From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Oct 2 21:09:59 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F5C116A41F for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:09:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: from tara.freenix.org (keltia.freenix.org [82.224.56.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98FE43D45 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 21:09:58 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by tara.freenix.org (Postfix/TLS, from userid 101) id 366912E5C; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:09:57 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 23:09:57 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051002210957.GA82443@tara.freenix.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: MacOS X / PowerBook G4 - FreeBSD 5.0 / 2x PIII/800 SMP User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: BitKeeper considered harmful X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:09:59 -0000 I don't know if anyone around here is using BK or know Larry McVoy or has any friend/relation who does but here is yet another reason to despise him and avoid BK at all costs: I've always avoided BK in the past for many reasons (the license being the primary one) but now, I'm going into a more active opponent mode. Mercurial is a very interesting product, probably one of the possible BK killers and I've been using it for 4 months now. I'd say that even the strongest proponent of capitalism would at least cringe at this lame attempt to stiffle free competition. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 03:54:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D486D16A445 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 03:54:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F5243D45 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 03:54:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j933sNck054002; Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:54:24 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <4340AB69.9000209@daleco.biz> Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 22:54:17 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050923 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ollivier Robert References: <20051002210957.GA82443@tara.freenix.org> In-Reply-To: <20051002210957.GA82443@tara.freenix.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BitKeeper considered harmful X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:54:29 -0000 Ollivier Robert wrote: >I don't know if anyone around here is using BK or know Larry McVoy or has >any friend/relation who does but here is yet another reason to despise him >and avoid BK at all costs: > > > >I've always avoided BK in the past for many reasons (the license being the >primary one) but now, I'm going into a more active opponent mode. >Mercurial is a very interesting product, probably one of the possible BK >killers and I've been using it for 4 months now. > >I'd say that even the strongest proponent of capitalism would at least >cringe at this lame attempt to stiffle free competition. > > Hrm, perhaps. One interesting question: if it's commercial code, it's proprietary, right? And so how exactly is said developer using BK's commercial code if it's not available to him? If he has signed a NDA, that's a different issue, of course. IANAL, but that sounds a tad like libel or slander or something similar. Perhaps pistols at 30 paces? ;-) ---KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 07:52:44 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4809416A41F for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:52:44 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: from tara.freenix.org (keltia.freenix.org [82.224.56.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B175143D53 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:52:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by tara.freenix.org (Postfix/TLS, from userid 101) id 55C882E5C; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:52:42 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 09:52:42 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051003075242.GA89204@tara.freenix.org> Mail-Followup-To: chat@freebsd.org References: <20051002210957.GA82443@tara.freenix.org> <4340AB69.9000209@daleco.biz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4340AB69.9000209@daleco.biz> X-Operating-System: MacOS X / PowerBook G4 - FreeBSD 5.0 / 2x PIII/800 SMP User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Cc: Subject: Re: BitKeeper considered harmful X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 07:52:44 -0000 According to Kevin Kinsey: > Hrm, perhaps. One interesting question: if it's commercial code, it's > proprietary, right? And so how exactly is said developer using BK's > commercial code if it's not available to him? If he has signed a NDA, He is using the binary to handle his projects, stored in a BK repository. I don't think he has access to BK source code (that was removed years ago from BM's site). BM is afraid he might try to find some internal information about BK, that's all. BM is now so unsure that they can keep their technical advance (ha !) that they try to block the competition. > that's a different issue, of course. No need for an NDA, just a commercial license which doesn't have the « don't use BK to write a competitor » entry BTW so McVoy is really lame. -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 10:08:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEC5416A41F for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:08:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Received: from evil.evildomain.org (adsl-68-123-226-91.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net [68.123.226.91]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA3E43D46 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:08:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (Valect@[192.168.1.7]) by evil.evildomain.org (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j93A8TH3021572 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 03:08:29 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Message-ID: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:08:41 -0700 From: Aaron Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 10:08:42 -0000 Any recomendations on good spam filters? From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 16:42:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B624916A41F for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:42:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.202]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE3F43D45 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:42:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so282272nzd for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=V3D94s1EoSTI8PUVlcOuVil7yaarUULOxeeo8SodNCtkwIwTXPMAJkVfZZgAyYYDn++80RNbyEhk347sxjeYe3qf2DZ3UZUJfC6zpIa/PzFCEeXnwUt46SRpx11wotLQVuuzy/7oXVs9U5zHtBO+zo1vbo3q3QEmi/KqncRcmkE= Received: by 10.37.12.1 with SMTP id p1mr328145nzi; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smogmonster.local ( [68.35.114.183]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 34sm7444669nza.2005.10.03.09.42.19; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:42:07 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> In-Reply-To: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510031042.12468.krinklyfig@gmail.com> Cc: Aaron Holmes , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:42:24 -0000 On Mon 3 Oct 05 04:08, Aaron Holmes wrote: > Any recomendations on good spam filters? SpamAssassin, which is actually a combination of anti-spam programs/filters: /usr/ports/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin I have had great success with it using Bayes, Razor2, Pyzor, DCC, and the URI RBL checks. I have recently added SPF and DomainKeys. Note that the licenses for some of these are commercial or non-free, but that mainly applies to commercial use. If you're a home or non-commercial user, you can enable them, but you have to do it manually with the .pre files in /usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin Also note that Bayes is only effective with proper training, so you should have a good sample of actual spam you receive. If not, it will take a while for Bayes to learn enough to be utilized. I get no false positives and almost no missed spam (well over 99% accuracy), but I am not running it on a multi-user mail system, though I do use it for multiple addresses. See the Wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 16:42:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32D016A420 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:42:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.201]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFF9E43D46 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 16:42:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from krinklyfig@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id z31so282271nzd for ; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:cc:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id; b=V3D94s1EoSTI8PUVlcOuVil7yaarUULOxeeo8SodNCtkwIwTXPMAJkVfZZgAyYYDn++80RNbyEhk347sxjeYe3qf2DZ3UZUJfC6zpIa/PzFCEeXnwUt46SRpx11wotLQVuuzy/7oXVs9U5zHtBO+zo1vbo3q3QEmi/KqncRcmkE= Received: by 10.37.12.1 with SMTP id p1mr328145nzi; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:42:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smogmonster.local ( [68.35.114.183]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 34sm7444669nza.2005.10.03.09.42.19; Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:42:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Tinnin To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:42:07 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> In-Reply-To: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510031042.12468.krinklyfig@gmail.com> Cc: Aaron Holmes , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 16:42:24 -0000 On Mon 3 Oct 05 04:08, Aaron Holmes wrote: > Any recomendations on good spam filters? SpamAssassin, which is actually a combination of anti-spam programs/filters: /usr/ports/mail/p5-Mail-SpamAssassin I have had great success with it using Bayes, Razor2, Pyzor, DCC, and the URI RBL checks. I have recently added SPF and DomainKeys. Note that the licenses for some of these are commercial or non-free, but that mainly applies to commercial use. If you're a home or non-commercial user, you can enable them, but you have to do it manually with the .pre files in /usr/local/etc/mail/spamassassin Also note that Bayes is only effective with proper training, so you should have a good sample of actual spam you receive. If not, it will take a while for Bayes to learn enough to be utilized. I get no false positives and almost no missed spam (well over 99% accuracy), but I am not running it on a multi-user mail system, though I do use it for multiple addresses. See the Wiki: http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ - jt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 20:28:34 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A08B016A41F for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:28:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9243643D46 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 20:28:32 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 15136 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2005 20:28:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 20:28:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 16990 invoked by uid 89); 3 Oct 2005 20:28:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 3 Oct 2005 20:28:30 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95C03115F6; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:28:29 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:28:29 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Aaron Holmes Message-ID: <20051003232829.56d753ea@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.12 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 20:28:34 -0000 On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 03:08:41 -0700 Aaron Holmes wrote: > Any recomendations on good spam filters? Dspam:] mail/dspam mail/dspam-devel Sufficient to say it's more accurate that spam assassin,with less resources and less work for the admin -- IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 21:02:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B1816A41F for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:02:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FD843D48 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:02:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2EC76156; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:02:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from xps.des.no (des.no [80.203.228.37]) by tim.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4CD6152; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:02:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: by xps.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 16EB333C1D; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:02:36 +0200 (CEST) To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> <20051003232829.56d753ea@it.buh.tecnik93.com> From: des@des.no (=?iso-8859-1?q?Dag-Erling_Sm=F8rgrav?=) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:02:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20051003232829.56d753ea@it.buh.tecnik93.com> (Ion-Mihai Tetcu's message of "Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:28:29 +0300") Message-ID: <86mzlqiaab.fsf@xps.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110002 (No Gnus v0.2) Emacs/21.3 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Tests: ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 X-Spam-Learn: ham X-Spam-Score: -5.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on tim.des.no Cc: Aaron Holmes , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:02:42 -0000 Ion-Mihai Tetcu writes: > Aaron Holmes wrote: > > Any recomendations on good spam filters? > Dspam [is] more accurate that spam assassin,with less resources and > less work for the admin Dspam is designed to work as a local delivery agent; all email addresses must map to a local user, and it delivers mail to an mbox file (though there are patches to make it work with maildir). For more complex setups (IMAP server, virtual mailboxes / domains), SpamAssassin is still the only practical alternative. DES --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Oct 3 21:08:05 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2566D16A41F for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:08:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E192C43D45 for ; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 21:08:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [70.30.70.180]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BBF1A3C28; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 14:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 64A445146E; Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:08:03 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: Aaron Holmes Message-ID: <20051003210803.GA81747@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 21:08:05 -0000 --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Oct 03, 2005 at 03:08:41AM -0700, Aaron Holmes wrote: > Any recomendations on good spam filters? IMO, you can't beat bogofilter.. Kris --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDQZ2zWry0BWjoQKURAmyIAKCaCag7BwwJB1VGOAmnS4tpCdxgwgCgsaMI xloBrtfoNo/sfCb+a8A5ccM= =Zczi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 01:48:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B315916A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:48:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ACD6A43D45 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 01:48:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 22273 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 01:48:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 01:48:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 30924 invoked by uid 89); 4 Oct 2005 01:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 01:48:26 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AB57115F6; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:48:25 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:48:22 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: des@des.no (Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?=) Message-ID: <20051004044822.06e66c6a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <86mzlqiaab.fsf@xps.des.no> References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> <20051003232829.56d753ea@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <86mzlqiaab.fsf@xps.des.no> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.12 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Aaron Holmes , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 01:48:30 -0000 On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:02:36 +0200 des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > Ion-Mihai Tetcu writes: > > Aaron Holmes wrote: > > > Any recomendations on good spam filters? > > Dspam [is] more accurate that spam assassin,with less resources and > > less work for the admin >=20 > Dspam is designed to work as a local delivery agent; all email > addresses must map to a local user, and it delivers mail to an mbox > file (though there are patches to make it work with maildir). For > more complex setups (IMAP server, virtual mailboxes / domains), > SpamAssassin is still the only practical alternative. Actually your information is outdated. It works very nice demonized as a content filter (LMTP/SMTP). --=20 IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 02:03:43 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 049E616A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:03:43 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EED9443D45 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 02:03:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 23758 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2005 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 02:03:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 32250 invoked by uid 89); 4 Oct 2005 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 4 Oct 2005 02:03:39 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B84AC115F6; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:03:37 +0300 (EEST) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 05:03:36 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Ion-Mihai Tetcu Message-ID: <20051004050336.75006dc1@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20051004044822.06e66c6a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> <20051003232829.56d753ea@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <86mzlqiaab.fsf@xps.des.no> <20051004044822.06e66c6a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.12 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Dag-Erling =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sm=F8rgrav?= , Aaron Holmes , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 02:03:43 -0000 On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:48:22 +0300 Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:02:36 +0200 > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: >=20 > > Ion-Mihai Tetcu writes: > > > Aaron Holmes wrote: > > > > Any recomendations on good spam filters? > > > Dspam [is] more accurate that spam assassin,with less resources > > > and less work for the admin > >=20 > > Dspam is designed to work as a local delivery agent; all email > > addresses must map to a local user, and it delivers mail to an mbox > > file (though there are patches to make it work with maildir). For > > more complex setups (IMAP server, virtual mailboxes / domains), Just to clarify: We've deployed a solution involving all above a week ago and some months ago I've helped a 40k domains setup for a hosting company. > > SpamAssassin is still the only practical alternative. Moe mature - yes, maybe; more practical - I don't think so. > Actually your information is outdated. > It works very nice demonized as a content filter (LMTP/SMTP). --=20 IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 10:18:27 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5EC16A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:18:27 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: from tara.freenix.org (keltia.freenix.org [82.224.56.155]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AFC843D5A for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:18:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from roberto@keltia.freenix.fr) Received: by tara.freenix.org (Postfix/TLS, from userid 101) id C09522E5F; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:18:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:18:24 +0200 From: Ollivier Robert To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051004101824.GA71733@tara.freenix.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> <20051003210803.GA81747@xor.obsecurity.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051003210803.GA81747@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Operating-System: MacOS X / PowerBook G4 - FreeBSD 5.0 / 2x PIII/800 SMP User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:18:27 -0000 According to Kris Kennaway: > IMO, you can't beat bogofilter.. Seconded although spammers are getting better :-( -- Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto@keltia.freenix.fr Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.9.0: Wed Mar 30 20:11:17 PST 2005 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 10:22:30 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A071616A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:22:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [83.120.8.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BF6443D4C for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:22:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (sdybkv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94AMQWf034985 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:22:27 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id j94AMQMi034984; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:22:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:22:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200510041022.j94AMQMi034984@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20051003210803.GA81747@xor.obsecurity.org> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.5.4-20000523 ("1959") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/4.11-RELEASE (i386)) Cc: Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:22:30 -0000 Kris Kennaway wrote: > Aaron Holmes wrote: > > Any recomendations on good spam filters? > > IMO, you can't beat bogofilter.. I second that. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing Dienstleistungen mit Schwerpunkt FreeBSD: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd Any opinions expressed in this message may be personal to the author and may not necessarily reflect the opinions of secnetix in any way. With Perl you can manipulate text, interact with programs, talk over networks, drive Web pages, perform arbitrary precision arithmetic, and write programs that look like Snoopy swearing. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 10:43:28 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D1616A420 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:43:28 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Received: from evildomain.org (adsl-68-126-3-30.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net [68.126.3.30]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35ACE43D46 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:43:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Received: from [192.168.1.7] ([192.168.1.7]) by evildomain.org (8.13.5/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94AhF7i063019 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 03:43:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Message-ID: <43425CCE.1040002@evildomain.org> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 03:43:26 -0700 From: Aaron Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: spam X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 10:43:28 -0000 speaking of spammers getting better.. they're starting to spam my guest book and other such mediums From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 12:50:26 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E82516A420 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:50:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from ezekiel.daleco.biz (southernuniform.com [66.76.92.18]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1474043D45 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 12:50:25 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Received: from [192.168.2.2] ([69.27.149.254]) by ezekiel.daleco.biz (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j94CoG96064645; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 07:50:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from kdk@daleco.biz) Message-ID: <43427A80.6080202@daleco.biz> Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:50:08 -0500 From: Kevin Kinsey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050923 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aaron Holmes References: <43425CCE.1040002@evildomain.org> In-Reply-To: <43425CCE.1040002@evildomain.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spam X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:50:26 -0000 Aaron Holmes wrote: > speaking of spammers getting better.. they're > starting to spam my guest book and other such mediums They've just started, or you've just started noticing? J/K ... :-) Guestbook, blogs, wikis ... nothing is sacred. Google up on "referer spam" and be enlightened . . . it's a programmer's nightmare .... KDK From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 15:41:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489A516A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:41:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from elvis.mu.org (elvis.mu.org [192.203.228.196]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0966143D46 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 15:41:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kris@obsecurity.org) Received: from obsecurity.dyndns.org (CPE0050040655c8-CM00111ae02aac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com [70.30.70.180]) by elvis.mu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE7BF1A3C1D for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obsecurity.dyndns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C7C9E5130C; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 11:41:53 -0400 From: Kris Kennaway To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20051004154153.GA88274@xor.obsecurity.org> References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> <20051003210803.GA81747@xor.obsecurity.org> <20051004101824.GA71733@tara.freenix.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20051004101824.GA71733@tara.freenix.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:41:56 -0000 --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Oct 04, 2005 at 12:18:24PM +0200, Ollivier Robert wrote: > According to Kris Kennaway: > > IMO, you can't beat bogofilter.. >=20 > Seconded although spammers are getting better :-( I still only get 1-2 let through per week through out of about 2000, which I'm quite satisfied with :-) Kris --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFDQqLBWry0BWjoQKURAm0HAJsHlyRreW7kUIMKJX4Ed2XC5QcnTQCeJ+Aq FGCkOfkiOeQOQmzaO2t9R/c= =Um+Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 16:37:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DE4616A41F for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:37:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leafy7382@gmail.com) Received: from qproxy.gmail.com (qproxy.gmail.com [72.14.204.200]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A69D743D49 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:37:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from leafy7382@gmail.com) Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id e11so456697qba for ; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:37:16 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Cx/W7iwqbezGpTfv1Gpyl55oYVha5gZyAzRD5+GSY6FmgLK0xvzZ7qWJIUnzqjkTt+kGUawZ+wEiQ3kOQN++z8WybniCD+559zN/rBDZ4XuSyAIJAdHm3kO2frJmWdjCGwqCX7xolotE4x+waqsISqytQpRkISc4NgA/o1ryejQ= Received: by 10.65.156.14 with SMTP id i14mr3218000qbo; Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.110.12 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:37:15 +0800 From: Jiawei Ye To: Kevin Kinsey In-Reply-To: <43427A80.6080202@daleco.biz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <43425CCE.1040002@evildomain.org> <43427A80.6080202@daleco.biz> Cc: Aaron Holmes , chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: spam X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jiawei Ye List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:37:17 -0000 On 10/4/05, Kevin Kinsey wrote: > Aaron Holmes wrote: > > > speaking of spammers getting better.. they're > > starting to spam my guest book and other such mediums > > > They've just started, or you've just started noticing? > > J/K ... :-) > > Guestbook, blogs, wikis ... nothing is sacred. Google > up on "referer spam" and be enlightened . . . it's a > programmer's nightmare .... > > KDK I find that using CAPTCHA greatly reduces spam for my own blog commenting system though. Jiawei -- "Without the userland, the kernel is useless." --inspired by The Tao of Programming From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Oct 4 21:59:00 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E791A16A420 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:59:00 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fcash@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from smtp.sd73.bc.ca (mailtest.sd73.bc.ca [142.24.13.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE10743D45 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:58:59 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fcash@sd73.bc.ca) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA938A014E for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:59:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.sd73.bc.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailtest.sd73.bc.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 85772-01-92 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.9] (unknown [192.168.0.9]) by smtp.sd73.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B9E8A00E4 for ; Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:58:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Freddie Cash Organization: School District 73 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:59:01 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.8.2 References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> <20051004044822.06e66c6a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20051004050336.75006dc1@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20051004050336.75006dc1@it.buh.tecnik93.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200510041459.02407.fcash@sd73.bc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at sd73.bc.ca Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:59:01 -0000 On October 3, 2005 07:03 pm, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:48:22 +0300 > Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > > On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:02:36 +0200 > > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > > > Ion-Mihai Tetcu writes: > > > > Aaron Holmes wrote: > > > > > Any recomendations on good spam filters? > > > > Dspam [is] more accurate that spam assassin,with less resources > > > > and less work for the admin > > > Dspam is designed to work as a local delivery agent; all email > > > addresses must map to a local user, and it delivers mail to an > > > mbox file (though there are patches to make it work with > > > maildir). For more complex setups (IMAP server, virtual > > > mailboxes / domains), > Just to clarify: > We've deployed a solution involving all above a week ago and some > months ago I've helped a 40k domains setup for a hosting company. I've just started researching dspam and am looking for ways to integrate=20 it into our mail gateway (FreeBSD 5.x box running Postfix, Amavisd-new,=20 SpamAssassing w/Pyzor and DCC, and ClamAV). The gateway receives mail=20 for 15 domains and roughly 5000 accounts spread across those domains. =20 Handles about 250,000 messages per month, with maybe 35,000 of those=20 being legit. I'll admit, I've only just begun reading through the docs online and=20 just picked up the Ending Spam book authored by the coder behind dspam,=20 so I haven't touched a lot of the info that's out there. But, any pointers toward good documentation or example configs would be=20 greatly appreciated. =2D-=20 =46reddie Cash, CCNT CCLP Helpdesk / Network Support Tech. School District 73 (250) 377-HELP [377-4357] fcash@sd73.bc.ca helpdesk@sd73.bc.ca From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 10:51:15 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D3016A420 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:51:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: from relay.rdsnet.ro (gimli.rdsnet.ro [193.231.236.70]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE7CE43D48 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:51:14 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from itetcu@people.tecnik93.com) Received: (qmail 21313 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2005 10:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.rdsnet.ro) (62.231.74.130) by smtp1-133.rdsnet.ro with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 10:51:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 89); 5 Oct 2005 10:51:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO it.buh.tecnik93.com) (81.196.204.98) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Oct 2005 10:51:11 -0000 Received: from it.buh.tecnik93.com (localhost.buh.tecnik93.com [127.0.0.1]) by it.buh.tecnik93.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20E01115F6; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:51:11 +0300 (EEST) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:51:10 +0300 From: Ion-Mihai Tetcu To: Freddie Cash Message-ID: <20051005135110.4a119a90@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <200510041459.02407.fcash@sd73.bc.ca> References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> <20051004044822.06e66c6a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20051004050336.75006dc1@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <200510041459.02407.fcash@sd73.bc.ca> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.9.12 (GTK+ 2.6.8; i386-portbld-freebsd5.4) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 10:51:15 -0000 On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:59:01 -0700 Freddie Cash wrote: > On October 3, 2005 07:03 pm, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > > On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:48:22 +0300 > > Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: > > > On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:02:36 +0200 >=20 > > > des@des.no (Dag-Erling Sm=F8rgrav) wrote: > > > > Ion-Mihai Tetcu writes: > > > > > Aaron Holmes wrote: > > > > > > Any recomendations on good spam filters? >=20 > > > > > Dspam [is] more accurate that spam assassin,with less > > > > > resources and less work for the admin >=20 > > > > Dspam is designed to work as a local delivery agent; all email > > > > addresses must map to a local user, and it delivers mail to an > > > > mbox file (though there are patches to make it work with > > > > maildir). For more complex setups (IMAP server, virtual > > > > mailboxes / domains), >=20 > > Just to clarify: > > We've deployed a solution involving all above a week ago and some > > months ago I've helped a 40k domains setup for a hosting company. >=20 > I've just started researching dspam and am looking for ways to > integrate it into our mail gateway (FreeBSD 5.x box running Postfix, > Amavisd-new, SpamAssassing w/Pyzor and DCC, and ClamAV). The gateway > receives mail for 15 domains and roughly 5000 accounts spread across > those domains. Handles about 250,000 messages per month, with maybe > 35,000 of those being legit. >=20 > I'll admit, I've only just begun reading through the docs online and=20 > just picked up the Ending Spam book authored by the coder behind > dspam, so I haven't touched a lot of the info that's out there. >=20 > But, any pointers toward good documentation or example configs would > be greatly appreciated. Tonni's www.billy.demon.nl/Postfix-amavisd-new-dspam.html comes in mind. You'll probably want to use some type of groups to reduce db load and learn time. You could have a postfix-dspam-clam only setup. You could also use the sbl joz is providing (both client and server ports are WIP). Drop me an email with more info about your actual setup if you want. --=20 IOnut Unregistered ;) FreeBSD "user" "Intellectual Property" is nowhere near as valuable as "Intellect" From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 11:24:41 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D53C716A41F for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:24:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Received: from evildomain.org (adsl-68-127-38-225.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net [68.127.38.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7525F43D48 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:24:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (Valect@[192.168.1.7]) by evildomain.org (8.13.5/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j95BOOsQ082802 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 04:24:24 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from evil@evildomain.org) Message-ID: <4343B7FE.7030308@evildomain.org> Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 04:24:46 -0700 From: Aaron Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <43410329.2080902@evildomain.org> <20051004044822.06e66c6a@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <20051004050336.75006dc1@it.buh.tecnik93.com> <200510041459.02407.fcash@sd73.bc.ca> <20051005135110.4a119a90@it.buh.tecnik93.com> In-Reply-To: <20051005135110.4a119a90@it.buh.tecnik93.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: Spam filters X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:24:42 -0000 Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: >On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 14:59:01 -0700 >Freddie Cash wrote: > > > >>On October 3, 2005 07:03 pm, Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: >> >> >>>On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 04:48:22 +0300 >>>Ion-Mihai Tetcu wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:02:36 +0200 >>>> >>>> >>>>des@des.no (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Ion-Mihai Tetcu writes: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Aaron Holmes wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Any recomendations on good spam filters? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>Dspam [is] more accurate that spam assassin,with less >>>>>>resources and less work for the admin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>Dspam is designed to work as a local delivery agent; all email >>>>>addresses must map to a local user, and it delivers mail to an >>>>>mbox file (though there are patches to make it work with >>>>>maildir). For more complex setups (IMAP server, virtual >>>>>mailboxes / domains), >>>>> >>>>> >>>Just to clarify: >>>We've deployed a solution involving all above a week ago and some >>>months ago I've helped a 40k domains setup for a hosting company. >>> >>> >>I've just started researching dspam and am looking for ways to >>integrate it into our mail gateway (FreeBSD 5.x box running Postfix, >>Amavisd-new, SpamAssassing w/Pyzor and DCC, and ClamAV). The gateway >>receives mail for 15 domains and roughly 5000 accounts spread across >>those domains. Handles about 250,000 messages per month, with maybe >>35,000 of those being legit. >> >>I'll admit, I've only just begun reading through the docs online and >>just picked up the Ending Spam book authored by the coder behind >>dspam, so I haven't touched a lot of the info that's out there. >> >>But, any pointers toward good documentation or example configs would >>be greatly appreciated. >> >> > >Tonni's www.billy.demon.nl/Postfix-amavisd-new-dspam.html comes in mind. > >You'll probably want to use some type of groups to reduce db load and >learn time. You could have a postfix-dspam-clam only setup. You could >also use the sbl joz is providing (both client and server ports are >WIP). > >Drop me an email with more info about your actual setup if you want. > > > > How exactly does spamassassin work? I haven't been able to find very clear documentation on it, and I'm rather new to the anti-spam world. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 5 19:03:10 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A6916A41F for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:03:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dragoninterrupted@yahoo.com) Received: from web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.201.225]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8171743D46 for ; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 19:03:09 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dragoninterrupted@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 48950 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Oct 2005 19:03:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=VdqGRFyx+dSHUNoojQ/DjxMXUK9KvGbcc335NdT8NdP7u2vi2AWiyEdhSlB9SI+NsjoluUx/lPKDHV4GilKDUawt4TtXd61JXdVdQOqAnENGnspVnvEr39hk+PCE7hC7+VZ5IW4X5HgFQBokFuS4i533mWorZgXG3ZmR+EFsh+s= ; Message-ID: <20051005190309.48948.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [69.175.146.28] by web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 12:03:08 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) From: James S Blankenship To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Just an intro to the community - hope that's ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 19:03:10 -0000 Hi, I'm new to BSD's. I have been using Linux after several failed attempts to configure FBSD back in 2001. I'm going to work with DesktopBSD for a bit to familiarize myself with BSD/Unix. I'd like to learn as much as possible about FBSD and Unix in general, and I'm not really a techie, so it's kind of difficult for me. I don't have anyone nearby who can help me out with BSD issues. I guess you could call me a frustrated techie :0) Best regards, James __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 00:21:42 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC18416A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:21:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: from opusnet.com (mail.opusnet.com [209.210.200.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3C643D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:21:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: from localhost.localhost [70.98.246.232] by opusnet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-8.05) id AE12884A0090; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:21:38 -0700 Received: from localhost.localhost (localhost.localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localhost (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j960PDGg000402; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:25:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) Received: (from jojo@localhost) by localhost.localhost (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j960P8FJ000401; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 17:25:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from garys@opusnet.com) To: James S Blankenship References: <20051005190309.48948.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: garys@opusnet.com (Gary W. Swearingen) Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:25:08 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20051005190309.48948.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (James S. Blankenship's message of "Wed, 5 Oct 2005 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.17 (Jumbo Shrimp, berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just an intro to the community - hope that's ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:21:42 -0000 James S Blankenship writes: > 2001. I'm going to work with DesktopBSD for a bit to > familiarize myself with BSD/Unix. I'd like to learn > as much as possible about FBSD and Unix in general, Get yourself some books. Old ones will do fine. There are a few BSD ones but Linux or Unix will do OK too. They are useful mostly for the basic UNIX concepts, which aren't real well covered by OS docs. I had an obsolecent "The Complete FreeBSD" when learning FreeBSD which was a great help, especially because it's good to have the index of a thick book around when learning. I don't know anything about DesktopBSD, but I'm guessing it's best to use FreeBSD because of the FreeBSD Handbook, which has huge amount of relevant info that you can learn from. If you want a great book to learn about the traditional "UNIX philosophy" and culture, but which is very up-do-date too, I highly recommend "The Art Of UNIX Programming" by Eric S. Raymond (Addison-Wesley). It might be too technical for you, so look at it before buying, but it's all at a rather high level and really lets you get a feel for what was/is/should be in the minds of UNIX developers and gives a lot of history too. Good luck. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 00:23:24 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2791116A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:23:24 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phummers@iname.com) Received: from pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.61]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4244A43D49 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 00:23:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from phummers@iname.com) Received: from 0-1pool58-4.nas15.charlotte2.nc.us.da.qwest.net ([63.232.58.4]) by pop-gadwall.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1ENJXc-0004pv-00; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 20:23:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:23:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hummers X-X-Sender: phummers@whitebox.bsd To: James S Blankenship In-Reply-To: <20051005190309.48948.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20051005201229.W1444@whitebox.bsd> References: <20051005190309.48948.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just an intro to the community - hope that's ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 00:23:24 -0000 On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, James S Blankenship wrote: > I'm new to BSD's. I have been using Linux after > several failed attempts to configure FBSD back in > 2001. I'm going to work with DesktopBSD for a bit to > familiarize myself with BSD/Unix. I'd like to learn > as much as possible about FBSD and Unix in general, > and I'm not really a techie, so it's kind of difficult > for me. I don't have anyone nearby who can help me > out with BSD issues. I guess you could call me a > frustrated techie :0) Greetings and welcome. I'm a desktop user, who has tried Linux and found typical installs too much like Windows or Macintosh with too much going on under the hood that couldn't be separated out and understood. FreeBSD is like Zen -- very understandable and rational; once the learning curve is mounted and a few concepts understood, it's very simple. Also pretty DIY. (If, like me, you avoid KDE and Gnome, which can add layers of complications even to *BSD.) Let me recommend, if you haven't found them, Dru Lavigne's articles on O'Reilly's BSD DevCenter, entitled FreeBSD Basics. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/ct/15 Two of these articles especially might be especially useful to you: "FreeBSD for Linux Users" at http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/11/11/FreeBSD_Basics.html and "More FreeBSD for Linux Users" at http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/01/13/FreeBSD_Basics.html ~Peter Hummers == WHAT'S SHAKIN' ON THE OUTER BANKS? Peter Hummers covers entertainment events on, and about, the Outer Banks of North Carolina on 'Outer Banks Onstage' http://obxonstage.blogspot.com From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 6 05:05:13 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFFB16A41F for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:05:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterclutton@gmail.com) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.195]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3534843D45 for ; Thu, 6 Oct 2005 05:05:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from peterclutton@gmail.com) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id t5so207690wxc for ; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:05:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Bcun6kU4ECxmZcpWr60A7OCcau4zsYcyhe5Zb4V9xZa1RhTdtZeOQekUAH975W9b//JIswmvLEPd7gn57uQ9/FRU24nnjfkGw9iJcNUplhXuhF8TsztlL2NeD4V2O91zxP31q6tSAnJwSY4mTqIMXo9ioLOi7/Iw1cXEO62YP18= Received: by 10.70.100.9 with SMTP id x9mr918061wxb; Wed, 05 Oct 2005 22:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.91.17 with HTTP; Wed, 5 Oct 2005 22:05:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <57416b300510052205s66091230we58a1ebf31880f11@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 15:05:12 +1000 From: Peter Clutton To: Peter Hummers In-Reply-To: <20051005201229.W1444@whitebox.bsd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051005190309.48948.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20051005201229.W1444@whitebox.bsd> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, James S Blankenship Subject: Re: Just an intro to the community - hope that's ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Peter Clutton List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 05:05:13 -0000 On 10/6/05, Peter Hummers wrote: > On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, James S Blankenship wrote: > > > I'm new to BSD's. I have been using Linux after > > several failed attempts to configure FBSD back in > > 2001. I'm going to work with DesktopBSD for a bit to > > familiarize myself with BSD/Unix. I'd like to learn > > as much as possible about FBSD and Unix in general, > > and I'm not really a techie, so it's kind of difficult > > for me. I don't have anyone nearby who can help me > > out with BSD issues. I guess you could call me a > > frustrated techie :0) Welcome, and congrats for making the jump! *BSD Rocks! I'll add to the great recomendations above, a general unix text: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0130206016/102-8346184-2108114?v=3Dglance&= n=3D283155&n=3D507846&s=3Dbooks&v=3Dglance which covers all Unix in great depth. And maybe start off with something like http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0596002610/102-8346184-2108114?v=3Dglance&= n=3D283155&s=3Dbooks&v=3Dglance which would be a good general introduction. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 7 19:12:22 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130EE16A420 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:12:22 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl) Received: from smtp19.wxs.nl (smtp19.wxs.nl [195.121.6.15]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9921B43D45 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 19:12:21 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl) Received: from smtp.planet.nl (ip51cc8423.speed.planet.nl [81.204.132.35]) by smtp19.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IO000GT680JGV@smtp19.wxs.nl> for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:12:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Alex.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.planet.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j97JCJ8I053428; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:12:19 +0200 Received: (from akruijff@localhost) by Alex.lan (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id j97JCJL0053423; Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:12:19 +0200 Content-return: prohibited Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 21:12:18 +0200 From: Alex de Kruijff In-reply-to: <20051005190309.48948.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: James S Blankenship Message-id: <20051007191218.GA73519@Alex.lan> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i References: <20051005190309.48948.qmail@web30212.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Authentication-warning: Alex.lan: akruijff set sender to freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl using -f Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Just an intro to the community - hope that's ok X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd@akruijff.dds.nl List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 19:12:22 -0000 On Wed, Oct 05, 2005 at 12:03:08PM -0700, James S Blankenship wrote: > Hi, > > I'm new to BSD's. I have been using Linux after > several failed attempts to configure FBSD back in > 2001. I'm going to work with DesktopBSD for a bit to > familiarize myself with BSD/Unix. I'd like to learn > as much as possible about FBSD and Unix in general, > and I'm not really a techie, so it's kind of difficult > for me. I don't have anyone nearby who can help me > out with BSD issues. I guess you could call me a > frustrated techie :0) You might like to read the install section in the handbook. This can be on the www.freebsd.org site under shortcuts. -- Alex Please copy the original recipients, otherwise I may not read your reply. Howto's based on my ppersonal use, including information about setting up a firewall and creating traffic graphs with MRTG http://www.kruijff.org/alex/FreeBSD/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 00:17:37 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8329F16A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:17:37 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from m21.unixathome.org (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1152743D6B for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:17:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [205.150.199.217]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6F7FC374 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.unixathome.org ([205.150.199.217]) by localhost (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09939-04 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [70.26.229.230]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5665FBFB0 for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E81103D3B for ; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 20:17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 20:17:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4346D7DB.11418.63067AF6@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at unixathome.org Subject: FreshPorts personal newsfeeds X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:17:37 -0000 I'm working on adding the ability to have personal news feeds on FreshPorts. In short, you'll be able to customize a news feed by selecting the ports you want included, nothing else. If you already use FreshPorts, you know what a watch list is [if you don't, you should be using it....]. Each watch list will have its own newsfeed. The URL will be something like this: http://www.freshports.org/rss/watch- list.php?token=07c5e534565839f10b536f3ed638be8412602130bb82f95fbb5a682 b5655aa38 That number is unique to your watch list. Why have such a number? I need some way to uniquely idenfity your watch list[s]. You won't need to log into FreshPorts to retrieve your news feed, so the token is needed. I could just use sequential numbers, but that would make it trivial for people to peruse random news feeds. Not that there is nothing personal or identifying in a newsfeed.... The token is random, more or less, and unique to your newsfeed. It's non-trivial to guess, but if you did guess one, big deal, you have a newsfeed. *yawn*. With regards to the token, any ideas, suggestions, comments as to this approach. -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 00:23:07 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5646616A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:23:07 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9434D43D45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 00:23:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from flame.pc (patr530-b121.otenet.gr [212.205.244.129]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j980N1b8030273; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 03:23:02 +0300 Received: from flame.pc (flame [127.0.0.1]) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j980M1gM006786; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 03:22:01 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j980M1rb006785; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 03:22:01 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 03:22:01 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20051008002201.GA6709@flame.pc> References: <4346D7DB.11418.63067AF6@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4346D7DB.11418.63067AF6@localhost> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts personal newsfeeds X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 00:23:07 -0000 On 2005-10-07 20:17, Dan Langille wrote: > I'm working on adding the ability to have personal news feeds on > FreshPorts. In short, you'll be able to customize a news feed by > selecting the ports you want included, nothing else. If you already > use FreshPorts, you know what a watch list is [if you don't, you > should be using it....]. Each watch list will have its own newsfeed. > > The URL will be something like this: > > http://www.freshports.org/rss/watch- > list.php?token=07c5e534565839f10b536f3ed638be8412602130bb82f95fbb5a682b5655aa38 Very cool Dan :) > The token is random, more or less, and unique to your newsfeed. It's > non-trivial to guess, but if you did guess one, big deal, you have a > newsfeed. *yawn*. Which may be _extremely_ useful as a means of sharing 'interesting' feeds with one's friends. Excellent! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 02:02:56 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633A416A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 02:02:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from m21.unixathome.org (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DC243D48 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 02:02:55 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dan@langille.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [205.150.199.217]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8E4C374; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m21.unixathome.org ([205.150.199.217]) by localhost (m21.unixathome.org [205.150.199.217]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15873-01; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bast.unixathome.org (bast.unixathome.org [70.26.229.230]) by m21.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC386BFB0; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wocker (wocker.unixathome.org [10.55.0.99]) by bast.unixathome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85A843D3B; Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:02:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Langille" To: Giorgos Keramidas Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 22:02:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4346F08B.25482.6366E8B1@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20051008002201.GA6709@flame.pc> References: <4346D7DB.11418.63067AF6@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at unixathome.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts personal newsfeeds X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 02:02:56 -0000 On 8 Oct 2005 at 3:22, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > On 2005-10-07 20:17, Dan Langille wrote: > > I'm working on adding the ability to have personal news feeds on > > FreshPorts. In short, you'll be able to customize a news feed by > > selecting the ports you want included, nothing else. If you already > > use FreshPorts, you know what a watch list is [if you don't, you > > should be using it....]. Each watch list will have its own newsfeed. > > > > The URL will be something like this: > > > > http://www.freshports.org/rss/watch- > > list.php?token=07c5e534565839f10b536f3ed638be8412602130bb82f95fbb5a682b5655aa38 > > Very cool Dan :) I just finished some beta coding. If anyone wants to have a sneak peak at personalized news feeds for FreshPorts, go to http://beta.freshports.org/ and get signed in. Then look for the "Personal newsfeeds" link. One newsfeed for each watch list you set up. > > The token is random, more or less, and unique to your newsfeed. It's > > non-trivial to guess, but if you did guess one, big deal, you have a > > newsfeed. *yawn*. > > Which may be _extremely_ useful as a means of sharing 'interesting' > feeds with one's friends. Excellent! There's an idea.... selling off news feeds.... -- Dan Langille : http://www.langille.org/ BSDCan - The Technical BSD Conference - http://www.bsdcan.org/ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Oct 8 02:31:35 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC7716A41F for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 02:31:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from aiolos.otenet.gr (aiolos.otenet.gr [195.170.0.93]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B2B43D45 for ; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 02:31:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: from flame.pc (patr530-b121.otenet.gr [212.205.244.129]) by aiolos.otenet.gr (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j982VUNh032201; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:31:31 +0300 Received: from flame.pc (flame [127.0.0.1]) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j982UUQK012102; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:30:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Received: (from keramida@localhost) by flame.pc (8.13.4/8.13.4/Submit) id j982UUHV012101; Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:30:30 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from keramida@ceid.upatras.gr) Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2005 05:30:30 +0300 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: Dan Langille Message-ID: <20051008023030.GB12061@flame.pc> References: <4346D7DB.11418.63067AF6@localhost> <4346F08B.25482.6366E8B1@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4346F08B.25482.6366E8B1@localhost> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreshPorts personal newsfeeds X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 02:31:35 -0000 On 2005-10-07 22:02, Dan Langille wrote: > On 8 Oct 2005 at 3:22, Giorgos Keramidas wrote: > > On 2005-10-07 20:17, Dan Langille wrote: > > > The token is random, more or less, and unique to your newsfeed. It's > > > non-trivial to guess, but if you did guess one, big deal, you have a > > > newsfeed. *yawn*. > > > > Which may be _extremely_ useful as a means of sharing 'interesting' > > feeds with one's friends. Excellent! > > There's an idea.... selling off news feeds.... Well, selling your work wasn't really something that crossed my mind (that would be extremely unethical, I guess), but I *did* consider something like an RSS based version of Technorati style FreeBSD ports stuff :)