From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 18 21:24:59 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25723106564A for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:24:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saltmiser@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1AD58FC1B for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:24:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saltmiser@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1035263wfg.7 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:24:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=+EW2VxzqVPaPB8D9lUncKcG3j7U4N9d8vIhHh/dfvFY=; b=vYgfR0vOH3hiR9OJM9OXlm9figtxN7RVZsJ/yAA3NzxpY94Uxb9gnt+nPNh5jMmn1sp7y/5e1nm9ik2DCvUhcsKdKamADW6ij4SR6mZKdYdgi/wBdfAIk0kBcOHPnDec21hMleitIDn90pagWZHjLBvfzGeQ6oMTjlRFN4fU8tE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=jWaWfzTf9ICUGkbcAnTbJCY7GwSqj485+NOevPCp92XoAArOE82ACwjaN3cLGzUqG1E83+1LGZkrbtd4WXnYBTApGsS8pObiCQSNy7y+Hq3qfu/6qtO1Gjcb5BIzVxIfRolPi1yMPbrvkOdRkij/xPJoLVFhKWYzJp0sAtivu90= Received: by 10.142.154.20 with SMTP id b20mr2533105wfe.150.1211145510866; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.100.21 with HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:18:30 -0400 From: "Jim Capozzoli" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:24:59 -0000 So, I pulled out the slide rule yesterday that's older then I am..and I figured out how to multiply/divide on it. Is there anybody out there still using slide rules for day to day math? Or does anybody have any interesting stories/reminiscences about slide rules? I was considering figuring out how to do Trig on it and then taking my Trig final with it. :) -- Jim Capozzoli D6499626857801B6065013E3645A6B75 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 18 21:37:50 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69571065672 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saltmiser@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8D98FC15 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 21:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from saltmiser@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so1037898wfg.7 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:37:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=TRzIb9rAlwS613pRmkmBzWLLnA9Vu8XuYYcYTSNwjMw=; b=TB+gSej7KUWThzSSdsfrUYVLsfLh3+JFeDGT48YcV9WPXF3pIcH2whxgzlJ7dlCfXllrAONn3eRjPHCLJZWW8ZnKqRpYKtN/sGuf0fc0ZDBCg3lAxRXNigQQtwKm9fInN8xOcH7EP+2Lze65dyBAu+mXQen3DxF3DZOoOZIU56E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=G/A0oLHD3be0OljFE3mUMTE5Gs4OH6Tmr3GXhHfny2BeiKRXGoSQb+zsPdQI/7t8VT370GhE4TNsht6Z+H3OZJl98UT+vvEEiRh1rjwSmfbC/6rZ5WQEpyE/mvQSURtuszqYhkFsaWsAl4671Wh2OH43JU9nXCeURcelDx99v7o= Received: by 10.142.199.10 with SMTP id w10mr2533274wff.272.1211145097235; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.100.21 with HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:11:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37f72b1f0805181411h7bd0415eh19a16dcfad75d72@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:11:37 -0400 From: "Jim Capozzoli" To: "Matt Olander" In-Reply-To: <46DC647F.2050109@ixsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46DBF48E.7030806@gmail.com> <46DC647F.2050109@ixsystems.com> Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsdmall.com prices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:37:50 -0000 On Mon, Sep 3, 2007 at 3:46 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > deeptech71@gmail.com wrote: >> >> I've just looked at the prices at www.freebsdmall.com, and found that they >> are overwhelming. A full FreeBSD release costs like 40$. 40$?! HOLY SHIT! >> Who would buy it for that much money when you can download it for free? Now >> you might think that giving 40$ is a great way for supporting the project. >> But is freebsdmall associated with the core team in any way? OK, even if it >> is, I think there would be more income, if there were a reasonable price. Or >> does mailing a 4 CD set or a DVD really cost that much money?! Either way, I >> think it is still more financially efficient if users download a copy and >> donate like 35$ via some online method. Don't give me wrong. Of course there >> are people without online access or CD/DVD burners, but those are rare case >> exceptions. Am I wrong? Is it not how this thing works? Are lots of people >> really buying freebsdmall products keenly/willingly every time for some >> reason? > > Hi, > > In fact, one of the core team members, Murray Stokely, is on the FreeBSD > Mall payroll. Also, in the past few months alone, we've donated over $20k > USD in modern server hardware for FreeBSD development, made possible in part > due to the revenue generated by the mall. The FreeBSD Mall also provides us > with merchandise that we use to promote FreeBSD at trade shows that we > attend at a cost of several thousand dollars per show. > > I think the $40 dollars for the professionally packaged 4 CD set is not only > an inexpensive investment for a little piece of internet history for each > FreeBSD release, but it is also a tremendous help offsetting a portion of > the costs for our advocacy and hardware support efforts for the FreeBSD > Project. > > best, > -matt > > -- > Matt Olander > CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open Source" http://www.iXsystems.com > Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project http://www.FreeBSD.org > BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org > Phone: (408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101 > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Perhaps though, if it was say $20 more people would buy it. But the question is, would twice as many people buy it? -- Jim Capozzoli D6499626857801B6065013E3645A6B75 From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 18 22:14:12 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B013106564A for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from flpi195.prodigy.net (flpi195.sbcis.sbc.com [207.115.20.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7818FC0A for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:14:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (adsl-75-4-48-187.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net [75.4.48.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by flpi195.prodigy.net (8.13.8 smtpauth/dk/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4IM2eB1012521 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:02:41 -0700 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: freebsd-chat In-Reply-To: <37f72b1f0805181411h7bd0415eh19a16dcfad75d72@mail.gmail.com> References: <46DBF48E.7030806@gmail.com> <46DC647F.2050109@ixsystems.com> <37f72b1f0805181411h7bd0415eh19a16dcfad75d72@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Stox Organization Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:02:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1211148160.11587.5.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: freebsdmall.com prices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ken@stox.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:14:12 -0000 On Sun, 2008-05-18 at 17:11 -0400, Jim Capozzoli wrote: > Perhaps though, if it was say $20 more people would buy it. But the > question is, would twice as many people buy it? I think that is covered by PC-BSD. I have no idea how well it sells, though. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun May 18 22:21:00 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDFEC106566B for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4C48FC15 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 22:21:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from astrodog@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 9so928208ywe.13 for ; Sun, 18 May 2008 15:21:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=k4+rqWyL3MYE2PHZnOn5EBLawlbREwWtK0SHQw43jK0=; b=ghCuWlDDJ2a852nCxrNu2QATFQPMraEVYM5AhtCZ0KVM/M/nmuRmhSSuKk8Ak1dF5z4lxPJ4lsv6r3D5W2IyqP5v6r/FlRbKmf66nPRqbmS16c+h8p4GiySKp+e7gjQpEceZW0+HfQL7rVBPno0poT1L+0ikWwqLyAV6ATLwwAI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=KxBJMGxvJ3y2HWQmyns4LIA7wpRNQUNgtovFRHfLZWLt4t87iLaKI3OOJ4T+0bjyljtFIOz1AdyCM0u9DnXP0rQj+GOorPSqWY2AJezXjGKPoAzAnE5jdP6GaOshqw7eF/uStxIPl1jlS0jnjvRRnLo1EcS92pk8I7NzNEJ0ACk= Received: by 10.150.51.9 with SMTP id y9mr5677434yby.42.1211147810526; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.178.1 with HTTP; Sun, 18 May 2008 14:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2fd864e0805181456s4c6523dbi3f8de3b5ff54d872@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 05:56:50 +0800 From: Astrodog To: "Jim Capozzoli" In-Reply-To: <37f72b1f0805181411h7bd0415eh19a16dcfad75d72@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46DBF48E.7030806@gmail.com> <46DC647F.2050109@ixsystems.com> <37f72b1f0805181411h7bd0415eh19a16dcfad75d72@mail.gmail.com> Cc: Matt Olander , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsdmall.com prices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:21:01 -0000 > Perhaps though, if it was say $20 more people would buy it. But the > question is, would twice as many people buy it? Not to get pedantic here, but I suspect more than twice as many people would have to buy it, because of the cost to handle the orders, make the media, etc. One thing I'd like to see, is a set of distfile and package DVDs, if that's something that could be put together, Matt. --- Harrison From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 04:07:44 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957F01065674 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 04:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from ozlabs.org (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545148FC23 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 04:07:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from dereel.lemis.com (ozlabs.org [203.10.76.45]) by ozlabs.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F89DDDEE0; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:52:14 +1000 (EST) Received: by dereel.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id DB7E822AB5; Mon, 19 May 2008 13:52:09 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:52:09 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Jim Capozzoli Message-ID: <20080519035209.GT46655@dereel.lemis.com> References: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="KxKI/R+N9hudrWbn" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 04:07:44 -0000 --KxKI/R+N9hudrWbn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday, 18 May 2008 at 17:18:30 -0400, Jim Capozzoli wrote: > So, I pulled out the slide rule yesterday that's older then I am..and > I figured out how to multiply/divide on it. Is there anybody out > there still using slide rules for day to day math? Or does anybody > have any interesting stories/reminiscences about slide rules? I was > considering figuring out how to do Trig on it and then taking my Trig > final with it. :) Heh. I don't know where my slide rule is, but it's definitely a lot younger than I am. So the following is from memory. It applies to the conventional slide rules that I know, with C/D scales going from 1 to 10 at the bottom, and A/B scales going from 1 to 100 at the top (giving squares of the corresponding scale below). To multiply two numbers, you place the 1 on the C scale (bottom of the slide) against the first number on the D scale (directly below on the body). Move the cursor (or your eye :-) to the second number on the C scale, and read off the result on the D scale. To divide one number by another, you place the divisor the C scale above the dividend on the D scale. Read off the quotient on the D scale below the 1 on the C scale. Greg -- See complete headers for address and phone numbers. --KxKI/R+N9hudrWbn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFIMPlpIubykFB6QiMRAvOIAKCrWfDNQFG5dk1nN2JauI5Mkk2D8ACgh3b/ AdJVQn2L60Kp3jEd1m5lwv4= =LhMi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --KxKI/R+N9hudrWbn-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 12:38:49 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA0ED1065677 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (unknown [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379068FC17 for ; Mon, 19 May 2008 12:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4JCclZe099027; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:38:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.1/8.14.1/Submit) id m4JCclFX099026; Mon, 19 May 2008 14:38:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from olli) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:38:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <200805191238.m4JCclFX099026@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, saltmiser@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.2-STABLE-20070808 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 19 May 2008 14:38:47 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Subject: Re: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, saltmiser@gmail.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 12:38:49 -0000 Jim Capozzoli wrote: > So, I pulled out the slide rule yesterday that's older then I am..and > I figured out how to multiply/divide on it. Is there anybody out > there still using slide rules for day to day math? Or does anybody > have any interesting stories/reminiscences about slide rules? I was > considering figuring out how to do Trig on it and then taking my Trig > final with it. :) Well, I own a slide rule, it's in a drawer under my desk at home. But I have to confess that I almost never use it, because typing "bc -l" is much faster and delivers more accurate results. In fact I've bound "bc -l" to an inline hotkey of my shell's (zsh) command line editor, so the result is inserted at the cursor position. [*] Best regards Oliver [*] PS: For users of zsh, put this into your ~/.zshrc to bind the function to Esc M. # # Calculate an arithmetic expression using bc(1) # and insert the result at the cursor position. # user-insert-math-expression() { setopt localoptions extendedglob zle -I local X=$( stty sane <&2 read "X?Math expression: " <&2 echo -E "$X" | bc -l 2>/dev/null ) if [[ $? -ne 0 || -z "$X" ]]; then zle beep; zle -M "*** Error in math expression! ***" else if [[ "$X" == *.* ]]; then # Decimal point? X="${X%%0#}" # Remove trailing zeros. if [[ "$X" == .* ]]; then X="0$X" # Add zero before. fi fi LBUFFER="${LBUFFER}$X" fi } zle -N user-insert-math-expression bindkey '^[m' user-insert-math-expression -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. 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Sobral From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon May 19 17:45:41 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3A7106566B; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from dirj.bris.ac.uk (dirj.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204528FC1F; Mon, 19 May 2008 17:45:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk) Received: from mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.16.62]) by dirj.bris.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Jy9AQ-0004Mp-PR; Mon, 19 May 2008 18:29:02 +0100 Received: from cse-jg.cse.bris.ac.uk ([137.222.12.37]:58079) by mail.ilrt.bris.ac.uk with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Jy9AH-0007cr-Qm; Mon, 19 May 2008 18:28:49 +0100 Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 18:28:49 +0100 (BST) From: Jan Grant X-X-Sender: cmjg@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk To: Greg 'groggy' Lehey In-Reply-To: <20080519035209.GT46655@dereel.lemis.com> Message-ID: <20080519182201.N68739@tribble.ilrt.bris.ac.uk> References: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> <20080519035209.GT46655@dereel.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-ILRT-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ILRT-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-3.194, required 5, autolearn=not spam, ALL_TRUSTED -1.80, AWL 1.21, BAYES_00 -2.60) X-ILRT-MailScanner-From: jan.grant@bristol.ac.uk X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -0.8 X-Spam-Level: / Cc: Jim Capozzoli , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:45:41 -0000 On Mon, 19 May 2008, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 18 May 2008 at 17:18:30 -0400, Jim Capozzoli wrote: > > I was > > considering figuring out how to do Trig on it and then taking my Trig > > final with it. :) [snip] > To multiply two numbers, you place the 1 on the C scale (bottom of the > slide) against the first number on the D scale (directly below on the > body). Move the cursor (or your eye :-) to the second number on the C > scale, and read off the result on the D scale. This follows naturally from: ln (xy) = ln x + ln y If you're trying to do trig, presumably the same ideas apply. Since cos x = 1/2 (e^ix + e^-ix) you need to be able to move one half of the slide rule perpendicular to the plane that the other half occupies? Yours in theory, jan -- jan grant, ISYS, University of Bristol. http://www.bris.ac.uk/ Tel +44 (0)117 3317661 http://ioctl.org/jan/ They modified their trousers secretly. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 20 02:58:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08496106568D for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 02:58:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30628FC12 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 02:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W27 ([65.54.168.127]) by bay0-omc1-s3.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 19 May 2008 19:46:17 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [196.40.10.248] From: Rick Nekus To: Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 02:46:17 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20080519035209.GT46655@dereel.lemis.com> References: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> <20080519035209.GT46655@dereel.lemis.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 May 2008 02:46:17.0905 (UTC) FILETIME=[AD973A10:01C8BA23] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 02:58:17 -0000 My Uncle , a long-retired Consttruction Engineer used a "slide-rule" to est= imate the quantity/mixture/plasiciity/... of ALL the concrete needed for the building of the John Hancock building in= Chicago with nothing but a "Slide-Rule". ! -NO, I kid you not. His results? -its still standing. -"NO" computers neede= d. Of course he had a few decades of experience with concrete prior. =20 yup, and he still likes to remind me of that fact, and ya, I do have some l= inks now to prove it. :) -whatever can work. > Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 13:52:09 +1000> From: grog@FreeBSD.org> To: saltmi= ser@gmail.com> CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: slide rules> > On= Sunday, 18 May 2008 at 17:18:30 -0400, Jim Capozzoli wrote:> > So, I pulle= d out the slide rule yesterday that's older then I am..and> > I figured out= how to multiply/divide on it. Is there anybody out> > there still using sl= ide rules for day to day math? Or does anybody> > have any interesting stor= ies/reminiscences about slide rules? I was> > considering figuring out how = to do Trig on it and then taking my Trig> > final with it. :)> > Heh. I don= 't know where my slide rule is, but it's definitely a lot> younger than I a= m. So the following is from memory. It applies to> the conventional slide r= ules that I know, with C/D scales going from 1> to 10 at the bottom, and A/= B scales going from 1 to 100 at the top> (giving squares of the correspondi= ng scale below).> > To multiply two numbers, you place the 1 on the C scale= (bottom of the> slide) against the first number on the D scale (directly b= elow on the> body). Move the cursor (or your eye :-) to the second number o= n the C> scale, and read off the result on the D scale.> > To divide one nu= mber by another, you place the divisor the C scale> above the dividend on t= he D scale. Read off the quotient on the D> scale below the 1 on the C scal= e.> > Greg> --> See complete headers for address and phone numbers. _________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 20 14:44:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 730141065671 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 14:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@brann.org) Received: from mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.4.199]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4334D8FC13 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 14:44:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@brann.org) Received: from freebie.brann.org (ool-45768fe8.dyn.optonline.net [69.118.143.232]) by mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTP id <0K160062P7JBDSN0@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net> for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freebie.brann.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freebie.brann.org (8.14.2/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4KEENqx014945 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:14:23 -0400 (EDT envelope-from john@freebie.brann.org) Received: (from john@localhost) by freebie.brann.org (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m4KEEN8p014944 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 10:14:23 -0400 (EDT envelope-from john) Content-return: prohibited Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 10:14:23 -0400 From: John Brann In-reply-to: <20080519035209.GT46655@dereel.lemis.com> To: chat@freebsd.org Message-id: <20080520141423.GA33386@freebie.brann.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-disposition: inline X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on freebie.brann.org References: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> <20080519035209.GT46655@dereel.lemis.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.2.4 Cc: Subject: Re: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:44:15 -0000 --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 01:52:09PM +1000, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > On Sunday, 18 May 2008 at 17:18:30 -0400, Jim Capozzoli wrote: > > So, I pulled out the slide rule yesterday that's older then I am..and > > I figured out how to multiply/divide on it. Is there anybody out > > there still using slide rules for day to day math? Or does anybody > > have any interesting stories/reminiscences about slide rules? I was > > considering figuring out how to do Trig on it and then taking my Trig > > final with it. :) >=20 > Heh. I don't know where my slide rule is, but it's definitely a lot > younger than I am. So the following is from memory. It applies to > the conventional slide rules that I know, with C/D scales going from 1 > to 10 at the bottom, and A/B scales going from 1 to 100 at the top > (giving squares of the corresponding scale below). >=20 > To multiply two numbers, you place the 1 on the C scale (bottom of the > slide) against the first number on the D scale (directly below on the > body). Move the cursor (or your eye :-) to the second number on the C > scale, and read off the result on the D scale. >=20 > To divide one number by another, you place the divisor the C scale > above the dividend on the D scale. Read off the quotient on the D > scale below the 1 on the C scale. >=20 > Greg > -- > See complete headers for address and phone numbers. I'm afraid I don;t use it much - but I still have mine to hand. It's on my desk, in New York City, with a cricket ball. Both objects are there to=20 confuse the locals. Both succeed. John --=20 Unreal City, Under the brown fog of a winter dawn, --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgy3LkACgkQV2IaDvrl+0iNTACghlpCBvjgB1q9jdNLemJ4XLBA aS4AoKlLUT5FRKnZQt7WLpBBsL3mzJuH =U2oC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Q68bSM7Ycu6FN28Q-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 20 20:16:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E18C1065671 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 879A98FC17 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by QMTA08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Tvia1Z0010cQ2SLA803b00; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:00:57 +0000 Received: from goku.pumpky.net ([24.6.98.87]) by OMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Tw0t1Z0021t7DrL8W00000; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:00:53 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=aIrhEIryvimy9mQWF28A:9 a=QY7MSvZEvQby3u9mLUkdFyRj5I4A:4 a=4iXfik_MsjQA:10 Received: from goku.pumpky.net (localhost. [127.0.0.1]) by goku.pumpky.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4KK1GbZ069513 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 13:01:17 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) Received: (from cjc@localhost) by goku.pumpky.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m4KK1GJX069512 for chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 13:01:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from cristclark@comcast.net) X-Authentication-Warning: goku.cjclark.org: cjc set sender to cristclark@comcast.net using -f Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 13:01:16 -0700 From: "Crist J. Clark" To: chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080520200116.GA69452@goku.pumpky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-URL: http://people.freebsd.org/~cjc/ Cc: Subject: Quiet Firewall/Access Point Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:16:58 -0000 Right now, I've got an old PC functioning as my firewall/ bastion host and as the wireless access point. It's running FreeBSD 5.5. I'd like to retire it and its noisy fan (it's in the bedroom right now). I'm wondering about fanless PCs or even a flash-based system. Something I could put FreeBSD on would be nice, but not required. I would like a "general purpose" Unix-like OS however. It needs, - Firewall - 802.11ag - WEP and WPA - IPsec - IPv6 - SSH The price? Lower the better obviously. I've Googled for stuff, but was hoping for some recommendations from people with similar working setup that they are happy with. Anyone out there? -- Crist J. Clark | cjclark@alum.mit.edu From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 20 20:43:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C4C01065687 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:43:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E72E8FC0A for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:43:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from max@love2party.net) Received: from vampire.homelinux.org (dslb-088-066-057-253.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.66.57.253]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1JyYUK0sOn-0004UG; Tue, 20 May 2008 22:31:12 +0200 Received: (qmail 25168 invoked from network); 20 May 2008 20:29:28 -0000 Received: from myhost.laiers.local (192.168.4.151) by mx.laiers.local with SMTP; 20 May 2008 20:29:28 -0000 From: Max Laier Organization: FreeBSD To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 22:30:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.9 References: <20080520200116.GA69452@goku.pumpky.net> In-Reply-To: <20080520200116.GA69452@goku.pumpky.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200805202230.58040.max@love2party.net> X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/JKRshCVXFASObSHrxzFn8qsrrnKkLhCkOqPk u4NB5KI6uo8FmTWR18cyIFR2GMeYx2li3OzDbLbOFDVacRscPZ SQyWfb5+Nzwrofw97Vjzw== Cc: "Crist J. Clark" Subject: Re: Quiet Firewall/Access Point Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:43:48 -0000 On Tuesday 20 May 2008 22:01:16 Crist J. Clark wrote: > Right now, I've got an old PC functioning as my firewall/ > bastion host and as the wireless access point. It's running > FreeBSD 5.5. I'd like to retire it and its noisy fan (it's > in the bedroom right now). I'm wondering about fanless PCs > or even a flash-based system. Something I could put FreeBSD > on would be nice, but not required. I would like a "general > purpose" Unix-like OS however. It needs, > > - Firewall > - 802.11ag > - WEP and WPA > - IPsec > - IPv6 > - SSH > > The price? Lower the better obviously. I've Googled for stuff, > but was hoping for some recommendations from people with > similar working setup that they are happy with. Anyone out there? See e.g. here: http://www.pfsense.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=50 Also http://www.soekris.com/products.htm And of course pfsense.org is a good one-stop solution. -- /"\ Best regards, | mlaier@freebsd.org \ / Max Laier | ICQ #67774661 X http://pf4freebsd.love2party.net/ | mlaier@EFnet / \ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Against HTML Mail and News From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 20 20:51:45 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78412106566C for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 361D18FC12 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 20:51:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mailnull@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail-in-12-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-12-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.29]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588AB2BC810 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-12-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BF4B279445 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:42:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (dslb-088-067-124-241.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.67.124.241]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E62C35E729 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:42:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kemoauc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m4KJgpiP012177 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:42:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull@kemoauc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by kemoauc.mips.inka.de (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m4KJgp2k012176 for freebsd-chat@freebsd.org; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:42:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from mailnull) From: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:42:50 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> Originator: naddy@mips.inka.de (Christian Weisgerber) To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/7182/Tue May 20 18:09:32 2008 on mail-in-06.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 20:51:45 -0000 Jim Capozzoli wrote: > So, I pulled out the slide rule yesterday that's older then I am..and > I figured out how to multiply/divide on it. ports/deskutils/sliderule -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 20 21:41:20 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5481065670 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:41:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39A818FC16 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:41:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 17421 invoked by uid 0); 20 May 2008 21:14:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (216.186.148.249) by smtp2.knology.net with SMTP; 20 May 2008 21:14:38 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id 228F528429; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:14:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:14:38 -0500 From: David Kelly To: Christian Weisgerber Message-ID: <20080520211438.GA32447@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:41:20 -0000 On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 07:42:50PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > Jim Capozzoli wrote: > > > So, I pulled out the slide rule yesterday that's older then I am..and > > I figured out how to multiply/divide on it. > > ports/deskutils/sliderule Finally! Have been waiting for someone to find a FreeBSD-compatible sliderule! And this one is _so_ modern in using a virtual machine! -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 20 21:51:53 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93198106564A for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:51:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: from smtp.knology.net (smtp.knology.net [24.214.63.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EAED8FC12 for ; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:51:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dkelly@Grumpy.DynDNS.org) Received: (qmail 8545 invoked by uid 0); 20 May 2008 21:25:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Grumpy.DynDNS.org) (216.186.148.249) by smtp7.knology.net with SMTP; 20 May 2008 21:25:12 -0000 Received: by Grumpy.DynDNS.org (Postfix, from userid 928) id BE4C128429; Tue, 20 May 2008 16:25:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:25:10 -0500 From: David Kelly To: "Crist J. Clark" Message-ID: <20080520212510.GB32447@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <20080520200116.GA69452@goku.pumpky.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080520200116.GA69452@goku.pumpky.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quiet Firewall/Access Point Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:51:53 -0000 On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 01:01:16PM -0700, Crist J. Clark wrote: > Right now, I've got an old PC functioning as my firewall/ > bastion host and as the wireless access point. It's running > FreeBSD 5.5. I'd like to retire it and its noisy fan (it's > in the bedroom right now). I'm wondering about fanless PCs > or even a flash-based system. Something I could put FreeBSD > on would be nice, but not required. I would like a "general > purpose" Unix-like OS however. It needs, > > - Firewall > - 802.11ag > - WEP and WPA > - IPsec > - IPv6 > - SSH > > The price? Lower the better obviously. I've Googled for stuff, > but was hoping for some recommendations from people with > similar working setup that they are happy with. Anyone out there? WRT54GL is in the $50 to $75 range. Is not the only device capable of running OpenWRT, just one of the better supported. http://openwrt.org/ I have one that I pack for travel. -- David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net ======================================================================== Whom computers would destroy, they must first drive mad. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 21 01:36:31 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48197106564A for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 01:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from db@db.net) Received: from diana.db.net (diana.db.net [204.228.229.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3019D8FC18 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 01:36:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from db@db.net) Received: from diana.db.net ([204.228.229.66] helo=localhost ident=mailnull) by diana.db.net with esmtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1JychR-0006f8-PW; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:01:01 -0600 Received: from diana.db.net ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) (envelope-from ) id 1JychP-000OXc-CY; Tue, 20 May 2008 21:00:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 21:00:59 -0400 From: Diane Bruce To: David Kelly Message-ID: <20080521010059.GA94244@night.db.net> References: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> <20080520211438.GA32447@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080520211438.GA32447@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: Christian Weisgerber , freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 01:36:31 -0000 On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 04:14:38PM -0500, David Kelly wrote: > On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 07:42:50PM +0000, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > > Jim Capozzoli wrote: ... > Finally! > Have been waiting for someone to find a FreeBSD-compatible sliderule! > > And this one is _so_ modern in using a virtual machine! I've been meaning to reply to this thread, I have a slide rule or two, but don't use them daily. I still know how to use 'em though. ;-) > > -- > David Kelly N4HHE, dkelly@HiWAAY.net Seeing your callsign reminded me of this one: At the last homebrew night at http://www.oarc.net, one of the hams brought in some homebrew sliderules made out of CD cases and blank CD covers. I regret not bringing a camera and getting some photos. - 73 Diane VA3DB (http://www.db.net/hamfreesbie) -- - db@FreeBSD.org db@db.net http://www.db.net/~db From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 21 02:15:24 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A73106564A for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 02:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from lariat.net (lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D548FC16 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 02:15:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brett@lariat.net) Received: from anne-o1dpaayth1.lariat.org (IDENT:ppp1000.lariat.net@lariat.net [66.119.58.2]) by lariat.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23490; Tue, 20 May 2008 19:39:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200805210139.TAA23490@lariat.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:39:32 -0600 To: David Kelly , Christian Weisgerber From: Brett Glass In-Reply-To: <20080520211438.GA32447@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> References: <37f72b1f0805181418j16efd60fge243160dbfdc6789@mail.gmail.com> <20080520211438.GA32447@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: slide rules X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 02:15:25 -0000 At 03:14 PM 5/20/2008, David Kelly wrote: >Finally! >Have been waiting for someone to find a FreeBSD-compatible sliderule! Slipsticks are especially good for calculating release schedules. ;-) --Brett Glass From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed May 21 07:01:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F64106567F for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 07:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from spankme.voop.as (spankme.voop.as [62.97.243.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29D28FC17 for ; Wed, 21 May 2008 07:01:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solskogen@carebears.mine.nu) Received: from tenderheart.bgo.internal.umoecom.net ([192.168.10.88]) (authenticated bits=0) by spankme.voop.as (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m4L6f6G3017601 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 21 May 2008 08:41:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4833C3BB.9060909@carebears.mine.nu> Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 08:39:55 +0200 From: Christer Solskogen User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Macintosh/20080421) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Crist J. Clark" References: <20080520200116.GA69452@goku.pumpky.net> In-Reply-To: <20080520200116.GA69452@goku.pumpky.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.62 on 62.97.243.75 X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (spankme.voop.as [62.97.243.75]); Wed, 21 May 2008 08:41:10 +0200 (CEST) Cc: chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Quiet Firewall/Access Point Device X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 07:01:39 -0000 Crist J. Clark wrote: > The price? Lower the better obviously. I've Googled for stuff, > but was hoping for some recommendations from people with > similar working setup that they are happy with. Anyone out there? Fit-PC. Its small, it makes no sound, and have two ethernet. No wi-fi but it has USB. -- chs From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 22 18:14:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58E80106564A for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E9808FC23 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:14:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 2955 invoked from network); 22 May 2008 17:48:07 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO chuckr.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 22 May 2008 17:48:03 -0000 Message-ID: <4835AFE5.2000000@telenix.org> Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:39:49 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20071107) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=F3DCA0E9; url=http://pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig79F5D1A31281B02397C2FC5A" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: if you don't get this X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:14:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig79F5D1A31281B02397C2FC5A Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030407010102010305030105" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030407010102010305030105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable then you haven't got a sense of humor, this is the best I've see lately. = Do yourself a favor, I've attached a jpg, if your mailer doesn't inline it, = go out of your way and display it, it's worth your time! --------------030407010102010305030105-- --------------enig79F5D1A31281B02397C2FC5A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFINa/lz62J6PPcoOkRArLBAJ44c1Zvi7MSojcbaxpkRax2fbIL7wCfb2GS RxRnzB1YA5TNx0P6vYYZB0g= =e29l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig79F5D1A31281B02397C2FC5A-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu May 22 18:46:58 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B705E106564A for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sequethin@gmail.com) Received: from gv-out-0910.google.com (gv-out-0910.google.com [216.239.58.189]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37E068FC16 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 18:46:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sequethin@gmail.com) Received: by gv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id n8so117051gve.39 for ; Thu, 22 May 2008 11:46:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=F4jvylAjqJnnkIMOw36mtuRhaarzdHA5FvBG4sGx8GQ=; b=HDcf143QxB3X/sKRkkl9C46U7pZqkgpHg8+jZSUvOJl85kk0ev5Fw7K38TaaYSstB29UAxIwdZyR7ZrCzbJnZ38Gz3Flpunh3bvVdJAWM54v0fBRnqM5vAGPpn0kWDiL4dvTSxXHztDL0jgSbox4a6cutdE1b1A83yVpllPcqzw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=cc:message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references:x-mailer; b=Sw6+d4MQEuPF/oRs1Ies72PFt/MvuRms25goTCSk7hDPEJwS9yHEGd5yE5bTjs9tR+qJvzIt2XOHyVV370lWfMMBFEf2J2qHsBZe3XcFx/sNQbFpZxPI0oO43ptLLD6K5bCTS1yznj4If5xNmWmwuERkInVYEHgEeClYr7jhkSc= Received: by 10.150.78.41 with SMTP id a41mr640028ybb.181.1211480500674; Thu, 22 May 2008 11:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ws28-2ub35105q8.sillerwilk.com ( [204.107.76.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 26sm5402982wra.41.2008.05.22.11.21.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 22 May 2008 11:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: Michael Hernandez To: Chuck Robey In-Reply-To: <4835AFE5.2000000@telenix.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v919.2) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:21:14 -0400 References: <4835AFE5.2000000@telenix.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.919.2) Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: if you don't get this X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:46:58 -0000 your jpg was removed by the list mailer :( can you email it to me directly (assuming it's not goatse, 2girl, etc) lol --Mike H On May 22, 2008, at 1:39 PM, Chuck Robey wrote: > then you haven't got a sense of humor, this is the best I've see > lately. Do > yourself a favor, I've attached a jpg, if your mailer doesn't inline > it, go out > of your way and display it, it's worth your time! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri May 23 05:01:46 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E5411065679 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 05:01:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.92]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B4398FC36 for ; Fri, 23 May 2008 05:01:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from solarux@hotmail.com) Received: from BAY113-W53 ([65.54.168.153]) by bay0-omc1-s20.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 22 May 2008 22:01:45 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [99.241.18.57] From: Rick Nekus To: Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:01:45 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <37f72b1f0805181411h7bd0415eh19a16dcfad75d72@mail.gmail.com> References: <46DBF48E.7030806@gmail.com> <46DC647F.2050109@ixsystems.com> <37f72b1f0805181411h7bd0415eh19a16dcfad75d72@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2008 05:01:45.0378 (UTC) FILETIME=[192E7020:01C8BC92] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: RE: freebsdmall.com prices X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 05:01:46 -0000 "> I think the $40 dollars for the professionally packaged 4 CD set is not = only> an inexpensive investment for a little piece of internet history for = each> FreeBSD release, but it is also a tremendous help offsetting a portio= n of> the costs for our advocacy and hardware support efforts for the FreeB= SD> Project.>> best,> -matt" =20 -I totally aggree with the above and more, I have bought PCBSD , and am go= ing to order FreeBSD7 a freind of mine spent $399.00 (CDN) last year for WinVista-OEM-64-bit. He's now back to WinXP -need I say more ? =20 I mean for $50 ?!, even $50/year, is a good "investment" in FreeBSD/PCBSD = for me anyways. and if everybody did that a lot of users', like me, wouldn= 't need Windows, not to mention, PC hardware architecture's could really fl= ourish("develop"), and become a lot better... =20 ...so there. :) =20 =20 Rick. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 > Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 17:11:37 -0400> From: saltmiser@gmail.com> To: mat= t@ixsystems.com> CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: freebsdmall.com= prices> > On Mon, Sep 3, 2007 at 3:46 PM, Matt Olander wrote:> > deeptech71@gmail.com wrote:> >>> >> I've just looked at the pri= ces at www.freebsdmall.com, and found that they> >> are overwhelming. A ful= l FreeBSD release costs like 40$. 40$?! HOLY SHIT!> >> Who would buy it for= that much money when you can download it for free? Now> >> you might think= that giving 40$ is a great way for supporting the project.> >> But is free= bsdmall associated with the core team in any way? OK, even if it> >> is, I = think there would be more income, if there were a reasonable price. Or> >> = does mailing a 4 CD set or a DVD really cost that much money?! Either way, = I> >> think it is still more financially efficient if users download a copy= and> >> donate like 35$ via some online method. Don't give me wrong. Of co= urse there> >> are people without online access or CD/DVD burners, but thos= e are rare case> >> exceptions. Am I wrong? Is it not how this thing works?= Are lots of people> >> really buying freebsdmall products keenly/willingly= every time for some> >> reason?> >> > Hi,> >> > In fact, one of the core t= eam members, Murray Stokely, is on the FreeBSD> > Mall payroll. Also, in th= e past few months alone, we've donated over $20k> > USD in modern server ha= rdware for FreeBSD development, made possible in part> > due to the revenue= generated by the mall. The FreeBSD Mall also provides us> > with merchandi= se that we use to promote FreeBSD at trade shows that we> > attend at a cos= t of several thousand dollars per show.> >> > I think the $40 dollars for t= he professionally packaged 4 CD set is not only> > an inexpensive investmen= t for a little piece of internet history for each> > FreeBSD release, but i= t is also a tremendous help offsetting a portion of> > the costs for our ad= vocacy and hardware support efforts for the FreeBSD> > Project.> >> > best,= > > -matt> >> > --> > Matt Olander> > CTO, iXsystems - "Servers for Open So= urce" http://www.iXsystems.com> > Public Relations, The FreeBSD Project htt= p://www.FreeBSD.org> > BSD on the Desktop! http://www.pcbsd.org> > Phone: (= 408)943-4100 ext. 113 Fax: (408)943-4101> >> > ____________________________= ___________________> > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list> > http://list= s.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat> > To unsubscribe, send any mai= l to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"> >> Perhaps though, if it was s= ay $20 more people would buy it. But the> question is, would twice as many = people buy it?> > > -- > Jim Capozzoli> D6499626857801B6065013E3645A6B75> _= ______________________________________________> freebsd-chat@freebsd.org ma= iling list> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat> To unsu= bscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" _________________________________________________________________