From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 14:19:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0974516A4CE for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:19:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ford.blinkenlights.nl (jip.lelystedeling.nl [213.204.211.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 618D643D45 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:19:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from tea.blinkenlights.nl (tea.blinkenlights.nl [192.168.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ford.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90FC93E434; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:19:19 +0100 (CET) Received: by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id DEF091BD; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:19:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B9113D; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:19:19 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:19:19 +0100 (CET) From: Sten Spans To: "Greg A. Woods" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20041210202803.GI90137@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20041210211612.GA90601@freebie.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FYI, no-go with booting FreeBSD-5.3 on AlphaServer ES40 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:19:22 -0000 On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Greg A. Woods wrote: > [ On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 22:16:12 (+0100), Wilko Bulte wrote: ] >> Subject: Re: FYI, no-go with booting FreeBSD-5.3 on AlphaServer ES40 >> >> I know. Feel free to fix it. > > You're the FreeBSD guy, not me! ;-) from http://www.openbsd.org/hppa.html : Supported models The rule of thumb is: if it weighs more than 25kg -- most likely it is not supported. FreeBSD is a volunteer project, volunteers don't have every hardware combination, volunteers don't get time to support every configuration. The models with the best support are the desktop models, there just ain't a lot of people with ES40's in their bikeshed. When you choose to run Linux or BSD you've got 3 ways to solve problems you might encounter: - Solve them yourself - Give somebody money/hardware to solve them - Ask really nicely on the mailinglists, and somebody might do it for free. The only "supported" option for alpha servers is Tru64, anything else is unsupported. FreeBSD alpha was moved to a tier2 platform for FreeBSD 5, because hp has stopped developing the platform, and because the project wanted to focus on amd64 and sparc64 ( the lengthy and more correct explanation can be found on the lists ). -- Sten Spans "There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in." Leonard Cohen - Anthem From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 19:51:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFC316A4CE for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:51:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from devax.admin.athabascau.ca (devax.admin.athabascau.ca [131.232.5.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE2943D49 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:51:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from RICHARDLO@admin.athabascau.ca) Received: from admin.athabascau.ca by admin.athabascau.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #29292)freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:51:27 MST Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 12:51:26 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Loken In-reply-to: To: Sten Spans Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Please-Resend: yes cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org cc: "Greg A. Woods" Subject: Re: FYI, no-go with booting FreeBSD-5.3 on AlphaServer ES40 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 19:51:50 -0000 On Sun, 12 Dec 2004, Sten Spans wrote: > The only "supported" option for alpha servers is Tru64, > anything else is unsupported. And VMS. VMS is supported on an even smaller group of peripherals but they are less inclined to drop support. My DEC 3000 Model 400 has been disowned by Tru64 but I can put on OpenVMS 7.3-2. After DEC/Compaq discovered that they were no longer the centre of the universe they released firmware for some of their NT only junk that made it usable with VMS/Unix and there are some of those orphans listed in the VMS SPD's that are not listed in the Tru64 SPD's. There even frightening signs that VMS is doing a better job of porting Mozilla that Tru64 and both of them have done a better job of wiring up a recent web browser than FreeBSD and Linux who get a big fat 'F'. I have five obselete Alpha boxes in my selfish little hands: one runs Tru64, one runs VMS, one runs FreeBSD, and two are waiting for me to find enough PCI cards at the right price to make them talk VMS. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 12 20:33:27 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D26F16A4CE for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:33:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from building.weird.com (building.weird.com [204.92.254.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1064A43D55 for ; Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:33:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from woods@building.weird.com) Received: from localhost (4081 bytes) by building.weird.com via sendmail with STDIO (sender: ) (ident using UNIX) id for ; (dest:remote)(R=bind_hosts)(T=inet_zone_bind_smtp) Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:33:16 -0500 (EST) (Smail-3.2.0.121-Pre 2004-Aug-27 #1 built 2004-Nov-1) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 15:33:16 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Face: ;j3Eth2XV8h1Yfu*uL{<:dQ$#E[DB0gemGZJ"J#4fH*][ lz; @-iwMv_u\6uIEKR0KY"=MzoQH#CrqBN`nG_5B@rrM8,f~Gr&h5a\= To: Sten Spans In-Reply-To: References: <20041210202803.GI90137@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20041210211612.GA90601@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 Organization: Planix, Inc.; Toronto, Ontario; Canada cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FYI, no-go with booting FreeBSD-5.3 on AlphaServer ES40 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: "Greg A. Woods" List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:33:27 -0000 [ On Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 15:19:19 (+0100), Sten Spans wrote: ] > Subject: Re: FYI, no-go with booting FreeBSD-5.3 on AlphaServer ES40 > > On Fri, 10 Dec 2004, Greg A. Woods wrote: > > > [ On Friday, December 10, 2004 at 22:16:12 (+0100), Wilko Bulte wrote: ] > >> Subject: Re: FYI, no-go with booting FreeBSD-5.3 on AlphaServer ES40 > >> > >> I know. Feel free to fix it. > > > > You're the FreeBSD guy, not me! ;-) > > from http://www.openbsd.org/hppa.html : > > Supported models > > The rule of thumb is: if it weighs more than 25kg -- > most likely it is not supported. Sure, fine -- but what the heck does openbsd/hppa have to do with freebsd/alpha!?!?!?!? That architecture isn't even related in the first place, and I have not mentioned OpenBSD before either. I suppose I should try booting OpenBSD/alpha though, just for fun! ;-) > FreeBSD is a volunteer project, volunteers don't have > every hardware combination, volunteers don't get time > to support every configuration. Sure, no problem, but you don't have to lecture me about this kind of stuff. I've been doing this "open source" thing for far longer than the phrase ever existed. I'm pretty sure Wilko knows exactly what I meant by the remark I made, and in case you didn't notice there's a winking smiley after it..... > - Give somebody money/hardware to solve them The offer for (temporary) direct console access to the system in question, and all the other resources necessary in its environment for its testing, stands open, and is as yet unused by anyone. I'll also boot kernels anyone points me to and post back the console output. I don't have the time or energy or resources to set up a whole build environment for FreeBSD though (especially since it doesn't seem to be able to cross-compile from any other platform). My focus is on NetBSD and I really can't afford to split my efforts across other platforms these days. > The only "supported" option for alpha servers is Tru64, > anything else is unsupported. That's not what the official FreeBSD web pages say. Every implication is made that FreeBSD-5.3 "supports" the ES40 and no clue is given as to any system configuration limitations. In fact there's not even any mention that it's what you FreeBSD guys call a "tier 2" platform -- the word doesn't even appear in any of the 5.3-RELEASE documentation, nor on the, rather sparse, "platforms" page. Also, not to rub it in too much, but NetBSD is fully supported on the various AlphaServers that it has been ported to. I don't want to seem too partisan here though -- I was hoping to try FreeBSD on this system to see what I could learn, especially since the FreeBSD.org web pages seemed to claim even more support, and earlier support, for the ES40 than NetBSD has yet claimed. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP RoboHack Planix, Inc. 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Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/09/10] alpha/30486 alpha AlphaServer DS10 floppy access is broken o [2001/09/10] alpha/30487 alpha Floppy access on AlphaServer DS20 solid l o [2003/02/05] alpha/47952 alpha DEFPA causes machine check with V5.0-rele o [2003/11/10] alpha/59116 alpha [ntfs] mount_ntfs of a Windows 2000-forma o [2004/01/26] alpha/61940 alpha Can't disklabel new disk from FreeBSD/alp o [2004/01/27] alpha/61973 alpha Machine Check on boot-up of AlphaServer 2 f [2004/06/06] alpha/67626 alpha X crashes an alpha machine, resulting reb 7 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. 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/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/ufs/ufs/ufs_extattr.c:394: error: structure has no member named `a_desc' *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/obj/alpha/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src. TB --- 2004-12-13 14:08:04 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2004-12-13 14:08:04 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2004-12-13 14:08:04 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 17:31:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3292316A52A for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:31:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D363A43D31 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:31:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B6121C86C for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:31:02 -0600 (CST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28014-18 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:31:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from janus.daycos.com (janus.daycos.com [204.26.70.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1561421C86B for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:31:01 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:30:56 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4145941.ZGd3zhQGtU"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Subject: Safe (but quick) GCC settings on a PC64 with 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:31:03 -0000 --nextPart4145941.ZGd3zhQGtU Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I just upgraded a little PC64 from FreeBSD 4.10 to 5.3 via the installer=20 ISO. First, I'd like to send my gratitude and appreciation to everyone who= =20 helped on the Alpha port; the upgrade was a piece of cake and worked=20 perfectly from the first boot. Anyway, I'm planning to rebuild all of my ports to take advantage of GCC's= =20 new optimizations (versus the old 2.95 version they'd been previously built= =20 with) and the kernel to try to wring a little more performance out of this= =20 small system whose dmesg starts with: Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE #0: Sun Dec 12 22:31:54 CST 2004 root@gopher.honeypot.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NEW_GOPHER EB64+ Digital AlphaPC 64 274 MHz, 274MHz 8192 byte page size, 1 processor. CPU: EV45 (21064A) major=3D6 minor=3D2 OSF PAL rev: 0x100040002012d real memory =3D 266346496 (254 MB) avail memory =3D 250544128 (238 MB) apecs0: I currently have these in my /etc/make.conf: CPUTYPE=3Dev45 CFLAGS=3D -O -pipe -mieee COPTFLAGS=3D -O -pipe I have *no* desire to make an unstable system in an attempt to squeeze out= =20 that last 0.2% of performance. On the other hand, this box isn't exactly a= =20 speed demon and every little bit can make a noticeable difference. If I=20 can get an extra 10% at the cost of a lengthy recompile, I'll jump at the=20 chance. I have much more experience with x86 and Sparc systems than Alpha, and I'm= =20 not really sure what else I should or could have in there. I've read the=20 "DEC Alpha Options" section of GCC manual, but I don't have the experience= =20 to know whether things like '-mno-soft-float' are good or bad, or whether I= =20 should be mucking around with '-mmemory-latency'. This is where I could=20 really use a bit of guidance. Many thanks! =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart4145941.ZGd3zhQGtU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQBBvdHT5sRg+Y0CpvERAqXTAKChccA36JoUYP+a+3OG+yOHBATWBgCcCBXr H6ELapujR0rlRzcGAWtxt3s= =un85 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4145941.ZGd3zhQGtU-- From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 17:43:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C540216A4CF for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:43:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 529EE43D4C for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:43:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from [192.168.4.250] (dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.250]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDHhZD0043022; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:43:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) In-Reply-To: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <83229A4B-4D2E-11D9-9C15-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marcel Moolenaar Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 09:43:34 -0800 To: Kirk Strauser X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Safe (but quick) GCC settings on a PC64 with 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:43:36 -0000 On Dec 13, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Anyway, I'm planning to rebuild all of my ports to take advantage of > GCC's > new optimizations (versus the old 2.95 version they'd been previously > built > with) and the kernel to try to wring a little more performance out of > this > small system whose dmesg starts with: *snip* > I currently have these in my /etc/make.conf: > > CPUTYPE=ev45 > CFLAGS= -O -pipe -mieee > COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe I would start by raising the optimization level to 2 (as in -O2). This is our default now in -CURRENT and -STABLE and -CURRENT aren't really that far apart that it's not worth a try. You may run into an occasional compile breakage though, but I don't expect you'll see any instability. Note that some of the machine specific optimizations may only kick in at -O2. I haven't looked at it in detail for the alpha optimizations, but be aware that it might be slightly more involved than just adding a compile flag. FYI, -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 19:00:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE8316A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:00:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05ACA43D48 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:00:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFCE21C8FC for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:00:36 -0600 (CST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31051-14 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:00:35 -0600 (CST) Received: from janus.daycos.com (janus.daycos.com [204.26.70.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8266D21C8D9 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:00:35 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 13:00:30 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> <83229A4B-4D2E-11D9-9C15-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> In-Reply-To: <83229A4B-4D2E-11D9-9C15-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2119902.VnMUuUBxxE"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412131300.34382.kirk@strauser.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Subject: Re: Safe (but quick) GCC settings on a PC64 with 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:00:37 -0000 --nextPart2119902.VnMUuUBxxE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 13 December 2004 11:43, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > I would start by raising the optimization level to 2 (as in -O2). This > is our default now in -CURRENT and -STABLE and -CURRENT aren't really that > far apart that it's not worth a try. You may run into an occasional > compile breakage though, but I don't expect you'll see any instability. Thanks for the tip. I wasn't aware that the situation had improved. At an= y=20 rate, I'm going to run a set of benchmarks (benchmarks/{bytebench, lmbench,= =20 stream, scimarch2c}) at the various optimization levels and see if I can=20 find a noticeable difference. Out of curiosity, on my Athlon systems I can set "CPUTYPE=3Dathlon-tbird"=20 in /etc/make.conf and it will automatically add "-march=3Dathlon-tbird" to = my=20 system and ports builds. On my Alpha, though, it only adds "-mcpu=3Dev45"= =20 and not the expected "-march=3Dev45". Is this general to all Alphas, or is= =20 it because my ev45 is the bottom of the barrel instruction-wise so there's= =20 no instruction set optimization to be had? =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart2119902.VnMUuUBxxE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQBBvebS5sRg+Y0CpvERAhrsAJ9cFMkWH1gyFxmEolxwflHIvgIPawCgmL78 x8PtA+tS4r7qToG8600ksNs= =pSCc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2119902.VnMUuUBxxE-- From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 19:24:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD75516A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:24:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F82C43D64 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:24:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from [192.168.4.250] (dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.250]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDJO2ep043639; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:24:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) In-Reply-To: <200412131300.34382.kirk@strauser.com> References: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> <83229A4B-4D2E-11D9-9C15-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> <200412131300.34382.kirk@strauser.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <8B2E39C7-4D3C-11D9-BEF4-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marcel Moolenaar Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:24:01 -0800 To: Kirk Strauser X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Safe (but quick) GCC settings on a PC64 with 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:24:06 -0000 On Dec 13, 2004, at 11:00 AM, Kirk Strauser wrote: > Out of curiosity, on my Athlon systems I can set "CPUTYPE=athlon-tbird" > in /etc/make.conf and it will automatically add "-march=athlon-tbird" > to my > system and ports builds. On my Alpha, though, it only adds > "-mcpu=ev45" > and not the expected "-march=ev45". Is this general to all Alphas, or > is > it because my ev45 is the bottom of the barrel instruction-wise so > there's > no instruction set optimization to be had? The interpretation of the -m options vary per platform. The meaning of -mcpu on alpha is the same as -march on i386: instruction selection and scheduling. -mtune is used to control instruction scheduling only and on i386 (at least) -mcpu is a deprecated synonym for that. It's a bit odd, but it looks like the GCC folks are trying to normalize things here. See also: http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.3/gcc/Submodel- Options.html#Submodel-Options -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 20:02:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A4616A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:02:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A798E43D46 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:02:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A187E21C86C for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:02:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 33625-14 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:02:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from janus.daycos.com (janus.daycos.com [204.26.70.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BFB21C86B for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:02:28 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> <200412131300.34382.kirk@strauser.com> <8B2E39C7-4D3C-11D9-BEF4-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> In-Reply-To: <8B2E39C7-4D3C-11D9-BEF4-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-UID: 27741 X-Length: 1913 Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 14:02:23 -0600 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1272669.h6adr1U9jH"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412131402.27948.kirk@strauser.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Subject: Re: Safe (but quick) GCC settings on a PC64 with 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:02:31 -0000 --nextPart1272669.h6adr1U9jH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 13 December 2004 13:24, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > The interpretation of the -m options vary per platform. The meaning of > -mcpu on alpha is the same as -march on i386: instruction selection and > scheduling. I see. I'd seen the '-mcpu' option but pretty much skipped past it except= =20 for the cpu_type definitions. By the way, I appreciate the quick and informative answers. I realize that= =20 I'm very much a newbie to this architecture, but I'm learning a lot and=20 trying not to pester everyone else in the process. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart1272669.h6adr1U9jH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQBBvfVT5sRg+Y0CpvERAsMbAJ9BamUJDUUWt5V5wq381fRn0Z95lwCgivGg UcJYwf01el4KLE1EXAhCnVU= =ytvA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1272669.h6adr1U9jH-- From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 13 20:53:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0536616A4CE for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:53:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C598943D39 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:53:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBDKrTwf001578; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:53:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBDKrSmR001577; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:53:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 12:53:28 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: Kirk Strauser , freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041213205328.GA1546@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> <83229A4B-4D2E-11D9-9C15-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <83229A4B-4D2E-11D9-9C15-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 Subject: Re: Safe (but quick) GCC settings on a PC64 with 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:53:30 -0000 On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 09:43:34AM -0800, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Dec 13, 2004, at 9:30 AM, Kirk Strauser wrote: > >I currently have these in my /etc/make.conf: > > > > CPUTYPE=ev45 > > CFLAGS= -O -pipe -mieee > > COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe > > I would start by raising the optimization level to 2 (as in -O2). This > is our default now in -CURRENT and -STABLE and -CURRENT aren't really I would use "-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing" otherwise there can be problems with ports. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 15:14:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28DD16A4CF for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:14:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail5.speakeasy.net (mail5.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CA7343D41 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:14:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 5326 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 15:14:34 -0000 Received: from dsl027-160-063.atl1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) encrypted SMTP for ; 15 Dec 2004 15:14:34 -0000 Received: from slimer.baldwin.cx (slimer.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.16]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBFFEP3O002756; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:14:30 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:42:26 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.6.2 References: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> <200412131300.34382.kirk@strauser.com> <8B2E39C7-4D3C-11D9-BEF4-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> In-Reply-To: <8B2E39C7-4D3C-11D9-BEF4-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412150942.26797.jhb@FreeBSD.org> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on server.baldwin.cx Subject: Re: Safe (but quick) GCC settings on a PC64 with 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:14:34 -0000 On Monday 13 December 2004 02:24 pm, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Dec 13, 2004, at 11:00 AM, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > Out of curiosity, on my Athlon systems I can set "CPUTYPE=athlon-tbird" > > in /etc/make.conf and it will automatically add "-march=athlon-tbird" > > to my > > system and ports builds. On my Alpha, though, it only adds > > "-mcpu=ev45" > > and not the expected "-march=ev45". Is this general to all Alphas, or > > is > > it because my ev45 is the bottom of the barrel instruction-wise so > > there's > > no instruction set optimization to be had? > > The interpretation of the -m options vary per platform. The meaning of > -mcpu > on alpha is the same as -march on i386: instruction selection and > scheduling. > -mtune is used to control instruction scheduling only and on i386 (at > least) > -mcpu is a deprecated synonym for that. It's a bit odd, but it looks > like the > GCC folks are trying to normalize things here. > > See also: > http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.3/gcc/Submodel- > Options.html#Submodel-Options You can just use 'CPUTYPE' in /etc/make.conf as on the other archs and let it set the gcc -mcpu=foo option for you. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve" = http://www.FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 16:20:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7542F16A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:20:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (trang.nuxi.com [66.93.134.19]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CDF343D1F for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:20:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from obrien@NUXI.com) Received: from dragon.nuxi.com (obrien@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBFGKoZJ032462; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:20:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien@dragon.nuxi.com) Received: (from obrien@localhost) by dragon.nuxi.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBFGKnaH032461; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:20:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from obrien) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 08:20:49 -0800 From: "David O'Brien" To: ticso@cicely.de Message-ID: <20041215162049.GC31842@dragon.nuxi.com> References: <20041210202803.GI90137@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20041210211612.GA90601@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20041210220114.GQ63234@cicely12.cicely.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041210220114.GQ63234@cicely12.cicely.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.0-CURRENT Organization: The NUXI BSD Group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FYI, no-go with booting FreeBSD-5.3 on AlphaServer ES40 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:20:55 -0000 On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 11:01:15PM +0100, Bernd Walter wrote: > I have an implementation that should work for ES40 as well, but > unfortunately there are some bugs I hadn't time to find yet. > I thought about splitting it up and start commiting a few structural > changes soon so FreeBSD at least knows it's limitations and can > automatically reduce physical memory until the implementation is > working. Go Bernd, go! :-) It would be great to get your work committed in some form. Since Alpha is now Tier-2; you could commit it even in an ugly #ifdef form where you might could get more testers, etc... -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 16:52:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 335E116A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:52:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2842543D55 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:52:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBFGqDKX094192; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:52:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBFGqDcw006001; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:52:13 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBFGqC5g006000; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:52:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:52:12 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041215165212.GA5978@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20041210202803.GI90137@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20041210211612.GA90601@freebie.xs4all.nl> <20041210220114.GQ63234@cicely12.cicely.de> <20041215162049.GC31842@dragon.nuxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041215162049.GC31842@dragon.nuxi.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: ticso@cicely.de Subject: Re: FYI, no-go with booting FreeBSD-5.3 on AlphaServer ES40 X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 16:52:16 -0000 On Wed, Dec 15, 2004 at 08:20:49AM -0800, David O'Brien wrote.. > On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 11:01:15PM +0100, Bernd Walter wrote: > > I have an implementation that should work for ES40 as well, but > > unfortunately there are some bugs I hadn't time to find yet. > > I thought about splitting it up and start commiting a few structural > > changes soon so FreeBSD at least knows it's limitations and can > > automatically reduce physical memory until the implementation is > > working. > > Go Bernd, go! :-) > It would be great to get your work committed in some form. > Since Alpha is now Tier-2; you could commit it even in an ugly #ifdef > form where you might could get more testers, etc... Go and washed thou mouth with soap.. ;-) W/ -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 15 19:32:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD3D16A4CE for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:32:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net (kanga.honeypot.net [208.162.254.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4375543D5E for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:32:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kirk@strauser.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9F7221EC7 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:32:47 -0600 (CST) Received: from kanga.honeypot.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (kanga.honeypot.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75591-20 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:32:46 -0600 (CST) Received: from janus.daycos.com (janus.daycos.com [204.26.70.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by kanga.honeypot.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92D5221EC6 for ; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:32:46 -0600 (CST) From: Kirk Strauser To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 13:32:42 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200412131130.59807.kirk@strauser.com> <83229A4B-4D2E-11D9-9C15-000D93C47836@xcllnt.net> <20041213205328.GA1546@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: <20041213205328.GA1546@dragon.nuxi.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1732427.TU33l7dpZO"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412151332.45800.kirk@strauser.com> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at honeypot.net Subject: Re: Safe (but quick) GCC settings on a PC64 with 5.3? X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 19:32:48 -0000 --nextPart1732427.TU33l7dpZO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Monday 13 December 2004 14:53, David O'Brien wrote: > I would use "-O2 -fno-strict-aliasing" otherwise there can be problems > with ports. Thanks for the tip. Would that apply to world and kernel as well? I tried= =20 building the OpenSSL library without "-fno-strict-aliasing" and got a few=20 type-punning warnings, but it seemed to run correctly. The GCC manual says that flag disables some optimizations. Using "openssl= =20 speed" as a rough benchmark didn't show a statistically significant=20 difference between using it or not; is anyone aware of any circumstances=20 where using it needlessly would invoke a significant penalty? By the way, my initial benchmark showed about a 50% speed increase in=20 OpenSSL by using "-O2" instead of "-O". Assuming everything continues to=20 work correctly, I'm very pleased about how this is turning out. =2D-=20 Kirk Strauser --nextPart1732427.TU33l7dpZO Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQBBwJFd5sRg+Y0CpvERAtOoAJwOsRscOIj4mT0G08FpyTOJlcVZyACfXUBY /1NofHwEUr+szM3d5Tpm3bw= =ck+6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1732427.TU33l7dpZO-- From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 17 19:09:06 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2692316A4D3; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:09:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C1643D49; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:09:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp2.sentex.ca (smtp2.sentex.ca [199.212.134.9]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHJ94P0066955; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:09:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBHJ94FC066181; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:09:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 77B1C7306E; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:09:04 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20041217190904.77B1C7306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:09:04 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 12:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on clamscanner2 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/627/Sun Dec 12 14:53:11 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on avscan2 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [current tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 19:09:06 -0000 TB --- 2004-12-17 18:00:00 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2004-12-17 18:00:00 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2004-12-17 18:00:00 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2004-12-17 18:00:00 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha TB --- 2004-12-17 18:00:00 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2004-12-17 18:06:14 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2004-12-17 18:06:14 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2004-12-17 18:06:14 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything [...] cc -O2 -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -DUSE_INET6 -DIPL_NAME=\"/dev/ipl\" -DIPFILTER_LOG -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../contrib/ipfilter -c /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_frag.c cc -O2 -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -DUSE_INET6 -DIPL_NAME=\"/dev/ipl\" -DIPFILTER_LOG -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../contrib/ipfilter -c /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_state.c cc -O2 -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -DUSE_INET6 -DIPL_NAME=\"/dev/ipl\" -DIPFILTER_LOG -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../contrib/ipfilter -c /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c: In function `nat_log': /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c:2904: error: `rulen' undeclared (first use in this function) /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c:2904: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c:2904: error: for each function it appears in.) /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c:2904: error: `np' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src. TB --- 2004-12-17 19:09:04 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2004-12-17 19:09:04 - ERROR: failed to build world TB --- 2004-12-17 19:09:04 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 02:13:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E0116A4CE; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:13:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smarthost2.sentex.ca (smarthost2.sentex.ca [205.211.164.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A6643D1F; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:13:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp1.sentex.ca (smtp1.sentex.ca [199.212.134.4]) by smarthost2.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBI2DMk4090499; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:13:22 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd-current.sentex.ca (freebsd-current.sentex.ca [64.7.128.98]) by smtp1.sentex.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iBI2DLNF062030; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:13:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from tinderbox@freebsd.org) Received: by freebsd-current.sentex.ca (Postfix, from userid 666) id 6A32F7306E; Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:13:22 -0500 (EST) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20041218021322.6A32F7306E@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:13:22 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/625/Fri Dec 10 12:41:57 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/627/Sun Dec 12 14:53:11 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on clamscanner2 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: [releng_5 tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 02:13:24 -0000 TB --- 2004-12-18 01:17:11 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2004-12-18 01:17:11 - starting RELENG_5 tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2004-12-18 01:17:11 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2004-12-18 01:17:11 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha TB --- 2004-12-18 01:17:11 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -rRELENG_5 src TB --- 2004-12-18 01:25:56 - building world (CFLAGS=-O -pipe) TB --- 2004-12-18 01:25:56 - cd /home/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2004-12-18 01:25:56 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything [...] cc -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -DUSE_INET6 -DIPL_NAME=\"/dev/ipl\" -DIPFILTER_LOG -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../contrib/ipfilter -c /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_frag.c cc -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -DUSE_INET6 -DIPL_NAME=\"/dev/ipl\" -DIPFILTER_LOG -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../contrib/ipfilter -c /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_state.c cc -O -pipe -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -DUSE_INET6 -DIPL_NAME=\"/dev/ipl\" -DIPFILTER_LOG -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../contrib/ipfilter -c /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c: In function `nat_log': /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c:2904: error: `rulen' undeclared (first use in this function) /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c:2904: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c:2904: error: for each function it appears in.) /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest/../../sys/contrib/ipfilter/netinet/ip_nat.c:2904: error: `np' undeclared (first use in this function) *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin/ipftest. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src/usr.sbin. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/RELENG_5/alpha/alpha/src. TB --- 2004-12-18 02:13:22 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2004-12-18 02:13:22 - ERROR: failed to build world TB --- 2004-12-18 02:13:22 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 09:39:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E6016A4CE for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:39:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dedicated.gogr.net (207-36-15-160.ptr.primarydns.com [207.36.15.160]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F52643D48 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:39:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from info@infomarine.gr) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by dedicated.gogr.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iBI9XLH02282 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:33:21 GMT Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:33:21 GMT Message-Id: <200412180933.iBI9XLH02282@dedicated.gogr.net> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org From: info@infomarine.gr X-Mailer: Perl Powered Socket Mailer Subject: Merry Cristmas from Infomarine On-Line X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: info@infomarine.gr List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:39:38 -0000 The management and staff from our office Infomarine On-Line at www.infomarine.gr would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2004. To pick up your cards, simply point your browser at the page listed below. www.infomarine.gr/cards/dec12-8884132590.html We are delighted to send your Greetings card to your friends via the link below. www.infomarine.gr/indextopcards.htm ============================================ Infomarine On-line www.infomarine.gr www.domainmarine.com www.infomarine.net www.gogr.gr www.marineterms.com 29, Plastira St. N.Erithrea 146-71 Athens - Greece Tel: +30-210- 620-4792 Fax: +30-210- 620-4793 From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 19:48:14 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AE816A4FD for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:48:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web41508.mail.yahoo.com (web41508.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB4BC43D39 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:48:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from starkruzr1701@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 52729 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2004 19:48:13 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=eHBs+4ejZ2cDZkmr5bnOD6zAgmtFtDoNSbPpPd2NCMBpeTyYTbsaolpgiewFxx0sNM0VlOOvLDTH8S3++iSYuIwJY/hP7VsiGEOuLFIfAWG7IV4xJ4a/7inHyv7nEZYmDTJto7uJaWOrID9hOr054sCwksR2fsau/AXsdNuToO4= ; Message-ID: <20041218194813.52727.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.22.204.254] by web41508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:48:13 PST Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:48:13 -0800 (PST) From: J D To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20041215070334.GA90262@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: More Alpha woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:48:14 -0000 Tried disklabel da0. This resulted in "disklabel: /dev/da0: no valid label found." Still can't mount the disk or any partitions in it. Also tried tricking the top interlock switch on the Alpha system itself. Strange, because with the power on, tripping the interlock causes the machine to come on for about a second and then shut off like it did before. It repeats this every time I trip the interlock. Any ideas what else could be causing this trouble? JD --- Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Tue, 2004-Dec-14 15:14:32 -0800, J D wrote: > >Hey, new here. I figured I would subscribe to this list as opposed > to > >the others because I have something of an odd problem which is > directly > >related to matters hardware. > > Alpha hardware is sufficiently uncommon that it's also discussed on > -alpha. > > >Recently, that machine simply stopped working. You hit the power > >switch, hear a brief click and spinning up of fans, and the power > light > >goes off about a second and a half afterward, sans any beeping, > >blinking lights or presentation of error information on the > machine's > >built-in LCD. > > That sounds like a PSU problem. I agree that trying to buy a new one > would be impractical (and uneconomic). If you know someone with some > hardware skills, it may be repairable - the inside probably won't be > that peculiar. > > >The machine now recognizes the presence of the three 2GB drives, but > >sysinstall's fdisk calls the partitions on them "unused." When I do > >"fdisk da0" from a root prompt, however, I get these bits of > relevant > >data: > > The problem is that Alpha disks don't have a PC-style partition > table. > > >So. Be straight with me. Is the data on these drives completely > >unrecoverable? Can I do some gymnastics to get it back? > > The data is still there and should be recoverable. Rather than > using sysinstall, try installing the disks onto a functional FreeBSD > system and try "disklabel daN". You should be able to mount those > partitions. > > >issue. Is there some help for this, if true? Wikipedia says this > >about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness which makes me > think > >that possibly my Alpha and PII are different-endian. > > The Alpha is theoretically bytesexual but, AFAIK, only little-endian > Alpha systems exist. Your A1000 is definitely little-endian - which > matches your P-II. The only issue you might bump into is that longs > are 32-bits on i386 and 64-bits on Alpha, though all the on-disk > structures are fixed sizes so this won't affect mounting the disk. > > >TIA for any help you can offer. Anyone who wants it, btw, can have > any > >of the hardware from my Alpha machine if they'd like it :) > > You might like to offer this in -alpha and give an indication of > where > you are (since an A1000 is not compact). > > -- > Peter Jeremy > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 20:44:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D6E416A4CE; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:44:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48B6B43D1F; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:44:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBIKiaRc068839; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:44:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBIKiZEn031139; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:44:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBIKiZ9S031138; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:44:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:44:35 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: J D Message-ID: <20041218204435.GA31088@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20041215070334.GA90262@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <20041218194813.52727.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041218194813.52727.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More Alpha woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:44:38 -0000 On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 11:48:13AM -0800, J D wrote.. > Tried disklabel da0. This resulted in "disklabel: /dev/da0: no valid > label found." Still can't mount the disk or any partitions in it. > > Also tried tricking the top interlock switch on the Alpha system > itself. Strange, because with the power on, tripping the interlock > causes the machine to come on for about a second and then shut off like > it did before. It repeats this every time I trip the interlock. Any > ideas what else could be causing this trouble? Duff CPU or case fan can do this. Most if not all Alpha fans have a tacho on them to monitor them. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 21:20:34 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A384716A4CF for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:20:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web41503.mail.yahoo.com (web41503.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.86]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 495B643D48 for ; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:20:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from starkruzr1701@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53585 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Dec 2004 21:20:34 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=h/g+J9NeBSSkxJ/QdkkuyQSaefe8gq98m8hKHv1LNVoxqRj88iOHnm7rCmgf0BtxDpBzn9ZyPfmWSL4fMKNLVhDDbhEBx2xNBvqkvM72MGA6iEPTjHqyIgKwg7Yz3AwZnscwrrD8NOHIwWfU6F3KDhpzWSHhz9+2Ft2oZKHHEKg= ; Message-ID: <20041218212034.53583.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.22.204.254] by web41503.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:20:34 PST Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:20:34 -0800 (PST) From: J D To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <86k6rfmj95.wl%john@utzweb.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More Alpha woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 21:20:34 -0000 I can hear the fans spinning up every time I trip the switch. Which fan should I be looking at specifically? --- "John L.Utz III" wrote: > i hear 'bad power supply', with the most likely culprit being the fan > siezed > up. > > can you spin the fan with your finger > > At Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:48:13 -0800 (PST), > J D wrote: > > > > Tried disklabel da0. This resulted in "disklabel: /dev/da0: no > valid > > label found." Still can't mount the disk or any partitions in it. > > > > Also tried tricking the top interlock switch on the Alpha system > > itself. Strange, because with the power on, tripping the interlock > > causes the machine to come on for about a second and then shut off > like > > it did before. It repeats this every time I trip the interlock. > Any > > ideas what else could be causing this trouble? > > > > JD > > > > --- Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2004-Dec-14 15:14:32 -0800, J D wrote: > > > >Hey, new here. I figured I would subscribe to this list as > opposed > > > to > > > >the others because I have something of an odd problem which is > > > directly > > > >related to matters hardware. > > > > > > Alpha hardware is sufficiently uncommon that it's also discussed > on > > > -alpha. > > > > > > >Recently, that machine simply stopped working. You hit the > power > > > >switch, hear a brief click and spinning up of fans, and the > power > > > light > > > >goes off about a second and a half afterward, sans any beeping, > > > >blinking lights or presentation of error information on the > > > machine's > > > >built-in LCD. > > > > > > That sounds like a PSU problem. I agree that trying to buy a new > one > > > would be impractical (and uneconomic). If you know someone with > some > > > hardware skills, it may be repairable - the inside probably won't > be > > > that peculiar. > > > > > > >The machine now recognizes the presence of the three 2GB drives, > but > > > >sysinstall's fdisk calls the partitions on them "unused." When > I do > > > >"fdisk da0" from a root prompt, however, I get these bits of > > > relevant > > > >data: > > > > > > The problem is that Alpha disks don't have a PC-style partition > > > table. > > > > > > >So. Be straight with me. Is the data on these drives > completely > > > >unrecoverable? Can I do some gymnastics to get it back? > > > > > > The data is still there and should be recoverable. Rather than > > > using sysinstall, try installing the disks onto a functional > FreeBSD > > > system and try "disklabel daN". You should be able to mount > those > > > partitions. > > > > > > >issue. Is there some help for this, if true? Wikipedia says > this > > > >about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness which makes me > > > think > > > >that possibly my Alpha and PII are different-endian. > > > > > > The Alpha is theoretically bytesexual but, AFAIK, only > little-endian > > > Alpha systems exist. Your A1000 is definitely little-endian - > which > > > matches your P-II. The only issue you might bump into is that > longs > > > are 32-bits on i386 and 64-bits on Alpha, though all the on-disk > > > structures are fixed sizes so this won't affect mounting the > disk. > > > > > > >TIA for any help you can offer. Anyone who wants it, btw, can > have > > > any > > > >of the hardware from my Alpha machine if they'd like it :) > > > > > > You might like to offer this in -alpha and give an indication of > > > where > > > you are (since an A1000 is not compact). > > > > > > -- > > > Peter Jeremy > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! 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Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 18 22:06:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDC916A4CE; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:06:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9D843D45; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:06:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr1.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBIM61TE097680; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:06:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBIM61YO031516; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:06:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iBIM61Kk031515; Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:06:01 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:06:01 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: J D Message-ID: <20041218220600.GA31493@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <86k6rfmj95.wl%john@utzweb.net> <20041218212034.53583.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041218212034.53583.qmail@web41503.mail.yahoo.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.11-PRERELEASE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: More Alpha woes X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 22:06:03 -0000 On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 01:20:34PM -0800, J D wrote.. > I can hear the fans spinning up every time I trip the switch. Which > fan should I be looking at specifically? All with 3 wires. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org