From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 30 02:24:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61EFA16A41F; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:24:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ahze@ahze.net) Received: from imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBABA43D45; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:24:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ahze@ahze.net) Received: from ibm67aec.bellsouth.net ([68.209.163.3]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051030022422.BZRH19457.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm67aec.bellsouth.net>; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:24:22 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.5] (really [68.209.163.3]) by ibm67aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20051030022417.UZVE24708.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@[192.168.1.5]>; Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:24:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4363EE63.7020903@korff.org> References: <4363EE63.7020903@korff.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v734) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <0519E96A-90DA-4626-B1D3-1535E583B802@ahze.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Michael Johnson Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 22:24:12 -0400 To: Yanek Korff X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.734) Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beastie Pumpkin 2005 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 02:24:23 -0000 On Oct 29, 2005, at 5:49 PM, Yanek Korff wrote: > > http://paco.to/gallery/v/Holidays/Halloween05/Carving/Beastie-o- > lantern+2.jpg.html > > Happy Halloween :) thats pretty good. > > -Yanek. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 30 11:20:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00D016A41F; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:20:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F87943D45; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:20:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from remko@freebsd.org) Received: from localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) by caelis.elvandar.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BD0930E03; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:20:23 +0100 (CET) Received: from caelis.elvandar.org ([217.148.169.59]) by localhost (caelis.elvandar.org [217.148.169.59]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 98381-02; Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:20:22 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4364ACE3.8090202@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:22:11 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yanek Korff References: <4363EE63.7020903@korff.org> In-Reply-To: <4363EE63.7020903@korff.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by the elvandar.org maildomain Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beastie Pumpkin 2005 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@FreeBSD.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 11:20:24 -0000 Yanek Korff wrote: > http://paco.to/gallery/v/Holidays/Halloween05/Carving/Beastie-o-lantern+2.jpg.html > > Happy Halloween :) > > -Yanek. It really looks nice! ;-) -- Kind regards, Remko Lodder ** remko@elvandar.org FreeBSD ** remko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 31 10:03:47 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2065016A41F for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:03:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02AD143D68 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:03:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from js.berklix.net (p549A4A20.dip.t-dialin.net [84.154.74.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id j9VA3ctQ014738; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:03:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (fire.jhs.private [192.168.91.41]) by js.berklix.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j9VA3XCh004424; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:03:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@flat.berklix.net) Received: from fire.jhs.private (localhost.jhs.private [127.0.0.1]) by fire.jhs.private (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j9VA2S55010683; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:02:28 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.jhs.private) Message-Id: <200510311002.j9VA2S55010683@fire.jhs.private> To: Yanek Korff In-Reply-To: Message from Yanek Korff of "Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:49:23 EDT." <4363EE63.7020903@korff.org> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:02:28 +0100 From: "Julian H. Stacey" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Beastie Pumpkin 2005 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:03:47 -0000 Yanek Korff wrote: > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Happy Halloween :) Cross posting is deprecated. Halloween is not BSD technology. -- Julian Stacey. Consultant Unix Net & Sys. Eng., Munich. http://berklix.com Mail in Ascii, HTML=spam. Ihr Rauch = meine allergischen Kopfschmerzen. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 31 17:55:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A22D416A41F for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:55:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from davidjohnson@siemens.com) Received: from zeus.acuson.com (ac17860.acuson.com [157.226.71.80]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F6243D45 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:55:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from davidjohnson@siemens.com) Received: from mvwcim1a.acuson.com ([157.226.95.42]:3828 helo=mvwcim1a.ww005.siemens.net) by zeus.acuson.com with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EWds9-0007VA-5E; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:55:05 -0800 Received: by mvwcim1a.acuson.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id <404J2DG9>; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:55:04 -0800 Message-ID: <6F2F8FD3FBCF7A489CB18912A4807EBA01519135@mvwcim1a.acuson.com> From: Johnson David To: "'Julian H. Stacey'" Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:54:54 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Beastie Pumpkin 2005 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:55:23 -0000 >From: Julian H. Stacey [mailto:jhs@flat.berklix.net] >Cross posting is deprecated. Halloween is not BSD technology. But BSD pumpkins are! From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 1 00:58:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7262B16A41F for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 00:58:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA5143D45 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 00:58:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@pilchuck.reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local (Exim 4.44) id 1EWkTN-0002tR-VZ for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:57:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:57:57 -0800 (PST) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Sender: "Jeremy C. Reed" Subject: BSD Certification Group releases Usage Survey Report X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 00:58:00 -0000 The BSD Certification Group published its Usage Survey Report today. This report summarizes the results from the BSD Usage Survey delivered by the Group. The survey was available in six languages and ran from September 12 to September 30, 2005. The survey contained 18 questions covering topics such as how many BSD systems were in use at a company, how many administrators, were the BSD systems used as servers or desktops, size of the organizations, what services the BSD systems provided, and related topics. According to the report, FreeBSD is used at 77 percent of the survey takers' organizations. Over 87 percent of the systems are managed internally. Near 79 percent of the BSD systems are used as production systems. Around 72 percent of the systems are used for web services hosting and also firewall or security services. "It is interesting to note from the survey results that at least 68,662 systems and maybe more than 177,265 systems are running a BSD operating system," said Jeremy C. Reed, a BSD trainer and member of the BSD Certification Group. The report also provides many comments from survey takers, further explaining their use of BSD systems in their organizations. The report says that the results indicate that BSD systems are used throughout the world and are well respected for their reliability and inherent security. The report is available for download at http://www.bsdcertification.org/downloads/pr_20051031_usage_survey_en_en.pdf. About the BSD Certification Group The BSD Certification Group is comprised of educators, writers and sysadmins who are well versed in and passionate about BSD systems. The group was formed in January 2005 to create a BSD certification program that is recognized as the industry standard for certifying both the knowledge and the ability to perform administrative tasks on BSD systems. The BSD Certification Group website is at http://www.bsdcertification.org/. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 1 22:04:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182F616A41F for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:04:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: from web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.254]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66C5E43D46 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:04:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 53841 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Nov 2005 22:04:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=U4SXI3Gtk0a3UEDav0XVZR4xivz/9FAKO55JXXvD1FVNoK8XGQY+LK2zh+q78G2i+froVQ+7DVWMI9MCxxcXbmDiyU6YiFphS+O+GZZ1FS50rj7nPt/0aX71G6Vl58sd3ckpOwe5htKZpk9ckGfQRK0C2ikUhqi6vBT+jUFrO/g= ; Message-ID: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.50.181] by web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 14:04:11 PST Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:04:11 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: stanb@panix.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:04:13 -0000 it was said by stanb: >YUK!!!!!!!!! > >-- >U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout >Despite Vietcong Terror >- New York Times 9/3/1967 Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. shudders, stheg __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 1 22:39:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D451016A41F for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:39:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from rambo.401.cx (rambo.401.cx [80.65.205.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7BD43D53 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 22:39:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Received: from [192.168.200.2] (rocky [192.168.200.2]) by rambo.401.cx (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jA1Mdlap092835; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 23:39:47 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from listsub@401.cx) Message-ID: <4367EEB5.6050400@401.cx> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:39:49 +0100 From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stheg olloydson References: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , stanb@panix.com Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:39:56 -0000 stheg olloydson wrote: > it was said by stanb: > >> YUK!!!!!!!!! >> >> -- >> U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout >> Despite Vietcong Terror >> - New York Times 9/3/1967 > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. > > shudders, > > stheg > Speak for yourself! I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result. Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job well done. 'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. -- R From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 01:43:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D00A916A41F for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:43:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dForsythe@Omneon.com) Received: from mailgate.omneon.com (mailgate.omneon.com [12.36.122.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44B9643D46 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:43:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dForsythe@Omneon.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:43:00 -0800 Message-ID: <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB7211@happy2.omneon.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed Thread-Index: AcXfTsGtUuANVPkdQiaIIiaGYWdnYg== From: "Darlene Forsythe" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:43:01 -0000 Good evening,=20 =20 I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a consultant with the following skills: =20 If interested, please feel free to contact me =20 Darlene Forsythe, PHR Staffing Consultant Phone: 408-585-5115 Email: dforsythe@omneon.com Web Site: www.omneon.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer =20 =20 Project Description: Omneon filesystem client port to Macintosh OS X Operating System =20 The project requires porting the Linux-based Omneon filesystem client to the Macintosh OS X operating system. This includes all functionality featured in the Linux version. The final software must operate as a networked filesystem under the OS X kernel. A performance goal of 40 megabytes per second for file copy operations is required. =20 Additional work products include detailed project schedule, status reports, design documentation, an installation and de-installation system for the filesystem module, and documentation describing how to install, use and de-install the filesytem module. =20 =20 Skills required: - OS X or FreeBSD/Mach kernel development experience - Network systems programming - Filesystem development - Excellent communication and documentation skills =20 =20 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 01:58:31 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1274B16A41F for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:58:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ext-gw.lemis.com (ext-gw.lemis.com [150.101.14.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A96643D46 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 01:58:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from wantadilla.lemis.com (wantadilla.lemis.com [192.109.197.135]) by ext-gw.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02B21310DF; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:28:28 +1030 (CST) Received: by wantadilla.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id AF17084F89; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:28:28 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:28:28 +1030 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Darlene Forsythe Message-ID: <20051102015828.GS56043@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB7211@happy2.omneon.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fxBYc4U7HLIDBZ2G" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB7211@happy2.omneon.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-8-8388-8286 Fax: +61-8-8388-8725 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 01:58:31 -0000 --fxBYc4U7HLIDBZ2G Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote: > > I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a > consultant with the following skills: This list is for advocacy, not jobs. There's a specific mailing list for jobs, called, well, jobs@FreeBSD.org. You're likely to find interesting candidates there. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --fxBYc4U7HLIDBZ2G Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDaB1EIubykFB6QiMRAiEQAJ46fnZBI9w746vFs/J6p+lCtv9vUgCgr7Of GmD4rTO13Sr+kU58jhj6YIA= =+tRk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fxBYc4U7HLIDBZ2G-- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 02:01:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75DA516A46E; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 02:01:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dForsythe@Omneon.com) Received: from mailgate.omneon.com (mailgate.omneon.com [12.36.122.4]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 134CD43D45; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 02:01:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dForsythe@Omneon.com) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6603.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:01:14 -0800 Message-ID: <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB721A@happy2.omneon.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed Thread-Index: AcXfUPGpmkPoGCn7Rl20zXGtq8zRbgAACQ0Q From: "Darlene Forsythe" To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:01:16 -0000 I apologize for emailing this group..... I have posted to the jobs listing. I appreciate your help! Darlene=20 -----Original Message----- From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:58 PM To: Darlene Forsythe Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote: > > I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a > consultant with the following skills: This list is for advocacy, not jobs. There's a specific mailing list for jobs, called, well, jobs@FreeBSD.org. You're likely to find interesting candidates there. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 2 02:50:53 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486FC16A41F for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 02:50:53 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@comcast.net) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [216.148.227.117]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1FE443D53 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 02:50:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@comcast.net) Received: from smogmonster.local (pcp0010916331pcs.albqrq01.nm.comcast.net[68.35.114.183]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005110202492401300egt7ve>; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 02:49:40 +0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:38 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4367EEB5.6050400@401.cx> In-Reply-To: <4367EEB5.6050400@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511011948.51372.krinklyfig@comcast.net> Cc: stanb@panix.com, stheg olloydson Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 02:50:53 -0000 On Tue 1 Nov 05 15:39, "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" wrote: > stheg olloydson wrote: > > it was said by stanb: > >> YUK!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> -- > >> U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout > >> Despite Vietcong Terror > >> - New York Times 9/3/1967 > > > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out > > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. > > > > shudders, > > > > stheg > > Speak for yourself! > I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result. > Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job > well done. > > 'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make > progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. Progress != a new logo. I am always happy to see FreeBSD make progress. I have no problem with the idea of a new logo, but my hopes were not high, given that it became a controversial subject. I wasn't going to say anything, but honestly, I don't like it that much. It looks a bit dated for an update, and it doesn't do well in black on white - the font is too thin (and way too art-deco/euro-like) and doesn't seem to have much to do with the "head" icon. In fact the head and wording seem as if they were put together as an afterthought. And what's with the sateen/silk background? Looks like a velvet painting, which is sorta groovy in a kitchy way, but I don't think that was the intention. I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, and it looks like some work went into it, but it's too trendy to be memorable and have staying power, and it's too far behind-the-curve to be trendy. It looks like it's trying too hard ... I dunno. Just that I get the feeling it will have to be updated soon to look "modern" again, and it might be better for FreeBSD to go with a more "classic" look that can withstand changes in trends. Some logos never have to be - and never should be - updated (again, I don't think this is one of them), and that's a better idea for the long run. Just MHO. - jt From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 3 00:30:19 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C704A16A421 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:30:19 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C278243D53 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:30:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA30UIV9002049 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:30:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id jA30UI0l002047; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:30:18 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:30:18 GMT Resent-Message-Id: <200511030030.jA30UI0l002047@freefall.freebsd.org> Resent-From: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org (GNATS Filer) Resent-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Resent-Reply-To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org, "Charlie &" Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE58216A41F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:27:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from root@intelbras.com.br) Received: from mail.intelbras.com.br (mail.intelbras.com.br [200.202.18.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C19743D46 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:27:57 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from root@intelbras.com.br) Received: from nagazaki.freebsd.org (201-24-95-241.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [201.24.95.241]) by mail.intelbras.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AB341BAC3A; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:32:18 -0200 (BRST) Message-Id: <1130970475.0@nagazaki.freebsd.org> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:27:55 -0200 From: "Charlie &" To: "FreeBSD gnats submit" X-Send-Pr-Version: gtk-send-pr 0.4.6 Cc: araujo@intelbras.com.br Subject: advocacy/88421: X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:30:20 -0000 >Number: 88421 >Category: advocacy >Synopsis: >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-advocacy >State: open >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: sw-bug >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Nov 03 00:30:18 GMT 2005 >Closed-Date: >Last-Modified: >Originator: Charlie & >Release: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE #0: Sun Oct 16 17:12:47 BRST 2005 araujo@nagazaki.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/NAGAZAKI >Description: >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: >Unformatted: From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 3 01:47:14 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDFE16A41F; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:47:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [216.136.204.21]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F47143D45; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:47:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (trhodes@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id jA31lDqA015952; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:47:13 GMT (envelope-from trhodes@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from trhodes@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id jA31lDvK015948; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:47:13 GMT (envelope-from trhodes) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 01:47:13 GMT From: Tom Rhodes Message-Id: <200511030147.jA31lDvK015948@freefall.freebsd.org> To: root@intelbras.com.br, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: advocacy/88421: X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 01:47:14 -0000 Synopsis: State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: trhodes State-Changed-When: Thu Nov 3 01:46:54 GMT 2005 State-Changed-Why: Empty PR. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=88421 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 3 02:26:49 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51BBD16A41F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 02:26:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mafiageek@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.194]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E134543D45 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 02:26:48 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mafiageek@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 13so91190nzp for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:26:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TLqzwQDGcNtSlY55/3+OqyTHpjo6EKyhK+zOTlNgE9PnYmuQqMLy6thn7o0o3s8UbTIrPT4qaWPT6+h6qsd1dsp/x3/jEqfZnZq6WepMvmq13wirPtNjtinBR9ic6oo/9rwiiEPLtW0dSe4L4lrUcCZyA02KMGR/s+D0FMMxMXk= Received: by 10.65.239.13 with SMTP id q13mr200877qbr; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.156.6 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:19:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 15:19:45 +1300 From: Dale DuRose To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20051102120038.49FF316A421@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051102120038.49FF316A421@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 02:26:49 -0000 What i think of the new logo is niether good or bad... Just silly. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 3 03:14:16 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4359416A41F; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 03:14:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mail1.panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.1.72]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FF943D48; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 03:14:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stanb@panix.com) Received: from mailspool3.panix.com (mailspool3.panix.com [166.84.1.78]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70B30595AD; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp08632294pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.232.106]) by mailspool3.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F51E4D9A06; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:14:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1EXVYL-0003fk-00; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:14:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:14:13 -0500 From: stan To: stheg olloydson Message-ID: <20051103031413.GA14105@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: stheg olloydson , "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.23 X-Uptime: 22:13:02 up 4 days, 12:18, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: Stan Brown Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 03:14:16 -0000 On Tue, Nov 01, 2005 at 02:04:11PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: > it was said by stanb: > > >YUK!!!!!!!!! > > > >-- > >U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout > >Despite Vietcong Terror > >- New York Times 9/3/1967 > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. > Isn't that the truth. -- U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout Despite Vietcong Terror - New York Times 9/3/1967 From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 3 07:43:36 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C8316A41F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:43:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from avatar4d@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0179D43D5A for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:43:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from avatar4d@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s9so485064wxc for ; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:43:25 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Efk/4ijmd+IY+aUDUx6nIH4r5oaJ1Iphr1TOgVWf2Bmh9MwAHaONOGC4uwjkd3w3SLI8oyGLakFIoBlTM382WhN6RO3byCrhkEAH7Q0uGBX8g5SFeInKEbhzx04DzqJZyZfe9AtrQlOkEvUOv0lyVFT03Vzd4os1YGWfovJSvL8= Received: by 10.70.117.16 with SMTP id p16mr185668wxc; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 18:37:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.65.20 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:37:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <17489c7a0511021837v1bcf1cd4r586cf022f09f249b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:37:19 -0500 From: Chad Gross To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20051102120038.60FD416A425@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051102120038.60FD416A425@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:43:36 -0000 I am glad I am not the only one. This logo is in no way, shape, or form better for FreeBSD compared to the last logo. I mean honestly. I am a marketing professional and I do not see the "progress" either. I too enjoy the advancement of FreeBSD when it is actual progress. And I agree with the above poster, does the logo really need changing? Maybe it just needs some new marketers... I mean a Fedora, a Penguin, and a Gecko have been working for Linux. And as a Christian I don't feel that the old logo was offensive either. At least it had character. Anyway, just an opinion of a user since 4.0. Chad M. Gross Executive Team Trainer On 11/2/05, freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org wrote: > Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: New Logo (stheg olloydson) > 2. Re: New Logo (Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg) > 3. Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed > (Darlene Forsythe) > 4. Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed > (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) > 5. RE: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed > (Darlene Forsythe) > 6. Re: New Logo (Joshua Tinnin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:04:11 -0800 (PST) > From: stheg olloydson > Subject: Re: New Logo > To: stanb@panix.com > Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , > "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > Message-ID: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1 > > it was said by stanb: > > >YUK!!!!!!!!! > > > >-- > >U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout > >Despite Vietcong Terror > >- New York Times 9/3/1967 > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. > > shudders, > > stheg > > > > > > __________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:39:49 +0100 > From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" > Subject: Re: New Logo > To: stheg olloydson > Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , > stanb@panix.com > Message-ID: <4367EEB5.6050400@401.cx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DISO-8859-1; format=3Dflowed > > stheg olloydson wrote: > > it was said by stanb: > > > >> YUK!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> -- > >> U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout > >> Despite Vietcong Terror > >> - New York Times 9/3/1967 > > > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out > > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. > > > > shudders, > > > > stheg > > > > Speak for yourself! > I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result. > Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job > well done. > > 'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make > progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. > > -- > R > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:43:00 -0800 > From: "Darlene Forsythe" > Subject: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed > To: > Message-ID: > <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB7211@happy2.omneon.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" > > Good evening, > > > > I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a > consultant with the following skills: > > > > If interested, please feel free to contact me > > > > Darlene Forsythe, PHR > > Staffing Consultant > > Phone: 408-585-5115 > > Email: dforsythe@omneon.com > > Web Site: www.omneon.com > > > > > > > > > > Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer > > > > > > Project Description: > > Omneon filesystem client port to Macintosh OS X Operating System > > > > The project requires porting the Linux-based Omneon filesystem client to > > the Macintosh OS X operating system. This includes all functionality > > featured in the Linux version. The final software must operate as a > > networked filesystem under the OS X kernel. A performance goal of > > 40 megabytes per second for file copy operations is required. > > > > Additional work products include detailed project schedule, status > reports, > > design documentation, an installation and de-installation system for the > > filesystem module, and documentation describing how to install, use and > > de-install the filesytem module. > > > > > > Skills required: > > - OS X or FreeBSD/Mach kernel development experience > > - Network systems programming > > - Filesystem development > > - Excellent communication and documentation skills > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:28:28 +1030 > From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey > Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed > To: Darlene Forsythe > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: <20051102015828.GS56043@wantadilla.lemis.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" > > On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote: > > > > I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a > > consultant with the following skills: > > This list is for advocacy, not jobs. There's a specific mailing list > for jobs, called, well, jobs@FreeBSD.org. You're likely to find > interesting candidates there. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 187 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/200= 51102/30052b4d/attachment-0001.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:01:14 -0800 > From: "Darlene Forsythe" > Subject: RE: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed > To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Message-ID: > <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB721A@happy2.omneon.local> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" > > I apologize for emailing this group..... I have posted to the jobs > listing. I appreciate your help! > > Darlene > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:58 PM > To: Darlene Forsythe > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed > > On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote: > > > > I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a > > consultant with the following skills: > > This list is for advocacy, not jobs. There's a specific mailing list > for jobs, called, well, jobs@FreeBSD.org. You're likely to find > interesting candidates there. > > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:38 -0700 > From: Joshua Tinnin > Subject: Re: New Logo > To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > Cc: stanb@panix.com, stheg olloydson > Message-ID: <200511011948.51372.krinklyfig@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" > > On Tue 1 Nov 05 15:39, "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" > wrote: > > stheg olloydson wrote: > > > it was said by stanb: > > >> YUK!!!!!!!!! > > >> > > >> -- > > >> U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout > > >> Despite Vietcong Terror > > >> - New York Times 9/3/1967 > > > > > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out > > > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. > > > > > > shudders, > > > > > > stheg > > > > Speak for yourself! > > I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result. > > Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job > > well done. > > > > 'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make > > progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. > > Progress !=3D a new logo. I am always happy to see FreeBSD make progress. > I have no problem with the idea of a new logo, but my hopes were not > high, given that it became a controversial subject. I wasn't going to > say anything, but honestly, I don't like it that much. It looks a bit > dated for an update, and it doesn't do well in black on white - the > font is too thin (and way too art-deco/euro-like) and doesn't seem to > have much to do with the "head" icon. In fact the head and wording seem > as if they were put together as an afterthought. And what's with the > sateen/silk background? Looks like a velvet painting, which is sorta > groovy in a kitchy way, but I don't think that was the intention. > > I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, and it looks like some work went > into it, but it's too trendy to be memorable and have staying power, > and it's too far behind-the-curve to be trendy. It looks like it's > trying too hard ... I dunno. Just that I get the feeling it will have > to be updated soon to look "modern" again, and it might be better for > FreeBSD to go with a more "classic" look that can withstand changes in > trends. Some logos never have to be - and never should be - updated > (again, I don't think this is one of them), and that's a better idea > for the long run. Just MHO. > > - jt > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" > > > End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 > ************************************************ > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 3 17:40:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8529F16A41F for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:40:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ritamari.vonostingroup.com [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 029C743D46 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:40:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@tvog.net) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=tvog.net) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1EXj4g-0000mZ-3R; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:40:30 -0500 Message-ID: <436A4B8D.4030009@tvog.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:40:29 -0500 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (Windows/20040207) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chad Gross References: <20051102120038.60FD416A425@hub.freebsd.org> <17489c7a0511021837v1bcf1cd4r586cf022f09f249b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <17489c7a0511021837v1bcf1cd4r586cf022f09f249b@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tvog.net X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:40:34 -0000 I wish people would stop refering to beastie as "the old logo" beastie was never a logo. It was simply a mascot, nothing more, nothing less. The closest thing we had to a "logo" was the incorporation of beastie and "FreeBSD: The Power to Serve" which is quite dated and reminds me old the old days far too much. The "New" logo is mainstream, looks clean, has a lot of potential. Of course the new logo doesnt look good in black and white, its a full color logo. its not supposed to look good in grayscale. The person who designed this new concept also provided a 2 color design, which would look fine as black and white. My 2 cents. __________________________________________________ Frank Laszlo System Administrator The VonOstin Group Email: laszlof@tvog.net WWW: http://www.vonostingroup.com Mobile: 248-863-7584 Chad Gross wrote: >I am glad I am not the only one. This logo is in no way, shape, or >form better for FreeBSD compared to the last logo. I mean honestly. I >am a marketing professional and I do not see the "progress" either. I >too enjoy the advancement of FreeBSD when it is actual progress. And I >agree with the above poster, does the logo really need changing? Maybe >it just needs some new marketers... I mean a Fedora, a Penguin, and a >Gecko have been working for Linux. And as a Christian I don't feel >that the old logo was offensive either. At least it had character. >Anyway, just an opinion of a user since 4.0. > >Chad M. Gross >Executive Team Trainer > > > >On 11/2/05, freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org > wrote: > > >>Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> >>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org >> >>You can reach the person managing the list at >> freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org >> >>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." >> >> >>Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: New Logo (stheg olloydson) >> 2. Re: New Logo (Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg) >> 3. Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> (Darlene Forsythe) >> 4. Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) >> 5. RE: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> (Darlene Forsythe) >> 6. Re: New Logo (Joshua Tinnin) >> >> >>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>Message: 1 >>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:04:11 -0800 (PST) >>From: stheg olloydson >>Subject: Re: New Logo >>To: stanb@panix.com >>Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , >> "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" >>Message-ID: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >>it was said by stanb: >> >> >> >>>YUK!!!!!!!!! >>> >>>-- >>>U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout >>>Despite Vietcong Terror >>>- New York Times 9/3/1967 >>> >>> >>Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out >>badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. >> >>shudders, >> >>stheg >> >> >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >>Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! >>http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 2 >>Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:39:49 +0100 >>From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" >>Subject: Re: New Logo >>To: stheg olloydson >>Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , >> stanb@panix.com >>Message-ID: <4367EEB5.6050400@401.cx> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >>stheg olloydson wrote: >> >> >>>it was said by stanb: >>> >>> >>> >>>>YUK!!!!!!!!! >>>> >>>>-- >>>>U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout >>>>Despite Vietcong Terror >>>>- New York Times 9/3/1967 >>>> >>>> >>>Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out >>>badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. >>> >>>shudders, >>> >>>stheg >>> >>> >>> >>Speak for yourself! >>I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result. >>Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job >>well done. >> >>'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make >>progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. >> >>-- >>R >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 3 >>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:43:00 -0800 >>From: "Darlene Forsythe" >>Subject: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >>To: >>Message-ID: >> <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB7211@happy2.omneon.local> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >>Good evening, >> >> >> >>I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a >>consultant with the following skills: >> >> >> >>If interested, please feel free to contact me >> >> >> >>Darlene Forsythe, PHR >> >>Staffing Consultant >> >>Phone: 408-585-5115 >> >>Email: dforsythe@omneon.com >> >>Web Site: www.omneon.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer >> >> >> >> >> >>Project Description: >> >>Omneon filesystem client port to Macintosh OS X Operating System >> >> >> >>The project requires porting the Linux-based Omneon filesystem client to >> >>the Macintosh OS X operating system. This includes all functionality >> >>featured in the Linux version. The final software must operate as a >> >>networked filesystem under the OS X kernel. A performance goal of >> >>40 megabytes per second for file copy operations is required. >> >> >> >>Additional work products include detailed project schedule, status >>reports, >> >>design documentation, an installation and de-installation system for the >> >>filesystem module, and documentation describing how to install, use and >> >>de-install the filesytem module. >> >> >> >> >> >>Skills required: >> >>- OS X or FreeBSD/Mach kernel development experience >> >>- Network systems programming >> >>- Filesystem development >> >>- Excellent communication and documentation skills >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 4 >>Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:28:28 +1030 >>From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey >>Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >>To: Darlene Forsythe >>Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >>Message-ID: <20051102015828.GS56043@wantadilla.lemis.com> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote: >> >> >>>I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a >>>consultant with the following skills: >>> >>> >>This list is for advocacy, not jobs. There's a specific mailing list >>for jobs, called, well, jobs@FreeBSD.org. You're likely to find >>interesting candidates there. >> >>Greg >>-- >>See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >>-------------- next part -------------- >>A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>Name: not available >>Type: application/pgp-signature >>Size: 187 bytes >>Desc: not available >>Url : http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20051102/30052b4d/attachment-0001.bin >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 5 >>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:01:14 -0800 >>From: "Darlene Forsythe" >>Subject: RE: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >>To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" >>Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >>Message-ID: >> <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB721A@happy2.omneon.local> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >>I apologize for emailing this group..... I have posted to the jobs >>listing. I appreciate your help! >> >>Darlene >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org] >>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:58 PM >>To: Darlene Forsythe >>Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >>Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> >>On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote: >> >> >>>I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a >>>consultant with the following skills: >>> >>> >>This list is for advocacy, not jobs. There's a specific mailing list >>for jobs, called, well, jobs@FreeBSD.org. You're likely to find >>interesting candidates there. >> >>Greg >>-- >>See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >> >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>Message: 6 >>Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:38 -0700 >>From: Joshua Tinnin >>Subject: Re: New Logo >>To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >>Cc: stanb@panix.com, stheg olloydson >>Message-ID: <200511011948.51372.krinklyfig@comcast.net> >>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >>On Tue 1 Nov 05 15:39, "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" >>wrote: >> >> >>>stheg olloydson wrote: >>> >>> >>>>it was said by stanb: >>>> >>>> >>>>>YUK!!!!!!!!! >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout >>>>>Despite Vietcong Terror >>>>>- New York Times 9/3/1967 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out >>>>badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. >>>> >>>>shudders, >>>> >>>>stheg >>>> >>>> >>>Speak for yourself! >>>I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result. >>>Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job >>>well done. >>> >>>'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make >>>progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. >>> >>> >>Progress != a new logo. I am always happy to see FreeBSD make progress. >>I have no problem with the idea of a new logo, but my hopes were not >>high, given that it became a controversial subject. I wasn't going to >>say anything, but honestly, I don't like it that much. It looks a bit >>dated for an update, and it doesn't do well in black on white - the >>font is too thin (and way too art-deco/euro-like) and doesn't seem to >>have much to do with the "head" icon. In fact the head and wording seem >>as if they were put together as an afterthought. And what's with the >>sateen/silk background? Looks like a velvet painting, which is sorta >>groovy in a kitchy way, but I don't think that was the intention. >> >>I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, and it looks like some work went >>into it, but it's too trendy to be memorable and have staying power, >>and it's too far behind-the-curve to be trendy. It looks like it's >>trying too hard ... I dunno. Just that I get the feeling it will have >>to be updated soon to look "modern" again, and it might be better for >>FreeBSD to go with a more "classic" look that can withstand changes in >>trends. Some logos never have to be - and never should be - updated >>(again, I don't think this is one of them), and that's a better idea >>for the long run. Just MHO. >> >>- jt >> >> >>------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >>End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 >>************************************************ >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 4 02:32:04 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3634F16A41F for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 02:32:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [64.124.90.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD9143D45 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 02:32:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <17489c7a0511021837v1bcf1cd4r586cf022f09f249b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:31:57 -0700 (PST) From: Nicole To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20051104023157.84F2C20F01@krell.webweaver.net> Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 02:32:04 -0000 On 03-Nov-05 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that Chad Gross said: > I am glad I am not the only one. This logo is in no way, shape, or > form better for FreeBSD compared to the last logo. I mean honestly. I > am a marketing professional and I do not see the "progress" either. I > too enjoy the advancement of FreeBSD when it is actual progress. And I > agree with the above poster, does the logo really need changing? Maybe > it just needs some new marketers... I mean a Fedora, a Penguin, and a > Gecko have been working for Linux. And as a Christian I don't feel > that the old logo was offensive either. At least it had character. > Anyway, just an opinion of a user since 4.0. > > Chad M. Gross > Executive Team Trainer > I prefer the old "logo" even if it wasn't truly a logo, but a mascot as someone said. It had more character and could be regognized even in outline form. Yes it wasn't as "friendly" as the Linux penquin and some with narrow minds had issues with it, but this doesn't compare to either. It's the BSD version of "new coke". What was wrong with the new happier friendly looking beastie? Nicole (user since 2.6) Who has a BSD tatoo and I really can't see anyone to getting a tatoo of this new "logo" > > > On 11/2/05, freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org > wrote: >> Send freebsd-advocacy mailing list submissions to >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> freebsd-advocacy-request@freebsd.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> freebsd-advocacy-owner@freebsd.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of freebsd-advocacy digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: New Logo (stheg olloydson) >> 2. Re: New Logo (Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg) >> 3. Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> (Darlene Forsythe) >> 4. Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) >> 5. RE: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> (Darlene Forsythe) >> 6. Re: New Logo (Joshua Tinnin) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:04:11 -0800 (PST) >> From: stheg olloydson >> Subject: Re: New Logo >> To: stanb@panix.com >> Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , >> "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" >> Message-ID: <20051101220411.53839.qmail@web32710.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >> >> it was said by stanb: >> >> >YUK!!!!!!!!! >> > >> >-- >> >U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout >> >Despite Vietcong Terror >> >- New York Times 9/3/1967 >> >> Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out >> badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. >> >> shudders, >> >> stheg >> >> >> >> >> >> __________________________________ >> Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! >> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:39:49 +0100 >> From: "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" >> Subject: Re: New Logo >> To: stheg olloydson >> Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" , >> stanb@panix.com >> Message-ID: <4367EEB5.6050400@401.cx> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> stheg olloydson wrote: >> > it was said by stanb: >> > >> >> YUK!!!!!!!!! >> >> >> >> -- >> >> U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout >> >> Despite Vietcong Terror >> >> - New York Times 9/3/1967 >> > >> > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out >> > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. >> > >> > shudders, >> > >> > stheg >> > >> >> Speak for yourself! >> I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result. >> Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job >> well done. >> >> 'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make >> progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. >> >> -- >> R >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 17:43:00 -0800 >> From: "Darlene Forsythe" >> Subject: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> To: >> Message-ID: >> <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB7211@happy2.omneon.local> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> Good evening, >> >> >> >> I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a >> consultant with the following skills: >> >> >> >> If interested, please feel free to contact me >> >> >> >> Darlene Forsythe, PHR >> >> Staffing Consultant >> >> Phone: 408-585-5115 >> >> Email: dforsythe@omneon.com >> >> Web Site: www.omneon.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer >> >> >> >> >> >> Project Description: >> >> Omneon filesystem client port to Macintosh OS X Operating System >> >> >> >> The project requires porting the Linux-based Omneon filesystem client to >> >> the Macintosh OS X operating system. This includes all functionality >> >> featured in the Linux version. The final software must operate as a >> >> networked filesystem under the OS X kernel. A performance goal of >> >> 40 megabytes per second for file copy operations is required. >> >> >> >> Additional work products include detailed project schedule, status >> reports, >> >> design documentation, an installation and de-installation system for the >> >> filesystem module, and documentation describing how to install, use and >> >> de-install the filesytem module. >> >> >> >> >> >> Skills required: >> >> - OS X or FreeBSD/Mach kernel development experience >> >> - Network systems programming >> >> - Filesystem development >> >> - Excellent communication and documentation skills >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:28:28 +1030 >> From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey >> Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> To: Darlene Forsythe >> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> Message-ID: <20051102015828.GS56043@wantadilla.lemis.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote: >> > >> > I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a >> > consultant with the following skills: >> >> This list is for advocacy, not jobs. There's a specific mailing list >> for jobs, called, well, jobs@FreeBSD.org. You're likely to find >> interesting candidates there. >> >> Greg >> -- >> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: not available >> Type: application/pgp-signature >> Size: 187 bytes >> Desc: not available >> Url : >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/attachments/20051102/3005 >> 2b4d/attachment-0001.bin >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:01:14 -0800 >> From: "Darlene Forsythe" >> Subject: RE: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> To: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" >> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> Message-ID: >> <6A12D33C65D36A4C974AF7E7DF0F377101FB721A@happy2.omneon.local> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> I apologize for emailing this group..... I have posted to the jobs >> listing. I appreciate your help! >> >> Darlene >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey [mailto:grog@FreeBSD.org] >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 5:58 PM >> To: Darlene Forsythe >> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Linux/Mac OS X Systems Programmer Consultant Needed >> >> On Tuesday, 1 November 2005 at 17:43:00 -0800, Darlene Forsythe wrote: >> > >> > I thought that I might ask this group if anyone has a referral for a >> > consultant with the following skills: >> >> This list is for advocacy, not jobs. There's a specific mailing list >> for jobs, called, well, jobs@FreeBSD.org. You're likely to find >> interesting candidates there. >> >> Greg >> -- >> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 6 >> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 19:48:38 -0700 >> From: Joshua Tinnin >> Subject: Re: New Logo >> To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> Cc: stanb@panix.com, stheg olloydson >> Message-ID: <200511011948.51372.krinklyfig@comcast.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> On Tue 1 Nov 05 15:39, "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" >> wrote: >> > stheg olloydson wrote: >> > > it was said by stanb: >> > >> YUK!!!!!!!!! >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% Turnout >> > >> Despite Vietcong Terror >> > >> - New York Times 9/3/1967 >> > > >> > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out >> > > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. >> > > >> > > shudders, >> > > >> > > stheg >> > >> > Speak for yourself! >> > I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the result. >> > Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a job >> > well done. >> > >> > 'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeBSD trying to make >> > progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. >> >> Progress != a new logo. I am always happy to see FreeBSD make progress. >> I have no problem with the idea of a new logo, but my hopes were not >> high, given that it became a controversial subject. I wasn't going to >> say anything, but honestly, I don't like it that much. It looks a bit >> dated for an update, and it doesn't do well in black on white - the >> font is too thin (and way too art-deco/euro-like) and doesn't seem to >> have much to do with the "head" icon. In fact the head and wording seem >> as if they were put together as an afterthought. And what's with the >> sateen/silk background? Looks like a velvet painting, which is sorta >> groovy in a kitchy way, but I don't think that was the intention. >> >> I don't mean to hurt anyone's feelings, and it looks like some work went >> into it, but it's too trendy to be memorable and have staying power, >> and it's too far behind-the-curve to be trendy. It looks like it's >> trying too hard ... I dunno. Just that I get the feeling it will have >> to be updated soon to look "modern" again, and it might be better for >> FreeBSD to go with a more "classic" look that can withstand changes in >> trends. Some logos never have to be - and never should be - updated >> (again, I don't think this is one of them), and that's a better idea >> for the long run. Just MHO. >> >> - jt >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> End of freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 >> ************************************************ >> > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- http://www.unixgirl.com - http://www.deviantimages.com http://www.myspace.com/theparts Why do all the closed minds have open mouths? -- Sister MaryMae Himm -- Walmart - We Screw Our Employee's, To Bring You The The Best Prices! The Large Print Giveth And The Small Print Taketh Away -- Tom Waits - "Step Right Up" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 4 03:28:29 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D3D116A41F for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:28:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from server.nsurl.com (nsurl.com [69.50.196.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF02D43D48 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 03:28:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from dial-pool2-47.bas-net.by ([80.94.163.47]) by server.nsurl.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EXsFd-00044R-HE; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:28:26 -0700 Message-ID: <436ADDAD.4040406@miensk.com> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:03:57 +0200 From: ac User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 MultiZilla/1.6.4.0b X-Accept-Language: be, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicole References: <20051104023157.84F2C20F01@krell.webweaver.net> In-Reply-To: <20051104023157.84F2C20F01@krell.webweaver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nsurl.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - miensk.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:28:29 -0000 Nicole, you're too emotional, I think. Nobody's gonna force you to make new tattoo. Nobody's even gonna force you to use the logo, if you dislike it. But IMO this funny red ball _r_e_a_l_l_y_ looks more attractive for newbies. At least, my co-workers (average PC users) have found it "friendly" and "intriguing", even "sexy". There's enough place for sysadmins-"old salts" with Beastie tattoos, who, in fact, prefer FreeBSD not because of its "visual identity" at all. But heading towards FreeBSD as a popular desktop/home OS we must propose to the masses something shiny and sophisticated. Hey, Beastie is still here ;) Best regards, Alaksiej Carniajeu /AC Nicole wrote: >On 03-Nov-05 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that Chad Gross said: > > >>I am glad I am not the only one. This logo is in no way, shape, or >>form better for FreeBSD compared to the last logo. I mean honestly. I >>am a marketing professional and I do not see the "progress" either. I >>too enjoy the advancement of FreeBSD when it is actual progress. And I >>agree with the above poster, does the logo really need changing? Maybe >>it just needs some new marketers... I mean a Fedora, a Penguin, and a >>Gecko have been working for Linux. And as a Christian I don't feel >>that the old logo was offensive either. At least it had character. >>Anyway, just an opinion of a user since 4.0. >> >>Chad M. Gross >>Executive Team Trainer >> >> >> > > I prefer the old "logo" even if it wasn't truly a logo, but a mascot as >someone said. It had more character and could be regognized even in outline >form. Yes it wasn't as "friendly" as the Linux penquin and some with narrow >minds had issues with it, but this doesn't compare to either. It's the BSD >version of "new coke". > > What was wrong with the new happier friendly looking beastie? > > Nicole (user since 2.6) > Who has a BSD tatoo and I really can't see anyone to getting a tatoo of this >new "logo" > >-- >******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* > * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * > * * // \\ * * > * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * >----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- > http://www.unixgirl.com - http://www.deviantimages.com > http://www.myspace.com/theparts > > Why do all the closed minds have open mouths? > -- Sister MaryMae Himm > >-- Walmart - We Screw Our Employee's, > To Bring You The The Best Prices! > > The Large Print Giveth And The Small Print Taketh Away > -- Tom Waits - "Step Right Up" > > > > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 4 04:17:52 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC37916A41F for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:17:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@comcast.net) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5035643D46 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:17:52 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@comcast.net) Received: from smogmonster.local (pcp0010916331pcs.albqrq01.nm.comcast.net[68.35.114.183]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005110404171101100mq254e>; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 04:17:51 +0000 From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:17:02 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <20051104023157.84F2C20F01@krell.webweaver.net> <436ADDAD.4040406@miensk.com> In-Reply-To: <436ADDAD.4040406@miensk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200511032117.05947.krinklyfig@comcast.net> Cc: ac Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 04:17:52 -0000 On Thu 3 Nov 05 21:03, ac wrote: > But IMO this funny red ball _r_e_a_l_l_y_ looks more attractive for > newbies. At least, my co-workers (average PC users) have found it > "friendly" and "intriguing", even "sexy". I always figured those people would be better off getting a Mac. Not that there's anything wrong with Macs or attracting new users, but not sure the target demographic should be "average PC users." Can you picture them using FreeBSD? Maybe I underestimate them or misunderstand ... And not that FreeBSD can't be made easier, but I prefer the idea that it should always be suitable to use in UNIX server environments, including with headless installs and/or serial consoles. I realize that most people who do the installation and administration of such systems aren't going to be interested in marketing, though the executive team might be (and they probably have more to say about platform decisions in the end), but I don't know that FreeBSD should attract the "average PC user." Alas, it's not up to me ... though I think Beastie is a classic design with years of brand recognition, and it could be incorporated into an "official" logo (I know, it's not likely to work out like that ...). This whole thing reminds me of the Poochie character on Itchy and Scratchie (The Simpsons). Bleh ... - jt From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 4 06:54:55 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A5F16A41F for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:54:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) Received: from krell.webweaver.net (krell.webweaver.net [64.124.90.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C76843D46 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 06:54:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from nicole@unixgirl.com) X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.0 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <436ADDAD.4040406@miensk.com> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:54:52 -0700 (PST) From: Nicole To: ac Message-Id: <20051104065452.CDCBA20F01@krell.webweaver.net> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 06:54:55 -0000 On 04-Nov-05 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that ac said: > Nicole, you're too emotional, I think. Nobody's gonna force you to make > new tattoo. Nobody's even gonna force you to use the logo, if you > dislike it. I know that. I was trying to convey how it's just too basic to make into something that could be easily conveighed. IE if you break it down to its basic form.. It looks like a rounded viking helmet. > But IMO this funny red ball _r_e_a_l_l_y_ looks more attractive for > newbies. At least, my co-workers (average PC users) have found it > "friendly" and "intriguing", even "sexy". I think it looks cool and neat and hi-techish. But I have to say the first thing my non techie GF said when she saw it was "it looks like our cat having a hard-on through a helmet." Yea, get that one out of your head... > There's enough place for sysadmins-"old salts" with Beastie tattoos, > who, in fact, prefer FreeBSD not because of its "visual identity" at > all. But heading towards FreeBSD as a popular desktop/home OS we must > propose to the masses something shiny and sophisticated. > > Hey, Beastie is still here ;) Sherward Shwartz (spelling incorrect - creator of many top tv shows) once said one of the main needs for a great show was a catchy theme song. If people can remember it and it's catchy and singable.. people will remember the show. I just don't find the new "logo" catchy and singularly identifiable enough without all the cool shading effects and such. If you can't draw it on a blackboard and have people know what it is, it's not going to be effective. It's no more emotional than if someone changed the theme song to your favorite TV to something you disliked or changed the packaging for you favorate soda or something. Nicole > Best regards, > Alaksiej Carniajeu /AC > > Nicole wrote: > >>On 03-Nov-05 My Homeland Security "observers" reported that Chad Gross said: >> >> >>>I am glad I am not the only one. This logo is in no way, shape, or >>>form better for FreeBSD compared to the last logo. I mean honestly. I >>>am a marketing professional and I do not see the "progress" either. I >>>too enjoy the advancement of FreeBSD when it is actual progress. And I >>>agree with the above poster, does the logo really need changing? Maybe >>>it just needs some new marketers... I mean a Fedora, a Penguin, and a >>>Gecko have been working for Linux. And as a Christian I don't feel >>>that the old logo was offensive either. At least it had character. >>>Anyway, just an opinion of a user since 4.0. >>> >>>Chad M. Gross >>>Executive Team Trainer >>> >>> >>> >> >> I prefer the old "logo" even if it wasn't truly a logo, but a mascot as >>someone said. It had more character and could be regognized even in outline >>form. Yes it wasn't as "friendly" as the Linux penquin and some with narrow >>minds had issues with it, but this doesn't compare to either. It's the BSD >>version of "new coke". >> >> What was wrong with the new happier friendly looking beastie? >> >> Nicole (user since 2.6) >> Who has a BSD tatoo and I really can't see anyone to getting a tatoo of >> this >>new "logo" >> >>-- >>******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* >> * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * >> * * // \\ * * >> * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * >>----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- >> http://www.unixgirl.com - http://www.deviantimages.com >> http://www.myspace.com/theparts >> >> Why do all the closed minds have open mouths? >> -- Sister MaryMae Himm >> >>-- Walmart - We Screw Our Employee's, >> To Bring You The The Best Prices! >> >> The Large Print Giveth And The Small Print Taketh Away >> -- Tom Waits - "Step Right Up" >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >>http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >>To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> >> >> >> -- ******* |\ __ /| (`\ ******* * * | o_o |__ ) ) * * * * // \\ * * * Blessed Be! | Powered by FreeBSD * ----------------------(((---(((-------------------------------- http://www.unixgirl.com - http://www.deviantimages.com http://www.myspace.com/theparts Why do all the closed minds have open mouths? -- Sister MaryMae Himm -- Walmart - We Screw Our Employee's, To Bring You The The Best Prices! The Large Print Giveth And The Small Print Taketh Away -- Tom Waits - "Step Right Up" From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 5 00:27:50 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7354A16A41F for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:27:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from server.nsurl.com (nsurl.com [69.50.196.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204F643D45 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:27:49 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from dial-pool2-33.bas-net.by ([80.94.163.33]) by server.nsurl.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EYBuL-0006r8-9x; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:27:46 -0700 Message-ID: <436C04D4.5010806@miensk.com> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 03:03:16 +0200 From: ac User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 MultiZilla/1.6.4.0b X-Accept-Language: be, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joshua Tinnin References: <20051104023157.84F2C20F01@krell.webweaver.net> <436ADDAD.4040406@miensk.com> <200511032117.05947.krinklyfig@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <200511032117.05947.krinklyfig@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nsurl.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - miensk.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:27:50 -0000 Joshua Tinnin wrote: >On Thu 3 Nov 05 21:03, ac wrote: > > >>But IMO this funny red ball _r_e_a_l_l_y_ looks more attractive for >>newbies. At least, my co-workers (average PC users) have found it >>"friendly" and "intriguing", even "sexy". >> >> > >I always figured those people would be better off getting a Mac. > Mac would be nice for every dummy if not to think about money. Let me explain how it looks in my country (Belarus, Eastern Europe). The latest report on average salary in my country says it is near $220. A proposition to get stylish, but very expensive Mac sounds scoffing here, as in many other parts of the world. "Oh, you don't like Ford? Buy Lamborghini instead!" Most of people use PCs with pirated Windows - 5 bucks for a CD. If you either think that pirated software is not good, or simply get tired of its unreliabilty you have to chose between demons and penguins. Considering these alternatives neophits are choosing Linux, because of its positive image. It is not because they're all stupid lamers, it is natural behaviour, when you don't know where to start. >Not >that there's anything wrong with Macs or attracting new users, but not >sure the target demographic should be "average PC users." Can you >picture them using FreeBSD? > Yes. In fact, my co-workers, which I mentioned previously, use FreeBSD+KDE. They unable to install or administer it (as well as any other OS probably), but they don't need to - I am paid my salary for that. It works well. >[snip] >of such systems aren't going to be interested in marketing, though the >executive team might be (and they probably have more to say about >platform decisions in the end), but I don't know that FreeBSD should >attract the "average PC user." > Well, if you don't like those annoying average PC users :) Let's say - broader circles of people, who want to leave Windows in the past, but don't ready to pay for Mac. Some of them will be developers, some will donate... That's why we need them. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 5 00:28:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A3516A41F for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:28:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from server.nsurl.com (nsurl.com [69.50.196.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1B2843D45 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:28:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from dial-pool2-33.bas-net.by ([80.94.163.33]) by server.nsurl.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EYBuh-0006tb-2e; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:28:08 -0700 Message-ID: <436C04EF.9090504@miensk.com> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 03:03:43 +0200 From: ac User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 MultiZilla/1.6.4.0b X-Accept-Language: be, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nicole References: <20051104065452.CDCBA20F01@krell.webweaver.net> In-Reply-To: <20051104065452.CDCBA20F01@krell.webweaver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nsurl.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - miensk.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd-advocacy Digest, Vol 124, Issue 3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:28:10 -0000 Nicole wrote: > I know that. I was trying to convey how it's just too basic to make into >something that could be easily conveighed. IE if you break it down to its basic >form.. It looks like a rounded viking helmet. > > > [snip] > > I just don't find the new "logo" catchy and singularly identifiable enough >without all the cool shading effects and such. > You're right! Look, you've said "_singular_ identifiability", exactly that's why the new logo was introduced - Beastie has too much associations in many corners of the mind. And this is uresolvable problem. The new logo has problems regarding identifiabilty, but it's the matter of time and promotion. > If you can't draw it on a >blackboard and have people know what it is, it's not going to be effective. > > You're wrong here. Many most known signs were made from almost meaningless - at the moment of invention - graphics. Nike's logo as a good example. This way you can ensure that it will be _singular_ identifiable, after you give it meaning by promotion (or simply by utilization). > It's no more emotional than if someone changed the theme song to your favorite >TV to something you disliked or changed the packaging for you favorate soda or >something. > > I understand you, but anyway, the new logo is right decision From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 5 00:38:01 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F22DB16A41F for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:38:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from server.nsurl.com (nsurl.com [69.50.196.120]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5ABA43D45 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:38:01 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ac@miensk.com) Received: from dial-pool2-33.bas-net.by ([80.94.163.33]) by server.nsurl.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1EYC4F-0007aI-N2 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:38:00 -0700 Message-ID: <436C0740.1050507@miensk.com> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 03:13:36 +0200 From: ac User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.7.10) Gecko/20050716 MultiZilla/1.6.4.0b X-Accept-Language: be, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.nsurl.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - miensk.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Sorry X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:38:02 -0000 I've just received my own postings 2Nicole and 2Joshua Tinnin... and read them. Hm... :( Sorry for my English From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Nov 5 02:37:40 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E05C16A41F for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: from web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3BC9C43D45 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 02:37:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from stheg_olloydson@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 83079 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Nov 2005 02:37:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SFy3CcV748ZyKgMR376tqGBUqEcgYSlYJ7bBjbDnuHA/zq+DhwJ/HvAa7roTdoYUH9B0Hu5kRApLm2YkKB2tPQRBVinFujOnNqplgcn9zH0XCRwYDNhkqboFMVejJJocdZcASQyM4rODrVH5CKiSNIzYAFF/ofudT3/FSdfn8ek= ; Message-ID: <20051105023739.83077.qmail@web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [68.18.50.181] by web32713.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:37:39 PST Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: stheg olloydson To: Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg In-Reply-To: <4367EEB5.6050400@401.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: "freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: New Logo X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 02:37:40 -0000 --- Roger 'Rocky' VettVetterbergstlistsub.cx> cxote: > sthesthegoolloydsonte: > > it was said by stanstanb > > >> YUK!!!!!!!!! > >> > >> -- > >> U.S. Encouraged by Vietnam Vote - Officials Cite 83% > Turnout > >> Despite Vietcong Terror > >> - New York Times 9/3/1967 > > > > Look on the bright side! Everyone expected this to turn out > > badly, and they got more than they expected. Way more. > > > > shudders, > > > > sthestheg> > > Speak for yourself! > I had great expectations, and I'm very pleased to see the > result. > Congratulations to core and the winner of the contest for a > job > well done. > > 'Everyone' does not have a problem with FreeFreeBSDing to make > > progress. I know a lot of people do, but far from everyone. > > -- > R > How is changing the logo "progress"? The reality is a graphic image representing a product does not influence a savvy consumer's decision to buy the product. If quality be lacking, so to be the consumers. What it does influence is the identification and identity of the company putting the product forth. For instance, when the US was looking for a national symbol, many backed the bald eagle and many backed the turkey. The eagle has chosen because of the visceral reaction it provoked. But do you think people would not have emigrated to the US had it chosen the turkey? The only people affected by this entire sorry episode are those ALREADY in the FreeFreeBSDmunity. The handling of this affair could not have been designed to be more alienating, and the attitude of those handling it could not have been more arrogant. And to what end? Leaving aside the issue of whether or not gamegamedaemons will take legal action for the use of their logo by the FreeFreeBSDject, does the logo achieve its purported goals: 1)The BeasBeastiecot is not unique to FreeFreeBSD 2)The BeasBeastiecot has been combined with the text "FreeFreeBSD several different ways. ...the lack of a consistent logo leaves an unprofessional impression. 3)The current informal logos generally do not work well in two or three colors (such as black and white) or when scaled to small or large sizes. As noted, the chosen logo is not unique to FreeFreeBSD is already being used by gamegamedaemons. Therefore, goal one fails. The second goal is a matter of opinion, thus an irrelevant point. Going by the graphic at httphttpogo-contest.freefreebsd/result/640-1.png,pnge chosen logo does not work well in two color or greygreyle. Because of this, goal three fails. (It does not look like it will scale well either, but that remains to be seen.) So all this comes to is a furor in the community about fixing a non-existent public image problem; its solution does not resolve the stated causes of the problem and quite possibly introduces legal consequences. I'll stand in the way of the this sort of "progress" as much as possible. Now, if you want to make real progress, the name needs to be changed. While I have never had to explain the beasbeastiecause I have never shown it) at a sales meeting, I have ALWAYS had to explain I was talking about "FreeFreeBSDt "free BSD", and I have ALWAYS had to explain why I was advocating "free BSD" instead of "commercial BSD". [Too bad OpenOpenBSDtaken because by now most of the executives have heard the expression "open source".] If changing the name is too much progprogessw about getting some press for the existing one? After I explain the "FreeFreeBSDree BSD" difference, the universal response is, "Oh! You're talking about Linux!" HhhmHhhmmm Maybe that's when I can use the graphic! I can say, "Not this!" while displaying the unprofessional penguin. Then I can say, "This!!!" while displaying gamegamedaemons's ...ermmermmFreeFreeBSD'sfessional pokepokemonl. regards, sthestheg __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com