From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 25 03:22:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D078C106564A for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:22:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from slackwarewolf@comcast.net) Received: from qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.16]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947D48FC08 for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cqp11h0051uE5Es51r9CZy; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:09:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([68.43.224.227]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id cr9A1h00v4uzdYs3cr9Bqd; Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:09:11 +0000 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2011 23:09:09 -0400 From: Allen To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110924230909.4f2af38c@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <201109241747.LAA10473@lariat.net> References: <1315784569.65036.YahooMailClassic@web113505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E726F24.8000609@comcast.net> <201109241747.LAA10473@lariat.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; i386-portbld-freebsd8.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 4.x era X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 03:22:26 -0000 On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:47:38 -0600 Brett Glass wrote: > Indeed it was. Back in those days, they didn't jump a major version > number every three or four releases. They polished and polished and > POLISHED each version of the OS. The 4.x branch reached > 4.11-RELEASE before it was shut down, and 5.x was nowhere near as > good. Wish they'd pick a branch (8-STABLE or 9-STABLE) and do this again. I remember those times too. In fact I still have my 4.0 - 4.11 CDs in my BSD binder. I too Hope that they go back to those Ultra-Stable super OSs. At least that's the way I think of it; a Super OS; That's exactly what I think of when I think of FreeBSD 4.0. -Allen From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Sep 26 02:24:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916B0106564A for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 02:24:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grog@lemis.com) Received: from w3.lemis.com (w3.lemis.com [208.86.224.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643548FC08 for ; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 02:24:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dereel.lemis.com (1032.x.rootbsd.net [208.86.224.149]) by w3.lemis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01AD3BADF; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 02:05:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dereel.lemis.com (Postfix, from userid 1004) id 92B14DAE6E; Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:05:24 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 12:05:24 +1000 From: Greg 'groggy' Lehey To: Allen Message-ID: <20110926020524.GB33683@dereel.lemis.com> References: <1315784569.65036.YahooMailClassic@web113505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <4E726F24.8000609@comcast.net> <201109241747.LAA10473@lariat.net> <20110924230909.4f2af38c@comcast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110924230909.4f2af38c@comcast.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Organization: The FreeBSD Project Phone: +61-3-5346-1370 Mobile: +61-418-838-708 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-PGP-Fingerprint: 9A1B 8202 BCCE B846 F92F 09AC 22E6 F290 507A 4223 Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 4.x era X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 02:24:38 -0000 --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday, 24 September 2011 at 23:09:09 -0400, Allen wrote: > On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 11:47:38 -0600, Brett Glass wrote: > >> Indeed it was. Back in those days, they didn't jump a major version >> number every three or four releases. They polished and polished and >> POLISHED each version of the OS. The 4.x branch reached >> 4.11-RELEASE before it was shut down, and 5.x was nowhere near as >> good. Wish they'd pick a branch (8-STABLE or 9-STABLE) and do this >> again. As you (Brett) should have known, the reason we did that was because of the enormous upheaval that 5.x represented. And we knew in advance that we'd have problems with 5.x as a result. We had already recognized the folly of keeping the same release too long with 2.x. For more background look at http://www.lemis.com/grog/diary-jun2000.php#15 > I remember those times too. In fact I still have my 4.0 - 4.11 CDs > in my BSD binder. I too Hope that they go back to those Ultra-Stable > super OSs. At least that's the way I think of it; a Super OS; That's > exactly what I think of when I think of FreeBSD 4.0. Do you find 8.x less stable? But if you want 4.x again, take a look at DragonFly. That grew out of Matt Dillon's disagreement with the direction we took for 5.x (and thus all subsequent FreeBSD releases). Greg -- Sent from my desktop computer Finger grog@FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. This message is digitally signed. If your Microsoft MUA reports problems, please read http://tinyurl.com/broken-mua --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk5/3eQACgkQIubykFB6QiN+vACeO4DNBBNARkaIeV/1X2jA5IxH KtsAn2Iw1xk+SS5ojnLu1iE7IZ1TrqgG =jz/U -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --s/l3CgOIzMHHjg/5--