From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 00:25:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FE4616A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:25:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hanoi.cronyx.ru (hanoi.cronyx.ru [144.206.181.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7F843D3F for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:25:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Received: (from root@localhost) by hanoi.cronyx.ru (8.13.0/vak/3.0) id iAS0T2V8020874 for freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org.checked; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:29:02 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Received: from cronyx.ru (hanoi.cronyx.ru [144.206.181.53]) by hanoi.cronyx.ru (8.13.0/vak/3.0) with ESMTP id iAS0Smex020861; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:28:48 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Message-ID: <41A91816.30807@cronyx.ru> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 03:13:10 +0300 From: Roman Kurakin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; ru-RU; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030426 X-Accept-Language: ru-ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org, FreeBSD Current Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: MPSAFE sppp(+fr support) cp cx ctau X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 00:25:25 -0000 Hi, I am glad to announce stable version of patches for sppp, cp, ctau and cx drivers with support of mpsafe. SPPP: Sppp will work in mpsafe mode only for adapters that do not have IFF_NEEDSGIANT flag. Also this patch contains if_spppfr.c with fr support for sppp (4). CP/CX/CTAU: Adapters will work in mpsafe mode only if both debug.mpsafenet and debug.{cp|cx|ctau}.mpsafenet set to 1. Patches (relative current) can be downloaded from: http://people.freebsd.org/~rik/rik_netperf_20041128-1.pch Please test them and let me know if you have any problems. Patches were tested on Tau-PCI - Cisco 2500 at speed 4M on Dual CPU system with ping-f and uptime ~one week. rik From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 07:21:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5C216A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:21:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail06.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CE443D4C for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:21:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c211-30-75-229.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.75.229]) iAS7L8HI001537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:21:10 +1100 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])iAS7L7xP058867; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:21:07 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost)iAS7L65Z058866; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:21:06 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:21:06 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Koen Martens Message-ID: <20041128072106.GA56933@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <20041126193800.GB11747@metro.cx> <20041126215843.GE47714@stack.nl> <20041127204309.GB19733@metro.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041127204309.GB19733@metro.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Jail + sysv shmem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 07:21:13 -0000 On Sat, 2004-Nov-27 21:43:09 +0100, Koen Martens wrote: >Why would one want access from the outside system to the jailed system? >Is this something that is used frequently? The sysadmin is likely to need access to: 1) look at SysV IPC usage across the entire system 2) clean up after a process has died unexpectedly. Whilst it's possible for the sysadmin to enter the relevant jail and look at what is used in that jail, it's very difficult to get an overall view of the system in this way - especially if there are lots of jails. Robert Watson was also looking into this recently. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 16:42:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2BC16A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:42:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B83043D5A for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:42:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dr.clau@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so343653rnf for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:42:46 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:x-enigmail-supports:content-type; b=RNJjgaoONGG2tqzR+i7WVvFwJecIUyq2d3Cgu8JPSJzUG5GwN3ZBfbfZNf4gRWDs87jbM4ep79RExupwzCFuJ74MLGvSt+LI46liMTDdoiq6R8n6Bcwv4rwgHb7MnPAhRriyj6gpcc7P3FEEi1PGaa3U4PuDzC0oDnCh32l9qyM= Received: by 10.38.83.75 with SMTP id g75mr1195743rnb; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:42:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?82.79.29.15? ([82.79.29.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 71sm6114rnb; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 08:42:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:43:47 +0200 From: Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041125) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Watson References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC03C16C868CA298C8D5432BB" cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:42:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC03C16C868CA298C8D5432BB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Robert Watson wrote: > Sounds like a bug, but the interesting question is really whether it's a > kernel bug or an SSH bug. I'm not up on SSH internals, but there are a > few other knobs you might try and things to look at that might help > address whether it's a kernel bug or not: > > (1) Try debug.mpsafenet=0 in loader.conf on the 5.3 box -- if we're > looking at a kernel race condition due to a locking bug, that might > close the race. However, it might also just changing the timing... > That this happens on SMP and UP suggests that it's not so much a > timing issue. I tried debug.mpsafenet=0. No change. > > (2) select() is almost always used to wait for space in a buffer to write, > or wait for data in a buffer to read. Using a combination of > netstat(1) and sockstat(1), it would be useful to know whether there > is in fact data in either the send or receive buffer. Combined with > inspecting the state of the select arguments and socket buffers in > kernel, this might reveal whether perhaps there was a missed wakeup. > It's worth noting that we believe we corrected a bug with exactly thes > symptoms shortly before 5.3 release. > > Robert N M Watson FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Projects > robert@fledge.watson.org Principal Research Scientist, McAfee Research I knew about the poll()/select() issue, that's why I thought this is the case. I have tried to same connection from a Windows with Putty client, on one machine everything is ok, but on another dmesg triggers again the lock. A friend tried both FreeBSD 5.3 and Windows, and it seems that it locks more often in 5.3, but not only in 5.3. More, I connected to another machine with ssh, and from there I ssh'ed to the server which seems to trigger the lock. It still locks. Even more, a tcpdump on the other end (I have access to the router/firewall, which is right before the machine I am testing with), after the lock-up, still shows packets being send from the server to me, but a tcpdump at my end shows nothing: packets never get here. In the light of the new events, I guess I can say that FreeBSD 5.3 acts exactly as it should act, select() waits for packets that never get here. Unless packets get here but are never processed by kernel (?). Since the problem occurs only when I connect to the firewall or to a server behind it, I started to suspect a hardware failure. Could a network card cause such problems ? The firewall is running on FreeBSD 5.2.1 with PF+ALTQ, and I can observe the same behaviour: dmesg locks ssh connection. I have test this with PF disabled, and the problem still occurs, so I can eliminate PF as a problem. I've crossposted to hackers list too, since this can be of interest there too. If anyone has any ideea of what might be going on, it would be helpful. With respect, -- Claudiu Dragalina-Paraipan dr.clau@gmail.com --------------enigC03C16C868CA298C8D5432BB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBqgBIm0FWxb+swkQRAkL/AJ9Ae9XtPWVogfjjiGmaBBx6BOhccwCgnnGV vcbFYH0Aq06Lif4pkVIjLIc= =3hLL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC03C16C868CA298C8D5432BB-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 16:51:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4A116A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:51:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freebee.digiware.nl (dsl439.iae.nl [212.61.63.187]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11BE43D5C for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:51:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wjw@withagen.nl) Received: from [212.61.27.71] (dual.digiware.nl [212.61.27.71]) by freebee.digiware.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iASGp0PF033657; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:51:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wjw@withagen.nl) Message-ID: <41AA01F3.20007@withagen.nl> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 17:50:59 +0100 From: Willem Jan Withagen User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Gilbert References: <16807.43982.791254.46022@canoe.dclg.ca> In-Reply-To: <16807.43982.791254.46022@canoe.dclg.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dumps with more than 4gig. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 16:51:17 -0000 David Gilbert wrote: > Did someone submit a patch that fixes dumps in excess of 4 Gig on > arches like amd64? About half a year ago I had some discussion on am64 when I was not able to dump th kernel when having 2GB of memory... That got fixed, and after some talks a different solution was chosen because that would be more universal. From your question I conclude that it did not solve the whole problem.... I I remember correctly I suggested taking a size_t len for the action to write the core. But it was fixed in one layer up by writing multiple blocks and calling the routine more times. Now if I could only remember where that was.... But I started searching from amd64/amd64/dump_machdep.c I guess that you'd have to start there also, after which you'll end up with the disk io-specific module dumpers: ---- cam/scsi/scsi_da.c:static dumper_t dadump; dev/aac/aac_disk.c:static dumper_t aac_disk_dump; dev/amr/amr_disk.c: sc->amrd_disk->d_dump = (dumper_t *)amrd_dump; dev/ata/ata-disk.c:static dumper_t addump; dev/ata/ata-raid.c:static dumper_t ardump; dev/ida/ida_disk.c:static dumper_t idad_dump; dev/null/null.c: return (set_dumper(NULL)); dev/twe/twe_freebsd.c: sc->twed_disk->d_dump = (dumper_t *)twed_dump; ---- For the specific details. I perhaps it even depends on what kind of storage you're using --WjW From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 18:29:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6AC16A4CE; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:29:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.rdstm.ro (mail.rdstm.ro [193.231.233.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6AA43D46; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:29:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aanton@spintech.ro) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (casa_auto [81.196.32.25]) by mail.rdstm.ro (8.12.10/8.12.1) with ESMTP id iASIQUOp026010; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:26:30 +0200 Message-ID: <41AA192B.10802@spintech.ro> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:30:03 +0200 From: Alin-Adrian Anton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20041016) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Barney Wolff , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> <20041128180843.GA58546@pit.databus.com> In-Reply-To: <20041128180843.GA58546@pit.databus.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:29:52 -0000 Hi, Barney Wolff wrote: > > Perhaps an MTU problem, with the ICMP "fragmentation needed but DF set" > being blocked by the firewall? It would only show up when the server > has enough to send to fill a packet. > I'm the friend he was talking about. The very same thing happens when the firewall is disabled. I tried from 5.2.1 console and same thing happens. However, we were unable to reproduce the problem on any other servers. It only happens there. No, it's not an ssh bug. I wrote a connect-back snippet and the same thing happens when running commands with relatively big output (like dmesg). I tried logging from 5.2.1 and 5.3 to different servers behind his firewall, running also 5.3 and 5.2.1. The results are similar for all the possible combinations. A tcpdump shows that what actually happens is that packets won't reach me in spite of the fact that his firewall(router)'s tcpdump shows that he keeps sending them to me. Packets never reach me, but I am still able to send them, by pressing ENTER on the ssh console. Interesting fact is that I also get ACK packets for each of the packet I send by pressing ENTER. However this is useless, as the connection is already desynced and I receive no output. The connection times out in 5 minutes. I hope I didn't use a way too obfuscated English. PS: I personally suspect a hardware failure, probably an ethernet card, and he is going to check this out tomorrow. Regards, -- Alin-Adrian Anton Spintech Systems GPG keyID 0x1E2FFF2E (2963 0C11 1AF1 96F6 0030 6EE9 D323 639D 1E2F FF2E) gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 1E2FFF2E From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 20:03:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D1916A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:03:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sendmail.metro.cx (sonolo.xs4all.nl [80.126.206.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A66743D39 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:03:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fbsd@metro.cx) Received: from dave.dh.sono (dave.dh.sono [10.1.2.5]) by sendmail.metro.cx (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iASK3V8p076162 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:03:31 GMT Received-SPF: none (sendmail.metro.cx: 10.1.2.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of metro.cx>) client-ip=10.1.2.5; envelope-from=; helo=dave.dh.sono; Received: from dave.dh.sono (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dave.dh.sono (8.12.9-20030917/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iASK3V6B004726 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:03:31 +0100 Received: (from gmc@localhost) by dave.dh.sono (8.12.9-20030917/8.12.9/Submit) id iASK3VE8004725 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:03:31 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: dave.dh.sono: gmc set sender to fbsd@metro.cx using -f Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:03:31 +0100 From: Koen Martens To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041128200330.GA4640@metro.cx> References: <20041128120058.DC71716A4CE@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041128120058.DC71716A4CE@hub.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-PGP-Key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc X-Helo-Milter-Helo: dave.dh.sono X-Helo-Milter-Hostname: dave.dh.sono X-Helo-Milter-Ip: 10.1.2.5 Subject: Re: Jail + sysv shmem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:03:33 -0000 On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 12:00:58PM +0000, freebsd-hackers-request@freebsd.org wrote: > From: Justin Hopper > > I know that Pawel @ http://garage.freebsd.pl has a patch for making > private SysV IPC memory spaces for the host system and each jail: > > http://garage.freebsd.pl/privipc.README > > The patch is against 4.x though, and I've never tried it. I would > really like to see something like this implemented for 5.x though. Does > anyone know if there are plans to implement this in the future 5.x > releases? If not, I would be interested in helping anyone that wishes > to try implementing this in 5.3 soon, as we have a lot of clients who > ask for SysV IPC inside of jailed hosting environments. Interesting, I will download that and see if it is of any help in my effort to implementing this in freebsd 5.x. Thanks for the pointer. > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:21:06 +1100 > From: Peter Jeremy > > The sysadmin is likely to need access to: > 1) look at SysV IPC usage across the entire system > 2) clean up after a process has died unexpectedly. > > Whilst it's possible for the sysadmin to enter the relevant jail and > look at what is used in that jail, it's very difficult to get an > overall view of the system in this way - especially if there are lots > of jails. Hmm, there is a trade-off: ease of maintenance vs security. I personally would not want to have the host system to have access to the jail systems by IPC. It seems reasonable to make this a sysctl (which can only be set at boot time). > Robert Watson was also looking into this recently. I had some contact with him a while back, about his jailng project. However, that has been abandonded afaik. How recently have you heard him talk about this? Kind regards, Koen Martens -- K.F.J. Martens, Sonologic, http://www.sonologic.nl/ Networking, embedded systems, unix expertise, artificial intelligence. Public PGP key: http://www.metro.cx/pubkey-gmc.asc Wondering about the funny attachment your mail program can't read? Visit http://www.openpgp.org/ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 20:28:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9305C16A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:28:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from darkness.comp.waw.pl (darkness.comp.waw.pl [195.117.238.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21B743D5D for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:28:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pjd@darkness.comp.waw.pl) Received: by darkness.comp.waw.pl (Postfix, from userid 1009) id 5CCBEACC26; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:27:59 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:27:59 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Jo?o Carlos Mendes =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lu=EDs?= Message-ID: <20041128202759.GF7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> References: <41A4FD60.4050501@jonny.eng.br> <20041125224547.GB7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A6B76F.4020101@jonny.eng.br> <20041126082340.GC7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A78A47.3050309@jonny.eng.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KJKxYQkVikLexIKR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41A78A47.3050309@jonny.eng.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-PGP-Key-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~pjd/pjd.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RC2 i386 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hand on gmirror (Was: Re: gmirror bugs, how many?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:28:02 -0000 --KJKxYQkVikLexIKR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 26, 2004 at 05:55:51PM -0200, Jo?o Carlos Mendes Lu=EDs wrote: +> Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: [...] +> >What error do you get when you try to do this? +>=20 +> Step by step: +>=20 +> - The system has started with a preloaded geom_mirror: [...] +> - There is a running mirror partition: [...] +> - Now let's try to remove (disable was my intention, a bad idea): +>=20 +> sigesc::root jcmendes [524] gmirror unload +> Could not unload module: Device not configured. +> sigesc::root jcmendes [525] gmirror list +> sigesc::root jcmendes [526] gmirror load +> Command 'load' not available. +> sigesc::root jcmendes [527] gmirror list +> sigesc::root jcmendes [528] kldstat +> Id Refs Address Size Name +> 1 13 0xc0400000 3126c4 kernel +> 2 1 0xc0713000 10be8 geom_mirror.ko +> 3 14 0xc0724000 59340 acpi.ko +> 4 1 0xc106a000 6000 linprocfs.ko +> 5 1 0xc1070000 18000 linux.ko +> 6 1 0xc1183000 2000 fade_saver.ko +> sigesc::root jcmendes [529] ls -l /dev/mirror/ +> total 1 +> dr-xr-xr-x 2 root wheel 512 Nov 26 12:19 . +> dr-xr-xr-x 5 root wheel 512 Nov 26 12:19 .. +> sigesc::root jcmendes [530] +>=20 +> - Well, something not good happened. The device did not unload, and do= =20 +> not list any device anymore. Trying to "reload" it has no effect. +> - This used to work before preloading it in loader.conf, but then I=20 +> would not be able to boot a mirror partition. [...] Not working 'unload' command is because of bug in GEOM. Now, to avoid deadlock you get an error (ENXIO), but mirror will be destroyed. The next 'unload' should be ok. To avoid those errors, you should first stop all mirrors (unsing 'stop' command) and then unload kernel module. BTW. There is no 'reload' command. +> Indeed, the -h option is what I wanted and the "bug" is in the=20 +> manual. What would happen if I change the disc ID in this case? Your disk will not be detected as a mirror component, because hardcoded name is different. +> sigesc::root jcmendes [553] disklabel mirror/vol0 +> # /dev/mirror/vol0: +> 8 partitions: +> # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] +> a: 16498864 16 unused 0 0 +> c: 16498880 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part,=20 +> don't edit +> sigesc::root jcmendes [554] +>=20 +> Seems good until now. Except for the offset 16 of the "a" partition.= =20 +> Is this necessary? The man page says that the only sector reserved=20 +> for metadata is the provider's last one. Ehh, "blame" disklabel(8). First 16 sectors are reserved for boot code. --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.FreeBSD.org pjd@FreeBSD.org http://garage.freebsd.pl FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! --KJKxYQkVikLexIKR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBqjTPForvXbEpPzQRAr5JAJ9pHvpI75YI1OK0NYu+IGySx3v28gCgjwNe i3nJiHq74LaKLPpY90n0hbs= =J0Ki -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KJKxYQkVikLexIKR-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 21:46:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2994316A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:46:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hanoi.cronyx.ru (hanoi.cronyx.ru [144.206.181.53]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7364F43D31 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:46:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Received: (from root@localhost) by hanoi.cronyx.ru (8.13.0/vak/3.0) id iASLo8sk038240 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org.checked; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:50:08 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Received: from cronyx.ru (hanoi.cronyx.ru [144.206.181.53]) by hanoi.cronyx.ru (8.13.0/vak/3.0) with ESMTP id iASLnqBU038219; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:49:52 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from rik@cronyx.ru) Message-ID: <41AA4456.8040902@cronyx.ru> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 00:34:14 +0300 From: Roman Kurakin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; ru-RU; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20030426 X-Accept-Language: ru-ru, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: simon.roberts@earthlink.net References: <20041124012148.9540.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20041124012148.9540.qmail@web52701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Network monitoring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 21:46:28 -0000 Simon Roberts: >[...] >Unfortunately, it turns out the hub isn't a hub, it's >a "switching hub" (what's not a switch about this? I >don't get it). Consequently, all I see are arp >packets, bootp packets, and the odd broadcast. I went >to a local store to buy a hub, and guess what, they >sold me another switching hub, so that has to be >returned :( > > I have a switching hub and it means that it is a 10M hub + 100M hub with a switch between 10M and 100M networks. So I guess if you both links work in the same mode you should be able to use it for monitoring. rik >[...] > > From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 22:28:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392D616A4CE; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:28:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1541543D31; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:28:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie) Received: from walton.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 28 Nov 2004 22:28:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:28:05 +0000 From: David Malone To: Alin-Adrian Anton Message-ID: <20041128222805.GA7142@walton.maths.tcd.ie> References: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> <20041128180843.GA58546@pit.databus.com> <41AA192B.10802@spintech.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AA192B.10802@spintech.ro> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: dwmalone@maths.tcd.ie cc: Barney Wolff cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:28:08 -0000 On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 08:30:03PM +0200, Alin-Adrian Anton wrote: > A tcpdump shows that what actually happens is that packets won't reach > me in spite of the fact that his firewall(router)'s tcpdump shows that > he keeps sending them to me. Packets never reach me, but I am still able > to send them, by pressing ENTER on the ssh console. It sounds very like a path MTU discovery problem then. I guess what is happening is that large packets are being lost when sent along this particular network path. Whatever is dropping them should send a message saying "packet too big" and this will cause the machine to send smaller packets in future. However either this message is being dropped or not generated. You can probably test this idea by using "ping -s " or by setting the MTU on the interface on your machine "ifconfig interface mtu ". The real fix is to find out what's happened to the "packet too big" ICMP message. David. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 12:24:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62DD16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:24:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADA7B43D5F for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:24:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iATCOZji098352; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:54:36 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:54:26 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2029964.ylFCYLexP1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -0.4 () PGP_SIGNATURE_2,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) Subject: A hack to rebuild port KLDs during kernel builds X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:24:44 -0000 --nextPart2029964.ylFCYLexP1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary-01=_6TxqB1RF3P1VNLK" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --Boundary-01=_6TxqB1RF3P1VNLK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I have a few "third party" KLDs on my system (nvidia, acpi_ppc, dell, if_nd= is)=20 and it's quite annoying to have to rebuild them each kernel build, or=20 upgrade. I have thought about putting them in /boot/modules but I have had= =20 this crash on my fairly often (esp since I am running -current). If you want to try it.. Apply the diff and make /usr/local/kld and copy port-makefile.txt there as= =20 Makefile. Note that (obviously) the ports need to be tweaked to install the driver=20 source and build infrastructure there, but that's not too hard (to do by ha= nd=20 for now anyway). I have the 4 I mentioned building just fine with 5 minutes= =20 work. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --Boundary-01=_6TxqB1RF3P1VNLK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; name="port-makefile.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="port-makefile.txt" # I live in /usr/local/kld/Makefile SUBDIR!= /usr/bin/find . -maxdepth 1 -type d \! -name . \! -name CVS | /usr/bin/xargs /bin/echo .include --Boundary-01=_6TxqB1RF3P1VNLK Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset="us-ascii"; name="port-kld.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="port-kld.diff" Index: sys/modules/Makefile =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D RCS file: /usr/CVS-Repository/src/sys/modules/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.410 diff -u -p -r1.410 Makefile =2D-- sys/modules/Makefile 16 Nov 2004 17:19:04 -0000 1.410 +++ sys/modules/Makefile 29 Nov 2004 12:21:58 -0000 @@ -166,6 +166,7 @@ SUBDIR=3D ${_3dfx} \ plip \ ${_pmc} \ portalfs \ + ${_ports} \ ppbus \ ppi \ pps \ @@ -260,6 +261,11 @@ _syscons=3D syscons _ufs=3D ufs .endif =20 +PORTSKLD?=3D /usr/local/kld +.if exists(${PORTSKLD}) && !defined(NO_PORTS_KLDS) +_ports=3D ../../../../${PORTSKLD} +.endif + .if !defined(NOCRYPT) || defined(ALL_MODULES) .if exists(${.CURDIR}/../opencrypto) _crypto=3D crypto --Boundary-01=_6TxqB1RF3P1VNLK-- --nextPart2029964.ylFCYLexP1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBqxUA5ZPcIHs/zowRArD+AJ9kYSy6oryK/7vABPm0Kmhn+HxoMACbBvLG VzN4o+FW0dozopO86GfqolY= =suxy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2029964.ylFCYLexP1-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 12:38:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DA316A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:38:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tigra.ip.net.ua (tigra.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9282C43D46 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:38:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ru@ip.net.ua) Received: from localhost (rocky.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.2]) by tigra.ip.net.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iATCci8F076027; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:38:44 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@ip.net.ua) Received: from tigra.ip.net.ua ([82.193.96.10]) by localhost (rocky.ipnet [82.193.96.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 58898-15; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:38:43 +0200 (EET) Received: from heffalump.ip.net.ua (heffalump.ip.net.ua [82.193.96.213]) by tigra.ip.net.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iATCchoV076024 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:38:43 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru@ip.net.ua) Received: (from ru@localhost) by heffalump.ip.net.ua (8.13.1/8.13.1) id iATCcjR0082072; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:38:45 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from ru) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:38:44 +0200 From: Ruslan Ermilov To: "Daniel O'Connor" Message-ID: <20041129123844.GE80748@ip.net.ua> References: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="p8PhoBjPxaQXD0vg" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at ip.net.ua cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A hack to rebuild port KLDs during kernel builds X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:38:53 -0000 --p8PhoBjPxaQXD0vg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 10:54:26PM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: > Hi, > I have a few "third party" KLDs on my system (nvidia, acpi_ppc, dell, if_= ndis)=20 > and it's quite annoying to have to rebuild them each kernel build, or=20 > upgrade. I have thought about putting them in /boot/modules but I have ha= d=20 > this crash on my fairly often (esp since I am running -current). >=20 > If you want to try it.. > Apply the diff and make /usr/local/kld and copy port-makefile.txt there a= s=20 > Makefile. >=20 > Note that (obviously) the ports need to be tweaked to install the driver= =20 > source and build infrastructure there, but that's not too hard (to do by = hand=20 > for now anyway). I have the 4 I mentioned building just fine with 5 minut= es=20 > work. >=20 Any chance you can use the recently added PORTS_MODULES knob to do what you want? : # cvs -R log -N -r1.71 kern.post.mk :=20 : RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sys/conf/kern.post.mk,v : Working file: kern.post.mk : head: 1.73 : branch: : locks: strict : access list: : keyword substitution: kv : total revisions: 74; selected revisions: 1 : description: : ---------------------------- : revision 1.71 : date: 2004/11/11 23:58:14; author: imp; state: Exp; lines: +14 -0 : PORTS_MODULES: a list of ports to build with this kernel. :=20 : # I directly use the targets for building this, but it was suggested : # to use portupgrade. I couldn't fit that into the target model, so I : # punted. : =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D Cheers, --=20 Ruslan Ermilov ru@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD committer --p8PhoBjPxaQXD0vg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBqxhUqRfpzJluFF4RAp0UAJ0SEOXXNshMzqQAWj+BGn+YcX6tJgCcDftE pnicAIyUq+Nud+0O0tKO6CQ= =9Ny0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --p8PhoBjPxaQXD0vg-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 15:26:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E115316A4CE for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:26:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ims-1.prv.ampira.com (ims-1.ampira.com [66.179.231.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CD343D45 for ; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:26:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalp@acm.org) Received: from [202.142.94.194] (helo=[172.16.3.26]) by ims-1.prv.ampira.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CYQsw-0000xJ-5P for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 10:22:46 -0500 Message-ID: <41A9EE02.1010401@acm.org> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 20:55:54 +0530 From: "Kamal R. Prasad" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:31:13 +0000 Subject: transfer control to usb driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 15:26:06 -0000 Hello, I am using Freebsd 5.2. I wrote a driver whose ATTACH()/DETACH() routines are called correctly when the usb device is attached/detached. But when I do an open()/read()/ioctl()/close() -it calls usbopen(), usbread(), usbioctl() etc.. instead of calling mydriverread(), mydriverioctl()... I have copied src from urio.c into my skeletal driver -and it should have worked (assuming the former does). What could be the error? thanks -kamal From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 18:08:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FE516A4CE; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:08:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pit.databus.com (p70-227.acedsl.com [66.114.70.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8A343D45; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:08:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: from pit.databus.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pit.databus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iASI8hwH060436; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:08:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney@pit.databus.com) Received: (from barney@localhost) by pit.databus.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iASI8hCE060435; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:08:43 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from barney) Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 13:08:43 -0500 From: Barney Wolff To: Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan Message-ID: <20041128180843.GA58546@pit.databus.com> References: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.48 on 127.0.0.1 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:31:13 +0000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Robert Watson cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 18:08:45 -0000 On Sun, Nov 28, 2004 at 06:43:47PM +0200, Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan wrote: > > Since the problem occurs only when I connect to the firewall or to a > server behind it, I started to suspect a hardware failure. Could a > network card cause such problems ? > The firewall is running on FreeBSD 5.2.1 with PF+ALTQ, and I can observe > the same behaviour: dmesg locks ssh connection. I have test this with PF > disabled, and the problem still occurs, so I can eliminate PF as a problem. Perhaps an MTU problem, with the ICMP "fragmentation needed but DF set" being blocked by the firewall? It would only show up when the server has enough to send to fill a packet. -- Barney Wolff http://www.databus.com/bwresume.pdf I'm available by contract or FT, in the NYC metro area or via the 'Net. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 28 22:55:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE32E16A4CE; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:55:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail24.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail24.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F83443D60; Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:55:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from syncman@optusnet.com.au) Received: from [192.168.0.7] (c211-30-64-111.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.64.111]) (authenticated bits=0)iASMtnaw012105; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:55:53 +1100 Message-ID: <41AAF26E.8090101@optusnet.com.au> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 09:57:02 +0000 From: Andrew Sinclair User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20041016 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kientzle@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:31:13 +0000 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: bsdtar needs --ignore-zero & --ignore-failed-read X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:55:56 -0000 This follows on from my post to questions@freebsd.org: Date: 16th Nov 2004 21:35 Subject: Re: 5.3-RC2 tar breaks operation with "(null)" I've upgraded to 5.3-RC2 in November and have noticed that bsdtar is now the standard Tape Archiver. While I do appreciate the simplicity of the new interface, it does lack a couple of essential options; in particular, those dealing with failed media. I found this out when attempting to extract an archive from a CD-RW. It had a few bad blocks so the drive just returned blocks of zero where these occured. This was enough to stop the extract operation dead in its tracks. I copied this to disc with dd and ran the extract operation again but it could not read past the corrupt portion. I was able to work around it with gtar and the --ignore-zero and --ignore-failed-read options but I could not find an equivalent solution for bsdtar. My suggestion is to include these options in libarchive and to assert --ignore-zero in bsdtar by default on plain files (i.e. those not on sequential media, not on a character special device file but on a random access file system). In the case of a plain file extracted with tar, the complete contents should be read. I'm not aware of any case where people typically append anything other than TAR dumps to an archive. For other programs (pkg_add), it may be best to leave this turned off. Regards, Andrew Sinclair. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 14:52:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60FE16A4CE; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:52:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from minerva.int.gov.br (nat.int.gov.br [200.20.196.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9344443D39; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:52:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: from [10.0.8.17] (dinf-02 [10.0.8.17]) by minerva.int.gov.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364B9BE56A; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:52:40 -0200 (BRDT) Message-ID: <41AB37B8.7060303@jonny.eng.br> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:52:40 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pawel Jakub Dawidek References: <41A4FD60.4050501@jonny.eng.br> <20041125224547.GB7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A6B76F.4020101@jonny.eng.br> <20041126082340.GC7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A78A47.3050309@jonny.eng.br> <20041128202759.GF7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> In-Reply-To: <20041128202759.GF7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hand on gmirror (Was: Re: gmirror bugs, how many?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 14:52:43 -0000 Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > Not working 'unload' command is because of bug in GEOM. Now, to avoid > deadlock you get an error (ENXIO), but mirror will be destroyed. > The next 'unload' should be ok. To avoid those errors, you should first > stop all mirrors (unsing 'stop' command) and then unload kernel module. I thought unload did a stop before. > BTW. There is no 'reload' command. I know, I meant redoing the load command. > +> Indeed, the -h option is what I wanted and the "bug" is in the > +> manual. What would happen if I change the disc ID in this case? > > Your disk will not be detected as a mirror component, because hardcoded > name is different. Oops. Is there a check for that? For example, let's say that ad0s1 got renamed to ad1s1, and hardcoded a reference to ad0s1. In this case, there is a disk called ad0s1 in the system. Is gmirror smart enough in this case? > +> sigesc::root jcmendes [553] disklabel mirror/vol0 > +> # /dev/mirror/vol0: > +> 8 partitions: > +> # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] > +> a: 16498864 16 unused 0 0 > +> c: 16498880 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part, > +> don't edit > +> sigesc::root jcmendes [554] > +> > +> Seems good until now. Except for the offset 16 of the "a" partition. > +> Is this necessary? The man page says that the only sector reserved > +> for metadata is the provider's last one. > > Ehh, "blame" disklabel(8). First 16 sectors are reserved for boot code. And why this does not happen with ad0s1, etc? From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 15:10:17 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F79816A4D0 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:10:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailhost.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [131.155.140.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3871C43D5C for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:10:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcov@stack.nl) Received: from turtle.stack.nl (turtle.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5010::132]) by mailhost.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9201F08F; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:10:14 +0100 (CET) Received: by turtle.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 816) id DF86A1CDDD; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:10:14 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <20041123153706.GA44745@nowhere> To: Craig Boston Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:10:14 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL118 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <20041129151014.DF86A1CDDD@turtle.stack.nl> From: marcov@stack.nl (Marco van de Voort) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: epilogue Subject: Re: USB developer please look at cdce driver -- (Was: Driver for Yopy PDA) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:10:17 -0000 > On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 11:09:59AM +0100, Marco van de Voort wrote: > > I'm also in need for a cdce device. > > > > I had the below URL running with 5.2 (and some currents from mid-summer), > > but it fails to compile with 5.3 > > > > http://www.gank.org/freebsd/cdce.tar.gz > > When did you pull down that tarball? I updated the driver at that > location a few days ago to make it compile on 5.3 (though I haven't > tested it with a real device yet). > > Thanks to Dave Smith for pointing out to me last week that it wasn't > working. I tested it in RC1 times. Thanks for fixing! From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 15:11:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3657716A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:11:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from darkness.comp.waw.pl (darkness.comp.waw.pl [195.117.238.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B315A43D46 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:11:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pjd@darkness.comp.waw.pl) Received: by darkness.comp.waw.pl (Postfix, from userid 1009) id 979DFACBCB; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:11:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:11:27 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Jo?o Carlos Mendes =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lu=EDs?= Message-ID: <20041129151127.GN7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> References: <41A4FD60.4050501@jonny.eng.br> <20041125224547.GB7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A6B76F.4020101@jonny.eng.br> <20041126082340.GC7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A78A47.3050309@jonny.eng.br> <20041128202759.GF7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41AB37B8.7060303@jonny.eng.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9H9VVCLI5QJPfUsZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AB37B8.7060303@jonny.eng.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-PGP-Key-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~pjd/pjd.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RC2 i386 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hand on gmirror (Was: Re: gmirror bugs, how many?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:11:30 -0000 --9H9VVCLI5QJPfUsZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 12:52:40PM -0200, Jo?o Carlos Mendes Lu=EDs wrote: +> >+> Indeed, the -h option is what I wanted and the "bug" is in the= =20 +> >+> manual. What would happen if I change the disc ID in this case? +> > +> >Your disk will not be detected as a mirror component, because hardcoded +> >name is different. +>=20 +> Oops. Is there a check for that? For example, let's say that ad0s1 got= =20 +> renamed to ad1s1, and hardcoded a reference to ad0s1. In this case,=20 +> there is a disk called ad0s1 in the system. Is gmirror smart enough in= =20 +> this case? In this case ad1s1 will not be connected to the mirror (but don't worry, ad0s1 will not be connected as well). +> >+> sigesc::root jcmendes [553] disklabel mirror/vol0 +> >+> # /dev/mirror/vol0: +> >+> 8 partitions: +> >+> # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] +> >+> a: 16498864 16 unused 0 0 +> >+> c: 16498880 0 unused 0 0 # "raw" part= ,=20 +> >+> don't edit +> >+> sigesc::root jcmendes [554] +> >+>=20 +> >+> Seems good until now. Except for the offset 16 of the "a" partiti= on.=20 +> >+> Is this necessary? The man page says that the only sector reserved= =20 +> >+> for metadata is the provider's last one. +> > +> >Ehh, "blame" disklabel(8). First 16 sectors are reserved for boot code. +>=20 +> And why this does not happen with ad0s1, etc? I think it should, only using sysinstall for this will not allocate those sectors. Anyway, it has nothing to do with gmirror. --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.FreeBSD.org pjd@FreeBSD.org http://garage.freebsd.pl FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! --9H9VVCLI5QJPfUsZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBqzwfForvXbEpPzQRAs7JAKCEXY6fr8cR0DPRTOxPSFbcpsepUwCg0GO7 q8RyX3VaibwJ+8je/KJcyRM= =qucQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9H9VVCLI5QJPfUsZ-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 16:18:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D39016A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:18:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301BA43D2D for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:18:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 99116CE33; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:18:43 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id D37646819; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:18:36 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16811.19420.377372.83269@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:18:36 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid Subject: Integer divide panic in cambio X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 16:18:44 -0000 Is there a divide by zero possibility in cambio? Maybe mishandling of a zero sized disk? I still havn't gotten a crashdump yet as I have more than 4 Gig of memory in the machine, but the panic is an integer divide error with active process cambio. Background: I have a quad opteron server with one 2340 FC-AL Qlogic talking to a large EMC^2 array. On probe of the array, I get the above error. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 18:10:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4177E16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:10:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsdhosting.net (bsdhosting.net [65.39.221.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A926643D67 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:10:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhopper@bsdhosting.net) Received: (qmail 57316 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 18:10:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jhopper@bsdhosting.net@65.39.221.113) by bsdhosting.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 18:10:35 -0000 From: Justin Hopper To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <1101366517.15634.318.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> References: <41A467DB.29212.9F2DEC@localhost> <20041124171358.GG545@numachi.com> <1101366517.15634.318.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1101751837.3366.79.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:10:37 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:10:39 -0000 On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 23:08, Justin Hopper wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 13:31, Charles Sprickman wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Brian Reichert wrote: > > > > > And, although I've not tested it, recent versions of MySQL can > > > outright support a cluster: > > > > > > http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/NDBCluster.html > > > > I'm just curious if there's any other solution that will work on FreeBSD. > > I have about 5 mysql servers (4 slaves, 1 master) and one application in > > particular is not smart enough to try other servers if the configured > > server does not answer. Is there any type of local proxy that can > > intelligently route requests to the "best" server? > > > I too was curious about the MySQL Clustering support and its status on > FreeBSD, since it wasn't as a supported OS. Over the last couple of > hours I was able to set up a cluster consisting of a management process > and data node running in one jail, and a MySQL server and another data > node running in a different jail. Once everything was up and running, > the cluster seemed to be working excellent, data was synchronizing > flawlessly throughout the cluster. Nuking either of the data node > processes did not affect access to the data in the cluster, so failover > seemed to be working as well. > > The only problem that I ran into, and it may be user error on my part, > is that when the cluster is shut down (or all data node processes are > killed), the data contained in the node is lost when the cluster is > brought back online. Perhaps there is some recovery step that is > required before the cluster can be used again. > > If someone else has already tested MySQL's clustering ability with > FreeBSD, then please let us know the results so that I don't recreate > the wheel here. If not, I'll continue seeing how far I can get with it, > as I would definitely like to implement this functionality on several of > the more critical databases that I manage. I'm sure it's taboo to respond to one's own message, but thought I would follow up with some information on the problems I was running into with MySQL Cluster. The first problem, where it appeared that the data in the cluster was lost when the cluster was shut down, turned out to be there are some problems with the MySQL servers, which act as API clients to the cluster, reliably connecting into the cluster. Several times I could not get a MySQL server to connect to the cluster, but found no rhyme or reason for it so far. The cluster seems to be retaining data just fine upon shutdown, when the MySQL servers can actually connect to it to query data that is... The second problem I encountered was while trying to load a table that was 163MB in size that contained around 1 million rows. The NDB cluster would continually report that the table was "full" when trying to import the data. After checking around on mailing lists, I found out that the NDB clustering engine will require around table_size*2*10% RAM to load a table. NDB keeps all of the data in main memory, and has a fair amount of overhead per row. Perhaps somebody else can do a more thorough test of MySQL clustering on FreeBSD to make sure that it is in fact fully stable. It seems like a remarkable system, assuming you have the gigs of RAM it takes to run it with a table of any substantial size... -- Justin Hopper UNIX Systems Engineer BSDHosting.net Hosting Division of Digital Oasys Inc. http://www.bsdhosting.net From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 18:52:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDC116A4CE; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:52:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail25.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6BB543D69; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:52:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c211-30-75-229.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.75.229]) iATIpwMv030230 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:51:59 +1100 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])iATIpwxP061235; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:51:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost)iATIprXg061234; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:51:53 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:51:52 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan Message-ID: <20041129185152.GF804@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 18:52:01 -0000 On Sun, 2004-Nov-28 18:43:47 +0200, Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan wrote: >Since the problem occurs only when I connect to the firewall or to a >server behind it, I started to suspect a hardware failure. Could a >network card cause such problems ? A couple of people have mentioned path-MTU problems. I've also bumped into this problem when playing with VLANs where one end of the VLAN trunk doesn't support long frames - an oversize packet will get ignored by the receiver without any error being returned. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 19:32:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AF4C16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:32:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from expo.ukrweb.net (expo.ukrweb.net [193.125.78.116]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A89443D5D for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:32:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gonzo@ukrweb.net) Received: from gonzo by expo.ukrweb.net with local (Exim 4.34 (FreeBSD)) id 1CYrFo-0008Vs-2R for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:32:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:32:08 +0200 From: Alexander Timoshenko To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041129193208.GA32673@univ.kiev.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/5.2.1-RELEASE-p10 (i386) User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: ntpd question X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:32:25 -0000 Configuration: 5.3-STABLE. I have 2 DHCP interfaces (a bit strange, but it does not matter). Right after dhclient i have the next situation: em0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 options=1b inet 192.168.0.114 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.0.255 ether 00:e0:81:61:1b:fd media: Ethernet autoselect (100baseTX ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 mtu 16384 inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000 rue0: flags=108843 mtu 1500 inet 0.0.0.0 netmask 0xff000000 broadcast 255.255.255.255 ether 00:10:60:e9:33:2c media: Ethernet autoselect (none) status: no carrier Note that rue0 has address 0.0.0.0 Now i'd like to sync time on the box using ntpd -q, and i got --- quote Nov 29 21:08:09 pbxbox ntpd[71729]: ntpd 4.2.0-a Wed Oct 20 14:36:02 EEST 2004 (1) Nov 29 21:08:09 pbxbox ntpd[71729]: no IPv6 interfaces found Nov 29 21:08:09 pbxbox ntpd[71729]: bind() fd 7, family 2, port 123, addr 0.0.0.0, in_classd=0 flags=8 fails: Address already in use Nov 29 21:08:27 pbxbox ntpd[71729]: no reply; clock not set --- /quote I've made some research and found the source of problem. It is in ntp_io.c See lines 522-526. They blacklist addresses of local interfaces. But hack_restrict has this code fo find restrictions list entry(ntp_restrict:327): if (addr == 0) { rlprev = 0; rl = restrictlist; } else { it finds first entry of list (0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0) and marks it as blacklisted. Theis means we restrict all packets. I think the fix will be if ((addr == 0) && (mask == 0)) { Any comments from gurus? PS Sorry for a bit long message, i just want to make the things clear. -- gonzo From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 20:08:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03DC16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:08:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BC643D73 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:08:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 932D9CCEB; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:08:48 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id BFE9F680F; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:08:41 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16811.33225.634293.797974@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 15:08:41 -0500 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid Subject: path to cam_calc_geometry? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:08:52 -0000 I have a situation where the drive probe prints out the correct size information for the drive, but the sectors and blocksize information passed to cam_calc_geometry is bogus. This is on an amd64 system with the isp driver. What is the path between these? Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 20:20:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3ACA16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:20:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF63143D45 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:20:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 4129 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 20:12:28 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Nov 2004 20:12:28 -0000 Message-ID: <41AB84A6.50309@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:20:54 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy References: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> <20041129185152.GF804@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20041129185152.GF804@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:20:58 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Sun, 2004-Nov-28 18:43:47 +0200, Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan wrote: > >>Since the problem occurs only when I connect to the firewall or to a >>server behind it, I started to suspect a hardware failure. Could a >>network card cause such problems ? > > A couple of people have mentioned path-MTU problems. I've also bumped > into this problem when playing with VLANs where one end of the VLAN > trunk doesn't support long frames - an oversize packet will get ignored > by the receiver without any error being returned. If the oversized ethernet frame makes it to the FreeBSD box it will drop the frame in the ethernet hardware or in ether_input() with a message. If you don't get a message on the console you have to look at the driver statistics if it got any oversized frames. If the switches along the patch can't handle the oversized frame they will simply drop it. No way to work around that. -- Andre From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 20:24:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDEE16A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:24:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5FA43D2D for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:24:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 4165 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 20:16:15 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 29 Nov 2004 20:16:15 -0000 Message-ID: <41AB8588.6020901@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:24:40 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Justin Hopper References: <41A467DB.29212.9F2DEC@localhost> <20041124171358.GG545@numachi.com> <1101366517.15634.318.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> <1101751837.3366.79.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> In-Reply-To: <1101751837.3366.79.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: HD Mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:24:44 -0000 Justin Hopper wrote: > On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 23:08, Justin Hopper wrote: > >>On Wed, 2004-11-24 at 13:31, Charles Sprickman wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 24 Nov 2004, Brian Reichert wrote: >>> >>> >>>>And, although I've not tested it, recent versions of MySQL can >>>>outright support a cluster: >>>> >>>> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/NDBCluster.html >>> >>>I'm just curious if there's any other solution that will work on FreeBSD. >>>I have about 5 mysql servers (4 slaves, 1 master) and one application in >>>particular is not smart enough to try other servers if the configured >>>server does not answer. Is there any type of local proxy that can >>>intelligently route requests to the "best" server? >>> >> >>I too was curious about the MySQL Clustering support and its status on >>FreeBSD, since it wasn't as a supported OS. Over the last couple of >>hours I was able to set up a cluster consisting of a management process >>and data node running in one jail, and a MySQL server and another data >>node running in a different jail. Once everything was up and running, >>the cluster seemed to be working excellent, data was synchronizing >>flawlessly throughout the cluster. Nuking either of the data node >>processes did not affect access to the data in the cluster, so failover >>seemed to be working as well. >> >>The only problem that I ran into, and it may be user error on my part, >>is that when the cluster is shut down (or all data node processes are >>killed), the data contained in the node is lost when the cluster is >>brought back online. Perhaps there is some recovery step that is >>required before the cluster can be used again. >> >>If someone else has already tested MySQL's clustering ability with >>FreeBSD, then please let us know the results so that I don't recreate >>the wheel here. If not, I'll continue seeing how far I can get with it, >>as I would definitely like to implement this functionality on several of >>the more critical databases that I manage. > > > I'm sure it's taboo to respond to one's own message, but thought I would > follow up with some information on the problems I was running into with > MySQL Cluster. > > The first problem, where it appeared that the data in the cluster was > lost when the cluster was shut down, turned out to be there are some > problems with the MySQL servers, which act as API clients to the > cluster, reliably connecting into the cluster. Several times I could > not get a MySQL server to connect to the cluster, but found no rhyme or > reason for it so far. The cluster seems to be retaining data just fine > upon shutdown, when the MySQL servers can actually connect to it to > query data that is... If you have many TCP connections to one target it may happen that you get the same source port on the originator again within the TIME_WAIT timeout. And if the ISN wrapped in the meantime the new connection will 'hang'. > The second problem I encountered was while trying to load a table that > was 163MB in size that contained around 1 million rows. The NDB cluster > would continually report that the table was "full" when trying to import > the data. After checking around on mailing lists, I found out that the > NDB clustering engine will require around table_size*2*10% RAM to load a > table. NDB keeps all of the data in main memory, and has a fair amount > of overhead per row. > > Perhaps somebody else can do a more thorough test of MySQL clustering on > FreeBSD to make sure that it is in fact fully stable. It seems like a > remarkable system, assuming you have the gigs of RAM it takes to run it > with a table of any substantial size... But that is an application problem, not FreeBSD's fault. -- Andre From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 21:21:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5038816A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:21:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6602443D49 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:21:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dr.clau@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so445133rnf for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:x-enigmail-supports:content-type; b=EeYffCaRgMmQHOAeBJ1SYkbjCypwLKdw6+LfPfMOkXigTlYyaqi32mxA5CAnnW7s9mf7N9CK76tKsEx/yKzZK1VsoOzjF30qBj7KvnNgShtGS3eip6+X5hKngKsiibB4BBcwCXARdd0CAw+YQdpiPR8lFix6Qug3I5XlXR3FYVw= Received: by 10.38.77.63 with SMTP id z63mr117320rna; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?82.79.29.15? ([82.79.29.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 70sm11174rnc; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41AB926F.30003@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:19:43 +0200 From: Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041125) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Oppermann References: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> <20041129185152.GF804@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <41AB84A6.50309@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AB84A6.50309@freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig07BB196C97858DA16AF839F1" cc: Peter Jeremy cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:21:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig07BB196C97858DA16AF839F1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andre Oppermann wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > >> On Sun, 2004-Nov-28 18:43:47 +0200, Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan wrote: >> >>> Since the problem occurs only when I connect to the firewall or to a >>> server behind it, I started to suspect a hardware failure. Could a >>> network card cause such problems ? >> >> >> A couple of people have mentioned path-MTU problems. I've also bumped >> into this problem when playing with VLANs where one end of the VLAN >> trunk doesn't support long frames - an oversize packet will get ignored >> by the receiver without any error being returned. > > > If the oversized ethernet frame makes it to the FreeBSD box it will drop > the frame in the ethernet hardware or in ether_input() with a message. If > you don't get a message on the console you have to look at the driver > statistics if it got any oversized frames. > > If the switches along the patch can't handle the oversized frame they will > simply drop it. No way to work around that. > When the MTU is set to a value below 1500, for example 1450, I get this messages: Nov 29 23:02:34 firewall kernel: rl0: discard oversize frame (ether type 800 flags 3 len 1466 > max 1464) Nov 29 23:03:00 firewall kernel: rl0: discard oversize frame (ether type 800 flags 3 len 1514 > max 1464) ... and much many of them. With MTU 1500 I didn't notice any such message in logs. So, can I safely assume that the problem occurs because somewhere packets are simply dropped, without any warning ? -- Claudiu Dragalina-Paraipan dr.clau@gmail.com --------------enig07BB196C97858DA16AF839F1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBq5Jvm0FWxb+swkQRAuCdAJ9rm+kLUMtczXxU6u9BJ560p13YQgCfcmyO M7Vj5ns5mS/Njs5t5uZuYx8= =WLTQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig07BB196C97858DA16AF839F1-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 21:21:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF9C116A4D6 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:21:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.207]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DB843D49 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:21:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dr.clau@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so445145rnf for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:28 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:x-enigmail-supports:content-type; b=ezTbVQzOgkW6a+RqvQsjNsIVjtr+O+zuavpLkDPqNfFCaHwKpbE6tDXwJs2vFygmem0bxHhXVaD0xoykU1uMMzfYMXd7hQdgDU1D815PUrHz6FsWLNM4H5YxBDdNg0Bg7GNbw9wwnBzdhfhKVJ/bXVsU1wNwK3vD8M079cAUNcg= Received: by 10.39.3.56 with SMTP id f56mr115907rni; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?82.79.29.15? ([82.79.29.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 64sm9133rna; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:21:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41AB9272.4060107@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:19:46 +0200 From: Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041125) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> <20041129185152.GF804@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> In-Reply-To: <20041129185152.GF804@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigF3663AF9564B971612035DD7" Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:21:31 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF3663AF9564B971612035DD7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Sun, 2004-Nov-28 18:43:47 +0200, Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan wrote: > >>Since the problem occurs only when I connect to the firewall or to a >>server behind it, I started to suspect a hardware failure. Could a >>network card cause such problems ? > > > A couple of people have mentioned path-MTU problems. I've also bumped > into this problem when playing with VLANs where one end of the VLAN > trunk doesn't support long frames - an oversize packet will get ignored > by the receiver without any error being returned. > It seems that packets of size more then 1478 are dropped somewhere, but not on the FreeBSD Firewall. The problem seems to be that it never receives a ICMP "fragmentation needed but DF set". Unfortunately I have control only over the firewall and what's behind it. Next after the firewall (towards internet) there are a switch and a Cisco router. I asked about the settings of this two, and it seems that the switch is used for VLANs, and the Cisco for making a tunnel over fiber channel with the next hop. I have too few information about this at the moment, but I am almost certain that the problems are occuring because of the Cisco router. I did a traceroute from the firewall to outside, and big packets always stop on Cisco router. A traceroute from outside to the firewall always stops at the hop exactly before the cisco router I am talking about, which I suppose is the other end of this tunnel. -- Claudiu Dragalina-Paraipan dr.clau@gmail.com --------------enigF3663AF9564B971612035DD7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBq5Jzm0FWxb+swkQRAm97AJwLSNpscpuZIiMapKCGbLBi8HAgwQCffMiB TfQEovXNaSr08cuzkt9EbA0= =eUHm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF3663AF9564B971612035DD7-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 21:27:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E45116A4CE; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:27:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from minerva.int.gov.br (nat.int.gov.br [200.20.196.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889A343D49; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:27:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jonny@jonny.eng.br) Received: from [10.0.8.17] (dinf-02 [10.0.8.17]) by minerva.int.gov.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B39BE565; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:27:51 -0200 (BRDT) Message-ID: <41AB9457.6020601@jonny.eng.br> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 19:27:51 -0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jo=E3o_Carlos_Mendes_Lu=EDs?= User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pawel Jakub Dawidek References: <41A4FD60.4050501@jonny.eng.br> <20041125224547.GB7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A6B76F.4020101@jonny.eng.br> <20041126082340.GC7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A78A47.3050309@jonny.eng.br> <20041128202759.GF7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41AB37B8.7060303@jonny.eng.br> In-Reply-To: <41AB37B8.7060303@jonny.eng.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hand on gmirror (Was: Re: gmirror bugs, how many?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:27:54 -0000 I finally got the system to boot with gmirror fully enabled. But I got this during boot: GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0 created (id=3592859320). GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad0s1 detected. GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad1s1 detected. GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad1s1 activated. GEOM_MIRROR: Cannot update metadata on disk ad0s1 (error=1). GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad0s1 activated. GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider mirror/vol0 launched. GEOM_MIRROR: Cannot update metadata on disk ad0s1 (error=1). GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad0s1 disconnected. Both slices have been created with a cylinder less than the maximum, to avoid having to use hardcoded names. The last messages before the shutdown -r were: Nov 29 15:03:56 sigesc kernel: GEOM: Configure ad0s1a, start 0 length 536870912 end 536870911 Nov 29 15:03:56 sigesc kernel: GEOM: Configure ad0s1b, start 536870912 length 536870912 end 1073741823 Nov 29 15:03:56 sigesc kernel: GEOM: Configure ad0s1c, start 0 length 8447394304 end 8447394303 Nov 29 15:03:56 sigesc kernel: GEOM: Configure ad0s1d, start 1073741824 length 7373652480 end 8447394303 Nov 29 15:04:16 sigesc kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad0s1 detected. Nov 29 15:04:16 sigesc kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: rebuilding provider ad0s1. Nov 29 15:35:19 sigesc kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: rebuilding provider ad0s1 finished. Nov 29 15:35:19 sigesc kernel: GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad0s1 activated. Nov 29 15:35:19 sigesc kernel: GEOM: Configure ad0s1a, start 0 length 536870912 end 536870911 Nov 29 15:35:19 sigesc kernel: GEOM: Configure ad0s1b, start 536870912 length 536870912 end 1073741823 Nov 29 15:35:19 sigesc kernel: GEOM: Configure ad0s1c, start 0 length 8447394304 end 8447394303 Nov 29 15:35:19 sigesc kernel: GEOM: Configure ad0s1d, start 1073741824 length 7373652480 end 8447394303 I thought the syncronization was completed without errors. What have I missed? From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 21:56:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D318316A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:56:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bsdhosting.net (bsdhosting.net [65.39.221.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 572E143D6A for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:56:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhopper@bsdhosting.net) Received: (qmail 89543 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2004 21:56:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.2?) (jhopper@bsdhosting.net@65.39.221.113) by bsdhosting.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2004 21:56:22 -0000 From: Justin Hopper To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <41AB8588.6020901@freebsd.org> References: <41A467DB.29212.9F2DEC@localhost> <20041124171358.GG545@numachi.com> <1101366517.15634.318.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> <1101751837.3366.79.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> <41AB8588.6020901@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1101765378.3366.140.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 13:56:18 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: HD Mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:56:25 -0000 On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 12:24, Andre Oppermann wrote: ...(snip)... > > Perhaps somebody else can do a more thorough test of MySQL clustering on > > FreeBSD to make sure that it is in fact fully stable. It seems like a > > remarkable system, assuming you have the gigs of RAM it takes to run it > > with a table of any substantial size... > > But that is an application problem, not FreeBSD's fault. I certainly did not mean to imply that this was a problem with FreeBSD, nor even a problem in MySQL Cluster, I simply meant that the RAM requirements for MySQL Cluster are higher than one might guess. -- Justin Hopper UNIX Systems Engineer BSDHosting.net Hosting Division of Digital Oasys Inc. http://www.bsdhosting.net From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 22:59:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BB416A4CE for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:59:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from darkness.comp.waw.pl (darkness.comp.waw.pl [195.117.238.136]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F01343D31 for ; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:59:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pjd@darkness.comp.waw.pl) Received: by darkness.comp.waw.pl (Postfix, from userid 1009) id B88ACACBCB; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:59:25 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:59:25 +0100 From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek To: Jo?o Carlos Mendes =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lu=EDs?= Message-ID: <20041129225925.GT7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> References: <41A4FD60.4050501@jonny.eng.br> <20041125224547.GB7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A6B76F.4020101@jonny.eng.br> <20041126082340.GC7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41A78A47.3050309@jonny.eng.br> <20041128202759.GF7232@darkness.comp.waw.pl> <41AB37B8.7060303@jonny.eng.br> <41AB9457.6020601@jonny.eng.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m9CJymqw5zZ14Dg6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AB9457.6020601@jonny.eng.br> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i X-PGP-Key-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~pjd/pjd.asc X-OS: FreeBSD 5.2.1-RC2 i386 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Hand on gmirror (Was: Re: gmirror bugs, how many?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:59:28 -0000 --m9CJymqw5zZ14Dg6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 07:27:51PM -0200, Jo?o Carlos Mendes Lu=EDs wrote: +> I finally got the system to boot with gmirror fully enabled. But I got= =20 +> this during boot: +>=20 +>=20 +> GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0 created (id=3D3592859320). +> GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad0s1 detected. +> GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad1s1 detected. +> GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad1s1 activated. +> GEOM_MIRROR: Cannot update metadata on disk ad0s1 (error=3D1). +> GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad0s1 activated. +> GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider mirror/vol0 launched. +> GEOM_MIRROR: Cannot update metadata on disk ad0s1 (error=3D1). +> GEOM_MIRROR: Device vol0: provider ad0s1 disconnected. This is known race, which is already fixed in HEAD. I want to commit it soon. --=20 Pawel Jakub Dawidek http://www.FreeBSD.org pjd@FreeBSD.org http://garage.freebsd.pl FreeBSD committer Am I Evil? Yes, I Am! --m9CJymqw5zZ14Dg6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBq6nNForvXbEpPzQRAmFlAJ44jiVpVzssNr/LH/5OdRu2HTfpvACfZU2V n/FwknMy5ZAedgK/8FNJsf0= =7siO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m9CJymqw5zZ14Dg6-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 29 23:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E96316A4CE; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:15:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DB243D31; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:15:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iATNFZ2V013387; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:45:35 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: Ruslan Ermilov Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:45:34 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20041129123844.GE80748@ip.net.ua> In-Reply-To: <20041129123844.GE80748@ip.net.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart4791322.PHZVzkATib"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200411300945.34635.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 () IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A hack to rebuild port KLDs during kernel builds X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:15:39 -0000 --nextPart4791322.PHZVzkATib Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:08, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > > Note that (obviously) the ports need to be tweaked to install the driver > > source and build infrastructure there, but that's not too hard (to do by > > hand for now anyway). I have the 4 I mentioned building just fine with 5 > > minutes work. > > Any chance you can use the recently added PORTS_MODULES knob to do what > you want? Hmm.. I don't really see how that can work actually.. If you already have the port installed it will barf unless you set=20 =46ORCE_PKG_REGISTER. Also, it would force an upgrade of the port which isn't necessarily a good= =20 thing (eg I can't use the latest nvidia port because the 6113 driver blows = up=20 on my laptop). =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart4791322.PHZVzkATib Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBq62W5ZPcIHs/zowRAr/sAJ91CThfeB1rDD++/GxZM7xB1rns9QCfQIgU 5yhi9tU6cBQ2Ty3gO01t9S4= =BAzF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart4791322.PHZVzkATib-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 01:05:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3365116A4CE; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:05:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F361743D3F; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:05:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 6572CC747; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:05:47 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 0FFE66819; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:05:40 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 20:05:39 -0500 To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: freebsd-list@dclg.ca X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid Subject: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 01:05:48 -0000 After a bunch of frustrating debugging, I've tenatively come to the conclusion that the isp(4) driver is not 64 bit safe --- at the very least insofar as the amd64 platform is concerned. The test setup was a quad opteron 248 system connected via two isp 2340 cards to switches which interconnect to an EMC^2 disk array. I've made a couple of interim posts on this subject. The message from scsi_da.c indicates the correct probe is received from the disk. In the test, it was a 131 gig disk of 512 byte sectors. However, by the time we get to cam_calc_geometry() in cam.c, the structure is corrupt --- containing bad values for both volume_size and sector_size. The data is bogus enough at this point, that it can't be repaired ... and I gave up on the "quick fix" effort. Origionally, it manifested as a divide by zero error (the block size was so huge, it brought the denominator in the first few lines to zero). But both the block_size and the volume_size are bogus making efforts by geom to taste the last sector fail. The isp driver is quite complex. I havn't encountered much of the SCSI or CAM stack before. It would seem a brief overview of where things go from the momment when scsi_da prints out the correct size to the point at which cam_calc_geometry() receives corrupt data would help greately. Our hardware vendor is going to try to obtain test hardware for the LSI logic HBA and an Adaptec HBA --- so we can test them. The test machine remains somewhat available, but it looks like the production machines will be linux (unless I can solve this problem this week). Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 02:39:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38C416A4CE; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:39:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from skippyii.compar.com (skippyii.compar.com [216.208.38.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BF4943D55; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:39:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from hermes (CPE00062566c7bb-CM000039c69a66.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.193.82.185])iAU2l4K2022765; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:47:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <003801c4d685$81192640$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matt Emmerton" To: , , References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:37:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 02:39:50 -0000 Dave, > After a bunch of frustrating debugging, I've tenatively come to the > conclusion that the isp(4) driver is not 64 bit safe --- at the very > least insofar as the amd64 platform is concerned. > > The test setup was a quad opteron 248 system connected via two isp > 2340 cards to switches which interconnect to an EMC^2 disk array. > I've made a couple of interim posts on this subject. > > The message from scsi_da.c indicates the correct probe is received > from the disk. In the test, it was a 131 gig disk of 512 byte > sectors. However, by the time we get to cam_calc_geometry() in > cam.c, the structure is corrupt --- containing bad values for both > volume_size and sector_size. Here's what I found by walking through the code. Mind you, given that I'm no expert on this code either, I may be missing things. 1) cam/scsi/scsi_da.c::dadone() function DA_CCB_PROBE2 probes the device for capacity information. 2) cam/scsi/scsi_da.c::dadone() function DA_CCB_PROBE2 then calls dasetgeom(). The parameters to dasetgeom() are obtained from 1), are updated in softc->params and later the ccg. All variables involved in these assignments have matching types, so there should be no truncation. 3) dasetgeom() then calls xpt_action() [ which I'm assuming is redirected to dev/isp/isp_freebsd.c::isp_action() ] with a function id of XPT_CALC_GEOMETRY, which ultimately calls cam_calc_geometry(). 4) cam/scsi/scsi_da.c::dadone() function DA_CCB_PROBE2 then prints out a probe of the device size. You indicate that this probe is done properly. >From what I see, cam_calc_geometry() is called *before* the device probe prints out the device size, so I'm unsure of how what you are describing can occur. Have you built & run a kernel compiled with "options CAMDEBUG" ? This may provide more insight into where things are going wrong. -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 03:03:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D48D016A4CE; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:03:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C6A143D4C; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:03:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 6AC0BCE6B; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:03:51 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id C8056681A; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:03:43 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16811.58127.759026.560570@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:03:43 -0500 To: "Matt Emmerton" In-Reply-To: <003801c4d685$81192640$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <003801c4d685$81192640$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 03:03:53 -0000 >>>>> "Matt" == Matt Emmerton writes: Matt> You indicate that this probe is done properly. >> From what I see, cam_calc_geometry() is called *before* the device >> probe Matt> prints out the device size, so I'm unsure of how what you are Matt> describing can occur. Well... cam_calc_geometry seems to get called quite a bit. Almost everytime you touch the disk, in fact. fsck'ing a partition calls it, for instance. Console access is personally expensive (much driving, for instance), but from memory the debugging I put in cam_calc_geometry() would print before the correct output from dadone(). Your description reminds me of this --- but it's no less vexing that the output from dadone() has the correct sector and volume size and the ccg in cam_calc_geometry() has bogus data. I don't know if it's significant, but the correct numbers were: 279353684 sectors of 512 bytes The ccg structure comes up with: 3737169375 sectors of 3737169374 bytes Not entirely sensible. Interesting that they're close values. However, with different things on the stack, the values changed. Matt> Have you built & run a kernel compiled with "options CAMDEBUG" ? Matt> This may provide more insight into where things are going wrong. I put CAMDEBUG in the kernel, but it didn't seem to change the output that much. It seemed to dump the control block showing when geom tried to access the high block number --- and failed, but nothing else particularly useful. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 04:05:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9276216A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:05:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4C943D3F for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:05:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAU44skB041822; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:04:58 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:05:54 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20041129.210554.32736622.imp@bsdimp.com> To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> References: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A hack to rebuild port KLDs during kernel builds X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:05:43 -0000 Can't you just add modules override with absolute path name? Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 04:26:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FC416A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:26:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CF443D64 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:26:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAU4QPnb026485; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:56:33 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "M. Warner Losh" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:55:40 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20041129.210554.32736622.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20041129.210554.32736622.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1602455.ifmp5Zat9z"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200411301456.19900.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 () IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_02_03,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A hack to rebuild port KLDs during kernel builds X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:26:45 -0000 --nextPart1602455.ifmp5Zat9z Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:35, M. Warner Losh wrote: > Can't you just add modules override with absolute path name? I don't think so, because.. On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:08, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: > Any chance you can use the recently added PORTS_MODULES knob to do what > you want? Hmm.. I don't really see how that can work actually.. If you already have the port installed it will barf unless you set=20 =46ORCE_PKG_REGISTER. Also, it would force an upgrade of the port which isn't necessarily a good= =20 thing (eg I can't use the latest nvidia port because the 6113 driver blows = up=20 on my laptop). =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart1602455.ifmp5Zat9z Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBq/Zr5ZPcIHs/zowRAqGQAKClZYV9MGRShDkdbvaU05o2i0J4KwCfTk5i ruAZV6eBEbfXOYNUWXTI3gE= =Dl00 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1602455.ifmp5Zat9z-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 05:20:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E120416A4D3 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:20:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kientzle.com (h-66-166-149-50.snvacaid.covad.net [66.166.149.50]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE5CC43D49 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:20:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kientzle@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.org (p54.kientzle.com [66.166.149.54]) by kientzle.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAU5KR90092099; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:20:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kientzle@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AC0316.1090201@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:20:22 -0800 From: Tim Kientzle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20031006 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Sinclair References: <41AAF26E.8090101@optusnet.com.au> In-Reply-To: <41AAF26E.8090101@optusnet.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: bsdtar needs --ignore-zero & --ignore-failed-read X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:20:30 -0000 Andrew Sinclair wrote: > > I found this out when attempting to extract an archive from a CD-RW. > It had a few bad blocks ... I was able to work > around it with gtar and the --ignore-zero and --ignore-failed-read > options but I could not find an equivalent solution for bsdtar. > > My suggestion is to include these options in libarchive and to assert > --ignore-zero in bsdtar by default on plain files ... Thanks for the suggestion; I'll see about adding these. I am reluctant to assert these by default, however. Not because I expect anyone to deliberately append anything, but because I expect there to be tar archivers that append garbage to fill out the final block. Tim From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 05:30:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF7616A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:30:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97D4843D49 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:30:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAU5RQie042759; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:27:26 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 22:28:25 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20041129.222825.16682069.imp@bsdimp.com> To: doconnor@gsoft.com.au From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <200411301456.19900.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> References: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20041129.210554.32736622.imp@bsdimp.com> <200411301456.19900.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A hack to rebuild port KLDs during kernel builds X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:30:01 -0000 In message: <200411301456.19900.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> "Daniel O'Connor" writes: : On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:35, M. Warner Losh wrote: : > Can't you just add modules override with absolute path name? : : I don't think so, because.. MODULES_OVERRIDE is different. It can take a list of paths to upgrade. : On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:08, Ruslan Ermilov wrote: : > Any chance you can use the recently added PORTS_MODULES knob to do what : > you want? : : Hmm.. I don't really see how that can work actually.. : If you already have the port installed it will barf unless you set : FORCE_PKG_REGISTER. That's just a minor bug I've not yet fixed. : Also, it would force an upgrade of the port which isn't necessarily : a good thing (eg I can't use the latest nvidia port because the 6113 : driver blows up on my laptop). That's up to the user to manage :-( Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 05:51:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9F016A514 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:51:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA3F43D1F for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:51:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iAU5pXJX027635; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:21:36 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: "M. Warner Losh" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:21:30 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 References: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200411301456.19900.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20041129.222825.16682069.imp@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <20041129.222825.16682069.imp@bsdimp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2545576.J7RZdrtjvK"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200411301621.31973.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 () IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A hack to rebuild port KLDs during kernel builds X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:51:48 -0000 --nextPart2545576.J7RZdrtjvK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:58, M. Warner Losh wrote: > In message: <200411301456.19900.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> > > "Daniel O'Connor" writes: > : On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:35, M. Warner Losh wrote: > : > Can't you just add modules override with absolute path name? > : > : I don't think so, because.. > > MODULES_OVERRIDE is different. It can take a list of paths to > upgrade. Ahh I see. Hmm, that could work but I think it fits in better with the kern= el=20 build if you can treat port installed modules just like their base=20 counterparts. > : If you already have the port installed it will barf unless you set > : FORCE_PKG_REGISTER. > > That's just a minor bug I've not yet fixed. minor? :) > : Also, it would force an upgrade of the port which isn't necessarily > : a good thing (eg I can't use the latest nvidia port because the 6113 > : driver blows up on my laptop). > > That's up to the user to manage :-( How though? I think it makes much more sense to install the source code you= =20 know works so rebuilding your kernel doesn't need distfiles (which might=20 require net access) or potentially forcing a port to be upgraded from=20 something you know works. =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart2545576.J7RZdrtjvK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBrApj5ZPcIHs/zowRAnhFAJ9tY13ZlC0UokB3cKTR9BIVqYk/GACfVfBN i84NgnQnJklpTklnBJFWZwY= =LRqm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2545576.J7RZdrtjvK-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 05:56:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B28016A4CE; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:56:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C99D43D1F; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:56:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id iAU5uBr9074047; Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:56:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:56:11 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: David Gilbert Message-ID: <20041130055611.GN5518@dan.emsphone.com> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <003801c4d685$81192640$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <16811.58127.759026.560570@canoe.dclg.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16811.58127.759026.560570@canoe.dclg.ca> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 05:56:13 -0000 In the last episode (Nov 29), David Gilbert said: > Well... cam_calc_geometry seems to get called quite a bit. Almost > everytime you touch the disk, in fact. fsck'ing a partition calls > it, for instance. > > Console access is personally expensive (much driving, for instance), > but from memory the debugging I put in cam_calc_geometry() would > print before the correct output from dadone(). Your description > reminds me of this --- but it's no less vexing that the output from > dadone() has the correct sector and volume size and the ccg in > cam_calc_geometry() has bogus data. > > I don't know if it's significant, but the correct numbers were: > > 279353684 sectors of 512 bytes > > The ccg structure comes up with: > > 3737169375 sectors of 3737169374 bytes > > Not entirely sensible. Interesting that they're close values. > However, with different things on the stack, the values changed. Even more interesting is their hex values: DEC0ADDF and DEC0ADDE, aka 0xDEADC0DE. Something's reading memory after the kernel freed it. -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 13:10:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB57716A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:10:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk (84-72-27-39.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.72.27.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCBAB43D1D for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:10:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: from Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK (ipv6.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk [2002:5448:1b27:0:220:afff:fed4:dbcb]) (8.11.6/8.11.6-SPAMMERS-DeLiGHt) with ESMTP id iAUDAJR01187 verified NO) for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:10:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: (from beer@localhost) by Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK (8.11.6/FNORD) id iAUDAJl01186; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:10:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:10:19 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200411301310.iAUDAJl01186@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: beer set sender to bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk using -f X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: Processed from queue /tmp X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: Processed by beer with -C /etc/mail/sendmail.cf-LOCAL From: Barry Bouwsma To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <200410201612.i9KGClg05229@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:22:24 +0000 Subject: Re: USB OHCI problems... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:10:23 -0000 Just to add to what I wrote at the end of October: > Anyway, under FreeBSD-4 with kernel modules built 10.August > from source that I believe is based on FreeBSD-5-current of > that era, I'm seeing corruption of data read from umass > devices attached to an OHCI controller card. Use of a UHCI > controller card instead seems mostly free of problems. In addition, I've connected a uaudio sound device, which works to play audio for between 10 and 13 minutes, before bombing out with an error in ohci_device_isoc_enter(), tripping over one of the two /* Allocate next ITD */ nsitd = ohci_alloc_sitd(sc); if (nsitd == NULL) { /* XXX what now? */ printf("%s: isoc TD alloc failed\n", USBDEVNAME(sc->sc_bus.bdev)); return; } Connecting this uaudio device to a UHCI card results in problem-free playback for at least a couple hours. And, I'm rather sure that I was able to play through this OHCI controller under NetBSD for an extended time. This device does not attach to EHCI. For this, I used kernel modules on my FreeBSD 4.x box, recently built from as much of the -current USB code as I could get to compile with minimal hackery, but this time without merging in the work in P4 from Ian Dowse, or the patchsets based on these. Source code date at least a couple weeks to a month old. I'll try updating to the most recent code I can lay me grubby mitts on (stop with all these updates while I'm offline, eh) as well as the above patchsets, to see if things are changed in the OHCI world. Also, I'm about to the point of readiness to acquire another card with OHCI to see if any chipset-specific problems could be tickling my problems -- though NetBSD appears to work mostly fine. This OHCI chipset is on a combi-card in a machine with a severe lack of PCI slots, while my UHCI card is devoted to USB and fit better into a machine with a lack (but not quite so severe) of PCI slots. Perhaps there's a PCI-PCI bridge on the card in the way, but there's a firewire controller on the card sharing the interrupt with OHCI, and I have no problems with the firewire. thanks barry bouwsma From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 13:57:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D563E16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:57:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899F643D1F for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:57:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUE26Mr012596 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:02:06 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 11:00:36 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41AC52D4.5018.BB5BBB@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Subject: MYSQL connection problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:57:11 -0000 Hi Guys; As always, if this list is not the right place, please forgive me. I have two machines: 1) Free 4.10 / mysql (5.0.0) listening on port 5006 2) Free 5.3 Release / mysql (5.0.0) listening on port 5007 On both, no firewalls, blocks or anything of that sort. Both machines have= the same configuration. Both mysql were compiled from the ports with the same options. The only di= fference between the two machines is the Free version and port mysql is listening on. Here are the outputs of the following commands on machine 1): >telnet localhost 5006 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 9 5.0.0-alpha}l'zRjBG,!js%Zxl6f"p3 (after a few seconds...) Connection closed by foreign host. --------------------------------------------- >mysql -u root -P 5006 -h 127.0.0.1 -p Enter password: Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. Your MySQL connection id is 8 to server version: 5.0.0-alpha Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. mysql> ********************** Now, here are the outputs of the same commands on machine 2): ]>telnet localhost 5007 Trying ::1... Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. (no wait for this line to show!) >mysql -u root -P 5007 -h 127.0.0.1 -p Enter password: ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server during query ************** I can only connect on machine 2) if I use a mysql.sock file. Any attempt t= o connect via TCP/IP doesn=B4t work !! command line client, java connectors (all possible versi= ons) none work. I=B4ve been into every single link google returned to me on the ERROR 2013= above for 2 days now and none of them had any info to get this working. Believe me, I tried every h= int of suggestion there was. I really hope someone here has any clues to what is going on. thanks, -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 15:00:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A215C16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:00:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ims-2.prv.ampira.com (ims-2.ampira.com [66.179.231.27]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA02D43D45 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:00:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalp@kprasad.org) Received: from [202.142.94.194] (helo=kprasad.org) by ims-2.prv.ampira.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CZ9Ut-00008b-SF for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:00:57 -0500 Message-ID: <41AC8B1E.1000302@kprasad.org> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:30:46 +0530 From: "Kamal R. Prasad" Organization: Prasad Software Consultants Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <200411292254.32943.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <200411301456.19900.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20041129.222825.16682069.imp@bsdimp.com> <200411301621.31973.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200411301621.31973.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: need help in rebuilding to Freebsd 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: kamalp@acm.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:00:59 -0000 Hello, I am not aware whether this is the right mailing list -so pl. advise where to send in my request if it isn't. I am running Freebsd 5.2.1 I have sources from CD on my /usr/src -and want to upgrade to Stable 5.3. I downloaded CVSup and the supfile to get RELENG_5_3. I found that it does not download files in the attic [and there is no attic directory at my end]. The 'make buildworld' fails without the file /usr/src/contrib/gperf/lib/getopt.h. I notice Cvsup hasn't downloaded the file getopt.c either or any other files in attic. I tried changing tag to '.' and it doesn't help either. I have a low bandwidth connection, so pl. give me a clue on how to sync up everything. The 'make buildkernel' also fails with the following error:- ------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies -------------------------------------------------------------- cd /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC; MAKEOBJDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj MACHINE_ARCH=i386 MACHINE=i386 CPUTYPE= GROFF_BIN_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/bin GROFF_FONT_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/share/groff_font GROFF_TMAC_PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/share/tmac DESTDIR=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 _SHLIBDIRPREFIX=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386 INSTALL="sh /usr/src/tools/install.sh" PATH=/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/legacy/usr/games:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/sbin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/bin:/usr/obj/usr/src/i386/usr/games:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin /usr/obj/usr/src/make.i386/make KERNEL=kernel depend -DNO_MODULES_OBJ rm -f .olddep if [ -f .depend ]; then mv .depend .olddep; fi /usr/obj/usr/src/make.i386/make _kernel-depend cc -c -O -pipe -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/usr/src/sys -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/usr/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -finline-limit=8000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -ffreestanding /usr/src/sys/i386/i386/genassym.c cc1: error: invalid parameter `inline-unit-growth' cc1: error: invalid parameter `large-function-growth' *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. ------------------------------------- Appreciate any help on this. thanks -kamal From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 16:52:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B067E16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:52:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E32543D3F for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:52:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUGvSMr003245; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:57:30 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: "Arun Pereira" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 13:55:58 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41AC7BEE.2530.15BE9EB@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <005f01c4d6eb$e659cd00$453035ce@cerberus> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:52:36 -0000 Yeah, it is the only one on that port. The worst part is that the connecti= on attempt doesn=B4t even generates a log entry !! I looked into the log also !! netstat -an | grep LIST tcp4 0 0 *.5007 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.199 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.443 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.80 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.22 *.* LISTEN here is my.cnf [mysqld] datadir=3D/bd/mysql/data socket=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysql.sock port=3D5004 set-variable =3D max_connections=3D2000 [mysql.server] user=3Dxxxxxxx basedir=3D/bd/ [safe_mysqld] err-log=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysqld.log pid-file=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysqld.pid > > I know this might sound rather obvious but have you checked whether mysq= l is > actually listening on that port? Perhaps that port is being used by ano= ther > daemon or process and mysql cannot bind to it while starting. > use netstat to check this. Also try and look at the error log file for t= he > mysql daemon. Usually this is located in the /var/db/mysql directory. > -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 17:10:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5D1216A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:10:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailfe01.swip.net (mailfe01.swip.net [212.247.154.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D4243D45 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:10:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) X-T2-Posting-ID: Y1QAsIk9O44SO+J/q9KNyQ== Received: from [193.216.47.149] (HELO curly.tele2.no) by mailfe01.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with ESMTP id 228228722; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:10:23 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by curly.tele2.no (8.12.5/8.12.3) id iAUHG5fi001397; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:16:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:16:03 +0100 From: Hans Petter Selasky To: Barry Bouwsma Message-ID: <20041130181603.A1352@curly.tele2.no> References: <200410201612.i9KGClg05229@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> <200411301310.iAUDAJl01186@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200411301310.iAUDAJl01186@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK>; Nov 30, 2004 at 02:10:19PM +0100 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB OHCI problems... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:10:26 -0000 Hi, I've got a new USB driver (with OHCI isoc fixed). You need FreeBSD 5.2/5.3 to get it compiled. You might be able to get it compiled on FreeBSD 4.x, but you will need to to some hacking. For example you need to add to dev/usb2/usb_port.h : #ifndef MTX #define MTX struct mtx { int s; u_int8_t locked; u_int8_t mtx_recurse; } #define mtx_init(args...) #define mtx_lock(mtx) { (mtx)->s = splnet(); if((mtx)->locked) { (mtx)->mtx_recurse++; } else { (mtx)->locked = 1; } } #define mtx_unlock(mtx) { splx((mtx)->s); if((mtx)->mtx_recurse) { (mtx)->mtx_recurse--; } else { (mtx)->locked = 0; } } int msleep(void *ident, struct mtx *mtx, int priority, const char *wmesg, int timo); #endif and to dev/usb2/_usb.c: int msleep(void *ident, struct mtx *mtx, int priority, const char *wmesg, int timo) { tsleep(ident,priority,wmesg,timo); } Create a new directory and download the following files and type "make install" (to uninstall type "make deinstall") http://home.c2i.net/hselasky/isdn4bsd/privat/usb/Makefile http://home.c2i.net/hselasky/isdn4bsd/privat/usb/new_usb_1_5_4.diff.bz2 http://home.c2i.net/hselasky/isdn4bsd/privat/usb/new_usb_1_5_4.tar.bz2 Maybe this thread should be moved to freebsd-usb@FreeBSD.org ? Yours -HPS From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 17:16:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C8316A4CF for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:16:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.192]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2242843D5E for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:16:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dr.clau@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id b11so517619rne for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:16:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:return-path:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:x-enigmail-supports:content-type; b=Q6RvaFbYuWpguwwT6kwKX6zDUpxmWuBVRSSC5uguAj76ZRVNrkz3je2r7a2VRnUyhk2gGa+WoN/4GXKrnO6wVPHwgiFC0ygn3dtpWF/7uVBzmuOey9VtIrujIUvADsyRxiczoZAkTHlfgfHVnJt5i2OX3v/CAp7PQeusVTIFWDk= Received: by 10.38.161.9 with SMTP id j9mr567021rne; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?82.79.29.15? ([82.79.29.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTP id 79sm16306rna; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 09:16:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <41ACAB34.4080504@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:17:40 +0200 From: Claudiu Dragalia-Paraipan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041125) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <41AA0043.5070109@gmail.com> <20041129185152.GF804@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> <41AB84A6.50309@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AB84A6.50309@freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig8BCC1E1365E1E9112FCFF675" cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ssh & select() problem on 5.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:16:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig8BCC1E1365E1E9112FCFF675 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just for the record, the problem is solved. It was indeed a misconfiguration at the next hop, at the provider. Thank you. With respect, -- Claudiu Dragalina-Paraipan dr.clau@gmail.com --------------enig8BCC1E1365E1E9112FCFF675 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFBrKs4m0FWxb+swkQRAuYyAKCJ6Nw031TRyKATpexVbAHmpVY6OgCfbUQz nwJHfuGQKkO3xiDRHhFnw1o= =26WP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig8BCC1E1365E1E9112FCFF675-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 17:20:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD9616A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:20:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7444343D46 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:20:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUHPrMr007241; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:25:54 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: "Arun Pereira" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:24:23 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41AC8297.27850.175F014@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <005f01c4d6eb$e659cd00$453035ce@cerberus> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem (correction re-post) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:20:58 -0000 Sorry for this :( . Correction marked with " <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D**** " I typed a my.cnf from another machine. only the port differs. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Yeah, it is the only one on that port. The worst part is that the connecti= on attempt doesn=B4t even generates a log entry !! I looked into the log also !! netstat -an | grep LIST tcp4 0 0 *.5007 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.199 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.443 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.80 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.22 *.* LISTEN here is my.cnf [mysqld] datadir=3D/bd/mysql/data socket=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysql.sock port=3D5007 <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D**** set-variable =3D max_connections=3D2000 [mysql.server] user=3Dxxxxxxx basedir=3D/bd/ [safe_mysqld] err-log=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysqld.log pid-file=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysqld.pid > > I know this might sound rather obvious but have you checked whether mysq= l is > actually listening on that port? Perhaps that port is being used by ano= ther > daemon or process and mysql cannot bind to it while starting. > use netstat to check this. Also try and look at the error log file for t= he > mysql daemon. Usually this is located in the /var/db/mysql directory. > -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 19:04:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6EF16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:04:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx1.velcom.com (mx1.velcom.com [209.67.60.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5ADD843D2D for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:04:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from arun@velcom.com) Received: (qmail 92955 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2004 19:03:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cerberus) (206.53.48.69) by mx1.velcom.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2004 19:03:34 -0000 Message-ID: <005701c4d70f$657ae290$453035ce@cerberus> From: "Arun Pereira" To: References: <41AC8297.27850.175F014@localhost> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 14:04:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem (correction re-post) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:04:08 -0000 hrmm. Can you try switching the port to another port number? Perhaps a lower port number? See if you can get it to connect in that way? In your log file, does it print messages about having successfully started up? Do you have ipfw or any other packet filter on your machine? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Arun Pereira" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:24 PM Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem (correction re-post) Sorry for this :( . Correction marked with " <=====**** " I typed a my.cnf from another machine. only the port differs. ============== Yeah, it is the only one on that port. The worst part is that the connection attempt doesn´t even generates a log entry !! I looked into the log also !! netstat -an | grep LIST tcp4 0 0 *.5007 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.199 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.443 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.80 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 *.* LISTEN tcp4 0 0 *.22 *.* LISTEN here is my.cnf [mysqld] datadir=/bd/mysql/data socket=/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysql.sock port=5007 <=====**** set-variable = max_connections=2000 [mysql.server] user=xxxxxxx basedir=/bd/ [safe_mysqld] err-log=/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysqld.log pid-file=/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysqld.pid > > I know this might sound rather obvious but have you checked whether mysql > is > actually listening on that port? Perhaps that port is being used by > another > daemon or process and mysql cannot bind to it while starting. > use netstat to check this. Also try and look at the error log file for the > mysql daemon. Usually this is located in the /var/db/mysql directory. > -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 19:23:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD67A16A4DC for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:23:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB5A43D31 for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:23:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAUJSQMr028859; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:28:27 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: "Arun Pereira" Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:26:56 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41AC9F50.25874.1E62279@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <005701c4d70f$657ae290$453035ce@cerberus> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem (correction re-post) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:23:36 -0000 Hi Arun; > hrmm. > Can you try switching the port to another port number? Perhaps a lower p= ort > number? > See if you can get it to connect in that way? Makes no difference > In your log file, does it print messages about having successfully start= ed > up? Yes, it does. Like I said, if I use mysql.sock I connect fine. The problem= is in TCP connections. > Do you have ipfw or any other packet filter on your machine? None whatsoever, of any kind. -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Arun Pereira" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:24 PM > Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem (correction re-post) > > > Sorry for this :( . Correction marked with " <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D**** " > > I typed a my.cnf from another machine. only the port differs. > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Yeah, it is the only one on that port. The worst part is that the connec= tion > attempt doesn=B4t even > generates a log entry !! I looked into the log also !! > > netstat -an | grep LIST > tcp4 0 0 *.5007 *.* LISTE= N > tcp4 0 0 *.199 *.* LISTE= N > tcp4 0 0 *.443 *.* LISTE= N > tcp4 0 0 *.80 *.* LISTE= N > tcp4 0 0 127.0.0.1.25 *.* LISTE= N > tcp4 0 0 *.22 *.* LISTE= N > > here is my.cnf > > [mysqld] > datadir=3D/bd/mysql/data > socket=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysql.sock > > port=3D5007 <=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D**** > > set-variable =3D max_connections=3D2000 > > [mysql.server] > user=3Dxxxxxxx > basedir=3D/bd/ > > [safe_mysqld] > err-log=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysqld.log > pid-file=3D/home/xxxxxxx/mysql/mysqld.pid > > > > > I know this might sound rather obvious but have you checked whether my= sql > > is > > actually listening on that port? Perhaps that port is being used by > > another > > daemon or process and mysql cannot bind to it while starting. > > use netstat to check this. Also try and look at the error log file for= the > > mysql daemon. Usually this is located in the /var/db/mysql directory. > > > > -- > //| //|| > // | // || > -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO > // // || > --------------------------------- > mario.lobo@ipad.com.br > http://www.ipad.com.br > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 19:39:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1330716A4CE; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:39:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr12.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.32]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4874843D76; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:39:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) iAUJdWKu062087; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:39:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAUJdWt2014426; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:39:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iAUJdWmQ014425; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:39:32 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:39:32 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: freebsd-list@dclg.ca Message-ID: <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="mYYhpFXgKVw71fwr" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:39:41 -0000 --mYYhpFXgKVw71fwr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:05:39PM -0500, freebsd-list@dclg.ca wrote.. > After a bunch of frustrating debugging, I've tenatively come to the > conclusion that the isp(4) driver is not 64 bit safe --- at the very > least insofar as the amd64 platform is concerned. Side note: isp(4) has been in use for years on Alpha, and I do not recall having seen problems like yours on it. Mind you, not much FC connections I ever used on it. The only thing critical for success on Alpha is loading ispfw.ko *always*. Matt (mjacob) has noted that multiple times, and he is absolutely right. 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canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486E12A8E0; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:22:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B33E2B3; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:22:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iAUKMT3M016587; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:22:29 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iAUKMO0k016584; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:22:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Authentication-Warning: overcee.wemm.org: peter set sender to peter@wemm.org using -f From: Peter Wemm To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 12:22:23 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200411301222.24062.peter@wemm.org> cc: Wilko Bulte cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:22:31 -0000 On Tuesday 30 November 2004 11:39 am, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:05:39PM -0500, freebsd-list@dclg.ca > wrote.. > > > After a bunch of frustrating debugging, I've tenatively come to the > > conclusion that the isp(4) driver is not 64 bit safe --- at the > > very least insofar as the amd64 platform is concerned. > > Side note: isp(4) has been in use for years on Alpha, and I do not > recall having seen problems like yours on it. Mind you, not much FC > connections I ever used on it. The only thing critical for success > on Alpha is loading ispfw.ko *always*. Matt (mjacob) has noted that > multiple times, and he is absolutely right. > > Wilko I haven't seen an alpha with more than 2G of ram that we booted on. Is it possible that isp has never been tested with >4G ram? Secondly.. what release is this on? I'm wondering if the horrific busdma bugs in 5.3-RELEASE might be a problem if the machine does have >4G ram. Third, is this a machine ram size problem or a disk volume size problem? The original post was about a 131G FC volume and calculating the wrong number of sectors and the wrong sector size... -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 20:26:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EAE16A4CE; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:26:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.24]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D4643D46; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:26:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr4.xs4all.nl (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iAUKQYHr074601; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:26:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iAUKQXFs015202; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:26:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iAUKQXxr015201; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:26:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:26:33 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Peter Wemm Message-ID: <20041130202633.GA15157@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200411301222.24062.peter@wemm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="DocE+STaALJfprDB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200411301222.24062.peter@wemm.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:26:43 -0000 --DocE+STaALJfprDB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 12:22:23PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote.. > On Tuesday 30 November 2004 11:39 am, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:05:39PM -0500, freebsd-list@dclg.ca > > wrote.. > > > > > After a bunch of frustrating debugging, I've tenatively come to the > > > conclusion that the isp(4) driver is not 64 bit safe --- at the > > > very least insofar as the amd64 platform is concerned. > > > > Side note: isp(4) has been in use for years on Alpha, and I do not > > recall having seen problems like yours on it. Mind you, not much FC > > connections I ever used on it. The only thing critical for success > > on Alpha is loading ispfw.ko *always*. Matt (mjacob) has noted that > > multiple times, and he is absolutely right. > > > > Wilko >=20 > I haven't seen an alpha with more than 2G of ram that we booted on. Is= =20 > it possible that isp has never been tested with >4G ram? Quite possible as far as Alpha is concerned. You are correct about the 2G, on a lot of Alpha models it is less than that (IIRC..) > Third, is this a machine ram size problem or a disk volume size problem? = =20 > The original post was about a 131G FC volume and calculating the wrong=20 > number of sectors and the wrong sector size... Given time (....) I could test up to 2TB volumes using FC / isp(4) at work. 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ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 3F477CDA3; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:43:01 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 1FFB7681B; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:42:55 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16812.56143.60199.332283@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:42:55 -0500 To: Wilko Bulte In-Reply-To: <20041130202633.GA15157@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200411301222.24062.peter@wemm.org> <20041130202633.GA15157@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:43:03 -0000 >>>>> "Wilko" == Wilko Bulte writes: Wilko> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 12:22:23PM -0800, Peter Wemm wrote.. >> On Tuesday 30 November 2004 11:39 am, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Mon, >> Nov 29, 2004 at 08:05:39PM -0500, freebsd-list@dclg.ca > wrote.. >> > >> > > After a bunch of frustrating debugging, I've tenatively come to >> the > > conclusion that the isp(4) driver is not 64 bit safe --- at >> the > > very least insofar as the amd64 platform is concerned. >> > >> > Side note: isp(4) has been in use for years on Alpha, and I do >> not > recall having seen problems like yours on it. Mind you, not >> much FC > connections I ever used on it. The only thing critical >> for success > on Alpha is loading ispfw.ko *always*. Matt (mjacob) >> has noted that > multiple times, and he is absolutely right. >> > >> > Wilko >> >> I haven't seen an alpha with more than 2G of ram that we booted on. >> Is it possible that isp has never been tested with >4G ram? Wilko> Quite possible as far as Alpha is concerned. You are correct Wilko> about the 2G, on a lot of Alpha models it is less than that Wilko> (IIRC..) >> Third, is this a machine ram size problem or a disk volume size >> problem? The original post was about a 131G FC volume and >> calculating the wrong number of sectors and the wrong sector >> size... Wilko> Given time (....) I could test up to 2TB volumes using FC / Wilko> isp(4) at work. But not on amd64 as we do not currently have Wilko> such a machine :) I just heard back from some people still onsite. The ISP driver booted with everything the same except hw.physmem=2g works. It's a memory issue. I didn't ever think it was a volume size issue as the volume was 131 gig ... and that's not big these days. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 20:46:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68E3616A4D0; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:46:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B24F43D54; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:46:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 99055CD9C; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:46:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id DA249681B; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:45:55 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16812.56323.806726.688109@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:45:55 -0500 To: Peter Wemm In-Reply-To: <200411301222.24062.peter@wemm.org> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200411301222.24062.peter@wemm.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid cc: Wilko Bulte cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:46:04 -0000 >>>>> "Peter" == Peter Wemm writes: Peter> On Tuesday 30 November 2004 11:39 am, Wilko Bulte wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:05:39PM -0500, freebsd-list@dclg.ca >> wrote.. >> >> > After a bunch of frustrating debugging, I've tenatively come to >> the > conclusion that the isp(4) driver is not 64 bit safe --- at >> the > very least insofar as the amd64 platform is concerned. >> >> Side note: isp(4) has been in use for years on Alpha, and I do not >> recall having seen problems like yours on it. Mind you, not much >> FC connections I ever used on it. The only thing critical for >> success on Alpha is loading ispfw.ko *always*. Matt (mjacob) has >> noted that multiple times, and he is absolutely right. >> >> Wilko Peter> I haven't seen an alpha with more than 2G of ram that we booted Peter> on. Is it possible that isp has never been tested with >4G Peter> ram? I had the machine tested with hw.physmem=2g and it works. Peter> Secondly.. what release is this on? I'm wondering if the Peter> horrific busdma bugs in 5.3-RELEASE might be a problem if the Peter> machine does have >> 4G ram. I updated to -STABLE as of yesterday morning and it changed the nature of the panic somewhat, but did not fix it. Peter> Third, is this a machine ram size problem or a disk volume size Peter> problem? The original post was about a 131G FC volume and Peter> calculating the wrong number of sectors and the wrong sector Peter> size... Someone pointed out to me that my integer was 0xDEADBEEF ... which somewhat squared with my use of 'options INVARIANTS' on the kernel. Note that the scsi_da.c size printf shows the correct size. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 20:47:15 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87B7216A4CE; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:47:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F99543D45; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:47:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id BBE14CE70; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:47:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id E298A681B; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:47:08 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16812.56396.857963.233756@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 15:47:08 -0500 To: Wilko Bulte In-Reply-To: <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:47:15 -0000 >>>>> "Wilko" == Wilko Bulte writes: Wilko> On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 08:05:39PM -0500, freebsd-list@dclg.ca Wilko> wrote.. >> After a bunch of frustrating debugging, I've tenatively come to the >> conclusion that the isp(4) driver is not 64 bit safe --- at the >> very least insofar as the amd64 platform is concerned. Wilko> Side note: isp(4) has been in use for years on Alpha, and I do Wilko> not recall having seen problems like yours on it. Mind you, Wilko> not much FC connections I ever used on it. The only thing Wilko> critical for success on Alpha is loading ispfw.ko *always*. Wilko> Matt (mjacob) has noted that multiple times, and he is Wilko> absolutely right. I did have device ispfw in the kernel, but this card may be new enough not to require it --- ispfw didn't change the behaviour or spit out any boot messages. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 22:54:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 664) id 149AF16A4CF; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:54:12 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:54:12 +0000 From: David O'Brien To: David Gilbert Message-ID: <20041130225412.GA26088@hub.freebsd.org> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200411301222.24062.peter@wemm.org> <20041130202633.GA15157@freebie.xs4all.nl> <16812.56143.60199.332283@canoe.dclg.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <16812.56143.60199.332283@canoe.dclg.ca> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE Organization: The NUXI BSD group X-Pgp-Rsa-Fingerprint: B7 4D 3E E9 11 39 5F A3 90 76 5D 69 58 D9 98 7A X-Pgp-Rsa-Keyid: 1024/34F9F9D5 cc: Wilko Bulte cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: obrien@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 22:54:12 -0000 On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 03:42:55PM -0500, David Gilbert wrote: > I just heard back from some people still onsite. The ISP driver > booted with everything the same except hw.physmem=2g works. It's a > memory issue. Try hw.physmem=4g. It should be the 4GB boundary, not 2GB boundary that is causing you trouble. -- -- David (obrien@FreeBSD.org) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 00:18:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B25916A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:18:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from daintree.corp.yahoo.com (daintree.corp.yahoo.com [216.145.52.172]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229FF43D53; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:18:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: by daintree.corp.yahoo.com (Postfix, from userid 2154) id 04F211977A; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:18:41 -0800 (PST) From: Peter Wemm To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org, obrien@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 16:18:40 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <16812.56143.60199.332283@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130225412.GA26088@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20041130225412.GA26088@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200411301618.40651.peter@wemm.org> cc: Wilko Bulte cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: David Gilbert Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:18:41 -0000 On Tuesday 30 November 2004 02:54 pm, David O'Brien wrote: > On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 03:42:55PM -0500, David Gilbert wrote: > > I just heard back from some people still onsite. The ISP driver > > booted with everything the same except hw.physmem=2g works. It's a > > memory issue. > > Try hw.physmem=4g. It should be the 4GB boundary, not 2GB boundary > that is causing you trouble. I wonder if the isp driver is using 32 bit signed addressing for its dma control blocks or something.. I have an ISP-something scsi controller that I could probably extract from an itanic box, but I've got to get more ram in my test machine.. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 00:18:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240B116A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:18:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3841943D2F for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 00:18:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.gsoft.com.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB10IpEE048083; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:48:52 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:48:42 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200410201612.i9KGClg05229@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> <200411301310.iAUDAJl01186@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> In-Reply-To: <200411301310.iAUDAJl01186@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart20034804.BuxKMUamFK"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412011048.50694.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -4.6 () IN_REP_TO,PGP_SIGNATURE_2,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT,USER_AGENT_KMAIL X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.16 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) cc: Barry Bouwsma Subject: Re: USB OHCI problems... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 00:18:56 -0000 --nextPart20034804.BuxKMUamFK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:40, Barry Bouwsma wrote: > In addition, I've connected a uaudio sound device, which > works to play audio for between 10 and 13 minutes, before > bombing out with an error in ohci_device_isoc_enter(), > tripping over one of the two On a side note.. How are you testing it? Last time I tried my USB audio device I got pretty reliable panics trying t= o=20 get KDE to use it :( =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart20034804.BuxKMUamFK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBrQ3q5ZPcIHs/zowRAm+ZAKCE7jiFqlZrU6PQNZYgc26e0q22jQCeO7ll I8JF7OsOPfRCi3dbcVFGK74= =BGVo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart20034804.BuxKMUamFK-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 04:52:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3393916A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:52:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ox.eicat.ca (ox.eicat.ca [66.96.30.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F242143D49; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 04:52:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dgilbert@daveg.ca) Received: by ox.eicat.ca (Postfix, from userid 66) id 5BCF5CD72; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by canoe.dclg.ca (Postfix, from userid 101) id 7A22E6807; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:52:30 -0500 (EST) From: David Gilbert MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16813.19982.377480.293323@canoe.dclg.ca> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:52:30 -0500 To: obrien@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20041130225412.GA26088@hub.freebsd.org> References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130193932.GI14039@freebie.xs4all.nl> <200411301222.24062.peter@wemm.org> <20041130202633.GA15157@freebie.xs4all.nl> <16812.56143.60199.332283@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130225412.GA26088@hub.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta17) "chayote" (+CVS-20040321) XEmacs Lucid cc: Wilko Bulte cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: David Gilbert Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 04:52:32 -0000 >>>>> "David" == David O'Brien writes: David> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 03:42:55PM -0500, David Gilbert wrote: >> I just heard back from some people still onsite. The ISP driver >> booted with everything the same except hw.physmem=2g works. It's a >> memory issue. David> Try hw.physmem=4g. It should be the 4GB boundary, not 2GB David> boundary that is causing you trouble. They will likely do that, but that result is slightly less important. Dave. -- ============================================================================ |David Gilbert, Independent Contractor. | Two things can only be | |Mail: dave@daveg.ca | equal if and only if they | |http://daveg.ca | are precisely opposite. | =========================================================GLO================ From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 09:29:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8648E16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:29:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from multiplay.co.uk (www1.multiplay.co.uk [212.42.16.7]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9421343D4C for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:29:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from killing@multiplay.co.uk) Received: from vader ([212.135.219.179]) by multiplay.co.uk (multiplay.co.uk [212.42.16.7]) (MDaemon.PRO.v7.2.1.R) with ESMTP id md50000757337.msg for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:21:30 +0000 Message-ID: <021e01c4d788$41421370$b3db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:29:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Processed: multiplay.co.uk, Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:21:30 +0000 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 212.135.219.179 X-Return-Path: killing@multiplay.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: hackers@freebsd.org X-MDAV-Processed: multiplay.co.uk, Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:21:33 +0000 Subject: sysctl machdep.hlt_logical_cpus affects kernel HZ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:29:58 -0000 One of my colleagues has just noticed that setting: sysctl machdep.hlt_logical_cpus=1 appears to double the kernel frequency as reported by systat on 5.2.1-RELEASE-p11. Is this correct? What are the implications? How can this be corrected? Steve ================================================ This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. In the event of misdirection, the recipient is prohibited from using, copying, printing or otherwise disseminating it or any information contained in it. In the event of misdirection, illegible or incomplete transmission please telephone (023) 8024 3137 or return the E.mail to postmaster@multiplay.co.uk. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 11:24:59 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BF816A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:24:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5087B43D4C for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:24:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 17721 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2004 11:16:11 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Dec 2004 11:16:11 -0000 Message-ID: <41ADAA06.8020403@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:24:54 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br References: <41AC9F50.25874.1E62279@localhost> In-Reply-To: <41AC9F50.25874.1E62279@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Arun Pereira Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem (correction re-post) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:24:59 -0000 mario.lobo@ipad.com.br wrote: > Hi Arun; > >>hrmm. >>Can you try switching the port to another port number? Perhaps a lower port >>number? >>See if you can get it to connect in that way? > > Makes no difference > >>In your log file, does it print messages about having successfully started >>up? > > Yes, it does. Like I said, if I use mysql.sock I connect fine. The problem is in TCP connections. > >>Do you have ipfw or any other packet filter on your machine? > > None whatsoever, of any kind. Do this and try again: sysctl net.inet.ip.portrange.randomized=0 -- Andre From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 12:02:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A277216A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:02:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.1.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 32E1B43D2D for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:02:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from silby@silby.com) Received: (qmail 13616 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2004 12:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 1 Dec 2004 12:02:03 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 209.68.2.70 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 06:02:02 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Silbersack To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br In-Reply-To: <41AC9F50.25874.1E62279@localhost> Message-ID: <20041201060059.B11201@odysseus.silby.com> References: <41AC9F50.25874.1E62279@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Arun Pereira Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem (correction re-post) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:02:04 -0000 On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 mario.lobo@ipad.com.br wrote: > Hi Arun; > >> hrmm. >> Can you try switching the port to another port number? Perhaps a lower port >> number? >> See if you can get it to connect in that way? > > Makes no difference Try doing a "tcpdump -n -i lo0" and see what traffic occurs when you make the connection attempt. It should only be a few lines, so posting to this thread will be fine. Mike "Silby" Silbersack From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 12:13:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D951016A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:13:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B644043D68; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:13:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB1CIFMr013127; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:18:15 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: freebsd-database@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:16:44 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41AD8BFC.7650.590021@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: MYSQL connection problem (added info) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:13:21 -0000 Adding the tcpdump output after changing mysqld to port 5004 (just a try := (( ) and issuing: [~]>mysql --port=3D5004 --host=3D127.0.0.1 --user=3Dxxxxxxx database -p [~]>tcpdump -vv -i lo0 port 5004 tcpdump: listening on lo0, link-type NULL (BSD loopback), capture size 96 = bytes 08:57:04.755597 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 5384, offset 0, flags [DF], lengt= h: 64) localhost.58972 > localhost.5004: S [tcp sum ok] 1832068379:1832068379(0) win 65535 08:57:04.755654 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 5385, offset 0, flags [DF], lengt= h: 64) localhost.5004 > localhost.58972: S [tcp sum ok] 87927240:87927240(0) ack 1832068380 win 65= 535 08:57:04.755685 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 5386, offset 0, flags [DF], lengt= h: 52) localhost.58972 > localhost.5004: . [tcp sum ok] 1:1(0) ack 1 win 35840 08:57:04.756399 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 5387, offset 0, flags [DF], lengt= h: 52) localhost.5004 > localhost.58972: F [tcp sum ok] 1:1(0) ack 1 win 35840 08:57:04.760855 IP (tos 0x8, ttl 64, id 5388, offset 0, flags [DF], lengt= h: 52) localhost.58972 > localhost.5004: . [tcp sum ok] 1:1(0) ack 2 win 35840 08:57:04.761035 IP (tos 0x8, ttl 64, id 5389, offset 0, flags [DF], lengt= h: 52) localhost.58972 > localhost.5004: F [tcp sum ok] 1:1(0) ack 2 win 35840 08:57:04.761067 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 5390, offset 0, flags [DF], lengt= h: 52) localhost.5004 > localhost.58972: . [tcp sum ok] 2:2(0) ack 2 win 35839 7 packets captured 7 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel I hope this helps, -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br -- First post /* =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I have two machines: 1) Free 4.10 / mysql (5.0.0) listening on port 5006 2) Free 5.3 Release / mysql (5.0.0) listening on port 5007 On both, no firewalls, blocks or anything of that sort. Both machines have= the same configuration. Both mysql were compiled from the ports with the same options. The only di= fference between the two machines is the Free version and port mysql is listening on. Here are the outputs of the following commands on machine 1): >telnet localhost 5006 Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. 9 5.0.0-alpha}l'zRjBG,!js%Zxl6f"p3 (after a few seconds...) Connection closed by foreign host. --------------------------------------------- >mysql -u root -P 5006 -h 127.0.0.1 -p Enter password: Welcome to the MySQL monitor. Commands end with ; or \g. Your MySQL connection id is 8 to server version: 5.0.0-alpha Type 'help;' or '\h' for help. Type '\c' to clear the buffer. mysql> ********************** Now, here are the outputs of the same commands on machine 2): ]>telnet localhost 5007 Trying ::1... Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. Connection closed by foreign host. (no wait for this line to show!) >mysql -u root -P 5007 -h 127.0.0.1 -p Enter password: ERROR 2013 (HY000): Lost connection to MySQL server during query (no wait for the above line to show either!) ************** I can only connect on machine 2) if I use a mysql.sock file. Any attempt t= o connect via TCP/IP doesn=B4t work !! command line client, java connectors (all possible versi= ons) none work. I=B4ve been into every single link google returned to me on the ERROR 2013= above for 2 days now and none of them had any info to get this working. Believe me, I tried every h= int of suggestion there was. I really hope someone here has any clues to what is going on. I=B4ve posted this to hackers but no clues so far. thanks, -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 30 20:33:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D92C16A4CE for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:33:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk (84-72-27-39.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.72.27.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C4B43D1F for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:33:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: from Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK (ipv6.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk [2002:5448:1b27:0:220:afff:fed4:dbcb]) (8.11.6/8.11.6-SPAMMERS-DeLiGHt) with ESMTP id iAUKXER02583 verified NO) for ; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:33:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: (from beer@localhost) by Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK (8.11.6/FNORD) id iAUKXES02582; Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:33:14 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:33:14 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200411302033.iAUKXES02582@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: beer set sender to bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk using -f X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: Processed from queue /tmp X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: Processed by beer with -C /etc/mail/sendmail.cf-LOCAL From: Barry Bouwsma To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:20:14 +0000 Subject: Soundcard tweaking: `mixer' v. `sysctl' ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 20:33:26 -0000 [drop me from replies and I'll catch up from the archives RSN] I seek guidance in my hideous hacking. I have multiple sound cards based on the CMI8738 chip with spdif input in one machine, for which I was using hacked kernel modules to select either optical or coaxial spdif input from both cards. The cmpci driver under NetBSD has far more functionality, allowing one to use mixerctl/audioctl to access much more than FreeBSD's mixer or sysctl can give me. Now that I'm wanting to record from different sources on the two cards, as well as having been spoilt by what NetBSD is able to offer in monitoring and whatnot, I'm wanting to hack comparable functionality into my FreeBSD kernel modules. My first ugly hack makes use of two added mixer inputs to allow me to select one of the two spdif inputs independently of the other card, with `mixer', whee. After I had had no luck with my wish to use a sysctl to select recording source like the NetBSD mixerctl program. First question, am I missing anything that gives sysctl-like control over sound devices, under my FreeBSD4? Secondly, after another attempt to whup the sysctl into submission, I had success. Yow. So I was able to duplicate my `mixer' input source selection hack as a `sysctl' input source selection hack, as well as introduce a handful of other sysctl knobs to be used to tweak things important to me, leaving the door open for others. So, should I give up on `mixer' in favour of `sysctl' to select recording source (the spdif inputs are exclusive), or is it still reasonable/preferable to use `mixer =rec dig1' as my earlier hacks allow (haven't tried to make those disappear from the mixer itself, as the level cannot be adjusted) ? In addition, for something like enabling spdif monitor to the analog outputs (which NetBSD's mixerctl spdif.monitor allows me to do), should this be done with a sysctl, as my later hack does, or by something else? There's already one sysctl for this sound driver to enable spdif playback output, so I would imagine this is the way to go. Apologies for my stupidity. And I'll submit (ugly) patches, when I'm happy with my hacks. If desired. thanks barry bouwsma From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 07:19:08 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB64916A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:19:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from www.kukulies.org (www.kukulies.org [213.146.112.180]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F3D43D46 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:19:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kuku@www.kukulies.org) Received: from www.kukulies.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.kukulies.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB17J3b8060574 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:19:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kuku@www.kukulies.org) Received: (from kuku@localhost) by www.kukulies.org (8.13.1/8.12.10/Submit) id iB17J2UD060573 for hackers@freebsd.org; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:19:02 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kuku) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:19:02 +0100 (CET) From: Christoph Kukulies Message-Id: <200412010719.iB17J2UD060573@www.kukulies.org> To: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:20:14 +0000 Subject: Oracle 9/10g under FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:19:08 -0000 Anyone having one of the Oracle linux dists running under FreeBSD? -- Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku_at_kukulies.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 08:09:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF8E16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:09:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dastardly.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.ARPA.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk (84-72-27-39.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.72.27.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0534643D46 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:09:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: from Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK (ipv6.NOSPAM.dyndns.dk [2002:5448:1b27:0:220:afff:fed4:dbcb]) (8.11.6/8.11.6-SPAMMERS-DeLiGHt) with ESMTP id iB1890R07825 verified NO); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:09:03 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Received: (from beer@localhost) by Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK (8.11.6/FNORD) id iB1890h07824; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:09:00 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:09:00 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200412010809.iB1890h07824@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: beer set sender to bounce@NOSPAM.dyndns.dk using -f X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: Processed from queue /tmp X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.newsbastards.org.72.27.172.IN-addr.A: Processed by beer with -C /etc/mail/sendmail.cf-LOCAL From: Barry Bouwsma To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <200410201612.i9KGClg05229@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> <200411301310.iAUDAJl01186@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> <200412011048.50694.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:20:14 +0000 Subject: Re: USB OHCI problems... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 08:09:11 -0000 [drop me from any replies, and I'll catch up from the archives, thanx] On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:48:42 +1030, "Daniel O'Connor" wrote: > > In addition, I've connected a uaudio sound device, which > > works to play audio for between 10 and 13 minutes, before > > bombing out with an error in ohci_device_isoc_enter(), > On a side note.. > How are you testing it? ``waveplay -S 48000 -f /dev/dsp[0-2]'' (when part of a pipeline that cuts off the WAV header info), or via a wrapper that invokes `ogg123' with the appropriate /dev/dsp? audio device. Into a pair of headphones. I haven't done a serious comprehensive test to try recording or anything; that comes later. > Last time I tried my USB audio device I got pretty reliable panics trying to > get KDE to use it :( Which FreeBSD and what sort of device? My FreeBSD-4.x is using as much USB code from -current as possible, which might make some difference. The uaudio device I have is one that I inquired about some months back in either the -multimedia or -hardware list -- I need to dig out that post, and make a followup to it with potentially useful info sometime later today. There are, um, ``interesting'' things I've observed, which I'll mention in my followup to whichever list, that I need to verify are independent of UHCI/OHCI controller, and also whether afflict NetBSD as well. NetBSD also gives me more access to the device. FreeBSD finds it as uaudio and uhid, and (my module source) plays back at a fixed volume level (apparently samplerate too). The (usual) worst I experience is the `isoc TD' message followed by a `pcmX:play: timeout, channel dead' type of message, after which the device no longer works. While I've had panics from other causes, I don't think any of mine could be pinned on the uaudio/uhid device -- but I haven't done much in the way of connect/disconnecting and stuff. thanks barry bouwsma From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 13:33:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2394216A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:33:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD99F43D45; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:33:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB1DcZMr029150; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:38:35 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: Daniel Bye Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:37:04 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41AD9ED0.15951.A28CAF@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20041201125408.GA6784@catflap.slightlystrange.org> References: <41AD7F97.13526.2896C2@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:33:40 -0000 YEEEESSSSSS !!! IT WORKED !! Thanks a million Daniel. What exactly does with-liwrap do? -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br On 1 Dec 2004 at 12:54, Daniel Bye wrote: > > I had similar problems recently. Edit the port's Makefile, removing the > line: > > --with-libwrap \ > > and rebuild the port. > > This worked for me - but there is probably a better way to deal with it. > > Dan > > -- > Daniel Bye > > PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc > PGP Key fingerprint: 3B9D 8BBB EB03 BA83 5DB4 3B88 86FC F03A 90A1 BE8F > _ > ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) > - against HTML, vCards and X > - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ > From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 13:36:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DBF916A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:36:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B8043D2F; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:36:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB1DfjMr030212; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:41:45 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: Daniel Bye Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:40:14 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41AD9F8E.11077.A572C5@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20041201125408.GA6784@catflap.slightlystrange.org> References: <41AD7F97.13526.2896C2@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions-request@freebsd.org Subject: Re: MYSQL connection problem (SOLVED) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:36:47 -0000 YEEEESSSSSS !!! IT WORKED !! Thanks a million Daniel. What exactly does with-liwrap do? -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br On 1 Dec 2004 at 12:54, Daniel Bye wrote: > > I had similar problems recently. Edit the port's Makefile, removing the > line: > > --with-libwrap \ > > and rebuild the port. > > This worked for me - but there is probably a better way to deal with it. > > Dan > > -- > Daniel Bye > > PGP Key: ftp://ftp.slightlystrange.org/pgpkey/dan.asc > PGP Key fingerprint: 3B9D 8BBB EB03 BA83 5DB4 3B88 86FC F03A 90A1 BE8F > _ > ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) > - against HTML, vCards and X > - proprietary attachments in e-mail / \ > From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 14:06:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2484616A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:06:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8404743D53; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:06:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB1EBOMr005251; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:11:24 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:09:53 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41ADA681.14763.C0975A@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: MYSQL connection problem (SOLVED) - Thanks to all that replied X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:06:32 -0000 Thanks to everyone that replied and tried. My best regards to you all !! -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 14:10:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2669116A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:10:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from shrike.submonkey.net (cpc2-cdif3-6-0-cust204.cdif.cable.ntl.com [81.103.67.204]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D277643D2D for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:10:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from setantae@submonkey.net) Received: from setantae by shrike.submonkey.net with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CZVBy-0009uC-Sv; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:10:50 +0000 Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:10:50 +0000 From: Ceri Davies To: Christoph Kukulies Message-ID: <20041201141050.GZ60679@submonkey.net> Mail-Followup-To: Ceri Davies , Christoph Kukulies , hackers@freebsd.org References: <200412010719.iB17J2UD060573@www.kukulies.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h85LGMdA0M9ASxa6" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200412010719.iB17J2UD060573@www.kukulies.org> X-PGP: finger ceri@FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Sender: Ceri Davies cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Oracle 9/10g under FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 14:10:52 -0000 --h85LGMdA0M9ASxa6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 08:19:02AM +0100, Christoph Kukulies wrote: > Anyone having one of the Oracle linux dists running under FreeBSD? I have 9i running. It turned out to be easier doing it that way than finding a Linux dist that would work. I followed the instructions at http://ezine.daemonnews.org/200402/oracle.html, which actually worked. Ceri --=20 Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Einstein (attrib.) --h85LGMdA0M9ASxa6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBrdDqocfcwTS3JF8RAsuGAJ9Hlpyd0MshKmKp8C4weFWOMfXrFQCgtvVO 2SBPId7HBrm8qMBhrQeK2CQ= =bqUn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h85LGMdA0M9ASxa6-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 17:20:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09B1F16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:20:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailfe10.swip.net (mailfe10.swipnet.se [212.247.155.33]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1920743D5C for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:20:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) X-T2-Posting-ID: Y1QAsIk9O44SO+J/q9KNyQ== Received: from [193.217.199.213] (HELO curly.tele2.no) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.6) with ESMTP id 28474796; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:20:25 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by curly.tele2.no (8.12.5/8.12.3) id iB1HQaQL000884; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:26:37 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:26:34 +0100 From: Hans Petter Selasky To: Hans Petter Selasky Message-ID: <20041201182634.C304@curly.tele2.no> References: <200410201612.i9KGClg05229@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> <200411301310.iAUDAJl01186@Mail.NOSPAM.DynDNS.dK> <20041130181603.A1352@curly.tele2.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20041130181603.A1352@curly.tele2.no>; from hselasky@c2i.net on Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:16:03PM +0100 cc: Barry Bouwsma cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: USB OHCI problems... X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:20:56 -0000 On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 06:16:03PM +0100, Hans Petter Selasky wrote: > Hi, > > http://home.c2i.net/hselasky/isdn4bsd/privat/usb/Makefile > http://home.c2i.net/hselasky/isdn4bsd/privat/usb/new_usb_1_5_4.diff.bz2 > http://home.c2i.net/hselasky/isdn4bsd/privat/usb/new_usb_1_5_4.tar.bz2 > I fixed a small bug in the code that prevented isoc. from working. You might want to re-download the files. Yours -HPS From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 18:00:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD53616A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:00:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from skippyii.compar.com (old.compar.com [216.208.38.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E93443D31; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:00:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Received: from hermes (CPE00062566c7bb-CM000039c69a66.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.193.82.185])iB1I7BK2013418; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:07:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from matt@gsicomp.on.ca) Message-ID: <00c601c4d7cf$3652ba90$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> From: "Matt Emmerton" To: "Dan Nelson" , "David Gilbert" References: <16811.51043.987275.174410@canoe.dclg.ca> <003801c4d685$81192640$1200a8c0@gsicomp.on.ca> <16811.58127.759026.560570@canoe.dclg.ca> <20041130055611.GN5518@dan.emsphone.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:57:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-list@dclg.ca cc: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:00:10 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Nelson" To: "David Gilbert" Cc: "Matt Emmerton" ; ; ; Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 12:56 AM Subject: Re: isp driver not 64 bit? > In the last episode (Nov 29), David Gilbert said: > > Well... cam_calc_geometry seems to get called quite a bit. Almost > > everytime you touch the disk, in fact. fsck'ing a partition calls > > it, for instance. Does this not seem excessive to anyone? Call me naive, but shouldn't the only time we need to obtain the geometry is at initial probe time? > > Console access is personally expensive (much driving, for instance), > > but from memory the debugging I put in cam_calc_geometry() would > > print before the correct output from dadone(). Your description > > reminds me of this --- but it's no less vexing that the output from > > dadone() has the correct sector and volume size and the ccg in > > cam_calc_geometry() has bogus data. > > > > I don't know if it's significant, but the correct numbers were: > > > > 279353684 sectors of 512 bytes > > > > The ccg structure comes up with: > > > > 3737169375 sectors of 3737169374 bytes > > > > Not entirely sensible. Interesting that they're close values. > > However, with different things on the stack, the values changed. > > Even more interesting is their hex values: > > DEC0ADDF and DEC0ADDE, aka 0xDEADC0DE. Something's reading memory > after the kernel freed it. Which makes me wonder if one of our 'extra' cam_calc_geometry() calls is being executed from a place where it shouldn't be. -- Matt Emmerton From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 18:15:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3FE16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:15:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web42210.mail.yahoo.com (web42210.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22A9943D58 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:15:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsdromeo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 86178 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2004 18:11:52 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=yPUQNNf0+/UDPUixgAT0iIpaWHCyM6l+SQPWovpr3bwH7INR9dL3hLpUT60H7PcwiNcKtVRhDuNyAjke0cUyHKPJFAAHbNsYRMGiJnUWJGXjP7nA0scgIqczn+Um/naLtAcv5Sn6jzz/NLHypGd90mtWU3HUo4J780YkLnlKoCk= ; Message-ID: <20041201181152.86176.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.211.164.34] by web42210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 10:11:52 PST Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 10:11:52 -0800 (PST) From: freeBsd Romeo To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: My freebsd dream X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:15:51 -0000 Hello Sirs, First thank you all for making such an beautiful, robust and elegant OS. I have a dream....to make worlds best free bsd based desktop system in the world .....but why do I want that (freebsd does great on servers ...and why do we need this ?) ..Bcos billions of people who desktop system have no real choice ...they are stuck with M$ and further confused by hundreds of linux variants......they need a INTUITIVE, EASY to USE ,FRIENDLY which is also easy to manage centrally in a cooperate environments has binary compatibilities , SECURE and Virus free . I think freebsd provides this ......after all MAc OS X is based on it.... i also went to drawin + gnu drawin site ...failed to find anything interesting (and confusing license) I think we should have a elegant graphical install graphical install ->> can we boot from bootable CD (lik e knoppix) and then run a install program (which maybe web(from the bootable cd)/perl-gtk script based GUI software for easy install....this will allow us to easily install the system with out low level installation Easy Management(scallable to thousands of system)->p2p based software distribution system like bittorent or jaxta to pull heavy software package then use port ystem to finally install Centrall Administration & policies -> Samba + Openldap + phpLDAPadmin + policies (???) Autonomic healing - ??? Stateless BSD (like redhats stateless linux project) I know my dream is worth while .....one day people will use freeBsd variant as thier desktop ...which will never crash nor complain I have a dream .....it called MyBSD (most easy to use , friendly freeBSD based desktop in the world and administrator’s delight ) Pl give your feedback/ suggestions / hate mails regards, BSD Romeo gp __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 18:41:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9081B16A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:41:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from recife.ipadnet.com.br (recife.ipadnet.com.br [200.249.204.129]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F52743D55; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:41:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mario.lobo@ipad.com.br) Received: from marioLobo ([200.249.204.142]) by recife.ipadnet.com.br (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB1IkUMr027557; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:46:30 -0300 From: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br Organization: IPAD To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:44:59 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <41ADE6FB.28816.1BC74C1@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body cc: freebsd-database@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: MYSQL connection problem (SOLVED) - Thanks to all that replied X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: mario.lobo@ipad.com.br List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:41:32 -0000 Thanks to everyone that replied and tried. My best regards to you all !! -- //| //|| // | // || -//--//---|| ARIO LOBO // // || --------------------------------- mario.lobo@ipad.com.br http://www.ipad.com.br From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 20:05:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798FD16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:05:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mproxy.gmail.com (mproxy.gmail.com [216.239.56.249]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A2243D48 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:05:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris.trismegistus@gmail.com) Received: by mproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id u33so285719cwc for ; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:05:41 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=UoHzaFoPyK8d8hjIzgPce2vwHyFEcYYjlRvfH634ITSf3+bbYmSS244ZsHwqhanfC7ljFOjphyMhBOAJBIsjYy1w20IxNQ9YK2JingPzPBoGXK0eqgXLos4Jrvvlx7WD0Io6Jeqdn0OtcbP92B0OTjdTqujSn9nRKEQnYGnFQcA= Received: by 10.11.122.54 with SMTP id u54mr319142cwc; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:05:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.11.122.60 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:05:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:05:40 -0500 From: Chris McDermott To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20041201181152.86176.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <20041201181152.86176.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: My freebsd dream X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Chris McDermott List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:05:41 -0000 I have a dream that one day this [OS] will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all [code is] created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red[mond] hills of [Washington] the [derived works] of former [research projects] and the [derived works] of former [corporations] will be able to [link] together [in] a table of [compatibility]. I have a dream that one day even the [company of Microsoft], a desert [company], sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four [computers] will one day [run] in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their [GUI] but by the content of their [code base]. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day the state of [IP], whose [lawyer's] lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little [freebsd boxes] and [linux boxes] will be able to [share code] with little [windows boxes] and [solaris boxes] and [run] together as [clients] and [servers]. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every [interface] shall be [defined], every [bug] and [error] shall be [documented], the [compiler warnings] will be made [understandable], and the [stack pages] will be made [no-exec], and the glory of the [Code] shall be revealed, and all [users] shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the [buildworld]. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of [operating systems] into a beautiful [cluster] of [beowulf]. With this faith we will be able to work together, to [code] together, to [debug] together, to [core dump] together, to stand up for [standards] together, knowing that we will be [compatible] one day. ... Sorry for OT/flamebait , I had to share this. ;) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 20:54:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0F2016A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:54:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wbm2.pair.net (wbm2.pair.net [209.68.3.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B5E3643D39 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:54:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from braulio@solsoft.co.cr) Received: (qmail 47164 invoked by uid 65534); 1 Dec 2004 20:54:01 -0000 Received: from 163.178.18.3 ([163.178.18.3]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user braulio@solsoft.co.cr); by webmail2.pair.com with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:54:01 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <21434.163.178.18.3.1101934441.squirrel@163.178.18.3> In-Reply-To: <20041201181152.86176.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20041201181152.86176.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:54:01 -0500 (EST) From: braulio@solsoft.co.cr To: "freeBsd Romeo" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My freebsd dream X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:54:02 -0000 Hi. As a latinamerican a dream of an elegant desktop FreeBSD too. I studied computer sciences and I can install FreeBSD for desktop use easily, but "regular" people can't. They also can't see what I see beautiful. I hope that biculturalism (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Biculturalism.html) will merge into one beautiful way. I know that in this life anything comes for free. I also know that free software comes from freedom and does not mean software for free. Every project needs funding. Therefore I hope that someday "someone" will find interest and give funding to a Desktop FreeBSD project that latin-americans and the caribbeans could use. I like very much your work. Best regards, Braulio Solano Rojas > Hello Sirs, > First thank you all for making such an > beautiful, robust and elegant OS. I have a dream....to > make worlds best free bsd based desktop system in the > world .....but why do I want that (freebsd does great > on servers ...and why do we need this ?) ..Bcos > billions of people who desktop system have no real > choice ...they are stuck with M$ and further confused > by hundreds of linux variants......they need a > INTUITIVE, EASY to USE ,FRIENDLY > which is also easy to manage centrally in a cooperate > environments has binary compatibilities , SECURE and > Virus free . I think freebsd provides this ......after > all MAc OS X is based on it.... i also went to drawin > + gnu drawin site ...failed to find anything > interesting (and confusing license) > > I think we should have a elegant graphical install > graphical install ->> can we boot from bootable CD > (lik e knoppix) and then run a install program (which > maybe web(from the bootable cd)/perl-gtk script based > GUI software for easy install....this will allow us to > easily install the system with out low level > installation > Easy Management(scallable to thousands of system)->p2p > based software distribution system like bittorent or > jaxta to pull heavy software package then use port > ystem to finally install > Centrall Administration & policies -> Samba + Openldap > + phpLDAPadmin + policies (???) > Autonomic healing - ??? > Stateless BSD (like redhats stateless linux project) > > I know my dream is worth while .....one day people > will use freeBsd variant as thier desktop ...which > will never crash nor complain > > I have a dream .....it called MyBSD (most easy to use > , friendly freeBSD based desktop in the world and > administrator’s delight ) > > Pl give your feedback/ suggestions / hate mails > > regards, > BSD Romeo > gp > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 21:32:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BE2116A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:32:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost.mtu-net.ru (ppp83-237-169-35.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [83.237.169.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EECD943D48 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:32:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from zevlg@yandex.ru) Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.my.domain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB1IQZFq000564 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:26:36 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from zevlg@yandex.ru) Received: (from lg@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iAUN8b2U001011; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 02:08:37 +0300 (MSK) (envelope-from zevlg@yandex.ru) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: lg set sender to zevlg@yandex.ru using -f To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org From: Zajcev Evgeny X-Face: "5}C(Ve&0,cfnPM*.j!SMQTCsm^+Wk+i~W\_k9qVJdd*uc#}o)(YzI"M*@M9{xWh4WV-o7hq0CBmtE%(4J(Qw1y@JpI,Eb3".Y/qD|O/]'nD Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 02:08:36 +0300 Message-ID: <86r7mb7x57.fsf@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1002 (Gnus v5.10.2) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: 5.3 release snd_ich strange behaviour X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 21:32:24 -0000 I've installed 5.3-RELEASE recently and pretty happy with it. But i've noticed some strange behaviour. I've added snd_ich_load="YES" to my /boot/loader.conf to enable sound in boot time. Reboot machine and everything was working ok. But then i noticed that cooler on my notebook starts more often then without snd_ich. Running top shows that machine is about 15-20% in interrupts. Unloading snd_ich makes top showing interrups about 0-1%. Then i loaded snd_ich by hand (kldload snd_ich) and the problem dissapeared, top shows 0-1% and cooler starts as without snd_ich. I commented this string in /boot/loader.conf and rebooted the machine. Then load snd_ich by hand. Everything is ok! I assumed that it was some strange thing and uncommented string in loader.conf and rebooted. The situation with 15-20% inturrupts repeeted! However kldunload & kldload resolves it. So the only suitable solution for me was to load snd_ich using rc.d Thanks! PS: I have iRU intro 1214 notebook with acpi enabled. -- lg From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 22:02:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9076116A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:02:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3BF143D3F; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:02:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1M67lv063104; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:06:07 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:02:40 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "current@freebsd.org" X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:02:28 -0000 All, I know that I said last month that we were going to stop promising specific features for the next major release. However, I'd like to throw out a list of things that would be really nice to have in the future, whether its 6.0 or 7.0 or whatever. Most of these tasks are not trivial, but I hope that talking about them will encourage some interest. These are in no particular priority order. I'd also be thrilled if someone wanted to dress this list up in docbook and add it to the webpage. While this is just my personal list, I'd welcome other additions to it (in the sense of significant projects, not just individual PRs or bug fixes that one might be interested in). 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this on mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is being made so I'm listing it here. 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can collaborate with them on it. 3. Native PCI Express support. I keep on hoping to take care of this, but I never seem to have the time to get past designing it. This task includes 3 parts that are mostly independent. The first is support for the extended PCI config space and memio access method, the second is MSI, and the third is link QOS management. If anyone is interested here, please let me know. 4. Journaled filesystem. While we can debate the merits of speed and data integrety of journalling vs. softupdates, the simple fact remains that softupdates still requires a fsck run on recovery, and the multi-terabyte filesystems that are possible these days make fsck a very long and unpleasant experience, even with bg-fsck. There was work at some point at RPI to add journaling to UFS, but there hasn't been much status on that in a long time. There have also been proposals and works-in-progress to port JFS, ReiserFS, and XFS. Some of these efforts are still alive, but they need to be seen through to completion. But at the risk of opening a can of worms here, I'll say that it's also important to explore non-GPL alternatives. 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source code, so exploring this would be very interesting. 6. Overhaul CAM, add iSCSI. CAM is very parallel-SCSI centric right now. I have some work-in-progress in Perforce to address this, but it's pretty minimal. The parallel SCSI knowledge needs to be separated out and the stack need to be able to cleanly deal with iSCSI, SCSI, SAS, and maybe even ATA transports. There is a Lucent implementation of iSCSI for FreeBSD 4.x that could be a useful reference, though it's a monolithic stack that doesn't really address the shortcomings of CAM. Having iSCSI infrastructure that supported both hardware and software implementations would be ideal. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 22:14:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D346D16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:14:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF95D43D5D for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 22:14:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 21817 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2004 22:05:52 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 1 Dec 2004 22:05:52 -0000 Message-ID: <41AE424F.1010707@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:14:39 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 22:14:45 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > All, > > I know that I said last month that we were going to stop promising > specific features for the next major release. However, I'd like to > throw out a list of things that would be really nice to have in the > future, whether its 6.0 or 7.0 or whatever. Most of these tasks are > not trivial, but I hope that talking about them will encourage some > interest. These are in no particular priority order. I'd also be > thrilled if someone wanted to dress this list up in docbook and add > it to the webpage. While this is just my personal list, I'd welcome > other additions to it (in the sense of significant projects, not just > individual PRs or bug fixes that one might be interested in). > > 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making > ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. > Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real > keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty > effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this on > mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is being made > so I'm listing it here. > > 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but > the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's > fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder > and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also > fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. > The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area > (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can > collaborate with them on it. > > 3. Native PCI Express support. I keep on hoping to take care of this, > but I never seem to have the time to get past designing it. This task > includes 3 parts that are mostly independent. The first is support for > the extended PCI config space and memio access method, the second is > MSI, and the third is link QOS management. If anyone is interested > here, please let me know. > > 4. Journaled filesystem. While we can debate the merits of speed and > data integrety of journalling vs. softupdates, the simple fact remains > that softupdates still requires a fsck run on recovery, and the > multi-terabyte filesystems that are possible these days make fsck a very > long and unpleasant experience, even with bg-fsck. There was work at > some point at RPI to add journaling to UFS, but there hasn't been much > status on that in a long time. There have also been proposals and > works-in-progress to port JFS, ReiserFS, and XFS. Some of these efforts > are still alive, but they need to be seen through to completion. But at > the risk of opening a can of worms here, I'll say that it's also > important to explore non-GPL alternatives. > > 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and > clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many > storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very > powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source > code, so exploring this would be very interesting. > > 6. Overhaul CAM, add iSCSI. CAM is very parallel-SCSI centric right > now. I have some work-in-progress in Perforce to address this, but it's > pretty minimal. The parallel SCSI knowledge needs to be separated out > and the stack need to be able to cleanly deal with iSCSI, SCSI, SAS, and > maybe even ATA transports. There is a Lucent implementation of iSCSI > for FreeBSD 4.x that could be a useful reference, though it's a > monolithic stack that doesn't really address the shortcomings of CAM. > Having iSCSI infrastructure that supported both hardware and software > implementations would be ideal. Seeing all this storage related stuff is very interesting because I just stumbled across a company making a new digital Cinematography system that has 8Mpix and they say that using this in a day's worth shooting they end up with up to 6.63TB of raw digigal footage. In the end this is 398TB for an average feature movie. The camera delivers the images over quad-infiniband to the recording system at 400MB/s. Pretty impressive. http://www.dalsa.com/dc/workflow/storage.asp -- Andre From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:12:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D019D16A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:12:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailserv1.neuroflux.com (mailserv1.neuroflux.com [204.228.228.92]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 669AF43D55 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:12:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ryans@gamersimpact.com) Received: (qmail 37751 invoked by uid 89); 1 Dec 2004 23:10:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www2.neuroflux.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Dec 2004 23:10:57 -0000 Received: from 128.101.36.205 (SquirrelMail authenticated user ryans@gamersimpact.com); by www2.neuroflux.com with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:10:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <19549.128.101.36.205.1101942657.squirrel@128.101.36.205> In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:10:57 -0700 (MST) From: "Ryan Sommers" To: "Scott Long" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:12:10 -0000 Scott Long said: > 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but > the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's > fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder > and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also > fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. > The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area > (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can > collaborate with them on it. I've spent a good deal of time taking notes and diagrams of what I wanted from a new installer. However, time constraints have kept me from actually putting any of it to code yet. I've looked at the DFly installed quite a bit and I like what it offers, however, I have a few complaints with it. Quite honestly I wasn't impressed with the code. Another issue I had with the dfly installer was one point I believe needs to be central to any next-gen installer. Internationalisation. My idea of an installer front-end would use a dynamically loadable language library. All resources of the front-end (ie strings, images, etc) would be packaged into a seperate language-pack. These language-packs can then be grouped together into a language library. A few basic packs would be distributed with the default library but other libraries could easily be substituted to make localized distribution sets with little trouble. The benefit of this is that instead of translating the code you would only need to translate the language-(pack|library). I think this would greatly simplify translation and make a seperation between language and the front-end code. This is where my complaint with Dfly comes in, upon reading the source, there are string constants everywhere. Perhaps I am missing something, but this means that in order to supply localization support much work would need to be done to find some scheme that doesn't mean translating the source. I have quite a bit of notes on seperation and even down to specific methods and sub-libraries necessary for the back-end. Perhaps if I have some time soon I'll put it into a PDF somewhere. Has anyone else put much thought into this? -- Ryan Sommers ryans@gamersimpact.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:15:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F4E16A4D8; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:15:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5458943D55; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:15:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 799895128F; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:20:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:20:52 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: Ryan Sommers Message-ID: <20041201232052.GA35040@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <19549.128.101.36.205.1101942657.squirrel@128.101.36.205> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <19549.128.101.36.205.1101942657.squirrel@128.101.36.205> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:15:30 -0000 --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:10:57PM -0700, Ryan Sommers wrote: > Another issue I had with the dfly installer was one point I believe needs > to be central to any next-gen installer. Internationalisation. Careful not to pile on so many wishes that achieving anything becomes impossible. Our current installer doesn't do this, so it's not a hard requirement that a better installer should. Kris --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBrlHUWry0BWjoQKURAghzAKDO7eRLHstpiCO5yYwVGOBaEP+oFwCgklXv mFBLlZVUHfY3x2XjEv88ga8= =r4hn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:18:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC4F16A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:18:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3B343D2D; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:18:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1NMXI1063439; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:22:33 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AE5169.3000909@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:19:05 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kris Kennaway References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <19549.128.101.36.205.1101942657.squirrel@128.101.36.205> <20041201232052.GA35040@xor.obsecurity.org> In-Reply-To: <20041201232052.GA35040@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: Ryan Sommers cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:18:53 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:10:57PM -0700, Ryan Sommers wrote: > > >>Another issue I had with the dfly installer was one point I believe needs >>to be central to any next-gen installer. Internationalisation. > > > Careful not to pile on so many wishes that achieving anything becomes > impossible. Our current installer doesn't do this, so it's not a hard > requirement that a better installer should. > > Kris Internationalization is actually quite important, and is not easy to bolt on after the fact but is fairly easy to program to once the core is in place. The fact that sysinstall doesn't have it makes it no less important. Now this isn't a reason to reject the DFly work, but it could certainly be a good area for someone to contribute. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:33:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92AAB16A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:33:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [69.194.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F52343D2D; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:33:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D5226512C8; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:38:52 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:38:52 -0800 From: Kris Kennaway To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <20041201233852.GA35465@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:33:30 -0000 --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:29:10PM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > --On Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:02 PM -0700 Scott Long=20 > wrote: >=20 > >5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and > >clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many > >storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very > >powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source > >code, so exploring this would be very interesting. >=20 > This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a SAN= =20 > from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned in the=20 > above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. I'd be very interested to try using this for package builds, btw. Currently I have to rsync a lot of data to the remote build clients, which takes a very long time. Kris --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBrlYMWry0BWjoQKURAuIYAJwP6tHh/UB1YahRTXyGDKuWX8emnACgkTBP wK7YPPoftgaL+Tcrc9IBbtQ= =9SeW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:37:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874B616A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:37:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A3B43D55; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:37:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1NfR3l063532; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:41:27 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 16:37:59 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jason C. Wells" References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> In-Reply-To: <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:37:47 -0000 Jason C. Wells wrote: > --On Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:02 PM -0700 Scott Long > wrote: > >> 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and >> clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many >> storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very >> powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source >> code, so exploring this would be very interesting. > > > This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a > SAN from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned in > the above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. > > Later, > Jason C. Wells Well, AFS requires an intelligent node in front of each disk. True SAN clustering means that you have a web of disks directly connected to the SAN (iSCSI, FibreChannel, etc), and two or more servers on the SAN that see those disks as a single filesystem (actually a bit more complicated than this, but you get the point). If one server goes down, no access to data is lost since the disks can be reached from any other server on the SAN that is participating in the clustered FS. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:47:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE3616A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:47:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dan.emsphone.com (dan.emsphone.com [199.67.51.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C8343D31; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:47:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@dan.emsphone.com) Received: (from dan@localhost) by dan.emsphone.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) id iB1NlaAD074471; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:47:36 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dan) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:47:36 -0600 From: Dan Nelson To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <20041201234736.GX5518@dan.emsphone.com> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> X-OS: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE X-message-flag: Outlook Error User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:47:37 -0000 In the last episode (Dec 01), Jason C. Wells said: > --On Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:02 PM -0700 Scott Long > wrote: > > >5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and > >clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many > >storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very > >powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source > >code, so exploring this would be very interesting. > > This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a > SAN from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned > in the above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. OpenAFS is a network-centric system that replicates data across its nodes, I think, and each node has a cache. A clustered filesystem uses a single block of shared storage (usually on a fibre-channel SAN, but you can also use shared scsi on a 2-machine cluster) that all servers access directly. The magic is getting the locking right to make sure the servers don't stomp on each other's data. Extremely useful for server farms that need to share large files, or even lots of small files (webservers for example). -- Dan Nelson dnelson@allantgroup.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 00:29:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E50516A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.bayarea.net [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E0843D53; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:29:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB20Tdb6003035; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:29:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel@ns1.xcllnt.net) Received: (from marcel@localhost) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB20Td43003034; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:29:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from marcel) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 16:29:39 -0800 From: Marcel Moolenaar To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20041202002939.GA2834@ns1.xcllnt.net> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:29:40 -0000 On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:02:40PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > > 1. Keyboard multiplexer. I actually fail to stop thinking about a complete syscons and pcvt replacement. You know, the one and only console implementation that makes all others obsolete. Big plans, little time, yada yada yada... > 2. New installer. It may actually be interesting to see if we can make an expert system for this. When I think about implementing an installer (alas I've been doing that), I'm not so much interested in how things are packaged, or how it looks but rather what needs to be done, when and how all these actions relate and interact with each other. This is especially tricky when actions are triggered by the current configuration of the machine onto which one tries to install. Knowing all the possible activities and their dependencies should help establish a control flow through the installation process in such a way that users get asked only those questions that are relevent and also when it matters. One puts a UI on top of this to get a nice looking installer. At least, that's how I look at it... -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 00:39:48 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA1116A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:39:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B2343D49; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:39:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB20hSLB063844; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 17:43:29 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AE6460.6040603@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:40:00 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcel Moolenaar References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202002939.GA2834@ns1.xcllnt.net> In-Reply-To: <20041202002939.GA2834@ns1.xcllnt.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:39:48 -0000 Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:02:40PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > >>1. Keyboard multiplexer. > > > I actually fail to stop thinking about a complete syscons and pcvt > replacement. You know, the one and only console implementation that > makes all others obsolete. Big plans, little time, yada yada yada... > > >>2. New installer. > > > It may actually be interesting to see if we can make an expert > system for this. When I think about implementing an installer (alas > I've been doing that), I'm not so much interested in how things are > packaged, or how it looks but rather what needs to be done, when and > how all these actions relate and interact with each other. This is > especially tricky when actions are triggered by the current > configuration of the machine onto which one tries to install. Knowing > all the possible activities and their dependencies should help > establish a control flow through the installation process in such a > way that users get asked only those questions that are relevent and > also when it matters. One puts a UI on top of this to get a nice > looking installer. At least, that's how I look at it... > Yeah, I've had many similar thoughts. The hard part of a new installer, or any complex UI application, is the framework that ties events and actions together. The easy part is writing the modules on top of that that do the discrete actions. While I see quite a few rough edges in the upper layers of the DF installer, it seems like quite a bit of work is going into the framework, and that's why I'm actually so interested in it. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 01:18:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CCA16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:18:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from drago.fomokka.net (drago.fomokka.net [140.117.205.233]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F8D43D53; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:18:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from foxfair@drago.fomokka.net) Received: from drago.fomokka.net (ohwnsp@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by drago.fomokka.net (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iB21HwVD081727; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:18:01 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from foxfair@drago.fomokka.net) Received: (from foxfair@localhost) by drago.fomokka.net (8.12.11/8.12.8/Submit) id iB21Hwvb081726; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:17:58 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:17:58 +0800 From: Foxfair Hu To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 280C A846 CA1B CAC9 DDCF F4CB D553 4BD5 4E9B CA59 X-PGP-KeyID: 1024D/0x4E9BCA59 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: foxfair@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:18:09 -0000 --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:02:40PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > All, >=20 [....] >=20 > 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making > ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. > Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real > keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty > effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this on > mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is being made > so I'm listing it here. How about reuse NetBSD's wscons ? I've kept an eye on it and thought it should be a good start for FreeBSD. foxfair --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBrm1G1VNL1U6bylkRAuU5AKCxy/r9HetJDedMpWKCoeEMUpzYgACfYjtr 5/VsLoa21PEC12e9DeNfI7A= =3uzN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --tKW2IUtsqtDRztdT-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 01:23:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C5316A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:23:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [199.185.220.240]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DC043D48 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:23:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pfak@telus.net) Received: from [192.168.1.150] (really [64.180.28.217]) by priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.netESMTP <20041202012334.OVLT8584.priv-edtnes84.telusplanet.net@[192.168.1.150]> for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:23:34 -0700 Message-ID: <41AE6E98.1070202@telus.net> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 17:23:36 -0800 From: Peter Kieser User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:23:35 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but > the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's > fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder > and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also > fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. > The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area > (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can > collaborate with them on it. Please, don't change /stand/sysinstall *too* much, there is really nothing wrong with the interface of it, and it's what makes FreeBSD so "quick" to install. At the very least, make sure you do NOT go for an XFree86 installation, and keep to the "KISS" approach. Visually wise, theres nothing wrong with the current installer.. and its one of the things I "promote" about FreeBSD -- the ease to install. It's small, its fast.. and it works, however in error situations it does mess up badly. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 01:41:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EAA016A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:41:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 263FA43D1D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:41:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB21jLWS064056; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:45:21 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AE72E0.4080107@freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:41:52 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foxfair@freebsd.org References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> In-Reply-To: <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 01:41:41 -0000 Foxfair Hu wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:02:40PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > >>All, >> > > [....] > >>1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making >>ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. >>Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real >>keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty >>effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this on >>mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is being made >>so I'm listing it here. > > > How about reuse NetBSD's wscons ? I've kept an eye on it and thought > it should be a good start for FreeBSD. > > > foxfair > If it provides keyboard mux'ing like we need, then please go and give it a shot. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 03:54:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6676716A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:54:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0B543D60; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:54:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB23qHaE078235; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 20:52:17 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 20:53:22 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20041201.205322.102612548.imp@bsdimp.com> To: scottl@freebsd.org From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:54:39 -0000 In message: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Scott Long writes: : 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making : ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. : Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real : keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty : effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this on : mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is being made : so I'm listing it here. There aready are multiplexers in the kernel. The problem is that we need a many to one mux that is the OR of all the ones installed. We can current set WHICH keyboard is connected to the mux, but can't say 'ALL OF THEM' at all. I believe that Brooks Davis has said he's working on this. Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 05:14:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFE516A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:14:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ims-1.prv.ampira.com (ims-1.ampira.com [66.179.231.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4D643D62; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:14:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalp@acm.org) Received: from [202.142.94.194] (helo=[172.16.3.26]) by ims-1.prv.ampira.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CZjFX-0005S4-KO; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: <41AEA4B8.6080508@acm.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:44:32 +0530 From: "Kamal R. Prasad" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: "Jason C. Wells" cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 05:14:51 -0000 I find X windows to be a bit too compute intensive. Maybe something like apple's interface would be a good alternative [for those who don't need X-windows' powerful graphic features]. regards -kamal Scott Long wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: > >> --On Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:02 PM -0700 Scott Long >> wrote: >> >>> 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and >>> clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many >>> storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very >>> powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source >>> code, so exploring this would be very interesting. >> >> >> >> This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a >> SAN from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned >> in the above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. >> >> Later, >> Jason C. Wells > > > Well, AFS requires an intelligent node in front of each disk. True SAN > clustering means that you have a web of disks directly connected to the > SAN (iSCSI, FibreChannel, etc), and two or more servers on the SAN that > see those disks as a single filesystem (actually a bit more complicated > than this, but you get the point). If one server goes down, no access > to data is lost since the disks can be reached from any other server on > the SAN that is participating in the clustered FS. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 05:55:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A41916A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:55:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2649E43D1D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:55:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhay@icomtek.csir.co.za) Received: from zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za (localhost [127.0.0.1]) iB25sua8084933; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:54:56 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jhay@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za) Received: (from jhay@localhost)iB25ssUj084932; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:54:54 +0200 (SAST) (envelope-from jhay) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:54:54 +0200 From: John Hay To: Marcel Moolenaar Message-ID: <20041202055454.GA84339@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202002939.GA2834@ns1.xcllnt.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041202002939.GA2834@ns1.xcllnt.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 05:55:02 -0000 > > > > 1. Keyboard multiplexer. > > I actually fail to stop thinking about a complete syscons and pcvt > replacement. You know, the one and only console implementation that > makes all others obsolete. Big plans, little time, yada yada yada... It would be nice if one would still be able to use the keyboards separately too, even if you have to recompile the kernel for that. One nice usage would be on HP's quad kiosk machine. It is a single processor box with 4 x screen, keyboard and mouse, and then 4 people can use it. John -- John Hay -- John.Hay@icomtek.csir.co.za / jhay@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 06:33:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C6A16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:33:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from harmony.village.org (rover.village.org [168.103.84.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC95343D60; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:33:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Received: from localhost (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by harmony.village.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB26WlhI079977; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:32:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from imp@bsdimp.com) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:33:45 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <20041201.233345.83691449.imp@bsdimp.com> To: jhay@icomtek.csir.co.za From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20041202055454.GA84339@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202002939.GA2834@ns1.xcllnt.net> <20041202055454.GA84339@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> X-Mailer: Mew version 3.3 on Emacs 21.3 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: scottl@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org cc: marcel@xcllnt.net Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:33:28 -0000 In message: <20041202055454.GA84339@zibbi.icomtek.csir.co.za> John Hay writes: : > > 1. Keyboard multiplexer. : > : > I actually fail to stop thinking about a complete syscons and pcvt : > replacement. You know, the one and only console implementation that : > makes all others obsolete. Big plans, little time, yada yada yada... : : It would be nice if one would still be able to use the keyboards : separately too, even if you have to recompile the kernel for that. : One nice usage would be on HP's quad kiosk machine. It is a single : processor box with 4 x screen, keyboard and mouse, and then 4 people : can use it. I think that making it just another driver that knows about the keyboard mux would make this possible in the short term... Hmmm, maybe it is time for me to STFU and hack together what I'm thinking :-) Warner From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 06:55:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E780D16A4CF; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:55:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (73.Red-213-97-200.pooles.rima-tde.net [213.97.200.73]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0E643D31; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 06:55:39 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org) Received: from scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org (scienide.energyhq.es.eu.org [192.168.100.1]) by mindfields.energyhq.es.eu.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C1BF034FE8; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:55:36 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:55:30 +0100 From: Miguel Mendez To: "Kamal R. Prasad" Message-Id: <20041202075530.3b33db1b.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> In-Reply-To: <41AEA4B8.6080508@acm.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> <41AEA4B8.6080508@acm.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.99-gtk2-20041024 (GTK+ 2.4.13; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="Signature=_Thu__2_Dec_2004_07_55_30_+0100_xTa2dyNsftvMXwT3" cc: jcw@highperformance.net cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: scottl@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 06:55:44 -0000 --Signature=_Thu__2_Dec_2004_07_55_30_+0100_xTa2dyNsftvMXwT3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:44:32 +0530 "Kamal R. Prasad" wrote: [Please don't top-post] > I find X windows to be a bit too compute intensive. Maybe something > like apple's interface would be a good alternative [for those who > don't need X-windows' powerful graphic features]. What makes you think so? X was originally desgined for systems with little memory and processing power, certainly a lot less than today's AMD and Intel space heaters. There are some features that do indeed require more CPU, like antialiasing. That's the price to pay for eye candy. Things like the composite and damage extensions do wonders to help in those areas and make things like true transparency and alpha blending possible. So, in time, X won't be that different from Aqua in its use of hardware. The lack of speed in some apps can be blamed mostly on the toolkits. GTK+ 1.2 was a speed demon, GTK+ 2.x is a lot slower. There are some people working on a fast Pango code path that could make english text rendering fast again. X gives you network transparency out of the box. I used an old SGI Indy as an X term to connect to my FreeBSD box for years, and it worked like a charm over a 10Mbit connection. Replacing X means writing something that's API compatible, or writing an X server on top of your new display system, so that you don't have to throw the thousands of X apps into the trashcan. About some of the other comments in the thread. IMHO using bsdinstaller as a base could be beneficial for both groups and save duplicated work. I'm sure they'll be glad to get internacionalization patches. I agree that a journaled filesystem is really needed if you want to manage multi TiB partitions. As rock solid and tested softupdates is, fsck is not an acceptable solution in this case. Some people were working on a port of XFS, has any progress been made? I tried contacting them some time ago, but never got an answer. Sounds like a very interesting, though. Cheers, -- Miguel Mendez | lea gfx_lib(pc),a1 http://www.energyhq.es.eu.org | moveq #0,d0 PGP Key: 0xDC8514F1 | move.l 4.w,a6 Note: All HTML mail goes to /dev/null | jsr -552(a6) --Signature=_Thu__2_Dec_2004_07_55_30_+0100_xTa2dyNsftvMXwT3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFBrrxlnLctrNyFFPERAoDuAKCSUllmrrJ4eaURl0tzPtkEeqtwpACfYRdD tX7U7jnM5i5lY5EfB++TYx8= =HXfX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Thu__2_Dec_2004_07_55_30_+0100_xTa2dyNsftvMXwT3-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 08:01:13 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FA416A56E; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:01:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECB143D45; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:01:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from [213.51.128.133] (port=60395 helo=smtp2.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CZltl-0000AY-8m; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:01:09 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:3098 helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtp2.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CZltk-0006xk-92; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:01:08 +0100 Message-ID: <41AECBC5.2060608@sitetronics.com> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:01:09 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Sommers References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <19549.128.101.36.205.1101942657.squirrel@128.101.36.205> In-Reply-To: <19549.128.101.36.205.1101942657.squirrel@128.101.36.205> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 08:01:13 -0000 Ryan Sommers wrote: > Scott Long said: > >>2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but >>the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's >>fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder >>and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also >>fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. >>The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area >>(www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can >>collaborate with them on it. > > > I've spent a good deal of time taking notes and diagrams of what I wanted > from a new installer. However, time constraints have kept me from actually > putting any of it to code yet. > > I've looked at the DFly installed quite a bit and I like what it offers, > however, I have a few complaints with it. Quite honestly I wasn't > impressed with the code. > > Another issue I had with the dfly installer was one point I believe needs > to be central to any next-gen installer. Internationalisation. My idea of > an installer front-end would use a dynamically loadable language library. > All resources of the front-end (ie strings, images, etc) would be packaged > into a seperate language-pack. These language-packs can then be grouped > together into a language library. A few basic packs would be distributed > with the default library but other libraries could easily be substituted > to make localized distribution sets with little trouble. > > The benefit of this is that instead of translating the code you would only > need to translate the language-(pack|library). I think this would greatly > simplify translation and make a seperation between language and the > front-end code. > > This is where my complaint with Dfly comes in, upon reading the source, > there are string constants everywhere. Perhaps I am missing something, but > this means that in order to supply localization support much work would > need to be done to find some scheme that doesn't mean translating the > source. > > I have quite a bit of notes on seperation and even down to specific > methods and sub-libraries necessary for the back-end. Perhaps if I have > some time soon I'll put it into a PDF somewhere. > > Has anyone else put much thought into this? Yes, we have. I18n is something that we're actively working on implementing, and is something that we take quite seriously. I know that not very many FreeBSD developers use IRC, but we are all available in #dfinstaller on EFNet. We're using gettext for this at the moment. Kind regards, Devon H. O'Dell From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 09:00:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF5016A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:00:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from kraid.nerim.net (smtp-104-thursday.nerim.net [62.4.16.104]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE59643D45; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:59:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from e-masson@kisoft-services.com) Received: from srvbsdnanssv.interne.kisoft-services.com (kisoftacces2.net1.nerim.net [62.212.107.52]) by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758A041B52; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:59:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])06594C37C; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:59:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from srvbsdnanssv.interne.kisoft-services.com ([127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 63158-07; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:59:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by srvbsdnanssv.interne.kisoft-services.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2EE5CC372; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 09:59:48 +0100 (CET) To: Scott Long From: Eric Masson In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> (Scott Long's message of "Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:02:40 -0700") References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 5.3-STABLE i386 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:59:47 +0100 Message-ID: <86d5xtf530.fsf@srvbsdnanssv.interne.kisoft-services.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1006 (Gnus v5.10.6) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at interne.kisoft-services.com cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 09:00:00 -0000 >>>>> "Scott" == Scott Long writes: Hi, Scott> 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with Scott> making ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work Scott> with KVMs. Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the Scott> various real keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this Scott> mess pretty effectively. I know that there has been a lot of Scott> talk about this on mailing lists recently but I don't know how Scott> much progress is being made so I'm listing it here. NetBSD's wscons seems to fit in this scheme, OpenBSD has adopted it as well (the most featured implementation is in NetBSD/i386). Scott> 6. Overhaul CAM, add iSCSI. CAM is very parallel-SCSI centric Scott> right now. I have some work-in-progress in Perforce to address Scott> this, but it's pretty minimal. The parallel SCSI knowledge needs Scott> to be separated out and the stack need to be able to cleanly Scott> deal with iSCSI, SCSI, SAS, and maybe even ATA transports. There Scott> is a Lucent implementation of iSCSI for FreeBSD 4.x that could Scott> be a useful reference, though it's a monolithic stack that Scott> doesn't really address the shortcomings of CAM. Having iSCSI Scott> infrastructure that supported both hardware and software Scott> implementations would be ideal. It would be really nice to be able to play in the iscsi field. It seems that work has been done in this area by Wasabi (not published in NetBSD, iirc) Very appealing goals, if only I were a decent coder... Éric Masson -- je pense pas que ce soit toi....tu es bien trop vicieux pour agir de cette façon. Toi ton genre, c'est plus de contacter banque direct en esperant que je n'auras pas mes cadeaux de parrainages!!!!! -+- JD in : Petit neuneu Noël -+- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 10:26:47 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4402416A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:26:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AD743D58 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:26:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmz@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (jmz@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2AQknk045652 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:26:46 GMT (envelope-from jmz@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from jmz@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB2AQk5G045649; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:26:46 GMT (envelope-from jmz) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:26:46 GMT Message-Id: <200412021026.iB2AQk5G045649@freefall.freebsd.org> From: Jean-Marc Zucconi To: hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Emacs 21.3.1 Subject: puc device X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:26:47 -0000 Are there known problems with this device? I can't get it to work because the driver fails in puc_pci_attach() when allocating resources at res = bus_alloc_resource(dev, SYS_RES_IOPORT, &rid, 0ul, ~0ul, 1, RF_ACTIVE); As this is a pci device and the I/O ports are not used by another hardware piece, why does bus_alloc_resource() returns NULL here? This is on a 4.10 system but I tried to boot with a 5.3 kernel and the behavior is the same. Jean-Marc Copyright (c) 1992-2004 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD 4.10-RELEASE #30: Wed Dec 1 23:12:23 CET 2004 jmz@nyx.dalai-zebu.org:/u4/src/sys/compile/GW Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz Timecounter "TSC" frequency 800033013 Hz CPU: AMD Duron(tm) Processor (800.03-MHz 686-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x631 Stepping = 1 Features=0x183f9ff AMD Features=0xc0440000 real memory = 134217728 (131072K bytes) avail memory = 126644224 (123676K bytes) Preloaded elf kernel "kernel.new" at 0xc03f5000. Pentium Pro MTRR support enabled Using $PIR table, 7 entries at 0xc00fdd00 npx0: on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface pcib0: on motherboard pci0: on pcib0 pcib1: at device 1.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 isab0: at device 7.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 atapci0: port 0xc000-0xc00f at device 7.1 on pci0 atapci0: Correcting VIA config for southbridge data corruption bug ata0: at 0x1f0 irq 14 on atapci0 ata1: at 0x170 irq 15 on atapci0 pci0: (vendor=0x1106, dev=0x3057) at 7.4 chip1: port 0xd400-0xd403,0xd000-0xd003,0xcc00-0xccff irq 15 at device 7.5 on pci0 trm0: port 0xd800-0xd8ff mem 0xd9001000-0xd9001fff irq 15 at device 11.0 on pci0 tl0: port 0xdc00-0xdc0f mem 0xd9000000-0xd900000f irq 10 at device 13.0 on pci0 tl0: Ethernet address: 00:80:5f:27:40:72 miibus0: on tl0 nsphy0: on miibus0 nsphy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, auto tlphy0: on miibus0 tlphy0: 10base2/BNC, 10base5/AUI puc0: port 0xe400-0xe407,0xe000-0xe007 irq 10 at device 17.0 on pci0 could not get resource could not get resource -- Jean-Marc Zucconi -- PGP Key: finger jmz@FreeBSD.org [KeyID: 400B38E9] From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 10:33:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E8E16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:33:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5FC43D2D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:33:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2AXerc093693; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:33:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Scott Long From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:02:40 MST." <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <93692.1101983620@critter.freebsd.dk> Sender: phk@critter.freebsd.dk cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:33:42 -0000 In message <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org>, Scott Long writes: >All, > >I know that I said last month that we were going to stop promising >specific features for the next major release. However, I'd like to >throw out a list of things that would be really nice to have in the >future, whether its 6.0 or 7.0 or whatever. >[...] >1. Keyboard multiplexer. [...] >2. New installer. [...] >3. Native PCI Express support. [...] >4. Journaled filesystem. [...] >5. Clustered FS support. [...] >6. Overhaul CAM, add iSCSI. [...] I agree on all of the above but I think we also need to have things on the list that doesn't take super hackers, and architectural reviews. So let us add the following points which I think are just as, if not more important for FreeBSDs future: 7. More people writing FreeBSD related articles for online and traditional media. If you have never written a piece about FreeBSD, how about sending something to your local IT trade rag ? Heck, even your local paper will probably run it if you send them a piece. 8. More people stomping for FreeBSD in universities and schools. Have you actually offered the science/IT teachers at the local hi-school to pop around and give a lesson on this open source phenomena to their pupils ? Or call your local college and ask if they need a teaching assistant for their evening courses in IT ? 9. A band of happy 1st line reponders dealing with PRs etc. We're getting better at this, but one way to really gain users is to help them when they need it most: right when they begin. 10. A more dynamic and interesting www.freebsd.org frontpage. Come on, at least we should be able to beat the "Congressional Record" when it comes to being interesting. 11. More people attending BSDcon conferences. Come to BSDcan2005! come to the next EuroBSDcon or AsiaBSDcon. Or make your own mini conference! Many Linux User groups would welcome you if you offered to give a talk about FreeBSD on one of their evenings. 12. Research/Coding grants (3/6/12 months) from the FreeBSD Foundation and other deep(er) pockets to help some of the heavy lifting happen. We're not only in it for the money, but money surely helps. And I'd like to stress that none of the above requires you to get permission from the core team, just go out and do it! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 13:26:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994FA16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:26:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC34743D2D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pblok@bsd4all.org) Received: from mail.bsd4all.org by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 113-9.bbned.dsl.internl.net [82.215.9.113] with ESMTP id iB2DQl7N019756 (8.12.10/2.04); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bsd4all.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B9A9C; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.bsd4all.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fwgw [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00863-07; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from ntpc (ntpc [192.168.1.138]) by mail.bsd4all.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FCC85; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:39 +0100 (CET) From: "Peter Blok" To: "'Scott Long'" , Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:25:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTX8aDqii43GAVPRRmNKzED0+X35gAf+iUg Message-Id: <20041202132639.13FCC85@mail.bsd4all.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at bsd4all.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:26:51 -0000 As far as the iSCSI stuff, I have the Lucent stuff and am trying to use it as a reference to build an iSCSI target. I have been experimenting a bit. The design goal is to have the negotiation stuff running in a user daemon, while the target data handling is completely in the kernel. I was thinking about using netgraph for the network side of things. On the "disk" side of things I am thinking about a geom provider, but not initially. Initially I will send the SCSI CDBs directly to a tape drive that is used for testing purposes. The project I need this for is to offer a FreeBSD connected tape library to a Windoze box with iSCSI and use native NTBACKUP. Later on the FreeBSD target will be geom based. Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Scott Long Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:03 PM To: current@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: My project wish-list for the next 12 months All, I know that I said last month that we were going to stop promising specific features for the next major release. However, I'd like to throw out a list of things that would be really nice to have in the future, whether its 6.0 or 7.0 or whatever. Most of these tasks are not trivial, but I hope that talking about them will encourage some interest. These are in no particular priority order. I'd also be thrilled if someone wanted to dress this list up in docbook and add it to the webpage. While this is just my personal list, I'd welcome other additions to it (in the sense of significant projects, not just individual PRs or bug fixes that one might be interested in). 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this on mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is being made so I'm listing it here. 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can collaborate with them on it. 3. Native PCI Express support. I keep on hoping to take care of this, but I never seem to have the time to get past designing it. This task includes 3 parts that are mostly independent. The first is support for the extended PCI config space and memio access method, the second is MSI, and the third is link QOS management. If anyone is interested here, please let me know. 4. Journaled filesystem. While we can debate the merits of speed and data integrety of journalling vs. softupdates, the simple fact remains that softupdates still requires a fsck run on recovery, and the multi-terabyte filesystems that are possible these days make fsck a very long and unpleasant experience, even with bg-fsck. There was work at some point at RPI to add journaling to UFS, but there hasn't been much status on that in a long time. There have also been proposals and works-in-progress to port JFS, ReiserFS, and XFS. Some of these efforts are still alive, but they need to be seen through to completion. But at the risk of opening a can of worms here, I'll say that it's also important to explore non-GPL alternatives. 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source code, so exploring this would be very interesting. 6. Overhaul CAM, add iSCSI. CAM is very parallel-SCSI centric right now. I have some work-in-progress in Perforce to address this, but it's pretty minimal. The parallel SCSI knowledge needs to be separated out and the stack need to be able to cleanly deal with iSCSI, SCSI, SAS, and maybe even ATA transports. There is a Lucent implementation of iSCSI for FreeBSD 4.x that could be a useful reference, though it's a monolithic stack that doesn't really address the shortcomings of CAM. Having iSCSI infrastructure that supported both hardware and software implementations would be ideal. _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:15:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 572E816A4CF for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:15:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 73F4243D55 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:15:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 19473 invoked by uid 65534); 1 Dec 2004 23:14:58 -0000 Received: from pD955F624.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO lofi.dyndns.org) (217.85.246.36) by mail.gmx.net (mp009) with SMTP; 02 Dec 2004 00:14:58 +0100 X-Authenticated: #443188 Received: from kiste.my.domain (kiste.my.domain [192.168.8.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by lofi.dyndns.org (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB1NEbRA069932 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:14:39 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from michaelnottebrock@gmx.net) From: Michael Nottebrock To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:14:31 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AE424F.1010707@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE424F.1010707@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart3251719.gJtNvGkTu7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200412020014.35936.michaelnottebrock@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:34 +0000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:15:01 -0000 --nextPart3251719.gJtNvGkTu7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday, 1. December 2004 23:14, Andre Oppermann wrote: > Scott Long wrote: > > All, > > > > I know that I said last month that we were going to stop promising > > specific features for the next major release. However, I'd like to > > throw out a list of things that would be really nice to have in the > > future, whether its 6.0 or 7.0 or whatever. Most of these tasks are > > not trivial, but I hope that talking about them will encourage some > > interest. These are in no particular priority order. I'd also be > > thrilled if someone wanted to dress this list up in docbook and add > > it to the webpage. While this is just my personal list, I'd welcome > > other additions to it (in the sense of significant projects, not just Suspend-to-Disk support. I remember somebody thinking aloud about howit wou= ld=20 be possible to implement it, Linux has got it recently, and it's one heck o= f=20 a feature for mobile computing (but not only). =2D-=20 ,_, | Michael Nottebrock | lofi@freebsd.org (/^ ^\) | FreeBSD - The Power to Serve | http://www.freebsd.org \u/ | K Desktop Environment on FreeBSD | http://freebsd.kde.org --nextPart3251719.gJtNvGkTu7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBBrlBbXhc68WspdLARAvv7AJ9am+ziTRq8XTc6GkIKqVJu5e0YFgCeNFTB eqEC6xnZ0/jc/+I2M+yH0C8= =weJ6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart3251719.gJtNvGkTu7-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:29:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F36516A4CE; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:29:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from s1.stradamotorsports.com (ip30.gte215.dsl-acs2.sea.iinet.com [209.20.215.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DA443D2F; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:29:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from [192.168.1.16] (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) iB1NT98m016005; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:29:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:29:10 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" To: Scott Long , current@freebsd.org Message-ID: <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.5 (Win32) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES version=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:34 +0000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:29:12 -0000 --On Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:02 PM -0700 Scott Long wrote: > 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and > clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many > storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very > powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source > code, so exploring this would be very interesting. This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a SAN from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned in the above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. Later, Jason C. Wells From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 1 23:53:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CE2716A4CE for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:53:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [128.30.28.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492BC43D54 for ; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 23:53:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB1Nrlaa095051 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK CN=khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu issuer=SSL+20Client+20CA); Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:53:48 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id iB1NrlWY095048; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:53:47 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:53:47 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200412012353.iB1NrlWY095048@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:34 +0000 cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 23:53:49 -0000 < said: > This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a SAN > from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned in the > above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. AFS's consistency model is wholly unsuitable for clustering. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 00:03:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C99216A4CF for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:03:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wbm2.pair.net (wbm2.pair.net [209.68.3.43]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB14943D41 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:03:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from braulio@solsoft.co.cr) Received: (qmail 56108 invoked by uid 65534); 2 Dec 2004 00:03:32 -0000 Received: from 163.178.18.3 ([163.178.18.3]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user braulio@solsoft.co.cr); by webmail2.pair.com with HTTP; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:03:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <50993.163.178.18.3.1101945812.squirrel@163.178.18.3> In-Reply-To: <1101942335.17919.51.camel@jee.workstation.local> References: <20041201181152.86176.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> <21434.163.178.18.3.1101934441.squirrel@163.178.18.3> <1101942335.17919.51.camel@jee.workstation.local> Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 19:03:32 -0500 (EST) From: braulio@solsoft.co.cr To: "Samy Al Bahra" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a X-Mailer: SquirrelMail/1.4.3a MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:34 +0000 cc: freeBsd Romeo Subject: Re: My freebsd dream X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:03:33 -0000 Good evening... > Hello :) > >> As a latinamerican a dream >> I have a dream.... > > Dreams are useless until you work towards approaching them. Maybe the > both of you can work together and accomplish your dreams or help others > do this for you. > > I urge you to check > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/contributing/index.html > out. -hackers@ is meant for technical discussion, maybe post again with > a contribution or an offer to catalyze the development of contributions > :) > > Thanks, and good luck. There is some much we could say about dreams that I will not start my reply with something related. I am already in a Open Source project and I am really happy with it. I like to see that I have helped neighbours of the world. I do not have the time right now to contribute to FreeBSD, but if sometime I have it, I will give it with pleasure. I just wanted to comment that there is people in latin-america interested in a FreeBSD desktop variant. I was not expecting a gift from heaven. I could have sounded that I was writing a letter to Santa Claus, but I wasn't. I was just commenting (from my heart). I do not expect nothing. The hackers@ list is also a philosophical discussion list and there are people with a lot of experience that can add their knowledge to discussion threads, even if thread started in a very stupid way. Therefore please, don't correct me with the subject I write to list (unless I start to insult people ;-). You will find a lot of examples more shallow in the archives. Anyway I could argue a top-down approach. I really appreciate the time you took writing us email. At least you gave us your opinion. Best regards, Braulio P.S.: I am cc-ing to the list, I hope this does not bother you. I just do it in the case someone thought like you. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 00:11:31 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E8616A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:11:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118EF43D41; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:11:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B15E5148D9; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:11:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:11:30 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:34 +0000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:11:31 -0000 On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Scott Long wrote: > 2. New installer. [... sysinstall] is fairly good at the simple > task that it does [ ... ] I'll put my bugmeister-hat on and simply say that query-pr suggests otherwise. I have not spent sufficient time examining each of the PRs to figure out what the breakdown is between 'bugs within sysinstall'/ 'unable to boot FreeBSD on hardware'/'user error' but IMHO the first group contains more than a handful of PRs. (the total # is 142.) This is not to say we should abandon the KISS principle and try to come up with some all-singing/all-dancing "thing"; in fact, the opposite. I'd rather we spent time on making something small and solid which would contain enough of its own documentation to prevent people from tearing their hair out while trying to use it. Unlike much of the rest of the system where we assume users have at least some familiarity with FreeBSD (and a working browser), we have to engineer an installer that assumes that both of those are false. Unfortunately for me I probably will never be able to work on this unless someone wants to pay me to work on FreeBSD full-time; too many other things are ahead of it in my personal FreeBSD queue ... mcl From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 05:10:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB6C16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:10:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B018943D2D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:10:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Received: from [10.0.1.2] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.11/8.12.3) with ESMTP id iB25AHa3078692; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:10:19 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad@stop.mail-abuse.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20041201233852.GA35465@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org><98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168 .1.16]> <20041201233852.GA35465@xor.obsecurity.org> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:23:57 +0100 To: Kris Kennaway From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:34 +0000 cc: "Jason C. Wells" cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 05:10:30 -0000 At 3:38 PM -0800 2004-12-01, Kris Kennaway quoted Jason C. Wells: >> This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a SAN >> from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned in the >> above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. > > I'd be very interested to try using this for package builds, btw. > Currently I have to rsync a lot of data to the remote build clients, > which takes a very long time. It's interesting that you mention this. I've been giving some thought to how I might be able to dive in and start seriously working on building my UltraSPARC cluster (based on the four U10 clones I have already, plus as many U5s as I can throw into the mix), and I was hoping to find a better solution than NFS, and AFS/Coda/OpenAFS was tops of my list of alternatives to consider. In particular, if I can get this thing working reasonably well, I'd like to turn this into a package building cluster for FreeBSD/UltraSPARC, and maybe see if there are some other applications I can put it to during the idle times. I'm still looking for instructions on how the existing FreeBSD package building clusters are put together. That plus various bits-n-pieces I've found (mostly from Brooks) should help me figure out how to try to build my own. -- Brad Knowles, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See for more info. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 07:18:56 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A725F16A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:18:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu [128.30.28.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5705843D31 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:18:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: from khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB27Ibaa097847 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK CN=khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu issuer=SSL+20Client+20CA); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:18:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu) Received: (from wollman@localhost) by khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) id iB27IbfR097844; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:18:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from wollman) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 02:18:37 -0500 (EST) From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <200412020718.iB27IbfR097844@khavrinen.lcs.mit.edu> To: Miguel Mendez In-Reply-To: <20041202075530.3b33db1b.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> <41AEA4B8.6080508@acm.org> <20041202075530.3b33db1b.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> X-Spam-Score: -19.8 () IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,REPLY_WITH_QUOTES X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.37 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:34 +0000 cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 07:18:56 -0000 [Cc list trimmed] < said: > The lack of speed in some apps can be blamed mostly on the toolkits. I'll second that. > GTK+ 1.2 was a speed demon, GTK+ 2.x is a lot slower. And either one is an enormous hog compared to Athena widgets. (This is something of an accomplishment, since people have been complaining about the efficiency of Xt since it was first released nearly 20 years ago. All the credit goes to Gordon Moore: X was slow on a 1-MIPS MicroVAX or Sun-2 workstation.) I spend almost all of my time in two applications: xterm and emacs. Both once set records for obscene memory consumption on an earlier generation of systems. -GAWollman From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 11:00:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3697516A4CF for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:00:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D358943D5A for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:00:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from valenok@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so16158wra for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:00:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=YkLtaOH1zcrlcxVWRRMoeb/emNlerk1E4Q9Y0mdC7oYMOIAqp5ODzujYlO9Z2Te9xSTjemxAO+dT4+jGwA81y1qacdQA4tfPyAW+Hy7UjLqF1xUEnUwpWjyxcNTSfZo9h8xLlKa2Gm4Gzp1M2C18vHLA5DnJujEKXrix5j4FX5w= Received: by 10.54.6.79 with SMTP id 79mr1208899wrf; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 03:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.44.19 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 03:00:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <72c3a957041202030057e33861@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:00:14 +0000 From: Sergey Lyubka To: John Baldwin , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:34:34 +0000 Subject: /boot/boot problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sergey Lyubka List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:00:16 -0000 Hi John, thanks for commiting my previous boot2.c patch. I would appreciate any hint about the following problem. I am using 5.3, sources from 1 Dec 2004. The environment I am using is this: ATA disk has one partition with one file, /kernel. /kernel has MFS root filesystem. there is no /boot/loader, /kernel is boot by the first stage loader (/boot/boot). So, the problem is: 1. when /kernel is kgzipped, It says 'Invalid format'. that means, inflate() could not correctly unzip the kernel. 2. when /kernel is not kgzipped, boot crashes: int=06 err=0 efl=10002 eip=c0432540 eax=c0432540 ebx=c2152600 ecx=18 edx=a050001e esi=947a4 edi=c0432540 ebp=7 esp=9e6f0 cs:eip= ff ff ff ff ff .... (all ff) ss:eip=69 95 00 00 00 00 00 80 1c 00 50 00 00 00 00 00 objdump -d kernel shows, that eip c0432540 is exactly where kernel's .text segment starts: c0432540 <.text>: c0432540: 66 c7 05 72 04 00 00 movw $0x1234,0x472 c0432547: 34 12 c0432549: 55 push %ebp So it looks like that kernel was mapped wrong ? 3. The craziest thing is that *sometimes* it works! I do build kernels again and again, without cvsup-ing the sources, and sometimes it works, sometimes not. Any comment, hint etc would be very appreciated. sergey From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 13:50:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323FD16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:50:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cs1.cs.huji.ac.il (cs1.cs.huji.ac.il [132.65.16.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAFA43D41; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:50:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from danny@cs.huji.ac.il) Received: from pampa.cs.huji.ac.il ([132.65.80.32]) by cs1.cs.huji.ac.il with esmtp id 1CZrLM-000Jp8-PS; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:50:00 +0200 X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.0 06/18/2004 with nmh-1.0.4 To: "Peter Blok" In-Reply-To: Message from "Peter Blok" <20041202132639.13FCC85@mail.bsd4all.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:50:00 +0200 From: Danny Braniss Message-Id: <20041202135002.CBAFA43D41@mx1.FreeBSD.org> cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: 'Scott Long' cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:50:03 -0000 > As far as the iSCSI stuff, I have the Lucent stuff and am trying to use it > as a reference to build an iSCSI target. I have been experimenting a bit. > > The design goal is to have the negotiation stuff running in a user daemon, > while the target data handling is completely in the kernel. I was thinking > about using netgraph for the network side of things. On the "disk" side of > things I am thinking about a geom provider, but not initially. Initially I > will send the SCSI CDBs directly to a tape drive that is used for testing > purposes. The project I need this for is to offer a FreeBSD connected tape > library to a Windoze box with iSCSI and use native NTBACKUP. > > Later on the FreeBSD target will be geom based. > > Peter I would like to help/cooperate, I have a netapp with iSCSI awarness, and if necessary i can get a SAN/iSCSI, and probably some time too. danny From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 14:09:52 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B1C816A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:09:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from marvin.sihope.com (unix20.sihope.com [207.195.195.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1AE343D4C for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:09:51 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from adam@whee.org) Received: from titan.whee.org (titan.whee.org [207.195.206.249]) by marvin.sihope.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB2E9c3Q077559 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 08:09:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@whee.org) Received: from titan.whee.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by titan.whee.org (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB2Dv5MP025330 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:57:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (adam@localhost) by titan.whee.org (8.12.9/8.12.9/Submit) with ESMTP id iB2Dv5js025327 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:57:05 -0600 (CST) X-Authentication-Warning: titan.whee.org: adam owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 07:57:05 -0600 (CST) From: Adam Maloney X-X-Sender: adam@titan To: hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org><98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168 X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: E39B 8D34 5F0A EA2E 4CCA 5B1D 8D55 7C25 0061 10AF X-GPG-PUBLIC_KEY: http://www.whee.org/~adam/adam-whee-org-pubkey.asc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:09:52 -0000 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Brad Knowles wrote: > > It's interesting that you mention this. I've been giving some > thought to how I might be able to dive in and start seriously working on > building my UltraSPARC cluster (based on the four U10 clones I have already, > plus as many U5s as I can throw into the mix), and I was hoping to find a > better solution than NFS, and AFS/Coda/OpenAFS was tops of my list of > alternatives to consider. > I would be very excited to see OpenAFS become production ready on BSD. I was playing with CODA a few weeks ago in a test environment. I could get it to mostly work the way I wanted, but it appears that there are some limitations that I don't like. For one, having to "login" to CODA using clog (or maybe I misunderstood the docs on this point?) I want to be able to list a clustered filesystem in fstab and be usable like any other UFS or NFS filesystem - no logging in, permissions and ownership work, etc. Better yet, an approach like Google's File System. If I run out of space or speed, let me throw more boxes at it. Without losing the filesystem. The machine comes onto the network, notifies one of the chunk servers that it's available and how much disk it's got. The chunk servers can now send chunks of data to it. Data is automatically replicated to multiple disk servers, and requests are shared across those servers that have copies of the same data. Chunk servers share metadata so they aren't a single point of failure. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 14:41:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323D316A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:41:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EBD343D60 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:41:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 27464 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 14:32:53 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Dec 2004 14:32:53 -0000 Message-ID: <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:41:48 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:41:53 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and > clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many > storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very > powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source > code, so exploring this would be very interesting. There are certain steps that can be be taken one at a time. For example it should be relatively easy to mount snapshots (ro) from more than one machine. Next step would be to mount a full 'rw' filesystem as 'ro' on other boxes. This would require cache and sector invalidation broadcasting from the 'rw' box to the 'ro' mounts. The holy grail of course is to mount the same filesystem 'rw' on more than one box, preferrably more than two. This requires some more involved synchronization and locking on top of the cache invalidation. And make sure that the multi-'rw' cluster stays alive if one of the participants freezes and doesn't respond anymore. Scrolling through the UFS/FFS code I think the first one is 2-3 days of work. The second 2-4 weeks and the third 2-3 month to get it right. If someone would throw up the money... -- Andre From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 15:55:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BB616A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:55:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lara.cc.fer.hr (lara.cc.fer.hr [161.53.72.113]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993CC43D2D for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 15:55:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ivoras@fer.hr) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.cc.fer.hr [127.0.0.1]) by lara.cc.fer.hr (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2FsutX017267 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:54:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ivoras@fer.hr) Message-ID: <41AF3AD0.7060100@fer.hr> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:54:56 +0100 From: Ivan Voras User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041111) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackers@freebsd.org References: <20041201181152.86176.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My freebsd dream X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 15:55:04 -0000 Chris McDermott wrote: > I have a dream that one day this [OS] will rise up and live out the > true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: I think this is a candidate for http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/funnies.html :) From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 16:34:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D66116A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:34:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from athena.softcardsystems.com (mail.softcardsystems.com [12.34.136.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E55D43D4C; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:34:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sah@softcardsystems.com) Received: from athena (athena [12.34.136.114])iB2HUCYR027884; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:30:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 12:30:12 -0500 (EST) From: Sam X-X-Sender: sah@athena To: Andre Oppermann In-Reply-To: <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> Message-ID: References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:34:50 -0000 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Andre Oppermann wrote: > Scott Long wrote: >> 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and >> clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many >> storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very >> powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source >> code, so exploring this would be very interesting. > > There are certain steps that can be be taken one at a time. For example > it should be relatively easy to mount snapshots (ro) from more than one > machine. Next step would be to mount a full 'rw' filesystem as 'ro' on > other boxes. This would require cache and sector invalidation broadcasting > from the 'rw' box to the 'ro' mounts. The holy grail of course is to mount > the same filesystem 'rw' on more than one box, preferrably more than two. > This requires some more involved synchronization and locking on top of the > cache invalidation. And make sure that the multi-'rw' cluster stays alive > if one of the participants freezes and doesn't respond anymore. > > Scrolling through the UFS/FFS code I think the first one is 2-3 days of > work. The second 2-4 weeks and the third 2-3 month to get it right. > If someone would throw up the money... You might also design in consideration for data redundancy. Right now GFS largely relies on the SAN box to export already redundant RAID disks. GFS sits on a "cluster aware" lvm layer that is supposed to be able to do mirroring and striping, but I'm told it's not stable enough for "production" use. Sam From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 17:41:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E26216A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:41:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7382E43D31 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:41:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 29035 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 17:32:57 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Dec 2004 17:32:57 -0000 Message-ID: <41AF53E1.80408@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:41:53 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:41:58 -0000 Sam wrote: > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Andre Oppermann wrote: > >> Scott Long wrote: >> >>> 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and >>> clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many >>> storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very >>> powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source >>> code, so exploring this would be very interesting. >> >> There are certain steps that can be be taken one at a time. For example >> it should be relatively easy to mount snapshots (ro) from more than one >> machine. Next step would be to mount a full 'rw' filesystem as 'ro' on >> other boxes. This would require cache and sector invalidation >> broadcasting >> from the 'rw' box to the 'ro' mounts. The holy grail of course is to >> mount >> the same filesystem 'rw' on more than one box, preferrably more than two. >> This requires some more involved synchronization and locking on top of >> the >> cache invalidation. And make sure that the multi-'rw' cluster stays >> alive >> if one of the participants freezes and doesn't respond anymore. >> >> Scrolling through the UFS/FFS code I think the first one is 2-3 days of >> work. The second 2-4 weeks and the third 2-3 month to get it right. >> If someone would throw up the money... > > You might also design in consideration for data redundancy. Right now > GFS largely relies on the SAN box to export already redundant RAID > disks. GFS sits on a "cluster aware" lvm layer that is supposed to > be able to do mirroring and striping, but I'm told it's not > stable enough for "production" use. Data redundancy would require a UFS/FFS redesign. I'm 'only' talking about enhancing UFS/FFS but keeping anything ondisk the same (plus some more elements). -- Andre From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 18:03:01 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E77016A4D2; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:03:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ims-1.prv.ampira.com (ims-1.ampira.com [66.179.231.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3519143D31; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:03:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalp@acm.org) Received: from [202.142.94.194] (helo=[172.16.3.26]) by ims-1.prv.ampira.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CZvEy-0004MZ-Im; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 12:59:41 -0500 Message-ID: <41AF58CE.10904@acm.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:32:54 +0530 From: "Kamal R. Prasad" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andre Oppermann References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> <41AF53E1.80408@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AF53E1.80408@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Sam cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:03:01 -0000 Andre Oppermann wrote: > Sam wrote: > >> On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Andre Oppermann wrote: >> >>> Scott Long wrote: >>> >>>> 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and >>>> clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many >>>> storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very >>>> powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source >>>> code, so exploring this would be very interesting. >>> >>> >>> There are certain steps that can be be taken one at a time. For >>> example >>> it should be relatively easy to mount snapshots (ro) from more than one >>> machine. Next step would be to mount a full 'rw' filesystem as 'ro' on >>> other boxes. This would require cache and sector invalidation >>> broadcasting >>> from the 'rw' box to the 'ro' mounts. The holy grail of course is >>> to mount >>> the same filesystem 'rw' on more than one box, preferrably more than >>> two. >>> This requires some more involved synchronization and locking on top >>> of the >>> cache invalidation. And make sure that the multi-'rw' cluster stays >>> alive >>> if one of the participants freezes and doesn't respond anymore. >>> >>> Scrolling through the UFS/FFS code I think the first one is 2-3 days of >>> work. The second 2-4 weeks and the third 2-3 month to get it right. >>> If someone would throw up the money... >> >> >> You might also design in consideration for data redundancy. Right now >> GFS largely relies on the SAN box to export already redundant RAID >> disks. GFS sits on a "cluster aware" lvm layer that is supposed to >> be able to do mirroring and striping, but I'm told it's not >> stable enough for "production" use. > > > Data redundancy would require a UFS/FFS redesign. I'm 'only' talking > about enhancing UFS/FFS but keeping anything ondisk the same (plus > some more elements). > If you add redundancy code into UFS/FFS, that will slow down its performance (even for those not seeking redundancy). A better way would be to have another filesystem implementation like VxFS (veritas filesystem). Im not sure if they have published papers/put their techniques into public domain. regards -kamal From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 18:21:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 178F316A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:21:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web42210.mail.yahoo.com (web42210.mail.yahoo.com [66.218.93.221]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7B1F43D53 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:21:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsdromeo@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 44508 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2004 18:21:28 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; b=mIeViSVQeNPN38TQu5xZCh77nrgyULsP8sYrbwTexuUiWaw5yhUFeKoXWNMRBVbSvc9wSHnTGjwsMbJboqGlpuGoL+VuIxsm22DHKzI+JehGxFqlCyJOpnA+R+Y2hZcP3jIDUDFcMtTjxmaebsC65d7VDhl9ekFKkclxds01/5k= ; Message-ID: <20041202182128.44506.qmail@web42210.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [210.211.162.117] by web42210.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:21:28 PST Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:21:28 -0800 (PST) From: freeBsd Romeo To: Ivan Voras , hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <41AF3AD0.7060100@fer.hr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: My freebsd dream X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:21:29 -0000 thanks sir, Mr Chris McDerMott has written a great parody, worth candidate for freebsd funnies ...i am happy if I was his inspiration :-)......I think now freebsd is more suitable for stable production system ....I have decided to align myself to Redhat Stateless linux project(http://fedora.redhat.com/projects/stateless/) and KDE ...My free bsd dream has died young ....I rather stick with Linux for now regards, gaurav --- Ivan Voras wrote: > Chris McDermott wrote: > > I have a dream that one day this [OS] will rise up > and live out the > > true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths > to be self-evident: > > I think this is a candidate for > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/funnies.html > > :) > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 19:03:58 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E413516A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:03:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail21.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.133.158]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E86643D41; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:03:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from PeterJeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (c211-30-75-229.belrs2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.75.229]) iB2J3fCC030796 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:03:46 +1100 Received: from cirb503493.alcatel.com.au (localhost.alcatel.com.au [127.0.0.1])iB2J3fxP065808; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:03:41 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au) Received: (from pjeremy@localhost)iB2J3cQY065807; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:03:38 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from pjeremy) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 06:03:38 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Miguel Mendez Message-ID: <20041202190337.GY79646@cirb503493.alcatel.com.au> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> <41AEA4B8.6080508@acm.org> <20041202075530.3b33db1b.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041202075530.3b33db1b.flynn@energyhq.es.eu.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2i cc: jcw@highperformance.net cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: scottl@freebsd.org cc: "Kamal R. Prasad" cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:03:59 -0000 On Thu, 2004-Dec-02 07:55:30 +0100, Miguel Mendez wrote: >On Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:44:32 +0530 >"Kamal R. Prasad" wrote: >> I find X windows to be a bit too compute intensive. Maybe something >> like apple's interface would be a good alternative [for those who >> don't need X-windows' powerful graphic features]. > >What makes you think so? X was originally desgined for systems with >little memory and processing power, certainly a lot less than today's >AMD and Intel space heaters. Agreed. But I don't think performance is the issue with X. As I see it, there are several major problems with building an X installer: 1) It quite common in the server arena for machines not to have any graphics head and X is incompatible with serial terminals. 2) You need to configure the X server to support your video adapter, mouse, keyboard and screen. Remember, the "standard" basic VGA interface doesn't necessarily exist outside the PC world. There are enough problems with keyboards (see one of Scott's other wishes) without wanting to add mice, screens and video adapters. 3) /stand is ~2.7M on i386. A minimal X environment is going to be 50-70MB. This means 50-70MB less packages on CD1. 4) X is a RAM hog by sysinstall standards. The minimum RAM requirements will go up significantly. Whilst this shouldn't worry current generation hardware, it will make installing FreeBSD on older hardware (486 and P1) very difficult. Yes, X is network aware but this doesn't really help for system installation. You might solve points 1 and 2 but you replace them with the issue of how to bring up the network and arrange appropriate client/server communication and authentication. -- Peter Jeremy From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 19:13:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BF216A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D877143D39; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:13:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) iB2JCwwX094300; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:12:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB2JCvvB029472; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:12:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB2JCvuS029471; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:12:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from wb) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:12:57 +0100 From: Wilko Bulte To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20041202191257.GA29425@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <98CE9C0241F1FC59BB8F0547@[192.168.1.16]> <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 4.10-STABLE X-PGP: finger wilko@freebsd.org User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner cc: "Jason C. Wells" cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:13:04 -0000 --cWoXeonUoKmBZSoM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:37:59PM -0700, Scott Long wrote.. > Jason C. Wells wrote: > >--On Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:02 PM -0700 Scott Long=20 > > wrote: > > > >>5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and > >>clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many > >>storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very > >>powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source > >>code, so exploring this would be very interesting. > > > > > >This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a=20 > >SAN from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned in= =20 > >the above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. > > > >Later, > >Jason C. Wells >=20 > Well, AFS requires an intelligent node in front of each disk. True SAN > clustering means that you have a web of disks directly connected to the > SAN (iSCSI, FibreChannel, etc), and two or more servers on the SAN that > see those disks as a single filesystem (actually a bit more complicated > than this, but you get the point). If one server goes down, no access > to data is lost since the disks can be reached from any other server on > the SAN that is participating in the clustered FS. Find a friendly TruCluster somewhere and take a look. Really Neat(tm). Alternatively find a friendly OpenVMS cluster, they have forgotten more about clusters now than Unix will ever learn (I am afraid). While we are talking storage: multipathing support for SANs is a very neat thing to have. 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kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so838440rnf for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:48:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=Ki61+4bGgZTa+pxGuHQg7t5soSheBRucbCjxs+R05dXE+VGueJiek9LQdVa0vCwZXKVujPv/YWk0D25471VUqZrPAWFON8yVbmq3HFnoBiEIflCy7ZHF3UA4ZiQVxm/WDen3OV89WJeSxCLDHLOOIfPGK0XegByYKs/0z8vgzjM= Received: by 10.38.96.9 with SMTP id t9mr148987rnb; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:48:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.15.38 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:48:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:48:54 +0000 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:48:56 -0000 > 4. Journaled filesystem. While we can debate the merits of speed and > data integrety of journalling vs. softupdates, the simple fact remains > that softupdates still requires a fsck run on recovery, and the > multi-terabyte filesystems that are possible these days make fsck a very > long and unpleasant experience, even with bg-fsck. There was work at > some point at RPI to add journaling to UFS, but there hasn't been much > status on that in a long time. There have also been proposals and > works-in-progress to port JFS, ReiserFS, and XFS. Some of these efforts > are still alive, but they need to be seen through to completion. But at > the risk of opening a can of worms here, I'll say that it's also > important to explore non-GPL alternatives. A thread (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-October/040904.html )happens to be talking about ro support for the ReiserFS. After having used this for quite some time in a Linux environment, I can't help but notice that it seriously outperforms any other filesystem I've tried on large numbers of littlish files. A beautiful application that I've rather wanted to try for a while was this on the ports tree. The stage of the current implementation is, as I said, read-only. Further, it's currently i386 only. However, I think that there is enough interest in this new (and relatively exciting) filesystem that we may be able to find some developers with time (Possibly including myself) and desire to try to implement write support and do some porting. To ease any qualms with regards to licensing, it appears (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-October/040998.html) that the current implementation is BSD licensed. -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 20:47:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4E316A526; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:47:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (burka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.193.193.107]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7C543D1F; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 20:47:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from netch@lucky.net) Received: from burka.carrier.kiev.ua (netch@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua with ESMTP id iB2KladX087628; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:47:37 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch@burka.carrier.kiev.ua) Received: (from netch@localhost) by burka.carrier.kiev.ua (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB2KlaRj087625; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:47:36 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from netch) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:47:36 +0200 From: Valentin Nechayev To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20041202204735.GA74249@lucky.net> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> X-42: On X-Verify-Sender: Address has been verified (burka.carrier.kiev.ua) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Mail Servers on kozlik.carrier.kiev.ua host X-Antivirus-Code: 100000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: netch@lucky.net List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 20:47:50 -0000 Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 15:02:40, scottl wrote about "My project wish-list fo= r the next 12 months":=20 [...] > 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but > the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's > fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder > and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also > fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. > The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area > (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can > collaborate with them on it. If we're going to discuss admin-friendiness... - Resplit distribution sets. It's simply shame when unpacking base overwrit= es existing log files (e.g. during binary upgrade). At least /etc and /var/log _must_ be separated. Also, I consider openbsd scheme to be pleasant: separate build tools set (gcc, binutils, etc.) =66rom main functioning set. As maximum, convert them into packages and register along with ports. - Fix the most ugly sysinstall features. E.g. setting active flags on all partitions by default, along with setting MBR, leads to unbootable system. This was _constant_ students' error on FreeBSD administration courses. - Provide more administrative tools. For now, one can't see interface queue lengths, netgraph queue lens, tune their sizes, calculate memory occupied by a bunch of processes without multiple counting shared pages... -netch- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 21:00:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D799C16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:00:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (Odin.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.75]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E6B43D46; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:00:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brdavis@odin.ac.hmc.edu) Received: from odin.ac.hmc.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id iB2L1c9c026435; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0800 Received: (from brdavis@localhost) by odin.ac.hmc.edu (8.13.0/8.13.0/Submit) id iB2L1cBP026434; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0800 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:01:38 -0800 From: Brooks Davis To: Valentin Nechayev Message-ID: <20041202210138.GA25979@odin.ac.hmc.edu> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202204735.GA74249@lucky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20041202204735.GA74249@lucky.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=8.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on odin.ac.hmc.edu cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:00:17 -0000 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 10:47:36PM +0200, Valentin Nechayev wrote: > Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 15:02:40, scottl wrote about "My project wish-list = for the next 12 months":=20 >=20 > [...] > > 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but > > the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's > > fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder > > and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also > > fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. > > The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area > > (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can > > collaborate with them on it. >=20 > If we're going to discuss admin-friendiness... >=20 > - Resplit distribution sets. It's simply shame when unpacking base overwr= ites > existing log files (e.g. during binary upgrade). > At least /etc and /var/log _must_ be separated. Also, I consider openbsd > scheme to be pleasant: separate build tools set (gcc, binutils, etc.) > from main functioning set. > As maximum, convert them into packages and register along with ports. The log files shouldn't be there at all. I'm planning to remove all of them from the distribution sets and do the creation during boot. -- Brooks -- Any statement of the form "X is the one, true Y" is FALSE. PGP fingerprint 655D 519C 26A7 82E7 2529 9BF0 5D8E 8BE9 F238 1AD4 --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBr4KxXY6L6fI4GtQRAn7EAKDjuRWirLIbCgY8sOwmJPc0mJnIuQCfbDfO +Vu+sWV0qgluuVvCsLC6jDM= =lj75 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/-- From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 21:28:46 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D95716A4CF for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:28:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from duchess.speedfactory.net (duchess.speedfactory.net [66.23.201.84]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7A2A43D53 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:28:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ups@tree.com) Received: (qmail 25544 invoked by uid 89); 2 Dec 2004 21:28:45 -0000 Received: from duchess.speedfactory.net (66.23.201.84) by duchess.speedfactory.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 21:28:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 21553 invoked by uid 89); 2 Dec 2004 21:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO palm.tree.com) (66.23.216.49) by duchess.speedfactory.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 21:27:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.tree.com [127.0.0.1]) by palm.tree.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2LRI9k041977; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:27:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ups@tree.com) From: Stephan Uphoff To: Andre Oppermann In-Reply-To: <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1102022838.11465.7735.camel@palm.tree.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:27:18 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:28:46 -0000 On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:41, Andre Oppermann wrote: > Scott Long wrote: > > 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and > > clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many > > storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very > > powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source > > code, so exploring this would be very interesting. > > There are certain steps that can be be taken one at a time. For example > it should be relatively easy to mount snapshots (ro) from more than one > machine. Next step would be to mount a full 'rw' filesystem as 'ro' on > other boxes. This would require cache and sector invalidation broadcasting > from the 'rw' box to the 'ro' mounts. Mhhh .. if you plan to invalidate at the disk block cache layer then you will run into race conditions with UFS/FFS (Especially with remove operations) I was once called in to evaluate such a multiple reader/single writer system based on an UFS like file system and block layer invalidation and had to convince management to kill it. (It appeared to work and actually made it though internal and customer acceptance testing before failing horrible in the field). If you send me more details on your proposed cache and sector invalidation/cluster design I will be happy to review it. > The holy grail of course is to mount > the same filesystem 'rw' on more than one box, preferrably more than two. > This requires some more involved synchronization and locking on top of the > cache invalidation. And make sure that the multi-'rw' cluster stays alive > if one of the participants freezes and doesn't respond anymore. > > Scrolling through the UFS/FFS code I think the first one is 2-3 days of > work. The second 2-4 weeks and the third 2-3 month to get it right. > If someone would throw up the money... From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 21:41:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1697816A4D0 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:41:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C69943D53 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:41:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kjelderg@gmail.com) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a36so849668rnf for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:41:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=EEDUKAdGBwIf8pDHSHqmPI1HVxeVCy7b5QuDW7HNQSE8aSmrupYXrr+Yzl47F9ARfG4UMHRRPbrakW61j5ku/b06678pgAwTm4880LJKjR1sXoc0O+w2iwISmoHEc7TuydkSPRn2Zmxsu4ybr0RNLy2tu+00lDhJVsQRM0WUgkk= Received: by 10.38.15.61 with SMTP id 61mr1040214rno; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:41:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.15.38 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:41:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:41:35 +0000 From: Eric Kjeldergaard To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-S=E9bastien_P=E9dron?= In-Reply-To: <41AF8A18.8090303@club-internet.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AF8A18.8090303@club-internet.fr> cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eric Kjeldergaard List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:41:37 -0000 > >> 4. Journaled filesystem. > > > > The stage of the current implementation is, as I said, read-only. > > Further, it's currently i386 only. > > In theory, it shouldn't be tied to i386, but I never tested it somewhere > else unfortunately. > Got that from the reiserfs port which says it doesn't compile other than under i386. > > However, I think that there is enough interest in this new (and > > relatively exciting) filesystem that we may be able to find some > > developers with time (Possibly including myself) and desire to try to > > implement write support and do some porting. To ease any qualms > > with regards to licensing, it appears > > (http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2004-October/040998.html) > > that the current implementation is BSD licensed. > > Not exactly. Only the mount_reiserfs command is under BSD. The kernel > module is GPL. > Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I read quickly and w/o thinking enough. I suppose that would put is near square 1. > I don't know neither JFS nor XFS, but Reiser4 may be a great candidate > too (the current port is ReiserFS 3.6 only). It sure doesn't have the > maturity of ReiserFS but brings nice features. That would be nice if the support could be gathered for it. I do like it better than XFS (which I've tried). -- If I write a signature, my emails will appear more personalised. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 21:43:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 266C716A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:43:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90EE443D5A; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:43:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB2Lks5N068636; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:46:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AF8C78.8050806@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 14:43:20 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephan Uphoff References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> <1102022838.11465.7735.camel@palm.tree.com> In-Reply-To: <1102022838.11465.7735.camel@palm.tree.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Andre Oppermann cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 21:43:09 -0000 Stephan Uphoff wrote: > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:41, Andre Oppermann wrote: > >>Scott Long wrote: >> >>>5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and >>>clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many >>>storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very >>>powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source >>>code, so exploring this would be very interesting. >> >>There are certain steps that can be be taken one at a time. For example >>it should be relatively easy to mount snapshots (ro) from more than one >>machine. Next step would be to mount a full 'rw' filesystem as 'ro' on >>other boxes. This would require cache and sector invalidation broadcasting >>from the 'rw' box to the 'ro' mounts. > > > Mhhh .. if you plan to invalidate at the disk block cache layer then you > will run into race conditions with UFS/FFS (Especially with remove > operations) > I was once called in to evaluate such a multiple reader/single writer > system based on an UFS like file system and block layer invalidation and > had to convince management to kill it. (It appeared to work and actually > made it though internal and customer acceptance testing before failing > horrible in the field). > > If you send me more details on your proposed cache and sector > invalidation/cluster design I will be happy to review it. > > > >>The holy grail of course is to mount >>the same filesystem 'rw' on more than one box, preferrably more than two. >>This requires some more involved synchronization and locking on top of the >>cache invalidation. And make sure that the multi-'rw' cluster stays alive >>if one of the participants freezes and doesn't respond anymore. >> >>Scrolling through the UFS/FFS code I think the first one is 2-3 days of >>work. The second 2-4 weeks and the third 2-3 month to get it right. >>If someone would throw up the money... > > Although I don't know the specifics of your experience, I can easily imagine how hard it would be to make this work on UFS. Common operations like walking a file path to the root are nearly impossible to do reliably without an overbearing amount of synchronization. Then you have all of the problems synchronizing buffered data and metadata. Softupdates would be a nightmare, if not impossible. Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 22:24:09 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646E316A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:24:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6473643D48 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:24:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 31306 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 22:15:06 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Dec 2004 22:15:06 -0000 Message-ID: <41AF9603.9060902@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:24:03 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephan Uphoff References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> <1102022838.11465.7735.camel@palm.tree.com> In-Reply-To: <1102022838.11465.7735.camel@palm.tree.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:24:09 -0000 Stephan Uphoff wrote: > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:41, Andre Oppermann wrote: > >>Scott Long wrote: >> >>>5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and >>>clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many >>>storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very >>>powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source >>>code, so exploring this would be very interesting. >> >>There are certain steps that can be be taken one at a time. For example >>it should be relatively easy to mount snapshots (ro) from more than one >>machine. Next step would be to mount a full 'rw' filesystem as 'ro' on >>other boxes. This would require cache and sector invalidation broadcasting >>from the 'rw' box to the 'ro' mounts. > > Mhhh .. if you plan to invalidate at the disk block cache layer then you > will run into race conditions with UFS/FFS (Especially with remove > operations) > I was once called in to evaluate such a multiple reader/single writer > system based on an UFS like file system and block layer invalidation and > had to convince management to kill it. (It appeared to work and actually > made it though internal and customer acceptance testing before failing > horrible in the field). > > If you send me more details on your proposed cache and sector > invalidation/cluster design I will be happy to review it. It obviously doesn't work only the disk block level. For the rw+ro(n) case you have to invalidate updated/changed inodes (file and directory inodes) as well as associated data blocks. Alternatively you could invalidate all related data blocks together with the inode but that would kill performance for files that are simply appended (like log files). -- Andre From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 22:37:11 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7667B16A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:37:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D8C243D53 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:37:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 31381 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 22:28:08 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 2 Dec 2004 22:28:08 -0000 Message-ID: <41AF9912.7040701@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:37:06 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AF29AC.6030401@freebsd.org> <1102022838.11465.7735.camel@palm.tree.com> <41AF8C78.8050806@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AF8C78.8050806@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" cc: Stephan Uphoff Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 22:37:11 -0000 Scott Long wrote: > Stephan Uphoff wrote: > >> On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 09:41, Andre Oppermann wrote: >> >>> The holy grail of course is to mount >>> the same filesystem 'rw' on more than one box, preferrably more than >>> two. >>> This requires some more involved synchronization and locking on top >>> of the >>> cache invalidation. And make sure that the multi-'rw' cluster stays >>> alive >>> if one of the participants freezes and doesn't respond anymore. >>> >>> Scrolling through the UFS/FFS code I think the first one is 2-3 days of >>> work. The second 2-4 weeks and the third 2-3 month to get it right. >>> If someone would throw up the money... > > Although I don't know the specifics of your experience, I can easily > imagine how hard it would be to make this work on UFS. Common > operations like walking a file path to the root are nearly impossible to > do reliably without an overbearing amount of synchronization. Then you > have all of the problems synchronizing buffered data and metadata. You don't do it the fully synchronized way. The semantics will be somewhat like with NFS. Reading in the filesystem does not invoke synchronization. Only writing, or actually intending to write something, requires synchro- nization with all other machines in the filesystem cluster. Synchronization ensures that writes to a directory or file are properly serialized and that caches are invalidated at the same time. > Softupdates would be a nightmare, if not impossible. To the contrary. It provides a nice place to link code into and it helps to keep performance up to good levels. Any inode changes entering the softdep code would cause a message to all other machines informing them of the change. If another one wants to update the same inode or something dependend on it it has to wait until you have written it to disk. His backnotification would of course move this inode to the front of the softdep work queue to not stall your request. As long as you don't want to have mmap() work across machines with contents in memory but not yet written to disk things stay pretty much sane. -- Andre From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 23:20:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB26916A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:20:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0354B43D45 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 23:20:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from silby@silby.com) Received: (qmail 53046 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 23:20:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 23:20:16 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 209.68.2.70 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:20:12 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Silbersack To: Andre Oppermann In-Reply-To: <41AB8588.6020901@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20041202171724.M849@odysseus.silby.com> References: <41A467DB.29212.9F2DEC@localhost> <20041124171358.GG545@numachi.com> <1101366517.15634.318.camel@work.gusalmighty.com> <41AB8588.6020901@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Justin Hopper Subject: Re: HD Mirroring X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 23:20:18 -0000 On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Andre Oppermann wrote: > If you have many TCP connections to one target it may happen that you > get the same source port on the originator again within the TIME_WAIT > timeout. And if the ISN wrapped in the meantime the new connection > will 'hang'. Just to clear this up, the problem with randomized source ports and TIME_WAIT is not that the ISN is wrapping. The problem is that if a port is reused too quickly, the ISN has not incremented enough and is less than the final sequence number of the previous connection. There's code in 5.3 which eliminates this problem by incrementing a global offset for each connection established, I will probably MFC it before 4.11 so that this problem is over with once and for all. Mike "Silby" Silbersack From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 00:24:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1402A16A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:24:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC5043D5C; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:24:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABFB2A7EA; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C453E2B3; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB30OLRS048868; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB30OL4F048867; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Authentication-Warning: overcee.wemm.org: peter set sender to peter@wemm.org using -f From: Peter Wemm To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, foxfair@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:21 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> In-Reply-To: <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412021624.21655.peter@wemm.org> cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:24:23 -0000 On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:17 pm, Foxfair Hu wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:02:40PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > > All, > > [....] > > > 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making > > ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. > > Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real > > keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty > > effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this > > on mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is > > being made so I'm listing it here. > > How about reuse NetBSD's wscons ? I've kept an eye on it and > thought it should be a good start for FreeBSD. Only if it has 100% identical look/feel to syscons. ie: same key maps, same ioctl's, same Xserver interface, same escape codes, etc. If not, then over my dead body! -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 00:24:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1402A16A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:24:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from canning.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC5043D5C; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:24:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from fw.wemm.org (canning.wemm.org [192.203.228.65]) by canning.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AABFB2A7EA; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (overcee.wemm.org [10.0.0.3]) by fw.wemm.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C453E2B3; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from overcee.wemm.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB30OLRS048868; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by overcee.wemm.org (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB30OL4F048867; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) X-Authentication-Warning: overcee.wemm.org: peter set sender to peter@wemm.org using -f From: Peter Wemm To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, foxfair@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:24:21 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> In-Reply-To: <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412021624.21655.peter@wemm.org> cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:24:23 -0000 On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:17 pm, Foxfair Hu wrote: > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:02:40PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > > All, > > [....] > > > 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making > > ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. > > Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real > > keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty > > effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this > > on mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is > > being made so I'm listing it here. > > How about reuse NetBSD's wscons ? I've kept an eye on it and > thought it should be a good start for FreeBSD. Only if it has 100% identical look/feel to syscons. ie: same key maps, same ioctl's, same Xserver interface, same escape codes, etc. If not, then over my dead body! -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com "All of this is for nothing if we don't go to the stars" - JMS/B5 From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 00:29:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9172316A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3921043D2F; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:29:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB30WvkI069240; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AFB35D.4090300@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:29:17 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> <200412021624.21655.peter@wemm.org> In-Reply-To: <200412021624.21655.peter@wemm.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: foxfair@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:29:10 -0000 Peter Wemm wrote: > On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:17 pm, Foxfair Hu wrote: > >>On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:02:40PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: >> >>>All, >> >>[....] >> >> >>>1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making >>>ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. >>>Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real >>>keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty >>>effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this >>>on mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is >>>being made so I'm listing it here. >> >> How about reuse NetBSD's wscons ? I've kept an eye on it and >>thought it should be a good start for FreeBSD. > > > Only if it has 100% identical look/feel to syscons. ie: same key maps, > same ioctl's, same Xserver interface, same escape codes, etc. If not, > then over my dead body! > What if it's 100% identical except for the [Space] key, which becomes the console pause key? =-) Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 00:29:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9172316A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pooker.samsco.org (pooker.samsco.org [168.103.85.57]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3921043D2F; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 00:29:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Received: from [192.168.254.11] (junior-wifi.samsco.home [192.168.254.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by pooker.samsco.org (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB30WvkI069240; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:32:57 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from scottl@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <41AFB35D.4090300@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:29:17 -0700 From: Scott Long User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040929 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Wemm References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041202011758.GA81639@drago.fomokka.net> <200412021624.21655.peter@wemm.org> In-Reply-To: <200412021624.21655.peter@wemm.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=3.8 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on pooker.samsco.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: foxfair@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 00:29:10 -0000 Peter Wemm wrote: > On Wednesday 01 December 2004 05:17 pm, Foxfair Hu wrote: > >>On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:02:40PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: >> >>>All, >> >>[....] >> >> >>>1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making >>>ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. >>>Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real >>>keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty >>>effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this >>>on mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is >>>being made so I'm listing it here. >> >> How about reuse NetBSD's wscons ? I've kept an eye on it and >>thought it should be a good start for FreeBSD. > > > Only if it has 100% identical look/feel to syscons. ie: same key maps, > same ioctl's, same Xserver interface, same escape codes, etc. If not, > then over my dead body! > What if it's 100% identical except for the [Space] key, which becomes the console pause key? =-) Scott From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 03:09:38 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4901F16A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:09:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.intellex.com (mail.intellex.com [199.233.213.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A09E843D2D for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:09:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@mail.intellex.com) Received: (qmail 10115 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2004 03:17:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 73703 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 10:52:34 -0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (216.136.204.119) by smtp.intellex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 10:52:34 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFFE57046; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:34:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD8716A4EC; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:33:59 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E8E16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:33:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.86.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5FC43D2D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:33:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2AXerc093693; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:33:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) To: Scott Long From: "Poul-Henning Kamp" In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 01 Dec 2004 15:02:40 MST." <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:33:40 +0100 Message-ID: <93692.1101983620@critter.freebsd.dk> X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:09:38 -0000 In message <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org>, Scott Long writes: >All, > >I know that I said last month that we were going to stop promising >specific features for the next major release. However, I'd like to >throw out a list of things that would be really nice to have in the >future, whether its 6.0 or 7.0 or whatever. >[...] >1. Keyboard multiplexer. [...] >2. New installer. [...] >3. Native PCI Express support. [...] >4. Journaled filesystem. [...] >5. Clustered FS support. [...] >6. Overhaul CAM, add iSCSI. [...] I agree on all of the above but I think we also need to have things on the list that doesn't take super hackers, and architectural reviews. So let us add the following points which I think are just as, if not more important for FreeBSDs future: 7. More people writing FreeBSD related articles for online and traditional media. If you have never written a piece about FreeBSD, how about sending something to your local IT trade rag ? Heck, even your local paper will probably run it if you send them a piece. 8. More people stomping for FreeBSD in universities and schools. Have you actually offered the science/IT teachers at the local hi-school to pop around and give a lesson on this open source phenomena to their pupils ? Or call your local college and ask if they need a teaching assistant for their evening courses in IT ? 9. A band of happy 1st line reponders dealing with PRs etc. We're getting better at this, but one way to really gain users is to help them when they need it most: right when they begin. 10. A more dynamic and interesting www.freebsd.org frontpage. Come on, at least we should be able to beat the "Congressional Record" when it comes to being interesting. 11. More people attending BSDcon conferences. Come to BSDcan2005! come to the next EuroBSDcon or AsiaBSDcon. Or make your own mini conference! Many Linux User groups would welcome you if you offered to give a talk about FreeBSD on one of their evenings. 12. Research/Coding grants (3/6/12 months) from the FreeBSD Foundation and other deep(er) pockets to help some of the heavy lifting happen. We're not only in it for the money, but money surely helps. And I'd like to stress that none of the above requires you to get permission from the core team, just go out and do it! -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence. _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 03:23:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6707716A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:23:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.intellex.com (mail.intellex.com [199.233.213.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D17D743D41 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:23:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@mail.intellex.com) Received: (qmail 81994 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2004 03:30:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 38420 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 13:42:30 -0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (216.136.204.119) by smtp.intellex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 13:42:30 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BA357A58; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:23:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C2A16A515; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:22:42 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFE516A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:14:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ims-1.prv.ampira.com (ims-1.ampira.com [66.179.231.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA4D643D62; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 05:14:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalp@acm.org) Received: from [202.142.94.194] (helo=[172.16.3.26]) by ims-1.prv.ampira.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CZjFX-0005S4-KO; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 00:11:28 -0500 Message-ID: <41AEA4B8.6080508@acm.org> Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 10:44:32 +0530 From: "Kamal R. Prasad" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE55D7.8020709@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:22:17 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: "Jason C. Wells" cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:23:51 -0000 I find X windows to be a bit too compute intensive. Maybe something like apple's interface would be a good alternative [for those who don't need X-windows' powerful graphic features]. regards -kamal Scott Long wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: > >> --On Wednesday, December 01, 2004 3:02 PM -0700 Scott Long >> wrote: >> >>> 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and >>> clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many >>> storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very >>> powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source >>> code, so exploring this would be very interesting. >> >> >> >> This sounds very close to OpenAFS. I don't know what distinguishes a >> SAN from other types of NAS. OpenAFS does everything you mentioned >> in the above paragraph. OpenAFS _almost_ works on FreeBSD right now. >> >> Later, >> Jason C. Wells > > > Well, AFS requires an intelligent node in front of each disk. True SAN > clustering means that you have a web of disks directly connected to the > SAN (iSCSI, FibreChannel, etc), and two or more servers on the SAN that > see those disks as a single filesystem (actually a bit more complicated > than this, but you get the point). If one server goes down, no access > to data is lost since the disks can be reached from any other server on > the SAN that is participating in the clustered FS. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 09:50:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD4116A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:50:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.jazztel.es (smtp1.jazztel.es [62.14.3.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4C943D54; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:50:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp1.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CaA5m-0000YT-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:51:10 +0100 Received: from [212.106.254.37] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp1.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CaA5l-0000Xc-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:51:09 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB39oolD000818; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB39oqiW001149; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041201232052.GA35040@xor.obsecurity.org> <41AE5169.3000909@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE5169.3000909@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412031050.52137.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.103; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: Ryan Sommers cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:50:54 -0000 El Jueves, 2 de Diciembre de 2004 00:19, Scott Long escribi=F3: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:10:57PM -0700, Ryan Sommers wrote: > >>Another issue I had with the dfly installer was one point I believe > >> needs to be central to any next-gen installer. > >> Internationalisation. > > > > Careful not to pile on so many wishes that achieving anything > > becomes impossible. Our current installer doesn't do this, so it's > > not a hard requirement that a better installer should. > > > > Kris > > Internationalization is actually quite important, and is not easy to > bolt on after the fact but is fairly easy to program to once the core > is in place. The fact that sysinstall doesn't have it makes it no > less important. Now this isn't a reason to reject the DFly work, but > it could certainly be a good area for someone to contribute. > > Scott > Sure. I can confirm this. But this issue must be take with care. 1.- This is an overall effort that, IMHO, must begin with a real i18n=20 ports work. Actual ports doesn't have a well defined i18n behavior. 2.- this covers several unrelated issues: - i18n, lang related issues. iso8859-1, unicode, arabic ... - l10n, locale related issues (country specific). - base system oper (try hack arround loader with a foreing keyboard). About the base system, I have really bad experiences with i18n/locale=20 support in boot/system works. This must be a low priority task. But I'll be really glad to see some basic foreing keyboard/console=20 support in boot/loader as: boot> keyb sp =2D- josemi From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 09:50:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD4116A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:50:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.jazztel.es (smtp1.jazztel.es [62.14.3.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4C943D54; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:50:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp1.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CaA5m-0000YT-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:51:10 +0100 Received: from [212.106.254.37] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp1.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CaA5l-0000Xc-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:51:09 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB39oolD000818; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:50 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB39oqiW001149; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:52 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:50:50 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <20041201232052.GA35040@xor.obsecurity.org> <41AE5169.3000909@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41AE5169.3000909@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412031050.52137.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.103; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: Ryan Sommers cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Scott Long cc: "current@freebsd.org" cc: Kris Kennaway Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 09:50:54 -0000 El Jueves, 2 de Diciembre de 2004 00:19, Scott Long escribi=F3: > Kris Kennaway wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 04:10:57PM -0700, Ryan Sommers wrote: > >>Another issue I had with the dfly installer was one point I believe > >> needs to be central to any next-gen installer. > >> Internationalisation. > > > > Careful not to pile on so many wishes that achieving anything > > becomes impossible. Our current installer doesn't do this, so it's > > not a hard requirement that a better installer should. > > > > Kris > > Internationalization is actually quite important, and is not easy to > bolt on after the fact but is fairly easy to program to once the core > is in place. The fact that sysinstall doesn't have it makes it no > less important. Now this isn't a reason to reject the DFly work, but > it could certainly be a good area for someone to contribute. > > Scott > Sure. I can confirm this. But this issue must be take with care. 1.- This is an overall effort that, IMHO, must begin with a real i18n=20 ports work. Actual ports doesn't have a well defined i18n behavior. 2.- this covers several unrelated issues: - i18n, lang related issues. iso8859-1, unicode, arabic ... - l10n, locale related issues (country specific). - base system oper (try hack arround loader with a foreing keyboard). About the base system, I have really bad experiences with i18n/locale=20 support in boot/system works. This must be a low priority task. But I'll be really glad to see some basic foreing keyboard/console=20 support in boot/loader as: boot> keyb sp =2D- josemi From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 10:52:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9099616A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:52:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.jazztel.es (smtp1.jazztel.es [62.14.3.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6DD43D45 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 10:52:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp1.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CaB3S-0008Q3-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:52:50 +0100 Received: from [212.106.254.37] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp1.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CaB3R-0008PC-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 11:52:49 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3AqUUP001001; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:52:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB3AqXWN017294; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:52:33 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 11:52:32 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AE6E98.1070202@telus.net> In-Reply-To: <41AE6E98.1070202@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412031152.32859.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.103; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: Peter Kieser Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 10:52:33 -0000 El Jueves, 2 de Diciembre de 2004 02:23, Peter Kieser escribi=F3: > Scott Long wrote: > > 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, > > but the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art.=20 > > It's fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming > > harder and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's > > also fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it > > since 1995. The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this > > area (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we > > can collaborate with them on it. > > Please, don't change /stand/sysinstall *too* much, there is really > nothing wrong with the interface of it, and it's what makes FreeBSD > so "quick" to install. At the very least, make sure you do NOT go for > an XFree86 installation, and keep to the "KISS" approach. Visually > wise, theres nothing wrong with the current installer.. and its one > of the things I "promote" about FreeBSD -- the ease to install. It's > small, its fast.. and it works, however in error situations it does > mess up badly. I second that. It's the biggest thing we can put in a floppy. But, if works on a new installer are needed, this must be neccesary: sysinstall is only the most user related thing of and overall process. =20 I think this must begin with taking /usr/src/release out of /usr/src=20 and work on a new release build system. Also, I can remenber, al last, other previous try. Please, use a safe=20 path. As a reference, Mandrake Drakx is accesible via cvs (but gpl). http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/drakx.php3 As anaconda (which use python instead of perl) is an installer working=20 from a system interpreter in a big mdfs. works over perlgtk2 and a vesa=20 X server. This may be used in FreeBSD for cdrom/pxe installs=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 12:29:02 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E0E316A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:29:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpq3.home.nl (smtpq3.home.nl [213.51.128.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEF043D3F for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:29:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dodell@sitetronics.com) Received: from [213.51.128.136] (port=56532 helo=smtp5.home.nl) by smtpq3.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CaCYW-0002La-AA; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:29:00 +0100 Received: from cc740438-a.deven1.ov.home.nl ([82.75.136.183]:4657 helo=[192.168.2.100]) by smtp5.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CaCYU-00040t-Tb; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:28:58 +0100 Message-ID: <41B05C0C.9050503@sitetronics.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:29:00 +0100 From: "Devon H. O'Dell" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jose M Rodriguez References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AE6E98.1070202@telus.net> <200412031152.32859.freebsd@redesjm.local> In-Reply-To: <200412031152.32859.freebsd@redesjm.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Please contact support@home.nl for more information X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean cc: Peter Kieser cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:29:02 -0000 Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > El Jueves, 2 de Diciembre de 2004 02:23, Peter Kieser escribió: > >>Scott Long wrote: >> >>>2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, >>>but the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. >>>It's fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming >>>harder and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's >>>also fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it >>>since 1995. The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this >>>area (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we >>>can collaborate with them on it. >> >>Please, don't change /stand/sysinstall *too* much, there is really >>nothing wrong with the interface of it, and it's what makes FreeBSD >>so "quick" to install. At the very least, make sure you do NOT go for >>an XFree86 installation, and keep to the "KISS" approach. Visually >>wise, theres nothing wrong with the current installer.. and its one >>of the things I "promote" about FreeBSD -- the ease to install. It's >>small, its fast.. and it works, however in error situations it does >>mess up badly. > > > I second that. It's the biggest thing we can put in a floppy. > > But, if works on a new installer are needed, this must be neccesary: > > sysinstall is only the most user related thing of and overall process. > I think this must begin with taking /usr/src/release out of /usr/src > and work on a new release build system. > > Also, I can remenber, al last, other previous try. Please, use a safe > path. As a reference, Mandrake Drakx is accesible via cvs (but gpl). > > http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/drakx.php3 > > As anaconda (which use python instead of perl) is an installer working > from a system interpreter in a big mdfs. works over perlgtk2 and a vesa > X server. This may be used in FreeBSD for cdrom/pxe installs Anaconda is also GPLed and also requires a good few changes for most of it to run under FreeBSD. I haven't made any of these changes, but we looked into using Anaconda in DragonFly before we started on our own installer, and it would have just been too much work for the deadline we had (our 1.0 installer was written in less than 3 months!). Yes, it is in Python, but all the VESA stuff is via framebuffer, not an X server, so it's not something that we could use easily. At least, this was the case when I researched it in May. Anything GPL probably won't qualify in the first place, due to obvious license incompatibilities. While I don't want to sound shameless, I do urge you who are used to sysinstall to take a look at our installer -- http://www.bsdinstaller.org. It's very simple to extend, and it's not very large. I haven't looked at Drakx at all, so I can't say anything useful about that. HTH, Devon H. O'Dell From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 12:42:05 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A74A516A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:42:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ims-1.prv.ampira.com (ims-1.ampira.com [66.179.231.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED8143D41 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:42:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalp@acm.org) Received: from [202.142.94.194] (helo=[172.16.3.26]) by ims-1.prv.ampira.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CaChw-0002C1-Pi; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 07:38:45 -0500 Message-ID: <41B05F10.5010505@acm.org> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 18:11:52 +0530 From: "Kamal R. Prasad" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Devon H. O'Dell" References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <41AE6E98.1070202@telus.net> <200412031152.32859.freebsd@redesjm.local> <41B05C0C.9050503@sitetronics.com> In-Reply-To: <41B05C0C.9050503@sitetronics.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: Peter Kieser cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Jose M Rodriguez Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:42:05 -0000 > > Anaconda is also GPLed and also requires a good few changes for most > of it to run under FreeBSD. I haven't made any of these changes, but > we looked into using Anaconda in DragonFly before we started on our > own installer, and it would have just been too much work for the > deadline we had (our 1.0 installer was written in less than 3 > months!). Yes, it is in Python, but all the VESA stuff is via > framebuffer, not an X server, so it's not something that we could use > easily. At least, this was the case when I researched it in May. > Anything GPL probably won't qualify in the first place, due to obvious > license incompatibilities. Sorry for going off on a tangent -and pl ignore if its annoying:- Can someone elaborate on the impact of GPL if one is to use lGPL'ed code without modifying it. i.e. if the kernel or library is GPL'ed and a module is developed on top of it and sold, does the GPL require one to give out the src code for the developed module too? thansks -kamal From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 12:52:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B56916A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:52:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.jazztel.es (smtp2.jazztel.es [62.14.3.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB2A43D41 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 12:52:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp2.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CaCvC-0001hd-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:52:26 +0100 Received: from [212.106.254.37] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp2.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CaCvA-0001fA-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:52:24 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3CqPul001215; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:52:25 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB3CqSas029727; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:52:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: "Devon H. O'Dell" Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 13:52:26 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> <200412031152.32859.freebsd@redesjm.local> <41B05C0C.9050503@sitetronics.com> In-Reply-To: <41B05C0C.9050503@sitetronics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412031352.27660.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.103; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: Peter Kieser cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org cc: Jose M Rodriguez Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 12:52:30 -0000 El Viernes, 3 de Diciembre de 2004 13:29, Devon H. O'Dell escribi=F3: > Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > > El Jueves, 2 de Diciembre de 2004 02:23, Peter Kieser escribi=F3: > >>Scott Long wrote: [ ... ] > > Also, I can remenber, al last, other previous try. Please, use a > > safe path. As a reference, Mandrake Drakx is accesible via cvs > > (but gpl). > > > > http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/drakx.php3 > > > > As anaconda (which use python instead of perl) is an installer > > working from a system interpreter in a big mdfs. works over > > perlgtk2 and a vesa X server. This may be used in FreeBSD for > > cdrom/pxe installs > > Anaconda is also GPLed and also requires a good few changes for most > of it to run under FreeBSD. I haven't made any of these changes, but > we looked into using Anaconda in DragonFly before we started on our > own installer, and it would have just been too much work for the > deadline we had (our 1.0 installer was written in less than 3 > months!). Yes, it is in Python, but all the VESA stuff is via > framebuffer, not an X server, so it's not something that we could use > easily. At least, this was the case when I researched it in May. > Anything GPL probably won't qualify in the first place, due to > obvious license incompatibilities. > I'm not talking about port Anaconda or DarkX, but on analyse the=20 building blocks: =2D a two mfs based apoarch (stage1/stage2) =2D a powerfull system orirented interpreter (perl/python) =2D proven system libraries (perlgtk2 ...) =2D a vesa based Xserver, very reduced. > While I don't want to sound shameless, I do urge you who are used to > sysinstall to take a look at our installer -- > http://www.bsdinstaller.org. It's very simple to extend, and it's not > very large. > I found bsdinstaller a good candidate, but more a WIP that a reference. =20 Both anaconda and DrakX are more mature. I don't know too much about anaconda, but DarkX have several years of=20 evolution. And maybe someone find perl more familiar than python. > I haven't looked at Drakx at all, so I can't say anything useful > about that. > You can find it on Mandrake cvs, but I don't know if they have a cvsweb=20 interface. =2D- josemi > HTH, > > Devon H. O'Dell From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 16:02:54 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EE316A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:02:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.jazztel.es (smtp1.jazztel.es [62.14.3.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903A843D1F; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 16:02:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp1.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CZtQF-0000yE-00 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:03:11 +0100 Received: from [212.106.252.204] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp1.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CZtQE-0000w3-00 Thu, 02 Dec 2004 17:03:10 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB2G2prh000912; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:02:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB2G2s8A000998; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:02:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:02:53 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412021702.53996.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.101; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:01:57 +0000 cc: "freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org.freebsd-net"@freebsd.org Subject: about a usb adsl modem driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 16:02:55 -0000 Hi, I've got a eagle usb adsl modem and get ready to work on FreeBSD support for it. I found two proyects on this, one for alcatel modems and other for this (eagle). I can connect with the latest via pppoa on RELENG_5, but I don't like this too much. After a some days searching on inet, I found enough docs and ideas for a real usb adsl modem driver. My first idea was a sppp based one, that can be ported to all xBSD. But now I think that a netgraph thing must be a better first contact. Anyone interested in help with this? Any comments on this are welcome. -- josemi From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 2 18:09:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB29616A4CE for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:09:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pimpala.siwanet.net (bouake.siwanet.net [194.146.111.16]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B8243D31 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 18:09:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmab@libkvm.org) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=bouake.siwanet.net) by pimpala.siwanet.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CZvOL-000Pmu-Qz for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 02 Dec 2004 19:09:23 +0100 Received: (from jma@localhost) by bouake.siwanet.net (8.12.10/8.12.9/Submit) id iB2I9L9D099131 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:09:21 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: bouake.siwanet.net: jma set sender to jmab@libkvm.org using -f Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 19:09:21 +0100 From: jmab@libkvm.org To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20041202180921.GA99110@bouake.siwanet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-SSig: ed6cbb9d1dbd4118b390e6183ca2fd9eb8b15d29 X-Spirit: FreeBSD The Power to Serve X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:01:56 +0000 Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 18:09:25 -0000 On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 06:41:53PM +0100, Andre Oppermann typed: :: Data redundancy would require a UFS/FFS redesign. I'm 'only' talking :: about enhancing UFS/FFS but keeping anything ondisk the same (plus :: some more elements). Well, from my point of view, I would see this as some strong geom modules. ggate already allows to export disk devices as ggate instances. One of my project (in the long term) is to be able to use RAID scheme through the network. I think geom is the way to go to manipulate I/O path. This could let us create RAID over IP without FS knowledge. -- julien. From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 02:49:18 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCA2316A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:49:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.vzavenue.net (smtp.vzavenue.net [66.171.59.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8A043D1F; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 02:49:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jr@opal.com) Received: from linwhf.opal.com (126.79.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net [66.171.79.126]) by smtp.vzavenue.net (MOS 3.4.3-CR) with ESMTP id BMG11088; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:49:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from linwhf.opal.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by linwhf.opal.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB32n4A0007179 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:49:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jr@linwhf.opal.com) Received: (from jr@localhost) by linwhf.opal.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB32n4kp007178; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:49:04 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jr) Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:49:04 -0500 From: "J.R. Oldroyd" To: Scott Long Message-ID: <20041203024904.GO55358@linwhf.opal.com> References: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Junkmail-Status: score=0/50, host=smtp.vzavenue.net X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:01:57 +0000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 02:49:18 -0000 How about some form of streamlined video input support? I realize Linux's v4l model doesn't fit too well here, but what they have done there provides support for all sorts of common video devices, and makes them all available to pretty much any program that wants video input. FreeBSD is far behind in this area. -jr On Dec 01, 15:02, Scott Long wrote: > All, > > I know that I said last month that we were going to stop promising > specific features for the next major release. However, I'd like to > throw out a list of things that would be really nice to have in the > future, whether its 6.0 or 7.0 or whatever. Most of these tasks are > not trivial, but I hope that talking about them will encourage some > interest. These are in no particular priority order. I'd also be > thrilled if someone wanted to dress this list up in docbook and add > it to the webpage. While this is just my personal list, I'd welcome > other additions to it (in the sense of significant projects, not just > individual PRs or bug fixes that one might be interested in). > From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 03:25:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4451416A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.intellex.com (mail.intellex.com [199.233.213.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0337743D48 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 03:25:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@mail.intellex.com) Received: (qmail 98567 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2004 03:32:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 35624 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 13:41:38 -0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (216.136.204.119) by smtp.intellex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 13:41:38 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056C956017; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:22:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8EE16A598; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:22:30 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E8616A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:11:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (mail.soaustin.net [207.200.4.66]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118EF43D41; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 00:11:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B15E5148D9; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:11:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:11:30 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon X-X-Sender: linimon@pancho To: Scott Long In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:22:17 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 13:01:56 +0000 cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: "current@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 03:25:37 -0000 On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Scott Long wrote: > 2. New installer. [... sysinstall] is fairly good at the simple > task that it does [ ... ] I'll put my bugmeister-hat on and simply say that query-pr suggests otherwise. I have not spent sufficient time examining each of the PRs to figure out what the breakdown is between 'bugs within sysinstall'/ 'unable to boot FreeBSD on hardware'/'user error' but IMHO the first group contains more than a handful of PRs. (the total # is 142.) This is not to say we should abandon the KISS principle and try to come up with some all-singing/all-dancing "thing"; in fact, the opposite. I'd rather we spent time on making something small and solid which would contain enough of its own documentation to prevent people from tearing their hair out while trying to use it. Unlike much of the rest of the system where we assume users have at least some familiarity with FreeBSD (and a working browser), we have to engineer an installer that assumes that both of those are false. Unfortunately for me I probably will never be able to work on this unless someone wants to pay me to work on FreeBSD full-time; too many other things are ahead of it in my personal FreeBSD queue ... mcl _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 16:03:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4612016A4CF for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:03:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.intellex.com (mail.intellex.com [199.233.213.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 452DF43D5F for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:03:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chris@mail.intellex.com) Received: (qmail 46018 invoked by uid 0); 3 Dec 2004 16:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 18767 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 14:00:37 -0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (216.136.204.119) by smtp.intellex.com with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 14:00:37 -0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [216.136.204.18]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC40B58A69; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:39:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EEA016A588; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:39:49 +0000 (GMT) Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994FA16A4CE; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:26:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from altrade.nijmegen.internl.net (altrade.nijmegen.internl.net [217.149.192.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC34743D2D; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 13:26:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from pblok@bsd4all.org) Received: from mail.bsd4all.org by altrade.nijmegen.internl.net via 113-9.bbned.dsl.internl.net [82.215.9.113] with ESMTP id iB2DQl7N019756 (8.12.10/2.04); Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:47 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.bsd4all.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94B9A9C; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:46 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.bsd4all.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (fwgw [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 00863-07; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from ntpc (ntpc [192.168.1.138]) by mail.bsd4all.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FCC85; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:26:39 +0100 (CET) From: "Peter Blok" To: "'Scott Long'" , Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:25:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <41AE3F80.1000506@freebsd.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcTX8aDqii43GAVPRRmNKzED0+X35gAf+iUg Message-Id: <20041202132639.13FCC85@mail.bsd4all.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at bsd4all.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 02 Dec 2004 13:39:44 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: RE: My project wish-list for the next 12 months X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 16:03:28 -0000 As far as the iSCSI stuff, I have the Lucent stuff and am trying to use it as a reference to build an iSCSI target. I have been experimenting a bit. The design goal is to have the negotiation stuff running in a user daemon, while the target data handling is completely in the kernel. I was thinking about using netgraph for the network side of things. On the "disk" side of things I am thinking about a geom provider, but not initially. Initially I will send the SCSI CDBs directly to a tape drive that is used for testing purposes. The project I need this for is to offer a FreeBSD connected tape library to a Windoze box with iSCSI and use native NTBACKUP. Later on the FreeBSD target will be geom based. Peter -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Scott Long Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 11:03 PM To: current@freebsd.org Cc: hackers@freebsd.org Subject: My project wish-list for the next 12 months All, I know that I said last month that we were going to stop promising specific features for the next major release. However, I'd like to throw out a list of things that would be really nice to have in the future, whether its 6.0 or 7.0 or whatever. Most of these tasks are not trivial, but I hope that talking about them will encourage some interest. These are in no particular priority order. I'd also be thrilled if someone wanted to dress this list up in docbook and add it to the webpage. While this is just my personal list, I'd welcome other additions to it (in the sense of significant projects, not just individual PRs or bug fixes that one might be interested in). 1. Keyboard multiplexer. We are running into problems with making ps/2 and USB/bluetooth keyboards work together and work with KVMs. Having a virtual keyboard device that multiplexes the various real keyboard devices and handles hotplug can solve this mess pretty effectively. I know that there has been a lot of talk about this on mailing lists recently but I don't know how much progress is being made so I'm listing it here. 2. New installer. I know some people still consider this a joke, but the reality is that sysinstall is no longer state of the art. It's fairly good at the simple task that it does, but it's becoming harder and harder to fix bugs and extend functionality in it. It's also fairly unfriendly to those of us who haven't been using it since 1995. The DFly folks have some very interesting work in this area (www.bsdinstaller.com) and it would be very good to see if we can collaborate with them on it. 3. Native PCI Express support. I keep on hoping to take care of this, but I never seem to have the time to get past designing it. This task includes 3 parts that are mostly independent. The first is support for the extended PCI config space and memio access method, the second is MSI, and the third is link QOS management. If anyone is interested here, please let me know. 4. Journaled filesystem. While we can debate the merits of speed and data integrety of journalling vs. softupdates, the simple fact remains that softupdates still requires a fsck run on recovery, and the multi-terabyte filesystems that are possible these days make fsck a very long and unpleasant experience, even with bg-fsck. There was work at some point at RPI to add journaling to UFS, but there hasn't been much status on that in a long time. There have also been proposals and works-in-progress to port JFS, ReiserFS, and XFS. Some of these efforts are still alive, but they need to be seen through to completion. But at the risk of opening a can of worms here, I'll say that it's also important to explore non-GPL alternatives. 5. Clustered FS support. SANs are all the rage these days, and clustered filesystems that allow data to be distributed across many storage enpoints and accessed concurrently through the SAN are very powerful. RedHat recently bought Sistina and re-opened the GFS source code, so exploring this would be very interesting. 6. Overhaul CAM, add iSCSI. CAM is very parallel-SCSI centric right now. I have some work-in-progress in Perforce to address this, but it's pretty minimal. The parallel SCSI knowledge needs to be separated out and the stack need to be able to cleanly deal with iSCSI, SCSI, SAS, and maybe even ATA transports. There is a Lucent implementation of iSCSI for FreeBSD 4.x that could be a useful reference, though it's a monolithic stack that doesn't really address the shortcomings of CAM. Having iSCSI infrastructure that supported both hardware and software implementations would be ideal. _______________________________________________ freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 19:45:03 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 647DD16A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:45:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.jazztel.es (smtp2.jazztel.es [62.14.3.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A84843D39; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:45:02 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp2.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CaJML-0006I1-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:44:53 +0100 Received: from [212.106.254.37] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp2.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CaJMK-0006HZ-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:44:52 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3Jir3L000494; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:44:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB3Jiu8a001493; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:44:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: Roman Kurakin Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:44:55 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200412021702.53996.freebsd@redesjm.local> <41B09971.1080209@cronyx.ru> In-Reply-To: <41B09971.1080209@cronyx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412032044.56370.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.103; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org cc: net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about a usb adsl modem driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:45:03 -0000 El Viernes, 3 de Diciembre de 2004 17:50, Roman Kurakin escribi=F3: > Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > >Hi, > > > >I've got a eagle usb adsl modem and get ready to work on FreeBSD > > support for it. > > [...]=20 > > > >My first idea was a sppp based one, that can be ported to all xBSD.=20 > > But now I think that a netgraph thing must be a better first > > contact. > > Note, with Netgraph you may use sppp via ng_sppp(4). Also it is not > to hard to > implement a dual driver. But I sugest to not do that way, especialy > if you want to > support multiple branches. I know how hard is that ;-). > (http://www.cronyx.ru/software/sigma.html) > If your implementation would work with sppp (via ng_sppp(4)) or you > would need > smth additional from sppp(4) let me know. > > rik > Well, this may depend of noted interest. I can work on RELENG_5_3 or RELENG_4, but I need some commiter that can=20 take this into HEAD. I found Netgraph the easy path. A, let's say, ng_uadsl limited only to=20 move aal5 between the modem and netgraph may be enough to use routed=20 protocols, bridged mode, pppoe, pppoa, pptp, user-ppp, sppp, ... just=20 with some equivalents of frame relay nodes and atm_llc, adapted to=20 rfc2684. The hard part of this solution is that we need more userland work to=20 sync all this stuff. Also, I noted that most of home adsl connections are of just only three=20 categories: =2D IPv4 routed (generally LLC) =2D pppoe over ethernet bridge (Only LLC) =2D pppoa (generally VCMux, but also LLC) I think this can be taken by a sppp derived work. pppoa may be really direct (just PDU test/adjust), but the other need=20 more work. IPv4 routed needs some kinda of bypass control, to use only the basic if=20 interface after sppp. pppoe (only client) may be implemented in a single step with ethernet=20 bridge encapsulation as a dial extension. Also, an auto mode for pppoe/pppoa-LLC/pppoa-VCMux may be implemented=20 without too much problem (rotatory mode selection in sucesive dial=20 attemps). Support form OpenBSD must be easy, but NetBSD is another story. This=20 implementation is heavily affected by pppoe works and really differ=20 from FreeBSD/OpenBSD. Also, the usb part needs works. A eagle implementation based on ueagle must be easy. but this driver is,=20 right now, too much 'eagle oriented'. I'll prefer a 'ugen derived' model (used by net/pppoa). Or, at last, a=20 more generic driver. This needs really 'too much manpower' that I can expend now. So, if noboby else have any more to say, I'll work it only two basic=20 directions, time permitting: =2D a sppp based, pppoa only driver for eagle, derived from ueagle, for=20 RELENG_5. =2D a ng_ueagle node for RELENG_5 derived from ueagle. thanks for your time, =2D- josemi From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 19:58:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33BF16A4CE for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:58:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c00l3r.networx.ch (c00l3r.networx.ch [62.48.2.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FDD43D41 for ; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:58:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from andre@freebsd.org) Received: (qmail 39180 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2004 19:49:26 -0000 Received: from dotat.atdotat.at (HELO [62.48.0.47]) ([62.48.0.47]) (envelope-sender ) by c00l3r.networx.ch (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 3 Dec 2004 19:49:26 -0000 Message-ID: <41B0C569.9070704@freebsd.org> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:58:33 +0100 From: Andre Oppermann User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8a5) Gecko/20041122 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jose M Rodriguez References: <200412021702.53996.freebsd@redesjm.local> <41B09971.1080209@cronyx.ru> <200412032044.56370.freebsd@redesjm.local> In-Reply-To: <200412032044.56370.freebsd@redesjm.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit cc: net@freebsd.org cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org cc: Roman Kurakin Subject: Re: about a usb adsl modem driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 19:58:39 -0000 Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > El Viernes, 3 de Diciembre de 2004 17:50, Roman Kurakin escribió: > >>Jose M Rodriguez wrote: >> >>>Hi, >>> >>>I've got a eagle usb adsl modem and get ready to work on FreeBSD >>>support for it. >>>[...] >>> >>>My first idea was a sppp based one, that can be ported to all xBSD. >>>But now I think that a netgraph thing must be a better first >>>contact. >> >>Note, with Netgraph you may use sppp via ng_sppp(4). Also it is not >>to hard to >>implement a dual driver. But I sugest to not do that way, especialy >>if you want to >>support multiple branches. I know how hard is that ;-). >>(http://www.cronyx.ru/software/sigma.html) >>If your implementation would work with sppp (via ng_sppp(4)) or you >>would need >>smth additional from sppp(4) let me know. >> >>rik >> > > Well, this may depend of noted interest. > > I can work on RELENG_5_3 or RELENG_4, but I need some commiter that can > take this into HEAD. > > I found Netgraph the easy path. A, let's say, ng_uadsl limited only to > move aal5 between the modem and netgraph may be enough to use routed > protocols, bridged mode, pppoe, pppoa, pptp, user-ppp, sppp, ... just > with some equivalents of frame relay nodes and atm_llc, adapted to > rfc2684. There is an extensive Netgraph ATM framework in FreeBSD 5.x written by harti@freebsd.org. The only thing you need to do is the hardware driver for the ADSL USB modem. -- Andre > The hard part of this solution is that we need more userland work to > sync all this stuff. > > Also, I noted that most of home adsl connections are of just only three > categories: > > - IPv4 routed (generally LLC) > - pppoe over ethernet bridge (Only LLC) > - pppoa (generally VCMux, but also LLC) > > I think this can be taken by a sppp derived work. > > pppoa may be really direct (just PDU test/adjust), but the other need > more work. > > IPv4 routed needs some kinda of bypass control, to use only the basic if > interface after sppp. > > pppoe (only client) may be implemented in a single step with ethernet > bridge encapsulation as a dial extension. > > Also, an auto mode for pppoe/pppoa-LLC/pppoa-VCMux may be implemented > without too much problem (rotatory mode selection in sucesive dial > attemps). > > Support form OpenBSD must be easy, but NetBSD is another story. This > implementation is heavily affected by pppoe works and really differ > from FreeBSD/OpenBSD. > > Also, the usb part needs works. > > A eagle implementation based on ueagle must be easy. but this driver is, > right now, too much 'eagle oriented'. > > I'll prefer a 'ugen derived' model (used by net/pppoa). Or, at last, a > more generic driver. > > This needs really 'too much manpower' that I can expend now. > > So, if noboby else have any more to say, I'll work it only two basic > directions, time permitting: > > - a sppp based, pppoa only driver for eagle, derived from ueagle, for > RELENG_5. > > - a ng_ueagle node for RELENG_5 derived from ueagle. > > thanks for your time, > -- > josemi > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 3 20:26:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C3F16A4CE; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:26:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.jazztel.es (smtp2.jazztel.es [62.14.3.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A91843D3F; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 20:26:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp2.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CaK05-0000iS-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 21:25:57 +0100 Received: from [212.106.254.37] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp2.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CaK04-0000gl-00 Fri, 03 Dec 2004 21:25:57 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB3KPsGC000649; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:25:54 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB3KPvSr001806; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:25:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: Andre Oppermann Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 21:25:56 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200412021702.53996.freebsd@redesjm.local> <200412032044.56370.freebsd@redesjm.local> <41B0C569.9070704@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <41B0C569.9070704@freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412032125.57063.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.103; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org cc: net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about a usb adsl modem driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 20:26:01 -0000 El Viernes, 3 de Diciembre de 2004 20:58, Andre Oppermann escribi=F3: > Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > > El Viernes, 3 de Diciembre de 2004 17:50, Roman Kurakin escribi=F3: > >>Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > >>>Hi, > >>> > >>>I've got a eagle usb adsl modem and get ready to work on FreeBSD > >>>support for it. > >>>[...] [...] > > I found Netgraph the easy path. A, let's say, ng_uadsl limited only > > to move aal5 between the modem and netgraph may be enough to use > > routed protocols, bridged mode, pppoe, pppoa, pptp, user-ppp, sppp, > > ... just with some equivalents of frame relay nodes and atm_llc, > > adapted to rfc2684. > > There is an extensive Netgraph ATM framework in FreeBSD 5.x written > by harti@freebsd.org. The only thing you need to do is the hardware > driver for the ADSL USB modem. This one of the main reasons to 'go netgraph'. In fact, the actual=20 ueagle driver uses NATM. But noted strong differences between atm boards and adsl modems. =2D atm boards are hardware assisted. usb adsl modems are bare assisted. =2D atm boards support better signaling, multiple channels, ... usb adsl=20 modems just one PVC with uni signaling. So I realize that try to get a NATM/NETGRAPH hardware driver may be too=20 work for little gain. Right now, I think that maintain a ng_uadsl closer enough to ng_atm must=20 be a better solution. In other words, take harti work as a reference, but let uadsl=20 independent of atm works. =2D- josemi From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 4 00:56:12 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3729616A4CE; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:56:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org (arginine.spc.org [195.206.69.236]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9519043D41; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:56:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from bms@spc.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E596546C; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:56:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arginine.spc.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (arginine.spc.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 32540-04-3; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:56:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from empiric.dek.spc.org (dhcp120.icir.org [192.150.187.120]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by arginine.spc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C4C65418; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 00:56:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: by empiric.dek.spc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EBF2D6710; Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:56:06 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 16:56:06 -0800 From: Bruce M Simpson To: Jose M Rodriguez Message-ID: <20041204005606.GF745@empiric.icir.org> References: <200412021702.53996.freebsd@redesjm.local> <200412032044.56370.freebsd@redesjm.local> <41B0C569.9070704@freebsd.org> <200412032125.57063.freebsd@redesjm.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200412032125.57063.freebsd@redesjm.local> cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Andre Oppermann cc: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org cc: net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about a usb adsl modem driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 00:56:12 -0000 On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 09:25:56PM +0100, Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > But noted strong differences between atm boards and adsl modems. > > - atm boards are hardware assisted. usb adsl modems are bare assisted. > - atm boards support better signaling, multiple channels, ... usb adsl > modems just one PVC with uni signaling. Not really. See below. > So I realize that try to get a NATM/NETGRAPH hardware driver may be too > work for little gain. Actually writing a NATM driver is far easier than writing a HARP driver. And Harti's newer drivers for ATM cards are, in fact, NATM drivers. You only need to implement Netgraph hooks. You don't need to worry about implementing Netgraph protocol nodes, generally. You might want to contact Benno Rice, he was working on a software AAL5 kernel module to augment netnatm, which would help if you're targeting the lower end ADSL hardware. Regards, BMS From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 4 09:09:53 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EB516A4CE; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:09:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.jazztel.es (smtp2.jazztel.es [62.14.3.162]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F04C43D41; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:09:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from josemi@freebsd.jazztel.es) Received: from antivirus by smtp2.jazztel.es with antivirus id 1CaVv6-0005Uk-00 Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:09:36 +0100 Received: from [212.106.254.37] (helo=rguez.homeunix.net) by smtp2.jazztel.es with esmtp id 1CaVv5-0005UN-00 Sat, 04 Dec 2004 10:09:35 +0100 Received: from redesjm.local (orion.redesjm.local [192.168.254.16]) by rguez.homeunix.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iB499aLM000544; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:09:36 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) Received: by redesjm.local (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id iB499en5083031; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:09:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from freebsd@redesjm.local) From: Jose M Rodriguez To: Bruce M Simpson Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:09:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <200412021702.53996.freebsd@redesjm.local> <200412032125.57063.freebsd@redesjm.local> <20041204005606.GF745@empiric.icir.org> In-Reply-To: <20041204005606.GF745@empiric.icir.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412041009.39629.freebsd@redesjm.local> X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir Milter (version: 1.1; AVE: 6.28.0.19; VDF: 6.28.0.104; host: antares.redesjm.local) X-Virus-Scanned: by antivirus cc: hackers@freebsd.org cc: Andre Oppermann cc: Jose M Rodriguez cc: freebsd-usb@freebsd.org cc: net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: about a usb adsl modem driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 09:09:53 -0000 El S=E1bado, 4 de Diciembre de 2004 01:56, Bruce M Simpson escribi=F3: > On Fri, Dec 03, 2004 at 09:25:56PM +0100, Jose M Rodriguez wrote: > > But noted strong differences between atm boards and adsl modems. > > > > - atm boards are hardware assisted. usb adsl modems are bare > > assisted. - atm boards support better signaling, multiple channels, > > ... usb adsl modems just one PVC with uni signaling. > > Not really. See below. > > > So I realize that try to get a NATM/NETGRAPH hardware driver may be > > too work for little gain. > > Actually writing a NATM driver is far easier than writing a HARP > driver. And Harti's newer drivers for ATM cards are, in fact, NATM > drivers. You only need to implement Netgraph hooks. You don't need to > worry about implementing Netgraph protocol nodes, generally. > I think so. The actual ueagle driver do that, only needs NetGraph=20 aditions. My objections to implement NATM are related to the final operation. =20 What you get througt NATM is of low interest for usb adsl users. You don't need signaling managers, multipe channels, ... I think that a direct, one PVC, usb adsl version of ng_atm will do the=20 work. I think implement the netgraph support directly in the usb=20 driver. About the rest of the ng_ nodes involved, I think the only problem is=20 ng_atmllc. To be a generic aal5 frame diverter, it lacks some funtionality like=20 VCMux support or ppp VcMux/LLC autoswitch. > You might want to contact Benno Rice, he was working on a software > AAL5 kernel module to augment netnatm, which would help if you're > targeting the lower end ADSL hardware. > My initial plans was implement this as part of the driver, but I no=20 have any objections to this. But I'll prefer take this in the future,=20 when we have a working driver (Well, another. ueagle really works on=20 RELENG_5). Any pointer on this is welcome. =2D- josemi > Regards, > BMS From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 4 09:41:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C90416A4CE for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:41:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (imap.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A42543D64 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 09:41:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from free.bsd@gmx.net) Received: (qmail 10575 invoked by uid 0); 4 Dec 2004 09:41:22 -0000 Received: from 141.20.195.71 by www50.gmx.net with HTTP; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:41:22 +0100 (MET) Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 10:41:22 +0100 (MET) From: "freebsd_daemon" To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="========GMXBoundary172721102153282" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Authenticated: #20105305 Message-ID: <17272.1102153282@www50.gmx.net> X-Mailer: WWW-Mail 1.6 (Global Message Exchange) X-Flags: 0001 Subject: Acer TM 603TER freezes on 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 09:41:29 -0000 This is a MIME encapsulated multipart message - please use a MIME-compliant e-mail program to open it. Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format - bitte verwenden Sie zum Lesen ein MIME-konformes Mailprogramm. --========GMXBoundary172721102153282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear list, Installing FreeBSD 5.x (5.0, 5.1, 5.2, 5.2.1, and 5.3) on my Acer Travelmate 603TER the machine freezes after being up for a few seconds (just enough time to mount my USB stick and save a dmesg). On 5.3R I get an "ata1-slave: FAILURE - ATAPI_IDENTIFY timed out" error message (I am not sure if the freeze is related to this), otherwise the install works okay (no freeze); did not used to be so on the other 5.x-Releases (froze during install). It does not matter if I boot with ACPI enabled or disabled; it always freezes. I do not experience that problem with 4.x (since 4.6R) and not with OpenBSD 3.5 and 3.6. I would really apreciate some advice and help. The dmesg from the last try (5.3R) is attached. 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stefan@swebase.com) Received: from [213.80.36.8] by mail2.swebase.com (MDaemon.PRO.v7.2.1.R) with ESMTP id md50000210780.msg for ; Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:24:03 +0100 Message-ID: <41B07635.9060705@swebase.com> Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:20:37 +0100 From: Stefan Midjich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Processed: mail2.swebase.com, Fri, 03 Dec 2004 15:24:03 +0100 (not processed: message from valid local sender) X-MDRemoteIP: 213.80.36.8 X-Return-Path: stefan@swebase.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:13:30 +0000 Subject: Rebooting the kernel without resetting uptime? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2004 14:24:57 -0000 Hi I know a guy i respect on IRC told me this is not possible but since this is the hackers list i thought the topic at least deserves a discussion. I guess i wont be able to sit still until someone either does it or shows me why it can't be done. -- Med vänliga hälsningar Stefan Midjich, Swebase AB Tel: 042-20 15 00 Fax: 042-20 15 03 E-post: stefan@swebase.com Webb: http://swebase.com From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 4 13:23:51 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B459B16A4CE for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:23:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from amsfep18-int.chello.nl (amsfep18-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D5F43D54 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:23:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Danovitsch@vitsch.net) Received: from Vitsch.net ([212.187.78.35]) by amsfep18-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.03.04 201-2131-111-106-20040729) with ESMTP id <20041204132348.OEOQ7692.amsfep18-int.chello.nl@Vitsch.net> for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:23:48 +0100 Received: from Racebeest.Danovitsch.LAN (b83007.upc-b.chello.nl [212.83.83.7]) by Vitsch.net (8.12.3p2/8.11.3) with ESMTP id iB4DN6eD091651 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:23:07 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Danovitsch@vitsch.net) From: "Daan Vreeken [PA4DAN]" To: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 14:23:36 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200412041423.36735.Danovitsch@vitsch.net> Subject: Problem (interrupt storm) with snd_ich X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:23:51 -0000 Hi All, I'm having a problem with the snd_ich driver. Directly after loading the snd_ich module pcm0 is detected correctly, but "vmstat -i" shows about 40000 interrupts every second caused by pcm0. The problem shows up with both custom kernels and GENERIC, with or without snd_ich compiled into the kernel. After adding a printf() to the ich_intr() routine it showed that all interrupts have 0x400 (ICH_GLOB_STA_PRES) set. The ich_intr() has a comment about clearing this interrupt in the following lines : /* Clear resume interrupt(s) - nothing doing with them */ ich_wr(sc, ICH_REG_GLOB_STA, gs, 4); Although this code should clear the interrupt, this doesn't seem to work on my laptop somehow. In ich_init() ICH_GLOB_CTL_PRES gets set in the ICH_REG_GLOB_CNT register. If I remove this bit in ich_init(), the interrupt problem goes away and pcm0 works as expected. I have changed the following line in ich_init() : Original line : ich_wr(sc, ICH_REG_GLOB_CNT, ICH_GLOB_CTL_COLD | ICH_GLOB_CTL_PRES, 4); New line : ich_wr(sc, ICH_REG_GLOB_CNT, ICH_GLOB_CTL_COLD, 4); I'm not an ICH expert, so I don't know if I have just disabled a suspend/resume feature that is really needed or not, but it does solve my problem. I would like to know if anyone else has seen this problem before, and if there is a better solution to it. The relevant part of "pciconf -lv" : pcm0@pci0:2:7: class=0x040100 card=0x17631043 chip=0x70121039 rev=0xa0 hdr=0x00 vendor = 'Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS)' device = 'SiS7012 PCI Audio Accelerator' class = multimedia subclass = audio Feel free to ask for more information. I'm willing to test patches and give feedback. Thanks, Daan From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 4 13:28:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8EA16A4CE for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:28:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.dnainternet.net (smtp2.dnainternet.net [62.240.72.111]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23B0D43D5A for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 13:28:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erik.u@dnainternet.net) Received: from b-204-211.cable.kpy.customers.dnainternet.fi ([212.149.204.211]:58307smtp2.dnainternet.net with ESMTP id S1228814AbULDN20 (ORCPT ); Sat, 4 Dec 2004 15:28:26 +0200 Message-ID: <41B1BB7A.1010100@dnainternet.net> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:28:26 +0200 From: Erik Udo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041127) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <41B07635.9060705@swebase.com> In-Reply-To: <41B07635.9060705@swebase.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Rebooting the kernel without resetting uptime? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 13:28:29 -0000 Stefan Midjich wrote: > Hi > > I know a guy i respect on IRC told me this is not possible but since > this is the hackers list i thought the topic at least deserves a > discussion. I guess i wont be able to sit still until someone either > does it or shows me why it can't be done. Everthing is possible! Even more possible if the source is open! From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 4 19:08:16 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F4EE16A4CE for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:08:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ims-1.prv.ampira.com (ims-1.ampira.com [66.179.231.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1036E43D45 for ; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 19:08:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kamalp@acm.org) Received: from [202.142.94.194] (helo=[172.16.3.26]) by ims-1.prv.ampira.com with asmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1CafDF-0003bk-HB for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2004 14:04:58 -0500 Message-ID: <41B20B19.3090204@acm.org> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:38:09 +0530 From: "Kamal R. Prasad" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.7.3 (Windows/20040803) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: mmap() X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2004 19:08:16 -0000 Hello, I wrote an mmap() interface for a USB device. But when I made a call to it using mmap(), I saw that mmap interface is called 3-4 times. The calls are being made from within mmap() i.e. sys/vm/vm_mmap.c. Can someone tell me if there is something like a re-try going on for some reason? From userspace, I called it as addr = mmap(NULL, 1024, PROT_READ, MAP_SHARED, fd, 0); The version of OS is Freebsd 5.3(stable). thanks -kamal