From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 11:02:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 814DB1065672 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:02:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02F668FC18 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:02:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2OB1kX0035970; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:02:09 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n2OB1kAa035969; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:01:46 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:01:46 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200903241101.n2OB1kAa035969@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <20090320230534.GC77783@albert.catwhisker.org> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 12:02:09 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: spamassassin helps lots, but I'm tired of sorting the ?backscatter ; -) X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:02:11 -0000 David Wolfskill wrote: > Oliver Fromme wrote: > > ... > > The only reasonable thing you can do with spam is drop it > > to /dev/null. If it makes you feel better, you can create > > a symlink /dev/painful_death -> /dev/null and instruct > > your mail filter to drop spam there instead. > > With respect, my preferred approach differs slightly. > > I instruct my MTA to reject (or, in certain special cases, silently > discard) the spam during the SMTP conversation. Of course. That goes without saying. My wording should have been clearer: The only reasonable thing you can do with spam that your MTA had to accept during the SMTP protocol (for whatever reason). Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "A misleading benchmark test can accomplish in minutes what years of good engineering can never do." -- Dilbert (2009-03-02) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 18:22:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DC3106564A for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com (n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com [216.252.100.57]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AFA98FC15 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:22:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matt@ixsystems.com) Received: from [68.142.194.244] by n6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2009 18:22:52 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.253] by t2.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2009 18:22:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Mar 2009 18:22:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 983192.57970.bm@omp414.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 15340 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2009 18:22:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.221?) (matt@99.0.6.240 with plain) by smtp104.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Mar 2009 18:22:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0DFIdvcVM1nDPJtGe1TCflZ2Ir13va0tpX8w0KU8Z855pfl4iogRJKmkJmDZv4NbbP6zIIJjsE77Ky9Op0t9Y6VNtlhvgoVUlJVZMuBSpvKkM5H3ZeZ5f9G881ogELU.V5o_eFxpTqPb3uYjU1yLO_6s X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-Id: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> From: Matt Olander To: FreeBSD Chat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 11:22:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) Subject: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:22:53 -0000 Hi! Is anybody into astronomy on FreeBSD? I'd love to hook up a telescope to my FreeBSD laptop and use some software to control it while we look at stars on the monitor, zoom in, and the scope moves. This would be fun taking to local astronomy groups as well as conferences :-) Any advice welcome! If anybody has a working setup, I'd love to hear details such as the brand/model of scope and the software that you're using on FreeBSD. Thanks! -matt From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 22:57:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1742106566B for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from cain.gsoft.com.au (cain.gsoft.com.au [203.31.81.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549768FC17 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) Received: from inchoate.localnet (ppp121-45-33-47.lns10.adl2.internode.on.net [121.45.33.47]) (authenticated bits=0) by cain.gsoft.com.au (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n2OMTLds003128 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:59:24 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from doconnor@gsoft.com.au) From: "Daniel O'Connor" To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:59:08 +1030 User-Agent: KMail/1.10.4 (Linux/2.6.27-11-generic; KDE/4.1.4; i686; ; ) References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart5080247.0SvcHKqhvY"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200903250859.17013.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> X-Spam-Score: -2.212 () BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.63 on 203.31.81.10 Cc: Matt Olander Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:57:08 -0000 --nextPart5080247.0SvcHKqhvY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 25 March 2009 04:52:50 Matt Olander wrote: > Hi! > > Is anybody into astronomy on FreeBSD? I'd love to hook up a telescope > to my FreeBSD laptop and use some software to control it while we look > at stars on the monitor, zoom in, and the scope moves. This would be > fun taking to local astronomy groups as well as conferences :-) > > Any advice welcome! If anybody has a working setup, I'd love to hear > details such as the brand/model of scope and the software that you're > using on FreeBSD. I don't have such a beastie but I believe there are a number of ports which= =20 can talk to telescopes via the serial port (eg xephem) =2D-=20 Daniel O'Connor software and network engineer for Genesis Software - http://www.gsoft.com.au "The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from." -- Andrew Tanenbaum GPG Fingerprint - 5596 B766 97C0 0E94 4347 295E E593 DC20 7B3F CE8C --nextPart5080247.0SvcHKqhvY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBJyV615ZPcIHs/zowRAnHIAJ0WjE51qcg17H8uFDMkOn8x3XTC2gCfTUR+ k5vik3cpbJxMWzchybns5yk= =O/W+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart5080247.0SvcHKqhvY-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 24 23:44:28 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B03281065673 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3E68FC2F for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:44:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so3153387wfg.7 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:44:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=qFNbsTUDoJbLUnZgtIUQhvhYx0L42wG5Ae/4XTnFwWw=; b=bsFrWLjv6QOq4GIJOqiNstSTUPOji+i3omDIv0JXd4vjCriFlkf2VM+05vdGL36Wpe o54vMPbMdO+/TGcYz3RjQQZmphTcvTwoAvA5EbDmHlBfisuOF0HYRi4h8C2pyqF5z7Gw 7LE6qANlwgvU464W4uR0gbYGx6OfGSObGGYPg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=GvXfuOQi16H+BiEKozDh2bleMVQBnjmOZOnhZpyj3Xqdbbu+ktF1LCWTIFMh0GKoKU iafMB8ybc7E9YoEAtVxYJsCBZ/IABURaD9KaqdmhYfdmpDX8B8HR8VCzQCxBKe/maa1b emggoMuq//CzrJnt/KYJ/8aJG8DMliW/IRTO8= Received: by 10.142.77.11 with SMTP id z11mr3610280wfa.277.1237938268034; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? (c-98-247-73-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.73.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm14432662wfg.43.2009.03.24.16.44.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49C97059.6010805@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:44:25 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> In-Reply-To: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060700020502090104060401" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:44:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060700020502090104060401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've always wanted to get more into astronomy but never had the time or the equipment. If anyone knows of more ways to get into the subject I would appreciate it. Matt Olander wrote: > Hi! > > Is anybody into astronomy on FreeBSD? I'd love to hook up a telescope > to my FreeBSD laptop and use some software to control it while we look > at stars on the monitor, zoom in, and the scope moves. This would be > fun taking to local astronomy groups as well as conferences :-) > > Any advice welcome! If anybody has a working setup, I'd love to hear > details such as the brand/model of scope and the software that you're > using on FreeBSD. > > Thanks! > -matt > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --------------060700020502090104060401-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 00:51:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFDA106564A for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:51:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 91BD18FC0C for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:51:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: (qmail 76130 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2009 00:24:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (ken@75.4.51.155 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2009 00:24:54 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 9ly7mw8VM1ky9nAML9ANBvgqjCTN2EQT.Kra4VHwxJRa08EUB8CqZriSqokNYdErfkEHD_dVY644WL4KUFdnA5eyg.LvgBNJ6LYIR06xpITuhhtzV5jK3CgMifqHBqTBWWPYi9vVy0H8Dum7YP.Tkx2WYdh9_SzpKAhfFI3wt3EHt1ksXh2kZ5xOI9IV X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <49C97059.6010805@gmail.com> References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> <49C97059.6010805@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Stox Organization Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:24:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1237940692.27702.9.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ken@stox.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:51:35 -0000 On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 16:44 -0700, james michael wrote: > I've always wanted to get more into astronomy but never had the time or > the equipment. If anyone knows of more ways to get into the subject I > would appreciate it. 1) Install astro/xephem. 2) Buy a telescope. 3) ???? 4) Profit! From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 01:06:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79FC8106567C for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D708FC17 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesthefishy@gmail.com) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 24so3184554wfg.7 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:06:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=YxKn3COdsW9W8R3QRVVbHBIyDvvK51OuU5PKdj0N53s=; b=rmLJnDr9frGlZBELe9huIuLb65gjvSZPBPVqt6j3xo0HqzNpZOEiInDD1Bpo2jshQv 8goW7xsPLaS1jErIctdj/rMiCX+jAmoQ5I0b5vf2U1Rw4h8PMcrBe/oJJijQ7GRbYg0k TEdY5KVLZCKGmi7V/LYuMs8pLoowr6WqvJ86s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; b=Ys/byc7KdKbvZlW7c+uB2RWE0sOlWc2ww3oei+ta7huZfHKVMpH0v/qASwDl5YXkbO k4Le1VDymdqqDATcxmIqGFyovtbn+TfBFVVgDd8fwmUAlNqhCjCFDRZJU5YjJXuHNwe9 f/i/Q5j4AbNZRVZvNdeRtvbX3jn2RZd+qMib4= Received: by 10.142.231.7 with SMTP id d7mr3635490wfh.318.1237943209896; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.3? (c-98-247-73-68.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [98.247.73.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm14481714wfd.46.2009.03.24.18.06.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49C983A7.7050900@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:06:47 -0700 From: james michael User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Chat References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> <49C97059.6010805@gmail.com> <1237940692.27702.9.camel@stox.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <1237940692.27702.9.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050900050109010500000507" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:06:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050900050109010500000507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any public use astronomy servers? you know sign up and use a telescope via the server? Kenneth P. Stox wrote: > On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 16:44 -0700, james michael wrote: > >> I've always wanted to get more into astronomy but never had the time or >> the equipment. If anyone knows of more ways to get into the subject I >> would appreciate it. >> > > 1) Install astro/xephem. > 2) Buy a telescope. > 3) ???? > 4) Profit! > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > --------------050900050109010500000507-- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 02:28:11 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847AF106566B for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:28:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com (smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com [68.142.229.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 159E68FC14 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: (qmail 34471 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2009 02:28:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (ken@75.4.51.155 with login) by smtp101.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2009 02:28:10 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8DRl6YYVM1niJY6tSq38J8e4CL5FBRKdWyOpAUSRZUDgzA0axiJdHtHShwJywH36XFhS5xddLTJNSVnLoOzdlZ8PXHAouahllH4i4ndXlRBdBjcXMThpTEvCpXRa8lKFTWdT96.XiE7fPz6UW4zUZhPdWPrih2qivNO4_OXbzdqFk2O5Hm7zJHLGBuQh X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <49C983A7.7050900@gmail.com> References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> <49C97059.6010805@gmail.com> <1237940692.27702.9.camel@stox.dyndns.org> <49C983A7.7050900@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Stox Organization Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:28:09 -0500 Message-Id: <1237948089.7906.6.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ken@stox.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:28:11 -0000 On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 18:06 -0700, james michael wrote: > Are there any public use astronomy servers? you know sign up and use a > telescope via the server? Some astronomical societies have setups for members that I have heard of. Try contacting one in your area. I am not aware of any open to the public servers. There are also some companies that sell access to their telescopes. Of course, you can always write a proposal to the Space Telescope Institute and see if you can get some Hubble time. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 03:04:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09CD9106564A for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:04:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from melanie.vonfange@gmail.com) Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C792D8FC25 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:04:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from melanie.vonfange@gmail.com) Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 5so1818373ywh.13 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:04:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:36:15 -0500 Received: by 10.143.3.16 with SMTP id f16mr3671430wfi.344.1237948590505; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9df43a1e0903241936n2a7176e5l554dad88ab7dc37a@mail.gmail.com> From: Melanie Vonfange To: Matt Olander Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 03:04:40 -0000 On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > Hi! > > Is anybody into astronomy on FreeBSD? I'd love to hook up a telescope to my > FreeBSD laptop and use some software to control it while we look at stars on > the monitor, zoom in, and the scope moves. This would be fun taking to local > astronomy groups as well as conferences :-) > > Any advice welcome! If anybody has a working setup, I'd love to hear details > such as the brand/model of scope and the software that you're using on > FreeBSD. > > Thanks! > Hey Matt! :) Our Preschooler is getting into astronomy and so we have been using Celestia. It's an Open Source 3D deep space simulator. It doesn't have a FreeBSD version yet, but the source code is available on the site http://www.shatters.net/celestia/download.html I know it isn't exactly what you are looking for, but it might be a nice thing to look into while you search! - Melanie From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 04:02:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B16C1065732 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexsm@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f176.google.com (mail-gx0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02E368FC12 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:02:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexsm@gmail.com) Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so9772213gxk.19 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:02:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :received:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=MJ66cEMHSXeDHRaUbDupT0NIYnDKf5KTy/SZz/w4tWE=; b=vao3o78j3lWHexeCNEQQOFt4TgDJI1AdWxjuZKsxKIJEQ8FqpXPrUHMsYh/5Xntg0j UpkLROb/AmnTbOsiu2nJGVNF+aMWHO591k42oDFmAX3rTVC9uT4ubR9hgyuRiIJIbYf+ Mq32qMF248TUjF5sxqg0qst1vwJd/u0ihxApg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=p+7rTVlG/jHXN3Rtt7kH7Rwj8m9VJ/bkzX5i7n6hvTl4w0m/7411bmsskUaafpX17C FMD5+PEx695X8XFjL/bpLUv3pKM/2MN2AL9tv4k5Mn1WYZ/ryTMZO+K0Q8xtTRhWdYM+ yIE6QeolorbLPVXwfhiCzqvKKLdNwRHijbzUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9df43a1e0903241936n2a7176e5l554dad88ab7dc37a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> <9df43a1e0903241936n2a7176e5l554dad88ab7dc37a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:30:23 -0300 Received: by 10.90.56.17 with SMTP id e17mr1955826aga.83.1237951839042; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Alex Moura To: Melanie Vonfange Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Matt Olander , FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 04:02:07 -0000 On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Melanie Vonfange wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Is anybody into astronomy on FreeBSD? I'd love to hook up a telescope to > my > > FreeBSD laptop and use some software to control it while we look at stars > on > > the monitor, zoom in, and the scope moves. This would be fun taking to > local > > astronomy groups as well as conferences :-) > > > > Any advice welcome! If anybody has a working setup, I'd love to hear > details > > such as the brand/model of scope and the software that you're using on > > FreeBSD. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Hey Matt! :) Our Preschooler is getting into astronomy and so we have > been using Celestia. It's an Open Source 3D deep space simulator. > It doesn't have a FreeBSD version yet, but the source code is > available on the site http://www.shatters.net/celestia/download.html > > I know it isn't exactly what you are looking for, but it might be a > nice thing to look into while you search! > > - Melanie > Hi, There's also Stellarium - already in ports - wich happens to have some telescope integration: http://stellarium.sf.net http://www.stellarium.org/wiki/index.php/Telescope_Control http://www.stellarium.org/wiki/index.php/Telescope_Compatibility http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Board/nexstargps/Number/2023993/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/o/fpart/all Maybe this will work. - Alex From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 02:29:20 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 362C81065672 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:29:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from negrea_stefan@yahoo.com) Received: from web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.200.151]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EBC398FC1C for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:29:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from negrea_stefan@yahoo.com) Received: (qmail 73759 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Mar 2009 02:02:38 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1237946558; bh=KWXkDgLZAIjBVEkGP1YjXQHIC28wQN1wz1UMjlQKw70=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Z7Qqy22uDh54GYyfLmLZVwbASiF4f3mLjWMOIID+rrqWyF2/CYBEKua3Hf9Gi6nDe+Qn87FnKxtDBQNv1VLGkQqpWAI24QyuIfXUZuqGiI3uGlZmDHOkIkPV5JYDoysOQLziBZmOQnW4ytP2tr4g6PSiY34gk6OUElqNgKZ6uzs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3PU1Q17amx7EKJ0jVG+cls0TxoKGjJDI6RCS9IjaYF/XiMRlHF0oXFFqonlE6WoOMdbjcEuSf5zl6t+jy2wLyieNHLqWKEN7VVdzkmyIF3Ox71zg5jWvJstFiVZd2MaM89zR39VJvIQkajT43xhyye+lbxIMLcPfX4SRp/3Sofs=; Message-ID: <474191.72749.qm@web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DzmXR7AVM1mXcHTPELAMn1C3WC1MYF4Fy_Wt.M7.SDrZ8dOCo83z0Xa5OOur913Yf8ugzZ1uBV3vSycOIv0DJVky9X3_afnczb483rWp1B_axQ2dTRnN8nUIrTKRjh_EoS5lV5PhXvyhnArgwfm_LA0i.M19W7knHzSwxnWag4OLmXJKCJRPsEaZM_WRP5_.VW5xC0hxHe6Dw8H4I6f39xRDH8iAMRw- Received: from [129.110.242.7] by web30808.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:02:38 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.1.20 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Stefan Negrea To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:14:46 +0000 Subject: Software Development Process Help X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: negrea_stefan@yahoo.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:29:21 -0000 Hello Everybody,=0A=0AOver the past couple of months I documented a new sof= tware development process for open source projects and communities. The new= process attempts to address shortcomings of existing major software develo= pment processes and build upon existing attempts of open source communities= . A document with a detailed description of the process along with a short = presentation of the process can be found in the survey described below. Thi= s work will be my thesis for a Master=E2=80=99s degree in Software Engineer= ing.=0A=0AI would need help from open source contributors to validate my wo= rk. I created a simple survey with seven basic questions that would help un= derstand if the process is applicable and viable in the open source space. = The survey can be found here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=3D= en&formkey=3DcFg5UUVKakwyOTJ2eDhNWDM5WUlfVlE6MA . The survey is completely = anonymous. I apologize in advance for any grammatical errors or mistakes; t= he document is a rough draft (I am editing the document everyday).=0A=0AAny= help would be greatly appreciated and acknowledged!=0A=0APlease feel free = to contact me for any additional details or questions. =0A=0AThank you,=0AS= tefan From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 06:06:31 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FD3B106566C for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:06:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: from smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com (smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com [66.196.96.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C58E8FC16 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:06:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ken@stox.org) Received: (qmail 28987 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2009 05:39:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.100?) (ken@75.4.51.155 with login) by smtp123.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2009 05:39:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: yVXDQOYVM1l.0H8OPr9SfhS9IELkzpeR9_P2QA_k4MlQlFK1zk.LuVxERAZ1MeVUM6Enw6qr30OTIkLE6U.Nw5nbPcYWMS6fFhDpbcbJawNtGpFF7Uj3cYttLkikHZ8kuhpMFcExL6GqPD_NdG6YtbhJIedqeiuSMi0eE_hjq5C0pgKmSfaIDI4Kh0RaJMPc7YR7ghCYHikGOrI8zKd_KLFakFc0livA7g-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" To: FreeBSD Chat In-Reply-To: <9df43a1e0903241936n2a7176e5l554dad88ab7dc37a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> <9df43a1e0903241936n2a7176e5l554dad88ab7dc37a@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Stox Organization Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 00:39:47 -0500 Message-Id: <1237959587.14236.2.camel@stox.dyndns.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ken@stox.org List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:06:31 -0000 On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 21:36 -0500, Melanie Vonfange wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Is anybody into astronomy on FreeBSD? I'd love to hook up a telescope to my > > FreeBSD laptop and use some software to control it while we look at stars on > > the monitor, zoom in, and the scope moves. This would be fun taking to local > > astronomy groups as well as conferences :-) > > > > Any advice welcome! If anybody has a working setup, I'd love to hear details > > such as the brand/model of scope and the software that you're using on > > FreeBSD. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Hey Matt! :) Our Preschooler is getting into astronomy and so we have > been using Celestia. It's an Open Source 3D deep space simulator. > It doesn't have a FreeBSD version yet, but the source code is > available on the site http://www.shatters.net/celestia/download.html > > I know it isn't exactly what you are looking for, but it might be a > nice thing to look into while you search! Celestia is in ports/astro/celestia, celestia-gnome, celestia-gtk. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 06:10:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80FF210656C5 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from out3.smtp.messagingengine.com (out3.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 577688FC2D for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:10:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828422FD536; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:10:03 -0400 X-Sasl-enc: ZZQux/BYL2P7UHeNy/cyj0CMV6s5a83QuqMkW0/DfUAL 1237961403 Received: from [10.0.1.4] (c-66-41-132-62.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [66.41.132.62]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F0D953B76; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: From: Josh Paetzel To: Matt Olander In-Reply-To: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.4) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 01:09:58 -0500 References: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.4) Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:10:04 -0000 On Mar 24, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Matt Olander wrote: > Hi! > > Is anybody into astronomy on FreeBSD? I'd love to hook up a > telescope to my FreeBSD laptop and use some software to control it > while we look at stars on the monitor, zoom in, and the scope moves. > This would be fun taking to local astronomy groups as well as > conferences :-) > > Any advice welcome! If anybody has a working setup, I'd love to hear > details such as the brand/model of scope and the software that > you're using on FreeBSD. > > Thanks! > -matt > cd /usr/ports/astro/xephem && make maintainer *cough* The makers of xephem also created a protocol called INDI that allows xephem to control hardware. They have drivers for Meade, Celestron, and Takahasi telescopes. Thanks, Josh Paetzel From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 08:54:46 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBBC51065674 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (lurza.secnetix.de [IPv6:2a01:170:102f::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E9DA8FC2C for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:54:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olli@lurza.secnetix.de) Received: from lurza.secnetix.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n2P8sLL7014098; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:54:44 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from oliver.fromme@secnetix.de) Received: (from olli@localhost) by lurza.secnetix.de (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n2P8sLnX014097; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:54:21 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from olli) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:54:21 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <200903250854.n2P8sLnX014097@lurza.secnetix.de> From: Oliver Fromme To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, matt@ixsystems.com In-Reply-To: <8B3758D3-C067-43B1-A62F-DD7B7537793D@ixsystems.com> X-Newsgroups: list.freebsd-chat User-Agent: tin/1.8.3-20070201 ("Scotasay") (UNIX) (FreeBSD/6.4-PRERELEASE-20080904 (i386)) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.1.2 (lurza.secnetix.de [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:54:45 +0100 (CET) Cc: Subject: Re: FreeBSD and Astronomy X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG, matt@ixsystems.com List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 08:54:47 -0000 Hi Since nobody has mentioned "nova" so far ... http://www.secnetix.de/tools/porgle/?w=d&q=telescope+control astro/nova An Integrated Observational Environment for amateur astronomers The Nova project is a free Integrated Observational Environment for amateur astronomers. It combines Ephemeris, Sky view, Observatory control and basic Image manipulation functionality into a single application. Features * Virtual view of night sky * Ephemeris calculation and plotting. * Telescope control * CCD control * Image manipulation * Supports most ASCII astronomical object catalogs * Automatic scheduling of observational activity. WWW: http://nova.sourceforge.net/ Note that I haven't used this port myswlf, so I can't tell for sure how good it is. But according to the description it might be useful for you. Best regards Oliver -- Oliver Fromme, secnetix GmbH & Co. KG, Marktplatz 29, 85567 Grafing b. M. Handelsregister: Registergericht Muenchen, HRA 74606, Geschäftsfuehrung: secnetix Verwaltungsgesellsch. mbH, Handelsregister: Registergericht Mün- chen, HRB 125758, Geschäftsführer: Maik Bachmann, Olaf Erb, Ralf Gebhart FreeBSD-Dienstleistungen, -Produkte und mehr: http://www.secnetix.de/bsd "Clear perl code is better than unclear awk code; but NOTHING comes close to unclear perl code" (taken from comp.lang.awk FAQ) From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 25 17:12:54 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1B41065948 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (p65-147.acedsl.com [66.114.65.147]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2E98FC14 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@stringsutils.com) Received: from zoraida.natserv.net (zoraida.natserv.net [66.114.65.147]) by zoraida.natserv.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 778D217049; Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:12:53 -0400 (EDT) References: <20090319142509.35e85d80@asus> Message-ID: X-Mailer: http://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ From: Francisco Reyes To: Rick N Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 13:12:53 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Talking of FreeBSD bounties, VMWare 6.x? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 17:12:57 -0000 Rick N writes: > I understand Vmware is commercial, but what about Sun's/OpenSolaris's > xVM, (VirtualBox) its free. If I recall correctly... At one point someone from Sun/Virtualbox was looking for someone to do PAID work to get FreeBSD to work with Virtualbox. They could not find a single person to take on the task. The way I see it, if they can not get someone to do paid work, then there is little hope to see virtualization in the short term. From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Mar 26 20:07:19 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3B22106566B for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: from mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BABA8FC15 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:07:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuckr@telenix.org) Received: (qmail 26177 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2009 19:40:38 -0000 Received: from april.chuckr.org (HELO april.telenix.org) (chuckr@[66.92.151.30]) (envelope-sender ) by mail3.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 26 Mar 2009 19:40:38 -0000 Message-ID: <49CBDA3A.5010704@telenix.org> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:40:42 -0400 From: Chuck Robey User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090121) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randy Bush References: <995845.90009.qm@web63905.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <49CA6754.4030302@elischer.org> <49CAC20E.3020602@telenix.org> <49CAC8FE.5050708@elischer.org> <790a9fff0903251858w713adf32n85761295e42524d3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 OpenPGP: id=F3DCA0E9; url=http://pgp.mit.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: chat@freebsd.org, Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: Telnet root login X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 20:07:20 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 This subject hasn't for anything at all to do with current, fellas, let's move it to chat, ok? it's going to get you into public trouble. Randy Bush wrote: >>> tar cjf - . | ssh user@hostb "(cd /desired/path; tar xjf -)" >> But I can't get full wire speed with ssh; with rsh I can. > > you want security? then it costs a bit. the times i want full wire > speed are rare. the times i want security are not. A common misconception among folks is that the full 1024 (or even bigger) key is only used for figuring out who you are (called authentication), and after you've got yourself authenticated, a fast algorithm (like IDEA, but it's configureable) is what's used, for speed. You need to be doing a lot of downloading of big files in order to feel the slowdown. Yeah, you do lose a very small amount, but not too much, IDEA's pretty efficient. And that complaint about rsh, ssh is usable to pass along shell commands, just the same way. I sometimes use a command like: ssh targetmachine lpr < filetoprint when I want to put some file on my local machine into the print queue of a foreign machine. It' executes lpr on the foreign machine, and transfers the file for you. Is that the kind of stuff you want in rsh, doable in ssh? If you've ever used rcp, you have (for ssh) scp, and I've always found the command syntax pretty simple. I just don't see where the ssh tools are inferior, in actual operation. The only thing zI really need to admit is that it seems like all the man pages ever written for any security stuff, their always written in a very hard to understand way, so it's hard to get started in ssh, harder than it has to be, but it's a fantastic tool. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknL2joACgkQz62J6PPcoOmOwQCdHfQYlCSpqUAB0HCr268T38Ut C/oAn2ckv3Ik2o7fTlq9XHEUW7NTJO9p =u4g/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Mar 27 01:27:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EAFA106564A for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:27:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hg@queue.to) Received: from pickle.queue.to (pickle.queue.to [71.180.69.18]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A980B8FC0C for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:27:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hg@queue.to) Received: (qmail 68363 invoked from network); 26 Mar 2009 21:00:35 -0400 Received: from cally.queue.to (172.16.0.6) by with ESMTP; 26 Mar 2009 21:00:35 -0400 Message-ID: <49CC2533.9070001@queue.to> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:00:35 -0400 From: Howard Goldstein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Need DNS secondarying X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:27:17 -0000 Help, my DNS secondary has gone dark and I don't think he's coming back. I really need a secondarying of my three domains (one a local law office and the other two my vanity domains). These are low volume, we're talking about 1000 additional DNS queries/day and the zone records change maybe three or four times a year. The primary is on fiber at ns0.queue.to/71.180.69.18 running tinydns. Not spam. Unfortunately not pr0n either. In exchange I can secondary your stuff. Thanks, Howard, Sarasota Florida US