From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 1 12:19:09 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7546116A5AB for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 12:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe01.swip.net [212.247.154.1]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841E643D49 for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 12:19:08 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from xride@x12.dk) X-T2-Posting-ID: lkM/Dn7LTUP9vUt2XCoVCw== Received: from x12.dk ([83.72.97.237] verified) by mailfe01.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 357368984 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 14:19:07 +0200 Received: by x12.dk (Postfix, from userid 666) id 7E9812096; Sun, 1 May 2005 14:19:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by x12.dk (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F3A208E for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 14:19:05 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 14:19:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Soeren Straarup To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050430234322.GA65685@nevermind.kiev.ua> Message-ID: <20050501141640.C58500@x12.dk> References: <20050430234322.GA65685@nevermind.kiev.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Subject: Re: Are there actual any woman in the freebsd world X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 12:19:09 -0000 On Sun, 1 May 2005, Alexandr Kovalenko wrote: > Hello, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav! > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2005 at 07:42:48PM +0100, you wrote: > > > Gert Cuykens writes: > > > [desperately trying to chat up a geek girl in a public forum] Why pick one up when one can turn a woman into a freebsd user? > > > > Please move this discussion to private email. > > Hm, I think it is pretty interesting for a lot of people :)) > > BTW, this thread reminded me that I need to go to ColoCALL... I really > need to buy some organizer... > \S=F8ren Soeren Straarup | aka OZ2DAK aka Xride FreeBSD wannabe | FreeBSD since 2.2.6-R 'We wanted to believe. But the tools had been taken away..' Mulder From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 2 06:03:47 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C88416A4CE for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 06:03:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cydem.org (S0106000103ce4c9c.ed.shawcable.net [68.149.254.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9F543D53 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 06:03:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from soralx@cydem.org) Received: from S01060020ed3972ba.ed.shawcable.net (S01060020ed3972ba.ed.shawcable.net [68.149.254.68]) by cydem.org (Postfix/FreeBSD) with ESMTP id CF72437681 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 00:03:45 -0600 (MDT) From: To: FreeBSD-chat@FreeBSD.org Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 00:03:17 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 References: <4272AD64.3040001@chuckr.org> In-Reply-To: <4272AD64.3040001@chuckr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200505020003.17297.soralx@cydem.org> Subject: Re: bragging rights X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 06:03:47 -0000 > home section, which is formed from two 145G scsi disks. They are each > only 10K rotation rate (faster than the fastest IDE, anyhow), but each > one has it's own independent scsi bus, so that the fast that they're wouldn't it be better to connect both 145G SCSI drives on the same channel, so that they could talk to each other directly? Yeah, and BTW, was it hard getting mortgage, to pay for all this? ;) Hm... Timestamp: 0x4275C0FD [SorAlx] http://cydem.org.ua/ ridin' VN1500-B2 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 2 10:01:51 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94A4616A4CE for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:01:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from clarus.schtriker.net (clarus.schtriker.net [193.77.83.39]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAB5843D2F for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:01:50 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from simon@schtriker.net) Received: from [192.168.3.3] (Simkobook.schtriker.net [192.168.3.3]) by clarus.schtriker.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DDF7E80C for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 12:01:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4275FA8A.5050906@schtriker.net> Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 12:01:46 +0200 From: Simon Striker User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: /etc/issue problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: simon@schtriker.net List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:01:51 -0000 Hi! I have a FreeBSD 5.3 installed and I want to show a pre-login text when user wants to login to the server through a console or telnet. I made an /etc/issue file and copied some text inside, but when I telnet to the server, the text does not appear! (/etc/issue has 644 rights). My /etc/gettytab includes: default:\ :cb:ce:ck:lc:fd#1000:im=\r\n\Welcome!\r\n\r\n:sp#1200: :if=/etc/issue: Does enybody know where is the problem and how can I fix it? I will be very happy if someone will help me or give me a piece of advice! Best regards, Simon -- Simon Striker Rusjanov trg 2 1000 Ljubljana +38641473856 Europe (Slovenia) E-mail: simon@schtriker.net From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 2 15:33:37 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FE416A4CE for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:33:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from barrierb241.nike.com (nbarrierb241.nike.com [146.197.27.40]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C10643D49 for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 15:33:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Rick.Hamell@nike.com) X-Server-Uuid: BDE2CC8B-9671-48D4-9A25-CA756DA0A621 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.1.0.040913 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 08:29:18 -0700 From: "Hamell, Rick (ACS)" To: "Chuck Robey" Message-ID: <200505021533.j42FVf5S016363@barrierb241.nike.com> In-Reply-To: <~B00995d029.063f76be.mml.2604795076@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2005 15:33:16.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[42A9D970:01C54F2C] X-WSS-ID: 6E6897B71LK146502-01-01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bragging rights X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 15:33:37 -0000 >> It's a big grey Antec case witha side thats clear, so it has a fan >> there. I've sprayed clear/blue UV spray all over the plastic, so the >> lit up side mounted fan there flouresces the plastic very nicely. The >> system has two fans in front, two in the rear, one on the side, and >> two on the two AMD64 processors. The fans are all speed-controlled, >> so I don't have to listen to the end of the world vibrating itself to >> death here on my desktop, it's actually very quiet. The two CPU fans >> are very quiet ones, Thermaltake's, but I forget the model number, so >> I will just say that they works at fairly low rpms to keep the noise >> down. Each of those cpus is equipped with a Gig of ram from Corsair. Hmmm... Any one know if it's possible to get a speed controlled fan for a 3Com III Switch? Mine is going bad and since it's located in the living room makes for some slight problems. I've yet to tear the thing apart mostly because it's in a live environment. (Almost said production but realistically all I produce is crap. :) -- Rick Hamell ACS-Inc. Advanced Macintosh Desktop Support Green Belt 503.671.2147 Rick.Hamell@nwdc.net From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 4 16:40:57 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE5116A4CF for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:40:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.198]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E770E43D5E for ; Wed, 4 May 2005 16:40:47 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from carlsonmark@gmail.com) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so218139wra for ; Wed, 04 May 2005 09:40:20 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=MetoQChtSY7ODdCWt3NnPw0nDetz9/wuDrF36emkwSq3TogafSGVgr8YXCf2NkjjmK6r0RhiBo9JPw0h9ZXBQ1auKs/LCIb+edZb4VxIE1iQKlxkn2/CYqYmygtYt5dHaXPj/+2AM7fY6rA/tmuiII02QBwC1mbmQlz04/fnt/s= Received: by 10.54.106.7 with SMTP id e7mr395331wrc; Wed, 04 May 2005 09:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.13.2 with HTTP; Wed, 4 May 2005 09:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:40:20 -0600 From: Mark Carlson To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20050503120030.5912116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050503120030.5912116A4D3@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 109, Issue 2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mark Carlson List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 16:40:57 -0000 > Hmmm... Any one know if it's possible to get a speed controlled fan for a > 3Com III Switch? Mine is going bad and since it's located in the living r= oom > makes for some slight problems. I've yet to tear the thing apart mostly > because it's in a live environment. (Almost said production but > realistically all I produce is crap. :) > -- > Rick Hamell If I read that right, you want to make a noisy fan quieter by reducing its speed? If the fan just started being noisy, that would be a really bad idea, as the fan _will_ fail sometime soon. A better solution in that case would be to just buy a new fan (although they are not the easiest ones to find.) Any fan controller should work, however, as the fans are just regular ones that are ~60mm (at least on the two 3Com switches I have opened up.) You may have to do some hacking and slashing to get it in there, and you may need one capable of controllng two, as some of those 3Com switches have two fans in them. The good news is that there is usually plenty of free space inside the box to play around with, just be careful not to obstruct the air flow. One more thing to note: The fans are usually mounted right between the power supply and the rest of the circuitry, and although it looks like they are just used to cool the power supply, those other chips get mighty warm sometimes. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 5 02:49:43 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14FD016A4CE for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:49:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.203]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493A843D46 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 02:49:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smckay@internode.on.net) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp112-89.lns1.bne3.internode.on.net [59.167.112.89])j452lTYK034020; Thu, 5 May 2005 12:17:29 +0930 (CST) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.13.1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j452kqqZ006459; Thu, 5 May 2005 12:46:52 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200505050246.j452kqqZ006459@dungeon.home> To: Chuck Robey References: <4272AD64.3040001@chuckr.org> In-Reply-To: <4272AD64.3040001@chuckr.org> from Chuck Robey at "Fri, 29 Apr 2005 21:55:48 +0000" Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 12:46:52 +1000 From: Stephen McKay cc: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org cc: Stephen McKay Subject: Re: bragging rights X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 02:49:43 -0000 On Friday, 29th April 2005, Chuck Robey wrote: >The disks are very well worth noting. Three of them, organized into the >boot section and the home section. The boot section is a 35G scsi, but >it's 15K rpm rotation rate, which means it's blazing. This would be >fast enough on it's own, but it's not on it's own. Tell me if you think >it's the neatest, but I don't think so. My own encomium is given to the Thank you for teaching me a new word. "Encomium" is not commonly used, to say the least. :-) >home section, which is formed from two 145G scsi disks. They are each >only 10K rotation rate (faster than the fastest IDE, anyhow), but each >one has it's own independent scsi bus, so that the fast that they're >hooked together in a striped access via vinum means (in effect) I have a >290G drive that's, I dunno, I have to get to test, but damned fast, let >me tell you! Personally, I would have mirrored the data disks instead of striping them. Much slower, yes, but I'm tired of losing data when disks die. Even if you have recent backups they are never recent enough to restore everything. >I'm very very proud of this system, Can you see why? I'm pretty proud of my stuff too, but that's because I've made a pile of cast-off junk work, sometimes in unlikely configurations. Are any of you still using ISA bus scsi cards? I thought not! At least I've retired my thin coax ethernet... Stephen. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 5 03:48:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2665216A4CE for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 03:48:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ash25e.internode.on.net (ash25e.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.182]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2563B43D7D for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 03:48:18 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from smckay@internode.on.net) Received: from dungeon.home (ppp112-89.lns1.bne3.internode.on.net [59.167.112.89])j453lTP2069024; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:17:29 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from smckay@internode.on.net) Received: from dungeon.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dungeon.home (8.13.1/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j453ks61006808; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:46:54 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from mckay) Message-Id: <200505050346.j453ks61006808@dungeon.home> To: Chuck Robey References: <4272AD64.3040001@chuckr.org> <200505050246.j452kqqZ006459@dungeon.home> <42798FE8.30802@chuckr.org> In-Reply-To: <42798FE8.30802@chuckr.org> from Chuck Robey at "Thu, 05 May 2005 03:15:52 +0000" Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 13:46:54 +1000 From: Stephen McKay cc: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org cc: Stephen McKay Subject: Re: bragging rights X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 03:48:19 -0000 On Thursday, 5th May 2005, Chuck Robey wrote: >Stephen McKay wrote: >> Personally, I would have mirrored the data disks instead of striping them. >> Much slower, yes, but I'm tired of losing data when disks die. Even if >> you have recent backups they are never recent enough to restore everything. > >And I'm fairly certain that you're right on this. I'm too busy right >this minute to give the project enough research to get it right ... I >have two disks, each 145G, and which I wouldn't mind giving up up to 1/3 >of the space, if I could, to reliability, I really want the speed, and I >would NOT give up the entire disk, I don't need that sort of reliabilty, >I just don't. So, would you mind tellme, what do you think I ought to do? Hmm. If you split each disk at the 1/3 point and mirror 2/3 of each disk, you end up with 66% of the disk space usable: 33% striped, 33% mirrored and 33% wasted (in the mirror). In your case, you would have about 96GB of fast disk, and about 96GB of "safe" disk, instead of your current 290GB of fast disk. It would be up to you to determine what goes in the "safe" partition and what goes in "fast" partition. Is that what you were asking for? I started with something like this and pretty quickly decided I needed "safe" more than "fast", everywhere. Maybe if you split them in half instead (resulting in 50% striped, 25% mirrored and 25% wasted) you'll find that you don't need so much speed and space after all and can then easily mirror the other half later, resulting in two equal sized mirrors. Stephen. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 5 04:40:45 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C351616A4CE for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 04:40:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from april.chuckr.org (april.chuckr.org [66.92.151.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8381043D6E for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 04:40:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from [66.92.151.195] (july.chuckr.org [66.92.151.195]) by april.chuckr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92682120D2; Wed, 4 May 2005 23:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42798FE8.30802@chuckr.org> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 03:15:52 +0000 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050316) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen McKay References: <4272AD64.3040001@chuckr.org> <200505050246.j452kqqZ006459@dungeon.home> In-Reply-To: <200505050246.j452kqqZ006459@dungeon.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bragging rights X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 04:40:45 -0000 Stephen McKay wrote: > On Friday, 29th April 2005, Chuck Robey wrote: > > >>The disks are very well worth noting. Three of them, organized into the >>boot section and the home section. The boot section is a 35G scsi, but >>it's 15K rpm rotation rate, which means it's blazing. This would be >>fast enough on it's own, but it's not on it's own. Tell me if you think >>it's the neatest, but I don't think so. My own encomium is given to the > > > Thank you for teaching me a new word. "Encomium" is not commonly used, > to say the least. :-) > > >>home section, which is formed from two 145G scsi disks. They are each >>only 10K rotation rate (faster than the fastest IDE, anyhow), but each >>one has it's own independent scsi bus, so that the fast that they're >>hooked together in a striped access via vinum means (in effect) I have a >>290G drive that's, I dunno, I have to get to test, but damned fast, let >>me tell you! > > > Personally, I would have mirrored the data disks instead of striping them. > Much slower, yes, but I'm tired of losing data when disks die. Even if > you have recent backups they are never recent enough to restore everything. > And I'm fairly certain that you're right on this. I'm too busy right this minute to give the project enough research to get it right ... I have two disks, each 145G, and which I wouldn't mind giving up up to 1/3 of the space, if I could, to reliability, I really want the speed, and I would NOT give up the entire disk, I don't need that sort of reliabilty, I just don't. So, would you mind tellme, what do you think I ought to do? > >>I'm very very proud of this system, Can you see why? > > > I'm pretty proud of my stuff too, but that's because I've made a pile of > cast-off junk work, sometimes in unlikely configurations. Are any of you > still using ISA bus scsi cards? I thought not! At least I've retired my > thin coax ethernet... > > Stephen. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 5 17:36:34 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3066C16A4CE for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 17:36:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from april.chuckr.org (april.chuckr.org [66.92.151.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D567643D81 for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 17:36:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from [66.92.151.195] (july.chuckr.org [66.92.151.195]) by april.chuckr.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E24911F96; Thu, 5 May 2005 13:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <427A592A.9070509@chuckr.org> Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 17:34:34 +0000 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050316) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen McKay References: <4272AD64.3040001@chuckr.org> <200505050246.j452kqqZ006459@dungeon.home> <42798FE8.30802@chuckr.org> <200505050346.j453ks61006808@dungeon.home> In-Reply-To: <200505050346.j453ks61006808@dungeon.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: FreeBSD-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: bragging rights X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 17:36:34 -0000 Stephen McKay wrote: > On Thursday, 5th May 2005, Chuck Robey wrote: > > >>Stephen McKay wrote: >> >>And I'm fairly certain that you're right on this. I'm too busy right >>this minute to give the project enough research to get it right ... I >>have two disks, each 145G, and which I wouldn't mind giving up up to 1/3 >>of the space, if I could, to reliability, I really want the speed, and I >>would NOT give up the entire disk, I don't need that sort of reliabilty, >>I just don't. So, would you mind tellme, what do you think I ought to do? > > > Hmm. If you split each disk at the 1/3 point and mirror 2/3 of each disk, > you end up with 66% of the disk space usable: 33% striped, 33% mirrored and > 33% wasted (in the mirror). In your case, you would have about 96GB > of fast disk, and about 96GB of "safe" disk, instead of your current > 290GB of fast disk. It would be up to you to determine what goes in > the "safe" partition and what goes in "fast" partition. > > Is that what you were asking for? I started with something like this > and pretty quickly decided I needed "safe" more than "fast", everywhere. > > Maybe if you split them in half instead (resulting in 50% striped, 25% > mirrored and 25% wasted) you'll find that you don't need so much speed > and space after all and can then easily mirror the other half later, > resulting in two equal sized mirrors. I like this quite a bit, you're going to have to flag me down if I get too garrulous, a discussion like this is exactly my cup of tea. Anyhow, breaking up one single disk area into two areas is something I basically dislke, because I have found having a single area to be very very useful, in unpredictable circumstances, but often enough so that I wouldn't give it up without a stronger reason. What I was saying, if the resulting disk area were to devolve down to as little as the vague area of about 200G (from the current 290G), if this would result in markedly greater reliability, but without too great a loss of speed, I would just jump at the chance to do that. BUT if I were to lose a great deal of speed, I would duck out. If I did it, and it didn't result in really greater reliability, I wouldn't consider it a good deal either. What I *think* I have now is the twpp disks, 145G each, striped together so that both disks are accessed in parallel for data. I set it up so that each disk is on a separate controller bus (dual scsi controller) so that it would maximize the transfer rate, and hopefully result in double the effective transfer rate, and as far as rotation rate controls transfer rate, double the efective rotation rate (no change in access times, too bad) so that the effective rotation rate rises from 10K to 20K, as it affects transfer rate. On scsi3 ultra160 disks, this seems a good thing. You've seen the dump from my disks (from vinum) right? Do I have the setup I describe? If not, ok, what do I do to get it? > > Stephen. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 6 10:24:23 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09ABC16A4CE for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:24:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACA443D7D for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:24:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fteg@london.com) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.9.180])B297418001CD for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:24:22 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.49) by wfilter.us4.outblaze.com; 6 May 2005 10:24:22 -0000 Received: by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A309C4BEAD; Fri, 6 May 2005 10:24:22 +0000 (GMT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from [213.187.181.70] by ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for fteg@london.com; Fri, 06 May 2005 05:24:22 -0500 From: "Fafa Hafiz Krantz" To: questions@freebsd.org, chat@freebsd.org, advocacy@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 05:24:22 -0500 X-Originating-Ip: 213.187.181.70 X-Originating-Server: ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20050506102422.A309C4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Subject: Want a logo competition? Do it properly. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:24:23 -0000 Hey! I believe that the FreeBSD Project -- representing an open and democratic rule and not a totalitarian power -- should allow its users to decide what logo would be best suited. Hence, it would be in the best interest for the future of this project to put all logo submissions up for public display. This display should be complimented by a voting system. It is very important to get things right from the start. Look at the NetBSD Project and their new logo for instance. The public expressed great discontent about it, but only after the logo had sunken deep into the cycles of production and the mentalities of its contributors. Even though designers do this for free (and I am sure most act out of their love for the system and not because of the reward), the framework of their profession should still apply. That is, a contract protecting their rights from malicious intentions. The FreeBSD Project should acknowledge that the elected designer is entitled some say in the redesign of FreeBSD's website. Its coders would most likely not know the first thing about design, and hence compromise FreeBSD's image and its potential as conceived by the designer. If the website design also should be staged as a competition, it would be in the best interest of the project to let the identity designer cooperate with the website designer on the final outcome. We all want what is best for FreeBSD. Having said that, there should be no reason to fight over this. A working design contract in need of modification: http://www.aiga.org/resources/Content/1/4/6/documents/AIGA_contract.pdf -- Fafa Hafiz Krantz Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.no Enlightened @ http://www.home.no/barbershop/smart/sharon.pdf --=20 ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 6 15:56:44 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E3516A4D4; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:56:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from pilchuck.reedmedia.net (pilchuck.reedmedia.net [209.166.74.74]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4F543D45; Fri, 6 May 2005 15:56:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from reed@reedmedia.net) Received: from reed by pilchuck.reedmedia.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 1DU5BY-0000jb-00; Fri, 06 May 2005 08:56:16 -0700 Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 08:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jeremy C. Reed" To: Fafa Hafiz Krantz In-Reply-To: <20050506102422.A309C4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Want a logo competition? Do it properly. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 15:56:44 -0000 On Fri, 6 May 2005, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: > It is very important to get things right from the start. Look at > the NetBSD Project and their new logo for instance. The public > expressed great discontent about it, but only after the logo had > sunken deep into the cycles of production and the mentalities > of its contributors. As someone behind the scenes, I want to point out that we had many private comments sent to us about how they liked the new NetBSD logo. And most people don't take the time to publicly comment when they like something. I wonder if there is any research that shows that public complaints are heard more often even though privately the complaints are less (in comparison). (Sort of like the skewed polls in the USA presidential elections.) Jeremy C. Reed open source, Unix, *BSD, Linux training http://www.pugetsoundtechnology.com/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 6 21:07:15 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDA8D16A4D4 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 21:07:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.205]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B9A243D99 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 21:07:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from tomasq@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 34so1030137nzf for ; Fri, 06 May 2005 14:07:11 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q0v5GRaEZMF8HFlXkdKR2JEywRvONd5A0mCNZmN6e9Eqccna1zaEntXqFsE+UzTfCp2jpNinSwT/08iHvyc7KEIhL/AgzpqTIjSAvzE6Qys0Nd11kHTniObab8tlDXnp1mWkhiusu51gAsO3tjASLERE22si8GEPmlCKiD6MlXs= Received: by 10.36.12.2 with SMTP id 2mr846198nzl; Fri, 06 May 2005 14:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.2.19 with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2005 14:07:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9e46c99e050506140757082176@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 17:07:11 -0400 From: Tomas Quintero To: Fafa Hafiz Krantz In-Reply-To: <20050506102422.A309C4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050506102422.A309C4BEAD@ws1-1.us4.outblaze.com> cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: chat@freebsd.org cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Want a logo competition? Do it properly. X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Tomas Quintero List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 21:07:15 -0000 On 5/6/05, Fafa Hafiz Krantz wrote: >=20 > Hey! >=20 > I believe that the FreeBSD Project -- representing an open and > democratic rule and not a totalitarian power -- should allow its > users to decide what logo would be best suited. Hence, it would > be in the best interest for the future of this project to put > all logo submissions up for public display. This display should > be complimented by a voting system. >=20 > It is very important to get things right from the start. Look at > the NetBSD Project and their new logo for instance. The public > expressed great discontent about it, but only after the logo had > sunken deep into the cycles of production and the mentalities > of its contributors. >=20 > Even though designers do this for free (and I am sure most act > out of their love for the system and not because of the reward), > the framework of their profession should still apply. That is, a > contract protecting their rights from malicious intentions. >=20 > The FreeBSD Project should acknowledge that the elected designer > is entitled some say in the redesign of FreeBSD's website. Its > coders would most likely not know the first thing about design, > and hence compromise FreeBSD's image and its potential as > conceived by the designer. If the website design also should be > staged as a competition, it would be in the best interest of the > project to let the identity designer cooperate with the website > designer on the final outcome. >=20 > We all want what is best for FreeBSD. > Having said that, there should be no reason to fight over this. >=20 > A working design contract in need of modification: > http://www.aiga.org/resources/Content/1/4/6/documents/AIGA_contract.pdf >=20 > -- >=20 > Fafa Hafiz Krantz > Research Designer @ http://www.bleed.no > Enlightened @ http://www.home.no/barbershop/smart/sharon.pdf http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=3Dfreebsd-questions&m=3D111537599232346&w= =3D2 I would refer you to this address Fafa, prior to posting on the lists continually. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=3D111537605900001&r=3D1&w=3D2 Perhaps that one, for the entire story. --=20 -Tomas Quintero