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Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2004/12/20] alpha/75317 alpha ATA DMA broken on PCalpha 1 problem total. Serious problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f [2001/09/10] alpha/30486 alpha AlphaServer DS10 floppy access is broken o [2003/02/05] alpha/47952 alpha DEFPA causes machine check with V5.0-rele o [2003/11/10] alpha/59116 alpha [ntfs] mount_ntfs of a Windows 2000-forma o [2004/01/26] alpha/61940 alpha Can't disklabel new disk from FreeBSD/alp o [2004/01/27] alpha/61973 alpha Machine Check on boot-up of AlphaServer 2 f [2004/06/06] alpha/67626 alpha X crashes an alpha machine, resulting reb 6 problems total. Non-critical problems S Submitted Tracker Resp. Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o [2001/02/22] alpha/25284 alpha PC164 won't reboot with graphics console f [2001/07/29] alpha/29299 alpha FreeBSD 4.3 Alpha + Tekram SCSI adapter p o [2002/05/13] alpha/38031 alpha osf1.ko not loaded during boot-time of li o [2003/02/25] alpha/48676 alpha Changing the baud rate of serial consoles o [2003/04/12] alpha/50868 alpha fd0 floppy device is not mapped into /dev o [2004/05/10] alpha/66478 alpha unexpected machine check: panic for 4.9, o [2004/06/13] alpha/67903 alpha hw.chipset.memory: 1099511627776 - thats 7 problems total. 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Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: FreeBSD Tinderbox From: FreeBSD Tinderbox To: FreeBSD Tinderbox , , Precedence: bulk Message-Id: <20050714202855.17FFF7302F@freebsd-current.sentex.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:28:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.85.1, clamav-milter version 0.85 on clamscanner1 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.51 on 64.7.153.18 Cc: Subject: [current tinderbox] failure on alpha/alpha X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 20:28:58 -0000 TB --- 2005-07-14 19:00:01 - tinderbox 2.3 running on freebsd-current.sentex.ca TB --- 2005-07-14 19:00:01 - starting CURRENT tinderbox run for alpha/alpha TB --- 2005-07-14 19:00:01 - cleaning the object tree TB --- 2005-07-14 19:00:26 - checking out the source tree TB --- 2005-07-14 19:00:26 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha TB --- 2005-07-14 19:00:26 - /usr/bin/cvs -f -R -q -d/home/ncvs update -Pd -A src TB --- 2005-07-14 19:06:49 - building world (CFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2005-07-14 19:06:49 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2005-07-14 19:06:49 - /usr/bin/make -B buildworld >>> Rebuilding the temporary build tree >>> stage 1.1: legacy release compatibility shims >>> stage 1.2: bootstrap tools >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3: cross tools >>> stage 4.1: building includes >>> stage 4.2: building libraries >>> stage 4.3: make dependencies >>> stage 4.4: building everything TB --- 2005-07-14 20:13:49 - building generic kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2005-07-14 20:13:49 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2005-07-14 20:13:49 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=GENERIC >>> Kernel build for GENERIC started on Thu Jul 14 20:13:49 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies >>> stage 3.2: building everything >>> Kernel build for GENERIC completed on Thu Jul 14 20:27:31 UTC 2005 TB --- 2005-07-14 20:27:31 - generating LINT kernel config TB --- 2005-07-14 20:27:31 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/alpha/conf TB --- 2005-07-14 20:27:31 - /usr/bin/make -B LINT TB --- 2005-07-14 20:27:31 - building LINT kernel (COPTFLAGS=-O2 -pipe) TB --- 2005-07-14 20:27:31 - cd /home/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src TB --- 2005-07-14 20:27:31 - /usr/bin/make buildkernel KERNCONF=LINT >>> Kernel build for LINT started on Thu Jul 14 20:27:31 UTC 2005 >>> stage 1: configuring the kernel >>> stage 2.1: cleaning up the object tree >>> stage 2.2: rebuilding the object tree >>> stage 2.3: build tools >>> stage 3.1: making dependencies [...] awk -f /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/tools/makeobjops.awk /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/libkern/iconv_converter_if.m -h awk -f /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/tools/makeobjops.awk /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/alpha/alpha/clock_if.m -h awk -f /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/tools/makeobjops.awk /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/alpha/pci/alphapci_if.m -h awk -f /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/tools/makeobjops.awk /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/dev/dec/mcclock_if.m -h rm -f .newdep /usr/bin/make -V CFILES -V SYSTEM_CFILES -V GEN_CFILES | MKDEP_CPP="cc -E" CC="cc" xargs mkdep -a -f .newdep -O2 -pipe -fno-strict-aliasing -mcpu=ev4 -mtune=ev5 -mieee -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -nostdinc -I- -I. -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/acpica -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/altq -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ipfilter -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/pf -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/dev/ath/freebsd -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/contrib/ngatm -I/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/dev/twa -D_KERNEL -include opt_global.h -fno-common -finline-limit=15000 --param inline-unit-growth=100 --param large-function-growth=1000 -fno-builtin -mno-fp-regs -ff ixed-8 -Wa,-mev6 -ffreestanding /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/dev/usb/sl811hs.c:50:23: opt_slhci.h: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/obj/alpha/tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src/sys/LINT. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /tinderbox/CURRENT/alpha/alpha/src. TB --- 2005-07-14 20:28:54 - WARNING: /usr/bin/make returned exit code 1 TB --- 2005-07-14 20:28:54 - ERROR: failed to build lint kernel TB --- 2005-07-14 20:28:54 - tinderbox aborted From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 09:03:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C11E16A41C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:03:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spoerlein@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) Received: from wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCED43D48 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:03:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from spoerlein@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) Received: from wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.34]) by wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AE3E1C1B for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from virusscan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CF9C5908D for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.3.28]) by wrzx34.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EC7859088 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from frodo.galgenberg.net (wwsx14.win-screen.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.253.14]) by wrzx28.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13065E1C1B for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from coyote.q.local (gb-21-237.galgenberg.net [172.16.21.237]) by frodo.galgenberg.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F93J82062592 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from spoerlein@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) Received: from roadrunner.q.local (roadrunner.q.local [192.168.0.148]) by coyote.q.local (8.13.3/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6F93ISH021078 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:18 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from spoerlein@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) Received: from roadrunner.q.local (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roadrunner.q.local (8.13.4/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6F93Gjo010979 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from spoerlein@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) Received: (from q@localhost) by roadrunner.q.local (8.13.4/8.13.3/Submit) id j6F93G5o010978 for alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:16 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from spoerlein@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:03:16 +0200 From: Ulrich Spoerlein To: alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050715090315.GA987@galgenberg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: mutt-ng devel (FreeBSD) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new (Rechenzentrum Universitaet Wuerzburg) Cc: Subject: DDB ignores some input chars (sio) X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:03:22 -0000 --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, When entering DDB on my Alpha 164 running 6.0-CURRENT from late May several entered chars are ignored. I have to press some keys twice or thrice until they show up. This looks like a timing issue to me, as all keys are affected and it happens rather randomly. After exiting DDB, all doulby entered chars are then printed on the console. This is while running over serial console. omega# sysctl debug.kdb.enter=3D1 debug.kdb.enter:K D0B: enter: sysctl debug.kdb.enter [thread pid 438 tid 100050 ] Stopped at kdb_enter+0x48: or zero,zero,zero db> I'menterng varousha ow No such command db> c ii crsn -> 0 omega#=20 omega# ii crsn I tried to enter "I'm entering various chars now", as you can see, DDB ignores some chars, which then are displayed later. Is my serial setup broken? I'm connection with 9600/N/1 and didn't change anything on the Alpha. Ulrich Spoerlein --=20 PGP Key ID: F0DB9F44 Encrypted mail welcome! Fingerprint: F1CE D062 0CA9 ADE3 349B 2FE8 980A C6B5 F0DB 9F44 Ok, which part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn." didn't you understand? --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFC13vTmArGtfDbn0QRAosvAKCiAkBMhn+vjRZcDghek4AarAbu0ACgm56F m1jtvXDdNvEdd8VdOZor45k= =hReS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --h31gzZEtNLTqOjlF-- From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 15:28:18 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361F916A41C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:28:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from ns1.xcllnt.net (209-128-86-226.BAYAREA.NET [209.128.86.226]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C6E43D46 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:28:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) Received: from [192.168.4.250] (dhcp50.pn.xcllnt.net [192.168.4.250]) by ns1.xcllnt.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FFSGM0001095; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:28:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from marcel@xcllnt.net) In-Reply-To: <20050715090315.GA987@galgenberg.net> References: <20050715090315.GA987@galgenberg.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <27c2c3e1e4cef74cfa30ac7a4fe8d5c8@xcllnt.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Marcel Moolenaar Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:28:16 -0700 To: Ulrich Spoerlein X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DDB ignores some input chars (sio) X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:28:18 -0000 On Jul 15, 2005, at 2:03 AM, Ulrich Spoerlein wrote: > When entering DDB on my Alpha 164 running 6.0-CURRENT from late May > several entered chars are ignored. I have to press some keys twice or > thrice until they show up. This looks like a timing issue to me, as all > keys are affected and it happens rather randomly. After exiting DDB, > all > doulby entered chars are then printed on the console. This is caused by critical sections not disabling interrupts anymore. It's a bug that needs to be fixed. -- Marcel Moolenaar USPA: A-39004 marcel@xcllnt.net From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 17:51:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB2616A41F for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:51:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from terry@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com) Received: from uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com (uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com [149.138.10.246]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E47AF43D4C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:51:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from terry@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com) Received: from uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6FHpCRX002345 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:51:12 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from terry@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com) Received: (from terry@localhost) by uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) id j6FHpCYt002344 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:51:12 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 10:51:12 -0700 (MST) From: "Terry R. Friedrichsen" Message-Id: <200507151751.j6FHpCYt002344@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com> To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: terry@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 17:51:13 -0000 I don't expect anybody to know what's really going on here; all I really want is for somebody to drop me mail that says "yeah, don't bother trying to run X on DS10 FreeBSD 5.4/Alpha; it doesn't work" or "X works just fine on DS10 FreeBSD 5.4/Alpha; you're a bonehead". So here's my story: I am having loads and loads of trouble trying to get X to run on a DS10. The filesystems are solid as a rock as long as I'm not trying to use X, and flakier than a box of Kellogg's the instant I try to run the Xorg server. I've hammered the disks hard and long without X running, and everything works great. First, trying to run X will hang the system, generally even before the xdm login screen comes up. But, one magical time, it came up, let me log in, ran the window manager, and executed my .xsesion file perfectly. It promptly hung at the first command I typed into an xterm window. The disk activity light was solid on ... Power-cycling to reboot hung when xdm fired up, and I've never gotten past it again. (Oh, yeah, I rerun "-configure" because power-cycling the machine so thoroughly damages the filesystems that I have to reinstall from the CD. This situation, while still a problem, has been *greatly* reduced by turning off soft-updates for /usr - and I've turned off background fsck's, else the damaged filesystems wouldn't even permit booting.) Sometimes "Xorg -configure" will complete; sometimes it will go away forever. When it goes away forever, Xorg.0.log is totally empty, although a few lines of output *do* appear on the screen (but just the first few telling me what the various line abbreviations mean). I've followed the Handbook stuff on configuring X, when I can actually get "-configure" to work". As nearly as I can tell from reading reams of documentation, I seem to be doing everything right. And, of course, there was that one magical time when it all worked perfectly ... Finally, it's not the disk drive: I've installed FreeBSD on both da0 and da1. The first power-cycle while booted on da1 rendered da1 un- bootable. da0 has, with difficulty, survived all of the abuse so far. To eliminate the SCSI bus, I installed FreeBSD on an ATA drive. That actually failed; after exploding all of the packages like Perl, the fonts, etc., it says something like "Attempting to install all selected distributions" and hangs there forever. I tried that twice, with the same results both times; this screen normally only appears for about 2 seconds. Well, anyway, if somebody could just take the time to let me know whe- ther this is all *supposed* to work or whether I'm just wasting my time, I'd appreciate it. Terry R. Friedrichsen terry@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 18:03:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3C916A41C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:03:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from RICHARDLO@admin.athabascau.ca) Received: from devax.admin.athabascau.ca (devax.admin.athabascau.ca [131.232.5.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7023143D49 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:03:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from RICHARDLO@admin.athabascau.ca) Received: from admin.athabascau.ca by admin.athabascau.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #29292) id <01LQNJDDRUFK8Y9VOI@admin.athabascau.ca> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:02:40 MST Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:02:39 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Loken In-reply-to: <200507151751.j6FHpCYt002344@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com> To: "Terry R. Friedrichsen" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Please-Resend: yes Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:03:13 -0000 I can tell you what has caused such behaviour for me: when I introduce an error into the X config and wind up filling up all available disk with error messages - the time I did this (and I forget what i broke), the errors were going to a .xsession error log file in my (not root's) home directory. This is not with a DS10 but with a PC164. Think about your vga card and its device drivers. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 20:27:23 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5026916A42B for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:27:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aelmore@interwoven.com) Received: from smtp01corp.interwoven.com (smtp02corp.interwoven.com [65.161.4.46]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C5C43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:27:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from aelmore@interwoven.com) Received: from exbesv01.Interwoven.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01corp.interwoven.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6FKRJxJ008822 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relax.amer.interwoven.com ([10.192.11.188]) by exbesv01.Interwoven.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:27:20 -0700 Received: from relax.amer.interwoven.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relax.amer.interwoven.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6FKRKtX077757 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aelmore@relax.amer.interwoven.com) Received: (from aelmore@localhost) by relax.amer.interwoven.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j6FKRKwu077756 for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:27:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from aelmore) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:27:20 -0700 From: Andrew Elmore To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20050715202720.GF68264@interwoven.com> References: <200507151751.j6FHpCYt002344@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200507151751.j6FHpCYt002344@uplift.hosp.misyshealthcare.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 20:27:20.0817 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A08AE10:01C5897B] Subject: Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:27:23 -0000 On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 10:51:12AM -0700, Terry R. Friedrichsen wrote: > I don't expect anybody to know what's really going on here; all I really > want is for somebody to drop me mail that says "yeah, don't bother trying > to run X on DS10 FreeBSD 5.4/Alpha; it doesn't work" or "X works just fine > on DS10 FreeBSD 5.4/Alpha; you're a bonehead". After lots of pain, I finally got X up on my DS10, and also my PC164SX, both using old Matrox cards. In my case, the trick was turning off WITNESS in the kernel config file. At this point, X seems quite stable. If I could get Mozilla to run without crashing I'd be a happy man. Good luck! Andrew From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 21:00:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D6316A41C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:00:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from RICHARDLO@admin.athabascau.ca) Received: from devax.admin.athabascau.ca (devax.admin.athabascau.ca [131.232.5.11]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64E543D45 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:00:10 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from RICHARDLO@admin.athabascau.ca) Received: from admin.athabascau.ca by admin.athabascau.ca (PMDF V5.1-12 #29292) id <01LQNPK0G7RE8Y9VOI@admin.athabascau.ca> for freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:59:48 MST Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:59:48 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Loken In-reply-to: <20050715202720.GF68264@interwoven.com> To: Andrew Elmore Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Please-Resend: yes Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:00:13 -0000 On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Andrew Elmore wrote: > At this point, X seems quite stable. If I could get Mozilla to run > without crashing I'd be a happy man. If you succeed at that you will be loved and admired by the entire Alpha FreeBSD user community. Honour, fame, and happiness... what else matters? -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Systems Programmer - VMS : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University : but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richardlo@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 21:07:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44E416A41F for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:07:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B183A43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:07:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [10.1.1.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6FL76BS062922 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:07:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (cicely12.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301::12]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6FL6QJ7069044 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:06:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6FL6PZ9096808; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:06:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j6FL6KbV096773; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:06:20 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:06:20 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Richard Loken Message-ID: <20050715210619.GY703@cicely12.cicely.de> References: <20050715202720.GF68264@interwoven.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely12.cicely.de 5.2-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Report: * -4.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on cicely12.cicely.de Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 21:07:15 -0000 On Fri, Jul 15, 2005 at 02:59:48PM -0700, Richard Loken wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Andrew Elmore wrote: > > > At this point, X seems quite stable. If I could get Mozilla to run > > without crashing I'd be a happy man. > > If you succeed at that you will be loved and admired by the entire Alpha > FreeBSD user community. Honour, fame, and happiness... what else matters? Mozilla runs for me since years. I'm currently running mozilla-1.7.8,2 -- B.Walter BWCT http://www.bwct.de bernd@bwct.de info@bwct.de From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jul 15 23:03:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F1316A41C for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:03:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from ford.blinkenlights.nl (ford.blinkenlights.nl [213.204.211.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26DF43D45 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:03:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from tea.blinkenlights.nl (tea.blinkenlights.nl [192.168.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ford.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2336D3F294; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:03:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id B69BF276; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:03:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D144156; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:03:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:03:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Sten Spans To: Richard Loken In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:03:27 -0000 On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Richard Loken wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Andrew Elmore wrote: > >> At this point, X seems quite stable. If I could get Mozilla to run >> without crashing I'd be a happy man. > > If you succeed at that you will be loved and admired by the entire Alpha > FreeBSD user community. Honour, fame, and happiness... what else matters? I would reserve that for vga on ds15-ish systems with vga connected to hose 1 instead of 0, which should cause even more interesting stuff to happen :). ( Not that fbsd works on ds15 now though :) -- Sten Spans "There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in." Leonard Cohen - Anthem From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 16 14:39:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27FB916A41C for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:39:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8754043D46 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:39:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr10.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GEdF8N007540; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:39:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GEdFAj013449; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:39:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j6GEdEVc013448; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:39:14 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:39:14 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Sten Spans Message-ID: <20050716143914.GA13431@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 14:39:24 -0000 On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:03:24AM +0200, Sten Spans wrote.. > On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Richard Loken wrote: > > >On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Andrew Elmore wrote: > > > >>At this point, X seems quite stable. If I could get Mozilla to run > >>without crashing I'd be a happy man. > > > >If you succeed at that you will be loved and admired by the entire Alpha > >FreeBSD user community. Honour, fame, and happiness... what else matters? > > I would reserve that for vga on ds15-ish systems with vga connected > to hose 1 instead of 0, which should cause even more interesting > stuff to happen :). > > ( Not that fbsd works on ds15 now though :) Not that anyone has a DS15 (that I know of ;-) to play with it. -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 16 18:44:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8567416A41C for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:44:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from ford.blinkenlights.nl (ford.blinkenlights.nl [213.204.211.2]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D4C43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:44:40 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sten@blinkenlights.nl) Received: from tea.blinkenlights.nl (tea.blinkenlights.nl [192.168.1.21]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ford.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D123F294; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:44:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix, from userid 101) id 09275276; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:44:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tea.blinkenlights.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAA3D156; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:44:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:44:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Sten Spans To: Wilko Bulte In-Reply-To: <20050716143914.GA13431@freebie.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: References: <20050716143914.GA13431@freebie.xs4all.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: DS15 (was Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X) X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 18:44:41 -0000 On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Wilko Bulte wrote: > On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:03:24AM +0200, Sten Spans wrote.. >> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Richard Loken wrote: >> >>> >>> If you succeed at that you will be loved and admired by the entire Alpha >>> FreeBSD user community. Honour, fame, and happiness... what else matters? >> >> I would reserve that for vga on ds15-ish systems with vga connected >> to hose 1 instead of 0, which should cause even more interesting >> stuff to happen :). >> >> ( Not that fbsd works on ds15 now though :) > > Not that anyone has a DS15 (that I know of ;-) to play with it. After some digging I did it seems that the linux support was done by some compaq engineers a few years ago. And that even inside hp these boxen are quite rare. Only the bigger boxen (ds25, es45) sell in measurable quantities. That said, it does look like a ds15 will be available with remote console and tftpboot support in the hp testrun labs. It might be enough to get freebsd booting, because there should be only a few minor issues preventing a succesful boot. I've looked at the *bsd alpha architecture code, and found these to be pretty similar and small/minimal. The linux code is quite a bit bigger/messier, with a lot of code duplication and compaq in it's linux days added support for every error condition possible. This expanded the code quite a bit. But lifting out the main changes needed for the newer motherboard chipset should be doable, the main suspect seems to be the location of the srm bootcode, which has been changed. It wont solve the more complex issues like: - 2-4gb+ memory support - vga on different hoses - pci bridge chip breakage but should allow the box to be usable in serial console setups, which is how sensible people use them anyway :). -- Sten Spans "There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in." Leonard Cohen - Anthem From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 16 19:05:08 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F3A16A41C for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:05:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C122F43D45 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:05:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (freebie.xs4all.nl [213.84.32.253]) by smtp-vbr6.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GJ4xI7066453; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:04:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: from freebie.xs4all.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6GJ4xZl079373; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:04:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb@freebie.xs4all.nl) Received: (from wb@localhost) by freebie.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.1/Submit) id j6GJ4xFW079372; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:04:59 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wb) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:04:59 +0200 From: Wilko Bulte To: Sten Spans Message-ID: <20050716190458.GD79284@freebie.xs4all.nl> References: <20050716143914.GA13431@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-OS: FreeBSD 5.4-STABLE User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DS15 (was Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X) X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:05:08 -0000 On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:44:08PM +0200, Sten Spans wrote.. > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > >On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:03:24AM +0200, Sten Spans wrote.. > >>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Richard Loken wrote: > >> > >>> > >>>If you succeed at that you will be loved and admired by the entire Alpha > >>>FreeBSD user community. Honour, fame, and happiness... what else > >>>matters? > >> > >>I would reserve that for vga on ds15-ish systems with vga connected > >>to hose 1 instead of 0, which should cause even more interesting > >>stuff to happen :). > >> > >>( Not that fbsd works on ds15 now though :) > > > >Not that anyone has a DS15 (that I know of ;-) to play with it. > > After some digging I did it seems that the linux support was > done by some compaq engineers a few years ago. And that even > inside hp these boxen are quite rare. Only the bigger I know. I work for HP ;) > boxen (ds25, es45) sell in measurable quantities. ES45 is quite popular yes. > I've looked at the *bsd alpha architecture code, > and found these to be pretty similar and small/minimal. > > The linux code is quite a bit bigger/messier, with a lot of .... > code duplication and compaq in it's linux days added support > for every error condition possible. This expanded the code quite > a bit. But lifting out the main changes needed for the newer > motherboard chipset should be doable, the main suspect seems > to be the location of the srm bootcode, which has been changed. Hm. > It wont solve the more complex issues like: > - 2-4gb+ memory support > - vga on different hoses > - pci bridge chip breakage > > but should allow the box to be usable in serial console > setups, which is how sensible people use them anyway :). Exactly :) -- Wilko Bulte wilko@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 16 19:46:32 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C15A16A41C for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:46:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from srv1.cosmo-project.de (srv1.cosmo-project.de [213.83.6.106]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC1743D48 for ; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:46:31 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely5.cicely.de (cicely5.cicely.de [10.1.1.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by srv1.cosmo-project.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6GJkNBS097964 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:46:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (cicely12.cicely.de [IPv6:3ffe:400:8d0:301::12]) by cicely5.cicely.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j6GJjtJ7076493 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: from cicely12.cicely.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6GJjs9F030328; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:54 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso@cicely12.cicely.de) Received: (from ticso@localhost) by cicely12.cicely.de (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j6GJjrO6030327; Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:53 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from ticso) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 21:45:53 +0200 From: Bernd Walter To: Sten Spans Message-ID: <20050716194553.GO7597@cicely12.cicely.de> References: <20050716143914.GA13431@freebie.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD cicely12.cicely.de 5.2-CURRENT alpha User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 X-Spam-Report: * -4.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on cicely12.cicely.de Cc: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DS15 (was Re: Alpha vs. FreeBSD 5.4 vs. X) X-BeenThere: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ticso@cicely.de List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the Alpha List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:46:32 -0000 On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 08:44:08PM +0200, Sten Spans wrote: > On Sat, 16 Jul 2005, Wilko Bulte wrote: > > >On Sat, Jul 16, 2005 at 01:03:24AM +0200, Sten Spans wrote.. > >>On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Richard Loken wrote: > It wont solve the more complex issues like: > - 2-4gb+ memory support In progress - ENOTIME catched me a few times. An AS4100 with 5.5G memory reminds me everyday about this. I'm currently about to prepare first commits to get infrastructure in. That is having all machine types tell about their direct map size and pointers to architecuture dependend map functions. > - vga on different hoses There are very special things going on. Even on i386 there are many troubles if a card wasn't intilized with VGA emulation. > - pci bridge chip breakage Generally speaking PCI bridge support is MI and works fine on all supported alpha machines. There are a few machine types that still have wrong interrupt routing, but that's a matter of testing and not implementation - this should apply only to a few very old machine types. However there is a lot of driver breakage in respect of memory mode access and since SRM configures no IO space behind PCI bridges it's a real problem. We may need to have code for doing resource allocation ourself, so that we get IO space behind bridges or fix all drivers. Fixing drivers would be an endless story IMHO... > but should allow the box to be usable in serial console > setups, which is how sensible people use them anyway :). :) -- B.Walter BWCT http://www.bwct.de bernd@bwct.de info@bwct.de