep 2003 23:08:03 +0200 Received: from fm1.freemail.hu (195.228.242.201) by fmx5.freemail.hu with SMTP; 25 Sep 2003 23:08:03 +0200 Received: (qmail 39005 invoked by uid 3644897); 25 Sep 2003 23:07:49 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:07:49 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Gannater_J=E1nos?= To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [81.182.50.72] X-HTTP-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030225 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=ISO-8859-2 Subject: rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 21:08:07 -0000 Hi, How can I reload the preferences in the rc.conf file without a system reboot. I want to make some changes in the rc.conf file, but I don"t want to reboot the system, although I want the new settings to take effect. How can I change a servers IP address without a reboot? I don't want to use the old one, just the new. Thx. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Sep 25 17:32:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1520116A4B3 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digitelone.com (mail.digitelone.com [202.138.128.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1B9A43FBD for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:32:27 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from gihl@digitelone.com) Received: from [202.163.221.178] (account ) by digitelone.com (CommuniGate Pro WebUser 3.5.9) with HTTP id 4046202; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:23:32 +0800 From: "Gil Agno Virtucio" To: gannater@freemail.hu X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro Web Mailer v.3.5.9 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:23:32 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: RE: rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:32:29 -0000 >file, but I don"t want to reboot the system, although I want >the new settings to take effect. maybe you can use "shutdown now" it wouldnt change your uptime if that's what you are after.then after that your system will go to single user mode. it will prompt you for a shell you can just use sh. and just type "exit" at the prompt or "ctrl+d" >How can I change a servers IP address without a reboot? I >don't want to use the old one, just the new. you can try ifconfig.. man ifconfig example if your network interface card is identified as "ep0" ifconfig epo 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 or if you want to add an alias ifconfig -a ep0 192.168.1.2 255.255.255.0 hope this helps... ____________________________________________________________________ ** Get your free E-Mail account at WWW.DIGITELONE.COM ** From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 26 02:19:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1961516A4B3 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (sea1-f25.sea1.hotmail.com [207.68.163.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56BF444013 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:19:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from ignorabimus2002@hotmail.com) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:19:19 -0700 Received: from 213.115.16.102 by sea1fd.sea1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:19:19 GMT X-Originating-IP: [213.115.16.102] X-Originating-Email: [ignorabimus2002@hotmail.com] From: "Toan Hoang" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 11:19:19 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2003 09:19:19.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[43FFF690:01C3840F] Subject: SSH problem! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:19:21 -0000 Greetings! I've got a problem when I'm using ssh to my box. I've made it unable to login as root, so I'be login as user and use su... But when I use su, it seems like my alias is error... when I type ls, I get vim (my vi alias)... Anybody know how to fix it?? regards. Toan _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger http://www.msn.no/messenger - Den korteste veien mellom deg og dine venner From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 26 02:22:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF2D16A4B3 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thor.65535.net (thor.65535.net [216.17.104.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48284400E for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:22:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rghf@fsck.me.uk) Received: from jvds.demon.co.uk ([212.228.151.253] helo=bitch.localdomain) by thor.65535.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A2omI-000CLA-Q5; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 02:20:43 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:24:07 +0100 (BST) From: Rus Foster X-X-Sender: rghf@bitch.localdomain To: Toan Hoang In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: SSH problem! X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:22:27 -0000 On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Toan Hoang wrote: > Greetings! > > I've got a problem when I'm using ssh to my box. > > I've made it unable to login as root, so I'be login as user and use su... > But when I use su, it seems like my alias is error... when I type ls, I get > vim (my vi alias)... > > Anybody know how to fix it?? Try running "su -" as that will inherit the root environment as well Rus -- w: http://www.jvds.com | Linux + FreeBSD Servers from $15/mo e: rghf@jvds.com | Dedicated Servers from $119/mo t: +44 7919 373537 | email: support@jvds.com t: 1-888-327-6330 | email: sales@jvds.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 26 10:06:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 597F416A4B3 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web40604.mail.yahoo.com (web40604.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.78.141]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ADFB344033 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 10:06:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from eduhuertas@yahoo.com) Message-ID: <20030926170614.94069.qmail@web40604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [168.234.139.84] by web40604.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:06:14 CDT Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 12:06:14 -0500 (CDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Eduardo=20Huertas?= To: "Gannater_János" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: rc.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 17:06:15 -0000 --- Gannater_János escribió: > Hi, > > How can I reload the preferences in the rc.conf file > without > a system reboot. I want to make some changes in the > rc.conf > file, but I don"t want to reboot the system, > although I want > the new settings to take effect. > > How can I change a servers IP address without a > reboot? I > don't want to use the old one, just the new. > > Thx. Hi, After changing rc.conf you could re-initiate the network parameters: /etc/netstart Cheers. -edu- _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 26 19:10:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D75216A4B3 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:10:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE03743FA3 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8R2AKFY042563 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id h8R2AKXb042561 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:10:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200309270210.h8R2AKXb042561@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:10:21 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. 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First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. 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You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. 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It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. 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Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 11:03:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0A2C16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns8.icdc.com (ns8.icdc.com [208.244.152.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7675C43FF3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:03:53 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csmith@icdc.com) Received: from WAND (pool-141-158-57-118.phil.east.verizon.net [141.158.57.118]) by ns8.icdc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h8RI5tIb010799; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002301c38522$a2798100$1002a8c0@WAND> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: "Gil Agno Virtucio" , References: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:10:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: RE: Portage tree X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:03:54 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gil Agno Virtucio" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: RE: RE: Portage tree > You'll propably need to use cvsup to do this. If you dont > have it installed in your system you can install it from > the ports. > > As root do : > # cd /usr/ports/net/cvsup-without-gui/ > # make install clean && rehash > > > then you can view and edit this file to give you an > overview of what you need to do. > > # more /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile > > > then after that you can copy it to anywhere yo want and > edit it in my case i ussualy put it in tmp but you can put > the config file where ever you wish. > > # cp /usr/share/examples/cvsup/ports-supfile > /tmp/ports-sup > # cd /tmp && cvsup -g -L 2 ports-sup > > This is what you need for the cvsup file.. just edit the > "*default host=" to which ever cvsup mirror is closer to > your location > > example : > > # Ports update sup file.. > *default host=cvsup1.us.freebsd.org > *default base=/usr > *default prefix=/usr > *default release=cvs tag=. > *default delete use-rel-suffix > *default compress > ports-all > > > hope this helps... > > > btw Welcome to the FreeBSD World!!! You can actually update the ports tree in 3 ways I've found and I used them all at different stages of my FreeBSD Experience. The first way I found maybe a little strange but I did it from /stand/sysinstall. Before I started I deleted the ports tree. I then ran /stand/sysinstall and the media option to FTP. I then went into configure then distributions. From there I can select ports. A new tree is built after the FTP is completed. This method isn't advanced or anything but it's the way I did it at first. Second way I found was to FTP to the ftp.freebsd.org and poke around. I never remembered the correct path but eventually I found ports.tgz file. I was able to get that file then delete the old tree and then untar the file and bang once again new ports tree. The last and the current method I use is the CVSup process as described above. This is the most advanced IMHO and it has the advantage of being cronable (is that a word? The ability to be placed in to a cron and done automatically). The best part about that is you spend less time actually playing with the computer and more time using the computer. And adding ports. I hope that someone finds this post helpful. Chauncey Smith From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 11:10:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D7D16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns8.icdc.com (ns8.icdc.com [208.244.152.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1530C44015 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:10:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from csmith@icdc.com) Received: from WAND (pool-141-158-57-118.phil.east.verizon.net [141.158.57.118]) by ns8.icdc.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h8RIC4Ib011167 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003801c38523$7d9c4a10$1002a8c0@WAND> From: "Chauncey Smith" To: Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:16:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: cool thing I found X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:10:02 -0000 I found that all the stuff that I wrote to newbies and questions get archived. Not a cool feat in and of it self. But what I did find is that if you do a web search on my name everything I ever wrote comes up. From my musings that FreeBSD is like a lot of my ex-girlfriends to the how to get the Archos 20GB hard drive MP3 player to work on FreeBSD to my Dayum the man I'm writing drivers letters. So wow I'm famous... and the cool thing is everyone else who writes in the news groups are too... I'm very happy and excited..... Chauncey Smith From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 11:29:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 280BA16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arzaga.net (adsl-64-109-180-25.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net [64.109.180.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3850D44003 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:29:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from broohaha@arzaga.net) Received: (qmail 28478 invoked by uid 1001); 27 Sep 2003 18:29:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:29:49 -0500 From: Al Arzaga To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Message-ID: <20030927182949.GA28468@arzaga.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG References: <003801c38523$7d9c4a10$1002a8c0@WAND> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <003801c38523$7d9c4a10$1002a8c0@WAND> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i Subject: Re: cool thing I found X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:29:14 -0000 Not only that, your email address gets archived for public consumption. Hence all the Microsoft update and Inet messages you may have been getting. Which reminds me, I need to install Spamassasin this weekend. On Sat, Sep 27, 2003 at 02:16:36PM -0400, Chauncey Smith wrote: > I found that all the stuff that I wrote to newbies and questions get > archived. Not a cool feat in and of it self. But what I did find is that if > you do a web search on my name everything I ever wrote comes up. From my > musings that FreeBSD is like a lot of my ex-girlfriends to the how to get > the Archos 20GB hard drive MP3 player to work on FreeBSD to my Dayum the man > I'm writing drivers letters. > > So wow I'm famous... and the cool thing is everyone else who writes in the > news groups are too... I'm very happy and excited..... > > > Chauncey Smith From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 27 11:36:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB5F16A4B3 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CFF43FE5 for ; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 11:36:22 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from daleco.biz ([69.27.131.107]) by smtp.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:28:01 -0500 Message-ID: <3F75D878.60407@daleco.biz> Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 13:35:36 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030920 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chauncey Smith References: <003801c38523$7d9c4a10$1002a8c0@WAND> In-Reply-To: <003801c38523$7d9c4a10$1002a8c0@WAND> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Sep 2003 18:28:03.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[16956700:01C38525] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: cool thing I found X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 18:36:23 -0000 Chauncey Smith wrote: >I found that all the stuff that I wrote to newbies and questions get >archived. Not a cool feat in and of it self. But what I did find is that if >you do a web search on my name everything I ever wrote comes up. From my >musings that FreeBSD is like a lot of my ex-girlfriends to the how to get >the Archos 20GB hard drive MP3 player to work on FreeBSD to my Dayum the man >I'm writing drivers letters. > >So wow I'm famous... and the cool thing is everyone else who writes in the >news groups are too... I'm very happy and excited..... > > >Chauncey Smith > > > Interesting, yes. 'Course if your ex gets palimony or child support judgments against 'ya, you'll be switching addys every month or so, eh? j/k, Kevin Kinsey