From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 4 08:35:27 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1679116A417 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:35:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (gwdu60.gwdg.de [134.76.8.60]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A23713C459 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:35:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from gwdu60.gwdg.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m148FZr4067822; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:15:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) Received: from localhost (kheuer2@localhost) by gwdu60.gwdg.de (8.13.8/8.13.6/Submit) with ESMTP id m148FZXV067819; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:15:35 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from kheuer2@gwdg.de) X-Authentication-Warning: gwdu60.gwdg.de: kheuer2 owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 09:15:35 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Heuer To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 08:35:27 -0000 Hello everyone, since I've read about the M$ offer to buy Yahoo in the newspapers on saturday I'm wondering whether this will be a threat or a chance for FreeBSD. Knowing what happened when M$ bought Hotmail - FreeBSD was gradually replaced by Windows - I fear that one very famous commercial user (and sponsor?) of FreeBSD will move away from FreeBSD. What do you think and expect? Best regards Konrad Heuer GWDG, Am Fassberg, 37077 Goettingen, Germany, kheuer2@gwdg.de From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 4 11:00:43 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A8016A420 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:00:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Received: from weak.local (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5606513C448; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:00:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kris@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: <47A6F055.8080200@FreeBSD.org> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:00:37 +0100 From: Kris Kennaway User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Macintosh/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Konrad Heuer References: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> In-Reply-To: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:00:43 -0000 Konrad Heuer wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > since I've read about the M$ offer to buy Yahoo in the newspapers on > saturday I'm wondering whether this will be a threat or a chance for > FreeBSD. > > Knowing what happened when M$ bought Hotmail - FreeBSD was gradually > replaced by Windows - I fear that one very famous commercial user (and > sponsor?) of FreeBSD will move away from FreeBSD. > > What do you think and expect? I think people should not become frightened when nothing has actually happened yet. Kris From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 4 11:58:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F3D16A417 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60A913C442 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:58:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944922082; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:41:11 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: -0.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on tim.des.no Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C982049; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:41:11 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6A99D844A1; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:41:11 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: Konrad Heuer References: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:41:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> (Konrad Heuer's message of "Mon\, 4 Feb 2008 09\:15\:35 +0100 \(CET\)") Message-ID: <861w7tgd9k.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:58:59 -0000 Konrad Heuer writes: > since I've read about the M$ offer to buy Yahoo in the newspapers on > saturday I'm wondering whether this will be a threat or a chance for > FreeBSD. Please don't stir this up again. It's been discussed ad nauseam on -chat and in other fora already, and that by, shall we say, people of far less discrimination than yourself. While I don't think anybody seriously expects at this point that Yahoo! will stop using and supporting FreeBSD for several years at least, the project will neither be caught unawares nor without a backup plan if it does happen. DES (neither a member of nor speaking for core@) --=20 Dag-Erling Sm=C3=B8rgrav - des@des.no From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 4 12:21:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D8116A46C for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:21:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndenev@gmail.com) Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com (rv-out-0910.google.com [209.85.198.184]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A4DC13C500 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:21:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndenev@gmail.com) Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id g13so1624404rvb.43 for ; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 04:21:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=6L/0/yuChKQscgBjjSWrNTM7arJWMOXECrUsCgusRB4=; b=NUcLQT71rz7a4qvgCKONitnZSqB32+7mndAupLF/nILfAk9nkZxndM0XwdnU7I40fdunzuHYYH3AInjbC9bAT4Xz4fb0zP98z2tQ3I1yof9pZyx6rpDfDHuR5IQ3OXEMdSpa8OF8VQNU6uyiDNz89Qyy8R6Jx+j4YEsIrWEjKP8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=a9ZUkFxmvdrrguojgRvrbRUM4eOMK9pe7umuB1VOOq8Nexhzv1VT8SMCQJUYhFhSNrIAC902UAvrHzrCd7cFUZdmOsiNORDO1NP9bcSH+kJnxFeT/KHXOgyoY5mbGdZpMYfaDaSe+fU3b7sLiOH3M5sOsEHTRLQO097obgxbGmM= Received: by 10.140.164.1 with SMTP id m1mr4638430rve.266.1202126102214; Mon, 04 Feb 2008 03:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.170.18 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 03:55:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2e77fc10802040355u2f963d83kcd7c6ee816b6b27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:55:02 +0200 From: "Niki Denev" Sender: ndenev@gmail.com To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <47A6F055.8080200@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <47A6F055.8080200@FreeBSD.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 15b59bac4f6ecef9 Cc: Subject: Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:21:53 -0000 On Feb 4, 2008 1:00 PM, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Konrad Heuer wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > since I've read about the M$ offer to buy Yahoo in the newspapers on > > saturday I'm wondering whether this will be a threat or a chance for > > FreeBSD. > > > > Knowing what happened when M$ bought Hotmail - FreeBSD was gradually > > replaced by Windows - I fear that one very famous commercial user (and > > sponsor?) of FreeBSD will move away from FreeBSD. > > > > What do you think and expect? > > I think people should not become frightened when nothing has actually > happened yet. > > Kris > There's a speculation that Yahoo may reject Microsoft's offer in favor of alliance with Google http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/04/0130235.shtml --Niki From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 4 13:17:10 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DED316A468 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:17:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (tim.des.no [194.63.250.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA34013C501 for ; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 13:17:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from des@des.no) Received: from tim.des.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spam.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4272D2085; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:17:00 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Tests: AWL X-Spam-Learn: disabled X-Spam-Score: -0.2/3.0 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on tim.des.no Received: from ds4.des.no (des.no [80.203.243.180]) by smtp.des.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257F12049; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:17:00 +0100 (CET) Received: by ds4.des.no (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 05754844A0; Mon, 4 Feb 2008 14:17:00 +0100 (CET) From: =?utf-8?Q?Dag-Erling_Sm=C3=B8rgrav?= To: "Niki Denev" References: <20080204091025.T31857@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <47A6F055.8080200@FreeBSD.org> <2e77fc10802040355u2f963d83kcd7c6ee816b6b27@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 14:16:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2e77fc10802040355u2f963d83kcd7c6ee816b6b27@mail.gmail.com> (Niki Denev's message of "Mon\, 4 Feb 2008 13\:55\:02 +0200") Message-ID: <86lk60g8tw.fsf@ds4.des.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/22.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft-Yahoo-Offer X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 13:17:10 -0000 "Niki Denev" writes: > There's a speculation that Yahoo may reject Microsoft's offer in favor > of alliance with Google > http://slashdot.org/articles/08/02/04/0130235.shtml And like pretty much everything else on Slashdot, it is just that: wild speculation. Yahoo! has rejected offers from Microsoft in the past, but this time, Microsoft addressed their very generous offer (~60% above last close at the time it was made) directly to the shareholders, and there is nothing Y! can do to stop it if enough shareholders decide to bite. This tactic is commonly known as a hostile takeover. I am not saying Microsoft will succeed, nor that they will fail. I don't know either way, and at this point, I don't think anybody else does either. However, when listening to such speculation as you refer to above, you should take into account the fact that some people may stand to make a lot of money by convincing the market, or even just a small part of it, that their speculation is factual rather than pulled out of thin air. 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Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:14:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.86.17 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:14:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1ff813d0802080114w1996a19dq82566f58d356b746@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:14:36 +0200 From: "william rockt" To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: FAQ Interactive, Are Video Games Good? A Non-Gamer's Perspective X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 09:41:25 -0000 FAQ Interactive, Are Video Games Good? A Non-Gamer's Perspective http://www.faqinteractive.com/ 1-866-268-5588 The argument as to whether video games are good or not is perhaps one of the hottest debates today. There are smart, well-educated, well-meaning people on each side of the debate. As a non-gamer, I have an interesting perspective bring to the discussion - I'm a non-gamer who views video games favorably. Why? Allow me to explain. Probably the largest complaint against video games is that they encourage violence. Perhaps they do. But I think that they are only a part of the picture. Playing a shooting game on your computer does not and can not by itself create a murderer. There are many other factors involved. In my experience, the gamers that I know are certainly not violent. I believe that playing violent video games may increase violence only if and when other factors are present. I feel the same about violent movies, which I generally do not mind. Take, for example, Gladiator or The Patriot, both R rated for violence. After watching those movies, I had an increased hatred of un-needed violence. They did not make me violent. Instead, they re-enforced my belief that cruelty is wrong, and violence should be avoided if possible. Another argument against computer and video games is that they are sedentary. Kids who play them often end up overweight, lazy, and unskilled in other ares of life. Well, that may have some truth in it, but that can be said about lot's of things - including a desk job! I believe that the key is balance and moderation. Just as running marathon every other day would be detrimental to your health, so is playing too many video games. Before I close, let me explain why I am a non-gamer - it's because I'd rather go hunting or fishing that play a game about hunting, shooting, fishing, etc. Visit for quality game servers.