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From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 26 08:02:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9BC16A401 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:02:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.com) Received: from s200aog11.obsmtp.com (s200aog11.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.125]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E535F43D68 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:02:30 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.com) Received: from source ([195.149.172.5]) by eu1sys200aob011.postini.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:02:29 UTC Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:02:29 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Router upgrade.... 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X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:02:35 -0000 Hi =20 I'm running freebsd5.4 on one of our main routers, also running quagga = bgp etc. =20 I would like to upgrade the OS to 6.1RC1 to get the better support for = CARP on VLAN interfaces.What would the best way be to upgrade with = minimum downtime? =20 Here are a list of things I've considered, feel free to add anything you = think I've left out =20 * prepare a new hardisk with appropriate OS etc. reboot and plug new = disk in and pray * prepare a new router swap cables etc. and hope no ARP cache problems = arrive * ghost etc. not sure what software to use =20 any feedback would be helpful =20 Tyrone =20 TeleCityRedbus Sverige Visit: Marieh=E4llsv=E4gen 36 Address: P.O.Box 20165, 161 02 Bromma, SWEDEN Phone: +46 8 799 38 00 - Direct: +46 8 799 38 07 Email: tyrone@telecity.se Internet: http://www.telecity.se =20 TelecityRedbus is an ISO 9001:2000 & BS7799 certified company Winner - Best Practice in Network and Infrastructure Security 2005, = Aberdeen Group =20 DISCLAIMER This e-mail is intended only for the use of the addressees named above an= d may be confidential. = If you are not an addressee you must not use any information contained in= nor copy it nor inform any person other than the addressees of its exist= ence or contents. = If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the IT departme= nt on +44 207 001 0090 Internet communications cannot be guaranteed 100% secure, you should ther= efore take this potential lack of security into consideration when emaili= ng us as we do not accept legal responsibility for the security of the co= ntents of this or other emails. Whilst we take measures to prevent any vi= rus contamination of our computer systems, recipients of emails should al= ways ensure that they take their own precautions to avoid virus contamina= tion. =0D From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 26 10:48:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB2916A402 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:48:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mail.localelinks.com (web.localelinks.com [64.39.75.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1D743D49 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:48:05 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (adsl-072-148-013-213.sip.jan.bellsouth.net [72.148.13.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.localelinks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDEE8168; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:48:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 04D2461C2B; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:48:04 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 05:48:03 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.com Message-ID: <20060426104803.GO4202@over-yonder.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11-fullermd.3 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Router upgrade.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:48:08 -0000 On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 10:02:29AM +0200 I heard the voice of Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.com, and lo! it spake thus: > > I would like to upgrade the OS to 6.1RC1 to get the better support > for CARP on VLAN interfaces.What would the best way be to upgrade > with minimum downtime? If it were me, I'd just upgrade the box as-is by buildworld; 5 and 6 are close enough that major problems aren't too likely (of course, this is 'in general'; a single occurance of a major problem isn't much globally, but it sure does hurt when it happens to you ;). Unless something goes wrong, your downtime is two reboots. -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 26 13:45:36 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CCF16A401 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:45:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from proof.pobox.com (proof.pobox.com [207.106.133.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A418D43D48 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:45:35 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from proof (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proof.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BA31031C6; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by proof.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E6C04074C; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 09:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.61 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FYkKg-0002Kl-Oi; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:45:31 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:45:30 +0100 From: Brian Candler To: "Matthew D. Fuller" Message-ID: <20060426134530.GB8912@uk.tiscali.com> References: <20060426104803.GO4202@over-yonder.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060426104803.GO4202@over-yonder.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.com Subject: Re: Router upgrade.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 13:45:36 -0000 On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 05:48:03AM -0500, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 10:02:29AM +0200 I heard the voice of > Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.com, and lo! it spake thus: > > > > I would like to upgrade the OS to 6.1RC1 to get the better support > > for CARP on VLAN interfaces.What would the best way be to upgrade > > with minimum downtime? > > If it were me, I'd just upgrade the box as-is by buildworld; 5 and 6 > are close enough that major problems aren't too likely (of course, > this is 'in general'; a single occurance of a major problem isn't much > globally, but it sure does hurt when it happens to you ;). Unless > something goes wrong, your downtime is two reboots. I think you're forgetting the time sat in single-user mode while doing installworld and manually mergemaster'ing the rc scripts. For an experienced admin who has done this many times, it might just be a couple of minutes. For someone who hasn't done it before, it could be a long outage. Personally I prefer the other option suggested by the OP: - build a brand new router using whatever O/S and software revisions you choose to be on - test it to death standalone - configure it as a replacement and swap it in If you want it to come up on the same IP address then you may have to clear ARP caches on some other devices on the same LAN segment(s), but that's about it. Most importantly, you have a very clear rollback available to you. I challenge anyone to rollback a "make installworld" :-) If you are being really clever, you bring it up on different IP address, then let it take over the traffic (e.g. by participating in OSPF or whatever, and then the other machine drops out). If there are machines pointing defaultroute at the old box, then you swap IP addresses between the boxes. Anyone who has not picked up the new MAC address will still send traffic via the old box until its ARP cache expires, at which point it will start using the new. If you are using CARP/VRRP or whatever, it's just a question of changing the preferences and preemption. This "smooth" approach may not be practical in your network though (e.g. if you have a zillion VLANs hardwared into one router or the other) Regards, Brian. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 26 15:07:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9B7316A418 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from mail.localelinks.com (web.localelinks.com [64.39.75.54]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B3C43D45 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:07:33 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (adsl-072-148-013-213.sip.jan.bellsouth.net [72.148.13.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.localelinks.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6493D3DC; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:07:33 -0500 (CDT) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id 960D461C32; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:07:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:07:32 -0500 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Brian Candler Message-ID: <20060426150732.GQ4202@over-yonder.net> References: <20060426104803.GO4202@over-yonder.net> <20060426134530.GB8912@uk.tiscali.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060426134530.GB8912@uk.tiscali.com> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11-fullermd.3 Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.com Subject: Re: Router upgrade.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:07:34 -0000 On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 02:45:30PM +0100 I heard the voice of Brian Candler, and lo! it spake thus: > > I think you're forgetting the time sat in single-user mode while > doing installworld and manually mergemaster'ing the rc scripts. No, I'm not, because I wouldn't do that :) When I upgraded some production systems from RELENG_2_2 to mid-life RELENG_4, you're darn tootin' I did a lot of work in single-user mode (and some off boot disks, for that matter). But extraordinary circumstances aside, I do virtually all my upgrades in normal multi-user, and often many miles from the console. Now, I get away with it because I've done a lot of upgrades before, and I watch the mailing lists and keep track of any gotchas in a given upgrade. But Usually(tm) there's not even a twitch. I've done upgrades from 5.3/5.4ish to RELENG_6 remotely (no console, just ssh) several times, on i386 and amd64, and wouldn't flinch at doing it again. To a large extent, the smoothness of doing so is related to how often you do it; if you go a year or two between upgrades, accumulated differences can make things really unpleasant, while doing it every few months is usually grass through a duck. > Personally I prefer the other option suggested by the OP: > - build a brand new router using whatever O/S and software revisions you > choose to be on Which is the other extreme. I've rarely been in a situation where I consider my "normal" method too risky and went with something like this, but "rarely" isn't "never". In the end, you always have to balance. In the OP's case, I wouldn't be too worried about just doing it in-place; whether that would apply for anyone else, I (obviously) couldn't say. > If you want it to come up on the same IP address then you may have > to clear ARP caches on some other devices on the same LAN > segment(s), but that's about it. If you got real smart, you could just pull the NIC and put it in the new box, so even if something was foolishly holding onto the MAC, it would still get there :) -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 26 16:15:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4CE016A544 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cody@wilkshire.net) Received: from mail.wilkshire.net (mail.wilkshire.net [12.111.120.20]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2659C43D48 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:15:23 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from cody@wilkshire.net) Received: (qmail 32116 invoked from network); 26 Apr 2006 12:15:22 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (10.10.55.23) by 10.10.55.20 with SMTP; 26 Apr 2006 12:15:22 -0400 Received: from mail.wilkshire.net ([10.10.55.20]) by localhost (virusproxy3.wilkshire.net [10.10.55.23]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20340-17; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.57.128.241] (unknown [12.111.120.4]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.wilkshire.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A681CA74270; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <444F9C91.9010205@wilkshire.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:15:13 -0400 From: Cody Baker User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org References: <20060426104803.GO4202@over-yonder.net> <20060426134530.GB8912@uk.tiscali.com> <20060426150732.GQ4202@over-yonder.net> In-Reply-To: <20060426150732.GQ4202@over-yonder.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at wilkshire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Router upgrade.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:15:24 -0000 I don't have a lot of 6.0 experience but I'm going to really recommend that for a production server that you let this chill a little bit before installing a release candidate. In my younger days I got burned pretty hard by installing RC freebsd. Thank You, Cody Baker cody@wilkshire.net Matthew D. Fuller wrote: > On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 02:45:30PM +0100 I heard the voice of > Brian Candler, and lo! it spake thus: > >> I think you're forgetting the time sat in single-user mode while >> doing installworld and manually mergemaster'ing the rc scripts. >> > > No, I'm not, because I wouldn't do that :) > > When I upgraded some production systems from RELENG_2_2 to mid-life > RELENG_4, you're darn tootin' I did a lot of work in single-user mode > (and some off boot disks, for that matter). But extraordinary > circumstances aside, I do virtually all my upgrades in normal > multi-user, and often many miles from the console. > > Now, I get away with it because I've done a lot of upgrades before, > and I watch the mailing lists and keep track of any gotchas in a given > upgrade. But Usually(tm) there's not even a twitch. I've done > upgrades from 5.3/5.4ish to RELENG_6 remotely (no console, just ssh) > several times, on i386 and amd64, and wouldn't flinch at doing it > again. > > To a large extent, the smoothness of doing so is related to how often > you do it; if you go a year or two between upgrades, accumulated > differences can make things really unpleasant, while doing it every > few months is usually grass through a duck. > > > >> Personally I prefer the other option suggested by the OP: >> - build a brand new router using whatever O/S and software revisions you >> choose to be on >> > > Which is the other extreme. I've rarely been in a situation where I > consider my "normal" method too risky and went with something like > this, but "rarely" isn't "never". > > In the end, you always have to balance. In the OP's case, I wouldn't > be too worried about just doing it in-place; whether that would apply > for anyone else, I (obviously) couldn't say. > > > >> If you want it to come up on the same IP address then you may have >> to clear ARP caches on some other devices on the same LAN >> segment(s), but that's about it. >> > > If you got real smart, you could just pull the NIC and put it in the > new box, so even if something was foolishly holding onto the MAC, it > would still get there :) > > > From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 27 07:16:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AF7816A401 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:16:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.se) Received: from s200aog1.obsmtp.com (s200aog1.obsmtp.com [207.126.144.85]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFF1F43D55 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:16:12 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from Tyrone.VanDerHaar@TelecityRedbus.se) Received: from source ([195.149.172.5]) by eu1sys200aob001.obsmtp.com ([207.126.147.11]) with SMTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:16:05 UTC Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:16:04 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Router upgrade.... Thread-Index: AcZpXb0xkq6SSZ7ERFibkod6o7OeGAAa/B0g From: To: , Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Router upgrade.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 07:16:25 -0000 Unfortunately I can't pull the NIC because it's onboard! There's lost of decisions I have to make but I need this upgrade because of the support for CARP on VLAN interfaces, is suppose to be bug free. I have started preparing another disk with all the software I need and sometime in the middle of the night I will schedule a service window and swap the disks - and start being a believer- Thanks for all your input, maybe my next upgrade will be an installworld Tyrone -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of Matthew D. Fuller Sent: den 26 april 2006 17:08 To: Brian Candler Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org; Tyrone Van Der Haar (STO) Subject: Re: Router upgrade.... On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 02:45:30PM +0100 I heard the voice of Brian Candler, and lo! it spake thus: >=20 > I think you're forgetting the time sat in single-user mode while > doing installworld and manually mergemaster'ing the rc scripts. No, I'm not, because I wouldn't do that :) When I upgraded some production systems from RELENG_2_2 to mid-life RELENG_4, you're darn tootin' I did a lot of work in single-user mode (and some off boot disks, for that matter). But extraordinary circumstances aside, I do virtually all my upgrades in normal multi-user, and often many miles from the console. Now, I get away with it because I've done a lot of upgrades before, and I watch the mailing lists and keep track of any gotchas in a given upgrade. But Usually(tm) there's not even a twitch. I've done upgrades from 5.3/5.4ish to RELENG_6 remotely (no console, just ssh) several times, on i386 and amd64, and wouldn't flinch at doing it again. To a large extent, the smoothness of doing so is related to how often you do it; if you go a year or two between upgrades, accumulated differences can make things really unpleasant, while doing it every few months is usually grass through a duck. > Personally I prefer the other option suggested by the OP: > - build a brand new router using whatever O/S and software revisions you > choose to be on Which is the other extreme. I've rarely been in a situation where I consider my "normal" method too risky and went with something like this, but "rarely" isn't "never". In the end, you always have to balance. In the OP's case, I wouldn't be too worried about just doing it in-place; whether that would apply for anyone else, I (obviously) couldn't say. > If you want it to come up on the same IP address then you may have > to clear ARP caches on some other devices on the same LAN > segment(s), but that's about it. If you got real smart, you could just pull the NIC and put it in the new box, so even if something was foolishly holding onto the MAC, it would still get there :) --=20 Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. _______________________________________________ freebsd-isp@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-isp To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-isp-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" DISCLAIMER This e-mail is intended only for the use of the addressees named above an= d may be confidential. = If you are not an addressee you must not use any information contained in= nor copy it nor inform any person other than the addressees of its exist= ence or contents. = If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the IT departme= nt on +44 207 001 0090 Internet communications cannot be guaranteed 100% secure, you should ther= efore take this potential lack of security into consideration when emaili= ng us as we do not accept legal responsibility for the security of the co= ntents of this or other emails. Whilst we take measures to prevent any vi= rus contamination of our computer systems, recipients of emails should al= ways ensure that they take their own precautions to avoid virus contamina= tion. =0D From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Apr 27 16:45:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 181CC16A400 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:45:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eric_delacruz@yahoo.com) Received: from web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.47]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A96BC43D46 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:45:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from eric_delacruz@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 77805 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Apr 2006 16:45:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BEFUBOMFFCLcWTzFvc+QOhhYIGSamPUXLaPyvEO+ONLCoPTGlELEtyIQYPlNRwXFBmk+vzEPf/znfCux5/ZElk6Hxtm42aggwTIM6kuY3QryuZkEGjZPyJ2oZ7dvErpVNKINaYO1izzgkPhubHQtMfySubghxSHaWKpvebfmoow= ; Message-ID: <20060427164556.77803.qmail@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [201.134.190.211] by web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:45:56 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 09:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Eric De La Cruz Lugo To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, john@day-light.com, wash@wananchi.com, smatlick@hordehost.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: acardenas@eldemonio.org Subject: Related to: http://ryxi.com/freebsd/68-149-courier-imap-not-starting-read.shtml X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:45:57 -0000 Hi all: I have problems right now with a Postfix+ Postfixadmin + Mysql + Courier-IMAP+Courier-auth+squirrelmail+apache2+FreeBSD 6.0 After 3 days i mannaged to have working the postfixadmin under apache2, I can create accounts, domains, etc, the Dir structure I got is the following: /home/postfix/sipse.com.mx/.Sent /edelacruz/cur /new /tmp I have Mysql 4.1.13 (installed from ports) I have postfix (installed from ports) I have courier-imap (installed from ports) I have squirrelmail (installed from ports) Postfix delivers the mails I send with Kmail, but when i want to check mails trough the pop3, i have errors saying: can't chdir Maildir With squirrel mail I got the following error: Connection dropped by imap-server I have followed the instructions here: http://www.bsd.org.pe/documentos/07110434139.html In order to make some test I have to change the MAILDIRPATH=Maildir variable inside the /usr/local/etc/courier-imap/imapd and /usr/local/etc/courier-pop3/pop3d files to the following value: MAILDIRPATH=sipse.com.mx/edelacruz/ with this change I can send and receive mail but only with the user edelacruz, I have another users also and if I change the MALDIRPATH=sipse.com.mx/account I can send and receive mail only in that account. where is the problem?, this is my firts mail server installation, so any hints or urls will be greatly appreciated. In MySQL 4.1.13 I have the postfixadmin tables and the mailbox table contains a maildir field with the proper value, but it seems that courier-imap is not taking that value when trying to connect to the 110 and 143 ports. Do you have any suggestion on this?. Thanks in advance. Eric De La Cruz Lugo Merida, Yucatan, Mexico. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From owner-freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 28 19:07:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317B316A401 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:07:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from proof.pobox.com (proof.pobox.com [207.106.133.28]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A99443D9F for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:07:36 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from b.candler@pobox.com) Received: from proof (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by proof.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD901082B7; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mappit.local.linnet.org (212-74-113-67.static.dsl.as9105.com [212.74.113.67]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by proof.sasl.smtp.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BC44357B; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists by mappit.local.linnet.org with local (Exim 4.61 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1FZYJL-0004Xs-HY; Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:07:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:07:27 +0100 From: Brian Candler To: Eric De La Cruz Lugo Message-ID: <20060428190727.GA17435@uk.tiscali.com> References: <20060427164556.77803.qmail@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060427164556.77803.qmail@web37309.mail.mud.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Cc: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org, smatlick@hordehost.com, acardenas@eldemonio.org Subject: Re: Related to: http://ryxi.com/freebsd/68-149-courier-imap-not-starting-read.shtml X-BeenThere: freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Internet Services Providers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 19:07:59 -0000 On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:45:56AM -0700, Eric De La Cruz Lugo wrote: > /home/postfix/sipse.com.mx/.Sent > /edelacruz/cur > /new > /tmp ... > Postfix delivers the mails I send with Kmail, but when > i want to check mails trough the pop3, i have errors > saying: > > can't chdir Maildir courier-imap first does a chdir(homedir), then does chdir(maildir) So how to make this work depends on what authentication module you are using for courier-imap's authdaemond. You will need to set it up so the account in question has homedir=/home/postfix/sipse.com.mx/edelacruz and MAILDIRPATH=. or homedir=/home/postfix and maildir=sipse.com.mx/edelacruz > In order to make some test I have to change the > MAILDIRPATH=Maildir variable inside the > /usr/local/etc/courier-imap/imapd and > /usr/local/etc/courier-pop3/pop3d files > > to the following value: > > MAILDIRPATH=sipse.com.mx/edelacruz/ That's a static default value which is shared by all accounts which don't have their own explicit 'maildir' setting. Like I say, this depends on exactly what authentication module you're using. If you're using authpam / authpwd / authshadow, then the accounts cannot have their own independent maildir setting, so you should set MAILDIRPATH=. and the homedir of each account to point to the right place. However if you're using authuserdb, authmysql, authpgsql or authldap, then you can configure each account to have both its own homedir and own maildir setting. If you're using authvchkpw then you'll have to look at the source code, as I don't know vpopmail. > > In MySQL 4.1.13 I have the postfixadmin tables and the > mailbox table contains a maildir field with the proper > value, but it seems that courier-imap is not taking > that value when trying to connect to the 110 and 143 > ports. Then show your authmysqlrc file, and a sample row from your mailbox table. Regards, Brian. 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