From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 15:46:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C2B106564A for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:46:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AF98FC1F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:46:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from 2ao1z ([24.195.232.37]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090125151626.LELL2046.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@2ao1z> for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:16:26 +0000 From: "Lawrence Auster" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:16:25 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <20090125151626.LELL2046.cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com@2ao1z> Subject: Why are the Zionist leaders in Israel so happy about the new President? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lawrence.auster@att.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:46:52 -0000 Why is the President of Israel, the terrorist who just oversaw the Zionist mass murder and maiming of thousands of Palestinians so happy that Obama is President of the USA? by David Duke Read the excerpt from the Israeli News about how President Perez and Israel think that Obama’s becoming U.S. President is great day for Israel. "Israel’s President Shimon Peres ecstatic over the election of Obama" Ronen Medzini Israel News Jan. 21 “Today is a great day not only for the United States of America, but for the entire world,” President Shimon Peres wrote in a letter addressed to Barack Obama on the day of his inauguration as president of the United States. “Obama was elected by the United States, but as a matter of fact, he was chosen by the whole of humankind,” Why is Peres so ecstatic? Why shouldn’t he be, he knows that Obama is completely in the grip of the extremist Jewish Zionists in America, and he knows that the greater Obama’s popularity and idol worship, the more Obama can do for the International Zionist Cause. Any thinking and caring human being who realizes that the Zionist-controlled American foreign policy has been a disaster for the robbed and murdered people of Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and a catastrophe for the 50,000 American wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as an economic catastrophe for the hardworking Americans who pay trillions to finance these wars for Israel — must wake up the fact that supporting Obama and increasing his popularity will only aid Zionist terrorism, war, and their murder and oppression of the Palestinians. It will also hasten the economic suffering of billions of people around the world as his popularity enables him to more easily aid the Zionist International Bankers steal the wealth of the United States, Europe and the world. Obama is totally in the bloodstained and green ink- stained hands of the Zionists. The hard truth is that the more good will and support Obama has also gives more power to support the Zionist agenda! Mark my words. The Obama Presidency will be disaster for America and for the world. Obama was put into office by the Zionists. His top two cohorts for years have been the radical Jews David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel. Both have long records of radical Zionism and have been attack dogs against anyone perceived as having the slightest opposition to Israel. One such victim was Sen. Charles Percy, who both men worked to defeat and destroy because he dared to only be 99 percent rather than 100 percent pro-Israel. Rahm Emmanuel, a dual citizen of Israel who went to fight for Israel, he has a long pedigree of Jewish extremism. His father served in the Irgun Terrorist Gang and he himself is named after an Irgun terrorist. Zionist leaders in Chicago actually call Obama “the first Jewish President” and boast that Jews were key players in Obama’s every step up the ladder to President. from the very earliest days, extremist Jews were the largest contributors to his campaign. In the beginning of his Presidential bid, three Hollywood Jews that constantly make movies about Jewish suffering, but never about the Zionist terrorism and theft against the Palestinian people, Steven Spielberg, David Geffen, and Jeffrey Katzenberg raised 1.2 million for Obama in a single Hollywood party. By the time Obama’s campaign was in full swing, he had huge support from the criminal Zionist International Banking firms such as Goldman Sachs and Lehman brothers. Goldman Sachs was Obama’s biggest single contributor, and his vast war chest came not from American manufacturing firms like GM or even American oil companies, (not one was in his top twenty) it was overwhelmingly dominated by Zionist international bankers, the same ones whose thievery and fraud are giving the world this economic depression. For those looking for meaningful social and political change, do you really think it will come from this man who has already been bought heart, head and soul by the most powerful czars of the international financial establishment and the biggest globalists in the world? I know that many are desperate for change, so desperate that you want to believe anything. But in the face of these facts can’t you see that Obama will be even more dangerous to freedom and justice than even George Bush and his band of Neocons were. What better way to wipe out George Bush’s hated legacy and make the world believe that America has really changed than with the election of Obama. But, all the real Zionist power, Zionist media power, and Zionist financial power in America is still in place, even stronger than ever. Many Americans and others around the world who want to do good are now telling us how wonderful Obama will be as president. What a great change it will be from the old policies. This is because of the Zionist-Controlled media hype, promoting Obama. The fact is that these poor sods are ignorantly helping the radical Zionist agenda in Israel and around the world. Every day that you don’t help expose Obama for the Zionist servant that he actually is, his popularity will be a greater danger to peace and freedom. If the Zionist terrorist Shimon Perez is happy about the coronation of Obama, then why in the hell should you be? –David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/7303_7303.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Lawrence Auster Newletter. If you wish to unsubscribe from our mailing list, please let us know by calling to 1 212 865 1284 Thanks, Lawrence Auster, 238 W 101 St Apt. 3B New York, NY 10025 Contact: lawrence.auster@att.net ------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 25 17:07:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9378510656D0 for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:07:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) Received: from swip.net (mailfe06.swip.net [212.247.154.161]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D05C8FC1F for ; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:07:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hselasky@c2i.net) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=7iyMcDx83RMA:10 a=6e47nJ2lh-oA:10 a=Lhi_7EHEDo3AmONMFZIA:9 a=ufjOgat0diKcWww2SJ3BuDuqFmkA:4 a=50e4U0PicR4A:10 Received: from [85.19.218.115] (account mc467741@c2i.net HELO [10.37.1.92]) by mailfe06.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1186333909 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:07:01 +0100 From: Hans Petter Selasky To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:09:24 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200901251709.26316.hselasky@c2i.net> Subject: Increasing "outsider" spam on FreeBSD lists X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 17:07:04 -0000 Hi, Re: Why are the Zionist leaders in Israel so happy about the new President? This kind of e-mails have nothing to do here and should be deleted from the archive. And regarding the subject: I don't know. It's not my business. There are enough people tracking the middle-east conflict already. Go bug them! --HPS From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 09:13:03 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949F3106564A for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from won.derick@yahoo.com) Received: from n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52E1C8FC14 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:13:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from won.derick@yahoo.com) Received: from [68.142.194.243] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 09:00:24 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 09:00:24 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 09:00:24 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 937694.5090.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 39350 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2009 09:00:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=QO2sM3Y9sD6ESHx/nQrlTHzdRP9gqybpVAIwVnEFJd0V6rD+38pJwM7Q5/I+mjfwCk4S1Ve/RvJmjv44t705clc7lwk35zIQGnsmflwtXn0+COFXczRpySfDv6othlKf4J1pXM0XvAULyic5DiUH+8HnIuQtaJUmfu5buQucF5g=; X-YMail-OSG: A5w65BMVM1kfLASs1AF9edRcKUSlGxEmGyFIhqH6.zsAuaxih2Qdr6LySaLJ1MrFWNdoDHE_.DaWm4Hz70hHv2sz7mPIpwAoBluYXINEbq7T8HTm13WxwoyHzCUJRslmBHhgWxetmCP8jMP6ywVLpDWG5TY- Received: from [58.71.34.137] by web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:00:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: Won De Erick To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <424124.34947.qm@web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Subject: IPMI-SEL says System Event #0:System Reconfigured, but no actual changes made X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:13:03 -0000 Hi All, On IBMx3650 (IPMIv2.0-compliant), running FreeBSD6.2. I noticed that my system is halting services for around 4-5 minutes, without sufficient logs on the system (system.log) that can bring me to the right conclusion (whether caused by unexpected reboots, etc). I then retrieved the system event logs (SEL) from the baseboard chip using FreeIPMI v0.6.3, and noticed for multiple "System Event #0:System Reconfigured" logs. The latest would be "54:23-Jan-2009 11:28:55:System Event #0:System Reconfigured" This is somewhat weird, as I did NOT change any in the system (BIOS, OS, BMC firmware, etc.) This is the cause of service halts as verified though my mrtg, and the system uptime. I usually get logs like the following (e.g. only) when such unresponsiveness is due to watchdog triggering, 24-Jan-2009 17:09:30:Watchdog 2 Watchdog:Hard Reset OEM defined = 00 00 00 00 00 E3 25 86 80 00 00 FF 00 or is simply due to manual/unexpected reboot ("init 0"/kernel panic): OEM defined = 00 00 00 00 00 E3 25 86 80 00 00 FF 00 With these, I suspect that the unresponsiveness of the system is not caused by a REAL reboots. Is there any possibily that the system's uptime can be changed even without restarting the box? What was that "system event #0;system reconfigured" mean? Is this related to SMM switching? by an attacker? Thanks, Won From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 09:32:53 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39565106564A for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:32:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from won.derick@yahoo.com) Received: from n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.48]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E7BEE8FC18 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:32:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from won.derick@yahoo.com) Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n29.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 09:32:52 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.70] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 09:32:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 09:32:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 458941.6694.bm@omp422.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22627 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2009 09:32:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=JJKcry+iAdeO1FgSHSSKnwpkLfEipMMP2XJYMF611pvwdeoOVk+3p9/EbZhW4JJuINIiWHmtLdwo+QdHUknLs/OozyiWql3yzq8RX8HHNFDhrjBMarhEOV9gqul3Gdy/+cpJnge8H2xDtcTD7w9mTLKGK3LeFR73ZYb8SNazzh0=; X-YMail-OSG: GriBkT4VM1mIK0eMWc7t8970usegXu1nC7mP.Bymmx2d1Ls_.cjCveSfA62K2V2Ss26WWW6EUhFCE4hGIb3QPgStDw1pM6ZKu0_gh5ytBiWm9J4TrPiLuTwajF.pL0fgGfeXMw_5G7FlbblgjW8c4sprsdS7IuCtfd2uuGsMw1ZTGrE3dsP2mLxdw_hV4zALfh9tVFTKcD1MxPAj89XC7jgwCTa_ROhJ Received: from [58.71.34.137] by web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:32:51 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <424124.34947.qm@web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: Won De Erick To: Won De Erick , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <945337.21746.qm@web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: Re: IPMI-SEL says System Event #0:System Reconfigured, but no actual changes made X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:32:53 -0000 Is there any significant of the following? #dmesg ..... bce1: link state changed to DOWN bce1: link state changed to UP .... Can this result into the significant log on SEL? ----- Original Message ---- From: Won De Erick Hi All, On IBMx3650 (IPMIv2.0-compliant), running FreeBSD6.2. I noticed that my system is halting services for around 4-5 minutes, without sufficient logs on the system (system.log) that can bring me to the right conclusion (whether caused by unexpected reboots, etc). I then retrieved the system event logs (SEL) from the baseboard chip using FreeIPMI v0.6.3, and noticed for multiple "System Event #0:System Reconfigured" logs. The latest would be "54:23-Jan-2009 11:28:55:System Event #0:System Reconfigured" This is somewhat weird, as I did NOT change any in the system (BIOS, OS, BMC firmware, etc.) This is the cause of service halts as verified though my mrtg, and the system uptime. I usually get logs like the following (e.g. only) when such unresponsiveness is due to watchdog triggering, 24-Jan-2009 17:09:30:Watchdog 2 Watchdog:Hard Reset OEM defined = 00 00 00 00 00 E3 25 86 80 00 00 FF 00 or is simply due to manual/unexpected reboot ("init 0"/kernel panic): OEM defined = 00 00 00 00 00 E3 25 86 80 00 00 FF 00 With these, I suspect that the unresponsiveness of the system is not caused by a REAL reboot. Is there any possibily that the system's uptime can be changed even without restarting the box? What does that "system event #0;system reconfigured" mean? Is this related to SMM switching? by an attacker? Thanks, Won _______________________________________________ freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-hardware To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-hardware-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 11:54:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30911065672; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) Received: from smtp.timeweb.ru (smtp.timeweb.ru [217.170.79.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6945B8FC18; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) Received: from [213.148.20.85] (helo=hive.panopticon) by smtp.timeweb.ru with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LRQ3N-00062M-5x; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:54:57 +0300 Received: from hades.panopticon (hades.panopticon [192.168.0.32]) by hive.panopticon (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E7213A04; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:55:12 +0300 (MSK) Received: by hades.panopticon (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 747E1108837; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:55:55 +0000 From: Dmitry Marakasov To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090126145555.GC6054@hades.panopticon> References: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASUS mobo for desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:54:57 -0000 * Dmitry Marakasov (amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) wrote: > > I'm planning to upgrade my desktop to C2D and am picking motherboard > > for it. I prefer ASUS and I guess P5Q model line is actual now, but > > there are quite a bunch of specific models, so it's hard enough to > > pick. Are there any positive experience with those mobos (I.e. no > > problems with onboard NIC, ATA/SATA controllers and other stuff)? > > I'm planning to install 7.1 i386. Also I'm planning to install 4GB > > RAM there - I'll just get my 3.25 or 3.5, right (I think I've heard > > of some freezes with 4GB)? > > I've bought Asus P5Q. For now I've just tested it with my bootable > flash (-CURRENT from around September) - onboard Ethernet (Atheros) > and PATA controller (Marvell) didn't work. However, after updating > kernel to recent CURRENT Ethernet worked and PATA hard drive was > detected). Now I'll check whether I really need CURRENT there (or > 7.1 would suffice), move my desktop to that box, test it for a while > and report some more info. As promised, some more info. - 7.1 is not enough, so I'm using current. - With current, everything works so far. Didn't use it for much serious work yet, but played Quake4 in wine for ~6 hrs :) - There was problem with ale(4) (see thread 'NFS data corruption' on freebsd-current@) - fixed with turning rxcsum and rxcsum off on the interface. - Also nvidia-driver refused to work hanging the system when 4GB RAM were installed in the box. Had to leave only 2GB Unrelated to hardware and current, I've used gjournal for a first time in this install, and found that the system is really unresponsive when writing large files. In general, I'd say I'm satisfied. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amdmi3@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amdmi3@jabber.ru http://www.amdmi3.ru From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 13:04:06 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADFD1065674 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alo-freebsd-lists@louko.com) Received: from x1.louko.com (x1.louko.com [195.218.71.106]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B4D8FC22 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:04:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alo-freebsd-lists@louko.com) Received: from alo98.louko.com (alo98.louko.com [10.0.0.87]) by x1.louko.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42113135A1C; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 10:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <497D9651.6050607@louko.com> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:54:09 +0200 From: Antti Louko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fbsd@dannysplace.net References: <490A782F.9060406@dannysplace.net> In-Reply-To: <490A782F.9060406@dannysplace.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Areca vs. ZFS performance testing. X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:04:07 -0000 Danny Carroll wrote: > I've just become the proud new owner of an Areca 1231-ML which I plan to > use to set up an office server. > I'm very curious as to how ZFS compares to a hardware solution so I plan > to run some tests before I put this thing to work. Having just read this whole thread, I would like to comment: - For machine room rack mounted solutions Areca with SATA drives or similar is probably the way to go. - For ad hoc and home users, external FW (or USB, shudder) disks are quite nice. FW supports or at least is is supposed to support hot removal and insertion. And with glabel, everything is neatly under control. But what would really be nice for home use and in some cases even for data center use, would be inexpensive NAS drives. Most units so far only support 10/100M and barely exceed the 1MB/s. We tried LaCie Network Space which has 1G ethernet but: 1) It only supports SMB. 2) Performance sucks. Peak transfer rate is 9MB/s and sustained rate is about 2MB/s. Manual says it is essential to have 1G connection and switch. Actually, the performance is just the same with 100M ethernet. I tried ZFS over md over file over file in SMB share and it works. It crahses when the NAS is reset and SMB goes offline, but it could be made to work. I wonder, if there would be vblade (ATA over Ethernet) for that (or any) NAS, what kind of performance would be possible? Ideal would be an inexpensive (under USD40) AoE dongle but there is not one available. Any ideas of existing products or anything? Regards, Antti From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 14:34:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2400106571A for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:34:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eirik.overby@modirum.com) Received: from mail1.netservant.fi (mail1.netservant.fi [213.250.93.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B078FC3C for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:34:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eirik.overby@modirum.com) Received: by mail1.netservant.fi (Postfix, from userid 1103) id 46C4A57EC2; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:15:06 +0200 (EET) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.4 (2008-01-01) on mail1.netservant.fi X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.4 Received: from mail1.netservant.fi (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail1.netservant.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C5F56839 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:15:04 +0200 (EET) Received: from notes.modirum.com (notes.modirum.com [213.250.93.103]) by mail1.netservant.fi (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9598021F86 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:15:04 +0200 (EET) Received: from [192.168.3.200] ([193.213.86.45]) by notes.modirum.com (Lotus Domino Release 6.5.5FP2) with ESMTP id 2009012616150209-5181 ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:15:02 +0200 Message-Id: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eirik_=D8verby?= To: hardware@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:14:56 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on Helsinki/Modirum(Release 6.5.5FP2|October 23, 2006) at 26.01.2009 16:15:02, Serialize by Router on Helsinki/Modirum(Release 6.5.5FP2|October 23, 2006) at 26.01.2009 16:15:04, Serialize complete at 26.01.2009 16:15:04 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP Cc: Subject: Areca ARC-1210 abysmal performance X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:34:16 -0000 Hi, I've just purchased a pile of Areca 1210 controllers, having seen that they should perform well with FreeBSD. Now having hooked up a pair of them to 4 WD 250gb SATA drives and configured them to RAID1+0, I see them perform very, very badly. Below is a typical test I run on newly created arrays, to see the sustained write speeds they can handle. It's nowhere near a real-world test, but I've found it to often reveal issues early on. As you can see, the Areca seems to accept a lump of data (filling its write cache) early on, then practically slows to a crawl, and for long stretches of time no data is written at all, before another burst is written followed by trickling, repeat ad infinitum. I've repeated this with HDD cache on and off, controller cache on and off, NCQ on and off and at both SATA150 and SATA300 speeds. When disabling the controller cache (setting it to write-through), I don't get the initial burst, but a slow trickle of data ~5-15 mbytes/sec. While this is going on, the system is basically unresponsive. There is nothing else going on, only sshd running. I've just updated the firmware to the latest as of today, however that didn't change anything. I'm on FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE. Dmesg output below. Can anyone point me in the right direction here? Thanks, /Eirik [root@md-hh-play-01 /usr]# dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=64k & iostat 1 [1] 889 tty da0 pass0 pass1 cpu tin tout KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s KB/t tps MB/s us ni sy in id 1 98 61.81 76 4.60 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 99 0 231 64.00 3732 233.22 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 13 2 85 0 79 64.00 264 16.48 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 0 78 64.00 394 24.60 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 1 0 98 0 77 64.00 320 19.98 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 1 1 98 0 77 61.74 234 14.10 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 0 78 64.00 180 11.24 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 99 0 77 60.90 31 1.84 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 0 78 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 0 78 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0.00 0 0.00 0 0 0 0 100 [root@md-hh-play-01 /usr]# vmstat -i interrupt total rate irq3: sio0 304870 198 irq4: sio1 2 0 irq10: ohci0+ 258071 167 irq14: ata0 58 0 cpu0: timer 3075904 1999 irq256: nfe0 2652 1 cpu1: timer 3067930 1994 cpu2: timer 3067899 1994 cpu3: timer 3067930 1994 Total 12845316 8351 DMESG: Copyright (c) 1992-2009 The FreeBSD Project. Copyright (c) 1979, 1980, 1983, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994 The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved. FreeBSD is a registered trademark of The FreeBSD Foundation. FreeBSD 7.1-RELEASE #0: Thu Jan 1 08:58:24 UTC 2009 root@driscoll.cse.buffalo.edu:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC Timecounter "i8254" frequency 1193182 Hz quality 0 CPU: Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 2218 (2600.02-MHz K8-class CPU) Origin = "AuthenticAMD" Id = 0x40f13 Stepping = 3 Features = 0x178bfbff < FPU ,VME ,DE ,PSE ,TSC ,MSR ,PAE ,MCE ,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CLFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT> Features2=0x2001 AMD Features=0xea500800 AMD Features2=0x1f Cores per package: 2 usable memory = 4280922112 (4082 MB) avail memory = 4115517440 (3924 MB) ACPI APIC Table: FreeBSD/SMP: Multiprocessor System Detected: 4 CPUs cpu0 (BSP): APIC ID: 0 cpu1 (AP): APIC ID: 1 cpu2 (AP): APIC ID: 2 cpu3 (AP): APIC ID: 3 ioapic0 irqs 0-23 on motherboard kbd1 at kbdmux0 ath_hal: 0.9.20.3 (AR5210, AR5211, AR5212, RF5111, RF5112, RF2413, RF5413) acpi0: on motherboard acpi0: [ITHREAD] acpi0: Power Button (fixed) Timecounter "ACPI-fast" frequency 3579545 Hz quality 1000 acpi_timer0: <24-bit timer at 3.579545MHz> port 0x1008-0x100b on acpi0 acpi_hpet0: iomem 0xfed00000-0xfed003ff on acpi0 Timecounter "HPET" frequency 25000000 Hz quality 900 acpi_button0: on acpi0 pcib0: port 0xcf8-0xcff on acpi0 pci0: on pcib0 pci0: at device 0.0 (no driver attached) isab0: port 0x1c00-0x1c7f at device 1.0 on pci0 isa0: on isab0 pci0: at device 1.1 (no driver attached) ohci0: mem 0xc8040000-0xc8040fff irq 10 at device 2.0 on pci0 ohci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ohci0: [ITHREAD] usb0: OHCI version 1.0, legacy support usb0: SMM does not respond, resetting usb0: on ohci0 usb0: USB revision 1.0 uhub0: on usb0 uhub0: 10 ports with 10 removable, self powered ehci0: mem 0xc8041000-0xc80410ff irq 11 at device 2.1 on pci0 ehci0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ehci0: [ITHREAD] usb1: EHCI version 1.0 usb1: companion controller, 10 ports each: usb0 usb1: on ehci0 usb1: USB revision 2.0 uhub1: on usb1 uhub1: 10 ports with 10 removable, self powered atapci0: port 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6,0x170-0x177,0x376,0x2480-0x248f at device 4.0 on pci0 ata0: on atapci0 ata0: [ITHREAD] ata1: on atapci0 ata1: [ITHREAD] pcib1: at device 6.0 on pci0 pci1: on pcib1 vgapci0: port 0x3000-0x30ff mem 0xd0000000-0xd7ffffff,0xc8100000-0xc810ffff irq 5 at device 4.0 on pci1 nfe0: port 0x2490-0x2497 mem 0xc8042000-0xc8042fff,0xc8041800-0xc80418ff,0xc8041400-0xc804140f irq 11 at device 8.0 on pci0 miibus0: on nfe0 e1000phy0: PHY 0 on miibus0 e1000phy0: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX- FDX, auto nfe0: Ethernet address: 00:e0:81:76:89:a8 nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe0: [FILTER] nfe1: port 0x2498-0x249f mem 0xc8044000-0xc8044fff,0xc8043000-0xc80430ff,0xc8041c00-0xc8041c0f irq 10 at device 9.0 on pci0 miibus1: on nfe1 e1000phy1: PHY 1 on miibus1 e1000phy1: 10baseT, 10baseT-FDX, 100baseTX, 100baseTX-FDX, 1000baseTX- FDX, auto nfe1: Ethernet address: 00:e0:81:76:89:a9 nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] nfe1: [FILTER] pcib2: at device 10.0 on pci0 pci2: on pcib2 pcib3: at device 13.0 on pci0 pci3: on pcib3 pcib4: at device 15.0 on pci0 pci4: on pcib4 pcib5: at device 0.0 on pci4 pci5: on pcib5 arcmsr0: mem 0xc8200000-0xc8200fff,0xd8000000-0xd83fffff irq 10 at device 14.0 on pci5 ARECA RAID ADAPTER0: Driver Version 1.20.00.15 2007-10-07 ARECA RAID ADAPTER0: FIRMWARE VERSION V1.46 2009-01-06 arcmsr0: [ITHREAD] pcib6: at device 0.2 on pci4 pci6: on pcib6 atkbdc0: port 0x60,0x64 irq 1 on acpi0 atkbd0: irq 1 on atkbdc0 kbd0 at atkbd0 atkbd0: [GIANT-LOCKED] atkbd0: [ITHREAD] sio0: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: configured irq 3 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio0: port may not be enabled sio0: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 flags 0x10 on acpi0 sio0: type 16550A sio0: [FILTER] sio1: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: configured irq 4 not in bitmap of probed irqs 0 sio1: port may not be enabled sio1: <16550A-compatible COM port> port 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on acpi0 sio1: type 16550A sio1: [FILTER] fdc0: port 0x3f0-0x3f5,0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on acpi0 fdc0: [FILTER] ppc0: port 0x378-0x37f,0x778-0x77f irq 7 drq 3 on acpi0 ppc0: SMC-like chipset (ECP/EPP/PS2/NIBBLE) in COMPATIBLE mode ppc0: FIFO with 16/16/9 bytes threshold ppbus0: on ppc0 ppbus0: [ITHREAD] plip0: on ppbus0 plip0: WARNING: using obsoleted IFF_NEEDSGIANT flag lpt0: on ppbus0 lpt0: Interrupt-driven port ppi0: on ppbus0 ppc0: [GIANT-LOCKED] ppc0: [ITHREAD] cpu0: on acpi0 acpi_throttle0: on cpu0 powernow0: on cpu0 cpu1: on acpi0 powernow1: on cpu1 cpu2: on acpi0 powernow2: on cpu2 cpu3: on acpi0 powernow3: on cpu3 ipmi0: on isa0 ipmi0: KCS mode found at io 0xca8 alignment 0x4 on isa orm0: at iomem 0xc0000-0xc8fff on isa0 sc0: at flags 0x100 on isa0 sc0: VGA <16 virtual consoles, flags=0x300> vga0: at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa0000-0xbffff on isa0 Timecounters tick every 1.000 msec acd0: CDROM at ata0-slave UDMA33 Waiting 5 seconds for SCSI devices to settle ipmi0: IPMI device rev. 0, firmware rev. 0.2, version 2.0 ipmi0: Number of channels 5 ipmi0: Attached watchdog (probe16:arcmsr0:0:16:0): inquiry data fails comparison at DV1 step da0 at arcmsr0 bus 0 target 0 lun 0 da0: Fixed Direct Access SCSI-5 device da0: 166.666MB/s transfers (83.333MHz DT, offset 32, 16bit) da0: 476837MB (976562176 512 byte sectors: 255H 63S/T 60788C) SMP: AP CPU #1 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #2 Launched! SMP: AP CPU #3 Launched! Trying to mount root from ufs:/dev/da0s1a fuse4bsd: version 0.3.9-pre1, FUSE ABI 7.8 nfe0: link state changed to UP From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 14:58:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E320E1065680 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3D08FC30 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) Received: from server.baldwin.cx (pool-98-109-39-197.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net [98.109.39.197]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 57DFD46B0D; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:58:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (john@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by server.baldwin.cx (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0QEw2xx078018; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:58:37 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jhb@freebsd.org) From: John Baldwin To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:51:15 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <424124.34947.qm@web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <945337.21746.qm@web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <945337.21746.qm@web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200901260951.16152.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (server.baldwin.cx [127.0.0.1]); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 09:58:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.94.2/8904/Mon Jan 26 08:06:06 2009 on server.baldwin.cx X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=4.2 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.3 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on server.baldwin.cx Cc: Won De Erick Subject: Re: IPMI-SEL says System Event #0:System Reconfigured, but no actual changes made X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:58:49 -0000 On Monday 26 January 2009 4:32:51 am Won De Erick wrote: > Is there any significant of the following? > > #dmesg > ..... > bce1: link state changed to DOWN > bce1: link state changed to UP > > .... > Can this result into the significant log on SEL? Is bce1 hooked up to the BMC in hardware (i.e. you can use it for remote IPMI?) In that case it might very well result in the logs you are seeing. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 16:03:40 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42E00106564A for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from won.derick@yahoo.com) Received: from n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [98.136.44.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 04FD88FC08 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:03:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from won.derick@yahoo.com) Received: from [216.252.122.218] by n75.bullet.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 15:51:17 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.243] by t3.bullet.sp1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 15:51:17 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.246] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 15:51:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jan 2009 15:51:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 214485.17811.bm@omp407.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 88434 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jan 2009 15:51:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=csROxRoRlW9Ly90Tsqt+nww2y8mckZYjeJY2uhDsNY+F+ZeRwOj9eTyoyzUtE6u/xTmqs4Hqa5eEteM/8MocIF+AqFRQUHQuJ/EkAwKLvEuJjFnOZ1Z4vMpjVabHXQZGaNqsa5b72K69eCAlS2iKdRRdFLggQsZXGYbDaaPWOSk=; X-YMail-OSG: mPNAonMVM1lPYnI9gCkSJFz_nC7nb0fF.fmfGufnhW_GPT.Msn17XemMqrTeWjE8ljBj_0frb_xKdQV98pBOPhXIJoJSxSWYsMj70qiiysQ0M.J1j.InbrnxFPZlv6P3XXtJuDm2POtGoGS9g5EobzVJTwwsCFbso9tUUHWgamISVjt54r0AgiuE0SjAUHGOpC9Gu7UcW7_adguQ.xGz6govfp6IPPoB Received: from [58.71.34.137] by web45809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:51:16 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1155.45 YahooMailWebService/0.7.260.1 References: <424124.34947.qm@web45816.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <945337.21746.qm@web45811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <200901260951.16152.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:51:16 -0800 (PST) From: Won De Erick To: John Baldwin , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-ID: <674375.86969.qm@web45809.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Cc: Subject: Re: IPMI-SEL says System Event #0:System Reconfigured, but no actual changes made X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:03:40 -0000 No, there's an optional Lan management port that works with RSA II (ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/systems/support/system_x_pdf/44r5189.pdf) adapter card for out-band management, and is currently not used. The two bce's are built-in w/ the board and are hooked up with a different controller. In-band mechanism is used for the baseboard management system. Is there any connection with SMM? Thanks. ----- Original Message ---- From: John Baldwin On Monday 26 January 2009 4:32:51 am Won De Erick wrote: > Is there any significant of the following? > > #dmesg > ..... > bce1: link state changed to DOWN > bce1: link state changed to UP > > .... > Can this result into the significant log on SEL? Is bce1 hooked up to the BMC in hardware (i.e. you can use it for remote IPMI?) In that case it might very well result in the logs you are seeing. -- John Baldwin From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 21:03:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29C2110656C6 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korvus@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.96]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0BE98FC1E for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korvus@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA09.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8BRg1b0030ldTLk59M3wZw; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([206.210.89.202]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8M3h1b00a4Mx3R23QM3knJ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:54 +0000 Message-ID: <497E252C.2010502@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:03:40 -0500 From: Steve Polyack User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> <4978E202.70408@samsco.org> <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Mike Tancsa , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:57 -0000 Steve Polyack wrote: > Scott Long wrote: >> The fix for this that I was thinking of is already in 7.1. There >> might still be a driver bug, but I'm leaning more towards the >> controller simply being busy. Do you have a reproducible test case >> that I could >> try? >> >> Scott >> So far, I have not been able to reliably reproduce this. It pops up every now and then during our backups, which at the moment aren't that disk intensive. I'll let you know if I come across anything else. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 22:52:58 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115E71065764 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:52:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberth.sjonoy@gmail.com) Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com (fg-out-1718.google.com [72.14.220.157]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 946118FC17 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:52:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberth.sjonoy@gmail.com) Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so4438053fgb.35 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:52:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=IeMrq2t/Y50/rFU0bs3yQn9djT1PYIPjPbnfVIsM81Q=; b=Dvc3J+M+licoENJfl5ft5vTNaWhSWVpYdWQ5vmpUvoxlnYvL/EpdP0NbfWbmid2//z VelopdhCRwk9h9uUfsyTMjL65wfhNRZQaC+ytb6N0Ne7+ukA2qQnJthaIc//3U5og/Ji LaPSkg9vEDk2GhZzhSOKEv2MGc9q+cVoz9780= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Qgwdj+8or0xJOkbaPp27WDHwKjc3FVsQ6tBqoWCZ+yv8AuCbOOpZBTFrKQNmvJ76qc grzeIgKDpig+HVwR6Wb201s3N+dr7G6Ea149VCdZOnCCIonMxXKmkMVTGn4+sUzhn9tN AzecBzQh1UpKWXe8LTAwgN7FFsJQtKjJUQNv8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.199 with SMTP id b7mr156229faq.83.1233009128627; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:32:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:32:08 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberth_Sjon=F8y?= To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: cmi 8788 support? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:52:58 -0000 Looks like I just have to give up, and buy new motherboard, cpu and ram, to get a soundcard that is working with FreeBSD, anyone who can confirm that Realtek ALC1200 works fine with FreeBSD? On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Roberth Sjon=F8y wrote: > Hello, I see that FreeBSD 7.1-BETA2 supports creatives X-FI > soundcards, but I'm wondering where the support for the widely used > cmi8788 chipset is? > > Regards, > > Roberth Sjon=F8y > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 26 23:04:32 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77ADA1065739 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: from users.757.org (users.757.org [IPv6:2001:470:e048::20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8248FC1D for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:04:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from telmnstr@757.org) Received: by users.757.org (Postfix, from userid 1123) id 07CF9A818; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by users.757.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071B3A56C for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:04:31 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:04:31 -0500 (EST) From: telmnstr@757.org cc: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: cmi 8788 support? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:04:33 -0000 > Looks like I just have to give up, and buy new motherboard, cpu and > ram, to get a soundcard that is working with FreeBSD, anyone who can > confirm that Realtek ALC1200 works fine with FreeBSD? What about... I dunno, SHOVING IN A SOUND CARD? What's wrong with picking up any Sound Blaster Live PCI card, and cramming it in? If that doesn't work, find the USB based MP3+ ... a beautiful little silver and black gadget with optical in and out, mic in and out, line in and out (RCAs)... that I've seen work with FreeBSD, NetBSD, Debian, CentOS, Windows and if I recall, OS X. ~$10 on FeeBay. From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 22:36:44 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBA3106577F; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korvus@comcast.net) Received: from exchange.physicalsegment.com (78-105-106-222.zone3.bethere.co.uk [78.105.106.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500058FC20; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korvus@comcast.net) Received: from mail pickup service by exchange.physicalsegment.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:33:23 +0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org ([69.147.83.53]) by tsplpt01.thespinney.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.2600.5512); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:04:38 +0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AC3E162C39; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32DAC106571E; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:04:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org) Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE00910656EB for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korvus@comcast.net) Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BF88FC23 for ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from korvus@comcast.net) Received: from OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.35]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8B541b0070ldTLk53M3wsN; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.164] ([206.210.89.202]) by OMTA04.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 8M3h1b00a4Mx3R23QM3knJ; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:03:54 +0000 Message-ID: <497E252C.2010502@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:03:40 -0500 From: Steve Polyack User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Long References: <4978CDE3.4040700@comcast.net> <4978E202.70408@samsco.org> <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <4978E4AA.8050601@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2009 21:04:39.0036 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3690BC0:01C97FF9] Cc: Mike Tancsa , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: amr driver issues in 7.1-RELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:36:48 -0000 Steve Polyack wrote: > Scott Long wrote: >> The fix for this that I was thinking of is already in 7.1. There >> might still be a driver bug, but I'm leaning more towards the >> controller simply being busy. Do you have a reproducible test case >> that I could >> try? >> >> Scott >> So far, I have not been able to reliably reproduce this. It pops up every now and then during our backups, which at the moment aren't that disk intensive. I'll let you know if I come across anything else. _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-stable-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 27 22:50:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6997E1065813 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) Received: from exchange.physicalsegment.com (78-105-106-222.zone3.bethere.co.uk [78.105.106.222]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBB9B8FC13 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:50:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) Received: from mail pickup service by exchange.physicalsegment.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 27 Jan 2009 21:33:47 +0000 Received: from mx2.freebsd.org ([69.147.83.53]) by tsplpt01.thespinney.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.2600.5512); Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:55:32 +0000 Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E2015623C; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:55:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org) Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07A110656FA; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:55:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org) Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30911065672; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) Received: from smtp.timeweb.ru (smtp.timeweb.ru [217.170.79.85]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6945B8FC18; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 11:54:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) Received: from [213.148.20.85] (helo=hive.panopticon) by smtp.timeweb.ru with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LRQ3N-00062M-5x; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:54:57 +0300 Received: from hades.panopticon (hades.panopticon [192.168.0.32]) by hive.panopticon (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E7213A04; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:55:12 +0300 (MSK) Received: by hades.panopticon (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 747E1108837; Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:55:55 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 14:55:55 +0000 From: Dmitry Marakasov To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090126145555.GC6054@hades.panopticon> References: <20090119140424.GA56409@hades.panopticon> <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090121124555.GA99191@hades.panopticon> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Errors-To: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jan 2009 11:55:33.0005 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE0BABD0:01C97FAC] Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ASUS mobo for desktop X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:50:55 -0000 * Dmitry Marakasov (amdmi3@amdmi3.ru) wrote: > > I'm planning to upgrade my desktop to C2D and am picking motherboard > > for it. I prefer ASUS and I guess P5Q model line is actual now, but > > there are quite a bunch of specific models, so it's hard enough to > > pick. Are there any positive experience with those mobos (I.e. no > > problems with onboard NIC, ATA/SATA controllers and other stuff)? > > I'm planning to install 7.1 i386. Also I'm planning to install 4GB > > RAM there - I'll just get my 3.25 or 3.5, right (I think I've heard > > of some freezes with 4GB)? > > I've bought Asus P5Q. For now I've just tested it with my bootable > flash (-CURRENT from around September) - onboard Ethernet (Atheros) > and PATA controller (Marvell) didn't work. However, after updating > kernel to recent CURRENT Ethernet worked and PATA hard drive was > detected). Now I'll check whether I really need CURRENT there (or > 7.1 would suffice), move my desktop to that box, test it for a while > and report some more info. As promised, some more info. - 7.1 is not enough, so I'm using current. - With current, everything works so far. Didn't use it for much serious work yet, but played Quake4 in wine for ~6 hrs :) - There was problem with ale(4) (see thread 'NFS data corruption' on freebsd-current@) - fixed with turning rxcsum and rxcsum off on the interface. - Also nvidia-driver refused to work hanging the system when 4GB RAM were installed in the box. Had to leave only 2GB Unrelated to hardware and current, I've used gjournal for a first time in this install, and found that the system is really unresponsive when writing large files. In general, I'd say I'm satisfied. -- Dmitry Marakasov . 55B5 0596 FF1E 8D84 5F56 9510 D35A 80DD F9D2 F77D amdmi3@amdmi3.ru ..: jabber: amdmi3@jabber.ru http://www.amdmi3.ru _______________________________________________ freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 01:09:45 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4FC106566C for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:09:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from migieger@bawue.de) Received: from relay01.mx.bawue.net (relay01.mx.bawue.net [193.7.176.67]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 314708FC08 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:09:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from migieger@bawue.de) Received: from luva.home (unknown [118.33.29.119]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: migieger) by relay01.mx.bawue.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274E8481B8 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:09:42 +0100 (CET) Received: from luva.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by luva.home (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0S12skl001280 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:02:54 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from migieger@luva.home) Received: (from migieger@localhost) by luva.home (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n0S12sFM001279 for freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:02:54 +0900 (KST) (envelope-from migieger) Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:02:54 +0900 From: "M. Giegerich" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090128010254.GA1241@luva.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.94.2, clamav-milter version 0.94.2 on luva.home X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Matrox G550 PCIe Acceleration? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 01:09:45 -0000 Did anybody manage to use acceleration on this PCI Express x1 video card? If so, how? Loading mga.ko and drm.ko gives: drm0: mem 0xfa000000-0xfbffffff,0xfc400000-0xfc403fff,0xfc800000-0xfcffffff irq 17 at device 0.0 on pci15 error: [drm:pid0:drm_load] *ERROR* Card isn't AGP, or couldn't initialize AGP. device_attach: drm0 attach returned 12 As the card isn't AGP the error message seems appropriate. Does this mean no accel for me? -- M. Giegerich, mail: migieger@web.de, phone: +49.(0)7144.817298 From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 12:42:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D17106564A for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:42:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from citadel.icyb.net.ua (citadel.icyb.net.ua [212.40.38.140]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCA278FC1A for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:42:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Received: from odyssey.starpoint.kiev.ua (alpha-e.starpoint.kiev.ua [212.40.38.101]) by citadel.icyb.net.ua (8.8.8p3/ICyb-2.3exp) with ESMTP id OAA14270; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:26:52 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from avg@icyb.net.ua) Message-ID: <49804F0C.3000400@icyb.net.ua> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:26:52 +0200 From: Andriy Gapon User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090110) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Stable , freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org References: <497AF4C7.3080309@icyb.net.ua> In-Reply-To: <497AF4C7.3080309@icyb.net.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: problem with "cold" hardware? [Was: panic in callout_reset: bad link in callwheel] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 12:42:34 -0000 on 24/01/2009 13:00 Andriy Gapon said the following: [snip] > Additional info: > I recently added some new memory to this system. > The memory survived several passes of memtest86 before booting to > FreeBSD. It also survived one pass after the incident. > Still I wouldn't exclude a possibility of it being bad. I think that I established that the crash was because of hardware issue. I had another panic at a different place but with the similar diagnostics - bad pointer passed to a call. Fortunately, the second time the pointer was to a well-known long-lived object. So I was able to compare the bad pointer to an actual address. It turned out that a single bit was flipped. Then I realized that in both cases I saw panics after "very cold" boots, i.e. the system was powered down for more than 1 hour before the boot. So I performed memtest86 run again, this time also after a long power-off. And it reported lots of errors. I restarted memtest86 10 minutes later and then it could not find any errors in any tests. Previously I heard about problems with hardware running hot, but not with it being "cold". I put the word in quotes, because the system is in a room with normal room temperature. Any guesses what hardware part might be acting up like this? -- Andriy Gapon From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 28 18:51:00 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9111065708 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberth.sjonoy@gmail.com) Received: from mu-out-0910.google.com (mu-out-0910.google.com [209.85.134.187]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A828FC13 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:51:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from roberth.sjonoy@gmail.com) Received: by mu-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id i2so5147700mue.3 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:50:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MbJzIEn2e+YC2H1Pg1bZmtqqP9Gkx2qjYSZ5kqajCgA=; b=SR991IEfpZCRy2eeisHZMJQ1uGUZ+UBbAC9E8iTEwAuitinx9jT5YzSb7Rc0/ZWad/ begOIs7AigBd6Ej/GiM54tAQ8zD5CS43oZh80jTgY8D1Parqu9L37Kj741TZQMjXGH0l 1ut3p8nF8IIWdBIjW9TZ3oP6kHERjDUesyr1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IvvJapj96Sn5VXXWT4ORpa+GfVZitW2A7L/bOWFTD6G+N8azIW5VqTKu6d3PA6/gzY 9ZC/z5ZQVQ8sTNUUz4yBL/z3Q+yyW9hx31kWc+M5HYfCnbOLbzRVKZAS27PP8v1Jjm1a IEHbTWB10d5Q/7xJQhaGbVRMn5X1C9YhjEM4c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.208.5 with SMTP id f5mr398123bkg.211.1233168659484; Wed, 28 Jan 2009 10:50:59 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:50:59 +0100 Message-ID: From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Roberth_Sjon=F8y?= To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: cmi 8788 support? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:51:02 -0000 Looks like I found my answer here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2009-January/190069.ht= ml On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Roberth Sjon=F8y wrote: > Looks like I just have to give up, and buy new motherboard, cpu and > ram, to get a soundcard that is working with FreeBSD, anyone who can > confirm that Realtek ALC1200 works fine with FreeBSD? > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Roberth Sjon=F8y > wrote: >> Hello, I see that FreeBSD 7.1-BETA2 supports creatives X-FI >> soundcards, but I'm wondering where the support for the widely used >> cmi8788 chipset is? >> >> Regards, >> >> Roberth Sjon=F8y >> > From owner-freebsd-hardware@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 29 22:15:07 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862DA10656D6 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from fed1rmmtai105.cox.net (fed1rmmtai105.cox.net [68.230.241.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60C698FC1A for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:15:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lawrence.auster@att.net) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090129220440.LVNT2948.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:04:40 -0500 Received: from ihkmn ([68.7.178.36]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 9a4R1b00M0nWD4404a4VYU; Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:04:40 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=fTpmd6j1VbsA:10 a=Ijf4uibmdlYA:10 a=8da1oD9WnRMA:10 a=6eRGdbthAAAA:8 a=nKDLJjefMrHCVW1xqdIA:9 a=F0ta1PNHEV0TM_cU4loA:7 a=JfaWgUyT9WyKE0hanbBKr5di8GMA:4 a=6gryP8oqIuwA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=XF7b4UCPwd8A:10 a=sh6PArqQtYdngLzxv5aEQJAsMbE=:19 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Lawrence Auster" To: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 23:04:26 +0100 X-Priority: 3 Message-Id: <20090129220440.LVNT2948.fed1rmmtao101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Subject: The =?iso-8859-1?q?=93Military=2C?= Industrial =?iso-8859-1?q?Complex=94?= is no more -- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites X-BeenThere: freebsd-hardware@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lawrence.auster@att.net List-Id: General discussion of FreeBSD hardware List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:15:08 -0000 The “Military, Industrial Complex” is no more. Today it is the Political, Financial and Media — Zionist Complex! 1/28/2009 An short essay by Dr. David Duke The “Military-Industrial complex” really has no relevance to the real holders of global power today. America is the most powerful military and economic nation on earth. The powers that control the levers of political power in America possess the greatest power the world has ever seen. Who really has power over the government today? Is it the fabled “Military, Industrial Complex”? An effective gauge of direct political power in America is “to discover who provided the pivotal amounts of the billion-dollar recent campaigns for U.S. President. You can look directly at campaign contributions for every candidate from the Federal Election Commission in order to find out who holds the real power in politics. So, who holds the real power over the American political establishment? Let’s first look at who does not hold much power over the establishment. 1) It is not the military. There is not any organized military monetary influence or even significant political influence of the military over the politicians. In fact, no one in military positions of authority are allowed to openly get involved in politics. No active sergeant, lieutenant, or General can send out a directive to the men under him to support or oppose a particular candidate (the one exception I know to that was when the Louisiana commanding general of the National Guard, under Jewish influence, sent a letter to all national guardsmen telling them that it was their “patriotic duty” to vote against David Duke and for the Liberal corrupt former Governor, Edwin Edwards. Even that caused a scandal in military circles, as it should have. 2) It is NOT major manufacturing or even the huge oil companies. There was not one oil company and only a couple of legitimate manufacturing or industrial concerns on Obama and McCain’s top twenty contributor list. The list was completely dominated by Zionist international banking firms. If one combines every defense contractor’s contributions the money they give in politics is minuscule compared to Zionist international banks. They don’t even come close to the power in lobbying that AIPAC and a couple of dozen more Jewish extremist organizations have. Jewish lobbyists literally get almost unanimous support in Congress for outrageous giveaways to Israel, a nation that has committed terrorism against us and killed or maimed scores of Americans. I am not talking about contracts here, I am speaking about giving away billions of dollars to a foreign nation. So, so much for the media-popularized term, the military-industrial complex In direct political money and lobbying then, Zionists are the undisputed masters of the American political establishment. In addition to their control through the use of money as an inducement or a threat, they have tens of thousands of Jewish extremists scattered throughout the entire bureaucracy who are very conscious of supporting their brethren and supporting the organized Jewish agenda. They also are ready to act against any Gentile who dares to go against Israel or the Jewish agenda. How will a Jewish federal judge rule in a huge litigation issue between Jewish and non-Jewish parties? Why was the biggest robber in the history of the world, Bernie Madoff who stole over 50 billion dollars and who ruined tens of thousands of families, only charged with one criminal count, and allowed to stay in his luxury apartment to await trial? Is there an organized Jewish agenda? Absolutely. In fact, the leading and most powerful Jewish groups have a supra-organization called the Council of Presidents (composed of the most powerful 5 dozen Jewish organizations in America). They issue detailed positions not just on Mideast policy but on many other issues that have nothing to do with Israel, aspects of domestic policy including issues such as opening America’s borders. They even assume positions on issues that you wouldn’t even think would have unanimity among Jews, such as abortion rights. Their job is to make sure that Jewish power is absolutely united on what they decide are their common agendas. Next, we must talk about one of the most influential parts of the American political process, the mass media. The media, such as the NY Times and the Washington Post (the newspaper read by every member of America’s government and bureaucracy in Washington). The Washington Post can determine even what issues Congress will discuss and it greatly affects the publicity for or against those issues. Broadcast and cable television also have an enormous impact, and we can include movies, books, magazines and the newspaper chains that reach down into almost every American community. As my chapters in Jewish Supremacism on “Jewish Media Supremacy” document, the ownership, depth and breadth of Jewish influence in the media is simply breathtaking. In media, whether you speak of owners, administrators, managers, editors, producers, writers, correspondents, pundits and reporters, there is an army of Jews who are animated by the Holocaust and the issues of the organized Jewish community. If you haven’t yet read them, you simply must see the evidence on the Jewish supremacy in media I have compiled in my books Jewish Supremacism and My Awakening. The other great seat of establishment power is simply money, huge sums of money and the willingness to use those funds on behalf of an agenda. The biggest concentrations of wealth in the world today are in the Zionist international banks, and in financial groups that the Jews completely control such as the Federal Reserve Corporation, the same forces that have led us to the doorstep of a great depression. It is no accident that Alan Greenspan and Ben Shalom Bernanke are the last two of the Federal Reserve czars. Even in days of World War I, an immensely rich, Jewish international banker, Jacob Schiff, voiced pride in the fact that he was instrumental in weakening Czarist Russia (the government that Jews universally hated), and that he supported Russia’s enemies so as to make Russia ripe for communist overthrow (Jewish groups brag of his help to Japan in the Russo-Japanese War so as to hurt the Russian government). Schiff also gave millions of dollars to directly finance the Jews who led and organized the Russian revolution and the Bolshevik terror in Russia. There is no disputing of these facts. Plenty of Jewish history books detail all of it. So, frankly, financial power in the control of people who will use it for an agenda is also a key ingredient of real power. Again, the financial power in the hands of modern day Jacob Schiff’s, is an incredibly powerful weapon. So forget about the “Military-Industrial Complex.” That is passe. In today’s world it makes more sense to speak about the “Political, Financial and Media Zionist complex.” That is the real core of power that bends everything whether it be local laws, or giant corporations, to its will. Even if one of the world’s richest firms, such as Microsoft (which is now by the way run by a Jewish extremist), would buck the political, financial, and media Zionist complex, it would be broken by government fiat, the Jewish-influenced courts (such as anti-trust actions), and by vicious attacks by the Jewish-influenced media. Microsoft would either be dismembered or destroyed. Such are the realities of the modern world. There is no longer a “military industrial complex,” but there is a Political and media and financial Zionist complex that rules us and aims to control the whole world. No single part of this behemoth can be defeated, because it can use its other assets to defend the section under attack. It can only be brought down by concentrating all our political and ideological fire right on the core the problem, International Zionism and its driving impetus: Jewish Supremacism. —Dr. David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/forget-the-military-industrial-complex-today-its-the-political-financial-and-media-zionist-complex_7394.html ---- The Hidden Massive Racial Discrimination in America against Whites 1/29/2009 The main argument for affirmative action is that institutions should reflect racial percentages of population, if not there must be de facto racial discrimination. Here is the breakdown of students by race at America’s premier university, Obama’s alma mater, Harvard. Even though non-Jewish White Americans are almost 70 percent of the population and on average score much higher on entrance exams, they are only about 22 percent of the Harvard student body. So what race is really the victim of racial discrimination? For those who are truly dedicated to stopping racial discrimination, what are you going to do about this massive discrimination, or does it not matter to you because White people happen to be the victims? The hidden, massive racial discrimination that goes on in America against White people! A U.S. Government study offers proof that European Americans face massive institutional racial discrimination that affects millions of the most talented and educated of our people Introduction by Dr. David Duke – As most of you know, the term “white supremacist” has become literally a prefix of my name when I am in the news. It is the media’s way to condition readers not to pay attention to what I say because I am a “white supremacist.” The truth is I am not a White supremacist, and I seek no supremacy or control over any people, but I do demand that the rights of people of European descent to be respected as much as any other people’s rights. The fact is that in the United States of America, Canada, the UK in many areas of Europe Whites face a powerful state-sanctioned, and often mandated, racial discrimination against White people who are better-qualified than their non-White counterparts. It may be surprising to some reading this, but millions of discriminated against Whites are often poorer and who face more difficult social situations than many of their non-White counterparts who are being given preference over them. It also affects the most talented of our people. Many Whites are under the mistaken impression that the White victims of racial discrimination are mostly from the low income and low IQ sectors of the population. Nothing could be further from the truth. In actuality, the percentages of Whites who are victims of racial discrimination are much higher in the sectors of the White population with the highest intelligence and greatest abilities. The facts are shocking, but true. Most people know that most universities have programs of admittance that give less-qualified minorities preference over better-qualified Whites. Almost all of the Fortune 500 largest corporations have affirmative action and diversity programs that discriminate against White people, both male and female, in hiring. They also have programs of discrimination that favor non-Whites in promotions and advancement. This is true in the academic area as well. You can look at almost any academic department of any American university and you will see in place a strong racial bias for “minorities” in preface over Whites in hiring and advancement. Whether you are talking about a university History, English or Math department in almost any university these policies are in place and powerful. These racial discriminatory policies are real, and they can be easily proven to exist. But, now we thanks to a government study, there is even a more powerful way to show their real impact on tens of mi llions of White Americans. The brilliant economist and author whose pen name is Yggdrasil has compiled the data from the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth (NLSY) 1979, which was a massive study conducted by the Department of Labor to track the lives of 155,000 Americans by race, IQ, income, education and other factors to see how remedial efforts for minorities were doing. It was done after the installation of so called “affirmative action” programs which gave preference to non-White groups over whites. The NLSY study is meant to follow this huge sampling for their entire lives to see how diversity is working out for America. The data is from this ongoing study is tangible proof of the horrendous level of racial discrimination going on against White people. I will link you to Yggdrasil’s fine paper in a moment, but let me first give you a couple of snippets from his work that proves the existence of massive racial discrimination going on against our people. Here is a chart showing the ethnic breakdown of the most prestigious university in the United States of America: Harvard. America’s premier university is extremely expensive (unless you receive special grants and scholarships) and a degree from it just about guarantees its graduates the best paid and prestigious jobs America has to offer. Affirmative action advocates have long said the companies or institutions that don’t reflect the actual racial population percentages are de facto racist and discriminatory. So what is the situation at Harvard, non-Jewish Whites who are about 70 pecent of the American population are only about 22 percent of the Harvard student body. One should first consider the fact that Whites are represented in the top two percentile level on college admission tests on an average that is a 5 times higher rate than non-White groups. If one then factors in the fact that Whites are also 70 percent of the population, there should be at least 25 times more Whites who would be better qualified than the non-White students currently at Harvard. But even though these Whites are the best and brightest America has to offer they are limited to only 20 percent of Harvard students! Such is nothing more than blatant, racial discrimination. Another interesting fact one can gleam from this chart and many in the NLSY studies that Jewish over-representation is not based simply on the fact that Jews have a high intelligence, they often do twice as well as their intelligence bracket would indicate. Such would suggest the intra-tribal support system for group cohesion and advancements aids their success rate. The NLSY data also shows how incomes today in the USA correlate with race and intelligence. Let’s take a look NLSY tracking studies of intelligent White women, these are White women in the 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket as compared to Black women in that same high 90 to 97 percent IQ bracket. The average Black females of that IQ level earned an average of approximately $54,000 per year through 1996, whereas White females on the same IQ level earned only half of that amount, about $28,000 per year through 1996. When White women in the same intelligent bracket of Black women earn half of the average amount that the Black women do, that’s real racial discrimination. I am not referring here to a few White women who are at least equally qualified but getting half the salary that Black women do, I am talking about the average White women in America! The NLSY is a big enough sample that reflects the whole nation. In fact it is meant to. The average White woman of high intelligence earns one-half of what Black women do of the same intelligence! I obviously don’t like this racial discrimination against our people. Neither does the economist Yggdrasil. We advocate that the best person regardless of race gets whatever college admission or job or promotion their abilities dictate. We have no fear of how well our people will do on a fair playing field. Because we stand for true civil rights, human rights in the matter, we are called racists, and the real capper: “white supremacists.” There are many people in America and around the world who are ignorant of the facts of anti-White racial discrimination. The media acts like it doesn’t exist. Even after the election of an affirmative action African-American President, America is still painted as an anti-Black racist country. The truth is that European Americans are facing racial discrimination in the very institutions and nation that our forefathers created. Our movement is truly a liberation movement like any other in the world that strives for a people to free and live in society of our own values rather than oppressive society imposed upon us. We are not racists or supremacists trying to deny the rights of others. We are human rights activists defending our people’s rights and heritage. –Dr. David Duke Source & Charts : http://www.davidduke.com/general/the-real-racial-discrimination-that-goes-on-in-america_7407.html ----- Obama’s Mideast Jewish Wet Dream Team George Mitchell is the new American envoy now in the Mideast. Who is Mitchell and who are the key players in Obama’s Mideast policy team? First, let’s examine the major players on the Obama foreign policy team. Roger Cohen writing in The New York Times on January 11, 2009 wrote some things that if he were a Gentile would have earned him some attacks as an “anti-Semite.” He pointed out the incredible top-heavy pro-Zionist content of the team which is supposed to broker a fair and just peace in the Mideast. In discussing the team he identified them with these words: They include Dennis Ross (the veteran Clinton administration Mideast peace envoy who may now extend his brief to Iran) [a long-time Jewish Zionist]; James Steinberg [Jewish Zionist] (as deputy secretary of state) ; Dan Kurtzer [Jewish Zionist] (the former U.S. ambassador to Israel); Dan Shapiro [Jewish Zionist] (a longtime aide to Obama); and Martin Indyk [Jewish Zionist] another former ambassador to Israel who is close to the incoming secretary of state, Hillary Clinton.) Now, I have nothing against smart, driven, liberal, Jewish (or half-Jewish) males; I’ve looked in the mirror. I know or have talked to all these guys, except Shapiro. They’re knowledgeable, broad-minded and determined. Still, on the diversity front they fall short. On the change-you-can-believe-in front, they also leave something to be desired. Cohen did not even mention that the two closest advisers to Obama, the guys that filter almost everything that Obama see and hears and makes the day to day decisions of running the oval office. They are David Axelrod and Rahm Emmanuel, two long time dedicated Jewish extremists. Emmanuel, son of an Irgun terrorist and named after another Irgun terrorist, even fought in the Israeli Army. Now we come to the new envoy to the Mideast, George Mitchell of Maine, the man who is supposed to be a broadminded and just arbitrator between Israel and the Palestinians. The Jewish-influenced has made a big point of Mitchell’s Lebanese ancestry. What the Zionist media doesn’t tell you is that he has been completely under the control of AIPAC and radical Zionists for years. As Senate Majority Leader he rammed through everything Israel wanted. He even supported the Senate resolution that gave Israel unconditional support during the Zionist massacre of thousands of Gaza civilians. In fact, originally an appointee to the Senate, Mitchell owes his entire Senate career on the massive support given him in 1982 and since by AIPAC and 27 other Jewish extremist controlled political action committees that AIPAC arranged. AIPAC’s Tom Dine summarized AIPAC’s success in Mitchell’s election by saying that “American Jews are thus able to form our own foreign policy agenda.” Of course, Dine spoke the complete and unvarnished truth. American and Israeli extremist Jews do indeed control the foreign policy of the United States. Such control has long gone on in concert with past U.S. Presidents and it goes on today with Obama. Only difference is that today there is a greater danger because many in America and around the world falsely believe that Obama represents change. With the incredible respect and adulation given to Obama, he is in a much better position to support the Zionist war agenda and ultimately do far more harm than a discredited George Bush. Hold on to your hats, America. I predict Obama will usher in war and conflagration that will make George Bush’s presidency seem mild in comparison. He has already announced a doubling of American troops in Afghanistan. Can a catastrophic war with Iran be far behind? Jewish extremists want this war and Obama is completely under their control! – Dr. David Duke Source : http://www.davidduke.com/general/who-is-on-obamas-dream-team-for-mideast-peace_7380.html ------------------------------------- You or someone using your email adress is currently subscribed to the Lawrence Auster Newletter. 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And i'm on the verge of unsubscribing as i guess instituting full moderation wouldn't be very practical (i'm sure most people don't get paid for sitting here) Altho just leaving and complaining won't help anybody (and i do love freebsd). So.... Isn't there some kind of auto-moderation system that could be placed in (Plugin or whatever)? Like delaying the mails for an hour for all newly subscribed users (so kicking people off the list will force them to re-list) and then just sending the mail in advance to "moderators" that would have simple link that would remove the mail from the queue. (Maybe one hit on the link would delay the mail futher and several clicks within the timespan would kill it). This way message will get through by default but annoying stuff wouldn't affect everybody. Just another 2C