From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 5 07:06:25 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF92816A4CE; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:06:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org (nezlok.unixathome.org [66.154.97.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9183043D31; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 07:06:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@nezlok.unixathome.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8349F57D1; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nezlok.unixathome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nezlok.unixathome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99026-04; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:10:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by nezlok.unixathome.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 10797579A; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Langille To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040905071002.10797579A@nezlok.unixathome.org> Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at unixathome.org Subject: The FreeBSD Diary: 2004-08-15 - 2004-09-04 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 07:06:26 -0000 The FreeBSD Diary contains a large number of practical examples and how-to guides. This message is posted weekly to freebsd-questions@freebsd.org with the aim of letting people know what's available on the website. Before you post a question here it might be a good idea to first search the mailing list archives and/or The FreeBSD Diary . These are the articles posted during this period: 3-Sep : Disk cloning with Acronis True Image I wanted to use dd, but True Image did the job! http://freebsddiary.org/disk-cloning.php?2 1-Sep : Using a jail as a virtual machine Sharing the hardware, without the risk http://freebsddiary.org/jail.php?2 -- Dan Langille BSDCan - http://www.BSDCan.org/ - BSD Conference From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 5 23:12:28 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D17E16A4CE for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:12:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (fed1rmmtao09.cox.net [68.230.241.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6885043D39 for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:12:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rtmcrider@cox.net) Received: from jgugerty ([68.228.236.122]) by fed1rmmtao09.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040905231221.HSQI16651.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@jgugerty> for ; Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:12:21 -0400 From: "Jim" To: Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:12:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Thread-Index: AcSTncw8ETUDyqfvR/GTvlSVh2OSDQ== Message-Id: <20040905231221.HSQI16651.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@jgugerty> Subject: Administering a web and mailing list server at home... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 23:12:28 -0000 Hi - I would like to host a website at home that has information for the local motorcycling community. I would also like to offer a mailing list server for groups to use for informing subscribers of upcoming rides and events. List members could also share experiences and help each other with advice. I have installed FreeBSD 4.10 Stable on an extra machine I have and have been using the FreeBSD Handbook as well as a couple of other books - Absolute BSD and FreeBSD Unleashed - to learn how to administer such a system. It is pretty daunting. I like doing things myself, and I like to learn. It seems to me I would lose a lot of control and have software tool choice limitations placed upon me that would make my experiences less satisfying if I were to remotely administer my site on a commercial server. I have learned a lot so far, but I think I need to get some help in selecting the tools that are required to accomplish my goals. It seems the best (only) choice is Apache for my web server. Also, Python would be my choice for a scripting language. From what I've read so far, Postfix seems to be the MTA I should use and my mailing list server should be Mailman. Do I need a database? Any thoughts, comments, experiences, insights, and/or suggestions would greatly be appreciated. Thanks in advance! Jim From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 6 01:39:35 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB5416A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:39:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1E843D2D for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:39:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Sun, 5 Sep 2004 20:36:23 -0500 Message-ID: <413BBFD3.6090204@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 20:39:31 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim References: <20040905231221.HSQI16651.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@jgugerty> In-Reply-To: <20040905231221.HSQI16651.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@jgugerty> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Sep 2004 01:36:24.0139 (UTC) FILETIME=[EB6B51B0:01C493B1] cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Administering a web and mailing list server at home... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 01:39:35 -0000 Jim wrote: >Hi - > >I would like to host a website at home that has information for the local >motorcycling community. I would also like to offer a mailing list server for >groups to use for informing subscribers of upcoming rides and events. List >members could also share experiences and help each other with advice. > >I have installed FreeBSD 4.10 Stable on an extra machine I have and have >been using the FreeBSD Handbook as well as a couple of other books - >Absolute BSD and FreeBSD Unleashed - to learn how to administer such a >system. > >It is pretty daunting. I like doing things myself, and I like to learn. It >seems to me I would lose a lot of control and have software tool choice >limitations placed upon me that would make my experiences less satisfying if >I were to remotely administer my site on a commercial server. > >I have learned a lot so far, but I think I need to get some help in >selecting the tools that are required to accomplish my goals. It seems the >best (only) choice is Apache for my web server. Also, Python would be my >choice for a scripting language. From what I've read so far, Postfix seems >to be the MTA I should use and my mailing list server should be Mailman. Do >I need a database? > > Do you have data that could be more easily used with one than without? >Any thoughts, comments, experiences, insights, and/or suggestions would >greatly be appreciated. > >Thanks in advance! > > It it a tad daunting; but probably you can do it --- you have "learned a lot so far" ... any reason it might stop? I might proffer the opinion that in contrast to the statement "seems to me I would lose a lot of control and have software tool choice limitations..." that it might very well be the opposite case. As administrator of the server, *you* choose what software will be installed, not someone else. Unless you are talking about proprietary software, it's out there; many hosting services use freely available "Open Source" code for almost every purpose there is. There are "Open Source" functional equivalents for so many things.... My $0.02, Kevin Kinsey From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 6 15:30:30 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A52016A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:30:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91.asp.att.net [204.127.203.211]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4D1A43D1D for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:30:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metaridley@mchsi.com) Received: from kaworu.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id <20040906153027m91000vp1pe>; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:30:27 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:29:52 -0500 From: Dave Vollenweider To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040906102952.0c9b876e.metaridley@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <20040905231221.HSQI16651.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@jgugerty> References: <20040905231221.HSQI16651.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@jgugerty> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Administering a web and mailing list server at home... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:30:30 -0000 On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:12:22 -0700 "Jim" wrote: > It is pretty daunting. I like doing things myself, and I like to learn. It > seems to me I would lose a lot of control and have software tool choice > limitations placed upon me that would make my experiences less satisfying if > I were to remotely administer my site on a commercial server. Good for you! I tried administering a site on a commercial server once, but there were so many things that I wanted to do that required root access, which they didn't give me. I'm like you, in that respect, always wanting as much control as possible. As an alternative, you could look into a commerical web hosting company that uses FreeBSD and puts every site in its own jail. You'd then have a root password for the jail and can do whatever you want with it without affecting the rest of the system. Still, if you like to learn, having your own system is still the best way to go. :) > > I have learned a lot so far, but I think I need to get some help in > selecting the tools that are required to accomplish my goals. It seems the > best (only) choice is Apache for my web server. Also, Python would be my > choice for a scripting language. From what I've read so far, Postfix seems > to be the MTA I should use and my mailing list server should be Mailman. Do > I need a database? > > Any thoughts, comments, experiences, insights, and/or suggestions would > greatly be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim There are other web servers out there, but Apache has pretty much become the de facto standard for Unix systems (of which FreeBSD is one by historical roots, even if it's not registered with The Open Group). For what you need, you'll probably need most of its features. Combine that with its extensive documentation on the Web and in print and I think it's still the best choice for you. You may need a database for the mailing list server, and unless you decide to make your own mailing list program, the one you use will most likely install the database you need as a dependency (that's the beauty of the Ports Collection and the pagage system). Database administration is beyond my scope of knowledge, though, so all I can do is wish you the best of luck! - Dave From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 6 21:00:36 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788F816A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:00:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ganzman.no-ip.org (cable-181-97.inter.net.il [80.230.181.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35EF343D46 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:00:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ganzman@ganzman.no-ip.org) Received: from [192.168.100.230] (HELO ganzman.no-ip.org) by ganzman.no-ip.org (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.5) with SMTP id 1590002 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 20:24:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:21:52 +0300 From: ron ganzer To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040906192152.3a32be39@ganzman.no-ip.org> In-Reply-To: <20040905231221.HSQI16651.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@jgugerty> References: <20040905231221.HSQI16651.fed1rmmtao09.cox.net@jgugerty> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.10claws (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Administering a web and mailing list server at home... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:00:36 -0000 *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* On Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:12:22 -0700 "Jim" wrote: > *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* > Hi - > > I would like to host a website at home that has information for the local > motorcycling community. I would also like to offer a mailing list server for > groups to use for informing subscribers of upcoming rides and events. List > members could also share experiences and help each other with advice. > > I have installed FreeBSD 4.10 Stable on an extra machine I have and have > been using the FreeBSD Handbook as well as a couple of other books - > Absolute BSD and FreeBSD Unleashed - to learn how to administer such a > system. > > It is pretty daunting. I like doing things myself, and I like to learn. It > seems to me I would lose a lot of control and have software tool choice > limitations placed upon me that would make my experiences less satisfying if > I were to remotely administer my site on a commercial server. > > I have learned a lot so far, but I think I need to get some help in > selecting the tools that are required to accomplish my goals. It seems the > best (only) choice is Apache for my web server. Also, Python would be my > choice for a scripting language. From what I've read so far, Postfix seems > to be the MTA I should use and my mailing list server should be Mailman. Do > I need a database? > > Any thoughts, comments, experiences, insights, and/or suggestions would > greatly be appreciated. > > Thanks in advance! > > Jim > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-newbies > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-newbies-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" i think running your own beats any comm hosting!! apache would definatly be my choice for the web server for two reasons: 1. its (as was said) the "de facto" server for unix&liux 2. its probably the server with the most support sites/groups/lists which makes it the easiest to troubleshoot (someone must have encountered them b4 you) as for mailing list ...... have a look here http://www.freebsddiary.org/majordomo.php and the most important advice - enjoy yourself :) From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 6 22:18:44 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A32716A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:18:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (freeode.co.uk [213.162.123.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E9D43D48 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:18:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) Received: from lexx (lexx.freeode.co.uk [10.253.253.2]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i86MIfK8000813; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:18:41 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) From: John Murphy To: "oscar wicks" Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 23:18:41 +0100 Message-ID: <5kkpj0djag8gg11g11d4dijk2ui94qjubv@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: init: not found in path...panic:no init X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sub01@freeode.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:18:44 -0000 "oscar wicks" wrote: >booting from floppy, and sysinstall run flawlessy, what happens is that >my laptop was a too poor memory one. i put all DRAM supported (20Mb) and >that all. thanks for give me some clues. You're welcome. Glad to hear you persevered. I think you said it's a 386 processor so I hope you aren't expecting too much performance. If you have installed the 'man' pages and documentation you'll find a wealth of information already available. The latest version of the handbook and FAQ are available online here: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/index.html You can use Google to search the FreeBSD mailing lists here: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&group=mailing.freebsd Also you can follow the freebsd questions mailing list at: http://docs.freebsd.org/mail/current/freebsd-questions.html Which is usually more up-to-date than Google. I've CC'd this to newbies@freebsd.org (where you initially posted) but remember to use questions@freebsd.org for technical help if you need it. -- John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 6 22:30:20 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE4D16A4CF for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:30:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (fed1rmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.241.34]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6D943D2F for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 22:30:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rtmcrider@cox.net) Received: from jgugerty ([68.228.236.122]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.03.02.01 201-2131-111-104-103-20040709) with ESMTP id <20040906223008.YGSO28358.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@jgugerty> for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:30:08 -0400 From: "Jim" To: Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:30:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcSUYRErk6jnwE4hR6+vjGa3gSfR6Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20040906223008.YGSO28358.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@jgugerty> Subject: Administering a web and mailing list server at home... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 22:30:21 -0000 All - Thank you for your replies with much appreciated encouragement, information, and suggestions! Kevin Kinsey wrote: I might proffer the opinion that in contrast to the statement "seems to me I would lose a lot of control and have software tool choice limitations..." that it might very well be the opposite case. As administrator of the server, *you* choose what software will be installed, not someone else. Unless you are talking about proprietary software, it's out there; many hosting services use freely available "Open Source" code for almost every purpose there is. Dave Vollenweider wrote: As an alternative, you could look into a commercial web hosting company that uses FreeBSD and puts every site in its own jail. You'd then have a root password for the jail and can do whatever you want with it without affecting the rest of the system. As a result of these two comments, I looked into the possibility of a vps host. This does seem to solve problems I have with my current provider explicitly stating that operating a web server through their connection violates my user agreement. I am also investigating the alternative choices I have been given for my MTA and mailing list manager software. Thank you all again! Jim From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 7 10:49:45 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E1216A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:49:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.97]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC63643D1D for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:49:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from brisbanebsd@mac.com) Received: from mac.com (webmail07-en1 [10.13.11.149]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id i87AnjD2006632 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 03:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webmail07 (localhost [127.0.0.1])i87Anj00014130 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 03:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4409622.1094554185019.JavaMail.brisbanebsd@mac.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:49:45 +1000 From: brisbanebsd@mac.com To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 203.113.210.222, 202.45.107.1/instID=32 Subject: ipfw2 in 5.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:49:45 -0000 hi - this is my first post to this list so go easy on me ! I am trying to find info on using ipfw2 with freebsd 5.2.1 as I have read that it supports MAC address based firewalling. Situation is, I have a small externally managed VPN network, about 12 different subnets all terminating in my office location, and all managed by a tier 1 telco. Problem is, their CPE routers do not have any firewalling capability. I was going to try and place a freebsd box between this external netowrk and my internal network and only allow traffic from know MAC addresses. I cannot find a lot of info on google on compiling the kernal for ipfw2, and their is no man page for ipfw2 only ipfw. If thisis the wrong list can someone please direct me to the right one. Ta. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 7 11:02:07 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A2216A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:02:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (it.buh.tecnik93.com [81.196.204.98]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60EC543D2D for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:02:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with SMTP id D929410A; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:01:55 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:01:54 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: brisbanebsd@mac.com Message-ID: <20040907140154.10adf814@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <4409622.1094554185019.JavaMail.brisbanebsd@mac.com> References: <4409622.1094554185019.JavaMail.brisbanebsd@mac.com> Followup-To: questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 0.9.12a (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd5.3) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ipfw2 in 5.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:02:07 -0000 [ 72 chars / line, please, it's a lot easier to read ] On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 20:49:45 +1000 brisbanebsd@mac.com wrote: > hi - this is my first post to this list so go easy on me ! I am trying > to find info on using ipfw2 with freebsd 5.2.1 as I have read that it > supports MAC address based firewalling. [ ... ] > I cannot find a lot of info on google on compiling the kernal for > ipfw2, and their is no man page for ipfw2 only ipfw. Well, it is the page for ipfw2 and reading it entirely would have told you that (it also featuring a section on how to compile ipfw2 on 4.x systems that come with ipfw1 by default). > If thisis the wrong list can someone please direct me to the right > one. Yes, question should be asked on ... you guessed questions@freebsd.org Please follow-up there. -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 6 13:20:10 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9541A16A4CE for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:20:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from medions.dk (mail227.scannet.dk [194.255.126.227]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978AA43D58 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 2004 13:20:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from rune@medions.dk) Received: from IT1 [80.196.216.211] by medions.dk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.07) id A4058E30150; Mon, 06 Sep 2004 15:20:05 +0200 Message-ID: <00c901c49415$141ee690$6802a8c0@IT1> From: "Rune Nielsen" To: "FreeBSD Help" Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:26:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 11:55:01 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: PostFix or what? X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:20:10 -0000 Hi, What mailserver do you prefer? -it is a must that the users is authensicateing through MySQL, and if = posible, then it would be great with a webadmin tool to administrate the = server with. Rune. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 7 16:40:22 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D71C16A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:40:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-03.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.35]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F1B4A43D49 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:40:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from outsidefactor@iinet.net.au) Received: (qmail 29288 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2004 16:40:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tyr) (203.173.32.104) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 7 Sep 2004 16:40:16 -0000 From: "Chris Martin" To: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 02:39:08 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <4409622.1094554185019.JavaMail.brisbanebsd@mac.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcSUyG3QClaoWtNEQvmeItuWzXdDGgAL4P/Q Message-Id: <20040907164018.F1B4A43D49@mx1.FreeBSD.org> Subject: RE: ipfw2 in 5.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:40:22 -0000 G'day. > > hi - this is my first post to this list so go easy on me ! Welcome. > I am trying to > find info on using ipfw2 with freebsd 5.2.1 as I have read that it > supports MAC address based firewalling. The ipfw manpage has this to say: { MAC | mac } dst-mac src-mac Match packets with a given dst-mac and src-mac addresses, speci- fied as the any keyword (matching any MAC address), or six groups of hex digits separated by colons, and optionally followed by a mask indicating the significant bits. The mask may be specified using either of the following methods: 1. A slash (/) followed by the number of significant bits. For example, an address with 33 significant bits could be specified as: MAC 10:20:30:40:50:60/33 any 2. An ampersand (&) followed by a bitmask specified as six groups of hex digits separated by colons. For example, an address in which the last 16 bits are significant could be specified as: MAC 10:20:30:40:50:60&00:00:00:00:ff:ff any Note that the ampersand character has a special meaning in many shells and should generally be escaped. Note that the order of MAC addresses (destination first, source second) is the same as on the wire, but the opposite of the one used for IP addresses. e.g.: 00500 0 0 allow ip from any to any MAC 00:30:4f:27:0e:1a any via ath1 00501 0 0 allow ip from any to any MAC any 00:30:4f:27:0e:1a via ath1 > I cannot find a lot of info on google on compiling the kernal for ipfw2, > and their is no man page for ipfw2 only ipfw. If you compile ipfw on 5.x it is ipfw2. In the ipfw manpage: NOTE: this manual page documents the newer version of ipfw introduced in FreeBSD CURRENT in July 2002, also known as ipfw2. ipfw2 is a superset of the old firewall, ipfw1. The differences between the two are listed in Section IPFW2 ENHANCEMENTS, which you are encouraged to read to revise older rulesets and possibly write them more effi- ciently. See Section USING IPFW2 IN FreeBSD-STABLE for instructions on how to run ipfw2 on FreeBSD STABLE. This is a good start: http://www.au.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/firewalls.html This is an OK set of more advanced rules (though they assume you have static addresses): http://www.acme.com/firewall.html Hope that helps! From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 7 18:14:32 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C702616A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:14:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.online.ie (mail.online.ie [213.159.130.68]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69EDC43D1F for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:14:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from domain.admin@online.ie) Received: from [10.10.0.32] (helo=web1.www.online.ie) by mail.online.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1C4kUB-0004Ay-9w for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:14:31 +0100 Received: (from nobody@localhost)freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:14:30 +0100 Received: from cmung705.cmu.carnet.hr (cmung705.cmu.carnet.hr [193.198.130.197]) by mail.online.ie (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:14:30 +0200 Message-ID: <1094580870.413dfa868c1cf@mail.online.ie> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:14:30 +0200 From: Guybrush Threepwood To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 193.198.130.197 Subject: ran out of space while compiling the kernel.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 18:14:32 -0000 Greetings and salutations I wanted to set up my FreeBSD 4.7 box as a gateway for my other computer. this required installing an ISDN card, which I did and then I tried to recompile my kernel to enable isdn4bsd support. everything went fine till the final part "make install" which produces this: install -m 555 -o root -g wheel -fschg kernel /kernel /: write failed, file system is full install: /kernel: No space left on device *** Error code 71 Stop in /sys/compile/ISDN4BSD. great. so I tried df, here's what it says: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/ad0s1a 128990 125886 -7214 106% / /dev/ad0s1f 257998 10 237350 0% /tmp /dev/ad0s1g 8779334 849508 7227480 11% /usr /dev/ad0s1e 257998 4586 232774 2% /var procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc before compiling the kernel "/" capacity was at 75%. What happened when I compiled, how did it get filled up? can I encrase the syze of the root mount point? what should I do? any advice will be greatly appriciated -- The lady on the call box in Monkey Island 2 Guybrush: I'm lost in the Inky Island Jungle in Monkey 2 Lady: Just walk off the edge of the screen From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 7 23:15:39 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3B116A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:15:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from in.flite.net (in.flite.net [207.203.36.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE4C43D4C for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:15:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hide110@us-it.net) Received: from mail.us-it.net (web1.webave.net [207.203.36.9] (may be forged)) by in.flite.net (8.12.8p1/8.12.8) with SMTP id i87NFbcx005721 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:15:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from hide110@us-it.net) Message-Id: <200409072315.i87NFbcx005721@in.flite.net> From: "hide110" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:15:37 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: US-IT Webmail / v1.0 Subject: General Unix Learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:15:39 -0000 Please forgive me if this is not the right place to turn but, I figure you all would be able to share your wisdom with me. I am a Windows user and I've hated it for the past few years. The Unix experience I have accrued has mainly been working from a shell account; nothing really in detail about the actual operating system or installation. I have considered FreeBSD & Linux, but really, for a desktop system do you guys think it's viable for a nearly pure unix newbie to tinker around with BSD? Or would it be easier to start with Linux & eventually port over to BSD? Normally I'd take my own advice (if you want to use BSD, use BSD, if you want to use Linux at the end of the day, use that) but I'm just trying to be practical with all learning curves taken into consideration. My deepest apologies if I should not be asking something like this here. But any replies would be terribly appreciated. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Sep 7 23:37:43 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F93516A4CE for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:37:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.freeode.co.uk (freeode.co.uk [213.162.123.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6029643D54 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:37:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) Received: from lexx (lexx.freeode.co.uk [10.253.253.2]) by mail.freeode.co.uk (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i87NbNK8004482; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:37:40 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from spam-trap@freeode.co.uk) From: John Murphy To: Guybrush Threepwood Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:37:23 +0100 Message-ID: <8nbsj097m3pinight1hvitmh90kpnogj43@4ax.com> References: <1094580870.413dfa868c1cf@mail.online.ie> In-Reply-To: <1094580870.413dfa868c1cf@mail.online.ie> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ran out of space while compiling the kernel.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: sub01@freeode.co.uk List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 23:37:43 -0000 Guybrush Threepwood wrote: >Greetings and salutations To you too. >I wanted to set up my FreeBSD 4.7 box as a gateway for my other computer. >this required installing an ISDN card, which I did and then I tried to >recompile my kernel to enable isdn4bsd support. > >everything went fine till the final part "make install" which produces this: > >install -m 555 -o root -g wheel -fschg kernel /kernel > >/: write failed, file system is full >install: /kernel: No space left on device >*** Error code 71 > >Stop in /sys/compile/ISDN4BSD. It may have only missed by a few Bytes. >great. so I tried df, here's what it says: > >Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on >/dev/ad0s1a 128990 125886 -7214 106% / >/dev/ad0s1f 257998 10 237350 0% /tmp >/dev/ad0s1g 8779334 849508 7227480 11% /usr >/dev/ad0s1e 257998 4586 232774 2% /var >procfs 4 4 0 100% >/proc > >before compiling the kernel "/" capacity was at 75%. What happened when I >compiled, On my 5.2.1 system (and it was probably the same on 4.7) the default is to build new kernel modules after backing up the old ones in the /boot/kernel.old directory. So try: du -hc /boot/kernel To see how many blocks are used there. Add that to the size of the compiled kernel (when you've retrieved some space) and it's probably close to 25% of 129MByte. Close enough to believe the error message. >how did it get filled up? Only you would know, presuming you're the only user with 'root' access. You have /var and /tmp on different partitions so no problem there. >can I encrase the syze of the root mount point? There should be no need to. >what should I do? Find which process or user is abusing the root file system and make it stop, and then move or delete the errant files. I'd guess you've been filling /root so try: du -hc /root >any advice will be greatly appriciated You should only ask technical questions at questions@freebsd.org As a newbie, which is mostly who you'll find on a newbie list, I could be dangerously wrong. Could've been a simple typo which if commanded by the super user would have erased a crucial part of the file system. Such an error would be spotted by other subscribers, to the questions@ list, who quickly respond with corrections. There are times when the newbie@ list is so quiet that there may not be any "peer review". Not good for quality technical questions and answers. Be 'root' as rarely as possible. -- HTH, John. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 00:21:41 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 084A916A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:21:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92.asp.att.net [204.127.203.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A2D43D5E for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:21:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from metaridley@mchsi.com) Received: from kaworu.dave.cedar-falls.ia.us (12-219-24-19.client.mchsi.com[12.219.24.19]) by sccmmhc92.asp.att.net (sccmmhc92) with SMTP id <20040908002138m920003025e>; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 00:21:38 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 19:21:08 -0500 From: Dave Vollenweider To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20040907192108.0abc7175.metaridley@mchsi.com> In-Reply-To: <200409072315.i87NFbcx005721@in.flite.net> References: <200409072315.i87NFbcx005721@in.flite.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.9.12 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd4.10) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: General Unix Learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 00:21:41 -0000 On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 19:15:37 +0000 "hide110" wrote: > Please forgive me if this is not the right place to turn but, I figure you > all would be able to share your wisdom with me. It's quite all right. As long as your question isn't a technical one (those go to freebsd-questions), it's okay here. > I am a Windows user and I've hated it for the past few years. The Unix > experience I have accrued has mainly been working from a shell account; > nothing really in detail about the actual operating system or installation. > I have considered FreeBSD & Linux, but really, for a desktop system do you > guys think it's viable for a nearly pure unix newbie to tinker around with > BSD? Or would it be easier to start with Linux & eventually port over to > BSD? If you want a lot of things done for you and just want to use a different OS as soon as possible, then go with one of the complete Linux distros (SuSE, Mandrake, etc.). If you want to really learn Unix and do things manually on a royal-blooded descendant of the original Bell Labs Unix with some good documentation both on the Web and in print (and you want a system that boots in about half the time the Linux does), then FreeBSD is for you. Just realize that not everything will come to you on a silver platter if you use it. Learning the system can be rewarding in itself, though. It's up to you. > Normally I'd take my own advice (if you want to use BSD, use BSD, if you want > to use Linux at the end of the day, use that) but I'm just trying to be > practical with all learning curves taken into consideration. I say when it comes to operating systems, "if it feels good, do it." I'm currently picking up NetBSD as well even though some say it's the most challenging BSD to learn, and I've only been using FreeBSD for almost 6 months now (don't worry, I'm not going to stop using FreeBSD anytime soon :)). If you're really leaning towards FreeBSD as your choice, then go ahead! - Dave V. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 04:42:26 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF76C16A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 04:42:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp.velocom.com.ar (smtp.velocom.com.ar [200.59.32.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96C843D1F for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 04:42:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mguadagnini@velocom.com.ar) Received: from smtp.velocom.com.ar (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.velocom.com.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5D4C6901 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:45:45 -0300 (ARST) Received: from linuxxp (adsl377-tasa.via-net-works.net.ar [200.59.198.122]) by smtp.velocom.com.ar (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DE59C68DF for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:45:44 -0300 (ARST) From: "Mariano Guadagnini" To: Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 01:42:38 -0300 Message-ID: <000701c4955e$48dc2d30$fd01a8c0@linuxxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.1 Subject: RE: General Unix Learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 04:42:26 -0000 In my personal case, I would recommend Linux for a Desktop box and *BSD for a server/firewall configuration. Linux have a better support for new devices and multimedia, but if you plan to run it on a very standard machine, that wouldn't be important. On respect of software, there isn't much difference, as most software that works on linux also works on freebsd, but if you are used to a pure unix, as you say, maybe you'll feel bsd more confortable (system tools, shells, configuration, etc reminds more to a common unix system than Linux's ones) but this is also relative. Well, that's only my point of view, I hope i'll help you, Mariano Guadagnini. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 06:26:33 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA4116A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:26:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from usw2.natel.net (2b.bz [209.152.117.190]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9905A43D49 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 06:26:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from WD@US-Webmasters.com) Received: (qmail 2141 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2004 06:26:30 -0000 Received: from batv-01-021.dialup.netins.net (HELO xyz.US-Webmasters.com) (216.248.109.22) by us-webmasters.com with SMTP; 8 Sep 2004 06:26:30 -0000 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20040908005930.08262030@209.152.117.178> X-Sender: wd@209.152.117.178 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 01:25:53 -0500 To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org From: "W. D." In-Reply-To: <200409072315.i87NFbcx005721@in.flite.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cc: hide110 Subject: Re: General Unix Learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 06:26:33 -0000 At 14:15 9/7/2004, hide110 wrote: >Please forgive me if this is not the right place to turn but, I figure you >all would be able to share your wisdom with me. =20 > >I am a Windows user and I've hated it for the past few years. The Unix >experience I have accrued has mainly been working from a shell account; >nothing really in detail about the actual operating system or installation.= =20 >I have considered FreeBSD & Linux, but really, for a desktop system do you >guys think it's viable for a nearly pure unix newbie to tinker around with >BSD? Or would it be easier to start with Linux & eventually port over to >BSD? =20 > >Normally I'd take my own advice (if you want to use BSD, use BSD, if you= want >to use Linux at the end of the day, use that) but I'm just trying to be >practical with all learning curves taken into consideration. > >My deepest apologies if I should not be asking something like this here. = But >any replies would be terribly appreciated. Much of what runs on Linux also runs on FreeBSD, either 'natively' or using Linux emulation. FreeBSD vs. Linux discussions: http://tinyurl.com/2f8np http://www.offmyserver.com/cgi-bin/store/news/techtv_090303.html http://tinyurl.com/6xhrz http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux8.php http://www.InternetWeek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=3D12800936 http://Search.Yahoo.com/search?p=3D%22FreeBSD+vs.+Linux%22 http://www.Google.com/search?q=3D%22FreeBSD+vs.+Linux%22 Here is an installation how-to that I've worked up: http://www.US-Webmasters.com/FreeBSD/Install/ I'll be working on a how-to for Samba, and possibly KDE in the near future. Linux is getting all the hype these days, but FreeBSD is=20 better. ;^) Start Here to Find It Fast!=99 ->= http://www.US-Webmasters.com/best-start-page/ $8.77 Domain Names -> http://domains.us-webmasters.com/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 10:06:50 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEBB16A4CF for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:06:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBE043D2D for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:06:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-203-241-182.client.insightbb.com[12.203.241.182]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with SMTP id <20040908100649i9100bu751e>; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:06:49 +0000 Message-ID: <413ED9B8.40802@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:06:48 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hide110 , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <200409072315.i87NFbcx005721@in.flite.net> In-Reply-To: <200409072315.i87NFbcx005721@in.flite.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: General Unix Learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:06:50 -0000 hide110 wrote: >Please forgive me if this is not the right place to turn but, I figure you >all would be able to share your wisdom with me. > >I am a Windows user and I've hated it for the past few years. The Unix >experience I have accrued has mainly been working from a shell account; >nothing really in detail about the actual operating system or installation. >I have considered FreeBSD & Linux, but really, for a desktop system do you >guys think it's viable for a nearly pure unix newbie to tinker around with >BSD? Or would it be easier to start with Linux & eventually port over to >BSD? > >Normally I'd take my own advice (if you want to use BSD, use BSD, if you want >to use Linux at the end of the day, use that) but I'm just trying to be >practical with all learning curves taken into consideration. > >My deepest apologies if I should not be asking something like this here. But >any replies would be terribly appreciated. > For a newbie that wants to *learn* UNIX then FreeBSD is really the only way to go. FreeBSD is a complete system (FreeBSD Kernel + FreeBSD tools and documentation = Operating System) where as Linux is a distribution (Linux Kernel + 3rd Party tools and documentation = Distribution, a glued together OS) Sorry my brain doesn't seem to be working at this hour of night, I can't come up with coherent sentences so let me cut to the chase... The documentation on FreeBSD is the best I have ever seen, for a newbie this is what matters the most. I have learned more about UNIX in the last 2 years from using FreeBSD then the entire time (5 years) I've been using Linux. FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/index.html FreeBSD Documentation Page: http://www.freebsd.org/docs.html The Complete FreeBSD, Fourth Edition: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596005164/ Absolute BSD, The Ultimate Guide to FreeBSD: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1886411743/ Learning UNIX Operating System, Fifth Edition http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0596002610/ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 10:19:49 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A680916A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:19:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx-3.mail.ftech.net (mx-3.mail.ftech.net [195.200.0.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F38E43D31 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:19:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stuart.gibson@bridgeman.co.uk) Received: from opal.ftech.net ([212.32.16.127] helo=mailgate.ftech.net) by mx-3.mail.ftech.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C4zYI-0005Ow-QU for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:19:46 +0100 Received: from 130-12-32-212.briman-ll.ll.ftech.net ([212.32.12.130] helo=IT09) by mailgate.ftech.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36-ftechp12 #1) id 1C4zYI-0005QE-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:19:46 +0100 From: stuart.gibson@bridgeman.co.uk To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 11:19:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <413EEAD1.5502.9757119@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body X-Frontier-Signature: 4add1d53a30d20ff5a51f4a0b678ee99 Subject: Updating Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:19:49 -0000 Hi, I am trying to find the easiest way to update my current rsync port. I'm currently running rsync 2.5.6_1 and want to update it to rsync 2.6.2. Can anyone tell me the easiest way to do this. Many thanks Stuart Stuart Gibson IT Assistant Manager The Bridgeman Art Library 17-19 Garway Road London W2 4PH, UK T +44 (0)20 7908 1619 F +44 (0)20 7792 8509 www.bridgeman.co.uk The Bridgeman Art Library is the world's leading source of fine art images. Our website has now been completely redesigned to make finding the perfect image easier than ever. New features include: thousands more images, an easy-to-use design, =91Lightbox=92 facilities for improved searching, =91My Bridgeman section for managing your images, inspiring selections by Bridgeman Picture Researchers, a full listing of all our museums, artists and collections and comprehensive online help. 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From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 10:47:42 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495F316A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:47:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91.asp.att.net [63.240.76.165]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0506F43D1D for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:47:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from nbritton.org (12-203-241-182.client.insightbb.com[12.203.241.182]) by sccimhc91.asp.att.net (sccimhc91) with SMTP id <20040908104741i9100bu5vqe>; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 10:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: <413EE34D.5070600@nbritton.org> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 05:47:41 -0500 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stuart.gibson@bridgeman.co.uk, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org References: <413EEAD1.5502.9757119@localhost> In-Reply-To: <413EEAD1.5502.9757119@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Updating Ports X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 10:47:42 -0000 stuart.gibson@bridgeman.co.uk wrote: >Hi, > >I am trying to find the easiest way to update my current rsync port. >I'm currently running rsync 2.5.6_1 and want to update it to rsync >2.6.2. > >Can anyone tell me the easiest way to do this. > >Many thanks > >Stuart > > portupgrade is what you want portupgrade tutorial: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/08/28/FreeBSD_Basics.html Chapter 4 of the FreeBSD Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/ports.html From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 12:26:40 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB1F16A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:26:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx-3.mail.ftech.net (mx-3.mail.ftech.net [195.200.0.13]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5CE143D53 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:26:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stuart.gibson@bridgeman.co.uk) Received: from opal.ftech.net ([212.32.16.127] helo=mailgate.ftech.net) by mx-3.mail.ftech.net with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1C51X5-00038h-Bu for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:26:39 +0100 Received: from 130-12-32-212.briman-ll.ll.ftech.net ([212.32.12.130] helo=IT09) by mailgate.ftech.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36-ftechp12 #1) id 1C51X5-0000nJ-00 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:26:39 +0100 From: stuart.gibson@bridgeman.co.uk To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:26:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <413F088E.26258.9E99AD4@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.12a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body X-Frontier-Signature: ab9e91c5e7c7ddb375d5f852e4fa07eb Subject: Samba recycle bin install X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 12:26:41 -0000 Hi, Don't know if this is the right place to ask this but hopefully it is. Has anyone been able to successfully install the recycle bin on Samba? I am using FreeBSD 5.1 and Samba 2.2.8a. Every time I run make I get the following error: make: don't know how to make audit.so. Stop The documentation for setting this up appears to be really poor for newbies so hopefully someone can give me some pointers. Many thanks Stuart Gibson Stuart Gibson IT Assistant Manager The Bridgeman Art Library 17-19 Garway Road London W2 4PH, UK T +44 (0)20 7908 1619 F +44 (0)20 7792 8509 www.bridgeman.co.uk The Bridgeman Art Library is the world's leading source of fine art images. Our website has now been completely redesigned to make finding the perfect image easier than ever. New features include: thousands more images, an easy-to-use design, =91Lightbox=92 facilities for improved searching, =91My Bridgeman section for managing your images, inspiring selections by Bridgeman Picture Researchers, a full listing of all our museums, artists and collections and comprehensive online help. Try out the new site now at www.bridgeman.co.uk International Offices: The Bridgeman Art Library International, USA T +1 212 828 1238 newyork@bridgemanart.com Bridgeman Giraudon, France T +33 (0)1 55 80 79 10 paris@bridgeman.fr Bridgeman Giraudon, Germany T +49 (0)30 88 92 02 76 berlin@bridgeman-berlin.de www.bridgeman-berlin.de This email is confidential and should not be used by anyone who is not the original intended recipient. The Bridgeman Art Library cannot accept liability for statements made which are clearly the sender's own and not made on behalf of the Bridgeman Art Library. From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Sep 8 19:51:00 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8FAA16A4CE for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:51:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E1EF43D48 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:51:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mimerki@myrealbox.com) Received: from 192.168.0.3 mimerki [24.113.45.167]$ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Wed, 08 Sep 2004 13:51:01 -0600 From: Marcia Barrett Nice To: "hide110" , freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 13:06:52 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <200409072315.i87NFbcx005721@in.flite.net> In-Reply-To: <200409072315.i87NFbcx005721@in.flite.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200409081306.53032.mimerki@myrealbox.com> Subject: Re: General Unix Learning X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 19:51:00 -0000 On Tuesday 07 September 2004 12:15 pm, hide110 wrote: > Please forgive me if this is not the right place to turn but, I figure you > all would be able to share your wisdom with me. > > I am a Windows user and I've hated it for the past few years. The Unix > experience I have accrued has mainly been working from a shell account; > nothing really in detail about the actual operating system or installation. > I have considered FreeBSD & Linux, but really, for a desktop system do you > guys think it's viable for a nearly pure unix newbie to tinker around with > BSD? Or would it be easier to start with Linux & eventually port over to > BSD? > > Normally I'd take my own advice (if you want to use BSD, use BSD, if you > want to use Linux at the end of the day, use that) but I'm just trying to > be practical with all learning curves taken into consideration. > > My deepest apologies if I should not be asking something like this here. > But any replies would be terribly appreciated. > Everyone was a newbie once upon a time. I've been using FBSD for my desktop OS for ... four years now I think. Before that, I knew next to nothing about unix. Personally, I found BSD easier to learn than Linux. Things on my BSD installs tended to just work, so there was less pulling out of hair over what was wrong and if it could be fixed than I've had with Linux. My suggestion would be to try installing BSD if that's what you want to run, and play around with it. If you decide it's not making you happy, there are lots of other options. Marci From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 10 19:10:55 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772BA16A51C for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:10:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1162343D5E for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:10:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sue@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (sue@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id i8AJAjVO013937 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:10:45 GMT (envelope-from sue@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from sue@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id i8AJAjl1013910 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:10:45 GMT (envelope-from sue) Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:10:45 GMT From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200409101910.i8AJAjl1013910@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies FAK X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:10:55 -0000 FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://people.freebsd.org/~sue/newbies/fak.html FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. It is particularly important to send all installation questions and answers to FreeBSD-Questions so that they only appear in one place. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for FreeBSD help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. We can help people to use the FreeBSD mailing lists and resources, or to interact more productively with the broader FreeBSD community. These are not support questions, and not technical, so we deal with them here. Everyone can help with these new user orientation requests. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. 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Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org is distributed to all members of the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 11 00:00:23 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BB716A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:00:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail5.dslextreme.com (mail5.dslextreme.com [66.51.199.81]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3DD5D43D2F for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:00:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jmlewis@dslextreme.com) Received: (qmail 3107 invoked from network); 11 Sep 2004 00:00:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO www.dslextreme.com) (66.51.199.92) by 192.168.8.93 with SMTP; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:00:22 +0000 Message-ID: <0a0a0a0a.20040910170022.wzyrjvf@www.dslextreme.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:00:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "Joshua Lewis" To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org User-Agent: DSL Extreme Webmail (www.dslextreme.com) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-AntiVirus: scanned for viruses by AMaViS 0.2.1 (http://amavis.org/) Subject: Dmesg and error logs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: jmlewis@dslextreme.com List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:00:23 -0000 I am trying to troubleshoot an e-mail issue and was wondering if anyone can give me some info on errors and where to find them. Specifically: What log file does dmesg read from? Will dmesg give me any DNS errors or Postfix errors? If not what error log should I be looking at? Thanks in advanced for any help. Thank you, Joshua Lewis From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 11 00:07:24 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052A616A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:07:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D12143D58 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:07:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ahze@ahze.net) Received: from [192.168.1.5] ([68.209.163.3]) by imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.netESMTP <20040911000722.ELIM6918.imf19aec.mail.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.5]>; Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:07:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <0a0a0a0a.20040910170022.wzyrjvf@www.dslextreme.com> References: <0a0a0a0a.20040910170022.wzyrjvf@www.dslextreme.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <8D4A48D2-0386-11D9-B04C-000A958C81C6@ahze.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: michael johnson Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:07:21 -0400 To: jmlewis@dslextreme.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dmesg and error logs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:07:24 -0000 On Sep 10, 2004, at 8:00 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote: > I am trying to troubleshoot an e-mail issue and was wondering if anyone > can give me some info on errors and where to find them. Specifically: > > What log file does dmesg read from /var/run/dmesg.boot is what it reads from /var/log/dmesg.* will also have info > Will dmesg give me any DNS errors or Postfix errors? Depends on what the error is. > If not what error log should I be looking at? /var/log/maillog will have the info you probably need =) Cheers, Michael From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Sep 11 00:43:04 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D17416A4CE for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:43:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ns1.tiadon.com (SMTP.tiadon.com [69.27.132.161]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81E043D4C for ; Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:43:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [69.27.131.0] ([69.27.131.0]) by ns1.tiadon.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:45:35 -0500 Message-ID: <41424A11.7000003@daleco.biz> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 19:42:57 -0500 From: "Kevin D. Kinsey, DaleCo, S.P." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7) Gecko/20040712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: michael johnson References: <0a0a0a0a.20040910170022.wzyrjvf@www.dslextreme.com> <8D4A48D2-0386-11D9-B04C-000A958C81C6@ahze.net> In-Reply-To: <8D4A48D2-0386-11D9-B04C-000A958C81C6@ahze.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2004 00:45:36.0586 (UTC) FILETIME=[A70062A0:01C49798] cc: jmlewis@dslextreme.com cc: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Dmesg and error logs. X-BeenThere: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Gathering place for new users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 00:43:04 -0000 michael johnson wrote: > On Sep 10, 2004, at 8:00 PM, Joshua Lewis wrote: > >> I am trying to troubleshoot an e-mail issue and was wondering if anyone >> can give me some info on errors and where to find them. Specifically: >> >> What log file does dmesg read from > > > /var/run/dmesg.boot is what it reads from > > /var/log/dmesg.* will also have info > >> Will dmesg give me any DNS errors or Postfix errors? > > > Depends on what the error is. > >> If not what error log should I be looking at? > > > /var/log/maillog will have the info you probably need =) > > Cheers, > Michael And, if it's so serious that the MTA isn't running, you might find something in /var/log/messages; or, written to the console. If you are running the box "headless" or from a remote location, it might be good to take a look at the note in /etc/syslog.conf regarding the writing of console output to a file (it's in a comment somewhere in there....) HTH2, Kevin Kinsey