From owner-freebsd-wip-status@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Dec 24 13:40:48 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-wip-status@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C59D1065675 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from romain@blogreen.org) Received: from postfix2-g20.free.fr (postfix2-g20.free.fr [212.27.60.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 121188FC08 for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:40:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from romain@blogreen.org) Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr (smtp6-g19.free.fr [212.27.42.36]) by postfix2-g20.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FA2F2E389AE for ; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:10:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFC443F; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:10:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from marvin.blogreen.org (marvin.blogreen.org [82.247.213.140]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F6F6F8; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:10:12 +0100 (CET) Received: by marvin.blogreen.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 58AE05C10F; Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:10:12 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:10:12 +0100 From: Romain =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tarti=E8re?= To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-wip-status@FreeBSD.org Message-ID: <20081224131012.GA8392@blogreen.org> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.org, freebsd-wip-status@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-PGP-Key: http://romain.blogreen.org/pubkey.asc X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:49:42 +0000 Cc: Subject: TeXLive X-BeenThere: freebsd-wip-status@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Work-In-Progress Status List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:40:48 -0000 --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! There have been numerous mails about adding ports for TeXLive to FreeBSD [1,2,3,4], unfortunately, nothing is available so far. Since I really think TeXLive can be a plus for FreeBSD, and because I use TeXLive on another system, I started another effort to bring it to the ports tree. In order to avoid loosing everything if I run out of time, I created a Google code project for working: http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/ Currently, I have all TeXLive binaries compiling from source (installation is still not perfect though) and quite a precise idea of how all TeXLive distfiles are organised and how to build FreeBSD ports from the metadata they enclose (refer to the project's wiki for details, I am trying to dump all there [5]). I am now facing the problem of the organisation of the ports to create. The freebsd-ports archives reveal some interesting points: 1. TeXLive should be very modular It is then possible to run a version of XeTeX more recent then the one provided with TeXLive (i.e. compile TeXLive --without-xetex and depend on a port print/xetex-devel). 2. TeXLive should be provided as 3-4 packages just like teTeX It is the way teTeX fits in the FreeBSD ports tree, and TeXLive is then kind-of a drop-in replacement of teTeX. 3. TeXLive should be provided as ~10 packages TeXLive is too big to be included as just 3-4 packages, but splitting everything will create 100's of ports and this will be a mess. So group all in say 10 ports and it will be a good compromise. 4. TeXLive should be provided as many many small packages If I need a package, I don't want to install a set of thousands of packages to have it: I just want it to be available and install it. If we consider that ports are build from source, it important to know that TeXLive provide a single tarball for all applications binaries source code. All the rest (macros, fonts, etc.) is provided as a lot of small tarball. As a consequence, I see #1 as =C2=AB Split the applications =C2=BB, and #2, #3 and #4 as =C2=AB Split the rest =C2=BB. But maybe the qu= estion is more about =C2=AB Split both =C2=BB. For now, I do not intend to make the port that install all binaries a meta-port (so no #1). It is quite huge and complex, include modified version of libraries that are statically linked to the binaries, ... well, I don't want to spend time on this right now (maybe in the future but unsure =E2=80=94 However, contributions are welcomed). Splitting the rest (#2, #3, #4) is another problem: I am convinced that is is important to have very low granularity for experienced users: as an unexperienced TeX user, I would need this, so I guess that anybody with more skills than I have will think the same. But having a lot of ports does not necessarily leads to complexity to beginners, since we can provide meta-ports (just like Xorg). The big picture: TeXLive provide 5229 packages ... Well... We can remove more than 1200 packages of binaries for various platforms, and there is still distfiles related to the TeXLive installation system that are not needed on FreeBSD. So basically, we have 4000 distfiles to arrange in ports. Some of the distfiles are sort of meta-packages, this helps grouping [5, Categories]. Here are some ports organisation possibilities: 1. One port per Scheme (10 ports) + very few ports; - low granularity; - each port conflict with others. 2. One port per Collection (84 ports) + One meta-port per Scheme (10 Meta-ports) + no conflict (AFAIK); - low granularity. 3. One port per Package, grouping related packages (e.g. foo, foo.source and foo.doc) (/[0-9]{4}/ ports) + meta-port for Collections (84 meta-ports) + meta-port for Scheme (10 meta-ports) + high granularity; + no conflict; - many ports. 4. Same as #3 without grouping packages + highest granularity; - many many ports. I am in favor of #3 since it allows TeXLive users to install a basic set that fit their needs (a beginner will install the full scheme meta-package and have everything, another will choose a minimal scheme, another will directory install the collections he wants, it is possible to install a particular package without installing loads of other packages (say you have a document that use svninfo for example and you don't have / want collection-latexextra)). I would however be pleased to read what teTeX/TeXLive [future] users think about all this. With kind regards, Romain References: 1. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2007-July/042729.html 2. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports/2007-December/045860.= html 3. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2007-October/1614= 92.html 4. http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2003-November/0007= 05.html 5. http://code.google.com/p/freebsd-texlive/wiki/source --=20 Romain Tarti=C3=A8re http://romain.blogreen.or= g/ pgp: 8DAB A124 0DA4 7024 F82A E748 D8E9 A33F FF56 FF43 (ID: 0xFF56FF43) (plain text =3Dnon-HTML=3D PGP/GPG encrypted/signed e-mail much appreciated) --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklSNLQACgkQ2OmjP/9W/0ODfwCeI5LItGuezw8MUXUCY/dZ8DTq uKUAn0uzYAeBa4oy5FkP3xE78L1IjaUP =M7Oi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga--