From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 9 06:19:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA33516A417 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 06:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A14EF13C45A for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 06:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 10447 invoked by uid 399); 9 Dec 2007 06:19:46 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 9 Dec 2007 06:19:46 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <475B8900.7030908@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 22:19:44 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lockdown References: <47585B4D.2030208@thegeekzone.com> In-Reply-To: <47585B4D.2030208@thegeekzone.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=D5B2F0FB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070207000302020405090606" Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, marcus@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: pidgin-2.2.2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 06:19:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070207000302020405090606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lockdown wrote: > Hello, I was just wondering if you were working on the port for > pidgin-2.3.0. 2.3.1 is already out, and the upgrade is pretty simple. Apply the attached with the --remove-empty-files option to patch. hth, Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection --------------070207000302020405090606 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pidgin-231.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pidgin-231.patch" Index: libpurple/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/ncvs/ports/net-im/libpurple/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.36 diff -u -r1.36 Makefile --- libpurple/Makefile 29 Oct 2007 15:02:02 -0000 1.36 +++ libpurple/Makefile 9 Dec 2007 06:18:03 -0000 @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ # PORTNAME?= libpurple -PORTVERSION= 2.2.2 +PORTVERSION= 2.3.1 PORTREVISION?= 0 CATEGORIES?= net-im MASTER_SITES= ${MASTER_SITE_SOURCEFORGE} Index: libpurple/distinfo =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/ncvs/ports/net-im/libpurple/distinfo,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -r1.15 distinfo --- libpurple/distinfo 29 Oct 2007 15:02:02 -0000 1.15 +++ libpurple/distinfo 9 Dec 2007 06:18:10 -0000 @@ -1,3 +1,3 @@ -MD5 (pidgin-2.2.2.tar.bz2) = 7c8fc5a55959b84c6e4c57a11bc0707a -SHA256 (pidgin-2.2.2.tar.bz2) = 610efaefb869cb9b16ca0bb9b92779c41584f8965988a61a81e593d0510377ac -SIZE (pidgin-2.2.2.tar.bz2) = 8901875 +MD5 (pidgin-2.3.1.tar.bz2) = 0a593c2c343d5b854bd2cd2be7542f40 +SHA256 (pidgin-2.3.1.tar.bz2) = 2d083687734b232c18b9d4500a314cff5ba1a2584350832c9688ecec668eb79e +SIZE (pidgin-2.3.1.tar.bz2) = 9358563 Index: libpurple/files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntmain.c =================================================================== RCS file: libpurple/files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntmain.c diff -N libpurple/files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntmain.c --- libpurple/files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntmain.c 16 Aug 2007 06:29:34 -0000 1.1 +++ /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 @@ -1,11 +0,0 @@ ---- finch/libgnt/gntmain.c.orig 2007-08-16 02:18:26.000000000 -0400 -+++ finch/libgnt/gntmain.c 2007-08-16 02:18:42.000000000 -0400 -@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@ - */ - - #define _GNU_SOURCE --#if defined(__APPLE__) || defined(__unix__) -+#if (defined(__APPLE__) || defined(__unix__)) && !defined(__FreeBSD__) - #define _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED - #endif - Index: libpurple/files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntwm.c =================================================================== RCS file: libpurple/files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntwm.c diff -N libpurple/files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntwm.c --- libpurple/files/patch-finch_libgnt_gntwm.c 16 Aug 2007 06:29:34 -0000 1.1 +++ /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 @@ -1,11 +0,0 @@ ---- finch/libgnt/gntwm.c.orig 2007-08-16 02:19:22.000000000 -0400 -+++ finch/libgnt/gntwm.c 2007-08-16 02:19:38.000000000 -0400 -@@ -21,7 +21,7 @@ - */ - - #define _GNU_SOURCE --#if defined(__APPLE__) || defined(__unix__) -+#if (defined(__APPLE__) || defined(__unix__)) && !defined(__FreeBSD__) - #define _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED - #endif - Index: pidgin/Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /usr/local/ncvs/ports/net-im/pidgin/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.16 diff -u -r1.16 Makefile --- pidgin/Makefile 29 Oct 2007 15:02:03 -0000 1.16 +++ pidgin/Makefile 9 Dec 2007 06:17:42 -0000 @@ -13,7 +13,7 @@ COMMENT= Pidgin multi-protocol messaging client (GTK+ UI) LIB_DEPENDS= startup-notification-1.0:${PORTSDIR}/x11/startup-notification \ - purple.2:${PORTSDIR}/net-im/libpurple + purple.3:${PORTSDIR}/net-im/libpurple MASTERDIR= ${.CURDIR}/../libpurple BUILD_WRKSRC= ${WRKSRC}/pidgin --------------070207000302020405090606-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 9 14:41:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE8E16A419 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andreas.Schwarz@schwarzes.net) Received: from ozelot.schwarzes.net (ozelot.schwarzes.net [62.109.78.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9E2A13C478 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andreas.Schwarz@schwarzes.net) Received: from mosquito.schwarzes.net (mosquito.schwarzes.net [62.109.78.35]) by ozelot.schwarzes.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lB9EMcBo012137 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:22:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Andreas.Schwarz@schwarzes.net) From: Andreas Schwarz To: ports@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:22:32 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.4p1 [MOS/PPC] AmigaOS E-mail Client (c) 2000-2003 by YAM Open Source Team - http://www.yam.ch/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Subject: port: milter-greylist-devel X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:41:01 -0000 Hi, milter-greylist-devel is completely outdated (2.0b1) and older than milter-greylist (3.0), I think it is better to remove it. best regards, Andreas -- PGP: 0x661AB571 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 9 14:41:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C2216A420 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:41:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andreas.Schwarz@schwarzes.net) Received: from ozelot.schwarzes.net (ozelot.schwarzes.net [62.109.78.34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF88413C457 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 14:41:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Andreas.Schwarz@schwarzes.net) Received: from mosquito.schwarzes.net (mosquito.schwarzes.net [62.109.78.35]) by ozelot.schwarzes.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id lB9EP7sN012152 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:25:17 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from Andreas.Schwarz@schwarzes.net) From: Andreas Schwarz To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 15:25:01 +0200 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 2.4p1 [MOS/PPC] AmigaOS E-mail Client (c) 2000-2003 by YAM Open Source Team - http://www.yam.ch/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Subject: port: milter-greylist-devel X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 14:41:02 -0000 Hi, milter-greylist-devel is completely outdated (2.0b1) and older than milter-greylist (3.0), I think it is better to remove it. best regards, Andreas -- PGP: 0x661AB571 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 9 20:58:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B1D16A480 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:58:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA9E13C4D1 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 20:58:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B86592218A9D; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:58:07 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <475C56DF000057E14B8DBB@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8027A21B1775; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:58:07 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15C92218A97; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:58:06 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B4B3812C; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:58:04 +1100 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:58:04 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Andreas Schwarz Message-ID: <20071209205804.GA40969@k7.mavetju> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: port: milter-greylist-devel X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 20:58:09 -0000 On Sun, Dec 09, 2007 at 03:25:01PM +0200, Andreas Schwarz wrote: > milter-greylist-devel is completely outdated (2.0b1) and older than > milter-greylist (3.0), I think it is better to remove it. Or at least sync them for the time being. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Dec 9 21:06:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E56316A418 for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:06:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soeren.schroeder@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F0F13C4DD for ; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:06:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from soeren.schroeder@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so3034484waf for ; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 13:06:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=nfW8aKJaOMDEfk5667IK7M2hBi9y3h32SSiAtOH1y00=; b=lvbDUkU4PHEFLWISlQRH0FtlDVzr4kA3WJAlzXIS5AuQ5/isIETXqEdOMqrWoZMnUSE9BhWc1cd+NseL8vucwcwQDYbhahpYjgxduv9TTNxi3sCQrR4BIxzoDjwZQfqhHkOOKU2rxJ3eOmVHNJlVg2amJVTSghWRlb3l9UbmvyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=ELGgFNSdU0jYAJZHp06ciFSe+N9OOQoBdiR/f7foYZxgqRqamW++txU5fVleqIgut0lj9M4j/Vr1Ei1bhdFIuIa1SDXKUIlsA2bEPII+iKVHOVZSLxvblcs636C66ZcTtXxiKFHKQHpSBCovmL6Ugy8TxIGnDRUDxhlCqanBESM= Received: by 10.114.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr4932707wab.1197232648278; Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.109.20 with HTTP; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:37:28 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 21:37:28 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=F8ren_Schr=F8der?=" Sender: soeren.schroeder@gmail.com To: flz@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9075d275491e1cdd Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: rtorrent-0.7.7 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: sch@chaos.dk List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 21:06:17 -0000 Greeting... I see that you are the maintainer of the libtorrent/rtorrent port. A new stable version: http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/downloads/libtorrent-0.11.9.tar.gz http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/downloads/rtorrent-0.7.9.tar.gz has been released. Compiles like a charm on 6.2-RELEASE with these two enviroments set: OPENSSL_LIBS=3D"-L/usr/lib -ssl -crypto" OPENSSL_CFLAGS=3D"-I/usr/include" Thanks for your great work on the FreeBSD project. /S=F8ren Schr=F8der. Happy FreeBSD user since version 2.0 --=20 S=F8ren Schr=F8der . Obey Gravity - It's the law ! From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 01:35:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397AF16A417 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:35:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7ECF13C43E for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J1XYS-0005iv-CY for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:35:32 +0000 Received: from 81.210.227.230 ([81.210.227.230]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:35:32 +0000 Received: from saper by 81.210.227.230 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:35:32 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Marcin Cieslak Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 02:35:01 +0100 Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.210.227.230 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071205 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 In-Reply-To: Sender: news Subject: Re: (Very) bogus package dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:35:40 -0000 Alex Goncharov wrote: > There has been a point recently made on a `freebsd-' list about > unnecessary dependencies of the `xorg-server' package, it being > dependent on `gnome' and `hal', for example. That's a valid point and > I am with those who don't want this dependency to exist -- but at > least this dependency can be somehow justified. > > But I cannot find any justification for this: HAL and D-Bus are needed to support input device hotplug - new feature of X.org 7.3. http://wiki.x.org/wiki/XInputHotplug http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal cdr-tools may be needed (just my guess) to implement storage interface for various CD media: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/hal/hal/doc/spec/hal-spec.html?view=co&pathrev=HEAD#device-properties-storage-cdrom --Marcin From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 03:31:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B548E16A419 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmclaugh@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from straycat.dhs.org (c-24-60-173-77.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.173.77]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671B413C469 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:31:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tmclaugh@sdf.lonestar.org) Received: from [192.168.1.118] (tomcat.straycat.dhs.org [192.168.1.118]) by straycat.dhs.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBA3Vh9u008623; Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:31:43 -0500 (EST) From: Tom McLaughlin To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: References: <47594FAB.8050804@icyb.net.ua> <47596C80.8030905@icyb.net.ua> <47596EE1.3070606@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:31:42 -0500 Message-Id: <1197257502.9694.3.camel@tomcat.straycat.dhs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.3 (2.10.3-4.fc7) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , Andriy Gapon , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: augmenting a port: request for advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 03:31:45 -0000 On Fri, 2007-12-07 at 15:52 -0800, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > Andriy Gapon wrote: > >> on 07/12/2007 15:50 Andriy Gapon said the following: > >>> So I have this solution worth of Solomon's wisdom :-) > >>> It is to add an option to the port, say with WITH_FUSE. When the > >>> option > >>> is turned on the port would download my sources in addition to the > >>> original sources, then modify the build scripts, patch the original > >>> sources and build an additional program udfclientfs. Updating > >>> plist and > >>> dependencies would also be done, of course. > >> http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=118484 > >> Please comment. > > > > > > Here is an idea. I notice that the extra sources you want to > > download are rather small (about 7000 bytes when zipped). How > > about if you put the sources into the "files" subdirectory of the > > port itself, and then the port doesn't have to download anything > > extra. > > > > So, for example, the portlint port comes complete with full > > sources, adding up to nearly 100,000 bytes in its "files" > > subdirectory. So adding 7000 bytes to a port is going to be small > > by comparison. > > > No dice on that I think. It's artistic license, which means (AFAIK) > that it can't be distributed with the ports tree as it's not BSD > licensed code. > -Garrett The patch itself has a BSD license on it. That said, just because a patch is not BSD licensed doesn't preclude it from living in the ports tree. tom -- | tmclaugh at sdf.lonestar.org tmclaugh at FreeBSD.org | | FreeBSD http://www.FreeBSD.org | From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 11:06:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4A416A468 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C71F13C46A for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:06:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBAB661q072423 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:06:06 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id lBAB65ux072419 for freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:06:05 GMT (envelope-from owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:06:05 GMT Message-Id: <200712101106.lBAB65ux072419@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.freebsd.org: gnats set sender to owner-bugmaster@FreeBSD.org using -f From: FreeBSD bugmaster To: FreeBSD ports list Cc: Subject: Current unassigned ports problem reports X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:06:06 -0000 Current FreeBSD problem reports The following is a listing of current problems submitted by FreeBSD users. These represent problem reports covering all versions including experimental development code and obsolete releases. Bugs can be in one of several states: o - open A problem report has been submitted, no sanity checking performed. a - analyzed The problem is understood and a solution is being sought. f - feedback Further work requires additional information from the originator or the community - possibly confirmation of the effectiveness of a proposed solution. p - patched A patch has been committed, but some issues (MFC and / or confirmation from originator) are still open. r - repocopy The resolution of the problem report is dependent on a repocopy operation within the CVS repository which is awaiting completion. s - suspended The problem is not being worked on, due to lack of information or resources. This is a prime candidate for somebody who is looking for a project to do. If the problem cannot be solved at all, it will be closed, rather than suspended. c - closed A problem report is closed when any changes have been integrated, documented, and tested -- or when fixing the problem is abandoned. Critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f ports/117270 [UPDATE] net/asterisk-addons to 1.4.4 1 problem total. Serious problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- o ports/106369 vpnd caused kernel panic with ppp mode o ports/106372 vpnd can't run with slip mode f ports/108077 www/linux-flashplugin9 crashes linux-firefox f ports/108413 net/vnc does not works. f ports/112385 sysutils/lookupd on Kernel 64 f ports/112921 x11-wm/Beryl not loading focus and keybinding settings f ports/113144 print/ghostscript-gnu dumps core with several output d f ports/115818 Executable clash between databases/grass and ruby gems f ports/116378 xorg 7.3 on -stable breaks math/scilab f ports/116385 net/vnc using vnc.so crashes Xorg 7.3 when remote comp f ports/116586 net/isc-dhcp3-server does not work when compiled with o ports/116611 devel/p5-gearmand - rename to devel/p5-Gearman-Server f ports/116753 multimedia/MPlayer crashes after playing *.flv on 7.0- f ports/116777 The math/scilab port fails in demos->signal->bode. f ports/116778 security/nmap ping-scan misses some hosts f ports/116949 security/vpnc: Some Cisco Concentrators refuse Connect o ports/117025 multimedia/pwcbsd: Pwcbsd-1.4.0 + New USBStack not wor o ports/117119 new port: emulators/dboxfe, a front-end to DosBox conf f ports/117128 security/ipsec-tools racoon.sh fails with /var on mfs o ports/117144 sysutils/nut : ACL with IPv6 address rejected o ports/117145 [PATCH] math/dislin - update to 9.2 f ports/117196 Port net/asterisk-addons 1.4.2 fails to compile f ports/117686 print/fontforge : extract fails when building with NOP o ports/117689 [update] games/ftjava o ports/117792 [new port] - sysutils/kgtk - daemon to use KDE dialogu o ports/117882 mail/prayer needs update f ports/117886 ports: net/nss_ldap 257 size mismatch from source PADL o ports/117942 net/redir: fix core dump on redir f ports/117956 HP LaserJet 1022 not working after upgrade to print/HP f ports/118151 [www/zope29] post-install breaks zope instances f ports/118173 net/gatekeeper port doesn't honor LOCALBASE setting f ports/118337 sysutils/lsof does not work when root mounted on cd966 f ports/118434 [patch] net-mgmt/nrpe2 should enable SSL by default o ports/118462 Update port: net/iscsi-target to version 20071205 34 problems total. Non-critical problems S Tracker Resp. Description -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- f ports/101166 bittorrent-curses only works under English locales. o ports/107354 net/icmpinfo: icmpinfo -vvv does not recocnize any ICM a ports/107447 [patch] devel/sdl12 - Add devel/directfb support f ports/107937 jailed net/isc-dhcp3-server wouldn't run with an immut f ports/111399 print/ghostscript-gpl: ghostscript-gpl WITH_FT_BRIDGE f ports/111456 [UPDATE] finance/pfpro updated distinfo f ports/112887 net/nxserver 1.4.0_1 fails to compile after upgrading f ports/113423 Update for ports net/freenx to version 0.6.0 f ports/114127 net/vnc - vnc.so installed to bad location f ports/114825 pam module security/pam_abl not working s ports/115216 ADA devel/florist exit_process program doesn't compile s ports/115217 Ada devel/florist socket program doesn't compile due t f ports/115304 multimedia/gpac-mp4box cannot import files larger than f ports/115336 port multimedia/avifile on FreeBSD 7.0 not BROKEN with f ports/115401 Update port: graphics/ipe Version 6.0pre28 of Ipe that f ports/115627 www/Lynx (-ssl) does not correctly test for OpenSSL o ports/115654 [UPDATE] devel/sdl12 to 1.2.12 o ports/115656 [UPDATE] graphics/sdl_ttf to 2.0.9 o ports/115657 [UPDATE] net/sdl_net to 1.2.7 o ports/115658 [UPDATE] audio/sdl_mixer to 1.2.8 o ports/115660 [UPDATE] graphics/sdl_image to 1.2.6 f ports/116037 multimedia/dvd-slideshow has been updated from 0.7.5 t f ports/116058 Update: x11-themes/gtk-qt-engine to version 0.8 f ports/116120 [patch] x11-toolkits/gtkdatabox2: update to 0.7.0.1 f ports/116142 devel/cvsweb3 coloured side-by-side stopped working wh f ports/116226 x11-wm/compiz - emerald and compiz-fusion and scim are o ports/116274 New port: lang/nbc NBC is a programming language for t f ports/116323 net-im/jabber-users-agent bugs f ports/116333 math/isabelle fails to build with SML/NJ; requires bas f ports/116422 [patch] devel/kdbg: fix to allow a core file to be ope o ports/116485 games/vultures-eye gets a permission denied after typi f ports/116495 [patch] Adding a banch of semi-official patches to x11 f ports/116567 [PATCH] net/vnc: patch x0vncserver to not give the sel o ports/116683 [NEW PORT] audio/kirocker: KDE Kicker applet for Amaro f ports/116783 databases/db46 can not be built o ports/116817 New port: devel/libreadline-java a JNI-wrapper around o ports/116829 New port: net/isc-dhcp31-(client|devel|relay|server) o ports/116948 [NEW PORT] mail/smfsav: Sendmail Sender Address Valida f ports/116974 net-p2p/azureus fails to operate correctly if IPV6 sup o ports/117003 [MAINTAINER] www/abyssws - Some fixes o ports/117031 multimedia/fxtv: fails in the start in i810e set to 16 o ports/117047 [NEW PORT] sysutils/ispman: ISP management software o ports/117078 [PATCH]: www/* COMMENT, BROKEN, RESTRICTED, NO_PACKAGE f ports/117085 [PATCH] devel/cvs2svn: request update to 2.0.1 f ports/117101 mail/perdition: add rc.d scripts o ports/117115 www/apache-jserv: [PATCH]: portlint cleanups f ports/117164 [PATCH] sysutils/fusefs-wdfs: update to 1.4.2 f ports/117173 graphics/opencv does not compile if ffmpeg option is c o ports/117193 update devel/sdl12 to version 1.2.12 o ports/117218 [patch] audio/sdl_mixer : timidity++ support o ports/117221 update of games/eduke32 f ports/117223 Typo in ports-mgmt/bpm descr f ports/117225 [PATCH] net-p2p/gtkhx: Not BROKEN with GCC 4.2 o ports/117236 New port: x11/xcb-util A module with libxcb/libX11 ext o ports/117249 cannot make deskutils/krss o ports/117253 graphics/xfig and xfig-devel no longer find ghostscrip o ports/117276 New port: security/sqlninja a Sql Server penetration t f ports/117288 [PATCH] x11-wm/compiz: Add in KDE support, clean up pk o ports/117290 New port: archivers/unrar-iconv Extract, view & test R f ports/117298 port (/usr/ports/russian/xneur) update needed o ports/117299 [NEW PORTS] www/webobjects(+) Apple WebObjects ports b o ports/117311 [new port] devel/p5-SNMP-Persist o ports/117312 New port: x11-fonts/ttf-bengali-fonts - Free TrueType o ports/117324 ports devel/sourcenav can't build o ports/117327 devel/devhelp doesn't build with seamonkey f ports/117360 [PATCH]multimedia/gxine: respect CFLAGS o ports/117413 New port: multimedia/gpodder - a GTK2 podcast aggrega o ports/117431 Update port: graphics/ipe Version 6.0pre28 of Ipe that o ports/117457 [MAINTAINER] emulators/dynamips-devel: new release can o ports/117475 [maintainer update] updated net/asterisk-app-notify th o ports/117480 New Port: devel/dev86 -- 8086 Development Tools f ports/117487 [PATCH] net-mgmt/rancid-devel: [SUMMARIZE CHANGES] o ports/117509 [new port] mail/vmailmgr -- A powerful, clean and easy f ports/117518 [PATCH] misc/ipbt - fix BROKEN size mismatch in distin o ports/117519 [maintainer update] lang/sbcl: update to 1.0.11 o ports/117521 [new port] net/asterisk-res-bonjour Bonjour (Zeroconf) o ports/117523 Update port: net/empty - Update from 0.6.9b to current o ports/117533 [maintainer-update][sysutils/bsdadminscripts] latest r o ports/117534 [PATCH]: net-mgmt/netdisco 0.95 patch o ports/117544 [NEW PORT] audio/gnormalize, a Gtk2 frontend to normal o ports/117550 [MAINTAINER] devel/doxygen: update to 1.5.3 o ports/117563 Maintainer update: net/unison minor fixes o ports/117588 New Ports: linux-nerodigitalaudio o ports/117597 [NEW PORT] sysutils/arcconf: Adaptec SCSI RAID adminis o ports/117600 maintainer update: math/liborigin o ports/117608 [Maintainer-update]: devel/sdl12 version update to 1.2 o ports/117609 [Maintainer-update] audio/sdl_mixer version update to o ports/117610 [Maintainer-update] graphics/sdl_image version update o ports/117611 [Maintainer-update]: graphics/sdl_ttf version update t o ports/117612 [Maintainer-Update] graphics/sdl_gfx maintainer overta o ports/117615 New port: devel/tijmp (A simple memory profiler for Ja o ports/117644 New Port: audio/taglookup Tags groups of audio files u o ports/117658 Update port: security/xca o ports/117667 [MAINTAINER] x11-wm/xmonad: add 2 options o ports/117678 [MAINTAINER] print/fontforge: Mark as BROKEN on amd64 o ports/117680 maintainer update of lang/g95 to latest snapshot o ports/117683 climm should provide an optional dependency on gloox o ports/117703 New port: devel/asdlgen generate serializers for C,C++ o ports/117713 Update port: biology/clustalw to 2.0 o ports/117715 [MAINTAINER] textproc/metauml: add a manual and exampl o ports/117721 Update port: textproc/sml-fxp (minor fix) o ports/117740 Update port math/dislin to 9.2 o ports/117761 [PATCH] upgrade of security/ossec-hids-local 1.3 -> 1. o ports/117762 [PATCH]: upgrade of security/ossec-hids-client 1.3 -> o ports/117763 [PATCH]: upgrade of security/ossec-hids-server 1.3 -> o ports/117767 Update port: net-im/openfire update to new version - o o ports/117769 [MAINTAINER] korean/libhangul : update to 0.0.6 o ports/117782 New port: ports-mgmt/pkg_cleanup pkg_rmleaves clone wi f ports/117785 update to ports-mgmt/pkgsearch f ports/117793 [PATCH] sysutils/eroaster - replaced deprecated whrand o ports/117797 [Maintainer-update]: net/sdl_net version update to 1.2 o ports/117806 [update] devel/ta-lib 0.4.0_1 f ports/117809 textproc/qstardict: chase gnome DATADIR move o ports/117814 conflict: graphics/sdl_ttf and x11-fonts/showfont o ports/117816 New port: sysutils/ciso A tool to compress ISO images o ports/117848 [patch] sysutils/areca-cli periodic script o ports/117872 new port addition: devel/Testing_Selenium o ports/117878 print/ghostscript-gnu and print/ghostscript-gpl lacks o ports/117885 Update net/iaxmodem to 0.3.2 o ports/117887 www/adzap : make it also install zapchain, to chain re f ports/117897 [PATCH] net-im/amsn configure script broken f ports/117900 x11-wm/pekwm ports needs to be updated o ports/117912 [patch] chinese/hanzim: Fix segmentation fault caused o ports/117927 [MAINTAINER] emulators/dynamips-devel: Error into DEPE f ports/117939 Update port: net/csocks to version 1.1 o ports/117945 New port: sysutils/metamorphose-1.1 Metamorphose flexi f ports/117957 security/swatch can't stop (doesn't match pid with pro f ports/117959 [PATCH] net-p2p/limewire: fix broken checksum; update o ports/117983 [MAINTAINER] print/fontforge: update to 20071110 o ports/117994 New port: misc/pauker Flashcard learning program o ports/117997 Cleanups to the cad/spice port o ports/118000 [UPDATE] www/mod_fastcgi to 2.4.4 f ports/118018 Core Dump with dns/noip Port f ports/118032 [update] comms/spandsp-devel 0.0.4.p15 o ports/118033 [new port] devel/cvs-devel 1.12.13_8 f ports/118065 Non-correct install man for security/sshguard-ipfw f ports/118092 Installing mail/dbmail breaks installation of mail/mai f ports/118095 update ports-mgmt/pkgsearch to 1.0.4 f ports/118101 typo in www/mod_authz_unixgroup o ports/118103 New port: databases/couchdb A document database server f ports/118105 mail/spamd - spamd-setup with multiple files in spamd- f ports/118112 [PATCH] sysutils/fusefs-kmod: use SRC_BASE o ports/118116 [NEW PORT] print/latex-prettyref: Improved reference f o ports/118125 [PATCH]math/gsl: fix fetch problem when NOPORTDOCS is o ports/118130 Update audio/ventrilo-server to 3.0.0 o ports/118131 Remove x11-themes/gtk-smooth-engine o ports/118138 [Update] Updating multimedia/shell-fm to version 0.4 o ports/118139 [PATCH] port mail/qmail-scanner: Makefile: QS_NOTIFY n f ports/118155 devel/apr: [PATCH]: lang/perl5 is _not_ a RUN_DEPENDS f ports/118177 games/prboom with GL=on fails at configure o ports/118179 [PATCH] print/splix: update to 1.1.0 o ports/118189 New port: games/sdlCC -- An extensible chinese checker o ports/118192 ports/*: [PATCH]: Add 13 SHA256 checksums o ports/118195 [PATCH] www/plone3: update to 3.0.3 f ports/118213 games/HeroesOfMightAndMagic - heroesOfMightAndMagic's o ports/118215 New port: audio/qsynth GUI fluidsynth app o ports/118229 New port: security/fwknop fwknop,"FireWall KNock OPera f ports/118232 A note on multimedia/nuppelvideo + multimedia/exportvi o ports/118235 New ports: comms/xmorse A fully automatic Morse code t f ports/118257 graphics/libfpx fails to comile o ports/118262 [PATCH] Update net-mgmt/netxms to 0.2.19 o ports/118277 New port: www/suphp06 o ports/118288 Update java/sablevm to 1.13 f ports/118293 net/vnc Xvnc won't run without fonts.alias installed o ports/118299 [Maintainer update] net/ldapscripts -> 1.7.2 f ports/118302 [PATCH] net/scamper: update to 20070523h o ports/118307 www/mod_perl2: [PATCH]: fix WITHOUT_APRUTIL_THREADS=ye o ports/118309 New port: devel/libffi-devel f ports/118311 misc/hello: [PATCH]: 2.1.1_2 -> 2.3, install-info clea o ports/118312 Change java/sablevm to build on !i386 f ports/118314 x11-wm/compiz-fusion-plugins-extra doesn't build o ports/118331 [NEW PORT] x11-fonts/indic-ttf f ports/118334 [patch] mail/squirrelmail: loses References: and In-Re f ports/118336 [PATCH] multimedia/xmms: update to 1.2.11 o ports/118344 Cleanups to the graphics/urt port o ports/118356 [UPDATE] sysutils/LDAP-Account-Manager 1.0.4 to 2.1.0 f ports/118358 math/R update from 2.6.0 to 2.6.1 version o ports/118362 Update port: sysutils/p5-Sys-Filesystem o ports/118368 New port: net/asterisk-agx AGX Extra Addons (including o ports/118372 devel/STLport 5.1.4 port. o ports/118375 maintainer update: math/qtiplot o ports/118386 New port: graphics/hugin-devel A GUI for Panorama Tool o ports/118392 [PATCH] devel/doxygen: update to 1.5.4 o ports/118404 maintainer update: audio/kid3 o ports/118406 [x11/nvidia-driver-*xx] nvidia driver port name confli f ports/118410 archivers/libunrar - sync with main sources f ports/118413 update net-im/sim-im-devel to current snap f ports/118416 [PATCH] sysutils/linux-megacli: Fix minor nits o ports/118438 New port: biology/njplot Phylogenetic tree drawing pro f ports/118444 [patch] port update devel/libical f ports/118446 [patch] port update mail/libsieve o ports/118451 [NEW PORT] pydf: a python implementation of df f ports/118456 [Patch] x11/roxterm doesn't match URLs properly o ports/118460 New port: biology/muscle multiple alignment software o ports/118471 New port: devel/pthsem f ports/118482 sysutils/desktopbsd-tools dbsd-pkgmgr doesn't recogniz o ports/118483 New port: editors/xmlcopyeditor: fast validating XML e o ports/118484 [MAINTAINER] sysutils/udfclient: update to 0.5.7 o ports/118489 net/ipa_ip6fw requires ip6fw o ports/118492 [PATCH] lang/gdc: fixed build problem on 8-current-i38 o ports/118498 [MAINTAINER] net-im/gajim: update to 0.11.4 f ports/118504 ports-mgmt/portcheck - Update of website and maintaine o ports/118512 [New port] www/webkit-gtk o ports/118515 [patch] [maintainer-update] textproc/pandoc port - upd f ports/118525 [patch] Update www/jetty to 6.1.6 o ports/118526 [patch] unbroke japanese/onew-freewnn o ports/118529 New port: devel/luajava 207 problems total. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 13:43:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3756A16A41B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [217.20.163.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A6213C442 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E973674400D; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:23 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at falcon.cybervisiontech.com Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SvhQvSM8uD19; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:23 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.2.1.87] (gateway.cybervisiontech.com.ua [88.81.251.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCFC0744004; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:23 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <475D427B.40000@icyb.net.ua> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:43:23 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Cooper References: <47594FAB.8050804@icyb.net.ua> <47596C80.8030905@icyb.net.ua> <47596EE1.3070606@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: augmenting a port: request for advice X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:43:26 -0000 on 08/12/2007 01:52 Garrett Cooper said the following: > On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> Here is an idea. I notice that the extra sources you want to >> download are rather small (about 7000 bytes when zipped). How >> about if you put the sources into the "files" subdirectory of the >> port itself, and then the port doesn't have to download anything >> extra. >> >> So, for example, the portlint port comes complete with full >> sources, adding up to nearly 100,000 bytes in its "files" >> subdirectory. So adding 7000 bytes to a port is going to be small >> by comparison. > > > No dice on that I think. It's artistic license, which means (AFAIK) > that it can't be distributed with the ports tree as it's not BSD > licensed code. Well, actually the file in question in by me and is under 3-clause BSD license. But I am a little bit reluctant to 'pollute' ports tree with C sources that don't have to be there. It's only from philosophical point of view, no technical reasons. -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 14:33:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE1C16A420 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:33:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [217.20.163.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6351C13C448 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:33:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B0E74400E; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:33:21 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at falcon.cybervisiontech.com Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hsppT0n4uoD0; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:33:21 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.2.1.87] (gateway.cybervisiontech.com.ua [88.81.251.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 449E2744009; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:33:21 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <475D4E30.2030403@icyb.net.ua> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:33:20 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcin Cieslak References: <1197264183.00839056.1197250802@10.7.7.3> In-Reply-To: <1197264183.00839056.1197250802@10.7.7.3> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (Very) bogus package dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:33:23 -0000 on 10/12/2007 03:35 Marcin Cieslak said the following: > Alex Goncharov wrote: >> There has been a point recently made on a `freebsd-' list about >> unnecessary dependencies of the `xorg-server' package, it being >> dependent on `gnome' and `hal', for example. That's a valid point and >> I am with those who don't want this dependency to exist -- but at >> least this dependency can be somehow justified. >> >> But I cannot find any justification for this: > > HAL and D-Bus are needed to support input device hotplug - new feature > of X.org 7.3. > > http://wiki.x.org/wiki/XInputHotplug > > http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal > > cdr-tools may be needed (just my guess) to implement storage interface > for various CD media: > > http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/hal/hal/doc/spec/hal-spec.html?view=co&pathrev=HEAD#device-properties-storage-cdrom >From a small research it seems that the only thing needed from cdrtools is isoinfo utility which gets called in FreeBSD-specific code (hald/freebsd/probing/probe-volume.c) like follows: isoinfo -p -i %s And it seems that its only usage is to detect presence of directories named 'VIDEO_TS|VCD|SVCD', so that properties like volume.disc.is_videodvd could be set. Maybe there is a way to write code for this functionality that could be included into hal source code or as a port patch, so that hal doesn't have to depend on cdrtools. -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 16:21:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E2AB16A418 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118D713C45B for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CBB654FD for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:03 -0600 (CST) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:21:03 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <475D4E30.2030403@icyb.net.ua> References: <1197264183.00839056.1197250802@10.7.7.3> <475D4E30.2030403@icyb.net.ua> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: (Very) bogus package dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:21:04 -0000 --On Monday, December 10, 2007 16:33:20 +0200 Andriy Gapon wrote: > >> From a small research it seems that the only thing needed from cdrtools > is isoinfo utility which gets called in FreeBSD-specific code > (hald/freebsd/probing/probe-volume.c) like follows: > isoinfo -p -i %s > And it seems that its only usage is to detect presence of directories > named 'VIDEO_TS|VCD|SVCD', so that properties like > volume.disc.is_videodvd could be set. > > Maybe there is a way to write code for this functionality that could be > included into hal source code or as a port patch, so that hal doesn't > have to depend on cdrtools. While I have no objections to this particular suggestion, my question would be - where do you stop? You could easily do this for hundreds (if not thousands of ports) that depend upon some other port because of one piece of code. In general. port maintainers follow the guidelines of the software developer. If the developer states that the software depends upon cdrtools, then the maintainer is going to include that dependency in the port. Many of us don't have sufficient skill to audit code and determine where a dependency could be replaced by some additional code. So, while this might make sense in isolated cases, I don't think it scales well. Furthermore, modern machines generally have enough disc space that the addition of a few "unused" ports to include necessary code is a small price to pay to distribute the load of providing ports over a larger population of volunteers. (And yes, I know not everyone has a modern machine or large discs to work with.) -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 16:46:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B4B16A418 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:46:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB59413C447 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:46:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBAGkYPH058487; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:46:35 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <475D6D72.9060102@math.missouri.edu> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:46:42 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071203 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <1197264183.00839056.1197250802@10.7.7.3> <475D4E30.2030403@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: (Very) bogus package dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:46:45 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Monday, December 10, 2007 16:33:20 +0200 Andriy Gapon > wrote: >> >>> From a small research it seems that the only thing needed from cdrtools >> is isoinfo utility which gets called in FreeBSD-specific code >> (hald/freebsd/probing/probe-volume.c) like follows: >> isoinfo -p -i %s >> And it seems that its only usage is to detect presence of directories >> named 'VIDEO_TS|VCD|SVCD', so that properties like >> volume.disc.is_videodvd could be set. >> >> Maybe there is a way to write code for this functionality that could be >> included into hal source code or as a port patch, so that hal doesn't >> have to depend on cdrtools. > > While I have no objections to this particular suggestion, my question > would be - where do you stop? You could easily do this for hundreds (if > not thousands of ports) that depend upon some other port because of one > piece of code. > > In general. port maintainers follow the guidelines of the software > developer. If the developer states that the software depends upon > cdrtools, then the maintainer is going to include that dependency in the > port. Many of us don't have sufficient skill to audit code and > determine where a dependency could be replaced by some additional code. > > So, while this might make sense in isolated cases, I don't think it > scales well. Furthermore, modern machines generally have enough disc > space that the addition of a few "unused" ports to include necessary > code is a small price to pay to distribute the load of providing ports > over a larger population of volunteers. (And yes, I know not everyone > has a modern machine or large discs to work with.) I agree. I think that in this case, cdrtools is a legitimate dependency. The fault (if any) lies not with FreeBSD, but either with the writers of hal, or the writers of xorg who made hal a dependency. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 19:10:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1247616A46C for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:10:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.alaskaparadise.com (freebsd.alaskaparadise.com [208.79.80.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEED013C4E7 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:10:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from 137-42-178-69.gci.net (137-42-178-69.gci.net [69.178.42.137]) by freebsd.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A08423835A9; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:10:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Beech Rintoul To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:10:33 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <475D4E30.2030403@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: X-Face: jC2w\k*Q1\0DA2Q0Eh&BrP/Rt2M,^2O#R07VoT98m*>miQF9%Bi9vy`F6cPjwEe?m,)=?utf-8?q?2=0A=09X=3FM=5C=3AOE9QgZ?="xT3/n3,3MJ7N=Cfkmi%f(w^~X"SUxn>; 27NO; C+)g[7J`$G*SN>{<=?utf-8?q?O=3Bg7=7C=0A=09o=7D=265A=5D4?=@7D`=Eb@Zs1Ln814?]|k@'bG=.Ca"[|8+_.OsNAo8!#?4u MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712101010.41652.beech@freebsd.org> Cc: Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: (Very) bogus package dependencies X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Beech Rintoul List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:10:49 -0000 On Monday 10 December 2007, Paul Schmehl said: > --On Monday, December 10, 2007 16:33:20 +0200 Andriy Gapon > > wrote: > >> From a small research it seems that the only thing needed from > >> cdrtools > > > > is isoinfo utility which gets called in FreeBSD-specific code > > (hald/freebsd/probing/probe-volume.c) like follows: > > isoinfo -p -i %s > > And it seems that its only usage is to detect presence of > > directories named 'VIDEO_TS|VCD|SVCD', so that properties like > > volume.disc.is_videodvd could be set. > > > > Maybe there is a way to write code for this functionality that > > could be included into hal source code or as a port patch, so > > that hal doesn't have to depend on cdrtools. > > While I have no objections to this particular suggestion, my > question would be - where do you stop? You could easily do this > for hundreds (if not thousands of ports) that depend upon some > other port because of one piece of code. > > In general. port maintainers follow the guidelines of the software > developer. If the developer states that the software depends upon > cdrtools, then the maintainer is going to include that dependency > in the port. Many of us don't have sufficient skill to audit code > and determine where a dependency could be replaced by some > additional code. > > So, while this might make sense in isolated cases, I don't think it > scales well. Furthermore, modern machines generally have enough > disc space that the addition of a few "unused" ports to include > necessary code is a small price to pay to distribute the load of > providing ports over a larger population of volunteers. (And yes, > I know not everyone has a modern machine or large discs to work > with.) I agree. The ports tree is a moving target. Any time you add custom code to a port it puts you (as maintainer) in the position of being both developer and maintainer. Frequently building a port will pull in dependencies all of which are maintained by different people. We already run into the problem where updating port foo requires port bar be updated first. Fortunately, there is a lot of cooperation by those on the project and it's rarely an issue. However, adding dependent code into the port itself would make this situation an absolute nightmare. Instead of maintaining one port, now you're maintaining two or more (not to mention license issues). We already have ports in the tree which download and extract other ports, but only use a specific piece. These tend to all be from the same master port or family. If disk space is a premium common tools like autotools can be removed after the port is built, but doing that will quickly paint you into a corner where you no longer have the space to build. We have options in ports that frequently determine if a dependency will be built or not depending on choice. It's up to the individual maintainer to include options. Many ports have additional options which can be set (or unset) from the command line. We tend to include the most common options, but that doesn't mean others aren't available. Anyone with interest at this level is strongly encouraged to read the port's Makefile before building and installing. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - beech@FreeBSD.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/6.2R/announce.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 20:45:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDC4916A421 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:45:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihad@mail.ru) Received: from mx4.mail.ru (fallback.mail.ru [194.67.57.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60FCD13C459 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:45:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rihad@mail.ru) Received: from mx27.mail.ru (mx27.mail.ru [194.67.23.23]) by mx4.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id F139F2785A4 for ; Fri, 2 Nov 2007 08:26:56 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [217.25.20.88] (port=25123 helo=[217.25.20.88]) by mx27.mail.ru with esmtp id 1Inp3O-000D4v-00 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:26:46 +0300 Message-ID: <472AB4FE.2060909@mail.ru> From: rihad User-Agent: Icedove 1.5.0.14pre (X11/20071018) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: watching changelogs easily X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:45:07 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 09:26:22 +0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:45:07 -0000 Hi, Is there any centralized way to see what changes were made in the new version of whatever the port is for? I know of freshports.org, but it only lists the port's own changes, not the app's. Thanks. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 20:49:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAC7716A468 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.102.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8727813C469 for ; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:49:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 9798 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2007 20:49:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BDBTSHBfHLVX5m2AlEPyEDee9Ix2lfSVUpwd5+P2X2VSgXZQntEBgst/CNDeBfIBEFuCSBsyY83jAHO5avRsQYj+mr8/BmeWYD13zGCHY3PPfLERCnDrJcZR69hDj5dET16yCuYczUn0OPcYfYm5wrFkZIsDhYm8HHNPY30jX4c= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ssfbsd.securestate.org) (eol1@70.227.5.28 with plain) by smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2007 20:49:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: pdorPYwVM1k8TmcBop26z3zZ4il1IwGwu1cWgVZEE.qH.q9NdZYQoyCIbIE5L_FhgAe3FmgRSw-- Message-ID: <475DA623.70103@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:48:35 -0500 From: Peter Thoenen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Seg Fault: Xchat (on run) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:49:11 -0000 Hello, Not which list to post this to so figured I would start here. The problem I have am is xchat segfaults on me right after I start it. Did not have the problem on 6.2 or 6.3 but doesn't seem to like 7.0-BETA4 ... anybody have any ideas? Cheers, -Peter ERROR: ssfbsd% gdb xchat GNU gdb 6.1.1 [FreeBSD] This GDB was configured as "amd64-marcel-freebsd"... (gdb) run xchat Starting program: /usr/local/bin/xchat xchat [New LWP 100266] [New Thread 0x804201120 (LWP 100266)] Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. [Switching to Thread 0x804201120 (LWP 100266)] 0x0000000803cf5fd8 in amd64_set_fsbase () from /lib/libc.so.7 And this just hang here forever .... From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Dec 10 21:57:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4BD16A420; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE9913C457; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:57:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (thierry@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBALvkcM033874; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:57:46 GMT (envelope-from thierry@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from thierry@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id lBALvk7V033870; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:57:46 GMT (envelope-from thierry) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:57:46 GMT Message-Id: <200712102157.lBALvk7V033870@freefall.freebsd.org> To: supraexpress@globaleyes.net, thierry@FreeBSD.org, thierry@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org From: thierry@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Re: ports/115308: multimedia/jahshaka fails to open GUI - ends with "preferences OK" but nothing happens X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:57:47 -0000 Synopsis: multimedia/jahshaka fails to open GUI - ends with "preferences OK" but nothing happens State-Changed-From-To: closed->open State-Changed-By: thierry State-Changed-When: Lun 10 déc 2007 21:56:03 UTC State-Changed-Why: According to the submitter, the problem is not fixed. Responsible-Changed-From-To: thierry->ports Responsible-Changed-By: thierry Responsible-Changed-When: Lun 10 déc 2007 21:56:03 UTC Responsible-Changed-Why: Back to the pool, because I cannot reproduce the problem. http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=115308 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 00:33:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C2116A418 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:33:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) Received: from ms05.mailstreet2003.net (ms05.mailstreet2003.net [69.25.50.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EDA13C442 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:33:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:36:30 -0500 Message-ID: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA279B7@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: www/mod_python support in apache22? Thread-Index: Acg7jd8NubLkeOpUQQWE6pWS2LaePw== From: "Chris Haulmark" To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: www/mod_python support in apache22? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:33:51 -0000 Hello, =20 I am trying to get devel/subversion and www/trac working on my FreeBSD 6.x system. =20 I ran into problems related to viewing the trac's website. I am using lang/mod_python as part of the requirement along with www/apache22. =20 After I googled, I found off the FreeBSD mailing list that mod_python is not supported for apache22 and that it is shown on the mod_python's home page. =20 I do not see it anywhere. =20 This post was posted in 2005 and here is the link: =20 http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-March/030408.html =20 The description is not clear to me on the mod_python's website. The description is: "Apache 2.0.54 or later. Apache versions 2.0.47 to 2.0.53 may work but have not been tested with this release. (For Apache 1.3.x, use mod_python version 2.7.x)." =20 I am asking that if it has changed and that mod_python is supported to be used with apache22? =20 Chris Haulmark From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 00:38:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6FF16A468 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:38:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) Received: from mail191.messagelabs.com (mail191.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.83]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171D613C448 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:38:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: mbowie@buzmo.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-191.messagelabs.com!1197333531!6383013!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [69.12.11.76] Received: (qmail 9588 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 00:38:52 -0000 Received: from smtp0.dfw.fabriclabs.com (HELO smtp0.dfw.fabriclabs.com) (69.12.11.76) by server-11.tower-191.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 00:38:52 -0000 Received: from [192.168.1.111] (adsl-70-239-151-45.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [70.239.151.45] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp0.dfw.fabriclabs.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBB0c1ii096245; Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:38:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) Message-ID: <475DDC19.4000507@buzmo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:38:49 -0800 From: Mike Bowie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Haulmark References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA279B7@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> In-Reply-To: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA279B7@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/mod_python support in apache22? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:38:53 -0000 Chris Haulmark wrote: > Hello, > > > > I am trying to get devel/subversion and www/trac working on my FreeBSD > 6.x system. > > > > I ran into problems related to viewing the trac's website. I am using > lang/mod_python as part of the > > requirement along with www/apache22. > > > > After I googled, I found off the FreeBSD mailing list that mod_python is > not supported for apache22 > > and that it is shown on the mod_python's home page. > > > > I do not see it anywhere. > > > > This post was posted in 2005 and here is the link: > > > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-March/030408.html > > > > The description is not clear to me on the mod_python's website. The > description is: > > > > "Apache 2.0.54 or later. Apache versions 2.0.47 to 2.0.53 may work but > have not been tested with > > this release. (For Apache 1.3.x, use mod_python version 2.7.x)." > > > > I am asking that if it has changed and that mod_python is supported to > be used with apache22? > > > > Chris Haulmark > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Chris, I believe you will find that www/mod_python3 works very groovily with Apache 2.2. I'm pretty sure I've used it with trac in the past. Cheers, Mike. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 02:08:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB6A16A41B; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Fred.Mirande@paperlinx.com.au) Received: from mail144.messagelabs.com (mail144.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 680A713C43E; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Fred.Mirande@paperlinx.com.au) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: Fred.Mirande@paperlinx.com.au X-Msg-Ref: server-13.tower-144.messagelabs.com!1197337316!12507914!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=paperlinx.com.au,-,- X-Originating-IP: [203.58.182.250] Received: (qmail 964 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 01:41:57 -0000 Received: from mail.paperlinx.com.au (HELO PADCII0001.ppx.local) (203.58.182.250) by server-13.tower-144.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 01:41:57 -0000 Received: from padcex0001.ppx.local (unverified) by PADCII0001.ppx.local (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.9) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:41:27 +1100 Received: from PMVLEX0001.ppx.local ([172.17.4.195]) by padcex0001.ppx.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:41:55 +1100 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:41:54 +1100 Message-ID: <90FE8DD4A0EA0142A1902EEF660A866ADAD6B0@PMVLEX0001.ppx.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FreeBSD Port: galculator-1.3.1_1 Thread-Index: Acg7lwHvNv/a2XeaQt63ACKRehlBog== From: "Fred Mirande" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Dec 2007 01:41:55.0570 (UTC) FILETIME=[02F3ED20:01C83B97] X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: SMEX-7.0.0.1345-5.0.1023-15596.000 X-TM-AS-Result: No--15.505300-8.000000-31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: galculator-1.3.1_1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 02:08:38 -0000 Hi=20Folks, I=20wish=20to=20procure=20a=20fully=20scientific=20calculator. I=20want=20to=20run=20it=20on=20my=20HP=20iPaq=20Pocket=20PC=20hx4700.=20 This=20runs=20on=20the=20=20CE=204.21=20operating=20system. Is=20there=20anything=20that=20is=20available? Thanks,=20Kind=20regards.=20 Fred=20Mirande=20 Project=20Engineer=20-=20Aust.=20Paper=20PMP=20Construction=20Work=20 Transfield=20Services.=20 Phone:=20=20(03)=20=205136=200066=20 Fax:=20=20=20=20=20=20(03)=20=205136=200081=20 Mobile:=20=200418=20423=20568=20 E-mail:=20Fred.Mirande@paperlinx.com.au=20 Web:=20=20=20www.transfieldservices.com.au =20=20 =20 ********************************************************************** CAUTION=20-=20This=20message=20may=20contain=20privileged=20and=20confiden= tial=20information=20intended=20only=20for=20the=20use=20of=20the=20addres= see=20named=20above.=20If=20you=20are=20not=20the=20intended=20recipient=20= of=20this=20message=20you=20are=20hereby=20notified=20that=20any=20use,=20= dissemination,=20distribution=20or=20reproduction=20of=20this=20message=20= is=20prohibited.=20If=20you=20have=20received=20this=20message=20in=20erro= r=20please=20notify=20PaperlinX=20immediately.=20Any=20views=20expressed=20= in=20this=20message=20are=20those=20of=20the=20individual=20sender=20and=20= may=20not=20necessarily=20reflect=20the=20views=20of=20PaperlinX. ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** CAUTION=20-=20This=20message=20may=20contain=20privileged=20and=20confiden= tial=20information=20intended=20only=20for=20the=20use=20of=20the=20addres= see=20named=20above.=20If=20you=20are=20not=20the=20intended=20recipient=20= of=20this=20message=20you=20are=20hereby=20notified=20that=20any=20use,=20= dissemination,=20distribution=20or=20reproduction=20of=20this=20message=20= is=20prohibited.=20If=20you=20have=20received=20this=20message=20in=20erro= r=20please=20notify=20PaperlinX=20immediately.=20Any=20views=20expressed=20= in=20this=20message=20are=20those=20of=20the=20individual=20sender=20and=20= may=20not=20necessarily=20reflect=20the=20views=20of=20PaperlinX. ********************************************************************** From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 04:10:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F8A16A418 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:10:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: from smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg (smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg [203.120.90.31]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4010C13C4D5 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:10:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oceanare@pacific.net.sg) Received: (qmail 21173 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 03:42:32 -0000 Received: from adsl2.dyn234.pacific.net.sg (HELO P2120.somewherefaraway.com) (oceanare@210.24.234.2) by smtpgate1.pacific.net.sg with ESMTPA; 11 Dec 2007 03:42:31 -0000 Message-ID: <475E0721.5050109@pacific.net.sg> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:42:25 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070826) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Mirande References: <90FE8DD4A0EA0142A1902EEF660A866ADAD6B0@PMVLEX0001.ppx.local> In-Reply-To: <90FE8DD4A0EA0142A1902EEF660A866ADAD6B0@PMVLEX0001.ppx.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: naddy@FreeBSD.org, ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: galculator-1.3.1_1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:10:34 -0000 Hi, Fred Mirande wrote: > > I want to run it on my HP iPaq Pocket PC hx4700. > This runs on the CE 4.21 operating system. so, this is Windows. > Is there anything that is available? I do not think that zou will find Windows-Software on a FreeBSD list. Erich From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 09:22:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8359D16A468 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662B813C459 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBB9McKG013600 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:22:38 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBB8nM7u053798 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:49:22 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:49:22 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200712110849.lBB8nM7u053798@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:22:52 -0000 INDEX build failed with errors: Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..pkg_info: not found pkg_info: not found pkg_info: not found echo: write: No space left on device ===> www/trac-pagelist failed *** Error code 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. 1 error Committers on the hook: Most recent CVS update was: From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 09:52:52 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8884816A418 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D19313C457 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:52:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBB9qcMY032775 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:52:38 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBB9iL5I060094 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:44:21 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:44:21 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200712110944.lBB9iL5I060094@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:52:52 -0000 INDEX build failed with errors: Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..pkg_info: not found pkg_info: not found pkg_info: not found echo: write: No space left on device ===> www/trac-pagelist failed *** Error code 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. 1 error Committers on the hook: miwi Most recent CVS update was: U www/jetty/Makefile U www/jetty/distinfo U x11-fm/gnome-commander/Makefile U x11-fm/gnome-commander/files/patch-src_gnome-cmd-advrename-lexer.l U x11-fm/gnome-commander/files/patch-src_gnome-cmd-data.c U x11-fm/gnome-commander/files/patch-src_gnome-cmd-file-list.c U x11-fm/gnome-commander/files/patch-src_gnome-cmd-file-selector.c From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 10:29:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BEE416A417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:29:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@mail.droso.net) Received: from mail.droso.net (koala.ipv6.droso.net [IPv6:2001:6c8:6:0:206:5bff:fef8:267d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84FD13C467 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:29:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@mail.droso.net) Received: by mail.droso.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 72CD51CC32; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:29:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:29:05 +0100 From: Erwin Lansing To: ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20071211102904.GW71315@droso.net> Mail-Followup-To: ports@FreeBSD.org References: <200712110944.lBB9iL5I060094@pointyhat.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="EUwkhXZbCcD53YNR" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712110944.lBB9iL5I060094@pointyhat.freebsd.org> X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 7.0-BETA2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: Subject: Re: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:29:07 -0000 --EUwkhXZbCcD53YNR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 09:44:21AM +0000, Erwin Lansing wrote: > INDEX build failed with errors: > Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..pkg_info: not found > pkg_info: not found > pkg_info: not found > echo: write: No space left on device / ran out of space on pointyhat, which has been helpful with fixing. Nothing to see, please move on. -erwin --=20 Erwin Lansing http://droso.org (o_ _o) Errare humanum est \\\_\ /_/// erwin@FreeBSD.org perseverare diabolicum <____) (____> erwin@aauug.dk --EUwkhXZbCcD53YNR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHXmZwqy9aWxUlaZARAuHPAJ46HyhUTMdexy+xxOIaGzW1WZtoSACfbDQG wImsrH/zMEkgji2P8aHlvdA= =PHPm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --EUwkhXZbCcD53YNR-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 11:00:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33FD16A41A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsc@admadic.de) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54D8313C447 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsc@admadic.de) X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 X-RZG-AUTH: lUESeo99iNzPSoaxNYLEYM0vFQKTxznPOmIi0KhUTW8YiUQ81LyhtkNk Received: from srv.lpz.q-17.de.local (dslb-088-074-171-005.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.74.171.5]) by post.webmailer.de (fruni mo4) (RZmta 14.5) with ESMTP id h02123jBBAZZAV for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:00:05 +0100 (MET) (envelope-from: ) Received: (qmail 1636 invoked by uid 98); 11 Dec 2007 10:33:48 -0000 Received: from 192.168.40.21 by srv.lpz.q-17.de.local (envelope-from , uid 89) with qmail-scanner-2.01 ( Clear:RC:1(192.168.40.21):. Processed in 0.035074 secs); 11 Dec 2007 10:33:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.40.21?) (192.168.40.21) by srvfb.lpz.q-17.de.local with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 10:33:48 -0000 Message-ID: <475E678D.7060003@admadic.de> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:33:49 +0100 From: Rainer Schwarze User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071031 Thunderbird/2.0.0.9 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA279B7@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> <475DDC19.4000507@buzmo.com> In-Reply-To: <475DDC19.4000507@buzmo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Chris Haulmark Subject: Re: www/mod_python support in apache22? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:00:08 -0000 Mike Bowie wrote: > Chris Haulmark wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am trying to get devel/subversion and www/trac working on my FreeBSD >> 6.x system. [snip] > Chris, > > I believe you will find that www/mod_python3 works very groovily with > Apache 2.2. > > I'm pretty sure I've used it with trac in the past. > > Cheers, > > Mike. Hi Chris, I can confirm that. Some weeks ago I installed FreeBSD 6.2 on our main server. The subversion-python port gave me a bit of trouble as a FreeBSD newbie which was solved by using this make command: make WITHOUT_BDB=yes WITH_APACHE2_APR=yes WITH_MOD_SAV_SVN=yes \ APXS=/usr/local/sbin/apxs (BTW: I use the same make command for the subversion port.) I could install mod_python3 without any problems. And after setting up everything, trac works well. Best wishes, Rainer -- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 11:50:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41D6516A476 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1E613C457 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBBBoRDm058189 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:50:27 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBBBoRt5058178 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:50:27 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:50:27 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200712111150.lBBBoRt5058178@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX now builds successfully on 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:50:42 -0000 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 12:00:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C7716A417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:00:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pawciobiel@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE9613C45A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pawciobiel@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1475227nfb for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:00:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=emd7jXPIUy0KovXY91zYfK0k0GCVBFQxRS9fl9IVJd8=; b=b9wB4fo4t81qJ8Sfspfv5WYH8hFndIfpHzA1QMQf4xbQyf+Wi1MUzih005uYLJXGhAi2OIaIZisePRYkSHl9fbNeeaQwqXslbsRRVEb+OZpaX1/oqhgZ2gccZ2qXTHQa3B9YDWe7z40Qb13phrEPS7bo0QCnYcSYtG9XfjUIzgo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jml2ZvVOpumULeLpfrRDeaMky6wxhcFNvmx3L4yUf1wKqU+bNex5g5D0TlYjI+QwZKZdOZdwAbGeWyBqoTlK8+weFxORcOe4Z4wVjtHGA6QYpyor6cQPFxivlWJKF7/ttkC+zgjHkjBbXU88YzWMg9vswifDtgDdivLmSX+Vbfw= Received: by 10.86.95.20 with SMTP id s20mr6624083fgb.1197372852878; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.89.20 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:34:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2e420cc20712110334n632285afgab7a3ff6659e8b0c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:34:12 +0000 From: "P Bielecki" To: "Chris Haulmark" In-Reply-To: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA279B7@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA279B7@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/mod_python support in apache22? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:00:59 -0000 On Dec 11, 2007 12:36 AM, Chris Haulmark wrote: > Hello, > I am trying to get devel/subversion and www/trac working on my FreeBSD > 6.x system. > I ran into problems related to viewing the trac's website. I am using > lang/mod_python as part of the > > requirement along with www/apache22. > After I googled, I found off the FreeBSD mailing list that mod_python is > not supported for apache22 > > and that it is shown on the mod_python's home page. > I do not see it anywhere. > This post was posted in 2005 and here is the link: > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2006-March/030408.html > The description is not clear to me on the mod_python's website. The > description is: > "Apache 2.0.54 or later. Apache versions 2.0.47 to 2.0.53 may work but > have not been tested with > this release. (For Apache 1.3.x, use mod_python version 2.7.x)." > I am asking that if it has changed and that mod_python is supported to > be used with apache22? > > Chris Haulmark Chris, 6.2-RELEASE apache-2.2.6 from ports mod_python-3.3.1 /usr/ports/www/mod_python3 and it works just fine. Tested by 900 users accessing few small webapps (python django web framework) Cheers, Paul From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 12:04:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BA0B16A475 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:04:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: from ps226.psconsult.nl (ps226.psconsult.nl [213.222.19.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF61513C45B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:04:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: from phuket.psconsult.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phuket.psconsult.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBBAXUGQ070711 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:33:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by phuket.psconsult.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id lBBAXUvb070710 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:33:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:33:30 +0100 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071211103330.GA69937@psconsult.nl> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <459D08CA.7060104@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20070105173738.2f4d86c4@gumby.homeunix.com> <20070105202810.010d4bea@gumby.homeunix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070105202810.010d4bea@gumby.homeunix.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: DEPENDS -- is it time to remove it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:04:08 -0000 On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:28:10PM +0000, RW wrote: > On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:52:50 +0300 > "Andrew Pantyukhin" wrote: > > > On 1/5/07, RW wrote: > > > Isn't DEPENDS still a sensible way of making > > > one metaport depend on another. For example > > > if someone wanted to create a personal desk- > > > top metaport that depends on KDE, xorg etc. > > > > People need programs, not ports. > > It's not that straightforward when you want to depend on a > metaport like KDE. All of the binaries can be provided by individual > sub-ports. The sensible thing to do is create a dependency on KDE and > let KDE's options/knobs handle the lower dependencies. The ports tree > doesn't need to have metaports depend on metaports, but some people > find it useful to create their own. > > >It's more > > sensible to run_depend on files than just on > > ports. > > Looking at the porter's handbook it looks like the solution is to use > RUN_DEPENDS with${NONEXISTENT}, so I guess DEPENDS is redundant. So now I have a need for a metaport to depend on another metaport. Without DEPENDS, how do I accomplish that. Using RUN_DEPENDS with ${NONEXISTENT} seems not appropriate here, the Porters Handbook says that this should only be used to pull in source, not to install another metaport (unless it is already installed) and the effect of using something like RUN_DEPENDS=${NONEXISTENT}:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions causes make install to try installing php5-extensions even when this port is already installed. The two metaport I need to depend on are php5-extensions and xorg-drivers and I really don't want to copy the OPTIONS processing of these ports and maintain that in the future. Thanks in advance for any help. Paul Schenkeveld From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 13:35:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F9D16A417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:35:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18AD113C457 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so1496517nfb for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:35:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Dz51Le47TE0tuikrPalYXW/EULP8HN5/+GS93Dig/fw=; b=URlv+q2IKUOV8H4dVCiov/yYlYM31QhC/YqLqMnBdGWK07X6dQWDtMgf6JsysyJBYxLcZr1yvGSBfRyPIOgq56PGXvMYUlD+PlCLlNgebe+xbilDLcdB3vJn5bw6ZvMMn5kHeWINTmdNba/6VfbCG/wJvgxSmDAevo6L6B7HXMc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=SQ6ucHTejADrDp8OGdyd6RSpSTe02ArekFqW///BgaDNiwXcz2oJA0/4yRemQ2HuHj69wPaxDamCB7h1vgIiM5x8RuqJlrcsEdMk8y3KSb4d28g0oYP8xyU+hFmDpytOAqiAS6/6PtTLaTXIWRYntev5+PM5gcGcnn4B4TSIsoA= Received: by 10.86.99.9 with SMTP id w9mr6700586fgb.1197380116642; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:35:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.3.20 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:35:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <790a9fff0712110535w361308bu3e93de636d0e048e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:35:16 -0600 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071211103330.GA69937@psconsult.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <459D08CA.7060104@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20070105173738.2f4d86c4@gumby.homeunix.com> <20070105202810.010d4bea@gumby.homeunix.com> <20071211103330.GA69937@psconsult.nl> Subject: Re: DEPENDS -- is it time to remove it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:35:25 -0000 On 12/11/07, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > So now I have a need for a metaport to depend on another metaport. > Without DEPENDS, how do I accomplish that. Using RUN_DEPENDS with > ${NONEXISTENT} seems not appropriate here, the Porters Handbook says > that this should only be used to pull in source, not to install another > metaport (unless it is already installed) and the effect of using > something like RUN_DEPENDS=${NONEXISTENT}:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions > causes make install to try installing php5-extensions even when this port > is already installed. > > The two metaport I need to depend on are php5-extensions and > xorg-drivers and I really don't want to copy the OPTIONS processing of > these ports and maintain that in the future. > For xorg-drivers you simply use: RUN_DEPENDS= ${LOCALBASE}/libdata/xorg/drivers:${PORTSDIR}/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers to get this to work for php5-extensions, you would need to patch the Makefile with: PLIST_FILES= libdata/php5/extensions PLIST_DIR= libdata/php5 do-install: ${MKDIR} ${PREFIX}/libdata/php5 ${TOUCH} ${PREFIX}/libdata/php5/extensions Then you could use: RUN_DEPENDS= ${LOCALBASE}/libdata/php5/extensions:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions Scot From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 13:55:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317E016A417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:55:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from server.t-hosting.hu (server.t-hosting.hu [81.2.252.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EABA313C457 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:55:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gabor@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49ADA4AF9C; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:40:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at t-hosting.hu Received: from server.t-hosting.hu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.t-hosting.hu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id kphHUgFpqfJl; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:40:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.2.186] (catv-5063da7a.catv.broadband.hu [80.99.218.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.t-hosting.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id C081BA4AF79; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:40:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <475E933B.30405@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:40:11 +0100 From: Gabor Kovesdan User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scot Hetzel References: <459D08CA.7060104@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20070105173738.2f4d86c4@gumby.homeunix.com> <20070105202810.010d4bea@gumby.homeunix.com> <20071211103330.GA69937@psconsult.nl> <790a9fff0712110535w361308bu3e93de636d0e048e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <790a9fff0712110535w361308bu3e93de636d0e048e@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd ports Subject: Re: DEPENDS -- is it time to remove it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:55:55 -0000 Scot Hetzel escribió: > On 12/11/07, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > >> So now I have a need for a metaport to depend on another metaport. >> Without DEPENDS, how do I accomplish that. Using RUN_DEPENDS with >> ${NONEXISTENT} seems not appropriate here, the Porters Handbook says >> that this should only be used to pull in source, not to install another >> metaport (unless it is already installed) and the effect of using >> something like RUN_DEPENDS=${NONEXISTENT}:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions >> causes make install to try installing php5-extensions even when this port >> is already installed. >> >> The two metaport I need to depend on are php5-extensions and >> xorg-drivers and I really don't want to copy the OPTIONS processing of >> these ports and maintain that in the future. >> >> > > For xorg-drivers you simply use: > > RUN_DEPENDS= ${LOCALBASE}/libdata/xorg/drivers:${PORTSDIR}/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers > > to get this to work for php5-extensions, you would need to patch the > Makefile with: > > PLIST_FILES= libdata/php5/extensions > PLIST_DIR= libdata/php5 > > do-install: > ${MKDIR} ${PREFIX}/libdata/php5 > ${TOUCH} ${PREFIX}/libdata/php5/extensions > > Then you could use: > > RUN_DEPENDS= ${LOCALBASE}/libdata/php5/extensions:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions > Or what about just depending on the specific components of php5-extensions? This would reasult in more lines, but would give you a better way to fine-tune the dependencies and won't result in unnecessarily installed ports for the user. Or do you really need the whole bunch of extensions that php5-extensions offers? -- Gabor Kovesdan FreeBSD Volunteer EMAIL: gabor@FreeBSD.org .:|:. gabor@kovesdan.org WEB: http://people.FreeBSD.org/~gabor .:|:. http://kovesdan.org From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 13:45:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5618A16A419 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:45:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.102.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AAEBC13C4DB for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:45:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 63116 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2007 13:45:46 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=C20UXvNhTPIj4d9qwPu1yZX0iyMoJBVEhAt6Sr8pWHgwQZqPuCFmb/KAfBdVsnW/hWWx+YjSIzSXFEm6kL3DPImSSZ417A4xRsiDOT5/dqRogkFdCTd8U2E2Sp3p99fTEVCoinWR1npuMT6EByeXz5jfu7dvHx97RmNQjs4czkk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ssfbsd.securestate.org) (eol1@70.227.5.28 with plain) by smtp103.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2007 13:45:39 -0000 Message-ID: <475E9482.3070402@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:45:38 -0500 From: Peter Thoenen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:13:42 +0000 Cc: Subject: Build Failure: Gnome Seahorse X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:45:48 -0000 Seahorse doesn't seem to like the scrollkeeper replacement rarian, or at least not on my system (installed by default now with the gnome2 port). Not sure a fix .. ideas? Thanks, -Peter ssfbsd# make seahorse is using firefox for gecko support, but you can change that by defining WITH_GECKO to the following values: firefox xulrunner ===> Found saved configuration for seahorse-2.20.1 ===> Extracting for seahorse-2.20.1 => MD5 Checksum OK for gnome2/seahorse-2.20.1.tar.bz2. => SHA256 Checksum OK for gnome2/seahorse-2.20.1.tar.bz2. ===> Patching for seahorse-2.20.1 ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for seahorse-2.20.1 ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on executable: gpg - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on executable: gedit - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on executable: epiphany - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on file: /usr/local/lib/firefox/libgtkembedmoz.so - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on executable: gmake - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/intltool-extract - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/gnome-mime-data-2.0.pc - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on executable: pkg-config - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on executable: update-desktop-database - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/pkgconfig/gnome-doc-utils.pc - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on file: /usr/local/libdata/xorg/libraries - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gpgme.17 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: dbus-glib-1.2 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: soup-2.2.8 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: notify.1 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gnome-keyring - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: avahi-client - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: ldap-2.3.2 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: intl - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: esd.2 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: atk-1.0.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: eel-2.2 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gailutil.18 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gconf-2.4 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: glib-2.0.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gnome-desktop-2.2 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gnome-menu.2 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: panel-applet-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gnomevfs-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gtk-x11-2.0.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: art_lgpl_2.5 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: bonobo-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: bonoboui-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: glade-2.0.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gnome-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gnomecanvas-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gnomeui-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: gsf-1.114 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: IDL-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: rsvg-2.2 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: wnck-1.22 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: xml2.5 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: xslt.2 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: linc.1 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: nautilus-extension.1 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: ORBit-2.0 - found ===> seahorse-2.20.1 depends on shared library: pango-1.0.0 - found ===> Configuring for seahorse-2.20.1 checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /usr/local/bin/gmkdir -p checking for gawk... gawk checking whether gmake sets $(MAKE)... yes checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no checking for style of include used by gmake... 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for LIBEBOOK... yes disabling debug compile mode checking for glib-genmarshal... /usr/local/bin/glib-genmarshal checking locale.h usability... yes checking locale.h presence... yes checking for locale.h... yes checking for LC_MESSAGES... yes checking libintl.h usability... yes checking libintl.h presence... yes checking for libintl.h... yes checking for ngettext in libc... no checking for bindtextdomain in -lintl... yes checking for ngettext in -lintl... yes checking for dgettext in -lintl... yes checking for bind_textdomain_codeset... yes checking for msgfmt... /usr/local/bin/msgfmt checking for dcgettext... yes checking if msgfmt accepts -c... yes checking for gmsgfmt... /usr/local/bin/msgfmt checking for xgettext... /usr/local/bin/xgettext configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile config.status: creating seahorse.spec config.status: creating libcryptui/cryptui.pc config.status: creating libcryptui/Makefile config.status: creating libcryptui/tests/Makefile config.status: creating libseahorse/Makefile config.status: creating po/Makefile.in config.status: creating help/Makefile config.status: creating data/Makefile config.status: creating pixmaps/Makefile config.status: creating pixmaps/22x22/Makefile config.status: creating pixmaps/48x48/Makefile config.status: creating pixmaps/scalable/Makefile config.status: creating src/Makefile config.status: creating src/seahorse.desktop.in config.status: creating src/seahorse-pgp-encrypted.desktop.in config.status: creating src/seahorse-pgp-keys.desktop.in config.status: creating src/seahorse-pgp-signature.desktop.in config.status: creating agent/Makefile config.status: creating daemon/Makefile config.status: creating plugins/Makefile config.status: creating plugins/applet/Makefile config.status: creating plugins/applet/docs/Makefile config.status: creating plugins/epiphany/Makefile config.status: creating plugins/epiphany/mozilla/Makefile config.status: creating plugins/gedit/Makefile config.status: creating plugins/nautilus/Makefile config.status: creating plugins/nautilus-ext/Makefile config.status: creating config.h config.status: executing depfiles commands config.status: executing intltool commands config.status: executing default-1 commands config.status: executing po/stamp-it commands GnuPG Version: gpg (GnuPG) 1.4.7 GPGME Version: 1.1.5 SSH Support: yes gnome-keyring Support: yes Keyserver Support: yes LDAP: yes HKP: yes Plugins: Epiphany: yes GEdit (v <= 2.12): no GEdit (v >= 2.14): yes Key Sharing: yes Panel Applet: yes Nautilus: yes Seahorse Agent: yes Notification Support: yes ===> Building for seahorse-2.20.1 gmake all-recursive gmake[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1' Making all in libcryptui gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libcryptui' echo "#include \"cryptui-marshal.h\"" > cryptui-marshal.c && \ /usr/local/bin/glib-genmarshal cryptui-marshal.list --body --prefix=cryptui_marshal >> cryptui-marshal.c /usr/local/bin/glib-genmarshal cryptui-marshal.list --header --prefix=cryptui_marshal > cryptui-marshal.h gmake all-recursive gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libcryptui' Making all in . gmake[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libcryptui' /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -D_THREAD_SAFE -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -DLIBCRYPTUI_BUILD=1 -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT cryptui.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/cryptui.Tpo -c -o cryptui.lo cryptui.c mkdir .libs cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -D_THREAD_SAFE -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -DLIBCRYPTUI_BUILD=1 -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT cryptui.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/cryptui.Tpo -c cryptui.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/cryptui.o cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -D_THREAD_SAFE -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -DLIBCRYPTUI_BUILD=1 -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT cryptui.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/cryptui.Tpo -c cryptui.c -o cryptui.o >/dev/null 2>&1 mv -f .deps/cryptui.Tpo .deps/cryptui.Plo /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=compile cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -D_THREAD_SAFE -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -DLIBCRYPTUI_BUILD=1 -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT cryptui-keyset.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/cryptui-keyset.Tpo -c -o cryptui-keyset.lo cryptui-keyset.c cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -D_THREAD_SAFE -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -DLIBCRYPTUI_BUILD=1 -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT cryptui-keyset.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/cryptui-keyset.Tpo -c cryptui-keyset.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/cryptui-keyset.o cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -D_THREAD_SAFE -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -DLIBCRYPTUI_BUILD=1 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-L/usr/local/lib -o libcryptui.la -rpath /usr/local/lib cryptui.lo cryptui-keyset.lo cryptui-key-store.lo cryptui-key-combo.lo cryptui-key-list.lo cryptui-key-chooser.lo cryptui-marshal.lo -pthread -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXcomposite -lXdamage -lcairo -lpangoft2-1.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lz -lpango-1.0 -lm -lX11 -lXfixes -lgmodule-2.0 -lgconf-2 -lORBit-2 -lgthread-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -liconv cc -shared .libs/cryptui.o .libs/cryptui-keyset.o .libs/cryptui-key-store.o .libs/cryptui-key-combo.o .libs/cryptui-key-list.o .libs/cryptui-key-chooser.o .libs/cryptui-marshal.o -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib /usr/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libatk-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libXext.so /usr/local/lib/libXrender.so /usr/local/lib/libXinerama.so /usr/local/lib/libXi.so /usr/local/lib/libXrandr.so /usr/local/lib/libXcursor.so /usr/local/lib/libXcomposite.so /usr/local/lib/libXdamage.so /usr/local/lib/libcairo.so /usr/local/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libfontconfig.so /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so -lz /usr/local/lib/libpango-1.0.so -lm /usr/local/lib/libX11.so /usr/local/lib/libXfixes.so /usr/local/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgconf-2.so /usr/local/lib/libORBit-2.so /usr/local/lib/libgthread-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so /usr/local/lib/libdbus-1.so /usr/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so -march=nocona -pthread -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -Wl,-soname -Wl,libcryptui.so.0 -o .libs/libcryptui.so.0 (cd .libs && rm -f libcryptui.so && ln -s libcryptui.so.0 libcryptui.so) (cd .libs && rm -f libcryptui.so && ln -s libcryptui.so.0 libcryptui.so) ar cru .libs/libcryptui.a cryptui.o cryptui-keyset.o cryptui-key-store.o cryptui-key-combo.o cryptui-key-list.o cryptui-key-chooser.o cryptui-marshal.o ranlib .libs/libcryptui.a creating libcryptui.la (cd .libs && rm -f libcryptui.la && ln -s ../libcryptui.la libcryptui.la) cp cryptui.pc cryptui-0.0.pc gmake[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libcryptui' gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libcryptui' gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libcryptui' Making all in libseahorse gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libseahorse' echo "#include \"seahorse-marshal.h\"" > seahorse-marshal.c && \ /usr/local/bin/glib-genmarshal seahorse-marshal.list --body --prefix=seahorse_marshal >> seahorse-marshal.c /usr/local/bin/glib-genmarshal seahorse-marshal.list --header --prefix=seahorse_marshal > seahorse-marshal.h gmake all-am gmake[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libseahorse' cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-key.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-key.Tpo -c -o seahorse-key.o seahorse-key.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-key.Tpo .deps/seahorse-key.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-key-source.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-key-source.Tpo -c -o seahorse-key-source.o seahorse-key-source.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-key-source.Tpo .deps/seahorse-key-source.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-pgp-key.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-pgp-key.Tpo -c -o seahorse-pgp-key.o seahorse-pgp-key.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-pgp-key.Tpo .deps/seahorse-pgp-key.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-pgp-key-op.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-pgp-key-op.Tpo -c -o seahorse-pgp-key-op.o seahorse-pgp-key-op.c seahorse-pgp-key-op.c: In function 'edit_trust_action': seahorse-pgp-key-op.c:675: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size seahorse-pgp-key-op.c: In function 'seahorse_pgp_key_op_set_trust': seahorse-pgp-key-op.c:822: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size seahorse-pgp-key-op.c: In function 'del_key_action': seahorse-pgp-key-op.c:1541: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size seahorse-pgp-key-op.c: In function 'seahorse_pgp_key_op_del_subkey': seahorse-pgp-key-op.c:1646: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size mv -f .deps/seahorse-pgp-key-op.Tpo .deps/seahorse-pgp-key-op.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-pgp-source.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-pgp-source.Tpo -c -o seahorse-pgp-source.o seahorse-pgp-source.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-pgp-source.Tpo .deps/seahorse-pgp-source.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-pgp-operation.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-pgp-operation.Tpo -c -o seahorse-pgp-operation.o seahorse-pgp-operation.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-pgp-operation.Tpo .deps/seahorse-pgp-operation.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 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-I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" 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-I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-notification.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-notification.Tpo -c -o seahorse-notification.o seahorse-notification.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-notification.Tpo .deps/seahorse-notification.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include 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.deps/seahorse-secure-memory.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" 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-I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-hkp-source.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-hkp-source.Tpo -c -o seahorse-hkp-source.o seahorse-hkp-source.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-hkp-source.Tpo .deps/seahorse-hkp-source.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-ssh-key-data.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-ssh-key-data.Tpo -c -o seahorse-ssh-key-data.o seahorse-ssh-key-data.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-ssh-key-data.Tpo .deps/seahorse-ssh-key-data.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-ssh-key.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-ssh-key.Tpo -c -o seahorse-ssh-key.o seahorse-ssh-key.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-ssh-key.Tpo .deps/seahorse-ssh-key.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-ssh-source.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-ssh-source.Tpo -c -o seahorse-ssh-source.o seahorse-ssh-source.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-ssh-source.Tpo .deps/seahorse-ssh-source.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-ssh-operation.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-ssh-operation.Tpo -c -o seahorse-ssh-operation.o seahorse-ssh-operation.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-ssh-operation.Tpo .deps/seahorse-ssh-operation.Po rm -f libseahorse.a ar cru libseahorse.a seahorse-key.o seahorse-key-source.o seahorse-pgp-key.o seahorse-pgp-key-op.o seahorse-pgp-source.o seahorse-pgp-operation.o seahorse-unknown-key.o seahorse-unknown-source.o seahorse-context.o seahorse-widget.o seahorse-keyset.o seahorse-key-model.o seahorse-util.o seahorse-validity.o seahorse-check-button-control.o seahorse-combo-keys.o seahorse-gpg-options.o seahorse-passphrase.o seahorse-signer.o seahorse-vfs-data.o seahorse-gpgmex-op.o seahorse-gpgmex-util.o seahorse-prefs.o seahorse-operation.o seahorse-transfer-operation.o seahorse-progress.o seahorse-gconf.o seahorse-dns-sd.o seahorse-gtkstock.o seahorse-notification.o seahorse-secure-memory.o seahorse-secure-entry.o seahorse-algo.o seahorse-unix-signal.o seahorse-marshal.o seahorse-prefs-cache.o seahorse-server-source.o seahorse-keyserver-control.o seahorse-ldap-source.o seahorse-hkp-source.o seahorse-ssh-key-data.o seahorse-ssh-key.o seahorse-ssh-source.o seahorse-ssh-operation.o ranlib libseahorse.a cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-xloadimage.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-xloadimage.Tpo -c -o seahorse-xloadimage.o `test -f '../src/seahorse-xloadimage.c' || echo './'`../src/seahorse-xloadimage.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-xloadimage.Tpo .deps/seahorse-xloadimage.Po /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -L/usr/local/lib -o xloadimage seahorse-xloadimage.o mkdir .libs cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -o xloadimage seahorse-xloadimage.o -L/usr/local/lib cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/seahorse/"\" -DEXECDIR=\""/usr/local/lib/seahorse/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-ssh-askpass.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-ssh-askpass.Tpo -c -o seahorse-ssh-askpass.o seahorse-ssh-askpass.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-ssh-askpass.Tpo .deps/seahorse-ssh-askpass.Po /bin/sh ../libtool --tag=CC --mode=link cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -L/usr/local/lib -o seahorse-ssh-askpass seahorse-ssh-askpass.o libseahorse.a ../libcryptui/libcryptui.la -pthread -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lgnomeui-2 -lSM -lICE -lbonoboui-2 -lgnomecanvas-2 -lgnome-2 -lpopt -lbonobo-2 -lbonobo-activation -lart_lgpl_2 -lglade-2.0 -lxml2 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXcomposite -lXdamage -lcairo -lpangoft2-1.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lz -lpango-1.0 -lm -lX11 -lXfixes -lgnomevfs-2 -lgconf-2 -lgmodule-2.0 -lORBit-2 -lgthread-2.0 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -lgpgme -L/usr/local/lib -lgpg-error -lldap -L/usr/local/lib -lsoup-2.2 -lglib-2.0 -liconv -lxml2 -lgnutls -L/usr/local/lib -lgnome-keyring -lglib-2.0 -liconv -pthread -L/usr/local/lib -lavahi-common -lavahi-client -lavahi-glib -lglib-2.0 -liconv -L/usr/local/lib -ldbus-glib-1 -ldbus-1 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -liconv -pthread -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lnotify -lgtk-x11-2.0 -ldbus-glib-1 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lpangocairo-1.0 -lXext -lXrender -lXinerama -lXi -lXrandr -lXcursor -lXcomposite -lXdamage -lcairo -lpangoft2-1.0 -lfontconfig -lfreetype -lz -lpango-1.0 -lm -lX11 -lXfixes -lgmodule-2.0 -ldbus-1 -lgobject-2.0 -lglib-2.0 -liconv cc -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -o .libs/seahorse-ssh-askpass seahorse-ssh-askpass.o -pthread -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -pthread -pthread -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib libseahorse.a ../libcryptui/.libs/libcryptui.so /usr/local/lib/libgnomeui-2.so /usr/local/lib/libjpeg.so /usr/local/lib/libbonoboui-2.so /usr/local/lib/libSM.so /usr/local/lib/libICE.so /usr/local/lib/libgnomecanvas-2.so /usr/local/lib/libgailutil.so /usr/local/lib/libgnome-2.so /usr/local/lib/libesd.so /usr/local/lib/libaudiofile.so /usr/local/lib/libpopt.so /usr/local/lib/libbonobo-2.so /usr/local/lib/libbonobo-activation.so /usr/local/lib/libORBitCosNaming-2.so /usr/local/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so /usr/local/lib/libglade-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgnomevfs-2.so -lutil /usr/local/lib/libgconf-2.so /usr/local/lib/libORBit-2.so /usr/local/lib/libgpgme.so /usr/local/lib/libldap.so /usr/local/lib/liblber.so -lssl -lcrypto /usr/local/lib/libsoup-2.2.so /usr/local/lib/libgthread-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libxml2.so /usr/local/lib/libgnutls.so /usr/local/lib/libgcrypt.so /usr/local/lib/libgpg-error.so /usr/local/lib/libgnome-keyring.so /usr/local/lib/libavahi-client.so /usr/local/lib/libavahi-glib.so /usr/local/lib/libavahi-common.so -lssp /usr/local/lib/libnotify.so /usr/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so /usr/local/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libatk-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libXinerama.so /usr/local/lib/libXi.so /usr/local/lib/libXrandr.so /usr/local/lib/libXcursor.so /usr/local/lib/libXcomposite.so /usr/local/lib/libXext.so /usr/local/lib/libXdamage.so /usr/local/lib/libcairo.so -pthread -lpng /usr/local/lib/libXrender.so /usr/local/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so /usr/local/lib/libfontconfig.so /usr/local/lib/libexpat.so /usr/local/lib/libfreetype.so -lz /usr/local/lib/libpango-1.0.so -lm /usr/local/lib/libXfixes.so /usr/local/lib/libX11.so /usr/local/lib/libXau.so /usr/local/lib/libXdmcp.so -lrpcsvc /usr/local/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libdbus-1.so /usr/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libglib-2.0.so /usr/local/lib/libintl.so /usr/local/lib/libpcre.so /usr/local/lib/libiconv.so -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/local/lib creating seahorse-ssh-askpass gmake[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libseahorse' gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/libseahorse' Making all in src gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/src' cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -I../libseahorse -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT main.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/main.Tpo -c -o main.o main.c mv -f .deps/main.Tpo .deps/main.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -I../libseahorse -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-key-widget.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-key-widget.Tpo -c -o seahorse-key-widget.o seahorse-key-widget.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-key-widget.Tpo .deps/seahorse-key-widget.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -I../libseahorse -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-key-manager-store.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-key-manager-store.Tpo -c -o seahorse-key-manager-store.o seahorse-key-manager-store.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-key-manager-store.Tpo .deps/seahorse-key-manager-store.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -I../libseahorse -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-preferences.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-preferences.Tpo -c -o seahorse-preferences.o seahorse-preferences.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-preferences.Tpo .deps/seahorse-preferences.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -I../libseahorse -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include 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-I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/"\" 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-I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT seahorse-generate-select.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/seahorse-generate-select.Tpo -c -o seahorse-generate-select.o seahorse-generate-select.c mv -f .deps/seahorse-generate-select.Tpo .deps/seahorse-generate-select.Po cc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I.. -I.. -I.. -I../libcryptui -I../libseahorse -DORBIT2=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include 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-D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libgnome-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gconf/2 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-vfs-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libbonobo-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomeui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libart-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/libbonoboui-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libgnomecanvas-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include/gail-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -DDATA_DIR=\""/usr/local/share"\" -DSEAHORSE_GLADEDIR=\""/usr/local/share/seahorse/glade/"\" -DLOCALEDIR=\"/usr/local/share/locale\" -DPIXMAPSDIR=\""/usr/local/share/pixmaps/"\" -DLIBCRYPTUI_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE -I/usr/local/include -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing -pipe -march=nocona -DLDAP_DEPRECATED -MT 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-I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/libglade-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/gpgme -I/usr/local/include -O0 -I/usr/local/include/libsoup-2.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-keyring-1 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 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$file zh_TW.po gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/po' Making all in data gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/data' LC_ALL=C ../intltool-merge -s -u -c ../po/.intltool-merge-cache ../po seahorse.schemas.in seahorse.schemas Found cached translation database Merging translations into seahorse.schemas. gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/data' Making all in help gmake[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/help' scrollkeeper-config: not found scrollkeeper-config: not found The file '/Templates/C/scrollkeeper_cl.xml' does not exist. Please check your ScrollKeeper installation. gmake[2]: *** [seahorse-C.omf] Error 1 gmake[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1/help' gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/security/seahorse/work/seahorse-2.20.1' gmake: *** [all] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/security/seahorse. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/security/seahorse. ssfbsd# pwd From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 14:14:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 887A616A417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: from ps226.psconsult.nl (ps226.psconsult.nl [213.222.19.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B5C313C461 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:14:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: from phuket.psconsult.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phuket.psconsult.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBBECJ8Z076900 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:12:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by phuket.psconsult.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id lBBECJf5076899 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:12:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:12:19 +0100 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071211141219.GB76594@psconsult.nl> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <459D08CA.7060104@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20070105173738.2f4d86c4@gumby.homeunix.com> <20070105202810.010d4bea@gumby.homeunix.com> <20071211103330.GA69937@psconsult.nl> <790a9fff0712110535w361308bu3e93de636d0e048e@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <790a9fff0712110535w361308bu3e93de636d0e048e@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: DEPENDS -- is it time to remove it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:14:32 -0000 On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 07:35:16AM -0600, Scot Hetzel wrote: > On 12/11/07, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > > So now I have a need for a metaport to depend on another metaport. > > Without DEPENDS, how do I accomplish that. Using RUN_DEPENDS with > > ${NONEXISTENT} seems not appropriate here, the Porters Handbook says > > that this should only be used to pull in source, not to install another > > metaport (unless it is already installed) and the effect of using > > something like RUN_DEPENDS=${NONEXISTENT}:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions > > causes make install to try installing php5-extensions even when this port > > is already installed. > > > > The two metaport I need to depend on are php5-extensions and > > xorg-drivers and I really don't want to copy the OPTIONS processing of > > these ports and maintain that in the future. > > > > For xorg-drivers you simply use: > > RUN_DEPENDS= ${LOCALBASE}/libdata/xorg/drivers:${PORTSDIR}/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers > > to get this to work for php5-extensions, you would need to patch the > Makefile with: > > PLIST_FILES= libdata/php5/extensions > PLIST_DIR= libdata/php5 > > do-install: > ${MKDIR} ${PREFIX}/libdata/php5 > ${TOUCH} ${PREFIX}/libdata/php5/extensions > > Then you could use: > > RUN_DEPENDS= ${LOCALBASE}/libdata/php5/extensions:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions Thanks. I was afraid it would turn out this way but this would make my port non-portable to my customers unless I patch all their php5-extensions Makefiles and make sure they won't get overwritten by a a future cvs checkout. Or try to ask the php5-extensions maintainer to add a dummy file or dir to this meta-port for other meta-ports to depend on. Anyway, it's a pity that the old DEPENDS functionality of depending on a port instead of something installed by the port has gone. Regards, Paul Schenkeveld From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 14:14:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6F1316A418 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:14:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: from ps226.psconsult.nl (ps226.psconsult.nl [213.222.19.226]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB0513C43E for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:14:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: from phuket.psconsult.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phuket.psconsult.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBBE7fcO076813 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:07:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Received: (from paul@localhost) by phuket.psconsult.nl (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id lBBE7fui076812 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:07:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from fb-ports@psconsult.nl) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:07:41 +0100 From: Paul Schenkeveld To: freebsd ports Message-ID: <20071211140741.GA76594@psconsult.nl> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd ports References: <459D08CA.7060104@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20070105173738.2f4d86c4@gumby.homeunix.com> <20070105202810.010d4bea@gumby.homeunix.com> <20071211103330.GA69937@psconsult.nl> <790a9fff0712110535w361308bu3e93de636d0e048e@mail.gmail.com> <475E933B.30405@FreeBSD.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <475E933B.30405@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i Subject: Re: DEPENDS -- is it time to remove it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:14:33 -0000 On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:40:11PM +0100, Gabor Kovesdan wrote: > Scot Hetzel escribió: > >On 12/11/07, Paul Schenkeveld wrote: > > > >>So now I have a need for a metaport to depend on another metaport. > >>Without DEPENDS, how do I accomplish that. Using RUN_DEPENDS with > >>${NONEXISTENT} seems not appropriate here, the Porters Handbook says > >>that this should only be used to pull in source, not to install another > >>metaport (unless it is already installed) and the effect of using > >>something like RUN_DEPENDS=${NONEXISTENT}:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions > >>causes make install to try installing php5-extensions even when this port > >>is already installed. > >> > >>The two metaport I need to depend on are php5-extensions and > >>xorg-drivers and I really don't want to copy the OPTIONS processing of > >>these ports and maintain that in the future. > >> > >> > > > >For xorg-drivers you simply use: > > > >RUN_DEPENDS= > >${LOCALBASE}/libdata/xorg/drivers:${PORTSDIR}/x11-drivers/xorg-drivers > > > >to get this to work for php5-extensions, you would need to patch the > >Makefile with: > > > >PLIST_FILES= libdata/php5/extensions > >PLIST_DIR= libdata/php5 > > > >do-install: > > ${MKDIR} ${PREFIX}/libdata/php5 > > ${TOUCH} ${PREFIX}/libdata/php5/extensions > > > >Then you could use: > > > >RUN_DEPENDS= > >${LOCALBASE}/libdata/php5/extensions:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensions > > > Or what about just depending on the specific components of > php5-extensions? This would reasult in more lines, but would give you a > better way to fine-tune the dependencies and won't result in > unnecessarily installed ports for the user. Or do you really need the > whole bunch of extensions that php5-extensions offers? No, I want to use the OPTIONS facility of php5-extensions so I cannot depend on individual ports as each individual port may be disabled during make config. -- Paul Schenkeveld From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 16:06:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9C5D16A419 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) Received: from ms05.mailstreet2003.net (ms05.mailstreet2003.net [69.25.50.235]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FFD513C457 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@sigd.net) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:09:10 -0500 Message-ID: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA27BD6@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> In-Reply-To: <2e420cc20712110334n632285afgab7a3ff6659e8b0c@mail.gmail.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: www/mod_python support in apache22? 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This one just sucks less. Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, bug-followup@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ports/98946: [patch] xscreensaver and PAM/kerberos support X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:27:57 -0000 Hi. On Fri, Dec 07, 2007 at 11:08:48PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > If you're interested in xscreensaver support for pam and/or kerberos, > please take a look at > http://dougbarton.us/Downloads/xs-504-pam-kerberos.diff. You should > apply the patch with the --remove-empty-files option. > > If I don't hear of any problems by the time the freeze is over, I plan > to commit this update. A part of the patch does the same thing I proposed in ports/98946: adding a PAM option to allow enabling PAM support. I don't have actually any working FreeBSD + X server + "PAM users" so I can't test it, but it was already working when I submitted ports/98946. I can't talk for other parts of the patch, as I never used kerberos support in such context, and as I didn't have a closer look to misc patches. Yvan. -- NETASQ http://www.netasq.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 16:52:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B79AA16A417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riemer@palstra.com) Received: from palstra.com (palstra.com [193.202.115.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B5213C467 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:52:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from riemer@palstra.com) Received: from riemer by palstra.com with local (Exim 4.60 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J284h-0009eg-18; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:35:15 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:35:15 +0100 From: Riemer Palstra To: Chris Haulmark Message-ID: <20071211163514.GB79702@sbp1.palstra.com> References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA279B7@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> <2e420cc20712110334n632285afgab7a3ff6659e8b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA27BD6@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA27BD6@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/mod_python support in apache22? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:52:17 -0000 On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 11:09:10AM -0500, Chris Haulmark wrote: > AddHandler mod_python .py > > When I view this test .py file via web browser, I can see the source > code instead of the expected "Hello World!". > > Did I forget something else? Depending on your needs, you may want to also set a PythonHandler to either the Publisher or CGI handler. -- Riemer Palstra riemer@palstra.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 18:03:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E05016A417 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:03:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: from Shenton.org (static-71-246-241-106.washdc.fios.verizon.net [71.246.241.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3344D13C43E for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:03:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@Shenton.Org) Received: (qmail 10802 invoked by uid 1001); 11 Dec 2007 17:37:09 -0000 From: Chris Shenton To: "Chris Haulmark" References: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA279B7@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> <2e420cc20712110334n632285afgab7a3ff6659e8b0c@mail.gmail.com> <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA27BD6@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:37:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <6FC9F9894A9F8C49A722CF9F2132FC220FA27BD6@ms05.mailstreet2003.net> (Chris Haulmark's message of "Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:09:10 -0500") Message-ID: <86zlwh9lq2.fsf@PECTOPAH.shenton.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: www/mod_python support in apache22? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:03:51 -0000 FWIW, I've been converting my python webapps under apache22 from mod_python to mod_wsgi. I've found mod_python to be a real pain to get working on some Solaris installs and mod_wsgi to be much easier to configure and tweak. This includes Trac and Pylons-based webapps. Here's a blurb from the Trac folks: http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracModWSGI and here's the author's docs on mod_wsgi integration with Trac: http://code.google.com/p/modwsgi/wiki/IntegrationWithTrac The latter is filled with good info on variations you can use. Having said that, here's my config from a box I haven't yet converted from mod_python; I used ports for Apache, Trac, Python, SVN, ... ServerName trac.example.com ErrorLog /var/log/trac.example.com.errors CustomLog /var/log/trac.example.com.log combined ServerAdmin chris-tracmaster@example.com SetHandler mod_python PythonHandler trac.web.modpython_frontend PythonOption TracEnvParentDir /usr/local/trac PythonOption TracUriRoot / AuthType Basic AuthName "Trac" AuthUserFile /usr/local/etc/apache22/htpasswd-svn AuthGroupFile /usr/local/etc/apache22/htgroup-svn Require valid-user Require group ploneprojects Require group clientone From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 19:01:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F088416A41B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from raven.customer.vol.cz (raven.customer.vol.cz [195.250.144.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A8F13C46A for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:01:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (rb5dg130.net.upc.cz [89.176.238.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by raven.customer.vol.cz (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBBJ1gPh064716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:01:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) From: Pav Lucistnik To: Paul Schenkeveld In-Reply-To: <20071211103330.GA69937@psconsult.nl> References: <459D08CA.7060104@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20070105173738.2f4d86c4@gumby.homeunix.com> <20070105202810.010d4bea@gumby.homeunix.com> <20071211103330.GA69937@psconsult.nl> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kOslP21G9mzL4SbUsbR9" Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:01:41 +0100 Message-Id: <1197399701.37900.5.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Score: -3.781 () AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 195.250.144.108 X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: raven.customer.vol.cz; Sender-ip: 89.176.238.130; Sender-helo: [192.168.0.23]; ) Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: DEPENDS -- is it time to remove it? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:01:55 -0000 --=-kOslP21G9mzL4SbUsbR9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Fri, Jan 05, 2007 at 08:28:10PM +0000, RW wrote: Blast from the past :) > So now I have a need for a metaport to depend on another metaport. > Without DEPENDS, how do I accomplish that. Using RUN_DEPENDS with=20 > ${NONEXISTENT} seems not appropriate here, the Porters Handbook says > that this should only be used to pull in source, not to install another > metaport (unless it is already installed) and the effect of using > something like RUN_DEPENDS=3D${NONEXISTENT}:${PORTSDIR}/lang/php5-extensi= ons > causes make install to try installing php5-extensions even when this port > is already installed. Try RUN_DEPENDS=3D some-metaport>=3D0:${PORTSDIR}/dir/metaport Documented at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/porters-handbook/makefile-depend.html#A= EN2283 --=20 Pav Lucistnik It's ten o'clock; do you know where your processes are? --=-kOslP21G9mzL4SbUsbR9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?UTF-8?Q?digit=C3=A1ln=C4=9B?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?UTF-8?Q?_=C4=8D=C3=A1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHXt6SntdYP8FOsoIRAliCAKChAypsw9FZJyNcdEV8DTigBh+lPwCfdJY/ kV6cjues53uCbncRNGsu62s= =x3Gc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-kOslP21G9mzL4SbUsbR9-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 19:39:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4D416A417; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@mail.droso.net) Received: from mail.droso.net (koala.ipv6.droso.net [IPv6:2001:6c8:6:0:206:5bff:fef8:267d]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7500413C4E3; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:39:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@mail.droso.net) Received: by mail.droso.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E74691CC4C; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:39:51 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:39:51 +0100 From: Erwin Lansing To: ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20071211193951.GO71315@droso.net> Mail-Followup-To: ports@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="75efu8vkn6QcqU9C" Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: FreeBSD/i386 7.0-BETA2 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: Subject: Ports tree is thawed X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:39:55 -0000 --75efu8vkn6QcqU9C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The ports tree is now in "thaw" state after the tree has been tagged for the 6.3 and 7.0 releases. This means that most normal commit that affect only _one_ port are allowed. Sweeping changes are specifically not allowed and when in doubt, please don't hesitate to ask portmgr. Please also take into account that the 7.0 release won't be for several weeks yet, so we reallly need you all to be careful about what you commit as we tags might need to be slipped later. Also, please contact portmgr for any security related commits to get the tag slipped. For a more detailed description of what is, and what is not, allowed, please see: http://www.freebsd.org/portmgr/implementation.html#sweeping_changes Thank you for your patience, -erwin --=20 Erwin Lansing http://droso.org (o_ _o) Errare humanum est \\\_\ /_/// erwin@FreeBSD.org perseverare diabolicum <____) (____> erwin@aauug.dk --75efu8vkn6QcqU9C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHXueHqy9aWxUlaZARAlnhAJ9GWXFGbU4GO9HchrsqI234deaAbQCfQlP4 d8CkSnHofJStKT9srj+5nxA= =HtRa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --75efu8vkn6QcqU9C-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 20:05:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42D9616A417; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jclarke@cisco.com) Received: from av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (hen.cisco.com [64.102.19.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7DE13C459; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:05:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jclarke@cisco.com) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from rooster.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lBBJiIX20816; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:44:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [64.102.221.250] (dhcp-64-102-221-250.cisco.com [64.102.221.250]) by rooster.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lBBJihu09459; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:44:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <475EE8D1.8090008@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:45:21 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: Cisco Systems, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mail-port Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: HEADS UP: Ports tree is now slushed X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:05:20 -0000 The freeze on the ports tree has been lifted. We are in a slush pending the releases of 6.3 and 7.0. This means no sweeping commits until the tree is fully opened. Joe -- Joe Clarke, CCIE #5384, | | SCJP, SCSA, SCNA, SCSECA ||||| ||||| Customer Support Engineer ..:|||||||||::|||||||||:.. Phone: +1 (919) 392-2867 c i s c o S y s t e m s Email: jclarke@cisco.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 20:11:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AD216A419 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57DDC13C4D3 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:11:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so372008pyb for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:11:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wV1KNEH6ttijkNYkkKmCPzC6m2mu6I5HRgBgM3tOrl4=; b=Y+s83a0nEpv0Bxb1swy7tgLj7Ma+ScOBSZA/g5n3cD2LM4+DpwQDRtn6oILVyXlmlnulnK9LumuKnnMAnVf9GIqNWLkxLBRradhy4Rp8+DNYCtsyHquelGK3nqOqKtuVXHSxbavBNYUj27AluwncpT8xr4o7YWsKqEORXcLWH/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kl5tgvfikIrYLyu6kvLPCyDapHTpbVEWTkFleEhXcEOyELbOZHRV8fiROa5QKAtTUUmtoEm5rFQTizzxSqgI/RjKfRg5Ym8GTSs4h+qTzokUBCGLqS3XxUkCqFs5D53tj/DnZneQE4PnC63lHuFFU4AqM+Zc4TzaoYD7GqTeG0o= Received: by 10.65.54.9 with SMTP id g9mr17744869qbk.1197403861008; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:11:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a29sm4280712qbd.2007.12.11.12.10.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:11:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475EEED0.9010108@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:10:56 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Marcus Clarke References: <475EE8D1.8090008@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <475EE8D1.8090008@cisco.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mail-port Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Ports tree is now slushed X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:11:04 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: > The freeze on the ports tree has been lifted. We are in a slush pending > the releases of 6.3 and 7.0. This means no sweeping commits until the > tree is fully opened. One thing was not clear does this mean only existing ports will be committed or will new ones that are not metaports also be allowed? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXu7QzIOMjAek4JIRAu37AJkB3DZo8YERkaTSXZyEdbEilzmB6wCdEwaJ muAE278Kl66xxpLkvcw8/jw= =/zOo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 20:35:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5143A16A419 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:35:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) Received: from av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (hen.cisco.com [64.102.19.198]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11DE413C457 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:35:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from marcus@FreeBSD.org) X-TACSUNS: Virus Scanned Received: from rooster.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by av-tac-rtp.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lBBKH7r24209; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:17:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [64.102.221.250] (dhcp-64-102-221-250.cisco.com [64.102.221.250]) by rooster.cisco.com (8.11.7p3+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id lBBKHVu09161; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:17:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <475EF081.9010300@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:18:09 -0500 From: Joe Marcus Clarke Organization: FreeBSD, Inc. User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475EE8D1.8090008@cisco.com> <475EEED0.9010108@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <475EEED0.9010108@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mail-port , Joe Marcus Clarke Subject: Re: HEADS UP: Ports tree is now slushed X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:35:20 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Joe Marcus Clarke wrote: >> The freeze on the ports tree has been lifted. We are in a slush pending >> the releases of 6.3 and 7.0. This means no sweeping commits until the >> tree is fully opened. > > One thing was not clear does this mean only existing ports will be > committed or will new ones that are not metaports also be allowed? New ports can certainly be added during a slush. Erwin sent out a more detailed email indicating what is considered a sweeping commit. Joe - -- Joe Marcus Clarke FreeBSD GNOME Team :: gnome@FreeBSD.org FreeNode / #freebsd-gnome http://www.FreeBSD.org/gnome -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHXvCAb2iPiv4Uz4cRAoO7AJ9FjhsPgVqposLv4EqvVS//D0F9owCgsIey ZuO5HhIH4DjI3xiq9WzDil4= =iCxi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 20:55:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AA816A46B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@mcneil.com) Received: from mail.mcneil.com (mcneil.com [24.199.45.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42C713C458 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:55:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@mcneil.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.mcneil.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mcneil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B75F7455; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:38:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mcneil.com Received: from mail.mcneil.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mcneil.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YUIP3Z1IAzKG; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:37:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from triton.mcneil.com (mcneil.com [24.199.45.54]) by mail.mcneil.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57949F72F6; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:37:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475EF525.5080001@mcneil.com> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:37:57 -0800 From: Sean McNeil User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071125) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lev@FreeBSD.org, ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000903080704020805070101" Cc: Subject: mingw32-binutils X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 20:55:59 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000903080704020805070101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was wondering if and when this port will be fixed. It is obvious that there was a faulty archive that was used when creating the distinfo. The following path will resolve the issue and the port build/works just fine: --- Makefile.orig 2007-12-09 12:47:37.000000000 -0800 +++ Makefile 2007-12-09 12:47:49.000000000 -0800 @@ -17,8 +17,6 @@ MAINTAINER= lev@FreeBSD.org COMMENT= FSF binutils-2.17 for Windows cross-development -BROKEN= Size mismatch - BINUTILVERSION= 2.17.50 USE_BZIP2= yes --- distinfo.orig 2007-12-09 12:47:32.000000000 -0800 +++ distinfo 2007-12-09 12:50:11.000000000 -0800 @@ -1,3 +1,3 @@ -MD5 (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 7a6d647a0b6aac9bfa5ae7769423a235 -SHA256 (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 2541a51dd66b3f2a3e5e5c7f6325ed62be78d67796bb05e464a4ea188902a9f6 -SIZE (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 15448915 +MD5 (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 740577637f32b0c4cc0347193e303b64 +SHA256 (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 92e9feb669b7a793c86d30d3b0d64c7db27f8592cc4a22906c3af1dc29c7f080 +SIZE (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 15452011 --------------000903080704020805070101 Content-Type: text/x-patch; name="mingw32-binutils.diff" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="mingw32-binutils.diff" --- Makefile.orig 2007-12-09 12:47:37.000000000 -0800 +++ Makefile 2007-12-09 12:47:49.000000000 -0800 @@ -17,8 +17,6 @@ MAINTAINER= lev@FreeBSD.org COMMENT= FSF binutils-2.17 for Windows cross-development -BROKEN= Size mismatch - BINUTILVERSION= 2.17.50 USE_BZIP2= yes --- distinfo.orig 2007-12-09 12:47:32.000000000 -0800 +++ distinfo 2007-12-09 12:50:11.000000000 -0800 @@ -1,3 +1,3 @@ -MD5 (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 7a6d647a0b6aac9bfa5ae7769423a235 -SHA256 (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 2541a51dd66b3f2a3e5e5c7f6325ed62be78d67796bb05e464a4ea188902a9f6 -SIZE (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 15448915 +MD5 (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 740577637f32b0c4cc0347193e303b64 +SHA256 (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 92e9feb669b7a793c86d30d3b0d64c7db27f8592cc4a22906c3af1dc29c7f080 +SIZE (binutils-2.17.50.tar.bz2) = 15452011 --------------000903080704020805070101-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Dec 11 21:37:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F37B16A473 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from makc@issp.ac.ru) Received: from issp1.issp.ac.ru (issp1.issp.ac.ru [77.236.34.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBB313C468 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:37:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from makc@issp.ac.ru) Received: from issp1.issp.ac.ru [77.236.34.3:57845] (HELO/EHLO localhost) by issp1.issp.ac.ru with ESMTP/inet id lBBLMHJ3056843 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:22:18 +0300 (MSK) From: Max Brazhnikov Organization: ISSP RAS To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:19:54 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <475EF525.5080001@mcneil.com> In-Reply-To: <475EF525.5080001@mcneil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712120019.54616.makc@issp.ac.ru> X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0 (issp1.issp.ac.ru [77.236.34.3]); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:22:18 +0300 (MSK) X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Mail Servers on issp1.issp.ac.ru host X-Antivirus-Code: 100000 Subject: Re: mingw32-binutils X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:37:19 -0000 On Tuesday 11 December 2007, Sean McNeil wrote: > I was wondering if and when this port will be fixed. It is obvious that > there was a faulty archive that was used when creating the distinfo. The > following path will resolve the issue and the port build/works just fine: > there are two open PR already: ports/115782 ports/117807 Could someone commit one of them? Please. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 01:16:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EE916A468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rloefgren@forethought.net) Received: from mzpi3.forethought.net (mzpi3.forethought.net [216.241.36.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B33B13C45D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:16:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rloefgren@forethought.net) Received: from 206-124-7-66.denver.dsl.forethought.net ([206.124.7.66] helo=auden.jmla.com) by mz1.forethought.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.51) id 1J25oY-0002Bv-MC for ports@freebsd.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:10:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:10:26 -0700 (MST) From: rloefgren@forethought.net X-X-Sender: rloef@auden.jmla.com To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071211070548.I86020@auden.jmla.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Bug in x11-fm/gnome-commander(?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:16:22 -0000 I just compiled gnome-commander 1.0.0_5 from ports and noticed that when I click on my directory /u2, which is a gmirror device consisting of two 500GB SATA2 drives, gnome-commander tells me there's 5042.2GB free (I wish!) Other than that, it's a nice piece of work. thanks, Reed Loefgren From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 03:33:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA51416A496 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lihong.chen@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.188]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F8A013C455 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:33:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lihong.chen@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so61505rvb.43 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:33:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:sender; bh=4vQ309Wbp/sIlG+ni0YeMbSKg0vd5RMRRWCygYdV/tU=; b=jH/C/2xvBzzKUetcVcsCqEXRq777ZKNk7eh+yL/yPrgtp0Wt6uFXPTxBafF+CsaKyXrFPMzmCTLKmOEsYL6CwLWhOf5hsD95kYktU9Yv9l19chxeDzhKr4EwbE5SLo9gNIjQxAtQZKXrL9ZzIMoFbfS3z5ER7NNFRM6S1kCt//8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:sender; b=TaPQ6tE+lOtLOUNq9FL2rN0W6kTnxpYbmdImxvAttSd30H9ZXeeRVuAZ7vug+W8qJgsY5a646/1wl0YrajVS0VO+ydRT+HxW6kHvTHYIDCBymmChR743pm98qISWYHsdGTMx/uje5J2QTKTq/behTvf37LsuZkjpt7q9cFCYy9c= Received: by 10.140.139.3 with SMTP id m3mr82744rvd.38.1197428815950; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:06:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.10.84? ( [59.125.13.44]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c19sm10560931rvf.2007.12.11.19.06.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:06:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Eric L. Chen" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-a3QXkU35vvFSIr/5c+sL" Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:06:48 +0800 Message-Id: <1197428808.1576.8.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Sender: "Eric L. Chen" Cc: Subject: Fix cannot build mencoder on amd64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:33:10 -0000 --=-a3QXkU35vvFSIr/5c+sL Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I cannot build mencoder on freebsd-7/amd64 successfully, like this: {standard input}: Assembler messages: {standard input}:1289: Error: can't encode register '%ch' in an instruction requiring REX prefix. {standard input}:1290: Error: can't encode register '%ah' in an instruction requiring REX prefix. {standard input}:1291: Error: can't encode register '%dh' in an instruction requiring REX prefix. make[3]: *** [osd.o] Error 1 After tried some guy's patch, it works on FreeBSD too. I tried encoding some DVDs to x264 encoded no any problem found. --=-a3QXkU35vvFSIr/5c+sL Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ports.patch Content-Type: text/x-patch; name=ports.patch; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit diff -urN /usr/ports/multimedia/mencoder/Makefile /usr/ports/multimedia/mencoder/Makefile --- /usr/ports/multimedia/mencoder/Makefile 2007-12-10 09:45:16.000000000 +0800 +++ /usr/ports/multimedia/mencoder/Makefile 2007-12-10 09:46:45.000000000 +0800 @@ -55,7 +55,10 @@ sws-test w32codec_dl.pl wma2ogg.pl x2mpsub.sh .include - +.if ${ARCH} == amd64 +PATCH_SITES+=http://launchpadlibrarian.net/4441618/ +PATCHFILES+=mplayer-0.99+1.0pre8-X64.diff +.endif LIB_DEPENDS+= mp3lame.0:${PORTSDIR}/audio/lame BUILD_DEPENDS+= mplayer:${PORTSDIR}/multimedia/mplayer RUN_DEPENDS+= mplayer:${PORTSDIR}/multimedia/mplayer diff -urN mencoder/distinfo mencoder/distinfo --- /usr/ports/multimedia/mencoder/distinfo 2007-12-10 09:45:16.000000000 +0800 +++ /usr/ports/multimedia/mencoder/distinfo 2007-12-10 09:44:51.000000000 +0800 @@ -4,3 +4,6 @@ MD5 (asmrules_fix_20061231.diff) = f0b71c38b1207c1d604be091876ac051 SHA256 (asmrules_fix_20061231.diff) = 3f71e6f4e07940d4d55084d0df12404371bc4e534a3a6b0756ca73e44ddbc3c4 SIZE (asmrules_fix_20061231.diff) = 1450 +MD5 (mplayer-0.99+1.0pre8-X64.diff) = 47d76978861df599973c9a4822780a1d +SHA256 (mplayer-0.99+1.0pre8-X64.diff) = 5f44021e1d10dcaba72fa391bd49fcfa3a0592a7dd7da6dd5f2325e7c976de3c +SIZE (mplayer-0.99+1.0pre8-X64.diff) = 360 --=-a3QXkU35vvFSIr/5c+sL-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 03:57:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33DD716A41A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282AE13C448 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:57:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC3vVuO006688 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:57:31 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBC3vUUW006678 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:57:30 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:57:30 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200712120357.lBC3vUUW006678@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:57:46 -0000 INDEX build failed with errors: Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..pkg_info: not found acrobatviewer-1.1_1: "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/java/jre" non-existent -- dependency list incomplete ===> print/acrobatviewer failed *** Error code 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. 1 error Committers on the hook: chinsan clsung ijliao linimon lioux rafan sat vanilla Most recent CVS update was: U archivers/lzma/Makefile U archivers/lzma/distinfo U archivers/ppmd-7z/Makefile U archivers/ppmd-7z/distinfo U devel/ncurses-devel/Makefile U devel/ncurses-devel/distinfo U devel/p5-Module-ScanDeps/Makefile U devel/p5-Module-ScanDeps/distinfo U devel/p5-Test-Class/Makefile U devel/p5-Test-Class/distinfo U devel/p5-Test-File/Makefile U devel/p5-Test-File/distinfo U devel/p5-Test-Simple/Makefile U devel/p5-Test-Simple/distinfo U devel/rubygem-fastercsv/Makefile U devel/rubygem-fastercsv/distinfo U devel/rubygem-rapt/Makefile U devel/rubygem-rapt/distinfo U finance/Makefile U finance/p5-Business-TW-Invoice-U420/Makefile U finance/p5-Business-TW-Invoice-U420/distinfo U finance/p5-Business-TW-Invoice-U420/pkg-descr U finance/p5-Business-TW-Invoice-U420/pkg-plist U finance/p5-Business-TW-TSIB-CStorePayment/Makefile U finance/p5-Business-TW-TSIB-CStorePayment/distinfo U finance/p5-Business-TW-TSIB-CStorePayment/pkg-descr U finance/p5-Business-TW-TSIB-CStorePayment/pkg-plist U finance/p5-Business-TW-TSIB-VirtualAccount/Makefile U finance/p5-Business-TW-TSIB-VirtualAccount/distinfo U finance/p5-Business-TW-TSIB-VirtualAccount/pkg-descr U finance/p5-Business-TW-TSIB-VirtualAccount/pkg-plist U games/klavaro/Makefile U games/klavaro/distinfo U games/pyawale/Makefile U games/pyawale/distinfo U games/pyawale/pkg-plist U graphics/rubygem-gruff/Makefile U graphics/rubygem-gruff/distinfo U graphics/rubygem-gruff/pkg-plist U java/Makefile U java/eclipse-findbugs/Makefile U java/eclipse-findbugs/distinfo U java/eclipse-findbugs/pkg-descr U lang/ofc/Makefile U lang/ofc/distinfo U lang/ofc/pkg-plist U net/p5-Net-OAuth/Makefile U net/p5-Net-OAuth/distinfo U science/libsvm/Makefile U science/libsvm/distinfo U science/libsvm/pkg-plist U textproc/p5-XML-TreePP/Makefile U textproc/p5-XML-TreePP/distinfo U www/p5-HTML-Encoding/Makefile U www/p5-HTML-Encoding/distinfo U www/p5-WWW-Mechanize/Makefile U www/p5-WWW-Mechanize/distinfo U www/p5-WWW-Search/Makefile U www/p5-WWW-Search/distinfo U www/p5-WWW-Wikipedia/Makefile U www/p5-WWW-Wikipedia/distinfo U x11-themes/Makefile U x11-themes/kde-icons-nuovext/Makefile U x11-themes/kde-icons-nuovext/distinfo U x11-themes/kde-icons-nuovext/pkg-descr U x11-themes/kde-icons-nuovext/pkg-message U x11-themes/kde-icons-nuovext2/Makefile U x11-themes/kde-icons-nuovext2/distinfo U x11-themes/kde-icons-nuovext2/pkg-descr U x11-themes/kde-icons-nuovext2/pkg-message U x11-themes/kde-icons-os-k/Makefile U x11-themes/kde-icons-os-k/distinfo U x11-themes/kde-icons-os-k/pkg-descr U x11-themes/kde-icons-os-k/pkg-message From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 04:04:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5E516A419 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1891413C455 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:04:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4D35C22189D9; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:04:17 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <475F5DC100000070AB57CC@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140B321B165A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:04:17 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C87552218802 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:04:16 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A0BC012C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:04:16 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:04:16 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20071212040416.GC40969@k7.mavetju> References: <200712120357.lBC3vUUW006678@pointyhat.freebsd.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712120357.lBC3vUUW006678@pointyhat.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Subject: Re: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:04:18 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 03:57:30AM +0000, Erwin Lansing wrote: > INDEX build failed with errors: > Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..pkg_info: not found > acrobatviewer-1.1_1: "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/java/jre" non-existent -- dependency list incomplete > ===> print/acrobatviewer failed > *** Error code 1 > *** Error code 1 It's unfair when portmgr breaks it first! Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 04:48:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D3B16A590 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94D213C442 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:48:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC4mW9c044586 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:48:32 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBC4mWG1044574 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:48:32 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:48:32 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200712120448.lBC4mWG1044574@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:48:47 -0000 INDEX build failed with errors: Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..pkg_info: not found acrobatviewer-1.1_1: "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/java/jre" non-existent -- dependency list incomplete ===> print/acrobatviewer failed *** Error code 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. 1 error Committers on the hook: chinsan clsung ijliao linimon lioux mezz rafan sat tabthorpe vanilla Most recent CVS update was: U MOVED U databases/xapian-core/Makefile U databases/xapian-core/distinfo U databases/xapian-core/pkg-plist U devel/rubygem-inline/Makefile U devel/rubygem-inline/distinfo U lang/mlton/Makefile U lang/munger/Makefile U lang/munger/distinfo U lang/munger/pkg-plist U net/py-s3cmd/Makefile U net/py-s3cmd/distinfo U www/rubygem-mechanize/Makefile U www/rubygem-mechanize/distinfo U www/rubygem-mechanize/pkg-plist U x11-toolkits/gtk20/Makefile U x11-toolkits/gtk20/distinfo U x11-toolkits/gtk20/pkg-plist U x11-toolkits/gtk20/files/patch-ak U x11-toolkits/gtkmm24/Makefile U x11-toolkits/gtkmm24/distinfo U x11-toolkits/gtksourceview2/Makefile U x11-toolkits/gtksourceview2/distinfo U x11-toolkits/libwnck/Makefile U x11-toolkits/libwnck/distinfo U x11-toolkits/py-gnome2/Makefile U x11-toolkits/py-gnome2/distinfo U x11-toolkits/vte/Makefile U x11-toolkits/vte/distinfo U x11-toolkits/vte/pkg-plist U x11-wm/enlightenment/Makefile U x11-wm/enlightenment/files/patch-src_lang.c U x11-wm/nickleby/Makefile U x11-wm/nickleby/distinfo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 04:54:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCABB16A419 for ; 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Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:42:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <475F66A5.1090805@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 23:42:13 -0500 From: Coleman Kane Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Max Brazhnikov References: <475EF525.5080001@mcneil.com> <200712120019.54616.makc@issp.ac.ru> In-Reply-To: <200712120019.54616.makc@issp.ac.ru> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mingw32-binutils X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cokane@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:54:14 -0000 Max Brazhnikov wrote: > On Tuesday 11 December 2007, Sean McNeil wrote: > >> I was wondering if and when this port will be fixed. It is obvious that >> there was a faulty archive that was used when creating the distinfo. The >> following path will resolve the issue and the port build/works just fine: >> >> > > there are two open PR already: > ports/115782 > ports/117807 > > Could someone commit one of them? > Please. > I don't think that this port should reference 2.17.50. This archive is updated regularly as the 2.17 branch is hacked on. You can commit whatever you want to the distinfo file, but next time they upgrade that particular archive with the nightly build, it will be wrong once again. I recommend moving to the latest stable release of version 2.18. -- Coleman From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 05:36:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7B216A419 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4F613C442 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:36:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so279199pyb.3 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:36:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PtE84uAPqTkk26trN4rVkrTLn6mOd0To9PX3DaNkol8=; b=a7/STpu1w8KHMHbtaYj7pZr9K2nmnFGDShp/YPtevZ5sdlu55f0aaXo4ByGBdYAegCSCbsTqVMlPQu4udgravu18WXLyyrPfZ32hB9kUAHjln7LbZY2eiN5h2nzRjxy9v9am0p+dPdEpmwKhpweqGrFvCuktJ42H1x1J0eD/mjY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R8pmbhi3i0bCyAEYx7Jxx//A2lginbSNPmX3lsOKt4RPcKwHof3KhdgRtMr2RdB++mtJhxAyIjyFnL4T9IP5aL6XM4x07sj+5xXVjefMD6acEIe1ifEPiS41hyb9jPfdjJ/jtQa4Z8NA3YBvBhHoUI12i+4STdU6uXZEYr5Uzbg= Received: by 10.65.212.3 with SMTP id o3mr611285qbq.57.1197437762008; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:36:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e16sm2188841qbe.2007.12.11.21.35.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:36:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475F7332.2020501@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:35:46 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:36:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 *PLEASE ONLY REPLY TO ME OR -PORTS@* A few disclaimers: Neither I or anyone else is asking for FreeBSD to incorparate any modifications to the current base system and/or ports collection. If and when any code is developed from this process it will be committed using normal commit and review processes. The following summary of results is based on my eyeballing of answers and should not be interpreted as being any sort of mathematically and/or scientifically valid in any manner. Number of responses: roughly 30 Summary of results: 1. Most respondents stated that both the underlaying OS and the ports collection are equally important. When a preference was shown it was for the underlaying OS in most cases. 2. On average people tend to interact with the port system once or twice a week 3. The single best aspect of the ports system according to respondents is dependency tracking when installing new ports 4. The single worst aspect of the ports system according to respondents is dependency tracking when updating or deleting existing ports 5. Most respondents would not change there answers tothe survey if they where new to FreeBSD 6. Almost all respondents would use a new system if it fixed their personal worst aspect of the current system 7. About 50% of respondents would use a new system if it broke the best aspect of the ports system but fixed the worst aspect 8. Length of FreeBSD usage: rough avr. of 8 years with roughly 3 year std. dev. 9. Prefered install method: ports 10. Usage roughly evenly spread among desktop, development and servers 11. Subsystem ratings (rough avr's): UI: 6 Constancy: 9 Dependancy tracking: 7 Record keeping: 9 Granularity: 9 12. Most users are either sysadmins and/or developers Orginial Survey: As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates if and when needed vary from ASAP to 10-15 years). I have volunteered to undertake a feasibility/pilot project to examine what changes (if any) are needed in the system (for the purposes of this thread I will not venture any of my own suggestions). I have the following broad questions for people: 1. What is more important to your personal use of FreeBSD (the ports system, the underlaying OS, some other aspect)? 2. How frequently do you interact with the ports systems and what is the most common interaction you have with it? 3. What is the single best aspect of the current system? 4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system? 5. If you where a new FreeBSD user how would your answers above change? If you where brand new to UNIX how whould they change? 6. Assuming that there was no additional work on your behalf would you use a new system if it corrected your answer to number 4? 7. Same as question 6 but for your answer on question 3? 8. How long have you used FreeBSD and/or UNIX in general? 9. That is your primary use(s) for your FreeBSD machine(s) (name upto 3)? 10. Assuming there is no functional difference what is your preferred installation method for 3rd party software? 11. On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best) please rate the importance of the following aspects of the ports system? a. User Interface b. Consistency of behaviors and interactions c. Accuracy in dependant port installations d. Internal record keeping e. Granularity's of the port management system 12. Please rate your personal technical skill level? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHX3MyzIOMjAek4JIRAqqjAJ9YlNJW9Uqa21yK+sm1IST+KmO7QACfeum+ 9rhuEkdKX6BKkFZr6WGmbDU= =jhg0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 05:37:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C01616A419 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424BC13C458 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:37:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so280073pyb.3 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:37:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PtE84uAPqTkk26trN4rVkrTLn6mOd0To9PX3DaNkol8=; b=g9HgrLRc5PQIlZR/DNfmM460/gFBOcQ+Fyj6UmCTEyvapk+10UMeyKrXrtbycxSh2GaxGpp9jKvL/P4TuQKtOiWISNdjwxpHIMPrw2RyLP9QUWFpP05rvLf4H+jJOKZQFH6G1lMImaG9U+52vnmo1/kQ8gmV/WNLcCbVtjHePvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aog43f6vR2u6pvpoA/nrRqDKSDnU5p9mCEO7g0FRdh014MbCkboXxYJMYhK8LW55F7tyns4X+KwihxQTYYnN44Vv+qCxl/hdQzzL+PzVIi0In/KOkSxrgLssQT8PYu+4nSRPkAFWQyUiRmpqoHR3z+nZ5qfu8+C0rlBNpghE1UE= Received: by 10.64.193.2 with SMTP id q2mr628722qbf.51.1197437842019; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e15sm6096863qba.2007.12.11.21.37.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:37:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:37:20 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:37:23 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 *PLEASE ONLY REPLY TO ME OR -PORTS@* A few disclaimers: Neither I or anyone else is asking for FreeBSD to incorparate any modifications to the current base system and/or ports collection. If and when any code is developed from this process it will be committed using normal commit and review processes. The following summary of results is based on my eyeballing of answers and should not be interpreted as being any sort of mathematically and/or scientifically valid in any manner. Number of responses: roughly 30 Summary of results: 1. Most respondents stated that both the underlaying OS and the ports collection are equally important. When a preference was shown it was for the underlaying OS in most cases. 2. On average people tend to interact with the port system once or twice a week 3. The single best aspect of the ports system according to respondents is dependency tracking when installing new ports 4. The single worst aspect of the ports system according to respondents is dependency tracking when updating or deleting existing ports 5. Most respondents would not change there answers tothe survey if they where new to FreeBSD 6. Almost all respondents would use a new system if it fixed their personal worst aspect of the current system 7. About 50% of respondents would use a new system if it broke the best aspect of the ports system but fixed the worst aspect 8. Length of FreeBSD usage: rough avr. of 8 years with roughly 3 year std. dev. 9. Prefered install method: ports 10. Usage roughly evenly spread among desktop, development and servers 11. Subsystem ratings (rough avr's): UI: 6 Constancy: 9 Dependancy tracking: 7 Record keeping: 9 Granularity: 9 12. Most users are either sysadmins and/or developers Orginial Survey: As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates if and when needed vary from ASAP to 10-15 years). I have volunteered to undertake a feasibility/pilot project to examine what changes (if any) are needed in the system (for the purposes of this thread I will not venture any of my own suggestions). I have the following broad questions for people: 1. What is more important to your personal use of FreeBSD (the ports system, the underlaying OS, some other aspect)? 2. How frequently do you interact with the ports systems and what is the most common interaction you have with it? 3. What is the single best aspect of the current system? 4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system? 5. If you where a new FreeBSD user how would your answers above change? If you where brand new to UNIX how whould they change? 6. Assuming that there was no additional work on your behalf would you use a new system if it corrected your answer to number 4? 7. Same as question 6 but for your answer on question 3? 8. How long have you used FreeBSD and/or UNIX in general? 9. That is your primary use(s) for your FreeBSD machine(s) (name upto 3)? 10. Assuming there is no functional difference what is your preferred installation method for 3rd party software? 11. On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best) please rate the importance of the following aspects of the ports system? a. User Interface b. Consistency of behaviors and interactions c. Accuracy in dependant port installations d. Internal record keeping e. Granularity's of the port management system 12. Please rate your personal technical skill level? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHX3MyzIOMjAek4JIRAqqjAJ9YlNJW9Uqa21yK+sm1IST+KmO7QACfeum+ 9rhuEkdKX6BKkFZr6WGmbDU= =jhg0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 05:49:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B1A16A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C6A13C45A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:49:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC5nSi7078762 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:49:28 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBC5nS0M078753 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:49:28 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:49:28 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200712120549.lBC5nS0M078753@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 05:49:43 -0000 INDEX build failed with errors: Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..pkg_info: not found acrobatviewer-1.1_1: "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/java/jre" non-existent -- dependency list incomplete ===> print/acrobatviewer failed *** Error code 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. 1 error Committers on the hook: alepulver beech chinsan clsung ijliao linimon lioux marcus mezz mi rafan sat tabthorpe vanilla Most recent CVS update was: U accessibility/gail/Makefile U accessibility/gail/distinfo U accessibility/orca/Makefile U accessibility/orca/distinfo U archivers/file-roller/Makefile U archivers/file-roller/distinfo U databases/evolution-data-server/Makefile U databases/evolution-data-server/distinfo U databases/evolution-data-server/files/patch-calendar_libical_src_libical_icaltz-util.c U deskutils/deskbar-applet/Makefile U deskutils/deskbar-applet/distinfo U deskutils/deskbar-applet/pkg-plist U devel/gnome-vfs/Makefile U devel/gnome-vfs/distinfo U devel/gnome-vfs/pkg-deinstall.in U devel/gnome-vfs/pkg-install.in U devel/gob2/Makefile U devel/gob2/distinfo U devel/libsoup/Makefile U devel/libsoup/distinfo U editors/gedit/Makefile U editors/gedit/distinfo U ftp/lftp/Makefile U ftp/lftp/distinfo U ftp/lftp/pkg-descr U games/darkplaces/Makefile U games/darkplaces/distinfo U games/darkplaces/files/patch-makefile.inc U games/gnome-games/Makefile U games/gnome-games/distinfo U games/gnome-games/pkg-plist U games/quake-dpmod/Makefile U games/quake-dpmod/distinfo U graphics/cairo/Makefile U graphics/cairo/distinfo U graphics/eog/Makefile U graphics/eog/distinfo U graphics/evince/Makefile U graphics/evince/distinfo U graphics/gimp/Makefile U graphics/gimp-app/Makefile U graphics/gimp-app/distinfo U graphics/gimp-app/pkg-plist U graphics/poppler/Makefile U graphics/poppler/distinfo U lang/vala/Makefile U lang/vala/distinfo U lang/vala/pkg-plist U mail/balsa/Makefile U mail/balsa/distinfo U mail/evolution/Makefile U mail/evolution/distinfo U mail/evolution-exchange/Makefile U mail/evolution-exchange/distinfo U multimedia/gstreamer/Makefile U multimedia/gstreamer/distinfo U multimedia/gstreamer/pkg-plist U multimedia/gstreamer-plugins/Makefile U multimedia/gstreamer-plugins/Makefile.common U multimedia/gstreamer-plugins/distinfo U multimedia/gstreamer-plugins/pkg-plist U multimedia/gstreamer-plugins/files/patch-gst-libs_gst_sdp_gstsdpmessage.c U print/lyx/Makefile U print/lyx/distinfo U print/lyx/pkg-plist U security/gnome-keyring/Makefile U security/gnome-keyring/distinfo U sysutils/gnome-power-manager/Makefile U sysutils/gnome-power-manager/distinfo U sysutils/k3b/Makefile U sysutils/k3b/distinfo U sysutils/k3b/pkg-message U www/epiphany/Makefile U www/epiphany/distinfo U www/epiphany/pkg-plist U www/firefox/Makefile U www/firefox/distinfo U www/gtkhtml3/Makefile U www/gtkhtml3/distinfo U x11/gdm/Makefile U x11/gdm/distinfo U x11/gdm/pkg-plist U x11/gdm/files/gdm.in U x11/gnome-desktop/Makefile U x11/gnome-desktop/distinfo U x11/gnome-desktop/pkg-plist U x11/gnome-menus/Makefile U x11/gnome-menus/distinfo U x11/gnome-panel/Makefile U x11/gnome-panel/distinfo U x11/gnome-panel/pkg-plist U x11/gnome-session/Makefile U x11/gnome-session/distinfo U x11/gnome-terminal/Makefile U x11/gnome-terminal/distinfo U x11/gnome2/Makefile U x11/zenity/Makefile U x11/zenity/distinfo U x11/zenity/pkg-plist U x11-themes/gnome-themes/Makefile U x11-themes/gnome-themes/distinfo U x11-toolkits/bakery/Makefile U x11-toolkits/bakery/distinfo U x11-toolkits/bakery/pkg-plist U x11-toolkits/bakery/files/patch-bakery-2.4.pc.in U x11-toolkits/bakery/files/patch-bakery::Makefile.in U x11-toolkits/gigi/Makefile U x11-toolkits/gigi/distinfo U x11-toolkits/gigi/pkg-plist U x11-wm/metacity/Makefile U x11-wm/metacity/distinfo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 06:04:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D359E16A41A for ; 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( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q14sm27710qbq.2007.12.11.22.04.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:04:44 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:04:33 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: scope of the port re-engineering project X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:04:46 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Disclaimer: This does not commit me, anyone else and/or FreeBSD to an course of action nor does it imply such a commitment. Assuming that the following is true: 1. There is a "proven" need to re-engineer the ports system as demostrated by posts to -ports@ and the results of the survey on re-engineering the ports system 2. Any system will correct your own personal "worst aspect" of the ports system but will not do so at the expense of breaking any high level functionality Please answer the following questions: 1. Using the items listed in the next section please select the best scope of the project assuming that 100% backwards compatibility with the current ports system is maintained? 2. Using the items listed in the next section please select the best scope of the project assuming that 100% backwards compatibility with the current ports system is *NOT* maintained? Possible project scopes: a. Refactor the current system only b. Redesign and recoding of the current system c. Attempt to unify all methods of FreeBSD software installation into a single system d. Same as c but for all BSD like OS's -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHX3nxzIOMjAek4JIRApl6AJ9hm3He65CzEM1BcwTa3WEzwU+U1gCcDhoE zTSiNzFKhl0FHkHABsmxVME= =I584 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 06:36:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A72B16A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A3313C45D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:36:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC6aLfs007338 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:36:21 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBC6aLqS007331 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:36:21 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:36:21 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200712120636.lBC6aLqS007331@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX build failed for 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:36:36 -0000 INDEX build failed with errors: Generating INDEX-5 - please wait..pkg_info: not found acrobatviewer-1.1_1: "/a/erwin/tindex/ports/java/jre" non-existent -- dependency list incomplete ===> print/acrobatviewer failed *** Error code 1 *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. *** Error code 1 Stop in /a/erwin/tindex/ports. 1 error Committers on the hook: alepulver beech chinsan clsung ijliao linimon lioux marcus mezz mi rafan sat tabthorpe vanilla Most recent CVS update was: U devel/wxGlade/Makefile U devel/wxGlade/distinfo U devel/wxGlade-devel/Makefile U editors/ghex/Makefile U editors/ghex/distinfo U editors/ghex/pkg-plist U emulators/mame-extras/Makefile U emulators/mame-extras/distinfo U emulators/mame-extras/files/pkg-message.in U emulators/wahcade/Makefile U emulators/wahcade/distinfo U emulators/wahcade/pkg-plist U games/freeorion/Makefile U games/freeorion/distinfo U games/freeorion/pkg-plist U games/r1q2/Makefile U games/r1q2/distinfo U games/r1q2/files/patch-qcommon__qcommon.h U games/tuxmath/Makefile U games/tuxmath/distinfo U games/tuxmath/pkg-descr U games/tuxmath/pkg-plist U games/tuxtype/Makefile U games/tuxtype/distinfo U games/tuxtype/pkg-descr U games/tuxtype/pkg-plist U games/vavoom/Makefile U games/vavoom/distinfo U games/vavoom/pkg-plist U games/vavoom/files/patch-source__Makefile.in U games/vavoom/files/pkg-message.in U games/vavoom-extras/Makefile U games/vavoom-extras/distinfo U games/vavoom-extras/pkg-plist U irc/xchat/Makefile U irc/xchat/files/patch-xc284-fix-scrollbfdleak U net-p2p/qbittorrent/Makefile U net-p2p/qbittorrent/distinfo U net-p2p/qbittorrent/pkg-descr U net-p2p/qbittorrent/pkg-plist U net-p2p/rblibtorrent-devel/Makefile U net-p2p/rblibtorrent-devel/distinfo U net-p2p/rblibtorrent-devel/pkg-plist U textproc/intltool/Makefile U textproc/intltool/distinfo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 07:25:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA2D16A41A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:25:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0480913C4CE for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:25:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2Lxm-0002DS-OT for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:25:02 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:25:02 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:25:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:22:50 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 20 Message-ID: X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:25:08 -0000 Since the so-called package "maintainer" seems to have gone AWOL (as is typical): The version of Ion3 in FreeBSD ports at [1,2] is obsolete (3rc-20070927 is provided, but 3rc-20071109 is more than 28 days old), and must per the license be upgraded, removed, or prominently marked as obsolete. The package also seems to "patch" Ion with the Xinerama module, again violating the license. (The way the package installs it, makes it appear to be an official part of Ion, which it is not, and therefore when it is installed, the result must be considered a modified/patched version of Ion, which requires very explicit requests from the user and prominent notices of unsupportedness.) [1]: http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/x11-wm/ion-3/ [2]: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/local-distfiles/philip/ -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 07:39:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D0316A419 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EECF13C45D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:39:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id B85908C0EE; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:39:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:39:44 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: linimon@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:39:45 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:22:50AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > The version of Ion3 in FreeBSD ports at [1,2] is obsolete (3rc-20070927 > is provided, but 3rc-20071109 is more than 28 days old), and must per > the license be upgraded, removed, or prominently marked as obsolete. I have marked it as DEPRECATED. Note: we've had a ports freeze and updates were not accepted during this time. The maintainer's activity or inactivity is thus not germane. I followed the discussion of your license on the pkgsrc mailing list, fwiw, and do not intend to rehash them here. To our users: if you are interested in seeing this software remain in the FreeBSD Ports Collection, please email me off-list. I have concerns about our ability to keep Mr. Valkonen happy with the way we distribute his code. pkgsrc has already made the decision that they are not able to do so, and have thus deleted it. Other BSDs and distributions may have done so as well. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 07:45:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21EE16A475 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (pointyhat.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::2b]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3AF113C4E3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:45:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erwin@freebsd.org) Received: from pointyhat.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBC7ja1P086928 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:45:36 GMT (envelope-from erwin@pointyhat.freebsd.org) Received: (from erwin@localhost) by pointyhat.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBC7jaDn086926 for ports@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:45:36 GMT (envelope-from erwin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:45:36 GMT From: Erwin Lansing Message-Id: <200712120745.lBC7jaDn086926@pointyhat.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: INDEX now builds successfully on 5.x X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:45:52 -0000 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 07:48:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90C916A41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E28013C4EB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:48:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2MKI-00076Z-7d for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:48:18 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:48:18 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:48:18 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:48:03 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 21 Message-ID: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:48:32 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: > I have marked it as DEPRECATED. And this shows to a user trying to install it, how? > Note: we've had a ports freeze and updates were not accepted during this > time. The maintainer's activity or inactivity is thus not germane. The "maintainer" has not bothered even replying to a similar message I sent him earlier. (Well, if there's something good to be said, at least there was a clear contact address in the package this time. Something that distros tend to hide.) And if he really "maintains" the package, he should have marked is deprecated before the freeze. But distros don't maintain marginal packages, they just throw them in and expect the author to deal with the distro's users with the random snapshot that happened to be there at the megafreeze time. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:02:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7EB16A418 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 970CD13C448 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:02:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C40172218807; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:02:54 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <475F95AE00009DD12BB283@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D18A21B131C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:02:54 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22BBD2218805; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:02:54 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E1FC8249; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:02:53 +1100 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:02:53 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:02:55 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:22:50AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > Since the so-called package "maintainer" seems to have gone AWOL > (as is typical): Have a look at http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/x11-wm/ion-3/Makefile. There have been 8 updates of this piece of software in that time. You state "the version distributed online may not significantly differ from the original author's latest stable release (resp. latest release on the branch) within a reasonable delay (normally 28 days)." You don't say "Not more than 28 days", you suggest 28 days as a reasonable delay for you. Due to the ports freeze there have been no normal software updates for about month in the FreeBSD ports tree. That is a normal delay in the lifecycle of the FreeBSD software. Not everybody is agreeing on it, but it is considered a normal delay. To quote a friend: cvs rm -rf ; cvs commit -m "Your license sucks. Your code sucks. You suck. Happy Christmas." I hope that is not what you were after... Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:09:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F00D16A41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:09:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 093BF13C457 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:09:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 988638C0F5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:09:32 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:09:32 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:09:33 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:48:03AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > And this shows to a user trying to install it, how? ===> NOTICE: This port is deprecated; you may wish to reconsider installing it: is more than 28 days old, which the author states violates his license. Do not contact author. It is scheduled to be removed on or after 2008-01-12. This is normally as fast as we pull out the rug from under existing users' feet. If the above isn't satisfactory, I will immediately remove it from the Ports Collection. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:25:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CA6516A421 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F57013C447 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:25:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2MuN-0005iF-LA for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:25:35 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:25:35 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:25:35 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:25:17 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 13 Message-ID: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:25:53 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: > ===> NOTICE: And this would also stop binary package from being generated for the releases? > This is normally as fast as we pull out the rug from under existing > users' feet. Umm.. how would it do that? -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:34:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D09916A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:34:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B1113C4E7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:34:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2N2i-0007Km-5A for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:34:12 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:34:07 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:34:07 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:34:00 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 27 Message-ID: References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:34:14 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > You don't say "Not more than 28 days", you suggest 28 days as a > reasonable delay for you. Frisbee/the package maintainer not bothering to communicating with me how long the actual delay might be, and would the package end up in a megafrozen state in the new releases, does not sound like a reasonable delay. But no, in the Distro Code of Conduct, it is forbidden to communicate with upstream, to reach an agreement etc. Distros want to do whatever they will, including fucking the author in the arse -- that's what the "freedom" in free software is about. It's not freedom for the author: it's freedom/power for the RIAA and MPAA and Sony and BMG and Warner of FOSS -- the distros. > To quote a friend: > > cvs rm -rf ; cvs commit -m "Your license sucks. Your > code sucks. You suck. Happy Christmas." > > I hope that is not what you were after... Whatever it takes for distros to either start behaving better (communicating with and taking consideration of authors), or simply perishing. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:36:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEC316A41A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0542313C461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:36:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 80FD98C0EB; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:36:58 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:36:58 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:36:59 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:25:17AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: > > ===> NOTICE: > > And this would also stop binary package from being generated > for the releases? No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some period of time to get final packages made and tested -- a time that no one can guarantee will necessarily be less than 28 days. >From the discussion I followed on the pkgsrc mailing list, you obviously either don't understand, or don't care, about this asepct of trying to produce the best working packages for the users of a particular OS. But, I tell you what, as a special favor to you, I'll personally rip ion-3 out of the already-prepared package sets, check to make sure that the port is removed from the Ports Collection, and promulgate a new policy that NO software from you will in the future be accepted into the Ports Collection. Thus, your licenses will be honored, and as an inevitable result, your software will descend even further into complete irrelevance. Will that be acceptable, or is there something else that you would like from me this fine evening? mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:37:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8692616A418 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FEAF13C47E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 1B3668C0EB; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:37:51 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:37:51 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212083751.GB31114@soaustin.net> References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:37:51 -0000 Folks, don't reply any further to this thread. The packages are in the process of being removed, no further software from this author will be accepted, no more drama will be had. Nothing to see here, move along. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:37:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 100C016A51D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:37:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B5513C45D for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:37:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from localhost (marvin-mail [192.168.0.2]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77E87C0B9B; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:37:55 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian) at harmless.hu Received: from marvin.harmless.hu ([192.168.0.2]) by localhost (marvin.harmless.hu [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8WfqEICRl5YQ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:37:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AA67C0AC6; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:37:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:37:54 +0100 From: Gergely CZUCZY To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=x-unknown; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:37:58 -0000 --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:34:00AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-12, Edwin Groothuis wrote: > > You don't say "Not more than 28 days", you suggest 28 days as a > > reasonable delay for you. >=20 > Frisbee/the package maintainer not bothering to communicating with > me how long the actual delay might be, and would the package end > up in a megafrozen state in the new releases, does not sound like > a reasonable delay. But no, in the Distro Code of Conduct, it is > forbidden to communicate with upstream, to reach an agreement etc. > Distros want to do whatever they will, including fucking the author > in the arse -- that's what the "freedom" in free software is about. > It's not freedom for the author: it's freedom/power for the RIAA=20 > and MPAA and Sony and BMG and Warner of FOSS -- the distros.=20 >=20 > > To quote a friend: > > > > cvs rm -rf ; cvs commit -m "Your license sucks. Your > > code sucks. You suck. Happy Christmas." > > > > I hope that is not what you were after... >=20 > Whatever it takes for distros to either start behaving better > (communicating with and taking consideration of authors), or > simply perishing. I don't use Ion3, and I never intend to, but to be honest, this licence of yours really seems to be very unreasonable. It's just silly, nothing more. Sincerely, Gergely Czuczy mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu --=20 Weenies test. Geniuses solve problems that arise. --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) owFlVb9vHEUUNokAaQVFJCQkqqdrAvLt+s52sLkkhy+OYw5kEmErFoqUaHZ3dnfi 3ZllftxxLihoQIgC0ZJAiSiQKBDKH0CHRE3LH0BJQ8U3c3d2oqxOutk3b7733ve+ N/vNqxdXLlz685df761+/e13L/z80r10tXHWyjJumJ4IGfd7vX68tfV2/514M+5n V9a3tjc3r2yyLEs32P6Dx3/vKmm5tPHRrOUDsvxTu9bWTMirlFVMG26vO1vE29HS 76YwrTLCCiUHJGQtJD/bO9JMmoLreE9mKheyHNAnTlmex60W0rK05lF0W9Ixz7t0 k2fUX+/Seq+3RcxSb3uwsTno9UYHtNrD06UjpxpFd1l9oiSXNNWAGkRDAoI/FPfX Yw+wl0+FpH2tlK2cMHSNe8NOwybcPnSJ0uXw/OyQPlaOciUvWzJsRp0PlaVGaU62 YsDdppzNTKdLM7gZV5bc2KWVGH4BQ3NmlPT1UM5rwBRK+xNJNLy+3oPLLS1Myvma rTi1LDthJaeGeQ7AlyaJoCnS5aClJKsoU03jpMiY9YapsBVAGk6VmlKtvA+AWGYd qxcRG1FWAOFdYjKnqXJ1Tk9H4zIHhGvRI2KAKlmh1SloNJZZ7q3eW/IpiqlRDjdd 0MJNyM0oB9BanHBgsOfKTeiGs3DsLmEgCqsV7aqckyrwL3OXWWxbEgYQoCcVeY7o z9TKQ6VIEqc5a7p+F4usQk3ESs15A1kRtxmIXQQxNGWwwTNXNK0AMgGhSGIGsLr2 KWW18+KjwmUnYsmds5XSQFlk7KVNcey7bi+bABTsnQJRc9V0vKNfg4vCThkEAmmx VDnrcxn7Q56phXsQwHkcTIZ3WGyutWqKHJcuH41Ho7lKfOcO7oxGYXGo5Cwsbhzs h/9jpr1WwOet24eH82TRgDkLSUCYwwzpSM0HDb0qtEDrg9TDln+yiSHdUKwLupbW rBpeDSbfCHQobqiDodDod8YlaDHgzSTkJ0WfY/jePrUT1li+x9p2RrsVBG8bZpLO WeQx1NuGufIqCGwFmv1kgQ8kW1iuk+RsaI6X3URSlp1Ai56yRcG+41z4kfEK1l76 FZv49qbcAgfn33x+igKRwPLvmZJG5Fwzf3d5Wue9Mm91KSjDiKatZ9RiKE2FA0k0 XlwUDqSMldyYz9oYUxOy9Jce0DEGqQuKTP3AStwYUHIF4QdCszASKFobL+4aIQyE bRYHgDQjJ89HLJmL66EzNjJQ9KzrqfMJhXsqiaJDSBz8YSeK9rkusaLdU5edziLc MbVVAyrn5iQL5h3c5E3NjUkqF0Vx7Ok+5lwKUGyRbkL7eEGVBmqvJ7hEtEImPkff MAZCEPfLdy++uOI/GcvvzaULr/+38viNJ0/+Gd1Jv3r/tVcevPz957/91cg/Vn74 7IsfY3lX/7SyV+/c//f33Q8ePbr/Pw== =7mAP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --8t9RHnE3ZwKMSgU+-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:44:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D2316A418 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:44:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7477713C457 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:44:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2NCh-0000Cn-Ki for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:44:31 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:44:31 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:44:31 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:44:48 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: > No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of > the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some Distro Quality Assurance... ROTFLMAO. I have fixed numerous bugs since 20070927 was released. What have you done? I bet there has been _zero_ "quality assurance" done by you (Frisbee) wrt. Ion3. No, you just throw it in, freeze it, and call that "quality assurance", and then expect the authors to deal with the users using the buggy releases that you distribute, and that the authors themselves have fixed ages ago in their real quality assurance -- the RC stage. The distros don't even bother checking whether the software is in "development snapshot" stage -- the still distribute megafrozen snapshots without prominently mentioning this. That's distro "quality assurance" for you. > your software will descend even further into complete irrelevance. That's quite appropriate, since FOSS has become completely irrelevant to me. Windows is simply the better OS nowadays. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:50:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35C716A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A26C113C46E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:50:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2NI2-0000y8-Ib for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:50:02 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:50:02 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:50:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:47:03 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 11 Message-ID: References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:50:06 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Gergely CZUCZY wrote: > I don't use Ion3, and I never intend to, but to be honest, this > licence of yours really seems to be very unreasonable. It's just > silly, nothing more. I could make it GPLv3 and nagware at the same time. Sistros would still have modify and consequently rename it to distribute something worth using. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 08:57:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B1516A421 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:57:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from mail.lovett.com (foo.lovett.com [67.134.38.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66B113C461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:57:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from inferno.canal.lovett.com ([172.16.32.23]:57037) by mail.lovett.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J2NPI-000MYD-Pe; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:57:32 -0800 Message-Id: <705D81FB-A85E-49B2-B41A-233392106282@FreeBSD.org> From: Ade Lovett To: Tuomo Valkonen In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:57:32 -0800 References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: ade@lovett.com Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:57:33 -0000 On Dec 12, 2007, at 00:47 , Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > I could make it GPLv3 and nagware at the same time. Sistros would > still have modify and consequently rename it to distribute something > worth using. Let me use simple words here. ion-3. is. gone. nuked. squished. byebye. Now, I could spend a few sentences rambling on about how your license sucks, your code sucks and, quite frankly, your attitude to OSS sucks. But this is a public mailing list, with children watching. So I won't. Y'all have a Happy Christmas now, y'hear? -aDe From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 09:04:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2785216A420 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:04:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2B3813C46A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 8EC658C0EB; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:04:27 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:04:27 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212090427.GA31920@soaustin.net> References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:04:28 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:47:03AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > I could make it GPLv3 and nagware at the same time. Yes, and you could put on makeup, shave your armpits, put on a ballerina's dress, and declare yourself Queen of Saturn And All Its Moons for all it matters to FreeBSD now. We can make enough of our own drama here, thanks. Please take your own, and see what a wonderful reception it will get in the Windows world. (Free hint: they already have a windows manager built-in. Get it?) mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 09:13:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2B6C16A420 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:13:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from mail.lovett.com (foo.lovett.com [67.134.38.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769BD13C478 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from inferno.canal.lovett.com ([172.16.32.23]:57063) by mail.lovett.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J2NeJ-000MhO-G5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:13:03 -0800 Message-Id: <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> From: Ade Lovett To: Aryeh M. Friedman In-Reply-To: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:13:03 -0800 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: ade@lovett.com Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:13:04 -0000 [admin note: cut down on ridiculous crossposting] On Dec 11, 2007, at 21:37 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Number of responses: roughly 30 I just wanted to pick up on this particular number. Your survey went to (at least) freebsd-ports, freebsd-current, freebsd- stable, and freebsd-questions. Judging by the original cc's on this message, it would appear that freebsd-chat and freebsd-hackers were also somehow involved, but not being subscribed to those lists, I wouldn't know. Now, would you care to guess at the number of subscribers on those lists? Hint, total number is in the thousands. Let's, for the sake of argument, call it 3,000. (It is, of course, much higher) But, given this finger-in-the-air readership number, by your own admission, you have hit exactly 1% of a self-selected group (by virtue of being subscribed to the lists in question). Let's not even mention the bazillions (technical term) of FreeBSD consumers that don't subscribe to any list. And from this, you extrapolate new concepts which conveniently involve others doing the heavy lifting. I'm done being nice with you. Get a grip. Show some code. Heck, show some *prototypes* of code. But don't hide behind "I don't want my views to color things" when it is patently obvious to anyone at or above the sentient level of a single celled organism that you really have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The cast-off line at this point would be to point you in the direction of . Only, in this case, I wouldn't wish that on my penguin-orientated friends. -aDe From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 09:25:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C66416A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:25:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A1B13C469 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so465185pyb.3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:25:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+QtD/kW+cxCSuHVDORF81BpLp7f1hOR7h/1LrIX+3Zs=; b=wYRJZKezUEa+5DIJEGVhUG0NC89Y1io3q9M9fBLIv//Ntrf9f6lSJ31El7zbrcNxvpWI6RFChUmMp+rpiPGu4AVKiPiW5G9zN7fSqfenTVjAHPoMGFNmuIKLH3K3ST7AIrjMuEKZ5G4c+cIwPd+c12lwNK29L6Qe1zeZd4Zk5lY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O4QFczaIc/9GCzhcFy/Cwlfs17jU4ToAOgNUDhXY0XcnUINbObk07tQDaQdAiKBZNe5Yp+gmmxrrZn1t+dbIdcGNskCRUzkjD3ZiV7pUS01ewWkfRBKKMBlJiMPKTo3fCiAfuY3CbSVFZMD8au6eorDF5kXOP7lyA2gj42n/4qU= Received: by 10.65.119.14 with SMTP id w14mr1078229qbm.23.1197451525441; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q17sm4575864qbq.2007.12.12.01.25.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:25:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475FA902.9010204@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:25:22 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tuomo Valkonen References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:25:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First of all this is not a criticism of you but of the FreeBSD and FOSS community Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-12, Gergely CZUCZY wrote: >> I don't use Ion3, and I never intend to, but to be honest, this >> licence of yours really seems to be very unreasonable. It's just >> silly, nothing more. > > I could make it GPLv3 and nagware at the same time. Sistros would > still have modify and consequently rename it to distribute something > worth using. Taking the project closed source and/or in some other way denying open access to the code is not your only option to protect your legit rights as a developer. There is a middle ground that my company and several other MicroISV's have developed over the last few years with one of them doing over a million in sales using the model. The basic idea is find an appropriate mix of restrictions on tech free loaders and the legitimate right of users to not be completely locked into your internal development model. Specifically you are allowed to charge for copies of your work, even modified ones, as long you pass certain rewards onto to contributors for more info see the following blogs I wrote on the subject (and they contain links to the rest of the community): http://www.flosoft-systems.com/flosoft_systems_community/blogs/aryeh/FOSS.php http://www.flosoft-systems.com/flosoft_systems_community/blogs/aryeh/SIW_Background.php http://www.flosoft-systems.com/flosoft_systems_community/blogs/aryeh/RCS.php -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHX6kCzIOMjAek4JIRAogeAJoCC9vLTZ9Pl/nm/hK5/zT+LgeBMgCeKq2t OZrj7+BdPvO6+lQ8ridv+5I= =OCsN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 09:26:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D26016A419 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuomov@modeemi.cs.tut.fi) Received: from mail.cs.tut.fi (mail.cs.tut.fi [130.230.4.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC31F13C4CC for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuomov@modeemi.cs.tut.fi) Received: from amavis2.cs.tut.fi (amavis2.cs.tut.fi [130.230.4.70]) by mail.cs.tut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDF36BF11; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:08:10 +0200 (EET) Received: from mail.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.4.42]) by amavis2.cs.tut.fi (amavis2.cs.tut.fi [130.230.4.70]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00336-06-6; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:08:10 +0200 (EET) Received: from modeemi.modeemi.cs.tut.fi (modeemi.modeemi.cs.tut.fi [130.230.72.134]) by mail.cs.tut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347A6BF0A; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:08:09 +0200 (EET) Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi (jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi [130.230.72.144]) by modeemi.modeemi.cs.tut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id E483E4E340; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:08:09 +0200 (EET) Received: by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi (Postfix, from userid 17301) id D56B5501A8; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:08:09 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:08:09 +0200 From: Tuomo Valkonen To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20071212090809.GA24928@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> <20071212090427.GA31920@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071212090427.GA31920@soaustin.net> X-Archive: encrypt X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3B2A 89E6 9468 6DC4 FEEF D6F6 D00C A21E C004 251B X-PGP-Key: http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/gpg.txt.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.2 Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:26:19 -0000 On 2007-12-12 03:04 -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > (Free hint: they already have a windows manager built-in. Get it?) That's the only thing FOSS operating systems have going for them... and no thanks to FOSS herd. I bet that if the desktop herd were to redesign X, they'd take away the possibility for a separate WM. They are making life for alternative WMs harder all the time, after all. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 09:38:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1164D16A420 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:38:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABF3013C46B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:38:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so476188pyb.3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:38:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/4bGGnYL9DLi3QDJ2g17haqsD7u6sPpBzpV0LVsk9Tk=; b=LhDswQd2nHgmQSCI/Kh3GOqKNVwN+75hmsL7WI4BpQ6e4psdW3JbbJdIr/00QoBX6867rQRDBdr5NQqFMnwk7kpvL2cqZSCudHAaMevxqMyXjnvkWpGx1kyd0SztLyi1w/A01Ixxk/64etGteqVYsKBxdqQh11VrBzjq6RVc0yk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=k3bKcGylc2xs2Lz/qMmlcmegngcf+EWEAqKy6G/jm63hM3fecWHQ+ewCwX0kPdNWL/Wwxbg55KXY8e58JWMWUpAG7Xt7VTNRbGC9uIFvIK4RbtPM7b61ut5qt3mCmI4ijdjz3XfNh1XytEXiZPxZ1qxtx92x++424spQwQiNZ8g= Received: by 10.65.138.4 with SMTP id q4mr1094775qbn.29.1197452322185; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:38:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q19sm76687qbq.2007.12.12.01.38.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:38:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:38:39 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ade Lovett References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:38:44 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ade Lovett wrote: > [admin note: cut down on ridiculous crossposting] > > On Dec 11, 2007, at 21:37 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> Number of responses: roughly 30 > > I just wanted to pick up on this particular number. > > Your survey went to (at least) freebsd-ports, freebsd-current, > freebsd-stable, and freebsd-questions. > > Judging by the original cc's on this message, it would appear that > freebsd-chat and freebsd-hackers were also somehow involved, but > not being subscribed to those lists, I wouldn't know. The orginal survey was posted to all the cc'ed groups and while I didn't track it the responses seemed to be evenly spread across all of them. > > Now, would you care to guess at the number of subscribers on those > lists? Hint, total number is in the thousands. > > Let's, for the sake of argument, call it 3,000. (It is, of course, > much higher) > > But, given this finger-in-the-air readership number, by your own > admission, you have hit exactly 1% of a self-selected group (by > virtue of being subscribed to the lists in question). Let's not > even mention the bazillions (technical term) of FreeBSD consumers > that don't subscribe to any list. > > And from this, you extrapolate new concepts which conveniently > involve others doing the heavy lifting. First of all excuse my language but I have about had it with certain people... where the *HELL* do you get the idea that I am attempting to get other people to do the heavy lifting or have you not learned a single f***'ing thing from the last 30 years of software engineering (i.e. involve the user from the very beginning)... I said right in the f***'ing disclaimer that this is not an attempt to get permission from anyone to do anything and/or any type of project plan as of yet it is *ONLY* an attempt to define the problem so that a good (instead of one I "think" is good) solution can be designed.... and no to what ever fantasy land you live in I am not asking anyone to do anything I am not able and willing to do (I am going to send you a private reply after this to show why for my own personal well being this is a very bad idea) > > I'm done being nice with you. > > Get a grip. Show some code. Heck, show some *prototypes* of code. > But don't hide behind "I don't want my views to color things" when > it is patently obvious to anyone at or above the sentient level of > a single celled organism that you really have absolutely no idea > what you're talking about. I only said that during the survey.... while I still want to gather more data to pin down the exact requirements the general outline of the solutions seems to be shaping up to be: * 100% backwards compatibility * Avoid the issues raised in Miller97 (see previous posts for URL) * Allow for mult-layered dependancies (i.e. base dependancies on port name only not on version number *BUT* allow specific versions to be listed as depends) * Depending on the results of the scope survey extend this to all *BSD's if possible to make it so if anyone ports something then everyone gets it also * A few other minor tweaks that really aren't large enough for a general discussion of the issue Now a question for you if the goal is truly improve the system not what I "think" it means to improve it how the hell am I supposed to do this with out some information gathering. > > The cast-off line at this point would be to point you in the > direction of . Only, in this case, I wouldn't > wish that on my penguin-orientated friends. Hint: I have used linux for perhaps a total of a week and hated every minute of it I would rather use NT, but I have used FreeBSD since '95 and except for jerks like you have really enjoyed it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHX6wezIOMjAek4JIRAoD5AJ9Mzcp5S+JScnqPadNeMPZG1hUPggCcCuaD x1u10QapYNgg5/uOuhyZh5Y= =W0ri -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 09:46:22 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD4316A41A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB9513C461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:46:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2OAC-0005Qr-VW for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:46:00 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:46:00 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:46:00 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:45:39 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 61 Message-ID: References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> <475FA902.9010204@gmail.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:46:22 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Taking the project closed source and/or in some other way denying open > access to the code is not your only option to protect your legit > rights as a developer. I'm not denying access to the code (not yet anyway; I'll probably move to license-free closed-source -- for windows -- in future projects). I just want distros to behave a bit better: to call things by their real names, and mark obsolete versions as obsolete. The present variant of the terms of license are: --- Copyright (c) Tuomo Valkonen 1999-2007. Unless otherwise indicated in components taken from elsewhere, this software is licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public License, version 2.1 ("LGPL", reproduced below), extended and modified with the following terms: If the name Ion(tm) or other names that can be associated with the Ion project are used to distribute this software, then: - A version that does not significantly differ from one of the copyright holder's releases, must be provided by default. - Versions not based on the copyright holder's latest release (on the corresponding "branch", such as Ion3(tm)), must within 28 days of this release, be prominently marked as (potentially) obsolete and unsupported. - Significantly altered versions may be provided only if the user explicitly requests for those modifications to be applied, and is prominently notified that the software is no longer considered the standard version, and is not supported by the copyright holder. The version string displayed by the program must describe these modifications and the "support void" status. Versions for which the above conditions are not satisfied, must be renamed so that they can not be associated with the Ion project, their executables must be given names that do not conflict with the copyright holder's version, and neither the copyright holder nor the Ion project may be referred to for support. In the text of sections 0-2, 4-12, and 14-16 of the LGPL, "this License" is to be understood to refer to the LGPL extended with these terms and, where applicable, possible similar terms related to the names of other works forming a whole. Sections 3 and 13 of the LGPL are void. Where contradictory, these additional terms are primary to the LGPL. End of terms. --- So, these terms only affect distros, not users. You're also free to use the code; you just have to pay attention to how you call it when you distribute it. But even modified versions can be distributed as "Ion" provided that the user explicitly requests for those modifications (typically in source-based package systems). -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 09:55:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9491B16A468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:55:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754D513C461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:55:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 66F151CC07E; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:55:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 01:55:43 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212095543.GA61550@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> <475FA902.9010204@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:55:43 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 09:45:39AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > The present variant of the terms of license are: Have you considered the WTFPL alternative? http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 10:01:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 217AF16A419 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:01:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout4.cac.washington.edu (mxout4.cac.washington.edu [140.142.33.19]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E12C913C46A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:01:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.9] (may be forged)) by mxout4.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBCA1INx030103 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:01:18 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.1.113] (c-76-22-52-184.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.22.52.184]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBCA1HX0019293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:01:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <26C6B874-39AD-42B9-AB37-0C59CF8A0362@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:01:17 -0800 To: Tuomo Valkonen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.12.14544 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:01:19 -0000 On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:44 AM, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: >> No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of >> the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some > > Distro Quality Assurance... ROTFLMAO. > > I have fixed numerous bugs since 20070927 was released. What have > you done? I bet there has been _zero_ "quality assurance" done by > you (Frisbee) wrt. Ion3. No, you just throw it in, freeze it, and > call that "quality assurance", and then expect the authors to deal > with the users using the buggy releases that you distribute, and > that the authors themselves have fixed ages ago in their real > quality assurance -- the RC stage. The distros don't even bother > checking whether the software is in "development snapshot" stage > -- the still distribute megafrozen snapshots without prominently > mentioning this. > > That's distro "quality assurance" for you. > >> your software will descend even further into complete irrelevance. > > That's quite appropriate, since FOSS has become completely irrelevant > to me. Windows is simply the better OS nowadays. > > -- > Tuomo I'm sorry but I really beg to differ with you. Vista sucks it long and sucks it hard... I install/personalize that OS on many PCs for Geek Squad, and I tell you it's really lame... The fact that one needs to install virus / spyware protection on any OS.. it's really, really sad. Microsoft is improving their development / use model, but it still ain't there (poetically). Some devs (in a different respect) are being egocentric and are making things shiny instead of usable. There's a reason why I recommend Macs to new customers :). -Garrett From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 10:08:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF00916A46E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuomov@modeemi.cs.tut.fi) Received: from mail.cs.tut.fi (mail.cs.tut.fi [130.230.4.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76D3913C467 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:08:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuomov@modeemi.cs.tut.fi) Received: from amavis2.cs.tut.fi (amavis2.cs.tut.fi [130.230.4.70]) by mail.cs.tut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D7F18380; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:47 +0200 (EET) Received: from mail.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.4.42]) by amavis2.cs.tut.fi (amavis2.cs.tut.fi [130.230.4.70]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13588-05-17; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:47 +0200 (EET) Received: from modeemi.modeemi.cs.tut.fi (modeemi.modeemi.cs.tut.fi [130.230.72.134]) by mail.cs.tut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFD91837C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:47 +0200 (EET) Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi (jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi [130.230.72.144]) by modeemi.modeemi.cs.tut.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05ADF4E340; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:47 +0200 (EET) Received: by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi (Postfix, from userid 17301) id EAD6F501A8; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:46 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:08:46 +0200 From: Tuomo Valkonen To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: <20071212100846.GB30443@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> <475FA902.9010204@gmail.com> <20071212095543.GA61550@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071212095543.GA61550@eos.sc1.parodius.com> X-Archive: encrypt X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3B2A 89E6 9468 6DC4 FEEF D6F6 D00C A21E C004 251B X-PGP-Key: http://modeemi.fi/~tuomov/gpg.txt.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.2 Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:08:49 -0000 On 2007-12-12 01:55 -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > Have you considered the WTFPL alternative? http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl/ No, but I've considered simply having no license. No, not public domain, but "license-free" as djb distributes his stuff. Aka. the "Piratic License": "Do what the fuck you want as long as you don't piss me off." -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 10:17:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EB1A16A41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B0D513C458 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2Oen-00029R-PH for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:37 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:37 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:37 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:30 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <26C6B874-39AD-42B9-AB37-0C59CF8A0362@u.washington.edu> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:17:43 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Garrett Cooper wrote: > I'm sorry but I really beg to differ with you. Vista sucks it long > and sucks it hard... There are some improvements in Vista UI-wise (within the suffocating confines of WIMPshit). But unfortunately it has also falling victim to the industry-wide trend of anti-aliasing fascism. XP was the last OS with good-looking fonts: in Vista you can't disable them completely (at least not easily), fontconfit/Xft are well-known to be AA/XML-fascist, it being practically impossible to configure to get decent fonts, especially if you don't have root access. OS X also AFAIK needs special hacky extensions to disable blurring and still afaik doesn't support hinting, so the fonts rasterise poorly. > There's a reason why I recommend Macs to new customers :). Macs are too much like Gnome. Between Mac/Gnome and Windows/KDE, I'll take the latter. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 10:28:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D0516A468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334F313C44B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id DB7D28C0F5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:28:10 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:28:10 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212102810.GA2244@soaustin.net> References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> <475FA902.9010204@gmail.com> <20071212095543.GA61550@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <20071212100846.GB30443@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071212100846.GB30443@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:28:11 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:08:46PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > "Do what the fuck you want as long as you don't piss me off." I personally consider this to be the null set. No one but you seems to be able to figure out what this is. It certainly doesn't seem to consist of "do whatever you want with this (theoretcially) GPLed software, but don't contact me" -- which, after all, would in and of itself be a reasonable position. (IMHO) Look, dude: we deleted your software -- all of it -- and two hours later you're still trying to find something to throw a fit about. It's gone, over, done, flushed, dead, buried, down the Sewey Hole, out with the used kitty litter, sent to /dev/null, pushing up the daisies, dwelling with Elvis on his UFO, gone Across The Ocean with Bilbo, on Amelia Earhart's last flight, in Judge Crater's suitcase, in Jimmy Hoffa's day-planner, gone to be with St. Francis, and singing in the Choir Invisible. The intersection of "ion-3" and "FreeBSD" is now congruent to the Vacuum Of Deep Space. Except with less free hydrogen atoms. So, please go away now. I am out of similes. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 10:36:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7164816A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CA2613C469 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:36:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2Ox2-0006Bb-FE for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:36:28 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:36:28 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:36:28 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:36:23 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> <475FA902.9010204@gmail.com> <20071212095543.GA61550@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <20071212100846.GB30443@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> <20071212102810.GA2244@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:36:48 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:08:46PM +0200, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: >> "Do what the fuck you want as long as you don't piss me off." > > I personally consider this to be the null set. No one but you > seems to be able to figure out what this is. If I don't even know that you're even using my software, you can't individually piss me off. Big and powerful distros can, easily. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 10:39:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCE716A41A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@FreeBSD.org) Received: from andxor.it (relay.andxor.it [195.223.2.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C158413C4F7 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:39:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ale@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 61920 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2007 10:12:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ale.andxor.it) (192.168.2.5) by andxor.it with SMTP; 12 Dec 2007 10:12:49 -0000 Message-ID: <475FB421.4050906@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:12:49 +0100 From: Alex Dupre User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071126) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tuomo Valkonen References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> <475FA902.9010204@gmail.com> <20071212095543.GA61550@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <20071212100846.GB30443@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> In-Reply-To: <20071212100846.GB30443@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:39:34 -0000 Tuomo Valkonen ha scritto: > No, but I've considered simply having no license. No, not public > domain, but "license-free" as djb distributes his stuff. FYI, djb switched to public domain a few weeks ago :-) -- Alex Dupre From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 10:46:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 075B416A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:46:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4D913C45A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:46:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6CE7B8C0F5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:46:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:46:42 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212104642.GA2973@soaustin.net> References: <20071212080253.GD40969@k7.mavetju> <20071212083753.GA77619@harmless.hu> <475FA902.9010204@gmail.com> <20071212095543.GA61550@eos.sc1.parodius.com> <20071212100846.GB30443@jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi> <20071212102810.GA2244@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:46:43 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:36:23AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > Big and powerful distros can [piss me off], easily. Ah, that should let FreeBSD off the hook, then. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 11:45:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6A616A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from mail.lovett.com (foo.lovett.com [67.134.38.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1903413C465 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:45:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from inferno.canal.lovett.com ([172.16.32.23]:57332) by mail.lovett.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J2Q1w-000O9M-Lq; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:45:36 -0800 Message-Id: <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> From: Ade Lovett To: Aryeh M. Friedman In-Reply-To: <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 03:45:36 -0800 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: ade@lovett.com Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:45:37 -0000 On Dec 12, 2007, at 01:38 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > First of all excuse my language but I have about had it with certain > people... Presumably that would be me. > where the *HELL* do you get the idea that I am attempting to > get other people to do the heavy lifting or have you not learned a > single f***'ing thing from the last 30 years of software engineering > (i.e. involve the user from the very beginning).. And you've involved, at best, 1% of the user base. More likely 0.01%. Do we need to talk statistics again? > I said right in the f***'ing disclaimer that this is not an attempt > to get permission from > anyone to do anything and/or any type of project plan as of yet it is > *ONLY* an attempt to define the problem so that a good (instead of one > I "think" is good) solution can be designed.... I have yet to see any coherent definition that a problem even exists. That's not to say the current situation is perfect, it certainly isn't. Those of "us" that have dealt with the ports tree for any length of time are well aware of its shortcomings. We're also well aware that making anything but baby-step changes along a larger path is destined to failure. Now, if y'all have concrete and plausible solutions for actual problems, we're all ears. But in the meantime, it's just another re- run of "this sucks, it can be done better", without any concrete *proof* of the latter. We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of the current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even still works. If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty of. Code talks. -aDe From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 12:39:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF3D16A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lanza.delrayo@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5500713C4EC for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:39:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lanza.delrayo@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so198335rvb.43 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:39:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; bh=5MVr2cxA0BX1t+siZ/FGd+lP/JEq/LQcRcQgBaXAx+4=; b=AABTBJcgCxfXQ8RLNznPM/A8EFdM3XPG/9RqC0EhLp1uOKldKv11r2C92a6rVYCvFpDPPctprMlvtY84Gc6gdK43idIIl0STuGoRh63SRpBH0aoV4S6hREaSCu7A5GeAlrop/uGvRe+upUiAdktFqEDLO5zrRYDTWoeV3zy1BXk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:x-google-sender-auth; b=Ls3fhFeSWyZL6UHXnYee6n6E3aAbZav66Mg1RJ32yqM4Rx1b+i3lDIIXpfS4zAkDA6ZFvLkKPu4m3pRotyR56Ns5IfXBfgO59JEpn39Zb4x4BFV43JS97vhlyKrMdM2klYCdZL5DtcJy0lqNiXkhIWWh3VIOZmenSXXwrgDDhwA= Received: by 10.141.179.5 with SMTP id g5mr281231rvp.76.1197461553725; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:12:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.210.3 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 04:12:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <9b705e130712120412l4be2493i4174ed2d42d86570@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:12:33 -0600 From: "Lance Ward" Sender: lanza.delrayo@gmail.com To: "stas@FreeBSD.org" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0d6d199b5ad36f30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "ports@FreeBSD.org" Subject: FreeBSD Port: enlightenment-20070223_1,1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:39:17 -0000 Hi, I see from the FreeBSD ports page that you are the maintainer of the Enlightenment package and I was just wondering if there were any plans for an update. Thank you, Lance From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 13:59:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98B816A418 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5261113C47E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCDxdKs099855; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:59:40 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <475FE959.5080204@math.missouri.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:59:53 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071203 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scope of the port re-engineering project X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:59:55 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Disclaimer: > > This does not commit me, anyone else and/or FreeBSD to an course > of action nor does it imply such a commitment. > > Assuming that the following is true: > > 1. There is a "proven" need to re-engineer the ports system as > demostrated by posts to -ports@ and the results of the survey on > re-engineering the ports system > > 2. Any system will correct your own personal "worst aspect" of the > ports system but will not do so at the expense of breaking any high > level functionality > > Please answer the following questions: > > 1. Using the items listed in the next section please select the best > scope of the project assuming that 100% backwards compatibility with > the current ports system is maintained? > > 2. Using the items listed in the next section please select the best > scope of the project assuming that 100% backwards compatibility with > the current ports system is *NOT* maintained? > > Possible project scopes: > > a. Refactor the current system only > b. Redesign and recoding of the current system > c. Attempt to unify all methods of FreeBSD software installation into > a single system > d. Same as c but for all BSD like OS's I'm not sure what the words "refactor" and "recode" mean here. If I had lots of time on my hands, I think I would redo ports _without_ using "make" as its primary scripting tool. Mind you, I'm not sure what I would use in its place - perhaps its own scripting tool written from scratch? The difficulty with using "make" is that it isn't linear. For example (and this was my bugbear), to figure out "make -V PKGNAME" the program has to read and process every single line of the makefile, including all of its ".includes". And while perhaps this issue is a bit frivolous, nevertheless I bet that this is one of the reasons why people creating ports make mistakes setting up the dependencies. Finally, I really do like the difference between ports and packages. Please keep both of the "build from source" and "install binaries" capabilities. If you really do all the heavy lifting, it is something I will admire. Not least because you might do all this work and find people are too conservative to use it. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 14:04:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4546A16A479 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from heka.cenkes.org (heka.cenkes.org [208.79.80.110]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB25313C455 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:04:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sat@cenkes.org) Received: from amilo.cenkes.org (ppp85-141-135-176.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [85.141.135.176]) (Authenticated sender: sat) by heka.cenkes.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981C6242F830; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:04:04 +0300 (MSK) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:04:02 +0300 From: Andrew Pantyukhin To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071212140401.GN51627@amilo.cenkes.org> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> X-OS: FreeBSD 8.0-CURRENT amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: infofarmer@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:04:06 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 04:38:39AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > I have used FreeBSD since '95 and except for jerks like you > have really enjoyed it. Are you quite sure it would be there to enjoy if not for jerks like us? :) From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 14:42:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3458F16A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:42:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C605613C4E1 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F43EBC3C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:23:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:23:10 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-Id: <20071212092310.bfa96bfb.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:42:07 -0000 In response to Tuomo Valkonen : > On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: > > No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of > > the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some > > Distro Quality Assurance... ROTFLMAO. If we're taking a vote, I vote for the following: a) We ban Tuomo from our lists. b) We remove all his software from the ports and refuse to accept any more by him. The guy is obviously just around to start flame wars. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 15:06:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8427A16A417; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:06:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vd@v5d.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3109413C455; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:06:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vd@v5d.org) Received: from mail.v5d.org (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBCF6usP097179; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:06:57 GMT (envelope-from vd@v5d.org) Received: by mail.v5d.org (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 656D64110; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:22:16 +0200 (EET) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:22:16 +0200 From: Vasil Dimov To: Bradford Castalia Message-ID: <20071212142216.GA13514@polejan.hw.v5d.org> References: <475883E6.5030306@idaeim.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <475883E6.5030306@idaeim.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: ossp-uuid-1.6.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: vd@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:06:58 -0000 --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 16:21:10 -0700, Bradford Castalia wrote: > The current distribution package does not include the C++ API support. > This is important for those of us depending on this API for support of > applications that we are building and distributing. >=20 > When building this package please include the --with-cxx configure > option so the resulting package will be complete. Done. --=20 Vasil Dimov moc.elcaro@vomid.lisav Software Developer @ Oracle/Innobase Oy gro.DSBeerF@dv Committer @ FreeBSD.org gro.d5v@dv Home @ Sofia, Bulgaria --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iD8DBQFHX+6YFw6SP/bBpCARAoF8AKCuwe3oYpa1zGsEji2oEWzR+eqKTACfVe46 pypV1b+hfF/1g79xifxlqrA= =niec -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 15:20:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 208F516A469 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:20:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E850913C47E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:20:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E466654F2 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:20:12 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:20:11 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <6DB899FB04746B87CEC4292A@utd59514.utdallas.edu> In-Reply-To: <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:20:13 -0000 --On Wednesday, December 12, 2007 04:38:39 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > > ......while I still want to gather more data to pin down the exact requirements Don't you get it? You're not GATHERING DATA. You're eliciting responses from a TINY percentage of the people who use FreeBSD and ports and *extrapolating* from that tiny sample that 1) something is wrong with ports and 2) something actually needs to be done about it. You haven't even BEGUN to gather data. Yet you're already moving on to your "second phase"! Furthermore, you take it upon yourself to insult the very people who actually *do* write the code and make this thing work while polluting this list (and several others as well) with stuff that *very few* (very few is defined as less than 1% of the readership which represents perhaps 1% of the total users of FreeBSD) people care about. And you wonder why others' patience grows short? Have you even noticed that the sharpest criticism of your "ideas" has all come from people with "@freebsd.org" in their email address? Do you know what it takes to get one of those? Please, please, spare us all the pain. Go write some code. Submit a PR. Then argue the validity of your code on the developer's list. You're already in my killfile. I'm about to put you in /dev/null. -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 15:54:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3AA816A418 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pneumann@gmail.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.228]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8012213C4E5 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pneumann@gmail.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so235104wra.13 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:54:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qkHRa3Rmcrd1n84EU9SmULQ2Ko7nyxpbyVH3mSH+xKc=; b=lKAp3ekBHhPhEfHsppHBj8XricMHeB1g47lOP0KXrYmZdKS6MlovrDPp/d0Lfy0j13VOeYsaiGO0mJn0XC3pOTMGEoyQQoyT2HpEGm1FekgPW4Ysbk0ZWQFVZk7PLNsgr6j5SrMhoQDVsYbpAJ2GimcXkxjJ8ceQy57EAUq7C9M= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=sy/mR6juG7CoHth6Z0UgdOCU2E2X4w/vF2pMehQ4+/L466/PrDm6HfPj/DlOBVes64akU9yfVeyf5TDm1nKTje9uCmXvMhExWMEXeVrTVSizyllgq/FOMqeNrZ1SUP+eyVbREa2jhx869sZMh7vHAzUt7FI90L+ztq7Rk2ABUjc= Received: by 10.142.111.14 with SMTP id j14mr243914wfc.22.1197473357038; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:29:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.203? ( [190.82.12.211]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm8971927wrl.2007.12.12.07.29.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:29:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Phillip N." To: Paul Schmehl In-Reply-To: <6DB899FB04746B87CEC4292A@utd59514.utdallas.edu> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <6DB899FB04746B87CEC4292A@utd59514.utdallas.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:29:10 +0000 Message-Id: <1197473350.1296.17.camel@negro> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:54:58 -0000 Im not really reading this threads.. But.. has this something to do with this? http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2007-April/039802.html :P -- Phillip N. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 17:34:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CBB16A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:34:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.martinez@pcbsd.es) Received: from serv01.siteground169.com (ns1.siteground169.com [67.15.211.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC77813C468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:34:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from g.martinez@pcbsd.es) Received: from 36.red-80-37-175.staticip.rima-tde.net ([80.37.175.36]:19451 helo=[172.26.0.7]) by serv01.siteground169.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J2UVm-0008LE-Lt for ports@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:32:42 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <10F34486-9DE4-4BAD-B97C-C714CC6FF4F8@pcbsd.es> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) From: Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:33:11 +0100 To: ports@FreeBSD.org X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - serv01.siteground169.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [0 0] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - pcbsd.es X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Subject: xmule port X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:34:23 -0000 Hi! I have noticed that xMule has been removed from our ports tree. Could someone say me why? I uses xmule and worked for me, but now i cant install it from ports. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 17:39:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEEC316A418 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:39:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) Received: from mail144.messagelabs.com (mail144.messagelabs.com [216.82.254.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A94F513C465 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:39:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) X-VirusChecked: Checked X-Env-Sender: mbowie@buzmo.com X-Msg-Ref: server-6.tower-144.messagelabs.com!1197481143!18877578!1 X-StarScan-Version: 5.5.12.14.2; banners=-,-,- X-Originating-IP: [69.12.11.77] Received: (qmail 6321 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2007 17:39:03 -0000 Received: from smtp1.dfw.fabriclabs.com (HELO smtp1.dfw.fabriclabs.com) (69.12.11.77) by server-6.tower-144.messagelabs.com with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 12 Dec 2007 17:39:03 -0000 Received: from mickey.la.buzmo.com (nat.strongaero.com [64.81.41.58]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp1.dfw.fabriclabs.com (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBCHcRSg060004; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:38:29 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from mbowie@buzmo.com) Message-ID: <47601C1A.4090809@buzmo.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:36:26 -0800 From: Mike Bowie User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071002) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez References: <10F34486-9DE4-4BAD-B97C-C714CC6FF4F8@pcbsd.es> In-Reply-To: <10F34486-9DE4-4BAD-B97C-C714CC6FF4F8@pcbsd.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: xmule port X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:39:05 -0000 Gonzalo Martinez - Sanjuan Sanchez wrote: > Hi! > > I have noticed that xMule has been removed from our ports tree. > Could someone say me why? I uses xmule and worked for me, but now i cant > install it from ports. > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/net-p2p/xmule/Attic/ Suggests that it's no longer in active development. HTH, Mike. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 18:39:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2273216A41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:39:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Received: from mh1.csub.edu (mh1.csub.edu [136.168.1.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F061113C461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:39:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Received: from cserv65.csub.edu (cserv65.csub.edu [136.168.10.65]) by mh1.csub.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBCId5Y9047256; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:39:05 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Message-ID: <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:39:04 -0800 From: Russell Jackson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090004090704070206000401" Cc: Tuomo Valkonen , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:39:07 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090004090704070206000401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark Linimon wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:25:17AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: >> On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: >>> ===> NOTICE: >> And this would also stop binary package from being generated >> for the releases? > > No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of > the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some > period of time to get final packages made and tested -- a time > that no one can guarantee will necessarily be less than 28 days. >>From the discussion I followed on the pkgsrc mailing list, you > obviously either don't understand, or don't care, about this > asepct of trying to produce the best working packages for the > users of a particular OS. > > But, I tell you what, as a special favor to you, I'll personally > rip ion-3 out of the already-prepared package sets, check to make > sure that the port is removed from the Ports Collection, and promulgate > a new policy that NO software from you will in the future be accepted > into the Ports Collection. Thus, your licenses will be honored, and > as an inevitable result, your software will descend even further into > complete irrelevance. > > Will that be acceptable, or is there something else that you would > like from me this fine evening? > Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible for perhaps possibly Tuomo here after I reported a crash under FreeBSD 7 on the ion list that wound up having something to do with the mod_xinerama extension -- something that I haven't had time to further look into. Tuomo, I wasn't running the version in ports CVS. I was running a modified local port that did pull the latest ion sources. I also had to explicitly enable mod_xinerama with a make define; so, it isn't part of the the binary package or a default port install. I really don't see why the extreme action of removing it from ports was necessary. :sigh: -- Russell A. 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b=KPH4sW2tHBh/0nnvACMDeCjldOiKd/lC7r6VhrDmTfhdc7P6++X1ycZt/2XSs0G63a8awDQPPvxyISCyTRWhXV9MFiA+XsKqQJ9UAOQrVFr4FwdLMlqED6fo2eTeUyOBO/znmu3honilpoLA8LN0278MHZxqnpmoL4bOb9hBttE= Received: by 10.82.121.15 with SMTP id t15mr2646685buc.26.1197483969919; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:26:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.82.164.16 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:26:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <14989d6e0712121026h2645f0d4q6bbb0ade3dafae7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:26:09 +0000 From: "Christian Walther" To: tuomov@iki.fi, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20071212092310.bfa96bfb.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <20071212092310.bfa96bfb.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Cc: wmoran@potentialtech.com Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:53:39 -0000 Hi there, On 12/12/2007, Bill Moran wrote: > In response to Tuomo Valkonen : > > > On 2007-12-12, Mark Linimon wrote: > > > No, the release packages were already built. You see, part of > > > the problem of software Quality Assurance is that it takes some > > > > Distro Quality Assurance... ROTFLMAO. > > If we're taking a vote, I vote for the following: > > a) We ban Tuomo from our lists. > b) We remove all his software from the ports and refuse to accept > any more by him. > > The guy is obviously just around to start flame wars. > Up to now I was a happy user of ion3. So it makes me sad to see that ion3 is gone. I can understand why the author is frustated - sometimes behaviour of certain users doesn't make life easy. On the other hand these users are just the minority, while the bigger group is able of doing RTFM - including manuals and mailing archives. So there's even a third group of people that do all this, and wait for the port to be updated within a couple of days. Which up to now did work pretty well. Thanks, Mark! And by the way: It's not only a "FOSS problem", it doesn't matter how one distributes code in source or binary form. It's a general problem that can't be dealt with by changing some license. That being said I can understand why the port maintainer decided to remove the port - and I second his decission. Let me put it this way: ion3 is great. FreeBSD is great. The ports system is great. Building software from scratch sucks. This is why I'll remove ion3 from all my machines (including some Solaris boxes at work, but I don't bother with maintaining several configurations that are supposed to do the same). There are alternatives, after all. Thanks Mark for maintaining the port. And thanks Tuomo for enlightening the world with a new method of interacting with GUIs. I really apreciate your opinion on GUI design and window management, and I even agree with some of your opinions regarding FOSS. Bye Christian From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 19:01:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4223B16A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:01:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stsp@stsp.name) Received: from einhorn.in-berlin.de (einhorn.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B4913C474 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:01:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stsp@stsp.name) X-Envelope-From: stsp@stsp.name X-Envelope-To: Received: from stsp.lan ([217.9.60.101]) (authenticated bits=128) by einhorn.in-berlin.de (8.13.6/8.13.6/Debian-1) with ESMTP id lBCJ1qis015603 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:01:54 +0100 Received: from jack.stsp.lan (stsp@localhost.stsp.lan [127.0.0.1]) by stsp.lan (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCJ1oC3022432 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:01:50 +0100 (CET) Received: (from stsp@localhost) by jack.stsp.lan (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lBCJ1ovn007429 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:01:50 +0100 (CET) X-Authentication-Warning: jack.stsp.lan: stsp set sender to stsp@stsp.name using -f Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:01:50 +0100 From: Stefan Sperling To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071212190150.GB11620@jack.stsp.lan> References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang_at_IN-Berlin_e.V. on 192.109.42.8 Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:01:57 -0000 --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:39:04AM -0800, Russell Jackson wrote: > I really don't see why the extreme action of removing it from ports was n= ecessary. :sigh: An alternative is to simply keep the last released version that had a sane license. AFAIK OpenBSD did that, see: http://marc.info/?l=3Dopenbsd-ports&m=3D119522869306969&w=3D2 http://marc.info/?l=3Dopenbsd-ports&m=3D119523415116636&w=3D2 --=20 stefan http://stsp.name PGP Key: 0xF59D25F0 --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (OpenBSD) iD8DBQFHYDAe5dMCc/WdJfARAmFyAKDZYT5xtAKrVG2l5cw2TOtOpVk9BACeKt7F /eHyjdCRG4sjYWICbHLu5j4= =rP79 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 19:05:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 289DE16A419 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:05:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Received: from mh0.csub.edu (mh0.csub.edu [136.168.1.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F5B13C459 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:05:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Received: from cserv65.csub.edu (cserv65.csub.edu [136.168.10.65]) by mh0.csub.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBCJ5KYo024544; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:05:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from raj@csub.edu) Message-ID: <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:05:20 -0800 From: Russell Jackson User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071119) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> In-Reply-To: <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms050501040105050607000709" Cc: Tuomo Valkonen , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:05:21 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms050501040105050607000709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Russell Jackson wrote: > Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible for perhaps possibly > Tuomo here after I reported a crash under FreeBSD 7 on the ion list that wound up having > something to do with the mod_xinerama extension -- something that I haven't had time to > further look into. > s/perhaps possibly/possibly luring/ -- Russell A. 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Dec 2007 19:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10DBEBC3C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:20:46 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:20:45 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Russell Jackson Message-Id: <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Linimon , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Tuomo Valkonen Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:20:48 -0000 In response to Russell Jackson : > Russell Jackson wrote: > > Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible for perhaps possibly > > Tuomo here after I reported a crash under FreeBSD 7 on the ion list that wound up having > > something to do with the mod_xinerama extension -- something that I haven't had time to > > further look into. The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers for all his problems with software and users. It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance with his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. If he's going to demand that his terms be followed, then it has to come out of the ports. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 19:39:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66DF16A41A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 837EE13C45A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:39:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so963540pyb.3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:39:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2tdvq1sLr4XkP5wj9o9SWLZ3YwPxttoDMsxzdC5m4Jg=; b=slowZ++SaFkIBZfeTyLf/r3YjMJN39URBtKCN61V7v0X/Od2y8kt+PNb5l6WJ2ANqCvD8AJ/D3qRWd3OTwe+EMNWbq+ekOYjUCGbivN5uqyUdWLt/5DjVHRt+5h+H6NTWs9kiznbRo31SO9sFzCEfE2HlkUmqucJeQ5DKo6oY/Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vIHktS+uk5HHikQ1+Oh1+dPSxQZB7BtBKLKal40d+/0utZ2c4cIoJsmcM0HuWf9rkeNDNnIAvhYH+6jFp+8GoCe0fTJlF9XtuIYj76fbfhpuqvkCcHQ5SQx66faMniSy1+rwmAv9F1hGS9krrA4cjavlP13YjNK5gubf8VQTGUg= Received: by 10.65.216.19 with SMTP id t19mr2287197qbq.76.1197488388675; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q17sm5124028qbq.2007.12.12.11.39.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:39:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47603903.40402@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:39:47 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ade Lovett References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:39:51 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ade Lovett wrote: > > On Dec 12, 2007, at 01:38 , Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> First of all excuse my language but I have about had it with >> certain people... > > Presumably that would be me. While your the main one your not the only one. > >> where the *HELL* do you get the idea that I am attempting to get >> other people to do the heavy lifting or have you not learned a >> single f***'ing thing from the last 30 years of software >> engineering (i.e. involve the user from the very beginning).. > > And you've involved, at best, 1% of the user base. More likely > 0.01%. Do we need to talk statistics again? Did you read the disclaimer where I specifically state that no mathematical/scientific validity should be placed on the results. Translation for the literal minded: I have made no claims that these results are in any way representative of the community as a whole only that they are representative of the people who elected to respond (which is clearly not a random sample and thus could not be considered to statistically valid no matter the sample size [unless the sample size is proven to be the same as the population which is impossible due to no existing user census of FreeBSD]) > > >> I said right in the f***'ing disclaimer that this is not an >> attempt to get permission from anyone to do anything and/or any >> type of project plan as of yet it is *ONLY* an attempt to define >> the problem so that a good (instead of one I "think" is good) >> solution can be designed.... > > I have yet to see any coherent definition that a problem even > exists. That's not to say the current situation is perfect, it > certainly isn't. Those of "us" that have dealt with the ports tree > for any length of time are well aware of its shortcomings. We're > also well aware that making anything but baby-step changes along a > larger path is destined to failure. 1. One of the goals of the survey was to determine if any further work was warrented and clearly it is. 2. Using fairly standard software architicure methods enumerating what problems are being solved in detail is usually done after the need for the project is established and the second was the only goal of the survey. The next steps are: a. Decide on the scope of the project b. Gather detailed requirements c. Produce a very light weight design (with assumption it is just to structure the thought process and not to be the final implimented design) d. Begin implementation and testing (at the same time instead of in sequence) e. Iterate over c & d until something is testable by the larger user community f. After substantial field testing decide what role, if any, FreeBSD will have in the final implementation of the project > > Now, if y'all have concrete and plausible solutions for actual > problems, we're all ears. But in the meantime, it's just another > re-run of "this sucks, it can be done better", without any concrete > *proof* of the latter. How exactly do you purpose to do that with out a complete understanding of the issues involved first and since personal experience always varies and illuminates different subsystems it is critical to gather data beyond ones own experience to understand the issues > > We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of > the current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even > still works. If you know that and feel that I am doomed to failure then let me fail... but on the other hand if I succeed then the community will be enriched... the only thing you're doing in this thread is attempting to kill the effort before any results can possibelly be shown. > > > If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have > plenty of. Code talks. And bad code is worse then no code at all. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYDkDzIOMjAek4JIRAvWHAJ0RJ6sNaioZEPDWIa0h3BhACvJyywCbBOh1 +jSqdFv0RpDO+vzBCdIzxBI= =cJa7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 19:48:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D027216A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F08313C45A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:48:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2WwG-0002ap-5q for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:08:12 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:08:12 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:08:12 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:03:12 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 30 Message-ID: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:48:03 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Russell Jackson wrote: > Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible Don't worry, you're not responsible (much). I'd been monitoring the situation having heard of a ports freeze, and nothing having been done to mark the Ion package as (potentially) obsolete or anything. Not much asked, but it seems distros don't like to admit that they distribute obsolete and buggy software. > I wasn't running the version in ports CVS. I was running a modified local > port that did pull the latest ion sources. I also had to explicitly enable > mod_xinerama with a make define; so, it isn't part of the the binary > package or a default port install. The option doesn't seem Ion-specific and isn't documented to add unsupported features. A much better place for the module would in any case be, say, x11-wm/ion-3-extras/mod_shit-o-rama. You could also have mod_xrandr, mod_ionflux, and etc. under that kind of setup. There's no reason why the module should deceivingly (and inconveniently) be distributed hidden "within" the ion-3 package. > I really don't see why the extreme action of removing it from ports was > necessary. :sigh: Distro folks are not reasonable; they think authors should be their undemanding and unquestioning slaves. I think we have learned that already. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 19:51:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C0D16A468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E0713C469 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:51:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCJovsJ001938 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:50:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from localhost (redmail@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lBCJovZI001935 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:50:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cauchy.math.missouri.edu: redmail owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:50:57 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-X-Sender: redmail@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <6DB899FB04746B87CEC4292A@utd59514.utdallas.edu> Message-ID: <20071212133939.U1695@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <6DB899FB04746B87CEC4292A@utd59514.utdallas.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:51:11 -0000 On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Wednesday, December 12, 2007 04:38:39 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" > wrote: >> >> ......while I still want to gather more data to pin down the exact > requirements > > Don't you get it? You're not GATHERING DATA. You're eliciting responses > from a TINY percentage of the people who use FreeBSD and ports and > *extrapolating* from that tiny sample that 1) something is wrong with ports > and 2) something actually needs to be done about it. > > You haven't even BEGUN to gather data. Yet you're already moving on to your > "second phase"! > > Furthermore, you take it upon yourself to insult the very people who actually > *do* write the code and make this thing work while polluting this list (and > several others as well) with stuff that *very few* (very few is defined as > less than 1% of the readership which represents perhaps 1% of the total users > of FreeBSD) people care about. > > And you wonder why others' patience grows short? Have you even noticed that > the sharpest criticism of your "ideas" has all come from people with > "@freebsd.org" in their email address? Do you know what it takes to get one > of those? > > Please, please, spare us all the pain. Go write some code. Submit a PR. > Then argue the validity of your code on the developer's list. > Although I was one who was initially critical of Aryeh, I must admit that I am becoming puzzled as to why his initiative is attracting such hostility. I can understand people being dismissive of his efforts, but not the hostility. Aryeh has made it extremely clear what his goals are, and at worst all it will be is a failed project, and at best it might really contribute. People are saying again and again that they want to see the code, but he has said that he plans to do the heavy lifting by himself, and it should be obvious that he has taken on a very ambitious plan and code won't be seen for quite a while. Next, I don't get all this talk about the need for his data to satisfy some kind of significance test. Even professional polsters find this task extremely difficult and expensive. Obviously all Aryeh is trying to do is to get some anecdotal evidence. And in his situation I would say that (a) it is by far the best he can hope for, and (b) certainly has potential to be extremely useful. Come on guys, get off his back. You might disagree with him, but his comments are most certainly relevant to this mailing list. Kill the message, but don't kill the messenger. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:04:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B660516A418 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:04:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDC013C448 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:04:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so985114pyb.3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:04:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JcbUzPRRoZc+TtqNWi2aUU1Fw+f5TczL0QwWuTJlV5o=; b=S3cGVFCxBa2Aq1iCvY43lOsHz0zYIvTkumHU1mv7VrVZOYrLifDhUUz0F/f9yFwxAeStUFn5V/5QGKhLkC5B6m1fSPK13/VXKEoNdjB8Sx8ESA0Ep876OBhVoWnGrDP6ZS3xLTVJghwbjKTrDeiin6i1giFqrlC/9Kpzv8G5yeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=gTAFLckulMChMRm/FW/6jEvbKCCmzLCtawpa8bQXO4b0LeTixIRaIuGScfi+GgzMkrX9CDl7rKNIHot6yNNl8WxEeOUxgWbMIyGR0RsVp+NufxFpjhqmwKVuaEquLHGV1/AV2vC5GFyd+MxIREzsEUJI0oN4pD3XxxF7ag5dGHQ= Received: by 10.65.114.11 with SMTP id r11mr2343710qbm.72.1197489871946; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:04:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q14sm710147qbq.2007.12.12.12.04.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:04:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47603ECD.70408@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:04:29 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> <475FE959.5080204@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <475FE959.5080204@math.missouri.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scope of the port re-engineering project X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:04:35 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> Disclaimer: >> >> This does not commit me, anyone else and/or FreeBSD to an course >> of action nor does it imply such a commitment. >> >> Assuming that the following is true: >> >> 1. There is a "proven" need to re-engineer the ports system as >> demostrated by posts to -ports@ and the results of the survey on >> re-engineering the ports system >> >> 2. Any system will correct your own personal "worst aspect" of >> the ports system but will not do so at the expense of breaking >> any high level functionality >> >> Please answer the following questions: >> >> 1. Using the items listed in the next section please select the >> best scope of the project assuming that 100% backwards >> compatibility with the current ports system is maintained? >> >> 2. Using the items listed in the next section please select the >> best scope of the project assuming that 100% backwards >> compatibility with the current ports system is *NOT* maintained? >> >> Possible project scopes: >> >> a. Refactor the current system only b. Redesign and recoding of >> the current system c. Attempt to unify all methods of FreeBSD >> software installation into a single system d. Same as c but for >> all BSD like OS's > > I'm not sure what the words "refactor" and "recode" mean here. Refacoring is to use the existing framework and make tweaks to it. Recoding is to start with a fresh piece of paper and see what emerges. > > If I had lots of time on my hands, I think I would redo ports > _without_ using "make" as its primary scripting tool. Mind you, > I'm not sure what I would use in its place - perhaps its own > scripting tool written from scratch? The difficulty with using > "make" is that it isn't linear. For example (and this was my > bugbear), to figure out "make -V PKGNAME" the program has to read > and process every single line of the makefile, including all of its > ".includes". And while perhaps this issue is a bit frivolous, > nevertheless I bet that this is one of the reasons why people > creating ports make mistakes setting up the dependencies. Cook, scons, ant and several other modern dependency tools offer a good framework for per package methods for handling this (see Miller97) but as far I can tell there is no good tool that solves this at the inter-project level and thus the final result would be likely modeled on one of the above DMT's but would be home grown. > > Finally, I really do like the difference between ports and > packages. Please keep both of the "build from source" and "install > binaries" capabilities. Even though we are not in the requirements phase this is one of the requirements I think is a must I would even go a step further and say the two should be completely interchangeable (which they aren't right now... i.e. you use one or the other exclusivally for all packages) > > > If you really do all the heavy lifting, it is something I will > admire. Not least because you might do all this work and find > people are too conservative to use it. > I have my own personal reasons for wanting to do most of the work my self (prototype for a commerical package I am looking at developing... note there will be no functional diff between the two systems just the addition of some smoothing of rough UI edges in the commerical one) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYD7NzIOMjAek4JIRAvzsAKCKubnQxw7EbVHJ1LdCS+Cadq24EQCfe6gx z1JZPbCahjsmhn/+bsaIRJQ= =Fo8B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:07:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C3416A478 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:07:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C93D13C43E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:07:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so987178pyb.3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:07:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TcL50cU95NMFvkV+ulpxUgpaCnwwcXO1P3ONRsABhnw=; b=fQEeJjokru66ngBjGji/bwFn3UNgz/qK0dY1Acmf+eXPUxguhWKNP2gKnfhHUsXY2J/JR/NSVqcxIkV7PCwwiMPVHohGsjHW53ICzVb34AvB825K2XIHvjDtmCAW2b/8nVOvx4hFycH1g9SMz8lvVtrZ7u/zSXhJ0OwZHYMj3kE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=g7W4Y9Ck43fff8i02SpwQsuSves9CQUKN5lukidLWtdINbqlyIJuhKaqxalZvvKLEnNTFWi0v99xjOYoxK9mh6e873XR+eU8AM6mCSueXexmhP/4AgVG2YY8AB1iMkP+4VoGxUu2FB+JaIotPJFttv5GQrgCg7HGQarfP9wH2lA= Received: by 10.64.10.2 with SMTP id 2mr2430949qbj.2.1197490019160; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:06:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e15sm272573qba.2007.12.12.12.06.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:06:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47603F5E.1090102@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:06:54 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philipp Ost References: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> <47601131.6010800@smo.de> In-Reply-To: <47601131.6010800@smo.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scope of the port re-engineering project X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:07:01 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Philipp Ost wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: [...] >> c. Attempt to unify all methods of FreeBSD software installation >> into a single system d. Same as c but for all BSD like OS's > > Wouldn't you clone pkgsrc if you decide on going for d.? > Most likelly not since I understand it has many of same flaws ports does due to its common lineage -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYD9ezIOMjAek4JIRAo+MAJ9sTRO6D5HA2ZHSCxxDmuSHyM+G5gCgpuQR 5Vzdx+bA4dEjVOAyklJ1UDw= =2v/S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:09:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 961AB16A468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B92713C45B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:09:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30336EBC3C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:09:03 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:09:02 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-Id: <20071212150902.d375bf5b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:09:04 -0000 In response to Tuomo Valkonen : > On 2007-12-12, Russell Jackson wrote: > > Damn it. I use this software, and I even feel somewhat responsible > > Don't worry, you're not responsible (much). I'd been monitoring the > situation having heard of a ports freeze, and nothing having been > done to mark the Ion package as (potentially) obsolete or anything. > Not much asked, but it seems distros don't like to admit that they > distribute obsolete and buggy software. Translation: Tuomo was just waiting around in the hopes that he could start bitching and cause trouble. He could have pre-emptivly offered his assistance to ensure that the FreeBSD ports tree didn't drift too far out of sync, but instead he just waited around until the opportune moment to start bitching and crying like a baby. If you were watching, why didn't you point this out back at the beginning of the ports freeze? > > I wasn't running the version in ports CVS. I was running a modified local > > port that did pull the latest ion sources. I also had to explicitly enable > > mod_xinerama with a make define; so, it isn't part of the the binary > > package or a default port install. > > The option doesn't seem Ion-specific and isn't documented to add > unsupported features. A much better place for the module would in > any case be, say, x11-wm/ion-3-extras/mod_shit-o-rama. You could > also have mod_xrandr, mod_ionflux, and etc. under that kind of > setup. There's no reason why the module should deceivingly (and > inconveniently) be distributed hidden "within" the ion-3 package. Either you didn't understand Russell's comment, or you're so bent on blaming folks problems on "distro folks" that you're redirecting the conversation in an attempt to prove your point, whatever it is. > > I really don't see why the extreme action of removing it from ports was > > necessary. :sigh: > > Distro folks are not reasonable; they think authors should be their > undemanding and unquestioning slaves. I think we have learned that > already. Who's we? You and all the voices in your head? Remind the voices that FreeBSD isn't a Linux distro, and maybe they'll start feeding you accurate information instead of making you look insane. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:22:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2444116A468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBEA013C4E5 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:22:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2Xyn-0005yb-SB for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:14:53 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:14:53 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:14:53 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:59:34 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:22:30 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran wrote: > It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance with > his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. There is no "28 days" rule. There is a "latest release in 28 days or prominently mark (potentially) obsolete" rule. You can make the marking permanent, always requiring users to acknowledge a message. You can make the marking automatic, by checking the website for a new release (as Debian presently does), or by some more sophisticated means or dead man triggers. You may not be able to distribute such binary packages with your present setup, but source should be enough. You may even simply have the package download and install http://iki.fi/tuomov/dl/ion-3-latest.tar.gz (signature in http://iki.fi/tuomov/dl/ion-3-latest.tar.gz.asc). Even if I made the number 280 days, distros would still complain. It's not about the days. The greatest difficulty to complying with the license are the idealist blockages in your head. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:27:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C13316A418 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F7013C458 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2Y6a-0000gg-B0 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:22:56 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:22:56 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:22:56 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:15:02 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 22 Message-ID: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <20071212150902.d375bf5b.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:15 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran wrote: > If you were watching, why didn't you point this out back at the > beginning of the ports freeze? What makes you think I'd been watching that long? Don't you people read the licenses of the software you distribute? > Either you didn't understand Russell's comment ... or you haven't read the license. > Remind the voices that FreeBSD isn't a Linux distro, and maybe they'll > start feeding you accurate information instead of making you look insane. It's a distribution of various third party software. You may split hairs by insisting that "FreeBSD ports" is the distribution, but it is still a distribution. (There are no "Linux" distributions either: there are "GNU/Linux" distributions, if you get into hair-splitting.) -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:27:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C623616A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851AD13C468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCKROOG002285; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:27:24 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from localhost (redmail@localhost) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lBCKRN60002282; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:27:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: cauchy.math.missouri.edu: redmail owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:27:23 -0600 (CST) From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith X-X-Sender: redmail@cauchy.math.missouri.edu To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" In-Reply-To: <47603ECD.70408@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071212141240.Y1695@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> References: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> <475FE959.5080204@math.missouri.edu> <47603ECD.70408@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scope of the port re-engineering project X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:27:38 -0000 On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>> >> I'm not sure what the words "refactor" and "recode" mean here. > > Refacoring is to use the existing framework and make tweaks to it. > Recoding is to start with a fresh piece of paper and see what emerges. >> >> ........... >> >> If you really do all the heavy lifting, it is something I will >> admire. Not least because you might do all this work and find >> people are too conservative to use it. >> > > I have my own personal reasons for wanting to do most of the work my > self (prototype for a commerical package I am looking at developing... > note there will be no functional diff between the two systems just the > addition of some smoothing of rough UI edges in the commerical one) If I were going to do this (and I most certainly am not!) I would opt for the recoding from scratch, but doing so in a very backwards compatible fashion. I would create a framework in which ports could be created with configuration files similar to, but more straightforward, to the current "Makefile"s. Then I would work hard on creating a script that automatically converts the existing ports into the new ports system. This means that people should be free to switch to your system whenever they like. Most people will keep using the existing system because of fear (and reasonable fear) that your new system will have a lot of bugs (that any new project will have) and that it might even ultimately fail. Then if your system really is noticeably superior, people will begin switching to yours and eventually the existing structure will fall to the wayside. One more thing. I personally am very impressed with the existing structure of "var/db/pkg." If you can preserve that as well, then people will be able to switch back and forth willy nilly, and they will be even more willing to try out your system. Finally, don't get depressed when (or if) you roll out your new system, that it has a lot of problems and/or detractors. Remember, for example, those early ugly days when Netscape had just been made open-source, and it looked likely to bite the dust. And now it is threatening IE! And even if your new system doesn't get adopted, when FreeBSD does eventually get a complete rehaul of the ports, many of your ideas will be there. But I am getting ahead of myself. I'll wait until you have the product before doing more cheerleading. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:29:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C2316A421 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:29:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F4A13C458 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:29:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 2A5EB2218A3D; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:29:23 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <476044A300012CC86AEA1B@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6A4721B131C; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:29:22 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E2312218827; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:29:22 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 500A3249; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:29:22 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:29:22 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212202922.GE40969@k7.mavetju> References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:29:24 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:59:34PM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > Even if I made the number 280 days, distros would still complain. It's It's not so much that distributions complain, it's more the author of the software who has a set of misconnected wires in his head. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:45:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A8A16A41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EDB313C461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DFC0EBC3C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:45:13 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:45:12 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-Id: <20071212154512.a32313e7.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:45:14 -0000 In response to Tuomo Valkonen : > On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran wrote: > > It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance with > > his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. > > There is no "28 days" rule. There is a "latest release in 28 days or > prominently mark (potentially) obsolete" rule. You can make the marking > permanent, always requiring users to acknowledge a message. You can > make the marking automatic, by checking the website for a new release > (as Debian presently does), or by some more sophisticated means or dead > man triggers. There you go. I had no idea it would be this easy. Please open a PR and attach a patch. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 20:58:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F282A16A41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.185]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBAEB13C45A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:58:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id l15so337305rvb.43 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:58:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cvhIM0FZWyuRHrlUQb6cIBkvqbtKBNblivmUukqn2h0=; b=lrnO0uabVCKhL/cOqLmi7aSFEDkvnIBEWgMg3sTNzyEKlYNdTJXPZQ6YoUc/E7lqTzz0wSfFsPG9GoSTU5TA9OU0zAUDfRcrTE6Um3aIgdNg+o5T9vniUZFEeNQ0B8t63jG5gNRpG5DUjaStnM3eOh0CctvHCkzj/EnAPWZfLLs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MC7HqOPPjtSvSyeSQyrAY7h6SlrNPkv6HGiROge971RF4dBasUK/ItCx1351LoTXmn0Si8VgVWitl77PTa4la+IU7G3obJe3Lyl88lAWHebKOwnvwJAGQzxN3ny6q7hBQ48YmjZGTdGS9yXwvD6pTECfMXssuwXeHvIJidGAQjY= Received: by 10.141.89.13 with SMTP id r13mr649702rvl.177.1197493106468; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:58:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e15sm314148qba.2007.12.12.12.58.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:58:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47604B71.90101@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:58:25 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> <475FE959.5080204@math.missouri.edu> <47603ECD.70408@gmail.com> <20071212141240.Y1695@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071212141240.Y1695@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scope of the port re-engineering project X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:58:30 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: >>> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>> I'm not sure what the words "refactor" and "recode" mean here. >> >> Refacoring is to use the existing framework and make tweaks to it. >> Recoding is to start with a fresh piece of paper and see what emerges. >>> >>> ........... >>> >>> If you really do all the heavy lifting, it is something I will >>> admire. Not least because you might do all this work and find >>> people are too conservative to use it. >>> >> >> I have my own personal reasons for wanting to do most of the work my >> self (prototype for a commerical package I am looking at developing... >> note there will be no functional diff between the two systems just the >> addition of some smoothing of rough UI edges in the commerical one) Forgot to mention the target platform for the commercial tool is not any variant of Unix (though it could be ported trivially) >> > > If I were going to do this (and I most certainly am not!) I would > opt for the recoding from scratch, but doing so in a very backwards > compatible fashion. I would create a framework in which ports could > be created with configuration files similar to, but more > straightforward, to the current "Makefile"s. The only requirement I consider to be in stone right now is "100% backwards compatibility" > > Then I would work hard on creating a script that automatically > converts the existing ports into the new ports system. That will have to be worked out in detail but obviously some conversion tool is needed. > > This means that people should be free to switch to your system > whenever they like. Most people will keep using the existing system > because of fear (and reasonable fear) that your new system will have > a lot of bugs (that any new project will have) and that it might > even ultimately fail. Then if your system really is noticeably > superior, people will begin switching to yours and eventually the > existing structure will fall to the wayside. I never expected a wholesale switch over even though the details are not clear yet I expect the two to live side by side several years at least. > > One more thing. I personally am very impressed with the existing > structure of "var/db/pkg." If you can preserve that as well, then > people will be able to switch back and forth willy nilly, and they > will be even more willing to try out your system. That is part of backwards compatibility. > > > Finally, don't get depressed when (or if) you roll out your new > system, that it has a lot of problems and/or detractors. Remember, > for example, those early ugly days when Netscape had just been made > open-source, and it looked likely to bite the dust. And now it is > threatening IE! And even if your new system doesn't get adopted, > when FreeBSD does eventually get a complete rehaul of the ports, > many of your ideas will be there. Part of the reason for the drawn out process vs. me just getting in there and hacking code is attempting to make those mistakes as cost efficient as possible. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYEtwzIOMjAek4JIRAihAAKCECtdoE7cecxYuoNRl3X9ARTwp3ACfa0Zx /kTJJH3uD64T4t9ncmzvsIg= =QJQp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 21:24:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FE916A469 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johans@stack.nl) Received: from mx1.stack.nl (meestal-mk5.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5010::149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDDA13C468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:24:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from johans@stack.nl) Received: by mx1.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 30E35420C5; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:24:39 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-DCC: INFN-TO: toad.stack.nl 1233; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on toad.stack.nl X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Relay-Country: Received: from mud.stack.nl (mud.stack.nl [IPv6:2001:610:1108:5011:2e0:81ff:fe03:c4bf]) by mx1.stack.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F564153C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:24:28 +0100 (CET) Received: by mud.stack.nl (Postfix, from userid 801) id 56C41B873; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:24:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:24:28 +0100 From: Johan van Selst To: Stefan Sperling Message-ID: <20071212212428.GA86447@mud.stack.nl> References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <20071212190150.GB11620@jack.stsp.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071212190150.GB11620@jack.stsp.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-30) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:24:40 -0000 --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Stefan Sperling wrote: > An alternative is to simply keep the last released version > that had a sane license. AFAIK OpenBSD did that, see: > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-ports&m=119522869306969&w=2 Sounds like a fair solution. Ciao, Johan --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEAREIAAYFAkdgUYwACgkQaOElK32lxTsp+wCeJ4Hj0SY9DGeTHuVPQKFmvAWm l2QAn1QtDOhpKl84XmvILSD9yWVeKPXz =6dCc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --X1bOJ3K7DJ5YkBrT-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 21:27:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5659316A41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbethke@hs-heilbronn.de) Received: from dns1.rz.hs-heilbronn.de (dns1.rz.hs-heilbronn.de [141.7.1.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC3C813C45B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:27:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jbethke@hs-heilbronn.de) Received: from mailstud01.rz.hs-heilbronn.de (mailstud01.rz.hs-heilbronn.de [141.7.1.34]) by dns1.rz.hs-heilbronn.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCLF6j0017018 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:15:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.5.101] ([129.143.124.22]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailstud01.rz.hs-heilbronn.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBCLExYo027934 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:15:06 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47604F50.70104@hs-heilbronn.de> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:14:56 +0100 From: Joachim Bethke User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Port marked as IGNORE: security/krb5 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:27:42 -0000 Hallo, for a few weeks i become this error message "** Port marked as IGNORE: security/krb5: is marked as broken: fails to install". If i uncomment this in Makefile I can not install postfix with kerberos. Is there a solution for this problem ? Thanks for help Joachim From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 21:31:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7145616A468 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from hub.org (hub.org [200.46.204.220]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF0413C45B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:31:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from scrappy@hub.org) Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163DC11FDD31 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:13:29 -0400 (AST) Received: from hub.org ([200.46.204.220]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40532-08 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:13:28 -0400 (AST) Received: from fserv.hub.org (blk-7-245-234.eastlink.ca [71.7.245.234]) by hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B68511FDD12 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:13:28 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by fserv.hub.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A7A45EEB5 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:13:29 -0400 (AST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:12:52 -0400 From: "Marc G. Fournier" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <52A93D1858C76C8A29A58675@ganymede.hub.org> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Read-only ports, but shared distfiles ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:31:53 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi ... I have my /etc/make.conf setup as: DISTDIR=/home/ports/distfiles WRKDIRPREFIX=/home/ports INDEXDIR=/home/ports so that any distfiles that need to be downloaded, can be ... but, is there some way I can set thing sup so that anything that already exists *in* /usr/ports/distfiles will get used before downloading a whole new copy? Thanks ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHYE7U4QvfyHIvDvMRAlTnAJ91QV/1MYQZsWbgxB68GLQnuF0u2ACgpnVk nsd4FUnK9/xOqR5sRimVrMg= =8vdJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 21:41:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34AD716A417 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:41:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0383813C4D5 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:41:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 98D832218BA9; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:41:04 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <4760557000002338663628@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D9F21B189E; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:41:04 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B51772218A75; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:41:03 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 7B2FE249; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:41:03 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:41:03 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: "Marc G. Fournier" Message-ID: <20071212214103.GF40969@k7.mavetju> References: <52A93D1858C76C8A29A58675@ganymede.hub.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <52A93D1858C76C8A29A58675@ganymede.hub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Read-only ports, but shared distfiles ... X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:41:06 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 05:12:52PM -0400, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > I have my /etc/make.conf setup as: > > DISTDIR=/home/ports/distfiles > WRKDIRPREFIX=/home/ports > INDEXDIR=/home/ports > > so that any distfiles that need to be downloaded, can be ... but, is there > some way I can set thing sup so that anything that already exists *in* > /usr/ports/distfiles will get used before downloading a whole new copy? You might want to try CD_MOUNTPTS, or MASTER_SITE_OVERRIDE=file:/usr/ports/distfiles/${DIST_SUBDIR}, and FETCH_SYMLINK_DISTFILES Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 22:28:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA16416A4AB for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9330213C461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com) Received: (qmail 16377 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2007 22:01:59 -0000 Received: from aldan.algebra.com (HELO aldan-mlp) ([216.254.65.224]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 12 Dec 2007 22:01:59 -0000 From: Mikhail Teterin To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:01:57 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> Organization: Virtual Estates, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> Subject: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:28:41 -0000 > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers > for all his problems with software and users. Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't engage in=20 direct communications with forums such as ours. Their licenses suck much=20 more, however -- think Java, cdrtools, or Skype, and all the other=20 closed-source packages. Put Tuomo's demands in perspective, for crying out= =20 loud... > It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance with > his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. =9AIf he's going to demand that his > terms be followed, then it has to come out of the ports. Actually, it can be done -- when building the port, the date on the distfil= e=20 (or that on the most recent source-file /extracted/ therefrom) can be check= ed=20 against the current date and a prominent message can be issued warning of=20 possible obsoleteness (sp?)... I just wish we avoided the rash decisions like "let's remove everything=20 written by the guy we don't like NOW" -- if only in the name of "ports=20 slush"... In the hurry to spite the admittedly unpleasant-sounding author,= =20 the needs and expectations of the users were neglected. I've never used ion, but, judging from some responses here, it is an=20 appreciated piece of software. -mi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 22:37:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0570B16A41B for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:37:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lx@redundancy.redundancy.org) Received: from redundancy.redundancy.org (redundancy.redundancy.org [64.147.160.152]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D732013C467 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:37:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lx@redundancy.redundancy.org) Received: (qmail 32097 invoked by uid 1001); 12 Dec 2007 22:10:53 -0000 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:10:53 -0800 From: "David E. Thiel" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071212221030.GD43736@redundancy.redundancy.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <20071212190150.GB11620@jack.stsp.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071212190150.GB11620@jack.stsp.lan> X-OpenPGP-Key-fingerprint: 482A 8C46 C844 7E7C 8CBC 2313 96EE BEE5 1F4B CA13 X-Face: %H~{$1~NOw1y#%mM6{|4:/ List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:37:12 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:01:27PM +0100, Stefan Sperling wrote: > > I really don't see why the extreme action of removing it from ports was necessary. :sigh: > > An alternative is to simply keep the last released version > that had a sane license. Or simply use any of the freely available, cleanly licensed and more functional alternatives, many of which are written by programmers posessing an at least marginal semblance of sanity: - wmii - dwm - xmonad - larswm - awesome (my personal favorite) They all have their cranky peculiarities, but at least the authors aren't balls-out insane, and don't habitually harass OS distributors with their paranoid ravings. There's no reason to use ion anymore, much less let an old version rot in the ports tree. If people still want to for some reason, they can just keep a copy of the old port or build it from scratch. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 23:07:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6200416A41A for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:07:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 16ECF13C4DD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:07:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 30538 invoked by uid 399); 12 Dec 2007 23:07:27 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO ?192.168.0.4?) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 12 Dec 2007 23:07:27 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Message-ID: <476069AA.10703@FreeBSD.org> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:07:22 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <20071212190150.GB11620@jack.stsp.lan> <20071212221030.GD43736@redundancy.redundancy.org> In-Reply-To: <20071212221030.GD43736@redundancy.redundancy.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:07:28 -0000 David E. Thiel wrote: > Or simply use any of the freely available, cleanly licensed and more > functional alternatives, many of which are written by programmers > posessing an at least marginal semblance of sanity: Sorry David, but I'm going to pick on this reply as an example of a more general case. It ought to be possible for us to discuss these issues without resorting to ad hominem attacks. Even if we may personally find someone's perspective unreasonable, the question for public discussion is _only_ whether the software author's license/perspective/demands are compatible with the FreeBSD ports system. If the answer is "no," then no harm, no foul, everyone moves on with their lives. Regardless of the outcome however it is a hard and fast requirement that we conduct ourselves as professionals, especially if we feel compelled to criticize another party for not doing so. I've written three original pieces of software for FreeBSD now, and even though I have complete control over the software itself, and the ports for the 2 in the ports tree, I still get a non-trivial number of what I will politely refer to as "wacky user questions." Therefore I have a certain amount of sympathy with Tuomo's position here. I think it's unfortunate that we could not reach an accommodation for this particular case, but I wish Tuomo the best of luck in his future endeavors. Doug PS, I do not in any way wish to discourage users from sending me questions about my stuff, although I find that not-infrequently my reply is, "You might want to give the man page another look ..." :) -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 23:35:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E59F16A530 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:35:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD8813C461 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:35:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (c-71-60-127-199.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.60.127.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBF01EBC3C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:35:42 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:35:42 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:35:44 -0000 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers > > for all his problems with software and users. >=20 > Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't engage in= =20 > direct communications with forums such as ours. Their licenses suck much= =20 > more, however -- think Java, cdrtools, or Skype, and all the other=20 > closed-source packages. Put Tuomo's demands in perspective, for crying ou= t=20 > loud... What perspective? The port does not meet his license requirements. Nobody has submitted patches to make it meet said requirements. The project has to remove it. What perspective do I have to keep? Oh, you mean the part where he comes onto the FreeBSD lists and insults all the hard-working ports maintainers? Sure, I'll keep that in perspective. > > It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance wi= th > > his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. =A0If he's going to demand that = his > > terms be followed, then it has to come out of the ports. >=20 > Actually, it can be done -- when building the port, the date on the distf= ile=20 > (or that on the most recent source-file /extracted/ therefrom) can be che= cked=20 > against the current date and a prominent message can be issued warning of= =20 > possible obsoleteness (sp?)... Sure. As I already stated: please submit a patch. Without someone who actually cares enough to patch the port, it must be removed do to license problems. This is _no_ different than any other port with similar conflicts between licensing and available manpower to meet those licensing requirements. The _only_ difference is that Tuomo thought it necessary to come onto our lists and make a big stink about it, filling my inbox to overflowing. > I just wish we avoided the rash decisions like "let's remove everything=20 > written by the guy we don't like NOW" -- if only in the name of "ports=20 > slush"... In the hurry to spite the admittedly unpleasant-sounding author= ,=20 > the needs and expectations of the users were neglected. Well, I said that because the guy irritates me. Let me be clear on this point. I maintain a few ports. I am _NOT_ in a position to dictate policy, I was only stating my opinion -- which _MUST_ not be construed to be the overall opinion of the FreeBSD community. There are far too many quality hackers out there who _do_ care about the community to tolerate one who seems to be in conflict with his community. > I've never used ion, but, judging from some responses here, it is an=20 > appreciated piece of software. Fair enough. In that case, those who appreciate it should submit patches that meet Tuomo's requirements. This is how it's done. This is how it's _always_ been done. If the original maintainer is no longer keeping up with the software, then someone else needs to step up. It's his software. If his requirements can't be met, then the port comes out of the tree. What else do you expect to happen? --=20 Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 23:42:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FB816A54E for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:42:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001D313C478 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:42:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2bDs-0000jR-6C for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:42:40 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:42:40 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:42:40 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:42:43 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran wrote: > There are far too many quality hackers out there who _do_ care about the > community to tolerate one who seems to be in conflict with his community. Since when have I been part of some purported "community"? There's just me, a handful of other people with some traces of sanity, and a herd that keeps turning FOSS and *nix into a big pile of steaming shit. That's not a community. Maybe the herd feels they're one, but I'm not in it. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 12 23:52:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AB616A420 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: from mail5out.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08AFC13C469 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from edwin@mavetju.org) Received: by mail5out.barnet.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 106382218A68; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:52:08 +1100 (EST) X-Viruscan-Id: <4760742700014FCD09A5D8@BarNet> Received: from mail5auth.barnet.com.au (mail5.barnet.com.au [202.83.178.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mail5auth.barnet.com.au", Issuer "*.barnet.com.au" (verified OK)) by mail5.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0D921B176E; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:52:07 +1100 (EST) Received: from k7.mavetju (k7.mavetju.org [10.251.1.18]) by mail5auth.barnet.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FE722189D9; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:52:06 +1100 (EST) Received: by k7.mavetju (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 10AAE12C; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:52:06 +1100 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:52:06 +1100 From: Edwin Groothuis To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071212235206.GG40969@k7.mavetju> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:52:09 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 11:42:31PM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > Since when have I been part of some purported "community"? There's > just me, a handful of other people with some traces of sanity, and See, that's the problem! Only some traces of sanity left in there... I'll spell it out in little words with at most two parts: - You wanted ion-3 to be gone from the FreeBSD ports tree because it failed to comply with your idea of how it should be handled. - ion-3 is gone from the FreeBSD ports tree. You won! Now go back to your cave until the winter is over and you can get rid of your (three part word, be warned ->) hormones. Edwin -- Edwin Groothuis | Personal website: http://www.mavetju.org edwin@mavetju.org | Weblog: http://www.mavetju.org/weblog/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 00:30:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C8416A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C5A13C459 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com) Received: (qmail 31790 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 00:30:49 -0000 Received: from aldan.algebra.com (HELO aldan-mlp) ([216.254.65.224]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2007 00:30:48 -0000 From: Mikhail Teterin Organization: Virtual Estates, Inc. To: Bill Moran Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:30:46 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:30:49 -0000 =D3=C5=D2=C5=C4=C1 12 =C7=D2=D5=C4=C5=CE=D8 2007 06:35 =D0=CF, Bill Moran = =F7=C9 =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC=C9: > It's his software. =9AIf his requirements can't be met, then the port com= es > out of the tree. =9AWhat else do you expect to happen? I expect the port-removal to be initiated/done in an orderly fashion. This= =20 includes marking it FORBIDDEN (or IGNORE, or BROKEN): FORBIDDEN=3D Violates licensing requirements of the author and: EXPIRATION_DATE=3D<> This would give those people, whom you expect to submit patches, some time = to,=20 actually, create them... Only if nothing materializes by the expiration dat= e,=20 should the port be deleted. -mi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 00:33:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5867216A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:33:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AE5013C448 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:33:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1184338pyb.3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:33:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1u4POj8K73JBbjLnXQInd2mkqQV2GK6s/2xOjpv56LU=; b=s0BhwlxDaty9TJe6LZdFxKXN3rDQYieb0Nfz4kH4UuU4JDVfKKMv4lmZ1q7FBvOZLKOC8JTKlEi5icNwzKCgK60HIAyEDlA1vttz4vbMp0ATaSRBnvPFLbqPO6Uzy/TIw8axwrjHGn0EC47CuGIW4O1aL8M18jaGdaKdILZmmpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HzjxnxVHkUxkeHrfzwHFa5mtA+FXbOPT4qRMUiYPh94rrz3CeUblrH+wBxUltU3v+OmuWHwRSohoS0GNm8HKNRQRrAn8hJO7iW4ZIxadLSpRYnpmMZZX9TEVZl4YdA34BbdTKC64QvkNNKvHwmhWdlzCUzJaJnGMsgcvbIXC1D4= Received: by 10.65.153.10 with SMTP id f10mr2882029qbo.33.1197505999901; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:33:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm1305084qba.1.2007.12.12.16.33.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:33:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47607DCE.5080900@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:33:18 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mikhail Teterin References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> In-Reply-To: <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Bill Moran , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:33:21 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > ÓÅÒÅÄÁ 12 ÇÒÕÄÅÎØ 2007 06:35 ÐÏ, Bill Moran ÷É ÎÁÐÉÓÁÌÉ: >> It's his software. If his requirements can't be met, then the >> port comes out of the tree. What else do you expect to happen? > > I expect the port-removal to be initiated/done in an orderly > fashion. This includes marking it FORBIDDEN (or IGNORE, or BROKEN): > > No who ever did the removal just summarily removed it from the cvs repo. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYH3OzIOMjAek4JIRAr3GAJ9VJZGMB4M2ULfejOnuA6OEjsgD1ACgo3/t UIewehvvOOQrWmEQeHlLgc4= =bXLe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 00:56:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5D416A41B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B70B13C469 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from working (c-71-60-127-199.hsd1.pa.comcast.net [71.60.127.199]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F4D0EBC3C; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:56:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:56:13 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <20071212195613.4d9a8b4d.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:56:15 -0000 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > Ñереда 12 грудень 2007 06:35 по, Bill Moran Ви напиÑали: > > It's his software.  If his requirements can't be met, then the port comes > > out of the tree.  What else do you expect to happen? > > I expect the port-removal to be initiated/done in an orderly fashion. This > includes marking it FORBIDDEN (or IGNORE, or BROKEN): > > FORBIDDEN= Violates licensing requirements of the author > > and: > > EXPIRATION_DATE=<> > > This would give those people, whom you expect to submit patches, some time to, > actually, create them... Only if nothing materializes by the expiration date, > should the port be deleted. It's absolutely a shame that couldn't be done, but he demanded that the port be fixed prior to release. Without a fix to hand, the only way to guarantee that FreeBSD wouldn't be in violation of the license agreement was to pull the port. Generate a patch and submit it. I'm sure the port will be reinstated as soon as somebody does so. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 01:00:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB76316A41B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from freebsd.alaskaparadise.com (freebsd.alaskaparadise.com [208.79.80.117]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CB813C448 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:00:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beech@freebsd.org) Received: from 137-42-178-69.gci.net (137-42-178-69.gci.net [69.178.42.137]) by freebsd.alaskaparadise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05A8B238358C; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:00:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Beech Rintoul To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:00:00 -0900 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> In-Reply-To: <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> X-Face: jC2w\k*Q1\0DA2Q0Eh&BrP/Rt2M,^2O#R07VoT98m*>miQF9%Bi9vy`F6cPjwEe?m,)=?utf-8?q?2=0A=09X=3FM=5C=3AOE9QgZ?="xT3/n3,3MJ7N=Cfkmi%f(w^~X"SUxn>; 27NO; C+)g[7J`$G*SN>{<=?utf-8?q?O=3Bg7=7C=0A=09o=7D=265A=5D4?=@7D`=Eb@Zs1Ln814?]|k@'bG=.Ca"[|8+_.OsNAo8!#?4u MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712121600.04610.beech@freebsd.org> Cc: Mikhail Teterin Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Beech Rintoul List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:00:10 -0000 On Wednesday 12 December 2007, Mikhail Teterin said: > > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame > > packagers for all his problems with software and users. > > Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't > engage in direct communications with forums such as ours. Their > licenses suck much more, however -- think Java, cdrtools, or Skype, > and all the other closed-source packages. Put Tuomo's demands in > perspective, for crying out loud... Lets not pick on Skype. While they may be closed source, they are very accommodating and interested in FreeBSD and FreeBSD users. They certainly don't put unreasonable demands on me as maintainer or the FreeBSD Project itself. I have direct access to their developers and they in fact rolled the new OSS version mostly for our benefit. There are no "28 day or rename it something else" provisions anywhere in their license. That to me is a completely unreasonable demand. Beech -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Beech Rintoul - FreeBSD Developer - beech@FreeBSD.org /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | FreeBSD Since 4.x \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | http://www.freebsd.org X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Latest Release: / \ - http://www.FreeBSD.org/releases/6.2R/announce.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 01:52:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B9A416A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux-list@uol.com.br) Received: from goat.gigo.com (goat.gigo.com [216.218.228.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F8013C469 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:52:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux-list@uol.com.br) Received: from 200.140.84.4 (200-140-84-4.bsace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [200.140.84.4]) by goat.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8DB836 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 67257 invoked from network); 12 Dec 2007 23:34:23 -0200 Received: from unknown (HELO nexxus.fedaykin.here) (127.0.0.1) by exxodus.fedaykin.here with SMTP; 12 Dec 2007 23:34:23 -0200 Message-ID: <47608C1D.5040405@uol.com.br> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:34:21 +0000 From: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071118) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sanjuan Sanchez References: <20071212174303.GA16152@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20071212174303.GA16152@soaustin.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mark Linimon , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: xmule port X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:52:15 -0000 Hi, > I have noticed that xMule has been removed from our ports tree. > Could someone say me why? I uses xmule and worked for me, but now i > cant install it from ports. I removed it due to lack of development. The last update happened on 09/11/2006, more than a year ago. Since the de facto standard for edonkey p2p communication is emule, a client is of no help if it does not follow emule's development. xmule implements none of the last year worth of emule protocol development. You are better off trying either net-p2p/amule or net-p2p/mldonkey (which I personally recommend). If you still want to use xmule, I'll revive the port with no maintainer. Regards, -- Mario S F Ferreira - DF - Brazil - "I guess this is a signature." feature, n: a documented bug | bug, n: an undocumented feature From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:12:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D19C16A468 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:12:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3185E13C4FD for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:12:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5C9128C0FC; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:12:17 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:12:17 -0600 To: Mikhail Teterin Message-ID: <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:12:18 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:30:46PM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > I expect the port-removal to be initiated/done in an orderly fashion. Claims of license violations absolutely trump any "process requirements". portmgr has the explicit task of keeping the Ports Collection in as best a legal state as possible. Further, note that my initial commit tried to do this, and I asked the author if it was acceptable. It was clear from his reply that it was not -- especially considering the following history: http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pkg/2007/10/28/0000.html Anyone interested in this thread needs to go read that one first. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:15:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C11416A473 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:15:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5DE413C474 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:15:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.146.189] (port=48558 helo=smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J2abN-0007ta-80 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:53 +0100 Received: from cp1228410-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.157.163]:61646 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J2abM-0008OX-HV for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:53 +0100 Received: by desktop.homenet (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:09 +0100 From: "Danny Pansters" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:02:09 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> In-Reply-To: <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> X-Face: (Zs+'ncTcchkOX|~t6{?Iii=O!G#WEK!+OD0|-F=i%1pvP5V_Sz4PaJC8o)=?utf-8?q?MiSnH/JMJFy=0A=09oBN-My?=, v":S7, (=?utf-8?q?mmkPm=27U=7BMgT+eM=2EBd=5Cp/P!dr=5DhOTXqpse21O!=25Ct=60SE=2EOodq?= =?utf-8?q?=5Dry=5E=23kU=5E=0A=09-?=GT.[8D}i$6P>=" =?utf-8?q?=23=0A=09*J+4d=7E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712130002.09967.danny@ricin.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:15:58 -0000 On Wednesday 12 December 2007 23:01:57 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > The simple fact is that Tuomo has some strange desire to blame packagers > > for all his problems with software and users. > > Yes, license-crafting lawyers are usually more polite and don't engage in > direct communications with forums such as ours. Their licenses suck much > more, however -- think Java, cdrtools, or Skype, and all the other > closed-source packages. Put Tuomo's demands in perspective, for crying out > loud... > > > It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance wi= th > > his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. =9AIf he's going to demand that = his > > terms be followed, then it has to come out of the ports. > > Actually, it can be done -- when building the port, the date on the > distfile (or that on the most recent source-file /extracted/ therefrom) c= an > be checked against the current date and a prominent message can be issued > warning of possible obsoleteness (sp?)... > > I just wish we avoided the rash decisions like "let's remove everything > written by the guy we don't like NOW" -- if only in the name of "ports > slush"... In the hurry to spite the admittedly unpleasant-sounding author, > the needs and expectations of the users were neglected. Google a bit: ArchLinux (well, it was in the user-submitted "ports tree" that they have),= =20 Gentoo, Debian/ubuntu, NetBSD, OpenBSD. The latter had a pre license-change= =20 version and it was decided to stick with that. The others dumped it. The guy was never trying to find any compromise. He wants to go close sourc= ed=20 or something and "move to windows xp in a few years", on which apparently=20 there's a need for his software.=20 Also, it's worth noting that there seems to be no trademark at all, the aut= hor=20 is under the impression that a trademark doesn't have to be applied for (of= =20 course that goes for copyright, not trademarks). This is from early in the = ML=20 thread over at Archlinux, dated april 2007.=20 The guy's got a huge grudge or something, maybe even a serious mental probl= em=20 (that is not meant as hyperbole -- look through some of the above "distros"= =20 ML archives). You can't do OSS and be a control freak at the same time. It just doesn't w= ork=20 like that. mlc has handled this exactly how he should have. With a swagger! I promise not to reply to this thread any more :) Dan > I've never used ion, but, judging from some responses here, it is an > appreciated piece of software. > > -mi > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:21:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72B9616A41B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 673DC13C4F5 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:21:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id E73A38C0FB; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:21:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:21:42 -0600 To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20071213022142.GA3862@soaustin.net> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:21:43 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:12:17PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pkg/2007/10/28/0000.html > > Anyone interested in this thread needs to go read that one first. As well as http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/tur-users/2007-April/004634.html, which contains the history of the author's legal threat against ArchLinux. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:24:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 482EB16A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:24:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: from syn.atarininja.org (syn.csh.rit.edu [129.21.60.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 377D013C455 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:24:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wxs@atarininja.org) Received: by syn.atarininja.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 547EE5C2E; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:28:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:28:56 -0500 From: Wesley Shields To: Bill Moran Message-ID: <20071213022856.GC40304@atarininja.org> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212195613.4d9a8b4d.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071212195613.4d9a8b4d.wmoran@potentialtech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: Mikhail Teterin , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:24:27 -0000 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:56:13PM -0500, Bill Moran wrote: > Mikhail Teterin wrote: > > > > ???????????? 12 ?????????????? 2007 06:35 ????, Bill Moran ???? ????????????????: > > > It's his software. ??If his requirements can't be met, then the port comes > > > out of the tree. ??What else do you expect to happen? > > > > I expect the port-removal to be initiated/done in an orderly fashion. This > > includes marking it FORBIDDEN (or IGNORE, or BROKEN): > > > > FORBIDDEN= Violates licensing requirements of the author > > > > and: > > > > EXPIRATION_DATE=<> > > > > This would give those people, whom you expect to submit patches, some time to, > > actually, create them... Only if nothing materializes by the expiration date, > > should the port be deleted. > > It's absolutely a shame that couldn't be done, but he demanded that the > port be fixed prior to release. Without a fix to hand, the only way to > guarantee that FreeBSD wouldn't be in violation of the license agreement > was to pull the port. > > Generate a patch and submit it. I'm sure the port will be reinstated as > soon as somebody does so. I am one of those users of Ion and after reading this thread I went and looked around at alternatives, only to find out that I still liked Ion the best. I was willing to submit patches to bring the port in line with Tuomo's wishes, until I read: http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/tur-users/2007-April/004634.html My understanding of this thread is that if xinerama option is enabled the package name must be changed to indicate it is not an official release. Apparently changing the package name to be ion-OMG-YOU-ENABLED-XINERAMA-THIS-IS-NOT-A-SUPPORTED-PACKAGE is not acceptable by him. It is at this point that I decided his requests will not be able to be met within the ports framework and it's better left off dead. I'll be maintaining my own copy of the port for my personal use, but I don't see how the port can ever be revived given the statements he has made in the link given above. Let it die, please. -- WXS From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:26:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0303616A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:26:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vanilla@fatpipi.com) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA87513C469 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:26:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vanilla@fatpipi.com) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 68so265838wra.13 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:26:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.146.14 with SMTP id t14mr483321ybd.122.1197511055431; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:57:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.151.7.9 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:57:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:57:35 +0800 From: "=?BIG5?B?rn2kVK71?=" To: "Lance Ward" In-Reply-To: <9b705e130712120412l4be2493i4174ed2d42d86570@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9b705e130712120412l4be2493i4174ed2d42d86570@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "stas@FreeBSD.org" , "ports@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: enlightenment-20070223_1,1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:26:47 -0000 you can try http://people.freebsd.org/~vanilla/e.tgz I sended this patch to stas@ about 3 month ago. 2007/12/12, Lance Ward : > > Hi, > I see from the FreeBSD ports page that you are the maintainer of the > Enlightenment package and I was just wondering if there were any plans for > an update. > > > Thank you, > > Lance > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:30:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8975016A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:30:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pj@smo.de) Received: from ilk.de (mx-out13.ilk.de [194.121.104.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1379413C4E3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:30:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pj@smo.de) Received: from bologna.intern.smo.de (pool57.ka.ilk.net [212.86.194.57]) by ilk.de (8.13.4/8.13.4/ilk-relay) with ESMTP id lBCGmvE4023855; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:48:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.153.208] (herdubreid.intern.smo.de [192.168.153.208]) by bologna.intern.smo.de (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBCGiZEE024696; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:44:35 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <47601131.6010800@smo.de> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:49:53 +0100 From: Philipp Ost User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20071021 X-Accept-Language: de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <475F79F1.6040702@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: scope of the port re-engineering project X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:30:41 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: [...] > c. Attempt to unify all methods of FreeBSD software installation into > a single system > d. Same as c but for all BSD like OS's Wouldn't you clone pkgsrc if you decide on going for d.? Philipp From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:36:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A80316A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:36:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: from mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E984D13C46A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:36:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@chuckr.org) Received: (qmail 19694 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 02:36:50 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail7.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2007 02:36:50 -0000 Message-ID: <47609A1E.90107@chuckr.org> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:34:06 -0500 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.9) Gecko/20071107 SeaMonkey/1.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475F7332.2020501@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <475F7332.2020501@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:36:51 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > *PLEASE ONLY REPLY TO ME OR -PORTS@* Omigod!! For Gods sake, could you PLEASE not have folks reply to the list! We have been sufficiently bombarded with this already. If you must have the replies public, then send them to freebsd-chat, but plesae stop polluting the list (as you are clearly asking people to do above). > > A few disclaimers: > > Neither I or anyone else is asking for FreeBSD to incorparate any > modifications to the current base system and/or ports collection. If > and when any code is developed from this process it will be committed > using normal commit and review processes. > > The following summary of results is based on my eyeballing of > answers and should not be interpreted as being any sort of > mathematically and/or scientifically valid in any manner. > > Number of responses: roughly 30 > > Summary of results: > > 1. Most respondents stated that both the underlaying OS and the ports > collection are equally important. When a preference was shown it was > for the underlaying OS in most cases. > > 2. On average people tend to interact with the port system once or > twice a week > > 3. The single best aspect of the ports system according to respondents > is dependency tracking when installing new ports > > 4. The single worst aspect of the ports system according to > respondents is dependency tracking when updating or deleting existing > ports > > 5. Most respondents would not change there answers tothe survey if > they where new to FreeBSD > > 6. Almost all respondents would use a new system if it fixed their > personal worst aspect of the current system > > 7. About 50% of respondents would use a new system if it broke the > best aspect of the ports system but fixed the worst aspect > > 8. Length of FreeBSD usage: rough avr. of 8 years with roughly 3 year > std. dev. > > 9. Prefered install method: ports > > 10. Usage roughly evenly spread among desktop, development and servers > > 11. Subsystem ratings (rough avr's): > > UI: 6 > Constancy: 9 > Dependancy tracking: 7 > Record keeping: 9 > Granularity: 9 > > 12. Most users are either sysadmins and/or developers > > Orginial Survey: > > As has been hashed out in -ports@ over the last few days there is at > least a need to examine weither or not the current ports system should > remain as is or potentially be re-engineered in the future (estimates > if and when needed vary from ASAP to 10-15 years). I have > volunteered to undertake a feasibility/pilot project to examine what > changes (if any) are needed in the system (for the purposes of this > thread I will not venture any of my own suggestions). I have the > following broad questions for people: > > 1. What is more important to your personal use of FreeBSD (the ports > system, the underlaying OS, some other aspect)? > > 2. How frequently do you interact with the ports systems and what is > the most common interaction you have with it? > > 3. What is the single best aspect of the current system? > > 4. What is the single worst aspect of the current system? > > 5. If you where a new FreeBSD user how would your answers above > change? If you where brand new to UNIX how whould they change? > > 6. Assuming that there was no additional work on your behalf would you > use a new system if it corrected your answer to number 4? > > 7. Same as question 6 but for your answer on question 3? > > 8. How long have you used FreeBSD and/or UNIX in general? > > 9. That is your primary use(s) for your FreeBSD machine(s) (name upto 3)? > > 10. Assuming there is no functional difference what is your preferred > installation method for 3rd party software? > > 11. On a scale from 1 to 10 (10 being the best) please rate the > importance of the following aspects of the ports system? > > a. User Interface > b. Consistency of behaviors and interactions > c. Accuracy in dependant port installations > d. Internal record keeping > e. Granularity's of the port management system > > 12. Please rate your personal technical skill level? > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHX3MyzIOMjAek4JIRAqqjAJ9YlNJW9Uqa21yK+sm1IST+KmO7QACfeum+ > 9rhuEkdKX6BKkFZr6WGmbDU= > =jhg0 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hackers > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hackers-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:38:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804F116A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7394F13C457 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:38:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 0A57C8C0FB; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:38:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:38:25 -0600 To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20071213023825.GA4454@soaustin.net> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213022142.GA3862@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071213022142.GA3862@soaustin.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:38:25 -0000 It was pulled from Debian, as well: http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/ion3/news/20070310T233909Z.html As far as I'm concerned, the matter is closed. When 4 different* OS groups come to the same conclusion, I think there's not much else to say. mcl * pkgsrc, ArchLinux, Debian, and now FreeBSD From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 02:44:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B069B16A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=1867102569=killing@multiplay.co.uk) Received: from mail1.multiplay.co.uk (core6.multiplay.co.uk [85.236.96.23]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1394613C442 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:44:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prvs=1867102569=killing@multiplay.co.uk) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple; d=multiplay.co.uk; s=Multiplay; t=1197513177; x=1198117977; q=dns/txt; h=Received: Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=zwNuQiDCmyp00YN6QMj1Q 8CBNoM0AD7R9H3cUmWMm8c=; b=BguI9EYQ1pz567aowUfkS3OYcharPJBFKTx5B ykNTUq2JF/7lzw8VJgFqOEL7napitYgjiJaqjD2Gd9bXaxMdatGk4mgdUobR3N4a DxFeaOs/qu6FY6UWv6KDSDC5qv7vX40X4QbLvQy9ryzj85+pLZ8f4Q/quSeB8Yr+ U8J2ak= X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.8 (2007-02-13) on mail1.multiplay.co.uk X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.7 required=6.0 tests=BAYES_00, USER_IN_WHITELIST, USER_IN_WHITELIST_TO autolearn=ham version=3.1.8 Received: from r2d2 by mail1.multiplay.co.uk (MDaemon PRO v9.6.3) with ESMTP id md50004628868.msg for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:32:56 +0000 Message-ID: <050001c83d30$75f9d150$b6db87d4@multiplay.co.uk> From: "Steven Hartland" To: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org><200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com><20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com><200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com><20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213022142.GA3862@soaustin.net> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:32:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Authenticated-Sender: Killing@multiplay.co.uk X-MDRemoteIP: 212.135.219.182 X-Return-Path: prvs=1867102569=killing@multiplay.co.uk X-Envelope-From: killing@multiplay.co.uk X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Spam-Processed: mail1.multiplay.co.uk, Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:32:56 +0000 X-MDAV-Processed: mail1.multiplay.co.uk, Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:32:57 +0000 Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:44:59 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Linimon" > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:12:17PM -0600, Mark Linimon wrote: >> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pkg/2007/10/28/0000.html >> >> Anyone interested in this thread needs to go read that one first. > > As well as http://www.archlinux.org/pipermail/tur-users/2007-April/004634.html, > which contains the history of the author's legal threat against ArchLinux. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_%28window_manager%29#Controversy Regards Steve ================================================ This e.mail is private and confidential between Multiplay (UK) Ltd. and the person or entity to whom it is addressed. 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From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 03:18:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1D6A16A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC6E613C465 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1295793pyb.3 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:18:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iV3/6qZO08q/SuCGicPDOqYQ3yWvSl1HZUCuR4c0CiA=; b=Bclumjv+1VzhwEPcM0emzUtXlLmmObCsbSL8YJ1rvhkquW+hkP+fF8s0Fdl2vDvNyRXvMNQUoyXIzF5ic4G3AVBR6PI45+75WClEmyVMwjBImh2MtXXwNnzYaOl+XBCjiYt+sikQdlgz7YkBG9MmHapfaYZpXVNfZv/r1qLX5PA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=re9U/5t95tPBLfGcUtOp67SumCoMwRFPq+PJfGgp54HnBUBMBCVltThYoYGcSXCyQJLv8i9d7LpgstKFtKYg3ZfadljqG9bOHzFguYguffsmUZXZaLwRvLcvfQmUKl2Pt85pBcV+JzGh0Fm1KKJQFNSNyVVEwpcUyYqWHl5Lfz8= Received: by 10.65.222.11 with SMTP id z11mr3182201qbq.39.1197515923329; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e13sm5416878qba.2007.12.12.19.18.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:18:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4760A491.30905@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:18:41 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Pansters References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <200712130002.09967.danny@ricin.com> In-Reply-To: <200712130002.09967.danny@ricin.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:18:46 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > an't do OSS and be a control freak at the same time. It just > doesn't work like that. mlc has handled this exactly how he should > have. With a swagger! Recent experiences have shown me that this is not necessarly true... usually the control freak side comes out in "that is a bad idea don't waste your time" type comments on purposals. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYKSRzIOMjAek4JIRAnmBAJ9I+DG+Lr1eDWRVhvk+0PcLN4gVegCfc3vE xfX4pGb87eopVNtM2SwNepc= =2Ojn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 03:31:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48FB16A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D736A13C4E5 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:31:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com) Received: (qmail 6540 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 03:31:13 -0000 Received: from aldan.algebra.com (HELO aldan-mlp) ([216.254.65.224]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 13 Dec 2007 03:31:13 -0000 From: Mikhail Teterin To: ports@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:31:10 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.1 References: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> Organization: Virtual Estates, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-u" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712122231.11113.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> Cc: Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:31:15 -0000 =D3=C5=D2=C5=C4=C1 12 =C7=D2=D5=C4=C5=CE=D8 2007 09:49 =D0=CF, Mark Linimon= =F7=C9 =CE=C1=D0=C9=D3=C1=CC=C9: > Further, note that my initial commit tried to do this, and I asked the > author if it was acceptable. =9AIt was clear from his reply that it was > not -- especially considering the following history: > > http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-pkg/2007/10/28/0000.html > > Anyone interested in this thread needs to go read that one first. =46rom Tuomo's own words, it would appear, that Debian porters have found a= =20 solution, which he finds acceptable... Maybe, their "pissed-off threshold" is just greater, and they were able to = get=20 through his fireworks without losing the sight of /their users/, who contin= ue=20 to like the software, however frustrating the author's fits... -mi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 07:40:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B6616A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:40:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7FDD13C45A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:40:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2igR-0007Xf-VQ for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:40:40 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:40:39 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:40:39 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <200712130002.09967.danny@ricin.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:40:44 -0000 On 2007-12-12, Danny Pansters wrote: > The guy was never trying to find any compromise. What compromise can be had, when the distros never try to be constructive? > Also, it's worth noting that there seems to be no trademark at all, the > author is under the impression that a trademark doesn't have to be applied > for Trademarks (tm) don't need to be registered (R). Under the Finnish law, registered and unregistered trademarks are almost equal; under other legislations not necessarily entirely so, but there's still some protection. > You can't do OSS and be a control freak at the same time. It just doesn't work > like that. mlc has handled this exactly how he should have. With a swagger! As I have mentioned, the powerful distros expect authors to be their undemanding and unquestioning slaves. "They" were right: FOSS is comm^W collectivist. There's no room for authors, only a herd -- controlled by The Par^Wdistros. Authors are supposed to be content with having served the "common good" -- i.e. the distros' good. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 07:45:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A39B116A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D6E13C467 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2ikg-0000Mo-D8 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:45:02 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:45:02 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:45:02 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:43:36 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:45:20 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon wrote: > Further, note that my initial commit tried to do this, and I asked the > author if it was acceptable. It was clear from his reply that it was > not -- especially considering the following history: It seemed acceptable wrt. the source package; I was querying the effect on binary packages. Also read again what I have written about the Xinerama module. Why is it not a separate package? What is it disguised as part of Ion, when it is not? -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 08:01:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3709C16A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EDC13C46B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 800AB8C0AD; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:01:39 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:01:39 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:01:40 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 07:43:36AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon wrote: > > Further, note that my initial commit tried to do this, and I asked the > > author if it was acceptable. It was clear from his reply that it was > > not -- especially considering the following history: > > It seemed acceptable wrt. the source package; I was querying the > effect on binary packages. It would have prevented binary packages. > Also read again what I have written about the Xinerama module. > Why is it not a separate package? What is it disguised as part > of Ion, when it is not? ion-3 is deleted -- both in source form, and in binary package form -- so the point is moot. Even without the Xinerama code, I don't see how we could have met your 'no modifications' clause and still have ion-3 be able to run on FreeBSD. In fact, I don't see how any packaging system can meet that standard. Perhaps you can tell me where I'm wrong here. My conclusions from your interactions with Debian + Gentoo + ArchLinux + pkgsrc + OpenBSD is that it is not possible for us to meet your objections in a timely fashion for this release. Apparently only Debian felt like they could meet your objections, even in absence of a deadline; the others either deleted it, or, in the case of OpenBSD, stayed with an older version that predates these licensing clauses. I haven't investigated the state of ion-3 with respect to any other major Linux distributions; the above seem to me to be a representative enough sample. Of course, I'm puzzled why the deletion of ion-3 wasn't enough to end this discussion. I myself have no further interest in discussing it. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 08:30:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E408716A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:30:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE68E13C459 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:30:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2jSZ-0007qg-Ej for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:30:23 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:30:23 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:30:23 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 32 Message-ID: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:30:26 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon wrote: > Even without the Xinerama code, I don't see how we could have met your > 'no modifications' clause and still have ion-3 be able to run on FreeBSD. > In fact, I don't see how any packaging system can meet that standard. > Perhaps you can tell me where I'm wrong here. RTFLicense (which few seem to have done, and still moan about it). It talks about "significant" changes. """ If the name Ion(tm) or other names that can be associated with the Ion project are used to distribute this software, then: - A version that does not significantly differ from one of the copyright holder's releases, must be provided by default. """ In the explanations section: """ Significant change: Bug fixes are a priori insignificant as additions. Basic changes that are needed to install or run the software on a target platform are a priori insignificant. Additionally, basic configuration changes to better integrate the software with the target platform, without obstructing the standard behaviour, are a priori insignificant. Everything else is significant. The copyright holder reserves the right to refine the definition of significant changes on a per-case basis. Please consult when in doubt. """ -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 09:08:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CE8E16A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C21513C4F2 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 96DF08C108; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:08:33 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:08:33 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:08:34 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:30:06AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > The copyright holder reserves the right to refine the definition of > significant changes on a per-case basis. In other words, a moving target -- which implies, to me, that to be legally in the clear, that we would first have to vet every possible change or modification, including patches. This would merely add to _your_ email/support burden, which theoretically is what you are trying to minimize by your license terms. This seems circular to me. You may think the quoted text represent reasonable criteria. But in the case of implied threat of legal action, in my opinion, it's not worth anyone's time to try to iterate over every possibility to find out to make sure they -- and others, on their behalf -- aren't somehow liable. The risk is simply too high. There are other window managers that don't have this restriction, and thus no associated legal risk. I suggest people investigate those instead. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, but two semester of US business and contract law taught me one thing: if there is any doubt as to whether something will create legal liability, it is absolutely incumbent on oneself to avoid it. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 09:57:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9714816A421 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:57:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3607013C457 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:57:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-20-82.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.20.82]) by mail18.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBD9uwCl024096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:59 +1100 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBD9uwSv032633; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lBD9uwR4032632; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:58 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:56:57 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213095657.GT11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DIYaQRZjygY6fA2m" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:57:01 -0000 --DIYaQRZjygY6fA2m Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 07:59:34PM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: >On 2007-12-12, Bill Moran wrote: >> It's impossible for the FreeBSD ports system to guarantee compliance with >> his arbitrarily chosen "28 days" rule. =20 > >There is no "28 days" rule. There is a "latest release in 28 days or >prominently mark (potentially) obsolete" rule. I'm not sure how me as an end user not bothering to update my installed package for several months differs from me as a package distributor failing to update a binary distribution to your latest release within 28 days, If your intent is to stop people potentially running superceded code then maybe _you_ need to take some responsibility for this. If you bother to look at the top of your Xorg log, you will find something like the following (older versions of XFree86 included explicit dates for validity). Maybe you should do something similar. X.Org X Server 1.4.0 Release Date: 5 September 2007 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: FreeBSD 7.0-BETA2 i386=20 Current Operating System: FreeBSD ... Build Date: 04 November 2007 09:16:33PM Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. > You can make the marking >permanent, always requiring users to acknowledge a message. You can=20 >make the marking automatic, by checking the website for a new release >(as Debian presently does), or by some more sophisticated means or dead >man triggers. Feel free to submit patches. > You may not be able to distribute such binary packages=20 >with your present setup, but source should be enough. In general, FreeBSD only distributes third-party packages in binary format. > You may even=20 >simply have the package download and install > > http://iki.fi/tuomov/dl/ion-3-latest.tar.gz How will this work if the end user does not have web access or doesn't have the resources or desire to compile it? >(signature in http://iki.fi/tuomov/dl/ion-3-latest.tar.gz.asc). This signature was created using a self-signed key and is therefore useless as a mechanism to verify the associated package. There is no way to verify that the person who created that signature is the same person who wrote the e-mail I am responding to or that either are actually the author of the "official" version of Ion-3. >not about the days. The greatest difficulty to complying with the=20 >license are the idealist blockages in your head. You are free to use whatever license you desire for software that you write. The harder your license is to comply with, the less likely it is that people will comply with it - either they will ignore the license or they will not use the software. The FreeBSD Project takes license issues seriously and, since you refused to assist the Project in complying with your license, the Project had no alternative but to remove your software. I'd suggest that you are the one with "the idealist blockages in your head." --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --DIYaQRZjygY6fA2m Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHYQHp/opHv/APuIcRAmM0AJ9HyBklFG0AqaKOwg0mCwQPRq3/wACfdFpM 1F2D6sovP6FOLDYQpHWYDhI= =ufw/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DIYaQRZjygY6fA2m-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 09:57:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C833616A420 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:57:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [217.20.163.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A100213C4E7 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:57:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8152774401C for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:57:10 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at falcon.cybervisiontech.com Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id njiV0VrJs+9y for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:57:10 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.2.1.87] (gateway.cybervisiontech.com.ua [88.81.251.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547D0744003 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:57:10 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <476101F5.9040803@icyb.net.ua> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:57:09 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: serious error possibly related to bsd.*.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:57:12 -0000 Anybody else seeing this ? Seems to be pretty serious if it's not my local issue. $ portupgrade graphviz "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue This is after portsnap five minutes before this writing. -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:14:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC17E16A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1E013C457 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:14:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 3DE891CC44; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:32:28 -0800 (PST) Content-Disposition: inline From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:32:27 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200712130232.27944.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:14:28 -0000 On Wednesday 12 December 2007 06:04:02 Andrew Pantyukhin wrote: > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 04:38:39AM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > I have used FreeBSD since '95 and except for jerks like you > > have really enjoyed it. > > Are you quite sure it would be there to enjoy if not for jerks > like us? :) Probably not but your past efforts do not entitle you, or anyone else to arrogantly belittle others OR to accuse them of expecting others to " do the heavy lifting" when, as in this case, Aryeh has already said he proposes to do any major coding himself. I suspect antagonistic responsesfrom some people are more about wounded pride (i.e - astonishment why should anyone propose to improve on the procedures, systems and engineering to which they contributed in the past!) Sp please either make contributions that are intended to help the current process rather than boring everyone with negativity My two pennorth ------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:17:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E179B16A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A2113C457 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:17:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2l88-0000g4-FK for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:17:24 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:17:24 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:17:24 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:17:34 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:30:06AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: >> The copyright holder reserves the right to refine the definition of >> significant changes on a per-case basis. > > In other words, a moving target -- which implies, to me, that to be > legally in the clear, that we would first have to vet every possible > change or modification, including patches. Notice the "a priori": it means you're allowed to do that without legal threat until further notice to the contrary. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:23:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B952416A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0AE213C461 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:23:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 37C518C10E; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:23:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:23:04 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213102304.GA19145@soaustin.net> References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:23:04 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:17:16AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > Notice the "a priori": it means you're allowed to do that without legal > threat until further notice to the contrary. Minutiae like this are the reason I pursued engineering, not law. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:28:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611DF16A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3BCA13C447 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:28:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2lII-00027Q-IB for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:27:54 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:27:54 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:27:54 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:27:47 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <20071212073944.GC29211@soaustin.net> <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213095657.GT11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:28:04 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Peter Jeremy wrote: > I'm not sure how me as an end user not bothering to update my > installed package for several months differs from me as a package > distributor failing to update a binary distribution to your latest > release within 28 days, As someone who's been using a particular version for some time, you are more likely to check for a new version before complaining. New consider a new _l_user that has just heard of Ion, installing it from a distro that doesn't keep up-to-date, and running into problems. Aside from lusers having no idea that the distro doesn't keep up-to-date, and distributes old broken development snapshots, running into problems is more likely after a new install than later on. That's what this is about. > In general, FreeBSD only distributes third-party packages in binary format. Umm.. the ports system is primarily source-based, and you distribute the sources. > How will this work if the end user does not have web access or doesn't > have the resources or desire to compile it? I did mention that this does not work for binary packages. > This signature was created using a self-signed key and is therefore > useless as a mechanism to verify the associated package. IRL-based PGP signing customs suck [1]. I don't even know anyone IRL that would have the slightest interest in using encryption. [1]: http://www.iki.fi/tuomov/b/archives/2006/06/25/T00_20_11/ > way to verify that the person who created that signature is the same > person who wrote the e-mail I am responding to or that either are > actually the author of the "official" version of Ion-3. That doesn't matter. What matters is that the _same_ key is used, after you've initially verified the package. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:28:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32BA16A498 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19B513C46B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:28:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1039369waf.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:28:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rFgJcyLYn8RF0PLJtJcO9Cqo4+0hkWMw2hRzyWIEzY0=; b=kjpPm3yKxfMagvRveOfmr+LnKW950Iw1Cz0xQYdtD2Q/ErZK0RsZW5zwRmTJ16kJIAov4PT9U908fSfeKR5VJzC6x45u4MWtj0TgGD0ze8fqGsK8l4EnJi6c72ftZcd5UAj15NwWduFdT/GO5ezPTZUOZv4DLzWKYiteK2yLoYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cCwVaoJAMD8UNlMragxLPxMW7Re3m7VBe9jvu39RqDJE8r54Py6fV2JOngAweLwlL2sHQJSzrS6bA/vXlPUM6mzlxkF6+q4MpSWp1JJ8HANnYIwgvNZNYLBBK4nO1/JFt4rLFK6YW4E7PkQVYeoeB0GnLX6WqKYm9f4fH5kAxFI= Received: by 10.114.177.1 with SMTP id z1mr629373wae.144.1197541735395; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:28:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.110.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:28:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:28:55 +0100 From: "Rene Ladan" To: "Andriy Gapon" In-Reply-To: <476101F5.9040803@icyb.net.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <476101F5.9040803@icyb.net.ua> Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious error possibly related to bsd.*.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:28:56 -0000 2007/12/13, Andriy Gapon : > > Anybody else seeing this ? Seems to be pretty serious if it's not my > local issue. > > > $ portupgrade graphviz > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional > (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > > This is after portsnap five minutes before this writing. > Yes, it's been there since the ports thaw. It seems to be related to graphics/graphviz/Makefile, the bsd.*.mk files haven't been altered since 2007-12-04 (bsd.ruby.mk) so they should be ok. Rene -- GPG fingerprint = E738 5471 D185 7013 0EE0 4FC8 3C1D 6F83 12E1 84F6 (subkeys.pgp.net) "It won't fit on the line." -- me, 2001 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:30:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42AC16A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (marvin.harmless.hu [195.56.55.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894C813C4F3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:30:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu) Received: from localhost (marvin-mail [192.168.0.2]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A9777BFF6A; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:30:32 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.2 (20060627) (Debian) at harmless.hu Received: from marvin.harmless.hu ([192.168.0.2]) by localhost (marvin.harmless.hu [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h+cRCCfB5W3D; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:30:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from marvin.harmless.hu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by marvin.harmless.hu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 844BD7BFF1F; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:30:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:30:30 +0100 From: Gergely CZUCZY To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213103030.GA54733@harmless.hu> References: <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213095657.GT11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=x-unknown; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UugvWAfsgieZRqgk" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: mutt-ng/devel-r804 (FreeBSD) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:30:35 -0000 --UugvWAfsgieZRqgk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:27:47AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-13, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > I'm not sure how me as an end user not bothering to update my > > installed package for several months differs from me as a package > > distributor failing to update a binary distribution to your latest > > release within 28 days, >=20 > As someone who's been using a particular version for some time, you are= =20 > more likely to check for a new version before complaining. New consider > a new _l_user that has just heard of Ion, installing it from a distro that > doesn't keep up-to-date, and running into problems. Aside from lusers=20 > having no idea that the distro doesn't keep up-to-date, and distributes > old broken development snapshots, running into problems is more likely > after a new install than later on. That's what this is about.=20 >=20 > > In general, FreeBSD only distributes third-party packages in binary for= mat. >=20 > Umm.. the ports system is primarily source-based, and you distribute the > sources. False. We distribute the URLs to the sources. Usually the sources are retrieved from the author and its mirrors. Only a few versions are mirrored by the FreeBSD project. > > How will this work if the end user does not have web access or doesn't > > have the resources or desire to compile it? >=20 > I did mention that this does not work for binary packages. >=20 > > This signature was created using a self-signed key and is therefore > > useless as a mechanism to verify the associated package. =20 >=20 > IRL-based PGP signing customs suck [1]. I don't even know anyone IRL > that would have the slightest interest in using encryption. >=20 > [1]: http://www.iki.fi/tuomov/b/archives/2006/06/25/T00_20_11/ >=20 > > way to verify that the person who created that signature is the same > > person who wrote the e-mail I am responding to or that either are > > actually the author of the "official" version of Ion-3. >=20 > That doesn't matter. What matters is that the _same_ key is used, > after you've initially verified the package. >=20 > --=20 > Tuomo >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Sincerely, Gergely Czuczy mailto: gergely.czuczy@harmless.hu --=20 Weenies test. 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Given that as your perspective (which you are of course entitled to), and given that we've already removed the software from our ports tree, I think it's probably reasonable at this point to let this thread die. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:42:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D843716A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from gateway.nixsys.be (gateway.nixsys.be [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f::42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FE013C4D3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:42:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from wotan.home.paeps.cx (wotan.home.paeps.cx [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f:10:a00:20ff:fe9b:138c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wotan.home.paeps.cx", Issuer "NixSys CA" (verified OK)) by gateway.nixsys.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B3440CD; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:42:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from fasolt.home.paeps.cx (fasolt.home.paeps.cx [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f:10:214:5eff:feca:2496]) by wotan.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id E086D6340; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:42:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from fasolt.home.paeps.cx (philip@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fasolt.home.paeps.cx (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBDAgrSv020772; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:42:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from philip@fasolt.home.paeps.cx) Received: (from philip@localhost) by fasolt.home.paeps.cx (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBDAgreM020771; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:42:53 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from philip) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:42:53 +0100 From: Philip Paeps To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213104253.GE60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: Tuomo Valkonen , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="06QVapOOS70QnETl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Fingerprint: 356B AE02 4763 F739 2FA2 E438 2649 E628 C5D3 4D05 X-Date: Today is Boomtime, the 55th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3173 X-Date-in-France: Tridi 23 Frimaire CCXVI, jour du roseau X-Date-in-Rome: Idus Decembres MMDCCLX ab Urbe Condida X-Phase-of-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (13% of Full) X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Organization: Happily Disorganized User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:42:56 -0000 --06QVapOOS70QnETl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2007-12-12 07:22:50 (+0000), Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > Since the so-called package "maintainer" seems to have gone AWOL > (as is typical): I have not gone awol. I replied to your email about the port being out of date the day after you sent it. Not reading my email for a day does not constitute "awol" in my book. As I wrote to you, I was perfectly happy to update the port to the new version, and add any warnings about the (non-default, not packaged) patch. Someone removed the port before I could commit the patch to update it thoug= h. I'm not going to start a long flamewar to recover the port, but unless port= mgr objects, I would like to get it back. It is not particularly difficult to comply with the licence. It just takes= a bit of time (which I'm happy to spend) to keep up with new releases. Of course, sometimes new releases will coincide with ports freezes. I'm happy= to mark it RESTRICTED or whatever with a note that its being outdated is not allowed. Anyway. How does portmgr feel about this? Aye or nay? If "aye", I'll add= it back and continue to maintain it, if "nay", so be it. - Philip --=20 Philip Paeps Please don't Cc me, I am philip@freebsd.org subscribed to the list. "These speakers do look like toilets." "That's why they're playing shit through them." -- Ramsay and Mafoo in the Lighthouse --06QVapOOS70QnETl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHYQytLlu+/QNe/FgRAqsDAKCHbK55Qg/rEKdQV775N5mridMaXQCfY+it /r10v0ANesIQA2EvZWE0DVk= =2rxk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --06QVapOOS70QnETl-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:45:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA74616A46B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460C913C514 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2lZ2-0005Tf-7Z for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:45:12 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:45:12 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:45:12 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213095657.GT11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20071213103030.GA54733@harmless.hu> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:45:23 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Gergely CZUCZY wrote: > False. We distribute the URLs to the sources. Usually the sources are > retrieved from the author and its mirrors. > Only a few versions are mirrored by the FreeBSD project. Including Ion. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:48:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECCD16A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E38013C4CE for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B8B4B1CC07C; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:48:07 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:48:07 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213104807.GA96970@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213095657.GT11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:48:08 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:27:47AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-13, Peter Jeremy wrote: > > In general, FreeBSD only distributes third-party packages in binary format. > > Umm.. the ports system is primarily source-based, and you distribute the > sources. ) This is primarily false, but there is a piece of truth to it. Let's talk about source-based installs first. When someone installs a port (cd /usr/ports/whatever && make), the tarball to the source of the application is downloaded via HTTP or FTP from whatever set of URLs are included in the Makefile as the source location. In the case that all the URLs return errors/time out/fail, there's a fallback mechanism that can be used (it's not necessarily used in every port, however!) where the source tarball is fetched from a "master" FreeBSD FTP server: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/distfiles/ or something along those lines. That FTP server can have a locally mirrored copy of the source tarball. Now, moving on to binary installs (what FreeBSD calls "packages"): Binary packages are pre-compiled binaries which are installed on the users' system -- there is no source downloaded. A lot of users prefer this method since they just have to do "pkg_add someport" and voila, the binary is on their system and away they go. Binary packages are downloaded (by default) from a "master" FreeBSD FTP server, unless overriden. The FTP path differs depending upon which FreeBSD version they're using; for RELENG_6, for example, it's this: ftp://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/ports/i386/packages-6-stable/Latest/ I believe Mark removed the source tarball from the "master" FreeBSD FTP server, and very likely removed the binary packages as well. Does this help you understand things a bit better? -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:50:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E49DD16A418; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C565E13C44B; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 5C9218C108; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:50:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 04:50:42 -0600 To: Jeremy Chadwick Message-ID: <20071213105042.GA20039@soaustin.net> References: <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213095657.GT11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20071213104807.GA96970@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071213104807.GA96970@eos.sc1.parodius.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: Tuomo Valkonen , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:43 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 02:48:07AM -0800, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > I believe Mark removed the source tarball from the "master" FreeBSD FTP > server, and very likely removed the binary packages as well. Correct. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 10:55:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C813E16A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CCD13C468 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:55:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2liP-00075M-VX for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:54:53 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:54:53 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:54:53 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:54:47 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 25 Message-ID: References: <20071213104253.GE60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:55:00 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Philip Paeps wrote: > I have not gone awol. I replied to your email about the port being out of > date the day after you sent it. Closer to two days... > It is not particularly difficult to comply with the licence. It just takes > a bit of time (which I'm happy to spend) to keep up with new releases. Of > course, sometimes new releases will coincide with ports freezes. This time the thaw came quite in time (or did I cause it?-), and maybe the period could have been even a bit longer if people would communicate about such things. However, there's still the problem of binary packages ending up in the release snapshots without prominent notices of obsoleteness. I don't think RCs and development snapshots should end up there at all. That's the problem with distros' megafreezes: you can't sync the development of thousands of packages. And as for stable releases, even they should get bugfixes promptly. Maybe the 28 day limit can be relaxed in such cases a bit, but even half a year may be too long -- two years like with Debian is certainly too long. It depends on the bug at hand: segfaults should be fixed very promptly, whereas minor glitches are not that big deal. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 11:02:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930FB16A479 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C78F13C447 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2lpD-000892-Vb for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:01:55 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:01:55 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:01:55 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:01:50 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 9 Message-ID: References: <20071212080932.GA30438@soaustin.net> <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213095657.GT11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20071213104807.GA96970@eos.sc1.parodius.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:02:06 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > Does this help you understand things a bit better? I know how the system works. I've even tried using FreeBSD on a couple of occasions -- and every time dependencies among the source packages have been broken, etc. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 11:02:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0493516A469 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:02:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64D413C4E9 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:02:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 275228C108; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:02:36 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:02:36 -0600 To: philip@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071213110236.GB20039@soaustin.net> References: <20071213104253.GE60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071213104253.GE60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:02:37 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:42:53AM +0100, Philip Paeps wrote: > Anyway. How does portmgr feel about this? Aye or nay? I do not yet believe that it is possible to meet Tuomo's interpretation of his license without his prior review of every possible patch, and I'm not willing to obligate the FreeBSD project, in perpetuity, to be able to do so. I have no faith whatsoever that the criteria won't change underneath us, based on the conversations with the pkgsrc, OpenBSD, and other package folks (as archived on public lists). Without written assurance from Tuomo that it won't, I cannot in good faith allow this code back in. I highly doubt that that will happen. The only situation I _might_ find acceptable is for us to follow OpenBSD's path and reintegrate the last release of ion-3 that was GPL only, without the extra clauses. Otherwise, I believe we are simply risking too much. Even that, however, I think is extremely risky, given his track record. >From everything I've seen, the goalposts keep moving. I do not trust that they will not continue to do so. Therefore, I don't want to find out, in a court of law, which parts of this license are legally enforceable. It's simply not worth the trouble for one single package out of nearly 18,000. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 11:07:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B873316A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from gateway.nixsys.be (gateway.nixsys.be [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f::42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C76313C4D9 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:07:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from wotan.home.paeps.cx (wotan.home.paeps.cx [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f:10:a00:20ff:fe9b:138c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wotan.home.paeps.cx", Issuer "NixSys CA" (verified OK)) by gateway.nixsys.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B974050; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:07:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from fasolt.home.paeps.cx (fasolt.home.paeps.cx [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f:10:214:5eff:feca:2496]) by wotan.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F796313; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:07:20 +0100 (CET) Received: from fasolt.home.paeps.cx (philip@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fasolt.home.paeps.cx (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBDB7JU0021023; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:07:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from philip@fasolt.home.paeps.cx) Received: (from philip@localhost) by fasolt.home.paeps.cx (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBDB7J0W021022; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:07:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from philip) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:07:19 +0100 From: Philip Paeps To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213110719.GF60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: Tuomo Valkonen , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20071213104253.GE60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Fingerprint: 356B AE02 4763 F739 2FA2 E438 2649 E628 C5D3 4D05 X-Date: Today is Boomtime, the 55th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3173 X-Date-in-France: Tridi 23 Frimaire CCXVI, jour du roseau X-Date-in-Rome: Idus Decembres MMDCCLX ab Urbe Condida X-Phase-of-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (13% of Full) X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Organization: Happily Disorganized User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:07:23 -0000 On 2007-12-13 10:54:47 (+0000), Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-13, Philip Paeps wrote: > > I have not gone awol. I replied to your email about the port being out of > > date the day after you sent it. > > Closer to two days... Yes. > > It is not particularly difficult to comply with the licence. It just > > takes a bit of time (which I'm happy to spend) to keep up with new > > releases. Of course, sometimes new releases will coincide with ports > > freezes. > > This time the thaw came quite in time (or did I cause it?-), and maybe the > period could have been even a bit longer if people would communicate about > such things. I'm fairly sure you didn't cause the thaw. :-) > However, there's still the problem of binary packages ending up in the > release snapshots without prominent notices of obsoleteness. The FreeBSD ports tree is not "pegged" to releases as in other systems. So if a -release user downloads a ports tree, he gets the same tree as someone who is using -current. You do have a point that "obsolete" versions will end up on the snapshots of the ports tree on cds. We have a perfectly good mechanism for dealing with this, it's called NO_CDROM. I would be happy to add this to the Makefile. > I don't think RCs and development snapshots should end up there at all. I don't share your opinion about RCs. Regarding development snapshots, however, the port was named 'ion3-devel' until the first RC - indicating quite clearly that building it gave you software in development. The only reason I did the rename at RC-time was because I thought a release would happen 'real soon' after. It didn't. Note that I'm not complaining about your release schedule. I should have waited with the repocopy until after the release. My fault. > That's the problem with distros' megafreezes: you can't sync the development > of thousands of packages. And as for stable releases, even they should get > bugfixes promptly. Maybe the 28 day limit can be relaxed in such cases a > bit, but even half a year may be too long -- two years like with Debian is > certainly too long. I don't think there has ever been a FreeBSD ports freeze which lasted as long as six months, let alone two years. Generally a month or so is the order of magnitude. > It depends on the bug at hand: segfaults should be fixed very promptly, > whereas minor glitches are not that big deal. During ports freezes, approval from portmgr can be saught to fix things like segfaults. - Philip -- Philip Paeps Please don't Cc me, I am philip@freebsd.org subscribed to the list. BOFH Excuse #180: ether leak From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 11:14:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97EFA16A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from gateway.nixsys.be (gateway.nixsys.be [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f::42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2A913C4D3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:14:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from philip@paeps.cx) Received: from wotan.home.paeps.cx (wotan.home.paeps.cx [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f:10:a00:20ff:fe9b:138c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wotan.home.paeps.cx", Issuer "NixSys CA" (verified OK)) by gateway.nixsys.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F7E64050; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:14:43 +0100 (CET) Received: from fasolt.home.paeps.cx (fasolt.home.paeps.cx [IPv6:2001:6f8:32f:10:214:5eff:feca:2496]) by wotan.home.paeps.cx (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72A466313; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:14:41 +0100 (CET) Received: from fasolt.home.paeps.cx (philip@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fasolt.home.paeps.cx (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBDBEfwF021191; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:14:41 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from philip@fasolt.home.paeps.cx) Received: (from philip@localhost) by fasolt.home.paeps.cx (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id lBDBEeOB021190; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:14:40 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from philip) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:14:40 +0100 From: Philip Paeps To: Mark Linimon Message-ID: <20071213111440.GG60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> Mail-Followup-To: Mark Linimon , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20071213104253.GE60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> <20071213110236.GB20039@soaustin.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071213110236.GB20039@soaustin.net> X-PGP-Fingerprint: 356B AE02 4763 F739 2FA2 E438 2649 E628 C5D3 4D05 X-Date: Today is Boomtime, the 55th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3173 X-Date-in-France: Tridi 23 Frimaire CCXVI, jour du roseau X-Date-in-Rome: Idus Decembres MMDCCLX ab Urbe Condida X-Phase-of-Moon: The Moon is Waxing Crescent (13% of Full) X-Message-Flag: Get a proper mailclient! Organization: Happily Disorganized User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:14:44 -0000 On 2007-12-13 05:02:36 (-0600), Mark Linimon wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:42:53AM +0100, Philip Paeps wrote: > > Anyway. How does portmgr feel about this? Aye or nay? > > I do not yet believe that it is possible to meet Tuomo's interpretation > of his license without his prior review of every possible patch, and I'm > not willing to obligate the FreeBSD project, in perpetuity, to be able > to do so. Assuming you have your portmgr hat on, I'll take this as a very clear "nay" and I won't add the port again. It's fairly easy to maintain locally in $HOME/bin for those of us who still feel it's the only usable window manager. :-) Thanks for the clarification! - Philip -- Philip Paeps Please don't Cc me, I am philip@freebsd.org subscribed to the list. BOFH Excuse #234: Someone is broadcasting pygmy packets and the router doesn't know how to deal with them. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 11:21:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BD016A420 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44CB613C4E3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2m7n-0002Jb-Rk for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:07 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:07 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:07 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:20:55 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <20071213104253.GE60068@fasolt.home.paeps.cx> <20071213110236.GB20039@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:21 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon wrote: > I do not yet believe that it is possible to meet Tuomo's interpretation > of his license without his prior review of every possible patch, If you don't trust your judgement on significant vs. insignificant changes, you can just have the user review them: """ - Significantly altered versions may be provided only if the user explicitly requests for those modifications to be applied, and is prominently notified that the software is no longer considered the standard version, and is not supported by the copyright holder. The version string displayed by the program must describe these modifications and the "support void" status. """ This specifically allows shit like the Xft patch that I will have nothing to do with (not until enabling clear crisp unblurred fonts is no more effort than 'echo crisp = yes > ~/.fonts.conf'), provided that users get an unmodified version unless they known what they're doing. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 11:43:17 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894B716A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: from mx01.sc1.parodius.com (mx01.sc1.parodius.com [72.20.106.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 708A413C4E8 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jdc@parodius.com) Received: by mx01.sc1.parodius.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5B7CA1CC07D; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:43:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:43:17 -0800 From: Jeremy Chadwick To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213114317.GA99131@eos.sc1.parodius.com> References: <20071212083658.GA31114@soaustin.net> <47602AC8.7060609@csub.edu> <476030F0.50501@csub.edu> <20071212142045.de0dcc7e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213095657.GT11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20071213104807.GA96970@eos.sc1.parodius.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 license violation X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:43:17 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:01:50AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-13, Jeremy Chadwick wrote: > > Does this help you understand things a bit better? > > I know how the system works. I've even tried using FreeBSD on a couple > of occasions -- and every time dependencies among the source packages > have been broken, etc. Alright, I just wanted to make sure you knew how it worked, because what you'd stated didn't sound accurate. Also, what relevancy does dependency issues have to the issue we've been discussing? *sigh* -- | Jeremy Chadwick jdc at parodius.com | | Parodius Networking http://www.parodius.com/ | | UNIX Systems Administrator Mountain View, CA, USA | | Making life hard for others since 1977. PGP: 4BD6C0CB | From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 11:55:54 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11A716A420 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:55:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [217.20.163.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152E813C478 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:55:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CC4643C03F; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:55:52 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at falcon.cybervisiontech.com Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3HQ-sRndTWMd; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:55:52 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.2.1.87] (gateway.cybervisiontech.com.ua [88.81.251.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FD443C03B; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:55:51 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47611DC7.20008@icyb.net.ua> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:55:51 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rene Ladan , Dirk Meyer References: <476101F5.9040803@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious error possibly related to bsd.*.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:55:54 -0000 on 13/12/2007 12:28 Rene Ladan said the following: > 2007/12/13, Andriy Gapon : >> Anybody else seeing this ? Seems to be pretty serious if it's not my >> local issue. >> >> >> $ portupgrade graphviz >> "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional >> (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") >> "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif >> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >> >> This is after portsnap five minutes before this writing. >> > Yes, it's been there since the ports thaw. It seems to be related to > graphics/graphviz/Makefile, the bsd.*.mk files haven't been altered > since > 2007-12-04 (bsd.ruby.mk) so they should be ok. > > Rene Hmm, portlint also produces quite a bag of messages in that port: $ portlint -A "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue WARN: Makefile: [316]: use ${VARIABLE}, instead of $(VARIABLE). FATAL: Makefile: [264]: USE_RUBY is set after including bsd.port.pre.mk. WARN: Makefile: [188]: is USE_XORG a user-settable option? Consider using WITH_XORG instead. WARN: Makefile: possible use of absolute pathname "/nonexistent". WARN: Makefile: for new port, make $FreeBSD$ tag in comment section empty, to make CVS happy. FATAL: Makefile: CATEGORIES left blank. set it to "misc" if nothing seems apropriate. FATAL: Makefile: either PORTVERSION or DISTVERSION must be specified Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string WARN: Makefile: COMMENT should begin with a capital, and end without a period FATAL: breaks INDEX ("/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue). 4 fatal errors and 5 warnings found. Not sure which of them are relevant and which are just consequences. This is from make -dA: . if ${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="" IGNORE= cannot install: Unknown component pango . endif _USE_GNOME+= ${pango_USE_GNOME_IMPL} pango ---- at line 634 Global:delete component Applying :M to "" Result is "" "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 12:27:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2B316A419; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:27:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [217.20.163.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890B113C461; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:27:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9DA274401C; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:56 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at falcon.cybervisiontech.com Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rI61e0UCarXo; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:56 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.2.1.87] (gateway.cybervisiontech.com.ua [88.81.251.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCEC744003; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:56 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4761254B.9070304@icyb.net.ua> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:27:55 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rene Ladan , Dirk Meyer References: <476101F5.9040803@icyb.net.ua> <47611DC7.20008@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: <47611DC7.20008@icyb.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious error possibly related to bsd.*.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:27:58 -0000 Sorry for top-posting. Just discovered that if I remove saved options file then things seems to be better. Here's what I had in the file: _OPTIONS_READ=graphviz-2.12_2 WITH_TK=true WITH_XPM=true WITH_ICONV=true WITH_NLS=true WITH_PANGOCAIRO=true WITH_PERL=true WITHOUT_PHP=true WITH_PYTHON=true WITH_RUBY=true WITH_LUA=true WITH_TCL=true WITH_GUILE=true Not sure what exactly and why confused the port. I wasn't even able to run make config. Here's diff between old and new options just in case: --- /tmp/options Mon May 21 11:12:22 2007 +++ /var/db/ports/graphviz/options Thu Dec 13 14:27:03 2007 @@ -1,12 +1,18 @@ # This file is auto-generated by 'make config'. # No user-servicable parts inside! -# Options for graphviz-2.12_2 -_OPTIONS_READ=graphviz-2.12_2 +# Options for graphviz-2.16 +_OPTIONS_READ=graphviz-2.16 WITH_TK=true WITH_XPM=true WITH_ICONV=true WITH_NLS=true WITH_PANGOCAIRO=true +WITH_GTK=true +WITHOUT_GDK_PIXBUF=true +WITH_GNOMEUI=true +WITHOUT_DIGCOLA=true +WITHOUT_IPSEPCOLA=true +WITHOUT_MING=true WITH_PERL=true WITHOUT_PHP=true WITH_PYTHON=true on 13/12/2007 13:55 Andriy Gapon said the following: > on 13/12/2007 12:28 Rene Ladan said the following: >> 2007/12/13, Andriy Gapon : >>> Anybody else seeing this ? Seems to be pretty serious if it's not my >>> local issue. >>> >>> >>> $ portupgrade graphviz >>> "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional >>> (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") >>> "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif >>> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue >>> >>> This is after portsnap five minutes before this writing. >>> >> Yes, it's been there since the ports thaw. It seems to be related to >> graphics/graphviz/Makefile, the bsd.*.mk files haven't been altered >> since >> 2007-12-04 (bsd.ruby.mk) so they should be ok. >> >> Rene > > Hmm, portlint also produces quite a bag of messages in that port: > $ portlint -A > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional > (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > WARN: Makefile: [316]: use ${VARIABLE}, instead of $(VARIABLE). > FATAL: Makefile: [264]: USE_RUBY is set after including bsd.port.pre.mk. > WARN: Makefile: [188]: is USE_XORG a user-settable option? Consider > using WITH_XORG instead. > WARN: Makefile: possible use of absolute pathname "/nonexistent". > WARN: Makefile: for new port, make $FreeBSD$ tag in comment section > empty, to make CVS happy. > FATAL: Makefile: CATEGORIES left blank. set it to "misc" if nothing > seems apropriate. > FATAL: Makefile: either PORTVERSION or DISTVERSION must be specified > Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string > WARN: Makefile: COMMENT should begin with a capital, and end without a > period > FATAL: breaks INDEX ("/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed > conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", > line 6147: if-less endif make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue). > 4 fatal errors and 5 warnings found. > > Not sure which of them are relevant and which are just consequences. > > This is from make -dA: > . if ${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="" > IGNORE= cannot install: Unknown component pango > . endif > _USE_GNOME+= ${pango_USE_GNOME_IMPL} pango > > ---- at line 634 > Global:delete component > Applying :M to "" > Result is "" > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional > (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") > -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 12:39:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0E2416A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:39:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au (fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C297513C458 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:39:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@optushome.com.au) Received: from mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.183]) by fallbackmx07.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDA8URD014397 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:08:30 +1100 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c220-239-20-82.belrs4.nsw.optusnet.com.au [220.239.20.82]) by mail02.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBDA8LiY021682 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:08:22 +1100 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDA8LX6032709; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:08:21 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lBDA8KcV032708; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:08:20 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:08:20 +1100 From: Peter Jeremy To: Mikhail Teterin Message-ID: <20071213100820.GU11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> <200712122231.11113.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7Ha3rcGc4ZVRbLT1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712122231.11113.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:39:46 -0000 --7Ha3rcGc4ZVRbLT1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 10:31:10PM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote: >Maybe, their "pissed-off threshold" is just greater, and they were able to= get=20 >through his fireworks without losing the sight of /their users/, who conti= nue=20 >to like the software, however frustrating the author's fits... It's not an "us" and "them" situation. FreeBSD ports are created and maintained by the people who use the ports. If someone wants to use the software, they are free to provide a port that will comply with the license. So far one person has stated that they tried and gave up. Maybe the next person will be more successful. --=20 Peter Jeremy Please excuse any delays as the result of my ISP's inability to implement an MTA that is either RFC2821-compliant or matches their claimed behaviour. --7Ha3rcGc4ZVRbLT1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHYQSU/opHv/APuIcRAhpaAKClFKxwXuo0zTwCVDW2lkaQD++FtACfV2hl 4dyVQfVcVy4I8CBROy6n0RA= =t/xg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7Ha3rcGc4ZVRbLT1-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 13:09:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4B216A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:09:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF52013C46B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:09:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1121274waf.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:09:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=sa7u7/Z8PC/gWqLi633xLwOhyt5kKc738rpv3ReI7Dk=; b=jV4L/g8wGLkvj5idYpApLelV6p77/cgISmqaTgNIN6/Rq9rvaraWgFz/hP4uIuq0INqqFqkwrRz+l1R43ITesyJ6bJL5Gof7bFwEUT58INC5kSNlXt7l2eRzk1Wh03m8+7bImeiPbfuHbwTjIr41v5br+SKpe0m0lPglJuW2xig= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BBdwF1P7z2S/icoQ/cBBLo7Sx31vNeAkLxLDDTU2pS7OD0WrfIWkeqjDYHTJsmhpnJ5p9jLSU6MP2DI3xH4VUkHfK/6jPTDHnX5ppkOWzg4/Ael+lUTN7DvO8MwTvSWRior8t6RdAk/cu2bMjhsEEWu8Dqf/R20cR38cpYew7uo= Received: by 10.114.14.1 with SMTP id 1mr1207699wan.9.1197551371484; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:09:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.110.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:09:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:09:31 +0100 From: "Rene Ladan" To: "Andriy Gapon" In-Reply-To: <4761254B.9070304@icyb.net.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <476101F5.9040803@icyb.net.ua> <47611DC7.20008@icyb.net.ua> <4761254B.9070304@icyb.net.ua> Cc: Dirk Meyer , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious error possibly related to bsd.*.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:09:35 -0000 2007/12/13, Andriy Gapon : [..] > Not sure what exactly and why confused the port. I wasn't even able to > run make config. > Here's diff between old and new options just in case: > --- /tmp/options Mon May 21 11:12:22 2007 > +++ /var/db/ports/graphviz/options Thu Dec 13 14:27:03 2007 > @@ -1,12 +1,18 @@ > # This file is auto-generated by 'make config'. > # No user-servicable parts inside! > -# Options for graphviz-2.12_2 > -_OPTIONS_READ=graphviz-2.12_2 > +# Options for graphviz-2.16 > +_OPTIONS_READ=graphviz-2.16 > WITH_TK=true > WITH_XPM=true > WITH_ICONV=true > WITH_NLS=true > WITH_PANGOCAIRO=true > +WITH_GTK=true > +WITHOUT_GDK_PIXBUF=true > +WITH_GNOMEUI=true > +WITHOUT_DIGCOLA=true > +WITHOUT_IPSEPCOLA=true > +WITHOUT_MING=true > WITH_PERL=true > WITHOUT_PHP=true > WITH_PYTHON=true > Applying this diff make things work again on my box :) Rene > on 13/12/2007 13:55 Andriy Gapon said the following: > > on 13/12/2007 12:28 Rene Ladan said the following: > >> 2007/12/13, Andriy Gapon : > >>> Anybody else seeing this ? Seems to be pretty serious if it's not my > >>> local issue. > >>> > >>> > >>> $ portupgrade graphviz > >>> "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional > >>> (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") > >>> "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif > >>> make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > >>> > >>> This is after portsnap five minutes before this writing. > >>> > >> Yes, it's been there since the ports thaw. It seems to be related to > >> graphics/graphviz/Makefile, the bsd.*.mk files haven't been altered > >> since > >> 2007-12-04 (bsd.ruby.mk) so they should be ok. > >> > >> Rene > > > > Hmm, portlint also produces quite a bag of messages in that port: > > $ portlint -A > > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional > > (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") > > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif > > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > > WARN: Makefile: [316]: use ${VARIABLE}, instead of $(VARIABLE). > > FATAL: Makefile: [264]: USE_RUBY is set after including bsd.port.pre.mk. > > WARN: Makefile: [188]: is USE_XORG a user-settable option? Consider > > using WITH_XORG instead. > > WARN: Makefile: possible use of absolute pathname "/nonexistent". > > WARN: Makefile: for new port, make $FreeBSD$ tag in comment section > > empty, to make CVS happy. > > FATAL: Makefile: CATEGORIES left blank. set it to "misc" if nothing > > seems apropriate. > > FATAL: Makefile: either PORTVERSION or DISTVERSION must be specified > > Syntax error: Unterminated quoted string > > WARN: Makefile: COMMENT should begin with a capital, and end without a > > period > > FATAL: breaks INDEX ("/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed > > conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", > > line 6147: if-less endif make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue). > > 4 fatal errors and 5 warnings found. > > > > Not sure which of them are relevant and which are just consequences. > > > > This is from make -dA: > > . if ${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="" > > IGNORE= cannot install: Unknown component pango > > . endif > > _USE_GNOME+= ${pango_USE_GNOME_IMPL} pango > > > > ---- at line 634 > > Global:delete component > > Applying :M to "" > > Result is "" > > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional > > (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") > > > > > -- > Andriy Gapon > -- GPG fingerprint = E738 5471 D185 7013 0EE0 4FC8 3C1D 6F83 12E1 84F6 (subkeys.pgp.net) "It won't fit on the line." -- me, 2001 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 13:28:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC1C16A468 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from mail.lovett.com (foo.lovett.com [67.134.38.158]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C460A13C4EA for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ade@lovett.com) Received: from inferno.canal.lovett.com ([172.16.32.23]:62480) by mail.lovett.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J2o6j-0004a4-Vk; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:28:09 -0800 Message-Id: <2BC5322B-368E-4C2F-AC8A-6088FD381793@FreeBSD.org> From: Ade Lovett To: David Southwell In-Reply-To: <200712130232.27944.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 05:28:09 -0800 References: <200712130232.27944.david@vizion2000.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Sender: ade@lovett.com Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:28:11 -0000 On Dec 13, 2007, at 02:32 , David Southwell wrote: > I suspect antagonistic responsesfrom some people are more about > wounded pride > (i.e - astonishment why should anyone propose to improve on the > procedures, > systems and engineering to which they contributed in the past!) You suspect wrong. Sorry. Indeed, I already said as much about the current system, and it's scalability. > Sp please either make contributions that are intended to help the > current > process rather than boring everyone with negativity Since this is a WIP, how about taking it to a specific mailing list that is not related to how things currently operate. I read ports@ for one reason, and one reason only, to keep abreast of potential issues with the *current* system. It's not hard to set up a mailing list. Hell, I'll even host it myself if that's what it takes, but as things stand, ports@ (or, indeed, any other exising mailing list) is not the right place to be discussing concepts that are, fluid. -aDe From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 13:47:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA3716A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A6213C43E for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDDkjho010364; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:46:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <476137D2.6080501@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:46:58 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071203 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ade Lovett References: <200712130232.27944.david@vizion2000.net> <2BC5322B-368E-4C2F-AC8A-6088FD381793@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <2BC5322B-368E-4C2F-AC8A-6088FD381793@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:00 -0000 Ade Lovett wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 02:32 , David Southwell wrote: >> I suspect antagonistic responsesfrom some people are more about >> wounded pride >> (i.e - astonishment why should anyone propose to improve on the >> procedures, >> systems and engineering to which they contributed in the past!) > > You suspect wrong. Sorry. Indeed, I already said as much about the > current system, and it's scalability. > >> Sp please either make contributions that are intended to help the current >> process rather than boring everyone with negativity > > Since this is a WIP, how about taking it to a specific mailing list that > is not related to how things currently operate. I read ports@ for one > reason, and one reason only, to keep abreast of potential issues with > the *current* system. > > It's not hard to set up a mailing list. Hell, I'll even host it myself > if that's what it takes, but as things stand, ports@ (or, indeed, any > other exising mailing list) is not the right place to be discussing > concepts that are, fluid. Why cannot ports@ be a broad commons? It is not as if David and Aryeh are posting oodles of spam! Definitely their postings are totally pertinent to "Porting software to FreeBSD" (http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo). And what is all this talk of them polluting the list? Far more noise has been generated complaining about them. I understand that you might have a private definition of ports@ that it should only discuss the current system. But if this is all you come to this group for, just press the delete key when it is not something you are personally interested in. Now if someone starts talking about their vacation plans, or even FreeBSD kernel issues, then by all means complain about list pollution - I'll join with you! Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 14:01:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A92C616A41B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B12F13C461 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:01:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AEAEBC3C; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:01:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:00:59 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-Id: <20071213090059.d5d6b6e7.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:01:01 -0000 In response to Tuomo Valkonen : > On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:30:06AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > >> The copyright holder reserves the right to refine the definition of > >> significant changes on a per-case basis. > > > > In other words, a moving target -- which implies, to me, that to be > > legally in the clear, that we would first have to vet every possible > > change or modification, including patches. > > Notice the "a priori": it means you're allowed to do that without legal > threat until further notice to the contrary. Did you not understand the part where Mark described the requirement to avoid possible legal trouble? Since you felt the need to snip out the part of Mark's post that was truly relevant to your reply, I'll reproduce it here: "But in the case of implied threat of legal action, in my opinion, it's not worth anyone's time to try to iterate over every possibility to find out to make sure they -- and others, on their behalf -- aren't somehow liable. The risk is simply too high." Stop abusing this mailing list for your own purposes. Let's state some facts: *) FreeBSD has agreed to remove the offending port in order to comply with your license requirements. However, you continue to complain. *) _Anyone_ could submit a patch to the port to abide by your license requirements and it's likely that it will be committed, yet _nobody_ has. Even you, Tuomo, claim to have bold and revolutionary ideas on package distribution yet would rather argue than WRITE A PATCH AND SUBMIT IT! Beyond that, you've _IGNORED_ posts that I've made in the past suggesting this. *) You blame "distro folks" as abusing developers and expecting them to just provide free work, then you turn around an complain that the FreeBSD people should bend over backwards to accommodate the software you wrote. You're doing the _exact_ thing you accuse others of doing. *) You continually abuse this mailing list by twisting other persons posts to your agenda by snipping relevant information, replying only to the parts that you want to, and redirecting the meaning of other posts. Please go somewhere that you can find emotional healing Tuomo. I, for one, will be glad to see you return as a sane person but have no desire to watch this thread continue as long as you're sick. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 14:23:27 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4918716A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF4413C45A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:23:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDENPvk050995 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:23:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lBDENOi7050994; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:23:24 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) From: Mikhail Teterin To: Peter Jeremy Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:23:24 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> <200712122231.11113.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213100820.GU11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20071213100820.GU11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7whJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:23:27 -0000 On =DE=C5=D4=D7=C5=D2 13 =C7=D2=D5=C4=C5=CE=D8 2007, Peter Jeremy wrote: =3D So far one person has stated that they tried and gave =3D up. =9AMaybe the next person will be more successful. Absolutely right. My point, however, was that the rashed removal makes that= =20 hypothetical next person's job more difficult. No, not impossible -- getting stuff out from the Attic is doable. But more= =20 difficult (possibly involving contacting repo-meisters, etc.) -- we have th= e=20 EXPIRATION_DATE setting for a reason. Any claims of license violations -- which, according to Mark, lead to the=20 hasty removal -- should've been addressed by using FORBIDDEN/IGNORE instead. Not much can be done /now/ -- the reason I'm making these noises is to prev= ent=20 another disorderly deorbiting of a port in the future. -mi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 14:33:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791FF16A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bn209386@students.mimuw.edu.pl) Received: from rainbow.mimuw.edu.pl (students.mimuw.edu.pl [193.0.96.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2284113C468 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bn209386@students.mimuw.edu.pl) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1] ident=NO-USER) by rainbow.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C9C800084 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:36 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mimuw.edu.pl Received: from rainbow.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rainbow.mimuw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y1jc8pVRWQUa for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from students.mimuw.edu.pl (students.mimuw.edu.pl [10.1.1.1] ident=postfix) by rainbow.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by students.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix, from userid 3342) id 6B8E015BE8C4; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:13:16 +0100 (CET) From: Bernard Nowakowski To: ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Subject: make index doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:33:03 -0000 Hi, I've been trying to find a solution to my problem via Google or freebsd-ports' group archive but maybe you can help. The problem is: I run cvsup, go into /usr/ports and type make index. After some minutes I get the following error message: "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue ===> graphics/graphviz failed *** Error code 1 1 error I run cvsup every day for over half a year. I encountered the above problem a few days ago. I'm using FreeBSD 6.2-Release. My /etc/make.conf: CPUTYPE=athlon-xp CFLAGS= -O2 -pipe CXXFLAGS+= -fconserve-space MAKE_SHELL=sh COPTFLAGS= -O -pipe INSTALL=install -C DOC_LANG= en_US.ISO8859-1 pl_PL.ISO8859-2 WITH_NVIDIA_GL=yes PERL_VER=5.8.8 PERL_VERSION=5.8.8 Thanks for help. Bernard From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 14:37:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6626F16A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:37:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RE=57b9b7b3@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E4F13C447 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:36:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RE=57b9b7b3@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A7C164719 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA70CD0A81 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:08:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:08:18 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071213140818.5929bd3b@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: References: <476101F5.9040803@icyb.net.ua> <47611DC7.20008@icyb.net.ua> <4761254B.9070304@icyb.net.ua> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: serious error possibly related to bsd.*.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:37:00 -0000 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:09:31 +0100 "Rene Ladan" wrote: > Applying this diff make things work again on my box :) > I had a problem with this last night, but I just resynced, and all my ports upgraded correctly, so I guess it's fixed now. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 14:44:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B3916A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:44:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD7813C465 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:44:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2pI5-0003U6-6c for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:43:58 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:43:57 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:43:57 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 55 Message-ID: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> <20071213090059.d5d6b6e7.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:44:38 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Bill Moran wrote: > Did you not understand the part where Mark described the requirement to > avoid possible legal trouble? Which part of my reply did you not understand? And at least where I come from, contracts are legally enforceable, even if they're only oral ones -- which would certainly include permissions given on a public mailing list. > *) FreeBSD has agreed to remove the offending port in order to comply > with your license requirements. However, you continue to complain. And you continue to spread misinformation, which I want to correct. > *) _Anyone_ could submit a patch to the port to abide by your license > requirements and it's likely that it will be committed, yet > _nobody_ has. Wrong; see a recent post by the portmgr. > Even you, Tuomo, claim to have bold and revolutionary > ideas on package distribution yet would rather argue than WRITE A > PATCH AND SUBMIT IT! Beyond that, you've _IGNORED_ posts that I've > made in the past suggesting this. I have other things to do than learn yet another packaging system. Those things include fixing things in Ion3, so that a stable release could eventually be made. > *) You blame "distro folks" as abusing developers and expecting them > to just provide free work, then you turn around an complain that > the FreeBSD people should bend over backwards to accommodate the > software you wrote. You're doing the _exact_ thing you accuse > others of doing. As others have stated, it's not difficult to comply with the license. But people are getting paranoid. > *) You continually abuse this mailing list by twisting other persons > posts to your agenda by snipping relevant information, replying > only to the parts that you want to, and redirecting the meaning of > other posts. Good to hear you're not alone. > Please go somewhere that you can find emotional healing Tuomo. I, for > one, will be glad to see you return as a sane person but have no desire > to watch this thread continue as long as you're sick. Healthy mind in a healthy body. The social body of the FOSS movement is sick. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 14:52:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 452B316A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:52:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00E5D13C448 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7859AEBC3D; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:35:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:35:52 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: Mikhail Teterin Message-Id: <20071213093552.7641ba8e.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <200712130923.24488@aldan> References: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> <200712122231.11113.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213100820.GU11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <200712130923.24488@aldan> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:52:07 -0000 In response to Mikhail Teterin : > On четвер 13 грудень 2007, Peter Jeremy wrote: > = So far one person has stated that they tried and gave > = up.  Maybe the next person will be more successful. > > Absolutely right. My point, however, was that the rashed removal makes that > hypothetical next person's job more difficult. There was nothing rash about it. Any lawyer will tell you that under the threat of legal action, you remove the threat, _then_ look in to creative ways to fix the problem. There was not an immediate answer to hand. As a result, Mark did the right thing and protected the FreeBSD project from any potential legal action until a better solution can be found. > Any claims of license violations -- which, according to Mark, lead to the > hasty removal -- should've been addressed by using FORBIDDEN/IGNORE instead. Perhaps you're right. However, I'd like to hear the opinion of a lawyer as to whether this is acceptable or not. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:01:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9105616A421 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D40313C45B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:01:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6BE3E8C114; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:33:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 08:33:06 -0600 To: Mikhail Teterin Message-ID: <20071213143306.GA27297@soaustin.net> References: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> <200712122231.11113.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213100820.GU11310@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <200712130923.24488@aldan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200712130923.24488@aldan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: FreeBSD: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:01:21 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 09:23:24AM -0500, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > No, not impossible -- getting stuff out from the Attic is doable. But more > difficult (possibly involving contacting repo-meisters, etc.) Wrong. You do cvs add, cvs com. > Any claims of license violations -- which, according to Mark, lead to the > hasty removal -- should've been addressed by using FORBIDDEN/IGNORE instead. At least in the US, a court of law won't accept "we'll be deleting the infringing software Pretty Soon." Once notified of the infringement, you are obliged to take immediate action. Keeping us legal is an explicit part of the portmgr charter. If you think otherwise, please contact core@ and they can explain it to you. I doubt you'll take my word for it. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:17:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1CA316A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yves.guerin@muhc.mcgill.ca) Received: from w2blbe14.muhc.mcgill.ca (unknown [198.168.152.40]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1ED513C4CE for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:17:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yves.guerin@muhc.mcgill.ca) Sensitivity: To: ports@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.10 March 22, 2002 Message-ID: From: yves.guerin@muhc.mcgill.ca Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:17:43 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on CH06CUSM00010/Serveurs/SSSS(Release 6.5.4FP3|January 09, 2006) at 12/13/2007 10:17:46 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: problem to reach a maintainer X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:17:47 -0000 Dear I try to send a bug report to: mi@aldan.algebra.com for tclhttpd-3.5.1_= 2 but =C9I got this error = Votre FreeBSD Port: tclhttpd-3.5.1_2 = document : = = n'a pas =E9t=E9 mi@aldan.algebra.com = distribu=E9 =E0 = : = = Motif : Router: Failed to connect to SMTP host ALDAN.ALGEBRA.COM = because : The server is not responding. The server may be= down or you may be experiencing network problems. Contact= your system administrator if this problem persists. = = Thank you in advance for your help Yves= From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:21:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D6C16A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:21:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C217813C448 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:21:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 550F38C116; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:21:40 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:21:40 -0600 To: Tuomo Valkonen Message-ID: <20071213152140.GA29428@soaustin.net> References: <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> <20071213090059.d5d6b6e7.wmoran@potentialtech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:21:41 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 02:43:07PM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > And at least where I come from, contracts are legally enforceable, > even if they're only oral ones You clearly don't come from the US, where oral contracts are not germane in business law. What's written down in the license is the only thing that would be germane in court. Again, I'm not a lawyer, but this was my clear understanding from the courses I took. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:30:49 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB8716A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (aldan.algebra.com [216.254.65.224]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B62A13C457 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:30:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from aldan.algebra.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDFUj8M051216 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:30:45 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by aldan.algebra.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id lBDFUitI051215; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:30:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from mi+kde@aldan.algebra.com) From: Mikhail Teterin To: Philip Paeps , Bill Moran Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:30:44 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> <200712130923.24488@aldan> <20071213143306.GA27297@soaustin.net> In-Reply-To: <20071213143306.GA27297@soaustin.net> X-Face: %UW#n0|w>ydeGt/b@1-.UFP=K^~-:0f#O:D7whJ5G_<5143Bb3kOIs9XpX+"V+~$adGP:J|SLieM31VIhqXeLBli" Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: Ion3 removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:30:50 -0000 On =DE=C5=D4=D7=C5=D2 13 =C7=D2=D5=C4=C5=CE=D8 2007, Mark Linimon wrote: =3D Wrong. =9AYou do cvs add, cvs com. That would lose the prior history of the port, AFAIK. =3D At least in the US, a court of law won't accept "we'll be deleting the =3D infringing software Pretty Soon." =9AOnce notified of the infringement,= you =3D are obliged to take immediate action. =46ORBIDDEN prevents the port from being built just as immediately. You can= then=20 proceed to remove the already built packages from the ftp-site, which was=20 done anyway. It is perfectly clear from the thread(s) -- and most participants don't eve= n=20 deny it -- that the personal feelings towards Tuomo have hastened the port'= s=20 demise. Despite the ongoing port-freeze... I share some of the feeling, but we add/remove ports to improve the experie= nce=20 of users (including ourselves), not of the authors. =3D Keeping us legal is an explicit part of the portmgr charter. The surest thing to do so is to remove the entire ports collection -- it is= =20 all a major liability: http://technocrat.net/d/2006/6/30/5032 Tuomo's demands aren't unheard of either -- Sun's requirement, that Java=20 binaries be "certified" isn't that different... And, unlike Tuomo, they=20 already have brought a major lawsuit against a license-violator. But we=20 continue to have JDK-ports (we just don't distribute the resulting=20 binaries)... Bill Moran wrote: =3D > should've been addressed by using FORBIDDEN/IGNORE instead. =3D Perhaps you're right. However, I'd like to hear the opinion of a lawyer =3D as to whether this is acceptable or not. The (mathematical) expectactions of the payments to lawyers equal the amoun= t=20 multiplied by the probability of having to pay. You are suggesting a paymen= t=20 of $200-$300 (for consultation) with the probability of 1 against the=20 $10K-20K multiplied by, uhm, something so close to zero, that it may not fi= t=20 in this message. If anybody ever does file a suit against FreeBSD, it will= =20 not be Tuomo. The thread has riched the sad point of tiring the readers regardless of=20 contents long ago, and the port-maintainer has finally chimed in saying, he= =20 is going to resurrect the port portmgr-permitting. The portmgr implied=20 permission already, so let's get back to coding. Tuomo Valkonen wrote: =3D However, there's still the problem of binary packages ending up in the =3D release snapshots without prominent notices of obsoleteness. So, like Java and others, let's mark this port (upon ressurection) RESTRICT= ED=20 and NO_CDROM so that binaries aren't distributed and the user always has to= =20 build from source -- but with the port's aid. The Xinerama can be among the= =20 OPTIONS (default off) thus respecting the requirement, that modifications b= e=20 only on user's request. -mi From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:36:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C599816A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4596D13C447 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from r.c.ladan@gmail.com) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k17so1192039waf.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:36:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=rOf8X/Ug02xBVlvjTIUYqjkah9AZ8K6HelNEMdyI26Y=; b=JSaUT1qLvJO/k4/HmYImvLyKO32r38bLIWKeXzY22/quz3y8tdne22ncgejjD7qvpWd8SLwE7ttKHybP92uR6ahtTRqM8hYdNQJg3R7WXtf/WY09h7sYjF755I4RrotuuAnfEoJBZl12LxkmmZFtwX+JQTjQB9+FuHQ78p1Y6as= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=v5pVSEBRzcVciTqphvqBSZRjsLpXyRcOAt3p1XKM4YcV2adCiE8SmbhD+GPp6bHksAlpsfZZso2dCM7OHfvvokjnCedMJQ477sPadR0aV4WuRqSj3/Flt+krggwNrN+jeXbxO0XSxkr2gD+hPCvc4l8HGauMaAcur8sJzE06UIE= Received: by 10.114.80.4 with SMTP id d4mr2400775wab.44.1197560191927; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:36:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.110.16 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:36:31 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:36:31 +0100 From: "Rene Ladan" To: "Bernard Nowakowski" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make index doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:36:33 -0000 2007/12/13, Bernard Nowakowski : > Hi, > > I've been trying to find a solution to my problem via Google or > freebsd-ports' group archive but maybe you can help. > > The problem is: I run cvsup, go into /usr/ports and type make index. After > some minutes I get the following error message: > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional > (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > ===> graphics/graphviz failed > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > > I run cvsup every day for over half a year. I encountered the above > problem a few days ago. > [..setup..] This should have been fixed by now. If you still have problems, read the thread "serious error possibly related to bsd.*.mk" on this list. HTH, Rene -- GPG fingerprint = E738 5471 D185 7013 0EE0 4FC8 3C1D 6F83 12E1 84F6 (subkeys.pgp.net) "It won't fit on the line." -- me, 2001 From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:39:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7685916A41B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B65813C459 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:39:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2q9Q-0002K1-Bw for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:39:04 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:39:04 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:39:04 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> <200712130923.24488@aldan> <20071213143306.GA27297@soaustin.net> <200712131030.44931@aldan> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:39:26 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Mikhail Teterin wrote: > The Xinerama can be among the > OPTIONS (default off) thus respecting the requirement, that modifications be > only on user's request. It's ok that it's an ion-specific option that is clearly documented to add an unsupported feature. However, as I have stated, it would be cleaner and maybe even more discoverable for the module to be a separate package. (There are other extra modules as well: mod_xrandr and mod_ionflux.) -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:42:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4619D16A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:42:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stevenkreuzer@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp104.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp104.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.102.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B55AA13C458 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:42:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stevenkreuzer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 16613 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 15:42:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Cc:Message-Id:From:To:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:References:X-Mailer; b=PBWcnl/ofu8sLpNPrMV5DWt8kUgIxHkawJOQQ8SOK9RquvYxcuWdP6gNzganCOVvoEyTBHabp3EirYpgTBOmrTS+S7i3AkhDaOYZ28LTAuxkRkQ3+z5XpAgf0sVPZ6LB2ch1keMkojMoIim48HbxvnWAw4a6auSD1FIrP1RvmqE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO malpractice.parkave.corp.yahoo.com) (stevenkreuzer@208.71.40.10 with plain) by smtp104.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 15:42:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: XgYvldEVM1m6Jy_N5Fh76PRK7akNUPCZhcQQOZCf2Abi7_hPXImfvdn6qrJ.xl7CDs.EMSxatkkZflwIYoV6K2Ti Message-Id: <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> From: Steven Kreuzer To: Ade Lovett In-Reply-To: <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:42:43 -0500 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:42:46 -0000 This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" but I figured I would start a new thread. On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: > > > We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of > the current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even > still works. > > If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have > plenty of. Code talks. Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented anywhere? I have been using ports on my home machine for a long time and I've never had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when you work with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations people have run into when using ports. -- Steven Kreuzer http://www.exit2shell.com/~skreuzer From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:54:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19E6816A421 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:54:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux-list@uol.com.br) Received: from goat.gigo.com (goat.gigo.com [216.218.228.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D996513C442 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:54:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux-list@uol.com.br) Received: from 201.41.79.140 (201-41-79-140.bsace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [201.41.79.140]) by goat.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E800B9DC for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:54:24 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 52003 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 13:29:15 -0200 Received: from unknown (HELO nexxus.fedaykin.here) (127.0.0.1) by exxodus.fedaykin.here with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 13:29:15 -0200 Message-ID: <47610AB1.7000401@uol.com.br> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:34:25 +0000 From: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071118) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070100070806040604050309" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: miro "Loading Miro Guide" forever X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:54:25 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070100070806040604050309 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I've been trying to use multimedia/miro but I am having a problem. I cannot access the Miro Guide. On startup, miro delivers the message "Loading Miro Guide" and it stays there indefinitely. I've left my laptop unattended for a couple of hours but nothing changed. miro seems to be working otherwise. I can search videos, create channels and watch/download videos. I am attaching the script(1) output. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Regards, -- Mario S F Ferreira - DF - Brazil - "I guess this is a signature." feature, n: a documented bug | bug, n: an undocumented feature --------------070100070806040604050309-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 15:57:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED93816A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:57:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stevenkreuzer@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.102.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 76ABB13C455 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stevenkreuzer@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45970 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 15:31:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-Id:From:To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version:Subject:Date:X-Mailer; b=i3iYDZYAsRVlt6ZHvCVIC+lUfe1SoiKNUFI+ZPEP14U6MV595LR+suTrfvRd7eZrH8pHshOMRlt7IAGa9PtZtvzbVLOb8FqZKgSYrGh/HT4Adhh+75cJsw2mXbZ/h8FifmQ3arGhFSXvNQ0o6kL4YFnjjF/pRcHan7ASKqv8QDg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO malpractice.parkave.corp.yahoo.com) (stevenkreuzer@208.71.40.10 with plain) by smtp105.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 15:31:02 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: hLOlRwsVM1lx.CT3Zigo.QEbwwVcgRzEKZJYcoQvg5yTrqlecnA_NUEKs23pSA8Pipxd8SUHNzmqFsgIpvTUODLA Message-Id: <7097B23E-E266-419B-A42A-CC8A3B113A6D@yahoo.com> From: Steven Kreuzer To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v915) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:31:01 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.915) Subject: Renaming a Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:57:46 -0000 Greetings- I am the maintainer of the mysqltoolkit port. Recently, the project underwent a name change and is now maatkit. The application has also undergone some updates so I would like to update the port to the latest version. While I am sure I am not the first person to ever have this problem, its a new one for me so I figured I would ping the list and see what people have to say. Is this the best way to go about this? 1) Have someone mark mysqltoolkit as DEPRECATED 2) Take my port, rename it to maatkit and make the changes necessary to the Makefile, etc 3) Submit the port and have it checked in. However, do I need to provide some sort of migration path for existing users of mysqltoolkit? Is that even possible? If so, how do I go about doing it. Any advice or guidance is greatly appreciated. Thanks -- Steven Kreuzer http://www.exit2shell.com/~skreuzer From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 16:20:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F215316A420 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:20:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.157.102]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848C713C455 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:20:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberthuff@rcn.com) Received: from mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net ([207.172.157.28]) by smtp02.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2007 11:19:58 -0500 Received: from smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net (smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.11]) by mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id JLI44736; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-6-22-188.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com (HELO jerusalem.litteratus.org.litteratus.org) ([209.6.22.188]) by smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2007 11:18:46 -0500 From: Robert Huff MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18273.23460.803313.545671@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:19:48 -0500 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith In-Reply-To: <476137D2.6080501@math.missouri.edu> References: <200712130232.27944.david@vizion2000.net> <2BC5322B-368E-4C2F-AC8A-6088FD381793@FreeBSD.org> <476137D2.6080501@math.missouri.edu> X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.5 (beta28) "fuki" XEmacs Lucid X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mr08.lnh.mail.rcn.net) Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:20:02 -0000 Stephen Montgomery-Smith writes: > I understand that you might have a private definition of ports@ > that it should only discuss the current system. But if this is > all you come to this group for, just press the delete key when it > is not something you are personally interested in. I have no such restriction, I think complaints are on-topic. I wish those trying to build a better mousetrap prompt and complete success. And I congratulate them for putting code on paper. On the other hand ... once the discussion has moved from "Something oughta be done." to "We've started a project." - especially one that will generate enough light (never mind heat) on its own, it's time to take it elsewhere (within the larger FreeBSD environment). Wiki, special mailing list, private mailing list, whatever works. If I'm interested in the project, I gain by having all the bits in one place and not having to filter against the generic "java/OpenOffice/ won't compile/is slow/ate my poodle" traffic. If I'm not interested in the project, well, we can all fill in the details. A monthly or bi-weekly announcement would not be out of line. Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 16:24:34 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579EE16A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:24:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from mail.potentialtech.com (internet.potentialtech.com [66.167.251.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B9F13C458 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:24:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wmoran@potentialtech.com) Received: from vanquish.pitbpa0.priv.collaborativefusion.com (pr40.pitbpa0.pub.collaborativefusion.com [206.210.89.202]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.potentialtech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D7D3EBC3C; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:24:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:24:32 -0500 From: Bill Moran To: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Message-Id: <20071213112432.239eb2a8.wmoran@potentialtech.com> In-Reply-To: <20071213152140.GA29428@soaustin.net> References: <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> <20071213090059.d5d6b6e7.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213152140.GA29428@soaustin.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:24:34 -0000 In response to linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon): > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 02:43:07PM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > > And at least where I come from, contracts are legally enforceable, > > even if they're only oral ones > > You clearly don't come from the US, where oral contracts are not > germane in business law. What's written down in the license is the > only thing that would be germane in court. > > Again, I'm not a lawyer, but this was my clear understanding from > the courses I took. As a side note ... when I owned part of a business we had to got to court with a few clients over gross misunderstandings. As a result, I had a lawyer tell me exactly what you said: That verbal agreements _are_ legally binding, but almost never enforceable. As a result, they're not really germane to business law. At one point, a judge took me aside an told me to start making my clients sign agreements before doing any work, otherwise I was going to end up in serious trouble at some point. It's the reason why, in the US, agreeing to anything over the phone is a bad idea. Ever have a pushy salesman on the phone try to get you to agree to something _right_away_! They reason they do that is it's pretty much impossible to make them liable for misrepresentation or anything like that if you don't have it in writing. They can basically lie through their teeth and promise you the world without delivering, and it's damn near impossible to take legal action against them if it was all verbal. Of course, I am not a lawyer either, so you should consult with one before entering into any important agreement. -- Bill Moran http://www.potentialtech.com From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 16:41:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3573C16A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED7AB13C4EF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:41:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87710654FF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:41:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:41:18 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:41:19 -0000 --On Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:17:16 +0000 Tuomo Valkonen wrote: > On 2007-12-13, Mark Linimon wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:30:06AM +0000, Tuomo Valkonen wrote: >>> The copyright holder reserves the right to refine the definition of >>> significant changes on a per-case basis. >> >> In other words, a moving target -- which implies, to me, that to be >> legally in the clear, that we would first have to vet every possible >> change or modification, including patches. > > Notice the "a priori": it means you're allowed to do that without legal > threat until further notice to the contrary. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Geez, IANAL, nor do I have a dog in this fight, but if *you* can't see that the underlined phrase places the object of the clause in constant and persistent legal jeopardy, then perhaps *you* need to hire a lawyer. Let me see if I can boil this down to simple English. The license is what is is, unless and until I say it's not. Therefore, you can use it, for now, but you need to pay close attention because I might change it at some point in the future and *then* you will be liable. Yeah, I'm going to sign up for that one. While watching this thread, I at first thought the decision to remove your software was a bit arbitrary. You have convinced me otherwise. -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 16:42:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CB616A478 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:42:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (cl-162.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net [IPv6:2001:4830:1200:a1::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D23D13C4CC for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:42:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.1/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBDGgdn4059431; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:42:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id lBDGgdtx059430; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:42:39 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:42:39 -0600 From: Brooks Davis To: Steven Kreuzer Message-ID: <20071213164238.GA59146@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <7097B23E-E266-419B-A42A-CC8A3B113A6D@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7097B23E-E266-419B-A42A-CC8A3B113A6D@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:42:39 -0600 (CST) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Renaming a Port X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:42:40 -0000 --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:31:01AM -0500, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > Greetings- >=20 > I am the maintainer of the mysqltoolkit port. Recently, the project=20 > underwent a name change and is now maatkit. > The application has also undergone some updates so I would like to update= =20 > the port to the latest version. >=20 > While I am sure I am not the first person to ever have this problem, its = a=20 > new one for me so I figured I would ping the > list and see what people have to say. >=20 > Is this the best way to go about this? >=20 > 1) Have someone mark mysqltoolkit as DEPRECATED > 2) Take my port, rename it to maatkit and make the changes necessary to t= he=20 > Makefile, etc > 3) Submit the port and have it checked in. >=20 > However, do I need to provide some sort of migration path for existing=20 > users of mysqltoolkit? Is that even possible? > If so, how do I go about doing it. >=20 > Any advice or guidance is greatly appreciated. The MOVED file exists for this very reason. You will need to submit an update that changes the current port to the new name and adds an entry to MOVED. A repocopy will be performed to copy the history of the port to the new location. Once that's done, the changes will be applied to the new copy, the entry added to MOVED, and the old port removed. -- Brooks --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHYWD+XY6L6fI4GtQRAu6dAKDlixfMPFjJvA7EKp0Y7kQIgosqmwCgqKkl atdmF7S1e9unW4UNf8fh5kY= =LC/Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --TB36FDmn/VVEgNH/-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 16:46:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from sup-afu.wrk.terra.com.br (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7244316A417; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:46:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnag@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <476161DD.6070303@FreeBSD.org> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:46:21 -0200 From: Marcus Alves Grando Organization: FreeBSD.org User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071115) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jekillen References: <2cbc5d8d7f9f7b5f0c8ee35cff89a189@prodigy.net> In-Reply-To: <2cbc5d8d7f9f7b5f0c8ee35cff89a189@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: rebuilding Postfix to ad MySQL support X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:46:23 -0000 jekillen wrote: > Hello; > Can I get some advice: > I have Postfix installed from package at system install. > I am trying to set up Cyrus Imap and Cyradm. These > have specified use of mysql for database types. After > carefully crafting the configuration files for Postfix, I > am informed tha Postfix does not support MySQL tables > as it stands. I have received instruction from Postfix list > about how to add the support: > > $ make -f Makefile.init makefiles \ > 'CCARGS=-DHAS_MYSQL -I/usr/local/include/mysql' \ > 'AUXLIBS=-L/usr/local/lib/mysql -lmysqlclient -lz -lm' > > Wietsed > > I assume this is done in the Postfix port dir (and, impatiently, > I am wondering if this is the correct syntax for csh). > My question is: > should I de-install the existing Postfix package first? > I have laboriously crafted main.cf and the various > database files. I could copy them somewhere else > and re instate them. But why if the existing configuration > files won't be bothered. > Please forgive my novice* user level. I am learning as I go > along. I am a hobbyist at this stage. Perhaps tomorrow, > who knows? > * I am a little beyond 'newby' but not by much. > Thank you in advance > Jeff K Jeff, You need select MYSQL option in "make config" in postfix port. cd /usr/ports/mail/postfix make config <- Select MYSQL option in menu make all deinstall install clean DONE Now you can use postfix with mysql support. Regards > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Marcus Alves Grando marcus(at)sbh.eng.br | Personal mnag(at)FreeBSD.org | FreeBSD.org From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 16:52:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6581516A421 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [217.20.163.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B3D13C45B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:52:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 076F774401E; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:37 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at falcon.cybervisiontech.com Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PMe3n4K8tUr9; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.2.1.87] (gateway.cybervisiontech.com.ua [88.81.251.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF30074401A; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:36 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47616354.8050505@icyb.net.ua> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:36 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk Meyer References: <47611DC7.20008@icyb.net.ua> <476101F5.9040803@icyb.net.ua> <47611DC7.20008@icyb.net.ua> <4761254B.9070304@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: serious error possibly related to bsd.*.mk X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:52:39 -0000 on 13/12/2007 15:56 Dirk Meyer said the following: > Hallo Andriy Gapon, >> Here's diff between old and new options just in case: >> --- /tmp/options Mon May 21 11:12:22 2007 >> +++ /var/db/ports/graphviz/options Thu Dec 13 14:27:03 2007 >> @@ -1,12 +1,18 @@ >> # This file is auto-generated by 'make config'. >> # No user-servicable parts inside! >> -# Options for graphviz-2.12_2 >> -_OPTIONS_READ=graphviz-2.12_2 >> +# Options for graphviz-2.16 >> +_OPTIONS_READ=graphviz-2.16 >> WITH_TK=true >> WITH_XPM=true >> WITH_ICONV=true >> WITH_NLS=true >> WITH_PANGOCAIRO=true >> +WITH_GTK=true >> +WITHOUT_GDK_PIXBUF=true >> +WITH_GNOMEUI=true >> +WITHOUT_DIGCOLA=true >> +WITHOUT_IPSEPCOLA=true >> +WITHOUT_MING=true >> WITH_PERL=true >> WITHOUT_PHP=true >> WITH_PYTHON=true > > That is very strange. > I habe no idea yet why this fails. I noticed that if comment out WITH_GTK in the options file or turn off GTK option via 'make config' (so that it becomes WITHOUT_GTK) then the problem comes back. So there must be something 'magic' about it. Hmm, if I comment out the following lines: .if defined(WITH_GTK) .include "${PORTSDIR}/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk" .endif Then I also get the error: "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mgtk20}=="") "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mlibgnomeui}=="") So it seems that in this case bsd.gnome.mk still gets sucked in but in some improper way. This probably happens when 'IGNORE' should have became active i.e. GTK is off but something depending on it is on. Having though about it - maybe this is because USE_GNOME becomes defined so bsd.gnome.mk get included via bsd.port.mk (via bsd.port.post.mk, in turn). I think there could be two solutions: either not set USE_GNOME unless WITH_GTK is defined or add "or" case for USE_GNOME before inclusion of bsd.gnome.mk. Or even include it unconditionally. -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 16:52:42 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4DF16A41B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:52:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6721A13C46A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:52:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ACBB654FF for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:52:42 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:52:41 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: problem to reach a maintainer X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:52:42 -0000 --On Thursday, December 13, 2007 10:17:43 -0500 yves.guerin@muhc.mcgill.ca=20 wrote: > > > Dear > > I try to send a bug report to: mi@aldan.algebra.com for tclhttpd-3.5.1_2 > but =C3=89I got this error > > Votre FreeBSD Port: tclhttpd-3.5.1_2 > document : > > n'a pas =C3=A9t=C3=A9 mi@aldan.algebra.com > distribu=C3=A9 =C3=A0 > : > > Motif : Router: Failed to connect to SMTP host ALDAN.ALGEBRA.COM > because : The server is not responding. The server may be > down or you may be experiencing network problems. Contact > your system administrator if this problem persists. > > Dig shows a resolvable host and dig -t MX shows a correctly configured MTA. Try again. It's likely exactly what the error message says - network=20 problems or the server was down. --=20 Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 17:13:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B76316A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF03B13C45D for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:13:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so286980pyb.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:13:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=p9U6EWg4XcjNeKi9h1OVO8g+d3qe2Z8ok33p75SWJNc=; b=AdPpQ9E1AKanbQUzLnqjZWbGQKRht8MuKimWlIrPYl9UBi5yAJ39l/udFDDuNOILESYKZbylq7rpRn39G8SS690jyi73V5GjJc8/WYgToksS0eqafZnUHvJdUI8zol+4wrogShCnTz8ruLHCvrEf937BoXqJuD9hatZN+RX/NjE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VGGBm7iC8eETwARQuWrW0ACTH/Is7SfQ+PdI9Yc1MijWXyt0hAokvmj7uGGWEkqTqfmyuydsc1/steCtflpPBa4X9ln4plL38KwzE+GE2/zNyELC76v7Dxp8vASqF0JWAHFqu943Z5RIGoXx9/4Rsmop9cl2/lr6QFf2zps9FPg= Received: by 10.140.251.1 with SMTP id y1mr1233648rvh.292.1197566012018; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:13:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm6265211qbe.2007.12.13.09.13.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:13:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47616838.4000804@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:13:28 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira References: <47610AB1.7000401@uol.com.br> In-Reply-To: <47610AB1.7000401@uol.com.br> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: miro "Loading Miro Guide" forever X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:13:40 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to use multimedia/miro but I am having a problem. > I cannot access the Miro Guide. On startup, miro delivers the > message "Loading Miro Guide" and it stays there indefinitely. I've > left my laptop unattended for a couple of hours but nothing changed. > > miro seems to be working otherwise. I can search videos, create > channels and watch/download videos. > > I am attaching the script(1) output. Let me know if there is > anything I can do to help. Did you build against boost or boost-python? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYWg4zIOMjAek4JIRAuWSAJ91w9kVzOV+uRZ65YtidOdNnnu0rgCdGipw nyn5HOlM8biZfFSrZ6FAFV8= =U5ty -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 17:20:45 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7A516A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:20:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AF813C448 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:20:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2rH7-0004XJ-Rh for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:51:05 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:51:05 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:51:05 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> <20071213090059.d5d6b6e7.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <20071213152140.GA29428@soaustin.net> <20071213112432.239eb2a8.wmoran@potentialtech.com> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:20:45 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Bill Moran wrote: > I had a lawyer tell me exactly what you said: That verbal agreements > _are_ legally binding, but almost never enforceable. That may be because typical verbal agreements are difficult to prove. However, a statement on, say, a public mailing list is more provable. Of course, there's the question whether the message was really written by the person the message claims to be from. This situation could be improved by the person in question having a habit of signing messages (or, say, the software releases themselves) with PGP. Of course, that's not 100% reliable, but neither are ink-on-paper signatures. -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 17:35:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC0B216A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B60113C4E5 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:35:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-ports@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J2rkz-0008Sn-Fx for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:21:57 +0000 Received: from jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi ([130.230.72.144]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:21:57 +0000 Received: from tuomov by jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:21:57 +0000 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org From: Tuomo Valkonen Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:01:24 +0000 (UTC) Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20071212213200.D576216A469@hub.freebsd.org> <200712121701.57460.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071212183542.f9bf5e55.wmoran@potentialtech.com> <200712121930.46708.mi+mill@aldan.algebra.com> <20071213021217.GA3535@soaustin.net> <20071213080139.GA14110@soaustin.net> <20071213090833.GA15789@soaustin.net> X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jolt.modeemi.cs.tut.fi User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian) Sender: news Subject: Re: Ion3 removal (Re: Ion3 license violation) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:35:53 -0000 On 2007-12-13, Paul Schmehl wrote: > The license is what is is, unless and until I say it's not. Therefore, you > can use it, for now, but you need to pay close attention because I might > change it at some point in the future and *then* you will be liable. Well, I suppose that part is a bit messy, and it might be better to leave that part more vague: up to what is (court considers) "significant" based on the other explanations. (That "a priori" stuff is not in the terms themselves, but in the explanations section. The terms only refer to "significant" changes. IANAL, but I think such explanations are less binding than the actual terms: they act to help interpret the terms.) -- Tuomo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 18:26:37 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8920016A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from ella.lautre.net (ella.lautre.net [80.67.160.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F21313C4CC for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:26:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from graf.pompo.net (graf.pompo.net [81.56.186.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.lautre.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471174C2E0; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:26:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by graf.pompo.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 94AC411422; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:26:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:26:27 +0100 From: Thierry Thomas To: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira Message-ID: <20071213182627.GI66431@graf.pompo.net> Mail-Followup-To: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <47610AB1.7000401@uol.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m51xatjYGsM+13rf" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47610AB1.7000401@uol.com.br> X-Face: (hRbQnK~Pt7$ct`!fupO(`y_WL4^-Iwn4@ly-.,[4xC4xc; y=\ipKMNm<1J>lv@PP~7Z<.t KjAnXLs: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-BETA2 i386 Organization: Kabbale Eros X-PGP: 0xC71405A2 Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: miro "Loading Miro Guide" forever X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:26:37 -0000 --m51xatjYGsM+13rf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le Jeu 13 d=E9c 07 =E0 11:34:25 +0100, Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira =E9crivait=A0: > Hi, Hello, > I've been trying to use multimedia/miro but I am having a problem. I=20 > cannot access the Miro Guide. On startup, miro delivers the message=20 > "Loading Miro Guide" and it stays there indefinitely. I've left my=20 > laptop unattended for a couple of hours but nothing changed. >=20 > miro seems to be working otherwise. I can search videos, create=20 > channels and watch/download videos. >=20 > I am attaching the script(1) output. Let me know if there is anything= =20 > I can do to help. Your script shows that you built it against xulrunner, which is not enabled, and I have not tested this combination; could you please build it again, defining either WITH_GECKO=3Dfirefox or WITH_GECKO=3Dseamonkey? Best regards, --=20 Th. Thomas. --m51xatjYGsM+13rf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHYXlTc95pjMcUBaIRArKsAKCb61ya42+gYs5MY8RaW9Th2c+NrACcCaMu dw7mbV4PcSPoWSiePlNO4Yg= =OeGJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --m51xatjYGsM+13rf-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 18:34:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF4B16A46B for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:34:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stsp@stsp.name) Received: from einhorn.in-berlin.de (einhorn.in-berlin.de [192.109.42.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3154513C459 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:34:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stsp@stsp.name) X-Envelope-From: stsp@stsp.name X-Envelope-To: Received: from stsp.lan (stsp.in-vpn.de [217.197.85.96]) (authenticated bits=128) by einhorn.in-berlin.de (8.13.6/8.13.6/Debian-1) with ESMTP id lBDIXwTN021716 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:33:59 +0100 Received: from ted.stsp.lan (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by stsp.lan (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBDIXwQw007721 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:33:58 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stsp@ted.stsp.lan) Received: (from stsp@localhost) by ted.stsp.lan (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lBDIXvFu007720 for ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:33:57 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from stsp) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:33:57 +0100 From: Stefan Sperling To: ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071213183357.GA6863@ted.stsp.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang_at_IN-Berlin_e.V. on 192.109.42.8 Cc: Subject: what's the difference between devel/cvsps and devel/cvsps-devel? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:34:01 -0000 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, not much it seems... except that the cvsps-devel port has not been updated since 2005. It looks like the cvsps-devel port is redundant. Should I file a PR? Here's a diff between the two: diff -urN cvsps/CVS/Entries cvsps-devel/CVS/Entries --- cvsps/CVS/Entries Fri Oct 12 13:39:25 2007 +++ cvsps-devel/CVS/Entries Fri Oct 12 13:39:25 2007 @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ -/Makefile/1.9/Tue Mar 27 22:11:53 2007// -/distinfo/1.6/Sat Aug 12 03:57:38 2006// +/Makefile/1.11/Sun Jul 31 04:28:50 2005// +/distinfo/1.7/Thu Nov 24 15:39:10 2005// /pkg-descr/1.1/Sat Feb 9 09:38:49 2002// D/files//// diff -urN cvsps/CVS/Repository cvsps-devel/CVS/Repository --- cvsps/CVS/Repository Fri Oct 12 13:39:25 2007 +++ cvsps-devel/CVS/Repository Fri Oct 12 13:39:25 2007 @@ -1 +1 @@ -ports/devel/cvsps +ports/devel/cvsps-devel diff -urN cvsps/Makefile cvsps-devel/Makefile --- cvsps/Makefile Wed Mar 28 00:11:53 2007 +++ cvsps-devel/Makefile Sun Jul 31 06:28:50 2005 @@ -3,35 +3,27 @@ # Date Created: Feb 9, 2002 # Whom: ijliao # -# $FreeBSD: ports/devel/cvsps/Makefile,v 1.9 2007/03/27 22:11:53 stas Exp $ +# $FreeBSD: ports/devel/cvsps-devel/Makefile,v 1.11 2005/07/31 04:28:50 no= rk Exp $ # =20 PORTNAME=3D cvsps -PORTVERSION=3D 2.1 -PORTREVISION=3D 0 +DISTVERSION=3D 2.1 CATEGORIES=3D devel MASTER_SITES=3D http://www.cobite.com/cvsps/ +PKGNAMESUFFIX?=3D -devel =20 -MAINTAINER=3D stas@FreeBSD.org -COMMENT=3D Create patchset information from CVS +MAINTAINER=3D ports@FreeBSD.org +COMMENT=3D CVS patchsets + +CONFLICTS=3D cvsps-1.* =20 USE_GMAKE=3D yes -ALL_TARGET=3D cvsps =20 MAN1=3D cvsps.1 PLIST_FILES=3D bin/cvsps =20 -.if !defined(NOPORTDOCS) -PORTDOCS=3D README -.endif - do-install: ${INSTALL_PROGRAM} ${WRKSRC}/cvsps ${PREFIX}/bin ${INSTALL_MAN} ${WRKSRC}/cvsps.1 ${MANPREFIX}/man/man1 - -.if !defined(NOPORTDOCS) - ${MKDIR} ${DOCSDIR} - ${INSTALL_DATA} ${WRKSRC}/README ${DOCSDIR} -.endif =20 .include diff -urN cvsps/files/CVS/Entries cvsps-devel/files/CVS/Entries --- cvsps/files/CVS/Entries Fri Oct 12 13:39:25 2007 +++ cvsps-devel/files/CVS/Entries Fri Oct 12 13:39:25 2007 @@ -1,2 +1,2 @@ -/patch-cvsps.c/1.1/Sat Aug 12 03:57:38 2006// +/patch-cvsps.c/1.1/Sun Jul 31 04:28:51 2005// D diff -urN cvsps/files/CVS/Repository cvsps-devel/files/CVS/Repository --- cvsps/files/CVS/Repository Fri Oct 12 13:39:25 2007 +++ cvsps-devel/files/CVS/Repository Fri Oct 12 13:39:25 2007 @@ -1 +1 @@ -ports/devel/cvsps/files +ports/devel/cvsps-devel/files diff -urN cvsps/files/patch-cvsps.c cvsps-devel/files/patch-cvsps.c --- cvsps/files/patch-cvsps.c Sat Aug 12 05:57:38 2006 +++ cvsps-devel/files/patch-cvsps.c Sun Jul 31 06:28:51 2005 @@ -1,12 +1,13 @@ ---- cvsps.c.orig Wed Aug 9 21:59:54 2006 -+++ cvsps.c Wed Aug 9 22:00:17 2006 -@@ -2551,8 +2551,8 @@ +--- cvsps.c.orig Sun Jul 31 13:23:28 2005 ++++ cvsps.c Sun Jul 31 13:23:36 2005 +@@ -2550,9 +2550,9 @@ +=20 for (next =3D ps->members.next; next !=3D &ps->members; next =3D next= ->next)=20 { ++ int d1, d2; PatchSetMember * psm =3D list_entry(next, PatchSetMember, link); -- rev =3D psm->pre_rev; - int d1, d2; -+ rev =3D psm->pre_rev; + rev =3D psm->pre_rev; +- int d1, d2; =20 /* the reason this is at all complicated has to do with a=20 * branch off of a branch. it is possible (and indeed=20 --=20 stefan http://stsp.name PGP Key: 0xF59D25F0 --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHYXsV5dMCc/WdJfARAmL5AKDTySIL0xhKfhv4cyGfzl6CKT0GgwCeNP7o zRGOh2WuneQDdXKD5Myyaiw= =b6FZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nFreZHaLTZJo0R7j-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 18:47:26 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D563F16A418 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:47:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A38F13C459 for ; 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( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm299178qbc.2007.12.13.10.47.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:47:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47617E37.1040702@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:47:19 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ade Lovett References: <200712130232.27944.david@vizion2000.net> <2BC5322B-368E-4C2F-AC8A-6088FD381793@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <2BC5322B-368E-4C2F-AC8A-6088FD381793@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:47:26 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ade Lovett wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 02:32 , David Southwell wrote: >> I suspect antagonistic responsesfrom some people are more about >> wounded pride (i.e - astonishment why should anyone propose to >> improve on the procedures, systems and engineering to which they >> contributed in the past!) > > You suspect wrong. Sorry. Indeed, I already said as much about > the current system, and it's scalability. > >> Sp please either make contributions that are intended to help the >> current process rather than boring everyone with negativity > > Since this is a WIP, how about taking it to a specific mailing list > that is not related to how things currently operate. I read > ports@ for one reason, and one reason only, to keep abreast of > potential issues with the *current* system. > > It's not hard to set up a mailing list. Hell, I'll even host it > myself if that's what it takes, but as things stand, ports@ (or, > indeed, any other exising mailing list) is not the right place to > be discussing concepts that are, fluid. > As soon we get to the point where user input is less important (design, implementation and testing) it will move to it's own virtual discussion space, but as long as user input is a critical component of the work it will stay on -ports@.... as several people have said this is the most appropriate place in the existing structure to do this. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYX43zIOMjAek4JIRAteMAJ9Lg2Adh9HIHj6LCeamz7y1amNZ7QCghVO0 2t00d2ZmcL743jGj8/ybjvg= =4/wj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 18:48:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAF4E16A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux-list@uol.com.br) Received: from goat.gigo.com (goat.gigo.com [216.218.228.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819FE13C467 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux-list@uol.com.br) Received: from 201.41.79.140 (201-41-79-140.bsace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [201.41.79.140]) by goat.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA148B915 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:48:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 35603 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 16:47:18 -0200 Received: from unknown (HELO nexxus.fedaykin.here) (127.0.0.1) by exxodus.fedaykin.here with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 16:47:18 -0200 Message-ID: <47617E35.1050105@uol.com.br> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:47:17 +0000 From: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071118) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <47610AB1.7000401@uol.com.br> <47616838.4000804@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <47616838.4000804@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: miro "Loading Miro Guide" forever X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:48:14 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've been trying to use multimedia/miro but I am having a problem. >> I cannot access the Miro Guide. On startup, miro delivers the >> message "Loading Miro Guide" and it stays there indefinitely. I've >> left my laptop unattended for a couple of hours but nothing changed. >> >> miro seems to be working otherwise. I can search videos, create >> channels and watch/download videos. >> >> I am attaching the script(1) output. Let me know if there is >> anything I can do to help. > Did you build against boost or boost-python? Against devel/boost WITH_PYTHON: # cd /usr/ports/devel/boost # make WITH_PYTHON=1 all deinstall install clean From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 18:50:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEFA16A478 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6599B13C46A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so361870pyb.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=LKaCs8nfPGZzqlDNXgJnTprVImGAPqPLCbIgGW/x7nk=; b=g7TynO/6Jh47O6ux+jxfwNokmhfzcXW/CFM6y0DtC49r0u64UKul6UIylme9yowhwCC6UbfM3p5OuCKXLBID2gUt88vYk2cijp9YiZgvV0KZbC4UfQOdwKMjLt3oeAemHtth0bSQXGozrle/vg4zb7bBx62Nh68PJEMAlRW8LYE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=o8Tyv0Qw58rmZvPnTI44Ny7yjXOgfdOqLRgFA56Fc3/d1g3hsfZyVq5GTSsxSOeJ8FnqOp+ltp2A8xaToTYjKUTcC6ypAMK7sXLBfmSuBhLDmm8M9w0yeOAjfl8z/IIvjtoQJm+biee0BDB05kZkGHGL9EpFnXHTBiTPia13ENM= Received: by 10.65.155.19 with SMTP id h19mr5020383qbo.28.1197571848594; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm426049qba.2007.12.13.10.50.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 10:50:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47617F06.7010908@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:50:46 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Huff References: <200712130232.27944.david@vizion2000.net> <2BC5322B-368E-4C2F-AC8A-6088FD381793@FreeBSD.org> <476137D2.6080501@math.missouri.edu> <18273.23460.803313.545671@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: <18273.23460.803313.545671@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith , David Southwell , Ade Lovett , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:50:51 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robert Huff wrote: > Stephen Montgomery-Smith writes: > >> I understand that you might have a private definition of ports@ >> that it should only discuss the current system. But if this is >> all you come to this group for, just press the delete key when it >> is not something you are personally interested in. > > I have no such restriction, I think complaints are on-topic. I > wish those trying to build a better mousetrap prompt and complete > success. And I congratulate them for putting code on paper. On the > other hand ... once the discussion has moved from "Something oughta > be done." to "We've started a project." - especially one that will > generate enough light (never mind heat) on its own, it's time to > take it elsewhere (within the larger FreeBSD environment). Wiki, > special mailing list, private mailing list, whatever works. If I'm > interested in the project, I gain by having all the bits in one > place and not having to filter against the generic > "java/OpenOffice/ won't compile/is slow/ate my > poodle" traffic. If I'm not interested in the project, well, we can > all fill in the details. A monthly or bi-weekly announcement would > not be out of line. > > 1. See my reply to Ade 2. We are not at "We have started a project" stage yet... that will not occur until there is a reasonable grasp on the scope and top level requirements 3. As soon as 2 is satisfied I will happily move to a private space -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYX8GzIOMjAek4JIRAjKhAJ9PSgUAfELej7M/1xIGcfX+FDD9wgCfQPvL pHLDmDKJkbH4w3i9pttggho= =rGMy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 18:52:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66B4F16A418; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DBC13C448; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDIHY6o006220; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) with ESMTP id lBDIHY0E006217; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:17:34 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:17:34 -0700 (MST) From: Warren Block To: Steven Kreuzer In-Reply-To: <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:17:34 -0700 (MST) Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:52:02 -0000 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" but I figured > I would start a new thread. Rightly so. > On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >> >> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of the >> current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even still works. >> >> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty of. >> Code talks. > > Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented anywhere? I have > been using ports on my home machine for a long time and I've never > had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when you work > with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. > > I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations people have > run into when using ports. Notable with the new modular Xorg is the speed of changes (install/deinstall/clean) when there are a lot of ports installed. Before modular xorg, 400 ports installed was a lot. 700 now is not surprising. Some profiling looking for areas which could benefit from speed optimization would be useful. That may have already been done but not publicized. -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 19:21:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7AE16A421 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:21:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA70413C4D1 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:21:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so385344pyb.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mJ4ed3con3B+0L1ttch1cBW+2SRtUb+c/yutgD/juwc=; b=VXXSHvEg2/3ZpWOH7bEBaOA7MRyfohqOd1N41adT6sBHGC9SzzZkQRoafOWyd2+j0+LX4nFIRioEOspXXxQbPAbBDbAt5TDnnKyBhnLSnwTXlcZncwIHdGntDdeHxxvQeKgVQuaSPdz1uQdq9KnOMiGmiqSO/xGgGNsOressuYk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JvwraZ5fg7V59zR94UXoZ+NWzibpM2/gEQaMqu7vau4eaHXC78VphieqSOCSNnmlkO6uCyyHzJxToaWSZ+jET9trkpvfompZAAx+AJbEDqKHDbom6mN6EBg/PmbjHco09HO2CIRssVmxbQLB+p0DRVH5AhZWShDTca9HGykb4jQ= Received: by 10.65.95.12 with SMTP id x12mr5058794qbl.54.1197573678745; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e14sm341969qba.2007.12.13.11.21.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:21:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4761862C.8070105@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:21:16 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Kreuzer References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:21:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steven Kreuzer wrote: > This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" but > I figured I would start a new thread. > > On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >> >> >> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of >> the current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even >> still works. >> >> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have >> plenty of. Code talks. > > Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented > anywhere? I have been using ports on my home machine for a long > time and I've never had any problems with it. I assume the issues > come into play when you work with multiple systems you are trying > to keep in sync, etc. Many of them are not documented... I use it at home and have run into a number of issues (I don't want to restart the flame war that was the previous thread please do a search of the lists for them)... they will be better documented ASAP since enumerating them is part of the re-engineering process I will be conducting (perhaps the last "public" one) survey specifically focused on features people want and ones that must not be eliminated. Most of them boil down to the ports system was not designed to handle the load it has and incorrectly assumed the following: 1. All maintainers while be extremely careful in how the specify dependency requirements 2. That even though there would be metaports there would none of the current "mega" metaports 3. Too much trust is placed by the system on the correctness of individual ports -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYYYszIOMjAek4JIRAiA3AJ4s7rHqFRVOMifUj0heeZ/ZzsylJgCdGO93 M0411X/H/NKNto2vi3jY4R4= =+FTw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 19:51:44 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB19616A417; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout3.cac.washington.edu (mxout3.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.166]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A44B213C461; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:51:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.33.7] (may be forged)) by mxout3.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBDJph6A003388 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:51:44 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.1.113] (c-76-22-52-184.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.22.52.184]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBDJpdMW020515 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:51:40 -0800 In-Reply-To: <47617E37.1040702@gmail.com> References: <200712130232.27944.david@vizion2000.net> <2BC5322B-368E-4C2F-AC8A-6088FD381793@FreeBSD.org> <47617E37.1040702@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <65A0A159-358E-4C0C-816F-BE97DB7C56E8@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:51:38 -0800 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.13.113510 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__C230066_P3_6 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __PHISH_SUBJ_PHRASE5 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:51:44 -0000 On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:47 AM, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ade Lovett wrote: >> >> On Dec 13, 2007, at 02:32 , David Southwell wrote: >>> I suspect antagonistic responsesfrom some people are more about >>> wounded pride (i.e - astonishment why should anyone propose to >>> improve on the procedures, systems and engineering to which they >>> contributed in the past!) >> >> You suspect wrong. Sorry. Indeed, I already said as much about >> the current system, and it's scalability. >> >>> Sp please either make contributions that are intended to help the >>> current process rather than boring everyone with negativity >> >> Since this is a WIP, how about taking it to a specific mailing list >> that is not related to how things currently operate. I read >> ports@ for one reason, and one reason only, to keep abreast of >> potential issues with the *current* system. >> >> It's not hard to set up a mailing list. Hell, I'll even host it >> myself if that's what it takes, but as things stand, ports@ (or, >> indeed, any other exising mailing list) is not the right place to >> be discussing concepts that are, fluid. >> > > As soon we get to the point where user input is less important > (design, implementation and testing) it will move to it's own virtual > discussion space, but as long as user input is a critical component of > the work it will stay on -ports@.... as several people have said this > is the most appropriate place in the existing structure to do this. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHYX43zIOMjAek4JIRAteMAJ9Lg2Adh9HIHj6LCeamz7y1amNZ7QCghVO0 > 2t00d2ZmcL743jGj8/ybjvg= > =4/wj > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- I'm more than happy to take the comments in kind and implement them in my work with pkg_install. I honestly see no problem with commenting / brainstorming as long as it's productive. I'm done with finals and have no major obligations to deal with outside my '9 to 5' (more like 4:30 to 11:30) with BestBuy, so the true coding starts now.. Cheers, -Garrett From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 19:56:57 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4340116A417; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:56:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout7.cac.washington.edu (mxout7.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9D713C458; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:56:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.141] (may be forged)) by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBDJuuJ1000615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:56:56 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from [192.168.1.113] (c-76-22-52-184.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.22.52.184]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBDJurAd030455 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:56:54 -0800 In-Reply-To: <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) X-Gpgmail-State: !signed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <291C2604-2EDD-412E-9108-2ADD7D4D9F68@u.washington.edu> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Garrett Cooper Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:56:52 -0800 To: Warren Block X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.13.113833 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __HAS_X_MAILER 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0' Cc: Ade Lovett , Steven Kreuzer , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:56:57 -0000 On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > >> This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" >> but I figured I would start a new thread. > > Rightly so. > >> On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >>> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of >>> the current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even >>> still works. >>> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have >>> plenty of. Code talks. >> >> Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented >> anywhere? I have been using ports on my home machine for a long >> time and I've never >> had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when >> you work with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. >> >> I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations >> people have run into when using ports. > > Notable with the new modular Xorg is the speed of changes (install/ > deinstall/clean) when there are a lot of ports installed. Before > modular xorg, 400 ports installed was a lot. 700 now is not > surprising. > > Some profiling looking for areas which could benefit from speed > optimization would be useful. That may have already been done but > not publicized. > > -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA My hunch is that part of the problem lies in the fact (unfortunately) that everything's done via Makefiles and that there's a lot of redundancy to some extent with the operations performed by pkg_install and friends (at least from reading and writing the /var/ db/pkg* and /usr/ports/INDEX* files are concerned), in particular when dealing with non-slave / -master instances, and how make is invoking pkg_install(1). I don't have hard evidence to support that point though, and until that point is reached my comment is merely speculation. -Garrett From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 20:01:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A1316A420 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:01:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23D413C43E for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so416473pyb.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:00:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qQh1o0D88nJtGSxNtgqAGS/3bFKPmSXsytPTb13a404=; b=Pb4MorCgyLzaF4npeNWshEg4ZfV2Krh1SgFpyoxSO/6GP9NcXZl8n54qkLsDwoukzikrVrbriHmIYKDcVdvIUGWDxwmizJhFWcZfiLdhP0XFZghneZQHIf9XFCb0qV854wbozUg0V8ZrCCbY4f5LfUF++PVvHmfzXXLjBqAwS3c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tfsApWzADOhXY00f8bPmRwI2KwOcfWZmAlgmnbNVlF800Xx7vdzhUfFvZPLPi0qNh6emmreP5TDuQf9YTmx2jx56NrUG+ZFIeeb5xUyGdROS/zvxUvfe1sj4frXWm/IOEyUtELiwD8JSaUmY4wJk9nDd2inyk0HDpn4B8SAZgtA= Received: by 10.65.100.14 with SMTP id c14mr5106935qbm.88.1197576056865; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e11sm364180qbc.2007.12.13.12.00.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:00:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47618F76.4080001@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:00:54 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Cooper References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <291C2604-2EDD-412E-9108-2ADD7D4D9F68@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <291C2604-2EDD-412E-9108-2ADD7D4D9F68@u.washington.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Warren Block , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Steven Kreuzer , Ade Lovett Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:01:00 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Garrett Cooper wrote: > > On Dec 13, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Warren Block wrote: > >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Steven Kreuzer wrote: >> >>> This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" >>> but I figured I would start a new thread. >> >> Rightly so. >> >>> On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >>>> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling >>>> limits of the current system, and most of us are completely >>>> amazed it even still works. If y'all want to make a >>>> difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty of. Code talks. >>>> >>> >>> Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented >>> anywhere? I have been using ports on my home machine for a long >>> time and I've never had any problems with it. I assume the >>> issues come into play when you work with multiple systems you >>> are trying to keep in sync, etc. >>> >>> I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations >>> people have run into when using ports. >> >> Notable with the new modular Xorg is the speed of changes >> (install/deinstall/clean) when there are a lot of ports >> installed. Before modular xorg, 400 ports installed was a lot. >> 700 now is not surprising. >> >> Some profiling looking for areas which could benefit from speed >> optimization would be useful. That may have already been done >> but not publicized. >> >> -Warren Block * Rapid City, South Dakota USA > > > My hunch is that part of the problem lies in the fact > (unfortunately) that everything's done via Makefiles and that > there's a lot of redundancy to some extent with the operations > performed by pkg_install and friends (at least from reading and > writing the /var/db/pkg* and /usr/ports/INDEX* files are > concerned), in particular when dealing with non-slave / -master > instances, and how make is invoking pkg_install(1). I don't have > hard evidence to support that point though, and until that point is > reached my comment is merely speculation. That is why I plan to use xorg as the test case for the new system.... namely if it builds xorg in the most efficent way possible then it will be considered good enough for release -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYY92zIOMjAek4JIRAjBoAJ4hi8xhHmreBMKHu7FMnDI+HkYDMACfQfxS wVcLDfmxx33RniSkKLsysYo= =ZLLP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 20:50:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBFC16A41A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F03313C459 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:50:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:62050 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J2v0w-0005Fj-6b for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:50:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 30520 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 21:50:35 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2007 21:50:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 72561 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Dec 2007 21:50:35 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:50:35 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Warren Block Message-ID: <20071213205035.GA72545@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Warren Block , Steven Kreuzer , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1J2v0w-0005Fj-6b. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1J2v0w-0005Fj-6b c079645f2240145084a495baac217edb Cc: Ade Lovett , Steven Kreuzer , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:50:39 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:17:34AM -0700, Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > >> This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" but I >> figured I would start a new thread. > > Rightly so. > >> On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >>> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of the >>> current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even still works. >>> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty of. >>> Code talks. >> >> Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented anywhere? I >> have been using ports on my home machine for a long time and I've never >> had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when you work >> with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. >> >> I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations people have >> run into when using ports. > > Notable with the new modular Xorg is the speed of changes > (install/deinstall/clean) when there are a lot of ports installed. Before > modular xorg, 400 ports installed was a lot. 700 now is not surprising. > > Some profiling looking for areas which could benefit from speed > optimization would be useful. That may have already been done but not > publicized. There were some modifications added to the ports tree earlier this year (I think it was) that resulted in some quite significant speedups when installing/deinstalling ports. There were quite a bit of discussions about it at the time at this list (or possibly one of the other freebsd- lists.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 20:59:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDD216A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:59:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2C8213C43E for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:58:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:52770 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J2v8z-0000hd-96 for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:58:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 30559 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 72598 invoked by uid 1001); 13 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Steven Kreuzer Message-ID: <20071213205857.GB72545@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Steven Kreuzer , Ade Lovett , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1J2v8z-0000hd-96. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp02.sth.basefarm.net 1J2v8z-0000hd-96 399fe6f8c4df3e18bc41b76553bd4b2a Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:59:00 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 10:42:43AM -0500, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" but I > figured I would start a new thread. > > On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >> >> >> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of the >> current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even still works. >> >> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty of. >> Code talks. > > Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented anywhere? I have > been using ports on my home machine for a long time and I've never > had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when you work > with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. > > I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations people have > run into when using ports. One shortcoming is the lack of locking making parallell builds a bit unsafe. If you try to build both port A and port B at the same time, and both A and B depends (directly or indirectly) on port C which is not installed, then you can esily end up having two processes both trying to build C at the same time. This usually confuses both builds very badly making them fail. I also don't think there is any locking on /var/db/pkg making possibly somewhat unsafe trying to register the installation of two ports/packages at the same time. I have never noticed any actual problems with this though. Some sort of locking, making parallel builds safe, should be possible to add to the ports system without doing any sweeping changes. (I did look briefly at the makefiles, but did not find any obvious place to put the locking. I probably just did not look hard enough.) -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 20:59:43 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BABC516A41B; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA6E13C448; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:59:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDKxRDk014639; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:59:28 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <47619D3D.1070804@math.missouri.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:59:41 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071203 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steven Kreuzer References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:59:43 -0000 Steven Kreuzer wrote: > This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" but I > figured I would start a new thread. > > On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >> >> >> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of the >> current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even still works. >> >> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty >> of. Code talks. > > Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented anywhere? I > have been using ports on my home machine for a long time and I've never > had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when you > work with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. > > I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations people > have run into when using ports. My personal frustration is the great length of time it takes to do "make index" and pkg_version (which calls "make -V PKGNAME"). The problem is that make has to read the entire makefile, including all the includes, before it can decide the value of any variable. I spent quite a while looking for speed improvements in this particular area, and couldn't find anything. I think that you have to dispense with "make" as the tool that coordinates the building of the ports, and rethink it from scratch. (I more or less came to the conclusion that it would be better to wait ten years until computers are ten times faster, and that in the mean time I could live with this particular problem.) Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 21:21:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55A1916A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:21:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B02A613C458 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from LoN_Kamikaze@gmx.de) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 Dec 2007 21:21:17 -0000 Received: from nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (EHLO homeKamikaze.norad) [129.13.72.169] by mail.gmx.net (mp054) with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 22:21:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #5465401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/VDTUJUHTVkRW2LFdL0gtzHpF/sPsRdJlOkcBni5 MRQr1CjZDYgoKT Message-ID: <4761A24C.4080308@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:21:16 +0100 From: Dominic Fandrey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071203) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, riggs@rrr.de X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: Subject: multimedia/mplayer doesn't build (default options) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:21:20 -0000 cc -O2 -pipe -march=pentium4 -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -I./libavcodec -I./libavformat -Wdisabled-optimization -Wno-pointer-sign -Wdeclaration-after-statement -I. -I. -I./libavutil -O2 -pipe -march=pentium4 -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/SDL -I/usr/local/include -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I../libavcodec -I../libavformat -Wdisabled-optimization -Wno-pointer-sign -Wdeclaration-after-statement -I. -I.. -I../libavutil -O2 -pipe -march=pentium4 -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/SDL -I/usr/local/include -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -c -o ad_libvorbis.o ad_libvorbis.c ad_libvorbis.c: In function 'decode_audio': ad_libvorbis.c:232: warning: passing argument 2 of 'ds_get_packet_pts' from incompatible pointer type ad_libvorbis.c:238: error: too few arguments to function 'vorbis_synthesis' gmake[1]: *** [ad_libvorbis.o] Error 1 gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/obj/homeKamikaze.norad/usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer/work/MPlayer-1.0rc2/libmpcodecs' gmake: *** [libmpcodecs/libmpcodecs.a] Error 2 *** Error code 2 Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 21:22:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EDC16A419 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F6C13C4E3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:22:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id 979CB73180; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:06:46 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:06:46 +0000 From: John Birrell To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071213210646.GA52285@what-creek.com> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <291C2604-2EDD-412E-9108-2ADD7D4D9F68@u.washington.edu> <47618F76.4080001@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47618F76.4080001@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:22:21 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:00:54PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > That is why I plan to use xorg as the test case for the new system.... > namely if it builds xorg in the most efficent way possible then it > will be considered good enough for release You need to pick a much more complicated set of dependencies than Xorg. You should analyse the dependency tree across all ports and then take into account what happens when source changes occur unsynchronised. Take things like those that depend on the various Qt ports. You will see that some depend on Qt3 and others on Qt4. Then consider things that depend on the documentation ports. Please do not fall into the trap of simplifying the requirements and then finding a simpler solution. -- John Birrell From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 21:24:01 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D689216A421 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from entwistle.sonicboom.org (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED3213C442 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:24:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by entwistle.sonicboom.org (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBDLO0od089927; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:24:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Message-ID: <4761A2DE.4000502@brianwhalen.net> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:23:42 -0800 From: Brian User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <47619D3D.1070804@math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <47619D3D.1070804@math.missouri.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Ade Lovett , Steven Kreuzer , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:24:01 -0000 I just wonder if you asked the general population, whether they'd rather have ports or packages, I bet most would vote for packages, aside from those that actually like watching the compilation output fly by. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 22:36:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4F716A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:36:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 768EE13C469 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:36:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so537564pyb.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:36:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IXI5XFmkBj9QheGwSMAE0nmokpOXOOTLQgDZKo8Rw9I=; b=n2Drx9TBOxWq7kpS9x+LMPknOckTEgHPaJnSkI0yFM1L+T7hg7CiNuPtVEmb/it9+iXT++1aH7pkOEjIoQjXLgKa3j+ykQWKlENz+kg8s06nnKaBh6WI8Or3Ip3zDLbLOtU9hbhyfWMSPSe+tionrUQfo8+JfQoEezUMphBDyWI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=wbRNeDJtgRtrIfpmtcDdG7Kf7FrPtvRVO+2ydK3poIZi+kacJCwv7a6Mpj3l4N2GHFszRaOBfDvzYOIrG5Ykyyv1QmQQnOxCfRp8563Dm2IQ1pYgmid11jpAemeDhKj47we5c/dl4+PetsAPqzFELMFjLc1Div7lwyv1qxYoxhE= Received: by 10.65.121.9 with SMTP id y9mr5411857qbm.94.1197585369267; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:36:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q16sm618862qbq.2007.12.13.14.36.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:36:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4761B3D7.2080308@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:36:07 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <291C2604-2EDD-412E-9108-2ADD7D4D9F68@u.washington.edu> <47618F76.4080001@gmail.com> <20071213210646.GA52285@what-creek.com> In-Reply-To: <20071213210646.GA52285@what-creek.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:36:11 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Birrell wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 03:00:54PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> That is why I plan to use xorg as the test case for the new system.... >> namely if it builds xorg in the most efficent way possible then it >> will be considered good enough for release > > You need to pick a much more complicated set of dependencies than > Xorg. > > You should analyse the dependency tree across all ports and then > take into account what happens when source changes occur > unsynchronised. > > Take things like those that depend on the various Qt ports. You will > see that some depend on Qt3 and others on Qt4. > > Then consider things that depend on the documentation ports. > > Please do not fall into the trap of simplifying the requirements > and then finding a simpler solution. > I was not planning to skimp on the requirements at all but the test case is xorg... i.e. I will do my best to not compermise on features/requirements but xorg meets several criteria for being a good test (out of order building, alt. depends, large but seperatable DAG) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYbPXzIOMjAek4JIRAtmcAJ4rifRtYkufmyFU9LCxqMhx73kZ6ACfe7Nt Ojc2my7xjUH6xoyn+ysHM1U= =mB1y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 22:42:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F7716A469 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:42:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: from what-creek.com (what-creek.com [66.111.37.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A39C13C45A for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:42:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jb@what-creek.com) Received: by what-creek.com (Postfix, from userid 102) id 3C0FC7318A; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:44:30 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:44:30 +0000 From: John Birrell To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Message-ID: <20071213224430.GA53373@what-creek.com> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <291C2604-2EDD-412E-9108-2ADD7D4D9F68@u.washington.edu> <47618F76.4080001@gmail.com> <20071213210646.GA52285@what-creek.com> <4761B3D7.2080308@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4761B3D7.2080308@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:42:07 -0000 On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 05:36:07PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > I was not planning to skimp on the requirements at all but the test > case is xorg... i.e. I will do my best to not compermise on > features/requirements but xorg meets several criteria for being a good > test (out of order building, alt. depends, large but seperatable DAG) But it all comes from one source and is released as one set. You need to think about things that are released from different places with different dependencies at different times. And then allow for the lag of getting the FreeBSD part updated. -- John Birrell From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 22:47:11 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70B316A417 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9570813C447 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so546102pyb.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:47:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uXLY1iNEjwDXBVZOoqrF7kYVQDQPeqorDiVMTST5NOA=; b=tKszT9rfOZeMQYcc92VDVzx+GyS+Zk4EHB1jMzfbb773zrHFsIGLE1XuCZ+8FtEsyvDHjVQSM3FIJXJRJBMI6YD2XAuC1TJjhhqJrHGPCXyx80V3VwMEDmPSAkeFwAFtpJOM5kSKUNjLxr96Qm4PIbZaOzamiKBwYP29/hrosNA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=SltNTvV16LmCMjxaf03hn46epOytEs9irCdVeYpn/BIICach69C6YgieTx1toidNYiXQXfGX5Cho9Tddelte0kOat8d3DPzEThyViYa3kCpiXipebANY3AC4hDYZPHMFILG1A/9w1sb+ZJ/DsXsifAPOJp3mTGHfLTUuruoj6ZE= Received: by 10.65.250.11 with SMTP id c11mr5475966qbs.52.1197586030333; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:47:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d2sm7409406qbc.2007.12.13.14.47.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:47:09 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4761B66C.8000006@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:47:08 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Birrell References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <291C2604-2EDD-412E-9108-2ADD7D4D9F68@u.washington.edu> <47618F76.4080001@gmail.com> <20071213210646.GA52285@what-creek.com> <4761B3D7.2080308@gmail.com> <20071213224430.GA53373@what-creek.com> In-Reply-To: <20071213224430.GA53373@what-creek.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:47:12 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 John Birrell wrote: > On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 05:36:07PM -0500, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> I was not planning to skimp on the requirements at all but the >> test case is xorg... i.e. I will do my best to not compermise on >> features/requirements but xorg meets several criteria for being a >> good test (out of order building, alt. depends, large but >> seperatable DAG) > > But it all comes from one source and is released as one set. You > need to think about things that are released from different places > with different dependencies at different times. And then allow for > the lag of getting the FreeBSD part updated. Perl, python and other pre-reqs to xorg are not from the same source thus fit the requirement.... I should of been more specific by saying xorg+all pre-req ports. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYbZszIOMjAek4JIRAueZAJ9zDRfMpYYNrXrik1VYFLvEXW86/QCfVqNo smhJVbQZqx269CJnoK2NMAQ= =Hf6H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 13 23:00:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562AF16A420 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux-list@uol.com.br) Received: from goat.gigo.com (goat.gigo.com [216.218.228.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA0113C467 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lioux-list@uol.com.br) Received: from 201.41.79.140 (201-41-79-140.bsace702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br [201.41.79.140]) by goat.gigo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF23DB848 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:00:56 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 61322 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2007 17:16:49 -0200 Received: from unknown (HELO nexxus.fedaykin.here) (127.0.0.1) by exxodus.fedaykin.here with SMTP; 13 Dec 2007 17:16:49 -0200 Message-ID: <47618521.7020100@uol.com.br> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:16:49 +0000 From: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071118) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <47610AB1.7000401@uol.com.br> <20071213182627.GI66431@graf.pompo.net> In-Reply-To: <20071213182627.GI66431@graf.pompo.net> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040402070800090609010504" Cc: thierry@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: miro "Loading Miro Guide" forever X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:00:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040402070800090609010504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thierry Thomas wrote: > Le Jeu 13 d=E9c 07 =E0 11:34:25 +0100, Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira <= lioux-list@uol.com.br> > =E9crivait : >> Hi, >=20 > Hello, >=20 >> I've been trying to use multimedia/miro but I am having a problem. I= =20 >> cannot access the Miro Guide. On startup, miro delivers the message=20 >> "Loading Miro Guide" and it stays there indefinitely. I've left my=20 >> laptop unattended for a couple of hours but nothing changed. >> >> miro seems to be working otherwise. I can search videos, create=20 >> channels and watch/download videos. >> >> I am attaching the script(1) output. Let me know if there is anythin= g=20 >> I can do to help. >=20 > Your script shows that you built it against xulrunner, which is not > enabled, and I have not tested this combination; could you please build= > it again, defining either WITH_GECKO=3Dfirefox or WITH_GECKO=3Dseamonke= y? Okay. Checking ${WRKSRC}/platform/gtk-x11/setup.py shows that=20 xulrunner is always preferred over any other found GECKO options.=20 Actually, the WITH_GECKO is only controlling the port dependency and it=20 has no influence whatsoever on what setup.py will pick. That said. I removed xulrunner from the list of possible setup.py=20 choices. Reinstalled and miro works with firefox. :) I have a patch attached that rectifies this situation. Regards, -- Mario S F Ferreira - DF - Brazil - "I guess this is a signature." feature, n: a documented bug | bug, n: an undocumented feature --------------040402070800090609010504 Content-Type: text/plain; name="patch-devel__miro" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="patch-devel__miro" Index: files/patch-platform_gtk-x11_setup.py =================================================================== RCS file: /home/pcvs/ports/multimedia/miro/files/patch-platform_gtk-x11_setup.py,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -d -u -u -r1.1 patch-platform_gtk-x11_setup.py --- files/patch-platform_gtk-x11_setup.py 11 Dec 2007 22:27:19 -0000 1.1 +++ files/patch-platform_gtk-x11_setup.py 13 Dec 2007 19:14:16 -0000 @@ -1,5 +1,5 @@ ---- platform/gtk-x11/setup.py.orig 2007-10-31 17:05:49.000000000 +0100 -+++ platform/gtk-x11/setup.py 2007-11-01 12:44:27.000000000 +0100 +--- platform/gtk-x11/setup.py.orig 2007-11-12 23:22:34.000000000 -0200 ++++ platform/gtk-x11/setup.py 2007-12-13 17:00:44.000000000 -0200 @@ -46,6 +46,7 @@ ############################################################################### @@ -26,26 +26,29 @@ ) #### MozillaBrowser Extension #### -@@ -219,12 +224,15 @@ - if re.search("^xulrunner-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): - xpcom = 'xulrunner-xpcom' - gtkmozembed = 'xulrunner-gtkmozembed' --elif re.search("^mozilla-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): -- xpcom = 'mozilla-xpcom' -- gtkmozembed = 'mozilla-gtkmozembed' - elif re.search("^firefox-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): - xpcom = 'firefox-xpcom' - gtkmozembed = 'firefox-gtkmozembed' +@@ -216,15 +221,15 @@ + packages = getCommandOutput("pkg-config --list-all") + except RuntimeError, error: + sys.exit("Package config error:\n%s" % (error,)) +-if re.search("^xulrunner-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): +- xpcom = 'xulrunner-xpcom' +- gtkmozembed = 'xulrunner-gtkmozembed' ++if re.search("^firefox-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): ++ xpcom = 'firefox-xpcom' ++ gtkmozembed = 'firefox-gtkmozembed' +elif re.search("^seamonkey-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): + xpcom = 'seamonkey-xpcom' + gtkmozembed = 'seamonkey-gtkmozembed' -+elif re.search("^mozilla-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): -+ xpcom = 'mozilla-xpcom' -+ gtkmozembed = 'mozilla-gtkmozembed' + elif re.search("^mozilla-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): + xpcom = 'mozilla-xpcom' + gtkmozembed = 'mozilla-gtkmozembed' +-elif re.search("^firefox-xpcom", packages, re.MULTILINE): +- xpcom = 'firefox-xpcom' +- gtkmozembed = 'firefox-gtkmozembed' else: sys.exit("Can't find xulrunner-xpcom, mozilla-xpcom or firefox-xpcom") -@@ -334,7 +342,7 @@ +@@ -334,7 +339,7 @@ data_files.append((dest_dir, listfiles(source_dir))) # add the desktop file, icons, mime data, and man page. @@ -54,7 +57,7 @@ if rv != 0: raise RuntimeError("xine_extractor compilation failed. Possibly missing libxine, gdk-pixbuf-2.0, or glib-2.0.") -@@ -342,11 +350,11 @@ +@@ -342,11 +347,11 @@ data_files += [ ('/usr/share/pixmaps', glob(os.path.join(platform_dir, 'miro-*.png'))), --------------040402070800090609010504-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 00:33:15 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA9216A41B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.186]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 513B413C4CE for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:33:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swhetzel@gmail.com) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b2so812333nfb.33 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:33:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=NLXOvhFGLDz07t7qQGOEo0SAAXEeZX1Vi1cK7UpGq2s=; b=x1P3Vm39V19KdTtGjuWYLX3bjERnck8R4+qccmddUvTXAqXjzEhtwv8HlQX9kV5llknczI1JNctD9EOH4Wpl2ZdLADwbuuhRRpVG+eE1yMI6f6Lx+qLspCHc6j5glTRx5tRTGixVHOSz/D3Y3Optp1zHvv7XC/5OkHtjEloE92E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JXP3/35uhVHMS1mcjfo6bI7tk7jsXmKOcuEdg6BuYW899fsWHTqLvTueasKlUVGQXXkSb2KkeyiVUCpJ9Jtv1DVJfXjObeQG0Ka7eUD1NcDWIeMXtYI0IrUm1IftTuMg5owTSJXG/0n7Qk/aR8A0mayDycja6AHFEUksu3Y56H0= Received: by 10.86.25.17 with SMTP id 17mr2391246fgy.28.1197590947636; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:09:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.86.3.20 with HTTP; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:09:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <790a9fff0712131609s3a7af7b8r3d468b088ed3f703@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:09:07 -0600 From: "Scot Hetzel" To: "Bernard Nowakowski" In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: make index doesn't work X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:33:15 -0000 On 12/13/07, Bernard Nowakowski wrote: > Hi, > > I've been trying to find a solution to my problem via Google or > freebsd-ports' group archive but maybe you can help. > > The problem is: I run cvsup, go into /usr/ports and type make index. After > some minutes I get the following error message: > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.gnome.mk", line 643: Malformed conditional > (${_USE_GNOME_ALL:Mpango}=="") > "/usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk", line 6147: if-less endif > make: fatal errors encountered -- cannot continue > ===> graphics/graphviz failed > *** Error code 1 > 1 error > I also had this problem when using pkg_version, what i did was to: cd /usr/ports/graphics/graphviz make rmconfig Then when I ran pkg_version a second time it did't give this error. Scot From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 01:10:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526A816A417; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Castalia@PIRL.LPL.Arizona.edu) Received: from DakotaMail.dakotacom.net (mail.ultrasw.com [66.181.240.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2888E13C442; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:10:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Castalia@PIRL.LPL.Arizona.edu) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (unverified [69.9.16.119]) by DakotaMail.dakotacom.net (Vircom SMTPRS 4.4.568.54) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:58:59 -0700 X-Modus-BlackList: 69.9.16.119=OK;Castalia@PIRL.LPL.Arizona.edu=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 69.9.16.119=YES X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;0 Message-ID: <4761D54B.8010503@PIRL.LPL.Arizona.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:58:51 -0700 From: Bradford Castalia Organization: University of Arizona User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060401) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vd@FreeBSD.org References: <475883E6.5030306@idaeim.com> <20071212142216.GA13514@polejan.hw.v5d.org> In-Reply-To: <20071212142216.GA13514@polejan.hw.v5d.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: ossp-uuid-1.6.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:10:08 -0000 Excellent. Thank you! Bradford Castalia Senior Systems Analyst Planetary Image Research Laboratory University of Arizona "Build an image in your mind, fit yourself into it." Vasil Dimov wrote: > On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 16:21:10 -0700, Bradford Castalia wrote: >> The current distribution package does not include the C++ API support. >> This is important for those of us depending on this API for support of >> applications that we are building and distributing. >> >> When building this package please include the --with-cxx configure >> option so the resulting package will be complete. > > Done. > From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 01:38:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE86F16A418 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D6113C455 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:38:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lBE1OATu003823 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:24:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:24:09 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071214012409.GA26110@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:24:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:38:05 -0000 Hi all I'm just want known if there are any plan to replace teTeX ports (the project as stop) by TeXLive ? I've send long time ago a mail to teTeX maintainer and I don't have any answer. I known that's nothing urgent, but without tex the live is hard ;-) Regards. -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Ven 14 déc 2007 02:22:06 CET From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 01:51:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1F516A419 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:51:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2BA013C4D3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:51:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.3.2 anthesphoria.net lBE1pUf9083504 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1197597097; bh=BX3yoiKC6u9qsq1hqpRm9R5gHYKw3zZ36oXUc4Jf9 d8=; l=724; h=X-Bogosity:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:X-Mailer:X-Face:X-Operating-System: Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=OFOUYvv/Nyz /dkp52Ih9/XoUINnpYXdfWUpfz8Rqv8GAN29huccQksaKbdBZ6/Hr9/ayEMDECQIQSs QMwInsbPaCCC040s9rlo8HoiH/zzGp+u7bWmVG4pW0LgbfE1TTk+EmefQvsG9JoMdKp tUI10kSJ3xyq4aDSQWLwYmhEQQ= Received: from anthesphoria.net (adsl-202-214.eunet.yu [213.198.202.214]) (authenticated bits=0) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBE1pUf9083504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:51:34 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:52:30 +0100 From: Nikola =?UTF-8?B?TGXEjWnEhw==?= To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr Message-ID: <20071214025230.361715eb@anthesphoria.net> In-Reply-To: <20071214012409.GA26110@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071214012409.GA26110@pcjas.obspm.fr> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd6.2) X-Face: pbl6-.[$G'Fi(Ogs2xlXP-V6{3||$Y[LOYs&~GJoikj'cVjcFC[V7du;;0~6nO= [Vi2?uU1Pq~,=Adj@,T:|"`$AF~il]J.Nz#2pU',Y7.{B;m/?{#sO^Dvo$rnmY6] X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:51:38 -0000 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:24:09 +0100 Albert Shih wrote: =20 > I'm just want known if there are any plan to replace teTeX ports (the > project as stop) by TeXLive ? >=20 > I've send long time ago a mail to teTeX maintainer and I don't have > any answer.=20 "Me too." I must add that I tried two times to contact two FreeBSD developers who (according to the public sources) seemed to be interested in this; never got a single word of reply. Having in mind that I offered a help, some experience and maintaining/testing availability, I can't understand this. It's very discouraging. --=20 Nikola Le=C4=8Di=C4=87 :: =D0=9D=D0=B8=D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BB=D0=B0 =D0=9B=D0=B5= =D1=87=D0=B8=D1=9B From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 02:13:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354E616A419 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.201]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4AA813C455 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:13:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danny@ricin.com) Received: from [213.51.146.188] (port=34187 helo=smtp3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J303P-000720-5a for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:13:31 +0100 Received: from cp1228410-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl ([84.27.157.163]:51929 helo=desktop.homenet) by smtp3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J303O-00056d-Kj for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:13:31 +0100 Received: by desktop.homenet (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:12:47 +0100 From: "Danny Pansters" To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:12:47 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> In-Reply-To: <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> X-Face: (Zs+'ncTcchkOX|~t6{?Iii=O!G#WEK!+OD0|-F=i%1pvP5V_Sz4PaJC8o)=?utf-8?q?MiSnH/JMJFy=0A=09oBN-My?=, v":S7, (=?utf-8?q?mmkPm=27U=7BMgT+eM=2EBd=5Cp/P!dr=5DhOTXqpse21O!=25Ct=60SE=2EOodq?= =?utf-8?q?=5Dry=5E=23kU=5E=0A=09-?=GT.[8D}i$6P>=" =?utf-8?q?=23=0A=09*J+4d=7E?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:13:33 -0000 On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:17:34 Warren Block wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Steven Kreuzer wrote: > > This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" but I > > figured I would start a new thread. > > Rightly so. > > > On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: > >> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of the > >> current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even still > >> works. > >> > >> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty > >> of. Code talks. > > > > Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented anywhere? I > > have been using ports on my home machine for a long time and I've never > > had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when you > > work with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. > > > > I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations people > > have run into when using ports. > > Notable with the new modular Xorg is the speed of changes > (install/deinstall/clean) when there are a lot of ports installed. > Before modular xorg, 400 ports installed was a lot. 700 now is not > surprising. > > Some profiling looking for areas which could benefit from speed > optimization would be useful. That may have already been done but not > publicized. > Well, I can tell you what I think: If we don't want thousands of global knobs, then it's either splitting up in almost atomic micro ports which inflates the number of ports or using port OPTIONS... BUT... we currently have no standard mechanism to actually use another port's OPTIONS in a somewhat generic way. It's all about where and how you want to have your granularity (sp?) I think. In the longer run, being able to specify a port's options when specifying DEPENDS would probably be a very useful and not very invasive change for the better (or maybe if that's simpler -- doubt it -- some sort of OPT_DEPENDS). If someone wants to work specifically on addressing - to put it bluntly - the "debianizing-ports-versus-optionifying-properly" issue I'm interested in chipping in or if needed leading such an effort. The scope should be only that and it must be backwards compatible. Some food for thought maybe, Dan From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 03:35:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 611E716A46B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:35:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE6113C51B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:35:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so766244pyb.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:35:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=glvuJiRkyq3h4n6n9pQjhBSSYQHfcaj9ZNgfkWzphEA=; b=Am15QmyvevO9kz5CACEE5iXy7eB5G8fGNqOrdTbLRFMaAhtQM+sEEtSWPjSxgQ7HrMtOFfsPfGmfT6lMbX4Vm8VN2f5VeOH2uxbnpic+mMuK5w4YZSSM8a5HIBeRA/RIylFqDdYoeRJ5+ZzjmCZeeLC5AT8N3oUuwC108twBsB8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f2F0miQZBvO4yO/iprjncig6D8NWMmmeZnBc18vdYtw6pKFNspIx2oedIxLY4UJuXLzDOO7lcvpsePtiPNLIF1jwAEjEmAs0/cJhG58Sz8uH+EF+fSDwljXMLtuUtYekWyE9kCW7g25TVskxc8yvyuRwQ5JEH7VgWP+8lN/BJkQ= Received: by 10.65.115.4 with SMTP id s4mr5960449qbm.71.1197603357533; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f18sm547774qba.2007.12.13.19.35.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:35:56 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Pansters References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> In-Reply-To: <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:35:59 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Danny Pansters wrote: > On Thursday 13 December 2007 19:17:34 Warren Block wrote: >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007, Steven Kreuzer wrote: >>> This thread was called "results of ports re-engineering survey" but I >>> figured I would start a new thread. >> Rightly so. >> >>> On Dec 12, 2007, at 6:45 AM, Ade Lovett wrote: >>>> We *know* it can be done better. We *know* the scaling limits of the >>>> current system, and most of us are completely amazed it even still >>>> works. >>>> >>>> If y'all want to make a difference, concepts and ideas we have plenty >>>> of. Code talks. >>> Out of curiosity, are any of these shortcomings documented anywhere? I >>> have been using ports on my home machine for a long time and I've never >>> had any problems with it. I assume the issues come into play when you >>> work with multiple systems you are trying to keep in sync, etc. >>> >>> I would be interested in reading about some of the limitations people >>> have run into when using ports. >> Notable with the new modular Xorg is the speed of changes >> (install/deinstall/clean) when there are a lot of ports installed. >> Before modular xorg, 400 ports installed was a lot. 700 now is not >> surprising. >> >> Some profiling looking for areas which could benefit from speed >> optimization would be useful. That may have already been done but not >> publicized. >> > > Well, I can tell you what I think: > > If we don't want thousands of global knobs, then it's either splitting up in > almost atomic micro ports which inflates the number of ports or using port > OPTIONS... BUT... we currently have no standard mechanism to actually use > another port's OPTIONS in a somewhat generic way. > > It's all about where and how you want to have your granularity (sp?) I think. An other option is keep the knobs in a centeral DB but only ask for ones the port being currently being compiled requires and all other values are cached. Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def with 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already set it for abc. > > In the longer run, being able to specify a port's options when specifying > DEPENDS would probably be a very useful and not very invasive change for the > better (or maybe if that's simpler -- doubt it -- some sort of OPT_DEPENDS). > > If someone wants to work specifically on addressing - to put it bluntly - > the "debianizing-ports-versus-optionifying-properly" issue I'm interested in > chipping in or if needed leading such an effort. The scope should be only > that and it must be backwards compatible. There is enough dependancy (and alt versioning) issues they must be addressed also. The alt versioning alone will require a complete redesign I think thus we mightest well throw in port/package interchangability. So I am leaning towards a ground up rewrite unless some can show how to get real dependancy management and alt. versions into the existing framework. Note neither should complicate the current system any more then absulutely needed and any such compilcation should be on the maintainers and portmgr only (hopefully none). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYfnizIOMjAek4JIRAisNAKCQ2VZ2wibSFinuKAztxJlvI6dbPQCdEgbQ SnHPQr+mrf9aImgj8iL7ZMI= =RuoC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 04:51:33 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A857A16A41B; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:51:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@consciuminternational.com.au) Received: from qsrv01sl.mx.bigpond.com (qsrv01sl.mx.bigpond.com [144.140.92.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30B313C474; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:51:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@consciuminternational.com.au) Received: from oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com ([58.172.113.127]) by omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20071214013502.EVTO9168.omta01sl.mx.bigpond.com@oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com>; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:35:02 +0000 Received: from heuristicsystems.com.au ([58.172.113.127]) by oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20071214013502.DMTC25607.oaamta02sl.mx.bigpond.com@heuristicsystems.com.au>; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 01:35:02 +0000 Received: from black (black.hs [10.0.5.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by heuristicsystems.com.au (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lBE1YusX037154 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:34:56 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from dewayne.geraghty@consciuminternational.com.au) From: "Dewayne Geraghty" To: Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:33:46 +1100 Message-ID: <003b01c83df1$5f3ff9a0$0105000a@black> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Thread-Index: Acg98V6A6ybgyHhKQxOpwkLJrOjF0A== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: cfengine-2.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:51:33 -0000 Sergie, I really appreciate your efforts with cfengine. I've discovered its use in maintaining 8 different sites with fairly complex configuration requirements. Is there any chance that you could update the kit to 2.2.3, as there won't be another upgrade to cfengine until June 2008, and the changes in 2.2.2 are "desired" :) . I've tried but its too complex - as a workaround I removed the files/patch* and kludged distinfo but it become stuck with docs during the make. Kind regards, Dewayne. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 04:58:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF51C16A46C for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org (tarsier.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91D0513C442 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from delphij@delphij.net) Received: from localhost (tarsier.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A79D3EC67E6; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:58:57 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at geekcn.org Received: from tarsier.geekcn.org ([210.51.165.229]) by localhost (mail.geekcn.org [210.51.165.229]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V0gR-FW1ZJQI; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:58:52 +0800 (CST) Received: from LI-Xins-MacBook.local (c-67-161-39-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.161.39.180]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tarsier.geekcn.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D30BEC67A5; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:58:47 +0800 (CST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=default; d=delphij.net; c=nofws; q=dns; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:organization:user-agent: mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to: x-enigmail-version:openpgp:content-type; b=pX45KZnrQ16VkFTL99DWBPa++nZQbzmmVmld45/owAY5Y0AJ0gUof28XYJJdruGaD NquD/mxc3EwDASmSxbtbw== Message-ID: <47620D80.7080401@delphij.net> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:58:40 -0800 From: LI Xin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dewayne Geraghty References: <003b01c83df1$5f3ff9a0$0105000a@black> In-Reply-To: <003b01c83df1$5f3ff9a0$0105000a@black> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: url=http://www.delphij.net/delphij.asc Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig678D25CEF31CDF5C35EE4AD8" Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org, sergei@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD Port: cfengine-2.2.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: d@delphij.net List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 04:58:59 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig678D25CEF31CDF5C35EE4AD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dewayne Geraghty wrote: > Sergie, > =20 > I really appreciate your efforts with cfengine. I've discovered its us= e in > maintaining 8 different sites with fairly complex configuration > requirements. Is there any chance that you could update the kit to 2.2= =2E3, > as there won't be another upgrade to cfengine until June 2008, and the > changes in 2.2.2 are "desired" :) .=20 > =20 > I've tried but its too complex - as a workaround I removed the files/pa= tch* > and kludged distinfo but it become stuck with docs during the make. Try http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D118562 --=20 Xin LI http://www.delphij.net/ FreeBSD - The Power to Serve! --------------enig678D25CEF31CDF5C35EE4AD8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYg2BOfuToMruuMARCgpzAJ99/Dg0OsMYs4zgd6DRSWRBq2mNkACfVp4j QXjXXS1FJdUipqdz8BXuTVs= =+uSK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig678D25CEF31CDF5C35EE4AD8-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 06:43:58 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA8A016A41B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail2.fluidhosting.com (mx21.fluidhosting.com [204.14.89.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8E37813C458 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:43:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dougb@FreeBSD.org) Received: (qmail 10990 invoked by uid 399); 14 Dec 2007 06:43:57 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO lap.dougb.net) (dougb@dougbarton.us@127.0.0.1) by localhost with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2007 06:43:57 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 127.0.0.1 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:43:54 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Barton To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Nikola_Le=E8i=E6?= In-Reply-To: <20071214025230.361715eb@anthesphoria.net> Message-ID: References: <20071214012409.GA26110@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20071214025230.361715eb@anthesphoria.net> User-Agent: Alpine 0.999999 (BSF 847 2007-12-06) X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0xD5B2F0FB Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1794900055-1197614636=:5964" Cc: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr, FreeBSD-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:43:59 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1794900055-1197614636=:5964 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Nikola LeÄić wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:24:09 +0100 > Albert Shih wrote: > >> I'm just want known if there are any plan to replace teTeX ports (the >> project as stop) by TeXLive ? >> >> I've send long time ago a mail to teTeX maintainer and I don't have >> any answer. > > "Me too." > > I must add that I tried two times to contact two FreeBSD developers who > (according to the public sources) seemed to be interested in this; > never got a single word of reply. Having in mind that I offered a help, > some experience and maintaining/testing availability, I can't > understand this. It's very discouraging. please feel free to take that as a sign that you should take the ball and run with it. :) Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection --0-1794900055-1197614636=:5964-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 07:58:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4809816A417 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:58:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC5513C442 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cptsalek@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i10so1666628mue.3 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:58:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; 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charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline References: <20071214012409.GA26110@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20071214025230.361715eb@anthesphoria.net> Cc: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr, FreeBSD-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:58:50 -0000 SGksCgpPbiAxNC8xMi8yMDA3LCBOaWtvbGEgTGXoaeYgPG5pa29sYS5sZWNpY0BhbnRoZXNwaG9y aWEubmV0PiB3cm90ZToKPiBPbiBGcmksIDE0IERlYyAyMDA3IDAyOjI0OjA5ICswMTAwCj4gQWxi ZXJ0IFNoaWggPEFsYmVydC5TaGloQG9ic3BtLmZyPiB3cm90ZToKPgo+ID4gSSdtIGp1c3Qgd2Fu dCBrbm93biBpZiB0aGVyZSBhcmUgYW55IHBsYW4gdG8gcmVwbGFjZSB0ZVRlWCBwb3J0cyAodGhl Cj4gPiBwcm9qZWN0IGFzIHN0b3ApIGJ5IFRlWExpdmUgPwo+ID4KPiA+IEkndmUgc2VuZCBsb25n IHRpbWUgYWdvIGEgbWFpbCB0byB0ZVRlWCBtYWludGFpbmVyIGFuZCBJIGRvbid0IGhhdmUKPiA+ IGFueSBhbnN3ZXIuCj4KPiAiTWUgdG9vLiIKPgo+IEkgbXVzdCBhZGQgdGhhdCBJIHRyaWVkIHR3 byB0aW1lcyB0byBjb250YWN0IHR3byBGcmVlQlNEIGRldmVsb3BlcnMgd2hvCj4gKGFjY29yZGlu ZyB0byB0aGUgcHVibGljIHNvdXJjZXMpIHNlZW1lZCB0byBiZSBpbnRlcmVzdGVkIGluIHRoaXM7 Cj4gbmV2ZXIgZ290IGEgc2luZ2xlIHdvcmQgb2YgcmVwbHkuIEhhdmluZyBpbiBtaW5kIHRoYXQg SSBvZmZlcmVkIGEgaGVscCwKPiBzb21lIGV4cGVyaWVuY2UgYW5kIG1haW50YWluaW5nL3Rlc3Rp bmcgYXZhaWxhYmlsaXR5LCBJIGNhbid0Cj4gdW5kZXJzdGFuZCB0aGlzLiBJdCdzIHZlcnkgZGlz Y291cmFnaW5nLgoKU29tZSB0aW1lIGFnbyBJIGFza2VkIHdoaWNoIFRlWC1Qb3J0IHdvdWxkIGJl IHRoZSBiZXN0LCBMYVRlWCBvZGVyCnRlVGVYLiBQZW9wbGUgaGVyZSBvbiB0aGlzIGxpc3QgcmVj b21tZW5kZWQgdGVUZVguClRlWExpdmUgY2FtZSB1cCwgdG9vLCBhbmQgQUZBSUsgdGhlcmUgaXMg d29yayBiZWluZyBkb25lIHRvIGluY2x1ZGUgaXQKaW4gdGhlIHBvcnRzIHN5c3RlbS4gQnV0IFRl WExpdmUgaXMgYSBkaXN0cmlidXRpb24gdGhhdCBjb250YWlucyBsb2FkcwpvZiBzdHVmZiB0aGF0 IGlzbid0IG5lZWRlZCB3aXRoIEZyZWVCU0QsIGFuZCBzb21lIHBhcnRzIGRvbid0IGZpciBpbnRv CmEgRnJlZUJTRCBzeXN0ZW0uIFNvIHRoZXJlJ3MgbG90cyBvZiB3b3JrIHRvIGJlIGRvbmUgYW5k IFRlWExpdmUgY2FuJ3QKYmUgZXhwZWN0ZWQgYW55dGltZSBzb29uLgpGb3IgbW9yZSBkZXRhaWwg cGxlYXNlIHNlZSB0aGUgbGlzdCBhcmNoaXZlcywgSSdtIHByZXR0eSBzdXJlIEkgYXNrZWQKb24g cXVlc3Rpb25zQCBidXQgSSBjYW4ndCBhY2Nlc3MgbXkgb3duIGFyY2hpdmVzIHJpZ2h0IG5vdy4K CkhUSCAmIEhBTkQKQ2hyaXN0aWFuCg== From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 08:49:36 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: FreeBSD-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2A0416A421 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A5A13C457 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:49:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lBE8nOqR011390; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:49:24 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:49:24 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Christian Walther Message-ID: <20071214084924.GA28405@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071214012409.GA26110@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20071214025230.361715eb@anthesphoria.net> <14989d6e0712132358n1c557a62h706847887c85c0b9@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <14989d6e0712132358n1c557a62h706847887c85c0b9@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:49:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Nikola Le?i? , FreeBSD-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:49:37 -0000 Le 14/12/2007 à 08:58:45+0100, Christian Walther a écrit > Hi, > > On 14/12/2007, Nikola Le?i? wrote: > > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:24:09 +0100 > > Albert Shih wrote: > > > > > I'm just want known if there are any plan to replace teTeX ports (the > > > project as stop) by TeXLive ? > > > > > > I've send long time ago a mail to teTeX maintainer and I don't have > > > any answer. > > > > "Me too." > > > > I must add that I tried two times to contact two FreeBSD developers who > > (according to the public sources) seemed to be interested in this; > > never got a single word of reply. Having in mind that I offered a help, > > some experience and maintaining/testing availability, I can't > > understand this. It's very discouraging. > > Some time ago I asked which TeX-Port would be the best, LaTeX oder > teTeX. People here on this list recommended teTeX. I think there are some misunderstanding. teTeX is a distrubition, latex is a command. tex, latex, pdftex, pdflatex, etc.... is set of command and all of this command need many files (~15000 files). If you like it's like a Linux, gcc is part of Linux, but gcc is not Linux. And the are many linux distribution (Debian, Fedora etc..). But actually there only one distribution and it's TexLive. The teTeX project is ended by the author. And as like a Linux distribution you can use it event it's not up2date, but after sometime, depend the speed of the evolution, you need a new distribution. tex/latex don't evolve very fast, that's not mean it's never change. Actually I think it's not a problem to use teTeX. But IMHO it's the best interest of all FreeBSD user to have soon TexLive instead teTeX > TeXLive came up, too, and AFAIK there is work being done to include it > in the ports system. But TeXLive is a distribution that contains loads > of stuff that isn't needed with FreeBSD, and some parts don't fir into don't needed by you....but maybe needed by some others. > a FreeBSD system. So there's lots of work to be done and TeXLive can't > be expected anytime soon. Of course it's what I want to say. There's lots of work and teTeX is ended in may 2006. Regards. -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Ven 14 déc 2007 09:35:16 CET From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 09:10:12 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C6916A417 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:10:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from shiva.jussieu.fr (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.129]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3ABA13C457 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:10:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michel@lpthe.jussieu.fr) Received: from parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.1]) by shiva.jussieu.fr (8.13.8/jtpda-5.4) with ESMTP id lBE9A8bu030817 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:10:09 +0100 (CET) X-Ids: 164 Received: from niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr [134.157.10.41]) by parthe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64E3237040 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:10:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by niobe.lpthe.jussieu.fr (Postfix, from userid 2005) id 7685680; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:10:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:10:07 +0100 From: Michel Talon To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071214091007.GA13446@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (shiva.jussieu.fr [134.157.0.164]); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:10:09 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88.7/5116/Fri Dec 14 08:14:39 2007 on shiva.jussieu.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Miltered: at shiva.jussieu.fr with ID 47624870.007 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr)! Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:10:12 -0000 Albert Shih wrote: > I'm just want known if there are any plan to replace teTeX ports (the > project as stop) by TeXLive ? > > I've send long time ago a mail to teTeX maintainer and I don't have any > answer. > > I known that's nothing urgent, but without tex the live is hard ;-) Well, TeX itself is frozen since many years, so the differences between TeTeX and TeXLive are of the order of the infinitesimal. It is not like you could not do "happy texing" using TeTeX. Of course the migration to TeXLive will have to occur but i understand that it is not an ultra hot priority. Personnally i would be happier with a distribution much lighter than TeTeX, i think the only progress of any interest in all that stuff is pdftex. If only i could put Latex2e in the trash can ... -- Michel TALON From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 10:00:06 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D66116A41B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fenner@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499A113C47E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fenner@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (fenner@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id lBEA06PU075382 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:06 GMT (envelope-from fenner@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from fenner@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id lBEA06QO075381 for ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:06 GMT (envelope-from fenner) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:06 GMT From: Bill Fenner Message-Id: <200712141000.lBEA06QO075381@freefall.freebsd.org> To: ports@FreeBSD.org Cc: Subject: Possibly unbuildable ports reminder X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:00:06 -0000 Dear porters, This is just a reminder to please periodically check the list of unbuildable ports at http://pointyhat.freebsd.org/errorlogs/ . A list by MAINTAINER is http://people.freebsd.org/~fenner/errorlogs/ so you can easily check the status of ports that you maintain. In addition, the list of ports with no MAINTAINER with build problems is http://people.freebsd.org/~fenner/errorlogs/ports@freebsd.org.html Since no one is responsible for these ports, the problem won't get fixed unless someone on this list takes the initiative. Thanks for your help! Bill "annoying port email" Fenner From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 10:58:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4758916A417 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:58:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@chronos.org.uk) Received: from chronos.org.uk (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:1f06:c8::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C4413C43E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:58:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@chronos.org.uk) Received: from workstation2.local.chronos.org.uk (workstation2.local.chronos.org.uk [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:c8:217:31ff:fe4c:c03a]) (authenticated bits=0) by chronos.org.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBEAwi85049231 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:58:45 GMT (envelope-from matt@chronos.org.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.3.2 chronos.org.uk lBEAwi85049231 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=chronos.org.uk; s=dktest; t=1197629932; bh=xirYaRj33pHjAqvSCVYzYaMZ58UpyfT3n8Aacv7b iJY=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:References:In-Reply-To: X-Face:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Disposition:Message-Id:X-Spam-Status: X-Spam-Checker-Version:X-Virus-Scanned:X-Virus-Status; b=cJDlzHPlm /7fPrfr7stmX8tnSNtAJxEh+rjPykIV1PolgMrbcJG5poQoMYSmFyFKz6W/aAbItuoU MdYP2gD134hTYiztKKXFoSLFi4WCmUlpuNr2lAAetpSleEXHymXlvPx8Pe6CGtJLD7D j759sGr1VLP+PdmkrgJn6vXiFxYg= From: Matt Dawson To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:59:02 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20071214084944.0CCCA16A4B3@hub.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <20071214084944.0CCCA16A4B3@hub.freebsd.org> X-Face: Uq{{&_!oO{M&ydj?-f%{D]bN7/|/]a+utod35[+IyH#R>F~YPffK,=?iso-8859-1?q?=25=60=7D=25=0A?= FTMbmzo,]0X3K:N&{h7],FI{?EkORzB; f:V3"vKXsUNw5Yh`}ef4MZ*a4,=?iso-8859-1?q?ObuJ=5F=26=5B1S=27zP=5CK0wcKZP=0A?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_=60=23L=25=5Dq*OUPQ-4T=3FHZ=7EAKX0=7D3W=25o=3DP?= X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,NO_RELAYS autolearn=ham version=3.2.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on central.local.chronos.org.uk X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5116/Fri Dec 14 07:14:39 2007 on central.local.chronos.org.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:58:55 -0000 On Friday 14 Dec 2007, freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org wrote: > I was not planning to skimp on the requirements at all but the test > case is xorg. A far better test case, IMHO, would be to run a similar build to the pointyhat cluster if you're serious about *replacing* the ports system. Unless a new system can do this, as well as being able to produce packages for a centralised port build system for multiple machines (yes, you can do this with NFS and a little thought), the metaphor "snowball in hell" springs to mind. The job you've given yourself is an elephant. I'll leave it up to others to decide if it's white or just too large to eat on your own all at once. Furthermore, if said elephant isn't consumed in its entirety, expect some resistance to your proof of concept code from some unexpected sources since the ports system isn't just the package management system some people seem to think it is. Looking at all this from a user's perspective is fine and dandy until you have a release to do. The ports are tied into bits of the base system in various ways, for example, make release or USE_OPENSSL=base. The current system, although appearing to drip with legacy methods and what look like arcane rituals to appease the make god (until you understand how it all fits together), is very powerful - perhaps more so than any other package managment system I've ever used - and is structured to work for end users, the release engineering and ports management teams. I suspect this is why so many @FreeBSD.org replies were negative. I don't wish to rock the boat and start another 8 kids 1 toy discourse and there is certainly no malice or insult intended, but the ports system is so much more than getting X installed on a desktop box. First and foremost, release engineering depends on it. Change can be good, but always remember the alternate definition of progress: Taking the best of what you have. And ruining it. -- Matt Dawson. matt@chronos.org.uk MTD15-RIPE From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 11:19:46 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E9A16A418 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C654713C44B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1092908pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:19:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0rDGdlpdiU1UrUjvuxIkI7SEXy+Hmu8l2xe2/pEdQZo=; b=FFRrUKyRAlo90uuLcjAiTEOE0qs4ExvZxCYkaq8RK5F6G/TebTlNGyipOpzN9NOSnOXHgxxXzvR7BsR3jSVEvsE8UX9GxAq2KdJlTvt0nUDh4SLrDO5DhdCq8U0bqkQADSxpmJUq7pP/aEJn9xK4MvHlwbTaOr62uW+e+VJNHYg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oMg6+P2Jdyr19+G99yGHn3Bc3MmzoxmjM4Q2ssP4Gal4fBz3xm9iM1yXPvJpCsbW9sVyh+0S4QFsxTVxVUk/cSPFzh7AP2GrFfyOuzueuYk6spw10rTr5S2BuN0Lx3J9wDS6g8rzgGA2VsIYDQNPlIn0XnvCtoGssoMWLBaqXwY= Received: by 10.65.119.14 with SMTP id w14mr6881638qbm.23.1197631183452; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:19:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q15sm948358qbq.2007.12.14.03.19.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:19:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476266CC.7040905@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:19:40 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Dawson References: <20071214084944.0CCCA16A4B3@hub.freebsd.org> <200712141059.03146.matt@chronos.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <200712141059.03146.matt@chronos.org.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 11:19:46 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Matt Dawson wrote: > On Friday 14 Dec 2007, freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org wrote: >> I was not planning to skimp on the requirements at all but the test >> case is xorg. > > A far better test case, IMHO, would be to run a similar build to the pointyhat > cluster if you're serious about *replacing* the ports system. Unless a new > system can do this, as well as being able to produce packages for a > centralised port build system for multiple machines (yes, you can do this > with NFS and a little thought), the metaphor "snowball in hell" springs to > mind. In the parlance of testing I consider xorg to be a large but basically a unit test. It has the following advantages: 1. Just enough external depends to not make it completely trivial (thus ideal for a unit style test) 2. Certain ports with in the system behave different depending on the order stuff is built in thus this serves as a good proof that DAG scanning is working on a non-trivial DAG 3. Unlike attempting to build the entire ports collection it is a relatively stable target (again an other key requirement for a unit test) Once xorg works correctly I will consider the new system to be alpha for the purposes of scaling it up to a static build of the whole ports system (alpha2) and finally the beta is doing it against a non-static ports system (i.e. having the two systems track each other). So when I said release I did not mean entery into production I just meant complete enough to allow non-core developer use. The idea is except for handling special cases as gracefully as possible the system is complete after xorg and special cases is where it becomes larger then what a small team of 1 or 2 people can handle. This does not preclude refactoring on behalf of the core team to make it so there as few special cases as possible. > > The job you've given yourself is an elephant. I'll leave it up to others to > decide if it's white or just too large to eat on your own all at once. > Furthermore, if said elephant isn't consumed in its entirety, expect some > resistance to your proof of concept code from some unexpected sources since > the ports system isn't just the package management system some people seem to > think it is. Proof of concept is a little stronger then how I would describe it. > > Looking at all this from a user's perspective is fine and dandy until you have > a release to do. The ports are tied into bits of the base system in various > ways, for example, make release or USE_OPENSSL=base. The current system, > although appearing to drip with legacy methods and what look like arcane > rituals to appease the make god (until you understand how it all fits > together), is very powerful - perhaps more so than any other package > managment system I've ever used - and is structured to work for end users, > the release engineering and ports management teams. I suspect this is why so > many @FreeBSD.org replies were negative. The general model I have in mind more then enough accounts for this interplay... but this entire discussion is getting ahead of the project we still don't have a clear idea of the project scope. > > I don't wish to rock the boat and start another 8 kids 1 toy discourse and > there is certainly no malice or insult intended, but the ports system is so > much more than getting X installed on a desktop box. First and foremost, > release engineering depends on it. Change can be good, but always remember > the alternate definition of progress: Taking the best of what you have. And > ruining it. I understand this completely (one reason I am doing this is I am working on a commerical OS that will need near equivelent functionality and this is the perfect way to prototype the concepts without creating a all or nothing risk [i.e. FreeBSD can always fall back on the current system where is the OS I am working for all intensive purposes will be stuck with what ever solution is implemented on it]). X is really nothing more then a large scale unit test. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYmbMzIOMjAek4JIRAtiwAJ9EsK2iBDmwqlr2DoZrJzedqwjeXACgpiGk LVPJXVFIZgwYWd0XBt7s0zo= =uqaP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 12:50:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D7416A4A0 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:50:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RF=f0ba0234@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from turtle-out.mxes.net (turtle-out.mxes.net [216.86.168.191]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 439CB13C478 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:50:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RF=f0ba0234@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by turtle-in.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7364163F63 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6631DD0503 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:19:09 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:19:06 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:50:20 -0000 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and > def with 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already > set it for abc. How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes lock-ups on "def" From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 13:57:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2941C16A41B for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:57:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [217.20.163.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D842113C4CC for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:57:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A802574401F for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:57:13 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at falcon.cybervisiontech.com Received: from falcon.cybervisiontech.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (falcon.cybervisiontech.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOGj-iaoIRQb for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:57:13 +0200 (EET) Received: from [10.2.1.87] (gateway.cybervisiontech.com.ua [88.81.251.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by falcon.cybervisiontech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796B4744012 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:57:13 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <47628BB8.3050706@icyb.net.ua> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:57:12 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: make config-conditional recursive ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:57:16 -0000 Is make config-conditional recursive ? If not, shouldn't there be something like config-conditional-recursive ? My idea is to run something like the following to configure ports before upgrading a significant number of them: portupgrade -n -B 'make config-conditional' pkg1 pkg2 ... -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 14:45:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80D316A418 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdwicker@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CE913C45A for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:44:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdwicker@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1253384pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:44:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: riggs@rrr.de, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: multimedia/mplayer doesn't build (default options) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:45:00 -0000 I can confirm same error here. 6.2-STABLE FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE #76: Fri Sep 21 11:42:26 PDT 2007 root@pcbsd:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/PCBSD-SMP i386 On Dec 13, 2007 1:21 PM, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > cc -O2 -pipe -march=pentium4 -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer > -I./libavcodec -I./libavformat -Wdisabled-optimization -Wno-pointer-sign > -Wdeclaration-after-statement -I. -I. -I./libavutil -O2 -pipe > -march=pentium4 > -O3 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE > -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -DHAVE_CONFIG_H > -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include > -I/usr/local/include/SDL -I/usr/local/include -D_REENTRANT > -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE > -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include > -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo > -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/local/include > -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include > -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -I../libavcodec -I../libavformat > -Wdisabled-optimization -Wno-pointer-sign -Wdeclaration-after-statement > -I. > -I.. -I../libavutil -O2 -pipe -march=pentium4 -O3 -ffast-math > -fomit-frame-pointer -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 > -D_LARGEFILE64_SOURCE -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/include/SDL > -I/usr/local/include -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 > -I/usr/local/include -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 > -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include/atk-1.0 > -I/usr/local/include/cairo -I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0-I/usr/local/include > -I/usr/local/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/glib-2.0/include > -I/usr/local/include/freetype2 -c -o ad_libvorbis.o ad_libvorbis.c > ad_libvorbis.c: In function 'decode_audio': > ad_libvorbis.c:232: warning: passing argument 2 of 'ds_get_packet_pts' > from > incompatible pointer type > ad_libvorbis.c:238: error: too few arguments to function > 'vorbis_synthesis' > gmake[1]: *** [ad_libvorbis.o] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/obj/homeKamikaze.norad/usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer/work/MPlayer- > 1.0rc2/libmpcodecs' > gmake: *** [libmpcodecs/libmpcodecs.a] Error 2 > *** Error code 2 > > Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer. > *** Error code 1 > > Stop in /usr/ports/multimedia/mplayer. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- --I'm not 'renting' my OS-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 15:40:35 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3572D16A41A for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:40:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bt@turtle.freedns.us) Received: from turtle.freedns.us (netblock-66-159-221-76.dslextreme.com [66.159.221.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE35F13C4E1 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:40:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bt@turtle.freedns.us) Received: from panda.turtle.freedns.us (panda.turtle.freedns.us [10.0.0.2]) by turtle.freedns.us (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id lBEFAr98006117 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:10:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bt@turtle.freedns.us) Message-ID: <47629CFC.20102@turtle.freedns.us> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:10:52 -0800 From: Igor Serikov User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.5 (X11/20070727) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Hosting for a FreeBSD port X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:40:35 -0000 Hello porters, I would like to find a hosting for small port. I thought, I can I place it to ftp.freebsd.org (the handbook mentions this possibility), I tried contacting mirror-admin@ and got no reponse. Regards, Igor. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 16:08:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D4716A418 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DD813C469 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from utd59514.utdallas.edu (utd59514.utdallas.edu [129.110.3.28]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02ED3654FF for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:08:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:08:54 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:08:55 -0000 --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > >> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and >> def with 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already >> set it for abc. > > How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? > > It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes lock-ups on > "def" SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what you are responding to and respond to him. But let me state this emphatically in the hopes it will get through his thick skull. IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. Please repeat that one hundred times until it gets through. No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. Suggestions, yes (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by default.) Decisions, no. If you depend on another port *and* on certain knobs in that dependency being enabled, then *tell* the user that during your port's install and let them decide how to handle it. DO NOT enable those knobs yourself, no matter how tempting it may be. It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user who is installing ports already has on their boxes or what they might want to add or ***what you might break***. Once you begin making decisions for them, you could well stomp all over something that was functioning perfectly normally and break a critical box. DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. -- Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 17:22:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1197316A469 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RF=f0ba0234@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from mxout-04.mxes.net (mxout-04.mxes.net [216.86.168.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EB613C4E1 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fbsd06+RF=f0ba0234@mlists.homeunix.com) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com. (unknown [87.81.140.128]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.mxes.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ABA8D0502 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:22:44 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:22:41 +0000 From: RW To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071214172241.6338c2bf@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <47628BB8.3050706@icyb.net.ua> References: <47628BB8.3050706@icyb.net.ua> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: make config-conditional recursive ? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:22:47 -0000 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:57:12 +0200 Andriy Gapon wrote: > > Is make config-conditional recursive ? No, but config-recursive is conditional From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 17:28:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED96616A417; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roodemol@cjbous.net) Received: from mail.e-service.lu (e-service.lu [83.243.9.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A689713C448; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roodemol@cjbous.net) Received: from localhost (ixion.local [127.0.0.1]) by mail.e-service.lu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC235A1CB47; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:11:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail.e-service.lu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (e-service.lu/antispam [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12418-01; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:11:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from bombadil.lan (ip-83-99-38-191.dyn.luxdsl.pt.lu [83.99.38.191]) by mail.e-service.lu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25E7A1CD3E; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:11:38 +0100 (CET) From: RISCH Gilles To: xride@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:11:14 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712141811.14594.roodemol@cjbous.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) + Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 (Debian) at e-service.lu Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: dream-1.6.25_1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:28:42 -0000 Hello, I've installed dream from the ports. Under windows I can chose the serial port and the receiver (in my case the elektor drm receiver) and change the frequency. Where can I find this dialog? Regards, Gilles From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 17:31:41 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BFDF16A418 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:31:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F97C13C465 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:31:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 5850A1CC38; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:47:27 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:47:26 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:31:41 -0000 On Friday 14 December 2007 08:08:54 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW > > wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 > > > > "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > >> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and > >> def with 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already > >> set it for abc. > > > > How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? > > > > It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes lock-ups on > > "def" > > SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what you are > responding to and respond to him. But let me state this emphatically in > the hopes it will get through his thick skull. I do wish you could acquire the maturity to distinguish between the advantages that could come arguing your case clearly and collegially and the disadvantages that acrue from being personally antagonistic towards someone with whose analysis you happen to disagree. For me when someone becomes abusive they destroy their own credibility and get to sound as though they believe their opinions antitle them to be hateful and that their own views are somehow godgiven. > IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS > TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. IMHO Shouting make you less rather than more credible. > \Please repeat that one hundred times until it > gets through. > Endless repetition does not add strength to analysis!! > No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. Suggestions, yes > (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by default.) Decisions, no. If you depend > on another port *and* on certain knobs in that dependency being enabled, > then *tell* the user that during your port's install and let them decide > how to handle it. DO NOT enable those knobs yourself, no matter how > tempting it may be. IMHO You would sound more credible if you used the IMHO a bit more!! You might also gain some respect if you followed your own advice. Make suggestions for others to consider - do not decide, in advance, they are thick skulled if they do not agree with you!! > > It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user who is > installing ports already has on their boxes or what they might want to add > or ***what you might break***. Once you begin making decisions for them, > you could well stomp all over something that was functioning perfectly > normally and break a critical box. > > DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. IMHO Shouting, hectoring and lecturing does not add weight to anyones point of view. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 19:27:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC70716A417 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahonmesr@googlemail.com) Received: from outbound-mail-101.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-101.bluehost.com [69.89.22.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A312613C4D1 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:27:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mahonmesr@googlemail.com) Received: (qmail 20120 invoked by uid 0); 14 Dec 2007 14:01:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host16.hostmonster.com) (74.220.202.16) by xmail.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2007 14:01:35 -0000 Received: from 81-86-41-187.dsl.pipex.com ([81.86.41.187] helo=logik.internal.network) by host16.hostmonster.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J3AAs-0007K0-6h; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:01:54 -0700 Received: by logik.internal.network (Postfix, from userid 1001) id EB3F261A1; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:01:50 +0000 (GMT) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:01:50 +0000 From: mahonmesr@googlemail.com To: Albert Shih Message-ID: <20071214130150.GA83665@logik.internal.network> References: <20071214012409.GA26110@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20071214025230.361715eb@anthesphoria.net> <14989d6e0712132358n1c557a62h706847887c85c0b9@mail.gmail.com> <20071214084924.GA28405@pcjas.obspm.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071214084924.GA28405@pcjas.obspm.fr> X-Identified-User: {943:host16.hostmonster.com:dromerec:dromerecordings.com} {sentby:smtp auth 81.86.41.187 authed with mark@dromerecordings.com} Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:27:10 -0000 On 20071214 09:49:24, Albert Shih wrote: > > I think there are some misunderstanding. teTeX is a distrubition, > latex is a command. > > tex, latex, pdftex, pdflatex, etc.... is set of command and all of this > command need many files (~15000 files). > > If you like it's like a Linux, gcc is part of Linux, but gcc is not Linux. > And the are many linux distribution (Debian, Fedora etc..). > > But actually there only one distribution and it's TexLive. The teTeX > project is ended by the author. > > tex/latex don't evolve very fast, that's not mean it's never change. > We have to remember, as well, that ConTeXt is also distributed as part of teTeX and the version included (TeXExec 5.2.4 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2005) is bordering on the neolithic. As such, it's not really eligble for support (the first thing you'll be told to do is upgrade to a recent version). MM From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 20:27:14 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F49916A46E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:27:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C9513C4E3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:27:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1512828pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:27:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qKVyzjrtvDEIrrBpcSvZe1JpKQdkvSBTbDfjaAMmveE=; b=eCBhPVHiEelawd3lW+KGNYROVedndC0HSHlWNmGK53i38uZUzkt93UXT9WSy0sUvlfQljNPyVspPbl8M7wmEijcBo93macta+en5RD+QDNMWH5x92nnJvohaIw69veVqyC5a8aJSq791n3fNjJ8ruaWsu5PePKO/0DWyLMENWwQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tXtuIx5wLS2K3NrXRodzc3zu2xkEjOXPnWhvy+pBuhzrIWbjyYuTn8qEA6/xdYokQ4z02jfJGQOvL8do/f/DEXYO4gVBHARKV18pcyEuHp96NYb7aHGy/fBhq2vT0m4VT1P832Gvwy5sTclBXPMUl5MEL5K/OHZcdcF9CloToB4= Received: by 10.65.194.13 with SMTP id w13mr8002541qbp.67.1197664032370; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm1510200qba.2007.12.14.12.27.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:27:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4762E71E.4040403@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:27:10 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RW References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:27:14 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 RW wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" > wrote: > >> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def with 345 >> and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already set it >> for abc. > > How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? > > It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes lock-ups > on "def" There are multiple ways to handle the effects of 345 on def... only one of them is to automatically apply it the other two are def can ignore it by default or make it suer settable -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYucdzIOMjAek4JIRAgBQAJ9NZEM3EoOieFprT+f4LUe/g3GqiQCfT7N6 lW3o2lmL+g5FZk0oUsSZpxA= =nzu2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 20:30:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C5116A469 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:30:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D364513C469 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:30:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1515395pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:30:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xUiwiqK8kruK4G76RheSfzj86f+f13k/T4iw3XEQ1G8=; b=pnTLQYfDUwvJRiNqSGnwkiUhU6Vs2vcl8RZ0IY8cPqvLbH2+UqYKs2sRUZCbB1JYmDUMTQQ7gnsQzzm5Br3TqyVrl3grFS9ET3A3f24l7I9NaJx61DgY3AfUk0Xm4VcvwNt7HP0UrIESl33LbWL0MGM/5jsqoYsVwiY0bwr+DZA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dLpru9RA8P0z5PlxmkIT7CpWHuiJEUOg0wMssWSCiGIVtYyB7QeK0JHBOVpJcvJDbiOpkE40coERCKiWu8LzmmDeYVtQq1g5V8KhTqX1ivqCnYqyXiOTRYc2RkUfTwPUIFKEialVaXWbq2MsnjCBBY4MI+3j/Pd9NC+sK7pnirk= Received: by 10.64.209.6 with SMTP id h6mr8015984qbg.64.1197664244619; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:30:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm318722qbh.2007.12.14.12.30.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:30:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4762E7F2.6040207@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:30:42 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:30:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW > wrote: > >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" >> wrote: >> >>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def with 345 >>> and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already set it >>> for abc. >> >> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >> >> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes lock-ups >> on "def" > > SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what you are > responding to and respond to him. But let me state this > emphatically in the hopes it will get through his thick skull. IT > IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. Please repeat > that one hundred times until it gets through. > > No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. > Suggestions, yes (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by default.) > Decisions, no. If you depend on another port *and* on certain > knobs in that dependency being enabled, then *tell* the user that > during your port's install and let them decide how to handle it. > DO NOT enable those knobs yourself, no matter how tempting it may > be. > > It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user who is > installing ports already has on their boxes or what they might want > to add or ***what you might break***. Once you begin making > decisions for them, you could well stomp all over something that > was functioning perfectly normally and break a critical box. > > DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. > I refuse to debate people with ear plugs on... if you want an honest debate please do so honestly -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYufyzIOMjAek4JIRAjWuAKCjBekW4+ysIJEBHZ5HShiIbzrRkwCcDo5H WVBI+0rgJDXcTG3Wpeu+90Y= =rsQy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 20:41:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19B416A417 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from ella.lautre.net (ella.lautre.net [80.67.160.76]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507DF13C455 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:41:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from thierry@pompo.net) Received: from graf.pompo.net (graf.pompo.net [81.56.186.139]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.lautre.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16484C295; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:41:16 +0100 (CET) Received: by graf.pompo.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3EEB611422; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:41:11 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:41:11 +0100 From: Thierry Thomas To: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira Message-ID: <20071214204111.GC31273@graf.pompo.net> Mail-Followup-To: Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org References: <47610AB1.7000401@uol.com.br> <20071213182627.GI66431@graf.pompo.net> <47618521.7020100@uol.com.br> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <47618521.7020100@uol.com.br> X-Face: (hRbQnK~Pt7$ct`!fupO(`y_WL4^-Iwn4@ly-.,[4xC4xc; y=\ipKMNm<1J>lv@PP~7Z<.t KjAnXLs: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-BETA2 i386 Organization: Kabbale Eros X-PGP: 0xC71405A2 Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: miro "Loading Miro Guide" forever X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:41:21 -0000 --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le Jeu 13 d=E9c 07 =E0 20:16:49 +0100, Mario Sergio Fujikawa Ferreira =E9crivait=A0: > Okay. Checking ${WRKSRC}/platform/gtk-x11/setup.py shows that=20 > xulrunner is always preferred over any other found GECKO options.=20 > Actually, the WITH_GECKO is only controlling the port dependency and it= =20 > has no influence whatsoever on what setup.py will pick. >=20 > That said. I removed xulrunner from the list of possible setup.py=20 > choices. Reinstalled and miro works with firefox. :) >=20 > I have a patch attached that rectifies this situation. Just committed, thanks! --=20 Th. Thomas. --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHYupnc95pjMcUBaIRAg1tAKDHkloDBXwcvqH7BIszIVIeqR1IVACfeStY ALp6kc8s7LJ/0F1RVXXcm8Q= =Sbul -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1LKvkjL3sHcu1TtY-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 20:45:39 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D1B16A417 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:45:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skip@menantico.com) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E767313C455 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:45:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skip@menantico.com) Received: from mx.menantico.com ([71.188.11.206]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JT200ATJ4B6QF37@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:45:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:45:30 -0500 From: Skip Ford In-reply-to: <4762E71E.4040403@gmail.com> To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Mail-followup-to: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , RW , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-id: <20071214204530.GA812@menantico.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <4762E71E.4040403@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: RW , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:45:39 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > RW wrote: >> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" >> wrote: >> >>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def with 345 >>> and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already set it >>> for abc. >> >> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >> >> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes lock-ups >> on "def" > > There are multiple ways to handle the effects of 345 on def... only > one of them is to automatically apply it the other two are def can > ignore it by default or make it suer settable Other than the automatic caching apsect, how would this be any different from what we already have with ports-mgmt/portconf? Currently, if you want a knob to apply to all ports, you wildcard the knob in your ports.conf file. If you want the same knob defined differently depending on port name, you define it per port. -- Skip From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 21:26:32 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E41616A46E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:26:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D3513C46E for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:26:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1557830pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:26:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Wf7PDlssKmktd3j1LT/6YaT47b6M561hNm2HKiXzZuM=; b=Ll1UjuV+Ezs3R6DhoEXRDy0a4Vx0OnovG04NZJOwAZ6Vp//+NX7M1pqVqVLQpBBP6ymPoj57U4XTSN+2bNvJr8ojxvZSHwXy+dKU/cdbyAMvyIONQdnwSPlYzm/3kdmiRf/D39X11EkkvwxWn4yO1k3T2nuRq0fYHbJ4mAt4hRs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=x+0YQRfieC4NkWbUF/0NA3gF45JLbzwpetvGyjtBOwC01c0uiThHINnyirX+2iSfrym+PaYyGNcFeH9dWVRkV/Mamp35KnhqUqEfO7L4SKWSfEJFEHkHAWQN9PWuZvzQ/oVAW/DuwSNKA/QibTKrWgYOfFonX80zt61NBuMYpTE= Received: by 10.65.236.13 with SMTP id n13mr8150943qbr.44.1197667585269; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f12sm2139122qba.2007.12.14.13.26.24 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:26:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4762F4FF.8080400@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:26:23 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , RW , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <4762E71E.4040403@gmail.com> <20071214204530.GA812@menantico.com> In-Reply-To: <20071214204530.GA812@menantico.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:26:32 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Skip Ford wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> RW wrote: >>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 "Aryeh M. Friedman" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def with >>>> 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already >>>> set it for abc. >>> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >>> >>> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes >>> lock-ups on "def" >> There are multiple ways to handle the effects of 345 on def... >> only one of them is to automatically apply it the other two are >> def can ignore it by default or make it suer settable > > Other than the automatic caching apsect, how would this be any > different from what we already have with ports-mgmt/portconf? > > Currently, if you want a knob to apply to all ports, you wildcard > the knob in your ports.conf file. If you want the same knob > defined differently depending on port name, you define it per port. > Often it is not possible to know if you want a knob until seeing it in context... see my reply to RW for more info -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYvT/zIOMjAek4JIRAul8AJ9dSWyYDGJTOh1d9ffBrPtBDsbKOwCgirF1 003NMaY15t0i3H2950Yt3Lw= =R/xP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 21:41:59 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485D716A41A; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:41:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D6C13C474; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:41:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D272E07E4; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:16:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:16:58 +0100 From: cpghost To: barner@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20071214211657.GA24213@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: devel/boost -- where is tools/build/v2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:41:59 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to walk through the tutorial of Boost.Python (the devel/boost-python port)... and unless I'm running out of coffe right now, it seems as if the boost port is not fully installed/specified! Isn't boost supposed to come with a tools/build/v2 directory? Where is it? Thanks for any insight, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 22:06:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D8B16A418 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrance@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pecan.exetel.com.au (pecan.exetel.com.au [220.233.0.17]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4120513C46A for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrance@FreeBSD.org) Received: from 28.201.233.220.exetel.com.au ([220.233.201.28] helo=[192.168.100.148]) by pecan.exetel.com.au with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J3IQ4-0006xg-Gc; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:50:08 +1100 In-Reply-To: <47629CFC.20102@turtle.freedns.us> References: <47629CFC.20102@turtle.freedns.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <4C65020F-0924-4B02-860C-E8E9FCA059C3@FreeBSD.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Sam Lawrance Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:50:21 +1100 To: Igor Serikov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Hosting for a FreeBSD port X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:06:30 -0000 On 15/12/2007, at 2:10 AM, Igor Serikov wrote: > Hello porters, > > I would like to find a hosting for small port. I thought, I can I > place it to ftp.freebsd.org (the handbook mentions this > possibility), I tried contacting mirror-admin@ and got no reponse. > Hi Igor, When you submit the PR, just mention that you would like the committer to host it in their local-distfiles directory. They will upload it for you. Cheers Sam From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 22:19:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 412D516A418 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:19:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from galain.elvandar.org (galain.elvandar.org [217.148.169.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E86A013C4E8 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:19:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from evilcoder.xs4all.nl ([195.64.94.120] helo=elvandar.local) by galain.elvandar.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1J3Isk-000CcC-0C; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:19:46 +0100 Message-ID: <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:20:24 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:19:47 -0000 David Southwell wrote: > On Friday 14 December 2007 08:08:54 Paul Schmehl wrote: >> --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW >> >> wrote: >>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 >>> >>> "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >>>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and >>>> def with 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already >>>> set it for abc. >>> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >>> >>> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes lock-ups on >>> "def" >> SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what you are >> responding to and respond to him. But let me state this emphatically in >> the hopes it will get through his thick skull. > I do wish you could acquire the maturity to distinguish between the advantages > that could come arguing your case clearly and collegially and the > disadvantages that acrue from being personally antagonistic towards someone > with whose analysis you happen to disagree. > > For me when someone becomes abusive they destroy their own credibility and get > to sound as though they believe their opinions antitle them to be hateful and > that their own views are somehow godgiven. > > >> IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS >> TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. > > IMHO Shouting make you less rather than more credible. >> \Please repeat that one hundred times until it >> gets through. >> > Endless repetition does not add strength to analysis!! >> No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. Suggestions, yes >> (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by default.) Decisions, no. If you depend >> on another port *and* on certain knobs in that dependency being enabled, >> then *tell* the user that during your port's install and let them decide >> how to handle it. DO NOT enable those knobs yourself, no matter how >> tempting it may be. > > IMHO You would sound more credible if you used the IMHO a bit more!! You might > also gain some respect if you followed your own advice. Make suggestions for > others to consider - do not decide, in advance, they are thick skulled if > they do not agree with you!! >> It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user who is >> installing ports already has on their boxes or what they might want to add >> or ***what you might break***. Once you begin making decisions for them, >> you could well stomp all over something that was functioning perfectly >> normally and break a critical box. >> >> DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. > > IMHO Shouting, hectoring and lecturing does not add weight to anyones point > of view. > > These threads have gone far enough, please consider taking this off the FreeBSD mailinglists and discuss this privately. The majority does not like the current ideas and want to see something usefull first. People like Aryeh and David are not really persons that one would see as the persons generating the ports-infrastructure-ng till they have code. If you both keep pissing off people that have a fair share in the ports collection already, please do it by other means, dont crowd the mailinglists with it. Your ideas might be perfect in your world but they aint in ours (till you have shown working code). So please stfu till you have some code and be done with it . -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 22:29:00 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB97316A474 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:28:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082E813C458 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:28:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1606444pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:28:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ht1unrkrB9sZbjnee/JuKxgoqV50hcv/r6Iwq6FwFoM=; b=PfTATtlFhdNavO3j/lQjMgO2PVY2UEnoJuKHtkCSI169BWbYoAFg8h2K2gDMLDS0LYZIiNhtrnKf8NHsENNask6km/UdZqt4VhqAKkwlR5vFDkL0/8Ru2Rlwb70+8uZgrWv6fIAcO8puAVxm9hSIlnUITjkretrQSZoWuGNPZA0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=b3Vm3mcStXtPbChVuKdbgeIApuuD6R5F90N3S8VyNKvTAkusJahrFcMGVUP/1xVTzPOjt1KfRbWFvcyes3jhln05In8C+crx8WYUsc1Km4bvtyE3HUd3zPCgTmzLG0UXRq92aUzvFCj/rw2I4YqnXwDpaIxJ6T7iX/6TimIsZY0= Received: by 10.65.95.12 with SMTP id x12mr8282126qbl.54.1197671336078; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:28:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d2sm8389445qbc.2007.12.14.14.28.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:28:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:28:51 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Remko Lodder References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:29:00 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Remko Lodder wrote: > David Southwell wrote: >> On Friday 14 December 2007 08:08:54 Paul Schmehl wrote: >>> --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW >>> >>> wrote: >>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 >>>> >>>> "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >>>>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def with >>>>> 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we >>>>> already set it for abc. >>>> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >>>> >>>> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes >>>> lock-ups on "def" >>> SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what you >>> are responding to and respond to him. But let me state this >>> emphatically in the hopes it will get through his thick skull. >>> >> I do wish you could acquire the maturity to distinguish between >> the advantages that could come arguing your case clearly and >> collegially and the disadvantages that acrue from being >> personally antagonistic towards someone with whose analysis you >> happen to disagree. >> >> For me when someone becomes abusive they destroy their own >> credibility and get to sound as though they believe their >> opinions antitle them to be hateful and that their own views are >> somehow godgiven. >> >> >>> IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. >> IMHO Shouting make you less rather than more credible. >>> \Please repeat that one hundred times until it gets through. >>> >> Endless repetition does not add strength to analysis!! >>> No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. >>> Suggestions, yes (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by default.) >>> Decisions, no. If you depend on another port *and* on certain >>> knobs in that dependency being enabled, then *tell* the user >>> that during your port's install and let them decide how to >>> handle it. DO NOT enable those knobs yourself, no matter how >>> tempting it may be. >> IMHO You would sound more credible if you used the IMHO a bit >> more!! You might also gain some respect if you followed your own >> advice. Make suggestions for others to consider - do not decide, >> in advance, they are thick skulled if they do not agree with >> you!! >>> It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user who >>> is installing ports already has on their boxes or what they >>> might want to add or ***what you might break***. Once you >>> begin making decisions for them, you could well stomp all over >>> something that was functioning perfectly normally and break a >>> critical box. >>> >>> DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. >> IMHO Shouting, hectoring and lecturing does not add weight to >> anyones point of view. >> >> > > These threads have gone far enough, please consider taking this off > the FreeBSD mailinglists and discuss this privately. The majority > does not like the current ideas and want to see something usefull > first. People like Aryeh and David are not really persons that one > would see as the persons generating the ports-infrastructure-ng > till they have code. > > If you both keep pissing off people that have a fair share in the > ports collection already, please do it by other means, dont crowd > the mailinglists with it. Your ideas might be perfect in your world > but they aint in ours (till you have shown working code). > > So please stfu till you have some code and be done with it . Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or 2 threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* producing a system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to gather as much input as possible... why is it that everyone who sees the whole concept as being negative has offered no input what so ever about what should be done (even saying "the current system is fine" is useful to us) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYwOjzIOMjAek4JIRAs8qAJ9Xa0loqoVr3dlKIT5AcOt5m6YKXACdE8QG 4ZPSX/xHgiiLW72pUPNW/W0= =KW47 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 22:31:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B959816A417 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from galain.elvandar.org (galain.elvandar.org [217.148.169.56]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA6013C4D3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from remko@FreeBSD.org) Received: from evilcoder.xs4all.nl ([195.64.94.120] helo=elvandar.local) by galain.elvandar.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1J3J4M-000Cke-C6; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:31:46 +0100 Message-ID: <47630478.6060907@FreeBSD.org> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:32:24 +0100 From: Remko Lodder User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:31:47 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Remko Lodder wrote: >> David Southwell wrote: >>> On Friday 14 December 2007 08:08:54 Paul Schmehl wrote: >>>> --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 >>>>> >>>>> "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >>>>>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def with >>>>>> 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we >>>>>> already set it for abc. >>>>> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >>>>> >>>>> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes >>>>> lock-ups on "def" >>>> SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what you >>>> are responding to and respond to him. But let me state this >>>> emphatically in the hopes it will get through his thick skull. >>>> >>> I do wish you could acquire the maturity to distinguish between >>> the advantages that could come arguing your case clearly and >>> collegially and the disadvantages that acrue from being >>> personally antagonistic towards someone with whose analysis you >>> happen to disagree. >>> >>> For me when someone becomes abusive they destroy their own >>> credibility and get to sound as though they believe their >>> opinions antitle them to be hateful and that their own views are >>> somehow godgiven. >>> >>> >>>> IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. >>> IMHO Shouting make you less rather than more credible. >>>> \Please repeat that one hundred times until it gets through. >>>> >>> Endless repetition does not add strength to analysis!! >>>> No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. >>>> Suggestions, yes (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by default.) >>>> Decisions, no. If you depend on another port *and* on certain >>>> knobs in that dependency being enabled, then *tell* the user >>>> that during your port's install and let them decide how to >>>> handle it. DO NOT enable those knobs yourself, no matter how >>>> tempting it may be. >>> IMHO You would sound more credible if you used the IMHO a bit >>> more!! You might also gain some respect if you followed your own >>> advice. Make suggestions for others to consider - do not decide, >>> in advance, they are thick skulled if they do not agree with >>> you!! >>>> It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user who >>>> is installing ports already has on their boxes or what they >>>> might want to add or ***what you might break***. Once you >>>> begin making decisions for them, you could well stomp all over >>>> something that was functioning perfectly normally and break a >>>> critical box. >>>> >>>> DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. >>> IMHO Shouting, hectoring and lecturing does not add weight to >>> anyones point of view. >>> >>> >> These threads have gone far enough, please consider taking this off >> the FreeBSD mailinglists and discuss this privately. The majority >> does not like the current ideas and want to see something usefull >> first. People like Aryeh and David are not really persons that one >> would see as the persons generating the ports-infrastructure-ng >> till they have code. > >> If you both keep pissing off people that have a fair share in the >> ports collection already, please do it by other means, dont crowd >> the mailinglists with it. Your ideas might be perfect in your world >> but they aint in ours (till you have shown working code). > >> So please stfu till you have some code and be done with it . > > Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making > fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or 2 > threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* producing a > system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to gather as much > input as possible... why is it that everyone who sees the whole > concept as being negative has offered no input what so ever about what > should be done (even saying "the current system is fine" is useful to us) > simply because we have seen it failing a lot of times. Please take this offlist,discuss this and generate a nice PoC, then get back to us, till that time, DONT bother the ports list with it or any other list. You are the single reason for a HIGH S/N ration on MOST lists I am subscribed to that is a REALLY -BAD- thing. You Simply dont understand the way it works here and I can understand that till a certain point of view; take the advise; discuss it elsewhere, and get back with working code (yeah I repeat it twice because nobody seems to get through to you, and MANY people tried it already). -- /"\ Best regards, | remko@FreeBSD.org \ / Remko Lodder | remko@EFnet X http://www.evilcoder.org/ | / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 22:40:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D41F516A4A5 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7167013C4DD for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:40:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1614655pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:40:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+mOs5NBO+KpZtwR3aFKSIlRXytLLZbdo2aFHSaQyuc0=; b=Ja1AB7ybImL4mqrxdWy6zp/0Y89ElIzARdCoJy5tvWq2ijk3wWY7gSLkFFQdv92T0MlvgnK6QSWiRpHGk6ipVZxeckgF5pM23faodkG71U4CgHrewbUqQkNY0rhAhgDd1ED8BnfkgkQEIvfUBvRYNs8cOPdLkmAznSb8NZum12w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=eF6WM15ghfjodZZ5f++/07Z/rW0V/D4kQmeAco77DO0OapTOOdZ2A8AWxhUUInYV8Q/RzipS7iNLtCsqTawzNi+nm6XqdYuPSs8sLkhFBIpP8jQTgHjLucmtEMr7FP8a5JCysblQVyJYZAVlbXI6QiJevdSgRJ1PHJ0v3Qfbpw0= Received: by 10.65.236.13 with SMTP id n13mr8311055qbr.44.1197672001294; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:40:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e15sm2439173qbe.2007.12.14.14.39.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:39:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4763063E.7090800@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:39:58 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Remko Lodder References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <47630478.6060907@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <47630478.6060907@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:40:02 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Remko Lodder wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> Remko Lodder wrote: >>> David Southwell wrote: >>>> On Friday 14 December 2007 08:08:54 Paul Schmehl wrote: >>>>> --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 >>>>>> >>>>>> "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >>>>>>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def >>>>>>> with 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since >>>>>>> we already set it for abc. >>>>>> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >>>>>> >>>>>> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes >>>>>> lock-ups on "def" >>>>> SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what >>>>> you are responding to and respond to him. But let me state >>>>> this emphatically in the hopes it will get through his >>>>> thick skull. >>>>> >>>> I do wish you could acquire the maturity to distinguish >>>> between the advantages that could come arguing your case >>>> clearly and collegially and the disadvantages that acrue from >>>> being personally antagonistic towards someone with whose >>>> analysis you happen to disagree. >>>> >>>> For me when someone becomes abusive they destroy their own >>>> credibility and get to sound as though they believe their >>>> opinions antitle them to be hateful and that their own views >>>> are somehow godgiven. >>>> >>>> >>>>> IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. >>>> IMHO Shouting make you less rather than more credible. >>>>> \Please repeat that one hundred times until it gets >>>>> through. >>>>> >>>> Endless repetition does not add strength to analysis!! >>>>> No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. >>>>> Suggestions, yes (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by >>>>> default.) Decisions, no. If you depend on another port >>>>> *and* on certain knobs in that dependency being enabled, >>>>> then *tell* the user that during your port's install and >>>>> let them decide how to handle it. DO NOT enable those >>>>> knobs yourself, no matter how tempting it may be. >>>> IMHO You would sound more credible if you used the IMHO a bit >>>> more!! You might also gain some respect if you followed your >>>> own advice. Make suggestions for others to consider - do not >>>> decide, in advance, they are thick skulled if they do not >>>> agree with you!! >>>>> It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user >>>>> who is installing ports already has on their boxes or what >>>>> they might want to add or ***what you might break***. Once >>>>> you begin making decisions for them, you could well stomp >>>>> all over something that was functioning perfectly normally >>>>> and break a critical box. >>>>> >>>>> DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. >>>> IMHO Shouting, hectoring and lecturing does not add weight to >>>> anyones point of view. >>>> >>>> >>> These threads have gone far enough, please consider taking this >>> off the FreeBSD mailinglists and discuss this privately. The >>> majority does not like the current ideas and want to see >>> something usefull first. People like Aryeh and David are not >>> really persons that one would see as the persons generating the >>> ports-infrastructure-ng till they have code. If you both keep >>> pissing off people that have a fair share in the ports >>> collection already, please do it by other means, dont crowd the >>> mailinglists with it. Your ideas might be perfect in your world >>> but they aint in ours (till you have shown working code). So >>> please stfu till you have some code and be done with it . >> Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making >> fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or >> 2 threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* >> producing a system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to >> gather as much input as possible... why is it that everyone who >> sees the whole concept as being negative has offered no input >> what so ever about what should be done (even saying "the current >> system is fine" is useful to us) >> > > simply because we have seen it failing a lot of times. Please take > this offlist,discuss this and generate a nice PoC, then get back to > us, till that time, DONT bother the ports list with it or any other > list. You are the single reason for a HIGH S/N ration on MOST lists > I am subscribed to that is a REALLY -BAD- thing. Perhaps one reason it has failed is because there was not a wide enough front end effort to decide what was really needed vs. what some individual thought was needed... as to the s/n thing there would be lot less if you actually debated on the technical merits of the proposal and not the meta discussion of does something belong here or list b or where ever... unless you think community input is completely pointless I invite you to suggest an other medium that allows for it without making is semi-obscure and hard to find. > > You Simply dont understand the way it works here and I can > understand that till a certain point of view; take the advise; > discuss it elsewhere, and get back with working code (yeah I repeat > it twice because nobody seems to get through to you, and MANY > people tried it already). Oh I hear the message loud and clear and just happen to not agree with the thinking behind it. Namely ivory tower development has its place but not here. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYwY+zIOMjAek4JIRAj/NAJ0aTnHnDejwXlujkc8AITtGqGxgywCgmoeh FcWtuCJqPmepfIUCgA87+lM= =S9wo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 23:09:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07E7316A420 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:09:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892B213C459 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:09:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from me@janh.de) Received: from janh.freebsd (d187048.adsl.hansenet.de [80.171.187.48]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1J3JSE1tjs-0002Il; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:56:26 +0100 Message-ID: <47630A20.60807@janh.de> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:56:32 +0100 From: Jan Henrik Sylvester User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071208) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports-list freebsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1983+EnJvYaXM9+PFIM65tx1ocGp8nID8H7D55 7iQTuc1A/fKnL6aKiXvF4nIQZs6ToqN7coRgYz5GhBkvibakwh 8NlmDtmUxWX9Z46//oSqg== Subject: misc/compat5x package installs with weird messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:09:10 -0000 Installing the 7.0-RELEASE package of graphics/xnview, I got some weird messages that seem to come from the misc/compat5x dependency: rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libc.so.5: Operation not permitted rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libc_r.so.5: Operation not permitted rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libcrypt.so.2: Operation not permitted rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libpthread.so.1: Operation not permitted rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libthr.so.1: Operation not permitted rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat: Directory not empty rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib: Directory not empty rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl: Directory not empty pkg_add: couldn't remove temporary dir '/var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl' What has happened? Regards, Jan Henrik From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 23:39:08 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24EF16A417; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout5.cac.washington.edu (mxout5.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.135]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CF713C447; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.141] (may be forged)) by mxout5.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBENd74E002873 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:39:07 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from dzihan.cs.washington.edu (dzihan.cs.washington.edu [128.208.4.96]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBENd5ec021825 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:39:07 -0800 Message-ID: <47631419.6010205@u.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:39:05 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071003) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <47630478.6060907@FreeBSD.org> <4763063E.7090800@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4763063E.7090800@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.14.151705 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_MEDIA_2_BODY 0, __CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __LINES_OF_YELLING 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Cc: Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:08 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Remko Lodder wrote: > >> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> >>> Remko Lodder wrote: >>> >>>> David Southwell wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Friday 14 December 2007 08:08:54 Paul Schmehl wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and def >>>>>>>> with 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since >>>>>>>> we already set it for abc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes >>>>>>> lock-ups on "def" >>>>>>> >>>>>> SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what >>>>>> you are responding to and respond to him. But let me state >>>>>> this emphatically in the hopes it will get through his >>>>>> thick skull. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I do wish you could acquire the maturity to distinguish >>>>> between the advantages that could come arguing your case >>>>> clearly and collegially and the disadvantages that acrue from >>>>> being personally antagonistic towards someone with whose >>>>> analysis you happen to disagree. >>>>> >>>>> For me when someone becomes abusive they destroy their own >>>>> credibility and get to sound as though they believe their >>>>> opinions antitle them to be hateful and that their own views >>>>> are somehow godgiven. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. >>>>>> >>>>> IMHO Shouting make you less rather than more credible. >>>>> >>>>>> \Please repeat that one hundred times until it gets >>>>>> through. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Endless repetition does not add strength to analysis!! >>>>> >>>>>> No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. >>>>>> Suggestions, yes (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by >>>>>> default.) Decisions, no. If you depend on another port >>>>>> *and* on certain knobs in that dependency being enabled, >>>>>> then *tell* the user that during your port's install and >>>>>> let them decide how to handle it. DO NOT enable those >>>>>> knobs yourself, no matter how tempting it may be. >>>>>> >>>>> IMHO You would sound more credible if you used the IMHO a bit >>>>> more!! You might also gain some respect if you followed your >>>>> own advice. Make suggestions for others to consider - do not >>>>> decide, in advance, they are thick skulled if they do not >>>>> agree with you!! >>>>> >>>>>> It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user >>>>>> who is installing ports already has on their boxes or what >>>>>> they might want to add or ***what you might break***. Once >>>>>> you begin making decisions for them, you could well stomp >>>>>> all over something that was functioning perfectly normally >>>>>> and break a critical box. >>>>>> >>>>>> DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. >>>>>> >>>>> IMHO Shouting, hectoring and lecturing does not add weight to >>>>> anyones point of view. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> These threads have gone far enough, please consider taking this >>>> off the FreeBSD mailinglists and discuss this privately. The >>>> majority does not like the current ideas and want to see >>>> something usefull first. People like Aryeh and David are not >>>> really persons that one would see as the persons generating the >>>> ports-infrastructure-ng till they have code. If you both keep >>>> pissing off people that have a fair share in the ports >>>> collection already, please do it by other means, dont crowd the >>>> mailinglists with it. Your ideas might be perfect in your world >>>> but they aint in ours (till you have shown working code). So >>>> please stfu till you have some code and be done with it . >>>> >>> Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making >>> fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or >>> 2 threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* >>> producing a system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to >>> gather as much input as possible... why is it that everyone who >>> sees the whole concept as being negative has offered no input >>> what so ever about what should be done (even saying "the current >>> system is fine" is useful to us) >>> >>> >> simply because we have seen it failing a lot of times. Please take >> this offlist,discuss this and generate a nice PoC, then get back to >> us, till that time, DONT bother the ports list with it or any other >> list. You are the single reason for a HIGH S/N ration on MOST lists >> I am subscribed to that is a REALLY -BAD- thing. >> > > Perhaps one reason it has failed is because there was not a wide > enough front end effort to decide what was really needed vs. what some > individual thought was needed... as to the s/n thing there would be > lot less if you actually debated on the technical merits of the > proposal and not the meta discussion of does something belong here or > list b or where ever... unless you think community input is completely > pointless I invite you to suggest an other medium that allows for it > without making is semi-obscure and hard to find. > > >> You Simply dont understand the way it works here and I can >> understand that till a certain point of view; take the advise; >> discuss it elsewhere, and get back with working code (yeah I repeat >> it twice because nobody seems to get through to you, and MANY >> people tried it already). >> > Oh I hear the message loud and clear and just happen to not agree with > the thinking behind it. Namely ivory tower development has its place > but not here. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFHYwY+zIOMjAek4JIRAj/NAJ0aTnHnDejwXlujkc8AITtGqGxgywCgmoeh > FcWtuCJqPmepfIUCgA87+lM= > =S9wo > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Relating what happened with my work project to this type of an idea, definitely proposing something is good in the beginning, and obtaining a quick idea of what needs to be done is a good thing. But I think that overall what should be done is more like a iterative step such as this: 1. Make plan. 2. Ask limited group for sanity check. 3. Code, code code. Go back to 2. if necessary. Continue to 4. when "done". 4. Ask larger group for sanity check and testing. Go back to 3. if necessary. Continue to 5. when "done". 5. Release. We're still at 1., and while I think that the problem to 1. can be established and thought out via email, perhaps the stakeholders need to brainstorm and research more about 1. on the lists, as this topic has been brought up a few times already (see the ports@ and hackers@ archives in particular). Cheers, -Garrett From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 23:39:53 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8448816A46C for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from mxout7.cac.washington.edu (mxout7.cac.washington.edu [140.142.32.178]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3FA13C467 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youshi10@u.washington.edu) Received: from smtp.washington.edu (smtp.washington.edu [140.142.32.141] (may be forged)) by mxout7.cac.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBENdqe2010148 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:39:52 -0800 X-Auth-Received: from dzihan.cs.washington.edu (dzihan.cs.washington.edu [128.208.4.96]) (authenticated authid=youshi10) by smtp.washington.edu (8.13.7+UW06.06/8.13.7+UW07.09) with ESMTP id lBENdpvF021959 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:39:52 -0800 Message-ID: <47631447.9090009@u.washington.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:39:51 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071003) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Henrik Sylvester References: <47630A20.60807@janh.de> In-Reply-To: <47630A20.60807@janh.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMX-Version: 5.3.3.310218, Antispam-Engine: 2.5.2.313940, Antispam-Data: 2007.12.14.152133 X-Uwash-Spam: Gauge=IIIIIII, Probability=7%, Report='__CP_URI_IN_BODY 0, __CT 0, __CTE 0, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN 0, __HAS_MSGID 0, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY 0, __MIME_VERSION 0, __SANE_MSGID 0, __USER_AGENT 0' Cc: ports-list freebsd Subject: Re: misc/compat5x package installs with weird messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:39:53 -0000 Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > Installing the 7.0-RELEASE package of graphics/xnview, I got some > weird messages that seem to come from the misc/compat5x dependency: > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libc.so.5: Operation not permitted > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libc_r.so.5: Operation not > permitted > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libcrypt.so.2: Operation not > permitted > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libpthread.so.1: Operation not > permitted > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libthr.so.1: Operation not > permitted > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat: Directory not empty > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib: Directory not empty > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl: Directory not empty > pkg_add: couldn't remove temporary dir '/var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl' > > What has happened? > > Regards, > Jan Henrik > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Files are still in use. Are you exec'ing a program that needs lib/compat5x? -Garrett From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 14 23:51:30 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B384D16A419 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:51:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from raven.customer.vol.cz (raven.customer.vol.cz [195.250.144.108]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A5813C459 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:51:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [192.168.0.23] (rb5dg130.net.upc.cz [89.176.238.130]) (authenticated bits=0) by raven.customer.vol.cz (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBENpHBT087717 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:51:19 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pav@FreeBSD.org) From: Pav Lucistnik To: Garrett Cooper In-Reply-To: <47631447.9090009@u.washington.edu> References: <47630A20.60807@janh.de> <47631447.9090009@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-vRuYsro9HeZA+vnMZ1gm" Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:51:16 +0100 Message-Id: <1197676276.1838.23.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.2 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-Spam-Score: -3.699 () AWL,BAYES_00 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 195.250.144.108 X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: raven.customer.vol.cz; Sender-ip: 89.176.238.130; Sender-helo: [192.168.0.23]; ) Cc: Jan Henrik Sylvester , ports-list freebsd Subject: Re: misc/compat5x package installs with weird messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: pav@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:51:30 -0000 --=-vRuYsro9HeZA+vnMZ1gm Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Garrett Cooper p=ED=B9e v p=E1 14. 12. 2007 v 15:39 -0800: > Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: > > Installing the 7.0-RELEASE package of graphics/xnview, I got some=20 > > weird messages that seem to come from the misc/compat5x dependency: > > > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libc.so.5: Operation not permitte= d > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libc_r.so.5: Operation not=20 > > permitted > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libcrypt.so.2: Operation not=20 > > permitted > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libpthread.so.1: Operation not=20 > > permitted > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libthr.so.1: Operation not=20 > > permitted > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat: Directory not empty > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib: Directory not empty > > rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl: Directory not empty > > pkg_add: couldn't remove temporary dir '/var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl' > > > > What has happened? > Files are still in use. Are you exec'ing a program that needs lib/compat5= x? There is nothing like "executable in use is undeletable" phenomenon that's observed on Microsoft Windows. My bets are on noschg flag. --=20 Pav Lucistnik Angband in action! Constant escalation to new depths to find angrier, meaner letters and more punctuation! --=-vRuYsro9HeZA+vnMZ1gm Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?UTF-8?Q?digit=C3=A1ln=C4=9B?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?UTF-8?Q?_=C4=8D=C3=A1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBHYxb0ntdYP8FOsoIRAlDdAJ42aWFN/rHBpLjnJHK5fsYVFe1jyQCgzKxU CKIAE2LabLoL0FUgPoAneck= =gIrs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-vRuYsro9HeZA+vnMZ1gm-- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:12:04 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8257616A418 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2534813C45A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:12:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1684583pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:12:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=95ZJEj2Od5jZ0BmQSh6xK60dYa/HLLrXc+vDN/cXiQo=; b=GZEaenlMdO+sb2YGW+1XmppWUkyy64odhKDAzu0TZKKi8hEt7OxWXvoskNYqj/MfDN7bl7bQPWqlO8tWU2DkBymUcl1vu2xGIc9dMZuuuT1Cd+EVELB8JGN53vAiMyvVI9MoQMfg8Mr8tZGyzUqVVeYHTsdLv082hBUEGtZoxJA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kkXcbK1lSUe6XbyKFdL4IDG/nkwWUNSx4h++QL5QwsCmKRCjvluGdwW7dJ/Awn6FrjsjrPwSyvOELdPuUeGR0K+kylppEu761kggm4It+uOZ+EVuRIfhm6ZDhSh3kntVLT+udhv7a+xznqgau6Ds3cgjwJ+fUjznzofGAW/e/5M= Received: by 10.65.233.16 with SMTP id k16mr8472371qbr.43.1197677522972; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:12:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm2991487qba.2007.12.14.16.12.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:12:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47631BD0.6050302@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:12:00 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> In-Reply-To: <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:12:04 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Skip Ford wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making >> fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or >> 2 threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* >> producing a system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to >> gather as much input as possible... > > And that's fine if that's how you prefer to work, but everyone's > point is that it has nothing to do with the current ports system at > all so the talk doesn't belong on a mailing list dedicated to the > current ports system. It's just noise here. Research for a new > system from ports@ users belongs on a list dedicated to the new > system. First of all not everyone has said a number of people (not including me) have said it is the proper place.... one thing is clear though there really is no proper mailing lists and wiki's have some problems covered below > >> why is it that everyone who sees the whole concept as being >> negative has offered no input what so ever about what should be >> done (even saying "the current system is fine" is useful to us) > > You've been told over and over what should be done. You need a > ports-ng wiki (or whatever you want to call your new system) and/or > your own mailing list. Posting a single message occasionally on > ports@ to point others to a new system in the works is perfectly > fine, but using a mailing list dedicated to one system to develop > another competing system isn't. If you need research from ports@ > readers, you post a message pointing them elsewhere, you don't do > it in a way that floods this list with 100+ messages. The simpler case is the seperate mailing list.... once there is a good idea of what is needed then moving to such a forum makes a great amount of sense and the 3 volunteers (including me) that have made firm commitments to work on the project do just this... but in the early design phases (deciding if the project is needed, the scope and gathering top level requirments/features) public input is critical and taking stuff out of a well established forum reduces the amount of useful input... btw we are basically somewhere between scope and top level requirement gathering (the internal mailing list is attempting to settle on a final scope statement so we can move to the final truly public phase which is systematic gathering of requirements) The wiki poses some issues due to the medium of wiki's vs. the medium of mail... the first of these issues is wiki's are terrible for discusssions and a very lively on topic discussion is the best way to iron out the 3 public phases... what wiki's are very good at is recording decisions and we defently plan to use a wiki for this... but besides for "the project should be done" not enough decisions have been made to justify a record of them currently, as soon as the scope is decided internally we will produce some docs that will justify a wiki (and since they are still in the public phases I will post them here for discussion purposes)... as soon the second set of docs (top level requirements) is produced all the work will occur privately except for one final post that details the conceptual model for public comment > > You've been given lots of sound advice on how to proceed and you've > listened to none of it. You haven't heard what anyone has said > thus far. Just start a wiki already like you've been told to do by > those who already know exactly what they're doing, and aren't still > trying to figure out how to figure out what it is they might want > to do someday. On techinical issues I have heard almost all of it and have substantially revised my mental conceptual model based on it. But as far as what should be public and what should be private good software engineering not only says the minority is wrong but I am using what is considered the industry standard method (as much as possible when it is not f2f). If the industry standard doesn't agree with FreeBSD's method then it does make sense to check if the FreeBSD model can not be improved in light of newer data. In sort the main metadebate is on cultural differences and that is sad because culture should have nothing to do with the tech aspects. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYxvQzIOMjAek4JIRAsRSAJ9YBTglveSohfNWAaKdvG3JrKUq7gCfUI3H v65HbjHbwZs+JryHeOqXOr4= =353C -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:15:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B382A16A417 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:15:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.181]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 573D713C457 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:15:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1686828pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:15:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yc5O5r5wBav+8XBYUCiPrimi8fQVhK76796TTq3Sevo=; b=lmDssjieQwUiSX+h0CA4rfPDifoGYiH6Jyb4gwMTd+S/0u1ESDc7NwnBVCVHRAe8ClJkbDvEwvD6uK4jVFI2+kqYObHdYhOPvJR/imFb+Y/5JK0Guo4ROhgWLADEfGMG6LYrUrAJp3JhC1BeSJ8LwSozv3UYAc2u+xahuy6IUak= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ANILlLYAU1qxiJZO99HrzQ2XlG2w3fPkkT/D7RwDCjS5zKWeFdh+smO44GWpUySUQ/U1uK/CdWZcarSP6C0gG7otT3eLrZwt6cHT3P5qkszePSri2Vla4QI6NGL3rdR7uRmZiKDfenm5JHlfC0B0eJ/9yuzH6F1t8/hKqYJrXOY= Received: by 10.65.52.1 with SMTP id e1mr8413518qbk.79.1197677708369; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:15:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e10sm1733702qbe.2007.12.14.16.15.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:15:07 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47631C8A.5000205@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:15:06 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Cooper References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <47630478.6060907@FreeBSD.org> <4763063E.7090800@gmail.com> <47631419.6010205@u.washington.edu> In-Reply-To: <47631419.6010205@u.washington.edu> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:15:10 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > 1. Make plan. 2. Ask limited group for sanity check. 3. Code, code > code. Go back to 2. if necessary. Continue to 4. when "done". 4. > Ask larger group for sanity check and testing. Go back to 3. if > necessary. Continue to 5. when "done". 5. Release. > We're still at 1., and while I think that the problem to 1. can be > established and thought out via email, perhaps the stakeholders > need to brainstorm and research more about 1. on the lists, as this > topic has been brought up a few times already (see the ports@ and > hackers@ archives in particular). We (at least I) have done a good amount of background research but several key issues where not answered thus my public questions. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYxyKzIOMjAek4JIRAohzAJ93pnk01isO8YJ4wvXowkvG56DkdwCgmdgS gsx4EyT8gJka/10p1Zdjtlc= =rUS6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:27:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5178A16A419 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skip@menantico.com) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF7913C465 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from skip@menantico.com) Received: from mx.menantico.com ([71.188.11.206]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JT200EH9BDT9PD5@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:17:54 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:27:06 -0500 From: Skip Ford In-reply-to: <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" Mail-followup-to: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-id: <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-disposition: inline References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:27:38 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making > fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or 2 > threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* producing a > system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to gather as much > input as possible... And that's fine if that's how you prefer to work, but everyone's point is that it has nothing to do with the current ports system at all so the talk doesn't belong on a mailing list dedicated to the current ports system. It's just noise here. Research for a new system from ports@ users belongs on a list dedicated to the new system. > why is it that everyone who sees the whole > concept as being negative has offered no input what so ever about what > should be done (even saying "the current system is fine" is useful to us) You've been told over and over what should be done. You need a ports-ng wiki (or whatever you want to call your new system) and/or your own mailing list. Posting a single message occasionally on ports@ to point others to a new system in the works is perfectly fine, but using a mailing list dedicated to one system to develop another competing system isn't. If you need research from ports@ readers, you post a message pointing them elsewhere, you don't do it in a way that floods this list with 100+ messages. You've been given lots of sound advice on how to proceed and you've listened to none of it. You haven't heard what anyone has said thus far. Just start a wiki already like you've been told to do by those who already know exactly what they're doing, and aren't still trying to figure out how to figure out what it is they might want to do someday. -- Skip From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:28:18 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7233A16A41A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B52613C448 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:28:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF0S2ta024415; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:28:02 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <47631FA0.4030008@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:28:16 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071213 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <47630478.6060907@FreeBSD.org> <4763063E.7090800@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4763063E.7090800@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:28:18 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Remko Lodder wrote: >> You Simply dont understand the way it works here and I can >> understand that till a certain point of view; take the advise; >> discuss it elsewhere, and get back with working code (yeah I repeat >> it twice because nobody seems to get through to you, and MANY >> people tried it already). > Oh I hear the message loud and clear and just happen to not agree with > the thinking behind it. Namely ivory tower development has its place > but not here. This is my thinking. I think what Aryeh is doing here is fine. But perhaps Aryeh and David need to stop rising to the bait when someone tells them they are wrong. I understand them replying up until now, because I can see that silence might be interpreted as their acquiescence. But I think to reply to naysayers now will only add much more noise. Both sides have made their points loud and clear, and the points don't need repetition. Remko: this thread has generated interesting discussions, clearly relevant to ports. If you don't like the discussions, simply press the delete key or don't reply. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:32:24 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5ACEF16A41B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:32:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1524713C4D9; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:32:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF0W7V4024432; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:32:08 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <47632096.8080008@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:32:22 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071213 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pav@freebsd.org References: <47630A20.60807@janh.de> <47631447.9090009@u.washington.edu> <1197676276.1838.23.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> In-Reply-To: <1197676276.1838.23.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Jan Henrik Sylvester , Garrett Cooper , ports-list freebsd Subject: Re: misc/compat5x package installs with weird messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:32:24 -0000 Pav Lucistnik wrote: > Garrett Cooper pí¹e v pá 14. 12. 2007 v 15:39 -0800: >> Jan Henrik Sylvester wrote: >>> Installing the 7.0-RELEASE package of graphics/xnview, I got some >>> weird messages that seem to come from the misc/compat5x dependency: >>> >>> rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libc.so.5: Operation not permitted >>> rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libc_r.so.5: Operation not >>> permitted >>> rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libcrypt.so.2: Operation not >>> permitted >>> rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libpthread.so.1: Operation not >>> permitted >>> rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat/libthr.so.1: Operation not >>> permitted >>> rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib/compat: Directory not empty >>> rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl/lib: Directory not empty >>> rm: /var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl: Directory not empty >>> pkg_add: couldn't remove temporary dir '/var/tmp/instmp.qdjoSl' >>> >>> What has happened? > >> Files are still in use. Are you exec'ing a program that needs lib/compat5x? > > There is nothing like "executable in use is undeletable" phenomenon > that's observed on Microsoft Windows. > > My bets are on noschg flag. Pav, you are exactly right. I have experienced this many times myself. After installing the compat5x package you need to do "chflags -R noschg /var/tmp/inst* && rm -rf /var/tmp/inst*" or something like that. I think it is a bug in pkg_install, that it doesn't check for the schg flag being set in its temporary file area. Or maybe it should set the flags in the first place. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:40:50 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F8316A417 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:40:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@grohnwaldt.eu) Received: from server02.lando.cc (server02-01.lando.cc [87.106.141.202]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8025B13C45A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:40:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from uwe@grohnwaldt.eu) Received: (qmail 26244 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2007 01:14:07 +0100 Received: from vpn017029.uni-rostock.de (HELO BriaTharen.skywalkers.local) (139.30.17.29) by server02-01.lando.cc with (DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 15 Dec 2007 01:14:07 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:13:18 +0100 From: Uwe Grohnwaldt To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071215011318.27797fa5@BriaTharen.skywalkers.local> In-Reply-To: <20071214091007.GA13446@lpthe.jussieu.fr> References: <20071214091007.GA13446@lpthe.jussieu.fr> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.0.2 (GTK+ 2.12.3; amd64-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:40:50 -0000 Am Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:10:07 +0100 schrieb Michel Talon : > Albert Shih wrote: > > > I'm just want known if there are any plan to replace teTeX ports > > (the project as stop) by TeXLive ? > > > > I've send long time ago a mail to teTeX maintainer and I don't have > > any answer. > > > > I known that's nothing urgent, but without tex the live is hard ;-) > > Well, TeX itself is frozen since many years, so the differences > between TeTeX and TeXLive are of the order of the infinitesimal. It > is not like you could not do "happy texing" using TeTeX. Of course > the migration to TeXLive will have to occur but i understand that it > is not an ultra hot priority. Personnally i would be happier with a > distribution much lighter than TeTeX, i think the only progress of > any interest in all that stuff is pdftex. If only i could put Latex2e > in the trash can ... > > Hi, I think there are some changes which are very interresting. One of this is unicode support through the xetex import to texlive. So the change to texlive will be important to some people. Chers, -- Uwe Grohnwaldt Max-Planck-Str 2A, 1.03.2 18059 Rostock Telefon: 0381 - 1 22 48 11 * Mobil : 0172 - 3 20 92 85 * Fax : 01212 - 5 - 131 - 79 - 310 * E-Mail : Uwe@Grohnwaldt.de ICQ : 149348486 * Skype : lando_calr * nur nach vorheriger Vereinbarung From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:42:28 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EB6716A418 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:42:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from smtp3.clear.net.nz (smtp3.clear.net.nz [203.97.33.64]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E96E513C458 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:42:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markir@paradise.net.nz) Received: from zmori.markir.net (121-72-71-54.dsl.telstraclear.net [121.72.71.54]) by smtp3.clear.net.nz (CLEAR Net Mail) with ESMTP id <0JT200LY3FAPEM10@smtp3.clear.net.nz>; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:42:26 +1300 (NZDT) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:42:11 +1300 From: Mark Kirkwood In-reply-to: <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-id: <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071203) Cc: Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:42:28 -0000 Skip Ford wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > >> Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are making >> fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an other 1 or 2 >> threads being needed before actual coding starts, *BUT* producing a >> system no one wants is pointless thus it is wise to gather as much >> input as possible... >> > > And that's fine if that's how you prefer to work, but everyone's point is > that it has nothing to do with the current ports system at all so the talk > doesn't belong on a mailing list dedicated to the current ports system. > It's just noise here. Research for a new system from ports@ users belongs > on a list dedicated to the new system. > > That is a little unfair IMHO - Aryeh has to gather information from those who use the current system, and @ports is clearly the place for that! Now he may listen to all, some or none of the points of view he receives... and that may well determine the success or otherwise of his ports-ng process - but I don't think he is doing anything wrong. I agree that a new list (ports-ng or similar) for this would be a good thing to start *soon*, so that those folks (probably from *this* list) who are interested can see what is happening and maybe help if they like! Cheers Mark From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:45:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CABD516A418 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DB4113C442 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:45:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1710097pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:45:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4KLr6aLkWz4L2kp07zIcU6SLVSfK4bSMjoNcBQvj92E=; b=fOIZkBCPAkTGSBharOl54BgAa0nbSf9ipeXrf/+xbQtLAs5RdtrRX/qqONUziDR0r2EbMPFQLVjUPh1U+Upbr3t10z1UmtrTJibAh01zcbjnQMMVf6yKbtGiK14Wf7eD8TnJB9shwm50VEQQItRYVXthsIgddnOu1ZqA2k8X7qE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VVkFFNZSFPAz3NuKuL+zapHoXqyNYKXx4+J4o8Tm+iaVabUzKpJblravuoxbeCTZsvD9AIt4Akpqjp1PpkvR4yODLKkF1S3XHPHNTUkgv5phjVokGnY6LQRyPdyyqHzlqfvHyiSDtfZ/RxbgrDXqCg7lH7JsLuwbmJD1NPPQyO0= Received: by 10.64.148.8 with SMTP id v8mr8494559qbd.91.1197679553183; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:45:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q14sm2961071qbq.2007.12.14.16.45.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:45:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476323BE.5090601@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:45:50 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kirkwood References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Remko Lodder , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:45:55 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Skip Ford wrote: >> Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: >> >>> Developing in a vacuum is a recipe for disaster.... we are >>> making fairly good progress believe it or not I only see an >>> other 1 or 2 threads being needed before actual coding starts, >>> *BUT* producing a system no one wants is pointless thus it is >>> wise to gather as much input as possible... >>> >> >> And that's fine if that's how you prefer to work, but everyone's >> point is that it has nothing to do with the current ports system >> at all so the talk doesn't belong on a mailing list dedicated to >> the current ports system. It's just noise here. Research for a >> new system from ports@ users belongs on a list dedicated to the >> new system. >> >> > > That is a little unfair IMHO - Aryeh has to gather information from > those who use the current system, and @ports is clearly the place > for that! Now he may listen to all, some or none of the points of > view he receives... and that may well determine the success or > otherwise of his ports-ng process - but I don't think he is doing > anything wrong. > > I agree that a new list (ports-ng or similar) for this would be a > good thing to start *soon*, so that those folks (probably from > *this* list) who are interested can see what is happening and maybe > help if they like! There is already an informal private one but until scope and some top level features are decided the vast majority of discussion will be on - -ports@ and as soon they are very little should be. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHYyO+zIOMjAek4JIRAv4HAJ9pdPTWAYuEYsrfy4yNDL5+ZW3FeACeLfco JWBitNl/q0ntsb9bQhOm5L8= =Z2I6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 00:51:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54FD16A419 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: from smtp110.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com (smtp110.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com [69.147.102.73]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A30213C44B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:51:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter.thoenen@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 45984 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2007 00:39:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uhQ6fUEbfmd6yBD4F2IHrdjEy8JNdzn6i9BTirOS9jH1DJJyXu8RKsNkhZwZu5t4ESDpx3tl7Xd9CiSUl5JgDiLmE5vAc4cF7tRiYSSLfIuEDx8ZSLa/sX+yiGUAGKHqdj5VkqUGs5jtFxFDI6QCwUMbXn7PF/6rm9bqjChsB88= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ssfbsd.securestate.org) (eol1@70.227.5.28 with plain) by smtp110.plus.mail.re1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Dec 2007 00:39:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BsBmidMVM1kz.UWmgvnVOXE5bAopZ1YPUxP.MOrorG7FOWb.KBRCnFUcVsVwG4BXzPlCRMNpLA-- Message-ID: <4763225B.7090309@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:39:55 -0500 From: Peter Thoenen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071210) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ports@freebsd.org References: <47277849.8000708@yahoo.com> <20071102215959.GB77056@misty.eyesbeyond.com> <472F3CE9.6070705@yahoo.com> <472F48C5.7030803@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <472F48C5.7030803@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Diablo on 7.0-BETA X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:51:09 -0000 Just an update .... got jdk16 working on 7.0-BETA4 by building it from scratch .... never had any luck though using the binary diablo build's for 6.2 on 7.0-BETA4 even w compat6x. Prob a compat issue but I happy with 1.6 ... now only if it wasn't so slow :( From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 01:06:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9631B16A41B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karel@lovetemple.net) Received: from imgr.siol.net (imgr.siol.net [193.189.160.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9923913C448; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:06:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from karel@lovetemple.net) Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20071214233011.LZHP14268.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net>; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:30:11 +0100 Received: from tp.unitedpeople.net ([86.61.107.59]) by edge2.siol.net with ESMTP id <20071214233009.HPEY26615.edge2.siol.net@tp.unitedpeople.net>; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <476311F8.5050205@lovetemple.net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:30:00 +0100 From: Karel Miklav User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071124) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mikhail Teterin References: <20071213024946.GA4959@soaustin.net> <200712130923.24488@aldan> <20071213143306.GA27297@soaustin.net> <200712131030.44931@aldan> In-Reply-To: <200712131030.44931@aldan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org, Peter Jeremy , Bill Moran Subject: Re: Ion3 removal X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:06:03 -0000 Mikhail Teterin wrote: > Bill Moran wrote: > = > should've been addressed by using FORBIDDEN/IGNORE instead. > > = Perhaps you're right. However, I'd like to hear the opinion of a lawyer > = as to whether this is acceptable or not. What happened is bad for porters and other users. It would be nice if there is at least an official stance or consensus regarding this issue. A port is a work separate from the software being ported, mostly not done by the authors of the software themselves, so do we want to allow unrelated software authors mess our system at all? We are thankful but there should also be some protection for our work. A port is also an unpaid advertisement with a hook. If software authors see it as such is not a legal matter, it is a matter of conduct. Cases like this illustrate that maybe it shouldn't be. I propose we at least clear the matters with authors of software with funny licenses before the port is approved. I'd also like to add that relying on a lawyer's opinion may not be such a good idea, because lawyers have to prove themselves too and that could be a lottery. We better focus on community, build consensus and try to outsmart casual pranksters with trivial legal tactics. From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 01:14:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A928816A41B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:14:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from mesiob.obspm.fr (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E69E13C45D for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from localhost (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by mesiob.obspm.fr (8.13.4/8.13.4/SIO Observatoire de Paris) with ESMTP id lBF1Esd9007856; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:14:54 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:14:54 +0100 From: Albert Shih To: Uwe Grohnwaldt Message-ID: <20071215011454.GA86408@pcjas.obspm.fr> References: <20071214091007.GA13446@lpthe.jussieu.fr> <20071215011318.27797fa5@BriaTharen.skywalkers.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20071215011318.27797fa5@BriaTharen.skywalkers.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (mesiob.obspm.fr [145.238.2.2]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:14:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.91.2, clamav-milter version 0.91.2 on mesiob.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Albert.Shih@obspm.fr List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:14:56 -0000 Le 15/12/2007 à 01:13:18+0100, Uwe Grohnwaldt a écrit > > I think there are some changes which are very interresting. One of this > is unicode support through the xetex import to texlive. It's one reason I send the mail. Actually I already use ISO8859 because....it's the default on FreeBSD. But many linux use UTF-8 by default. Maybe some day FreeBSD too. And on this day It's very good to have texlive. Unfortunaly I'm not TeX Guru and not developper at all. I can help.... I just want to say it's not urgent to have texlive in FreeBSD, but it's good idea. The OpenBSD texlive is release (http://students.dec.bmth.ac.uk/ebarrett/texlive/) Regards. -- Albert SHIH Observatoire de Paris Meudon SIO batiment 15 Heure local/Local time: Sam 15 déc 2007 02:10:07 CET From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 01:21:05 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F20B816A417 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:21:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from entwistle.sonicboom.org (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34CA13C448 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:21:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (entwistle.sonicboom.org [66.93.34.170]) by entwistle.sonicboom.org (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF1L3nx004591; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:21:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bri@brianwhalen.net) Message-ID: <47632BFE.6000801@brianwhalen.net> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:21:02 -0800 From: Brian User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Kirkwood References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> In-Reply-To: <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: David Southwell , Remko Lodder , "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:21:06 -0000 Mark Kirkwood wrote: > > That is a little unfair IMHO - Aryeh has to gather information from > those who use the current system, and @ports is clearly the place for > that! Now he may listen to all, some or none of the points of view he > receives... and that may well determine the success or otherwise of > his ports-ng process - but I don't think he is doing anything wrong. > > I agree that a new list (ports-ng or similar) for this would be a good > thing to start *soon*, so that those folks (probably from *this* list) > who are interested can see what is happening and maybe help if they like! > > Cheers > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Information does indeed need to be gathered, and while even the ports list will only grab a small percentage of FreeBSD users, other options would likely grab a lot less. Plus, most of the users here are knowledgeable enough to give decent input. For those of you that don't like change may I suggest the book that led to http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/. It is really in all of our best interest to have the product evolve, the alternative is much worse. Brian From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 01:23:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE05216A41B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Received: from anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3FB13C468 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:23:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.3.2 anthesphoria.net lBF1N35T038677 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=anthesphoria.net; s=phero; t=1197681789; bh=epg7OOCpcLRvbf9lJ739oe8zpt0VZFdZ+XlYvn1Kc Vs=; l=1782; h=X-Bogosity:X-Squirrel-UserHash:X-Squirrel-FromHash: In-Reply-To:References:Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:User-Agent: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority: Importance; b=Uikkh6tni5USEiGDnWJaFmuIrZ20vKWXHFIYqXJQcKCKyJ/t1YaF qMiqbXAazpc74TZHFOyYmz8ngJNbjcvM+KQNVxrYqIMILG/wJmlAyjnSl1r6STk1NSh HeEzFE4BphdPLrmAkfxlsSm1jNNzhxm65XIRBjrkSTtkwOafgcZo= Received: from krypta.anthesphoria.net (anthesphoria.net [200.46.204.219]) by anthesphoria.net (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF1N35T038677; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:23:04 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from nikola.lecic@anthesphoria.net) Message-Id: <200712150123.lBF1N35T038677@anthesphoria.net> X-Squirrel-UserHash: HBMRAAc= X-Squirrel-FromHash: EEcWUxcTEVM= In-Reply-To: References: <20071214012409.GA26110@pcjas.obspm.fr> <20071214025230.361715eb@anthesphoria.net> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:23:04 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?B?Tmlrb2xhIExlxI1pxIc=?= To: "Doug Barton" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Cc: albert.shih@obspm.fr, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: TeTeX and TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 01:23:10 -0000 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:43:00 Doug Barton wrote: > On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Nikola LeÄić wrote: [...] > > I must add that I tried two times to contact two FreeBSD developers > > who > > (according to the public sources) seemed to be interested in this; > > never got a single word of reply. Having in mind that I offered a > > help, some experience and maintaining/testing availability, I can't > > understand this. It's very discouraging. > > please feel free to take that as a sign that you should take the ball > and run with it. :) Well, according to http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2007-May/040511.html porting of TeXLive has already been undertaken. :-) The problem is that it's not possible to get any further information on this work. But anyway, I don't think I can do it alone, of course. I could probably create port(s), but the biggest challenge is that so many other ports depend on teTeX, and re-configuring all dependencies obviously requires huge experience, computer horsepower and developers' hands. Therefore a help was offered and sharing future maintaining load as well: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2007-July/042729.html http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2007-August/043453.html So, once again: * If any FreeBSD developer is currently working on TeXLive port, please, can we users know something about it? * If not, is any FreeBSD developer willing to lead that project, publicly discuss port's infrastructure/concept, and then give us (who are happy to help :-)) some tasks? * Or some user should start porting (and discuss infrastructure first?) and then developers will jump in? -- Nikola LeÄić :: Ðикола Лечић From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 02:05:38 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33BB216A418 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:05:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp5.server.rpi.edu (smtp5.server.rpi.edu [128.113.2.225]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A98613C45A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:05:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gad@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [128.113.24.47] (gilead.netel.rpi.edu [128.113.24.47]) by smtp5.server.rpi.edu (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id lBF0pFQb024041; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:51:16 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:51:14 -0500 To: Paul Schmehl , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org From: Garance A Drosehn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" X-RPI-SA-Score: undef - spam scanning disabled X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: Bayes signature not available X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.113.2.225 Cc: Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:05:38 -0000 At 10:08 AM -0600 12/14/07, Paul Schmehl wrote: > >SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I guess we should all killfile you, too. -- Garance Alistair Drosehn = drosehn@rpi.edu Senior Systems Programmer or gad@FreeBSD.org Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute; Troy, NY; USA From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 02:44:09 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8FA16A46B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:44:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC4213C4EB for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:44:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (unknown [24.175.90.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E846654FD for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:44:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:44:09 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <8B7776E2EBA2B5F1EEA02492@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: <47632BFE.6000801@brianwhalen.net> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> <47632BFE.6000801@brianwhalen.net> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:44:09 -0000 --On December 14, 2007 5:21:02 PM -0800 Brian wrote: > > Information does indeed need to be gathered, and while even the ports > list will only grab a small percentage of FreeBSD users, other options > would likely grab a lot less. Plus, most of the users here are > knowledgeable enough to give decent input. For those of you that don't > like change may I suggest the book that led to > http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/. It is really in all of our best > interest to have the product evolve, the alternative is much worse. This really is getting quite irritating. Not one person on this list has=20 *ever* said they don't want to entertain new ideas for ports. Not one=20 person on this list has said they don't like change. *All* of the=20 complaints have been along the lines of "go write some code and stop=20 filling up this list with posts". And that is *precisely* the point. Yet the proponents of the Aryeh bandwagon keep throwing up this straw man=20 that those of us who have tired of the useless back and forth are refusing = to listen and uninterested in change, when *nothing* could be further from = the truth. ports@ is *not* a development list. Its purpose is to provide = news about ports, discuss problems with ports, get advice on porting and=20 so forth. Or, to quote its charter, "Discussions concerning FreeBSD's=20 =E2=80=9Cports collection=E2=80=9D (/usr/ports), ports infrastructure, and = general=20 ports coordination efforts. This is a technical mailing list for which=20 strictly technical content is expected." Get that? "Strictly technical". "How do you feel about the present=20 design" or "what don't you like about the present design" or "if you could = change something about ports, what would it be" are *not* appropriate=20 discussions for this list. It's time to move this "discussion" to some place where those that *care*=20 about coding and/or redesigning the ports system can participate and=20 discuss code and return this list to its original purpose. The only=20 FreeBSD list that would be appropriate (if that - it's not really) would=20 be arch, which is for architecture and design discussions. This thread is = a design discussion and does not belong here. Please move it to a more=20 appropriate place and leave this list alone. Ask the FreeBSD maintainers=20 to create a new list "ports-design@" if you like, but please stop the=20 discussions here. They are inappropriate for this list. And stop lying about the motivations of the many talented people who have=20 asked, politely and otherwise, to stop. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 02:59:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2488116A46C for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:59:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: from mail.soaustin.net (lefty.soaustin.net [66.135.55.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E79F213C458 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:59:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from linimon@lonesome.com) Received: by mail.soaustin.net (Postfix, from userid 502) id 6AB2F8C130; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:59:20 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:59:20 -0600 To: Garance A Drosehn Message-ID: <20071215025920.GA5467@soaustin.net> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: linimon@lonesome.com (Mark Linimon) Cc: Paul Schmehl , freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:59:21 -0000 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 07:51:14PM -0500, Garance A Drosehn wrote: > At 10:08 AM -0600 12/14/07, Paul Schmehl wrote: > > > >SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, > > I guess we should all killfile you, too. Can we please just stop the meta-thread now and go back to working on all the myriad things that need to be fixed? Thanks. mcl From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 03:06:13 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79CDA16A41A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:06:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D8413C457 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:06:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1813818pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:06:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z+JRhRxMqEy64/HgqmdACLYwOsNUAl+o2XmWTO/UDpo=; b=DvTFX8vvpXvR/RH8Jd1H1a0NF2PwI79740hhYX1/oHFqOHCpMcxiOCeOEr0Fxc8mk0KuKIVlJNdDIqXYrmY/vFm+v5U3nmiD2NBoPO3HWhpuOLR5hgvoCGfTSiqoewWV/ODRi41yIw0Vq7M999o8aZepeeM5i0tcHhWe6Pcqd6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=utO6Xp8uNslvnAbhsnskTk1RHVIHkBBqTE1x8jAavav2lkitdzm+9Eq+IvfSIghAPGYtMLywWj7pc5yGZzapH7lmGhGMdE9KqnJP7b8MZstf6kFIO7w0pZ0rpVsDryK6u6eG3z7LilKLHI4NzQ/3bS3MlX5u/U/64SWYN+rHWXc= Received: by 10.64.53.20 with SMTP id b20mr8778689qba.40.1197687971693; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:06:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e18sm2406685qbe.2007.12.14.19.06.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:06:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <476344A2.4060302@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:06:10 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> <47632BFE.6000801@brianwhalen.net> <8B7776E2EBA2B5F1EEA02492@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: <8B7776E2EBA2B5F1EEA02492@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:06:13 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It is too bad I am in your killfile because you will not get this ;-) > > Yet the proponents of the Aryeh bandwagon keep throwing up this > straw man that those of us who have tired of the useless back and > forth are refusing to listen and uninterested in change, when > *nothing* could be further from the truth. ports@ is *not* a > development list. Its purpose is to provide news about ports, > discuss problems with ports, get advice on porting and so forth. > Or, to quote its charter, "Discussions concerning FreeBSD's “ports > collection†(/usr/ports), ports infrastructure, and general ports > coordination efforts. This is a technical mailing list for which > strictly technical content is expected." 1. It specifically does not preclude such a discussion 2. If you where willing to have a rational debate vs. this chaos (some of my "supporters" may have gone too far but it is only out of reaction to the complete irrationality of some of those who don't like the idea... btw I am not accusing anyone one of being against the general concept of improving stuff just some people have really "stupid" ideas {i.e. to me the seem like a recipe for disaster} of the proper way to gather the information needed to do it right [not at all]) > > Get that? "Strictly technical". "How do you feel about the > present design" or "what don't you like about the present design" > or "if you could change something about ports, what would it be" > are *not* appropriate discussions for this list. Name a specific aspect of an on topic reply (not debates about the merits of the idea and/or the process of gathering info) that is not specifically techinical. By definition I think it is impossible not to have anything but a purely tech discussion unless your one of these narrow minded people who thinks that "2+2=4" is techinical but "what is the result of adding two and two" is not technical. > > It's time to move this "discussion" to some place where those that > *care* about coding and/or redesigning the ports system can > participate and discuss code and return this list to its original > purpose. The only FreeBSD list that would be appropriate (if that > - it's not really) would be arch, which is for architecture and > design discussions. This thread is a design discussion and does > not belong here. Please move it to a more appropriate place and > leave this list alone. Ask the FreeBSD maintainers to create a new > list "ports-design@" if you like, but please stop the discussions > here. They are inappropriate for this list. As soon the rough design is worked out (which if people would stop debating pointless stuff and stay on topic would take a week or so) almost nothing will be discussed on any existing -XXX@ list, the working group will use it's own list [not sure if it will be public or private yet], except for occasional progress reports.. just like any other project (and just like any other project there is a hopefully brief [compared to the total effort] peroid of public discussion concerning the general aspects and that is what is happening now on - -ports@]) > > And stop lying about the motivations of the many talented people > who have asked, politely and otherwise, to stop. I don't see how anyone ascribed any motive to anyone except for some opponents of my approach saying I have alternative motives.... speaking of that I need to clarify one thing when I said my personal reasons for doing this is to create a prototype for a commercial system I am working on I didn't not mean the two projects will be connected in any shape or form except for sharing some concepts.... the commercial version will be in Java for a OS radically diff then Unix thus almost no code portability is possible.... also the FreeBSD stuff will be 100% under the BSD license (note the commercial version will have "open" sources also see my company's web site http://www.flosoft-systems.com for details).... the reason for calling the FreeBSD version a prototype is FreeBSD can always fall back on the current system but for the commercial stuff due to it's nature there is no fall back position. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHY0ShzIOMjAek4JIRApRXAJ9yLSVMCxgrogUvNaa0wr2tj8ceMgCeI78p oI6J7k4VrK7622nSxxS7pmo= =aCgZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 03:06:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DB28A16A4C7; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:06:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nork@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:06:18 +0900 From: Norikatsu Shigemura To: Stephen Montgomery-Smith Message-Id: <20071215120618.1bf43910.nork@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <47632096.8080008@math.missouri.edu> References: <47630A20.60807@janh.de> <47631447.9090009@u.washington.edu> <1197676276.1838.23.camel@ikaros.oook.cz> <47632096.8080008@math.missouri.edu> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Jan Henrik Sylvester , Garrett Cooper , pav@freebsd.org, ports-list freebsd Subject: Re: misc/compat5x package installs with weird messages X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:06:20 -0000 On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:32:22 -0600 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > > My bets are on noschg flag. > Pav, you are exactly right. I have experienced this many times myself. > After installing the compat5x package you need to do "chflags -R > noschg /var/tmp/inst* && rm -rf /var/tmp/inst*" or something like that. > I think it is a bug in pkg_install, that it doesn't check for the schg > flag being set in its temporary file area. Or maybe it should set the > flags in the first place. I knew this issue. So I fixed it with rev#1.16 on make clean. But my work was not enough:-(. How about following patch? Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/misc/compat5x/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.16 diff -u -r1.16 Makefile --- Makefile 21 Apr 2007 03:24:32 -0000 1.16 +++ Makefile 15 Dec 2007 02:59:30 -0000 @@ -11,7 +11,7 @@ PORTNAME= compat5x PORTVERSION= 5.4.0.8 -PORTREVISION= 8 +PORTREVISION= 9 CATEGORIES= misc MASTER_SITES= ${MASTER_SITE_LOCAL} MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR=lesi/compat5x @@ -68,6 +68,9 @@ PLIST_SUB+= SPARC64="@comment " .endif +post-extract: + @chflags -R noschg ${WRKSRC} || ${TRUE} + do-install: @${MKDIR} ${TARGET_DIR} (cd ${WRKSRC} && ${INSTALL_DATA} *.so.* ${TARGET_DIR}) @@ -85,7 +88,4 @@ .endif @${CAT} ${PKGMESSAGE} -pre-clean: - @[ -w ${WRKSRC} ] && chflags -R noschg ${WRKSRC} || ${TRUE} - .include From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 03:16:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9727D16A417 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from smtp3.utdallas.edu (smtp3.utdallas.edu [129.110.10.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D10413C455 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:16:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pauls@utdallas.edu) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (unknown [24.175.90.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp3.utdallas.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04874654FD for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:16:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:16:56 -0600 From: Paul Schmehl To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213111050.O6078@wonkity.com> <200712140312.47837.danny@ricin.com> <4761F9E2.7090706@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com.> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:16:56 -0000 --On December 14, 2007 7:51:14 PM -0500 Garance A Drosehn wrote: > At 10:08 AM -0600 12/14/07, Paul Schmehl wrote: >> >> SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, > > I guess we should all killfile you, too. Be my guest. Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) Senior Information Security Analyst The University of Texas at Dallas http://www.utdallas.edu/ir/security/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 03:21:10 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA6D16A419 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D8A13C474 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:21:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBF3Ks4M002122; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:20:55 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <47634824.7020905@math.missouri.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:21:08 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071213 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Schmehl References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <20071214121906.1241dcdd@gumby.homeunix.com> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> <476303A3.4010205@gmail.com> <20071214232706.GB812@menantico.com> <476322E3.4040106@paradise.net.nz> <47632BFE.6000801@brianwhalen.net> <8B7776E2EBA2B5F1EEA02492@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: <8B7776E2EBA2B5F1EEA02492@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:21:10 -0000 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 14, 2007 5:21:02 PM -0800 Brian wrote: >> >> Information does indeed need to be gathered, and while even the ports >> list will only grab a small percentage of FreeBSD users, other options >> would likely grab a lot less. Plus, most of the users here are >> knowledgeable enough to give decent input. For those of you that don't >> like change may I suggest the book that led to >> http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/. It is really in all of our best >> interest to have the product evolve, the alternative is much worse. > > This really is getting quite irritating. Not one person on this list > has *ever* said they don't want to entertain new ideas for ports. Not > one person on this list has said they don't like change. *All* of the > complaints have been along the lines of "go write some code and stop > filling up this list with posts". And that is *precisely* the point. > > Yet the proponents of the Aryeh bandwagon keep throwing up this straw > man that those of us who have tired of the useless back and forth are > refusing to listen and uninterested in change, when *nothing* could be > further from the truth. ports@ is *not* a development list. Its > purpose is to provide news about ports, discuss problems with ports, get > advice on porting and so forth. Or, to quote its charter, "Discussions > concerning FreeBSD's “ports collection†(/usr/ports), ports > infrastructure, and general ports coordination efforts. This is a > technical mailing list for which strictly technical content is expected." > > Get that? "Strictly technical". "How do you feel about the present > design" or "what don't you like about the present design" or "if you > could change something about ports, what would it be" are *not* > appropriate discussions for this list. You are the first person who has raised any kind of coherent argument as to why perhaps Aryeh shouldn't be asking these questions on ports@. Your argument is based on the interpretation of the phrase "strictly technical" that appears in the charter, because Aryeh's posts are clearly in line with every other phrase in the charter. Personally I would not agree with your interpretation that Aryeh's posts contradict "strictly technical," but then again I have never really thought long and hard about what "strictly technical" means in this context. Now to your point about "straw men", I have refrained from doing as others have done, and have not tried to ascribe motives as to why this particular discussion has so offended people. But the overreaction to Aryeh's posts is definitely a mystery, and I can understand why people are speculating. The idea of a new mailing list: if the discussion about ports design got to overwhelm ports@, then it would become time to create a new mailing list. But up until now, the ports design posts with genuine content (as opposed to the "get out of here" posts) have been sufficiently few and sufficiently non-disruptive to this mailing list, that I don't think it is worth while to do this. If people simply responded to Aryeh's posts with strictly technical answers, the whole discussion would have been a few posts. I do agree that Aryeh's discussions are not along the lines of "port XXX is not working", but I just don't see why both kinds of posting cannot coexist in peaceful harmony, with a split happening only if one set of discussions threatens to overwhelm the other. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 03:52:21 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3F916A417; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ota@j.email.ne.jp) Received: from mail.asahi-net.or.jp (mail1.asahi-net.or.jp [202.224.39.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2B413C448; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:52:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ota@j.email.ne.jp) Received: from localhost (pool-151-197-219-16.phil.east.verizon.net [151.197.219.16]) by mail.asahi-net.or.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF7427FCE; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:34:05 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:34:06 -0500 From: Yoshihiro Ota To: Erik Trulsson Message-Id: <20071214223406.19f08339.ota@j.email.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20071213205857.GB72545@owl.midgard.homeip.net> References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213205857.GB72545@owl.midgard.homeip.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Lovett , Ade, Steven Kreuzer , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:52:21 -0000 On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0100 Erik Trulsson wrote: > One shortcoming is the lack of locking making parallell builds a bit unsafe. > If you try to build both port A and port B at the same time, and both A and > B depends (directly or indirectly) on port C which is not installed, then > you can esily end up having two processes both trying to build C at the same > time. This usually confuses both builds very badly making them fail. > > I also don't think there is any locking on /var/db/pkg making possibly > somewhat unsafe trying to register the installation of two ports/packages at > the same time. I have never noticed any actual problems with this though. > > > Some sort of locking, making parallel builds safe, should be possible to > add to the ports system without doing any sweeping changes. > (I did look briefly at the makefiles, but did not find any obvious place > to put the locking. I probably just did not look hard enough.) The ports system is to "install" a new port. It won't be easy to accomplish what you suggest. For example, dependencies are checked one at a time. So, even if you want to run multiple processes on LIB_DEPENDS, there is no easy way to control CPU load. It is a better idea for other "ports UPGRADE" utilities to take care of your suggestions. Indeed, I have been developing such utility myself. If you want to try, I can give out for testing. There are 2 known issues with my tool, yet: 1. no good way to run 'make config', yet, and 2. even if less LIB_DEPENDS are required due to less selected OPTIONS, my tool does not fully eliminate these dependencies. Hiro From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 04:30:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE2016A41A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A48213C45B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:30:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id u77so1877929pyb.3 for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:30:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=StJg0gOpk3W5L82vrqeNRVknB59WuRU8qkDNvFSuiXw=; b=eaGOXjcIBv/+1XIQuj5iv8dy6tVHdG7Caqx6TLK9+cREP2tRnhAm8e+ADCuJTSIeVNLLWkQL9CjJlmfeCcURAbypaWpWHyhzNiV53o/hOlr+2QQclicyMm6XL/UdE8SnY6O3ctI8UewbPC0cwDhI5zl6Y0iSETWOWy9EqcMDaSc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=EtKs6/hO8ldLPZ+A0+NUXTsBaACKXrqU810XucaM1CL7JkBymjtA0FmiQ661JAk5YZRDi4ZuMSJrhMJqR6W7WoB8O2TL5w+7SlLlDwA22x2pf3qDLGhn2+6RaL342VEQKy1XrcvLnb5hbqQPsnAV9ro0A0HEpeLlpuFgni8tcKI= Received: by 10.65.156.2 with SMTP id i2mr8932301qbo.60.1197693016723; Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:30:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e17sm7735087qbe.2007.12.14.20.30.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:30:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47635856.5080603@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 23:30:14 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yoshihiro Ota References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213205857.GB72545@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071214223406.19f08339.ota@j.email.ne.jp> In-Reply-To: <20071214223406.19f08339.ota@j.email.ne.jp> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Steven Kreuzer , Lovett Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:30:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yoshihiro Ota wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0100 Erik Trulsson > wrote: > >> One shortcoming is the lack of locking making parallell builds a >> bit unsafe. If you try to build both port A and port B at the >> same time, and both A and B depends (directly or indirectly) on >> port C which is not installed, then you can esily end up having >> two processes both trying to build C at the same time. This >> usually confuses both builds very badly making them fail. >> >> I also don't think there is any locking on /var/db/pkg making >> possibly somewhat unsafe trying to register the installation of >> two ports/packages at the same time. I have never noticed any >> actual problems with this though. >> >> >> Some sort of locking, making parallel builds safe, should be >> possible to add to the ports system without doing any sweeping >> changes. (I did look briefly at the makefiles, but did not find >> any obvious place to put the locking. I probably just did not >> look hard enough.) > > The ports system is to "install" a new port. It won't be easy to > accomplish what you suggest. For example, dependencies are checked > one at a time. So, even if you want to run multiple processes on > LIB_DEPENDS, there is no easy way to control CPU load. > > It is a better idea for other "ports UPGRADE" utilities to take > care of your suggestions. Indeed, I have been developing such > utility myself. If you want to try, I can give out for testing. > There are 2 known issues with my tool, yet: 1. no good way to run > 'make config', yet, and 2. even if less LIB_DEPENDS are required > due to less selected OPTIONS, my tool does not fully eliminate > these dependencies. > Your correct that there are 2 seperate issues at play here but there is a common solution (and to be honest I have yet to see any feature/issue discussed in any of the re-engineering threads that doesn't at least become more manageable under this general design concept I am working under).... I hate to keep referring to Miller97 but I think it highlights (directly or indirectly) every single issue that has been discussed while a little off topic (and slightly self serving) there is a good explanation of the general idea behind what I have in mind in the cook tutorial (I am the author thus it is self-serving) http://miller.emu.id.au/pmiller/software/cook/cook-2.30.tut.pdf.. In the the specific case of parallel builds once we pre-scan the DAG it is trivial to do a *FULL* DFS on it and just say for any time two ports are not in the same DFS generated subtree in respect to some root target (can be recursive) they can be build in parallel. Locking is also trivial now that the decision on ordering is made by the ports system and not indivual ports makefiles. (the indivual make files are still needed to build the port but should not and by definition can not contain knowledge about their depends). Side note the more we discuss this the more obvious it becomes to me it has to be in some OO lang and since C++ is the only one in the base system it kind of forces C++ to be the implementation lang. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHY1hWzIOMjAek4JIRArNwAJwMEsZVVMTnl3F4T96BfWGY/PHy2ACaA/RZ NGtCCzJp3z90MwP/UWGrp5o= =tTt4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 05:43:31 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B21EF16A41A; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:43:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nork@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:43:29 +0900 From: Norikatsu Shigemura To: Marc Abramowitz Message-Id: <20071215144329.7dd2a14a.nork@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: [ports/graphics/opencv] Add support V4L compat. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:43:31 -0000 Hi Marc. I'm tring to use opencv with USB camera. So I hope to support Video for Linux compat to opencv. May I commit following patch? Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/graphics/opencv/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 Makefile --- Makefile 7 Oct 2007 17:46:15 -0000 1.6 +++ Makefile 15 Dec 2007 05:39:13 -0000 @@ -8,7 +8,7 @@ PORTNAME= opencv PORTVERSION= 1.0.0 -PORTREVISION= 1 +PORTREVISION= 2 CATEGORIES= graphics MASTER_SITES= ${MASTER_SITE_SOURCEFORGE} MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR= opencvlibrary @@ -16,6 +16,8 @@ MAINTAINER= msabramo@yahoo.com COMMENT= Open Source Computer Vision Library from Intel +BUILD_DEPENDS= ${LOCALBASE}/include/linux/videodev.h:${PORTSDIR}/multimedia/v4l_compat + CFLAGS+= -I${LOCALBASE}/include/OpenEXR CPPFLAGS+= -I${LOCALBASE}/include -I${LOCALBASE}/include/OpenEXR LDFLAGS+= -L${LOCALBASE}/lib @@ -24,7 +26,7 @@ USE_LDCONFIG= yes GNU_CONFIGURE= yes CONFIGURE_ENV= CPPFLAGS="${CPPFLAGS}" LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS}" -CONFIGURE_ARGS= --without-v4l --without-quicktime --without-carbon \ +CONFIGURE_ARGS= --with-v4l --without-quicktime --without-carbon \ --without-1394libs \ --without-swig # I don't know anything about swig ... CONFIGURE_TARGET=--build=${MACHINE_ARCH}-portbld-freebsd${OSREL} From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 05:49:02 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 24BA516A418; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:49:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nork@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:49:01 +0900 From: Norikatsu Shigemura To: Marc Abramowitz Message-Id: <20071215144901.a4fdbaf1.nork@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20071215144329.7dd2a14a.nork@FreeBSD.org> References: <20071215144329.7dd2a14a.nork@FreeBSD.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [ports/graphics/opencv] Add support V4L compat. X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:49:02 -0000 On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:43:29 +0900 Norikatsu Shigemura wrote: > I'm tring to use opencv with USB camera. So I hope to support > Video for Linux compat to opencv. May I commit following patch? Oops! I forgot that there is a added patch. Please look at following patch. Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/ports/graphics/opencv/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.6 diff -u -r1.6 Makefile --- Makefile 7 Oct 2007 17:46:15 -0000 1.6 +++ Makefile 15 Dec 2007 05:39:13 -0000 @@ -8,7 +8,7 @@ PORTNAME= opencv PORTVERSION= 1.0.0 -PORTREVISION= 1 +PORTREVISION= 2 CATEGORIES= graphics MASTER_SITES= ${MASTER_SITE_SOURCEFORGE} MASTER_SITE_SUBDIR= opencvlibrary @@ -16,6 +16,8 @@ MAINTAINER= msabramo@yahoo.com COMMENT= Open Source Computer Vision Library from Intel +BUILD_DEPENDS= ${LOCALBASE}/include/linux/videodev.h:${PORTSDIR}/multimedia/v4l_compat + CFLAGS+= -I${LOCALBASE}/include/OpenEXR CPPFLAGS+= -I${LOCALBASE}/include -I${LOCALBASE}/include/OpenEXR LDFLAGS+= -L${LOCALBASE}/lib @@ -24,7 +26,7 @@ USE_LDCONFIG= yes GNU_CONFIGURE= yes CONFIGURE_ENV= CPPFLAGS="${CPPFLAGS}" LDFLAGS="${LDFLAGS}" -CONFIGURE_ARGS= --without-v4l --without-quicktime --without-carbon \ +CONFIGURE_ARGS= --with-v4l --without-quicktime --without-carbon \ --without-1394libs \ --without-swig # I don't know anything about swig ... CONFIGURE_TARGET=--build=${MACHINE_ARCH}-portbld-freebsd${OSREL} Index: files/patch-otherlibs-highgui-cvcap_v4l.cpp =================================================================== RCS file: files/patch-otherlibs-highgui-cvcap_v4l.cpp diff -N files/patch-otherlibs-highgui-cvcap_v4l.cpp --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ files/patch-otherlibs-highgui-cvcap_v4l.cpp 15 Dec 2007 05:45:59 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,10 @@ +--- otherlibs/highgui/cvcap_v4l.cpp.orig 2006-09-27 10:40:03.000000000 +0900 ++++ otherlibs/highgui/cvcap_v4l.cpp 2007-12-15 14:44:37.000000000 +0900 +@@ -209,7 +209,6 @@ + + #include + #include +-#include /* for videodev2.h */ + #include + #include + #include From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 09:50:56 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E44A16A417 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:50:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEA113C45A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 856371CC38; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:06:46 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:06:44 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <47632BFE.6000801@brianwhalen.net> <8B7776E2EBA2B5F1EEA02492@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> In-Reply-To: <8B7776E2EBA2B5F1EEA02492@paul-schmehls-powerbook59.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712150206.46161.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Paul Schmehl Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 09:50:56 -0000 On Friday 14 December 2007 18:44:09 Paul Schmehl wrote: > --On December 14, 2007 5:21:02 PM -0800 Brian wrote: > > Information does indeed need to be gathered, and while even the ports > > list will only grab a small percentage of FreeBSD users, other options > > would likely grab a lot less. Plus, most of the users here are > > knowledgeable enough to give decent input. For those of you that don't > > like change may I suggest the book that led to > > http://www.whomovedmycheese.com/. It is really in all of our best > > interest to have the product evolve, the alternative is much worse. > > This really is getting quite irritating. Not one person on this list has > *ever* said they don't want to entertain new ideas for ports. Not one > person on this list has said they don't like change. *All* of the > complaints have been along the lines of "go write some code and stop > filling up this list with posts". And that is *precisely* the point. > > Yet the proponents of the Aryeh bandwagon keep throwing up this straw man > that those of us who have tired of the useless back and forth are refusing > to listen and uninterested in change, when *nothing* could be further from > the truth. ports@ is *not* a development list. Its purpose is to provide > news about ports, discuss problems with ports, get advice on porting and > so forth. Or, to quote its charter, "Discussions concerning FreeBSD's > =E2=80=9Cports collection=E2=80=9D (/usr/ports), ports infrastructure, an= d general > ports coordination efforts. This is a technical mailing list for which > strictly technical content is expected." > > Get that? "Strictly technical". "How do you feel about the present > design" or "what don't you like about the present design" or "if you could > change something about ports, what would it be" are *not* appropriate > discussions for this list. > > It's time to move this "discussion" to some place where those that *care* > about coding and/or redesigning the ports system can participate and > discuss code and return this list to its original purpose. The only > FreeBSD list that would be appropriate (if that - it's not really) would > be arch, which is for architecture and design discussions. This thread is > a design discussion and does not belong here. Please move it to a more > appropriate place and leave this list alone. Ask the FreeBSD maintainers > to create a new list "ports-design@" if you like, but please stop the > discussions here. They are inappropriate for this list. > > And stop lying about the motivations of the many talented people who have > asked, politely and otherwise, to stop. > I think you have been very politely asked to stop highjacking perfectly=20 legitimate discussion by trolling. If you do not want to contribute=20 positively please use your delete key. In accordance with the charter you=20 describe please make some technical contributions in accordance with the=20 charter.=20 I have already indicated the dangers of loss of credibility that follows fr= om=20 any autocratic assumptions that any one individual is entitled to be=20 prescriptive. I do not think you are entitled to assume that your side of t= he=20 argument has a monopoly of talent. IMHO we can all do without incessant=20 hectoring, lecturing and bullying and more collegially expressed=20 contributions on topic.=20 This thread is entitled "The limits of the Ports System" not "Why we should= =20 not discuss the limts of the ports system". If you have nothing to say on=20 topic then please be humble and keep quiet Thank you From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 10:00:07 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E858216A46B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ehaupt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mx.critical.ch (mx.critical.ch [62.2.45.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E29A13C46A; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ehaupt@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tardis.home.critical.ch (77-57-39-107.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.57.39.107]) by mx.critical.ch (8.13.8/8.13.8/critical-1.0) with SMTP id lBF9RTtp099095; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:27:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ehaupt@FreeBSD.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:27:30 +0100 From: Emanuel Haupt To: cpghost Message-Id: <20071215102730.fb2d6a5d.ehaupt@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <20071214211657.GA24213@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> References: <20071214211657.GA24213@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.3; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mx.critical.ch [62.2.45.171]); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:27:30 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5128/Sat Dec 15 09:27:34 2007 on milkyway.critical.ch X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, barner@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: devel/boost -- where is tools/build/v2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:00:08 -0000 > I'm trying to walk through the tutorial of Boost.Python > (the devel/boost-python port)... and unless I'm running > out of coffe right now, it seems as if the boost port > is not fully installed/specified! > > Isn't boost supposed to come with a tools/build/v2 > directory? Where is it? Unless you built devel/boost with NOPORTDOCS defined it should be installed under: /usr/local/share/doc/boost/tools/build/v2 Emanuel From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 10:41:40 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1F516A41B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@mackanics.net) Received: from 1002-2.lowesthosting.com (1002-2.lowesthosting.com [207.44.216.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 626D113C45B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:41:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from robert@mackanics.net) Received: (qmail 12888 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2007 10:14:58 -0000 Received: from 70.44.30.242.res-cmts.haw.ptd.net (HELO beastie.local.mackanics.net) (70.44.30.242) by pat.hickey.name with SMTP; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 04:14:58 -0600 From: Robert Mackanics To: jylefort@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 05:14:56 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712150514.56178.robert@mackanics.net> Cc: ports@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Port: flu-2.14_2 X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:41:40 -0000 The following diff simply compiles flu with gcc34 on os versions where is was previously marked broken. --- Makefile.orig 2007-12-15 05:08:43.000000000 -0500 +++ Makefile 2007-12-15 05:09:29.000000000 -0500 @@ -43,7 +43,7 @@ .include .if ${OSVERSION} >= 700042 -BROKEN= Does not compile with GCC 4.2 +USE_GCC= 3.4 .endif .include From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 12:27:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C19916A417 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:27:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45C813C4EA for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:27:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-25-183.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.25.183]:56816 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J3W7O-0002Uc-4O for freebsd-ports@freebsd.org; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:27:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 89786 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2007 13:27:43 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with ESMTP; 15 Dec 2007 13:27:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 4184 invoked by uid 1001); 15 Dec 2007 13:27:43 +0100 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:27:43 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: Yoshihiro Ota Message-ID: <20071215122743.GA4076@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: Yoshihiro Ota , Steven Kreuzer , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, Ade Lovett References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213205857.GB72545@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071214223406.19f08339.ota@j.email.ne.jp> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071214223406.19f08339.ota@j.email.ne.jp> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) X-Originating-IP: 83.253.25.183 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1J3W7O-0002Uc-4O. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1J3W7O-0002Uc-4O d02cbf6e6086b3dc2064816ae790eb54 Cc: Ade Lovett , Steven Kreuzer , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:27:48 -0000 On Fri, Dec 14, 2007 at 10:34:06PM -0500, Yoshihiro Ota wrote: > On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:58:57 +0100 > Erik Trulsson wrote: > > > One shortcoming is the lack of locking making parallell builds a bit unsafe. > > If you try to build both port A and port B at the same time, and both A and > > B depends (directly or indirectly) on port C which is not installed, then > > you can esily end up having two processes both trying to build C at the same > > time. This usually confuses both builds very badly making them fail. > > > > I also don't think there is any locking on /var/db/pkg making possibly > > somewhat unsafe trying to register the installation of two ports/packages at > > the same time. I have never noticed any actual problems with this though. > > > > > > Some sort of locking, making parallel builds safe, should be possible to > > add to the ports system without doing any sweeping changes. > > (I did look briefly at the makefiles, but did not find any obvious place > > to put the locking. I probably just did not look hard enough.) > > The ports system is to "install" a new port. It won't be easy to accomplish > what you suggest. For example, dependencies are checked one at a time. > So, even if you want to run multiple processes on LIB_DEPENDS, there is no > easy way to control CPU load. What I suggested should not present any major difficulties. I did not propose automatic parallelization, or anything that needs to control CPU load in way. What I wanted is just support for manual execution of two parallel port builds. E.g. I want to be able to write 'cd /usr/ports/x11/gnome2 ; make install' in one virtual terminal and then, while the first command is running and installing all kinds of dependent ports, to able to switch to another terminal and write 'cd /usr/ports/x11/kde3 ; make install' without having to worry about the fact that some ports (like x11/xorg-libraries) will be needed by both builds. (Assume that I have already done a 'make config-recursive' for both gnome2 and kde3.) Currently doing the above will not work reliably. All that should be needed to make it work reliably is to add some kind of locking so that the ports system will not try to build a port if a build of that particular port is already in progress. (I suspect that using lockf(1) at appropriate places in /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.port.mk would be sufficient, but there are almost certainly a bunch of details and corner-cases that need to be considered.) > > It is a better idea for other "ports UPGRADE" utilities to take care of your > suggestions. Indeed, I have been developing such utility myself. If you > want to try, I can give out for testing. There are 2 known issues with my > tool, yet: 1. no good way to run 'make config', yet, and 2. even if > less LIB_DEPENDS are required due to less selected OPTIONS, my tool does > not fully eliminate these dependencies. > > Hiro -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 12:45:03 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A566E16A469 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.122]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DB813C4E8 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:45:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) Received: from localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com ([66.91.123.31]) by hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20071215122824.BBRM16876.hrndva-omta03.mail.rr.com@localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com>; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:28:24 +0000 Received: from holstein.holy.cow (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.hawaii.res.rr.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80AAA32A4; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:29:10 -1000 (HST) Received: (from parv@localhost) by holstein.holy.cow (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id lBFCT9Ix008192; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:29:09 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from parv@pair.com) X-Authentication-Warning: holstein.holy.cow: parv set sender to parv@pair.com using -f Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 02:29:09 -1000 From: Parv To: "Phillip N." Message-ID: <20071215122909.GA5859@holstein.holy.cow> Mail-Followup-To: "Phillip N." , Paul Schmehl , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <6DB899FB04746B87CEC4292A@utd59514.utdallas.edu> <1197473350.1296.17.camel@negro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1197473350.1296.17.camel@negro> Cc: Paul Schmehl , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: results of ports re-engineering survey X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:45:03 -0000 in message <1197473350.1296.17.camel@negro>, wrote Phillip N. thusly... > > Im not really reading this threads.. > > But.. has this something to do with this? > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2007-April/039802.html O' don't scare me. Yet Again. Naughty boy. It was quite near the end I thought about that day of April. For a while, I did get my knickers in a knot. - Parv -- From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 13:54:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4079716A47B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:54:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from fw.farid-hajji.net (fw.farid-hajji.net [213.146.115.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5B2413C45B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:54:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from epia-2.farid-hajji.net (epia-2 [192.168.254.11]) by fw.farid-hajji.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99726E07DA; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:54:16 +0100 (CET) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:54:16 +0100 From: cpghost To: Emanuel Haupt Message-ID: <20071215135415.GA56791@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> References: <20071214211657.GA24213@epia-2.farid-hajji.net> <20071215102730.fb2d6a5d.ehaupt@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20071215102730.fb2d6a5d.ehaupt@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.16 (2007-06-09) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org, barner@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: devel/boost -- where is tools/build/v2? X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:54:19 -0000 On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 10:27:30AM +0100, Emanuel Haupt wrote: > > I'm trying to walk through the tutorial of Boost.Python > > (the devel/boost-python port)... and unless I'm running > > out of coffe right now, it seems as if the boost port > > is not fully installed/specified! > > > > Isn't boost supposed to come with a tools/build/v2 > > directory? Where is it? > > Unless you built devel/boost with NOPORTDOCS defined it should be > installed under: > > /usr/local/share/doc/boost/tools/build/v2 > > Emanuel Hmm... no, sorry, it's not: 1. I didn't set NOPORTDOCS in /etc/make.conf, yet there's nothing there besides some html files. 2. /usr/ports/devel/boost-python/work/boost_1_34_1/tools/build/v2/tools for example contains plenty of .jam files that are needed by bjam to run. Those are *not* copied over. A few html files are put in doc/, but not the real stuff (which belongs elsewhere, see 3.). 3. Those files are NOT doc files: they are needed by bjam. Their "right" place should be something like, say, /usr/local/lib/boost/tools/... Thanks, -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 15:59:55 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9A4216A418; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:59:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301C013C442; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:59:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id ED0701CC38; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:15:47 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <200712140947.26972.david@vizion2000.net> <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <476301A8.4090009@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712150815.47716.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: Remko Lodder Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:59:55 -0000 On Friday 14 December 2007 14:20:24 Remko Lodder wrote: > David Southwell wrote: > > On Friday 14 December 2007 08:08:54 Paul Schmehl wrote: > >> --On Friday, December 14, 2007 12:19:06 +0000 RW > >> > >> wrote: > >>> On Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:34:58 -0500 > >>> > >>> "Aryeh M. Friedman" wrote: > >>>> Namely if I build abc with options 123 and 345 and > >>>> def with 345 and 678 then 345 will be cached for def since we already > >>>> set it for abc. > >>> > >>> How do you know the user wants 345 set on both ports? > >>> > >>> It might be a useful stable feature on "abc", but causes lock-ups on > >>> "def" > >> > >> SInce I've already killfiled Aryeh, I can only infer what you are > >> responding to and respond to him. But let me state this emphatically in > >> the hopes it will get through his thick skull. > > > > I do wish you could acquire the maturity to distinguish between the > > advantages that could come arguing your case clearly and collegially and > > the disadvantages that acrue from being personally antagonistic towards > > someone with whose analysis you happen to disagree. > > > > For me when someone becomes abusive they destroy their own credibility > > and get to sound as though they believe their opinions antitle them to be > > hateful and that their own views are somehow godgiven. > > > >> IT IS NOT THE JOB OF PORTS > >> TO MAKE DECISIONS FOR USERS. > > > > IMHO Shouting make you less rather than more credible. > > > >> \Please repeat that one hundred times until it > >> gets through. > > > > Endless repetition does not add strength to analysis!! > > > >> No port should *ever* make decisions on a users behalf. Suggestions, > >> yes (e.g. OPTIONS that are enabled by default.) Decisions, no. If you > >> depend on another port *and* on certain knobs in that dependency being > >> enabled, then *tell* the user that during your port's install and let > >> them decide how to handle it. DO NOT enable those knobs yourself, no > >> matter how tempting it may be. > > > > IMHO You would sound more credible if you used the IMHO a bit more!! You > > might also gain some respect if you followed your own advice. Make > > suggestions for others to consider - do not decide, in advance, they are > > thick skulled if they do not agree with you!! > > > >> It is beyond impossible for anyone to know what every user who is > >> installing ports already has on their boxes or what they might want to > >> add or ***what you might break***. Once you begin making decisions for > >> them, you could well stomp all over something that was functioning > >> perfectly normally and break a critical box. > >> > >> DON'T DO IT. That is so Microsoftian it's not funny. > > > > IMHO Shouting, hectoring and lecturing does not add weight to anyones > > point of view. > > These threads have gone far enough, please consider taking this off the > FreeBSD mailinglists and discuss this privately. The majority does not > like the current ideas and want to see something usefull first. People > like Aryeh and David are not really persons that one would see as the > persons generating the ports-infrastructure-ng till they have code. > > If you both keep pissing off people that have a fair share in the ports > collection already, please do it by other means, dont crowd the > mailinglists with it. Your ideas might be perfect in your world but they > aint in ours (till you have shown working code). This world (the ports mailing list) is our world as much as it is your world. Think about collegial coexistence or use the delete key. Otherwise please stay on topic and stop trolling. This thread is about the limitations of ports system not "Why we should not talk about trhe limitations of the Ports System". 1. Stay on topic 2. Start a separate thread if you want - I am sure there will be those who would like to discuss why the limitations of the ports system should not be discussed. 3. Otherwise please make some technical responses to the thread. > Thank you From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 16:37:48 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B56516A41B for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlof@FreeBSD.org) Received: from main.vonostingroup.com (main.vonostingroup.com [216.32.84.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F62B13C459 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:37:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlof@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [76.97.67.49] (helo=[127.0.0.1]) by main.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J3ZVc-0007uX-MN; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:05:01 -0600 Message-ID: <4763FB0F.6070504@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:04:31 -0500 From: "Frank J. Laszlo" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aryeh M. Friedman" References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213205857.GB72545@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071214223406.19f08339.ota@j.email.ne.jp> <47635856.5080603@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <47635856.5080603@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - main.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [26 6] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - FreeBSD.org Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:37:48 -0000 Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > Your correct that there are 2 seperate issues at play here but there > is a common solution (and to be honest I have yet to see any > feature/issue discussed in any of the re-engineering threads that > doesn't at least become more manageable under this general design > concept I am working under).... I hate to keep referring to Miller97 > but I think it highlights (directly or indirectly) every single issue > that has been discussed while a little off topic (and slightly self > serving) there is a good explanation of the general idea behind what > I have in mind in the cook tutorial (I am the author thus it is > self-serving) > http://miller.emu.id.au/pmiller/software/cook/cook-2.30.tut.pdf.. > > In the the specific case of parallel builds once we pre-scan the DAG > it is trivial to do a *FULL* DFS on it and just say for any time two > ports are not in the same DFS generated subtree in respect to some > root target (can be recursive) they can be build in parallel. Locking > is also trivial now that the decision on ordering is made by the ports > system and not indivual ports makefiles. (the indivual make files are > still needed to build the port but should not and by definition can > not contain knowledge about their depends). > > Side note the more we discuss this the more obvious it becomes to me > it has to be in some OO lang and since C++ is the only one in the base > system it kind of forces C++ to be the implementation lang. > > <...removing completely unnecessary CC list...> Let me get this straight. You've been on this list for around 3 months, you do not maintain any ports, and about the only threads you've been involved in related to redesigning the ports? Please.. You really have no idea how complex a system you are attempting to engineer. I shouldn't even say attempting, because I have yet to see any code, ideas for code, or even talk of what language it will be in. (mind you, I haven't went back through the 3-4 threads on this same topic you've participated in) Please take this thread elseware, there is no need to make it public until you have something to show the masses. Regards, Frank Laszlo From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 17:44:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7256216A420 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:44:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE76713C455 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:44:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 30C411CC38; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:00:12 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:00:11 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <47635856.5080603@gmail.com> <4763FB0F.6070504@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4763FB0F.6070504@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712151000.11727.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: "Frank J. Laszlo" , "Aryeh M. Friedman" Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 17:44:19 -0000 On Saturday 15 December 2007 08:04:31 Frank J. Laszlo wrote: > Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: > > Your correct that there are 2 seperate issues at play here but there > > is a common solution (and to be honest I have yet to see any > > feature/issue discussed in any of the re-engineering threads that > > doesn't at least become more manageable under this general design > > concept I am working under).... I hate to keep referring to Miller97 > > but I think it highlights (directly or indirectly) every single issue > > that has been discussed while a little off topic (and slightly self > > serving) there is a good explanation of the general idea behind what > > I have in mind in the cook tutorial (I am the author thus it is > > self-serving) > > http://miller.emu.id.au/pmiller/software/cook/cook-2.30.tut.pdf.. > > > > In the the specific case of parallel builds once we pre-scan the DAG > > it is trivial to do a *FULL* DFS on it and just say for any time two > > ports are not in the same DFS generated subtree in respect to some > > root target (can be recursive) they can be build in parallel. Locking > > is also trivial now that the decision on ordering is made by the ports > > system and not indivual ports makefiles. (the indivual make files are > > still needed to build the port but should not and by definition can > > not contain knowledge about their depends). > > > > Side note the more we discuss this the more obvious it becomes to me > > it has to be in some OO lang and since C++ is the only one in the base > > system it kind of forces C++ to be the implementation lang. > > <...removing completely unnecessary CC list...> > > Let me get this straight. You've been on this list for around 3 months, > you do not maintain any ports, and about the only threads you've been > involved in related to redesigning the ports? Please.. You really have > no idea how complex a system you are attempting to engineer. I shouldn't > even say attempting, because I have yet to see any code, ideas for code, > or even talk of what language it will be in. (mind you, I haven't went > back through the 3-4 threads on this same topic you've participated in) > Please take this thread elseware, there is no need to make it public > until you have something to show the masses. > > Regards, > Frank Laszlo And get this I have been around the computer world using *nix long before freebsd came along. That does not mean what I say today deserves to be judged other than on its face value. However what over 40 years in IT has encouraged me to think that those who invite people to judge a book by its cover have either not read the book or can't be bothered to do so. I am sure you have a lot of knowledge and experience but I doubt whether your collegiality is more attractive than your sense of humour. I recall you once said: "remember sometimes my jokes are crude" judging by your contributions to this thread am I not entitled to wonder if your assessment of your jokes is also applicable to your general standard of reasoning? Now please take note; 1. This thread is entitled Limitation of Ports System. Please stay on topic. 2. If you want people to take you seriously either post some technical information relevant to the topic that gains you some credibility or press the delete key and keep quiet. 3. Please stop trolling. 4. You could start a thread "Why we should not discuss the limitations of Port System and keep your contributions on topic there. I can assure you that I will not be trying to highjack that dialogue. Yours David From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 18:41:51 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F92916A41A for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:41:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlof@FreeBSD.org) Received: from main.vonostingroup.com (main.vonostingroup.com [216.32.84.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE86013C448 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from laszlof@FreeBSD.org) Received: from [76.97.67.49] (helo=[127.0.0.1]) by main.vonostingroup.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.68 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1J3bxN-000A1w-QF; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:41:50 -0600 Message-ID: <47641FCA.1050502@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:41:14 -0500 From: "Frank J. Laszlo" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Southwell References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <47635856.5080603@gmail.com> <4763FB0F.6070504@FreeBSD.org> <200712151000.11727.david@vizion2000.net> In-Reply-To: <200712151000.11727.david@vizion2000.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - main.vonostingroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [26 6] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - FreeBSD.org Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:41:51 -0000 David Southwell wrote: > And get this > > I have been around the computer world using *nix long before freebsd came > along. That does not mean what I say today deserves to be judged other than > on its face value. However what over 40 years in IT has encouraged me to > think that those who invite people to judge a book by its cover have either > not read the book or can't be bothered to do so. > > I am sure you have a lot of knowledge and experience but I doubt whether your > collegiality is more attractive than your sense of humour. > I recall you once said: > "remember sometimes my jokes are crude" > judging by your contributions to this thread am I not entitled to wonder if > your assessment of your jokes is also applicable to your general standard of > reasoning? > I am making no jokes. Also note that I was not speaking to you, so why do you get in the middle of every one elses business? > Now please take note; > 1. This thread is entitled Limitation of Ports System. Please stay on topic. > I was not the person who went off topic, perhaps you should read back to the beginning on this thread where Aryeh began to bring his "project" back into this topic. > 2. If you want people to take you seriously either post some technical > information relevant to the topic that gains you some credibility or press > the delete key and keep quiet. > I have no need to gain credibility, those who know me know exactly how "credible" I am. those who dont, I could care less what they think. This includes you sir. > 3. Please stop trolling. > I am not trolling, If I didnt know any better, I'd say that you are the one trolling. > 4. You could start a thread "Why we should not discuss the limitations of Port > System and keep your contributions on topic there. I can assure you that I > will not be trying to highjack that dialogue. > Thats rediculous, certainly your 40+ years in IT would have discovered this long before posting such useless comments. I rarely post on -ports anymore, due to the lack of order and respect for those who actually DO SOMETHING, and not just bitch and moan about things that should be done. This thread is useless, as there is no actual solutions attached.. If you want to bitch and moan about how things should get done on freebsd, then move it to -chat, theres plenty of trolls to feed there. -Frank From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 19:09:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C32B16A41A; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D74E13C4CE; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:09:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 5CE9B1CC3D; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:25:12 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 11:25:11 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <200712151000.11727.david@vizion2000.net> <47641FCA.1050502@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <47641FCA.1050502@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712151125.12091.david@vizion2000.net> Cc: "Frank J. Laszlo" , "Aryeh M. Friedman" Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:09:19 -0000 On Saturday 15 December 2007 10:41:14 Frank J. Laszlo wrote: > David Southwell wrote: > > And get this > > > > I have been around the computer world using *nix long before freebsd came > > along. That does not mean what I say today deserves to be judged other > > than on its face value. However what over 40 years in IT has encouraged > > me to think that those who invite people to judge a book by its cover > > have either not read the book or can't be bothered to do so. > > > > I am sure you have a lot of knowledge and experience but I doubt whether > > your collegiality is more attractive than your sense of humour. > > I recall you once said: > > "remember sometimes my jokes are crude" > > judging by your contributions to this thread am I not entitled to wonder > > if your assessment of your jokes is also applicable to your general > > standard of reasoning? > > I am making no jokes. Also note that I was not speaking to you, so why > do you get in the middle of every one elses business? What you say on this list is everyone's business and those who do not post collegially may expect to be reminded of its value. > > > Now please take note; > > 1. This thread is entitled Limitation of Ports System. Please stay on > > topic. > > I was not the person who went off topic, perhaps you should read back to > the beginning on this thread where Aryeh began to bring his "project" > back into this topic. > > > 2. If you want people to take you seriously either post some technical > > information relevant to the topic that gains you some credibility or > > press the delete key and keep quiet. > > I have no need to gain credibility, those who know me know exactly how > "credible" I am. those who dont, I could care less what they think. This > includes you sir. IMHO credibility is gained by treating individuals with respect even when one disagrees with their point of view. In a technical list such as ports@ one is entitled to expect a technical response not invalid arguments ad personam. > > > 3. Please stop trolling. > > I am not trolling, If I didnt know any better, I'd say that you are the > one trolling. Prove it. Either make a technical contribution or use the delete key. > > > 4. You could start a thread "Why we should not discuss the limitations of > > Port System and keep your contributions on topic there. I can assure you > > that I will not be trying to highjack that dialogue. > > Thats rediculous, certainly your 40+ years in IT would have discovered > this long before posting such useless comments. My intention is not to offend but to draw attention to the need to remain on topic and not to argue ad personam. > > I rarely post on -ports anymore, due to the lack of order and respect > for those who actually DO SOMETHING, and not just bitch and moan about > things that should be done. > > This thread is useless, as there is no actual solutions attached.. If > you want to bitch and moan about how things should get done on freebsd, > then move it to -chat, theres plenty of trolls to feed there. If the thread is useless why are you wasting your time posting to it? In the face of these statement Iis it not reasonable to ask if you posting for kicks? David From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 20:08:25 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D9B716A419 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D95313C448 for ; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:08:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBFK88aB008819; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:08:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <47643436.9020600@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:08:22 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071213 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Frank J. Laszlo" References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <47635856.5080603@gmail.com> <4763FB0F.6070504@FreeBSD.org> <200712151000.11727.david@vizion2000.net> <47641FCA.1050502@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <47641FCA.1050502@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:08:25 -0000 Frank J. Laszlo wrote: > I rarely post on -ports anymore, due to the lack of order and respect > for those who actually DO SOMETHING, and not just bitch and moan about > things that should be done. I remember it was only a few short years ago that ports@ was completely inundated by receiving every PR that was ports related. Now these PR's are thankfully sent to a different group, I think it is ports-bugs@. (I admit complete ignorance of the history behind why this was done!) Before then, I found ports@ completely unusable. Now I am finding it to be a very interesting and very, very useful mailing list. Sometimes I happen to have the answer to someone else's issue. And very often, when I have a problem, some kind person has a good answer for me! Anyway, if you are going to have a mailing list like this one, and if it is going to be of any use at all, then you must simply accept bitching and moaning as part of the process. If you try to silence what you perceive to be bitching and moaning, more than likely you are going to stop what could be potentially very useful discussions. In particular, if there isn't some discussion as to why the status quo is screwed up, then the status quo IS screwed up, and dissent is being inappropriately squashed. Stephen From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 15 20:29:20 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F66816A419; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from cauchy.math.missouri.edu (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55B013C45B; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Received: from laptop2.gateway.2wire.net (cauchy.math.missouri.edu [128.206.184.213]) by cauchy.math.missouri.edu (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id lBFKT2Vv008970; Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:29:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from stephen@math.missouri.edu) Message-ID: <4764391D.20807@math.missouri.edu> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:29:17 -0600 From: Stephen Montgomery-Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071213 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Frank J. Laszlo" References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <47635856.5080603@gmail.com> <4763FB0F.6070504@FreeBSD.org> <200712151000.11727.david@vizion2000.net> <47641FCA.1050502@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <47641FCA.1050502@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Aryeh M. Friedman" , David Southwell , freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:29:20 -0000 Frank J. Laszlo wrote: > I rarely post on -ports anymore, due to the lack of order and respect > for those who actually DO SOMETHING, and not just bitch and moan about > things that should be done. Let me also make another point related to this sentence. While obviously there should be respect for those who actually do something, there also very much needs to be respect for those who DON'T do something. FreeBSD's goal ultimately is to serve the community - as it says in big letters on the main web page "The Power to Serve." Not everyone has time or talent enough to make an effective contribution, but even those who simply use the product must be seen as important members of the FreeBSD community. As such, requests or complaints should be taken seriously. It is OK to argue that they are asking too much, or that we cannot provide for their request, but it is never OK to simply tell them to "shut up." 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( [67.85.89.184]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e19sm3175042qbe.2007.12.15.13.28.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:28:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <47644708.9090905@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:28:40 -0500 From: "Aryeh M. Friedman" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Frank J. Laszlo" References: <475F7390.9090509@gmail.com> <1022BEDA-8641-4686-AB1A-3FE2D688F47F@FreeBSD.org> <475FAC1F.1010401@gmail.com> <19341C6C-BF3A-4DFD-B8DF-87F4E92B0335@FreeBSD.org> <0F330142-A3CA-4E6E-84BD-FDE55A8E3AEE@yahoo.com> <20071213205857.GB72545@owl.midgard.homeip.net> <20071214223406.19f08339.ota@j.email.ne.jp> <47635856.5080603@gmail.com> <4763FB0F.6070504@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4763FB0F.6070504@FreeBSD.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Limitations of Ports System X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:28:45 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > you do not maintain any ports Incorrect I have one that is currently officially pending in the backlog created by the freeze (the PR is sitting their waiting). Also as soon that port is done and any errors I may of made as it being my first port I have 2 more to be added and on a fairly regular basis see adding to that list. - -- Aryeh M. Friedman FloSoft Systems http://www.flosoft-systems.com Developer, not business, friendly -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHZEcIzIOMjAek4JIRAhhiAJ9niZH5yha4BRsz2IzxBHv9c4x0ZwCeLRfY vLsD+SpFSAXGimYXYQbtd34= =jMcT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----