From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 06:01:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CD5106566B for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49AFD8FC0A for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:01:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0B5bLVU019559 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:37:22 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0B5bHjg031887 for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from [172.16.1.200] (cpe-68-175-68-135.nyc.res.rr.com [68.175.68.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0B5bGBC077864 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:37:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Message-Id: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> From: George Neville-Neil To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-19--58034674" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:37:15 -0500 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.0 (v56) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2980720 - c9c1dc90c029 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Subject: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 06:01:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-19--58034674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. Basically 7.1 and then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and that is overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going to 97C and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j anything other than 1 also fails. I found this thread on stable@ http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html but have not found anything to address the problem. One change I did make was to switch from ULE to 4BSD, since the thread talked about going from 6.2, where 4BSD is the default, to 7.0. This did not have any appreciable effect. The only physical change to the machine was to go from a spinning HDD, to a Flash based SSD (Intel 80G). I don't think the flash drive is adding heat but perhaps the fact that I/O is now faster is leading to overheating? Thoughts or suggestions welcome. Best, George --Apple-Mail-19--58034674 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAklphYsACgkQYdh2wUQKM9K6WACgnQiox2PKVt3dWsQu3cgRAeVv 5AcAmwWtY0/oaoTZQQWAdyHTe5MHUwRI =m7OV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-19--58034674-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 07:58:49 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D206106566C for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from webmaster@kibab.com) Received: from mx0.deglitch.com (backbone.deglitch.com [IPv6:2001:16d8:fffb:4::abba]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155388FC14 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:58:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from webmaster@kibab.com) Received: from kibab-nb.kibab.com (ppp91-76-104-79.pppoe.mtu-net.ru [91.76.104.79]) by mx0.deglitch.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 332C28FC18; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:58:47 +0300 (MSK) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 10:59:18 +0300 From: Ilya Bakulin To: George Neville-Neil Message-Id: <20090111105918.1fe5d499.webmaster@kibab.com> In-Reply-To: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> Organization: Deglitch Networks X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="PGP-SHA1"; boundary="Signature=_Sun__11_Jan_2009_10_59_18_+0300_AFbaPWHN0YhQh__h" Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 07:58:49 -0000 --Signature=_Sun__11_Jan_2009_10_59_18_+0300_AFbaPWHN0YhQh__h Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:37:15 -0500 George Neville-Neil wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. =20 > Basically 7.1 and > then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and =20 > that is > overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going =20 > to 97C > and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j =20 > anything other > than 1 also fails. >=20 > I found this thread on stable@ >=20 > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html >=20 > but have not found anything to address the problem. >=20 > One change I did make was to switch from ULE to 4BSD, since the thread =20 > talked > about going from 6.2, where 4BSD is the default, to 7.0. This did not =20 > have any > appreciable effect. >=20 > The only physical change to the machine was to go from a spinning HDD, =20 > to a Flash > based SSD (Intel 80G). I don't think the flash drive is adding heat =20 > but perhaps > the fact that I/O is now faster is leading to overheating? >=20 > Thoughts or suggestions welcome. >=20 > Best, > George >=20 >=20 Did you try using powerd and/or Cx states of your processor?=20 There are several discussions about these things found at mobile@, stable@ = and many other places. For example, this thread at FreeBSD forums: http://f= orums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=3D172 P.S. As I know from reading list discussions, some IBM Thinkpads really hav= e problems with overheating. You may also read this thread, especially about your laptop model: http://= unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-01/msg00100.html And here is how Josh Paetzel managed to get rid of overheating (using Lenov= o T61): http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/msg96655.html Hope these links will help you. --=20 Ilya Bakulin xmpp://kibab612@jabber.ru --Signature=_Sun__11_Jan_2009_10_59_18_+0300_AFbaPWHN0YhQh__h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAklpptoACgkQo9vlj1oadwjO+ACgms6DlPucjui4zGJsNwHum0Iz yUYAn2gUfpIM1KIXkZsOq8eKHEFbnKMa =Mjhu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Signature=_Sun__11_Jan_2009_10_59_18_+0300_AFbaPWHN0YhQh__h-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 17:02:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 610771065672 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37B818FC1A for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:02:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0BH232S042653; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:02:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0BH1dEO034308; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:01:41 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from [172.16.1.200] (cpe-68-175-68-135.nyc.res.rr.com [68.175.68.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0BH1bwb084782 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:01:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Message-Id: From: George Neville-Neil To: Ilya Bakulin In-Reply-To: <20090111105918.1fe5d499.webmaster@kibab.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-25--16972943" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:01:37 -0500 References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <20090111105918.1fe5d499.webmaster@kibab.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.0 (v56) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2983640 - 3d7408cb8e93 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:02:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-25--16972943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 11, 2009, at 02:59 , Ilya Bakulin wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:37:15 -0500 > George Neville-Neil wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. >> Basically 7.1 and >> then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and >> that is >> overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going >> to 97C >> and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j >> anything other >> than 1 also fails. >> >> I found this thread on stable@ >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html >> >> but have not found anything to address the problem. >> >> One change I did make was to switch from ULE to 4BSD, since the >> thread >> talked >> about going from 6.2, where 4BSD is the default, to 7.0. This did >> not >> have any >> appreciable effect. >> >> The only physical change to the machine was to go from a spinning >> HDD, >> to a Flash >> based SSD (Intel 80G). I don't think the flash drive is adding heat >> but perhaps >> the fact that I/O is now faster is leading to overheating? >> >> Thoughts or suggestions welcome. >> >> Best, >> George >> >> > Did you try using powerd and/or Cx states of your processor? > There are several discussions about these things found at mobile@, > stable@ and many other places. For example, this thread at FreeBSD > forums: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=172 > > P.S. As I know from reading list discussions, some IBM Thinkpads > really have problems with overheating. > You may also read this thread, especially about your laptop model: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-01/msg00100.html > > And here is how Josh Paetzel managed to get rid of overheating > (using Lenovo T61): http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/msg96655.html > > Hope these links will help you. They did, but then I found what seems to be the original issue. Adding an 80G Intel SSD to the system was really the problem. Even though I couldn't detect any excess heat where the drive sits I thought to myself, "I wonder if a machine this small is finely tuned to every component?" So, I replace the SSD with a 5400 RPM Hitachi Travelstar (160G). Voila. Building enlightenment and doing a make -j 4 buildkernel brings the temperature only up to 71C at the very highest. It would seem that speed really does kill :-) Best, George --Apple-Mail-25--16972943 content-type: application/pgp-signature; x-mac-type=70674453; name=PGP.sig content-description: This is a digitally signed message part content-disposition: inline; filename=PGP.sig content-transfer-encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAklqJfEACgkQYdh2wUQKM9JnqwCcD/4cxCiUNwBVXjY9fKRBl1Gv wlQAoLzYtlDX/fwR6iDHZNdjDpP4W3Pt =Yy2v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail-25--16972943-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 11 17:23:01 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F982106566C for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194288FC0C for ; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id n0BHN0lv043428; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:23:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0BHMw9T040439; Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from [172.16.1.200] (cpe-68-175-68-135.nyc.res.rr.com [68.175.68.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0BHMvgh088161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:22:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Message-Id: <63E09048-9959-4ECA-BAC3-199F1BDA2778@neville-neil.com> From: George Neville-Neil To: Ilya Bakulin In-Reply-To: <20090111105918.1fe5d499.webmaster@kibab.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1; boundary="Apple-Mail-26--15694132" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 12:22:56 -0500 References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <20090111105918.1fe5d499.webmaster@kibab.com> X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.2.0 (v56) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 2983766 - 21c38283dafb X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:23:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --Apple-Mail-26--15694132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Jan 11, 2009, at 02:59 , Ilya Bakulin wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:37:15 -0500 > George Neville-Neil wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. >> Basically 7.1 and >> then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and >> that is >> overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going >> to 97C >> and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j >> anything other >> than 1 also fails. >> >> I found this thread on stable@ >> >> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html >> >> but have not found anything to address the problem. >> >> One change I did make was to switch from ULE to 4BSD, since the >> thread >> talked >> about going from 6.2, where 4BSD is the default, to 7.0. This did >> not >> have any >> appreciable effect. >> >> The only physical change to the machine was to go from a spinning >> HDD, >> to a Flash >> based SSD (Intel 80G). I don't think the flash drive is adding heat >> but perhaps >> the fact that I/O is now faster is leading to overheating? >> >> Thoughts or suggestions welcome. >> >> Best, >> George >> >> > Did you try using powerd and/or Cx states of your processor? > There are several discussions about these things found at mobile@, > stable@ and many other places. For example, this thread at FreeBSD > forums: http://forums.freebsd.org/showthread.php?t=172 > > P.S. As I know from reading list discussions, some IBM Thinkpads > really have problems with overheating. > You may also read this thread, especially about your laptop model: http://unix.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/FreeBSD/stable/2008-01/msg00100.html > > And here is how Josh Paetzel managed to get rid of overheating > (using Lenovo T61): http://www.mail-archive.com/freebsd-stable@freebsd.org/msg96655.html > > Hope these links will help you. > -- > Ilya Bakulin > xmpp://kibab612@jabber.ru OK, scratch the last message. Something that either a) I added to the kernel or b) something someone added to the kernel since 7.1 Still looking. 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Please note that you can also reach me at: danielmark@gmx.com or FAX: +44 870 490 1653 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 17:13:56 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1D5D10656C6 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2E48FC20 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:13:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0EHDtek057936; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:13:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0EHDHld092287; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:13:17 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from gnnmac.hudson-trading.com (209.249.190.8.available.above.net [209.249.190.8] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0EHDG2K023532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:13:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Message-Id: From: George Neville-Neil To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-Reply-To: <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:13:15 -0500 References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 3015934 - f5f51adcb676 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:13:58 -0000 On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:06 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: >> > That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different > subjects... > > Did you try setting > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C > > in /etc/sysctl.conf? > Yes, that is now set and it keeps the machine from overheating BUT the machine bounces around alot when doing any real work, like a build. So the heat gets up to 80 then the CPU goes down to 125, then the heat comes down etc. > If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is > X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit > machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to > recall > that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone > was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? > I am running i386 as well and I think our machines are identical. I have been avoiding bringing it into the office (so I get $realwork done) but may bring it in this week to tinker while builds run. > Are you using powerd? > > I do: > powerd_enable="YES" > powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" > I have tried powerd but, at least emprically, it seemed to cause the bouncing heat/CPU speed issue to be worse, that is, higher peaks and troughs. > What is the output of sysctl hw.acpi.thermal under light/idle load? > > Mine is: > hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 40.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 127.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 40.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.active: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.passive_cooling: 1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.thermal_flags: 0 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 75.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._HOT: -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._CRT: 97.0C > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC1: 5 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC2: 4 > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TSP: 600 > It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 and tz1 are 60 and 62 respectively. > Are you loading acpi_ibm? If yes, what is the output of sysctl > dev.acpi_ibm ? > > Mine is: > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 2181 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 10 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2911 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 40 43 -1 40 31 -1 30 -1 > Mine is again hotter, 60 or so on the first thermal. > Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? > That I am not doing as yet. > What is the output of sysctl dev.cpu? > > Mine is: > dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU > dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu > dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 > dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 40 > dev.cpu.0.freq: 1166 > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1833/31000 1603/27125 1374/23250 1333/20000 > 1166/17500 1000/13000 875/11375 750/9750 625/8125 500/6500 375/4875 > 250/3250 125/1625 > dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 > dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 > dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 0.00% 100.00% 0.00% > dev.cpu.1.%desc: ACPI CPU > dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu > dev.cpu.1.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU1 > dev.cpu.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > dev.cpu.1.%parent: acpi0 > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 40 > dev.cpu.1.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 > dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C3 > dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 0.00% 99.99% 0.00% > I think I have one higher level, 2000/something at the start. I'll look tonight or tomorrow. > I might think of something else, but let's start with the stuff above. > Sounds good, I'll get real output tonight/tomorrow. > I guess, I should mention that I have a habit of emptying about a half > of the can of compressed air into the grille on the left of the > machine > every few months or so. I have read things like this on the net as well. I can try that when I bring the box in to work as well. 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(pool-70-111-173-38.nwrk.east.verizon.net [70.111.173.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm15184735yxt.1.2009.01.14.09.06.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 09:06:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: George Neville-Neil In-Reply-To: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:06:06 -0500 Message-Id: <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:34:45 -0000 On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 00:37 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > Hi, > > I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. > Basically 7.1 and > then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and > that is > overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going > to 97C > and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j > anything other > than 1 also fails. > > I found this thread on stable@ > > http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-stable/2008-January/039452.html > > but have not found anything to address the problem. That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different subjects... Did you try setting hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C in /etc/sysctl.conf? If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to recall that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? Are you using powerd? I do: powerd_enable="YES" powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" What is the output of sysctl hw.acpi.thermal under light/idle load? Mine is: hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 40.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 127.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 40.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.active: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.passive_cooling: 1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.thermal_flags: 0 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 75.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._HOT: -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._CRT: 97.0C hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC1: 5 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC2: 4 hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TSP: 600 Are you loading acpi_ibm? If yes, what is the output of sysctl dev.acpi_ibm ? Mine is: dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 2181 dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 10 dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2911 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 40 43 -1 40 31 -1 30 -1 Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? What is the output of sysctl dev.cpu? Mine is: dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.0.temperature: 40 dev.cpu.0.freq: 1166 dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1833/31000 1603/27125 1374/23250 1333/20000 1166/17500 1000/13000 875/11375 750/9750 625/8125 500/6500 375/4875 250/3250 125/1625 dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 0.00% 100.00% 0.00% dev.cpu.1.%desc: ACPI CPU dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu dev.cpu.1.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU1 dev.cpu.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 dev.cpu.1.%parent: acpi0 dev.cpu.1.temperature: 40 dev.cpu.1.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C3 dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 0.00% 99.99% 0.00% I might think of something else, but let's start with the stuff above. I guess, I should mention that I have a habit of emptying about a half of the can of compressed air into the grille on the left of the machine every few months or so. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 18:19:35 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C0410659E5 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:19:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f21.google.com (mail-gx0-f21.google.com [209.85.217.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FCDF8FC29 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:19:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: by gxk14 with SMTP id 14so726112gxk.19 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:19:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RqIwieIBerxyDhbOInEHp025fa2achTyqUQDkwoBwhM=; b=oi00ypn6Pr8xHReC3VPjDGU6Truwn8SfsswnbydoOxSyMmhNR+5XECM3RwX0pAJJPv KKhywXj/DxIHHwK7haV/IJl+qUmnUUxcs/Rk9jg89BtDvkLT5vfcTVmXSw5b93Mmedy7 b72q9tLNQESQOkLWq8Q9f9OA1l5/4RR+RYrD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=Fj7gT2vgBBJtZ0LtXf1+pA1etJS9XZ+0Xal5UfD/l8/kW9Uqh7+FC6VbJljkxoW43l GgxfNKoBh9yRG8kmMn4Wvaw6lW2rImjS5dxND6apY8DA7KfhKssnv2JsCpoQhoOJRiBR ZvlBPc5Lyr8hobddU2o3Wz19zKid8QQIQOXlI= Received: by 10.90.83.2 with SMTP id g2mr269060agb.79.1231957169560; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:19:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.3.231? ([70.111.173.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 38sm67060704agd.18.2009.01.14.10.19.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:19:29 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: George Neville-Neil In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:19:01 -0500 Message-Id: <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:19:49 -0000 On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 12:13 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:06 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > > >> > > That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different > > subjects... > > > > Did you try setting > > > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C > > > > in /etc/sysctl.conf? > > > Yes, that is now set and it keeps the machine from overheating BUT > the machine bounces around alot when doing any real work, like a build. > So the heat gets up to 80 then the CPU goes down to 125, then the heat > comes > down etc. I guess, we are down to expectations management here ;) I do no expect 1.83 GHz dualcore CPU, 3GB of RAM and 160GB of 5400RPM disk to be able to run at the top performance within 4 lbs package for any protracted period of time. I am quite happy with it doing -STABLE buildword under hour-and-a-half and re-encoding DVD movies at ~250fps. Or building OpenOffice.org under two days ;) > > If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is > > X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit > > machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to > > recall > > that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone > > was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? > > > > I am running i386 as well and I think our machines are identical. Judging by "2000/Something" you have mentioned below, I suspect not. > I have tried powerd but, at least emprically, it seemed to cause > the bouncing heat/CPU speed issue to be worse, that is, higher peaks > and troughs. Just out of curiosity -- what are you using to visualize this? I was tempted a few times to put something together, but never really sat down to do it. > It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 > and tz1 are > 60 and 62 respectively. I shall turn off powerd and Cx levels later today and see what I get than. > > > > Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? There are opinions whether doing C3 on one core (as I do) gains you anything, but, I believe, there is general consensus about C2. In my case, it seems to improve both battery life and heat dissipation. > I think I have one higher level, 2000/something at the start. I'll > look tonight > or tomorrow. That, likely means 2GHz processor, and AFAICR 64-bit capable to boot. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 18:21:36 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DACCE1065676 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal2.es.net [198.128.3.206]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD6FF8FC1B for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:21:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal3.es.net [198.128.3.207]) by postal2.es.net (Postal Node 2) with ESMTP (SSL) id VTY43154; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:10:54 -0800 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [198.128.4.29]) by postal3.es.net (Postal Node 3) with ESMTP (SSL) id VTY39952; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:10:52 -0800 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 337131CC0B; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:10:52 -0800 (PST) To: George Neville-Neil In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:13:15 EST." Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:10:52 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20090114181052.337131CC0B@ptavv.es.net> X-Sender-IP: 198.128.3.207 X-Sender-Domain: es.net X-Recipent: ; ; ; X-Sender: X-To_Name: George Neville-Neil X-To_Domain: neville-neil.com X-To: George Neville-Neil X-To_Email: gnn@neville-neil.com X-To_Alias: gnn Cc: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:21:37 -0000 > From: George Neville-Neil > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:13:15 -0500 > Sender: owner-freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org > > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:06 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > > >> > > That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different > > subjects... > > > > Did you try setting > > > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C > > > > in /etc/sysctl.conf? > > > Yes, that is now set and it keeps the machine from overheating BUT > the machine bounces around alot when doing any real work, like a build. > So the heat gets up to 80 then the CPU goes down to 125, then the heat > comes > down etc. > > > If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is > > X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit > > machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to > > recall > > that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone > > was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? > > > > I am running i386 as well and I think our machines are identical. I > have been > avoiding bringing it into the office (so I get $realwork done) but may > bring it in > this week to tinker while builds run. > > > Are you using powerd? > > > > I do: > > powerd_enable="YES" > > powerd_flags="-a adaptive -b adaptive -i 75 -r 65" > > > > I have tried powerd but, at least emprically, it seemed to cause > the bouncing heat/CPU speed issue to be worse, that is, higher peaks > and troughs. > > > What is the output of sysctl hw.acpi.thermal under light/idle load? > > > > Mine is: > > hw.acpi.thermal.min_runtime: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.polling_rate: 10 > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override: 1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.temperature: 40.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.active: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.passive_cooling: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0.thermal_flags: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._PSV: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._HOT: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._CRT: 127.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC1: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TC2: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz0._TSP: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.temperature: 40.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.active: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.passive_cooling: 1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1.thermal_flags: 0 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV: 75.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._HOT: -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._CRT: 97.0C > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._ACx: -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC1: 5 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TC2: 4 > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._TSP: 600 > > > > > It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 > and tz1 are > 60 and 62 respectively. > > > Are you loading acpi_ibm? If yes, what is the output of sysctl > > dev.acpi_ibm ? > > > > Mine is: > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%desc: IBM ThinkPad ACPI Extras > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%driver: acpi_ibm > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%location: handle=\_SB_.PCI0.LPC_.EC__.HKEY > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=IBM0068 _UID=0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.%parent: acpi0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.initialmask: 2060 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.availmask: 16777215 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.events: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.eventmask: 2060 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.hotkey: 2181 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.lcd_brightness: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.volume: 10 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.mute: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thinklight: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.wlan: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_speed: 2911 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan_level: 0 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.fan: 1 > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 40 43 -1 40 31 -1 30 -1 > > > > Mine is again hotter, 60 or so on the first thermal. > > > > Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? > > > > That I am not doing as yet. > > > What is the output of sysctl dev.cpu? > > > > Mine is: > > dev.cpu.0.%desc: ACPI CPU > > dev.cpu.0.%driver: cpu > > dev.cpu.0.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU0 > > dev.cpu.0.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > > dev.cpu.0.%parent: acpi0 > > dev.cpu.0.temperature: 40 > > dev.cpu.0.freq: 1166 > > dev.cpu.0.freq_levels: 1833/31000 1603/27125 1374/23250 1333/20000 > > 1166/17500 1000/13000 875/11375 750/9750 625/8125 500/6500 375/4875 > > 250/3250 125/1625 > > dev.cpu.0.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 > > dev.cpu.0.cx_lowest: C2 > > dev.cpu.0.cx_usage: 0.00% 100.00% 0.00% > > dev.cpu.1.%desc: ACPI CPU > > dev.cpu.1.%driver: cpu > > dev.cpu.1.%location: handle=\_PR_.CPU1 > > dev.cpu.1.%pnpinfo: _HID=none _UID=0 > > dev.cpu.1.%parent: acpi0 > > dev.cpu.1.temperature: 40 > > dev.cpu.1.cx_supported: C1/1 C2/1 C3/17 > > dev.cpu.1.cx_lowest: C3 > > dev.cpu.1.cx_usage: 0.00% 99.99% 0.00% > > > > I think I have one higher level, 2000/something at the start. I'll > look tonight > or tomorrow. > > > I might think of something else, but let's start with the stuff above. > > > > Sounds good, I'll get real output tonight/tomorrow. > > > I guess, I should mention that I have a habit of emptying about a half > > of the can of compressed air into the grille on the left of the > > machine > > every few months or so. > > > I have read things like this on the net as well. I can try that when > I bring the box into work as well. Or just remove the keyboard (simple on every ThinkPad I have owned, but I've never owned an X series) and blow into the exhaust vent. There is nothing in there that will care about a bit of humid air and it will probably dislodge a big cloud of dust. I have seen this drop the CPU temperature by 20 degrees. Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up the spec at Intel's web site. -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) E-mail: oberman@es.net Phone: +1 510 486-8634 Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4 EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751 From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 18:25:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B24FC10656BD for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7251D8FC18 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0EIP1W7001730; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:25:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0EIOZjG031922; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:24:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from gnnmac.hudson-trading.com (209.249.190.8.available.above.net [209.249.190.8] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0EIOYwT043192 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:24:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Message-Id: <25D09A8A-A889-422C-85A4-228708DAA5DD@neville-neil.com> From: George Neville-Neil To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-Reply-To: <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:24:33 -0500 References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 3016928 - 3ac845c70e91 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:25:08 -0000 On Jan 14, 2009, at 13:19 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > 1.83 GHz dualcore CPU, 3GB of RAM and 160GB of 5400RPM disk to be able > to run at the top performance within 4 lbs package for any protracted > period of time. I am quite happy with it doing -STABLE buildword under > hour-and-a-half and re-encoding DVD movies at ~250fps. Or building > OpenOffice.org under two days ;) > Well performance wise it's fine, I just got worried when the heat bounce around so much. The one worrying thing is that with 7.1 RELEASE this does not happen. So something, either in the kernel, or my configuration files, changed. I had a mergemaster issue that I thought was between 7.1 STABLE -> CURRENT but perhaps it happened the first time I updated from 7.1 RELEASE. I know this because I had problems with an unrelated part of the system (wireless) that a mergemaster run on CURRENT fixed. > Judging by "2000/Something" you have mentioned below, I suspect not. > Well, we'll know tomorrow. > > Just out of curiosity -- what are you using to visualize this? I was > tempted a few times to put something together, but never really sat > down > to do it. > Nothing fancy: while 1 sysctl dev.acpi_ibm.thermal sleep 3 end >> It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 >> and tz1 are >> 60 and 62 respectively. > I shall turn off powerd and Cx levels later today and see what I get > than. > OK, thanks. >>> >>> Are you setting Cx levels in rc.conf? > There are opinions whether doing C3 on one core (as I do) gains you > anything, but, I believe, there is general consensus about C2. In my > case, it seems to improve both battery life and heat dissipation. > OK, I will that tonight. >> I think I have one higher level, 2000/something at the start. I'll >> look tonight >> or tomorrow. > That, likely means 2GHz processor, and AFAICR 64-bit capable to boot. Hmm. I'll have to check. Thanks again, George From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 18:48:17 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 923D51065673 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:48:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C118FC20 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:48:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gaijin.k@gmail.com) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so282362yxb.13 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:48:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:cc :in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=J1Q9JiSxMk/bdy6FvgT1XAqJIuoVt0FMwOrsG+rPaIc=; b=SOT8WxH4hAM59urhQrCzeZZwV4s9S3qhV9Gv6jqnJWv31/tGhnFzdCps0R4MMMEEPG Y28kWMOR+duROpRdX1Cptph9xL1ZxJ6quuWvMvAn1is6s07Ob2f9dUmdolVPcy1u3ZhZ hn2OPrAtJe3K6uvJNw6EQiR8GQU+vbJsnHbbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=B+IMBFhHZMhe6zsDQ6jjmT+VBhxDDXAbsjgBcDJkUd6rsHmxPDk/ME+vhAR1KzFPvf 4oRufqvRugOyUB2OmfHQHH4dijWWxuB4J69rfIP0faZ2CIbRGbZfmPGFS0Bllt9MrDKZ +THbDgry8QDYM8LXtbQeq9YOkyU2Em3FDNDb8= Received: by 10.90.99.6 with SMTP id w6mr298327agb.81.1231958894692; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.3.231? ([70.111.173.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm273333agb.22.2009.01.14.10.48.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:48:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: Kevin Oberman In-Reply-To: <20090114181052.337131CC0B@ptavv.es.net> References: <20090114181052.337131CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 -0500 Message-Id: <1231958866.1172.58.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: George Neville-Neil , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:48:18 -0000 On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:10 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 > system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based > T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I > suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up > the spec at Intel's web site. I think 85C was the default on my laptop. I have lowered it because such a tight package gets uncomfortable on one's lap otherwise. -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 18:49:33 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4826106566B for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brix@FreeBSD.org) Received: from solow.pil.dk (relay.pil.dk [195.41.47.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630E48FC08 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brix@FreeBSD.org) Received: from tirith.brixandersen.dk (0x55534f5f.adsl.cybercity.dk [85.83.79.95]) by solow.pil.dk (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 338371CC216 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:30:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by tirith.brixandersen.dk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4AD0C11436; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:30:47 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:30:46 +0100 From: Henrik Brix Andersen To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090114183046.GD85379@tirith.brixandersen.dk> References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cmJC7u66zC7hs+87" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> X-PGP-Key: http://www.brixandersen.dk/files/HenrikBrixAndersen.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:49:33 -0000 --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 12:37:15AM -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > I just got a Thinkpad X60 and have installed 7.1 STABLE on it. =20 > Basically 7.1 and > then updated to stable as of 10 Jan. I have one major problem and =20 > that is > overheating. I cannot run even a long compile without the CPU going =20 > to 97C > and shutting down. Trying to do something like a buildkernel with -j =20 > anything other > than 1 also fails. I have an X60s, and I too experienced overheating issues in the past - but they turned out to be caused by dust in the heating vent. I carefully used a vacuum cleaner for cleaning out the dust from the heating vent, and the temperature reported by ACPI dropped by approx. 10 C. Brix --=20 Henrik Brix Andersen --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) Comment: GnuPG signed iEYEARECAAYFAkluL1YACgkQv+Q4flTiePjcbwCgnUh3kv6MvHPgHAU6Y/fx7G74 HA4An0HMjcnTtGi580oMDaaqtJwgF9lI =PiYo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cmJC7u66zC7hs+87-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 19:40:14 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2253C1065692 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from postal1.es.net (postal1.es.net [198.128.3.205]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 072E78FC19 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:40:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oberman@es.net) Received: from ptavv.es.net by postal1.es.net (Postal Node 1) with ESMTP (SSL) id VUC70013; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:40:13 -0800 Received: from ptavv.es.net (ptavv.es.net [127.0.0.1]) by ptavv.es.net (Tachyon Server) with ESMTP id 8241F1CC0B; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:40:13 -0800 (PST) To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 EST." <1231958866.1172.58.camel@RabbitsDen> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:40:13 -0800 From: "Kevin Oberman" Message-Id: <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> X-Sender-IP: 198.128.4.29 X-Sender-Domain: es.net X-Recipent: ; ; ; X-Sender: X-To_Name: Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko X-To_Domain: gmail.com X-To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" X-To_Email: gaijin.k@gmail.com X-To_Alias: gaijin.k Cc: George Neville-Neil , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:40:16 -0000 > From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 -0500 > > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:10 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 > > system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based > > T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I > > suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up > > the spec at Intel's web site. > I think 85C was the default on my laptop. I have lowered it because such > a tight package gets uncomfortable on one's lap otherwise. If your employer has ergonomic reviews, I'm sure that they will point out that a laptop should never be used when sitting on ones lap! Our ergo people think it's great that some modern laptops get so hot so people are reminded not to do this. :-) -- R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) Ernest O. 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([70.111.173.38]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm67124158aga.10.2009.01.14.11.48.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 11:48:05 -0800 (PST) From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" To: Kevin Oberman In-Reply-To: <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> References: <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:47:35 -0500 Message-Id: <1231962455.93766.2.camel@RabbitsDen> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: George Neville-Neil , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:48:07 -0000 On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 11:40 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" > > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 -0500 > > > > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:10 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > > > > Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old P4 > > > system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M based > > > T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I > > > suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up > > > the spec at Intel's web site. > > I think 85C was the default on my laptop. I have lowered it because such > > a tight package gets uncomfortable on one's lap otherwise. > > If your employer has ergonomic reviews, I'm sure that they will point > out that a laptop should never be used when sitting on ones lap! Our ergo > people think it's great that some modern laptops get so hot so people > are reminded not to do this. :-) This is the personal piece of hardware. I wish my employer would let me run FreeBSD on my laptop... -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 14 20:07:34 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85ACC106567F for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:07:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [69.66.77.232]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB9A8FC29 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:07:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: from lor.one-eyed-alien.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0EJkm3R068879; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:46:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brooks@lor.one-eyed-alien.net) Received: (from brooks@localhost) by lor.one-eyed-alien.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id n0EJkmYl068878; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:46:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from brooks) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:46:48 -0600 From: Brooks Davis To: Kevin Oberman Message-ID: <20090114194648.GA68555@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> References: <1231958866.1172.58.camel@RabbitsDen> <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="/04w6evG8XlLl3ft" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20090114194013.8241F1CC0B@ptavv.es.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (lor.one-eyed-alien.net [127.0.0.1]); Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:46:48 -0600 (CST) Cc: George Neville-Neil , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:07:35 -0000 --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:40:13AM -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > > From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" > > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 13:47:46 -0500 > >=20 > > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 10:10 -0800, Kevin Oberman wrote: > >=20 > > > Also, 75C is a VERY conservative setting for most modern CPUs. My old= P4 > > > system (T40) is speced to run at up to 90C and my newer Pentium-M bas= ed > > > T43 is speced at 100C. _PSV is 94.5 and _CRT is 99.0 on that system. I > > > suspect that yours would be fine with _PSV of 85C, but you can look up > > > the spec at Intel's web site. > > I think 85C was the default on my laptop. I have lowered it because such > > a tight package gets uncomfortable on one's lap otherwise. >=20 > If your employer has ergonomic reviews, I'm sure that they will point > out that a laptop should never be used when sitting on ones lap! Our ergo > people think it's great that some modern laptops get so hot so people > are reminded not to do this. :-) While this is ergonomics conventional wisdom, it isn't entierly true for all people. On the advice of a physical therepist, I work almost exclusivly with a laptop in my lap while sitting on a couch and only have strain issues when forced to work at a desk. -- Brooks --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFJbkEnXY6L6fI4GtQRAiQoAKDiP9mJizx5gmDst1SbIBwfZUpFQwCgqjYW yYfPumALEEkN0wsZ4demfbs= =RvWo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --/04w6evG8XlLl3ft-- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 04:07:48 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30511065675 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12F58FC1A for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:07:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from [10.0.3.231] ([70.111.173.38]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KDH00DHASKG0XO0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2009 21:05:05 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:04:49 -0500 From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-reply-to: <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> To: George Neville-Neil Message-id: <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:07:49 -0000 On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 13:19 -0500, Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-14 at 12:13 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > > On Jan 14, 2009, at 12:06 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > > > > >> > > > That thread forked and re-forked a few times under the different > > > subjects... > > > > > > Did you try setting > > > > > > hw.acpi.thermal.user_override=1 > > > hw.acpi.thermal.tz1._PSV=75C > > > > > > in /etc/sysctl.conf? > > > > > Yes, that is now set and it keeps the machine from overheating BUT > > the machine bounces around alot when doing any real work, like a build. > > So the heat gets up to 80 then the CPU goes down to 125, then the heat > > comes > > down etc. > I guess, we are down to expectations management here ;) I do no expect > 1.83 GHz dualcore CPU, 3GB of RAM and 160GB of 5400RPM disk to be able > to run at the top performance within 4 lbs package for any protracted > period of time. I am quite happy with it doing -STABLE buildword under > hour-and-a-half and re-encoding DVD movies at ~250fps. Or building > OpenOffice.org under two days ;) > > > > If not, we can start by comparing machines and configurations. Mine is > > > X60 (1709-something) with 1.83GHz "Core Not-2 Duo" which is 32-bit > > > machine and I am running i386 version of -STABLE on it. I seem to > > > recall > > > that there are 64-bit capable X60 models out there as well and someone > > > was running amd64 flavor on it. What's yours? > > > > > > > I am running i386 as well and I think our machines are identical. > Judging by "2000/Something" you have mentioned below, I suspect not. > > > I have tried powerd but, at least emprically, it seemed to cause > > the bouncing heat/CPU speed issue to be worse, that is, higher peaks > > and troughs. > Just out of curiosity -- what are you using to visualize this? I was > tempted a few times to put something together, but never really sat down > to do it. > > > It NEVER gets down to 40 except when I turn it on. At idle the tz0 > > and tz1 are > > 60 and 62 respectively. > I shall turn off powerd and Cx levels later today and see what I get > than. After sitting idle at 1.83GHz and C1 for 5 minutes after boot it did not move off 43 and 45 respectively. Fan was turning on and off, though. Few things I should have mentioned, which might or might not be related: -- I set hw.pci.do_power_nodriver to "3" -- I do not build USB into the kernel and I do not load USB modules by default -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 11:07:41 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3833010656C5 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:07:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from mail.pica.nl (mail.pica.nl [192.87.44.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C98748FC0A for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Matthias.Apitz@oclc.org) Received: from rebelion.Sisis.de ([10.0.1.29]) by mail.pica.nl with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:55:36 +0100 Received: (from guru@localhost) by rebelion.Sisis.de (8.14.2/8.13.8/Submit) id n0FAtVKV006951 for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:55:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from matthias.apitz@oclc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: rebelion.Sisis.de: guru set sender to matthias.apitz@oclc.org using -f Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:55:31 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20090115105531.GA6917@rebelion.Sisis.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 7.0-STABLE (i386) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jan 2009 10:55:36.0909 (UTC) FILETIME=[CC0FB7D0:01C976FF] Subject: eeePC 900 && cam X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Matthias Apitz List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:07:41 -0000 Hello, Is there any work in progress for the 'onboard' cam of the Asus EeePC 900 series? thx matthias -- Matthias Apitz Manager Technical Support - OCLC GmbH Gruenwalder Weg 28g - 82041 Oberhaching - Germany t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e - w http://www.oclc.org/ http://www.UnixArea.de/ b http://gurucubano.blogspot.com/ SPAMer of the year: Subject: Alle Software ist Deutsche Sprachen >From: -40 % die Neujahrsaktion From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 15:03:02 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CB01065677 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:03:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B5F8FC1C for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:03:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0FF31Nt071382; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:03:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0FF2OtV078754; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:02:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from gnnmac.hudson-trading.com (209.249.190.8.available.above.net [209.249.190.8] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0FF2NCk077968 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:02:24 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Message-Id: <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> From: George Neville-Neil To: Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko In-Reply-To: <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:02:22 -0500 References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 3027501 - bbc11ab9c3a4 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:03:03 -0000 Replying to myself again. With the settings I discussed I got thermal shutdowns doing make -j 4 buildworld after about 10 minutes each time. I am going to swap the tz0 and tz1 temperatures and try again. Since tz1 is more sensitive (the CRT is 97) it makes more sense to be more aggressive cooling it than tz0 which has a CRT of 128. Best, George From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 21:55:52 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC4D1065670 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from vms173007pub.verizon.net (vms173007pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.7]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6781E8FC12 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from [10.0.3.231] ([70.111.173.38]) by vms173007.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KDJ002AR8UDN5O0@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:54:15 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:55:23 -0500 From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-reply-to: <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> To: George Neville-Neil Message-id: <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:55:52 -0000 On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 10:02 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > Replying to myself again. > > With the settings I discussed I got thermal shutdowns doing make -j 4 > buildworld > after about 10 minutes each time. I am going to swap the tz0 and tz1 > temperatures > and try again. Since tz1 is more sensitive (the CRT is 97) it makes > more sense > to be more aggressive cooling it than tz0 which has a CRT of 128. ISTR that tz0 is some kind of a sham on X60 or, at least, on 1709-73U that I own. It does not implement _PSV, _PSL, _TC1, _TC2 or _TSP and is useless from passive cooling standpoint. Its _TMP method returns 128C under some conditions _regardless of measured temperature_. Did you actually see any attempts at passive cooling when you overrode _PSV in tz0? > Best, > George > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko (Олександр Коваленко) From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 15 22:11:04 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5FB1065675 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10D5B8FC1A for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:11:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0FMB1H8002216; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:11:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0FMAo1G095324; Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from gnnmac.hudson-trading.com (209.249.190.8.available.above.net [209.249.190.8] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0FM9pqR086078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:10:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Message-Id: <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> From: George Neville-Neil To: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-Reply-To: <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:10:49 -0500 References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 3033178 - 8ba356726a18 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 22:11:04 -0000 On Jan 15, 2009, at 16:55 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 10:02 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: >> Replying to myself again. >> >> With the settings I discussed I got thermal shutdowns doing make -j 4 >> buildworld >> after about 10 minutes each time. I am going to swap the tz0 and tz1 >> temperatures >> and try again. Since tz1 is more sensitive (the CRT is 97) it makes >> more sense >> to be more aggressive cooling it than tz0 which has a CRT of 128. > ISTR that tz0 is some kind of a sham on X60 or, at least, on 1709-73U > that I own. It does not implement _PSV, _PSL, _TC1, _TC2 or _TSP and > is > useless from passive cooling standpoint. Its _TMP method returns 128C > under some conditions _regardless of measured temperature_. Did you > actually see any attempts at passive cooling when you overrode _PSV in > tz0? I kept overriding both, so not really sure. I am attempting to update the box because I want to know if this was a failed set of modules (7.1 and 8.0). Best, George From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 20:28:21 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1B0A106564A for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7378A8FC1A for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:28:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from josh@tcbug.org) Received: from compute1.internal (compute1.internal [10.202.2.41]) by out1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC06D22E03F; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from heartbeat2.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.161]) by compute1.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:28:20 -0500 X-Sasl-enc: fGYBS9uusvCg2tuNcSqUa1Q0XivgTUFSxS0Jny9ibtCf 1232137700 Received: from roadrash.tcbug.org (c-66-41-132-190.hsd1.mn.comcast.net [66.41.132.190]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 15E3B3A6B9; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:28:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 14:28:19 -0600 From: Josh Paetzel User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (Macintosh/20081209) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Neville-Neil References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> In-Reply-To: <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: josh@tcbug.org List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 20:28:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 George Neville-Neil wrote: > > On Jan 15, 2009, at 16:55 , Alexandre Sunny Kovalenko wrote: > >> On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 10:02 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: >>> Replying to myself again. >>> >>> With the settings I discussed I got thermal shutdowns doing make -j 4 >>> buildworld >>> after about 10 minutes each time. I am going to swap the tz0 and tz1 >>> temperatures >>> and try again. Since tz1 is more sensitive (the CRT is 97) it makes >>> more sense >>> to be more aggressive cooling it than tz0 which has a CRT of 128. >> ISTR that tz0 is some kind of a sham on X60 or, at least, on 1709-73U >> that I own. It does not implement _PSV, _PSL, _TC1, _TC2 or _TSP and is >> useless from passive cooling standpoint. Its _TMP method returns 128C >> under some conditions _regardless of measured temperature_. Did you >> actually see any attempts at passive cooling when you overrode _PSV in >> tz0? > > I kept overriding both, so not really sure. I am attempting to update > the box > because I want to know if this was a failed set of modules (7.1 and 8.0). > > Best, > George Disclaimer: I don't have an X60, I have a T60, but I had incredibly similar heat issues. A few things I've never posted before to the mailing lists. 1) My heat problems were somewhat intermittant. Enough so that it would fool me in to thinking software was fixing things. I'd try some change, and it would seem to work, or not, but every once in a while I was able to run a mke -j4 buildworld without it hitting 100C and shutting down. 2) IBM has admitted they had assembly problems. If you browse around you'll find some people who think their T60/X60/R60's are loud or have unusably high heat, and some people who think the are quiet and perfectly fine. When I took mine apart the thermal compound was very excessively applied (think 2 year old applying jelly to a sandwich) and after I cleaned it up and reassembled it I thought I had damaged it somehow as the cpu fan wasn't running at all. It turns out that with a proper amount of thermal paste it can handle low cpu load with only passive cooling. My CPU temps went from 65-70C at idle with the fan running full out to 42-45C at idle with the fan either off or barely running. At full load it went from unusable to 65C with the fan eventually ramping up to full speed after an hour or so of intensive use. You may be hitting a software issue, but my issue was caused by hardware and very intermittant, which lead me to believe it was software related for months on end. - -- Thanks, Josh Paetzel PGP: 8A48 EF36 5E9F 4EDA 5ABC 11B4 26F9 01F1 27AF AECB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAklw7eMACgkQJvkB8SevrsuMgACdHNDNGX5ithafC4HrTYvtexBC 5ncAnRvgddS5oBcV3Ae21nqoK8T9B+Cp =YWgw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 16 21:08:24 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34EBD1065670 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103948FC1B for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:08:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0GL7hGg080288; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:08:16 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0GL5g3F065386; Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:05:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from gnnmac.hudson-trading.com (209.249.190.8.available.above.net [209.249.190.8] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0GL5f32015395 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Jan 2009 13:05:42 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Message-Id: From: George Neville-Neil To: josh@tcbug.org In-Reply-To: <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:05:40 -0500 References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.930.3) X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.00 () [Tag at 5.00] X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 3044427 - 90b4192de297 X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" , freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 21:08:24 -0000 On Jan 16, 2009, at 15:28 , Josh Paetzel wrote: > > A few things I've never posted before to the mailing lists. > > 1) My heat problems were somewhat intermittant. Enough so that it > would fool me in to thinking software was fixing things. I'd try some > change, and it would seem to work, or not, but every once in a while I > was able to run a mke -j4 buildworld without it hitting 100C and > shutting down. This sounds quite familiar. > 2) IBM has admitted they had assembly problems. If you browse around > you'll find some people who think their T60/X60/R60's are loud or have > unusably high heat, and some people who think the are quiet and > perfectly fine. When I took mine apart the thermal compound was very > excessively applied (think 2 year old applying jelly to a sandwich) > and > after I cleaned it up and reassembled it I thought I had damaged it > somehow as the cpu fan wasn't running at all. It turns out that > with a > proper amount of thermal paste it can handle low cpu load with only > passive cooling. My CPU temps went from 65-70C at idle with the fan > running full out to 42-45C at idle with the fan either off or barely > running. At full load it went from unusable to 65C with the fan > eventually ramping up to full speed after an hour or so of intensive > use. > > You may be hitting a software issue, but my issue was caused by > hardware > and very intermittant, which lead me to believe it was software > related > for months on end. > I started down the path of opening the box but it's pretty complex and even with the manual getting to the CPU seemed fraught with peril. If there were a site like ifixit that had a good set of "to get to the CPU" I might attempt it again. There are some factors that lead me away from a hardware problem: 1) This machine was previously owned by my other half, who ran XP and Vista on it with no problems. 2) It really does seem related to 7.1 RELEASE vs. 7.1 STABLE and CURRENT. I have re-installed RELEASE twice and built -j 4 on it with no problems. That being said, I may still look at the CPU paste. Thanks, Geore From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 13:35:08 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1033D1065672 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:35:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57248FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex.kovalenko@verizon.net) Received: from [10.0.3.231] ([70.111.173.38]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0KDM009D0AUDG3R6@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:30:21 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 08:34:40 -0500 From: "Alexandre \"Sunny\" Kovalenko" In-reply-to: To: George Neville-Neil Message-id: <1232199280.86094.10.camel@RabbitsDen> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.24.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> Cc: josh@tcbug.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:35:08 -0000 On Fri, 2009-01-16 at 16:05 -0500, George Neville-Neil wrote: > On Jan 16, 2009, at 15:28 , Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > > A few things I've never posted before to the mailing lists. > > > > 1) My heat problems were somewhat intermittant. Enough so that it > > would fool me in to thinking software was fixing things. I'd try some > > change, and it would seem to work, or not, but every once in a while I > > was able to run a mke -j4 buildworld without it hitting 100C and > > shutting down. > > This sounds quite familiar. > > > 2) IBM has admitted they had assembly problems. If you browse around > > you'll find some people who think their T60/X60/R60's are loud or have > > unusably high heat, and some people who think the are quiet and > > perfectly fine. When I took mine apart the thermal compound was very > > excessively applied (think 2 year old applying jelly to a sandwich) > > and > > after I cleaned it up and reassembled it I thought I had damaged it > > somehow as the cpu fan wasn't running at all. It turns out that > > with a > > proper amount of thermal paste it can handle low cpu load with only > > passive cooling. My CPU temps went from 65-70C at idle with the fan > > running full out to 42-45C at idle with the fan either off or barely > > running. At full load it went from unusable to 65C with the fan > > eventually ramping up to full speed after an hour or so of intensive > > use. > > > > You may be hitting a software issue, but my issue was caused by > > hardware > > and very intermittant, which lead me to believe it was software > > related > > for months on end. > > > > I started down the path of opening the box but it's pretty complex and > even with the manual > getting to the CPU seemed fraught with peril. If there were a site > like ifixit > that had a good set of "to get to the CPU" I might attempt it again. > > There are some factors that lead me away from a hardware problem: > > 1) This machine was previously owned by my other half, who ran XP and > Vista on it > with no problems. > > 2) It really does seem related to 7.1 RELEASE vs. 7.1 STABLE and > CURRENT. I have re-installed > RELEASE twice and built -j 4 on it with no problems. What are your idle temperatures with the -RELEASE? If they are still in 60s, I'd say Josh is right and -RELEASE is just masking hardware problem better than -STABLE. If they are down to more reasonable 40s, I would look some more into the software -- taking apart X60 will be harder than taking apart T60 or R60 -- there are pieces of the casing that break off easily enough even during the normal use. Like the molding around the infrared sensor on the front right. Just my 2c. > > That being said, I may still look at the CPU paste. > > Thanks, > Geore > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-mobile > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-mobile-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Alexandre "Sunny" Kovalenko From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 14:04:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D6B1065672 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tamaru@psc.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from mail4.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (mail3.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.205.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1908FC13 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tamaru@psc.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from mail0.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (mail0.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.45.132]) by mail4.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5015B128C for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:20:44 +0900 (JST) Received: from ms004.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ms004.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.70.174]) by mail0.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDF21BE800C for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:20:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from gin.myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp (157.82.72.158 [157.82.72.158]) by ms004.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (deepsmtpd.stn.b 3.5.75) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:20:34 +0900 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:20:33 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hiroharu Tamaru To: George Neville-Neil In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.3 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-IP: 157.82.72.158 X-FROM-DOMAIN: psc.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp X-FROM-EMAIL: tamaru@psc.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:04:27 -0000 Hi, At Fri, 16 Jan 2009 16:05:40 -0500,George Neville-Neil wrote: > On Jan 16, 2009, at 15:28 , Josh Paetzel wrote: > > > > A few things I've never posted before to the mailing lists. > > > > 1) My heat problems were somewhat intermittant. Enough so that it > > would fool me in to thinking software was fixing things. I'd try some > > change, and it would seem to work, or not, but every once in a while I > > was able to run a mke -j4 buildworld without it hitting 100C and > > shutting down. > > This sounds quite familiar. > > > 2) IBM has admitted they had assembly problems. If you browse around > > you'll find some people who think their T60/X60/R60's are loud or have > > unusably high heat, and some people who think the are quiet and > > perfectly fine. When I took mine apart the thermal compound was very > > excessively applied (think 2 year old applying jelly to a sandwich) > > and > > after I cleaned it up and reassembled it I thought I had damaged it > > somehow as the cpu fan wasn't running at all. It turns out that > > with a > > proper amount of thermal paste it can handle low cpu load with only > > passive cooling. My CPU temps went from 65-70C at idle with the fan > > running full out to 42-45C at idle with the fan either off or barely > > running. At full load it went from unusable to 65C with the fan > > eventually ramping up to full speed after an hour or so of intensive > > use. > > > > You may be hitting a software issue, but my issue was caused by > > hardware > > and very intermittant, which lead me to believe it was software > > related > > for months on end. > > > > I started down the path of opening the box but it's pretty complex and > even with the manual > getting to the CPU seemed fraught with peril. If there were a site > like ifixit > that had a good set of "to get to the CPU" I might attempt it again. > > There are some factors that lead me away from a hardware problem: > > 1) This machine was previously owned by my other half, who ran XP and > Vista on it > with no problems. > > 2) It really does seem related to 7.1 RELEASE vs. 7.1 STABLE and > CURRENT. I have re-installed > RELEASE twice and built -j 4 on it with no problems. > > That being said, I may still look at the CPU paste. Yes, I advise you so too. My colleague and I both have X60, purchased at around the same time but from totally different suppliers. Mine was fine, but for my colleague's X60, it started to shut itself down very frequently after upgradeing it to 7.x. We also suspected some software problem, and we actually couldn't prove it otherwise, but re-greasing the CPU paste solved our issue as well, and we were done with it. IIRC, some one claimed that the current ULE scheduler makes a better use of the CPU than previous ones, not to mention windows. Well, probably yes, but probably not...;-) And yes, even after this surgery, mine run a little cooler than his, with a very similar load, watching them side by side. What was a little different from most reports (in English) was that in our case, the paste on the heatsink didn't look like it reached the CPU (or was it the north bridge..?), so we rather added some silicone paste. There are some of these reported in Japanese if you google around, FWIW. This may help you to get to the CPU: http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-62866.html which links to: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf See Page 92 (pdf page 102/242) I do remember that there were some subtle places (though we worked without any documents), and I do remember that there were some screws that had more than one thing to hold, on front and backside of the main board. So look carefully before touching each screw! YMMV, of course. Hiroharu Tamaru From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 14:54:43 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139F81065670 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:54:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tamaru@psc.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from mail0.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (mail0.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.45.132]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAEDF8FC19 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:54:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tamaru@psc.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp) Received: from ms001.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (ms001.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp [133.11.70.171]) by mail0.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05AAB1CD8001 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:54:42 +0900 (JST) Received: from gin.myn.rcast.u-tokyo.ac.jp (157.82.72.158 [157.82.72.158]) by ms001.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp (deepsmtpd.stn.b 3.5.75) with ESMTP id for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:54:35 +0900 Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:54:34 +0900 Message-ID: From: Hiroharu Tamaru To: George Neville-Neil In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.6 Emacs/21.3 (i386--freebsd) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-IP: 157.82.72.158 X-FROM-DOMAIN: psc.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp X-FROM-EMAIL: tamaru@psc.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 14:54:43 -0000 At Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:20:33 +0900, Hiroharu Tamaru wrote: > This may help you to get to the CPU: > http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-62866.html > which links to: > ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf > See Page 92 (pdf page 102/242) > > I do remember that there were some subtle places (though we > worked without any documents), and I do remember that there > were some screws that had more than one thing to hold, on > front and backside of the main board. So look carefully > before touching each screw! YMMV, of course. I forgot to mention.. I also read somewhere that you can claim to Lenovo pointing this specific issue out, and they would do the reassembly for you, if you can afford to send it back and wait. Hiroharu Tamaru From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 17 15:53:55 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532BC106564A for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from proxy.meer.net (proxy.meer.net [64.13.141.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10E798FC08 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:53:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail.meer.net (mail.meer.net [64.13.141.3]) by proxy.meer.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0HFrfWb044078; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:53:53 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from mail2.meer.net (mail2.meer.net [64.13.141.16]) by mail.meer.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/meer) with ESMTP id n0HFr8jD098645; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:53:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Received: from punk.neville-neil.com.neville-neil.com (cpe-68-175-68-135.nyc.res.rr.com [68.175.68.135]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail2.meer.net (8.14.1/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n0HFr8kw015536; Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:53:08 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gnn@neville-neil.com) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:53:04 -0500 Message-ID: <86hc3yszdr.wl%gnn@neville-neil.com> From: gnn@freebsd.org To: Hiroharu Tamaru In-Reply-To: References: <111DA6F0-24FF-417C-B37B-25780F7ECFF6@neville-neil.com> <1231952766.1172.31.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231957141.1172.55.camel@RabbitsDen> <1231988689.1064.8.camel@RabbitsDen> <72FDBFF6-7BCF-4BBB-8AE8-1D8C6EBA6D89@neville-neil.com> <1232056523.96305.11.camel@RabbitsDen> <015E07DD-D73E-4F5C-98F7-01EBFF1D18CA@neville-neil.com> <4970EDE3.6060100@tcbug.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.14.0 (Africa) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.8 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Shij=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.2 (i386-portbld-freebsd7.1) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Canit-CHI2: 0.50 X-Bayes-Prob: 0.5 (Score 0, tokens from: ) X-Spam-Score: 0.10 () [Tag at 5.00] COMBINED_FROM X-CanItPRO-Stream: default X-Canit-Stats-ID: 3050575 - 047d1504316c X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 64.13.141.13 Cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Subject: Re: X60 overheating with 7.1 X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:53:55 -0000 At Sat, 17 Jan 2009 22:20:33 +0900, Hiroharu Tamaru wrote: > Yes, I advise you so too. > Well, I'll have to wait a couple of weeks until I have the time to do this but it may be time to examine the paste. > This may help you to get to the CPU: > http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-62866.html > which links to: > ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/42x3550_04.pdf > See Page 92 (pdf page 102/242) > Yup, this is the manual I read. I have a copy. Thanks. > I do remember that there were some subtle places (though we > worked without any documents), and I do remember that there > were some screws that had more than one thing to hold, on > front and backside of the main board. So look carefully > before touching each screw! YMMV, of course. Heh, yes, "subtle places" indeed. For the record, once kernels are built and the system is running without WITNESS I have an average idle temperature of 47C: (1) punk ? sysctl dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal dev.acpi_ibm.0.thermal: 47 54 -1 47 30 -1 29 -1 But the next tests will be using this as my development target and conference demo box, which is why I bought it in the first place. I have seen a few disparate pages on this box, and if I get a bit of time I'll try to summarize them on the FreebSd forums. This is the kind of information that is better in a forum than in an email thread. Thanks, George