From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 10 01:26:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5A9D16A400 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:26:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.cross@averageadmins.com) Received: from S3.cableone.net (s3.cableone.net [24.116.0.229]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449D143D48 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:26:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.cross@averageadmins.com) Received: from [172.16.0.102] (unverified [24.117.52.220]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 53517432 for ; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:08:31 -0700 Message-ID: <4439B447.1080109@averageadmins.com> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 20:26:31 -0500 From: Jeff Cross User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060402) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 20, in=23, out=0, spam=0 X-External-IP: 24.117.52.220 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Cc: Subject: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:26:35 -0000 I have seen a number of e-mails lately about a petition for having a native Flash Player for the FreeBSD operating system. I have noticed that the flashplayer* plugin has been removed from the ports tree and I understand why. But, what needs to happen to allow FreeBSD users to use the Flash Player plugin? I just saw where Verizon and Adobe have come to an agreement to allow Verizon to put the Flash Player on their mobile phones. http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/biztech/04/06/adobe.verizon.reut/index.html?section=cnn_tech Would it be possible to approach Adobe about getting this kind of agreement for FreeBSD? I mean, their EULA says the software can't be used on the Windows XP Media Center operating system (unless I have misread this, please correct me if I'm wrong). There are a number of laptops coming out now with the Media Center OS on them. Don't you think they run Flash Player on them? I'm not trying to kick a dead horse here. Like I said earlier, I know this has been discussed time and time again. But, I thoroughly enjoy using FreeBSD. I rarely boot in to Windows any more. As much as I hate to admit it, it just feels natural to visit a Flash enabled web site and have it work on FreeBSD. Even though I don't visit that many (on purpose anyway), when I do I like to see what I visited the site to see, even if that happens to be Flash enabled content. And, I'm sure there is more to this than I realize, but isn't the flashplayer plugin running on Linux, even in FreeBSD, due to the Linux Binary Compatibility? I just thought it was worth a shot! :) I also blogged about this so if you'd care to comment on my blog, the URL is: http://www.averageadmins.com/blog/2006/04/09/flash-fragged-from-freebsd/ I'm sure I'm not as smart as most of you guys, and don't claim to be, but I am willing to help! Jeff Cross www.averageadmins.com From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 10 07:35:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40A316A401 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:35:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EAF143D45 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:35:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (localhost.roq.com [127.0.0.1]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2594CD3F; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:36:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.46.101] (ppp166-27.static.internode.on.net [150.101.166.27]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1824E4CD35; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:36:21 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <443A0AC3.9020301@thebeastie.org> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:35:31 +1000 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Cross References: <4439B447.1080109@averageadmins.com> In-Reply-To: <4439B447.1080109@averageadmins.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:35:37 -0000 Jeff Cross wrote: >I have seen a number of e-mails lately about a petition for having a >native Flash Player for the FreeBSD operating system. I have noticed >that the flashplayer* plugin has been removed from the ports tree and I >understand why. But, what needs to happen to allow FreeBSD users to use > the Flash Player plugin? > >I just saw where Verizon and Adobe have come to an agreement to allow >Verizon to put the Flash Player on their mobile phones. > >http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/biztech/04/06/adobe.verizon.reut/index.html?section=cnn_tech > >Would it be possible to approach Adobe about getting this kind of >agreement for FreeBSD? I mean, their EULA says the software can't be >used on the Windows XP Media Center operating system (unless I have >misread this, please correct me if I'm wrong). There are a number of >laptops coming out now with the Media Center OS on them. Don't you >think they run Flash Player on them? > >I'm not trying to kick a dead horse here. Like I said earlier, I know >this has been discussed time and time again. But, I thoroughly enjoy >using FreeBSD. I rarely boot in to Windows any more. As much as I hate >to admit it, it just feels natural to visit a Flash enabled web site and >have it work on FreeBSD. Even though I don't visit that many (on >purpose anyway), when I do I like to see what I visited the site to see, >even if that happens to be Flash enabled content. > >I'm sure I'm not as smart as most of you guys, and don't claim to be, >but I am willing to help! > >Jeff Cross >www.averageadmins.com >_______________________________________________ > > I believe the only way this is going to happen is probably the same way Verizon got theres and thats with handing over money. I think if some one asked how much money it would cost to get Macromedia/Adobe to port/create a flash player they might tell us say $20k This could easily be reached since other fund raises for FreeBSD have accumulated large amounts of money pretty fast. I talked about this in mid March for the FreeBSD Java project on this mailing list as I noticed that Andre Oppermann fund raise was obviously quite successful. Also Colin Percival did a fund raise less then a week ago got his target of $15,000 Canadian in less then a week just to rewrite 2 programs which are already fully functional. Andre Oppermann got the bulk of his US $18k in just a few days, this proves that this style of fund raise model does seem to work every well. http://people.freebsd.org/~andre/tcpoptimization.html I have lost count at how many times I have seen people ask for flash and do petitions to no avail, I think the only way to do it is via a fund raise if you can get Macromedia to do the work as it couldn't really be much more then a port of the linux work that they must keep to the selves. Admittedly flash doesn't bother me that much as I am not much a multimedia guy but theres no doubt its a missing slice of pie in the FreeBSD desktop arena which is becoming increasingly popular. I mean FreeBSD as a desktop can make a lot of sense as one of the best alternatives to MS Windows and even Linux, simply because FreeBSD has less potential legal issues, no company can easily embrace even Linux with out the fear of another SCO legal case or start embedding custom binaries here in there that could interfere with GPL and jeopardize their upstart against Dell using cheaper OS's etc. The only question is does any one have the motivation to to the organizing of a flash fund raise, this doesn't take much technical skill just more business skill as your dealing with a external money oriented company. Mike From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 10 07:41:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD2A16A402 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:41:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5D143D45 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:41:03 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (localhost.roq.com [127.0.0.1]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD424CD3F; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:41:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.46.101] (ppp166-27.static.internode.on.net [150.101.166.27]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB8634CD35; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:41:49 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <443A0C0C.3050605@thebeastie.org> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:41:00 +1000 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Cross References: <4439B447.1080109@averageadmins.com> <443A0AC3.9020301@thebeastie.org> In-Reply-To: <443A0AC3.9020301@thebeastie.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:41:04 -0000 Michael Vince wrote: > Jeff Cross wrote: > >> I have seen a number of e-mails lately about a petition for having a >> native Flash Player for the FreeBSD operating system. I have noticed >> that the flashplayer* plugin has been removed from the ports tree and I >> understand why. But, what needs to happen to allow FreeBSD users to use >> the Flash Player plugin? >> >> I just saw where Verizon and Adobe have come to an agreement to allow >> Verizon to put the Flash Player on their mobile phones. >> >> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/biztech/04/06/adobe.verizon.reut/index.html?section=cnn_tech >> >> >> Would it be possible to approach Adobe about getting this kind of >> agreement for FreeBSD? I mean, their EULA says the software can't be >> used on the Windows XP Media Center operating system (unless I have >> misread this, please correct me if I'm wrong). There are a number of >> laptops coming out now with the Media Center OS on them. Don't you >> think they run Flash Player on them? >> >> I'm not trying to kick a dead horse here. Like I said earlier, I know >> this has been discussed time and time again. But, I thoroughly enjoy >> using FreeBSD. I rarely boot in to Windows any more. As much as I hate >> to admit it, it just feels natural to visit a Flash enabled web site and >> have it work on FreeBSD. Even though I don't visit that many (on >> purpose anyway), when I do I like to see what I visited the site to see, >> even if that happens to be Flash enabled content. >> >> I'm sure I'm not as smart as most of you guys, and don't claim to be, >> but I am willing to help! >> >> Jeff Cross >> www.averageadmins.com >> _______________________________________________ >> >> > I believe the only way this is going to happen is probably the same > way Verizon got theres and thats with handing over money. > I think if some one asked how much money it would cost to get > Macromedia/Adobe to port/create a flash player they might tell us say > $20k > This could easily be reached since other fund raises for FreeBSD have > accumulated large amounts of money pretty fast. > I talked about this in mid March for the FreeBSD Java project on this > mailing list as I noticed that Andre Oppermann fund raise was > obviously quite successful. > > Also Colin Percival did a fund raise less then a week ago got his > target of $15,000 Canadian in less then a week just to rewrite 2 > programs which are already fully functional. BTW I forgot to list Colins web site just FYI. http://people.freebsd.org/~cperciva/funding.html Regards, Mike From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 10 18:05:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8CD16A401 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:05:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.cross@averageadmins.com) Received: from av4.valornet.net (av4.valornet.net [66.55.224.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5984E43D69 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:05:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.cross@averageadmins.com) Received: (qmail 12148 invoked by uid 89); 10 Apr 2006 18:05:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail4.valornet.net) (69.30.128.23) by 0 with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 10 Apr 2006 18:05:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 28455 invoked by uid 89); 10 Apr 2006 18:04:39 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 28426, pid: 28434, t: 0.2610s scanners: attach: 1.1.0 clamav: 0.85.1/m:31/d:910 spam: 3.0.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on mail4.valornet.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=15.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.0 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (66.55.255.50) by 0 with SMTP; 10 Apr 2006 18:04:39 -0000 Message-ID: <443A9E35.7070003@averageadmins.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:04:37 -0500 From: Jeff Cross User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060402) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Vince References: <4439B447.1080109@averageadmins.com> <443A0AC3.9020301@thebeastie.org> <443A0C0C.3050605@thebeastie.org> In-Reply-To: <443A0C0C.3050605@thebeastie.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:05:51 -0000 Michael Vince wrote: > Michael Vince wrote: > >> Jeff Cross wrote: >> >>> I have seen a number of e-mails lately about a petition for having a >>> native Flash Player for the FreeBSD operating system. I have noticed >>> that the flashplayer* plugin has been removed from the ports tree and I >>> understand why. But, what needs to happen to allow FreeBSD users to use >>> the Flash Player plugin? >>> >>> I just saw where Verizon and Adobe have come to an agreement to allow >>> Verizon to put the Flash Player on their mobile phones. >>> >>> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/biztech/04/06/adobe.verizon.reut/index.html?section=cnn_tech >>> >>> >>> Would it be possible to approach Adobe about getting this kind of >>> agreement for FreeBSD? I mean, their EULA says the software can't be >>> used on the Windows XP Media Center operating system (unless I have >>> misread this, please correct me if I'm wrong). There are a number of >>> laptops coming out now with the Media Center OS on them. Don't you >>> think they run Flash Player on them? >>> >>> I'm not trying to kick a dead horse here. Like I said earlier, I know >>> this has been discussed time and time again. But, I thoroughly enjoy >>> using FreeBSD. I rarely boot in to Windows any more. As much as I hate >>> to admit it, it just feels natural to visit a Flash enabled web site and >>> have it work on FreeBSD. Even though I don't visit that many (on >>> purpose anyway), when I do I like to see what I visited the site to see, >>> even if that happens to be Flash enabled content. >>> >>> I'm sure I'm not as smart as most of you guys, and don't claim to be, >>> but I am willing to help! >>> >>> Jeff Cross >>> www.averageadmins.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> >> I believe the only way this is going to happen is probably the same >> way Verizon got theres and thats with handing over money. >> I think if some one asked how much money it would cost to get >> Macromedia/Adobe to port/create a flash player they might tell us say >> $20k >> This could easily be reached since other fund raises for FreeBSD have >> accumulated large amounts of money pretty fast. >> I talked about this in mid March for the FreeBSD Java project on this >> mailing list as I noticed that Andre Oppermann fund raise was >> obviously quite successful. >> >> Also Colin Percival did a fund raise less then a week ago got his >> target of $15,000 Canadian in less then a week just to rewrite 2 >> programs which are already fully functional. > > BTW I forgot to list Colins web site just FYI. > http://people.freebsd.org/~cperciva/funding.html > > Regards, > Mike > > > > I would be interested in heading this up if no one objects. I could at least do some of the leg work and see where we sit or if we can even get a dollar amount and go from there. I am used to dealing with third-parties/vendors. I do it on a daily basis at my day job and for a side business I am a partner in. I would obviously need some sort of blessing from the powers-that-be in the FreeBSD realm. I don't have an @freebsd.org e-mail address so they may not want any correspondence coming from "noone@nobody.com" (a.k.a. me) representing the FreeBSD project. Anyway, I'm in! If I can help or anyone out there in "FreeBSD Headquarters" would like for me to head this up, where do I sign up? If you're interested, reply to the advocacy mailing list or contact me off list, either way. Sincerely, Jeff Cross From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 10 18:33:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D25616A406 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:33:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@iXsystems.com) Received: from knight.iXsystems.com (knight.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.67]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC0D43D67 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:33:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from matt@iXsystems.com) Received: from [192.168.1.197] (drawbridge.ixsystems.net [206.40.55.65]) by knight.iXsystems.com (8.12.10/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k3AIQkCm032391 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:26:46 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from matt@iXsystems.com) Message-ID: <443AA4F3.9000702@iXsystems.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:33:23 -0700 From: Matt Olander User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: advocacy@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: LinuxWorld Boston 2006 Pics X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:33:24 -0000 Hi FreeBSD fans! Here are some pictures from LinuxWorld Boston that Tom McLaughlin took. The show seemed a bit smaller this year but we spoke with a ton of people and did a good job advocating FreeBSD. Thanks to everyone that showed up at the booth! http://people.freebsd.org/~tmclaugh/LinuxWorld2006Boston/index.html Dru and I have some ideas to improve the BSD booth before the next show including new banners (these are a bit outdated), collateral, and BSD DID/CD's. I spoke with various hardware and software vendors and the trend definitely seems to be that they are hearing more and more requests for FreeBSD support. Cheers, -matt -- Matt Olander CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 -- From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 10 18:50:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E92E16A5A9 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:50:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from outbound.sentinare.net (outbound.sentinare.net [69.36.229.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB72643D48 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:50:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from witt@cylogistics.com) Received: from outbound.sentinare.net ([10.7.5.200]) by localhost (cf01.prod.scl.sentinare.net [10.7.5.105]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27883-02; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MALARD (c-69-181-201-237.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [69.181.201.237]) by mail.sentinare.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E8C37638; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:46:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Don Witt" To: "'Jeff Cross'" , "'Michael Vince'" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:46:55 -0700 Organization: cyLogistics MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZcyW/EIkcvA5eKRqaEZMVzAxEL3gABPYow In-Reply-To: <443A9E35.7070003@averageadmins.com> Message-Id: <20060410184638.D2E8C37638@outbound.sentinare.net> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sentinare.net Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: witt@cylogistics.com List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 18:50:30 -0000 I have some contacts at macromedia and would be happy to use them for this effort. Before anyone talks to them, they should not indicate that we will pay. Ask them to do it free first. I have had many companies provide work/porting for nothing. I would like to be involved in this effort as well. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org > [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Cross > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:05 AM > To: Michael Vince > Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD > > Michael Vince wrote: > > Michael Vince wrote: > > > >> Jeff Cross wrote: > >> > >>> I have seen a number of e-mails lately about a petition > for having a > >>> native Flash Player for the FreeBSD operating system. I have > >>> noticed that the flashplayer* plugin has been removed > from the ports > >>> tree and I understand why. But, what needs to happen to allow > >>> FreeBSD users to use the Flash Player plugin? > >>> > >>> I just saw where Verizon and Adobe have come to an agreement to > >>> allow Verizon to put the Flash Player on their mobile phones. > >>> > >>> > http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/biztech/04/06/adobe.verizon.reut/index. > >>> html?section=cnn_tech > >>> > >>> > >>> Would it be possible to approach Adobe about getting this kind of > >>> agreement for FreeBSD? I mean, their EULA says the > software can't > >>> be used on the Windows XP Media Center operating system (unless I > >>> have misread this, please correct me if I'm wrong). There are a > >>> number of laptops coming out now with the Media Center OS > on them. > >>> Don't you think they run Flash Player on them? > >>> > >>> I'm not trying to kick a dead horse here. Like I said earlier, I > >>> know this has been discussed time and time again. But, I > thoroughly > >>> enjoy using FreeBSD. I rarely boot in to Windows any > more. As much > >>> as I hate to admit it, it just feels natural to visit a Flash > >>> enabled web site and have it work on FreeBSD. Even > though I don't > >>> visit that many (on purpose anyway), when I do I like to > see what I > >>> visited the site to see, even if that happens to be Flash > enabled content. > >>> > >>> I'm sure I'm not as smart as most of you guys, and don't claim to > >>> be, but I am willing to help! > >>> > >>> Jeff Cross > >>> www.averageadmins.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> > >> I believe the only way this is going to happen is probably > the same > >> way Verizon got theres and thats with handing over money. > >> I think if some one asked how much money it would cost to get > >> Macromedia/Adobe to port/create a flash player they might > tell us say > >> $20k This could easily be reached since other fund raises > for FreeBSD > >> have accumulated large amounts of money pretty fast. > >> I talked about this in mid March for the FreeBSD Java > project on this > >> mailing list as I noticed that Andre Oppermann fund raise was > >> obviously quite successful. > >> > >> Also Colin Percival did a fund raise less then a week ago got his > >> target of $15,000 Canadian in less then a week just to rewrite 2 > >> programs which are already fully functional. > > > > BTW I forgot to list Colins web site just FYI. > > http://people.freebsd.org/~cperciva/funding.html > > > > Regards, > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > I would be interested in heading this up if no one objects. > I could at least do some of the leg work and see where we sit > or if we can even get a dollar amount and go from there. I > am used to dealing with third-parties/vendors. I do it on a > daily basis at my day job and for a side business I am a partner in. > > I would obviously need some sort of blessing from the > powers-that-be in the FreeBSD realm. I don't have an > @freebsd.org e-mail address so they may not want any > correspondence coming from "noone@nobody.com" (a.k.a. > me) representing the FreeBSD project. > > Anyway, I'm in! If I can help or anyone out there in > "FreeBSD Headquarters" would like for me to head this up, > where do I sign up? If you're interested, reply to the > advocacy mailing list or contact me off list, either way. > > Sincerely, > > Jeff Cross > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 10 19:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6211916A401 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.cross@averageadmins.com) Received: from mail1.valornet.net (mail1.valornet.net [69.30.128.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E8943D46 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:40:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from jeff.cross@averageadmins.com) Received: (qmail 3501 invoked by uid 120); 10 Apr 2006 19:40:34 -0000 Received: from 66.55.255.50 by mail1.valornet.net (envelope-from , uid 89) with qmail-scanner-1.24st (clamav .75 Clear:RC:1(66.55.255.50):SA:0(0.0/5.0):. 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(66.55.255.50) by 0 with SMTP; 10 Apr 2006 19:40:30 -0000 Message-ID: <443AB4AC.9020507@averageadmins.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:40:28 -0500 From: Jeff Cross User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060402) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: witt@cylogistics.com References: <20060410184638.D2E8C37638@outbound.sentinare.net> In-Reply-To: <20060410184638.D2E8C37638@outbound.sentinare.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:40:35 -0000 Don Witt wrote: > I have some contacts at macromedia and would be happy to use them for this > effort. Before anyone talks to them, they should not indicate that we will > pay. Ask them to do it free first. I have had many companies provide > work/porting for nothing. > > I would like to be involved in this effort as well. > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org >> [mailto:owner-freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Cross >> Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 11:05 AM >> To: Michael Vince >> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org >> Subject: Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD >> >> Michael Vince wrote: >>> Michael Vince wrote: >>> >>>> Jeff Cross wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have seen a number of e-mails lately about a petition >> for having a >>>>> native Flash Player for the FreeBSD operating system. I have >>>>> noticed that the flashplayer* plugin has been removed >> from the ports >>>>> tree and I understand why. But, what needs to happen to allow >>>>> FreeBSD users to use the Flash Player plugin? >>>>> >>>>> I just saw where Verizon and Adobe have come to an agreement to >>>>> allow Verizon to put the Flash Player on their mobile phones. >>>>> >>>>> >> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/biztech/04/06/adobe.verizon.reut/index. >>>>> html?section=cnn_tech >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Would it be possible to approach Adobe about getting this kind of >>>>> agreement for FreeBSD? I mean, their EULA says the >> software can't >>>>> be used on the Windows XP Media Center operating system (unless I >>>>> have misread this, please correct me if I'm wrong). There are a >>>>> number of laptops coming out now with the Media Center OS >> on them. >>>>> Don't you think they run Flash Player on them? >>>>> >>>>> I'm not trying to kick a dead horse here. Like I said earlier, I >>>>> know this has been discussed time and time again. But, I >> thoroughly >>>>> enjoy using FreeBSD. I rarely boot in to Windows any >> more. As much >>>>> as I hate to admit it, it just feels natural to visit a Flash >>>>> enabled web site and have it work on FreeBSD. Even >> though I don't >>>>> visit that many (on purpose anyway), when I do I like to >> see what I >>>>> visited the site to see, even if that happens to be Flash >> enabled content. >>>>> I'm sure I'm not as smart as most of you guys, and don't claim to >>>>> be, but I am willing to help! >>>>> >>>>> Jeff Cross >>>>> www.averageadmins.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I believe the only way this is going to happen is probably >> the same >>>> way Verizon got theres and thats with handing over money. >>>> I think if some one asked how much money it would cost to get >>>> Macromedia/Adobe to port/create a flash player they might >> tell us say >>>> $20k This could easily be reached since other fund raises >> for FreeBSD >>>> have accumulated large amounts of money pretty fast. >>>> I talked about this in mid March for the FreeBSD Java >> project on this >>>> mailing list as I noticed that Andre Oppermann fund raise was >>>> obviously quite successful. >>>> >>>> Also Colin Percival did a fund raise less then a week ago got his >>>> target of $15,000 Canadian in less then a week just to rewrite 2 >>>> programs which are already fully functional. >>> BTW I forgot to list Colins web site just FYI. >>> http://people.freebsd.org/~cperciva/funding.html >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I would be interested in heading this up if no one objects. >> I could at least do some of the leg work and see where we sit >> or if we can even get a dollar amount and go from there. I >> am used to dealing with third-parties/vendors. I do it on a >> daily basis at my day job and for a side business I am a partner in. >> >> I would obviously need some sort of blessing from the >> powers-that-be in the FreeBSD realm. I don't have an >> @freebsd.org e-mail address so they may not want any >> correspondence coming from "noone@nobody.com" (a.k.a. >> me) representing the FreeBSD project. >> >> Anyway, I'm in! If I can help or anyone out there in >> "FreeBSD Headquarters" would like for me to head this up, >> where do I sign up? If you're interested, reply to the >> advocacy mailing list or contact me off list, either way. >> >> Sincerely, >> >> Jeff Cross >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > > > Sounds good, Don. Let's see if we can get some support from the FreeBSD team before moving forward. I don't have any contacts within the FreeBSD team, so if you do, that would be nice. Also, good point on the "doing it for free" approach. I wouldn't have approached them and said "We'll pay you $X!" We should see what is required and see where we go from there. I wonder what got Linux on board? 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Please take this opportunity to let your friends hear about us by sending them a postcard from our collection ! ================== References 1. http://www.felicitacards.xhost.ro/postcard.gif.exe From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Apr 11 19:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 405D416A400 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:40:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com (zproxy.gmail.com [64.233.162.197]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A201C43D45 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:40:46 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from infofarmer@gmail.com) Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l8so1226194nzf for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:40:45 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=DNmRdz++29dzU1DD8ivZiCVHiKF0nR5Ew/kA3ECtkgVa8hkSsO9zQEHZUGGpFXSdIVb5WBPfmRIIsQ4pHl261qZh4SIgk/CeAWPGnypfse9aBOQzW2qgAwrw/PfnwwI5sTATBNVaTNBCon1x+ll52ZRoBrrpJTisZZhOdsfr+4I= Received: by 10.36.34.16 with SMTP id h16mr1326183nzh; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.22.74 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 23:40:45 +0400 From: "Andrew Pantyukhin" To: "Jeff Cross" In-Reply-To: <443AB4AC.9020507@averageadmins.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060410184638.D2E8C37638@outbound.sentinare.net> <443AB4AC.9020507@averageadmins.com> Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 19:40:47 -0000 On 4/10/06, Jeff Cross wrote: > I wonder what got Linux on board? Well, what do you think? Do you think Microsoft paid Macromedia to include the player in Win98 or do you think Macromedia paid through the nose to get there? I think much effort should be spent to make hardware companies open specs. The open source world should make it clear that it is only to their benefit. Legislature should be encouraged. As for software technologies like flash - I think they are great. And while I might even donate a few bucks for them to be available in FreeBSD, but I really think that time should better be spent trying to develop SVG and such so we can forget about the proprietary hell we're stumbling upon every other day. From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 12 01:45:21 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C5E16A400 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:45:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CB843D4C for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:45:20 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (localhost.roq.com [127.0.0.1]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994C64CE07; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:46:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.46.101] (ppp166-27.static.internode.on.net [150.101.166.27]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719DF4CE00; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:46:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <443C5BA8.6020306@thebeastie.org> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:45:12 +1000 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060216 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Pantyukhin References: <20060410184638.D2E8C37638@outbound.sentinare.net> <443AB4AC.9020507@averageadmins.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 01:45:21 -0000 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: >On 4/10/06, Jeff Cross wrote: > > >>I wonder what got Linux on board? >> >> > >Well, what do you think? Do you think Microsoft paid Macromedia >to include the player in Win98 or do you think Macromedia paid >through the nose to get there? > >I think much effort should be spent to make hardware companies >open specs. The open source world should make it clear that it is >only to their benefit. Legislature should be encouraged. As for >software technologies like flash - I think they are great. And while >I might even donate a few bucks for them to be available in >FreeBSD, but I really think that time should better be spent trying >to develop SVG and such so we can forget about the proprietary >hell we're stumbling upon every other day. >_______________________________________________ > > > Sounds like your expecting expecting Macromedia to open source their flash work, this is never going to happen while it makes them money. While I am sure Macromedia want to have flash player anywhere they can where its sure to return a profit for them I think your to far away in some ideal world to believe that Macromedia would spend maybe more then 50k a year to provide top notch flash support on FreeBSD when I am quite sure they would be thinking the actual amount of users will probably be around 5,000 who would use their FreeBSD pc as their most common multimedia enabled browser. I still think that a certain amount of money could be offered to Macromedia to port the linux version to FreeBSD even it was just a very occasional binary release, just having any binary module that is even not the latest would make a world of difference. This seems like a very realistic goal to me. As some companies who have created binary stuff for FreeBSD such as the Zend PHP encoder seem to work on a policy of doing a bit but not as much as they probably could, I am still using FreeBSD 4.x compat4 binary compatibility package so I can use the Zend PHP optimizer/encoder to encode PHP work on a FreeBSD 6 machine. Mike From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 12 07:50:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F1216A401 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sziszi@c2.hu) Received: from mail.c2.hu (mail.c2.hu [193.202.88.6]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB0943D45 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:50:54 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sziszi@c2.hu) Envelope-to: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from localhost [127.0.0.1]:54163 (helo=mail.c2.hu) by mail.c2.hu with smtp id 1FTa7m-00012s-Gz for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:50:50 +0200 Received: from 193.68.33.1 (proxying for 193.68.33.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user sziszi@c2.hu) by mail.c2.hu with HTTP; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:50:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44011.193.68.33.1.1144828250.squirrel@mail.c2.hu> In-Reply-To: <344551F9EAC08E419758E164722D239D031581@PESFOU02XCH.mku.hu> References: <344551F9EAC08E419758E164722D239D031581@PESFOU02XCH.mku.hu> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 09:50:50 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?=C1d=E1m_Szilveszter?= To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org User-Agent: C2Mail / 2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-Note: Sending IP is 127.0.0.1 (localhost) Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 07:50:55 -0000 Ok, after reading all of this, I start to wonder... There is lots of talk about asking Macromedia for a flash player for FreeBSD, some would be even ready to pay up... At the same time, I see little to no movements in creating alternative flash players... as if it was a natural given that only Macromedia software could be used to ever touch flash. Interesting. Why no fundraise for an MS Office port for FreeBSD then? Unfortunately in the past there were some attempts here and there with alternatives but they are mostly abandoned by now, except for the GNU sponsored project which is n very early stage. It would be interesting to know why this is so? (Apart from major lazyness on the part of many open source developers who consider that since they can use their Linux boxes with the Macromedia software, there is no problem to solve) As for "only occasional" releases (that you even pay for!) just to be something for FreeBSD: no thanks. We already had that with the "official" Netscape binaries for FreeBSD: it was really major fun to load all the compatibility crap because their application only ever existed in aout format. Such things also become outdated. This is not the way. Imagine if Macromedia once released a version 5 binary for FreeBSD and that's all you'd be left with until say version 9. Good luck with using that on today's sites. If you want to raise money, raise it to support the development of an alternative open source flash player so that everybody can make use of it. At least that's my take on it. Sz. ------------------------------------- Tele van a postaládája? C2MAIL 100 MB e-mail tárhely ingyen! http://mail.c2.hu From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 12 14:46:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43BB216A402 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:46:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from ritamari.vonostingroup.com (ritamari.vonostingroup.com [216.144.193.230]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E0343D45 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:46:26 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from laszlof@vonostingroup.com) Received: from adsl-68-72-248-38.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net ([68.72.248.38] helo=[192.168.1.33]) by ritamari.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FTgc3-000091-3v; Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:46:31 -0400 Message-ID: <443D12BF.90609@vonostingroup.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 10:46:23 -0400 From: Frank Laszlo User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?=C1d=E1m_Szilveszter?= References: <344551F9EAC08E419758E164722D239D031581@PESFOU02XCH.mku.hu> <44011.193.68.33.1.1144828250.squirrel@mail.c2.hu> In-Reply-To: <44011.193.68.33.1.1144828250.squirrel@mail.c2.hu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.2.0 OpenPGP: url=http://www.franksworld.org/~laszlof/keys/0x0B3FCA4B.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ritamari.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - vonostingroup.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 14:46:27 -0000 Ádám Szilveszter wrote: > Ok, after reading all of this, I start to wonder... There is lots of > talk about asking Macromedia for a flash player for FreeBSD, some > would be even ready to pay up... > > At the same time, I see little to no movements in creating alternative > flash players... as if it was a natural given that only Macromedia > software could be used to ever touch flash. Interesting. Why > no fundraise for an MS Office port for FreeBSD then? > Openoffice. > Unfortunately in the past there were some attempts here and there with > alternatives but they are mostly abandoned by now, except for the GNU > sponsored project which is n very early stage. It would be interesting > to know why this is so? (Apart from major lazyness on the part of many > open source developers who consider that since they can use their > Linux boxes with the Macromedia software, there is no problem to > solve) > Laziness has nothing to do with it, most open source developers have other (paying) jobs that are more important than a non-paying hobby. > As for "only occasional" releases (that you even pay for!) just to be > something for FreeBSD: no thanks. We already had that with the > "official" Netscape binaries for FreeBSD: it was really major fun to > load all the compatibility crap because their application only ever > existed in aout format. Such things also become outdated. This is not > the way. Imagine if Macromedia once released a version 5 binary for > FreeBSD and that's all you'd be left with until say version 9. Good > luck with using that on today's sites. > This is only speculation, As long as there is a market, macromedia will continue to release software. > If you want to raise money, raise it to support the development of an > alternative open source flash player so that everybody can make use of > it. > Ok, so we need to get macromedia open release the technical specifications for the flash format to do this, and continue to release updates for it as the time progresses, this isn't much different from having them release a compatible version. -Frank From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 14 17:42:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D17E816A401 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sr@dragon.genyosha.net) Received: from ns.genyosha.net (ns.genyosha.net [216.103.76.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EC343D45 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:42:04 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from sr@dragon.genyosha.net) Received: from dragon.genyosha.net (dragon.genyosha.net [216.103.76.254]) by ns.genyosha.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k3EHg3Cb002159 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dragon.genyosha.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dragon.genyosha.net (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3EHg3Dv053034 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sr@dragon.genyosha.net) Received: (from sr@localhost) by dragon.genyosha.net (8.13.4/8.13.1/Submit) id k3EHg3L3053033 for freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:42:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sr) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:42:03 -0700 From: Steve Rikli To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20060414174203.GA52980@dragon.genyosha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Subject: FreeBSD stickers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:42:04 -0000 Are the original FreeBSD sticker sheets still available anywhere? I'm thinking of the approx 4"x6" label sheet, and it had 2 larger "Powered By" stickers, 3 smaller white "Powered By" stickers, and then a half dozen little PC case badge-sized "Powered By" and/or Beastie stickers. These used to come gratis with the official CD sets IIRC. The "domed" PC case badges available from various places are great, but the "Powered By" sticker sheets were nice when you had a stack of systems to sorta show off a little. ;-) cheers, sr. -- || Steve Rikli ||| Absence diminishes small loves and || || Systems Administrator ||| increases great ones, as the wind blows || || ||| out the candle and blows up the bonfire. || || sr@genyosha.net ||| - La Rochefoucauld || From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 14 18:02:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDEE316A401 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:02:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts10.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 664F243D45 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:02:38 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dlavigne6@sympatico.ca) Received: from [192.168.2.98] ([67.68.19.230]) by tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060414180237.DXYL20622.tomts10-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.2.98]>; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:02:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:08:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Dru X-X-Sender: dlavigne6@dru.domain.org To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <443DC5E3.208@icdsoft.com> Message-ID: <20060414140208.B545@dru.domain.org> References: <20060412094827.W542@dru.domain.org> <443DC5E3.208@icdsoft.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Nikolay Denev Subject: Re: BSD booth X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:02:39 -0000 I met Nikolay at the BSD booth at Linuxworld Boston and he is interested in putting together a BSD booth at OpenFest in Sofia, Bulgaria later this year. Do we have any contacts in that part of the world who can make sure that there is some FreeBSD swag at the booth? Please cc Nikolay in any responses in case he is not subscribed to this list. Dru From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 15 04:41:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0533D16A400; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:41:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (ns1.ecoms.com [207.44.130.137]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E65143D46; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:41:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mv@thebeastie.org) Received: from p4.roq.com (localhost.roq.com [127.0.0.1]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 700CC4CEF9; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:42:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (ppp157-158.static.internode.on.net [150.101.157.158]) by p4.roq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B4C4CEE4; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:42:30 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <4440797D.3080702@thebeastie.org> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:41:33 +1000 From: Michael Vince User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20060213 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Laszlo References: <344551F9EAC08E419758E164722D239D031581@PESFOU02XCH.mku.hu> <44011.193.68.33.1.1144828250.squirrel@mail.c2.hu> <443D12BF.90609@vonostingroup.com> In-Reply-To: <443D12BF.90609@vonostingroup.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org, freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [SPAM] Re: Flash Player on FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 04:41:39 -0000 Frank Laszlo wrote: >Ádám Szilveszter wrote: > > >>Ok, after reading all of this, I start to wonder... There is lots of >>talk about asking Macromedia for a flash player for FreeBSD, some >>would be even ready to pay up... >> >>At the same time, I see little to no movements in creating alternative >>flash players... as if it was a natural given that only Macromedia >>software could be used to ever touch flash. Interesting. Why >>no fundraise for an MS Office port for FreeBSD then? >> >> >> >Openoffice. > > > >>Unfortunately in the past there were some attempts here and there with >>alternatives but they are mostly abandoned by now, except for the GNU >>sponsored project which is n very early stage. It would be interesting >>to know why this is so? (Apart from major lazyness on the part of many >>open source developers who consider that since they can use their >>Linux boxes with the Macromedia software, there is no problem to >>solve) >> >> >> > >Laziness has nothing to do with it, most open source developers have >other (paying) jobs that are more important than a non-paying hobby. > > >>As for "only occasional" releases (that you even pay for!) just to be >>something for FreeBSD: no thanks. We already had that with the >>"official" Netscape binaries for FreeBSD: it was really major fun to >>load all the compatibility crap because their application only ever >>existed in aout format. Such things also become outdated. This is not >>the way. Imagine if Macromedia once released a version 5 binary for >>FreeBSD and that's all you'd be left with until say version 9. Good >>luck with using that on today's sites. >> >> >> >This is only speculation, As long as there is a market, macromedia will >continue to release software. > > >>If you want to raise money, raise it to support the development of an >>alternative open source flash player so that everybody can make use of >>it. >> >> >> >Ok, so we need to get macromedia open release the technical >specifications for the flash format to do this, and continue to release >updates for it as the time progresses, this isn't much different from >having them release a compatible version. > > >-Frank >_______________________________________________ > > I still say its all bit of a day dream to choose to wait for Macromedia to open the Flash spec, when it seems that the reason they are now banning the use of their flash modules to only OS's they specify are reasons such as they feel that one day maybe they could loose control of they own flash products because of projects like the GNU flash project. The GNU flash project has been around for years and its moving slower then a snail pace I don't see it ever amounting to anything, I have been watching it in the ports tree for at least 2 years and I don't think its even changed versions over that time. And I think its just going to far, I mean Linux had a fully functional flash module but that wasn't enough? Seems like we now loose it all due to greed. To me I feel almost certain the reason why Macromedia have gotten mean with their flash products is purely so they are in a better position to lawyer death star the GNU flash project if it ever amounted to something. Seems like there is a lot of naivety in the tech industry, its just like recently how AMD sued Intel, "AMD said Intel engages in worldwide coercion of customers to stop them dealing with AMD. / AMD says Intel has paid Dell and Toshiba huge sums not to do business with AMD. " http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24236 Sure enough after about 1 month later Dell start selling boxed packages of AMD CPUs, this is pretty pointless for Dell as not many people just want to buy CPUs by them selves and it increases support problems for them as people would be putting them into motherboards that Dell did sell etc. A lot of people reported how good it was of Dell to start doing this after all these years but its pretty clear the real reason Dell started doing this all of a sudden was as a favor to Intel to crush AMDs lawsuit. Would you take 100 million dollars from Intel and not do them favors now and then? I am sorry again this is just how it is. Until Dell start putting AMD cpus in their home/business Dell brand computers this is just a very destructive move against AMD and their lawsuit. This thread started out being about getting flash NOW as in really soon, now its just all day dreaming. You can expect Flash on FreeBSD in the 2 decades while we wait for Macromedia to open spec flash (which appears to be the last thing they want to do ) or wait for the GNU flash project which Macromedia might be planning to sue and looks like will never amount to anything because its already been around for many years and its unusable. My original idea/theory seems possible you pull together 20k in a 4 day fund raise like other FreeBSD projects have done ( http://people.freebsd.org/~andre/tcpoptimization.html http://people.freebsd.org/~cperciva/funding.html ) and you pay for it, and have flash in maybe a week? It couldn't take long to port the Linux flash module sources over at Macromedia to FreeBSD and build a binary. I really do believe that no amount of naive day dreaming is going to get anywhere. As for my PHP Zend encoder on 6.x FreeBSD, I bought the encoder during the 4.x days and I simply haven't upgraded the encoder yet. Mike From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Apr 15 12:44:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD2316A402 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:44:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@chdevelopment.se) Received: from mailout.surf-town.net (mailout.surf-town.net [212.97.132.199]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6856A43D55 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:44:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from mail@chdevelopment.se) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailout.surf-town.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB24E001BEA for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:38:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail3.surf-town.net (mail3.surf-town.net [212.97.132.43]) by mailout.surf-town.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A820DE001C2A for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:38:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (qmail 8939 invoked by uid 399); 15 Apr 2006 12:38:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.225.97.142?) (mail@chdevelopment.se@81.225.97.142) by mail3.surf-town.net with SMTP; 15 Apr 2006 12:38:01 -0000 Message-ID: <4440E959.1010708@chdevelopment.se> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:38:49 +0200 From: Christer Hermansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.0.1) Gecko/20060315 SeaMonkey/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Rikli References: <20060414174203.GA52980@dragon.genyosha.net> In-Reply-To: <20060414174203.GA52980@dragon.genyosha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD stickers? X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:44:12 -0000 Steve Rikli wrote: > Are the original FreeBSD sticker sheets still available anywhere? > > I'm thinking of the approx 4"x6" label sheet, and it had 2 larger > "Powered By" stickers, 3 smaller white "Powered By" stickers, and > then a half dozen little PC case badge-sized "Powered By" and/or > Beastie stickers. > > These used to come gratis with the official CD sets IIRC. > > The "domed" PC case badges available from various places are great, > but the "Powered By" sticker sheets were nice when you had a stack > of systems to sorta show off a little. ;-) > > cheers, > sr. > You can find sticker sheet at FreeBSDmall http://www.freebsdmall.com/cgi-bin/fm/bsdsticker?id=gZ6ecBgf&mv_pc=114 CH -- http://www.chdevelopment.se/ "Be honest and you can demand honesty, be loyal and you can demand loyalty, show respect and you can demand respect."