From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 01:50:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8670C16A420 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44E5413C467 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bighuge.lonesome.com (cpe-66-68-146-180.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.146.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B328C103 for ; Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:26:58 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon Organization: FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 13:27:19 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="Boundary-00=_XsHSHSrc2cK/qke" Message-Id: <200711241327.19479.linimon@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Subject: HEADSUP: some new port breakages on 5.x (but not 6.x and 7.x) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:50:55 -0000 --Boundary-00=_XsHSHSrc2cK/qke Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sometime in late July or early August, something changed in the infrastructure that broke installation of these 4 ports -- but only on 5.x. The cause is still under investigation. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know. mcl ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: cvs commit: ports/databases/virtuoso Makefile ports/security/squidclam Makefile ports/www/havp Makefile ports/x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome Makefile Date: Saturday 24 November 2007 From: Mark Linimon To: ports-committers@freebsd.org, cvs-ports@freebsd.org, cvs-all@freebsd.org linimon 2007-11-25 01:24:13 UTC FreeBSD ports repository Modified files: databases/virtuoso Makefile security/squidclam Makefile www/havp Makefile x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome Makefile Log: Mark as broken on 5.x: fails to find pthread.h. Something in the infrastructure changed in the late July timeframe that actually caused this problem. The only major thing at that time was the autoconf/libtool change, but I can't see how that could have caused this failure mode. It only happens on 5.x; 6.x and 7.x are fine. Approved by: portmgr (self) Revision Changes Path 1.9 +7 -2 ports/databases/virtuoso/Makefile 1.5 +5 -0 ports/security/squidclam/Makefile 1.8 +4 -0 ports/www/havp/Makefile 1.3 +1 -1 ports/x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome/Makefile ------------------------------------------------------- --Boundary-00=_XsHSHSrc2cK/qke Content-Type: text/plain; name="cvs commit: ports/databases/virtuoso Makefile ports/security/squidclam Makefile ports/www/havp Makefile ports/x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome Makefile" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit linimon 2007-11-25 01:24:13 UTC FreeBSD ports repository Modified files: databases/virtuoso Makefile security/squidclam Makefile www/havp Makefile x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome Makefile Log: Mark as broken on 5.x: fails to find pthread.h. Something in the infrastructure changed in the late July timeframe that actually caused this problem. The only major thing at that time was the autoconf/libtool change, but I can't see how that could have caused this failure mode. It only happens on 5.x; 6.x and 7.x are fine. Approved by: portmgr (self) Revision Changes Path 1.9 +7 -2 ports/databases/virtuoso/Makefile 1.5 +5 -0 ports/security/squidclam/Makefile 1.8 +4 -0 ports/www/havp/Makefile 1.3 +1 -1 ports/x11-drivers/xf86-video-openchrome/Makefile --Boundary-00=_XsHSHSrc2cK/qke-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 09:39:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2DE16A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:39:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunrychen@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55CE13C461 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sunrychen@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so309574nfb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:39:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=4Qs6ZKsRmJPCLH01BhuJCHoRAwawPB5Jv3f0lHtQxSM=; b=dp+DBw7ETTF9OulFNn+iq2Y9mj42XdhA9+KU6ahF8tKwwIomkiaw6e6KtUNnN1RL7BcbfxRNtADl/Y7jt1AJPfzYLFer9f1PqXvBvwE2mPhi5yXWuqlE4bPjMfkXzXfzgzMadlliopPny222nC4bSeEFhaiAm7fGua/AKuDD51g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j1cYSYK85N2K2/u/H3tx34V84qS2RdERAg5ixyYrQW8bikUZhF6J6DiD3cvd+jBtR0P/3OCw3c0hVE3sm3UPWrjsVWs40TXSUIg5HklwMwTCvLG/s02qw6UAMXA6JjC4bIc5qouo+Dw9j8WgKkxogZTfFrAWAZjZ8HK9c9yoLk4= Received: by 10.86.96.18 with SMTP id t18mr1434305fgb.1195983542703; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:39:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.98.1 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 01:39:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:39:02 +0800 From: "Sunry Chen" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, demon@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Please update x11-toolkits/fltk from 1.1.7 to current version X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 09:39:04 -0000 There's bug affect compiling remotely/in console: Fluid needs X connection to compile Fl_Help_View widgets(http://www.fltk.org/str.php?L1318) Which already fixed in current version 1.1.x-r5989. The version in ports tree is 1.1.7, I wish it could be updated while it affecting a new port's compiling, which I just submitted: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=118235 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 19:06:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E76EB16A41A for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zyagoda@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40FF13C468 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:06:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zyagoda@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so129408nzf for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:06:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; bh=9dozOCwQ45NvCFb1KaKfoznfyAY+lF5iyWvkKuG1tLw=; b=wDqnNCYUPRB5owwLKkzDQGuFC8bu0uTrDvVnBn1FegoebojSwNHJkPRQwx4xi8dG3wZ9TaXxGPe875ZaqAupi5zSNvb7aOXINYTGnlyL2i+bn39LLYeMb1GabPYrG/vbBQNyElxf8b4ARJ3ILtOJDQWQIl/0lJBlYb+fNrYVvlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type; b=aGP/qaorgqzqbYj9MVD/DJqFvFaE65XwWhPtaSYA/xkCD3FGpEgqsN5gg+DaYBF8Wu77RaYrsiylu7h9mDCUDO/YhDt7uxN8f7uSnzbTp/i0bXbcVVDdLqQHpMNPwJ/7B+gyin/S3iOOPhqANdCuacWJLbkMqyTsUSxn+yNcSUY= Received: by 10.114.111.1 with SMTP id j1mr1662870wac.1196015831920; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:37:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.76.8 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 10:37:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8b57e0980711251037r5ede60d0lfbe30a6469cefeb9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:37:11 +0300 From: "Elena Zaytseva" To: mi@aldan.algebra.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: libfpx-1.2.0.12_1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:06:20 -0000 Hi there! I am sorry to tell you, but i think this link doesnt work :( http://aldan.algebra.com/~mi/fpx.mega-patch.2007-11-01.bz2 Regards, Eleni From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 20:37:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7579416A418 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp5.clear.net.nz (smtp5.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416AB13C4EB for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:37:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from zmori.markir.net (121-72-84-55.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.72.84.55]) by smtp5.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JS2002J9WKL8430@smtp5.clear.net.nz> for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:21:58 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:21:53 +1300 From: Mark Kirkwood To: FreeBSD Ports Message-id: <4749D961.7020305@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary=------------050204030608050207010906 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071025) X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: libgphoto2-2.4.0 - PTPBUG_DELETE_SENDS_EVENT caused hang for Canon IXUS 55 and S3 IS X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:37:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050204030608050207010906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Recently I noticed that attempting to delete gphotos from my Canon IXUS 55 in gtkam would just hang. After some experimentation, combined with looking at older sources (which did not hang), I tracked the behaviour down to the PTPBUG_DELETE_SENDS_EVENT flags in libgphoto2. I purchased a Canon S3 IS for my parents, and briefly trialled this - noting the same behaviour. In both cases removing the PTPBUG_DELETE_SENDS_EVENT flag in camlibs/ptp2/library.c appeared to fix the issue. I've attached a patch for this. I guess this might be worth a pr, but I wondered if other Canon owners were seeing this? As the subject says, libgphoto2-2.4.0 is the version I'm patching. Cheers Mark --------------050204030608050207010906-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 21:33:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C410116A417; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:33:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F2C413C4D1; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:33:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3B1632219D35; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:33:44 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <4749EA3800006091F118C3@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0011521B1627; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:33:43 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289162219D21; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:33:43 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D6640248; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:33:39 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:33:39 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Alex Dupre Message-ID: <20071125213339.GB57513@k7.mavetju> References: <4747A1FB.9000707@FreeBSD.org> <4747E337.7060400@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4747E337.7060400@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Idea about the ports tree included in the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:33:45 -0000 On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:39:19AM +0100, Alex Dupre wrote: > Doug Barton wrote: > > In thinking about the guy who posted to -stable about using the tar'ed > > up version of the ports tree, I had an idea that would make that more > > useful. How hard would it be to include the c[v]sup checkouts file > > with the tarball, and install it into some standard location? > > And why not the portsnap database instead? It seems the > default/recommended method today. That would save me 42Mb to download each time :-P But euhm.. it should only be installed on systems which are installed cleanly, not on systems being upgraded via cdrom images. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 22:20:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6256516A417 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:20:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from raven.customer.vol.cz (raven.customer.vol.cz [195.250.144.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10A413C461 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:20:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (rb5dg130.net.upc.cz [89.176.238.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by raven.customer.vol.cz (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAPMJroe018182 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:19:56 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) From: Pav Lucistnik To: Mark Kirkwood In-Reply-To: <4749D961.7020305@paradise.net.nz> References: <4749D961.7020305@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9USjYV05AOFBf/BmjaLe" Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:19:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1196029193.85091.31.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Score: -3.978 () AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 195.250.144.108 X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: raven.customer.vol.cz; Sender-ip: 89.176.238.130; Sender-helo: [192.168.0.23]; ) Cc: FreeBSD Ports Subject: Re: libgphoto2-2.4.0 - PTPBUG_DELETE_SENDS_EVENT caused hang for Canon IXUS 55 and S3 IS X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 22:20:07 -0000 --=-9USjYV05AOFBf/BmjaLe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Kirkwood p=ED=B9e v po 26. 11. 2007 v 09:21 +1300: > Recently I noticed that attempting to delete gphotos from my Canon IXUS=20 > 55 in gtkam would just hang. After some experimentation, combined with=20 > looking at older sources (which did not hang), I tracked the behaviour=20 > down to the PTPBUG_DELETE_SENDS_EVENT flags in libgphoto2. >=20 > I purchased a Canon S3 IS for my parents, and briefly trialled this -=20 > noting the same behaviour. >=20 > In both cases removing the PTPBUG_DELETE_SENDS_EVENT flag in=20 > camlibs/ptp2/library.c appeared to fix the issue. >=20 > I've attached a patch for this. >=20 > I guess this might be worth a pr, but I wondered if other Canon owners=20 > were seeing this? >=20 > As the subject says, libgphoto2-2.4.0 is the version I'm patching. Hi, have you contacted gphoto authors about this? I'm sure they will be interested fixing this for the next release. --=20 Pav Lucistnik Shop at the Mobius Strip Mall: Always on the same side of the street! --=-9USjYV05AOFBf/BmjaLe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?UTF-8?Q?digit=C3=A1ln=C4=9B?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?UTF-8?Q?_=C4=8D=C3=A1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHSfUJntdYP8FOsoIRAralAJ93RGFmSbxPZvjYWatg2JT8rlh5FgCdFTk6 vZY1LcX6OvWyWQ6tXkwCLs8= =Ub/6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-9USjYV05AOFBf/BmjaLe-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 25 23:10:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E58E16A419 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:10:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D59A113C461 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 14648 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2007 23:10:31 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 25 Nov 2007 23:10:30 -0000 Message-ID: <474A007D.7010607@chuckr.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:08:45 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gergely CZUCZY References: <20071122072006.GA22956@harmless.hu> <47453327.7010305@FreeBSD.org> <20071122084002.GA31823@harmless.hu> In-Reply-To: <20071122084002.GA31823@harmless.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: RW , Doug Barton , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ports modifying system setups X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 23:10:32 -0000 Gergely CZUCZY wrote: > On Wed, Nov 21, 2007 at 11:43:35PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: >> Gergely CZUCZY wrote: >> >>> echo 'sevice_enable="YES"' >> /etc/rc.conf.local >> Yes, I think we all know how to go about this manually. The question >> at hand is whether or not it's possible or desirable to create the >> possibility of doing it for the user at port install time. >> >> If what you're trying to say here is that you don't find such a >> facility interesting or necessary, thanks for stating your opinion. > I said, that this can be done from the Makefile as well, if that OPTIONS > of yours is enabled. Seeing as I was gone (really way gone) from the FreeBSD community for a while, but I used to be very closely associated, I felt that it was possible that because I had seen both environments (several other unixes, like Solaris and different Linuxes) and FreeBSD, that before I stopped seeing things as novel, I might be able to point out some differences that might be useful. I've seen a lot of knee-jerk responses to anything new; this group isn't the largest, but they ARE the loudest. I'm not sayiing I'm right, but I AM saying that it's worth some serious consideration. I'm suggesting a number of ideas that just might be worth adding. In this case, what I meant was to change the rules, the commonly accepted methods, for ports to install daemons, to that they directly patch an rc file, not to make some change in bsd.port.mk, but it really wouldn't be all that hard to code up some macro to do this, so perhaps the idea is sound. I'm currenlty going to present something regarding adding a ports screening method, but that's a much harder thing to code. This macro handler, that would be comparatively easy. I see that we need to decide whether to do it or not, but that decision can wait until I have a macro, a diff to gbsd.port.mk coded up, so we don't discuss this twice (you can kill the idea very well then, you['re not going to lose the opportunity). The only things I see to decide NOW are: 1) name of this proposed macro. I like INSTALL_DAEMON_NAME, do you? 2) the name of the file to carry the resulting definitions. It could be /etc/rc.local, I saw that suggested, but I would like to say why I like $(PREFIX)/local/etc/rc.d. I would rather that the dividing line between any and all system stuff and ports stuff be very very firm and clear. I detest the Linux habit of folding /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin together, and I would really want to maintain FreeBSD's current stance on this. Next couple days, I will show you folks a diff about this. We can make the changes on the two items above rather easily then, but you might want to post your feelings now on it. Save the argument over the entire notion until I get a diff ready. I mean, that's the FreeBSD way, that no one gets any sort of prior blanket approval, and I wouldn't change it for the world. > > Sincerely, > > Gergely Czuczy > mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:06:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2687416A47A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCB1D13C478 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 32407 invoked by uid 399); 26 Nov 2007 01:06:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2007 01:06:49 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <474A1C28.8070106@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:06:48 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <4747A1FB.9000707@FreeBSD.org> <20071124151306.13d7368a@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071124151306.13d7368a@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Idea about the ports tree included in the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:06:56 -0000 RW wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:00:59 -0800 > Doug Barton wrote: >> How hard would it be to include the c[v]sup checkouts file >> with the tarball, and install it into some standard location? I think >> that would greatly increase the utility of the tarball, since you >> could start from there and immediately update to the latest version >> without having to pull down the whole tree again. > > c[v]sup doesn't have to pull the whole tree again if it doesn't have a > checkout file, it's just a kind of metadata cache that speeds things up > and reduces the server load. I think you dramatically misunderstand what I'm suggesting, and why it would be beneficial. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 01:43:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB9D16A421 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2186613C47E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from bighuge.lonesome.com (cpe-66-68-146-180.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.146.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4E88C0E1 for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:43:21 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Linimon Organization: FreeBSD.org To: ports@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 13:43:45 -0600 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711251343.46332.linimon@FreeBSD.org> Cc: Subject: [HEADSUP] new package status/statistics uploaded to portsmon.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:43:22 -0000 I've been generating these locally but not uploading them. Now, they are up-to-date. If you are interested in what the state of the packages is on the various architectures, these pages will be of interest. Of particular interest to ports committers is the new page http://portsmon.freebsd.org/checkpackages.html. This shows the status of the packages that go on disc1 and disc2 of the release CDs. When you click on the table header for each buildenv, it will take you to a page that shows the complete package status for that buildenv, including whether packages are marked IGNORE or BROKEN, or simply have errors. For each package in the checkpackages page, you'll need to search the most right-hand column of the status page to find out what package is blocking it, if it's a dependency of something else. The overall comparison amongst buildenvs is at the following: http://portsmon.freebsd.org/chartsandgraphs/package_comparison.html. That's a good "start here". Everything else is shown on http://portsmon.freebsd.org/chartsandgraphs/index.html. Note that all this data is as of the last port building run (not whichever one is currently in progress), so certain errors may already have been fixed. The information is all there -- but you may have to do a little bit of detective work with e.g. the individual port pages and the cvsweb links. For instance, amd64-7, i386-7, and sparc64-6 have been unblocked by the most recent commits. However, sparc64-7 is still blocked on x11/gnome2 via the build error in devel/pwlib, which appears to have happened when the threading libraries were switched. (Anyone willing to help track that down?) mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:21:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A412816A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.kelly.hays@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B93713C46B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.kelly.hays@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so277618wra for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:21:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=RH+GkY1msbZxmQuQBoK/M/kriWVDZ5jWbLp41GV9+Lc=; b=lKoHTR0oeAMjJd9Fkh6iBxbKVpcPvKrOaxkGqs/RpnpKkcopdaizj49sopGd6tLg0I6iCcaBxGYRH2ZkRl5BYb2hYRthFz/7KEojKWy95n3arZ6xdg41rBOM+4FUbBBqEtSf1dyzPSfoMKl8MKlWbKkv3RZAyuQwsv1sAUjXHbc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=x5aK3Ehv72QKdduCYVzCa/+fBWlJrUgqtb1UqRbR2JiV8b0AXSKual0uR7MrFMnJWm4BcII3plmpX+PiGj0UzdGdvdQsSqt4LCh9uSzhjlN3fVMy9GF0V+M2yq7rhKl5B35Js+NhVBLzKpTB1ezxiJKlJoGqKQCmWSle3BKJGgQ= Received: by 10.142.165.9 with SMTP id n9mr178906wfe.1196042001558; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.212.17 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:53:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4f615770711251753j75f5ee16h3b490f619d15654b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:53:21 -0600 From: "Kelly Hays" To: "Doug Barton" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071107085538.GA70315@heechee.tobez.org> Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Can't "see" my docked monitor - xorg or nvidia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:21:54 -0000 Doug, Did you ever get this working? I have a simular problem and the workaround I found is to use the "nvidia-driver-96xx" port instead of the regular "nvidia-driver" port. I can not remember the exact model of the Dell FP display that I have ( it is at work) but it is the same resolution (1600x1200). On Nov 11, 2007 4:01 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > Thanks for responding, sorry it took so long to get back to you, > $REAL_LIFE is in my face lately. > > >> All my ports are up to date, including kde 3.5.8, and nvidia-driver > >> 100.14.19. I also tried with and without the -ignoreABI option, no change. > >> I should also point out that I'm using kdm, but I was using it before the > >> upgrade too. Turning kdm off and using startx has no effect (still comes up > >> only on the laptop screen). > > > >> Any suggestions? > > > > The content of /var/log/Xorg.0.log might be useful, > > http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/Xorg.0.log > > There are a couple of interesting sections: > (II) PCI: Probing config type using method 1 > (II) PCI: Config type is 1 > (II) PCI: stages = 0x03, oldVal1 = 0x00000000, mode1Res1 = 0x80000000 > (WW) OS did not count PCI devices, guessing wildly > > and > (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on Quadro NVS 110M at > PCI:1:0:0: > (--) NVIDIA(0): DELL 2001FP (CRT-0) > (--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0) > (--) NVIDIA(0): DELL 2001FP (CRT-0): 400.0 MHz maximum pixel clock > (--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0): 330.0 MHz maximum pixel clock > (--) NVIDIA(0): LPL (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link LVDS > > That all looks right, but > > (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Device: DFP-0 > > That should not be, since the only screen mentioned in xorg.conf > (http://people.freebsd.org/~dougb/xorg.conf) is the 2001FP. > > (WW) NVIDIA(0): No valid modes for "1600x1200"; removing. > > This makes sense because the laptop screen doesn't do that resolution, > it's for the 2001FP. > > > but also try and play with xrandr. Xrandr --verbose should tell you > > what outputs i actually sees, and then you can disable/enable individual > > outputs and see what happens. > > Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 900 > default connected 1440x900+0+0 (0x19a) normal (normal) 0mm x 0mm > Identifier: 0x199 > Timestamp: 811385259 > Subpixel: unknown > Clones: > CRTC: 0 > CRTCs: 0 > 1440x900 (0x19a) 64.8MHz > h: width 1440 start 0 end 0 total 1440 skew 0 clock > 45.0KHz > v: height 900 start 0 end 0 total 900 clock > 50.0Hz > ... > > No mention of the 2001FP at all. > > > Thanks again, > > Doug > If my info will help I'll be glad to gather any needed details tomorrow at work. Let me know if you find a solution and I will try it here too. Thanks, Kelly From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:24:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9004816A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2980A13C4EC for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 15966 invoked by uid 399); 26 Nov 2007 02:24:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2007 02:24:14 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <474A2E4C.7040207@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:24:12 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kelly Hays References: <20071107085538.GA70315@heechee.tobez.org> <4f615770711251753j75f5ee16h3b490f619d15654b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4f615770711251753j75f5ee16h3b490f619d15654b@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X Can't "see" my docked monitor - xorg or nvidia? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:24:15 -0000 Kelly Hays wrote: > Doug, > Did you ever get this working? I have a simular problem and the > workaround I found is to use the "nvidia-driver-96xx" port instead of > the regular "nvidia-driver" port. I can not remember the exact model > of the Dell FP display that I have ( it is at work) but it is the same > resolution (1600x1200). No, I never got it working with the latest version of the driver. I downgraded the port to 100.14.11 instead of using the 96xx stuff, but the issue with the latest driver remains. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:43:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE5A16A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494E513C457 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:43:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 8077 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 02:43:53 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 26 Nov 2007 02:43:53 -0000 Message-ID: <474A327F.6050804@chuckr.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:42:07 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Barton References: <474262D5.3010603@highperformance.net> <47459C80.8000206@highperformance.net> <4745C795.5020101@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4745C795.5020101@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Package Building in the Large X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:43:59 -0000 Doug Barton wrote: > Jason C. Wells wrote: >> Doug Barton wrote: >>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Jason C. Wells wrote: >>> >>>> What I am trying to do is to build 30 or so packages including the >>>> big ones like X, kde, gnome, plus all of their dependencies on a >>>> build host and then use pkg_add on various machines. I have had a >>>> variety of difficulties with all of the methods I have used thus far >>>> (portmaster, portupgrade, homegrown). >>> What problems did you have with portmaster? Did the backup package >>> creation fail in some way? >>> >> Not all dependencies had a package built for them. For my list of 31 >> ports that I actually desired to build there was a dependency list (make >> all-depends-list) of 758 ports. Of those 758 ports there were 427 >> packages built. > > That's disturbing, but I think I know why it happened, see below. I'm more disturbed that this piece of news isn't common knowledge. Those numbers actually understate the problem. Just one commonly required port, one of the browsers like Firefox, alone brings in over 300 dependencies. At least in my own opinion, the largest part of that dependency list is VERY weakly required, mainly a matter of a porter saying to himself "I have that port, I like it a lot, everybody should have it" and not "this port won't run without that port" That's my own main motivation behind all that work I'm doing aboout making a ports keyword list, so as to better control the growth of dependency lists. It's no problem at all to show ludicrous examples of overly agressive dependency lists taking the choices of what ports to add out of the hands of the users. As soon as I get the keyword list written (asnd who knows, maybe accepted?), then I intend to push what I see as the second part of this, a tool that looks at what ports are installed, the state of your keyword lists, and a user's personal interests, and make suggestions of what ports a user might find interesting. Sort of a ports-advertiser. This would take the place of overly agressive dependency lists, but not by removing the user from the process, but instead by making that user's selection job easier to make. Such a tool could have a link to a ports installer, even, so as to further ease things, but not to remove the choice from the user, as it's moving towards today. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:52:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7060516A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:52:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 117BF13C45D for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 18028 invoked by uid 399); 26 Nov 2007 02:26:11 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2007 02:26:11 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <474A2EC1.8080003@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:26:09 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edwin Groothuis References: <4747A1FB.9000707@FreeBSD.org> <4747E337.7060400@FreeBSD.org> <20071125213339.GB57513@k7.mavetju> In-Reply-To: <20071125213339.GB57513@k7.mavetju> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Alex Dupre Subject: Re: Idea about the ports tree included in the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:52:53 -0000 Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:39:19AM +0100, Alex Dupre wrote: >> Doug Barton wrote: >>> In thinking about the guy who posted to -stable about using the tar'ed >>> up version of the ports tree, I had an idea that would make that more >>> useful. How hard would it be to include the c[v]sup checkouts file >>> with the tarball, and install it into some standard location? >> And why not the portsnap database instead? It seems the >> default/recommended method today. > > That would save me 42Mb to download each time :-P > > But euhm.. it should only be installed on systems which are installed > cleanly, not on systems being upgraded via cdrom images. Assuming I understand what you mean, I think one of two things would happen: 1. The drive that the ports tree is on would be reformatted, therefore the new one could be installed, or 2. The drive would not be reformatted, therefore the old (and presumably already functional) ports tree would still be there. Maybe I'm missing something though? Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:55:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2784416A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA84E13C45B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQ2spxC008024; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:54:52 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <474A3581.4050501@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:54:57 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071118 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chuck Robey References: <474262D5.3010603@highperformance.net> <47459C80.8000206@highperformance.net> <4745C795.5020101@FreeBSD.org> <474A327F.6050804@chuckr.org> In-Reply-To: <474A327F.6050804@chuckr.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Jason C. Wells" , Doug Barton , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Package Building in the Large X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:55:00 -0000 Chuck Robey wrote: > Doug Barton wrote: >> Jason C. Wells wrote: >>> Doug Barton wrote: >>>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Jason C. Wells wrote: >>>> >>>>> What I am trying to do is to build 30 or so packages including the >>>>> big ones like X, kde, gnome, plus all of their dependencies on a >>>>> build host and then use pkg_add on various machines. I have had a >>>>> variety of difficulties with all of the methods I have used thus far >>>>> (portmaster, portupgrade, homegrown). >>>> What problems did you have with portmaster? Did the backup package >>>> creation fail in some way? >>>> >>> Not all dependencies had a package built for them. For my list of 31 >>> ports that I actually desired to build there was a dependency list (make >>> all-depends-list) of 758 ports. Of those 758 ports there were 427 >>> packages built. >> >> That's disturbing, but I think I know why it happened, see below. > > I'm more disturbed that this piece of news isn't common knowledge. Those > numbers actually understate the problem. Just one commonly required > port, one of the browsers like Firefox, alone brings in over 300 > dependencies. xorg itself brings in 262 dependencies. It is because metaports like xorg and gnome2 have been split into smaller and smaller ports. Thus far, I have never installed a port that I felt brought in unwanted dependencies. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 02:58:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1423E16A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF2D013C46B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:58:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQ2wb8P008063; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:58:37 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <474A3663.5040908@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:58:43 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071118 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <474262D5.3010603@highperformance.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020506090808000505050209" Cc: Subject: Re: Package Building in the Large X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 02:58:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020506090808000505050209 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Doug Barton wrote: > On Mon, 19 Nov 2007, Jason C. Wells wrote: > >> What I am trying to do is to build 30 or so packages including the big >> ones like X, kde, gnome, plus all of their dependencies on a build >> host and then use pkg_add on various machines. I have had a variety >> of difficulties with all of the methods I have used thus far >> (portmaster, portupgrade, homegrown). What I do is this. After building the ports I want (and I admit that I use vanilla "cd the-port; make install clean", I run a little script I call "make-packages." And after I have updated the ports, I run a program called "make-packages-purge" to get rid of the old stuff. I enclose them as attachments. --------------020506090808000505050209 Content-Type: text/plain; name="make-packages" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="make-packages" #!/usr/bin/make -f PACKAGES?=/usr/home/stephen/packages-7 PKG_DBDIR?=/var/db/pkg PORTSDIR?=/usr/ports PKG_LIST!=ls ${PKG_DBDIR} all: ${PKG_LIST:C+(.*)+${PACKAGES}/All/\1.tbz+} .for target in ${PKG_LIST} ${PACKAGES}/All/${target}.tbz: ${PKG_DBDIR}/${target}/+CONTENTS @origin=${PORTSDIR}/`sed -n 's/@comment ORIGIN://p' \ ${PKG_DBDIR}/${target}/+CONTENTS`; \ if [ $$origin != ${PORTSDIR}/ ] && [ -e $$origin ] && (! [ -e $$origin/work ] || [ -e $$origin/work/.install_done* ]); then \ echo creating package ${target}; \ make -C $$origin PACKAGES=${PACKAGES} package-links; \ pkg_create -GjY -b ${target} $@ || (rm -f $@ && false); \ fi .endfor .BEGIN: @mkdir -p ${PACKAGES}/All --------------020506090808000505050209 Content-Type: text/plain; name="make-packages-purge" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="make-packages-purge" #!/bin/sh PACKAGES=/usr/home/stephen/packages-7 DB=/var/db/pkg for p in `ls $PACKAGES/All | sed s/\.tbz//`; do if ! [ -e ${DB}/$p ]; then rm -i $PACKAGES/All/$p.tbz fi done for l in `find $PACKAGES -type l`; do if ! stat -q -L $l > /dev/null; then rm -f $l fi done --------------020506090808000505050209-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 03:00:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A19916A417; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:00:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A742113C45B; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 9AED92219DCC; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:00:39 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <474A36D700001E84862ABD@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A54E21B16BF; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:00:39 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D551D2219D21; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:00:38 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 46CF5AB; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:00:38 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:00:38 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Doug Barton Message-ID: <20071126030038.GC57513@k7.mavetju> References: <4747A1FB.9000707@FreeBSD.org> <4747E337.7060400@FreeBSD.org> <20071125213339.GB57513@k7.mavetju> <474A2EC1.8080003@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474A2EC1.8080003@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Alex Dupre , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Idea about the ports tree included in the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:00:42 -0000 On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 06:26:09PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:39:19AM +0100, Alex Dupre wrote: > >> Doug Barton wrote: > >>> In thinking about the guy who posted to -stable about using the tar'ed > >>> up version of the ports tree, I had an idea that would make that more > >>> useful. How hard would it be to include the c[v]sup checkouts file > >>> with the tarball, and install it into some standard location? > >> And why not the portsnap database instead? It seems the > >> default/recommended method today. > > > > That would save me 42Mb to download each time :-P > > > > But euhm.. it should only be installed on systems which are installed > > cleanly, not on systems being upgraded via cdrom images. > > Assuming I understand what you mean, I think one of two things would > happen: Oh wait. The cvsup checkouts file is probably a small (set of) file(s) with some revision information, while the portsnap file is a huge chunk of data with a copy of the ports tree. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 03:08:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CC216A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3E09213C469 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 27391 invoked by uid 399); 26 Nov 2007 03:08:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2007 03:08:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <474A38A9.3040206@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:08:25 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edwin Groothuis References: <4747A1FB.9000707@FreeBSD.org> <4747E337.7060400@FreeBSD.org> <20071125213339.GB57513@k7.mavetju> <474A2EC1.8080003@FreeBSD.org> <20071126030038.GC57513@k7.mavetju> In-Reply-To: <20071126030038.GC57513@k7.mavetju> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alex Dupre , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Idea about the ports tree included in the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:08:34 -0000 Edwin Groothuis wrote: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2007 at 06:26:09PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: >> Edwin Groothuis wrote: >>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 09:39:19AM +0100, Alex Dupre wrote: >>>> Doug Barton wrote: >>>>> In thinking about the guy who posted to -stable about using the tar'ed >>>>> up version of the ports tree, I had an idea that would make that more >>>>> useful. How hard would it be to include the c[v]sup checkouts file >>>>> with the tarball, and install it into some standard location? >>>> And why not the portsnap database instead? It seems the >>>> default/recommended method today. >>> That would save me 42Mb to download each time :-P >>> >>> But euhm.. it should only be installed on systems which are installed >>> cleanly, not on systems being upgraded via cdrom images. >> Assuming I understand what you mean, I think one of two things would >> happen: > > Oh wait. The cvsup checkouts file is probably a small (set of) > file(s) with some revision information, Right, it's a single file whose format is: F 5 1196039185 D ports V ports/.cvsignore,v 3#1e71#110#11782530584#11204#root5#wheel3#4441#0 V ports/CHANGES,v 3#1e71#110#11902805645#937964#root5#wheel3#4441#0 V ports/COPYRIGHT,v 3#1e71#110#11782530594#24604#root5#wheel3#4441#0 V ports/GIDs,v 3#1e71#110#11891345385#141814#root5#wheel3#4441#0 V ports/KNOBS,v 3#1e71#110#11888033805#104554#root5#wheel3#4441#0 V ports/LEGAL,v 3#1e71#110#11934328226#2750624#root5#wheel3#4441#0 V ports/MOVED,v 3#1e71#110#11941329996#7698754#root5#wheel3#4441#0 V ports/Makefile,v 3#1e71#110#11908713865#603194#root5#wheel3#4441#0 D ports/Mk ... Mine is about 19M, but I leave out the language-specific parts of the tree. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 05:20:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D02016A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:20:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE1D313C461 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:20:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1298434pyb for ; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:20:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M/5f0Acf54y0I+ivqIbuctqkk30vmHiJAINFslLSVi8=; b=L4JdhV0ZICXxt3wReodvM56Aq4X50lC96vk5rl7WsmYuBHdiXVugCWOq/edHmwVTtgrQeFORekeySw0D9FUXCDghwh3wa4tuRfjdaEipHv/ofg75P/jDF4pnFHbFS6dJjAtbcUy7O0Cx2I8szajGhVeNLISbMiqzV2AS+fUH2V0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=edny6FH6U6e0yDrar1QP9yiYnIH7WrWXLO/2dE6POmf1QDjEHyjmAfP5qMl2mwC6n4KFU3fNrftgYGo2obqo4jc4tK/+82sp4aYwu7/WkkOpS8E1Cr1M+UzMi+hbbz1p9aAfvwPiAH0d60hFe+8z4p0cqlVgOmvrx54XZvUUWYk= Received: by 10.65.224.11 with SMTP id b11mr5066278qbr.1196054403606; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:20:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c6sm891205qbc.2007.11.25.21.20.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:20:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:19:59 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:20:05 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Due to a ISP firewall it is not possible for me to send/recv mail how do I submit a new port since send-pr requires email? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSld/J9+1V27SttsRAsFJAJ928L/E/JnA0zOHrp/2kc4u7fxNHACfbXog zIBUl4eyOoYjFg/ut5wNNwU= =kpcW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 05:46:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F156C16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E057813C45A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:46:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 348E81CC07B; Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:46:36 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:46:36 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071126054636.GA5961@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:46:39 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 12:19:59AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Due to a ISP firewall it is not possible for me to send/recv mail how > do I submit a new port since send-pr requires email? If your ISP filters outbound TCP port 25, then it means they're probably doing so to stop/curb spam or trojans that proliferate through SMTP. They likely leave TCP port 587 open to the world (but there's no guarantee of that either). Every ISP I've seen who does the above outbound filtering does so while providing their own SMTP server available for customer use -- and provides a firewall hole for communicating with their own SMTP servers on TCP port 25. If your ISP filters outbound port 25 and doesn't offer you an SMTP server of their own for use, then that's truly bizarre and you should discuss it with your ISP. You should be able to set up a local mailer/MTA (sendmail, postfix, etc.) and tell it to use your ISP's mail server on TCP port 25, and it all should just "magically work" unless they require SMTP AUTH (not many do from what I've seen; they base authentication on the source IP of customers). sendmail refers to this feature as SMART_HOST, while postfix refers to it as a transport destination (see transport(5)). -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 06:10:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB4516A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:10:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) Received: from ms05.mailstreet2003.net (ms05.mailstreet2003.net [69.25.50.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D706C13C447 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:10:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:01:14 -0500 Message-ID: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730896@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> In-Reply-To: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken Thread-Index: Acgv7BaCqLHweqx0Q76c2M6DpWWwfgABWJZQ References: <474A577F.3090307@gmail.com> From: "Chris Haulmark" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , Cc: Subject: RE: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:10:49 -0000 Hi Aryeh!=20 > Due to a ISP firewall it is not possible for me to send/recv mail how > do I submit a new port since send-pr requires email? If you have a web browser, you can submit it via FreeBSD's website: http://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html The link is "Submit a Problem Report". Chris > - -- > Aryeh M. Friedman > Developer, not business, friendly > http://www.flosoft-systems.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org >=20 > iD8DBQFHSld/J9+1V27SttsRAsFJAJ928L/E/JnA0zOHrp/2kc4u7fxNHACfbXog > zIBUl4eyOoYjFg/ut5wNNwU=3D > =3DkpcW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports- > unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 07:12:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B382716A420 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:12:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@FreeBSD.org) Received: from lab.alexdupre.com (cl-506.trn-01.it.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:1418:100:1f9::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACD313C4D1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:12:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 62601 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 07:12:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO athlon.alexdupre.com) (192.168.178.2) by lab.alexdupre.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 07:12:22 -0000 Message-ID: <474A71D6.5030202@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:12:22 +0100 From: Alex Dupre User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071123) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edwin Groothuis References: <4747A1FB.9000707@FreeBSD.org> <4747E337.7060400@FreeBSD.org> <20071125213339.GB57513@k7.mavetju> <474A2EC1.8080003@FreeBSD.org> <20071126030038.GC57513@k7.mavetju> In-Reply-To: <20071126030038.GC57513@k7.mavetju> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Doug Barton , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Idea about the ports tree included in the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:12:25 -0000 Edwin Groothuis wrote: >>> That would save me 42Mb to download each time :-P > > Oh wait. The cvsup checkouts file is probably a small (set of) > file(s) with some revision information, while the portsnap file is > a huge chunk of data with a copy of the ports tree. Well, even better: instead of the ports tree tarball (+ cvsup files) we could have *only* the portsnap database on the CD, and let portsnap do the extract work at install time. -- Alex Dupre From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 07:13:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF20C16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from galain.elvandar.org (galain.elvandar.org [217.148.169.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8148913C442 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:13:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost.we-dare.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=galain.elvandar.org) by galain.elvandar.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IwY9S-000EM1-Be; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:13:06 +0100 Received: from 194.74.82.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user remko) by galain.elvandar.org with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:13:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <12641.194.74.82.3.1196061186.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:13:06 +0100 (CET) From: "Remko Lodder" To: "Chris Haulmark" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@elvandar.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 07:13:08 -0000 On Mon, November 26, 2007 7:01 am, Chris Haulmark wrote: > Hi Aryeh! >> Due to a ISP firewall it is not possible for me to send/recv mail how >> do I submit a new port since send-pr requires email? > > If you have a web browser, you can submit it via FreeBSD's website: > > http://www.freebsd.org/support/bugreports.html > > The link is "Submit a Problem Report". > > Chris > Indeed, that is the online version, be sure to mark the correct category etc though (Aryeh did that wrong when submitting the bug). -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 08:55:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C1B16A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABA513C43E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:55:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1407078pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:55:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8979OfT+axfsBXweIPPvtXE0w7iU2iIdCexTXV+GAvI=; b=um7FXGjMOT/K7cMW4zeeaC7RPxI0RjDLWiTVEzxYZokEdRngF8KDu/9bWt52Innkvz/QB4FMtYn3Glt77So/Ln89FIm71/HKG6xMbDe0W/QWRxDCm42e12TlHwVol7ETCdZp7UbdAAWgVm/bPUGUbR3g3vxNKFpskI7333DSsUo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D7O2HviRuw+Hbi6Ue0PPso35Qi/USNoPp1+n0f6f7LkLNO+1Nd30Tnv80DD7hVdXCmtttcB7tZMEqB8HiDgEEyN6tEpXdRR0L8lW+9puanwW8+3wPcEN8+YJRxPGyFHCSRYl8OCvrgGasprBVRsm6BhUp8L9OAAJtezFnSr/15M= Received: by 10.64.201.7 with SMTP id y7mr5400482qbf.1196067304236; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm986746qbh.2007.11.26.00.55.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 00:55:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474A89E6.6080706@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 03:55:02 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: remko@elvandar.org References: <12641.194.74.82.3.1196061186.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> In-Reply-To: <12641.194.74.82.3.1196061186.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chris Haulmark , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:55:05 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > Indeed, that is the online version, be sure to mark the correct category > etc though (Aryeh did that wrong when submitting the bug). Ok how is ports not the right category for graphics/libfpx ? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHSonlJ9+1V27SttsRAghvAJ9RUSqXVAoLYr7L6z8dVNupVEc27ACgkhsi uBRz/JKpFnetKJHTd0kjLj8= =tYHD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 09:21:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471FD16A421 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:21:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from galain.elvandar.org (galain.elvandar.org [217.148.169.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A16A13C4DD for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:21:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost.we-dare.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=galain.elvandar.org) by galain.elvandar.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IwaA5-000Fwm-6C; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:21:53 +0100 Received: from 194.74.82.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user remko) by galain.elvandar.org with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:21:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <28872.194.74.82.3.1196068913.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:21:53 +0100 (CET) From: "Remko Lodder" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: Chris Haulmark , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Submitting a new port if send-pr is broken X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@elvandar.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:21:55 -0000 On Mon, November 26, 2007 9:55 am, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >> >> Indeed, that is the online version, be sure to mark the correct category >> etc though (Aryeh did that wrong when submitting the bug). > > Ok how is ports not the right category for graphics/libfpx ? > The ticket was submitted to freebsd-bugs with the category misc; it should have been freebsd-ports-bugs with category ports, so yes the ports category is correct; but it wasn't like that. > -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 10:15:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4826F16A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr [IPv6:2001:470:1f05:d8:3::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3E3A13C478 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bh@izb.knu.ac.kr) Received: by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix, from userid 59) id A8DB43EE1; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:15:56 +0900 (KST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-48.6 required=15.1 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VERIFIED autolearn=disabled version=3.2.3 Received: from pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (localhost.izb.knu.ac.kr [127.0.0.1]) by pinus.izb.knu.ac.kr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC583EE0 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:15:47 +0900 (KST) Comment: DKIM? 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Friedman wrote: > Due to a ISP firewall it is not possible for me to send/recv mail how > do I submit a new port since send-pr requires email? according to the Jeremy's guidance, i would give you one information: http://souptonuts.sourceforge.net/postfix_tutorial.html that's easy if you like postfix. after all, your send-pr(1) will reach to mx1.freebsd.org via Gmail's magic smtp ;; -- "That sounds like another great story." -- Kay Adams, "Chapter 1", page 42 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:06:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCA716A418 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E46B13C4D1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAQB66pc024472 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:06:06 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id lAQB65qp024468 for freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:06:05 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:06:05 GMT Message-Id: <200711261106.lAQB65qp024468@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD ports list Cc: Subject: Current unassigned ports problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:06:06 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. r - repocopy The resolution of the problem report is dependent on a repocopy operation within the CVS repository which is awaiting completion. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f ports/117270 [UPDATE] net/asterisk-addons to 1.4.4 1 problem total. Serious problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o ports/106369 vpnd caused kernel panic with ppp mode o ports/106372 vpnd can't run with slip mode f ports/108077 www/linux-flashplugin9 crashes linux-firefox f ports/108413 net/vnc does not works. f ports/112385 sysutils/lookupd on Kernel 64 f ports/112921 x11-wm/Beryl not loading focus and keybinding settings f ports/113144 print/ghostscript-gnu dumps core with several output d f ports/115818 Executable clash between databases/grass and ruby gems f ports/116378 xorg 7.3 on -stable breaks math/scilab f ports/116385 net/vnc using vnc.so crashes Xorg 7.3 when remote comp f ports/116586 net/isc-dhcp3-server does not work when compiled with o ports/116611 devel/p5-gearmand - rename to devel/p5-Gearman-Server f ports/116753 multimedia/MPlayer crashes after playing *.flv on 7.0- f ports/116777 The math/scilab port fails in demos->signal->bode. f ports/116778 security/nmap ping-scan misses some hosts f ports/116949 security/vpnc: Some Cisco Concentrators refuse Connect o ports/117025 multimedia/pwcbsd: Pwcbsd-1.4.0 + New USBStack not wor o ports/117119 new port: emulators/dboxfe, a front-end to DosBox conf f ports/117128 security/ipsec-tools racoon.sh fails with /var on mfs o ports/117144 sysutils/nut : ACL with IPv6 address rejected o ports/117145 [PATCH] math/dislin - update to 9.2 f ports/117196 Port net/asterisk-addons 1.4.2 fails to compile f ports/117686 print/fontforge : extract fails when building with NOP o ports/117689 [update] games/ftjava o ports/117792 new version of sysutils/Kgtk port o ports/117882 mail/prayer needs update f ports/117886 ports: net/nss_ldap 257 size mismatch from source PADL o ports/117942 net/redir: fix core dump on redir f ports/117956 HP LaserJet 1022 not working after upgrade to print/HP o ports/117985 ftp/jftpgw: has incorrect startup script o ports/118031 update net/smb4k to latest version o ports/118072 update databases/slony1 to latest o ports/118077 fix broken port: editors/nvi-devel broken since gcc-4. f ports/118151 [www/zope29] post-install breaks zope instances f ports/118173 net/gatekeeper port doesn't honor LOCALBASE setting o ports/118224 net/samba: smbd 3.0.26a panics 36 problems total. Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f ports/101166 bittorrent-curses only works under English locales. o ports/107354 net/icmpinfo: icmpinfo -vvv does not recocnize any ICM a ports/107447 [patch] devel/sdl12 - Add devel/directfb support f ports/107937 jailed net/isc-dhcp3-server wouldn't run with an immut f ports/111399 print/ghostscript-gpl: ghostscript-gpl WITH_FT_BRIDGE f ports/111456 [UPDATE] finance/pfpro updated distinfo f ports/112887 net/nxserver 1.4.0_1 fails to compile after upgrading f ports/113423 Update for ports net/freenx to version 0.6.0 f ports/114127 net/vnc - vnc.so installed to bad location f ports/114825 pam module security/pam_abl not working s ports/115216 ADA devel/florist exit_process program doesn't compile s ports/115217 Ada devel/florist socket program doesn't compile due t f ports/115304 multimedia/gpac-mp4box cannot import files larger than f ports/115336 port multimedia/avifile on FreeBSD 7.0 not BROKEN with f ports/115401 Update port: graphics/ipe Version 6.0pre28 of Ipe that f ports/115627 www/Lynx (-ssl) does not correctly test for OpenSSL o ports/115654 [UPDATE] devel/sdl12 to 1.2.12 o ports/115656 [UPDATE] graphics/sdl_ttf to 2.0.9 o ports/115657 [UPDATE] net/sdl_net to 1.2.7 o ports/115658 [UPDATE] audio/sdl_mixer to 1.2.8 o ports/115660 [UPDATE] graphics/sdl_image to 1.2.6 f ports/116037 multimedia/dvd-slideshow has been updated from 0.7.5 t f ports/116058 Update: x11-themes/gtk-qt-engine to version 0.8 f ports/116120 [patch] x11-toolkits/gtkdatabox2: update to 0.7.0.1 f ports/116142 devel/cvsweb3 coloured side-by-side stopped working wh f ports/116226 x11-wm/compiz - emerald and compiz-fusion and scim are o ports/116274 New port: lang/nbc NBC is a programming language for t f ports/116323 net-im/jabber-users-agent bugs f ports/116333 math/isabelle fails to build with SML/NJ; requires bas f ports/116422 [patch] devel/kdbg: fix to allow a core file to be ope f ports/116454 net/unison: should depend on X11-enabled ocaml when bu o ports/116485 games/vultures-eye gets a permission denied after typi f ports/116495 [patch] Adding a banch of semi-official patches to x11 f ports/116567 [PATCH] net/vnc: [SUMMARIZE CHANGES] o ports/116683 [NEW PORT] audio/kirocker: KDE Kicker applet for Amaro f ports/116783 databases/db46 can not be built o ports/116817 New port: devel/libreadline-java a JNI-wrapper around o ports/116829 New port: net/isc-dhcp31-(client|devel|relay|server) o ports/116948 [NEW PORT] mail/smfsav: Sendmail Sender Address Valida f ports/116974 net-p2p/azureus fails to operate correctly if IPV6 sup o ports/117003 [MAINTAINER] www/abyssws - Some fixes o ports/117031 multimedia/fxtv: fails in the start in i810e set to 16 o ports/117047 [NEW PORT] sysutils/ispman: ISP management software o ports/117078 [PATCH]: www/* COMMENT, BROKEN, RESTRICTED, NO_PACKAGE f ports/117085 [PATCH] devel/cvs2svn: request update to 2.0.1 f ports/117101 mail/perdition: add rc.d scripts o ports/117115 www/apache-jserv: [PATCH]: portlint cleanups o ports/117122 [NEW PORT] security/phpdeadlock: Web-based user authen f ports/117164 [PATCH] sysutils/fusefs-wdfs: update to 1.4.2 f ports/117173 graphics/opencv does not compile if ffmpeg option is c o ports/117193 update devel/sdl12 to version 1.2.12 o ports/117218 [patch] audio/sdl_mixer : timidity++ support o ports/117221 update of games/eduke32 f ports/117223 Typo in ports-mgmt/bpm descr f ports/117225 [PATCH] net-p2p/gtkhx: Not BROKEN with GCC 4.2 o ports/117236 New port: x11/xcb-util A module with libxcb/libX11 ext o ports/117249 cannot make deskutils/krss o ports/117253 graphics/xfig and xfig-devel no longer find ghostscrip f ports/117262 [net/freeradius] rc.d script bug o ports/117276 New port: security/sqlninja a Sql Server penetration t f ports/117288 [PATCH] x11-wm/compiz: Add in KDE support, clean up pk o ports/117290 New port: archivers/unrar-iconv Extract, view & test R f ports/117298 port (/usr/ports/russian/xneur) update needed o ports/117299 [NEW PORTS] www/webobjects(+) Apple WebObjects ports b o ports/117311 [new port] devel/p5-SNMP-Persist o ports/117312 New port: x11-fonts/ttf-bengali-fonts - Free TrueType o ports/117324 ports devel/sourcenav can't build o ports/117327 devel/devhelp doesn't build with seamonkey f ports/117360 [PATCH]multimedia/gxine: respect CFLAGS o ports/117413 New port: multimedia/gpodder - a GTK2 podcast aggrega o ports/117431 Update port: graphics/ipe Version 6.0pre28 of Ipe that o ports/117438 x11-wm/vtwm: recent changes break make index, make des o ports/117457 [MAINTAINER] emulators/dynamips-devel: new release can o ports/117475 [maintainer update] updated net/asterisk-app-notify th o ports/117480 New Port: devel/dev86 -- 8086 Development Tools f ports/117487 [PATCH] net-mgmt/rancid-devel: [SUMMARIZE CHANGES] o ports/117489 [NEW PORTS] multimedia/p5-FFmpeg-Command o ports/117509 [new port] mail/vmailmgr -- A powerful, clean and easy f ports/117518 [PATCH] misc/ipbt - fix BROKEN size mismatch in distin o ports/117519 [maintainer update] lang/sbcl: update to 1.0.11 o ports/117521 [new port] net/asterisk-res-bonjour Bonjour (Zeroconf) o ports/117523 Update port: net/empty - Update from 0.6.9b to current o ports/117533 [maintainer-update][sysutils/bsdadminscripts] latest r o ports/117534 [PATCH]: net-mgmt/netdisco 0.95 patch o ports/117544 [NEW PORT] audio/gnormalize, a Gtk2 frontend to normal o ports/117550 [MAINTAINER] devel/doxygen: update to 1.5.3 o ports/117563 Maintainer update: net/unison minor fixes o ports/117588 New Ports: linux-nerodigitalaudio o ports/117597 [NEW PORT] sysutils/arcconf: Adaptec SCSI RAID adminis o ports/117600 maintainer update: math/liborigin o ports/117608 [Maintainer-update]: devel/sdl12 version update to 1.2 o ports/117609 [Maintainer-update] audio/sdl_mixer version update to o ports/117610 [Maintainer-update] graphics/sdl_image version update o ports/117611 [Maintainer-update]: graphics/sdl_ttf version update t o ports/117612 [Maintainer-Update] graphics/sdl_gfx maintainer overta o ports/117615 New port: devel/tijmp (A simple memory profiler for Ja o ports/117644 New Port: audio/taglookup Tags groups of audio files u o ports/117658 Update port: security/xca o ports/117667 [MAINTAINER] x11-wm/xmonad: [SUMMARIZE CHANGES] o ports/117678 [MAINTAINER] print/fontforge: Mark as BROKEN on amd64 f ports/117680 maintainer update of lang/g95 to latest snapshot o ports/117683 climm should provide an optional dependency on gloox o ports/117703 New port: devel/asdlgen generate serializers for C,C++ o ports/117713 Update port: biology/clustalw to 2.0 o ports/117715 [MAINTAINER] textproc/metauml: add a manual and exampl o ports/117721 Update port: textproc/sml-fxp (minor fix) o ports/117740 Update port math/dislin to 9.2 o ports/117761 [PATCH] upgrade of security/ossec-hids-local 1.3 -> 1. o ports/117762 [PATCH]: upgrade of security/ossec-hids-client 1.3 -> o ports/117763 [PATCH]: upgrade of security/ossec-hids-server 1.3 -> o ports/117767 Update port: net-im/openfire update to new version - o o ports/117769 [MAINTAINER] korean/libhangul : update to 0.0.6 o ports/117782 New port: ports-mgmt/pkg_cleanup pkg_rmleaves clone wi f ports/117785 update to ports-mgmt/pkgsearch f ports/117793 [PATCH] sysutils/eroaster - replaced deprecated whrand o ports/117797 [Maintainer-update]: net/sdl_net version update to 1.2 o ports/117806 [update] devel/ta-lib 0.4.0_1 f ports/117809 textproc/qstardict: chase gnome DATADIR move o ports/117814 conflict: graphics/sdl_ttf and x11-fonts/showfont o ports/117816 New port: sysutils/ciso A tool to compress ISO images o ports/117840 [patch] mail/dbmail: update to 2.2.7 o ports/117848 [patch] sysutils/areca-cli periodic script o ports/117853 [Maintainer Update] textproc/permute update WWW in p o ports/117872 new port addition: devel/Testing_Selenium o ports/117878 print/ghostscript-gnu and print/ghostscript-gpl lacks o ports/117880 [maintainer update] sysutils/monit 4.10.1 o ports/117885 Update net/iaxmodem to 0.3.2 o ports/117887 www/adzap : make it also install zapchain, to chain re o ports/117888 [maintainer-update] science/gwyddion: update to 2.9 f ports/117897 [PATCH] net-im/amsn configure script broken f ports/117900 x11-wm/pekwm ports needs to be updated o ports/117901 lang/p5-Error: [PATCH]: portlint cleanups, claim maint o ports/117902 devel/newt: [PATCH]: portlint cleanups, claim maintain o ports/117912 [patch] chinese/hanzim: Fix segmentation fault caused o ports/117927 [MAINTAINER] emulators/dynamips-devel: Error into DEPE o ports/117939 Update port: net/csocks to version 1.1 o ports/117945 New port: sysutils/metamorphose-1.1 Metamorphose flexi o ports/117949 [PATCH] sysutils/kldfind: update to 0.61 f ports/117957 security/swatch can't stop (doesn't match pid with pro f ports/117959 [PATCH] net-p2p/limewire: fix broken checksum; update o ports/117983 [MAINTAINER] print/fontforge: update to 20071110 o ports/117994 New port: misc/pauker Flashcard learning program o ports/117997 Cleanups to the cad/spice port o ports/118000 [UPDATE] www/mod_fastcgi to 2.4.4 o ports/118003 www/apache22: with PgSQL option require only libpq.so. o ports/118012 [PATCH] Update deskutils/calcurse to version 1.9 f ports/118018 Core Dump with dns/noip Port o ports/118022 [MAINTAINER] [PATCH] Update comms/o2sms from 3.26 to 3 f ports/118032 [update] comms/spandsp-devel 0.0.4.p15 o ports/118033 [new port] devel/cvs-devel 1.12.13_8 o ports/118040 Update port: net/siproxd to 0.6.0 o ports/118045 [PATCH] mail/smc-milter: unBREAK, update to 1.9, take o ports/118050 x11/gnome2 - pkg_add -r gnome2 does not work o ports/118055 maintainer update: emulators/qtemu f ports/118065 Non-correct install man for security/sshguard-ipfw o ports/118082 [PATCH] chinese/cce broken in 7.x f ports/118092 Installing mail/dbmail breaks installation of mail/mai f ports/118095 update ports-mgmt/pkgsearch to 1.0.4 f ports/118101 typo in www/mod_authz_unixgroup o ports/118102 [MAINTAINER UPDATE] Update misc/fortune-mod-the-godfat o ports/118103 New port: databases/couchdb A document database server f ports/118105 mail/spamd - spamd-setup with multiple files in spamd- f ports/118112 [PATCH] sysutils/fusefs-kmod: use SRC_BASE o ports/118116 [NEW PORT] print/latex-prettyref: Improved reference f o ports/118125 [PATCH]math/gsl: fix fetch problem when NOPORTDOCS is o ports/118130 Update audio/ventrilo-server to 3.0.0 o ports/118131 Remove x11-themes/gtk-smooth-engine o ports/118138 [Update] Updating multimedia/shell-fm to version 0.4 o ports/118139 [PATCH] port mail/qmail-scanner: Makefile: QS_NOTIFY n o ports/118142 New port: biology/mummer f ports/118155 devel/apr: [PATCH]: lang/perl5 is _not_ a RUN_DEPENDS o ports/118166 Update port: security/base to 1.3.9 f ports/118177 games/prboom with GL=on fails at configure o ports/118179 [PATCH] print/splix: update to 1.1.0 o ports/118189 New port: games/sdlCC -- An extensible chinese checker o ports/118192 ports/*: [PATCH]: Add 13 SHA256 checksums o ports/118195 [PATCH] www/plone3: update to 3.0.3 o ports/118209 [PATCH] deskutils/recoll update to version 1.10.0 f ports/118213 games/HeroesOfMightAndMagic - heroesOfMightAndMagic's o ports/118215 New port: audio/qsynth GUI fluidsynth app o ports/118220 [maintainer update][path]Update port: www/ziproxy to 2 o ports/118221 [MAINTAINER] x11-toolkits/scintilla: update to 1.75 o ports/118223 [MAINTAINER] editors/scite: update to 1.75 o ports/118225 [MAINTAINER]: Update x11/keynav o ports/118226 [Maintainer-Update] print/pslib: update to 0.4.1 o ports/118228 [PATCH] science/hdf5: update to 1.6.6 o ports/118229 New port: security/fwknop fwknop,"FireWall KNock OPera f ports/118232 A note on multimedia/nuppelvideo + multimedia/exportvi o ports/118233 [new port] mail/greylite - An efficient greylisting mo f ports/118234 [PATCH] x11-wm/vtwm, Fix port bug o ports/118235 New ports: comms/xmorse A fully automatic Morse code t o ports/118252 [NEW PORT] misc/p5-Test-Dir: Test directory attributes f ports/118257 graphics/libfpx fails to comile 193 problems total. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 11:36:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D3416A41A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from services.ipt.ru (services.ipt.ru [194.62.233.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C049D13C458 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:36:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsam@ipt.ru) Received: from [85.172.12.119] (helo=localhost.my.domain) by services.ipt.ru with esmtpa (Exim 4.54 (FreeBSD)) id 1Iwbfe-0003j6-9E; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:58:34 +0300 To: "Elena Zaytseva" References: <8b57e0980711251037r5ede60d0lfbe30a6469cefeb9@mail.gmail.com> From: Boris Samorodov Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:58:25 +0300 In-Reply-To: <8b57e0980711251037r5ede60d0lfbe30a6469cefeb9@mail.gmail.com> (Elena Zaytseva's message of "Sun\, 25 Nov 2007 21\:37\:11 +0300") Message-ID: <31730686@ipt.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, mi@aldan.algebra.com Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: libfpx-1.2.0.12_1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:36:14 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:37:11 +0300 Elena Zaytseva wrote: > I am sorry to tell you, but i think this link doesnt work :( > http://aldan.algebra.com/~mi/fpx.mega-patch.2007-11-01.bz2 Can't confirm: ----- localhost% fetch http://aldan.algebra.com/~mi/fpx.mega-patch.2007-11-01.bz2 fpx.mega-patch.2007-11-01.bz2 100% of 119 kB 30 kBps ----- WBR -- bsam From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 14:16:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8684216A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE1713C468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:16:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFEC16409B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:47:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F30D05AB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:47:25 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:47:22 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126134722.17160bf1@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <474A1C28.8070106@FreeBSD.org> References: <4747A1FB.9000707@FreeBSD.org> <20071124151306.13d7368a@gumby.homeunix.com.> <474A1C28.8070106@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Idea about the ports tree included in the release X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:16:59 -0000 On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 17:06:48 -0800 Doug Barton wrote: > RW wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:00:59 -0800 > > Doug Barton wrote: > >> How hard would it be to include the c[v]sup checkouts file > >> with the tarball ... > >> since you could start from there and immediately update to the > >> latest version without having to pull down the whole tree again. > > > > c[v]sup doesn't have to pull the whole tree again if it doesn't > > have a checkout file, ... > > I think you dramatically misunderstand what I'm suggesting, and why it > would be beneficial. I have, but I don't feel too bad about it, given that you are referring to a fairly subtle problem that isn't documented in the csup man-page, and was brought up in a sub-thread of an unnamed thread in a different mailing list. For the benefit of people that don't read everything in the stable list. http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.os.freebsd.stable/51460 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 15:49:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182E416A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miwi@bsdcrew.de) Received: from bsdcrew.de (duro.unixfreunde.de [85.214.90.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D030A13C465 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:49:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miwi@bsdcrew.de) Received: from bsdcrew.de (dslb-082-083-148-027.pools.arcor-ip.net [82.83.148.27]) by bsdcrew.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522E84DA2F; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:29:41 +0100 (CET) Received: by bsdcrew.de (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1010 miwi@bsdcrew.de; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:29:43 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:29:42 +0100 From: Martin Wilke To: ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20071126152942.GA40688@bsdcrew.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: c0rn@o2.pl, netchild@FreeBSD.org Subject: Call for Testing: Claws-Mail 3.1.0 and Plugins Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:49:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Folks, Claws-Mail V. 3.1.0 has been released. This update adds some new feauters such as: - - GnuTLS support has been implemented as an alternative to OpenSSL. - - Tags: Added tag alphabetical sorting and unified the dialogues. - - Edit accounts dialogue: The 'default account' (D) column has been removed, instead the default account is indicated by using bold text. - - Templates Added ability to attach files using |attach{filename}. - - Templates options are now presented in a tabbed layout. - - Address Book: Added duplicate finder. - - GTK+ built-in print support is now used if GTK+ >= 2.10 is available. libgnomeprint will never be used if GTK+ >= 2.10 is available. (gnomeprint is marked as deprecated) - - Reinstated 'Generate Message-ID' option as an Account preference. It is hidden on IMAP accounts, because Message-IDs are needed on servers that don't implement the UIDPLUS extension. - - Toolbar preferences: Improved dialogue. - - Compose window: the number of attachments is now shown in the tab's title. - - Attachments: When opening attachments with 'Open' or 'Open with...' the temporary files are now saved as read-only. A hidden preference has been added, 'save_parts_readwrite', reverting to the previous behaviour. - - IMAP: Added a button on the Folder Properties General page to allow users to discard local caches. - - Added much better error handling. - - Fetching of cached mails has been heavily optimised. - - LDAP: Added read-only support for jpegPhoto LDAP field - - Bcc in commandline URIs has been added. - - Dillo browser plugin: Address book based whitelisting for loading remote images has been added. - - Bogofilter is now Optional. - --------------- Claws-Mail Plugins ================== Updates to: claws-mail-attach_warner 0.2.9 claws-mail-fetchinfo 0.4.21 claws-mail-gtkhtml2_viewer 0.16 claws-mail-notification 0.13 claws-mail-pdf_viewer 0.7 claws-mail-perl 0.9.11 claws-mail-rssyl 0.16 claws-mail-smime 0.7.3 claws-mail-synce 0.7.3 claws-mail-vcalendar 1.99 claws-mail-spamreport 0.3 The following ports will need PORTREVISION to be bumped: claws-mail-att_remover claws-mail-cachesaver claws-mail-maildir claws-mail-mailmbox claws-mail-newmail And One new Port: claws-mail-tnef It looks to me like everything works well, however I'd appreciate your feedback. Patch: http://people.freebsd.org/~miwi/claws/claws-mail.diff New Port: http://people.freebsd.org/~miwi/claws/claws-mail-tnef.shar Thanks! - - Martin - -- +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ | PGP : 0x05682353 | Jabber : miwi(at)BSDCrew.de | | ICQ : 169139903 | Mail : miwi(at)FreeBSD.org | +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ | Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest! | +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSuZlFwpycAVoI1MRAkdZAKCIZQ5i0++0R1bCojOvG2EHGZcRLgCglxrq jRixzCuXWRAEO5yPGlQ80AI= =+t+B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 15:54:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63D116A479; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from heka.cenkes.org (heka.cenkes.org [208.79.80.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0911013C4D3; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from amilo.cenkes.org (ppp85-141-134-84.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [85.141.134.84]) (Authenticated sender: sat) by heka.cenkes.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4DD3242F82D; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:54:34 +0300 (MSK) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:54:32 +0300 From: Andrew Pantyukhin To: Alex Dupre Message-ID: <20071126155430.GB1637@amilo.cenkes.org> References: <20071123202524.GS66812@amilo.cenkes.org> <47474D80.5090206@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47474D80.5090206@FreeBSD.org> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: how to distinguish direct/indirect requirements? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:36 -0000 On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:00:32PM +0100, Alex Dupre wrote: > Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > > You can cd some/port/&&make depends > > One way only. It would be more useful to know which installed ports > directly depend on a specific port. As an obvious working (but not nearly correct) example: pkg_direct_req #!/bin/sh indirect_reqs=`pkg_info -Rx "$1"|egrep -v '(:|^$)'` pkg_origin=`pkg_info -ox "$1"|grep -m1 /` for i in $indirect_reqs;do req_origin=`pkg_info -o "$i"|grep /` depdirs=`cd /usr/ports/$req_origin;make -V _DEPEND_DIRS` if echo $depdirs|grep -qw $pkg_origin;then echo $i is a direct req fi done From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 16:57:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EBC616A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) Received: from ms05.mailstreet2003.net (ms05.mailstreet2003.net [69.25.50.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46AF013C457 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:00:33 -0500 Message-ID: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730B3B@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: net-mgmt/nagios-devel is 2 versions behind.. Thread-Index: AcgwTdtHVfosMjjMR4qrtzV1eOIBmg== From: "Chris Haulmark" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: net-mgmt/nagios-devel is 2 versions behind.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:57:54 -0000 Currently it is nagios-devel 3.0.b5. Can someone please update it to nagios-devel 3.0.b7. =20 Thank you. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:04:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62E5C16A468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B13413C45A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:04:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com) Received: (qmail 3782 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2007 16:37:23 -0000 Received: from aldan.algebra.com (HELO aldan-mlp) ([216.254.65.224]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Nov 2007 16:37:23 -0000 From: Mikhail Teterin To: Boris Samorodov Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:37:21 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <8b57e0980711251037r5ede60d0lfbe30a6469cefeb9@mail.gmail.com> <31730686@ipt.ru> In-Reply-To: <31730686@ipt.ru> Organization: Virtual Estates, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711261137.21775.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Elena Zaytseva Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: libfpx-1.2.0.12_1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:04:04 -0000 =D0=CF=CE=C5=C4=A6=CC=CF=CB 26 =CC=C9=D3=D4=CF=D0=C1=C4 2007 05:58 =C4=CF, = Boris Samorodov =F7=C9 =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC=C9: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:37:11 +0300 Elena Zaytseva wrote: > > I am sorry to tell you, but i think this link doesnt work :( > > http://aldan.algebra.com/~mi/fpx.mega-patch.2007-11-01.bz2 > > Can't confirm: > ----- > localhost% fetch http://aldan.algebra.com/~mi/fpx.mega-patch.2007-11-01.b= z2 > fpx.mega-patch.2007-11-01.bz2 100% of 119 kB 30 kBps > ----- My box crashed because of a hard-drive problem, but it is back up as of 10= =20 hours ago... Sorry for the disruption. -mi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 17:06:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E4916A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miwi@bsdcrew.de) Received: from bsdcrew.de (duro.unixfreunde.de [85.214.90.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8DD13C45A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miwi@bsdcrew.de) Received: from bsdcrew.de (dslb-082-083-148-027.pools.arcor-ip.net [82.83.148.27]) by bsdcrew.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC364DA2F; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:06:53 +0100 (CET) Received: by bsdcrew.de (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1010 miwi@bsdcrew.de; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:06:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:06:56 +0100 From: Martin Wilke To: Chris Haulmark Message-ID: <20071126170656.GA4658@bsdcrew.de> References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730B3B@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730B3B@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: jarrod@netleader.com.au, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: net-mgmt/nagios-devel is 2 versions behind.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:06:57 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 12:00:33PM -0500, Chris Haulmark wrote: > Currently it is nagios-devel 3.0.b5. Can someone please update it to > nagios-devel 3.0.b7. > > > We have Portsfreeze, if you want a patch feel free to try the following: http://miwi.homeunix.com/nagios-devel.diff - - Martin - -- +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ | PGP : 0x05682353 | Jabber : miwi(at)BSDCrew.de | | ICQ : 169139903 | Mail : miwi(at)FreeBSD.org | +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ | Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest! | +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHSv0vFwpycAVoI1MRAjQLAJ4+ERXVNUfnl6qnvFX503cgnDA6GACgjSDh MuQlytcjbfDcvhgoILKzIAU= =c2pA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:37:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F8316A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 552F713C4EB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HPNj1Y00117dt5G050cl00; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:39 +0000 Received: from 0lsen.net ([24.20.127.157]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HWde1Y0153Pt6RU0300000; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:39 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=G-5Kkn0Y1Tkbngj-VNgA:9 a=2S2DOXzARauF4WEx991JxKAe8W8A:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Received: by 0lsen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1403D78C8B; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:37:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:37:33 -0800 From: Clint Olsen To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: NULlsen Network X-Disclaimer: Mutt Bites! Cc: Subject: WITH_/WITHOUT_ variables confusing X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:37:40 -0000 I'm trying to build net/vnc, and I want a server. The OPTIONS list shows: OPTIONS = server "blah blah" on So, this tells me that by default it should be on, correct? Yet the port throughout the makefile references WITHOUT_SERVER. I've tried various combinations of WITH_SERVER and WITHOUT_SERVER and I can't seem to disable WITHOUT_SERVER. A couple one-line examples in the manpage would clear this up a lot. I checked the handbook, the ports manpage, and I even looked at the ports default makefile. And finally, once I've figured out how to do this, how/where are we supposed to override this so I never have to deal with it again? I always want a server built. Thanks, -Clint From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 18:49:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B389916A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B62B13C46E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+QT=f3b4e1e2@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35ECDD05A0 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:49:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:45 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126184945.0c260864@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> References: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WITH_/WITHOUT_ variables confusing X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:49:49 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:37:33 -0800 Clint Olsen wrote: > I'm trying to build net/vnc, and I want a server. The OPTIONS list > shows: > > OPTIONS = server "blah blah" on > > So, this tells me that by default it should be on, correct? > Yet the port throughout the makefile references WITHOUT_SERVER. I've > tried various combinations of WITH_SERVER and WITHOUT_SERVER and I > can't seem to disable WITHOUT_SERVER. Try running: make config From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 19:00:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484EF16A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:00:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0365213C43E for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:00:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from localhost (marvin-mail [192.168.0.2]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DC77C0B4A; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:42:13 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian) at harmless.hu Received: from marvin.harmless.hu ([192.168.0.2]) by localhost (marvin.harmless.hu [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T+7eUlHbRFSZ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:42:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2080F7C0B26; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:42:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:42:12 +0100 From: Gergely CZUCZY To: Clint Olsen Message-ID: <20071126184212.GA33523@harmless.hu> References: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=x-unknown; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WITH_/WITHOUT_ variables confusing X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:00:46 -0000 --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:37:33AM -0800, Clint Olsen wrote: > I'm trying to build net/vnc, and I want a server. The OPTIONS list > shows: >=20 > OPTIONS =3D server "blah blah" on >=20 > So, this tells me that by default it should be on, correct? > Yet the port throughout the makefile references WITHOUT_SERVER. I've > tried various combinations of WITH_SERVER and WITHOUT_SERVER and I can't > seem to disable WITHOUT_SERVER. >=20 > A couple one-line examples in the manpage would clear this up a lot. > I checked the handbook, the ports manpage, and I even looked at the > ports default makefile. >=20 > And finally, once I've figured out how to do this, how/where are we > supposed to override this so I never have to deal with it again? I=20 > always want a server built. It's messed up. The option sets WITH_FOOBAR, while it checks for WITHOUT_FOOBAR. The port maintainer failed to understand this. So whatever you do, you will end up with building the server part also. Sincerely, Gergely Czuczy mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu --=20 Weenies test. Geniuses solve problems that arise. --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) owFdVD2M3EQUviSksUQRQUGFnoLQFbH3fLcJd1p0uVwul8uCkkW3CxGiOI3t5/Xo xjNmfuxsJAgiTQoKhOjS0FEhUQCip6OgoKGCnoKGEoTEm/HuoVDs2jN+73vvfd83 8+nzF9bOX/rp62/eu/LJZ0/PffXcn9mV2lkr50nNdMtlspmmm8lweG1rmFxNNumZ 5tfK7azcwTwtj9584fGBkhalTWaLBkdg8YHdaATj8nXIK6YN2l1ny2QnWsXd4qZR hluu5Ai4FFzi2beZZtKUqJNDmauCy/kI3nfKYpE0mkvLMoFRNJFwV8kY7qkWtl6L YStNt4FZ2ExHw+3RcLh/F5J0J01jOCBwCxNhUEKnCWcUXYfxeg1WLwgcrILMcVGA RLvRyjwGJgsYQ8cojYFB3aIeAMwqhMlbs/Hk3hQEN5ZQTKU6Q3C7WymtVh93h7cA lnlwOROsAv93GZRchU5VDLbihpgSwkCNtKLmswUUWDInLHDr0R21lSH4QXOlNeZ2 j7LfRUvxCI3S/kUrN6fQfq9mp1hygaCRKESZo4H749mdyduzk+nh8TuHxzTKeL1F wrGaYwEt01w5QwXqjEvmJTGgypC1TAmMPIuyJClncj0wgVh7JgtuvD7/L7mae5+q uEb4iTDxogM+YDVtGDLBsn/ZsDlCF2bPBTLdM+UaEkMoO/DqkaswP6XmfUpFrWRK ncZnpJgVzEpLbEl8QTGUwgJRhNJHrghfEfdfr5RZEiFCLGLqN8dAG23NnSYYTzjJ H4ZWocXYrze6imgHRr/OFzGuIaP7ThUoMoTmBfYDGUWNSfQmqRgBeyBkAjpuKy8/ m9P52SOx+naY6NjCPOvKYFxiJBrbde8i4wu5ZhC8qhovJUXa3gEntyeTm/vHMXSV 9wdVCCSaqFT6TK8+pgcI9qqZP3KklIaSUV4YxMkCtbHEbeRHoQamimCZDdMslCNK 4vDsuBCA0nfVDxaOWjh2pMFyioZRISaMIqBoyolqjUR6FB2hntMbHDx0+cNFRL0I q0Yw77cHedi+QRdMTQ4yg8pFUZJ4uu4jSo7+eBk7gCNaOIOeckFEN1qRRWvTnzly vyHRn+xduLjmb7LVNXjp/G9X155efOXjl35++ctvb55Uv3+vol8++HVcrn3x5NzR Rz++2rb/vPjGDx8++uvzP75r//4X =zNG9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --wac7ysb48OaltWcw-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 19:12:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B3516A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D18F13C4E7 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 8A89E5C2E; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:56:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:56:09 -0500 From: Wesley Shields To: Clint Olsen Message-ID: <20071126185609.GA77988@atarininja.org> References: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: WITH_/WITHOUT_ variables confusing X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:12:17 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:37:33AM -0800, Clint Olsen wrote: > I'm trying to build net/vnc, and I want a server. The OPTIONS list > shows: > > OPTIONS = server "blah blah" on > > So, this tells me that by default it should be on, correct? > Yet the port throughout the makefile references WITHOUT_SERVER. I've > tried various combinations of WITH_SERVER and WITHOUT_SERVER and I can't > seem to disable WITHOUT_SERVER. > > A couple one-line examples in the manpage would clear this up a lot. > I checked the handbook, the ports manpage, and I even looked at the > ports default makefile. > > And finally, once I've figured out how to do this, how/where are we > supposed to override this so I never have to deal with it again? I > always want a server built. It's being stored with the rest of the options most likely. You can see the currently selected options with 'make config' or remove them with 'make rmconfig'. Once you select the options you want they will be remembered for you. -- WXS From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:11:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A0B216A468 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:11:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) Received: from ms05.mailstreet2003.net (ms05.mailstreet2003.net [69.25.50.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2049F13C4E1 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:11:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:13:52 -0500 Message-ID: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730DD5@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> In-Reply-To: <20071126170656.GA4658@bsdcrew.de> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: net-mgmt/nagios-devel is 2 versions behind.. Thread-Index: AcgwTsaAKxjf+P23Sdq0ZvSr16BwFQAGgv5A References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730B3B@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> <20071126170656.GA4658@bsdcrew.de> From: "Chris Haulmark" To: "Martin Wilke" Cc: jarrod@netleader.com.au, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: RE: net-mgmt/nagios-devel is 2 versions behind.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:11:13 -0000 >=20 > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 12:00:33PM -0500, Chris Haulmark wrote: > > Currently it is nagios-devel 3.0.b5. Can someone please update it to > > nagios-devel 3.0.b7. > > > > > > >=20 > We have Portsfreeze, if you want a patch feel free to try the > following: >=20 > http://miwi.homeunix.com/nagios-devel.diff >=20 Appreciate it! > - - Martin >=20 > - -- >=20 > +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ > | PGP : 0x05682353 | Jabber : miwi(at)BSDCrew.de | > | ICQ : 169139903 | Mail : miwi(at)FreeBSD.org | > +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ > | Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest! | > +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) >=20 > iD8DBQFHSv0vFwpycAVoI1MRAjQLAJ4+ERXVNUfnl6qnvFX503cgnDA6GACgjSDh > MuQlytcjbfDcvhgoILKzIAU=3D > =3Dc2pA > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:17:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D30916A473 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:17:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at (uranos.boku.ac.at [141.244.180.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE05D13C46A for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:17:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3FDEC33810F; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:25 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on uranos.boku.ac.at X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B14E338106 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uranos.boku.ac.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22068-03 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from [141.244.60.212] (unknown [141.244.60.212]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id B798C3380EA for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:48:35 +0100 From: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: powered by ZID at uranos.boku.ac.at Cc: Subject: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:17:24 -0000 Don't know what's going on, but since 5.8.8_1 portupgrade lang/perl5.8 fails with - /usr/local/sbin/apxs: not found "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk", line 287: warning "/usr/local/sbin/apxs -q MPM_NAME" returned non-zero status ===> perl-5.8.8_1 : Your apache does not support DSO modules. I have www/apache22 installed. The strange thing is that /usr/local/sbin/apxs exists. /usr/local/sbin/apachectl -l shows mod_so.c. Also php5 installs and updates without problems. Any ideas? Iv From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:25:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B6216A41B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C291813C459 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:25:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 000351CC079; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:08:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:08:19 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Wesley Shields Message-ID: <20071126200819.GA24225@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> <20071126185609.GA77988@atarininja.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126185609.GA77988@atarininja.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Clint Olsen Subject: Re: WITH_/WITHOUT_ variables confusing X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:25:29 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 01:56:09PM -0500, Wesley Shields wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 10:37:33AM -0800, Clint Olsen wrote: > > I'm trying to build net/vnc, and I want a server. The OPTIONS list > > shows: > > > > OPTIONS = server "blah blah" on > > > > So, this tells me that by default it should be on, correct? > > Yet the port throughout the makefile references WITHOUT_SERVER. I've > > tried various combinations of WITH_SERVER and WITHOUT_SERVER and I can't > > seem to disable WITHOUT_SERVER. > > > > A couple one-line examples in the manpage would clear this up a lot. > > I checked the handbook, the ports manpage, and I even looked at the > > ports default makefile. > > > > And finally, once I've figured out how to do this, how/where are we > > supposed to override this so I never have to deal with it again? I > > always want a server built. > > It's being stored with the rest of the options most likely. You can see > the currently selected options with 'make config' or remove them with > 'make rmconfig'. Once you select the options you want they will be > remembered for you. One of the difficulties with 'make config' is that because it's interactive (via dialog(1)), it makes script-based or non-interactive installs difficult. For example: make rmconfig (only needed if you've done make config before) make WITH_xxx=true WITHOUT_yyy=true make WITH_xxx=true WITHOUT_yyy=true install ...doesn't appear to work (the last time I tried it). Although, I do remember seeing a semi-recent commit that mentioned use of using WITH/WITHOUT, but I'm not sure if it addressed the above concern. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:32:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C275716A46B for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobez@tobez.org) Received: from heechee.tobez.org (heechee.tobez.org [194.255.56.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDE013C465 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:32:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobez@tobez.org) Received: by heechee.tobez.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6744012542E; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:32:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:32:02 +0100 From: Anton Berezin To: "pobox@verysmall.org" Message-ID: <20071126203202.GB26758@heechee.tobez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Anton Berezin , "pobox@verysmall.org" , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> X-Powered-By: FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:32:03 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:48:35PM +0100, pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > Don't know what's going on, but since 5.8.8_1 portupgrade lang/perl5.8 > fails with - > > /usr/local/sbin/apxs: not found > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk", line 287: warning "/usr/local/sbin/apxs -q > MPM_NAME" returned non-zero status > ===> perl-5.8.8_1 : Your apache does not support DSO modules. > > I have www/apache22 installed. > > The strange thing is that /usr/local/sbin/apxs exists. > /usr/local/sbin/apachectl -l shows mod_so.c. Also php5 installs and updates > without problems. > > Any ideas? The output of the following might help in debugging the problem. uname -a cat /etc/make.conf perl -V pkg_info \Anton. -- We're going for 'working' here. 'clean' is for people with skills... -- Flemming Jacobsen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:47:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B4A16A46C; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c0rn@o2.pl) Received: from tur.go2.pl (tur.go2.pl [193.17.41.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2130013C4F7; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c0rn@o2.pl) Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx2.go2.pl [193.17.41.42]) by tur.go2.pl (o2.pl Mailer 2.0.1) with ESMTP id 5D89B237F14; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:16:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx2 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3D9A748091; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:16:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from caprica.slowicza.org (abnm165.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.8.2.165]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:16:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:15:59 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_P=EAkala?= To: Martin Wilke Message-ID: <20071126201559.69509da8@caprica.slowicza.org> In-Reply-To: <20071126152942.GA40688@bsdcrew.de> References: <20071126152942.GA40688@bsdcrew.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, netchild@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Call for Testing: Claws-Mail 3.1.0 and Plugins Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:47:54 -0000 Hello, Dnia 2007-11-26, o godz. 16:29:42 Martin Wilke napisa=B3(a): >It looks to me like everything works well, however I'd appreciate your >feedback. > >Patch: http://people.freebsd.org/~miwi/claws/claws-mail.diff Spotted 2 problems: 1) There are port options for OpenSSL and GnuTLS, those libraries implement same thing - TLS & SSL protocols and claws-mail can be linked only with one of those so choosing both in menu will not do intended thing. I suggest to include SSL support without option (this is needed and shouldn't be an option) and WITH_GNUTLS option would link to libgnutls instead. That`s just my 2 cents. 2) pkg-config file is installed in different place on my system: [root:~]# pkg_create -b claws-mail-3.1.0/ tar: libdata/pkgconfig/claws-mail.pc: Cannot stat: No such file or directory pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256 [root:~]# ls -l /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/claws-mail.pc -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 370 Nov 26 19:40 /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/claws-= mail.pc Pawe=B3 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 20:57:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1955816A417 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:57:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidt@yadt.co.uk) Received: from outcold.yadt.co.uk (outcold.yadt.co.uk [81.187.204.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B147313C478 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:57:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidt@yadt.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outcold.yadt.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C00C6ACE for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:40:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at yadt.co.uk Received: from outcold.yadt.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (outcold.yadt.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8J8+U2VTBTLH for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [81.187.204.178] (outcold.yadt.co.uk [81.187.204.178]) by outcold.yadt.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E116ACB for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:40:36 +0000 (GMT) From: David Taylor To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:40:36 +0000 Message-Id: <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: davidt@yadt.co.uk List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:57:57 -0000 On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 20:48 +0100, pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > Don't know what's going on, but since 5.8.8_1 > portupgrade lang/perl5.8 fails with - > > /usr/local/sbin/apxs: not found > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk", line 287: > warning "/usr/local/sbin/apxs -q MPM_NAME" > returned non-zero status > ===> perl-5.8.8_1 : Your apache does not > support DSO modules. > > I have www/apache22 installed. > > The strange thing is that > /usr/local/sbin/apxs exists. > /usr/local/sbin/apachectl -l shows mod_so.c. > Also php5 installs and updates without problems. > > Any ideas? What does "/usr/local/sbin/apxs -q MPM_NAME" return? My guess is "/usr/local/sbin/apxs: not found", since it (apxs) is a perl script that (in my case at least) points to /usr/bin/perl. I have no idea how perl is supposed to install if it has a build dependency on a perl script, but I'd guess that's at least part of the problem. Do you have anything odd in your /etc/make.conf (e.g. USE_APACHE), as perl5.8 doesn't appear to have _any_ build dependencies here (except, optionally, gdbm) and I see no reason for it to be triggering anything in bsd.apache.mk From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:19:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7A416A478; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:19:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D79B13C461; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:19:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.3.2 anthesphoria.net lAQL17OZ031702 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1196110876; bh=OGhKH1oFYKPtQJmR1XSMnpU2iFL1R1zg9bcT93CGi fk=; l=2244; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=lov0Y2LKjCY /JlkfI2agO/EtLZjJJamahNlOxMiaHdP9XoFqhz/x8/IeI5l2nU+1NsHtFlyQL8SQU8 lVGRhSeay/z8z4mK2wD3tzRISYnhxgCSehtaq+u78BEDm9H7R2WTXLr6ifop1n0y6DT cUfZzwNyPXLmejyvjXQjC8rYkU= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-220-114.eunet.yu [213.198.220.114]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAQL17OZ031702 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:01:10 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:56:52 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: Martin Wilke Message-ID: <20071126215652.3118fa7b@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <20071126152942.GA40688@bsdcrew.de> References: <20071126152942.GA40688@bsdcrew.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, netchild@FreeBSD.org, c0rn@o2.pl Subject: Re: Call for Testing: Claws-Mail 3.1.0 and Plugins Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:19:34 -0000 On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:29:42 +0100 Martin Wilke wrote: [rearranged] > It looks to me like everything works well, however I'd appreciate > your feedback. Thanks Martin, everything works fine. :-) I tested the following new ports on FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8: claws-mail-3.1.0 claws-mail-etpan_privacy-0.15.5_15 claws-mail-gtkhtml2_viewer-0.16 claws-mail-mailmbox-1.14_3 claws-mail-notification-0.13 claws-mail-smime-0.7.3 Just a couple comments/questions: [...] > - - GTK+ built-in print support is now used if GTK+ >=3D 2.10 is > available. libgnomeprint will never be used if GTK+ >=3D 2.10 is > available. (gnomeprint is marked as deprecated) Does this somehow bring possibility of printing HTML mail parts (as seen through dillo or gtk2html2 viewers) -- or I missed something?=20 [...] > - - Reinstated 'Generate Message-ID' option as an Account preference. > It is hidden on IMAP accounts, because Message-IDs are needed on > servers that don't implement the UIDPLUS extension. Great. [...] > - - Attachments: When opening attachments with 'Open' or 'Open > with...' the temporary files are now saved as read-only. A hidden > preference has been added, 'save_parts_readwrite', reverting to the > previous behaviour. [...] It is very useful that files are now opened as read-only so they can't be _saved_ under ~/.claws-mail (I sometimes mechanically hit 'Save' in opened attachment and then lose it when I close Claws-Mail). However, Claws-Mail-3.1 still deletes read-only files stored under ~/.claws-mail when closed (if those files are still opened at that moment). I know that this is not strictly related to porting, I just take an opportunity to hear opinions of others: shouldn't opened attachments be kept alive and read-only under ~/.claws-mail until manually closed by outer applications that handle them? Finally, what about etpan-privacy module? It can't be loaded: "This module is not licensed under a GPL v2 or later compatible license" (with both 3.0 and 3.1). The module is GPLv2. Best regards and thank you for your work. --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 :: =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0=B5= =D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:30:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FA716A57A; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:30:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c0rn@o2.pl) Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12.go2.pl [193.17.41.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C627913C4F3; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:30:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from c0rn@o2.pl) Received: from poczta.o2.pl (mx12 [127.0.0.1]) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309B03E80D3; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:30:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from caprica.slowicza.org (bak152.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl [83.27.174.152]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.o2.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:30:01 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:29:58 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Pawe=B3_P=EAkala?= To: Nikola =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Le=E8i=E6?= Message-ID: <20071126222958.1f8441b3@caprica.slowicza.org> In-Reply-To: <20071126215652.3118fa7b@anthesphoria.net> References: <20071126152942.GA40688@bsdcrew.de> <20071126215652.3118fa7b@anthesphoria.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, netchild@FreeBSD.org, Martin Wilke Subject: Re: Call for Testing: Claws-Mail 3.1.0 and Plugins Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:30:05 -0000 Dnia 2007-11-26, o godz. 21:56:52 Nikola Le=E8i=E6 napisa=B3(a): >Finally, what about etpan-privacy module? It can't be loaded: "This >module is not licensed under a GPL v2 or later compatible >license" (with both 3.0 and 3.1). The module is GPLv2. I`m maintainer of this port. This plugin is not developed and supported by the Claws Mail team anymore. You should probably try PGP plugins from main claws-mail port. Martin: I was thinking of deprecating this port for some time, it has licence issues as described above and don`t work so i think it`s time to say good bye to it... Pawe=B3=20 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 22:41:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C852516A41B; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miwi@bsdcrew.de) Received: from bsdcrew.de (duro.unixfreunde.de [85.214.90.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8791213C503; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:41:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from miwi@bsdcrew.de) Received: by bsdcrew.de (Postfix, from userid 1001) id AEA534E04A; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:40:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:40:58 +0100 From: Martin Wilke To: c0rn@o2.pl Message-ID: <20071126224058.GA81065@bsdcrew.de> References: <20071126152942.GA40688@bsdcrew.de> <20071126201559.69509da8@caprica.slowicza.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071126201559.69509da8@caprica.slowicza.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, netchild@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Call for Testing: Claws-Mail 3.1.0 and Plugins Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:41:03 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:15:59PM +0100, Pawe? P?kala wrote: > Hello, > > Dnia 2007-11-26, o godz. 16:29:42 > Martin Wilke napisa?(a): > > >It looks to me like everything works well, however I'd appreciate your > >feedback. > > > >Patch: http://people.freebsd.org/~miwi/claws/claws-mail.diff > > Spotted 2 problems: > > 1) There are port options for OpenSSL and GnuTLS, those libraries > implement same thing - TLS & SSL protocols and claws-mail can be linked > only with one of those so choosing both in menu will not do intended > thing. > > I suggest to include SSL support without option (this is needed and > shouldn't be an option) and WITH_GNUTLS option would link to > libgnutls instead. That`s just my 2 cents. Good idea, let me talk with alex (netchild) about this. > > 2) pkg-config file is installed in different place on my system: > > [root:~]# pkg_create -b claws-mail-3.1.0/ > tar: libdata/pkgconfig/claws-mail.pc: Cannot stat: No such file or directory > pkg_create: make_dist: tar command failed with code 256 > [root:~]# ls -l /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/claws-mail.pc > -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 370 Nov 26 19:40 /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/claws-mail.pc > Sorry i can't reproduce, tested on 2 systems (7.0 B3 amd64 and 8.0 Current i386). Do you have a buildlog? > Pawe? > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > - -- - ---------------------------------------------------- | Martin Wilke | irc.unixfreunde.de #bsd | | miwi@FreeBSD.org | miwi@bsdcrew.de | | FreeBSD Committer | Power to Serve | - ---------------------------------------------------- Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHS0t6FwpycAVoI1MRAlMjAJ975MSUSiNB6qVuzbvKa4RjmPvJHwCgoJHf GFVT6WtT9LeRtx18AKGORJg= =mMMY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 23:05:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA02D16A419 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberbotx@cyberbotx.com) Received: from QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73D5313C459 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:05:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cyberbotx@cyberbotx.com) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA07.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HXlY1Y0061HzFnQ050Ne00; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:54:07 +0000 Received: from kirby.cyberbotx.com ([68.43.195.82]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hau71Y0031n8LeU0300000; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:54:07 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EA_QvTobotYetbZ7SY4A:9 a=tSsW0OaujlymKO0tti0A:7 a=YTfgx2CbdEQibq9UnbAj0MLDNwQA:4 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=3I_whO4B8K8A:10 Message-ID: <474B4E8E.8060203@cyberbotx.com> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:54:06 -0500 From: Naram Qashat User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@freebsd.org References: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> In-Reply-To: <20071126183733.GA34456@belle.0lsen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: WITH_/WITHOUT_ variables confusing X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:05:08 -0000 Just to throw in my 2 cents, as far as I understand the way the OPTIONS list works, when the Makefile has the option (say, option XXX) as on, it sets WITH_XXX, and if the Makefile has the option off, it sets WITHOUT_XXX. The port maintainer should be checking if the opposite is defined in case the user decides they want the opposite effect to occur. So in your example, WITH_SERVER would be set because of OPTIONS, and the Makefile should be checking if WITHOUT_SERVER is set by the user. If the Makefile isn't checking WITHOUT_SERVER and only checking WITH_SERVER, you'll never have the option to enable or disable the option at will. That's been my take on it, and it seems to be valid. If any part of what I've said is wrong or hard to understand, let me know. Naram Qashat Clint Olsen wrote: > I'm trying to build net/vnc, and I want a server. The OPTIONS list > shows: > > OPTIONS = server "blah blah" on > > So, this tells me that by default it should be on, correct? > Yet the port throughout the makefile references WITHOUT_SERVER. I've > tried various combinations of WITH_SERVER and WITHOUT_SERVER and I can't > seem to disable WITHOUT_SERVER. > > A couple one-line examples in the manpage would clear this up a lot. > I checked the handbook, the ports manpage, and I even looked at the > ports default makefile. > > And finally, once I've figured out how to do this, how/where are we > supposed to override this so I never have to deal with it again? I > always want a server built. > > Thanks, > > -Clint > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 02:49:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534DA16A41A; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:49:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from digger1.defence.gov.au (digger1.defence.gov.au [203.5.217.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD0A513C46A; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:49:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alex.Wilkinson@dsto.defence.gov.au) Received: from ednmsw511.dsto.defence.gov.au (ednmsw511.dsto.defence.gov.au [131.185.68.12]) by digger1.defence.gov.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAR2Varu012725; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:01:36 +1030 (CST) Received: from fmbex510.dsto.defence.gov.au (fmbex510.dsto.defence.gov.au) by ednmsw511.dsto.defence.gov.au (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:02:02 +1030 Received: from stlex510.dsto.defence.gov.au ([203.6.60.184]) by fmbex510.dsto.defence.gov.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:32:02 +1100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:32:00 +0800 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Message-ID: <1B860D81B4F3F44398B9AE84D91C151689DE2B@stlex510.dsto.defence.gov.au> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: SEC:U/usr/ports/archivers/unzip ... Thread-Index: AcgwnbBz+dyPi8EKRbmlDB/VCxCsHQ== From: "Wilkinson, Alex" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Nov 2007 02:32:02.0278 (UTC) FILETIME=[B14EA860:01C8309D] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.0.0.1526-5.0.1023-15568.003 X-TM-AS-Result: No--0.470100-0.000000-4 Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: /usr/ports/archivers/unzip ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:49:08 -0000 Hi there, Just a HEADSUP: OS: FreeBSD, 7.0-BETA3:=20 =3D=3D=3D> Verifying install for unzip in /usr/ports/archivers/unzip =3D=3D=3D> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found =3D=3D=3D> Extracting for unzip-5.52_3 gzip: /usr/ports/distfiles//unzip552.tar.gz: unexpected end of file gzip: /usr/ports/distfiles//unzip552.tar.gz: uncompress failed unzip-5.52/unzip.txt: Truncated tar archive tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/archivers/unzip. *** Error code 1 Looks like a corrupt distfile. -aW IMPORTANT: This email remains the property of the Australian Defence Organi= sation and is subject to the jurisdiction of section 70 of the CRIMES ACT 1= 914. 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From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 02:56:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7ED16A420 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A458D13C474 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:56:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 866031CC079; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:56:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 18:56:58 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: "Wilkinson, Alex" Message-ID: <20071127025658.GA42040@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <1B860D81B4F3F44398B9AE84D91C151689DE2B@stlex510.dsto.defence.gov.au> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1B860D81B4F3F44398B9AE84D91C151689DE2B@stlex510.dsto.defence.gov.au> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /usr/ports/archivers/unzip ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:56:58 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 10:32:00AM +0800, Wilkinson, Alex wrote: > ===> Verifying install for unzip in /usr/ports/archivers/unzip > ===> Vulnerability check disabled, database not found > ===> Extracting for unzip-5.52_3 > gzip: /usr/ports/distfiles//unzip552.tar.gz: unexpected end of file > gzip: /usr/ports/distfiles//unzip552.tar.gz: uncompress failed > unzip-5.52/unzip.txt: Truncated tar archive > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/archivers/unzip. > *** Error code 1 > > Looks like a corrupt distfile. Can't reproduce; maybe whatever local version you have (in distfiles/) is corrupt, or there's some network issue local to you or between you and the fetch site? eos# cd /usr/ports/archivers/unzip eos# make distclean ===> Cleaning for unzip-5.52_3 ===> Deleting distfiles for unzip-5.52_3 eos# make fetch => unzip552.tar.gz doesn't seem to exist in /usr/ports/distfiles/. => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/src/. fetch: ftp://ftp.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/src/unzip552.tar.gz: Operation timed out => Attempting to fetch from ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/TeX/CTAN/tools/zip/info-zip/src/. unzip552.tar.gz 100% of 1113 kB 268 kBps eos# make extract ===> Extracting for unzip-5.52_3 => MD5 Checksum OK for unzip552.tar.gz. => SHA256 Checksum OK for unzip552.tar.gz. Also worth noting is that ftp.info-zip.org has been offline since July 2007. The official info-zip.org home page says we should be using Sourceforge for the time being: http://www.info-zip.org/ ftp.info-zip.org (US) - Info-ZIP's other home site NOTE: the host for Info-ZIP's main ftp site died the final death in late July 2007. We're still looking for a replacement; in the meantime, please use SourceForge or one of the mirrors listed below. -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. 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( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm1793868qbq.2007.11.26.23.20.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:20:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BC54F.7090901@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:20:47 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:20:55 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 What is the current ETA on when the ports freeze will end? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS8VOJ9+1V27SttsRAnTDAKCLGMAUWOcPINu2sWD+4Y/+xJrJvwCfduaU mFLgHstSKU2OJrmLRDqAWK0= =pVK+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:32:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED34A16A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zyagoda@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1E113C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:32:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zyagoda@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1251536waf for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:32:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=CiblpEw3h69If/fcuyXiLHC1q1+3isBGIlzBhWw0gi8=; b=SHLc1bbx7e4R2lwM9Y9wXfYWXQu9ysr5xKvZScUCCShkV8qBZGwql0NLIQ0qZ4mpGcVfoNBD0+wDaGbcrXajMwciRK/B/ZJ9NxsFAAk4AEx4GcnySx3zaUJ0SdvNxJVEScBmcC4d5zWY9sMk1sKxowlVOSQ4kpf6wwvhk8voCSo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=iAV1zLRXHQooXmtptmHcfcUzYmb/W0vmoOq/DNZwYQAPzrmfvB/w/reVTxiuC9Rp4KJWl2hZU54X8GHNdNJuPxmZN8W5k8M39RFPfomU5AQByIgIBSt8z1egEU8nlDCB5whbpqefA2sI/qpmBtQQixBYINHRcbVFu99IqPXmZ1Q= Received: by 10.114.199.1 with SMTP id w1mr1067893waf.1196148734489; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:32:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.76.8 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:32:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <8b57e0980711262332x77738ed7gef5137c139530940@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:32:14 +0300 From: "Elena Zaytseva" To: "Mikhail Teterin" In-Reply-To: <200711261137.21775.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8b57e0980711251037r5ede60d0lfbe30a6469cefeb9@mail.gmail.com> <31730686@ipt.ru> <200711261137.21775.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Boris Samorodov , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: libfpx-1.2.0.12_1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:32:15 -0000 VGhhbmtzIGEgbG90IQoKQmVzdCByZWdhcmRzLApFbGVuYSBaYXl0c2V2YQoKCjIwMDcvMTEvMjYs IE1pa2hhaWwgVGV0ZXJpbiA8bWkrbWlsbEBhbGRhbi5hbGdlYnJhLmNvbT46Cj4KPiDQv9C+0L3Q tdC00ZbQu9C+0LogMjYg0LvQuNGB0YLQvtC/0LDQtCAyMDA3IDA1OjU4INC00L4sIEJvcmlzIFNh bW9yb2RvdiDQktC4INC90LDQv9C40YHQsNC70Lg6Cj4gPiBPbiBTdW4sIDI1IE5vdiAyMDA3IDIx OjM3OjExICswMzAwIEVsZW5hIFpheXRzZXZhIHdyb3RlOgo+ID4gPiBJIGFtIHNvcnJ5IHRvIHRl bGwgeW91LCBidXQgaSB0aGluayB0aGlzIGxpbmsgZG9lc250IHdvcmsgOigKPiA+ID4gaHR0cDov L2FsZGFuLmFsZ2VicmEuY29tL35taS9mcHgubWVnYS1wYXRjaC4yMDA3LTExLTAxLmJ6Mgo+ID4K PiA+IENhbid0IGNvbmZpcm06Cj4gPiAtLS0tLQo+ID4gbG9jYWxob3N0JSBmZXRjaAo+IGh0dHA6 Ly9hbGRhbi5hbGdlYnJhLmNvbS9+bWkvZnB4Lm1lZ2EtcGF0Y2guMjAwNy0xMS0wMS5iejIKPiA+ IGZweC5tZWdhLXBhdGNoLjIwMDctMTEtMDEuYnoyICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAxMDAlIG9mICAx MTkga0IgICAzMCBrQnBzCj4gPiAtLS0tLQo+Cj4gTXkgYm94IGNyYXNoZWQgYmVjYXVzZSBvZiBh IGhhcmQtZHJpdmUgcHJvYmxlbSwgYnV0IGl0IGlzIGJhY2sgdXAgYXMgb2YgMTAKPiBob3VycyBh Z28uLi4gU29ycnkgZm9yIHRoZSBkaXNydXB0aW9uLgo+Cj4gLW1pCj4K From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:48:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA5E16A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from galain.elvandar.org (galain.elvandar.org [217.148.169.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D459613C457 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost.we-dare.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=galain.elvandar.org) by galain.elvandar.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IwvAn-0001w8-MF; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:48:01 +0100 Received: from 194.74.82.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user remko) by galain.elvandar.org with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:48:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:48:01 +0100 (CET) From: "Remko Lodder" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@elvandar.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:48:03 -0000 On Tue, November 27, 2007 8:20 am, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > What is the current ETA on when the ports freeze will end? > See the freebsd.org release pages. > -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:50:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D85C16A419 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:50:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A5113C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:50:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2363913pyb for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:50:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YETFO8PGifyWFsxx49qsM6FhEpIH4K1dlCmauUaz9T4=; b=ipdWZAzMldWY9DMQUTg5Lf8/oFtmvPi3Oa2aIRzQ7gyOuJ9DG4QijyaC1bJiZX8iRAMPqEK0iKMeAYOoitPFgKe/OiqY5JURlVBsoc/huyoxTWJsPdZSgn7nmsmNLo17kjUbTgkO1li7wovTmLGn0ig4+lSK4FvAZXtW7tKbSQs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=itrYMjUZ+Pzk6fjk/OoogmgGApygCL2H2oFyytT69Au9SeGxn10d+yKvbVMEkTZr3RR9VnM0uZRceWCD/fFi3f3hF7FCofPjmCEzam1vmWxpjvw2bg5yWmmNgTvMQ8DwY2voYKBFlCD2dh3oau3P1P3532Z3JK5XDVccNspC13c= Received: by 10.64.199.2 with SMTP id w2mr8080016qbf.1196149802707; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:50:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e13sm1801746qba.2007.11.26.23.50.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:50:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:50:00 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: remko@elvandar.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> In-Reply-To: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:50:04 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Remko Lodder wrote: > On Tue, November 27, 2007 8:20 am, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> What is the current ETA on when the ports freeze will end? >> > > See the freebsd.org release pages I know you will kill me for this but the URL? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS8woJ9+1V27SttsRAkhVAJ9EhGx692q7njw3hXloFGNJC2IKtwCeJO8g iRpoXwhKSgDXBVowwUAKno0= =tBO+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 07:53:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C5F16A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from galain.elvandar.org (galain.elvandar.org [217.148.169.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CF113C4EB for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:53:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@elvandar.org) Received: from localhost.we-dare.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=galain.elvandar.org) by galain.elvandar.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IwvFx-0001zz-Q8; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:53:21 +0100 Received: from 194.74.82.3 (SquirrelMail authenticated user remko) by galain.elvandar.org with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:53:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <35767.194.74.82.3.1196150001.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:53:21 +0100 (CET) From: "Remko Lodder" To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: remko@elvandar.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:53:23 -0000 On Tue, November 27, 2007 8:50 am, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Remko Lodder wrote: >> On Tue, November 27, 2007 8:20 am, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> What is the current ETA on when the ports freeze will end? >>> >> >> See the freebsd.org release pages > > I know you will kill me for this but the URL? > > Perhaps use your golden fingers to check the website itself? it's two clicks away from the frontpage... goodluck! -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:51:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A009E16A475 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at (uranos.boku.ac.at [141.244.180.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5800713C46A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:51:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4437333813C; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:51:12 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on uranos.boku.ac.at X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C6F33815C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:51:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uranos.boku.ac.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08453-04 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:51:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from [141.244.60.212] (unknown [141.244.60.212]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11F11338118 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:51:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474BDAC7.50803@verysmall.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:52:23 +0100 From: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: powered by ZID at uranos.boku.ac.at Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:51:14 -0000 David Taylor wrote: > Do you have anything odd in your /etc/make.conf (e.g. USE_APACHE) This did it! I had USE_APACHE=2.2 in /etc/make.conf, because I think php was building with Apache 1.3 by default. Did not think this would confuse perl. Thank you so much! Iv From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 08:53:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 504A716A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at (uranos.boku.ac.at [141.244.180.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F3E13C478 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:53:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 547EC338163; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:53:00 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on uranos.boku.ac.at X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5644D33815C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:52:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uranos.boku.ac.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10879-02 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:52:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from [141.244.60.212] (unknown [141.244.60.212]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859C133813C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:52:58 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474BDB34.4060002@verysmall.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:54:12 +0100 From: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> <20071126203202.GB26758@heechee.tobez.org> In-Reply-To: <20071126203202.GB26758@heechee.tobez.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: powered by ZID at uranos.boku.ac.at Cc: Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:53:01 -0000 Anton Berezin wrote: > The output of the following might help in debugging the problem. > > uname -a > cat /etc/make.conf > perl -V > pkg_info Yes, indeed, it was USE_APACHE=2.2 in /etc/make.conf as David suggested. Sorry, for not providing these outputs in the beginning. And thanks for your attention! Iv From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:02:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE1F816A46D for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:02:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobez@tobez.org) Received: from heechee.tobez.org (heechee.tobez.org [194.255.56.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D07113C4E9 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:02:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobez@tobez.org) Received: by heechee.tobez.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E5D8212542E; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:02:39 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:02:39 +0100 From: Anton Berezin To: "pobox@verysmall.org" Message-ID: <20071127090239.GC83618@heechee.tobez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Anton Berezin , "pobox@verysmall.org" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> <474BDAC7.50803@verysmall.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474BDAC7.50803@verysmall.org> X-Powered-By: FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:02:44 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 09:52:23AM +0100, pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > David Taylor wrote: >> Do you have anything odd in your /etc/make.conf (e.g. USE_APACHE) > > This did it! > > I had USE_APACHE=2.2 in /etc/make.conf, because I think php was building > with Apache 1.3 by default. > > Did not think this would confuse perl. > > Thank you so much! Without knowing at what stage of the portupgrade process you got this problem - just guessing - it might have confused bsd.port.mk when it invoked stuff in bsd.apache.mk (because of USE_APACHE statement) while the old perl was deinstalled. \Anton. -- We're going for 'working' here. 'clean' is for people with skills... -- Flemming Jacobsen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:18:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9F116A41A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at (uranos.boku.ac.at [141.244.180.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14D5113C4E8 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 06EBB3381D6; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:18:44 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on uranos.boku.ac.at X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.2.3 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3F0E3381C3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:18:09 +0100 (CET) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uranos.boku.ac.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15715-02-3 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:17:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [141.244.60.212] (unknown [141.244.60.212]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A4733825E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:16:53 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474BE0CF.8030105@verysmall.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:18:07 +0100 From: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> <474BDAC7.50803@verysmall.org> <20071127090239.GC83618@heechee.tobez.org> In-Reply-To: <20071127090239.GC83618@heechee.tobez.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: powered by ZID at uranos.boku.ac.at Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:18:48 -0000 Anton Berezin wrote: > Without knowing at what stage of the portupgrade process you got this > problem - just guessing - it might have confused bsd.port.mk when it invoked > stuff in bsd.apache.mk (because of USE_APACHE statement) while the old perl > was deinstalled. It happened when portupgrade tried to install the new version (after backing up the old version). Then this error came and portupgrade reinstalled the old version. Thinking in retrospective - /etc/make.conf was perhaps not the best place to put USE_APACHE=2.2 when I needed it only for php. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:25:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1FC816A46E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobez@tobez.org) Received: from heechee.tobez.org (heechee.tobez.org [194.255.56.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 587B313C4F2 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:25:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tobez@tobez.org) Received: by heechee.tobez.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 1171512542E; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:25:02 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:25:02 +0100 From: Anton Berezin To: "pobox@verysmall.org" Message-ID: <20071127092502.GD83618@heechee.tobez.org> Mail-Followup-To: Anton Berezin , "pobox@verysmall.org" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> <474BDAC7.50803@verysmall.org> <20071127090239.GC83618@heechee.tobez.org> <474BE0CF.8030105@verysmall.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474BE0CF.8030105@verysmall.org> X-Powered-By: FreeBSD http://www.freebsd.org/ User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:25:03 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 10:18:07AM +0100, pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > Anton Berezin wrote: >> Without knowing at what stage of the portupgrade process you got this >> problem - just guessing - it might have confused bsd.port.mk when it >> invoked >> stuff in bsd.apache.mk (because of USE_APACHE statement) while the old >> perl >> was deinstalled. > > It happened when portupgrade tried to install the new version (after > backing up the old version). Then this error came and portupgrade > reinstalled the old version. Right, so as I said - apxs could not be invoked because there was no perl isntalled at that particular instant. > Thinking in retrospective - /etc/make.conf was perhaps not the best place > to put USE_APACHE=2.2 when I needed it only for php. Well yeah, we are not Gentoo. But we should probably not fail in such not-so obvious manner here, anyway. \Anton. -- We're going for 'working' here. 'clean' is for people with skills... -- Flemming Jacobsen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 09:31:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CA016A420 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at (uranos.boku.ac.at [141.244.180.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33D813C4E5 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:31:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix, from userid 1001) id D0A3C338174; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:31:54 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on uranos.boku.ac.at X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E8333817E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:31:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uranos.boku.ac.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19496-02 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:31:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [141.244.60.212] (unknown [141.244.60.212]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316A0338174 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:31:52 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474BE452.7040406@verysmall.org> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:33:06 +0100 From: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> <474BDAC7.50803@verysmall.org> <20071127090239.GC83618@heechee.tobez.org> <474BE0CF.8030105@verysmall.org> <20071127092502.GD83618@heechee.tobez.org> In-Reply-To: <20071127092502.GD83618@heechee.tobez.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: powered by ZID at uranos.boku.ac.at Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:31:56 -0000 Anton Berezin wrote: > Right, so as I said - apxs could not be invoked because there was no perl > installed at that particular instant. Right. Though this did not occur to me right away. >> Thinking in retrospective - /etc/make.conf was perhaps not the best place >> to put USE_APACHE=2.2 when I needed it only for php. > > Well yeah, we are not Gentoo. But we should probably not fail in such > not-so obvious manner here, anyway. Do you think it's worth to drop a note to the package maintainer? From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 10:28:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247B916A477 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A8613C447 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:28:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.44]) by QMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HmCY1Y0060x6nqc0A00F00; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:17:26 +0000 Received: from 0lsen.net ([24.20.127.157]) by OMTA12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HmHR1Y00A3Pt6RU0800000; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:17:26 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=U2Pcz6DcDS4A:10 a=IAQblRmBAAAA:8 a=7T-f-4sg_9OEvGukKgAA:9 a=oYOwSy_qG9jEK11qSMYA:7 a=1AP_BbWwCDFNbCvJmaATAOOXvpAA:4 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 Received: by 0lsen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6A45478C8B; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:17:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:17:17 -0800 From: Clint Olsen To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071127101717.GA89209@belle.0lsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: NULlsen Network X-Disclaimer: Mutt Bites! Cc: Subject: Trying to get net/vnc (vncserver) working X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:28:22 -0000 So, I'm trying to get vncserver running, and it's dying on the 'fixed' font. I should have all the pre-requisite ports installed. I've tried fiddling with the -fp arguments in vncserver without success. Since this is a port, I have higher expectations about having to modify files after installing them. What is the normal steps one must go through to get vncserver working? -Clint Xvnc Free Edition 4.1.2 - built Nov 26 2007 12:03:27 Copyright (C) 2002-2005 RealVNC Ltd. See http://www.realvnc.com for information on VNC. Underlying X server release 40300000, The XFree86 Project, Inc Tue Nov 27 02:00:52 2007 vncext: VNC extension running! vncext: Listening for VNC connections on port 5901 vncext: Listening for HTTP connections on port 5801 vncext: created VNC server for screen 0 error opening security policy file /usr/local/lib/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/, removing from list! Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/, removing from list! Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' xrdb: Connection refused xrdb: Can't open display 'belle.0lsen.net:1' xset: unable to open display "belle.0lsen.net:1" twm: unable to open display "belle.0lsen.net:1" From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 10:33:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3863016A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:33:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johans@stack.nl) Received: from vaak.stack.nl (vaak.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5010::140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92CF13C467 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johans@stack.nl) Received: by vaak.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 360ADD740; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:33:44 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-DCC: Rhyolite: meestal-mk5.stack.nl 104; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on meestal-mk5.stack.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Relay-Country: Received: from mud.stack.nl (mud.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5011:2e0:81ff:fe03:c4bf]) by vaak.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19A1D710; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:33:40 +0100 (CET) Received: by mud.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 801) id BD0DFB849; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:33:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:33:40 +0100 From: Johan van Selst To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: remko@elvandar.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:33:45 -0000 --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> What is the current ETA on when the ports freeze will end? > > See the freebsd.org release pages > I know you will kill me for this but the URL? http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.3R/schedule.html http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/schedule.html "Ports tree unfrozen 7 Nov 2007" Although I guess this date is somewhat... ehm... ambitious. This should probably be 7 December. Johan --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEAREIAAYFAkdL8oQACgkQaOElK32lxTuQfQCdEUiZ+ATi6T0e8rCrTgignW9m XnEAoIOzY843QuURckg/Q52H434GerRL =HRWK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 10:43:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7609016A418 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCEB13C4D1 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so2466553pyb for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:43:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eE37XIeibf3o5KKi5/2Jc7EGkRhB/rf+hBVCH+lGToE=; b=pDdmykawA1Zvjg8tqtujo5qghYmtmjh3ZvdJROouOmWTuXNtGE9Bar/7l1W4hHwppNM67bbBXVpl7J2z81O/HEk7Lav4YjYU7knuhPBqj6JO21jSXENGdsVrS03mA99fl0dTCOXQaQw/nlOSUG5XDSOzQDDDIlbVHIO5XkbkTZ8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ikRWYYzbjm2aQDaEBy6SZpzmKVeOlf+K+6hukvnbVxCrOkyaaNzwYYVvcj4X9MBy/XL6MUn9z3xR7d83Zvb6Rk7M+66vqJf8eWwqqc4eymsspPHJSmItwlxrj2hI5Th5EVxuHMk1daSfwNt7KSgxjma0JCuEDezn4IZfGTJK2Z0= Received: by 10.64.91.15 with SMTP id o15mr8372642qbb.1196160203312; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:43:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f16sm1907688qba.2007.11.27.02.43.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:43:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474BF4C9.8070803@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:43:21 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johan van Selst References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> In-Reply-To: <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: remko@elvandar.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:43:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Johan van Selst wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>> What is the current ETA on when the ports freeze will end? >>> See the freebsd.org release pages >> I know you will kill me for this but the URL? > > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/6.3R/schedule.html > http://www.freebsd.org/releases/7.0R/schedule.html > > "Ports tree unfrozen 7 Nov 2007" > > Although I guess this date is somewhat... ehm... ambitious. This > should probably be 7 December. > A day that will live in infamy? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHS/TJJ9+1V27SttsRAoJGAJ9EHZNtkuhtgayPZtNugwT3D9MIxQCeL2L1 XSGb89xSmkt/D3k7SCghAY8= =jwej -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 13:23:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E88B916A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidt@yadt.co.uk) Received: from outcold.yadt.co.uk (outcold.yadt.co.uk [81.187.204.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C8513C4D5 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:23:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from davidt@yadt.co.uk) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outcold.yadt.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F9616FCF; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:23:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at yadt.co.uk Received: from outcold.yadt.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (outcold.yadt.co.uk [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HmyLgMMSQVWR; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:23:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from webmail.yadt.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outcold.yadt.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B3B6FCB; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:23:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 195.44.196.190 (proxying for 192.168.9.80) (SquirrelMail authenticated user davidt) by webmail.yadt.co.uk with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:23:58 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <32860.195.44.196.190.1196169838.squirrel@webmail.yadt.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:23:58 -0000 (UTC) From: davidt@yadt.co.uk To: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 13:24:00 -0000 > David Taylor wrote: >> Do you have anything odd in your /etc/make.conf (e.g. USE_APACHE) > > This did it! > > I had USE_APACHE=2.2 in /etc/make.conf, > because I think php was building with Apache > 1.3 by default. > > Did not think this would confuse perl. > The problem is that you should never set USE_* except inside a port Makefile. Setting that in /etc/make.conf gives every port a dependency on a version of apache (which requires perl, hence the problem building perl). The 'user settable' options are usually WITH_* or WITHOUT_*. I'm not 100% sure (and can't check right now), but there might be an option that you can (reasonably) safely set globally in /etc/make.conf to prefer apache 2.2, but I don't know what it is. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 14:32:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDFC16A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BB3913C44B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:32:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so401042ele for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:32:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=LwvQY34XEsvyeIeBjFPGTfphCMGltZzev/pN1U8URz0=; b=m0BR5eY4IQg9V4F9kWZCfkUTyOatKOwM6CGJw7wbEsSyPmm1b6trfh+arRiE27o3npxAFFRLyCsMgvIzbGM1Y5DNvrqHnYnl88mAiEpKiMe3Mfuf/UPHkeGiHHvvvBDumrppyYZM058c1QXkMyC5pLOm34dVj1DzovuiX0KsNok= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=uyhdHvI5N9Dwx4Sa4JWIrVeLEO+3BIuHHaeL7AUDTUTW5h3bYp1k/lo+p9kHBYsp+LB/k07M2tu99YGR5yFDPbAiwkR8b0oQaYtvHmhDjgYuqv71tpKgSUSqIRRpTEg9rh3gj32tCo41Q6JNz3xL8oMR1DnToWTL7Uz1eGXKchM= Received: by 10.142.44.11 with SMTP id r11mr890985wfr.1196172226028; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:03:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.44.10 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:03:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ea5cca50711270603h4de18c27p2821bc211f89bcb2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 22:03:45 +0800 From: "Yi Wang" To: ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:32:42 -0000 Hello! I've already upgraded ntfs-3g to the latest version via ports. ls /var/db/pkg | grep ntfs fusefs-ntfs-1.1004 when I mount the partition using this command: mount_ntfs-3g -o ro /mnt/ad6s10 /media/g everything is OK. but when I add these to fstab and mount by mount /media/g . It tells me: mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device. the item in fstab: /dev/ad6s10 /media/g ntfs-3g ro 0 0 So, I do this step: mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g It produces the same error. For some test, I wrote a script named mount_ntfs-3g and placed it to /usr/sbin. (yes, overwrite the original symbolic link.) And maked a link under /sbin. the script just like this: #!/bin/sh echo $0 Then, I execute this command: mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g but is also says: mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device Is this a bug of mount? uname -a: FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 -- Regards, Wang Yi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:01:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DB016A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.238]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB38B13C4D5 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:01:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id a10so890905qbd for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:01:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Yu6KEOxE2kaxL7v7/zRckZG8Cxh0iOLyhDbKhRPEx0Y=; b=DPfHMCvprVbZL+OlVw6DfPKt781Sd2iifY7dpD77+41e37j2OQ96/pnriYqMv4WWFSoirNe/ilVs4ct/0S+b+8ZD0BSajJ7DAXkZZ1g3U6Y3XiMZFZUDZJjDcY693DVx6VfyZMKF926+qbo2L7G/ztCRacpI1TDNbbg6ug04oC8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DvOM9a6/uEQv6EvvTKQmCM/1pjFDZo7K6eIV7dF++V4cyJjIaEyVi1MxidfSHj3Dn5zu0ZvC08hIDx4qR83pNu2K8pxQQ6VZQsx/gvZWW+0DIhm6+hRk4KyZB0/OXeDH2aVhlA2mtyOJioKODL5EtF7W9ZzlsUoJH1Sl70bL0Mw= Received: by 10.65.254.5 with SMTP id g5mr8798421qbs.1196174150756; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z21sm2090931qbc.2007.11.27.06.35.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:35:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <474C2B44.3000403@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yi Wang References: <5ea5cca50711270603h4de18c27p2821bc211f89bcb2@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5ea5cca50711270603h4de18c27p2821bc211f89bcb2@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:01:54 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > > Then, I execute this command: > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > but is also says: > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > Is this a bug of mount? I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > uname -a: > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > - -- Aryeh M. Friedman Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTCtEJ9+1V27SttsRAj9+AKCq5sdy/EQu06ydkovwVnTLjtOA2gCeM4Jt PG+xfiTKmEVmqzR4ic9vbU8= =8DqW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:51:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478E016A41B for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vivek@khera.org) Received: from yertle.kcilink.com (thingy.kcilink.com [74.92.149.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD1113C465 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:51:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vivek@khera.org) Received: from host-121.int.kcilink.com (host-121.int.kcilink.com [192.168.7.121]) by yertle.kcilink.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4EEC943A for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:31:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <69366D71-76ED-4F29-B037-910A632E03F7@khera.org> From: Vivek Khera To: freebsd ports In-Reply-To: <474BE0CF.8030105@verysmall.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:31:23 -0500 References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> <474BDAC7.50803@verysmall.org> <20071127090239.GC83618@heechee.tobez.org> <474BE0CF.8030105@verysmall.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:51:19 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007, at 4:18 AM, pobox@verysmall.org wrote: > Thinking in retrospective - /etc/make.conf was perhaps not the best > place to put USE_APACHE=2.2 when I needed it only for php. Sure it is a great place to set options... Try something like this: .if ${.CURDIR:M*/lang/erlang} WITHOUT_ODBC=YES WITHOUT_JAVA=YES .endif to set specific options for specific ports. As for requesting Apache 2, I find it best to first install apache version you want, then letting the ports find the one that is installed, rather than expecting them to install the right version. That said, this is honored by many ports: WITH_APACHE2=YES From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 15:57:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5092916A468; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netchild@freebsd.org) Received: from redbull.bpaserver.net (redbullneu.bpaserver.net [213.198.78.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFA3413C468; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from netchild@freebsd.org) Received: from outgoing.leidinger.net (p54A54D2C.dip.t-dialin.net [84.165.77.44]) by redbull.bpaserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38B572E2B9; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:38:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail.leidinger.net (webmail.Leidinger.net [192.168.1.102]) by outgoing.leidinger.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF8E97799A; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:37:58 +0100 (CET) Received: (from www@localhost) by webmail.leidinger.net (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id lARFbw3u045729; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:37:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from netchild@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pslux.cec.eu.int (pslux.cec.eu.int [158.169.9.14]) by webmail.leidinger.net (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:37:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20071127163758.fzm2ohnwg4cw804w@webmail.leidinger.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:37:58 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Martin Wilke References: <20071126152942.GA40688@bsdcrew.de> <20071126201559.69509da8@caprica.slowicza.org> <20071126224058.GA81065@bsdcrew.de> In-Reply-To: <20071126224058.GA81065@bsdcrew.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.4) / FreeBSD-7.0 X-BPAnet-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-BPAnet-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-BPAnet-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-14.123, required 6, BAYES_00 -15.00, J_CHICKENPOX_14 0.60, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.10, SARE_FROM_SPAM_WORD3 0.10, TW_BG 0.08) X-BPAnet-MailScanner-From: netchild@freebsd.org X-Spam-Status: No Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, c0rn@o2.pl Subject: Re: Call for Testing: Claws-Mail 3.1.0 and Plugins Update X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:57:54 -0000 Quoting Martin Wilke (from Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:40:58 +0100): > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 08:15:59PM +0100, Pawe? P?kala wrote: >> 1) There are port options for OpenSSL and GnuTLS, those libraries >> implement same thing - TLS & SSL protocols and claws-mail can be linked >> only with one of those so choosing both in menu will not do intended >> thing. >> >> I suggest to include SSL support without option (this is needed and >> shouldn't be an option) and WITH_GNUTLS option would link to >> libgnutls instead. That`s just my 2 cents. > > > Good idea, let me talk with alex (netchild) about this. Sounds good. Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net: PGP ID = B0063FE7 http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild @ FreeBSD.org : PGP ID = 72077137 Don't worry if you're a kleptomaniac, you can always take something for it. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 17:22:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F02F616A417 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAAB713C43E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id A0D891CC46; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:38:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:38:50 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200711270938.50374.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: linux-sun-jdk security vulnerabilities -- updater X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:22:27 -0000 I believe there is an updater available to deal with this problem. Will this port be updated or do we have to wait for the end of the portfreeze in December?? Here is the output from my daily security report: ****************** Checking for packages with security vulnerabilities: Affected package: linux-sun-jdk-1.4.2.13 Type of problem: jdk/jre -- Applet Caching May Allow Network Access Restrictions to be Circumvented. Reference: 1 problem(s) in your installed packages found. You are advised to update or deinstall the affected package(s) immediately. -- End of security output - ***************** Thanks in advance david From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Nov 27 20:42:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4641316A469 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944F013C457 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:42:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lARKfv9i055609; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:41:59 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Message-ID: <474C8115.5090305@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:41:57 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: davidt@yadt.co.uk References: <32860.195.44.196.190.1196169838.squirrel@webmail.yadt.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <32860.195.44.196.190.1196169838.squirrel@webmail.yadt.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:41:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4933/Tue Nov 27 19:10:57 2007 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: "pobox@verysmall.org" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:42:05 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 davidt@yadt.co.uk wrote: > I'm not 100% sure (and can't check right now), but there might be an > option that you can (reasonably) safely set globally in /etc/make.conf to > prefer apache 2.2, but I don't know what it is. APACHE_PORT= www/apache22 Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTIEV8Mjk52CukIwRCEkFAJ9fmay6Dr1Eyxyp5m2Vr/VI1sc0/ACeKUNZ 4+4g0A8Ob7EebwHKvr52M0U= =apz+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 01:36:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E4C16A41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:36:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F1C13C461 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:36:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.20]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hy6q1Y0090SCNGk050MH00; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:36:28 +0000 Received: from 0lsen.net ([24.20.127.157]) by OMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id J1cT1Y00F3Pt6RU0300000; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:36:28 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=2W_CA9WGZ7cA:10 a=wWxZTzg8Q4YK1iw3DFIA:9 a=kXcD4Wr7dPTVdue_vGUA:7 a=Qtq-4UfP6aFQrRZ2IfhA-yjTx_IA:4 a=CWfAmLVWKswA:10 Received: by 0lsen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E6BE778CB4; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:36:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:36:23 -0800 From: Clint Olsen To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: NULlsen Network X-Disclaimer: Mutt Bites! Cc: Subject: How to get portinstall to 'shut up' so I can run it in background X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:36:29 -0000 I've tried redirecting standard output/error, both /bin/sh and /bin/csh, and I can't run this in batch. I'm trying to build gnome which takes hours, and I want it backgrounded so that if this SSH shell disconnects it doesn't crater the build. You would think that --batch would make this happen, but no go. Thanks, -Clint From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 01:56:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3816416A468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from tiamat.relinetworks.com (tiamat.relinetworks.com [204.214.92.162]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20BB13C467 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:56:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from volatile.chemikals.org (root@r74-193-170-223.bssrcmta01.bscyla.by.dh.suddenlink.net [74.193.170.223] (may be forged)) by tiamat.relinetworks.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAS1fads023128; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:41:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Received: from localhost (morganw@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by volatile.chemikals.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAS1fYYv005519; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:41:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from morganw@chemikals.org) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:41:34 -0600 (CST) From: Wes Morgan To: Clint Olsen In-Reply-To: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> Message-ID: References: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> User-Agent: Alpine 0.99999 (BSF 796 2007-11-08) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to get portinstall to 'shut up' so I can run it in background X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:56:17 -0000 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Clint Olsen wrote: > I've tried redirecting standard output/error, both /bin/sh and /bin/csh, > and I can't run this in batch. I'm trying to build gnome which takes > hours, and I want it backgrounded so that if this SSH shell disconnects it > doesn't crater the build. You would think that --batch would make this > happen, but no go. Why not just run the build inside a screen session? Getting disconnected would have no effect on it then. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 02:05:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F200916A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from optimus.centralmiss.com (ns.centralmiss.com [206.156.254.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB69113C467 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:05:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fullermd@over-yonder.net) Received: from draco.over-yonder.net (adsl-072-148-013-213.sip.jan.bellsouth.net [72.148.13.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by optimus.centralmiss.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC77284A1; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:38:41 -0600 (CST) Received: by draco.over-yonder.net (Postfix, from userid 100) id E22D961C44; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:38:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 19:38:40 -0600 From: "Matthew D. Fuller" To: Clint Olsen Message-ID: <20071128013840.GW31891@over-yonder.net> References: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> X-Editor: vi X-OS: FreeBSD User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16-fullermd.4 (2007-06-09) Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to get portinstall to 'shut up' so I can run it in background X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:05:57 -0000 On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:36:23PM -0800 I heard the voice of Clint Olsen, and lo! it spake thus: > > I'm trying to build gnome which takes hours, and I want it > backgrounded so that if this SSH shell disconnects it doesn't crater > the build. I've generally found screen(1) the better solution to those sort of situations (and many, many others, for that matter). -- Matthew Fuller (MF4839) | fullermd@over-yonder.net Systems/Network Administrator | http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/ On the Internet, nobody can hear you scream. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 02:07:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B4AA16A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:07:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout2.cac.washington.edu (mxout2.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035FB13C459 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.139]) by mxout2.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lAS27mXH029065 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:07:48 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [128.208.7.160] (shiina.dyn.cs.washington.edu [128.208.7.160]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lAS27mda026175 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:07:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <1C29581A-8849-4140-B16B-49B76BF8E20B@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:04:33 -0800 To: ports@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.11.27.174325 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='BODY_SIZE_800_899 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Cc: Subject: Re: How to get portinstall to 'shut up' so I can run it in background X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:07:49 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Wes Morgan wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Clint Olsen wrote: > >> I've tried redirecting standard output/error, both /bin/sh and / >> bin/csh, >> and I can't run this in batch. I'm trying to build gnome which takes >> hours, and I want it backgrounded so that if this SSH shell >> disconnects it >> doesn't crater the build. You would think that --batch would make >> this >> happen, but no go. > > Why not just run the build inside a screen session? Getting > disconnected would have no effect on it then. That's the only option that I know of other than building an item locally or batching via cron... besides, ssh times out connections after a while anyhow, so it's toast anyways if you don't do screen or a local build... -Garrett From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 05:53:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4415116A468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:53:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.91]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 18CF213C45B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:53:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 19049 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 05:26:50 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=WAM6dsg9/66PFa76t6SO1ZbUuuYzZIVYaOTkHWe/+Wm1C4hr/M8pecIElM4s7N7mWBEmg98Fa/ul+N/yl7/IjQ1ECDq3L6NvSXZiBMbzYPQTWoeOxYu1t9DP+0uEMz5vjvdhP6ZftCXyXsRdwaisF0dprkSdpOOaw5+lfh4tV/k= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp118.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 05:26:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BI3FF54VM1m9tliH7cmi1vvhX7MliCae61J57tBl07V1YPKmpLT6rLVxbio8z1TenLO5QWa3ng-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19181847d045e1ff5e00a0698006a440@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: jekillen Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:27:49 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: Cyrus_imap23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 05:53:31 -0000 Hello; I have a few questions about the port cyrus-imap23: pkg_info produces a long list of software including a lot of GUI related stuff. Does this mean that there would be a GUI tool for administration of Cyrus Imap? I did not see pam as one of the items in this list, but I did see pam-mysql (after I installed the pam-mysql port). I am working with cyradm and using the documentation Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO, as well as the Postfix manual that covers SASL, PAM, Cyrus, etc I just want to clarify what this port installs and how it might differ from the above material. This is a learning process for me in the spirit of 'learn by doing' (and undoing and redoing if necessary). Info Appreciated Jeff K From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 06:19:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3BB16A41A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) Received: from neonpark.inter-sonic.com (neonpark.inter-sonic.com [212.247.8.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0820B13C461 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:19:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peo@intersonic.se) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inter-sonic.com Message-ID: <474D084E.7050102@intersonic.se> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:18:54 +0100 From: Per olof Ljungmark Organization: Intersonic AB User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jekillen References: <19181847d045e1ff5e00a0698006a440@prodigy.net> In-Reply-To: <19181847d045e1ff5e00a0698006a440@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrus_imap23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 06:19:02 -0000 jekillen wrote: > Hello; > I have a few questions about the port cyrus-imap23: > pkg_info produces a long list of software including a > lot of GUI related stuff. Does this mean that there > would be a GUI tool for administration of Cyrus Imap? > I did not see pam as one of the items in this list, but > I did see pam-mysql (after I installed the pam-mysql > port). > I am working with cyradm and using the documentation > Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO, as well as the > Postfix manual that covers SASL, PAM, Cyrus, etc > I just want to clarify what this port installs and how > it might differ from the above material. > This is a learning process for me in the spirit of 'learn > by doing' (and undoing and redoing if necessary). > Info Appreciated Hi, Not sure what you mean, this is what I get, not a single GUI in sight there! Possibly you are mixing it up with other things? pkg_info -r cyrus-imapd-2.3.8_1 Information for cyrus-imapd-2.3.8_1: Depends on: Dependency: perl-5.8.8 Dependency: p5-Scalar-List-Utils-1.19,1 Dependency: p5-PathTools-3.25 Dependency: p5-Pod-Parser-1.35 Dependency: p5-File-Temp-0.18 Dependency: db42-4.2.52_5 Dependency: cyrus-sasl-2.1.22 Good luck, --per From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 09:12:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496AF16A418 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:12:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at (uranos.boku.ac.at [141.244.180.250]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0135913C469 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pobox@verysmall.org) Received: by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7E799338154; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:12:53 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on uranos.boku.ac.at X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8CA8338163 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:12:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from uranos.boku.ac.at ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (uranos.boku.ac.at [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27117-02 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:12:51 +0100 (CET) Received: from [141.244.60.212] (unknown [141.244.60.212]) by uranos.boku.ac.at (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED884338154 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:12:50 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <474D315E.8020500@verysmall.org> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:14:06 +0100 From: "pobox@verysmall.org" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd ports References: <474B2313.2090409@verysmall.org> <1196109636.19259.7.camel@outcold.yadt.co.uk> <474BDAC7.50803@verysmall.org> <20071127090239.GC83618@heechee.tobez.org> <474BE0CF.8030105@verysmall.org> <69366D71-76ED-4F29-B037-910A632E03F7@khera.org> In-Reply-To: <69366D71-76ED-4F29-B037-910A632E03F7@khera.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: powered by ZID at uranos.boku.ac.at Subject: Re: lang/perl5.8 fails X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:12:55 -0000 Vivek Khera wrote: >> Thinking in retrospective - /etc/make.conf was perhaps not the best >> place to put USE_APACHE=2.2 when I needed it only for php. > > Sure it is a great place to set options... > > Try something like this: > > .if ${.CURDIR:M*/lang/erlang} > WITHOUT_ODBC=YES > WITHOUT_JAVA=YES > .endif > > > to set specific options for specific ports. > > As for requesting Apache 2, I find it best to first install apache > version you want, then letting the ports find the one that is installed, > rather than expecting them to install the right version. That said, > this is honored by many ports: > > WITH_APACHE2=YES This is advanced level for me :) But thanks for the tip :) Iv From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 10:00:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080B316A469 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:00:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fenner@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A5B13C4D9 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:00:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fenner@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (fenner@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lASA0269073601 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:00:02 GMT (envelope-from fenner@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id lASA02OX073600 for ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:00:02 GMT (envelope-from fenner) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:00:02 GMT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200711281000.lASA02OX073600@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Possibly unbuildable ports reminder X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:00:03 -0000 Dear porters, This is just a reminder to please periodically check the list of unbuildable ports at http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/ . A list by MAINTAINER is http://people.freebsd.org/~fenner/errorlogs/ so you can easily check the status of ports that you maintain. In addition, the list of ports with no MAINTAINER with build problems is http://people.freebsd.org/~fenner/errorlogs/ports@freebsd.org.html Since no one is responsible for these ports, the problem won't get fixed unless someone on this list takes the initiative. Thanks for your help! Bill "annoying port email" Fenner From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 10:12:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD1116A47F for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:12:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pawciobiel@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2791713C455 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pawciobiel@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1287331nfb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 02:12:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zagDOYC+Hfcgs3ysKfXwVCmYQGcfSMxeJ/UgYrZ/kfI=; b=wJ58z0tLNL5ZPs/NgU8QBDMsCyNUo4fMKXIJn2UsSlBnbRs4twK9dHJk/tjbL08BgPUl286yXe2RiMw7Pg4fTs+6Y01NZjq8Ua69f7AcjqeNk3r++rXX6OknWpV5VuQYlXWBq9VGqlfD+WukKTBvladaTJZDgH07sljQUUflEw4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fb9+1M4NyLaGBZ3bXri16seyO3PRIxWXvoI+iQ0RARagi7T4Ng//7waSGDUqYlDFPDhwa2yQP5zQWolEQJpJQAipGg8I9xvpwI+5pmLm7zJw79MU8eoXuuqvzjk5k73eXfIvIH21yJi8h5GsJAWzi9+rGDAaAAhC6ixlVzmCW7o= Received: by 10.86.76.16 with SMTP id y16mr4792505fga.1196243226809; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:47:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.89.20 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:47:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2e420cc20711280147k50f72859g789ba5b90499978c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:47:06 +0000 From: "P Bielecki" To: "Clint Olsen" In-Reply-To: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: How to get portinstall to 'shut up' so I can run it in background X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:12:33 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007 1:36 AM, Clint Olsen wrote: > I've tried redirecting standard output/error, both /bin/sh and /bin/csh, > and I can't run this in batch. I'm trying to build gnome which takes > hours, and I want it backgrounded so that if this SSH shell disconnects it > doesn't crater the build. You would think that --batch would make this > happen, but no go. > > Thanks, > > -Clint Hi Clint, Hope this help portinstall --batch pkgname >/dev/null 2>&1 & but I would recommend using screen. regards Paul B From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 10:39:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1A616A419 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from atom@smasher.org) Received: from atom.smasher.org (atom.smasher.org [69.55.237.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5ED5213C442 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:39:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from atom@smasher.org) Received: (qmail 69486 invoked by uid 1000); 28 Nov 2007 10:05:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20071128100551.69485.qmail@smasher.org> Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1731531027-1196244334=:12927" Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:05:34 +1300 (NZDT) From: Atom Smasher MIME-Version: 1.0 OpenPGP: id=0xB88D52E4D9F57808; algo=1 (RSA); size=4096; url=http://atom.smasher.org/pgp.txt To: peter.thoenen@yahoo.com X-POM: The Moon is Waning Gibbous (81% of Full) X-Hashcash: 1:20:0711281005:peter.thoenen@yahoo.com::motHoDe21A9WiiDk:0000000000 000000000000000000000000B+dq X-Hashcash: 1:20:0711281005:ports@freebsd.org::nJO8ttdJa/kkW52k:0000000000000000 0000000000000000000000005hoO Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: kismet-200710.r1 fails to build - FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:39:03 -0000 This message is in MIME format. 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Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:13:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freenx@deweyonline.com) Received: from tuxpro.hyltown.com (docsis-cbm-15-101.nclxtn.lexcominc.net [209.102.254.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A6A13C46A for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:13:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freenx@deweyonline.com) Received: from localhost (webmail.hyltown.com [10.0.0.247]) by tuxpro.hyltown.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id lASEtMc25226; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:55:22 -0500 Received: from tfw-telcove.tgic.com (tfw-telcove.tgic.com [72.236.26.13]) by webmail.hyltown.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:55:31 -0500 Message-ID: <1196258131.474d73536bea1@webmail.hyltown.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 08:55:31 -0500 From: dewey hylton To: jim@coolzero.info References: <46369.212.120.65.207.1196256244.squirrel@webmail.coolzero.info> In-Reply-To: <46369.212.120.65.207.1196256244.squirrel@webmail.coolzero.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 72.236.26.13 Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Small question about FreeNX for freebsd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:13:51 -0000 Quoting Jim van Wel : > Hi there, > > Are you going to update this soon to a newer version in the ports? Just > wondering because of the old version number, and using it of course ;) > > Greetings, > > Jim. the freenx and nxserver ports go hand-in-hand; freenx cannot be updated without first updating nxserver. unfortunately, i have been so far unable to build later nxserver sources under xorg-7.x and haven't received working patches either. i spent plenty of time on the project myself but have been unable to make it work myself - i need help. patches are welcomed. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 16:42:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E2816A46C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.102.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5EF6A13C468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 29147 invoked from network); 28 Nov 2007 16:42:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Yj61lsReIv+ZvGC25rhwP8rM+jRSV2u/8VNdUuTeXFCyyFinBcyZzf9bIgGqltEpe/0KvbrGkrQpPJXL+pNcg9T33m1d1Da92ARzmx9GNQFBiyyBsT/St1eZJz/2Om4iUa/rSrwpzPC0jp4kBB5WBkJjGGbZOCt4wIpxCBqh7bM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ssfbsd.securestate.org) (eol1@70.227.5.28 with plain) by smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Nov 2007 16:42:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: sDSUuDMVM1l_HW6jZJh5oghOTgE94zKqfdUFwiSjFrX3uEFt3gWbD7RX8qUTrs8kGmBn4z9mZg-- Message-ID: <474D9A58.7050206@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:42:00 -0500 From: Peter Thoenen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Atom Smasher References: <20071128100551.69485.qmail@smasher.org> In-Reply-To: <20071128100551.69485.qmail@smasher.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: kismet-200710.r1 fails to build - FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:42:30 -0000 I am pretty sure this builds fine on pointyhat and also builds fine on my amd64 6.2 FBSD box (and also on CURRENT). This was an issue awhile ago but was patched a year or two pack. Make sure you built base with libpcap and its current (I believe the exact patch was pushed upstream there) .... there was a recent closed PR about this ... I can dig up if you wish. -Peter From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 17:33:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B0B16A417 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from taras@elantech.ru) Received: from mail2.elantech.ru (mail2.elantech.ru [87.245.154.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDE213C442 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:33:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from taras@elantech.ru) Received: from [10.10.10.25] (unknown [62.140.253.8]) by mail2.elantech.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FD634066 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:12:33 +0300 (MSK) Message-ID: <474DA1E5.1040208@elantech.ru> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:14:13 +0300 From: Taras Savchuk Organization: =?UTF-8?B?0J7QntCeICLQrdC70LDQvdGC0LXQuiI=?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Subject: sippbx and sipxconfig X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: taras@elantech.ru List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:33:05 -0000 I have question about succesful running of sippbx on freebsd, especially sipxconfig. I can't run sipxconfig. Here are begin of sipxconfig.log while starting sipxpbx: "2007-11-28 20:04:59,894": WARN:ThreadedServer:518:Failed to start: P1@0.0.0.0:8443 "2007-11-28 20:04:59,899": WARN:Server:438:EXCEPTION org.mortbay.util.MultiException[java.io.FileNotFoundException: /usr/local/etc/sipxpbx/ssl/.ssl.keystore (No such file or directory)] at org.mortbay.http.HttpServer.doStart(HttpServer.java:731) at org.mortbay.util.Container.start(Container.java:72) at org.mortbay.jetty.Server.main(Server.java:433) java.io.FileNotFoundException: /usr/local/etc/sipxpbx/ssl/.ssl.keystore (No such file or directory) at java.io.FileInputStream.open(Native Method) at java.io.FileInputStream.(FileInputStream.java:106) at org.mortbay.util.FileResource.getInputStream(FileResource.java:246) at org.mortbay.http.SslListener.createFactory(SslListener.java:227) at org.mortbay.http.SslListener.newServerSocket(SslListener.java:249) at org.mortbay.util.ThreadedServer.open(ThreadedServer.java:477) at org.mortbay.util.ThreadedServer.start(ThreadedServer.java:503) at org.mortbay.http.SocketListener.start(SocketListener.java:203) at org.mortbay.http.HttpServer.doStart(HttpServer.java:761) at org.mortbay.util.Container.start(Container.java:72) at org.mortbay.jetty.Server.main(Server.java:433) "2007-11-28 20:05:11,036":ERROR:ReplicationManagerImpl:?:Data replication failed: caller-alias javax.net.ssl.SSLException: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unexpected error: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: the trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.Alerts.getSSLException(Alerts.java:166) at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.fatal(SSLSocketImpl.java:1518) at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.fatal(SSLSocketImpl.java:1485) at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.handleException(SSLSocketImpl.java:1468) at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.startHandshake(SSLSocketImpl.java:1064) at com.sun.net.ssl.internal.ssl.SSLSocketImpl.startHandshake(SSLSocketImpl.java:1041) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsClient.afterConnect(HttpsClient.java:402) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.AbstractDelegateHttpsURLConnection.connect(AbstractDelegateHttpsURLConnection.java:170) at sun.net.www.protocol.http.HttpURLConnection.getOutputStream(HttpURLConnection.java:839) at sun.net.www.protocol.https.HttpsURLConnectionImpl.getOutputStream(HttpsURLConnectionImpl.java:230) at org.sipfoundry.sipxconfig.admin.commserver.imdb.ReplicationManagerImpl.postData(Unknown Source) at org.sipfoundry.sipxconfig.admin.commserver.imdb.ReplicationManagerImpl.replicateData(Unknown Source) at org.sipfoundry.sipxconfig.admin.commserver.SipxReplicationContextImpl.generate(Unknown Source) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method) at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39) at sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585) at org.springframework.aop.support.AopUtils.invokeJoinpointUsingReflection(AopUtils.java:287) at org.springframework.aop.framework.ReflectiveMethodInvocation.invokeJoinpoint(ReflectiveMethodInvocation.java:181) at org.springframework.aop.framework.ReflectiveMethodInvocation.proceed(ReflectiveMethodInvocation.java:148) at org.springframework.orm.hibernate3.HibernateInterceptor.invoke(HibernateInterceptor.java:97) at org.springframework.aop.framework.ReflectiveMethodInvocation.proceed(ReflectiveMethodInvocation.java:170) at org.springframework.aop.framework.JdkDynamicAopProxy.invoke(JdkDynamicAopProxy.java:176) at $Proxy7.generate(Unknown Source) at org.sipfoundry.sipxconfig.admin.commserver.LazySipxReplicationContextImpl$Worker.work(Unknown Source) at org.sipfoundry.sipxconfig.common.LazyDaemon.run(Unknown Source) Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unexpected error: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: the trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty -- С уважением, Савчук Ð¢Ð°Ñ€Ð°Ñ ÐžÐžÐž "Элантек" : ÐутÑорÑинг ИТ, WEB-разработка http://www.elantech.ru +7 (495) 589 68 81 +7 (926) 779 07 05 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 18:14:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99A216A41B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:14:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freenx@deweyonline.com) Received: from tuxpro.hyltown.com (docsis-cbm-15-101.nclxtn.lexcominc.net [209.102.254.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FED913C4CE for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:14:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freenx@deweyonline.com) Received: from localhost (webmail.hyltown.com [10.0.0.247]) by tuxpro.hyltown.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id lASJQvc25631; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:26:57 -0500 Received: from tfw-telcove.tgic.com (tfw-telcove.tgic.com [72.236.26.13]) by webmail.hyltown.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:27:06 -0500 Message-ID: <1196274426.474db2fa5e792@webmail.hyltown.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:27:06 -0500 From: dewey hylton To: Mathias Picker References: <46369.212.120.65.207.1196256244.squirrel@webmail.coolzero.info> <1196258131.474d73536bea1@webmail.hyltown.com> <1196273160.6739.4.camel@1.strongdesk.com> In-Reply-To: <1196273160.6739.4.camel@1.strongdesk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 72.236.26.13 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, jim@coolzero.info Subject: Re: Small question about FreeNX for freebsd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:15:00 -0000 Quoting Mathias Picker : > The following patch works mostly on 7.0. I had troubles on 6.0, but that > might have been a problem with my configuration. > > Fonts look horrible with subpixel anti-aliasing, but greyscale is fine. > > Also, the color chooser for the gnome background is broken, but all > others (gimp, inkscape, OOo) work fine. > > All other features seem to work fine. I tried the 3.0 client on windows, > the 1.4 on FreeBSD and the 3.0 on Mac (had to manually adjust the > keyboard) > > Cheers, Mathias > > --- nx-X11/config/cf/FreeBSD.cf.orig 2007-11-28 > +++ nx-X11/config/cf/FreeBSD.cf 2007-11-28 > @@ -65,7 +65,7 @@ > > #if (OSMajorVersion >= 3) > #define HasIssetugid YES > -#define HasPoll YES > +#define HasPoll NO > #endif > > #if OSMajorVersion >= 4 > @@ -82,6 +82,7 @@ > * Multi-thread safe libs > */ > /* 2.2.7 and later has libc_r (POSIX threads) */ > +/* 7.0 and later have libpthread instead of libc_r */ > #if OSMajorVersion == 2 && OSMinorVersion == 2 && OSTeenyVersion >= 7 > || \ > OSMajorVersion >= 3 > # ifndef HasLibPthread > @@ -106,7 +107,7 @@ > # define NeedUIThrStubs YES > # endif > # if (OSRelVersion >= 500016) > -# define ThreadsLibraries -lc_r > +# define ThreadsLibraries -lpthread > # else > # define ThreadsLibraries -pthread > # endif > > Am Mittwoch, den 28.11.2007, 08:55 -0500 schrieb dewey hylton: > > Quoting Jim van Wel : > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > Are you going to update this soon to a newer version in the ports? Just > > > wondering because of the old version number, and using it of course ;) > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Jim. > > > > the freenx and nxserver ports go hand-in-hand; freenx cannot be updated > without > > first updating nxserver. unfortunately, i have been so far unable to build > later > > nxserver sources under xorg-7.x and haven't received working patches > either. i > > spent plenty of time on the project myself but have been unable to make it > work > > myself - i need help. patches are welcomed. awesome - thanks for the submission! i'll test it on a few platforms in the next few days and see if we can't update the port afterwards. i have my fingers crossed. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 18:21:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6058A16A46B for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mathias.Picker@strongdesk.com) Received: from 1.strongdesk.com (strongdesk.com [213.239.214.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2466513C4E5 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Mathias.Picker@strongdesk.com) Received: by 1.strongdesk.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BB4F7175B5; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:06:00 +0100 (CET) From: Mathias Picker To: dewey hylton In-Reply-To: <1196258131.474d73536bea1@webmail.hyltown.com> References: <46369.212.120.65.207.1196256244.squirrel@webmail.coolzero.info> <1196258131.474d73536bea1@webmail.hyltown.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: SecureIT Inc, Dominica Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:06:00 +0100 Message-Id: <1196273160.6739.4.camel@1.strongdesk.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: ports@freebsd.org, jim@coolzero.info Subject: Re: Small question about FreeNX for freebsd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:21:21 -0000 The following patch works mostly on 7.0. I had troubles on 6.0, but that might have been a problem with my configuration. Fonts look horrible with subpixel anti-aliasing, but greyscale is fine. Also, the color chooser for the gnome background is broken, but all others (gimp, inkscape, OOo) work fine. All other features seem to work fine. I tried the 3.0 client on windows, the 1.4 on FreeBSD and the 3.0 on Mac (had to manually adjust the keyboard) Cheers, Mathias --- nx-X11/config/cf/FreeBSD.cf.orig 2007-11-28 +++ nx-X11/config/cf/FreeBSD.cf 2007-11-28 @@ -65,7 +65,7 @@ #if (OSMajorVersion >= 3) #define HasIssetugid YES -#define HasPoll YES +#define HasPoll NO #endif #if OSMajorVersion >= 4 @@ -82,6 +82,7 @@ * Multi-thread safe libs */ /* 2.2.7 and later has libc_r (POSIX threads) */ +/* 7.0 and later have libpthread instead of libc_r */ #if OSMajorVersion == 2 && OSMinorVersion == 2 && OSTeenyVersion >= 7 || \ OSMajorVersion >= 3 # ifndef HasLibPthread @@ -106,7 +107,7 @@ # define NeedUIThrStubs YES # endif # if (OSRelVersion >= 500016) -# define ThreadsLibraries -lc_r +# define ThreadsLibraries -lpthread # else # define ThreadsLibraries -pthread # endif Am Mittwoch, den 28.11.2007, 08:55 -0500 schrieb dewey hylton: > Quoting Jim van Wel : > > > Hi there, > > > > Are you going to update this soon to a newer version in the ports? Just > > wondering because of the old version number, and using it of course ;) > > > > Greetings, > > > > Jim. > > the freenx and nxserver ports go hand-in-hand; freenx cannot be updated without > first updating nxserver. unfortunately, i have been so far unable to build later > nxserver sources under xorg-7.x and haven't received working patches either. i > spent plenty of time on the project myself but have been unable to make it work > myself - i need help. patches are welcomed. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 19:54:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E38016A468 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:54:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lavalamp@spiritual-machines.org) Received: from mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com (mx00.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF94E13C4E5 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:54:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lavalamp@spiritual-machines.org) Received: from [192.168.2.62] (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (AUTH: LOGIN seklecki, TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,256bits,AES256-SHA) by wingspan with esmtp; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:44:11 -0500 id 00056442.474DC50B.0000786B From: "Brian A. Seklecki" To: Chris Haulmark In-Reply-To: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730DD5@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730B3B@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> <20071126170656.GA4658@bsdcrew.de> <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220F730DD5@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:44:10 -0500 Message-Id: <1196279050.10583.11.camel@new-host> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 (2.12.1-3.fc8) Cc: jarrod@netleader.com.au, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Martin Wilke Subject: RE: net-mgmt/nagios-devel is 2 versions behind.. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:54:53 -0000 On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 15:13 -0500, Chris Haulmark wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 12:00:33PM -0500, Chris Haulmark wrote: > > > Currently it is nagios-devel 3.0.b5. Can someone please update it > to > > > nagios-devel 3.0.b7. > > > Plus there was a crazy threading issue with B7. I'll submit details in a second. ~BAS > > > > > > > > > > We have Portsfreeze, if you want a patch feel free to try the > > following: > > > > http://miwi.homeunix.com/nagios-devel.diff > > > > Appreciate it! > > > > - - Martin > > > > - -- > > > > +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ > > | PGP : 0x05682353 | Jabber : miwi(at)BSDCrew.de | > > | ICQ : 169139903 | Mail : miwi(at)FreeBSD.org | > > +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ > > | Mess with the Best, Die like the Rest! | > > +-----------------------+-------------------------------+ > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > > > > iD8DBQFHSv0vFwpycAVoI1MRAjQLAJ4+ERXVNUfnl6qnvFX503cgnDA6GACgjSDh > > MuQlytcjbfDcvhgoILKzIAU= > > =c2pA > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > > > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 00:39:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A596B16A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [69.147.64.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A202113C474 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 64261 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 00:39:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=XqHIpRyFEaCyiTXrOu+wcDtz0tibP83QMIk72cB/Q/2LBaT+pvLI2yWqyQhguVRKatzO4kcobDqtTyYBU/xv4dSAADzgOwMRGhHP6qORove/o9Rw+F0kTtaZP4RVsi5y25Zg9lr+3rIbVuQZaR6ahsce4nuPd9iV0ZmAOBjvIAs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp124.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 00:39:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DY3JctgVM1m3ScVFbe7zRm5hFTZjRZrNbl0KWP0gi9SJMqOKTtk3gNE6T0JpojkISACSLa92xQ-- In-Reply-To: <474D084E.7050102@intersonic.se> References: <19181847d045e1ff5e00a0698006a440@prodigy.net> <474D084E.7050102@intersonic.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <34ede6cc4b1d02ab64771ab003518173@prodigy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jekillen Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:40:06 -0800 To: Per olof Ljungmark X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrus_imap23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:39:08 -0000 On Nov 27, 2007, at 10:18 PM, Per olof Ljungmark wrote: > jekillen wrote: >> Hello; >> I have a few questions about the port cyrus-imap23: >> pkg_info produces a long list of software including a >> lot of GUI related stuff. Does this mean that there >> would be a GUI tool for administration of Cyrus Imap? >> I did not see pam as one of the items in this list, but >> I did see pam-mysql (after I installed the pam-mysql >> port). >> I am working with cyradm and using the documentation >> Postfix-Cyrus-Web-cyradm-HOWTO, as well as the >> Postfix manual that covers SASL, PAM, Cyrus, etc >> I just want to clarify what this port installs and how >> it might differ from the above material. >> This is a learning process for me in the spirit of 'learn >> by doing' (and undoing and redoing if necessary). >> Info Appreciated > > Hi, > > Not sure what you mean, this is what I get, not a single GUI in sight > there! Possibly you are mixing it up with other things? > > pkg_info -r cyrus-imapd-2.3.8_1 > Information for cyrus-imapd-2.3.8_1: > > Depends on: > Dependency: perl-5.8.8 > Dependency: p5-Scalar-List-Utils-1.19,1 > Dependency: p5-PathTools-3.25 > Dependency: p5-Pod-Parser-1.35 > Dependency: p5-File-Temp-0.18 > Dependency: db42-4.2.52_5 > Dependency: cyrus-sasl-2.1.22 > > Good luck, > Thank you for the response. This brings up another question. But first let me explain a little. I tried pkg_info cyrus-imap23 and got the response that no package by that name was installed and could not be found, Well, of course that is probably not the exact name and the exact name is expected. So I just cd'd to the cyrus-imap23 dir in ports and did pkg_info with no parameter and got a long list of stuff, including a lot of X11 and X windows stuff. The question is, if I do not know the exact name of a package, how can I do pkg_info on it. A corollary question is: How do I find out exactly how much configuration a port has applied once a port is installed. Apache with php; with or without ssl, might be a typical example. Thus, there is a lot of configuration steps to get Cyrus up and running with Postfix, ClamAV, Amavis new, Spamassassin, PAM, SASL, mysql and all that. How do I find out how much configuration a port has done in a case like this. I did add Cyrus-imap23 and am wondering if it also installed Cyrus SASl. It did create the cyrus user and mail group; I found that out when I went to create the cyrus user and mail group myself. I do not see a separate port for Cyrus SASL. There is a fine line between benefiting from someone else's very good work, and knowing when it is appropriate to take matters into one's own hands. I am not a control freak, I just like to know how stuff works so I can know when it is not working right, and fix it. This is also not really a complaint or criticism. Just a petition for guidance. Thanks again Jeff K From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 01:04:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E56416A41B; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp4.clear.net.nz (smtp4.clear.net.nz [203.97.37.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F8313C465; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from zmori.markir.net (121-72-70-239.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.72.70.239]) by smtp4.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JS800BDYTNICF00@smtp4.clear.net.nz>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:04:31 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:04:19 +1300 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <1196029193.85091.31.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> To: pav@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <474E1013.9090209@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <4749D961.7020305@paradise.net.nz> <1196029193.85091.31.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071025) Cc: FreeBSD Ports Subject: Re: libgphoto2-2.4.0 - PTPBUG_DELETE_SENDS_EVENT caused hang for Canon IXUS 55 and S3 IS X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 01:04:32 -0000 Pav Lucistnik wrote: > Mark Kirkwood pí¹e v po 26. 11. 2007 v 09:21 +1300: > > >> In both cases removing the PTPBUG_DELETE_SENDS_EVENT flag in >> camlibs/ptp2/library.c appeared to fix the issue. >> >> I've attached a patch for this. >> >> I guess this might be worth a pr, but I wondered if other Canon owners >> were seeing this? >> >> As the subject says, libgphoto2-2.4.0 is the version I'm patching. >> > > Hi, > > have you contacted gphoto authors about this? I'm sure they will be > interested fixing this for the next release. > > FYI I joined the gphoto developers list and submitted the same mail there. They have included the patch. I've got an S5 on the way for myself... will be interesting to see if it has the same behaviour. Cheers Mark From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 03:00:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64CF616A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC2413C45B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:00:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071129024520.GEZU17258.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 02:45:20 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAT2jKGU032509; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAT2jJqX057041; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lAT2jJNe057040; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:45:19 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Doug Poland Message-ID: <20071129024519.GA57003@polands.org> References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4948/Wed Nov 28 14:42:33 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:00:57 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:29:38PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > Hello, > > I have a freshly installed 7.0-BETA3 i386 system and am having issues > with firefox 2.0.0.9. > > Upon launching /usr/local/bin/firefox from a command line I am > immediately returned a cursor with an error code of 1. > > % /usr/local/bin/firefox > % echo $? > 1 > > I debugged both /usr/local/bin/firefox and > /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh until I found the debugger > option, which I tried: > > /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g > /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > # /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g \ > /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/firefox > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_linux_plugins:/usr/local/lib/firefox > DISPLAY=:0.0 > DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/components:/usr/local/lib/firefox > SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > LIBPATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > ADDON_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox > MOZ_PROGRAM=/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin > MOZ_TOOLKIT= > moz_debug=1 > moz_debugger= > /usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -x /tmp/mozargs.VoVJBX > GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and > you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under > certain conditions. > Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for > details. > This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging > symbols found)... > (gdb) run > Starting program: /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP > 100191] > (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread > 0x29a01100 (LWP 100191)] > (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100191] > > Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. > [Switching to LWP 100191] > Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable. > It might be running in another process. > Further execution is probably impossible. > 0x2805c3e0 in ?? () from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 > > I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it > curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox > fails like it's native sibling. > > All help is appreciated... > Thought I'd try installing firefox 2.0.0.10,1 on the whim that it may fix my problem. No joy. BTW, how do I get debugging symbols for firefox so that I may further debug this? -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 03:33:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD64C16A418 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9442113C455 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071129033318.DQEP9083.hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:33:18 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAT3XItq032703; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:33:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAT3XH56057218; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:33:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lAT3XHMW057217; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:33:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:33:17 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Mike Bowie Message-ID: <20071129033317.GA57175@polands.org> References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20071129024519.GA57003@polands.org> <474E2DF0.9070506@buzmo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474E2DF0.9070506@buzmo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4948/Wed Nov 28 14:42:33 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:33:19 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:11:44PM -0800, Mike Bowie wrote: > Doug Poland wrote: > >On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:29:38PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > > > >>Hello, > >> > >>I have a freshly installed 7.0-BETA3 i386 system and am having issues > >>with firefox 2.0.0.9. > >> > >>Upon launching /usr/local/bin/firefox from a command line I am > >>immediately returned a cursor with an error code of 1. > >> > >>% /usr/local/bin/firefox > >>% echo $? > >>1 > >> > >>I debugged both /usr/local/bin/firefox and > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh until I found the debugger > >>option, which I tried: > >> > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > >> > >># /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g \ > >> /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > >> > >>MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/firefox > >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_linux_plugins:/usr/local/lib/firefox > >>DISPLAY=:0.0 > >>DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > >> LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/components:/usr/local/lib/firefox > >> SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > >> LIBPATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > >> ADDON_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox > >> MOZ_PROGRAM=/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin > >> MOZ_TOOLKIT= > >> moz_debug=1 > >> moz_debugger= > >>/usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -x /tmp/mozargs.VoVJBX > >>GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > >>Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > >>GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and > >>you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under > >>certain conditions. > >>Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > >>There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for > >>details. > >>This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging > >>symbols found)... > >>(gdb) run > >>Starting program: /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP > >>100191] > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread > >>0x29a01100 (LWP 100191)] > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > >>debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100191] > >> > >>Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. > >>[Switching to LWP 100191] > >>Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable. > >>It might be running in another process. > >>Further execution is probably impossible. > >>0x2805c3e0 in ?? () from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 > >> > >>I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it > >>curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox > >>fails like it's native sibling. > >> > >>All help is appreciated... > >> > >> > >Thought I'd try installing firefox 2.0.0.10,1 on the whim that it may > >fix my problem. No joy. > > > >BTW, how do I get debugging symbols for firefox so that I may further > >debug this? > > > > > > > Doug, > > I had a 7.0-BETA2 system on a laptop for a few days and recall having > a similar sounding problem with both firefox and firefox-devel. IIRC, > it turned out to be a dependency which was somehow missed in my rather > minimal installation. It was a few weeks back and my brain is a bit > full, but you might see if something is lacking in the results of a > "ldd /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin". > Hi Mike, Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I don't see anything missing on that ldd output. I'll check it against another freebsd host that runs firefox, maybe that'll shed some light on the subject. -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 03:38:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA06F16A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) Received: from mail191.messagelabs.com (mail191.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2F813C43E for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:38:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: mbowie@buzmo.com X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-191.messagelabs.com!1196305909!14015296!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [69.12.11.76] Received: (qmail 23722 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 03:11:49 -0000 Received: from smtp0.dfw.fabriclabs.com (HELO smtp0.dfw.fabriclabs.com) (69.12.11.76) by server-13.tower-191.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 03:11:49 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.111] ([71.143.151.88]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp0.dfw.fabriclabs.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAT3BSAi039746; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:11:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) Message-ID: <474E2DF0.9070506@buzmo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:11:44 -0800 From: Mike Bowie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Doug Poland References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20071129024519.GA57003@polands.org> In-Reply-To: <20071129024519.GA57003@polands.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 03:38:30 -0000 Doug Poland wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:29:38PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have a freshly installed 7.0-BETA3 i386 system and am having issues >> with firefox 2.0.0.9. >> >> Upon launching /usr/local/bin/firefox from a command line I am >> immediately returned a cursor with an error code of 1. >> >> % /usr/local/bin/firefox >> % echo $? >> 1 >> >> I debugged both /usr/local/bin/firefox and >> /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh until I found the debugger >> option, which I tried: >> >> /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g >> /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb >> >> # /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g \ >> /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb >> >> MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/firefox >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_linux_plugins:/usr/local/lib/firefox >> DISPLAY=:0.0 >> DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox >> LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/components:/usr/local/lib/firefox >> SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox >> LIBPATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox >> ADDON_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox >> MOZ_PROGRAM=/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin >> MOZ_TOOLKIT= >> moz_debug=1 >> moz_debugger= >> /usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -x /tmp/mozargs.VoVJBX >> GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] >> Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. >> GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and >> you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under >> certain conditions. >> Type "show copying" to see the conditions. >> There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for >> details. >> This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging >> symbols found)... >> (gdb) run >> Starting program: /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb >> (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP >> 100191] >> (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread >> 0x29a01100 (LWP 100191)] >> (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no >> debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100191] >> >> Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. >> [Switching to LWP 100191] >> Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable. >> It might be running in another process. >> Further execution is probably impossible. >> 0x2805c3e0 in ?? () from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 >> >> I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it >> curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox >> fails like it's native sibling. >> >> All help is appreciated... >> >> > Thought I'd try installing firefox 2.0.0.10,1 on the whim that it may > fix my problem. No joy. > > BTW, how do I get debugging symbols for firefox so that I may further > debug this? > > > Doug, I had a 7.0-BETA2 system on a laptop for a few days and recall having a similar sounding problem with both firefox and firefox-devel. IIRC, it turned out to be a dependency which was somehow missed in my rather minimal installation. It was a few weeks back and my brain is a bit full, but you might see if something is lacking in the results of a "ldd /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin". Cheers, Mike. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 04:21:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB25116A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9111613C44B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071129042120.HSZE17258.hrndva-omta01.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:21:20 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAT4LJFC032860; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:21:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAT4LJtB057515; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:21:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lAT4LJdj057514; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:21:19 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:21:19 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Mike Bowie , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071129042119.GA57479@polands.org> References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20071129024519.GA57003@polands.org> <474E2DF0.9070506@buzmo.com> <20071129033317.GA57175@polands.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071129033317.GA57175@polands.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4948/Wed Nov 28 14:42:33 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 04:21:21 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:33:17PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:11:44PM -0800, Mike Bowie wrote: > > Doug Poland wrote: > > >On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:29:38PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > > > > > >>Hello, > > >> > > >>I have a freshly installed 7.0-BETA3 i386 system and am having issues > > >>with firefox 2.0.0.9. > > >> > > >>Upon launching /usr/local/bin/firefox from a command line I am > > >>immediately returned a cursor with an error code of 1. > > >> > > >>% /usr/local/bin/firefox > > >>% echo $? > > >>1 > > >> > > >>I debugged both /usr/local/bin/firefox and > > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh until I found the debugger > > >>option, which I tried: > > >> > > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g > > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > >> > > >># /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g \ > > >> /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > >> > > >>MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/firefox > > >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_linux_plugins:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > >>DISPLAY=:0.0 > > >>DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > >> LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/components:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > >> SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > >> LIBPATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > >> ADDON_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox > > >> MOZ_PROGRAM=/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin > > >> MOZ_TOOLKIT= > > >> moz_debug=1 > > >> moz_debugger= > > >>/usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -x /tmp/mozargs.VoVJBX > > >>GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > > >>Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > >>GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and > > >>you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under > > >>certain conditions. > > >>Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > > >>There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for > > >>details. > > >>This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging > > >>symbols found)... > > >>(gdb) run > > >>Starting program: /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP > > >>100191] > > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread > > >>0x29a01100 (LWP 100191)] > > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > >>debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100191] > > >> > > >>Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. > > >>[Switching to LWP 100191] > > >>Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable. > > >>It might be running in another process. > > >>Further execution is probably impossible. > > >>0x2805c3e0 in ?? () from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 > > >> > > >>I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it > > >>curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox > > >>fails like it's native sibling. > > >> > > >>All help is appreciated... > > >> > > >> > > >Thought I'd try installing firefox 2.0.0.10,1 on the whim that it may > > >fix my problem. No joy. > > > > > >BTW, how do I get debugging symbols for firefox so that I may further > > >debug this? > > > > > > > > > > > Doug, > > > > I had a 7.0-BETA2 system on a laptop for a few days and recall having > > a similar sounding problem with both firefox and firefox-devel. IIRC, > > it turned out to be a dependency which was somehow missed in my rather > > minimal installation. It was a few weeks back and my brain is a bit > > full, but you might see if something is lacking in the results of a > > "ldd /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin". > > > Hi Mike, > > Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I don't see anything missing on that > ldd output. I'll check it against another freebsd host that runs > firefox, maybe that'll shed some light on the subject. > I compared it against a 6.2-STABLE box running Xorg 6.9. and nothing looks ununusal. Although, admittedly, I may not know what to look for. In addition, I just finished rebuilding all of firefox's dependancies: # portupgrade -fR firefox > and that still has not fixed the problem. -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 05:09:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B9916A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80A8113C45A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1662865nfb for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:09:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=jyTS3UlTHNkOe609574yr+gnyDS7Myhthd+8cRKH+C8=; b=yIDpkHvpVNKqtQEytMneo9/w3Pri72a7mKM6KGvnzwhH9w7afA+GL/4spsmFXONK2U88Y2AXjzhCFAAoks/YuVH6HtZ80sVWInJ8CEhMzzQq+bU8qYel2jI4ZJE/9ocH/EyR+o0D+TOj9WWknsxZJKE8Ho4F9neoNwwnXfo8SC8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ikb0vm/YQLfbNg1Otsw0psRjul4i82CeqJQw+DP/lW6kCCU6oMVo6TXszjGjnnTCKOzWO2ADQ+QhjfPdU0KqcU9omubaZUa6ofUkc3nNNi14OCrXbTu0gOyz1e/R5HSXLdR3DeNxksEkyHsIMzqBmP8a5nCFtzYFkSnuocWU+vc= Received: by 10.86.71.1 with SMTP id t1mr5716712fga.1196312983123; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:09:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.3.20 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:09:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <790a9fff0711282109s5ebb4462k8a4dee8422ea127f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 23:09:43 -0600 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: jekillen In-Reply-To: <34ede6cc4b1d02ab64771ab003518173@prodigy.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <19181847d045e1ff5e00a0698006a440@prodigy.net> <474D084E.7050102@intersonic.se> <34ede6cc4b1d02ab64771ab003518173@prodigy.net> Cc: Per olof Ljungmark , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrus_imap23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:09:45 -0000 On 11/28/07, Kellen wrote: > > This brings up another question. But first > let me explain a little. I tried pkg_info Cyrus-imap23 > and got the response that no package by that name > was installed and could not be found, Well, of course > that is probably not the exact name and the exact name > is expected. So I just cd'd to the Cyrus-imap23 dir in > ports and did pkg_info with no parameter and got a > long list of stuff, including a lot of X11 and X windows > stuff. > The question is, if I do not know the exact name of > a package, how can I do pkg_info on it. It is quite simple to do a pkg_info on a port you don't know the exact name: cd /usr/ports/mail/Cyrus-imap23 pkg_info `make -V PKGNAME` or look in /var/db/pkg for the ports that have already been installed. > A corollary question is: How do I find out exactly how > much configuration a port has applied once a port > is installed. Apache with php; with or without ssl, might be a typical > example. The port maintainers try to create the ports so that you have minimal amount of work to configure the ports. But you still need to review the configuration files installed for each port to ensure they are appropriate for you system. > Thus, there is a lot of configuration steps to get Cyrus > up and running with Postfix, ClamAV, Amavis new, Spamassassin, > PAM, SASL, mysql and all that. How do I find out how much configuration > a port has done in a case like this. Just break the task into steps that need to be accomplished to reach your goal: assuming your using mysql to contain users: 1. configure postfix to send/receive mail for your domain 2. configure mysql server 3. setup pam_mysql 4. configure cyrus-sasl to authenticate users from mysql 5. configure cyrus-imapd 6. configure postfix to deliver messages to cyrus-imapd, test message delivery 7. configure ClamAV 8. configure Amavis 9. configure postfix to have Amavis scan messages, test message delivery 10. configure Spamassassion 11. configure postfix to scan messages for spam with Spamassassion, test message delivery. 12. monitor mail delivery until your satisfied that it is working properly. > I did add Cyrus-imap23 and am > wondering if it also installed Cyrus SASl. It did create the Cyrus user > and mail group; I found that out when I went to create the Cyrus user > and mail group myself. I do not see a separate port for Cyrus SASL. There is a separate port for Cyrus-sasl2: /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 Scot From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 05:46:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85FD16A421 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:46:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toddmartin@techie.com) Received: from mail9.dslextreme.com (mail9.dslextreme.com [66.51.199.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F76313C4E3 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:46:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toddmartin@techie.com) Received: (qmail 16862 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 05:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wicked.iname.com) (tmartin@66.134.99.71) by mail9.dslextreme.com with SMTP; Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:19:54 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:19:57 -0800 To: timur@FreeBSD.org From: Todd Martin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071129054634.8F76313C4E3@mx1.freebsd.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:25:08 +0000 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: samba-3.0.26a_2,1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 05:46:34 -0000 Hello, Over the weekend, I updated my ports to the latest versions. Samba was updated in the process to 3.0.26a_2,1. After this I was unable to mount my samba shares from my 2nd FreeBSD machine. I have researched it a bit, and found that this particular release only has the cifs protocol and not smb protocol. Samba.org re-enabled the smb protocol in their latest 3.0.27a release. If you were not already aware of this, I am glad I could help. I would like to know if you plan on updating the Samba port to the 3.0.27a version? Next to that info, do you know what version I should roll-back to to fix this issue? Thanks for any assistance. Todd Martin toddmartin@techie.com S. Todd Martin From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 06:42:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0171016A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:42:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5EB13C458 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:42:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAT6g3vg066332; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:42:04 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Message-ID: <474E5F3B.6010202@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:42:03 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jekillen References: <19181847d045e1ff5e00a0698006a440@prodigy.net> <474D084E.7050102@intersonic.se> <34ede6cc4b1d02ab64771ab003518173@prodigy.net> In-Reply-To: <34ede6cc4b1d02ab64771ab003518173@prodigy.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:42:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4948/Wed Nov 28 20:42:33 2007 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: Per olof Ljungmark , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrus_imap23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:42:17 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 jekillen wrote: > The question is, if I do not know the exact name of > a package, how can I do pkg_info on it. pkg_info -x foo Where 'foo' is just a string to match in the package name. Eg. % pkg_info -Ix apache apache-2.2.6_2 Version 2.2 of Apache web server with prefork MPM. apache-ant-1.7.0_1 Java- and XML-based build tool, conceptually similar to mak Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHTl878Mjk52CukIwRCIPAAJ0Y/DQa23z+4NPpu6GoTeNHoYPPgwCeLm0q 8oE18mtRr1WiA6IJFogheB0= =pKXJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 14:18:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCC516A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.123]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C64913C442 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:18:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from corinth.polands.org ([75.87.219.217]) by hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071129141806.XRHJ9427.hrndva-omta04.mail.rr.com@corinth.polands.org>; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:18:06 +0000 Received: from ammon.polands.org (ammon.polands.org [172.16.1.7]) by corinth.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATEI5AB035371; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:18:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@polands.org) Received: from ammon.polands.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lATEI5dl071534; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:18:05 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp@ammon.polands.org) Received: (from djp@localhost) by ammon.polands.org (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lATEI4t9071533; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:18:04 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from djp) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:18:04 -0600 From: Doug Poland To: Mike Bowie , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, yuri.pankov@gmail.com Message-ID: <20071129141804.GA71334@polands.org> References: <61375.208.49.58.254.1196281778.squirrel@email.polands.org> <20071129024519.GA57003@polands.org> <474E2DF0.9070506@buzmo.com> <20071129033317.GA57175@polands.org> <20071129042119.GA57479@polands.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071129042119.GA57479@polands.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.4/4952/Thu Nov 29 06:52:37 2007 on corinth.polands.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Subject: Re: Firefox 2.0.0.9 issues on 7.0-BETA3 (SOLVED) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:18:07 -0000 On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 10:21:19PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:33:17PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:11:44PM -0800, Mike Bowie wrote: > > > Doug Poland wrote: > > > >On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 02:29:38PM -0600, Doug Poland wrote: > > > > > > > >>Hello, > > > >> > > > >>I have a freshly installed 7.0-BETA3 i386 system and am having > > > >>issues with firefox 2.0.0.9. > > > >> > > > >>Upon launching /usr/local/bin/firefox from a command line I am > > > >>immediately returned a cursor with an error code of 1. > > > >> > > > >>% /usr/local/bin/firefox > > > >>% echo $? > > > >>1 > > > >> > > > >>I debugged both /usr/local/bin/firefox and > > > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh until I found the debugger > > > >>option, which I tried: > > > >> > > > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g > > > >>/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > > >> > > > >># /usr/local/lib/firefox/run-mozilla.sh -g \ > > > >> /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > > >> > > > >>MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/lib/firefox > > > >> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_plugins:/usr/local/lib/browser_linux_plugins:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > > >>DISPLAY=:0.0 > > > >>DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > > >> LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox/components:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > > >> SHLIB_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > > >> LIBPATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox:/usr/local/lib/firefox > > > >> ADDON_PATH=/usr/local/lib/firefox > > > >> MOZ_PROGRAM=/usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin > > > >> MOZ_TOOLKIT= > > > >> moz_debug=1 > > > >> moz_debugger= > > > >>/usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -x /tmp/mozargs.VoVJBX > > > >>GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] > > > >>Copyright 2004 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > > > >>GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and > > > >>you are welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under > > > >>certain conditions. > > > >>Type "show copying" to see the conditions. > > > >>There is absolutely no warranty for GDB. Type "show warranty" for > > > >>details. > > > >>This GDB was configured as "i386-marcel-freebsd"...(no debugging > > > >>symbols found)... > > > >>(gdb) run > > > >>Starting program: /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin -d gdb > > > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New LWP > > > >>100191] > > > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...[New Thread > > > >>0x29a01100 (LWP 100191)] > > > >>(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no > > > >>debugging symbols found)...[New LWP 100191] > > > >> > > > >>Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. > > > >>[Switching to LWP 100191] > > > >>Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable. > > > >>It might be running in another process. > > > >>Further execution is probably impossible. > > > >>0x2805c3e0 in ?? () from /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 > > > >> > > > >>I did some googling but nothing interesting turned up. I find it > > > >>curious that the latest build of Thunderbird works, but linux-firefox > > > >>fails like it's native sibling. > > > >> > > > >>All help is appreciated... > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Thought I'd try installing firefox 2.0.0.10,1 on the whim that it may > > > >fix my problem. No joy. > > > > > > > >BTW, how do I get debugging symbols for firefox so that I may further > > > >debug this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug, > > > > > > I had a 7.0-BETA2 system on a laptop for a few days and recall having > > > a similar sounding problem with both firefox and firefox-devel. IIRC, > > > it turned out to be a dependency which was somehow missed in my rather > > > minimal installation. It was a few weeks back and my brain is a bit > > > full, but you might see if something is lacking in the results of a > > > "ldd /usr/local/lib/firefox/firefox-bin". > > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I don't see anything missing on that > > ldd output. I'll check it against another freebsd host that runs > > firefox, maybe that'll shed some light on the subject. > > > I compared it against a 6.2-STABLE box running Xorg 6.9. and nothing > looks ununusal. Although, admittedly, I may not know what to look for. > > In addition, I just finished rebuilding all of firefox's dependancies: > > # portupgrade -fR firefox > > > and that still has not fixed the problem. > Well, those that pointed out permission and ownership fixes with ~/.mozilla were on the right track. I did not point out initially was that my ~/.mozilla directory was a restore from a backup. And that back up was made *after* a disk malfunction and failed fsck attempts. My solution was to move my ~/.mozzila directory to a different name, and launch firefox, voila! I did find a good resource on-line for troubleshooting Firefox startup issues (http://kb.mozillazine.org/Standard_diagnostic_-_Firefox). I went through every step, but no joy. An important file must have be corrupted during the crash and firefox refuses to start. Thanks for your assistance. -- Regards, Doug From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 14:36:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2CA516A41A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freenx@deweyonline.com) Received: from tuxpro.hyltown.com (docsis-cbm-15-101.nclxtn.lexcominc.net [209.102.254.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C51513C4D1 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freenx@deweyonline.com) Received: from localhost (webmail.hyltown.com [10.0.0.247]) by tuxpro.hyltown.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id lATFmAc28642; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:48:10 -0500 Received: from tfw-telcove.tgic.com (tfw-telcove.tgic.com [72.236.26.13]) by webmail.hyltown.com (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:48:20 -0500 Message-ID: <1196347700.474ed13450c07@webmail.hyltown.com> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:48:20 -0500 From: dewey hylton To: Mathias Picker References: <46369.212.120.65.207.1196256244.squirrel@webmail.coolzero.info> <1196258131.474d73536bea1@webmail.hyltown.com> <1196273160.6739.4.camel@1.strongdesk.com> <1196282139.474dd11bdfcd1@webmail.hyltown.com> <1196341351.62838.4.camel@1.strongdesk.com> In-Reply-To: <1196341351.62838.4.camel@1.strongdesk.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.1 X-Originating-IP: 72.236.26.13 Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Small question about FreeNX for freebsd. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 14:36:07 -0000 Quoting Mathias Picker : > It's for the port I got from your website. Might be some time since I > unpacked it. okay, i'll try that first and then see if i can't make the patch fit the newer sources as well. thanks again! From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 16:44:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E7BC16A46C for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:44:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toddmartin@techie.com) Received: from mail9.dslextreme.com (mail9.dslextreme.com [66.51.199.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F80013C4FD for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:44:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toddmartin@techie.com) Received: (qmail 22123 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2007 16:44:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wicked.iname.com) (tmartin@66.134.99.71) by mail9.dslextreme.com with SMTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:44:56 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:44:59 -0800 To: timur@FreeBSD.org From: Todd Martin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071129164457.0F80013C4FD@mx1.freebsd.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:12:04 +0000 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: samba-3.0.26a_2,1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 16:44:57 -0000 Hello again, to test further on the smb/cifs protocol issue... this morning,I installed the latest source of samba 3.0.27a and tested connection with mount_smb. the problem persisted. So I need to know what version of the port still worked with this client. Hopefully you know. This is very frustrating. all my windows clients work fine because the support cifs, but my bsd client fails to operate. thanks again. S. Todd Martin From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 23:08:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94D3216A419 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:08:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alepulver@FreeBSD.org) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EF50C13C45B for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alepulver@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 73657 invoked by uid 0); 29 Nov 2007 22:42:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO deimos.mars.bsd) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 22:42:08 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 200.127.53.54 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:42:00 -0300 From: Alejandro Pulver To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071129194200.653ba069@deimos.mars.bsd> In-Reply-To: <474C2B44.3000403@gmail.com> References: <5ea5cca50711270603h4de18c27p2821bc211f89bcb2@mail.gmail.com> <474C2B44.3000403@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/cTubF54vl6WVlsT83Jdy6bu"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Yi Wang Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:08:54 -0000 --Sig_/cTubF54vl6WVlsT83Jdy6bu Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MP_/uvrXY5peMy3ROhB70Ew3fBx" --MP_/uvrXY5peMy3ROhB70Ew3fBx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > Then, I execute this command: > > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > > but is also says: > > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > > > Is this a bug of mount? >=20 > I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > > > uname -a: > > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 > > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > > >=20 Can't reproduce in my machine, please try with the latest version (attached as shell archive). Best Regards, Ale --MP_/uvrXY5peMy3ROhB70Ew3fBx-- --Sig_/cTubF54vl6WVlsT83Jdy6bu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHT0A4iV05EpRcP2ERAgw6AJ9pV37btmgrQADSjR1MZ3PvNegPUgCeIhWB BJzFPw242cA56+sF351t0s4= =kLWj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/cTubF54vl6WVlsT83Jdy6bu-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 23:42:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5159D16A417 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:42:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alejandro@varnet.biz) Received: from relay00.pair.com (relay00.pair.com [209.68.5.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D71A113C448 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:42:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alejandro@varnet.biz) Received: (qmail 87890 invoked by uid 0); 29 Nov 2007 23:16:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO deimos.mars.bsd) (unknown) by unknown with SMTP; 29 Nov 2007 23:16:16 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 200.127.53.54 Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:16:14 -0300 From: Alejandro Pulver To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071129201614.2da0816b@deimos.mars.bsd> In-Reply-To: <20071129194200.653ba069@deimos.mars.bsd> References: <5ea5cca50711270603h4de18c27p2821bc211f89bcb2@mail.gmail.com> <474C2B44.3000403@gmail.com> <20071129194200.653ba069@deimos.mars.bsd> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/9fGcssEI=JstfV7KSisWjd_"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Yi Wang Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:42:58 -0000 --Sig_/9fGcssEI=JstfV7KSisWjd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:42:00 -0300 Alejandro Pulver wrote: > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >=20 > > > Then, I execute this command: > > > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > > > but is also says: > > > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > > > > > Is this a bug of mount? > >=20 > > I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > > > > > uname -a: > > > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 > > > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > > > > >=20 >=20 > Can't reproduce in my machine, please try with the latest version > (attached as shell archive). >=20 Sorry, it was stripped. It's available here: ftp://ftp.alepulver.com.ar/fusefs-ntfs.shar Best Regards, Ale --Sig_/9fGcssEI=JstfV7KSisWjd_ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHT0g+iV05EpRcP2ERAoCiAKC1fi3SC/J+Ul//8c6NrZK9cT5xRwCgg4e7 IYeQ7oaM9jQUJ0dYf2C3xVQ= =VI+O -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/9fGcssEI=JstfV7KSisWjd_-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Nov 29 23:46:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359D416A420 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE3813C4D3 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lATNk6kT071244 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:46:07 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lATNk6KM071239 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:46:06 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:46:06 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200711292346.lATNk6KM071239@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:46:07 -0000 INDEX build failed with errors: Generating INDEX-5 - please wait../libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 1229: warning: "echo "/nonexistent/libglade-java/options"" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 342: warning: "echo " "" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 325: warning: "echo " "" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 318: warning: "test -x "/nonexistentlocal/jdk1.4.2/bin/javac" && echo "JAVA_PORT_NATIVE_BSDJAVA_JDK_1_4" || true" returned non-zero status "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 341: warning: "echo "" | /usr/bin/grep -q "JAVA_PORT_LINUX_SUN_JDK_1_3" && echo "JAVA_PORT_LINUX_SUN_JDK_1_3" || true" returned non-zero status "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 252: warning: "echo "1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.3+ 1.4+ 1.5+ 1.6+ 1.1+ 1.2+" | /usr/bin/sed "s/ /\\\|/g"" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 319: warning: "echo " "" returned non-zero status "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 342: warning: "echo " "" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 254: warning: "echo "1.2+" | LANG=C /usr/bin/tr " " "\n" | /usr/bin/grep -v "" || true" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" [...] "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 353: warning: "echo "JAVA_PORT_NATIVE_FREEBSD_JDK_1_5 JAVA_PORT_NATIVE_FREEBSD_JDK_1_5 JAVA_PORT_NATIVE_BSDJAVA_JDK_1_6 JAVA_PORT_NATIVE_BSDJAVA_JDK_1_5 JAVA_PORT_NATIVE_BSDJAVA_JDK_1_4 JAVA_PORT_NATIVE_BSDJAVA_JDK_1_3 JAVA_PORT_LINUX_SUN_JDK_1_6 JAVA_PORT_LINUX_SUN_JDK_1_5 JAVA_PORT_LINUX_SUN_JDK_1_4 JAVA_PORT_LINUX_SUN_JDK_1_3 JAVA_PORT_LINUX_BLACKDOWN_JDK_1_4" | /usr/bin/awk '{ print $1 }'" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 264: warning: "echo "" | LANG=C /usr/bin/tr " " "\n" | /usr/bin/grep -v "" || true" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 272: warning: "echo "native linux" | /usr/bin/sed "s/ /\\\|/g"" returned non-zero status /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libncurses.so.7" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 319: warning: "echo " "" returned non-zero status ===> games/crafty-open-enormous failed "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.java.mk", line 274: warning: "echo "native" | LANG=C /usr/bin/tr " " "\n" | /usr/bin/grep -v "" || true" returned non-zero status *** Error code 1 /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: Cannot open "/lib/libedit.so.6" "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 1229: warning: "echo "/nonexistent/posix/options"" returned non-zero status *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. 1 error Committers on the hook: Most recent CVS update was: From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 00:47:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9A716A41B for ; 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(jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp121.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 01:02:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: eY2TpHIVM1kByr49rXixwOjU3oMF.0NRGFW7m8ps2BUL1_Rao1tZEYzzfjVHPzRrSb.shpzA0A-- In-Reply-To: <474E5F3B.6010202@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <19181847d045e1ff5e00a0698006a440@prodigy.net> <474D084E.7050102@intersonic.se> <34ede6cc4b1d02ab64771ab003518173@prodigy.net> <474E5F3B.6010202@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <90c88b6d19092d319c5a8f9a76f61478@prodigy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jekillen Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:03:07 -0800 To: Matthew Seaman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrus_imap23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:02:07 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Matthew Seaman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > jekillen wrote: > >> The question is, if I do not know the exact name of >> a package, how can I do pkg_info on it. > > pkg_info -x foo > > Where 'foo' is just a string to match in the package name. Eg. > > % pkg_info -Ix apache > apache-2.2.6_2 Version 2.2 of Apache web server with prefork MPM. > apache-ant-1.7.0_1 Java- and XML-based build tool, conceptually > similar to mak > > Cheers, > > Matthew > Thanks for the info; Much appreciated Jeff K From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 01:08:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4A916A469 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from biahus@operamail.com) Received: from fallback.us4.outblaze.com (fallback.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9963B13C45B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:08:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from biahus@operamail.com) Received: from webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com [205.158.62.67]) by fallback.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96AB01C0AC70 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:50:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from unknown (unknown [192.168.8.90]) by webmail-outgoing.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix) with QMQP id 1E848180013C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:50:07 +0000 (GMT) X-OB-Received: from unknown (205.158.62.131) by wfilter2.us4.outblaze.com; 30 Nov 2007 00:50:06 -0000 Received: by ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id DF04D440EA; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:50:06 +0000 (GMT) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="_----------=_1196383806211500" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Suhaib ." To: "Alejandro Pulver" , "Aryeh M. Friedman" Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:50:06 +0100 Received: from [82.40.179.180] by ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com with http for biahus@operamail.com; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:50:06 +0100 X-Originating-Ip: 82.40.179.180 X-Originating-Server: ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com Message-Id: <20071130005006.DF04D440EA@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Yi Wang Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:08:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --_----------=_1196383806211500 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alejandro Pulver" > To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" > Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:16:14 -0300 > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:42:00 -0300 > Alejandro Pulver wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > > > > > Then, I execute this command: > > > > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > > > > but is also says: > > > > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > > > > > > > Is this a bug of mount? > > > > I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > > > > > > > uname -a: > > > > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18= :30 > > > > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > > > > > > > Can't reproduce in my machine, please try with the latest version > > (attached as shell archive). > > > > Sorry, it was stripped. It's available here: > > ftp://ftp.alepulver.com.ar/fusefs-ntfs.shar > > Best Regards, > Ale > << signature.asc >> I had the same problem on RELENG_7 and made a minor edit to mount=20 for ntfs-3g to work. However,I have not had the time to investigate=20 whether or not it is the correct solution, see the comment about=20 nmount() in mount.c To try out the change apply the attached patch file from /usr/src,=20 then cd to /usr/src/sbin/mount and run make. A quick test... # mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt mount: /dev/da8s1 : Operation not supported by device # /usr/obj/usr/src/sbin/mount/mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt -- Suhaib --=20 _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze --_----------=_1196383806211500 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mount.c.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="mount.c.patch" KioqIC4vc2Jpbi9tb3VudC9tb3VudC5jCi0tLSAuL3NiaW4vbW91bnQvbW91 bnQuYwoqKioqKioqKioqKioqKioKKioqIDEzNiwxNDIgKioqKgogIAljb25z dCBjaGFyICpmc1tdID0gewogIAkiY2Q5NjYwIiwgIm1mcyIsICJtc2Rvc2Zz IiwgIm5mcyIsICJuZnM0IiwgIm50ZnMiLAogIAkibndmcyIsICJudWxsZnMi LCAicG9ydGFsZnMiLCAic21iZnMiLCAidWRmIiwgInVuaW9uZnMiLAohIAlO VUxMCiAgCX07CiAgCiAgCWZvciAoaSA9IDA7IGZzW2ldICE9IE5VTEw7ICsr aSkgewotLS0gMTM2LDE0MiAtLS0tCiAgCWNvbnN0IGNoYXIgKmZzW10gPSB7 CiAgCSJjZDk2NjAiLCAibWZzIiwgIm1zZG9zZnMiLCAibmZzIiwgIm5mczQi LCAibnRmcyIsCiAgCSJud2ZzIiwgIm51bGxmcyIsICJwb3J0YWxmcyIsICJz bWJmcyIsICJ1ZGYiLCAidW5pb25mcyIsCiEgCSJudGZzLTNnIiwgTlVMTAog IAl9OwogIAogIAlmb3IgKGkgPSAwOyBmc1tpXSAhPSBOVUxMOyArK2kpIHsK --_----------=_1196383806211500-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 01:23:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C23216A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E20213C45A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:23:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1545735nzf for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:23:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ePeuasutFOTZsmQ3oPP2JGYuPGec7HEaYTzyceVy128=; b=lNNb7hVrhoO2pQrcFEPNj9VUhiJiJH5GVmfCSW2cAtt99tMa8K1zM15jMn6ZYRLx9oGdlfPGw3mU1cWUTLIiKQUJqGcyxib2DZfEvu1qCj4dZG6VaanLNKI7B2Hwr7YigBGJhW8HytqJ8Ao66g1jc3I9b8Xv0yiMTxdjF8I5wXc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YmLG9TD5WLiLO96nFUnlMCDRBy6dHJTqBWY9rCiRubVxc2v2e2T7NJMiCp4LK4tIO/2UDccKNSm6L+MEqP7pOeySDCJ6F+Jbu0sP0/s/eZQXg19VKdFiXjslk2o/tZ/wymakv6pTW/zvRkRSvHLfDFfaBeN+Zxx8okKEviG0Iew= Received: by 10.142.185.13 with SMTP id i13mr664260wff.1196385827261; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.44.10 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:23:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ea5cca50711291723g31b7fa36mf2052628487e17f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:23:47 +0800 From: "Yi Wang" To: "Alejandro Pulver" In-Reply-To: <20071129201614.2da0816b@deimos.mars.bsd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <5ea5cca50711270603h4de18c27p2821bc211f89bcb2@mail.gmail.com> <474C2B44.3000403@gmail.com> <20071129194200.653ba069@deimos.mars.bsd> <20071129201614.2da0816b@deimos.mars.bsd> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, "Aryeh M. Friedman" Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:23:49 -0000 Thanks for your hard work! But the latest version doesn't solve the problem either. ls /var/db/pkg | grep ntfs fusefs-ntfs-1.1120 uname -a FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #1: Thu Nov 29 10:44:52 CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ULE i386 On 11/30/07, Alejandro Pulver wrote: > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:42:00 -0300 > Alejandro Pulver wrote: > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > > > > > Then, I execute this command: > > > > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > > > > but is also says: > > > > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > > > > > > > Is this a bug of mount? > > > > > > I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > > > > > > > uname -a: > > > > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 > > > > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > > > > > > > > > > > Can't reproduce in my machine, please try with the latest version > > (attached as shell archive). > > > > Sorry, it was stripped. It's available here: > > ftp://ftp.alepulver.com.ar/fusefs-ntfs.shar > > Best Regards, > Ale > > -- Regards, Wang Yi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 01:30:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8661116A421 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3181713C45B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:30:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 22015 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2007 01:03:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:In-Reply-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Message-Id:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:From:Subject:Date:To:X-Mailer; b=L2MEfknPQz/pvpPqeCqhMTMy3cwK/kCfDajyyImd0x5Ii0V5kjv3JBydok7qtpDo6z9BmoLrZI9KsxZQOu0W47HjLZ5PPfm+o3CZVFQ8v+kTfe/jd8qVJgRzK2c/R6zhA6XF99iNS5dlYNLe6MIj4J7X7/wTWvoPg/QFVE43nh0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 01:03:53 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: uajgCvwVM1nRT1bJiAFoKlMqBJpGCwPSGge2mvNxp9VKn8HSc2.7pGmM_fj3nz4NIVkS792m0g-- In-Reply-To: <790a9fff0711282109s5ebb4462k8a4dee8422ea127f@mail.gmail.com> References: <19181847d045e1ff5e00a0698006a440@prodigy.net> <474D084E.7050102@intersonic.se> <34ede6cc4b1d02ab64771ab003518173@prodigy.net> <790a9fff0711282109s5ebb4462k8a4dee8422ea127f@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <589cc63272e00ba4959cb849ad2a0652@prodigy.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: jekillen Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 17:04:54 -0800 To: "Scot Hetzel" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cyrus_imap23 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:30:35 -0000 On Nov 28, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Scot Hetzel wrote: > On 11/28/07, Kellen wrote: >> > >> This brings up another question. But first >> let me explain a little. I tried pkg_info Cyrus-imap23 >> and got the response that no package by that name >> was installed and could not be found, Well, of course >> that is probably not the exact name and the exact name >> is expected. So I just cd'd to the Cyrus-imap23 dir in >> ports and did pkg_info with no parameter and got a >> long list of stuff, including a lot of X11 and X windows >> stuff. >> The question is, if I do not know the exact name of >> a package, how can I do pkg_info on it. > > It is quite simple to do a pkg_info on a port you don't know the exact > name: > > cd /usr/ports/mail/Cyrus-imap23 > pkg_info `make -V PKGNAME` > > or look in /var/db/pkg for the ports that have already been installed. > >> A corollary question is: How do I find out exactly how >> much configuration a port has applied once a port >> is installed. Apache with php; with or without ssl, might be a typical >> example. > > The port maintainers try to create the ports so that you have minimal > amount of work to configure the ports. But you still need to review > the configuration files installed for each port to ensure they are > appropriate for you system. > >> Thus, there is a lot of configuration steps to get Cyrus >> up and running with Postfix, ClamAV, Amavis new, Spamassassin, >> PAM, SASL, mysql and all that. How do I find out how much >> configuration >> a port has done in a case like this. > > Just break the task into steps that need to be accomplished to reach > your goal: > > assuming your using mysql to contain users: > 1. configure postfix to send/receive mail for your domain > 2. configure mysql server > 3. setup pam_mysql > 4. configure cyrus-sasl to authenticate users from mysql > 5. configure cyrus-imapd > 6. configure postfix to deliver messages to cyrus-imapd, test message > delivery > 7. configure ClamAV > 8. configure Amavis > 9. configure postfix to have Amavis scan messages, test message > delivery > 10. configure Spamassassion > 11. configure postfix to scan messages for spam with Spamassassion, > test message delivery. > 12. monitor mail delivery until your satisfied that it is working > properly. > >> I did add Cyrus-imap23 and am >> wondering if it also installed Cyrus SASl. It did create the Cyrus >> user >> and mail group; I found that out when I went to create the Cyrus user >> and mail group myself. I do not see a separate port for Cyrus SASL. > > There is a separate port for Cyrus-sasl2: > > /usr/ports/security/cyrus-sasl2 > > Scot > Thanks for the info Much appreciated. I got a copy of the new Absolute FreeBSD, and will be digging into it soon. Jeff K From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 03:18:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B1E16A419 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301A113C461 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:18:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1570676nzf for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:18:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=G/0EfuxFqSjCGUhZv/rHVAu+4pSxOP+LDS8BiPRUQG0=; b=bTfo7cqDsRdACr9PhTBuuDQO81Vb/kF/q4w4meAoMZmlqn9vQhoVmXVrnsUO+iZNWRw2kdnqYrIWSfreW8Vja7ei+J3hJeMgwefu+B5Ymb5COAbNqKG1csZOKHHh78i191jt3KXt3GrB9kPDHGpPyd2p/bGQJQE62sGnSqCi7uU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Y0BNpH5zu8vESM5ycN0CnWohiIZxVhy6UeN7QtjzDDZeRSaSnUd/2IAkMtYYaI1NcvsneOCXWY3W6Zcm1JFxpiZad0GsjCa7Jr2KXFbzUNqXCILczvzJtAPnnz3LTRiA4Oiz7ZMgofDNDx6TRHr6HzZHOgn2509cvypUzmZn3zU= Received: by 10.142.79.15 with SMTP id c15mr974399wfb.1196392688254; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:18:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.44.10 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:18:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ea5cca50711291918yc3d13bdjfd0ad0957f169e77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:18:08 +0800 From: "Yi Wang" To: "Suhaib ." In-Reply-To: <20071130005006.DF04D440EA@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071130005006.DF04D440EA@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Alejandro Pulver , "Aryeh M. Friedman" Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 03:18:10 -0000 Yes, I think it does the trick. some words from mount(8): The default behavior of mount is to pass the -t option directly to the nmount(2) system call in the fstype option. However, for the following file system types: cd9660, mfs, msdosfs, nfs, nfs4, ntfs, nwfs, nullfs, portalfs, smbfs, udf, and unionfs, mount will not call nmount(2) directly and will instead attempt to execute a program in /sbin/mount_XXX where XXX is replaced by the file system type name. according to this, your patch should works fine. I didn't test it yet because I delete /usr/obj before. So I'm build world now. I'll post the result when it finish. On 11/30/07, Suhaib . wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Alejandro Pulver" > > To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" > > Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g > > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:16:14 -0300 > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:42:00 -0300 > > Alejandro Pulver wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 > > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > > > > > > > Then, I execute this command: > > > > > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > > > > > but is also says: > > > > > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > > > > > > > > > Is this a bug of mount? > > > > > I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > > > > > > > > > uname -a: > > > > > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 > > > > > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > > > > > > > > > Can't reproduce in my machine, please try with the latest version > > > (attached as shell archive). > > > > > > > Sorry, it was stripped. It's available here: > > > > ftp://ftp.alepulver.com.ar/fusefs-ntfs.shar > > > > Best Regards, > > Ale > > << signature.asc >> > > > I had the same problem on RELENG_7 and made a minor edit to mount > for ntfs-3g to work. However,I have not had the time to investigate > whether or not it is the correct solution, see the comment about > nmount() in mount.c > > To try out the change apply the attached patch file from /usr/src, > then cd to /usr/src/sbin/mount and run make. A quick test... > > # mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt > mount: /dev/da8s1 : Operation not supported by device > > # /usr/obj/usr/src/sbin/mount/mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt > > > -- > Suhaib > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > Powered by Outblaze > > -- Regards, Wang Yi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 04:13:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F05116A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C072213C45D for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:13:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1581478nzf for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:13:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nazuut11SufW2Bq6Wlwr52T5qf2u7e6di7ltnhRa+7U=; b=cqYhknyouYx3Yj+1PWY2+u22jSWfjaeR9wKvGLwsMZXvpn4N7jnRr00w6rH/4+enZzq4nkPv4OVHXkV9kfJoxC0toY+uHhVoAx1iz8Trrb1dfbHHyeOQEbkx3klfJsBmXLdO5VOlKR2zI3pg4OSxMaWTVMCCTZ0A7WN3BOrDnLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fGA9UieeMiiWgekzvCd1FmOqd2D0Syl1i4kD7W/wFDzosZUPBq1P09rQ9+cLTdMTLQdVaXCj5T3Tkt4nRUqCw5BT0v4NKWgKeldks5SFzc7Z5YZRkk++4Eir+Kz+9qz2DQnebyBBdQweHy/aqBwNFqZBHBrwY0ER/d+7rm+DlkM= Received: by 10.142.231.7 with SMTP id d7mr2331008wfh.1196396017944; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:13:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.44.10 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:13:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ea5cca50711292013x3d993927mf5d386b579df4dcd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:13:37 +0800 From: "Yi Wang" To: "Suhaib ." In-Reply-To: <5ea5cca50711291918yc3d13bdjfd0ad0957f169e77@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071130005006.DF04D440EA@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> <5ea5cca50711291918yc3d13bdjfd0ad0957f169e77@mail.gmail.com> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Alejandro Pulver , "Aryeh M. Friedman" Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:13:40 -0000 test passed! On 11/30/07, Yi Wang wrote: > Yes, I think it does the trick. > > some words from mount(8): > > The default behavior of mount is to pass the -t option directly to the > nmount(2) system call in the fstype option. > However, for the following file system types: cd9660, mfs, msdosfs, > nfs, nfs4, ntfs, nwfs, nullfs, portalfs, smbfs, udf, and unionfs, > mount will not call nmount(2) directly and will instead attempt to > execute a program in /sbin/mount_XXX where XXX is replaced by the file > system type name. > > according to this, your patch should works fine. > > I didn't test it yet because I delete /usr/obj before. So I'm build world now. > > I'll post the result when it finish. > > On 11/30/07, Suhaib . wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alejandro Pulver" > > > To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" > > > Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g > > > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:16:14 -0300 > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:42:00 -0300 > > > Alejandro Pulver wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 > > > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Then, I execute this command: > > > > > > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > > > > > > but is also says: > > > > > > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a bug of mount? > > > > > > I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > > > > > > > > > > > uname -a: > > > > > > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 > > > > > > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > > > > > > > > > > > Can't reproduce in my machine, please try with the latest version > > > > (attached as shell archive). > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, it was stripped. It's available here: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.alepulver.com.ar/fusefs-ntfs.shar > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Ale > > > << signature.asc >> > > > > > > I had the same problem on RELENG_7 and made a minor edit to mount > > for ntfs-3g to work. However,I have not had the time to investigate > > whether or not it is the correct solution, see the comment about > > nmount() in mount.c > > > > To try out the change apply the attached patch file from /usr/src, > > then cd to /usr/src/sbin/mount and run make. A quick test... > > > > # mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt > > mount: /dev/da8s1 : Operation not supported by device > > > > # /usr/obj/usr/src/sbin/mount/mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt > > > > > > -- > > Suhaib > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Wang Yi > -- Regards, Wang Yi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 04:17:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 919E716A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ota@j.email.ne.jp) Received: from mail.asahi-net.or.jp (mail1.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4816C13C465 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:17:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ota@j.email.ne.jp) Received: from localhost (i121-117-140-147.s05.a012.ap.plala.or.jp [121.117.140.147]) by mail.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC19DB4F; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:59:32 +0900 (JST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:59:32 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ota To: "Yi Wang" Message-Id: <20071129225932.fc9c8fde.ota@j.email.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <5ea5cca50711291918yc3d13bdjfd0ad0957f169e77@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071130005006.DF04D440EA@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> <5ea5cca50711291918yc3d13bdjfd0ad0957f169e77@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Multipart=_Thu__29_Nov_2007_22_59_32_-0500_4+=bG=1i8O9hu3Kd" Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Alejandro Pulver , "Aryeh M. Friedman" , "Suhaib ." Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:17:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Multipart=_Thu__29_Nov_2007_22_59_32_-0500_4+=bG=1i8O9hu3Kd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This a bit off the topic; however, I pointed out the problem of this mount_XXX behaviour quite long time ago. It currently maintains a list of NON-supported FS by nmount(2). Instead, it's better to maintain a list of SUPPORTED FS by nmount. In the current scheme, mount has to be aware of all the FSs that nmount(2) cannot support. In other words, if one attempts to add a new FS, he/she has to modify mount(8) program. That doesn't sound right, does it? I attached the patch, again, if anyone is interested in commiting this fix. Thanks, Hiro On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:18:08 +0800 "Yi Wang" wrote: > Yes, I think it does the trick. > > some words from mount(8): > > The default behavior of mount is to pass the -t option directly to the > nmount(2) system call in the fstype option. > However, for the following file system types: cd9660, mfs, msdosfs, > nfs, nfs4, ntfs, nwfs, nullfs, portalfs, smbfs, udf, and unionfs, > mount will not call nmount(2) directly and will instead attempt to > execute a program in /sbin/mount_XXX where XXX is replaced by the file > system type name. > > according to this, your patch should works fine. > > I didn't test it yet because I delete /usr/obj before. So I'm build world now. > > I'll post the result when it finish. > > On 11/30/07, Suhaib . wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Alejandro Pulver" > > > To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" > > > Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g > > > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:16:14 -0300 > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:42:00 -0300 > > > Alejandro Pulver wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 > > > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Then, I execute this command: > > > > > > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > > > > > > but is also says: > > > > > > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a bug of mount? > > > > > > I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > > > > > > > > > > > uname -a: > > > > > > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 > > > > > > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > > > > > > > > > > > Can't reproduce in my machine, please try with the latest version > > > > (attached as shell archive). > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, it was stripped. It's available here: > > > > > > ftp://ftp.alepulver.com.ar/fusefs-ntfs.shar > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Ale > > > << signature.asc >> > > > > > > I had the same problem on RELENG_7 and made a minor edit to mount > > for ntfs-3g to work. However,I have not had the time to investigate > > whether or not it is the correct solution, see the comment about > > nmount() in mount.c > > > > To try out the change apply the attached patch file from /usr/src, > > then cd to /usr/src/sbin/mount and run make. A quick test... > > > > # mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt > > mount: /dev/da8s1 : Operation not supported by device > > > > # /usr/obj/usr/src/sbin/mount/mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt > > > > > > -- > > Suhaib > > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > > > > -- > Regards, > Wang Yi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" --Multipart=_Thu__29_Nov_2007_22_59_32_-0500_4+=bG=1i8O9hu3Kd Content-Type: text/x-diff; name="current-7.0-mount.diff" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="current-7.0-mount.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Index: mount.c =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/sbin/mount/mount.c,v retrieving revision 1.92 diff -u -r1.92 mount.c --- mount.c 14 Nov 2006 01:07:42 -0000 1.92 +++ mount.c 1 Feb 2007 05:25:55 -0000 @@ -133,18 +133,19 @@ */ unsigned int i; const char *fs[] = { - "cd9660", "mfs", "msdosfs", "nfs", "nfs4", "ntfs", - "nwfs", "nullfs", "portalfs", "smbfs", "udf", "umapfs", - "unionfs", + "ufs", + "ext2fs", + "devfs", "fdescfs", "procfs", "linprocfs", "linsysfs", + "std", NULL }; for (i = 0; fs[i] != NULL; ++i) { if (strcmp(vfstype, fs[i]) == 0) - return (1); + return (0); } - return (0); + return (1); } static int --Multipart=_Thu__29_Nov_2007_22_59_32_-0500_4+=bG=1i8O9hu3Kd-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 04:27:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88B716A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 510D313C4CC for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:27:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id l8so1584005nzf for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:26:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=N71R1yci/q1myyv5nnMapZudEnmYZe/eMzZ5ugglhb8=; b=ZzIqP8hyfRbrVGsZ0LPOWJgC4hKhgDDFCRAM8pe8jhyoeZEU3dqaNufvCGHS7+vSqGRIvnkuNJTzr+5HOglRBf43mO8HF3lpCORuRi1Tp5gwCBCazplLp7Z4Lk3x/dSqKQLPITejQChdcgG5e9Ef7uZQBp4PSnFbKsQLF18Aims= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=qa/BIP2Y28nbsJS087cpHEhC5w854kEj9jJH8ss2K7j7mwrHuSUv/pJ5mHi9lLa0QiH8lMhSzVezHLcmVGNeQ1o2pgJm+IW1cQS0ZT9kJUueX8oSDLQ1GfkQZU+dUfYrvhfNOJtNpnWtYRrps003XqpSXJRxD43acB8OzEofu9c= Received: by 10.142.90.8 with SMTP id n8mr844182wfb.1196396818821; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:26:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.44.10 with HTTP; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:26:58 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ea5cca50711292026ufe02f86t709b64f653b37cae@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:26:58 +0800 From: "Yi Wang" To: "Yoshihiro Ota" In-Reply-To: <20071129225932.fc9c8fde.ota@j.email.ne.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071130005006.DF04D440EA@ws5-1.us4.outblaze.com> <5ea5cca50711291918yc3d13bdjfd0ad0957f169e77@mail.gmail.com> <20071129225932.fc9c8fde.ota@j.email.ne.jp> Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Alejandro Pulver , "Aryeh M. Friedman" , "Suhaib ." Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 04:27:00 -0000 the patch seem has a little problem. The file version does not match 7.0-beta3. But we can patch it manually. The patch works perfectly. % sudo /usr/obj/usr/src/sbin/mount/mount -t ntfssss /dev/ad6s10 /media/g mount: exec mount_ntfssss not found in /sbin:/usr/sbin: No such file or directory Hope someone commit this. Thanks for everybody! On 11/30/07, Yoshihiro Ota wrote: > This a bit off the topic; however, I pointed out the problem of this mount_XXX > behaviour quite long time ago. It currently maintains a list of NON-supported > FS by nmount(2). Instead, it's better to maintain a list of SUPPORTED FS by nmount. > > In the current scheme, mount has to be aware of all the FSs that nmount(2) cannot > support. In other words, if one attempts to add a new FS, he/she has to modify > mount(8) program. That doesn't sound right, does it? > > I attached the patch, again, if anyone is interested in commiting this fix. > > Thanks, > Hiro > > On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:18:08 +0800 > "Yi Wang" wrote: > > > Yes, I think it does the trick. > > > > some words from mount(8): > > > > The default behavior of mount is to pass the -t option directly to the > > nmount(2) system call in the fstype option. > > However, for the following file system types: cd9660, mfs, msdosfs, > > nfs, nfs4, ntfs, nwfs, nullfs, portalfs, smbfs, udf, and unionfs, > > mount will not call nmount(2) directly and will instead attempt to > > execute a program in /sbin/mount_XXX where XXX is replaced by the file > > system type name. > > > > according to this, your patch should works fine. > > > > I didn't test it yet because I delete /usr/obj before. So I'm build world now. > > > > I'll post the result when it finish. > > > > On 11/30/07, Suhaib . wrote: > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Alejandro Pulver" > > > > To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" > > > > Subject: Re: problem with mount_ntfs-3g > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 20:16:14 -0300 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:42:00 -0300 > > > > Alejandro Pulver wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:35:48 -0500 > > > > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Then, I execute this command: > > > > > > > mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/ad6s10 /media/g > > > > > > > but is also says: > > > > > > > mount: /dev/ad6s10 : Operation not supported by device > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this a bug of mount? > > > > > > > I get exactly the same thing on -current AMD64. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uname -a: > > > > > > > FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #0: Fri Nov 23 12:18:30 > > > > > > > CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MYKERNEL i386 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can't reproduce in my machine, please try with the latest version > > > > > (attached as shell archive). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, it was stripped. It's available here: > > > > > > > > ftp://ftp.alepulver.com.ar/fusefs-ntfs.shar > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Ale > > > > << signature.asc >> > > > > > > > > > I had the same problem on RELENG_7 and made a minor edit to mount > > > for ntfs-3g to work. However,I have not had the time to investigate > > > whether or not it is the correct solution, see the comment about > > > nmount() in mount.c > > > > > > To try out the change apply the attached patch file from /usr/src, > > > then cd to /usr/src/sbin/mount and run make. A quick test... > > > > > > # mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt > > > mount: /dev/da8s1 : Operation not supported by device > > > > > > # /usr/obj/usr/src/sbin/mount/mount -t ntfs-3g -o ro /dev/da8s1 /mnt > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Suhaib > > > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: > > > Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com > > > > > > Powered by Outblaze > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Wang Yi > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- Regards, Wang Yi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 06:22:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF7FF16A469 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B567413C45A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:22:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from clint@0lsen.net) Received: from OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.20]) by QMTA02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Jsqz1Y00E0S2fkC0A05100; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:23:01 +0000 Received: from 0lsen.net ([24.20.127.157]) by OMTA09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id JuP11Y0033Pt6RU0800000; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:23:01 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=eOgdoaYpZ00A:10 a=cI4Y7seMrocZXCcTRYoA:9 a=DH_vjOuE3nHofbHBfUR-Drb25IsA:4 a=LY0hPdMaydYA:10 Received: by 0lsen.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7FEEE79032; Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:56 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:22:56 -0800 From: Clint Olsen To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130062256.GA23874@belle.0lsen.net> References: <20071128013623.GA48799@belle.0lsen.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: NULlsen Network X-Disclaimer: Mutt Bites! Cc: Subject: Re: How to get portinstall to 'shut up' so I can run it in background X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:22:58 -0000 On Nov 27, Wes Morgan wrote: > Why not just run the build inside a screen session? Getting disconnected > would have no effect on it then. Thanks to Wes and Matthew for a terrific suggestion. Screen just ain't for 80's work :) -Clint -- Clint Olsen . -- . clint at NULlsen dot net .' ,-. `. ;_,' ( ; "I am Dick Lexic of Borg. Prepare to be ass-laminated." `. ``;' -- Styx Allum ` -- ' From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 08:40:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8488016A420 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihad@mail.ru) Received: from mx4.mail.ru (fallback.mail.ru [194.67.57.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C0BB13C45D for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:40:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihad@mail.ru) Received: from mx38.mail.ru (mx38.mail.ru [194.67.23.16]) by mx4.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 55C01592F0 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:05:13 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [217.25.23.15] (port=33689 helo=[217.25.23.15]) by mx38.mail.ru with esmtp id 1Ixzvz-000CRY-00 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:05:11 +0300 Message-ID: <474FB623.9040605@mail.ru> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:05:07 +0400 From: rihad User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071018) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: running port as non-root X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:40:39 -0000 Hi, I'm trying to run the net/openradius port as non-root by first changing /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius: . /etc/rc.subr name="openradius" rcvar=`set_rcvar` load_rc_config ${name} : ${openradius_enable="NO"} : ${openradius_flags="-o /var/log/openradius.log"} -command=/usr/local/sbin/radiusd +command=/usr/local/bin/sudo +flags="-u radius /usr/local/sbin/radiusd" run_rc_command "$1" (Lines marked with -/+ were removed/added by me, respectively). Then I add the radius user, allow it to run without sudo's asking for the password, and finally start the thing up: # pw useradd radius -d /nonexistent -s /usr/sbin/nologin # visudo # ... do the necessary chown/chmod on openradius logs/dictionaries ... # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius start All fine so far: everything starts up fine and runs. The problem starts here: # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius stop openradius not running? # ps -auxww | fgrep radiusd radius 89300 0.0 0.0 3756 1588 ?? Is 10:56AM 0:00.00 /usr/local/sbin/radiusd ... any built-in way to make "stop" work, without changing rc.d/ too much? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 08:47:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0906716A41B for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:47:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin.dieringer@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4182513C461 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:47:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin.dieringer@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Nov 2007 08:21:10 -0000 Received: from Fcd9b.f.ppp-pool.de (EHLO dieringer.dyndns.org) [195.4.205.155] by mail.gmx.net (mp006) with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 09:21:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #21464393 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19jLJ4izTBjTEWc6Ks3AlmBZTgj2UwiwC6AJUz87c HeD8AWmkTfkC7M Received: (qmail 12037 invoked by uid 1001); 30 Nov 2007 09:19:59 +0100 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Nov 2007 09:19:59 +0100 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:19:59 +0100 (CET) From: Martin Dieringer To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071130091444.B1160@thinkpad.dieringer.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: openssl search X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Martin Dieringer List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:47:52 -0000 is it really necessary to do this in bsd.openssl.mk: sh -c grep -l -r "^lib/libssl.so." "/var/db/pkg" | while read contents; do sslprefix=`grep "^@cwd " "${contents}" | /usr/bin/head -n 1`; if test "${sslprefix}" = "@cwd /usr/local" ; then echo "${contents}"; break; fi; done It is not possible to do a "make readmes" anymore, because for every port it needs half a minute to scan the db. m. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 09:19:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0521716A41A for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: from el-out-1112.google.com (el-out-1112.google.com [209.85.162.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2ECC13C447 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wangyi6854@gmail.com) Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id r27so1084219ele for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:19:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=ZqbFWg4Kubd5PwfC+66b7KhVUScDzRpwVJpQfdmrx8A=; b=oRUhilevOMVMOyT+s8QOqVK5HFk4O4Fw16/JQ4kzkvm9jGSvtkpZjX74FeseOMIvQBYmFxIAfXyA7CDql2soRWBLYbDhecnO7RTe1tIf/4yIU6nbyRgJoZc1O37kSF7JbQderlVfqV7hGfbvxjolntQ5VJUT3xM7isylVxJL3wQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NBdnmq/tTsWdXyKLPCeevbEQnOuVQUkJi+hdcEVf7vT8O2a9GRJv+Udc0K2t0iFBIuPna9TwwoFqFQTvBt0h9W9L06mnjxhE2xGI0a8gkPUbQnIZ3QyCnFMwEpnd4Ts3G+nCJSKn+UxulnQ2M9INDG8Bp/q+qIOPXhYdP/hUVQ8= Received: by 10.142.162.5 with SMTP id k5mr551355wfe.1196414367911; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.44.10 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 01:19:27 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5ea5cca50711300119j4a48e6c3i22b9f0aa77e37138@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:19:27 +0800 From: "Yi Wang" To: ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: rdesktop extremely slow X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:19:30 -0000 My system is 7.0 beta3. % uname -a FreeBSD wangyi.com 7.0-BETA3 FreeBSD 7.0-BETA3 #1: Thu Nov 29 10:44:52 CST 2007 root@wangyi.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/ULE i386 when I use rdesktop to connect to windows server via rdp. the system became extremely slow. this is output of top: 82 processes: 3 running, 79 sleeping CPU states: 48.4% user, 0.0% nice, 50.0% system, 1.6% interrupt, 0.0% idle Mem: 279M Active, 57M Inact, 149M Wired, 41M Cache, 108M Buf, 433M Free Swap: 512M Total, 512M Free PID USERNAME THR PRI NICE SIZE RES STATE TIME WCPU COMMAND 2127 wy 1 104 0 74472K 48280K RUN 5:13 41.55% Xorg 18509 wy 1 58 0 8620K 3556K RUN 1:30 21.97% rdesktop 2800 wy 7 44 0 205M 86736K ucond 3:57 16.36% firefox-bin 2473 wy 1 51 0 22352K 18412K select 0:45 10.69% fluxbox 18540 wy 1 45 0 42968K 6624K select 0:00 1.37% xterm 48541 wy 1 46 0 9864K 5112K select 0:18 0.00% vim 460 root 1 44 0 3268K 856K select 0:16 0.00% moused 1037 mysql 9 20 0 54388K 20452K sigwai 0:07 0.00% mysqld 48493 wy 1 44 0 43992K 7520K select 0:02 0.00% xterm 43089 wy 1 44 0 43992K 7672K select 0:01 0.00% xterm 859 root 1 44 0 4648K 1732K select 0:01 0.00% ntpd 725 bind 4 44 0 23400K 18048K select 0:01 0.00% named 1039 root 1 44 0 23600K 11088K select 0:01 0.00% httpd 2541 wy 1 44 0 47192K 6928K select 0:01 0.00% fcitx 1133 www 1 20 0 24624K 12548K lockf 0:01 0.00% httpd 782 root 1 44 0 6044K 1920K select 0:01 0.00% nmbd 18264 wy 1 45 0 9864K 5088K select 0:01 0.00% vim I don't know what should I show you? dmesg or something else. -- Regards, Wang Yi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 15:50:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 160CB16A418 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:50:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83BB13C459 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lAUFnx8T009942 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:50:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <4750312A.7080307@highperformance.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:50:02 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070922) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> In-Reply-To: <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:50:06 -0000 Johan van Selst wrote: > Although I guess this date is somewhat... ehm... ambitious. > This should probably be 7 December. > It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 will go prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 18:11:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A404216A46C for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:11:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from raven.customer.vol.cz (raven.customer.vol.cz [195.250.144.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334DC13C503 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:11:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (rb5dg130.net.upc.cz [89.176.238.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by raven.customer.vol.cz (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAUIBbG2000539 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:11:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) From: Pav Lucistnik To: "Jason C. Wells" In-Reply-To: <4750312A.7080307@highperformance.net> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> <4750312A.7080307@highperformance.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-P5k+BJsxJ5T6zhU678Pc" Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:11:37 +0100 Message-Id: <1196446297.43021.2.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Score: -3.966 () AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 195.250.144.108 X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: raven.customer.vol.cz; Sender-ip: 89.176.238.130; Sender-helo: [192.168.0.23]; ) Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:11:50 -0000 --=-P5k+BJsxJ5T6zhU678Pc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jason C. Wells p=ED=B9e v p=E1 30. 11. 2007 v 07:50 -0800: > Johan van Selst wrote: > > Although I guess this date is somewhat... ehm... ambitious. > > This should probably be 7 December. > > =20 > It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 will go=20 > prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. Sorry to burst your bubble. :) The freeze is tied to the 6.3/7.0 release schedule. I think we are looking at another week or two max, at this moment. --=20 Pav Lucistnik God is real unless declared integer. --=-P5k+BJsxJ5T6zhU678Pc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?UTF-8?Q?digit=C3=A1ln=C4=9B?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?UTF-8?Q?_=C4=8D=C3=A1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHUFJWntdYP8FOsoIRAhvwAJ9eoeu5tOSQ8H8Q8sCReo57xkCk9QCfSDIi yy9S7knC/yHNi68OfpzwhMk= =o2lo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-P5k+BJsxJ5T6zhU678Pc-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 18:12:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D402116A46E for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from galain.elvandar.org (galain.elvandar.org [217.148.169.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0CF413C474 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from evilcoder.xs4all.nl ([195.64.94.120] helo=elvandar.local) by galain.elvandar.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IyALb-000Jwy-Pc; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:12:19 +0100 Message-ID: <475052A3.4060708@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:12:51 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rihad References: <474FB623.9040605@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <474FB623.9040605@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running port as non-root X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:12:20 -0000 rihad wrote: > Hi, I'm trying to run the net/openradius port as non-root > by first changing /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius: > > . /etc/rc.subr > > name="openradius" > rcvar=`set_rcvar` > > load_rc_config ${name} > > : ${openradius_enable="NO"} > : ${openradius_flags="-o /var/log/openradius.log"} > > -command=/usr/local/sbin/radiusd > +command=/usr/local/bin/sudo > +flags="-u radius /usr/local/sbin/radiusd" > > run_rc_command "$1" > > (Lines marked with -/+ were removed/added by me, respectively). > > Then I add the radius user, allow it to run without sudo's asking for > the password, and finally start the thing up: > # pw useradd radius -d /nonexistent -s /usr/sbin/nologin > # visudo > # ... do the necessary chown/chmod on openradius logs/dictionaries ... > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius start > > All fine so far: everything starts up fine and runs. The problem starts > here: > # /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius stop > openradius not running? > # ps -auxww | fgrep radiusd > radius 89300 0.0 0.0 3756 1588 ?? Is 10:56AM 0:00.00 > /usr/local/sbin/radiusd > ... > > any built-in way to make "stop" work, without changing rc.d/ too much? > > Thanks. probably the user does not have rights to write /var/run/radiusd.pid or whatever pid file it uses, I think the ``stop`` command cats that file and seeks for the PID in the processtree and kills it { sort off }. hope this helps! -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 21:04:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84FC516A417 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9DE13C465 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id CE2248C0C4; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:04:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:04:14 -0600 To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <20071130210414.GA23425@soaustin.net> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> <4750312A.7080307@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4750312A.7080307@highperformance.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:04:15 -0000 On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:50:02AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 will go > prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. Occam's Razor would suggest that portmgr is simply trying to get the combination of src + ports finalized enough to get a set of release package builds out the door. The Razor, and past experience, would suggest that sweeping changes would delay all that significantly. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 22:37:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD7516A46B; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pirzyk@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8014713C51A; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:37:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pirzyk@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (pirzyk@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAUMb8pg060647; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:37:08 GMT (envelope-from pirzyk@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from pirzyk@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id lAUMb8DZ060643; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:37:08 GMT (envelope-from pirzyk) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:37:08 GMT Message-Id: <200711302237.lAUMb8DZ060643@freefall.freebsd.org> To: pirzyk@FreeBSD.org, pirzyk@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org From: pirzyk@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/118362: Update port: sysutils/p5-Sys-Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:37:08 -0000 Synopsis: Update port: sysutils/p5-Sys-Filesystem Responsible-Changed-From-To: pirzyk->freebsd-ports Responsible-Changed-By: pirzyk Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Nov 30 22:32:56 UTC 2007 Responsible-Changed-Why: Sent back with approval for the patch to be applied. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=118362 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 30 22:53:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520FE16A41A; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:53:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CDC513C4D3; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:53:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (linimon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lAUMrdxu088876; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:53:39 GMT (envelope-from linimon@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from linimon@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id lAUMrdd0088872; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:53:39 GMT (envelope-from linimon) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:53:39 GMT Message-Id: <200711302253.lAUMrdd0088872@freefall.freebsd.org> To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports-bugs@FreeBSD.org From: linimon@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/118362: Update port: sysutils/p5-Sys-Filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:53:39 -0000 Synopsis: Update port: sysutils/p5-Sys-Filesystem Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-ports->freebsd-ports-bugs Responsible-Changed-By: linimon Responsible-Changed-When: Fri Nov 30 22:53:24 UTC 2007 Responsible-Changed-Why: Canonicalize assignment. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=118362 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 00:04:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2853116A419 for ; 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b=mznHOqsF4pe6U9iaOVTScH1vuEYYS9u+O8ndlxa+CggoFBeIKuFrNGz190sXMg+f1IlYDKIE1Mkve64RReypGakR5pMdFn9MG1MYhBc9VEwa9Ihb4DBytvIEuUSnFPUt5EqeRCGPrkLpUPibN2sWuMGLkJN6I1Af8IBpRanl0Jw= Received: by 10.67.88.10 with SMTP id q10mr125968ugl.1196465897003; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:38:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from pi ( [212.242.117.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n34sm1180274ugc.2007.11.30.15.38.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:38:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003801c833aa$153bb2f0$6300000a@pi> From: "GP" To: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:38:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: HELP needed by experienced porter for simple review X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:04:30 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "GP" To: Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:37 AM Subject: HELP needed by experienced porter for simple review > I'm new to porting for FreeBSD and make files aren't my strongest suit. So > I would be greatful if I could get an experienced porter to review my make > files, for at very simple deamon. > > I've read the porter handbook and the port seems to be working fine. But > I'm uncertain as to what is best practise and since this will hopefully be > the first of many ports, I would like to get i right. > > If you want to help, please drop me a note and I will send you the two > small makefiles to review. > > /SR > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 01:20:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455F316A498 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1EFE13C455 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 01:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1IyH1N-0005xB-DG for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:19:53 +0000 Received: from d90-129-7-133.cust.tele2.lu ([90.129.7.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:19:53 +0000 Received: from jo-ml by d90-129-7-133.cust.tele2.lu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:19:53 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Jona Joachim Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:58:22 +0100 Lines: 37 Message-ID: References: <003801c833aa$153bb2f0$6300000a@pi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: d90-129-7-133.cust.tele2.lu User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2 (This is not a psychotic episode. It's a cleansing moment of clarity.) Sender: news Subject: Re: HELP needed by experienced porter for simple review X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:20:11 -0000 On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 00:38:16 +0100, GP wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GP" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:37 AM > Subject: HELP needed by experienced porter for simple review > > >> I'm new to porting for FreeBSD and make files aren't my strongest suit. So >> I would be greatful if I could get an experienced porter to review my make >> files, for at very simple deamon. >> >> I've read the porter handbook and the port seems to be working fine. But >> I'm uncertain as to what is best practise and since this will hopefully be >> the first of many ports, I would like to get i right. >> >> If you want to help, please drop me a note and I will send you the two >> small makefiles to review. Hi and welcome! First of all you should install ports-mgmt/portlint and run it against your port (if you haven't done it already). Be sure to use the switch to enable additional checks (I got bitten once because I forgot it). Then you could perhaps put your work online somewhere and provide a link, so everybody can take a look at it and test. Best regards, Jona -- "I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion" From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 03:50:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1102A16A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 03:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A30AE13C45A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 03:50:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.195]) by fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAULgXYx026621 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:42:33 +1100 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-20-82.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.20.82]) by mail14.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lAULgURo002615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:42:31 +1100 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lAULgT2S042652; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:42:29 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lAULgSZe042651; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:42:28 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:42:28 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: "Jason C. Wells" Message-ID: <20071130214228.GM50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> <4750312A.7080307@highperformance.net> <20071130210414.GA23425@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Cqq5NadOW2RfLMJ/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071130210414.GA23425@soaustin.net> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 03:50:51 -0000 --Cqq5NadOW2RfLMJ/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 03:04:14PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: >On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:50:02AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >> It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 will go=20 >> prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. =2E.. >package builds out the door. The Razor, and past experience, would >suggest that sweeping changes would delay all that significantly. As a corollary, KDE4 will not hit the ports tree until after 7.0 and 6.3 are released. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --Cqq5NadOW2RfLMJ/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHUIPE/opHv/APuIcRAl4ZAKCXN1rT/6EbMRI7HowASOu7Fr0JDQCeLqLg lvdSwkfCVImn0Ptalg1hpBc= =bE3l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Cqq5NadOW2RfLMJ/-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 05:46:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85EE16A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 05:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADB613C469 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 05:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so768259mue for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:46:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=7tQpgzM9IcHrhwDMbU9j3eDS8mG9A6vXDFDTPZYmBK0=; b=QHQE45KDxLtmgqgArI+NYUy1yceqxknGeTZubB+YX2nhzqPHYPsp0JASkTCISg+fLnFxkT8S012xW6k3vm8Rew5FoTY50f9CnQDX6NjQKIpsmqJNjRifDVqRq/AixPV2P+90YZ+Kvitb+rzgG4KqUst9wXtoOQanoLVmhq0/F6A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=V4KgSuy9Zr8Si2Lr8zPE2lkdV1MFoWoLwpYwCwHDSjV/cN9M2nXV7H4kUS9QMMAu87U7TB9yXXNnyaxW1a2a4QSN5ULfhpR0jJgwvlvbAg1iacvux5SIvhql/GXaH0e4hUcEaiK3n3xmBiXsJnOHr3ImPxFgaXo44ZicgFwSEis= Received: by 10.86.77.5 with SMTP id z5mr3161586fga.1196487980989; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:46:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.3.20 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:46:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <790a9fff0711302146o17371858s798878a958bfd823@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:46:20 -0600 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: rihad In-Reply-To: <474FB623.9040605@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <474FB623.9040605@mail.ru> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: running port as non-root X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:46:24 -0000 On 11/30/07, rihad wrote: > Hi, I'm trying to run the net/openradius port as non-root > by first changing /usr/local/etc/rc.d/openradius: > You don't need to modify the startup script to get it to run ${command} as an alternate user. All you need to do is place the following in your /etc/rc.conf file: openradius_user="radius" This will then cause the rc.d script to use su to run ${command} as the radius user. Scot From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 05:47:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1360716A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 05:47:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from mx1.highperformance.net (dsl081-163-122.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.163.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D679D13C45B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 05:47:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Received: from w16.stradamotorsports.com (w16.stradamotorsports.com [192.168.1.16]) by mx1.highperformance.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lB15l4g0013309 for ; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:47:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from jcw@highperformance.net) Message-ID: <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 21:47:07 -0800 From: "Jason C. Wells" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070922) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <474BCC28.7090305@gmail.com> <20071127103340.GA57584@mud.stack.nl> <4750312A.7080307@highperformance.net> <20071130210414.GA23425@soaustin.net> <20071130214228.GM50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20071130214228.GM50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=2.5 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=failed version=3.1.6 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.6 (2006-10-03) on s4.stradamotorsports.com Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 05:47:07 -0000 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 03:04:14PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:50:02AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >> >>> It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 will go >>> prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. >>> >> package builds out the door. The Razor, and past experience, would >> suggest that sweeping changes would delay all that significantly. >> > As a corollary, KDE4 will not hit the ports tree until after 7.0 and 6.3 > are released. > We lucked out last time and got current updates of both gnome and kde. Let me fix my original post. "It would be a pleasant surprise if portmgr were able to take KDE 4.0 to prime time real soon." Later, Jason From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 06:04:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F6416A4D4 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toddmartin@techie.com) Received: from mail9.dslextreme.com (mail9.dslextreme.com [66.51.199.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BB94913C45B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:04:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from toddmartin@techie.com) Received: (qmail 19561 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 06:04:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wicked.iname.com) (tmartin@66.134.99.71) by mail9.dslextreme.com with SMTP; Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:04:17 -0800 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 22:04:12 -0800 To: timur@FreeBSD.org From: Todd Martin Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20071201060417.BB94913C45B@mx1.freebsd.org> X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:02:11 +0000 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: samba-3.0.26a_2,1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 06:04:18 -0000 my previous message read" "to test further on the smb/cifs protocol issue... this morning,I installed the latest source of samba 3.0.27a and tested connection with mount_smb. the problem persisted. So I need to know what version of the port still worked with this client. Hopefully you know. This is very frustrating. all my windows clients work fine because the support cifs, but my bsd client fails to operate." I was incorrect. 3.0.27a DOES in fact have smb protocol fully operational... i messed up my previous tests & was still running the broken binaries. I am fixed for now running 3.0.27a. when might this revision be part of the ports tree ? S. Todd Martin From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 08:53:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8375416A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BFD813C447 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:53:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6225D1CC07C; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:53:46 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 00:53:46 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Todd Martin Message-ID: <20071201085346.GA76411@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20071201060417.BB94913C45B@mx1.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071201060417.BB94913C45B@mx1.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, timur@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: samba-3.0.26a_2,1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:53:46 -0000 On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 10:04:12PM -0800, Todd Martin wrote: > I am fixed for now running 3.0.27a. when might this revision be part of > the ports tree ? Probably sometime after the ports freeze is over (another 1-2 weeks)... -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 10:51:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA3CD16A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C9313C45B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:51:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 318A81CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 03:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 03:08:43 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071130214228.GM50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> In-Reply-To: <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:51:57 -0000 On Friday 30 November 2007 21:47:07 Jason C. Wells wrote: > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 03:04:14PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:50:02AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > >>> It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 will go > >>> prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. > >> > >> package builds out the door. The Razor, and past experience, would > >> suggest that sweeping changes would delay all that significantly. > > > > As a corollary, KDE4 will not hit the ports tree until after 7.0 and 6.3 > > are released. > > We lucked out last time and got current updates of both gnome and kde. > Let me fix my original post. > > "It would be a pleasant surprise if portmgr were able to take KDE 4.0 to > prime time real soon." > > Later, > Jason > _______________________________________________ I must say I am having difficulty understanding the policies applicable during ports freeze. What criteria are used to determine whether an update is allowed or barred during the freeze? The freeze seems to be of longer duration than originally expected while the current inconvenience seems to growing exponentially. I appreciate the long term benefits so please do not think I am in any way critical of those who are working on this. I would hgowever like to ask, on the basis of what is being learned now, how could the length freezes be diminished on future occasions? David Southwell From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 11:19:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1945F16A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:19:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from raven.customer.vol.cz (raven.customer.vol.cz [195.250.144.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A246913C46E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (rb5dg130.net.upc.cz [89.176.238.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by raven.customer.vol.cz (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1BJIj8042162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:19:20 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) From: Pav Lucistnik To: David Southwell In-Reply-To: <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071130214228.GM50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-KRduiRCi1mZREK47Vxug" Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:19:18 +0100 Message-Id: <1196507958.43021.27.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Score: -3.951 () AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 195.250.144.108 X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: raven.customer.vol.cz; Sender-ip: 89.176.238.130; Sender-helo: [192.168.0.23]; ) Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:19:30 -0000 --=-KRduiRCi1mZREK47Vxug Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David Southwell p=ED=B9e v so 01. 12. 2007 v 03:08 -0800: > What criteria are used to determine whether an update is allowed or barre= d=20 > during the freeze?=20 1) Security update 2) Build fix on one of the release platforms 3) Major runtime fix --=20 Pav Lucistnik You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you. --=-KRduiRCi1mZREK47Vxug Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?UTF-8?Q?digit=C3=A1ln=C4=9B?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?UTF-8?Q?_=C4=8D=C3=A1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHUUM2ntdYP8FOsoIRAmwMAJ9f0AOGrsSzK/7/esnQ9Z0nCmwOQgCeN/od D1BB+kPVc8WV3hQmuLJ1mVA= =4wuD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-KRduiRCi1mZREK47Vxug-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 12:58:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B6CB16A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:58:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4C3513C4F0 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 84ADD1CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 05:14:55 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 05:14:55 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010514.55274.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:58:08 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 Pav Lucistnik answered part = of=20 the question: > On Friday 30 November 2007 21:47:07 Jason C. Wells wrote: > > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 03:04:14PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > > >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:50:02AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > >>> It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 will = go > > >>> prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. >> > >> >> > >> package builds out the door. The Razor, and past experience, would >> > >> suggest that sweeping changes would delay all that significantly. >> > > >> > > As a corollary, KDE4 will not hit the ports tree until after 7.0 and >> > > 6.3 are released. =2E> > >> > We lucked out last time and got current updates of both gnome and kde. >> > >> > "It would be a pleasant surprise if portmgr were able to take KDE 4.0 = to >> > prime time real soon." >> > >> > Later, >>>Jason >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> I must say I am having difficulty understanding the policies applicable >> during ports freeze. >> > What criteria are used to determine whether an update is allowed or barred > during the freeze? Pav Lucistnik answered part of the question with this=20 interjection: >David Southwell p=C3=AD=C5=A1e v so 01. 12. 2007 v 03:08 -0800: >> What criteria are used to determine whether an update is allowed or barr= ed=20 >> during the freeze?=20 >1) Security update >2) Build fix on one of the release platforms >3) Major runtime fix > This seems sensible unless: a) The freeze is unduly long (I would suggest more than two weeks) AND b) There is a major upgrade of a port which is used by a large proportion o= f=20 users. In which case I believe such major upgrades should be favourably considered= =2E=20 Such a policy would reflect the fact that there are many users who need to= =20 keep their systems up to date (especially when they workin communities wher= e=20 multiple operating systems are in use). Allowing port freezes to extend for= =20 long periods should not IMHO be allowed to conflict with the need to keep=20 major ports updated. This puts added weight to my second question to which I am hoping for some= =20 response: >> The freeze seems to be of longer duration than originally expected while >> the current inconvenience seems to growing exponentially. I appreciate t= he >> long term benefits so please do not think I am in any way critical of th= ose >> who are working on this. >> >> I would hgowever like to ask, on the basis of what is being learned now, >> how could the length freezes be diminished on future occasions? >> Thanks David From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 12:59:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F40516A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:59:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from godpost@gmail.com) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 815E813C4D9 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:59:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from godpost@gmail.com) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so2561642uge for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:59:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=r0OeQ2tbmVxGh5qcLAaaQCAcmdI0yf0TQnYUXzVLJRI=; b=UPkbd3OyQyAh/JU48rY3ySUdjt7EnoHg8i0WbOsSW762O9tETWIPAWcWLHljUfIi+2WAoR0uhoNmAW1nM9molwFZOYSL9deF+yHCxuwik+bTbSx/Zo6L3S/EVIZ9Bl3OY1spQyG+PGyjjPIKIYTsVFMkmRIMhbbXzomT6k74rtg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=gdRS8wLHNEk/BUX/bBFDQAi8KeY7oSN8BAzW+lhCfopxv6VJEer2NtxzldNERYX0U3jJcxdKecZ5/nX5yKiU5vMPfVZgYOka8kNivoJa6eLp5GU/PHr9jSe2RdvfUe1FX9NmlX/+jlOCs2mpumWgTeJUsan0IxouyMUfiFqfPK8= Received: by 10.67.115.2 with SMTP id s2mr1294701ugm.1196513982327; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from pi ( [212.242.117.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 25sm3610378ugn.2007.12.01.04.59.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:59:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003f01c8341a$0a252660$6300000a@pi> From: "GP" To: References: <003801c833aa$153bb2f0$6300000a@pi> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:59:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: HELP needed by experienced porter for simple review X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:59:47 -0000 >>> I'm new to porting for FreeBSD and make files aren't my strongest suit. >>> So >>> I would be greatful if I could get an experienced porter to review my >>> make >>> files, for at very simple deamon. >>> >>> I've read the porter handbook and the port seems to be working fine. But >>> I'm uncertain as to what is best practise and since this will hopefully >>> be >>> the first of many ports, I would like to get i right. >>> >>> If you want to help, please drop me a note and I will send you the two >>> small makefiles to review. > > Hi and welcome! > First of all you should install ports-mgmt/portlint and run it against > your port (if you haven't done it already). Be sure to use the switch to > enable additional checks (I got bitten once because I forgot it). > Then you could perhaps put your work online somewhere and provide a link, > so everybody can take a look at it and test. > > Best regards, > Jona > Ok. thanks. Its simple so I will just put in in this mail. I hope to have the ability to make changes in the source, so I've included the proposed application Makefile as well. Its all working, but I would like to know if the concepts are sound? Portlint throws a warning, but I don't se any reasonable way arrount that: /usr/ports/distfiles>portlint WARN: Makefile: possible use of absolute pathname "/etc/rc.conf.bak". 0 fatal errors and 1 warning found. Root Makefile: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # New ports collection makefile for: kissdx # Date created: 20. November 2007 # Whom: Simon I. Rigét # # $FreeBSD$ PORTNAME= kissdx PORTVERSION= 0.13.10a CATEGORIES= multimedia net MASTER_SITES= http://freebsd.paragi.dk/kissdx/ \ http://kissdx.vidartysse.net/ DISTNAME= ${PORTNAME}-${PORTVERSION} MAINTAINER= freebsd@paragi.dk COMMENT= A multimedia streaming server for KiSS/Linksys player USE_ICONV= yes # Dependencies of other packeges LIB_DEPENDS= libdvdread:${PORTSDIR}/multimedia/libdvdread \ libiconv:${PORTSDIR}/converters/libiconv \ gd-2:${PORTSDIR}/graphics/gd jpeg-6b_4:${PORTSDIR}/graphics/jpeg # Man pages MAN1= kissdx.1 MANCOMPRESSED= yes # RC start and stop service USE_RC_SUBR= kissdx # set enviroment variables for port makefile MAKE_ENV= FreeBSD=defined # Convert CR/LF to LF in source files USE_DOS2UNIX= yes post-patch: ${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|Linux|Unix|g' ${WRKSRC}/kissdx.1 ${REINPLACE_CMD} -e 's|/etc/|/usr/local/etc/|' ${WRKSRC}/kissdx.1 $(GZIP_CMD) -c ${INSTALL_WRKSRC}/kissdx.1 >${INSTALL_WRKSRC}/kissdx.1.gz $(MKDIR) $(FILESDIR) $(CP) ${WRKSRC}/kissdx.in ${FILESDIR} do-install: all $(INSTALL_PROGRAM) ${INSTALL_WRKSRC}/kissdx ${TARGETDIR}/sbin/kissdx $(INSTALL_DATA) ${INSTALL_WRKSRC}/kissdx.conf ${TARGETDIR}/etc/kissdx.conf $(INSTALL_MAN) ${INSTALL_WRKSRC}/kissdx.1.gz ${TARGETDIR}/man/man1/kissdx.1.gz echo "kissdx_enabled=\"YES\"" >> /etc/rc.conf do-deinstall: $(RM) ${TARGETDIR}/sbin/kissdx $(RM) ${TARGETDIR}/etc/kissdx.conf $(RM) ${TARGETDIR}/man/man1/kissdx.* $(RM) ${TARGETDIR}/etc/rc.d/kissdx $(CP) ${/etc/rc.conf} ${/etc/rc.conf}.bak ${GREP} -v kissdx_ /etc/rc.conf.bak >/etc/rc.conf .include pkg-plist: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ sbin/kissdx etc/kissdx.conf etc/rc.d/kissdx Application Makefile: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ################################################################################ # KiSS DX multi OS Makefile # By SR. 2007-11-30 ################################################################################ ################################################################################ # Operating system # Uncomment for onr of the desired OS (Execpt FreeBSD which will be defined by # the master makefile) ################################################################################ #env= Environment(**ARGUMENTS) #NSLU2= defined #CYGWIN= defined Linux= defined ################################################################################ # Generic settings # # In some UNIX systems build options that affect all ports can be set globally. # this makefile should not override the existing value. ################################################################################ CC?= gcc # compiler directives (defines) # Sendfile # -DUSE_INTERNAL_SENDFILE (less performance) if you cannot use the sendfile syscall on your target platform with 64-bit file access. Needed for Unslung 5.5 on NSLU2. # -DUSE_INTERNAL_SENDFILE_MMAP (better performance) with -DUSE_INTERNAL_SENDFILE if your target platform supports memory mapped files with 64-bit file access and you want to use it. Not possible with >2GB files on Unslung 5.5 on NSLU2. CFLAGS+= -DUSE_INTERNAL_SENDFILE # Support for lage file sizes >2Gb CFLAGS+= -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 CFLAGS+= -D_GNU_SOURCE # Compile options CFLAGS+= -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes # Liberaries LIBS+= -ldvdread # remove -liconv below if your system has libiconv built in LIBS+= -liconv LIBS+= -ljpeg LIBS+= -lm # Link options LDFLAGS+= -O2 -s -L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib ################################################################################ # Operating system dependend settings ################################################################################ .if defined(FreeBSD) # FreeBSD definitions CFLAGS+= -DFreeBSD CFLAGS+= -I. -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/include CFLAGS+=-D_CONF_DIR=${TARGETDIR}/etc/ .undef(Linux) .undef(NSLU2) .undef(CYGWIN) .else #Linux definition CFLAGS+= -DLinux # Install settings. create-install-target=defined INSTALL_PROGRAM?= install -b -S .old -o root -g root -m 755 INSTALL_SCRIPT?= install -b -S .old -o root -g root -m 755 INSTALL_DATA?= install -b -S .old -o root -g root -m 644 INSTALL_MAN?= install -o root -g root -m 644 INSTALL_WRKSRC= . TARGETDIR= $(DISTDIR)/usr MANTARGETDIR= /usr/share/man .endif .if defined(NSLU2) # -DUSE_INTERNAL_SENDFILE (less performance) if you cannot use the sendfile syscall on your target platform with 64-bit file access. Needed for Unslung 5.5 on NSLU2. # -DUSE_INTERNAL_SENDFILE_MMAP (better performance) with -DUSE_INTERNAL_SENDFILE if your target platform supports memory mapped files with 64-bit file access and you want to use it. Not possible with >2GB files on Unslung 5.5 on NSLU2. CC= arm-linux-gcc CFLAGS+= -mcpu=xscale -mbig-endian CFLAGS+= -I/opt/include LIBS+= -L/opt/lib .undef(create-install-target) .endif ################################################################################ # Make a list of object files as targets for compilation ################################################################################ OBJS= kissdx.o connection.o sendfile.o dvdread.o playlist.o jpeg.o piccache.o OBJS+= utils.o config.o backtoback.o OBJS+= gdstuff/gdstuff.o gdstuff/gd.o gdstuff/gdfontg.o gdstuff/gd_jpeg.o OBJS+= gdstuff/gdhelpers.o gdstuff/gd_io_dp.o gdstuff/gd_io.o OBJS+= gdstuff/gd_security.o ################################################################################ # Compile and link rules # # Build in macros: #$@ The file name of the target. #$< The name of the first dependency. #$* The part of a filename which matched a suffix rule. #$? The names of all the dependencies newer than the target separated by spaces. #$^ The names of all the dependencies separated by spaces, but with duplicate # names removed. #$+ The names of all the dependencies separated by spaces with duplicate names # included and in the same order as in the rule. ################################################################################ .c.o: $(CC) -c $(CPPFLAGS) $(CFLAGS) -o $@ $< .o : $(CC) -o $@ $(LIBS) $(LDFLAGS) $(OBJS) # Do all the compiling and linking all: $(OBJS) kissdx ################################################################################ # Linux install rules ################################################################################ .if !defined(FreeBSD) .if defined(create-install-target) #Install files on the system install: $(INSTALL_PROGRAM) ${INSTALL_WRKSRC}/kissdx $(TARGETDIR)/sbin/kissdx $(INSTALL_DATA) ${INSTALL_WRKSRC}/kissdx.conf $(TARGETDIR)/etc/kissdx.conf $(INSTALL_MAN) ${INSTALL_WRKSRC}/kissdx.1 $(MANTARGETDIR)/man1/kissdx.1 #Remove all installed files uninstall: rm $(TARGETDIR)/sbin/kissdx rm $(TARGETDIR)/etc/kissdx.conf rm $(MANTARGETDIR)/man1/kissdx.1 echo "All files successfully removed" .endif # This clean only removes compiled files. clean: rm -rf kissdx.exe kissdx $(OBJS) *.bak *~ echo "Clean as a whistle" .endif From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 13:22:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B4916A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B39113C458 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:22:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 39C828C09A; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:22:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:22:51 -0600 To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20071201132251.GA20300@soaustin.net> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071130214228.GM50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:22:51 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:08:43AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > I must say I am having difficulty understanding the policies applicable > during ports freeze. I had hoped that http://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/qa.html and http://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/implementation.html would have been clear enough on what the policies are -- that was the motivation for writing these documents. > The freeze seems to be of longer duration than originally expected As are most of them. Welcome to the world of software engineering schedules :-) > I would however like to ask, on the basis of what is being learned now, > how could the length freezes be diminished on future occasions? After the 5.3 release, there was a lot of discussion between the ports management and release engineering teams on how to do exactly that. To some extent we're dependent on the state of the source tree; changes that affect the ABI cause us to have to go back and re-do package sets. The release engineers are now much more aware of this impact that they were in the past. However, .0 releases are particularly difficult on this front, since we have to live with any ABI mistakes for several years. Thus, it's worth a delay to avoid having to support a bad or questionable implemenation. Unfortunately, these are often not caught until the prelease starts to get widespread testing outside of the developer community. Another cause is that we're trying to get as many packages buildable and useful for release as we can. This is particularly important for the non-i386 architectures, which do not have as large a user base. Note: this time we waited to start the freeze until nearly the RC1 date -- in the past, we had done it earlier in the beta cycles. There's nothing to be done when RC1 slips, however; we want to have as good a package set entering RC1 as we can get. In the meantime, the number of working packages is probably close to an all-time high numerically (I don't have enough sense of historically to say percentage-wise, although I suspect it's a recent maximum). Folks can help out by trying to install systems just from the packages and letting us know what problems they find. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 13:30:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3917C16A420 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:30:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp110.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp110.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.102.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DC7313C459 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:30:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 3147 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 13:04:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=0X5zOlyFpvFQllE1k+YrAfiY7LdavG/NGLaT1xgzLXNiJjsHmHBQnz3vTERti8pGgPClph968O1Dp6PYWKEOoaWB+W3K2dvzvnbkfq6+0QifqtdGWHVcE4Peg6ttDrdYReLu/9OWbXFAd1IIckN7C+RpAYIaNvsx4H1lioCN+gQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ssfbsd.securestate.org) (eol1@70.227.5.28 with plain) by smtp110.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 13:04:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kC.d9X8VM1mzhC2Fx_4RL9V4af0iyFs8FHVqvG.OL3R9ki8BwfCatN3cAGWyHAorVPRI9GPS7g-- Message-ID: <47515BAD.1070105@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:03:41 -0500 From: Peter Thoenen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> <200712010514.55274.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200712010514.55274.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:30:53 -0000 David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 Pav Lucistnik answered p= art of=20 > the question: >> On Friday 30 November 2007 21:47:07 Jason C. Wells wrote: >>> Peter Jeremy wrote: >>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 03:04:14PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: >>>>> On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:50:02AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: >>>>>> It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 will= go >>>>>> prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. >>>>>> >>>>>> package builds out the door. The Razor, and past experience, woul= d >>>>>> suggest that sweeping changes would delay all that significantly. >>>>> As a corollary, KDE4 will not hit the ports tree until after 7.0 an= d >>>>> 6.3 are released. > .> > >>>> We lucked out last time and got current updates of both gnome and kd= e. >>>> >>>> "It would be a pleasant surprise if portmgr were able to take KDE 4.= 0 to >>>> prime time real soon." >>>> >>>> Later, >>>> Jason >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> I must say I am having difficulty understanding the policies applicab= le >>> during ports freeze. >>> >> What criteria are used to determine whether an update is allowed or ba= rred >> during the freeze? >=20 > Pav Lucistnik answered part of the question with this= =20 > interjection: >=20 >> David Southwell p=C3=AD=C5=A1e v so 01. 12. 2007 v 03:08 -0800: >=20 >>> What criteria are used to determine whether an update is allowed or b= arred=20 >>> during the freeze?=20 >=20 >> 1) Security update >> 2) Build fix on one of the release platforms >> 3) Major runtime fix >> >=20 > This seems sensible unless: > a) The freeze is unduly long (I would suggest more than two weeks) > AND Actually IIRC when 5.0 and 6.0 first came out they had *unduly* long port freezes also, more so than the normal X.1, X.2, X.n release cycles. I think the issue is the large number of ports than simply break on a major release (gcc4.x is causing problems w/ 7.0 I believe) and then trying to create 7.0 specific patches or ween them from the release iso. As such, this takes time. >> I would hgowever like to ask, on the basis of what is being learned >> now,how could the length freezes be diminished on future occasions? When the port freeze first hits I believe they always release a URL to all the packages currently having build problems on the forthcoming release. If you want to cut down on the time of the freeze, try arbitrarily fixing some of them so the port managers don't have to. Not all ports have diligent maintainers and not all ports even have maintainers period. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 13:42:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C56AA16A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:42:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6040513C458 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:53226 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IySLH-00088p-8V for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:25:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 15748 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 14:25:08 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 1 Dec 2007 14:25:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 33079 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Dec 2007 14:25:08 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:25:08 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> <200712010514.55274.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <200712010514.55274.david@vizion2000.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IySLH-00088p-8V. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1IySLH-00088p-8V 5538cb443ca8983f29a21cf4bb2f34d1 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:42:31 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 05:14:55AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 Pav Lucistnik answered par= t of=20 > the question: > > On Friday 30 November 2007 21:47:07 Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 03:04:14PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 07:50:02AM -0800, Jason C. Wells wrote: > > > >>> It wouldn't surprise me if portmanager is hoping that KDE 4.0 wil= l go > > > >>> prime time real soon. That's my big conspiracy theory. > >> > >> > >> > >> package builds out the door. The Razor, and past experience, wou= ld > >> > >> suggest that sweeping changes would delay all that significantly. > >> > > > >> > > As a corollary, KDE4 will not hit the ports tree until after 7.0 a= nd > >> > > 6.3 are released. > .> > > >> > We lucked out last time and got current updates of both gnome and kd= e. > >> > > >> > "It would be a pleasant surprise if portmgr were able to take KDE 4.= 0 to > >> > prime time real soon." > >> > > >> > Later, > >>>Jason > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > >> I must say I am having difficulty understanding the policies applicable > >> during ports freeze. > >> > > What criteria are used to determine whether an update is allowed or bar= red > > during the freeze? >=20 > Pav Lucistnik answered part of the question with this= =20 > interjection: >=20 > >David Southwell p=ED??e v so 01. 12. 2007 v 03:08 -0800: >=20 > >> What criteria are used to determine whether an update is allowed or ba= rred=20 > >> during the freeze?=20 >=20 > >1) Security update > >2) Build fix on one of the release platforms > >3) Major runtime fix > > >=20 > This seems sensible unless: > a) The freeze is unduly long (I would suggest more than two weeks) > AND > b) There is a major upgrade of a port which is used by a large proportion= of=20 > users. AND c) The upgrade is very unlikely to break things. An upgrade to KDE or Gnome or X.org or similarily gargantuan ports (or many smaller ports too for that matter) fail point c). >=20 > In which case I believe such major upgrades should be favourably consider= ed.=20 > Such a policy would reflect the fact that there are many users who need t= o=20 > keep their systems up to date (especially when they workin communities wh= ere=20 > multiple operating systems are in use). Allowing port freezes to extend f= or=20 > long periods should not IMHO be allowed to conflict with the need to keep= =20 > major ports updated. The ports freeze is intended to make sure the ports tree is in a stable and well tested state for the release. Updating major ports always carry a great risk of breaking things thus defeating the point of the freeze. >=20 > This puts added weight to my second question to which I am hoping for so= me=20 > response: > >> The freeze seems to be of longer duration than originally expected whi= le > >> the current inconvenience seems to growing exponentially. I appreciate= the > >> long term benefits so please do not think I am in any way critical of = those > >> who are working on this. > >> > >> I would hgowever like to ask, on the basis of what is being learned no= w, > >> how could the length freezes be diminished on future occasions? > >> --=20 Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 13:58:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F25A16A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from ella.lautre.net (ella.lautre.net [80.67.160.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 351F413C461 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from graf.pompo.net (graf.pompo.net [81.56.186.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.lautre.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663BF4C1D8 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:58:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by graf.pompo.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7622211430; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:58:21 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:58:21 +0100 From: Thierry Thomas To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <4750F55B.9030604@highperformance.net> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> <200712010514.55274.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> X-Face: (hRbQnK~Pt7$ct`!fupO(`y_WL4^-Iwn4@ly-.,[4xC4xc; y=\ipKMNm<1J>lv@PP~7Z<.t KjAnXLs: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-BETA2 i386 Organization: Kabbale Eros X-PGP: 0xC71405A2 Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:58:58 -0000 On Sat 1 dec 07 at 14:25:08 +0100, Erik Trulsson wrote: > The ports freeze is intended to make sure the ports tree is in a stable and > well tested state for the release. Updating major ports always carry a > great risk of breaking things thus defeating the point of the freeze. Anyway, if the freeze is too long, and if the new version is released several weeks after the thaw, very few will install these packages: a lot of updates will be committed, and many users will update their ports tree to install the new versions. This is very difficult to find a good compromise! -- Th. Thomas. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 14:35:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B11E16A421 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:35:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C2B13C448 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:35:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id A86201CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:51:58 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 06:51:58 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201132251.GA20300@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20071201132251.GA20300@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:35:11 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 05:22:51 Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:08:43AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > > I must say I am having difficulty understanding the policies applicable > > during ports freeze. > > I had hoped that http://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/qa.html and > http://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/implementation.html would have been clear > enough on what the policies are -- that was the motivation for writing > these documents. > > > The freeze seems to be of longer duration than originally expected > > As are most of them. Welcome to the world of software engineering > schedules :-) > > > I would however like to ask, on the basis of what is being learned now, > > how could the length freezes be diminished on future occasions? > > After the 5.3 release, there was a lot of discussion between the ports > management and release engineering teams on how to do exactly that. > > To some extent we're dependent on the state of the source tree; changes > that affect the ABI cause us to have to go back and re-do package sets. > The release engineers are now much more aware of this impact that they > were in the past. However, .0 releases are particularly difficult on > this front, since we have to live with any ABI mistakes for several > years. Thus, it's worth a delay to avoid having to support a bad or > questionable implemenation. Unfortunately, these are often not caught > until the prelease starts to get widespread testing outside of the > developer community. > > Another cause is that we're trying to get as many packages buildable and > useful for release as we can. This is particularly important for the > non-i386 architectures, which do not have as large a user base. > > Note: this time we waited to start the freeze until nearly the RC1 date -- > in the past, we had done it earlier in the beta cycles. There's nothing > to be done when RC1 slips, however; we want to have as good a package > set entering RC1 as we can get. > > In the meantime, the number of working packages is probably close to an > all-time high numerically (I don't have enough sense of historically to > say percentage-wise, although I suspect it's a recent maximum). Folks > can help out by trying to install systems just from the packages and > letting us know what problems they find. > It seems to me we have a good definition of the problem but, at the risk of giving offence, I am going to suggest that we have gone about solving it the wrong way. I am going to propose a solution that some may find controversial. Before I do so let me step outsiide the freebsd environment and ask what our comments would be if MS$ were to announce that they were about to release an upgrade to their operating system and until the new upgrade had been released upgrades to existing applications would be barred. I am sure we would all agree that that was ridiculous. But that is the result of our current practice. What proportion of freebsd users will immediately upgrade to the new releases?? Maybe 5% or 10% at the most. Mosty users will stick with their existing release. This means that 90 - 95% of users are being seriously inconvenienced by the existing port freeze methos. The question is can we find an alternative?? How about maintaining the port tree as usual during the pre release period. By default all releases in the tree prior to a selected date should incorporate a release dependency in their makefile that would NOT include the pending future release. As each port is tested against the new release its release depency would be changed and upgardes could continue to be added to the tree as normal. This would mean the majority are not being inconvenienced by the needs of a tiny minority to artifically hasten changes to ports to ensure they are compatible with the new release. At the moment the tail is wagging the dog and it is becoming less and less acceptable that we should continue to operate in way that many may feel is somewhat quaint but seems IMHO to be increasingly arcane and out of touch with the needs of most users. David Southwell From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 15:09:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9416A46E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9019913C468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:09:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.22]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Dec 2007 09:40:28 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.3-GA) with ESMTP id OCG93616; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:40:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 01 Dec 2007 09:39:24 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18257.29275.300216.248920@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:40:27 -0500 To: David Southwell In-Reply-To: <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201132251.GA20300@soaustin.net> <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr02.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:09:03 -0000 David Southwell writes: > Before I do so let me step outsiide the freebsd environment and > ask what our comments would be if MS$ were to announce that they > were about to release an upgrade to their operating system and > until the new upgrade had been released upgrades to existing > applications would be barred. We don't know such delays /don't/ happen; all we know is they aren't announced. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 15:11:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E087016A474 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE3913C474 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:11:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5718473pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:11:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1T1VVRykqGNC++zOQxZCt1Y0JZNetE6oD+GwtfBuiYY=; b=xoj3AUlucS2AtXYEKGVRqvPs4Wx1NQhGNCmO+PYyLj1h6yaJ1jVsdGbgVK/jyNW0Z3JiCnL2Y0Htpr7GrLmfc7vfO6994/zlgB12IvzDvUcp6K3/YkRbF6APIoX43gy0JR1JaTBcZ7K8d7Yu2/sYpiL1g3BlDyf9oYHoOSay5Aw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BtDN19p1uxOOazPxjmB0k/P353Sb/FK0yQEz0TTQzYf4LrqOn6XAv7fh/GGDizI6jm+FXgKb1erWPNCmWyFtD5uYzyPWVwG2nUluA5VvpBuY/4+EGXPCtSz1LODhiCTgtAMgPyswb3ZMmOVKBmsCPWt/lKZC2JFJAi9x4Pb2084= Received: by 10.65.233.16 with SMTP id k16mr7095905qbr.1196521909804; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:11:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q14sm5617204qbq.2007.12.01.07.11.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:11:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475179B3.7040504@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:11:47 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201132251.GA20300@soaustin.net> <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> <18257.29275.300216.248920@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <18257.29275.300216.248920@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:11:52 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Huff wrote: > David Southwell writes: > >> Before I do so let me step outsiide the freebsd environment and >> ask what our comments would be if MS$ were to announce that they >> were about to release an upgrade to their operating system and >> until the new upgrade had been released upgrades to existing >> applications would be barred. > > We don't know such delays /don't/ happen; all we know is they > aren't announced. > Besides just as with FreeBSD a person is free to release something outside of the standard framework. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUXmz358R5LPuPvsRApxSAKCv+JoC45eQ22USbhA/dttpG4kaTwCffSru O5ncCrKn1tBfJHBSMwqr51o= =nQsp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 15:21:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8621A16A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:21:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF78113C468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 939E01CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:38:00 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:38:00 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132251.GA20300@soaustin.net> <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010738.00357.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:21:13 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 06:51:58 David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 05:22:51 Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:08:43AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > > > I must say I am having difficulty understanding the policies applicable > > > during ports freeze. > > > > I had hoped that http://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/qa.html and > > http://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/implementation.html would have been clear > > enough on what the policies are -- that was the motivation for writing > > these documents. > > > > > The freeze seems to be of longer duration than originally expected > > > > As are most of them. Welcome to the world of software engineering > > schedules :-) > > > > > I would however like to ask, on the basis of what is being learned now, > > > how could the length freezes be diminished on future occasions? > > > > After the 5.3 release, there was a lot of discussion between the ports > > management and release engineering teams on how to do exactly that. > > > > To some extent we're dependent on the state of the source tree; changes > > that affect the ABI cause us to have to go back and re-do package sets. > > The release engineers are now much more aware of this impact that they > > were in the past. However, .0 releases are particularly difficult on > > this front, since we have to live with any ABI mistakes for several > > years. Thus, it's worth a delay to avoid having to support a bad or > > questionable implemenation. Unfortunately, these are often not caught > > until the prelease starts to get widespread testing outside of the > > developer community. > > > > Another cause is that we're trying to get as many packages buildable and > > useful for release as we can. This is particularly important for the > > non-i386 architectures, which do not have as large a user base. > > > > Note: this time we waited to start the freeze until nearly the RC1 date > > -- in the past, we had done it earlier in the beta cycles. There's > > nothing to be done when RC1 slips, however; we want to have as good a > > package set entering RC1 as we can get. > > > > In the meantime, the number of working packages is probably close to an > > all-time high numerically (I don't have enough sense of historically to > > say percentage-wise, although I suspect it's a recent maximum). Folks > > can help out by trying to install systems just from the packages and > > letting us know what problems they find. > > It seems to me we have a good definition of the problem but, at the risk of > giving offence, I am going to suggest that we have gone about solving it > the wrong way. I am going to propose a solution that some may find > controversial. > > Before I do so let me step outsiide the freebsd environment and ask what > our comments would be if MS$ were to announce that they were about to > release an upgrade to their operating system and until the new upgrade had > been released upgrades to existing applications would be barred. I am sure > we would all agree that that was ridiculous. But that is the result of our > current practice. > > What proportion of freebsd users will immediately upgrade to the new > releases?? Maybe 5% or 10% at the most. Mosty users will stick with their > existing release. This means that 90 - 95% of users are being seriously > inconvenienced by the existing port freeze methos. The question is can we > find an alternative?? > > How about maintaining the port tree as usual during the pre release period. > By default all releases in the tree prior to a selected date should > incorporate a release dependency in their makefile that would NOT include > the pending future release. > > As each port is tested against the new release its release depency would be > changed and upgardes could continue to be added to the tree as normal. > > This would mean the majority are not being inconvenienced by the needs of a > tiny minority to artifically hasten changes to ports to ensure they are > compatible with the new release. > > At the moment the tail is wagging the dog and it is becoming less and less > acceptable that we should continue to operate in way that many may feel is > somewhat quaint but seems IMHO to be increasingly arcane and out of touch > with the needs of most users. > > David Southwell > > Just to add a I should have made in anticipation of what many would see as a major objection to this proposal. If my suggestion is followed I accept release schedules would be adversely impacted. Frankly if that is the price we have to pay then so be it. I know developers who are working on the new releases would like to see them out there, being used as quickly as possible. But I do believe such wishes should be given as much weight as the ports freeze method delivers. IMHO haste to deliver new releases is NOT so important to most users who need the system to be working and reliable and support their desire to keep ports up to date with other systems. A new release of the OS now and again is a bonus but not fundamenta. A new realease is really great but it does not have to happen in a rush or at the price of a majore disruption to the ports updating system. IMHO when all our applications cannot be upgraded for more than two weeks then the cost benefit ratio is impacted by a major shift in perception. The cost element moves from inconvenience to unacceptability and the benefit from "that might be useful in the future" to "I do not know whether I really need this". David Southwell From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 15:28:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3519616A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:28:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01D1713C44B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:28:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 3F0001CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:45:01 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:45:00 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <18257.29275.300216.248920@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <475179B3.7040504@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <475179B3.7040504@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010745.00995.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:28:13 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 07:11:47 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Robert Huff wrote: > > David Southwell writes: > >> Before I do so let me step outsiide the freebsd environment and > >> ask what our comments would be if MS$ were to announce that they > >> were about to release an upgrade to their operating system and > >> until the new upgrade had been released upgrades to existing > >> applications would be barred. > > > > We don't know such delays /don't/ happen; all we know is they > > aren't announced. > > Besides just as with FreeBSD a person is free to release something > outside of the standard framework. IMHO The standard framework of the freebsd ports system is freebsd's msp. I do not believe we do any good by squandering and neutering its major asset for a minor advantage -- unnecessarily hastening a new release. David From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 15:32:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6232F16A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:32:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C02D13C4CE for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:32:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 658B11CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:49:01 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:49:00 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> In-Reply-To: <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:32:13 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 05:58:21 Thierry Thomas wrote: > On Sat 1 dec 07 at 14:25:08 +0100, Erik Trulsson > > wrote: > > The ports freeze is intended to make sure the ports tree is in a stable > > and well tested state for the release. Updating major ports always carry > > a great risk of breaking things thus defeating the point of the freeze. > > Anyway, if the freeze is too long, and if the new version is released > several weeks after the thaw, very few will install these packages: > a lot of updates will be committed, and many users will update their > ports tree to install the new versions. This is very difficult to find a > good compromise! I do not think we need a compromise we need a different system. We need one that preserves continuity of support for existing systems while the new releases are testedin a way that does not adversely impact them. The priority needs to be the current user base not a desire to rush a new release out the door at all costs. David From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 15:41:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5992A16A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:41:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B9B13C468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:41:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5729861pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:41:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=riVzu2HAj+3GiAZUA8ShULGA3nThPmCjIYTGS9nhMhA=; b=GqpxOKoXShH3SpLWRzBBjqBRpXgjGtdWlQwAhdXFi6QvhRYKSoGDzSHutKcncuRP4pJVQwt2+hXPJMdgjH+tCTo9xsNrqzExkaNIwvY/6CfcMJngAyc09X5rugA/aUaYIe0Iwb0+FN2DvaN1sKyr8VRYevoiUVL0isWXUzkMtC4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZiUY+aQgC92TVuEcr/eX2MLIIxmsrWyi6IAU0I48FNol4BTmp1QKKLQe72B9gY/weWXzO3yHBKUDbHSpAUtyzo8M7k8w5SZbNCtiz8aahSyMb4KDW8n2iRKwT1rtQezzVIoirdp475+6rVPH0wKO+Hyi8QMu6HKfZywDStXz+7A= Received: by 10.65.35.6 with SMTP id n6mr3775542qbj.1196523715075; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:41:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q15sm5570476qbq.2007.12.01.07.41.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:41:54 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475180BF.6010302@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:41:51 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:41:56 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > I do not think we need a compromise we need a different system. We > need one that preserves continuity of support for existing systems > while the new releases are testedin a way that does not adversely > impact them. The priority needs to be the current user base not a > desire to rush a new release out the door at all costs. Over the last few days I have read a very good book that sheds a lot of light on this "Beyond Software Architecture" by Luke Huffman (Addison Wesley, 2003, ISBN: 0-201-77954-8) [I am sure it is somewhere on the p2p nets]. His thesis is that there are two side by side architectures both of which must be in sync for a really good solution. There is the technical and the marketing architectures. Disclaimer he a decidedly MS/mass market view. The port freeze might make a lot of sense from the technical architecture but it makes horrible sense from the marketing. I think the FreeBSD community would do well to consider his main points in any major redo of the current standard way of doing things. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUYC/358R5LPuPvsRAjlUAKCd4qW1hTfT+qdVnFDOzfaWZXKmPgCdExrK op4PIZTRj34SkyhSTfcTUiY= =VHoy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 15:57:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5959516A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:57:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E7913C442 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5735947pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:57:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=AY8Z4LfGkr0+hm+KPitC3g1v7DSbiJxbqWvfZILmzI0=; b=JrOO9nAETxqDoTpXL1RWCXjsbGiWlZNOQogKWMJGRfUQpQBp7iP09+pHinO1BP6myIXJpwsP7XjUqR9ZV/9LmohaY4ZQBjUsS0x5uJ5CsBXhDmsz2ShcCAjllmoA0IRVS43py/f1NTZgdLnWrX/f5L8XSc5RIKdT6FGWfCGaxgI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ZHUwDGtPQNVpfdPLjytBmgAP5Xf6wbIZ0HhF/g47iko5IRBgeyMnfagEhC3aUHSrXAh9AyEFZDAJEdiJYkYZuK8Plc1OEGPL8JfR5tpxfyFpLrgvu4b/ZUlLK9mWkyjODqM+/JgbvqJZKtMsN+1O6DmXeWIGe6aefUe4bvtyQeE= Received: by 10.65.150.18 with SMTP id c18mr21072114qbo.1196524666876; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:57:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f13sm5630770qba.2007.12.01.07.57.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 07:57:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47518479.7070601@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:57:45 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrei Kolu References: <200712011015.58979.antik@bsd.ee> <4751248C.4040500@gmail.com> <200712011748.17573.antik@bsd.ee> In-Reply-To: <200712011748.17573.antik@bsd.ee> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xorg meta ports bloated dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:57:48 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Andrei Kolu wrote: > Saturday 01 December 2007 11:08:28 kirjutas Yuri Pankov: >> Andrei Kolu wrote: >>> Saturday 01 December 2007 05:20:40 kirjutas >>> dexterclarke@safe-mail.net: >>>> I've just been helping somebody through an installation of >>>> 6.2-RELEASE and we've noticed the excessive dependencies of >>>> the xorg meta ports. >>>> >>>> xorg-server 1.4, for example, depends on: >>>> >>>> dbus-1.0.2_2, dbus-glib-0.74, glib-2.14.2, gnome_subr-1.0, >>>> hal-0.5.8.20070909 and even strange things like >>>> cdrtools-2.01_6. >>>> >>>> xorg-server 1.2 (the one distributed with the 6.2-RELEASE CD) >>>> doesn't have these dependencies. >>>> >>>> Putting it bluntly: why is this crap being dragged in? >>>> Neither of us use GNOME or anything that might require dbus. >>>> I can't see why xorg-server could possibly need any of the >>>> above? >>>> >>>> Anxiously awaiting a flaming argument. >>> And why xorg should include ugly fonts like adobe* an type1*? >> Because it IS a *META* port and should install everything that is >> part of xorg distribution? You are free to install the ports that >> you need, use WITHOUT_HAL for xorg-server, etc. And there are >> many people who think that ttf fonts are ugly, and bitmap and >> type1 fonts are more readable. >> > I'd like to see choices in metaport- ncurses based menus with > packages we really need. It is impossible to install Xorg without > metaport (anyone have done that at all?)- 300+ separate ports IIRC. > After removing unnecessary ports (fonts FE) and later you may try > to upgrade Xorg to newer version then package dependency would be > broken... It is *NOT* the metaport that drags all this stuff in but xorg-server. I attempted to do slightly disconnected install (worked relatively well except for when it came to installing something fancier then a wm) which was install xorg-server the i/o drivers for my platform and the xorg apps I wanted. What I found was: 1. xorg-server does a very bad job on fonts dependicies (it installs almost no fonts) 2. many xorg-apps assume they are being installed as a part of the metaport and do not sufficently check their own dependicies. 3. xorg and other long tool chains show some major weaknesses in the ports system: a. Inconsitent overridding or lack there of the config target (ports(8)) b. Due to bad management of the dependancy DAG you are forced to use meta ports c. Due to c there is much less orthangonality then there should be between ports > > Or how can I tell metaport how to NOT INSTALL some crap I don't > need. > > Andrei _______________________________________________ > freebsd-x11@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-x11 To > unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-x11-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUYR4358R5LPuPvsRAoiGAJ9NaKDYLwcRSv0VhMX33nM4mrhLyQCg0xgp 0aFL+ABnSgv6US0406z8QEw= =agK4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:02:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06EBF16A469 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:02:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB18F13C46B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:01:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1G1u3F015229 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:01:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <47518575.9040806@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:01:57 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071118 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> <475180BF.6010302@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <475180BF.6010302@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:02:00 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > >> I do not think we need a compromise we need a different system. We >> need one that preserves continuity of support for existing systems >> while the new releases are testedin a way that does not adversely >> impact them. The priority needs to be the current user base not a >> desire to rush a new release out the door at all costs. > > Over the last few days I have read a very good book that sheds a lot > of light on this "Beyond Software Architecture" by Luke Huffman > (Addison Wesley, 2003, ISBN: 0-201-77954-8) [I am sure it is somewhere > on the p2p nets]. His thesis is that there are two side by side > architectures both of which must be in sync for a really good > solution. There is the technical and the marketing architectures. > Disclaimer he a decidedly MS/mass market view. > > The port freeze might make a lot of sense from the technical > architecture but it makes horrible sense from the marketing. I think > the FreeBSD community would do well to consider his main points in any > major redo of the current standard way of doing things. Yes, but if I am going to do things from a MS/Marketing perspective, how about this: Maybe the way to fix the problem is not by changing the way we do things, but by changing expectations. For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list are getting frustrated because some of the applications are now getting to be about a month old. But why should we expect to have the latest and greatest in version number of application? It is because this is what we usually have, and so a periodic hiccup is out of the ordinary and so frustrates us. But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you also get the latest and greatest in this super timely manner? (To be honest this is not a rhetorical question, but my guess is "no.") In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary user? Or is it us port maintainers who wish they could get their more recent PR's accepted? Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have information that things could be a little more up to date. But if we weren't in the know, then we wouldn't be so upset. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:05:29 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E784B16A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8715E13C46E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:05:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.13.8/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id lB1G5SFe094236 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:05:28 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 166 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6069223724B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:05:27 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 56EBA80; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:05:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:05:27 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201160527.GA56481@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.166]); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:05:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4969/Sat Dec 1 15:24:46 2007 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 47518648.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:05:30 -0000 David Southwell wrote: > What proportion of freebsd users will immediately upgrade to the new > releases?? Maybe 5% or 10% at the most. Mosty users will stick with > their existing release. This means that 90 - 95% of users are being > seriously inconvenienced by the existing port freeze methos. The > question is can we find an alternative?? I could not disagree more with you. Many users will jump to the new release, and very few need to run the latest version of some port. The rare needing ones are able to download the sources from the "vendor", run ./configure --prefix=/crap, make, make install without requiring assistance and permission from the ports tree. Personnally i am very happy with the short stabilisation period offered by the ports freeze, which allows to get something in good shape, and not the continuous evolution that one gets in between. This means in particular that i am not a portupgrade maniac, upgrading each day to have the satisfaction of completely breaking my installation ... -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:10:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006A916A46E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BA713C46E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:10:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5740760pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:10:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=16/LeNSpEBGsZ83taBdybgTg2UKDCPRi8UnQttSvlqw=; b=Gs3JQ8mS0iAgJ20Bca5wexVBz8Z+Oeo0nMFY2U9v71weqqUN7WN5ENQzSUd6ZYcPLvCVCIv6UcbLG9G1oXw/tMAQbh3bA2PsNF3MDDeDVl0aC604zo3DMgT4/L6e1dbGcpBvnaxLZQxLspKbDJeLey98cBAsEMFcUlV8+RV2mHY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HC76BdcPojHSUIr6UiEGb+6pz84ddQTvvxv1R/vJvD34FnDk52uYAboaYk1rGrZb/iG12llYhfhiUKEc1ef/vXHxdwNfnGQrHCErwo+DRKptAX5y1wRkbOdo6Kl/VIesPAcY58A6Jrr4Zrd2oH9SRcbN86KkDMaFEzGiv5vVaws= Received: by 10.64.53.20 with SMTP id b20mr2994646qba.1196525412932; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:10:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f14sm5588456qba.2007.12.01.08.10.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:10:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47518763.30509@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:10:11 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> <475180BF.6010302@gmail.com> <47518575.9040806@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <47518575.9040806@math.missouri.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:10:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> >>> I do not think we need a compromise we need a different system. >>> We need one that preserves continuity of support for existing >>> systems while the new releases are testedin a way that does not >>> adversely impact them. The priority needs to be the current >>> user base not a desire to rush a new release out the door at >>> all costs. >> >> Over the last few days I have read a very good book that sheds a >> lot of light on this "Beyond Software Architecture" by Luke >> Huffman (Addison Wesley, 2003, ISBN: 0-201-77954-8) [I am sure it >> is somewhere on the p2p nets]. His thesis is that there are two >> side by side architectures both of which must be in sync for a >> really good solution. There is the technical and the marketing >> architectures. Disclaimer he a decidedly MS/mass market view. >> >> The port freeze might make a lot of sense from the technical >> architecture but it makes horrible sense from the marketing. I >> think the FreeBSD community would do well to consider his main >> points in any major redo of the current standard way of doing >> things. > > Yes, but if I am going to do things from a MS/Marketing > perspective, how about this: Maybe the way to fix the problem is > not by changing the way we do things, but by changing expectations. > He actually singles out MS for some extremely harsh criticism in their lack of keeping the two in sync. > > For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list are > getting frustrated because some of the applications are now getting > to be about a month old. But why should we expect to have the > latest and greatest in version number of application? It is > because this is what we usually have, and so a periodic hiccup is > out of the ordinary and so frustrates us. > > But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you also get > the latest and greatest in this super timely manner? (To be > honest this is not a rhetorical question, but my guess is "no.") > > In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary user? Or > is it us port maintainers who wish they could get their more recent > PR's accepted? > > Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have information > that things could be a little more up to date. But if we weren't > in the know, then we wouldn't be so upset. I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports are unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always room for improvement and the frustrations voiced should be looked as an opportunity to improve it instead of us (the complainers) crying in our milk. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUYdj358R5LPuPvsRAmVmAJ9tTZcYeh/vPZApCAQST3Q9cM1apgCfaFjw sz4K3dhH9iovN1mVwbWd9Uw= =1rIX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:28:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 750F116A469 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:28:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1427313C468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.13.8/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id lB1Fc60t088148 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:38:06 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 166 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F172371F9 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:38:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 3787680; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:38:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:38:05 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201153805.GA56402@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.166]); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:38:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4969/Sat Dec 1 15:24:46 2007 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 47517FDE.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:28:46 -0000 Thierry Thomas wrote: > Anyway, if the freeze is too long, and if the new version is released > several weeks after the thaw, very few will install these packages: > a lot of updates will be committed, and many users will update their > ports tree to install the new versions. This is very difficult to find a > good compromise! As you are saying, this is a question of compromise. You can stay months and months with everything frozen in the vain hope of chasing every bug. This is typically what Debian Stable does and why it always ships with obsoleted software. Or you can rush to deliver the latest and greatest with minimal quality assurance, typically what Mandrake has done frequently, so gaining bad reputation. In my opinion, FreeBSD has a very good compromise, it delivers reasonably recent ports, wich are reasonably working. The ports freeze is certainly not longer than many in the past, let us thank the ports developers for the good job they are doing. This job is one of the main assets of FreeBSD. People who want to play with software in obvious beta state, like KDE4.0 are welcome to install Ubuntu on a spare partition and download the KDE4 packages. From the messages on Ubuntu forums, the stability is poor. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:32:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7067D16A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223EA13C455 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:32:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1GW8oW015428; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:32:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from localhost (redmail@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lB1GW8Gg015425; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:32:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cauchy.math.missouri.edu: redmail owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:32:07 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-X-Sender: redmail@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-Reply-To: <47518763.30509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071201102243.N15323@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> <475180BF.6010302@gmail.com> <47518575.9040806@math.missouri.edu> <47518763.30509@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:32:10 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> >> For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list are >> getting frustrated because some of the applications are now getting >> to be about a month old. But why should we expect to have the >> latest and greatest in version number of application? It is >> because this is what we usually have, and so a periodic hiccup is >> out of the ordinary and so frustrates us. >> >> But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you also get >> the latest and greatest in this super timely manner? (To be >> honest this is not a rhetorical question, but my guess is "no.") >> >> In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary user? Or >> is it us port maintainers who wish they could get their more recent >> PR's accepted? >> >> Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have information >> that things could be a little more up to date. But if we weren't >> in the know, then we wouldn't be so upset. > > I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports are > unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always room for > improvement and the frustrations voiced should be looked as an > opportunity to improve it instead of us (the complainers) crying in > our milk. I feel that your deflection of the points I made was a little unfair. My question is - why exactly is there a frustration? Is it because the FreeBSD community have somehow set expectations to be "totally up to date" a little too high? Are we simply expecting more from FreeBSD than we get from Linux distributions or MS, simply because the average user has tremendous knowledge and insight into the internal development process? Remember, I'm just an average user, just like you. I have no special axe to grind in defending FreeBSD. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:38:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39CB16A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BF0213C458 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:38:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5752076pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:38:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FM/VXhmV4dwVwo+yF80HFJr/ZC0ehD+90iE0pX2EsbU=; b=DnFEnSLSDAE7HOVWDI1D7Djg6ej8q6e0yXG/9pmegiDO3oyZvz+M7J4jWY6YOUWzcvQ5iEcPmxRibUEy2sT3ZmrTkm0bNPdKCbSZEwdeelEfLevMQ120BGMI+uZgPJ8ynA4EevtiTKX5gAg8RwE+HOw3t5DKQG5/9gb0ETg8wnY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ubw7IW7MKNXGPF9aLMfVVKVEUoTr/ohdVJsYfLzB0uSEwe24Cr7q9ClTHDngvZ0cwmqgqw6UfMJRoyn/TlXsmf2lFdlpMyvHHQ6T8x0+VKUy5Hx677EmoMdOFz9NGOgBVOa1aLsFa7pe0w3bdPR0BFeYHukyGcbV3LeN3p6DSUM= Received: by 10.65.224.11 with SMTP id b11mr21149114qbr.1196527134308; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:38:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm5620442qbe.2007.12.01.08.38.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 08:38:53 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47518E1C.6090703@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:38:52 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> <475180BF.6010302@gmail.com> <47518575.9040806@math.missouri.edu> <47518763.30509@gmail.com> <20071201102243.N15323@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071201102243.N15323@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:38:55 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> >>> For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list are >>> getting frustrated because some of the applications are now >>> getting to be about a month old. But why should we expect to >>> have the latest and greatest in version number of application? >>> It is because this is what we usually have, and so a periodic >>> hiccup is out of the ordinary and so frustrates us. >>> >>> But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you also >>> get the latest and greatest in this super timely manner? (To >>> be honest this is not a rhetorical question, but my guess is >>> "no.") >>> >>> In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary user? >>> Or is it us port maintainers who wish they could get their more >>> recent PR's accepted? >>> >>> Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have >>> information that things could be a little more up to date. But >>> if we weren't in the know, then we wouldn't be so upset. >> >> I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports are >> unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always room for >> improvement and the frustrations voiced should be looked as an >> opportunity to improve it instead of us (the complainers) crying >> in our milk. > > I feel that your deflection of the points I made was a little > unfair. My question is - why exactly is there a frustration? Is it > because the FreeBSD community have somehow set expectations to be > "totally up to date" a little too high? Are we simply expecting > more from FreeBSD than we get from Linux distributions or MS, > simply because the average user has tremendous knowledge and > insight into the internal development process? > > Remember, I'm just an average user, just like you. I have no > special axe to grind in defending FreeBSD. > Even though this is best answered in a more systematic way (an "official" review of the entire problem set) here are my reasons for being frustrated: 1. There as has been some work that I am aware on ports I use that has not bean released during the freeze for various reasons (such as miro and qemu patchs [enable the use of physical drives and run vista without crashing]). None of them are pressing enough for me to bypass the ports system because everytime you do so you complicate upgrading (have fun keeping track of what you installed from ports and what came from vendor tar's) 2. As a developer I have 3 ports I would like to release ;-) - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUY4c358R5LPuPvsRAgK+AKC5TVP0F84YEW8FuSSfwT7nmEOn4gCg7J61 cyIsWSTss6v1w+p1ROQFAXI= =Onqs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:05:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CE316A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avi_rot@hotmail.com) Received: from blu139-omc1-s2.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc1-s2.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.142]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C6013C467 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:05:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avi_rot@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU115-W35 ([65.55.162.183]) by blu139-omc1-s2.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:53:52 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.8.55.153] From: avi rot To: Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:53:52 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 15:53:52.0010 (UTC) FILETIME=[5E982EA0:01C83432] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:39:02 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: make search= X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:05:54 -0000 Hi freebsd 6.2 i try to find amule port with the command "make search name=amule" instead i type "make search=emule" , the command run long time until i terminate it. my question is what the "make search=emule" command do , and do i need to do something tor reverse it. thank you Avi _________________________________________________________________ Discover the new Windows Vista http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vista&mkt=en-US&form=QBRE From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:41:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E8416A46E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:41:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B7413C468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:41:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from localhost (marvin-mail [192.168.0.2]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77997BFC3E; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:41:42 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian) at harmless.hu Received: from marvin.harmless.hu ([192.168.0.2]) by localhost (marvin.harmless.hu [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jkbHxRhptDnz; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:41:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3B57BFC08; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:41:40 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:41:40 +0100 From: Gergely CZUCZY To: avi rot Message-ID: <20071201164140.GA24248@harmless.hu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=x-unknown; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make search= X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:41:46 -0000 --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:53:52PM +0000, avi rot wrote: > Hi > =20 > freebsd 6.2 > i try to find amule port with the command "make search name=3Damule" > instead i type "make search=3Demule" , the command run long time until i = terminate it. > my question is what the "make search=3Demule" command do , and do i need = to do something tor reverse it. it runs "make build" with the variable named "search" st to "emule". it will build all porst, and install their dependencies. man pkg_info man pkg_delete Sincerely, Gergely Czuczy mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu --=20 Weenies test. Geniuses solve problems that arise. --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) owFtU71rFFEQPxNtFixSWWa4xiK3695HTDw5FXIaEcWPBCws5N3u3O2Q3ffW92bv vBTaBvxAxFQ2qQVBwVpSCFoFW7GxsPQPEGycvUsiAZdlePPm934z85v3XpycrczM 7b37cG/h6cvXx97OnuotZAWzHviZskPSfj0M636j1Wgt+y2/ES8u1TE6V49asWo1 m6u3n39aMZpRs78+zrENjA/5TJ4q0uchSpR1yJ2C+/6yd4DrksuNIyaj20A6JY2H sXWrtOuj9S/ryMSkB214UBjG2M8taVa9FD3vpoY1xTXoYgRhvQaNMFwCxRA224vy N27dgIVQvhqoIYE1DCMx2PYuwFUS02mEYvsWsediOBs0xCNgOwY20Ccdg8qKFCE3 Vo4SJ8AJQmSyTEmsmqkNBIfKRglolWGn2Z3gqyWNdowqLulEjSNYgeEEBrUjfLbQ kBo9AKYModBMqRzveIw2I60YgTgQ6mwsUqArZQNyMEqk45Ln/zkO2GMj6fYXBBox LqlN6TqTISdUZjYWLA5RhjVJRlxW5fapewWlcfWfEENlqRzEpHnRY5q6Co5L/arT AiYkI0rT6XFQshI9HU+rKXUqt4SPLMSYo45RR4Qu8DwpHPKNwX3SfXPoxJgiy/C9 NdIRWkzHNc9bRTuQFaxsFtHmWLCUsmnDYLodRJPtS3ILsxSdC5LC83y/HP9dRC3J 5LY6DmBVnMKJ60w6lLlbI+1lEi01lm4dBt7WxdkTlfK6H7yVuZknXyo727Xroz/u 8fH58z+3dpLfVx7B9rPKzqvdO3l1fu/z9+63j1/f/zr9ZvfHtb8= =dM4o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:48:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C9F16A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537F513C45B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:48:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:56782 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyVWG-0006qc-40 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:48:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 16758 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 17:48:41 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 1 Dec 2007 17:48:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 34458 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Dec 2007 17:48:41 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:48:41 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20071201164841.GA34390@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IyVWG-0006qc-40. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1IyVWG-0006qc-40 cd35fc75b88d5544baec9f51a365cd3e Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:48:45 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 07:49:00AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 05:58:21 Thierry Thomas wrote: > > On Sat 1 dec 07 at 14:25:08 +0100, Erik Trulsson > > > > wrote: > > > The ports freeze is intended to make sure the ports tree is in a stable > > > and well tested state for the release. Updating major ports always carry > > > a great risk of breaking things thus defeating the point of the freeze. > > > > Anyway, if the freeze is too long, and if the new version is released > > several weeks after the thaw, very few will install these packages: > > a lot of updates will be committed, and many users will update their > > ports tree to install the new versions. This is very difficult to find a > > good compromise! > > I do not think we need a compromise we need a different system. We need one > that preserves continuity of support for existing systems while the new > releases are testedin a way that does not adversely impact them. The priority > needs to be the current user base not a desire to rush a new release out the > door at all costs. Considering that FreeBSD releases almost always get delayed by several weeks compared to the original schedule I think it is safe to say that "a desire to rush a new release out the door at all costs" is something that the FreeBSD project certainly does not suffer from. Now it may be that due to the ports freeze, there will be some ports whose upgrade will be delayed for a couple of weeks (not to be confused with those ports whose upgrade gets delayed for other reasons.) I do not consider this to be a major problem. I think you vastly overestimate the need for the ports tree to always have the latest versions of all softwares contained therein. In those very rare cases where a user just cannot wait 2-3 weeks extra for an upgrade, they can always try to build the software themselves outside the ports system. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:58:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8E3D16A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF40213C45B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1GwHPx015782; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:58:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from localhost (redmail@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lB1GwHZS015779; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:58:17 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cauchy.math.missouri.edu: redmail owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:58:17 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-X-Sender: redmail@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-Reply-To: <47518E1C.6090703@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> <475180BF.6010302@gmail.com> <47518575.9040806@math.missouri.edu> <47518763.30509@gmail.com> <20071201102243.N15323@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <47518E1C.6090703@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:58:18 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> >>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>> >>>> For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list are >>>> getting frustrated because some of the applications are now >>>> getting to be about a month old. But why should we expect to >>>> have the latest and greatest in version number of application? >>>> It is because this is what we usually have, and so a periodic >>>> hiccup is out of the ordinary and so frustrates us. >>>> >>>> But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you also >>>> get the latest and greatest in this super timely manner? (To >>>> be honest this is not a rhetorical question, but my guess is >>>> "no.") >>>> >>>> In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary user? >>>> Or is it us port maintainers who wish they could get their more >>>> recent PR's accepted? >>>> >>>> Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have >>>> information that things could be a little more up to date. But >>>> if we weren't in the know, then we wouldn't be so upset. >>> >>> I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports are >>> unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always room for >>> improvement and the frustrations voiced should be looked as an >>> opportunity to improve it instead of us (the complainers) crying >>> in our milk. >> >> I feel that your deflection of the points I made was a little >> unfair. My question is - why exactly is there a frustration? Is it >> because the FreeBSD community have somehow set expectations to be >> "totally up to date" a little too high? Are we simply expecting >> more from FreeBSD than we get from Linux distributions or MS, >> simply because the average user has tremendous knowledge and >> insight into the internal development process? >> >> Remember, I'm just an average user, just like you. I have no >> special axe to grind in defending FreeBSD. >> > > Even though this is best answered in a more systematic way (an > "official" review of the entire problem set) here are my reasons for > being frustrated: > > 1. There as has been some work that I am aware on ports I use that has > not bean released during the freeze for various reasons (such as miro > and qemu patchs [enable the use of physical drives and run vista > without crashing]). None of them are pressing enough for me to > bypass the ports system because everytime you do so you complicate > upgrading (have fun keeping track of what you installed from ports and > what came from vendor tar's) > > 2. As a developer I have 3 ports I would like to release ;-) But this agrees with my original assertion - that the frustration is from the port maintainers and originators, rather than the port users. What solution would you propose. The only one I can think of is that we have a ports-stable and a ports-current. But I can see many people not liking this idea. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:06:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D518A16A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FC5113C43E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5762800pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:06:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0q8SBF0SxgcDk+V58UwAM1zP5N9osmbmDTFkkfB79Xs=; b=GpG8w+UWZFZGiJIwNz18U7TF6ugYoMUTWk+bETlUmr/iyr8DW3o17at7P8+iox5fdj/jHSa6QKI/AE9TI4k+Lz7FbaFLk3Q0A8cLZPXURr5ZPT9bg4mRl81oFgfKO78TEeyuiAe4FgvvioBDDSRZz9PrC74pzg7fiOsLyjTapdY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D71lIG76XXFiMG5q5ubl00LBW1VDm19Xvx3dUhGQPcLTT5htbKszfeFrugu/fYA7X/RLSPq+aU7oFhlQhXzC9xGzBgr195SdBNtlFqzFymFLF+bQgN1SyPnmJ8ctftee/DbBNlwX310+/qyvRQGK7cqK7eDlbVi3gXkpbOHUQQs= Received: by 10.65.15.19 with SMTP id s19mr21225919qbi.1196528774271; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:06:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm5634906qba.2007.12.01.09.06.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:06:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47519484.6000408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:06:12 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201132508.GA33039@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071201135821.GK22121@graf.pompo.net> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> <475180BF.6010302@gmail.com> <47518575.9040806@math.missouri.edu> <47518763.30509@gmail.com> <20071201102243.N15323@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <47518E1C.6090703@gmail.com> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:06:17 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> >>>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>>>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list >>>>> are getting frustrated because some of the applications are >>>>> now getting to be about a month old. But why should we >>>>> expect to have the latest and greatest in version number of >>>>> application? It is because this is what we usually have, >>>>> and so a periodic hiccup is out of the ordinary and so >>>>> frustrates us. >>>>> >>>>> But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you >>>>> also get the latest and greatest in this super timely >>>>> manner? (To be honest this is not a rhetorical question, >>>>> but my guess is "no.") >>>>> >>>>> In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary >>>>> user? Or is it us port maintainers who wish they could get >>>>> their more recent PR's accepted? >>>>> >>>>> Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have >>>>> information that things could be a little more up to date. >>>>> But if we weren't in the know, then we wouldn't be so >>>>> upset. >>>> >>>> I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports are >>>> unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always room for >>>> improvement and the frustrations voiced should be looked as >>>> an opportunity to improve it instead of us (the complainers) >>>> crying in our milk. >>> >>> I feel that your deflection of the points I made was a little >>> unfair. My question is - why exactly is there a frustration? >>> Is it because the FreeBSD community have somehow set >>> expectations to be "totally up to date" a little too high? Are >>> we simply expecting more from FreeBSD than we get from Linux >>> distributions or MS, simply because the average user has >>> tremendous knowledge and insight into the internal development >>> process? >>> >>> Remember, I'm just an average user, just like you. I have no >>> special axe to grind in defending FreeBSD. >>> >> >> Even though this is best answered in a more systematic way (an >> "official" review of the entire problem set) here are my reasons >> for being frustrated: >> >> 1. There as has been some work that I am aware on ports I use >> that has not bean released during the freeze for various reasons >> (such as miro and qemu patchs [enable the use of physical drives >> and run vista without crashing]). None of them are pressing >> enough for me to bypass the ports system because everytime you do >> so you complicate upgrading (have fun keeping track of what you >> installed from ports and what came from vendor tar's) >> >> 2. As a developer I have 3 ports I would like to release ;-) > > But this agrees with my original assertion - that the frustration > is from the port maintainers and originators, rather than the port > users. Actually item 1 is more important to me then item 2. > > > > What solution would you propose. The only one I can think of is > that we have a ports-stable and a ports-current. But I can see > many people not liking this idea. > An other solution (and one suggested by Huffman) is create a matrix of what stuff has been tested against and on a port by port basis I can set a tested vs. untested flag for what set of depenancies to use. This is not much different then your idea just more fined grained. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUZSE358R5LPuPvsRAoafAKDb28txAZYyFrFQuWTLFSX8csdnUgCg4vNZ ZvDE/TetpCzjfeA+y9Y4ghI= =CJ82 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:16:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E966A16A420 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D9013C465 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 0DCFB1CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:33:30 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <47518E1C.6090703@gmail.com> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010933.30833.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:16:43 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 08:58:17 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >>>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >>>> > >>>> For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list are > >>>> getting frustrated because some of the applications are now > >>>> getting to be about a month old. But why should we expect to > >>>> have the latest and greatest in version number of application? > >>>> It is because this is what we usually have, and so a periodic > >>>> hiccup is out of the ordinary and so frustrates us. > >>>> > >>>> But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you also > >>>> get the latest and greatest in this super timely manner? (To > >>>> be honest this is not a rhetorical question, but my guess is > >>>> "no.") > >>>> > >>>> In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary user? > >>>> Or is it us port maintainers who wish they could get their more > >>>> recent PR's accepted? > >>>> > >>>> Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have > >>>> information that things could be a little more up to date. But > >>>> if we weren't in the know, then we wouldn't be so upset. > >>> > >>> I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports are > >>> unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always room for > >>> improvement and the frustrations voiced should be looked as an > >>> opportunity to improve it instead of us (the complainers) crying > >>> in our milk. > >> > >> I feel that your deflection of the points I made was a little > >> unfair. My question is - why exactly is there a frustration? Is it > >> because the FreeBSD community have somehow set expectations to be > >> "totally up to date" a little too high? Are we simply expecting > >> more from FreeBSD than we get from Linux distributions or MS, > >> simply because the average user has tremendous knowledge and > >> insight into the internal development process? > >> > >> Remember, I'm just an average user, just like you. I have no > >> special axe to grind in defending FreeBSD. > > > > Even though this is best answered in a more systematic way (an > > "official" review of the entire problem set) here are my reasons for > > being frustrated: > > > > 1. There as has been some work that I am aware on ports I use that has > > not bean released during the freeze for various reasons (such as miro > > and qemu patchs [enable the use of physical drives and run vista > > without crashing]). None of them are pressing enough for me to > > bypass the ports system because everytime you do so you complicate > > upgrading (have fun keeping track of what you installed from ports and > > what came from vendor tar's) > > > > 2. As a developer I have 3 ports I would like to release ;-) > > But this agrees with my original assertion - that the frustration is from > the port maintainers and originators, rather than the port users. > > > > What solution would you propose. The only one I can think of is > that we have a ports-stable and a ports-current. But I can see many > people not liking this idea. > _______________________________________________ I suggest you re-read my original. IMHO there are multiple choices beyond the notion of ports-stable and ports current. The idea I proposed is that ports have release dependencies and as new releases are being prepared maintainers change the dependencies when the port has been tested and ready for the new release. In other words the process becomes one of independent migration of capability over time rather than a mad rush within a freeze. The problem is trying to get everything done at once. The current solution is designed around the needs of developers rather than the needs of users!! IMHO we need to switch priorities. It does not matter if it takes 3 months to have the ports migrated for the new release. It does matter to not have upgrades when you work in communities with multiple operating systems. It matters when you cannot test projects using the same version of software that someone else is using. The current OS capability is less significant to end users than port capabilities. David Southwell From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:23:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F185416A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:23:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52AFC13C448 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:23:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 218421CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:40:33 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:40:32 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <47519484.6000408@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <47519484.6000408@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010940.32888.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:23:45 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 09:06:12 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >>>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > >>>>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list > >>>>> are getting frustrated because some of the applications are > >>>>> now getting to be about a month old. But why should we > >>>>> expect to have the latest and greatest in version number of > >>>>> application? It is because this is what we usually have, > >>>>> and so a periodic hiccup is out of the ordinary and so > >>>>> frustrates us. > >>>>> > >>>>> But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you > >>>>> also get the latest and greatest in this super timely > >>>>> manner? (To be honest this is not a rhetorical question, > >>>>> but my guess is "no.") > >>>>> > >>>>> In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary > >>>>> user? Or is it us port maintainers who wish they could get > >>>>> their more recent PR's accepted? > >>>>> > >>>>> Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have > >>>>> information that things could be a little more up to date. > >>>>> But if we weren't in the know, then we wouldn't be so > >>>>> upset. > >>>> > >>>> I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports are > >>>> unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always room for > >>>> improvement and the frustrations voiced should be looked as > >>>> an opportunity to improve it instead of us (the complainers) > >>>> crying in our milk. > >>> > >>> I feel that your deflection of the points I made was a little > >>> unfair. My question is - why exactly is there a frustration? > >>> Is it because the FreeBSD community have somehow set > >>> expectations to be "totally up to date" a little too high? Are > >>> we simply expecting more from FreeBSD than we get from Linux > >>> distributions or MS, simply because the average user has > >>> tremendous knowledge and insight into the internal development > >>> process? > >>> > >>> Remember, I'm just an average user, just like you. I have no > >>> special axe to grind in defending FreeBSD. > >> > >> Even though this is best answered in a more systematic way (an > >> "official" review of the entire problem set) here are my reasons > >> for being frustrated: > >> > >> 1. There as has been some work that I am aware on ports I use > >> that has not bean released during the freeze for various reasons > >> (such as miro and qemu patchs [enable the use of physical drives > >> and run vista without crashing]). None of them are pressing > >> enough for me to bypass the ports system because everytime you do > >> so you complicate upgrading (have fun keeping track of what you > >> installed from ports and what came from vendor tar's) > >> > >> 2. As a developer I have 3 ports I would like to release ;-) > > > > But this agrees with my original assertion - that the frustration > > is from the port maintainers and originators, rather than the port > > users. > > Actually item 1 is more important to me then item 2. > > > What solution would you propose. The only one I can think of is > > that we have a ports-stable and a ports-current. But I can see > > many people not liking this idea. > > An other solution (and one suggested by Huffman) is create a matrix of > what stuff has been tested against and on a port by port basis I can > set a tested vs. untested flag for what set of depenancies to use. > This is not much different then your idea just more fined grained. This is rather akin to my suggiestion made earlier today: which read: ***************** " How about maintaining the port tree as usual during the pre release period. By default all releases in the tree prior to a selected date should incorporate a release dependency in their makefile that would NOT include the pending future release. As each port is tested against the new release its release depency would be changed and upgardes could continue to be added to the tree as normal. This would mean the majority are not being inconvenienced by the needs of a tiny minority to artifically hasten changes to ports to ensure they are compatible with the new release. At the moment the tail is wagging the dog and it is becoming less and less acceptable that we should continue to operate in way that many may feel is somewhat quaint but seems IMHO to be increasingly arcane and out of touch with the needs of most users. " ************** I think we are on similar tracks. Unless we get somnething like this we are going to face increasing difficulrties as time goes on. The number of ports will continue to increase and as the length of the freeze will therefore tend to increase proportionally (if not exponentially). The balance needs shifting and a method that does not demand a freeze is now IMHO essential. David From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:28:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC8AD16A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C49F13C455 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:28:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5771597pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:28:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WRZbCI4iyzD+IzUvpLHgJD5QPfxJEty9Kq+WfhG+MDA=; b=YFhjrSRrwlF89FYEIwik3IoGDJuFkF3T+/U1AkhwW3Y8wYN71M2CHFlDXNT4mUT4s44sj4nVBHjDia32DNkE4nQvium5U0gOl+/ewVbHcaAXz36erTc7Yzcikt5lsj4WF3VwhIvh9f6/6wgUmzLvvnRHqqV3hzD0c4e2Q22oYF0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=b3Odj7tLdQrP0hvaV3r4hT2KXLib+GYiFQCQZeKRkPvs2bIWAHHTsDommEzHurSlv14JzGuWl4Fi9tcNhOg+H0ERCwFkg4L2DqQDz8e4VkzUQGCzv6uvwKmCUMaLZ3FCSb/6orpAUbNE17YhDQBtT8z+FWsjvyrHPdvrPbkBEO8= Received: by 10.64.156.2 with SMTP id d2mr5952243qbe.1196530110990; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:28:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a5sm5613947qbd.2007.12.01.09.28.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 09:28:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475199BD.8080900@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:28:29 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <47519484.6000408@gmail.com> <200712010940.32888.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200712010940.32888.david@vizion2000.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:28:33 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > > The balance needs shifting and a method that does not demand a > freeze is now IMHO essential. I might be wrong in this but much of the freeze seems to be due to incomplete information being maintained on the interaction of different ports.... for example in a discussion of why xorg is so bloated I pointed out: 1. xorg-server does a very bad job on fonts dependicies (it installs almost no fonts) 2. many xorg-apps assume they are being installed as a part of the metaport and do not sufficently check their own dependicies. 3. xorg and other long tool chains show some major weaknesses in the ports system: a. Inconsitent overridding or lack there of the config target (ports(8)) b. Due to bad management of the dependancy DAG you are forced to use meta ports c. Due to c there is much less orthangonality then there should be between ports - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUZm9358R5LPuPvsRAi5LAKC9HNshy4ks+V4x17BGsGO7zxclFACgzGXh +Za6TySqWsQvYOnif4/A1P4= =8tEt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:31:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC1F16A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:31:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2CBD13C43E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 906071CC4F; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:48:34 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: Erik Trulsson Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:48:34 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201164841.GA34390@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20071201164841.GA34390@owl.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:31:46 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 08:48:41 Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 07:49:00AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > > On Saturday 01 December 2007 05:58:21 Thierry Thomas wrote: > > > On Sat 1 dec 07 at 14:25:08 +0100, Erik Trulsson > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > The ports freeze is intended to make sure the ports tree is in a > > > > stable and well tested state for the release. Updating major ports > > > > always carry a great risk of breaking things thus defeating the point > > > > of the freeze. > > > > > > Anyway, if the freeze is too long, and if the new version is released > > > several weeks after the thaw, very few will install these packages: > > > a lot of updates will be committed, and many users will update their > > > ports tree to install the new versions. This is very difficult to find > > > a good compromise! > > > > I do not think we need a compromise we need a different system. We need > > one that preserves continuity of support for existing systems while the > > new releases are testedin a way that does not adversely impact them. The > > priority needs to be the current user base not a desire to rush a new > > release out the door at all costs. > > Considering that FreeBSD releases almost always get delayed by several > weeks compared to the original schedule I think it is safe to say that "a > desire to rush a new release out the door at all costs" is something that > the FreeBSD project certainly does not suffer from. I believe this to be head in the sand logic.IMHO It is rushing it out the door at all costs if the cost is a port freeze!!! A port freeze is the most user unfriendly act that one could think of! > > Now it may be that due to the ports freeze, there will be some ports whose > upgrade will be delayed for a couple of weeks (not to be confused with > those ports whose upgrade gets delayed for other reasons.) > I do not consider this to be a major problem. > > I think you vastly overestimate the need for the ports tree to always have > the latest versions of all softwares contained therein. The ports system and new release development systems need to move seemlessly not interfere with one another. This means a rethink of the fundamental assumptions that drive current policies and practice. > > In those very rare cases where a user just cannot wait 2-3 weeks extra for > an upgrade, they can always try to build the software themselves outside > the ports system. I regard this view as developer centric rather than user centric. As I have said elsewhere the ports system is freebsd msp and users are not naturally comnfortable with building outside the ports system. If they were we would not need the system!!! I From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 16:51:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B88216A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avi_rot@hotmail.com) Received: from blu139-omc2-s10.blu139.hotmail.com (blu139-omc2-s10.blu139.hotmail.com [65.55.175.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53A9513C442 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avi_rot@hotmail.com) Received: from BLU115-W35 ([65.55.162.186]) by blu139-omc2-s10.blu139.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 08:51:03 -0800 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [213.8.55.153] From: avi rot To: Gergely CZUCZY Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:51:03 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20071201164140.GA24248@harmless.hu> References: <20071201164140.GA24248@harmless.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Dec 2007 16:51:03.0714 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C0CA820:01C8343A] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:32:45 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: RE: make search= X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:51:04 -0000 Thank You > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:41:40 +0100> From: phoemix@harmless.hu> To: avi_rot@hotmail.com> CC: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: make search=> > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 03:53:52PM +0000, avi rot wrote:> > Hi> > > > freebsd 6.2> > i try to find amule port with the command "make search name=amule"> > instead i type "make search=emule" , the command run long time until i terminate it.> > my question is what the "make search=emule" command do , and do i need to do something tor reverse it.> it runs "make build" with the variable named "search" st to "emule".> it will build all porst, and install their dependencies.> > man pkg_info> man pkg_delete> > > Sincerely,> > Gergely Czuczy> mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu> > -- > Weenies test. 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It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=create&wx_url=/friends.aspx&mkt=en-us From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:56:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D401E16A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: from smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.198.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A57413C448 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:56:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jekillen@prodigy.net) Received: (qmail 14071 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 17:56:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=prodigy.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:Content-Type:To:From:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=WT1t1Cqx37yBBqrLAhY+QVDN1BeKs0/MfZValZuElj0yxFYjcQzuua8jX8hnpR7Xp+8W/jmSadkBLydfAIwCROSsu+3j+HxLtPvR2x7xsvmFL+LekDyjtjds0yA1EVi11pcIImCRsVbdekL9DdVfYHM2DinOhXM/PFDcJG/pGqs= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?75.7.236.228?) (jekillen@prodigy.net@75.7.236.228 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2007 17:56:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: DZitHYcVM1nOsO3X104z4puwkvJeB2J644tC3EdvhYRyF8Zu5M8TPnYUCvaEaPOW.t9CnhK05A-- Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v622) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: jekillen Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 09:57:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.622) Subject: PHP ClamAV Lib X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:56:36 -0000 Hello: I am looking for PHP ClamAV Lib in ports and I do not know of hand where to find it. I did not find it in /usr/ports/security. And if it exists in ports, what would it be called for a find command? My aim is to use it for scanning files uploaded to web sites in php scripts. I installed ClamAV, Amavisd-new, and Cyrus-sasl-saslauthd from /usr/ports/security. FreeBSD v 6.2 Thanks in advance Jeff K From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 17:56:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BD616A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B923613C459 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:56:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1HugOv016076; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:56:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from localhost (redmail@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lB1HugM1016073; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:56:42 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cauchy.math.missouri.edu: redmail owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:56:42 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-X-Sender: redmail@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: David Southwell In-Reply-To: <200712010940.32888.david@vizion2000.net> Message-ID: <20071201114644.H16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <47519484.6000408@gmail.com> <200712010940.32888.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:56:44 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 09:06:12 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>>>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>>>>>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For some reason, people contributing to this mailing list >>>>>>> are getting frustrated because some of the applications are >>>>>>> now getting to be about a month old. But why should we >>>>>>> expect to have the latest and greatest in version number of >>>>>>> application? It is because this is what we usually have, >>>>>>> and so a periodic hiccup is out of the ordinary and so >>>>>>> frustrates us. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. Do you >>>>>>> also get the latest and greatest in this super timely >>>>>>> manner? (To be honest this is not a rhetorical question, >>>>>>> but my guess is "no.") >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the ordinary >>>>>>> user? Or is it us port maintainers who wish they could get >>>>>>> their more recent PR's accepted? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have >>>>>>> information that things could be a little more up to date. >>>>>>> But if we weren't in the know, then we wouldn't be so >>>>>>> upset. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports are >>>>>> unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always room for >>>>>> improvement and the frustrations voiced should be looked as >>>>>> an opportunity to improve it instead of us (the complainers) >>>>>> crying in our milk. >>>>> >>>>> I feel that your deflection of the points I made was a little >>>>> unfair. My question is - why exactly is there a frustration? >>>>> Is it because the FreeBSD community have somehow set >>>>> expectations to be "totally up to date" a little too high? Are >>>>> we simply expecting more from FreeBSD than we get from Linux >>>>> distributions or MS, simply because the average user has >>>>> tremendous knowledge and insight into the internal development >>>>> process? >>>>> >>>>> Remember, I'm just an average user, just like you. I have no >>>>> special axe to grind in defending FreeBSD. >>>> >>>> Even though this is best answered in a more systematic way (an >>>> "official" review of the entire problem set) here are my reasons >>>> for being frustrated: >>>> >>>> 1. There as has been some work that I am aware on ports I use >>>> that has not bean released during the freeze for various reasons >>>> (such as miro and qemu patchs [enable the use of physical drives >>>> and run vista without crashing]). None of them are pressing >>>> enough for me to bypass the ports system because everytime you do >>>> so you complicate upgrading (have fun keeping track of what you >>>> installed from ports and what came from vendor tar's) >>>> >>>> 2. As a developer I have 3 ports I would like to release ;-) >>> >>> But this agrees with my original assertion - that the frustration >>> is from the port maintainers and originators, rather than the port >>> users. >> >> Actually item 1 is more important to me then item 2. >> >>> What solution would you propose. The only one I can think of is >>> that we have a ports-stable and a ports-current. But I can see >>> many people not liking this idea. >> >> An other solution (and one suggested by Huffman) is create a matrix of >> what stuff has been tested against and on a port by port basis I can >> set a tested vs. untested flag for what set of depenancies to use. >> This is not much different then your idea just more fined grained. > > This is rather akin to my suggiestion made earlier today: > which read: > ***************** > " > How about maintaining the port tree as usual during the pre release period. By > default all releases in the tree prior to a selected date should incorporate > a release dependency in their makefile that would NOT include the pending > future release. > > As each port is tested against the new release its release depency would be > changed and upgardes could continue to be added to the tree as normal. > > This would mean the majority are not being inconvenienced by the needs of a > tiny minority to artifically hasten changes to ports to ensure they are > compatible with the new release. > > At the moment the tail is wagging the dog and it is becoming less and less > acceptable that we should continue to operate in way that many may feel is > somewhat quaint but seems IMHO to be increasingly arcane and out of touch > with the needs of most users. > " > ************** > I think we are on similar tracks. Unless we get somnething like this we are > going to face increasing difficulrties as time goes on. The number of ports > will continue to increase and as the length of the freeze will therefore tend > to increase proportionally (if not exponentially). > > The balance needs shifting and a method that does not demand a freeze is now > IMHO essential. > > David These are all reasonably good suggestions for how to get around the ports freeze. But they will come with a price, namely someone has to implement these changes (which I guess one of you would do), but also someone has to manage these changes and sort out the inevitable problems that will accompany them. In other words, it will be quite a big logistic exercise. Furthermore the FreeBSD project tends to be conservative and resistant to big changes. So what I think you need to do is to really convince others that the port freeze is not just an inconvenience/frustration (and personally I agree with you here), but that it is a major shortcoming with the current system. For example, it is now clear to me that Aryeh is a cutting edge power user. It is understandable that to him that this ports freeze is a major inconvenience, but it is also obvious that he has the technical capabilities to work around it. His voice, and others like him, is not likely to sway the FreeBSD project. It needs a lot more average users who are also complaining. This is why I compare FreeBSD with other OS's and their distributions, and ask the question - is this frustration there simply because we know so much about the inner decision making as to why there is a ports freeze? So here is another suggestion. Perhaps those who really want the latest and greatest could implement a private ports-current. This would look at all the extant PR's that are wating for the ports freeze to finish, and implement them. Sure it would be a hassle to maintain, and a headache when the freeze is over to put things back. But there is a similar hassle to adopt the proposed schemes for everybody, and it just isn't clear that this is something that would benefit many. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:04:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E521116A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C66F13C45D for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.13.8/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id lB1I41jI022083 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:04:01 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 166 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2112E2377C1 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:04:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 246ED80; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:04:00 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:04:00 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201180400.GA56783@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.166]); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:04:01 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4970/Sat Dec 1 16:44:03 2007 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 4751A211.001 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:04:03 -0000 David Southwell wrote: > > In those very rare cases where a user just cannot wait 2-3 weeks extra > > for > > an upgrade, they can always try to build the software themselves > > outside > > the ports system. > > I regard this view as developer centric rather than user centric. As I > have said elsewhere the ports system is freebsd msp and users are not > naturally comnfortable with building outside the ports system. If they > were we would not need the system!!! I beg to offer a radically different opinion. I don't want to compile the ports, i want the packages, that i will install with pkg_add -r, and i want them immediately with the new FreeBSD-7, not 3 months later. Having them 3 months later would be extremely user unfriendly, to the point that i would delay using FreeBSD-7 by 3 months, at least. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:20:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BC216A420 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:20:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 078DB13C4EA for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:20:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 4F9321CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:37:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 10:37:45 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071201180400.GA56783@lpthe.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <20071201180400.GA56783@lpthe.jussieu.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712011037.46073.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:20:58 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:04:00 Michel Talon wrote: > David Southwell wrote: > > > In those very rare cases where a user just cannot wait 2-3 weeks extra > > > for > > > an upgrade, they can always try to build the software themselves > > > outside > > > the ports system. > > > > I regard this view as developer centric rather than user centric. As I > > have said elsewhere the ports system is freebsd msp and users are not > > naturally comnfortable with building outside the ports system. If they > > were we would not need the system!!! > > I beg to offer a radically different opinion. I don't want to compile > the ports, i want the packages, that i will install with pkg_add -r, > and i want them immediately with the new FreeBSD-7, not 3 months later. > Having them 3 months later would be extremely user unfriendly, to the > point that i would delay using FreeBSD-7 by 3 months, at least. But the chances are that freebsd-7 would be better becasue the extra 2 months would give more feedback and urgent if not almost immediate needs for 7.1 might be delayed. The need to terminate the freeze has the effect of compressing available time for fine tuning. My two pennorth. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:28:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD50316A468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:28:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5056F13C465 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:28:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5796217pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:28:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/th1o3I9jfn3uXtN94XM3z0iVxZO5iAo0OFn6SHLPUw=; b=NlvotGh64aRijRaUyIz3/BNIseoqf8Fv4ol2NHtihXQrxWEP9BkmRCBoOmxPy4kfIm3uBcrsodfOfyTr+0rifBn5r4R57AoO84tO1cLRwcBw0Hx5iKuc+tR/EGrB5NmCANCvyxjANNMe2Cc7Cf/f3N7F6pPWd2nfPt4TdB3GdVs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Dr/WwoSKkiU5b3xr4yLIRx6qbj7pQ4Eh7eH7tDnmNTjIZnaA49fM0q2UrUqV85JhohGKH/Gu1IQGA8qEFvUdtbIPzOnSAHXdw2d9sAcdpY9l8oxoFw+vHDOyK51HXMSSW/PYcAK/ajcv/ZcZoMlOJIwukgOSMOZPf963ahMqReo= Received: by 10.65.155.19 with SMTP id h19mr11701621qbo.1196533683354; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:28:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm2488075qbq.2007.12.01.10.28.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:28:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751A7B1.6030409@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:28:01 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <47519484.6000408@gmail.com> <200712010940.32888.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201114644.H16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071201114644.H16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:28:05 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: > >> On Saturday 01 December 2007 09:06:12 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>> >>>>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>>>>> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For some reason, people contributing to this mailing >>>>>>>> list are getting frustrated because some of the >>>>>>>> applications are now getting to be about a month old. >>>>>>>> But why should we expect to have the latest and >>>>>>>> greatest in version number of application? It is >>>>>>>> because this is what we usually have, and so a >>>>>>>> periodic hiccup is out of the ordinary and so >>>>>>>> frustrates us. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But suppose you are running Red Hat Linux instead. >>>>>>>> Do you also get the latest and greatest in this super >>>>>>>> timely manner? (To be honest this is not a >>>>>>>> rhetorical question, but my guess is "no.") >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In fact, who feels this frustration. Is it the >>>>>>>> ordinary user? Or is it us port maintainers who wish >>>>>>>> they could get their more recent PR's accepted? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Surely this frustration is felt by us because we have >>>>>>>> information that things could be a little more up to >>>>>>>> date. But if we weren't in the know, then we wouldn't >>>>>>>> be so upset. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am not suggesting we do a major overhaul before ports >>>>>>> are unfrozen... what I am suggesting is there is always >>>>>>> room for improvement and the frustrations voiced should >>>>>>> be looked as an opportunity to improve it instead of us >>>>>>> (the complainers) crying in our milk. >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel that your deflection of the points I made was a >>>>>> little unfair. My question is - why exactly is there a >>>>>> frustration? Is it because the FreeBSD community have >>>>>> somehow set expectations to be "totally up to date" a >>>>>> little too high? Are we simply expecting more from >>>>>> FreeBSD than we get from Linux distributions or MS, >>>>>> simply because the average user has tremendous knowledge >>>>>> and insight into the internal development process? >>>>>> >>>>>> Remember, I'm just an average user, just like you. I >>>>>> have no special axe to grind in defending FreeBSD. >>>>> >>>>> Even though this is best answered in a more systematic way >>>>> (an "official" review of the entire problem set) here are >>>>> my reasons for being frustrated: >>>>> >>>>> 1. There as has been some work that I am aware on ports I >>>>> use that has not bean released during the freeze for >>>>> various reasons (such as miro and qemu patchs [enable the >>>>> use of physical drives and run vista without crashing]). >>>>> None of them are pressing enough for me to bypass the ports >>>>> system because everytime you do so you complicate upgrading >>>>> (have fun keeping track of what you installed from ports >>>>> and what came from vendor tar's) >>>>> >>>>> 2. As a developer I have 3 ports I would like to release >>>>> ;-) >>>> >>>> But this agrees with my original assertion - that the >>>> frustration is from the port maintainers and originators, >>>> rather than the port users. >>> >>> Actually item 1 is more important to me then item 2. >>> >>>> What solution would you propose. The only one I can think of >>>> is that we have a ports-stable and a ports-current. But I >>>> can see many people not liking this idea. >>> >>> An other solution (and one suggested by Huffman) is create a >>> matrix of what stuff has been tested against and on a port by >>> port basis I can set a tested vs. untested flag for what set of >>> depenancies to use. This is not much different then your idea >>> just more fined grained. >> >> This is rather akin to my suggiestion made earlier today: which >> read: ***************** " How about maintaining the port tree as >> usual during the pre release period. By default all releases in >> the tree prior to a selected date should incorporate a release >> dependency in their makefile that would NOT include the pending >> future release. >> >> As each port is tested against the new release its release >> depency would be changed and upgardes could continue to be added >> to the tree as normal. >> >> This would mean the majority are not being inconvenienced by the >> needs of a tiny minority to artifically hasten changes to ports >> to ensure they are compatible with the new release. >> >> At the moment the tail is wagging the dog and it is becoming less >> and less acceptable that we should continue to operate in way >> that many may feel is somewhat quaint but seems IMHO to be >> increasingly arcane and out of touch with the needs of most >> users. " ************** I think we are on similar tracks. Unless >> we get somnething like this we are going to face increasing >> difficulrties as time goes on. The number of ports will continue >> to increase and as the length of the freeze will therefore tend >> to increase proportionally (if not exponentially). >> >> The balance needs shifting and a method that does not demand a >> freeze is now IMHO essential. >> >> David > > These are all reasonably good suggestions for how to get around the > ports freeze. But they will come with a price, namely someone has > to implement these changes (which I guess one of you would do), > but also someone has to manage these changes and sort out the > inevitable problems that will accompany them. In other words, it > will be quite a big logistic exercise. Furthermore the FreeBSD > project tends to be conservative and resistant to big changes. It is a price either paid up front (like we are suggesting) or paid later when the now barely maintainable ports system finally collapses. My main issue is the lack of good depenancy tracking (leaving it to the preview of each port I think is asking for it in the long run) and some rather inconsistent behaviour between say the following three options: cd /usr/ports/{some metaport} make install portinstall {some metaport} and pkg_add {some metaport} An other side issue is the system needs to allow for greater grainlarity (which is only possible once better dependancy tracking is done). For an idea what I am talking about compare say make to cook and cvs to aegis. > > So what I think you need to do is to really convince others that > the port freeze is not just an inconvenience/frustration (and > personally I agree with you here), but that it is a major > shortcoming with the current system. My arg is the system is starting to show the strain of 15k+ ports with metaports needing to track hundreds of dependancies. > > For example, it is now clear to me that Aryeh is a cutting edge > power user. It is understandable that to him that this ports > freeze is a major inconvenience, but it is also obvious that he has > the technical capabilities to work around it. His voice, and > others like him, is not likely to sway the FreeBSD project. It > needs a lot more average users who are also complaining. The fact that it is inconveint for any given person or wither or not they have the skill to by pass the system doesn't let the system off the hook. > > This is why I compare FreeBSD with other OS's and their > distributions, and ask the question - is this frustration there > simply because we know so much about the inner decision making as > to why there is a ports freeze? And this is no reason not to seek continuous improvement and overhaul of subsystems that are really showing their age. The ports system is essencially unchanged since at least 1995 when I first started using FreeBSD. > > > So here is another suggestion. Perhaps those who really want the > latest and greatest could implement a private ports-current. This > would look at all the extant PR's that are wating for the ports > freeze to finish, and implement them. Sure it would be a hassle to > maintain, and a headache when the freeze is over to put things > back. But there is a similar hassle to adopt the proposed schemes > for everybody, and it just isn't clear that this is something that > would benefit many. The worst of all suggestions on the table.... it creates more work and many more possibilities for inconsitencies then even the current system also how do we reconcile the diffs between how I might fix something and port manager might... I think one look at congress should show this totally fails. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUaew358R5LPuPvsRAuJCAKDNP1p3Ar2ooqEE9Yzz2L+OhSIDBgCeLe9F LGnHduLEXMB4olzLXlcRGwI= =kIB1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:28:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16DE16A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:28:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294B813C46B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:28:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:51270 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyX50-00009u-8w for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:28:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 17362 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 19:28:40 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 1 Dec 2007 19:28:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 35225 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Dec 2007 19:28:40 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:28:40 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010749.01173.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201164841.GA34390@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IyX50-00009u-8w. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1IyX50-00009u-8w d067682cdf55959c2ac253815347f74a Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:28:45 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 09:48:34AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 08:48:41 Erik Trulsson wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 07:49:00AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > > > On Saturday 01 December 2007 05:58:21 Thierry Thomas wrote: > > > > On Sat 1 dec 07 at 14:25:08 +0100, Erik Trulsson > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > The ports freeze is intended to make sure the ports tree is in a > > > > > stable and well tested state for the release. Updating major ports > > > > > always carry a great risk of breaking things thus defeating the point > > > > > of the freeze. > > > > > > > > Anyway, if the freeze is too long, and if the new version is released > > > > several weeks after the thaw, very few will install these packages: > > > > a lot of updates will be committed, and many users will update their > > > > ports tree to install the new versions. This is very difficult to find > > > > a good compromise! > > > > > > I do not think we need a compromise we need a different system. We need > > > one that preserves continuity of support for existing systems while the > > > new releases are testedin a way that does not adversely impact them. The > > > priority needs to be the current user base not a desire to rush a new > > > release out the door at all costs. > > > > > Considering that FreeBSD releases almost always get delayed by several > > weeks compared to the original schedule I think it is safe to say that "a > > desire to rush a new release out the door at all costs" is something that > > the FreeBSD project certainly does not suffer from. > > I believe this to be head in the sand logic.IMHO It is rushing it out the door > at all costs if the cost is a port freeze!!! I do not follow your logic at all. I do not see the rushing part occuring. The ports freeze is a consequence of *not* rushing out the release, but instead pausing and making sure everything is right before making the release. > A port freeze is the most user > unfriendly act that one could think of! Not even close. Having lots of broken ports would be much more user unfriendly. To most users a ports freeze is probably no more than a minor inconvenience, if they even notice it. > > > > Now it may be that due to the ports freeze, there will be some ports whose > > upgrade will be delayed for a couple of weeks (not to be confused with > > those ports whose upgrade gets delayed for other reasons.) > > I do not consider this to be a major problem. > > > > I think you vastly overestimate the need for the ports tree to always have > > the latest versions of all softwares contained therein. > > The ports system and new release development systems need to move seemlessly > not interfere with one another. This means a rethink of the fundamental > assumptions that drive current policies and practice. What "fundamental assumptions" are you thinking of? > > > > In those very rare cases where a user just cannot wait 2-3 weeks extra for > > an upgrade, they can always try to build the software themselves outside > > the ports system. > > I regard this view as developer centric rather than user centric. As I have > said elsewhere the ports system is freebsd msp and users are not naturally > comnfortable with building outside the ports system. If they were we would > not need the system!!! I believe there is only a quite small minority of users who actually *need* to have all the ports updated as quickly as possible. Most of those users are probably sufficiently technically proficient to be able to handle building things outside the ports system. All those users who want to be able to install a new release with accompanying packages and just want it to work 'out of the box' without *having* to upgrade anything are probably better off with the current policies. I don't know, but I suspect those are the majority of ordinary users. Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 18:30:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D951C16A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3250B13C4E3 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk (localhost.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1IUYEV020864; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 18:30:35 GMT (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Message-ID: <4751A84A.2070007@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:30:34 +0000 From: Matthew Seaman Organization: Infracaninophile User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071122) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jekillen References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:::1]); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:30:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4970/Sat Dec 1 15:44:03 2007 on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on happy-idiot-talk.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: PHP ClamAV Lib X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 18:30:40 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 jekillen wrote: > Hello: > I am looking for PHP ClamAV Lib > in ports and I do not know of hand > where to find it. I did not find it in > /usr/ports/security. And if it exists in > ports, what would it be called for a > find command? > My aim is to use it for scanning files > uploaded to web sites in php scripts. > I installed ClamAV, Amavisd-new, > and Cyrus-sasl-saslauthd > from /usr/ports/security. > FreeBSD v 6.2 > Thanks in advance > Jeff K Unfortunately it seems that you are not in luck. There does not appear to be a PHP related ClamAV module in the ports. Apache, Perl or python, yes. PHP, no. happy-idiot-talk:/usr/ports:% make search name=clamav display=name,path Port: p5-Mail-ClamAV-0.20 Path: /usr/ports/mail/p5-Mail-ClamAV Port: clamav-0.91.2_1 Path: /usr/ports/security/clamav Port: clamav-devel-20071011 Path: /usr/ports/security/clamav-devel Port: p5-File-Scan-ClamAV-1.8_1 Path: /usr/ports/security/p5-File-Scan-ClamAV Port: py25-clamav-0.4.0_1 Path: /usr/ports/security/py-clamav Port: mod_clamav-0.21_1 Path: /usr/ports/www/mod_clamav Perhaps you could view this as your chance to contribute something back to the project. Take a gander at the Porter's Handbook -- http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/porters-handbook/index.html and look at some of the proir art already in the ports system and see if you can't put together a pecl-clamav or pear-ClamAV port. Submit it via send-pr so that all can share. Cheers, Matthew - -- Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate Kent, CT11 9PW -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUahK8Mjk52CukIwRCGhQAJ4zey/5RU44g2sYGpSg12GYJeSITACePjOH UQOX7vLvDVuk5nRchPyWBR4= =gW4S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:25:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5EE316A469 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C0F13C465 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:25:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 14FCD8C0A3; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:25:01 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:25:01 -0600 To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20071201192501.GA23749@soaustin.net> References: <20071201180400.GA56783@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <200712011037.46073.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712011037.46073.david@vizion2000.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:25:01 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 10:37:45AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > But the chances are that freebsd-7 would be better becasue the extra 2 months > would give more feedback and urgent if not almost immediate needs for 7.1 > might be delayed. We've already _given_ 7.0 an extra 2 months; fortunately, not all of it was coupled into the ports freeze. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:29:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65CC816A473 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:29:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4039713C46A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:29:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E24318C0A6; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:29:47 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:29:47 -0600 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-ID: <20071201192947.GA25227@soaustin.net> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <47519484.6000408@gmail.com> <200712010940.32888.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201114644.H16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071201114644.H16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:29:48 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 11:56:42AM -0600, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > These are all reasonably good suggestions for how to get around the ports > freeze. But they will come with a price, namely someone has to implement > these changes (which I guess one of you would do) fwiw, one of the pkgsrc committers estimates that it takes around 5 people to handle the work of having a branched tree. > Furthermore the FreeBSD project tends to be conservative and resistant to > big changes. We have such a large install base that we feel we have to be, in some respects. > So what I think you need to do is to really convince others that the port > freeze is not just an inconvenience/frustration (and personally I agree > with you here), but that it is a major shortcoming with the current > system. No one will argue that it's not an inconvenience and a frustration -- and, fwiw, a lot more work for the committers (and portmgr). I'm still not exactly clear on why not having the latest-and-greatest port is such a drawback. Yes, you're losing bugfixes on those in the meantime, but we're catching up on bugfixes on the other ones. Security updates go in in any case. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:31:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03BEF16A46C for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:31:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC04913C442 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:31:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5823392pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:31:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LeAIom/4/FH/8I69D1SOS6lgvD/Aa3pGQafVED9zsnU=; b=ghGrQ4Un5e4pxNaoSFXAdfvcCsQ/GWgQS+9l2cFYZ7mxK7W2mEJixY4GFRze3glTPLxb86ui6J9eFCG1tbsZ4gt1QsBTHsR5joKS4CYDG1zzLPD5sG4Zr8ONTw+HY4faqtLfpryMXxriiUS2ay2nayDaDVuCJENgqJ/x6r4ztQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=iomrE9fOh1dPgchCOzPcVJDVFx89SEnF05P3WdDK/pBTzH3kSzJ0Fis/2xjJBvMNFxvjWyNeg00WRB2Tn3B5hXKiKPrz3M8zsSBtymafGhqvGUcSlN+tad217Li8nMCwkTq63VmiVaexW/z534Qwuyefuohujr40lq5njSR35cE= Received: by 10.65.40.16 with SMTP id s16mr10270747qbj.1196537483247; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:31:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d5sm3116300qbd.2007.12.01.11.31.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:31:22 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751B689.4080904@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:31:21 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon References: <20071201180400.GA56783@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <200712011037.46073.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201192501.GA23749@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20071201192501.GA23749@soaustin.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:31:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 erwin 2007-12-01 19:25:28 UTC FreeBSD doc repository (ports committer) Modified files: en/releases/6.3R schedule.sgml en/releases/7.0R schedule.sgml Log: Announce a new estimate for the end of the ports freeze in 2 weeks time to allow for some late ABI breakage to go into 7.0. Revision Changes Path 1.3 +4 -4 www/en/releases/6.3R/schedule.sgml 1.9 +4 -4 www/en/releases/7.0R/schedule.sgml - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUbaJ358R5LPuPvsRAtmTAKCs7jr+7hN0K6OKe23xrA0e28vMZQCfc3CE 3xlK4T8ucYj0KgsE9glJ/fw= =n3Mv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:32:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1647E16A420 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:32:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9096813C442 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:32:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 775861CC4F; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:49:11 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 11:49:11 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:32:23 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 09:48:34AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > > On Saturday 01 December 2007 08:48:41 Erik Trulsson wrote: > > > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 07:49:00AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > > > > On Saturday 01 December 2007 05:58:21 Thierry Thomas wrote: > > > > > On Sat 1 dec 07 at 14:25:08 +0100, Erik Trulsson > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > The ports freeze is intended to make sure the ports tree is in a > > > > > > stable and well tested state for the release. Updating major > > > > > > ports always carry a great risk of breaking things thus defeating > > > > > > the point of the freeze. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, if the freeze is too long, and if the new version is > > > > > released several weeks after the thaw, very few will install these > > > > > packages: a lot of updates will be committed, and many users will > > > > > update their ports tree to install the new versions. This is very > > > > > difficult to find a good compromise! > > > > > > > > I do not think we need a compromise we need a different system. We > > > > need one that preserves continuity of support for existing systems > > > > while the new releases are testedin a way that does not adversely > > > > impact them. The priority needs to be the current user base not a > > > > desire to rush a new release out the door at all costs. > > > > > > Considering that FreeBSD releases almost always get delayed by several > > > weeks compared to the original schedule I think it is safe to say that > > > "a desire to rush a new release out the door at all costs" is something > > > that the FreeBSD project certainly does not suffer from. > > > > I believe this to be head in the sand logic.IMHO It is rushing it out the > > door at all costs if the cost is a port freeze!!! > > I do not follow your logic at all. I do not see the rushing part occuring. > The ports freeze is a consequence of *not* rushing out the release, but > instead pausing and making sure everything is right before making the > release. > > > A port freeze is the most user > > unfriendly act that one could think of! > > Not even close. Having lots of broken ports would be much more user > unfriendly. To most users a ports freeze is probably no more than a minor > inconvenience, if they even notice it. > > > > Now it may be that due to the ports freeze, there will be some ports > > > whose upgrade will be delayed for a couple of weeks (not to be confused > > > with those ports whose upgrade gets delayed for other reasons.) > > > I do not consider this to be a major problem. > > > > > > I think you vastly overestimate the need for the ports tree to always > > > have the latest versions of all softwares contained therein. > > > > The ports system and new release development systems need to move > > seemlessly not interfere with one another. This means a rethink of the > > fundamental assumptions that drive current policies and practice. > > What "fundamental assumptions" are you thinking of? > > > > In those very rare cases where a user just cannot wait 2-3 weeks extra > > > for an upgrade, they can always try to build the software themselves > > > outside the ports system. > > > > I regard this view as developer centric rather than user centric. As I > > have said elsewhere the ports system is freebsd msp and users are not > > naturally comnfortable with building outside the ports system. If they > > were we would not need the system!!! > > I believe there is only a quite small minority of users who actually *need* > to have all the ports updated as quickly as possible. Most of those users > are probably sufficiently technically proficient to be able to handle > building things outside the ports system. > > All those users who want to be able to install a new release with > accompanying packages and just want it to work 'out of the box' without > *having* to upgrade anything are probably better off with the current > policies. I don't know, but I suspect those are the majority of ordinary > users. This sounds to me like wishful thinking but, more importantly, it seems like a diversion from reality. The real question is why on earth we cannot manage things better so no port freeze is needed!! Its very existence is a real or potential disadvantage to users and a disadvantage that is both illogical and unnecessary. The number to whom it is disadvantageous will vary with circumstance. > > > Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly inconvienced > by any of the ports tree freezes. All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid of a p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you personally. It is disappointing when one hears arguments not to change simply because one particular individual is not disadvantaged by a currently illogical and antiquated solution to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of ports increase. We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! David Southwell From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:42:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352BD16A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F5113C45A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:42:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id A8EDB8C0A3; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:42:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:42:05 -0600 To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20071201194205.GB25227@soaustin.net> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201132251.GA20300@soaustin.net> <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:42:06 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 06:51:58AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > Before I do so let me step outsiide the freebsd environment and ask what our > comments would be if MS$ were to announce that they were about to release an > upgrade to their operating system and until the new upgrade had been released > upgrades to existing applications would be barred. I am sure we would all > agree that that was ridiculous. I would certainly not agree that that's ridiculous; I'll call it an essential part of a QA process to hold changes to a minimum. > What proportion of freebsd users will immediately upgrade to the new > releases?? Maybe 5% or 10% at the most. I think a larger number than that will do so -- for the usual reason that they want the bugfixes that come with that release (especially if those bugs are ones affecting their installation). The answer to most problem reports for bugs fixed in later versions is "upgrade" -- not just FreeBSD, but any software product. Another factor to consider is that during the period between releases, most people will start with FreeBSD by installing the release CD. To the extent that the ports and packages on that CD don't work, we tend to lose new users right there. > How about maintaining the port tree as usual during the pre release period. By > default all releases in the tree prior to a selected date should incorporate > a release dependency in their makefile that would NOT include the pending > future release. > > As each port is tested against the new release its release depency would be > changed and upgrades could continue to be added to the tree as normal. I think you seriously underestimate: the complexity of the dependency trees, the amount of horsepower it takes to build packages (even given that the build cluster "understands" to only build packages for which their port, or a dependent port, has changed in the meantime); how many person-hours it takes to analyze the results of package runs; and the subtle nature of how "innocent" dependency changes can break things. I'll freely admit to not fully understanding #1 and #4, and I think I understand more about them than all but a few people in the project. (I've spent a fair amount of time researching the package status over time to learn more about them.) I know all of this stuff happens in the background and isn't visible to most of the users, but the effort is large nonetheless. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:50:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 056AB16A469 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA86E13C465 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:50:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5831312pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:50:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nJe4wOv6VL2jWVLncHjGJP9y6smKhSZBVtLnqWsYR+A=; b=rK4rOEHhCnXENjW533O4lh+yMtjWQSuwdXB9YYGtsWfGfZjirPMYy4E1IJmLcQxMHmbrRwlXKf60SdXuT5VRvxrVuhR/VDI2zIUx5aYRaIv7kWs1eKQgHzj+7+aK12fB2SPcdWG0MS5h5JZpNZuAnN/LU+EUu3QwD7T/mj+gpjg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XZy3n/XU8gSXFoz0gJVwPSgsTurTb8BbIBhYcoGMVsjXWWWy+XFFqLS+lSTH+puKWWCeZpKil7hDYTUD5y3StQaxuRz1fMKzKLIJ0S/WRA7g00Dq7qnMCwDH3jdYYto4MNB7veSK1LK39LosD6i50EdFiJSc6n3XiMCImRIwgwA= Received: by 10.65.239.14 with SMTP id q14mr18121773qbr.1196538642952; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm5682663qbc.2007.12.01.11.50.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 11:50:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751BB10.9060508@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:50:40 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010308.43873.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201132251.GA20300@soaustin.net> <200712010651.58455.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201194205.GB25227@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20071201194205.GB25227@soaustin.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:50:45 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Linimon wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 06:51:58AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: >> Before I do so let me step outsiide the freebsd environment and >> ask what our comments would be if MS$ were to announce that they >> were about to release an upgrade to their operating system and >> until the new upgrade had been released upgrades to existing >> applications would be barred. I am sure we would all agree that >> that was ridiculous. > > I would certainly not agree that that's ridiculous; I'll call it an > essential part of a QA process to hold changes to a minimum. > >> What proportion of freebsd users will immediately upgrade to the >> new releases?? Maybe 5% or 10% at the most. > > I think a larger number than that will do so -- for the usual > reason that they want the bugfixes that come with that release > (especially if those bugs are ones affecting their installation). > The answer to most problem reports for bugs fixed in later versions > is "upgrade" -- not just FreeBSD, but any software product. > > Another factor to consider is that during the period between > releases, most people will start with FreeBSD by installing the > release CD. To the extent that the ports and packages on that CD > don't work, we tend to lose new users right there. > >> How about maintaining the port tree as usual during the pre >> release period. By default all releases in the tree prior to a >> selected date should incorporate a release dependency in their >> makefile that would NOT include the pending future release. >> >> As each port is tested against the new release its release >> depency would be changed and upgrades could continue to be added >> to the tree as normal. > > I think you seriously underestimate: the complexity of the > dependency trees, the amount of horsepower it takes to build > packages (even given that the build cluster "understands" to only > build packages for which their port, or a dependent port, has > changed in the meantime); how many person-hours it takes to analyze > the results of package runs; and the subtle nature of how > "innocent" dependency changes can break things. I'll freely admit > to not fully understanding #1 and #4, and I think I understand more > about them than all but a few people in the project. (I've spent a > fair amount of time researching the package status over time to > learn more about them.) > > I know all of this stuff happens in the background and isn't > visible to most of the users, but the effort is large nonetheless. Most of the problems you cite are due to an attempt to roughly duplicate the make(1) model of building systems which has been shown to be ill adviced at best for large systems (not to mention multi-project ones).... See http://aegis.sourceforge.net/auug97.pdf Unlike when make(1) was first made there is enough horse power and understanding of graph problems that is possible to consider the entire ports graph at once and do some global decisions based on it (even for indivual ports) - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUbsQ358R5LPuPvsRAulxAJ96JRZOiVJcvr+C4IdZxrSIbv96NwCeJ13i LQ3izjR9Hbv+zkKDb23wsDs= =c+jE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 19:54:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA04816A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67E9D13C459 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 19:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1JseNY017122; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:54:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from localhost (redmail@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lB1JseQw017119; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:54:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cauchy.math.missouri.edu: redmail owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:54:40 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-X-Sender: redmail@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: David Southwell In-Reply-To: <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> Message-ID: <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 19:54:42 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: >> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly inconvienced >> by any of the ports tree freezes. > > All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid of a > p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you personally. It is > disappointing when one hears arguments not to change simply because one > particular individual is not disadvantaged by a currently illogical and > antiquated solution to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of > ports increase. > > We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! I think that you and Aryeh are not getting that it is not just "bully for you." There is a major effort required to change the way we do ports. Even if the current system has some imperfections, you have to persuade the FreeBSD community that the benfits of fixing things are greater than the costs. My personal assessment is that now is NOT the time to grap the nettle. Over time the ports system will acquire more and more problems, until perhaps in ten or twenty years time it will be unusable. Then it will be time to fix it, when we have a clearer picture of what all the problems really are. Or maybe by then things will have happened that make this whole issue moot. I just don't think it is worth the effort to fix this problem now, especially when the benefits will only be to a few power users. Look, its good that you feel the freedom to complain, and advocate for change. But don't get upset when others say they like the status quo. They need to have freedom to say their piece too. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 20:05:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F8916A46E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:05:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF14413C447 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:05:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so55453mue for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:05:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jFn2Euw5imwTHE75ebv1czcnF9YuBL5+mM8XiPbjjRk=; b=ZMTk55qCDUdkQz5SjAmvGx4r1yNCT2eZ1aY3qiq1bb1bMzGHCGOMg2Ak2d1DTSGkYwtAelZoA1GVD6dhBKNji1ZUEi+JghcB9yUaKM24dVbLOR1SGaJX1xR4NLTQUnDqyJrufobEja7SGc9pLrnPfBlfZpn8oi2NDzoTQQCBgLU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qt6XyNsx+dZ3gviYpXipPVOFeEfRUT/glklUkXMyC5XS4+uIjjCa30Zz+HP9SMesXq11Qy+JqCqw1TRcQP9zegpYPhuVJGlWhFAtkL1JHAlUY696JGCQ8wi1nVEo3IZDwpqDUo0Z6jo8elLOskjdWUciKNSWOEvYLbBp54nwu/c= Received: by 10.64.3.9 with SMTP id 9mr2350485qbc.1196539523578; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:05:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e15sm5802086qba.2007.12.01.12.05.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:05:23 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751BE76.1020901@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:05:10 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:05:31 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: > >> On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: >>> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly >>> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. >> >> All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid >> of a p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you >> personally. It is disappointing when one hears arguments not to >> change simply because one particular individual is not >> disadvantaged by a currently illogical and antiquated solution to >> a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of ports >> increase. >> >> We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! > > I think that you and Aryeh are not getting that it is not just > "bully for you." There is a major effort required to change the > way we do ports. Even if the current system has some imperfections, > you have to persuade the FreeBSD community that the benfits of > fixing things are greater than the costs. I never knew I was advocating a specific solution or any change at all.... my only goal is attempt to systematically look at the current issues and see if a new archicture would be worth the time and effort > > My personal assessment is that now is NOT the time to grap the > nettle. Over time the ports system will acquire more and more > problems, until perhaps in ten or twenty years time it will be > unusable. Then it will be time to fix it, when we have a clearer > picture of what all the problems really are. Or maybe by then > things will have happened that make this whole issue moot. I just > don't think it is worth the effort to fix this problem now, > especially when the benefits will only be to a few power users. Without some short of historical failure/incorrect results data it is impossible to know who is right and who is wrong. But the inability to install mega metaports in pieces is pretty good evidence of a problem for me. > > Look, its good that you feel the freedom to complain, and advocate > for change. But don't get upset when others say they like the > status quo. They need to have freedom to say their piece too. Without a serious look at the pros and cons of any possible change it is impossible to know who is right and who is wrong on this issue. So I think some kind of monitoring of system issues may shed light regardless of the implications of the light. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUb52358R5LPuPvsRAhhPAJ42bdbR+G/eCQduIwjkO98YMfjHlACg1N98 mFfHOdVc5NZc12tLzCUo/pg= =j3S5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 20:06:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DE816A468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B28C513C4F3 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:59447 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IyYbK-0004zG-6R for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:06:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 17978 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2007 21:06:04 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 1 Dec 2007 21:06:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 36176 invoked by uid 1001); 1 Dec 2007 21:06:04 +0100 Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:06:04 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20071201200604.GA36099@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1IyYbK-0004zG-6R. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1IyYbK-0004zG-6R 4ca4b6b4979cd8366ad3339c24aee270 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:06:13 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 11:49:11AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: > > > > Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly inconvienced > > by any of the ports tree freezes. > > All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid of a > p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you personally. It is > disappointing when one hears arguments not to change simply because one > particular individual is not disadvantaged by a currently illogical and > antiquated solution to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of > ports increase. I am quite certain that I am not alone or even unusual in not having a problem with the current situation. I believe that for the majority of FreeBSD users the port freezes do not constitue a major problem - or even a problem at all. The current situation apparently constitute a problem for you, which is too bad, but you have failed to convince me that you are representative for more than a very small minority of FreeBSD users - and it is of course not possible to satisfy everybody. (And it is anyway not me you need to convince, since I have no official standing at all in the FreeBSD project.) As for your earlier claims that the process is developer-centric rather than user-centric, I would say that claim is just plain wrong. If anything I would say the code-freezes of both the base system and the ports tree is more inconvenient for the FreeBSD committers and port mainttainers than for the average user. The intent is to make sure each release is in good shape, in the belief that this is what is most important for the average user (from which follows that the state of the ports tree between releases is of somewhat lesser importance.) This belief might of course be wrong, but so far little evidence has been given to contradict it. It is disappointing to hear arguments to change simply because one particular individual is disadvantaged by the current situation, without any regard given to the fact that such a change might actually inconvenience a larger number of people. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 20:15:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE60216A474 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:15:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BC613C448 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:15:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5841774pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:15:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fSm1aQKEefaolH9kWn1GD27ipw6xYQ0coNeTX8PaxI4=; b=bfuUn5EKm5OFI1PTdPbufwEeMmY9w4TifwkfNJUgNzgl95wZ8Kj/Q/jQusCWnaYU6dhsxmXFLyGyCHUmiE8BaffQGxqVZc5riM4BGExrfyFMIAiNQk9liS6plGjkFG5vgxU+0NC7OKMqldXLeVRgwtMpk5ByJKnY6iHPw2jU6d4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=b6FkE4FF5QATTQsYQoLtWbipQ+pV2qOlmdIjaLM5h6LUwujMESjvxeyFmn4Yu/3ArXEfGLnWTxfgTcjD0hcmNcYLnExVXBJdjPHwTFtE4fLKuAzYBr50N3uQNWLRe9ObseA1IvWTDqHmIKqvlJxcYs4K4XcDWbou1uzWzc/RAIM= Received: by 10.65.214.2 with SMTP id r2mr21485506qbq.1196540133426; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:15:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm5744319qbe.2007.12.01.12.15.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 12:15:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751C0DF.3060604@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:15:27 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201200604.GA36099@owl.midgard.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <20071201200604.GA36099@owl.midgard.homeip.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re-engineering the port system (was Re: duration of the ports freeze) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:15:37 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Erik Trulsson wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 11:49:11AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: >> On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: > >>> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly >>> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. >> All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid >> of a p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you >> personally. It is disappointing when one hears arguments not to >> change simply because one particular individual is not >> disadvantaged by a currently illogical and antiquated solution to >> a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of ports >> increase. > > I am quite certain that I am not alone or even unusual in not > having a problem with the current situation. I believe that for > the majority of FreeBSD users the port freezes do not constitue a > major problem - or even a problem at all. First of all I am not in the least inconvenienced by the freeze as a user because I just ask maintainers for yet to be committed ports to send me the needed files. My issue is the lack of longterm scalability of the system (some people say n years away where n>10... I am not convinced we should look at the actual curve before making any guesses). > > The current situation apparently constitute a problem for you, > which is too bad, but you have failed to convince me that you are > representative for more than a very small minority of FreeBSD users > - and it is of course not possible to satisfy everybody. (And it > is anyway not me you need to convince, since I have no official > standing at all in the FreeBSD project.) I don't know about David but there is no issue for me beyond having to wait like everyone else but being involved with large system creation I understand the need. > > As for your earlier claims that the process is developer-centric > rather than user-centric, I would say that claim is just plain > wrong. If anything I would say the code-freezes of both the base > system and the ports tree is more inconvenient for the FreeBSD > committers and port mainttainers than for the average user. The > intent is to make sure each release is in good shape, in the belief > that this is what is most important for the average user (from > which follows that the state of the ports tree between releases is > of somewhat lesser importance.) This belief might of course be > wrong, but so far little evidence has been given to contradict it. Like I said in a different subthread this is a problem that has been addressed theortically for a number of years. > > > It is disappointing to hear arguments to change simply because one > particular individual is disadvantaged by the current situation, > without any regard given to the fact that such a change might > actually inconvenience a larger number of people. > Thats why I changed the subject because it is clear to me at least none of the issues being discussed have anything to do with the current freeze. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUcDf358R5LPuPvsRAhnZAKDnGd6Bn8+iNjPG2kGuMQGi3HmSLQCdGvd9 dCJX+QxW2QCULeOVCF9Hxms= =48q4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 20:21:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C8A16A46C for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CFB13C448 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.141] (may be forged)) by mxout4.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lB1KLPT7009162 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:21:25 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [128.208.5.12] (shiina-1.dyn.cs.washington.edu [128.208.5.12]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lB1KLO7B021199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:21:24 -0800 In-Reply-To: <4751C0DF.3060604@gmail.com> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712010948.34363.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201182840.GA35127@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201200604.GA36099@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <4751C0DF.3060604@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:20:10 -0800 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.1.120347 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re-engineering the port system (was Re: duration of the ports freeze) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:21:26 -0000 On Dec 1, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Erik Trulsson wrote: >> On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 11:49:11AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: >>> On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: >> >>>> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly >>>> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. >>> All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid >>> of a p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you >>> personally. It is disappointing when one hears arguments not to >>> change simply because one particular individual is not >>> disadvantaged by a currently illogical and antiquated solution to >>> a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of ports >>> increase. >> >> I am quite certain that I am not alone or even unusual in not >> having a problem with the current situation. I believe that for >> the majority of FreeBSD users the port freezes do not constitue a >> major problem - or even a problem at all. > > First of all I am not in the least inconvenienced by the freeze as a > user because I just ask maintainers for yet to be committed ports to > send me the needed files. My issue is the lack of longterm > scalability of the system (some people say n years away where n>10... > I am not convinced we should look at the actual curve before making > any guesses). >> >> The current situation apparently constitute a problem for you, >> which is too bad, but you have failed to convince me that you are >> representative for more than a very small minority of FreeBSD users >> - and it is of course not possible to satisfy everybody. (And it >> is anyway not me you need to convince, since I have no official >> standing at all in the FreeBSD project.) > > I don't know about David but there is no issue for me beyond having to > wait like everyone else but being involved with large system creation > I understand the need. >> >> As for your earlier claims that the process is developer-centric >> rather than user-centric, I would say that claim is just plain >> wrong. If anything I would say the code-freezes of both the base >> system and the ports tree is more inconvenient for the FreeBSD >> committers and port mainttainers than for the average user. The >> intent is to make sure each release is in good shape, in the belief >> that this is what is most important for the average user (from >> which follows that the state of the ports tree between releases is >> of somewhat lesser importance.) This belief might of course be >> wrong, but so far little evidence has been given to contradict it. > > Like I said in a different subthread this is a problem that has been > addressed theortically for a number of years. >> >> >> It is disappointing to hear arguments to change simply because one >> particular individual is disadvantaged by the current situation, >> without any regard given to the fact that such a change might >> actually inconvenience a larger number of people. >> > > Thats why I changed the subject because it is clear to me at least > none of the issues being discussed have anything to do with the > current freeze. > > > - -- > Aryeh M. Friedman > FloSoft Systems > Developer, not business, friendly > http://www.flosoft-systems.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHUcDf358R5LPuPvsRAhnZAKDnGd6Bn8+iNjPG2kGuMQGi3HmSLQCdGvd9 > dCJX+QxW2QCULeOVCF9Hxms= > =48q4 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Perhaps a better way to approach these types of freezes is to freeze the tinderbox / build machines for the duration of the release, while the required packages are being made, then resync the servers after all of the packages have been completed. Or (if inconsistency with current release candidate users is an the reason) maybe have a built- in mechanism which would only sync with particular snapshots of the ports tree (or just CVS tag the snapshot accordingly), and provide users with nasty warning messages if they chose to update to a HEAD copy? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 20:38:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16E616A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D8F513C447 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:38:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-20-82.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.20.82]) by mail05.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB1Kc7Nl014503 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:38:08 +1100 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1Kc6jJ076942; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:38:06 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lB1Kc51H076937; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:38:05 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:38:05 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: David Southwell Message-ID: <20071201203805.GQ50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <47518E1C.6090703@gmail.com> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <200712010933.30833.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="aIbcA3MSwnGacr4f" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712010933.30833.david@vizion2000.net> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:38:11 -0000 --aIbcA3MSwnGacr4f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 09:33:30AM -0800, David Southwell wrote: >current. The idea I proposed is that ports have release dependencies and a= s=20 >new releases are being prepared maintainers change the dependencies when t= he=20 >port has been tested and ready for the new release. In other words the=20 >process becomes one of independent migration of capability over time rathe= r=20 >than a mad rush within a freeze. It's not clear to me how this differs from having a branched ports tree. Say X.org 7.4 is released tomorrow with a new set of libraries. What you seem to be suggesting is that it would be committed to the ports tree now but marked "untested". What happens to all the X client ports? Do they get built against the "working" X.org 7.3 or the "untested" X.org 7.4? What if my whizz-bang port has an upgraded version that uses new features in X.org 7.4 - do I commit it or not? >IMHO we need to switch priorities. It does not matter if it takes 3 months= to=20 >have the ports migrated for the new release. I think you have this totally backwards. The underlying OS is a platform upon which users run the applications they need. I doubt that the base OS includes all the required applications in very many (if any) situations. For most users the applications they want to run are ports. Releasing 7.0 with the caveat that (say) the X11 ports do not work with it but we hope to have them available in a couple of months means that no-one will bother installing 7.0 for a couple of months. >It=20 >matters when you cannot test projects using the same version of software t= hat=20 >someone else is using. No-one is stopping you from using whatever version of software you want to use. The FreeBSD project performs QA and integration testing on particular versions of software and makes available package sets that it believes will work together. IMHO, this is more important than having the latest and greatest version for most users. > The current OS capability is less significant to end=20 >users than port capabilities. And for this reason, it's important that OS upgrades come complete with a consistent and reasonably complete set of ports. Given the resources available to build and manage the ports tree, the only realistic approach is to minimise the changes within the ports tree by freezing it. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --aIbcA3MSwnGacr4f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHUcYt/opHv/APuIcRAulDAJ9qJLV5Oazo+xoN0aaLeZjv8MB3cgCdH+Iy HY/skP7PZRopT84hFNIbKjA= =Altn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --aIbcA3MSwnGacr4f-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 20:42:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B92A16A468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:42:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9509213C4CE for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:42:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.13.8/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id lB1Kgk0W097288 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:42:46 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 165 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB972371F9 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:42:45 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 6BB5880; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:42:45 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:42:45 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201204245.GA57218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.165]); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:42:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/4970/Sat Dec 1 16:44:03 2007 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 4751C746.003 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:42:48 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > My main issue is the lack of good depenancy tracking Dependency tracking is a manual operation of the port maintainer. There is no way to automatize it, because there is a lot more in dependencies than shared libraries (which could be tracked automatically). As such it is as good or bad as the port maintainer, and there is no way to change that. You will always encounter ports with huge and irrelevant dependencies, instead of the ideal smallest subset allowing the port to run. > (leaving it to the preview of each port I think is asking for it in > the long run) and some rather inconsistent behaviour between say the > following three options: > > cd /usr/ports/{some metaport} > make install > In my non orthodox opinion, this should be reserved to port developers and similar power users who require maximum flexibility. For casual users flexibility is not required at all and is more a hindrance than a bonus. > portinstall {some metaport} Portupgrade has never worked correctly and will never, for a lot of objective reasons supplementing the implementation choices. > > and > > pkg_add {some metaport} In my opinion, things will be better when people will finally be convinced that binary packages are the way to go, and then use a *good* package management system such as apt-get. A functional upgrade system can be built for packages, but cannot for ports, for obvious reasons. The OpenBSD people have understood that, but now it appears that most FreeBSD people are happy with the source based system, and all the problems going with such a choice. -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 20:54:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A948316A421 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6136813C46A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 20:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0F2A42218825; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:54:57 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <4751CA210000C8AAA679A6@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90CB21B16D3 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:54:57 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A78221880B for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:54:57 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 61729DA; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:54:57 +1100 (EST) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 07:54:57 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201205457.GA42811@k7.mavetju> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <47518E1C.6090703@gmail.com> <20071201105443.K15697@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <200712010933.30833.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201203805.GQ50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071201203805.GQ50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 20:54:59 -0000 On Sun, Dec 02, 2007 at 07:38:05AM +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: > It's not clear to me how this differs from having a branched ports > tree. Say X.org 7.4 is released tomorrow with a new set of libraries. You just won erwin@s ""Haven't they mentioned branching yet?" award. The race for the more generic but not less wanted "But what is portmgr going to do about it?" trophee is still open. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 21:10:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A6A316A41A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:10:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CF2D13C45B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:10:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5864542pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:10:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3igPtDiFix1yyuAmDb4Mq5CPytb1wabipDgxb4T7Yaw=; b=cN8rbfG0KoOMfbAANMdkLIsgATVTJWRKtuebTv7ZZkBOJQVZCV2elYU46AYvYS4cDGbOyYEThQw1ziqSWP0dzuF52teqy3H9LdWlJEssIBeoV6iewlqFOcyz+JSnODOs7ZhE3/fiK05gh/9Jd2aV6+nwabco/CvLxT7K2ABDiqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uV+LGzMWH6W6sL7c000+kwDAyrpcmLHUFGVpi1+VeS6LF1lSEnLINzJ6BhKtmMfvLFb6dHoDurEK89JoaI/iydccPRAXN5pvJPoVsTYQSR9pCwXV0Dh4feCwISLijxhETbBJ3TwJYAfMPyxI2FCsK6QAdj9jelgSGHDzvN6iy8Y= Received: by 10.64.181.12 with SMTP id d12mr21584499qbf.1196543416713; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:10:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm5831751qbe.2007.12.01.13.10.16 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:10:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751CDB6.7040505@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:10:14 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michel Talon References: <20071201204245.GA57218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> In-Reply-To: <20071201204245.GA57218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:10:18 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michel Talon wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> My main issue is the lack of good depenancy tracking > > Dependency tracking is a manual operation of the port maintainer. > There is no way to automatize it, because there is a lot more in > dependencies than shared libraries (which could be tracked > automatically). As such it is as good or bad as the port > maintainer, and there is no way to change that. You will always > encounter ports with huge and irrelevant dependencies, instead of > the ideal smallest subset allowing the port to run. This is due to thinking of the port system as one would of as say make(1) namely a multistage transaction vs. one big atomic transaction. Doing first makes each port responible for most it's knowledge and thus open to inconsistencies and the other makes so the port is nothing but a node in a graph with the edges holding most of the knowledge instead of the nodes. > >> (leaving it to the preview of each port I think is asking for it >> in the long run) and some rather inconsistent behaviour between >> say the following three options: >> >> cd /usr/ports/{some metaport} make install >> > > In my non orthodox opinion, this should be reserved to port > developers and similar power users who require maximum flexibility. > For casual users flexibility is not required at all and is more a > hindrance than a bonus. Is this any reason to make so metaports are the only way for anyone to do anything. Flexibilty != more to manage if done right. > >> portinstall {some metaport} > > Portupgrade has never worked correctly and will never, for a lot of > objective reasons supplementing the implementation choices. If there was a universal way of handling stuff as recommended in Miller97 and most decent algorithm books. > >> and >> >> pkg_add {some metaport} > > In my opinion, things will be better when people will finally be > convinced that binary packages are the way to go, and then use a > *good* package management system such as apt-get. A functional > upgrade system can be built for packages, but cannot for ports, for > obvious reasons. The OpenBSD people have understood that, but now > it appears that most FreeBSD people are happy with the source based > system, and all the problems going with such a choice. This is like NASA saying since we got to the Moon on WWII tech and 4 function calculators that we should continue to use it.... the ports system is basically based on mid 70's software engineering methods (at best more likely late 60's)... is it wrong to ignore the potential benefit of 30 years of collective experience in building large interconnected systems? - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUc22358R5LPuPvsRArA8AJ4v+1HFCYe2xhMOz4ByxvwtI6XmagCcC+Xi mWhz0CEGWv2XutnF56zTl64= =u1IE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 21:27:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2637016A420 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:27:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank_s@bellsouth.net) Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net (fmailhost03.isp.att.net [207.115.11.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D28713C47E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank_s@bellsouth.net) Received: from ace.nina.org (adsl-243-23-160.dab.bellsouth.net[74.243.23.160]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20071201211632H0300i1adpe>; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:16:32 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [74.243.23.160] Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 16:16:31 -0500 (EST) From: Frank X-X-Sender: frank_s@Ace.nina.org To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201160452.G1622@Ace.nina.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Problem re-compiling nvidia-driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:27:10 -0000 I am trying to rebuild nvidia-driver using portupgrade to match a newer kernel and in the Makefile is the statement: # Building with -Werror requires prototype for suser() ${REINPLACE_CMD} -e '15s,^,#include ,' \ ${WRKSRC}/src/nvidia_os.c The error I get during build is: cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -DNV_VERSION_STRING=\"100.14.19\" -D__KERNEL__ -DNVRM -UDEBUG -U_DEBUG -DNDEBUG -O -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/src -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -I@/../include -I/usr/include -finline-limit=8000 -fno-common -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -c nvidia_os.c nvidia_os.c:15:22: sys/priv.h: No such file or directory *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-100.14.19/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-100.14.19. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. ! x11/nvidia-driver (nvidia-driver-100.14.19) (missing header) ---> Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed Yup, that's right, portupgrade! I don't have it. When I try with priv.h copied from another system that has it, I get: cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -DNV_VERSION_STRING=\"100.14.19\" -D__KERNEL__ -DNVRM -UDEBUG -U_DEBUG -DNDEBUG -O -Werror -D_KERNEL -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/src -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -I@/../include -I/usr/include -finline-limit=8000 -fno-common -mno-align-long-strings -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -c nvidia_os.c In file included from nvidia_os.c:15: @/sys/priv.h:473: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'suser' @/sys/systm.h:227: warning: previous declaration of 'suser' was here @/sys/priv.h:474: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'suser_cred' @/sys/systm.h:228: warning: previous declaration of 'suser_cred' was here *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-100.14.19/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-100.14.19. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. ! x11/nvidia-driver (nvidia-driver-100.14.19) (unknown build error) ---> Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed Makefile revision: # $FreeBSD: ports/x11/nvidia-driver/Makefile,v 1.68 2007/11/24 21:55:46 danfe Exp $ uname -a: FreeBSD Ace 6.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE #3: Sat Nov 10 11:55:05 EST 2007 frank_s@Ace:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/Ace i386 What can I do to fix this? Thanks, -- Frank From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 21:55:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB4A16A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:55:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: from web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.243]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 043F113C465 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 21:55:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tim1timau@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 37658 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Dec 2007 21:28:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=LIbU658O+n1coT5CXguKpe5FkYO0t4ZuSg0Z60XzYyZTmVRAFj0gkLRZig+/CaopBEl4wlEU0h8J8DziovKhcU0IsNkJ+Iui34BgC71gEkPQ3CIKBhFys2nBVgbSmd+ylV61Lu1b/3r7CrrtanVrYLxSJmDOM/dlLsKrO8cX4X8=; X-YMail-OSG: BjGaqZwVM1kLwerk4LARoLSvvK3ApReWHUbJ7kZlv4ajRCtb6kZVKC.d5r5C9n7v1zMNlJOCfjDlJshitoefqcHbTt3t.u5FSdKtMM3aDOOA8vxO2RhOlvb49njkMROkScEdwsFQW3XdZjXk8Uhvab3DoA-- Received: from [203.49.197.51] by web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 13:28:59 PST Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Tim Clewlow To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , Andrei Kolu In-Reply-To: <47518479.7070601@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <849419.37015.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xorg meta ports bloated dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 21:55:41 -0000 --- "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Andrei Kolu wrote: > > Saturday 01 December 2007 11:08:28 kirjutas Yuri Pankov: > >> Andrei Kolu wrote: > >>> Saturday 01 December 2007 05:20:40 kirjutas > >>> dexterclarke@safe-mail.net: > >>>> I've just been helping somebody through an installation of > >>>> 6.2-RELEASE and we've noticed the excessive dependencies of > >>>> the xorg meta ports. > >>>> > >>>> xorg-server 1.4, for example, depends on: > >>>> > >>>> dbus-1.0.2_2, dbus-glib-0.74, glib-2.14.2, gnome_subr-1.0, > >>>> hal-0.5.8.20070909 and even strange things like > >>>> cdrtools-2.01_6. > >>>> > >>>> xorg-server 1.2 (the one distributed with the 6.2-RELEASE CD) > >>>> doesn't have these dependencies. > >>>> > >>>> Putting it bluntly: why is this crap being dragged in? > >>>> Neither of us use GNOME or anything that might require dbus. > >>>> I can't see why xorg-server could possibly need any of the > >>>> above? > >>>> > >>>> Anxiously awaiting a flaming argument. > >>> And why xorg should include ugly fonts like adobe* an type1*? > >> Because it IS a *META* port and should install everything that is > >> part of xorg distribution? You are free to install the ports that > >> you need, use WITHOUT_HAL for xorg-server, etc. And there are > >> many people who think that ttf fonts are ugly, and bitmap and > >> type1 fonts are more readable. > >> > > I'd like to see choices in metaport- ncurses based menus with > > packages we really need. It is impossible to install Xorg without > > metaport (anyone have done that at all?)- 300+ separate ports IIRC. > > After removing unnecessary ports (fonts FE) and later you may try > > to upgrade Xorg to newer version then package dependency would be > > broken... > > It is *NOT* the metaport that drags all this stuff in but > xorg-server. I attempted to do slightly disconnected install (worked > relatively well except for when it came to installing something > fancier then a wm) which was install xorg-server the i/o drivers for > my platform and the xorg apps I wanted. > > What I found was: > > 1. xorg-server does a very bad job on fonts dependicies (it installs > almost no fonts) > 2. many xorg-apps assume they are being installed as a part of the > metaport and do not sufficently check their own dependicies. > 3. xorg and other long tool chains show some major weaknesses in the > ports system: > a. Inconsitent overridding or lack there of the config target > (ports(8)) > b. Due to bad management of the dependancy DAG you are forced to > use meta ports > c. Due to c there is much less orthangonality then there should be > between ports > > > > Or how can I tell metaport how to NOT INSTALL some crap I don't > > need. > > 4. On a recent upgrade after updating the ports tree, xorg got upgraded, and wrote over the top of the existing /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc file - not a big problem as I have a number of desktop boxes setup with same xinit file - so I just copied one across - but still annoying - especially if you only have one desktop - which means you will lose any customizations to xinit - would be nice if it first created a backup/saved copy of existing xinit before overwriting it. Cheers, Tim. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 22:15:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 425AD16A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C607D13C447 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:15:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-20-82.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.20.82]) by mail09.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lB1MFZNV025844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:15:35 +1100 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1MFYDD008441; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:15:34 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lB1MFYh7008440; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:15:34 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:15:34 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071201221533.GU50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <20071201204245.GA57218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <4751CDB6.7040505@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="i7KxW38SoMauyveo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4751CDB6.7040505@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:15:38 -0000 --i7KxW38SoMauyveo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 04:10:14PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >This is due to thinking of the port system as one would of as say >make(1) namely a multistage transaction vs. one big atomic >transaction. Doing first makes each port responible for most it's >knowledge and thus open to inconsistencies and the other makes so the >port is nothing but a node in a graph with the edges holding most of >the knowledge instead of the nodes. You continue to complain that the current dependency system is broken but you have yet to provide an alternative. >If there was a universal way of handling stuff as recommended in >Miller97 and most decent algorithm books. You also regularly references to Aegis - again with no explanation as to what problem Aegis would solve and how it would solve it. I recall hearing Peter Miller present his paper at AUUG'97 and I know I was interested enough at the time to install and experiment with Aegis but (for reasons I don't recall any longer), I have since reverted to make. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --i7KxW38SoMauyveo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHUd0F/opHv/APuIcRAoAlAKCmT98WP7cdB3d5iffQJNo3X1zj1QCePwkh 2aUVXgomTUjMQ9TRCabT6BI= =2MgS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --i7KxW38SoMauyveo-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 22:32:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABCBD16A421 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:32:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mezz7@cox.net) Received: from eastrmmtao107.cox.net (eastrmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.240.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B648A13C47E for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:32:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mezz7@cox.net) Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20071201223207.CJOW26079.eastrmmtao107.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net>; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:32:07 -0500 Received: from mezz.mezzweb.com ([24.255.149.218]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id KaXa1Y0014iy4EG0000000; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:31:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:36:55 -0600 To: "Tim Clewlow" From: "Jeremy Messenger" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <849419.37015.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <849419.37015.qm@web50310.mail.re2.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.24 (Linux) Cc: Andrei Kolu , freebsd-x11@freebsd.org, "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Xorg meta ports bloated dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:32:08 -0000 On Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:28:59 -0600, Tim Clewlow wrote: > > --- "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Andrei Kolu wrote: >> > Saturday 01 December 2007 11:08:28 kirjutas Yuri Pankov: >> >> Andrei Kolu wrote: >> >>> Saturday 01 December 2007 05:20:40 kirjutas >> >>> dexterclarke@safe-mail.net: >> >>>> I've just been helping somebody through an installation of >> >>>> 6.2-RELEASE and we've noticed the excessive dependencies of >> >>>> the xorg meta ports. >> >>>> >> >>>> xorg-server 1.4, for example, depends on: >> >>>> >> >>>> dbus-1.0.2_2, dbus-glib-0.74, glib-2.14.2, gnome_subr-1.0, >> >>>> hal-0.5.8.20070909 and even strange things like >> >>>> cdrtools-2.01_6. >> >>>> >> >>>> xorg-server 1.2 (the one distributed with the 6.2-RELEASE CD) >> >>>> doesn't have these dependencies. >> >>>> >> >>>> Putting it bluntly: why is this crap being dragged in? >> >>>> Neither of us use GNOME or anything that might require dbus. >> >>>> I can't see why xorg-server could possibly need any of the >> >>>> above? >> >>>> >> >>>> Anxiously awaiting a flaming argument. >> >>> And why xorg should include ugly fonts like adobe* an type1*? >> >> Because it IS a *META* port and should install everything that is >> >> part of xorg distribution? You are free to install the ports that >> >> you need, use WITHOUT_HAL for xorg-server, etc. And there are >> >> many people who think that ttf fonts are ugly, and bitmap and >> >> type1 fonts are more readable. >> >> >> > I'd like to see choices in metaport- ncurses based menus with >> > packages we really need. It is impossible to install Xorg without >> > metaport (anyone have done that at all?)- 300+ separate ports IIRC. >> > After removing unnecessary ports (fonts FE) and later you may try >> > to upgrade Xorg to newer version then package dependency would be >> > broken... >> >> It is *NOT* the metaport that drags all this stuff in but >> xorg-server. I attempted to do slightly disconnected install (worked >> relatively well except for when it came to installing something >> fancier then a wm) which was install xorg-server the i/o drivers for >> my platform and the xorg apps I wanted. >> >> What I found was: >> >> 1. xorg-server does a very bad job on fonts dependicies (it installs >> almost no fonts) >> 2. many xorg-apps assume they are being installed as a part of the >> metaport and do not sufficently check their own dependicies. >> 3. xorg and other long tool chains show some major weaknesses in the >> ports system: >> a. Inconsitent overridding or lack there of the config target >> (ports(8)) >> b. Due to bad management of the dependancy DAG you are forced to >> use meta ports >> c. Due to c there is much less orthangonality then there should be >> between ports >> > >> > Or how can I tell metaport how to NOT INSTALL some crap I don't >> > need. >> > > > 4. On a recent upgrade after updating the ports tree, xorg got upgraded, > and > wrote over the top of the existing /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc file > - not > a big problem as I have a number of desktop boxes setup with same xinit > file - > so I just copied one across - but still annoying - especially if you > only have > one desktop - which means you will lose any customizations to xinit - > would be > nice if it first created a backup/saved copy of existing xinit before > overwriting it. You can change the env variable of XINITRC, so create something like /etc/X11/xinitrc then have XINITRC set to /etc/X11/xinitrc in somewhere like /etc/profile, /etc/login.conf or else. I haven't try it, but I think it should works. Cheers, Mezz > Cheers, Tim. -- mezz7@cox.net - mezz@FreeBSD.org FreeBSD GNOME Team - FreeBSD Multimedia Hat (ports, not src) http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome/ - gnome@FreeBSD.org http://wiki.freebsd.org/multimedia - multimedia@FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 22:34:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156D16A419 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C1713C46A for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 1F19F1CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:50:58 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712011450.58878.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:34:09 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 11:54:40 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: > > On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: > >> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly > >> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. > > > > All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid of a > > p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you personally. It is > > disappointing when one hears arguments not to change simply because one > > particular individual is not disadvantaged by a currently illogical and > > antiquated solution to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number > > of ports increase. > > > > We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! > > I think that you and Aryeh are not getting that it is not just "bully for > you." There is a major effort required to change the way we do ports. > Even if the current system has some imperfections, you have to persuade > the FreeBSD community that the benfits of fixing things are greater than > the costs. > > My personal assessment is that now is NOT the time to grap the nettle. > Over time the ports system will acquire more and more problems, until > perhaps in ten or twenty years time it will be unusable. Then it will be > time to fix it, when we have a clearer picture of what all the problems > really are. Or maybe by then things will have happened that make this > whole issue moot. I just don't think it is worth the effort to fix this > problem now, especially when the benefits will only be to a few power > users. Just who does not get it!! This reminds me of the presidential "there is no such thing as global warming" response to climate change debate. Wait for twenty years until events force us to fix it and then we will do something. > > Look, its good that you feel the freedom to complain, and advocate for > change. But don't get upset when others say they like the status > quo. They need to have freedom to say their piece too. The issue is about responsibility. Clearly the price of status quo is at minimum inconvenience for many and at worst unacceptable interference for an undefined number. What is wrong with trying to fix it now? Those who advocate change are not trying to get a fix it to make life worse for anyone. There is nothing wrong with change!! > > Stephen > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 22:49:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D14B316A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827D013C46B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:49:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so5907650pyb for ; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:49:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=f9kvbZ0mdtrUpso/WdMon8Sgmr+TlRxkUeggJQyjBXo=; b=j7bkY+cc4BREPMTdIdgV7ADasX7vXgRxPOUSLyDuFgyvSn7sZHlqGnO/2xW42GMxZ3CIk8Bg/3+K0aCIcVqFHGQpnF62VbYUoeVY8jzoyk2BSfaeBsFGlOnSFLhMk8gZcTMzrQU77pQ4GUYFhxXuMEr1+FYLxqWojJPemacjNB4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=DEbm7Ez7siLzTJcMSr+ZFqnTHeFeNrA1ZJix4SKv3ULRfAYYbEb7iUfP2Qk2k0xcTdNM7CLvvJJ3L4eaHcjFOEDsmBfk3t5i2F4HKKvm56EmkXmYQ9slrDKcpzxRVj5QRI9t9iO6+Dx4/j7/XlE3SxPHcE4fvYNSL4uDGUwn6/Y= Received: by 10.64.243.10 with SMTP id q10mr11148775qbh.1196549372903; Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f15sm5907768qba.2007.12.01.14.49.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:49:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751E4F3.9010603@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:49:23 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Jeremy References: <20071201204245.GA57218@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <4751CDB6.7040505@gmail.com> <20071201221533.GU50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20071201221533.GU50167@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:49:34 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Peter Jeremy wrote: > On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 04:10:14PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> This is due to thinking of the port system as one would of as say >> make(1) namely a multistage transaction vs. one big atomic >> transaction. Doing first makes each port responible for most it's >> knowledge and thus open to inconsistencies and the other makes so the >> port is nothing but a node in a graph with the edges holding most of >> the knowledge instead of the nodes. > > You continue to complain that the current dependency system is broken > but you have yet to provide an alternative. Right off the top my head a simple DFS or topo sort with approriate knowledge in the edges would suffice. > >> If there was a universal way of handling stuff as recommended in >> Miller97 and most decent algorithm books. > > You also regularly references to Aegis - again with no explanation as > to what problem Aegis would solve and how it would solve it. I recall > hearing Peter Miller present his paper at AUUG'97 and I know I was > interested enough at the time to install and experiment with Aegis but > (for reasons I don't recall any longer), I have since reverted to make. First of all he was refering to cook not aegis (aegis is his alternative to CVS). I stopped using also because the scripting language is really badlly layed out semantically (basically he tried to get a functional language into the syntax of an imparative one). Other then that it is actual quite good. The altenrative is unlike make which does basically this: select some target check all dependancies on the target recursivally using this algorithm if all depends are uptodate bring the target up to date This has the weaknesses offered in the paper and other large recursive single node graph processors... yes they can solve a maze but only by trial and error instead of attempting essentially an all paths solution before selecting the optimal one (namely a well made cook project guarantees the spanning tree in all cases where make almost guarantees a non-span tree for any non-trivial source tree)... a careful read of Rivest-Korman-et. al. chapter on graphs will show the same conculsion... for a quick and dirty guide on cook read the tutorial I wrote on the cook site (Peter's main site not the aegis one) - -- Aryeh M. 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( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm5940435qba.2007.12.01.14.52.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 01 Dec 2007 14:52:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4751E594.6010105@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:52:04 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071129) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <200712011450.58878.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200712011450.58878.david@vizion2000.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:52:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 11:54:40 Stephen Montgomery-Smith > wrote: >> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: >>> On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: >>>> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly >>>> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. >>> All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get >>> rid of a p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you >>> personally. It is disappointing when one hears arguments not to >>> change simply because one particular individual is not >>> disadvantaged by a currently illogical and antiquated solution >>> to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of ports >>> increase. >>> >>> We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! >> I think that you and Aryeh are not getting that it is not just >> "bully for you." There is a major effort required to change the >> way we do ports. Even if the current system has some >> imperfections, you have to persuade the FreeBSD community that >> the benfits of fixing things are greater than the costs. >> >> My personal assessment is that now is NOT the time to grap the >> nettle. Over time the ports system will acquire more and more >> problems, until perhaps in ten or twenty years time it will be >> unusable. Then it will be time to fix it, when we have a clearer >> picture of what all the problems really are. Or maybe by then >> things will have happened that make this whole issue moot. I >> just don't think it is worth the effort to fix this problem now, >> especially when the benefits will only be to a few power users. > Just who does not get it!! This reminds me of the presidential > "there is no such thing as global warming" response to climate > change debate. Wait for twenty years until events force us to fix > it and then we will do something. >> Look, its good that you feel the freedom to complain, and >> advocate for change. But don't get upset when others say they >> like the status quo. They need to have freedom to say their >> piece too. > The issue is about responsibility. Clearly the price of status quo > is at minimum inconvenience for many and at worst unacceptable > interference for an undefined number. What is wrong with trying to > fix it now? Those who advocate change are not trying to get a fix > it to make life worse for anyone. There is nothing wrong with > change!! > I am willing to put my code where my mouth is if we can get a good percentage of ports into a new system to test the two side by side (say the entire xorg meta port)... note to the skeptics out there this is not meant to replace ports just be a proof of concept for a possible replacement. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems Developer, not business, friendly http://www.flosoft-systems.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHUeWU358R5LPuPvsRAntEAJ9l/uY3QGNaPbSAbV77uY+Il0ETxQCgrS53 E9rNq/iviTAJ2SmuI/QKmnY= =wZf9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 23:05:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B139916A417 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848F013C461 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:05:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1N5dNB018432; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:05:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from localhost (redmail@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lB1N5d3O018429; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:05:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cauchy.math.missouri.edu: redmail owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:05:39 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-X-Sender: redmail@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: David Southwell In-Reply-To: <200712011450.58878.david@vizion2000.net> Message-ID: <20071201165954.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <200712011450.58878.david@vizion2000.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:05:41 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: > On Saturday 01 December 2007 11:54:40 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: >>> On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: >>>> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly >>>> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. >>> >>> All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid of a >>> p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you personally. It is >>> disappointing when one hears arguments not to change simply because one >>> particular individual is not disadvantaged by a currently illogical and >>> antiquated solution to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number >>> of ports increase. >>> >>> We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! >> >> I think that you and Aryeh are not getting that it is not just "bully for >> you." There is a major effort required to change the way we do ports. >> Even if the current system has some imperfections, you have to persuade >> the FreeBSD community that the benfits of fixing things are greater than >> the costs. >> >> My personal assessment is that now is NOT the time to grap the nettle. >> Over time the ports system will acquire more and more problems, until >> perhaps in ten or twenty years time it will be unusable. Then it will be >> time to fix it, when we have a clearer picture of what all the problems >> really are. Or maybe by then things will have happened that make this >> whole issue moot. I just don't think it is worth the effort to fix this >> problem now, especially when the benefits will only be to a few power >> users. > Just who does not get it!! This reminds me of the presidential "there is no > such thing as global warming" response to climate change debate. Wait for > twenty years until events force us to fix it and then we will do something. It's nothing like global warming. Global warming is an ill understood problem, with various estimates ranging from basically not existing to it's too late and we are all doomed anyway, and the potential consequences of not fixing it if it is a problem are widespread and catastrophic. Issues with the ports freeze are very well understood, with consequences of getting it wrong either way being fairly inconsequential, and always something that can be revisited without the whole world going down the tubes. The very worst that can happen is that a marginally used operating system will go down the tubes, and someone will fork the code long before that happens. To compare "ports freeze" to "global warming" is hyperbole in the extreme. >> >> Look, its good that you feel the freedom to complain, and advocate for >> change. But don't get upset when others say they like the status >> quo. They need to have freedom to say their piece too. > The issue is about responsibility. Clearly the price of status quo is at > minimum inconvenience for many and at worst unacceptable interference for an > undefined number. What is wrong with trying to fix it now? Those who advocate > change are not trying to get a fix it to make life worse for anyone. There is > nothing wrong with change!! > >> >> Stephen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 23:06:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0096616A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:06:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C770C13C442 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:06:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lB1N6sNF018448; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:06:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from localhost (redmail@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lB1N6sa2018445; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:06:54 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cauchy.math.missouri.edu: redmail owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 17:06:54 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-X-Sender: redmail@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-Reply-To: <4751E594.6010105@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071201170552.V16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <200712011450.58878.david@vizion2000.net> <4751E594.6010105@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:06:56 -0000 On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > David Southwell wrote: >> On Saturday 01 December 2007 11:54:40 Stephen Montgomery-Smith >> wrote: >>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: >>>> On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: >>>>> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly >>>>> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. >>>> All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get >>>> rid of a p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you >>>> personally. It is disappointing when one hears arguments not to >>>> change simply because one particular individual is not >>>> disadvantaged by a currently illogical and antiquated solution >>>> to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of ports >>>> increase. >>>> >>>> We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! >>> I think that you and Aryeh are not getting that it is not just >>> "bully for you." There is a major effort required to change the >>> way we do ports. Even if the current system has some >>> imperfections, you have to persuade the FreeBSD community that >>> the benfits of fixing things are greater than the costs. >>> >>> My personal assessment is that now is NOT the time to grap the >>> nettle. Over time the ports system will acquire more and more >>> problems, until perhaps in ten or twenty years time it will be >>> unusable. Then it will be time to fix it, when we have a clearer >>> picture of what all the problems really are. Or maybe by then >>> things will have happened that make this whole issue moot. I >>> just don't think it is worth the effort to fix this problem now, >>> especially when the benefits will only be to a few power users. >> Just who does not get it!! This reminds me of the presidential >> "there is no such thing as global warming" response to climate >> change debate. Wait for twenty years until events force us to fix >> it and then we will do something. >>> Look, its good that you feel the freedom to complain, and >>> advocate for change. But don't get upset when others say they >>> like the status quo. They need to have freedom to say their >>> piece too. >> The issue is about responsibility. Clearly the price of status quo >> is at minimum inconvenience for many and at worst unacceptable >> interference for an undefined number. What is wrong with trying to >> fix it now? Those who advocate change are not trying to get a fix >> it to make life worse for anyone. There is nothing wrong with >> change!! >> > > I am willing to put my code where my mouth is if we can get a good > percentage of ports into a new system to test the two side by side > (say the entire xorg meta port)... note to the skeptics out there this > is not meant to replace ports just be a proof of concept for a > possible replacement. > Excellent idea! From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 23:27:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A63016A41B for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu (mxout5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 472E513C468 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:27:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.141] (may be forged)) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lB1NRgNl032085 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:27:42 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [128.208.5.249] (lodovico.cs.washington.edu [128.208.5.249]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lB1NRfiT032382 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:27:42 -0800 Message-ID: <4751EE49.2050900@u.washington.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 15:29:13 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> <200712011450.58878.david@vizion2000.net> <4751E594.6010105@gmail.com> <20071201170552.V16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071201170552.V16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.1.151612 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __STOCK_PHRASE_1 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Cc: David Southwell , "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:27:43 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> David Southwell wrote: >>> On Saturday 01 December 2007 11:54:40 Stephen Montgomery-Smith >>> wrote: >>>> On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: >>>>> On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: >>>>>> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly >>>>>> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. >>>>> All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get >>>>> rid of a p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you >>>>> personally. It is disappointing when one hears arguments not to >>>>> change simply because one particular individual is not >>>>> disadvantaged by a currently illogical and antiquated solution >>>>> to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number of ports >>>>> increase. >>>>> >>>>> We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! >>>> I think that you and Aryeh are not getting that it is not just >>>> "bully for you." There is a major effort required to change the >>>> way we do ports. Even if the current system has some >>>> imperfections, you have to persuade the FreeBSD community that >>>> the benfits of fixing things are greater than the costs. >>>> >>>> My personal assessment is that now is NOT the time to grap the >>>> nettle. Over time the ports system will acquire more and more >>>> problems, until perhaps in ten or twenty years time it will be >>>> unusable. Then it will be time to fix it, when we have a clearer >>>> picture of what all the problems really are. Or maybe by then >>>> things will have happened that make this whole issue moot. I >>>> just don't think it is worth the effort to fix this problem now, >>>> especially when the benefits will only be to a few power users. >>> Just who does not get it!! This reminds me of the presidential >>> "there is no such thing as global warming" response to climate >>> change debate. Wait for twenty years until events force us to fix >>> it and then we will do something. >>>> Look, its good that you feel the freedom to complain, and >>>> advocate for change. But don't get upset when others say they >>>> like the status quo. They need to have freedom to say their >>>> piece too. >>> The issue is about responsibility. Clearly the price of status quo >>> is at minimum inconvenience for many and at worst unacceptable >>> interference for an undefined number. What is wrong with trying to >>> fix it now? Those who advocate change are not trying to get a fix >>> it to make life worse for anyone. There is nothing wrong with >>> change!! >>> >> >> I am willing to put my code where my mouth is if we can get a good >> percentage of ports into a new system to test the two side by side >> (say the entire xorg meta port)... note to the skeptics out there this >> is not meant to replace ports just be a proof of concept for a >> possible replacement. >> > > Excellent idea! Just thought I'd note: I've just restarted my SoC work on pkg_install and will be working into next year, so don't worry about that loose end.. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 23:48:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A7716A418 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henrik@cheat-project.com) Received: from cheat-project.com (cheat-project.com [88.198.56.98]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF7913C465 for ; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 23:48:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from henrik@cheat-project.com) Received: by cheat-project.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 57D124CC001; Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:47:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:47:31 +0100 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071201234731.GA8479@cheat-project.com> References: <20071201160452.G1622@Ace.nina.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071201160452.G1622@Ace.nina.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: henrik@cheat-project.com (Henrik Friedrichsen) Subject: Re: Problem re-compiling nvidia-driver X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 23:48:57 -0000 On Sat, Dec 01, 2007 at 04:16:31PM -0500, Frank wrote: > I am trying to rebuild nvidia-driver using portupgrade to match a newer > kernel and in the Makefile is the statement: > > # Building with -Werror requires prototype for suser() > ${REINPLACE_CMD} -e '15s,^,#include ,' \ > ${WRKSRC}/src/nvidia_os.c > > The error I get during build is: > > cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -DNV_VERSION_STRING=\"100.14.19\" > -D__KERNEL__ -DNVRM -UDEBUG -U_DEBUG -DNDEBUG -O -Werror -D_KERNEL > -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/src -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -I@/../include > -I/usr/include -finline-limit=8000 -fno-common -mno-align-long-strings > -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 > -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs > -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline > -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -c nvidia_os.c > nvidia_os.c:15:22: sys/priv.h: No such file or directory > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in > /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-100.14.19/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-100.14.19. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. > ! x11/nvidia-driver (nvidia-driver-100.14.19) (missing header) > ---> Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed > > Yup, that's right, portupgrade! I don't have it. When I try with priv.h > copied from another system that has it, I get: > > cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -DNV_VERSION_STRING=\"100.14.19\" > -D__KERNEL__ -DNVRM -UDEBUG -U_DEBUG -DNDEBUG -O -Werror -D_KERNEL > -DKLD_MODULE -nostdinc -I- -I/src -I. -I@ -I@/contrib/altq -I@/../include > -I/usr/include -finline-limit=8000 -fno-common -mno-align-long-strings > -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -mno-mmx -mno-3dnow -mno-sse -mno-sse2 > -ffreestanding -Wall -Wredundant-decls -Wnested-externs > -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-prototypes -Wpointer-arith -Winline > -Wcast-qual -fformat-extensions -std=c99 -c nvidia_os.c > In file included from nvidia_os.c:15: > @/sys/priv.h:473: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'suser' > @/sys/systm.h:227: warning: previous declaration of 'suser' was here > @/sys/priv.h:474: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'suser_cred' > @/sys/systm.h:228: warning: previous declaration of 'suser_cred' was here > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in > /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-100.14.19/src. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver/work/NVIDIA-FreeBSD-x86-100.14.19. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/x11/nvidia-driver. > ! x11/nvidia-driver (nvidia-driver-100.14.19) (unknown build > error) > ---> Packages processed: 0 done, 0 ignored, 0 skipped and 1 failed > > Makefile revision: > # $FreeBSD: ports/x11/nvidia-driver/Makefile,v 1.68 2007/11/24 21:55:46 > danfe Exp $ > > uname -a: > FreeBSD Ace 6.3-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 6.3-PRERELEASE #3: Sat Nov 10 11:55:05 > EST 2007 frank_s@Ace:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/Ace i386 > > What can I do to fix this? > > Thanks, > -- > Frank > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I had the same problem, but instead I inserted an empty priv.h. Works like a charm!