From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 00:50:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E92106566B for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:50:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74F238FC13 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber7.nber.org (nber7.nber.org [66.251.72.41]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5C0onNL090584 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:50:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber7.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5C0onA7028206; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:50:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: nber7.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:50:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg To: Robert Simmons In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (LFD 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-79550136-300895293-1307839849=:28136" X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110611 #5490967, check: 20110612 clean Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 00:50:52 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---79550136-300895293-1307839849=:28136 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrote: >> >> I have tried many of the ftp sites enumerated in sysinstall, with both >> 7.4-RELEASE and 8.2-RELEASE, and in all cases the installation proceeds >> for a few seconds and then hangs, with the last message on the console >> always being: >> >>  DEBUG: Generating /etc/fstab file. >> ... >> >> Is there something off about the sysinstall ftp dialog? I don't see a way to >> monitor what is happening. > > Your firewall may be interfering with the connection. You may want to > read the handbook section on FTP installs (the grey box at the bottom > of the page): > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-media.html > Well, our router has never interfered with ftp transfers done from the command line, but switching to the firewall-friendly mode in sysinstall does fix the problem. Thank you Daniel Feenberg NBER ---79550136-300895293-1307839849=:28136-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 02:38:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CA9106564A for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:38:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@3dresearch.com) Received: from smtp.3dresearch.com (dorabella.3dresearch.com [66.167.251.2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3CF8FC16 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (pool-72-95-203-91.pitbpa.east.verizon.net [72.95.203.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by vmail.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E784BADF; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fracasso.3dresearch.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fracasso.3dresearch.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 211E05C55; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:34:08 -0400 From: Janos Dohanics To: Michael Powell Message-Id: <20110611223408.0beeb002.web@3dresearch.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20110611110908.e4056da2.web@3dresearch.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.0 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.1) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: System stop X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:38:37 -0000 On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:25:53 -0400 Michael Powell wrote: > Janos Dohanics wrote: > > > Last night one of my systems stopped, it's FreeBSD 7.4-STABLE, i386. > > In /var/log/messages I found this: > > > > Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 acpi: resumed at 20110610 23:11:59 > > Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 postfix/postfix-script[50651]: stopping the > > Postfix mail system Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 postfix/master[92051]: > > terminating on signal 15 Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 ntpd[746]: ntpd > > exiting on signal 15 Jun 10 23:11:59 mail1 syslogd: exiting on > > signal 15 > > > > I guess the entry "acpi: resumed at 20110610 23:11:59" has to do > > something with the fact that the system had stopped - would some > > please comment on this? Does this entry indicate a hardware failure? > > > > Only a wild guess off the top of my head, but look at your BIOS and > disable any power management sleep and/or suspend modes. Laptops can > sleep, probably not a good idea for servers. Only a hasty guess, but > maybe somewhere to start. > > -Mike Mike, I thought about this, but this machine is a relay for a moderate amount of mail, and it's seldom idle for longer than a few minutes 24/7. Still, I'll check the BIOS - thank you for the reminder... -- Janos Dohanics From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 02:47:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFF8106566C for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52818FC0C for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 02:47:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 20981E806F3; Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:47:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 19:47:43 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110612024740.GA12214@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. 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After a week, plus more than a few hours today, things are back. . -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 11:32:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D77106566C for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.204]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F9328FC08 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.196] by nm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2011 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.164] by tm9.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2011 11:32:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1047.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2011 11:32:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 359144.30260.bm@omp1047.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 99753 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2011 11:32:46 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1307878366; bh=RQi4qbQBdMuY9w9+Tn5O8bj+WG01W0Zwkw7Nc1lJtCg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KihRuJhDVdZPuSJ1UroPW+TgZhm5fSiw2WSmUYzVzsjIlErViaooFJ51Pjx0bGLyutiaE7oxOXTxZkbfEpuy7hx1G0/0tnm/iLa7/pC748QXV9CfeiUE7mZsaqUOVsmuogPdxRY3kFAkRBYRNxAag7WXdgevJ6sFFG3Dj77P4wU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nIbTTPlQOsXcKJjgz+p0MUo7Pi885iC3Ds57HlN+tx26xykfrxsdfc8+R80F9xbiqxhcorNDAD6SdE0TxRNScFZO5YS+i3I9Ya17kP7R81wbModDwyYL6tT+j53GO8/0or9EVBhDbXVdZbkt7LD06rWX9u75DlBIYGAAg+XaN3o=; Message-ID: <864559.78569.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 01_Z7YUVM1kZZHZSWJWCu0FWNylk7dEmmwqm7vOdsU9.8D6 .Fz.1Nj9ZjbvsFaXelXTGZsxRWsdr8A2G1uUhkq.CWdGl3Y1.kwov51X5igR nYO3ywRAuStWQD.HZchOh2I9bJE_4oMOr7HJZ1UoEYc3oM0xEOSfyreHIUbw x2Mt3dtFir7a8fj1cenIvYbSoRtG5bDqCZI6VUl51leuT6w3DPrFk29vYpcD l8iFaLGVoGypS8XV0fVy_Sx0D_5GUtGfQfIZGEZ4h4swZ2HmFirC1skKd07X zevEO0kxIbg5wrI2xyh.PM_Z0A7O_knmiIZ7x13i6Lb62uOwsmAkCaSZVjKZ iqtiVSNAg8Aa8293wFf.TMHjfS5PZxnPLILwErPqwXlfCNU33D2eAylJQ Received: from [98.242.233.74] by web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 04:32:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 04:32:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: Daniel Feenberg , Robert Simmons In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ftp installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:32:48 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Daniel Feenberg =0ATo: Robert Simmons =0ACc: freebsd-q= uestions@freebsd.org=0ASent: Sat, June 11, 2011 8:50:48 PM=0ASubject: Re: f= tp installation=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Robert Simmons wrote:=0A=0A= > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Daniel Feenberg wrot= e:=0A>>=0A>> I have tried many of the ftp sites enumerated in sysinstall, w= ith both=0A>> 7.4-RELEASE and 8.2-RELEASE, and in all cases the installatio= n proceeds=0A>> for a few seconds and then hangs, with the last message on = the console=0A>> always being:=0A>>=0A>> =A0DEBUG: Generating /etc/fstab fi= le.=0A>>=0A...=0A>>=0A>> Is there something off about the sysinstall ftp di= alog? I don't see a way to=0A>> monitor what is happening.=0A>=0A> Your fir= ewall may be interfering with the connection.=A0 You may want to=0A> read t= he handbook section on FTP installs (the grey box at the bottom=0A> of the = page):=0A> http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/instal= l-media.html=0A>=0A=0AWell, our router has never interfered with ftp transf= ers done from the =0Acommand line, but switching to the firewall-friendly m= ode in sysinstall=0Adoes fix the problem.=0A=0AThank you=0ADaniel Feenberg= =0ANBER=0A=0A=0AIf I recall correctly I had to open up my firewall complete= ly to get the ftp =0Ainstallations to work. I use a FreeBSD diskless router= running IPFW+NATD and the =0Alog files are set to max out at 5 so I can't = see which port is trying to be used =0Awhich gets blocked. So just for the = 10 minutes or so to do an FTP install I just =0Aopen the firewall wide and = allow any to any. Once the install is complete I =0Aclose the firewall agai= n. 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I'm trying to follow the procedures in=0A> Sections 5.3 and = 5.4 of the Handbook and can't seem to get "startx" to=0A> fire up; I get a = black screen when I try. Here's what I've done so far:=0A=0A--As for the re= st, it is mine.=0A=0AWeird question: Have you installed xterm yet?=A0 Witho= ut a window manager =0Aconfigured, startx will try to open X with a single = xterm window.=A0 (At least, as =0Ainstalled from ports, I believe.)=A0 I'm = not sure what it would do if it couldn't =0Afind xterm, but a blank black s= creen sounds possible...=0A=0AIf I'm right, Xorg is _running,_ you just hav= en't started any programs in it.=A0 =0AWhich you might be able to see if yo= u ssh'd into the box.=A0 If so, you could kill =0AXorg and get your termina= l back on your standard terminal.=0A=0ADaniel T. Staal=0A=0A---------------= ------------------------------------------------=0AThis email copyright the= author.=A0 Unless otherwise noted, you=0Aare expressly allowed to retransm= it, quote, or otherwise use=0Athe contents for non-commercial purposes.=A0 = This copyright will=0Aexpire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 yea= rs,=0Awhichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of=0Alocal cop= yright law.=0A-------------------------------------------------------------= --=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd-questions@fr= eebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-= questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe= @freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0AI have installed and configured Xorg many times on se= veral different machines. =0AWhen it installs it comes with twm (Trivial Wi= ndow Manager) which is the =0Adefault, no frills window manager. It should = have installed with the Xorg port. =0AIf you installed via pkg_add I can't = say for sure that tvw installs by default, =0Abut using the ports it will. = Without a window manager, you will see nothing but =0Aa black graphics scre= en when you run "startx".=0A=0AThere are loads of other windows managers an= d choices for desktop. I am a big =0Abeliever in the KISS method and prefer= not to add in all the overhead that comes =0Awith KDE or GNOME and I just = use tvm. I can open any application and it looks =0Afine, I can open severa= l Xterm windows with it and spread them across my dual =0Amonitor setup. It= just works for me but I'm sure others will toot their horns =0Afor KDE and= GNOME, etc... 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Ian Davies Accredited vendor Alliot Groups PS Awaiting your legal names,address and telephone number From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 16:02:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B18A106566C for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:02:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Received: from sola.nimnet.asn.au (paqi.nimnet.asn.au [115.70.110.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71CFE8FC24 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:02:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sola.nimnet.asn.au (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5CFk8jE080707; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:46:09 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from smithi@nimnet.asn.au) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 01:46:08 +1000 (EST) From: Ian Smith To: perryh@pluto.rain.com In-Reply-To: <20110612120037.8D5AD1065696@hub.freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20110613001607.J34384@sola.nimnet.asn.au> References: <20110612120037.8D5AD1065696@hub.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Query about FreeBSD and primary partitions requirements X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:02:51 -0000 In freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 366, Issue 8, Message: 5 On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 14:23:48 -0700 perryh@pluto.rain.com wrote: > Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > On 11/06/2011 08:18, Bret Busby wrote: > > > the current FreeBSD Handbook ... states > > > "FreeBSD must be installed into a primary partition." > > > > > > However, in the last couple of days, I have been advised that > > > FreeBSD can be installed in, and, quite happily runs in, a > > > logical partition within an extended partition. > > > > > > Has anyone other than the person who advised me of that, tested > > > the installation and operation of FreeBSD, within a logical > > > patition of an extended partition ...? > > > > FreeBSD can mount and use filesystems created on partitions inside > > 'extended partition' type slices (cue standard exposition of the > > difference between partitions and slices in FreeBSD-speak.) True. > > > > However, I believe that you may well have difficulty *booting* > > FreeBSD unless the kernel (ie. /boot) can be read from a primary > > partition. > > I presume the purpose of boot0ext.S is to build a boot0 (FreeBSD MBR) > variant capable of booting from what MS call an "extended partition" > -- boot0.S being used when booting from a "primary partition" -- but > I've never tried to use it. I'm having enough "fun" trying to boot > from a _different_ "unusual" configuration. Diffing boot0.S and boot0ext.S shows the latter to be a two-sector (1KB) boot with more detailed strings about different partition types, some difference in SIO code, support for 'BIOS EDD extensions' and CHS vs LBA (ie, older stuff) but nothing I could spot towards decoding 'extended partitions'; it seems from CVS logs to have been kept as a nod to jhk's original 2-sector boot0 code, and hasn't been touched for 7 years. Having run OS/2 for several years before moving to FreeBSD in '98 I had to learn about mounting 'drives' within 'extended partitions' as adXs5, adXs6 etc, to recover about 7 OS/2 filesystems from 2 disks. Last I looked the HPFS code was still in the tree, only needing compiling; very similar to the (old) NTFS code by the same author, it worked fine R/O. Anyway, space allocation within the 'extended partition' is implemented as a linked list, so booting from one of these used to need something like OS/2's boot manager (itself consuming a small primary partition) or GRUB ono to chase down and load the desired boot partition, assuming you managed from the command line to newfs it as UFS in the first place (?) > > Also, I don't think sysinstall(8) groks extended partitions very > > well, > > if at all ... Not at all; sysinstall just sees it as a primary partition (ie FreeBSD slice) of type 0x05 (IIRC) ie as a non-bootable partition, completely ignored by boot0{,ext} or any 'normal' MBR code for that matter .. the FreeBSD convention of naming these as s5 etc is a convenient fiction. > > so you will probably have some fun doing the actual installation. > > Indeed. Best left as an exercise for the (morbidly curious) student :) cheers, Ian From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 18:25:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC862106566B for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:25:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout026.mac.com (asmtpout026.mac.com [17.148.16.101]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24498FC1A for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:25:39 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from [10.1.2.35] ([173.200.178.70]) by asmtp026.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMO00CC4WHQNA00@asmtp026.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:25:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-12_07:2011-06-10, 2011-06-12, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106120111 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <646739.74431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:25:02 -0700 Message-id: <0776F7B0-AB3B-4224-8B97-E5058756F581@mac.com> References: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> <6B25F4E32F59B195428730A7@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <646739.74431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> To: Bill Tillman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: John or Judy Hixson , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:25:40 -0000 On Jun 12, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: > I have installed and configured Xorg many times on several different machines. > When it installs it comes with twm (Trivial Window Manager) [ ... ] twm doesn't stand for "Trivial Window Manager"-- it stands for "Tom's Window Manager" because it was written by Tom LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 18:29:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0986E106564A for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:29:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEB978FC0C for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216CE3CC62; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:29:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5CITW8d002227; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:29:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:29:32 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chuck Swiger Message-Id: <20110612202932.bc8e2842.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <0776F7B0-AB3B-4224-8B97-E5058756F581@mac.com> References: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> <6B25F4E32F59B195428730A7@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <646739.74431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0776F7B0-AB3B-4224-8B97-E5058756F581@mac.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:29:35 -0000 On Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:25:02 -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 12, 2011, at 4:40 AM, Bill Tillman wrote: > > I have installed and configured Xorg many times on several different machines. > > When it installs it comes with twm (Trivial Window Manager) [ ... ] > > twm doesn't stand for "Trivial Window Manager"-- it stands > for "Tom's Window Manager" because it was written by Tom > LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. Without any further investigation and research, my brain seems to remember that is's (also?) called "Tab Window Manager". Is my brain wrong here? :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 18:39:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5181065679 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE108FC19 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywf7 with SMTP id 7so2476501ywf.13 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=u0/Z25Vizj9Xxj4+r1gX8XPEnItUTqXH6v5V+8DYPS4=; b=mE0oaqlBtjJu543BD+nqm0c8/CE673tt6qHbSefCeiYxBRdnM/8rQFmruDMGelK4OR K+5XD/UG3rJVoYjyyfl1pUMPvb0Nc2nqRuZnuZNe1ZxnuSZa6lfgtpDayQEnuDxDgkrZ fhbFXsyxFgLnfoX3U7SaX0E9XlsMejOD6VobI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=HPXhEUxqJCGAZyq3E2rkAIvvHfR19If/4M4OgFgknrazHVMXWdAmzssT9K/N5lu96l XvU0rm2rEz4GvBWlYJozVNaYFsga7qQAtu8jdFofhLswRYASo1PgfqaWvZ3xyL7GluRI j50PxNAMvBhamj4Qw4MvBtGxVrcLAB1OlAcKY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.205.36 with SMTP id h36mr4092313anq.74.1307903997105; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.11.20 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:39:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0776F7B0-AB3B-4224-8B97-E5058756F581@mac.com> References: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> <6B25F4E32F59B195428730A7@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <646739.74431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0776F7B0-AB3B-4224-8B97-E5058756F581@mac.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 14:39:57 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:39:58 -0000 On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > twm doesn't stand for "Trivial Window Manager"-- it stands for "Tom's Window Manager" because it was written by Tom LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. Stood for, you mean. It evolved to Tab Window Manager, and now it is Timeless Window Manager according to the source code: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/app/twm/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 18:43:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2125106564A for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:43:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7A8E8FC14 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:43:25 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from [10.1.2.35] ([173.200.187.194]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMO00G8IXC4J930@asmtp029.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:43:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-12_07:2011-06-10, 2011-06-12, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106120113 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110612202932.bc8e2842.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 11:43:16 -0700 Message-id: <9EA6D425-7C39-445A-9935-CEE9D71D7DFF@mac.com> References: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> <6B25F4E32F59B195428730A7@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <646739.74431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0776F7B0-AB3B-4224-8B97-E5058756F581@mac.com> <20110612202932.bc8e2842.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 18:43:25 -0000 On Jun 12, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Polytropon wrote: >> twm doesn't stand for "Trivial Window Manager"-- it stands >> for "Tom's Window Manager" because it was written by Tom >> LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 hardware back around X11R1. > > Without any further investigation and research, my > brain seems to remember that is's (also?) called > "Tab Window Manager". Is my brain wrong here? :-) I went by wikipedia to double-check. I'm right about the original name. At some point after twm was included in the X11 core distribution, later developers decided to rename it to "Tab Window Manager" because they'd changed so much code. (If they'd done it with Tom's OK, then I don't have any concern; if they'd just renamed it themselves without discussion with the original author, well, I'd find that a bit tacky.) I remember switching from uwm? to twm around 1990 and finding the later vastly more tolerable. But I also largely switched from X11 to Display Postscript on NEXTSTEP or Sun's OpenWin (X11+Motif+DPS extension, IIRC) around then. 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Belgium BE0859635972. abuse-en@netlog.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jun 12 23:53:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 211A31065676 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:53:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B53DA8FC1B for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:53:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.152] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2011 23:53:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.236] by tm9.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2011 23:53:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1045.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Jun 2011 23:53:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 71049.25331.bm@omp1045.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 53523 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jun 2011 23:53:41 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1307922821; bh=XhsbLsPGStgkF+U22/bAG7z4TDy3sN1FN39QVojOUdQ=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=H6yz/HFmlHIYIILtlCGDlKpAT5/v7esGa5Eo0Vg9Mhb0w0NuFqS9svYnx2OwoHeZm7ZhGibSbgiyGafUQQMr8zB1Qhn5l841eRgF8RKKgErSaEUqAO8uDNGMloj97T1J5kZXrqsvH2CS+TPOTALEOxooP6zC9ga5Wbkffl6BhZs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TIhFS4nhGmodvZ0g0Z26k/Hwf921V2O3gE+pBsdnkvrcOJE2iG3NtwxVVbWdq1kBK6hn4/1PGqlXqiTZQ0UGi4DRY25MrnhI873XlhOeR+Y6fWlVY2DZLJm7Bx/eGEmkwX9b6DNGjFpLwt8xag3LBd50jvVa4FPYc31OGjFWp7M=; Message-ID: <507809.47793.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: PaxC7CMVM1mGJpPsin.FM5x3ffp4migz50fbQG3Ik6DwfZ2 Hb9FJ1jsYVHK9EL6aUVouhPgKMBXxEpIYgLwTIj7M3m3lP42cvKVM30RvO3P sygr_x7et6afaZUWb6vlBFwOuKTRcjiyh5DtejUHjACFdBv0tlmGgh_FuEJQ eLLYh1U8oEAiBNAApZIWlGw5T2ZKRFGf14_j4k13LPW5xkI9PdTLWF3MMkP_ al3ZlgaWjMkPfiC3yslzU75IfarDKcsKyB7gltzdSoYitRv82hNGBT4jEzhv qD8sdUtH9XBuzWLTItckyJ9BfTyAnQRP.L8HBpES8zEqFWarPzro1EDsxWUq JPmLyePjCoUMFVoOqiTPH6JBpwskuFPR0WZtnsOQDbfhxORBHJFYWeOxQ Received: from [98.242.233.74] by web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:53:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> <6B25F4E32F59B195428730A7@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <646739.74431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0776F7B0-AB3B-4224-8B97-E5058756F581@mac.com> <20110612202932.bc8e2842.freebsd@edvax.de> <9EA6D425-7C39-445A-9935-CEE9D71D7DFF@mac.com> Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 16:53:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: Chuck Swiger , Polytropon In-Reply-To: <9EA6D425-7C39-445A-9935-CEE9D71D7DFF@mac.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:53:43 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom: Chuck Swiger =0ATo: Polytropon =0ACc: FreeBSD Questions =0ASent: Sun, June 12, 2011 2:43:16 PM=0ASubjec= t: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg=0A=0A=0A=0AI stand correct= ed. Tab Window Manager it is....either way, I use it because it's =0Ajust p= lain simple and I don't really need all the whistles and bells that come = =0Awith the other WM's. I'm still stuck with using Windows because all my b= usiness =0Ais conducted there and it's got all the bells and whistles one w= ould need.=0A=0AOn Jun 12, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Polytropon wrote:=0A>> twm do= esn't stand for "Trivial Window Manager"-- it stands=0A>> for "Tom's Window= Manager" because it was written by Tom=0A>> LaStrange on Sun-3_35 or 3_50 = hardware back around X11R1.=0A> =0A> Without any further investigation and = research, my=0A> brain seems to remember that is's (also?) called=0A> "Tab = Window Manager". Is my brain wrong here? :-)=0A=0AI went by wikipedia to do= uble-check.=0A=0AI'm right about the original name.=A0 At some point after = twm was included in the =0AX11 core distribution, later developers decided = to rename it to "Tab Window =0AManager" because they'd changed so much code= .=A0 (If they'd done it with Tom's OK, =0Athen I don't have any concern; if= they'd just renamed it themselves without =0Adiscussion with the original = author, well, I'd find that a bit tacky.)=0A=0AI remember switching from uw= m? to twm around 1990 and finding the later vastly =0Amore tolerable.=A0 Bu= t I also largely switched from X11 to Display Postscript on =0ANEXTSTEP or = Sun's OpenWin (X11+Motif+DPS extension, IIRC) around then.=0A=0ARegards,=0A= -- =0A-Chuck=0A=0A_______________________________________________=0Afreebsd= -questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/list= info/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-question= s-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 02:27:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56CF4106564A for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:27:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@snap.net.nz) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6DB8FC14 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:27:32 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgQHAA919U3KfG1Y/2dsb2JhbABRmBaON4lin0WeIYYkBJE0j3I X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,356,1304251200"; d="scan'208";a="56151039" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with ESMTP; 13 Jun 2011 14:27:31 +1200 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.88 Received: from akllappt.local (88.109.124.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.124.109.88]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8EC201BA for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:27:30 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <4DF57593.7040409@snap.net.nz> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:27:31 +1200 From: Peter Toth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110421 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FreeBSD on IBM 3630 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 02:27:33 -0000 Anyone is running IBM 3630 out there with FreeBSD? Cheers From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 04:22:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDAF3106566C for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 04:22:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carl@chave.us) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A8CB8FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 04:22:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yic13 with SMTP id 13so665132yic.13 for ; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 21:22:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.156.193 with SMTP id m41mr6295735yhk.322.1307937291824; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: carl@chave.us Received: by 10.147.39.1 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Jun 2011 20:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 23:54:51 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: q06lbehZ7kGSsyhPoWzpsFrVAOE Message-ID: From: Carl Chave To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Squeezebox Server 7.6 failed to load: YAML::Syck X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 04:22:53 -0000 I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-RC3 and use Squeezebox Server (v7.5.1, r30836, Tue Jun 1 07:00:00 MDT 2010). Squeezebox Server 7.6 has experimental native support for UPnP media renderers (of which I have many) and I wanted to try it out. I downloaded the latest tarball and when I run slimserver.pl I get the following error: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The following modules failed to load: YAML::Syck ******* NOTE: If you're running some unsupported Linux/Unix platform, please use the buildme.sh script located here: http://svn.slimdevices.com/repos/slim/7.6/trunk/vendor/CPAN/ If 7.6 is outdated by the time you read this, Replace "7.6" with the major version You should never need to do this if you're on Windows or Mac OSX. If the installers don't work for you, ask for help and/or report a bug. of Squeezebox Server you are running. ******* Exiting.. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- The version of Perl seems to be OK: sodserve# perl -v This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for amd64-freebsd When I install /usr/ports/textproc/p5-YAML-Syck it's supposedly already installed: ===> Installing for p5-YAML-Syck-1.17 ===> p5-YAML-Syck-1.17 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/perl5.10.1 - found ===> Generating temporary packing list ===> Checking if textproc/p5-YAML-Syck already installed ===> p5-YAML-Syck-1.17 is already installed cpan install gives me: YAML::Syck is up to date (1.17) I'm not really sure what else to check. Can someone point me in the right direction? Carl From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 07:11:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CCCB106566B for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:11:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69C948FC0C for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:11:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5D7AtGJ010095 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:10:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5D7AtTT010094; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA19787; Mon, 13 Jun 11 00:00:54 PDT Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 00:00:44 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: cswiger@mac.com Message-Id: <4df5b59c./RfPLjUONR9fN1lu%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: <01E3114E-02B1-44A2-A6B6-E0AE93A95E9A@earthlink.net> <6B25F4E32F59B195428730A7@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <646739.74431.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0776F7B0-AB3B-4224-8B97-E5058756F581@mac.com> <20110612202932.bc8e2842.freebsd@edvax.de> <9EA6D425-7C39-445A-9935-CEE9D71D7DFF@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <9EA6D425-7C39-445A-9935-CEE9D71D7DFF@mac.com> User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd@edvax.de, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 07:11:00 -0000 Chuck Swiger wrote: > Sun's OpenWin (X11+Motif+DPS extension, IIRC) ... I'm fairly sure OpenWin did not include Motif, at least initially (although it may have been added later -- my experience with OpenWin ended with SunOS 4). olwm had a look and feel all its own. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 11:37:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3FA106564A for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:37:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A171E8FC13 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dyn-62-56-116-117.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.116.117] helo=[192.168.42.12]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QW5SC-0007bb-Zp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:37:12 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:37:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DF5F65E.4944.2D034AE4@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <864559.78569.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: , , <864559.78569.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: ftp installation X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:37:13 -0000 On 12 Jun 2011 at 4:32, Bill Tillman wrote: > > ________________________________ > From: Daniel Feenberg > Subject: Re: ftp installation > > > On Sat, 11 Jun 2011, Robert Simmons wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Daniel Feenberg > > wrote: > >> > >> I have tried many of the ftp sites enumerated in sysinstall, with > >> both 7.4-RELEASE and 8.2-RELEASE, and in all cases the installation > >> proceeds for a few seconds and then hangs, with the last message on > >> the console always being: > >> > >> =A0DEBUG: Generating /etc/fstab file. > >> > ... > >> > >> Is there something off about the sysinstall ftp dialog? I don't see > >> a way to monitor what is happening. > > > > Your firewall may be interfering with the connection.=A0 You may want > > to read the handbook section on FTP installs (the grey box at the > > bottom of the page): > > http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/install-me > > dia.html > > > > Well, our router has never interfered with ftp transfers done from the > command line, but switching to the firewall-friendly mode in > sysinstall does fix the problem. > > Thank you > Daniel Feenberg > NBER > > > If I recall correctly I had to open up my firewall completely to get > the ftp installations to work. I use a FreeBSD diskless router running > IPFW+NATD and the log files are set to max out at 5 so I can't see > which port is trying to be used which gets blocked. So just for the 10 > minutes or so to do an FTP install I just open the firewall wide and > allow any to any. Once the install is complete I close the firewall > again. > > That's why "Passive" (or PASV) mode is included in FTP. It only ever makes outgoing connections from a client. 99.9% of all routers/firewalls will honour that mode with no probems, unless it's been specifically blocked by an admin type somewhere. In the F'BSD install/update settings/dialogs etc, always select the option to use FTP from behind a firewall or router, or "Firewall Friendly" mode. That will invoke Passive mode transfers. It's the one thing I can do reliably with FreeBSD, no need to mess with router/firewall permissions etc. That only needs doing if you want to run a server that is reachable from outside your LAN. That in turn, opens a whole oil drum load (i.e. a big can of worms!) of potential security issues.... Take care. DaveB PS: Worth looking at, for a good, if lenghty explanation. http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 12:43:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9471106566C for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from admin@cpcnw.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5798FC12 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:43:35 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkkHAD/+9U3Unw4R/2dsb2JhbABSiheNfIEljH53iGsHvzcOhhYElgOLDw Received: from outmx02.plus.net ([212.159.14.17]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 13 Jun 2011 13:14:17 +0100 Received: from [212.159.115.167] (helo=admin) by outmx02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1QW624-00029x-U0 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:14:17 +0100 Message-ID: <19948CCF4C874768B602B7EBDAC12676@admin> From: "Graham Bentley" To: References: <20110613120030.5E21810657F2@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:14:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Subject: Re: Need Help Installing and Configuring Xorg (Polytropon) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:43:35 -0000 > When it installs it comes with twm (Trivial Window Manager) Tom's Window Manager? A great little wm :) http://www.cpcnw.co.uk/twm/twmrc.htm From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 14:30:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241A4106566B for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:30:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89A78FC12 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor3.anonymizer.ccc.de [80.237.226.73]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 012055ABE for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:07:03 +0400 (MSD) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:30:05 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110613143004.GA5630@external.screwed.box> References: <20110612024740.GA12214@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110612024740.GA12214@thought.org> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: hmph, one lesson self-caught... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:30:54 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/11 19:47:43 -0700 Gary Kline => To FreeBSD Mailing List : GK> About a minute ago I learned that you cannot have a ### comment GK> _following_ the LoadModule lines in /usr/local/etc/apache22/httpd.conf in the upcoming release of www/p5-FCGI-Spawn I will have mod_perl simulation feature enabled by default... 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 16:22:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762BC106564A for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from howie@thingy.com) Received: from post1.inband.network-i.net (tobago.network-i.net [212.21.96.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E5DA68FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:22:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 41404 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2011 15:50:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.1.1.188?) (212.21.99.52) by post2.inband.network-i.net with SMTP; 13 Jun 2011 15:50:54 -0000 Message-ID: <4DF63314.3000807@thingy.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:56:04 +0100 From: Howard Jones User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ZFS on 8.1 - various problems after a disk failure. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:22:47 -0000 I have a FreeBSD 8.2 server at home with 4 2TB drives in it running ZFS with a raidz pool. Some time ago, I had a disk fail. Initially it wasn't totally obvious the disk had failed so I ran a 'zpool scrub' on the pool, which threw up a lot of errors, and also produced a lot of sense errors, making it obvious I had a dead disk. I replaced the disk, then ran "zpool replace zjumbo ad4 ad4" to replace the bad disk in-place, and start a resilver. Now I have a few problems: 1) The old ad4 is still listed, even after several scrub/resilvers. Shouldn't it go away? 2) Although I lost a whole directory with ~1TB of music, the space allocated to that directory is still around according df. 3) I have another bunch of files that appear in directory listings, but if I get "Illegal byte sequence" errors when trying to read them (with anything - du, file, wc). I have backups of most of the stuff on the pool (although it'd be nice to recover the more recent data), but how do I get out of this situation without nuking the site from orbit? (my current plan) Firstly, to get a reliable representation of what's actually on the filesystem, and for bonus points, getting back some of the data that should be intact (only one disk in the set was actually bad, right?). Here's my current zpool status. Thanks in advance for any pointers! Howie # zpool status pool: zjumbo state: DEGRADED status: One or more devices has experienced an error resulting in data corruption. Applications may be affected. action: Restore the file in question if possible. Otherwise restore the entire pool from backup. see: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-8A scrub: resilver completed after 10h57m with 15190 errors on Thu May 19 09:26:59 2011 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zjumbo DEGRADED 0 0 199K raidz1 DEGRADED 0 0 792K replacing DEGRADED 0 0 0 ad4/old UNAVAIL 0 16.1M 0 cannot open ad4 ONLINE 0 0 0 1.15T resilvered ad6 ONLINE 0 0 0 677M resilvered ad8 ONLINE 0 0 0 660M resilvered ad10 ONLINE 0 0 0 535M resilvered errors: 15190 data errors, use '-v' for a list From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 20:22:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3F7106566B for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:22:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1AE88FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so5113450wwc.31 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 13:22:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FM/C+F82gTKX1rMMqCOEpzx/BBvbCIabcf7vISnW8XU=; b=VUjqcywuhBM7ORsCw4zMo2f3pLd4zQpwfnIcX7F/n4Tr77gIkvDd9uIFR+K35hDh7S Ge5B6GXMooBqUaDupI+L96h7tpaccU/ePmtYZOkCJsWcNiLElQ3F76ZVmjH7ARXPkPET SwqD7QFAU+r/bWgXvigyb7kI8RHD+UAXB4n/A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=RWP0qPxUs7KlTE26wIx5UT8i49iFCK+W7k0bfZKEtNhxUHiKuYCbcLi0oKMUfetKA8 eimW1e6qYghu7jw1HpwySojApMbepTFZv8gIzZZli/TaB2wac4thIxTeL0xx8oRPpxVB R6MkHRrwf6//MxW8vvWE8RWz2C66NG0BoVYVI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.46.21 with SMTP id q21mr2953162web.113.1307994732020; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.7 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 12:52:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Subject: Probably working too hard for this cron question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:22:55 -0000 All, I've googled a bunch, read some freebsd.org docs, and just can't figure this out. I have a script that should read the current date into a variable, append the time/date stamp at the beginning of the file created with the date in the variable, do a bunch of cURL stuff, then append a time/date stamp at the end of the file. It works if I run it manually, but not from cron. Here are the batchfile and the cron entry: ----------begin script---------- dt=`/bin/date "+%Y-%m-%d"` /bin/date > /root/$dt-external1.txt /usr/local/bin/curl -K /root/urls.txt >> /root/$dt-external1.txt /bin/date >> /root/$dt-external1.txt ----------end script---------- ----------begin crontab---------- 15 12 * * * /root/do-curl.sh ----------end crontab---------- I'm doing all of this as root, as you can see. The job launches - I can see an entry for cURL in top - but no file in /root. I've tried several variations on the first line of the script, but I'm getting nowhere, though I'm sure it's something stupidly simple that I'm missing. What am I missing? Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 20:40:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29D21106564A for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:40:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd@todoo.biz) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA6FB8FC13 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:40:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BE278C2A for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:24:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new 2.6.4 (20090625) at rmm.fr Received: from newmail.rmm.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 7MzpsXqaF5bP for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:24:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from newmail.rmm.fr (newmail.rmm.fr [87.98.206.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: hidden) by newmail.rmm.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C7AF78C21 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:24:51 +0200 (CEST) From: bsd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:24:49 +0200 Message-Id: <75DB59F0-9EBC-40EE-9E55-638A1CD8F998@todoo.biz> To: Liste FreeBSD Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: ESS (extended service set) configuration for FBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 20:40:21 -0000 Hello,=20 I wanted to know what is the best way to build an ESS (extended service = set aka group of Access Points) using FreeBSD. 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#!/bin/sh ? -pete --=20 pete wright www.nycbug.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 21:15:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A931106564A for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B588FC14 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:14:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (emlpfilt2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76BEE50DB6; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 694C72F8003; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619EB2F8002; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:14:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.163]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:14:59 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: 'pete wright' , Kurt Buff Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 16:14:58 -0500 Thread-Topic: Probably working too hard for this cron question Thread-Index: AcwqDHKeijE64oiHThKG9oal7LamHQAAk26g Message-ID: <17591_1307999699_4DF67DD3_17591_66_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4E8@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: RE: Probably working too hard for this cron question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:15:00 -0000 Yeah Pete, kinda need that huh. Kurt, If that turns out to be the only iss= ue, don't feel bad - I've forgotten it myself several times! I'm sure many= others have as well! G -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of pete wright Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:25 PM To: Kurt Buff Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Probably working too hard for this cron question On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Kurt Buff wrote: > All, > > I've googled a bunch, read some freebsd.org docs, and just can't > figure this out. > > I have a script that should read the current date into a variable, > append the time/date stamp at the beginning of the file created with > the date in the variable, do a bunch of cURL stuff, then append a > time/date stamp at the end of the file. > > It works if I run it manually, but not from cron. > > Here are the batchfile and the cron entry: > > ----------begin script---------- > dt=3D`/bin/date "+%Y-%m-%d"` > /bin/date > /root/$dt-external1.txt > /usr/local/bin/curl -K /root/urls.txt >> /root/$dt-external1.txt > /bin/date >> /root/$dt-external1.txt > ----------end script---------- > > ----------begin crontab---------- > 15 12 * * * =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0/root/do-curl.sh > ----------end crontab---------- > > I'm doing all of this as root, as you can see. > > The job launches - I can see an entry for cURL in top - but no file in /r= oot. > > I've tried several variations on the first line of the script, but I'm > getting nowhere, though I'm sure it's something stupidly simple that > I'm missing. > > What am I missing? #!/bin/sh ? -pete --=20 pete wright www.nycbug.org _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 21:22:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9BD01065670 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:22:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 628018FC0A for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:22:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so248573yxl.13 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:22:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=j/J0WD6tZk044nTOsOI6WdFWEzWpwu/H9AWH74UARzc=; b=OKFKxw8cbPM7jrKdZgwbEqjM8nDu5whcaHViMV9ztpotlmOV3zGCYGEBMBnBgp2oxV QKMk8a2RWvlR0UTCyOPUrakOHLnDH/8FJ4vlFJCrR89OZ7AsRxPBTtx1H668iC7BDgdR YGuaqJtRzs4BvWL249QzKLGW5NMC9T8xz+YrM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=IaKC2v2VX3umIre4XqQX/g6os+RQ4xV+lDZq/WYCiklT4+TdWgEJhTm5orcuI2oQuz 2SmskfNrfb7O6XcQiWK1+m+8HYr2zY9EI8tFlDZqPEyQnutg8ZzHQ8BrGnM5P5+jqaiQ YXr6iuDX/HvSG4btlUR692EihzchxOFhK1RW8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.182.103 with SMTP id n67mr8275804yhm.26.1308000127498; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.103.232 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:22:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <17591_1307999699_4DF67DD3_17591_66_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4E8@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <17591_1307999699_4DF67DD3_17591_66_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4E8@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:22:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: pete wright To: Gary Gatten Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Kurt Buff , FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Probably working too hard for this cron question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:22:08 -0000 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Gary Gatten wrote: > Yeah Pete, kinda need that huh. =A0Kurt, If that turns out to be the only= issue, don't feel bad - I've forgotten it myself several times! =A0I'm sur= e many others have as well! > as someone who was fixing some brain dead cron entries he setup on friday this morning...i agree :^) -pete --=20 pete wright www.nycbug.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 21:44:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A63106566B for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:44:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23C58FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:44:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so5345960wyf.13 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+bXpjeqfuR/VhraMf00kR1POc9oWSGpAXYRleYwao4I=; b=o6Fc56udWV8O4Zw8Z9ja3uVrCn4Ktk09B08mvGpzbyJaemE77tTjW8q+kWPn3zy2xa z9yXs0IQzpUncsDc20+qdvoC+aiqXL3CwMXOn6XKcC1uI9OIHMXPhslBQNvgPgdWY2T4 E0ccD/4fqCzQW9Nl66psrOf1/E7iv6i8Vrtzw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lBD2PyYrPUNKzpA0Jxksva1g2XnEYfEYyawjfBin/KjeTldpiyfGMbB1hlFyQpkzz6 mA5xXadY1zt8vVcCihAfbxTQGbeAdtz/wLXEnv3tsBM/VqTBioYGM+ozLbO1aVdQMDaZ dJH25zUiEf3xn5L6KTA1b4LD0cITGGSWnhHqY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.231.89 with SMTP id k67mr5372606weq.113.1308001469509; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.7 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:44:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:44:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Probably working too hard for this cron question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:44:31 -0000 On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 13:25, pete wright wrote: > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Kurt Buff wrote: >> All, >> >> I've googled a bunch, read some freebsd.org docs, and just can't >> figure this out. >> >> I have a script that should read the current date into a variable, >> append the time/date stamp at the beginning of the file created with >> the date in the variable, do a bunch of cURL stuff, then append a >> time/date stamp at the end of the file. >> >> It works if I run it manually, but not from cron. >> >> Here are the batchfile and the cron entry: >> >> ----------begin script---------- >> dt=3D`/bin/date "+%Y-%m-%d"` >> /bin/date > /root/$dt-external1.txt >> /usr/local/bin/curl -K /root/urls.txt >> /root/$dt-external1.txt >> /bin/date >> /root/$dt-external1.txt >> ----------end script---------- >> >> ----------begin crontab---------- >> 15 12 * * * =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/root/do-curl.sh >> ----------end crontab---------- >> >> I'm doing all of this as root, as you can see. >> >> The job launches - I can see an entry for cURL in top - but no file in /= root. >> >> I've tried several variations on the first line of the script, but I'm >> getting nowhere, though I'm sure it's something stupidly simple that >> I'm missing. >> >> What am I missing? > > #!/bin/sh ? Definitely closer... Per the handbook, I added SHELL=3D/bin/sh to crontab, and I also added #!/bin/sh as the first line in the script But, while a file is being created, it's just /root/-external1.txt not /root/2011-06-13-external1.txt Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 21:46:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A8F106566B for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:46:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kurt.buff@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54BF68FC14 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:46:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so5177204wwc.31 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=R3r4sEcdKyzi6y6Pikm8aQqUeWFRInUjkVOh+r/tai4=; b=DU9zP9V7Xa7E30cYLzLDlxq1/pVBqIZt/0cjSGlxqfXLfEgRsMwQ/pW4oijawcXxc7 cwiYeyaHoFHObTxyynhFjE26A7QKzm2atrjrtwIYrq3Fntknh0/WfmdETppz8C770Dqg sNoj9RR5wne8Gbtp5KmUBekAu5b8i8Mq5xMOE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=D7JpGYp+mhUA1jvTu/RFJQ8VXh87eKzD912vJw+YwiBvkoKI/mu4ObUmjFI5wtbjOm d21Q2dRruaPIIfOAi3/d50iLLqPtRlaFoeigFPFGYqQQjPtrhR8OtOCf4lSZJPNCw5Il oT7RACv8fKa6qceXhAHottlYq60HM5jUmDrX0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.46.21 with SMTP id q21mr3040616web.113.1308001568042; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.46.7 with HTTP; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:46:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <17591_1307999699_4DF67DD3_17591_66_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4E8@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <17591_1307999699_4DF67DD3_17591_66_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4E8@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:46:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: Kurt Buff To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Subject: Re: Probably working too hard for this cron question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 21:46:10 -0000 Indeed. Brain fade comes with age - and long weekends with the 2 year old b= oy... Kurt On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 14:14, Gary Gatten wrote: > Yeah Pete, kinda need that huh. =C2=A0Kurt, If that turns out to be the o= nly issue, don't feel bad - I've forgotten it myself several times! =C2=A0I= 'm sure many others have as well! > > G > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions= @freebsd.org] On Behalf Of pete wright > Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:25 PM > To: Kurt Buff > Cc: FreeBSD Questions > Subject: Re: Probably working too hard for this cron question > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Kurt Buff wrote: >> All, >> >> I've googled a bunch, read some freebsd.org docs, and just can't >> figure this out. >> >> I have a script that should read the current date into a variable, >> append the time/date stamp at the beginning of the file created with >> the date in the variable, do a bunch of cURL stuff, then append a >> time/date stamp at the end of the file. >> >> It works if I run it manually, but not from cron. >> >> Here are the batchfile and the cron entry: >> >> ----------begin script---------- >> dt=3D`/bin/date "+%Y-%m-%d"` >> /bin/date > /root/$dt-external1.txt >> /usr/local/bin/curl -K /root/urls.txt >> /root/$dt-external1.txt >> /bin/date >> /root/$dt-external1.txt >> ----------end script---------- >> >> ----------begin crontab---------- >> 15 12 * * * =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/root/do-curl.sh >> ----------end crontab---------- >> >> I'm doing all of this as root, as you can see. >> >> The job launches - I can see an entry for cURL in top - but no file in /= root. >> >> I've tried several variations on the first line of the script, but I'm >> getting nowhere, though I'm sure it's something stupidly simple that >> I'm missing. >> >> What am I missing? > > #!/bin/sh ? > > -pete > > > > -- > pete wright > www.nycbug.org > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" > > > > > > >
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There are some restrictions in how far a character following the variable name will be treated as a "stop sign", e. g. variable x, literal y, and you have $xy which won't work, but $x_y may work, so you use ${x}y to make sure the name is properly scoped. Refering to your original script: #!/bin/sh dt=`/bin/date "+%Y-%m-%d"` /bin/date > /root/${dt}-external1.txt /usr/local/bin/curl -K /root/urls.txt >> /root/${dt}-external1.txt /bin/date >> /root/${dt}-external1.txt Could you try that? As you mentioned ${dt} would be empty upon cron execution, but not when run interactively, I would guess that the execution of a value assignment keeps its value just as long as it is within the same shell environment (unless you set an environmental variable via export command). If the script would be executed by cron with one shell call per line... but I think that it isn't done that way as it sounds too wrong... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 22:33:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35BB41065672 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:33:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C79A8FC12 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B01F28D; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:33:41 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Howard Jones , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <21B1659C1F68591DF0B608A0@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <4DF63314.3000807@thingy.com> References: <4DF63314.3000807@thingy.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS on 8.1 - various problems after a disk failure. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:33:44 -0000 --As of June 13, 2011 4:56:04 PM +0100, Howard Jones is alleged to have said: > Now I have a few problems: > 1) The old ad4 is still listed, even after several scrub/resilvers. > Shouldn't it go away? > 2) Although I lost a whole directory with ~1TB of music, the space > allocated to that directory is still around according df. > 3) I have another bunch of files that appear in directory listings, but > if I get "Illegal byte sequence" errors when trying to read them (with > anything - du, file, wc). > > I have backups of most of the stuff on the pool (although it'd be nice > to recover the more recent data), but how do I get out of this situation > without nuking the site from orbit? (my current plan) Firstly, to get a > reliable representation of what's actually on the filesystem, and for > bonus points, getting back some of the data that should be intact (only > one disk in the set was actually bad, right?). --As for the rest, it is mine. This page seems relevant: It looks like some damaged data made it through the normal ZFS integrity checks. There are some instructions on the link on how to identify the files/blocks in question. If it's just files, then it looks like you should be able to delete them, restore from backup, and go. (With the rest of your pool working just fine.) If it's data blocks, well, you probably wouldn't be in as good as state as you are. ;) That said, from the output you listed, there are probably 15,190 or so files with errors... Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jun 13 22:36:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCBE7106566B for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:36:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from mail2.nber.org (mail2.nber.org [66.251.72.79]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE858FC08 for ; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:36:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nber6.nber.org (nber6.nber.org [66.251.72.76]) by mail2.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5DM53U3050478; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:05:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from feenberg@nber.org) Received: from localhost (feenberg@localhost) by nber6.nber.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5DLw5jR020963; Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:58:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: nber6.nber.org: feenberg owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 17:58:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Feenberg X-X-Sender: feenberg@nber6 To: Kurt Buff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <17591_1307999699_4DF67DD3_17591_66_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C4E8@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-559023410-1804928587-1308002284=:15699" X-Anti-Virus: Kaspersky Anti-Virus for Linux Mail Server 5.6.39/RELEASE, bases: 20110613 #5503084, check: 20110613 clean Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Probably working too hard for this cron question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 22:36:55 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---559023410-1804928587-1308002284=:15699 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I forgot to send it. I just did. dan On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Kurt Buff wrote: > Indeed. Brain fade comes with age - and long weekends with the 2 year old= boy... > > Kurt > > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 14:14, Gary Gatten wrote: >> Yeah Pete, kinda need that huh. =C2=A0Kurt, If that turns out to be the = only issue, don't feel bad - I've forgotten it myself several times! =C2=A0= I'm sure many others have as well! >> >> G >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-question= s@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of pete wright >> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:25 PM >> To: Kurt Buff >> Cc: FreeBSD Questions >> Subject: Re: Probably working too hard for this cron question >> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Kurt Buff wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I've googled a bunch, read some freebsd.org docs, and just can't >>> figure this out. >>> >>> I have a script that should read the current date into a variable, >>> append the time/date stamp at the beginning of the file created with >>> the date in the variable, do a bunch of cURL stuff, then append a >>> time/date stamp at the end of the file. >>> >>> It works if I run it manually, but not from cron. >>> >>> Here are the batchfile and the cron entry: >>> >>> ----------begin script---------- >>> dt=3D`/bin/date "+%Y-%m-%d"` >>> /bin/date > /root/$dt-external1.txt >>> /usr/local/bin/curl -K /root/urls.txt >> /root/$dt-external1.txt >>> /bin/date >> /root/$dt-external1.txt >>> ----------end script---------- >>> >>> ----------begin crontab---------- >>> 15 12 * * * =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/root/do-curl.sh >>> ----------end crontab---------- >>> >>> I'm doing all of this as root, as you can see. >>> >>> The job launches - I can see an entry for cURL in top - but no file in = /root. >>> >>> I've tried several variations on the first line of the script, but I'm >>> getting nowhere, though I'm sure it's something stupidly simple that >>> I'm missing. >>> >>> What am I missing? >> >> #!/bin/sh ? >> >> -pete >> >> >> >> -- >> pete wright >> www.nycbug.org >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.= org" >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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There are some restrictions in how far a > character following the variable name will be treated > as a "stop sign", e. g. variable x, literal y, and you > have $xy which won't work, but $x_y may work, so you > use ${x}y to make sure the name is properly scoped. > > Refering to your original script: > > #!/bin/sh > dt=3D`/bin/date "+%Y-%m-%d"` > /bin/date > /root/${dt}-external1.txt > /usr/local/bin/curl -K /root/urls.txt >> /root/${dt}-external1.txt > /bin/date >> /root/${dt}-external1.txt > > Could you try that? Can, and did, and it works like a champ. That solves the last issue. My thank to you Polytropon, and to those who replied privately. Now all I have to do is pin down whether the name resolution slowness is in our firewall, or web filter, or external router, or perhaps something at the ISP. Kurt From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 00:40:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86DCF106564A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:40:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from smtpauth13.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth13.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 640AB8FC14 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9127 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2011 00:14:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.131.50.248) by smtpauth13.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.37) with ESMTP; 14 Jun 2011 00:14:06 -0000 Message-ID: <4DF6A7CD.70403@midsummerdream.org> Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:14:05 -0500 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DF0CF71.1090302@midsummerdream.org> <201106091855.31224.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <201106091855.31224.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 00:40:47 -0000 On 6/9/11 4:55 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > On Thursday 09 June 2011 10:49:37 Rob wrote: >> On 6/6/11 8:39 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: >>> On Monday 06 June 2011 17:56:53 Rob wrote: >>>> I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this >>>> weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version >>>> of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in >>>> ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I >>>> see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but >>>> packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. >>>> >>>> I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but I >>>> got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed in >>>> order to build virtualbox. >>>> >>>> So, my question is 2-fold: >>>> 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is >>>> still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing the >>>> packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? >>>> >>>> 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit >>>> libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail >>>> threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the >>>> 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what do >>>> I need to install? >>>> >>>> Rob >>> >>> You need to rebuild your kernel with >>> >>> >>> >>> options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries >>> >>> >>> >>> included. >>> >>> And as per the port's error message: >>> >>> cd /usr/src; make build32 install32; /etc/rc.d/ldconfig restart >> >> I noticed that when I tried to build the ports, but I don't have >> anything in /usr/src and no information was given as to what >> packages/src I needed to install. I'd like to avoid diverging from the >> stock release kernel for upgrade simplicity. What exactly does that do? >> Will it introduce upgrade complexity (ie will I have to upgrade these >> libs before I upgrade the kernel or some such)? >> >> Rob > > To remain with the same kernel you installed, you must install the source tree > from the same CD/DVD you used for installation. > > You will have to run sysinstal and go to > > Configure Do post-install configuration of FreeBSD > > then > > Distributions Install additional distribution sets > > then mark > > [ ] src Sources for everything > > Choose the CDROM as installation media. After that you'll have all the sources > on your HD and can proceed to the compilation of the 32 libs. > > If the sources are from the same CD you installed the system, they will be in > sync with your kernel. No upgrade issues. What is that command doing though? It's building what from src? What is the output of build32? I assume it's not a kernel. Also, do you know the difference between pre-built packages on the freebsd ftp server in packages-8.2-release vs packages-8-stable? Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 13:34:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE70C106564A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:34:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oxyd.oxyd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ew0-f54.google.com (mail-ew0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683BE8FC16 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2952685ewy.13 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:34:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=k9BEs2/xBMD5AAixp8UBrWVuepcdm6FjzGQzMXbliC0=; b=kkCu8dzW/WB570zcBKMS+nd70cwax2fKdlc0mlhfg9bLVrru+3vIejPlPA2o2zr8YQ PeM7an1350LVt8Ar7S7kJxWIqnZxgriD+yVan1zjs5969e/zAP0ivtCH8GeAvsw6icIf XLIXypL0qLUe5SmLF8FWls3eJKb2VxKiIMe5k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=M5MUge6RDXl7O+556EO+6qwc58z+d4W+mTTV6h5MRW69WRH3gu2D5kcPYHOAKTtk81 oC8Ct7HmRsrCwis6m7F4UcwAFGt+312qKLybU4aKorQRKpbffja58deMfx+X9Ck+EYCy pFt7pcDBVAWwW1vyHrXHwpVpiJuovKyHVPrUk= Received: by 10.213.103.194 with SMTP id l2mr3316632ebo.37.1308056797737; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:06:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from starlight.local (31.15.broadband11.iol.cz [90.178.15.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v76sm3063102eea.17.2011.06.14.06.06.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Jun 2011 06:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF75CDA.3090102@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:06:34 +0200 From: Ondrej Majerech User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110613 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DF0CF71.1090302@midsummerdream.org> In-Reply-To: <4DF0CF71.1090302@midsummerdream.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:34:32 -0000 On 06/09/2011 15:49, Rob wrote: > On 6/6/11 8:39 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: >> You need to rebuild your kernel with >> >> >> >> options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries >> >> >> >> included. > > I noticed that when I tried to build the ports, but I don't have > anything in /usr/src and no information was given as to what > packages/src I needed to install. I'd like to avoid diverging from the > stock release kernel for upgrade simplicity. What exactly does that do? > Will it introduce upgrade complexity (ie will I have to upgrade these > libs before I upgrade the kernel or some such)? Needless to say, that option seems to be enabled in GENERIC: [starlight] ~ > grep COMPAT_FREEBSD32 /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries Also I don't remember having to issue make build32 install32 or anything of that sort. You do need to have the FreeBSD source tree installed on your system, though. Did you try just fetching the source tree without building from it and then trying to build VirtualBox again? ~ Ondra From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 12:46:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C280D1065670 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:46:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glenn@bnetmd.net) Received: from out2a.electric.net (smtp-out-37.electric.net [72.35.23.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B2C8FC17 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:46:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 1QWT0h-0005bM-Uk by out2a.electric.net with emc1-ok (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QWT0h-0005bZ-VJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 05:46:23 -0700 Received: by emcmailer; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 05:46:23 -0700 Received: from [10.86.5.46] (helo=fuse246.electric.net) by out2a.electric.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QWT0h-0005bM-Uk for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 05:46:23 -0700 Received: from mailanyone.net by fuse246.electric.net with esmtpa (MailAnyone extSMTP glenn@bnetmd.net) id 1QWT0f-0005Es-9q for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 05:46:22 -0700 Message-ID: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> From: "Glenn McCalley" To: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:46:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Outbound-IP: 10.86.5.46 X-Env-From: glenn@bnetmd.net X-PolicySMART: 1273431 X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (c) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:40:02 +0000 Subject: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:46:23 -0000 Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to work for me. "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., etc." This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster program. phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function anywhere. phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the desire to look. Suggestions from lists/boards seem to all point to mysql.so not being in the php library, yet a "find" shows it is in there. pkg_info shows "php5-mysql-5.3.5 The mysql shared extension for php" extensions.ini shows "extension=mysql.so" Is there anywhere/anything else to look/do? Thanks! Glenn. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 14:35:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50D1106564A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 729758FC17 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so6152046wyf.13 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.205.69 with SMTP id fp5mr1842312wbb.97.1308062138216; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:35:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e1sm5081145wbh.56.2011.06.14.07.35.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:35:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF771B7.4090104@my.gd> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:35:35 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> In-Reply-To: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:35:42 -0000 On 6/14/11 2:46 PM, Glenn McCalley wrote: > Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to > work for me. > > "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., etc." > > This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster program. > phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function anywhere. > phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the desire to > look. > > Suggestions from lists/boards seem to all point to mysql.so not being in > the php library, yet a "find" shows it is in there. > > pkg_info shows "php5-mysql-5.3.5 The mysql shared extension for php" > > extensions.ini shows "extension=mysql.so" > > Is there anywhere/anything else to look/do? > > Thanks! > Glenn. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" If I were you, I would reinstall the php5 mysql extension like so: cd /usr/ports/lang/php5-extensions make config # make sure you tick the MYSQL option make clean make make deinstall && make reinstall Then, restart your web server or PHP FCGI process, as applicable. You should be cool. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 14:39:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0A17106566B for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:39:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar) Received: from oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy5-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.38.55]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 86E3B8FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:39:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 29630 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2011 14:12:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box511.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.111) by cpoproxy2.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2011 14:12:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=estrads.com.ar; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Identified-User; b=CqbDylYZb/rHgi4CWfz10wx4lu7zap46RMJbPLqbexdI73ODKg4Pwk3rsclN1q2/IYh8wz4e8umqgkZD76Rod+tP9A03G8IW9L84d6TwO1TG1uE02SyMkMR9D+BL8bep; Received: from 20-72-231-201.fibertel.com.ar ([201.231.72.20] helo=rjgonzale-laptop.localnet) by box511.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWUMI-0005yN-3M; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 08:12:47 -0600 From: Rodrigo Gonzalez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:12:42 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38.7-30.fc15.i686; KDE/4.6.3; i686; ; ) References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> In-Reply-To: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106141112.42324.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> X-Identified-User: {32647:box511.bluehost.com:gonosade:estrads.com.ar} {sentby:smtp auth 201.231.72.20 authed with rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar} Cc: Glenn McCalley Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:39:27 -0000 On Tuesday, June 14, 2011 09:46:17 AM Glenn McCalley wrote: > Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to > work for me. > > "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., etc." > > This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster program. > phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function anywhere. > phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the desire to > look. It looks good, where are you getting the error? in a web page or using cli? Rodrigo From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 14:49:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F5D106564A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:49:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glenn@bnetmd.net) Received: from cernan.electric.net (smtp-out-39.electric.net [72.35.23.39]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4848FC1A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 1QWUvh-0004a3-Ut by cernan.electric.net with emc1-ok (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QWUvh-0004au-VQ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:49:21 -0700 Received: by emcmailer; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:49:21 -0700 Received: from [10.86.5.46] (helo=fuse246.electric.net) by cernan.electric.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QWUvh-0004a3-Ut for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:49:21 -0700 Received: from mailanyone.net by fuse246.electric.net with esmtpa (MailAnyone extSMTP glenn@bnetmd.net) id 1QWUvg-0006kD-Dh for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:49:21 -0700 Message-ID: <2DA8538A0B6947089C33DB97CAF2E918@GLENN2> From: "Glenn McCalley" To: References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> <4DF771B7.4090104@my.gd> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:49:18 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Outbound-IP: 10.86.5.46 X-Env-From: glenn@bnetmd.net X-PolicySMART: 1273431 X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (c) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:56:09 +0000 Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:49:23 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Fleuriot" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:35 AM Subject: Re: mysql_connect error > On 6/14/11 2:46 PM, Glenn McCalley wrote: >> Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to >> work for me. >> >> "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., etc." >> >> This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster >> program. >> phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function anywhere. >> phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the desire to >> look. >> >> Suggestions from lists/boards seem to all point to mysql.so not being in >> the php library, yet a "find" shows it is in there. >> >> pkg_info shows "php5-mysql-5.3.5 The mysql shared extension for php" >> >> extensions.ini shows "extension=mysql.so" >> >> Is there anywhere/anything else to look/do? >> >> Thanks! >> Glenn. >> >> > > > If I were you, I would reinstall the php5 mysql extension like so: > > > cd /usr/ports/lang/php5-extensions > make config > # make sure you tick the MYSQL option > make clean > make > make deinstall && make reinstall > > > Then, restart your web server or PHP FCGI process, as applicable. > > You should be cool. > Thanks Damien, Did so, mysql definitely checked, no help. I did see that gd was not checked so checked that, did the make process and that cured another problem so I'd say the reinstall did in fact take. The error happens when being run from the command line. Does that make a difference? Glenn. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 15:26:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C762106566C for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:26:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (mail1.sourcehosting.net [74.205.51.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 127E48FC0C for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:26:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QWVQy-000LqG-Np; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:21:47 -0400 Received: from v104.entropy.prv (v104.entropy.prv [192.168.1.104]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532564F2E3A2; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4DF77D8C.9060802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:26:04 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn McCalley References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> <4DF771B7.4090104@my.gd> <2DA8538A0B6947089C33DB97CAF2E918@GLENN2> In-Reply-To: <2DA8538A0B6947089C33DB97CAF2E918@GLENN2> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:26:12 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 6/14/11 10:49 AM, Glenn McCalley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Fleuriot" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: mysql_connect error > > >> On 6/14/11 2:46 PM, Glenn McCalley wrote: >>> Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to >>> work for me. >>> >>> "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., etc." >>> >>> This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster >>> program. >>> phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function anywhere. >>> phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the desire to >>> look. >>> >>> Suggestions from lists/boards seem to all point to mysql.so not being in >>> the php library, yet a "find" shows it is in there. >>> >>> pkg_info shows "php5-mysql-5.3.5 The mysql shared extension for >>> php" >>> >>> extensions.ini shows "extension=mysql.so" >>> >>> Is there anywhere/anything else to look/do? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> Glenn. >>> >>> >> >> >> If I were you, I would reinstall the php5 mysql extension like so: >> >> >> cd /usr/ports/lang/php5-extensions >> make config >> # make sure you tick the MYSQL option >> make clean >> make >> make deinstall && make reinstall >> >> >> Then, restart your web server or PHP FCGI process, as applicable. >> >> You should be cool. >> > Thanks Damien, > > Did so, mysql definitely checked, no help. I did see that gd was not > checked so checked that, did the make process and that cured another > problem so I'd say the reinstall did in fact take. > > The error happens when being run from the command line. Does that make > a difference? > > Glenn. Hi Glenn, Try running this command in your shell: php -i | grep -i php.ini Does the reported path match the one reported by your phpinfo page (viewed in the web browser)? Also, is it possible you have multiple php executables installed? What is the output of the following commands? which php pkg_info -L php5-5\* Regards, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk33fYwACgkQ0sRouByUApBPBACfZLyTSRQfGuFR6kg9IYts2pmJ B7gAn3CieUC57U0rOfsvIo+ZddtCltaZ =1Zbg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 15:08:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5A6106566C for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from techlist@mail.bnetmd.net) Received: from mail.bnetmd.net (NS1.BNETMD.NET [66.159.80.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7457D8FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:08:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GLENN2 (c-68-33-226-75.hsd1.md.comcast.net [68.33.226.75]) by mail.bnetmd.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id p5EEV88F016618 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:31:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from techlist@mail.bnetmd.net) Message-ID: <4AA6AFD54C094099AFB2628F5EBC06CA@GLENN2> From: "Glenn McCalley" To: Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:31:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:37:27 +0000 Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn McCalley List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:08:56 -0000 >On Tuesday, June 14, 2011 09:46:17 AM Glenn McCalley wrote: >> Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to >> work for me. >> >> "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., etc." >> >> This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster >> program. >> phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function anywhere. >> phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the desire to >> look. >It looks good, where are you getting the error? in a web page or using cli? > >Rodrigo Ahh hadn't thought of that. It's cli. Does that have to be installed separately?Glenn. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 15:46:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82D81065678 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:46:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7CE958FC17 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25014 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2011 15:46:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box511.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.111) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2011 15:46:11 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=estrads.com.ar; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Identified-User; b=dzHM6Nbjgg4VFtiXTUeA0L/0AqxGRvjDb+D2xayxrxdJzHo63/fkRya/i9ZOXgnvQUx/EiaTeXHi5oTEWNHORRSH2TcBHO/Il3NtG85mO9SleyoMEChVXX+LqNyutmOS; Received: from 20-72-231-201.fibertel.com.ar ([201.231.72.20] helo=rjgonzale-laptop.localnet) by box511.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWVog-00057Y-VU; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:46:11 -0600 From: Rodrigo Gonzalez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, glarkin@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:46:06 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38.7-30.fc15.i686; KDE/4.6.3; i686; ; ) References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> <2DA8538A0B6947089C33DB97CAF2E918@GLENN2> <4DF77D8C.9060802@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <4DF77D8C.9060802@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106141246.06598.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> X-Identified-User: {32647:box511.bluehost.com:gonosade:estrads.com.ar} {sentby:smtp auth 201.231.72.20 authed with rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar} Cc: Glenn McCalley Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:46:12 -0000 > > Hi Glenn, > > Try running this command in your shell: > > php -i | grep -i php.ini > > Does the reported path match the one reported by your phpinfo page > (viewed in the web browser)? Also, is it possible you have multiple php > executables installed? What is the output of the following commands? > Also run php -m and see that mysql is in list You should check that it is using the same php.ini as Greg said, and if required symlink the files or add extension=mysql.so to the php.ini used by cli From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 15:46:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678391065675 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:46:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from techlist@mail.bnetmd.net) Received: from mail.bnetmd.net (NS1.BNETMD.NET [66.159.80.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5B48FC19 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:46:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GLENN2 (c-68-33-226-75.hsd1.md.comcast.net [68.33.226.75]) by mail.bnetmd.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id p5EFjfNV020280; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:45:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from techlist@mail.bnetmd.net) Message-ID: From: "Glenn McCalley" To: References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> <4DF771B7.4090104@my.gd><2DA8538A0B6947089C33DB97CAF2E918@GLENN2> <4DF77D8C.9060802@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:45:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:03:33 +0000 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn McCalley List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:46:01 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Larkin" To: "Glenn McCalley" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: mysql_connect error > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 6/14/11 10:49 AM, Glenn McCalley wrote: >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damien Fleuriot" >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:35 AM >> Subject: Re: mysql_connect error >> >> >>> On 6/14/11 2:46 PM, Glenn McCalley wrote: >>>> Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to >>>> work for me. >>>> >>>> "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., >>>> etc." >>>> >>>> This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster >>>> program. >>>> phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function anywhere. >>>> phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the desire to >>>> look. >>>> >>>> Suggestions from lists/boards seem to all point to mysql.so not being >>>> in >>>> the php library, yet a "find" shows it is in there. >>>> >>>> pkg_info shows "php5-mysql-5.3.5 The mysql shared extension for >>>> php" >>>> >>>> extensions.ini shows "extension=mysql.so" >>>> >>>> Is there anywhere/anything else to look/do? >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> Glenn. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> If I were you, I would reinstall the php5 mysql extension like so: >>> >>> >>> cd /usr/ports/lang/php5-extensions >>> make config >>> # make sure you tick the MYSQL option >>> make clean >>> make >>> make deinstall && make reinstall >>> >>> >>> Then, restart your web server or PHP FCGI process, as applicable. >>> >>> You should be cool. >>> >> Thanks Damien, >> >> Did so, mysql definitely checked, no help. I did see that gd was not >> checked so checked that, did the make process and that cured another >> problem so I'd say the reinstall did in fact take. >> >> The error happens when being run from the command line. Does that make >> a difference? >> >> Glenn. > > Hi Glenn, > > Try running this command in your shell: > > php -i | grep -i php.ini > > Does the reported path match the one reported by your phpinfo page > (viewed in the web browser)? Also, is it possible you have multiple php > executables installed? What is the output of the following commands? > > which php > pkg_info -L php5-5\* > > Regards, > Greg > - -- > Greg Larkin > > http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve > http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. > http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk33fYwACgkQ0sRouByUApBPBACfZLyTSRQfGuFR6kg9IYts2pmJ > B7gAn3CieUC57U0rOfsvIo+ZddtCltaZ > =1Zbg > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Greg, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- www9# which php /usr/local/bin/php ---------------------------------------------------------------------- www9# php -i | grep -i php.ini Configuration File (php.ini) Path => /usr/local/etc <-- matches phpinfo page Loaded Configuration File => /usr/local/etc/php.ini <-- matches phpinfo page /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.16: Undefined symbol "pthread_cond_timedwait" <-- interesting, don't know if significant ---------------------------------------------------------------------- www9# pkg_info -L php5-5\* (Voluminous output, but here it is.) Information for php5-5.3.5: Files: /usr/local/man/man1/php-config.1.gz /usr/local/man/man1/phpize.1.gz /usr/local/bin/php-config /usr/local/bin/phpize /usr/local/etc/php.conf /usr/local/etc/php.ini-development /usr/local/etc/php.ini-production /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/TSRM.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/acconfig.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/readdir.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/tsrm_config.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/tsrm_config.w32.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/tsrm_config_common.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/tsrm_nw.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/tsrm_strtok_r.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/tsrm_virtual_cwd.h /usr/local/include/php/TSRM/tsrm_win32.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/acconfig.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_API.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_alloc.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_build.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_builtin_functions.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_closures.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_compile.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_config.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_config.nw.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_config.w32.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_constants.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_dynamic_array.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_errors.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_exceptions.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_execute.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_extensions.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_fast_cache.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_float.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_gc.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_globals.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_globals_macros.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_hash.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_highlight.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_indent.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_ini.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_ini_parser.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_ini_scanner.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_ini_scanner_defs.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_interfaces.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_istdiostream.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_iterators.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_language_parser.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_language_scanner.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_language_scanner_defs.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_list.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_llist.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_modules.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_multibyte.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_multiply.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_object_handlers.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_objects.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_objects_API.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_operators.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_ptr_stack.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_qsort.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_stack.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_static_allocator.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_stream.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_strtod.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_ts_hash.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_types.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_variables.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_vm.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_vm_def.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_vm_execute.h /usr/local/include/php/Zend/zend_vm_opcodes.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/date/lib/timelib.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/date/lib/timelib_config.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/date/lib/timelib_structs.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/date/php_date.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/ereg/php_ereg.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/ereg/php_regex.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/ereg/regex/cclass.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/ereg/regex/cname.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/ereg/regex/regex.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/ereg/regex/regex2.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/ereg/regex/utils.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/libxml/php_libxml.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/config-win.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_block_alloc.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_charset.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_debug.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_enum_n_def.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_libmysql_compat.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_net.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_portability.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_priv.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_result.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_result_meta.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_statistics.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_structs.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/mysqlnd_wireprotocol.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/php_mysqlnd.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/mysqlnd/php_mysqlnd_config.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/pcre/php_pcre.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/php_spl.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_array.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_directory.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_dllist.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_engine.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_exceptions.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_fixedarray.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_functions.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_heap.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_iterators.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/spl/spl_observer.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/base64.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/basic_functions.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/crc32.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/credits.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/credits_ext.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/credits_sapi.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/crypt_freesec.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/css.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/cyr_convert.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/datetime.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/dl.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/exec.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/file.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/flock_compat.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/fsock.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/head.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/html.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/info.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/md5.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/microtime.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/pack.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/pageinfo.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_array.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_assert.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_browscap.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_crypt.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_crypt_r.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_dir.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_dns.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_ext_syslog.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_filestat.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_fopen_wrappers.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_ftok.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_http.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/php_image.h 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/usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/streamsfuncs.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/uniqid.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/url.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/url_scanner_ex.h /usr/local/include/php/ext/standard/winver.h /usr/local/include/php/main/SAPI.h /usr/local/include/php/main/build-defs.h /usr/local/include/php/main/fopen_wrappers.h /usr/local/include/php/main/logos.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php3_compat.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_compat.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_config.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_content_types.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_getopt.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_globals.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_ini.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_logos.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_main.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_memory_streams.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_network.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_open_temporary_file.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_output.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_reentrancy.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_scandir.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_streams.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_syslog.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_ticks.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_variables.h /usr/local/include/php/main/php_version.h /usr/local/include/php/main/rfc1867.h /usr/local/include/php/main/safe_mode.h /usr/local/include/php/main/snprintf.h /usr/local/include/php/main/spprintf.h /usr/local/include/php/main/streams/php_stream_context.h /usr/local/include/php/main/streams/php_stream_filter_api.h /usr/local/include/php/main/streams/php_stream_glob_wrapper.h /usr/local/include/php/main/streams/php_stream_mmap.h /usr/local/include/php/main/streams/php_streams_int.h /usr/local/include/php/main/streams/php_stream_transport.h /usr/local/include/php/main/streams/php_stream_userspace.h /usr/local/include/php/main/streams/php_stream_plain_wrapper.h /usr/local/include/php/main/suhosin_globals.h /usr/local/include/php/main/suhosin_logo.h /usr/local/include/php/main/suhosin_patch.h /usr/local/include/php/main/win32_internal_function_disabled.h /usr/local/include/php/main/win95nt.h /usr/local/lib/php/build/Makefile.global /usr/local/lib/php/build/acinclude.m4 /usr/local/lib/php/build/config.guess /usr/local/lib/php/build/config.sub /usr/local/lib/php/build/libtool.m4 /usr/local/lib/php/build/ltmain.sh /usr/local/lib/php/build/mkdep.awk /usr/local/lib/php/build/phpize.m4 /usr/local/lib/php/build/run-tests.php /usr/local/lib/php/build/scan_makefile_in.awk /usr/local/lib/php/build/shtool /usr/local/libexec/apache22/libphp5.so From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 16:17:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F19106564A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:17:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308928FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:17:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so6270288wyf.13 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.145.206 with SMTP id p56mr966655wej.80.1308068221014; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:17:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id en1sm5150271wbb.18.2011.06.14.09.16.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Jun 2011 09:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF7897A.3010306@my.gd> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:16:58 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> <4DF771B7.4090104@my.gd><2DA8538A0B6947089C33DB97CAF2E918@GLENN2> <4DF77D8C.9060802@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:17:02 -0000 On 6/14/11 5:45 PM, Glenn McCalley wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Greg Larkin" > To: "Glenn McCalley" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: mysql_connect error > > > On 6/14/11 10:49 AM, Glenn McCalley wrote: > > Greg, > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > www9# which php > /usr/local/bin/php > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > www9# php -i | grep -i php.ini > Configuration File (php.ini) Path => /usr/local/etc <-- > matches phpinfo page > Loaded Configuration File => /usr/local/etc/php.ini <-- > matches phpinfo page > /libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/mysql/libmysqlclient.so.16: > Undefined symbol "pthread_cond_timedwait" > <-- interesting, don't know if significant > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > www9# pkg_info -L php5-5\* (Voluminous output, but here it is.) > Information for php5-5.3.5: > Files: > /usr/local/man/man1/php-config.1.gz > /usr/local/man/man1/phpize.1.gz [snip] > /usr/local/lib/php/build/scan_makefile_in.awk > /usr/local/lib/php/build/shtool > /usr/local/libexec/apache22/libphp5.so > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" # pkg_info -r php5-mysql-5.3.6 Information for php5-mysql-5.3.6: Depends on: Dependency: expat-2.0.1_1 Dependency: openssl-1.0.0_5 Dependency: perl-threaded-5.10.1_3 Dependency: pkg-config-0.25_1 Dependency: libxml2-2.7.8_1 Dependency: pcre-8.12 Dependency: libiconv-1.13.1_1 Dependency: apr-devrandom-1.4.2.1.3.10 Dependency: apache-2.2.17_2 Dependency: php5-5.3.6 You will likely want to rebuild your perl port. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 15:56:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F50E1065673; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:56:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from techlist@mail.bnetmd.net) Received: from mail.bnetmd.net (NS1.BNETMD.NET [66.159.80.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D975E8FC15; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:56:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GLENN2 (c-68-33-226-75.hsd1.md.comcast.net [68.33.226.75]) by mail.bnetmd.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id p5EFu0Yi020810; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:56:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from techlist@mail.bnetmd.net) Message-ID: <406F55CAA3BC4849A8D840BE1E79D3CD@GLENN2> From: "Glenn McCalley" To: "Rodrigo Gonzalez" , , References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2><2DA8538A0B6947089C33DB97CAF2E918@GLENN2><4DF77D8C.9060802@FreeBSD.org> <201106141246.06598.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:56:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:34:38 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn McCalley List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:56:25 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Gonzalez" To: ; Cc: "Glenn McCalley" Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:46 AM Subject: Re: mysql_connect error >> >> Hi Glenn, >> >> Try running this command in your shell: >> >> php -i | grep -i php.ini >> >> Does the reported path match the one reported by your phpinfo page >> (viewed in the web browser)? Also, is it possible you have multiple php >> executables installed? What is the output of the following commands? >> > > Also run > php -m > > and see that mysql is in list > > You should check that it is using the same php.ini as Greg said, and if > required symlink the files or add extension=mysql.so to the php.ini used > by cli > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Rodrigo, The php.ini path and file match the phpinfo page. However, php -m does NOT report a mysql module, and I get the same Undefined symbol error our of lubmysqlclient.so.16 that I mentioned in my answer to Greg's post. The line "extension=mysql.so" IS is the extensions.ini file. Thanks, Glenn. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 16:44:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBF0106566B for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:44:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAB28FC1C for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5EGiKYi012331; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:44:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5EGiKHI012328; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:44:20 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:44:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Kurt Buff In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:44:20 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Probably working too hard for this cron question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:44:21 -0000 On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Kurt Buff wrote: > Per the handbook, I added > > SHELL=/bin/sh > > to crontab, and I also added > > #!/bin/sh > > as the first line in the script Should not need both. The first changes a default, which is bad when you switch to another system where that hasn't been changed. The second, putting #!/bin/sh in the script, should be enough. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 16:45:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A844C1065672 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:45:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5CEA38FC1A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:45:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9684 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jun 2011 16:45:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box511.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.111) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 14 Jun 2011 16:45:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=estrads.com.ar; h=Received:From:To:Subject:Date:User-Agent:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-Id:X-Identified-User; b=Z7VGdNBjhs7JeRUkQjmTp8tuVJHGeU0Px7dV86tVpEYN2LntiGqOa/2O8tc4EPpkG16qkkMZhpzIlz3h8SRKuM3dE7iyhq9hUiQFfI+40nHtdfR+aqciNpR/BhyDIt10; Received: from 20-72-231-201.fibertel.com.ar ([201.231.72.20] helo=rjgonzale-laptop.localnet) by box511.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWWjy-0006Iu-8A; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 10:45:22 -0600 From: Rodrigo Gonzalez To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Glenn McCalley Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:45:18 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38.7-30.fc15.i686; KDE/4.6.3; i686; ; ) References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> <201106141246.06598.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> <406F55CAA3BC4849A8D840BE1E79D3CD@GLENN2> In-Reply-To: <406F55CAA3BC4849A8D840BE1E79D3CD@GLENN2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106141345.18503.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> X-Identified-User: {32647:box511.bluehost.com:gonosade:estrads.com.ar} {sentby:smtp auth 201.231.72.20 authed with rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar} Cc: glarkin@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:45:23 -0000 On Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:56:11 PM Glenn McCalley wrote: > Rodrigo, > The php.ini path and file match the phpinfo page. > > However, php -m does NOT report a mysql module, and I get the same > Undefined symbol error our of lubmysqlclient.so.16 that I mentioned in my > answer to Greg's post. > > The line "extension=mysql.so" IS is the extensions.ini file. > > Thanks, > Glenn. > I would start reompiling mysql client libraries and then php-mysql extension again From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 18:19:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2502A1065676 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:19:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D198FC17 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [216.106.88.17]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E7A084591A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:19:00 -0500 (CDT) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: jhall@socket.net X-Apparently-from: jhall@mail.socket.net X-Remote-Host: 216.106.31.249 User-Agent: Socket WebMail Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:19:00 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110614181902.2502A1065676@hub.freebsd.org> Subject: DHCP Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhall@socket.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:19:02 -0000 I am working with a vendor and they are wanting me to send them ip addresses via option 74 in DHCP (irc-server). After I defined this in my dhcpd.conf file, the option is still not being sent. However, I am not receiving a request for this option. I have done a bunch of Googling this morning/afternoon, and have not been able to find a way to send the option whether it is requested or not. Is it possible to do this? Thanks, Jay From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 18:28:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72EFE106564A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com (asmtpout019.mac.com [17.148.16.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF408FC14 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:28:28 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMS00B0ZLYOL890@asmtp019.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:28:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-14_08:2011-06-14, 2011-06-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106140138 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110614181902.2502A1065676@hub.freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:28:00 -0700 Message-id: <48D68EC6-DD36-46BD-9E71-B94DE7A1ACF1@mac.com> References: <20110614181902.2502A1065676@hub.freebsd.org> To: jhall@socket.net X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DHCP Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:28:28 -0000 On Jun 14, 2011, at 11:19 AM, jhall@socket.net wrote: > I am working with a vendor and they are wanting me to send them ip > addresses via option 74 in DHCP (irc-server). After I defined this in my > dhcpd.conf file, the option is still not being sent. However, I am not > receiving a request for this option. I'm not sure why someone would care about setting an IRC server via DHCPd, but I won't second-guess the requirement. > I have done a bunch of Googling this morning/afternoon, and have not been > able to find a way to send the option whether it is requested or not. You want: option dhcp-parameter-request-list uint16; This option, when sent by the client, specifies which options the client wishes the server to return. Normally, in the ISC DHCP client, this is done using the request statement. If this option is not specified by the client, the DHCP server will normally return every option that is valid in scope and that fits into the reply. When this option is specified on the server, the server returns the specified options. This can be used to force a client to take options that it hasn't requested, and it can also be used to tailor the response of the DHCP server for clients that may need a more lim- ited set of options than those the server would normally return. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 18:42:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21F89106566B for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:42:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhall@socket.net) Received: from mf1.socket.net (mf1.socket.net [216.106.88.38]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 061B08FC0C for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:42:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [216.106.88.17]) by mf1.socket.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7285145931; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:42:31 -0500 (CDT) To: cswiger@mac.com From: jhall@socket.net X-Apparently-from: jhall@mail.socket.net X-Remote-Host: 216.106.31.249 User-Agent: Socket WebMail References: <20110614181902.2502A1065676@hub.freebsd.org> <48D68EC6-DD36-46BD-9E71-B94DE7A1ACF1@mac.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 13:42:31 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20110614184232.21F89106566B@hub.freebsd.org> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: DHCP Question X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: jhall@socket.net List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:42:32 -0000 ---------------------------------------------------- >From : Chuck Swiger To : jhall@socket.net Subject : Re: DHCP Question Date : Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:28:00 -0700 > You want: > > option dhcp-parameter-request-list uint16; > > This option, when sent by the client, specifies which options the > client wishes the server to return. Normally, in the ISC DHCP > client, this is done using the request statement. If this option is > not specified by the client, the DHCP server will normally return > every option that is valid in scope and that fits into the reply. > When this option is specified on the server, the server returns the > specified options. This can be used to force a client to take > options that it hasn't requested, and it can also be used to tailor > the response of the DHCP server for clients that may need a more lim- > ited set of options than those the server would normally return. > > Regards, > -- > -Chuck They are not using the option for the IRC Server, but to point to the nodes where the Virutal Desktops are. Thank you for all your help. That did the trick! Jay Thank you! That did the trick. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 18:22:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48435106567F for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:22:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from techlist@mail.bnetmd.net) Received: from mail.bnetmd.net (NS1.BNETMD.NET [66.159.80.125]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE4B8FC22 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:22:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from GLENN2 (c-68-33-226-75.hsd1.md.comcast.net [68.33.226.75]) by mail.bnetmd.net (8.13.6/8.13.6) with SMTP id p5EIMMp9026822 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:22:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from techlist@mail.bnetmd.net) Message-ID: <6EA7BB70AAF642C8B44B4966E7D678EE@GLENN2> From: "Glenn McCalley" To: References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2><201106141246.06598.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar><406F55CAA3BC4849A8D840BE1E79D3CD@GLENN2> <201106141345.18503.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:22:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:58:49 +0000 Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn McCalley List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:22:42 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rodrigo Gonzalez" To: ; "Glenn McCalley" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:45 PM Subject: Re: mysql_connect error > On Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:56:11 PM Glenn McCalley wrote: >> Rodrigo, >> The php.ini path and file match the phpinfo page. >> >> However, php -m does NOT report a mysql module, and I get the same >> Undefined symbol error our of lubmysqlclient.so.16 that I mentioned in my >> answer to Greg's post. >> >> The line "extension=mysql.so" IS is the extensions.ini file. >> >> Thanks, >> Glenn. >> > > I would start reompiling mysql client libraries and then php-mysql > extension > again > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > OK! Something new! Rebuilt everything I could think of and no joy. The genesis of this thing is a php "page" that is executed out of cron as a command. It worked great until mysql 5.5 installed. I've been testing from the command line. Then had a brainstorm, and ran the php "page" from the address line of a browser instead of the command line and it works. Should of thought of that test before. So why is it OK thru a browser but not as a command? That leads me to believe it's not mysql_connect's problem at all but the php cli isn't working properly. Thoughts? ...and thanks folks for all your help. Glenn. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 18:41:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D46AE106564A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:41:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm14-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82A558FC15 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:41:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm14.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2011 18:28:58 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.219] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2011 18:28:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Jun 2011 18:28:58 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 584977.45970.bm@omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 91120 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2011 18:28:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1308076138; bh=zFtuH2EhNin3Xglx1aGPrU06C7KUAv0dLtp1wqH7WL4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=JzIroPdOlF+Qe6k4sqZUrIgsfnt5SIK+/dwrmQdWlJSfcPKyLyeEnS1mC5JvQ3MTeLir345RoJW4zKObi/+LF81BFxHRjRa07fnJ0Njj+otDsjh3FPvBjeiCDl59nSW+AUlqOW4N2BEoEuW/FTLOUTUQZj0znnEtSbmg8og1Cqw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ZEDy4b0ku5UE/TD+3etkmpOBVaHObS+zvavuqdo2pTa4vUYGr6BxA1qdZxCJlsmkgnhJEFksZqe0RVKycXLie78WKfFyNty9jT5iphfMiWacOuVv1NUR7kqggQn88WR4jAZ93PbKgfkQRt4mv/nhyEFOU0Hn7KrfhiEjS09GygE=; Message-ID: <395256.88650.qm@web160107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: g14FrRwVM1lAMGUvZYhpTKxZb8r3popvK.vsRPJsUzj.FNy cWwUW_4REZKT3A4hDk6ncTUAeE.wSkL5MmZFgpaeGijmy1_XoebzPHRPMDs_ XRZkSwNVILxO7.bZtYOjvEUXPxEQTuLBTzgDuZ_x3GGra8fc2v8DWmFIrk3T hLoziwbT_kO47pP2IdGI64pkXM9GYuhEcF28lGJraISsbFOJ0Jzg0qpq2mId T0rf1AyToSGwf428ca5OeWRMUqWf4IY4x4Go6FFX7tqZtseROxcanSchb9H4 KfnUJjgm5T1JG4RGGBNeY1M8ROs.3bxTjCjBm9wA4Am.k6YorHL7RK0UyBKq fTwP.cMgCclCLOjU11h.vLtb19ErK_eNvvkszLaoZo8CcI9T65lgpDlAw2ea DtWWmrKKfIAl535O40PxIJQOYyF9tnilthhTj1cxhvFj2ZXqNpQOIbQ-- Received: from [112.134.98.150] by web160107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:28:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.1 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:28:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:32:54 +0000 Subject: Thunderbird 3.1.10 Connection Refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:41:22 -0000 Hi all I need to access an IMAP server at mail.server.com:45000. And the server uses a self-signed certificate. Since it is not possible to add an exemption, I have imported the mail server pem file. But the Thunderbird still complain "Could not connect to mail server Acct-Name; the connection was refused". It doesn't come to the stage to ask the password. Server logs doesn't show any drop packets from the firewall. How could I solve this problem? Many thanks in advance. Unga From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 19:39:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD36E1065673 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:39:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout018.mac.com (asmtpout018.mac.com [17.148.16.93]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B657A8FC13 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:39:58 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp018.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMS006IFPAL9150@asmtp018.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-14_08:2011-06-14, 2011-06-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106140156 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <395256.88650.qm@web160107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 12:39:57 -0700 Message-id: References: <395256.88650.qm@web160107.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> To: Unga X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thunderbird 3.1.10 Connection Refused X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:39:58 -0000 On Jun 14, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Unga wrote: > I need to access an IMAP server at mail.server.com:45000. And the server uses a self-signed certificate. The registered port for IMAPS is 993/tcp. Unless you have very good reasons for running IMAP server on a non-standard port, you should run it on the default location. Anyway: openssl s_client -connect mail.server.com:45000 ...is likely to be informative. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 21:52:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0731065678 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:52:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 123A28FC23 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:52:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so1186622yxl.13 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.130.2 with SMTP id h2mr8393156ybn.171.1308088337022; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from papi.localnet ([177.19.55.101]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g5sm3127618yhm.82.2011.06.14.14.52.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 14 Jun 2011 14:52:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:52:02 -0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (FreeBSD/8.2-STABLE; KDE/4.6.2; amd64; ; ) References: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> <201106091855.31224.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DF6A7CD.70403@midsummerdream.org> In-Reply-To: <4DF6A7CD.70403@midsummerdream.org> X-KMail-Markup: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201106141852.02295.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:52:18 -0000 On Monday 13 June 2011 21:14:05 Rob wrote: > On 6/9/11 4:55 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > > On Thursday 09 June 2011 10:49:37 Rob wrote: > >> On 6/6/11 8:39 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > >>> On Monday 06 June 2011 17:56:53 Rob wrote: > >>>> I was attempting to install virtualbox on my 8.2-p2 64-bit system this > >>>> weekend, and hit a rather curious situation. The pre-packaged version > >>>> of virtualbox retrievable by pkg_add is 3.2.12 (which looks in > >>>> ports/amd64/packages-8.2-release). Poking around on the ftp server, I > >>>> see that packages-8.1-release also has a 3.x version, but > >>>> packages-8-stable has the latest 4.0.8. > >>>> > >>>> I went to look in ports, which contains 4.0.8, and build it myself but > >>>> I got an error saying I need to have the 32-bit libraries installed > >>>> in order to build virtualbox. > >>>> > >>>> So, my question is 2-fold: > >>>> 1) What is the reason the 64-bit pre-packaged version of virtualbox is > >>>> still at the 3.x version? Would there be a problem with installing > >>>> the packages (virtualbox and kernel module) from packages-8-stable? > >>>> > >>>> 2) How do I build virtualbox 4.0.8 on a 64-bit system w/o the 32-bit > >>>> libs. Is that possible? Searching around has produced old e-mail > >>>> threads indicating this was a problem as of 2 or so years ago with the > >>>> 3.x release. If it's not possible to build w/o the 32-bit libs, what > >>>> do I need to install? > >>>> > >>>> Rob > >>> > >>> You need to rebuild your kernel with > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> included. > >>> > >>> And as per the port's error message: > >>> > >>> cd /usr/src; make build32 install32; /etc/rc.d/ldconfig restart > >> > >> I noticed that when I tried to build the ports, but I don't have > >> anything in /usr/src and no information was given as to what > >> packages/src I needed to install. I'd like to avoid diverging from the > >> stock release kernel for upgrade simplicity. What exactly does that do? > >> > >> Will it introduce upgrade complexity (ie will I have to upgrade these > >> > >> libs before I upgrade the kernel or some such)? > >> > >> Rob > > > > To remain with the same kernel you installed, you must install the source > > tree from the same CD/DVD you used for installation. > > > > You will have to run sysinstal and go to > > > > Configure Do post-install configuration of FreeBSD > > > > then > > > > Distributions Install additional distribution sets > > > > then mark > > > > [ ] src Sources for everything > > > > Choose the CDROM as installation media. After that you'll have all the > > sources on your HD and can proceed to the compilation of the 32 libs. > > > > If the sources are from the same CD you installed the system, they will > > be in sync with your kernel. No upgrade issues. > > What is that command doing though? It's building what from src? What > is the output of build32? I assume it's not a kernel. > No. Its JUST the 32 bit libraries. make build32 builds the 32bit libraries. It simply outputs the compilation process. make install32 installs the 32bit libraries. Same thing but for the install process. > Also, do you know the difference between pre-built packages on the > freebsd ftp server in packages-8.2-release vs packages-8-stable? > Well, IF you installed the source tree from the SAME cd which you installed the FreeBSD you have now, there won't be any problems. You said you want to keep the stock kernel you installed so I assume that you haven't updated anything from the internet. You MUST install the source tree from the same DVD/CD from where you installed your running kernel! The diference is that the packages are meant to run on their respective version. I believe that packages that don't rely on a specific thing of one version should run without problems on both. But this is not normal or even needed at all, specially because it is so easy to bring everything uptodate to the same version. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99% winblows FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 22:35:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408601065670 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7758FC0C for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBE7CD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.231.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5EMZ0la069857; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:01 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5EMYxN9047057; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:35:01 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5EMYn7r015745; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:34:54 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106142234.p5EMYn7r015745@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Peter Toth From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Mon, 13 Jun 2011 14:27:31 +1200." <4DF57593.7040409@snap.net.nz> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:34:49 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on IBM 3630 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:04 -0000 Peter Toth wrote: > Anyone is running IBM 3630 out there with FreeBSD? Short: Try Harder ;-) Medium: If one ask a better question, one gets better answers. Long: You may improve responses by adding eg: - Why you want to know Thinking of buying or selling ? Got it working & thinking of adding to compatabiity list ? Or ... ? - If you have one, try it & attach dmesg or error message etc. - Summarise hardware, at least attach a URL such as: http://www.highlander-estore.com/products.asp?partno=737742G or find some better URL eg from: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&pq=dmesg%20%22ibm%203630%22%20freebsd&xhr=t&q=+%22IBM+3630%22&cp=0&pf=p&sclient=psy&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=+%22IBM+3630%22+FreeBSD&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=7ff7d408b5d36764&biw=1560&bih=836&bs=1 Listing chipsets/ cards usually helps. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Mail plain text: Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 22:35:56 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D5ED1065677 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.82]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E727D8FC20 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9353 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2011 22:35:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.131.50.248) by p3plsmtpa01-02.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.82) with ESMTP; 14 Jun 2011 22:35:55 -0000 Message-ID: <4DF7E249.2050603@midsummerdream.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:35:53 -0500 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DF0CF71.1090302@midsummerdream.org> <4DF75CDA.3090102@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4DF75CDA.3090102@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:35:56 -0000 On 6/14/11 8:06 AM, Ondrej Majerech wrote: > On 06/09/2011 15:49, Rob wrote: >> On 6/6/11 8:39 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: >>> You need to rebuild your kernel with >>> >>> >>> >>> options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries >>> >>> >>> >>> included. >> >> I noticed that when I tried to build the ports, but I don't have >> anything in /usr/src and no information was given as to what >> packages/src I needed to install. I'd like to avoid diverging from the >> stock release kernel for upgrade simplicity. What exactly does that do? >> Will it introduce upgrade complexity (ie will I have to upgrade these >> libs before I upgrade the kernel or some such)? > > Needless to say, that option seems to be enabled in GENERIC: > > [starlight] ~ > grep COMPAT_FREEBSD32 /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC > options COMPAT_FREEBSD32 # Compatible with i386 binaries > > Also I don't remember having to issue make build32 install32 or anything > of that sort. > > You do need to have the FreeBSD source tree installed on your system, > though. Did you try just fetching the source tree without building from > it and then trying to build VirtualBox again? > > ~ Ondra Is there a pkg_add command for installing the source tree, or should I just use sysinstall? Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 22:41:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A991065677 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:41:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa01-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa01-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [72.167.82.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3587A8FC23 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:40:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25014 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2011 22:40:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.131.50.248) by p3plsmtpa01-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.90) with ESMTP; 14 Jun 2011 22:40:59 -0000 Message-ID: <4DF7E37A.8060107@midsummerdream.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:40:58 -0500 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> <201106091855.31224.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DF6A7CD.70403@midsummerdream.org> <201106141852.02295.lobo@bsd.com.br> In-Reply-To: <201106141852.02295.lobo@bsd.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:41:00 -0000 On 6/14/11 4:52 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: >> Also, do you know the difference between pre-built packages on the >> freebsd ftp server in packages-8.2-release vs packages-8-stable? >> > > Well, IF you installed the source tree from the SAME cd which you installed > the FreeBSD you have now, there won't be any problems. You said you want to > keep the stock kernel you installed so I assume that you haven't updated > anything from the internet. You MUST install the source tree from the same > DVD/CD from where you installed your running kernel! > > The diference is that the packages are meant to run on their respective > version. I believe that packages that don't rely on a specific thing of one > version should run without problems on both. But this is not normal or even > needed at all, specially because it is so easy to bring everything uptodate to > the same version. I installed from an 8.2 boot only CD (ie network install) and have since patched up to 8.2-p2. I assume I can just run sysinstall from my system and pull the src tree from the ftp server? When 8.3 comes out, what do I need to do to update the src tree? This may be documented in the UPDATING docs, but having never messed with the source tree I haven't had cause to look. If so just tell me to go read the respective doc. :) Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 22:42:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9265D1065670 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:42:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Received: from mail.monochrome.org (b4.ebbed1.client.atlantech.net [209.190.235.180]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 491E68FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:42:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([192.168.1.11]) by mail.monochrome.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5EMfvku021758; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:41:57 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from chris@monochrome.org) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:41:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Hill To: "Julian H. Stacey" In-Reply-To: <201106142234.p5EMYn7r015745@fire.js.berklix.net> Message-ID: References: <201106142234.p5EMYn7r015745@fire.js.berklix.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Peter Toth , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on IBM 3630 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:42:06 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Peter Toth wrote: >> Anyone is running IBM 3630 out there with FreeBSD? > > Short: Try Harder ;-) > Medium: If one ask a better question, one gets better answers. Well said. I misread the subject at first, and thought the OP was asking about running FreeBSD on an IBM 360 =:^O > Long: You may improve responses by adding eg: > - Why you want to know > Thinking of buying or selling ? > Got it working & thinking of adding to compatabiity list ? > Or ... ? > - If you have one, try it & attach dmesg or error message etc. > - Summarise hardware, > at least attach a URL such as: > http://www.highlander-estore.com/products.asp?partno=737742G > or find some better URL eg from: > http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&pq=dmesg%20%22ibm%203630%22%20freebsd&xhr=t&q=+%22IBM+3630%22&cp=0&pf=p&sclient=psy&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=+%22IBM+3630%22+FreeBSD&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=7ff7d408b5d36764&biw=1560&bih=836&bs=1 > Listing chipsets/ cards usually helps. > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com > Reply below, not above; indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. > Mail plain text: Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Chris Hill chris@monochrome.org ** [ Busy Expunging ] From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 22:43:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36D31065674 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:43:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout028.mac.com (asmtpout028.mac.com [17.148.16.103]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEA08FC0A for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:43:17 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp028.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMS005MEXR7AU10@asmtp028.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-14_08:2011-06-15, 2011-06-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106140205 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4DF7E37A.8060107@midsummerdream.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 15:42:43 -0700 Message-id: <21613D8D-0353-4DCF-A682-FA04055909D1@mac.com> References: <201106062239.14221.lobo@bsd.com.br> <201106091855.31224.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DF6A7CD.70403@midsummerdream.org> <201106141852.02295.lobo@bsd.com.br> <4DF7E37A.8060107@midsummerdream.org> To: lists@midsummerdream.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Virtualbox on 8.2 64-bit (cont) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:43:17 -0000 On Jun 14, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Rob wrote: > When 8.3 comes out, what do I need to do to update the src tree? This may be documented in the UPDATING docs, but having never messed with the source tree I haven't had cause to look. If so just tell me to go read the respective doc. :) Read the fine Handbook: http://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/updating-upgrading.html Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 23:32:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F63D106566C for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@snap.net.nz) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D8A28FC17 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:32:47 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAC/v903KfG1Y/2dsb2JhbABSplHJR4YmBJFJkAM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,367,1304251200"; d="scan'208";a="56421736" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with ESMTP; 15 Jun 2011 11:32:46 +1200 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.88 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.88 Received: from akllappt.local (88.109.124.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.124.109.88]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12F9B2027F; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:32:46 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <4DF7EF9F.90909@snap.net.nz> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:32:47 +1200 From: Peter Toth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110421 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201106142234.p5EMYn7r015745@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201106142234.p5EMYn7r015745@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on IBM 3630 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:32:48 -0000 On 06/15/11 10:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Peter Toth wrote: >> Anyone is running IBM 3630 out there with FreeBSD? > Short: Try Harder ;-) > Medium: If one ask a better question, one gets better answers. > Long: You may improve responses by adding eg: > - Why you want to know > Thinking of buying or selling ? > Got it working & thinking of adding to compatabiity list ? > Or ... ? > - If you have one, try it & attach dmesg or error message etc. > - Summarise hardware, > at least attach a URL such as: > http://www.highlander-estore.com/products.asp?partno=737742G > or find some better URL eg from: > http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&pq=dmesg%20%22ibm%203630%22%20freebsd&xhr=t&q=+%22IBM+3630%22&cp=0&pf=p&sclient=psy&source=hp&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=+%22IBM+3630%22+FreeBSD&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=7ff7d408b5d36764&biw=1560&bih=836&bs=1 > Listing chipsets/ cards usually helps. > > Cheers, > Julian Thanks for the advise! Will try to be more specific next time. Just wanted a quick answer to a quick question :) ...way too busy lately... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 14 23:34:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA65106566C for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:34:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EDE8FC08 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:34:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBE7CD.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.231.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5ENYnQq070149; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:34:50 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5ENYpKI047171; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:34:51 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5ENYa5k016544; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:34:41 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106142334.p5ENYa5k016544@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Chris Hill From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:41:57 EDT." Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:34:35 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: Peter Toth , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on IBM 3630 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 23:34:52 -0000 Chris Hill wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > > Peter Toth wrote: > >> Anyone is running IBM 3630 out there with FreeBSD? > > > > Short: Try Harder ;-) > > Medium: If one ask a better question, one gets better answers. > > Well said. Thanks ! > I misread the subject at first, and thought the OP was asking about > running FreeBSD on an IBM 360 =:^O Yup, me too :-) First thought was "Maybe this is a spoof", 2nd was "Maybe NetBSD, - they do lots of unusual architectures" - then I wondered if it really did exist, so I went searching :-) Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Mail plain text: Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 00:10:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 410A5106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:10:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED2048FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:10:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (zeller.torservers.net [74.120.12.135]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4648C5BDA for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:46:18 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:09:52 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:10:08 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! How can I extract an 'old' snapshot from portsnap database? Does it keep them? Does portsnap keep snapshots fetched previously? Suppose I need the particular port or the whole tree as of the specified date and time? Or, if I need the particular version of the specified port and optionally the ports tree that corresponds it? Thank you. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 00:17:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C10C106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:17:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com (asmtpout019.mac.com [17.148.16.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D9F8FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:17:40 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMT001U625FO140@asmtp019.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:17:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-14_08:2011-06-15, 2011-06-14, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106140222 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:17:39 -0700 Message-id: References: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> To: Peter Vereshagin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:17:40 -0000 On Jun 14, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! > > How can I extract an 'old' snapshot from portsnap database? > Does it keep them? Does portsnap keep snapshots fetched previously? As far as I can tell, you can't. > Suppose I need the particular port or the whole tree as of the specified date > and time? Or, if I need the particular version of the specified port and optionally the > ports tree that corresponds it? Update the ports tree using cvs/csup, which do support updating to a particular date. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 00:34:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D14106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DEA8FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (rockhall.torservers.net [77.247.181.163]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AAD55ADB for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:10:57 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:34:34 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110615003434.GE5630@external.screwed.box> References: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; x-action=pgp-signed In-Reply-To: Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:34:42 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/14 17:17:39 -0700 Chuck Swiger => To Peter Vereshagin : CS> > Does it keep them? Does portsnap keep snapshots fetched previously? CS> As far as I can tell, you can't. But on every 'portsnap fetch' it tells it downloads a new stuff and doesn't tell it deletes the old? - From what I see in /var/db/portsnap/files/ it keeps every file it had ever downloaded: they all have different times. So it's just a feature that is missing yet from portsnap? or it's never possible by a portsnap's (storage) design which I believe is rather simple? Should it be possible to delete every file newer than the date of my preference and just (something like) 'portsnap extract' then from that storage? CS> > Suppose I need the particular port or the whole tree as of the specified date CS> > and time? Or, if I need the particular version of the specified port and optionally the CS> > ports tree that corresponds it? CS> CS> Update the ports tree using cvs/csup, which do support updating to a particular date. I'd prefer svn/p4 for this if I did. Not a big deal though. ;-) 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) - -- http://vereshagin.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk33/hgACgkQDOFKrKDiZifOZQCfR0IsHSFXML60Pwj7UFhEVWCD E5EAoPglLDjpG72UfSIwIdyWKQ74HGlc =wxV+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 00:37:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96F2E106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:37:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@snap.net.nz) Received: from snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz (snapmx1.ironport.snap.net.nz [202.37.100.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 342038FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:37:49 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAFH+903KfG1Y/2dsb2JhbABJCaZRyUuDJIMCBJFJkAM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,368,1304251200"; d="scan'208";a="56435176" Received: from rupert.snap.net.nz ([202.37.100.140]) by smtp1.ironport.snap.net.nz with ESMTP; 15 Jun 2011 12:37:49 +1200 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.88 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.88 X-Sender-IP: 202.124.109.88 Received: from akllappt.local (88.109.124.202.static.snap.net.nz [202.124.109.88]) by rupert.snap.net.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08C22027B; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:37:48 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <4DF7FEDC.2080304@snap.net.nz> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:37:48 +1200 From: Peter Toth User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110421 Thunderbird/3.1.9 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Julian H. Stacey" References: <201106142334.p5ENYa5k016544@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201106142334.p5ENYa5k016544@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD on IBM 3630 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:37:50 -0000 On 06/15/11 11:34, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Chris Hill wrote: >> On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> >>> Peter Toth wrote: >>>> Anyone is running IBM 3630 out there with FreeBSD? >>> Short: Try Harder ;-) >>> Medium: If one ask a better question, one gets better answers. >> Well said. > Thanks ! > >> I misread the subject at first, and thought the OP was asking about >> running FreeBSD on an IBM 360 =:^O > Yup, me too :-) First thought was "Maybe this is a spoof", 2nd was > "Maybe NetBSD, - they do lots of unusual architectures" - then I > wondered if it really did exist, so I went searching :-) > > Cheers, > Julian We've got a special deal on these with 24TB raw storage + 2x drives in the back of it with an additional drive cage. Planning to use it as a custom ZFS storage.. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 00:59:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C327B106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:59:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glarkin@FreeBSD.org) Received: from mail1.sourcehosting.net (mail1.sourcehosting.net [74.205.51.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C688FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:59:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 68-189-245-235.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com ([68.189.245.235] helo=cube.entropy.prv) by mail1.sourcehosting.net with esmtp (Exim 4.73 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QWeNx-000PIT-8P; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:55:15 -0400 Received: from v104.entropy.prv (v104.entropy.prv [192.168.1.104]) by cube.entropy.prv (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3423F4F3205C; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4DF803F5.8040400@FreeBSD.org> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 20:59:33 -0400 From: Greg Larkin Organization: The FreeBSD Project User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Peter Vereshagin References: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> In-Reply-To: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=1C940290 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 68.189.245.235 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: glarkin@FreeBSD.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on mail1.sourcehosting.net X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_PBL, RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL, RDNS_DYNAMIC, TVD_RCVD_IP autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on mail1.sourcehosting.net) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: glarkin@FreeBSD.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:59:41 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 6/14/11 8:09 PM, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! > > How can I extract an 'old' snapshot from portsnap database? > Does it keep them? Does portsnap keep snapshots fetched previously? > > Suppose I need the particular port or the whole tree as of the specified date > and time? > Or, if I need the particular version of the specified port and optionally the > ports tree that corresponds it? > > Thank you. Hi Peter, You can fetch a ports tree as of specific date like so: cvs -d :ext:anoncvs@anoncvs1.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs export -D 2010-10-01 - -d ports-2010-10-01 ports In this example, I am exporting (no CVS metadata dirs) a full ports tree as of Oct 1st, 2010 into the directory "ports-2010-10-01". You can keep many different dated copies of the ports tree, and you can also fetch portions of it as of a specific date if you specify a more complete module name, e.g. ports/lang/gcc45. Hope that helps, Greg - -- Greg Larkin http://www.FreeBSD.org/ - The Power To Serve http://www.sourcehosting.net/ - Ready. Set. Code. http://twitter.com/cpucycle/ - Follow you, follow me -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk34A/UACgkQ0sRouByUApB1QACfVfWOnWxgATY1m9gkmeLlwLJa gxYAoMChtEGHPahXBRHXvOCRhClLQwCv =WUIL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 02:24:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6D20106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:24:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mnorwick@centurytel.net) Received: from mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com [209.235.152.131]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FDF08FC1E for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:24:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Authenticated-User: mnorwick.centurytel.net Received: from [192.168.1.45] (174-124-50-159.dyn.centurytel.net [174.124.50.159] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail941c35.nsolutionszone.com (8.13.6/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5F2Ogkg027116 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:24:44 GMT Message-ID: <4DF817EA.2070604@centurytel.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:24:42 -0500 From: "Michael D. Norwick" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> <4DF771B7.4090104@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4DF771B7.4090104@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=1.1 cv=XVqAJr2ZWwfBSsdk4FzlBzxyf3pguIMXINWh6VweC0M= c=1 sm=1 a=NA7G0gPBIugA:10 a=3WPTVEtZbjMA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=hN+W2KGhDs+B4L3YjJOgeQ==:17 a=M4bq1dzKgBtqYybX-ycA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=hN+W2KGhDs+B4L3YjJOgeQ==:117 Subject: Can't find pyatspi X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:24:46 -0000 Good Day; Trying to do portupgrade -a on FreeBSD 8.2 amd64. The build gets to orca. #>Configuring for orca-2.32.1_1 Then hangs at #>checking for python module pyatspi... I do not require accessibility packages and I do not routinely use python. What am I missing? portsnap fetch portsnap upgrade on 06/12/2011 * UPDATE * I logged on to another ssh session on the machine, then su'd to root and killed the python process that was hung. The configure script error'd out then portupgrade continued. All I can find is Linux problems with pyatspi on Google. Thank You, Michael From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 02:51:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225861065672 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A7D8FC13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [173.208.107.247]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 762725B2D for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:28:05 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:51:32 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110615025132.GF5630@external.screwed.box> References: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> <4DF803F5.8040400@FreeBSD.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DF803F5.8040400@FreeBSD.org> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 02:51:51 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/14 20:59:33 -0400 Greg Larkin => To Peter Vereshagin : GL> > How can I extract an 'old' snapshot from portsnap database? GL> > Does it keep them? Does portsnap keep snapshots fetched previously? GL> > GL> > Suppose I need the particular port or the whole tree as of the specified date GL> > and time? GL> > Or, if I need the particular version of the specified port and optionally the GL> > ports tree that corresponds it? GL> > GL> > Thank you. GL> GL> Hi Peter, GL> GL> You can fetch a ports tree as of specific date like so: GL> GL> cvs -d :ext:anoncvs@anoncvs1.FreeBSD.org:/home/ncvs export -D 2010-10-01 GL> -d ports-2010-10-01 ports GL> GL> In this example, I am exporting (no CVS metadata dirs) a full ports tree GL> as of Oct 1st, 2010 into the directory "ports-2010-10-01". Sure, I know I can do it with (x)VCS. I'd like an offline solution as it can be faster for me than to go and turn my big internet switch on ;-) Looking at the portsnap storage I see no mission impossible about it. It was an empirical part of my question. Having a port for the distfile I have from half a year ago and knowledge it is stored somewhere in /var/db/portsnap is a practical part of my question. I just need no internet connection to get the port from VCS if I can have the new distfile instead, so it's no much useful to use VCS for this case ;-) GL> You can keep many different dated copies of the ports tree, and you can GL> also fetch portions of it as of a specific date if you specify a more GL> complete module name, e.g. ports/lang/gcc45. But hell yes, having VCS before such a situation to happen is good. "Just if we knew before ..." From the first glance at the what the portsnap is it looks promising it's certainly a natural matter for it: ports snapshots management. For example, the file system snapshots are very useful for that same purpose I describe here, why ports snapshots should not? 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 05:09:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3738106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alphachi@mediaspirit.org) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA99A8FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so7686639iyj.13 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:09:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.168.137 with SMTP id w9mr69864icy.121.1308114592897; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.213.195 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:09:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:09:52 +0800 Message-ID: From: alphachi To: "list: freebsd" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Can't index Chinese encoding for fonts.dir X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:09:54 -0000 When installed /usr/ports/x11-fonts/wqy, I found there aren't any entries about Chinese encoding in /usr/local/lib/X11/fonts/wqy/fonts.dir, just like "...-gb18030.2000-0", "...--gb2312.1980-0", "...-gbk-0", so X programs can not correctly display Chinese characters. I used command mkfontscale/mkfontdir for rebuilding fonts.dir, but still no Chinese items. Examined the localization set, that is no problem: zh_CN.UTF-8. There is also another machine, exactly the same software installed with this, but the machine is OK. What problem is this? thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 05:30:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3FF106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:30:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C7B48FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:30:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QWiga-0003Kj-Au for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:30:40 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:30:40 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:30:40 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:30:52 -0400 Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2> <201106141112.42324.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 05:30:42 -0000 Rodrigo Gonzalez wrote: > On Tuesday, June 14, 2011 09:46:17 AM Glenn McCalley wrote: >> Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to >> work for me. >> >> "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., etc." >> >> This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster >> program. phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function >> anywhere. phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the >> desire to look. > > It looks good, where are you getting the error? in a web page or using > cli? > Type php -v at a command prompt. It should return something like this: testbed# php -v PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Mar 31 2011 11:08:23) Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies with XCache v1.3.2-rc1, Copyright (c) 2005-2011, by mOo If it does not, go to the php-extensions port, run make config and check the box which builds the CLI version. It is in addition to all the other extensions so it won't interfere with them. The CGI build option is also more commonly required when using FastCGI. I'm basing this on the report that mysql_connect works OK in a web page but is failing when run at CLI. If I am misunderstanding something please excuse. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 07:51:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE261065670 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:51:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A11AF8FC16 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:51:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so140753wwc.31 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XIGuoQPl6OAeJrlisFmvtQ5n4BqSzWzxZIblzwBZIqQ=; b=aMk9daTbB7OTDRoKiwgNqvqPTDEhu21+es93vJiY/LWmv4yIYo2jQyxfmaPEFarqHA l/WCb2umM4qoXQLzSE3M+vywK2X6kIavIrMTrDlphEuu56kez3h0S0jk8o6GCbnubdnZ b4SC6zKRybZZH+VQWhHLXZZ610coOS2pGrd3A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=B6IICKykx0mQoD1luE8g9CftRKrjW4N/VqaCIlFe0C9vJRWWB1rxcHkIdSvpUeXoKg /TggIJAlbpClQof17zrPP8uhdvdvnlCCGHQYrZ78D8twYzz8bkZ9i9lbJ2oDPfoN2FAh Zz78fmXHwMImLaykKGCiUGsjYzQ20+0nRgZXg= Received: by 10.227.27.98 with SMTP id h34mr191381wbc.113.1308124286537; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o38sm133582wba.37.2011.06.15.00.51.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 00:51:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:51:22 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110615085122.1d4ae0be@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20110615003434.GE5630@external.screwed.box> References: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> <20110615003434.GE5630@external.screwed.box> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:51:28 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:34:34 +0400 Peter Vereshagin wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! > 2011/06/14 17:17:39 -0700 Chuck Swiger => To Peter > Vereshagin : > CS> > Does it keep them? Does portsnap keep snapshots fetched > CS> > previously? > CS> As far as I can tell, you can't. > > But on every 'portsnap fetch' it tells it downloads a new stuff and > doesn't tell it deletes the old? > - From what I see in /var/db/portsnap/files/ it keeps every file it > had ever downloaded: they all have different times. It doesn't, it's a snapshot. The timestamps just reflect the last time each particular object was updated. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 08:04:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8E7106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unga888@yahoo.com) Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.160]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CAEC98FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.150] by nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 08:03:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.226] by tm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 08:03:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 08:03:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 192360.98588.bm@omp1035.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 37298 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2011 08:03:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1308125039; bh=SERrPFbsEa6iIdC1hyeck63eOacIvPmeGmGoWzbzXGI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vroxoVfDn5l04MgSigIw4T2jsSBBnzAi3C0NeM0oBLwDI9KZI0bW6Zx00+Z/JdzCmZPGhCm2iYPu6jeaJ9XwM6r7zDDO3qgFoiHsTmSNK6aM18TnCw2VMN++KcAVHtjhY3aNCS3bYXbLZwQ34JrQ+fZuRfpPImAmJi8nhueyQvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=3e9rUbbNO04fDh09vXQYwf41XfnW2WYavx97Dn52OGJP10UVnfXkCN1jc8z3mLI27uVmpyJHbqTkgASyclvJAotUevZI8J86yRAKhMbzw1iq5R/Wt62dm+VnFHr0UGFH5muhFgP2WGYCevMcNh8BvTeXH9OqRGXNm1g8JeES80A=; Message-ID: <120143.16710.qm@web160104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 0y_dxNgVM1nHs3ZREYqL8DvULsaXIuIOymBr_TmM8nCJFA9 sRkLg5t9Ee1TjlD.N7qajcThQvC1nCRx0x3PIivcb.i3l_HHtRVOZmsnZpYx 0e8t5Pg6HZcKbFu0weRIiZtT_u4RxOR8iMR3G.nmY03_AiVpg6LaY7RzEX0m 2wyVCq9cJ6B05UMW5jiZtcEl94gTdTxzpEAHjbGOTap65PBt5LsLppZU700L 6aOpNkf4B6mF5C1AAHjuii9puGnNlPnXQU9DxtvsyQKyJXZLCBuVXzQclE4E M30LyRlISeQNmwLS4h0WwRSO3GxUkEJXWWWxQv1Xg_4Vgu4lz4uYu9nftwfs idJWC06LtNnYzofVNyj6_gLFJds1ESTqV.jWcUaWZx03irs_PvIDdr56A4GO va4_q_MRDjriYzPlVYgdbLWB_N_H571LAhjosNn43QSFCZXWw.Oevn4d6ke1 RnFTb3yNrCXI0wg0a Received: from [112.134.96.220] by web160104.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:03:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/14.0.1 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:03:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Unga To: Chuck Swiger In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Thunderbird 3.1.10 Connection Refused [SOLVED] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:04:00 -0000 --- On Wed, 6/15/11, Chuck Swiger wrote:=0A=0A> From: Chu= ck Swiger =0A> Subject: Re: Thunderbird 3.1.10 Connection = Refused=0A> To: "Unga" =0A> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebs= d.org=0A> Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011, 3:39 AM=0A> On Jun 14, 2011, at 1= 1:28 AM, Unga=0A> wrote:=0A> > I need to access an IMAP server at=0A> mail.= server.com:45000. And the server uses a self-signed=0A> certificate.=0A> = =0A> The registered port for IMAPS is 993/tcp.=A0 Unless you=0A> have very = good reasons for running IMAP server on a=0A> non-standard port, you should= run it on the default=0A> location.=0A> =0A> Anyway:=0A> =0A> =A0=A0=A0ope= nssl s_client -connect=0A> mail.server.com:45000=0A> =0A> ...is likely to b= e informative.=0A> =0A=0AThank you very much for the reply. It was found th= e IMAP server was not listening to the specified port.=0A=0AUnga=0A =0A From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 08:45:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E5E106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:45:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1738FC19 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:45:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (rainbowwarrior.torservers.net [77.247.181.164]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FEE75BFD for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:21:26 +0400 (MSD) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:44:30 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110615084430.GG5630@external.screwed.box> References: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> <20110615003434.GE5630@external.screwed.box> <20110615085122.1d4ae0be@gumby.homeunix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110615085122.1d4ae0be@gumby.homeunix.com> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:45:14 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/15 08:51:22 +0100 RW => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : R> > - From what I see in /var/db/portsnap/files/ it keeps every file it R> > had ever downloaded: they all have different times. R> R> It doesn't, it's a snapshot. The timestamps just reflect the last time R> each particular object was updated. Hmm... looks like only a current ports state is kept in those tars: $ tar -ztf /var/db/portsnap/files/12312e0e54a707a22613b0394a976c9d2044e98728b51c592d6e9a42c989300c.gz Makefile distinfo pkg-descr pkg-plist such a single '.gz' extension was a false hint to me those are diffs. Thanks all. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 08:49:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF348106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944CC8FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:49:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so139680gxk.13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.238.15 with SMTP id l15mr529480ybh.241.1308127769759; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:49:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u64sm124378yhm.41.2011.06.15.01.49.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 01:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DF87216.5050908@my.gd> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:49:26 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, kline@thought.org References: <20110611231109.GA10815@thought.org> <20110611233610.GA11510@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110611233610.GA11510@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: some help still needed.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:49:30 -0000 On 6/12/11 1:36 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 06:22:57PM -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2011 18:22:57 -0500 >> From: Ryan Coleman >> Subject: Re: some help still needed.... >> To: Gary Kline >> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List >> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8J3) >> >> >> Always on php the latest.. So php5. > > > And, what's the easiest way to determine why # php segvs? > Sorry for the late response Gary. First, I would ask myself: - does it crash in CLI ? - does it crash as an apache module ? - does it crash as a PHP FCGI process ? Second, I would ask myself: - does it crash when I call a specific php page ? - any page at all ? Third, I would rebuild php with debug: cd /usr/ports/lang/php5 && make config Tick DEBUG. Of course you'll also want to rebuild your php5-extensions just to be safe. When you next get a core dump, you should be able to load it in gdb and see what module caused it to crash. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 10:48:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AEE11065672 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ndhertbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7AD8FC21 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:48:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so253452iyj.13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=4ucIFEIIAnKXi522cUsrvKDsYwzpSjHN38rzaPTHteE=; b=Kva+Dgrf2XIySPzqplvZ2axH0VCRMVZLYNVxUqx9LkuMzSyvX+4Tf8wTkedC7XXWJo OUB0ZXSVwjorJsodzpjStTA7+IX6QU4SDcWvE3emZJX1BMb4hGAUl7xuuNwG8ecNH6rf KNK5EJumlZCP8wM/vW/UO8A855QEgV12tZkwo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=GK5o2z/bjdZU43e99zEl8JRb5fWLfDk5hfKD7+z6lDW+bKxSiC4sErwPAzI6v1Y9Kr Vw0qJxvb+Y/0F3DMazd5m15gJPmeCu4wbSU4rDmso9wTBp1n9rZq2dp7K97CznFAHqvQ KL35+rG16326lhssmCT6rJQYRI/i1mLvXBDGs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.43.8 with SMTP id u8mr337362ibe.74.1308134881191; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.207.66 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:48:01 +0200 Message-ID: From: n dhert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, wxs@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Subject: mailman-2.1.14_2 and _3, CGI wrapper Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:48:02 -0000 Yesterday morning I upgraded mailman-2.1.14_1 to 2.1.14_2 Since then none of my mailings lists (that worked for years) works. http://myserver.mysubdom.mydom/mailman/listinfo (or any other mailman command) gives Mailman CGI error!!! The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. This entry is being stored in your syslog: Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI wrapper script to be executed as group "@CGI_GROUP@", but the system's web server executed the CGI script as group "www". Try tweaking the web server to run the script as group "@CGI_GROUP@", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=www'. I know there is an entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING 20110613: AFFECTS: users of mail/mailman with postfix AUTHOR: crees@FreeBSD.org The mailman port has for some time specified the incorrect group when using with Postfix, as reported in ports/142000. The group for mailman is now nobody if compiled with Postfix. Be prepared to make appropriate adjustments if you have compensated for this bug in the past. But I don't use postfix, I Use sendmail I saw there today mailman-2.1.14_3, so I portupgraded to that version and also did # /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop # /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start but this doesn't help. Is there an error in de newest version? Do I need to "Try tweaking the web server to run the script as group "@CGI_GROUP@", or re-run configure, providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=www'." How should this be done? is this a change in Apache web server ? and how exactly?? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 11:08:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC54A106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE3C28FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5FB8G5M058235; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:08:24 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DF8929F.6090200@bah.homeip.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:08:15 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: n dhert References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: wxs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailman-2.1.14_2 and _3, CGI wrapper Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:08:38 -0000 2011-06-15 12:48, n dhert skrev: > Yesterday morning I upgraded mailman-2.1.14_1 to 2.1.14_2 > > Since then none of my mailings lists (that worked for years) works. > http://myserver.mysubdom.mydom/mailman/listinfo > (or any other mailman command) gives > > Mailman CGI error!!! > The Mailman CGI wrapper encountered a fatal error. > This entry is being stored in your syslog: > Group mismatch error. Mailman expected the CGI > wrapper script to be executed as group "@CGI_GROUP@", but > the system's web server executed the CGI script as > group "www". Try tweaking the web server to run the > script as group "@CGI_GROUP@", or re-run configure, > providing the command line option `--with-cgi-gid=www'. > > I know there is an entry in /usr/ports/UPDATING > 20110613: > AFFECTS: users of mail/mailman with postfix > AUTHOR: crees@FreeBSD.org > The mailman port has for some time specified the incorrect group when > using with Postfix, as reported in ports/142000. The group for mailman > is now nobody if compiled with Postfix. Be prepared to make appropriate > adjustments if you have compensated for this bug in the past. > But I don't use postfix, I Use sendmail > > I saw there today mailman-2.1.14_3, so I portupgraded to that version and > also did > # /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl stop > # /usr/local/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start > > but this doesn't help. Have you tried /etc/mail/make restart to restart sendmail? From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 11:24:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE105106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:24:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwatson@FreeBSD.org) Received: from cyrus.watson.org (cyrus.watson.org [65.122.17.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE4C8FC13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:24:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fledge.watson.org (fledge.watson.org [65.122.17.41]) by cyrus.watson.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76A1246B03; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:24:00 +0100 (BST) From: Robert Watson X-X-Sender: robert@fledge.watson.org To: board@FreeBSDFoundation.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <4DF86607.6070303@gmx.us> Message-ID: References: <4DF86607.6070303@gmx.us> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: Subject: Re: 'About FreeBSD' international X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:24:01 -0000 This might well be an instance of a link-farming scam against high-pagerank web sites, in which web pages are passed through Google Translate and then your "return link" then boosts ad revenues for the target site. (We get a lot of these e-mails at cl.cam.ac.uk due to high page rank -- the names on the e-mails vary, but the text is otherwise the same -- googling the phone number is enlightening :-) ) Robert N M Watson Computer Laboratory University of Cambridge On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Alyona Lompar wrote: > Hi! > > I'm willing to translate page located at http://www.freebsd.org/about.html to > the Belorussian language (my mother tongue). What I'm asking for is your > written permission, so you don't mind after I'll post the translation to my > blog. The translation is intended only for web, no print copies planned. > > Visitors of your website, who come from Minsk (Belorussia) will be the ones, > who will read this blogpost, that's the only way to spread them, no > additional instruments we can use. Every translation we ever do does not > costs a penny for the webpage, which is translated. All we ask is to link > back in whatever way you feel confident about it. > > You can leave a voice message and I will call you back, if you prefer a call > instead of emails. Do you prefer email or IM for contact (if any questions > regarding the translation arise)? What instant messaging client (if any) do > you use? AIM, MSN, Skype? > Thank you! > > Sincerely, > Alyona Lompar > +(360) 488-0303 > > --- > This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or > proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to > which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended > recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If > you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying > to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 11:29:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE24C106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:29:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593178FC15 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:29:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so358721wyf.13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:29:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iXKSEXYwG1ShFS0mMh0UmqmVYR5vWJpHlpm1RGWemZ8=; b=nbNhWMKVlfaUqGxePhX4yz1j9b9f/tmEjLs0+E+qeUIHzXonqQoYnaSeDl0Cc3vpiw 2ye0vJKhx5xQFACEQuCzanAgeay12oIVst46aGHcS0o+meIQR+BFctbgINuxUEo1isi8 ztmirZu+BQvm3kwGHFQMW5EhFG4rliAMPOo2k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=VwZtkFPm/kru1JY9xeDnH5nr8RjMlf93YNg6VpMGyZWTSLZpHUMKNUkSW1kyqmwbrj RUKfGrvyhZuBv1dTQxWe/4Ajp5+PhjI/zlqPBMaQ/tLnWT0V+lfSMfJyrezzwDqMqX3F uKy3C7N7NaDUWU7nNIx4vgtn7dG/3bCxrhGhg= Received: by 10.227.148.136 with SMTP id p8mr467050wbv.28.1308137371236; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id en1sm273218wbb.35.2011.06.15.04.29.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 04:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:29:27 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110615122927.695d103d@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <20110615084430.GG5630@external.screwed.box> References: <20110615000951.GD5630@external.screwed.box> <20110615003434.GE5630@external.screwed.box> <20110615085122.1d4ae0be@gumby.homeunix.com> <20110615084430.GG5630@external.screwed.box> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Extract particular date snapshot from /var/db/portsnap? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:29:32 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:44:30 +0400 Peter Vereshagin wrote: > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! > 2011/06/15 08:51:22 +0100 RW => To > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : > R> > - From what I see in /var/db/portsnap/files/ it keeps every file > R> > it had ever downloaded: they all have different times. > R> > R> It doesn't, it's a snapshot. The timestamps just reflect the last > R> time each particular object was updated. > > Hmm... looks like only a current ports state is kept in those tars: > > $ tar > -ztf /var/db/portsnap/files/12312e0e54a707a22613b0394a976c9d2044e98728b51c592d6e9a42c989300c.gz > Makefile distinfo > pkg-descr > pkg-plist > > such a single '.gz' extension was a false hint to me those are diffs. It does download diffs, but it applies them to the snapshot, and then discards them. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 11:48:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F218106564A; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:48:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@urgle.com) Received: from cheddar.urgle.com (cheddar.urgle.com [IPv6:2001:470:967d:b:21c:c4ff:fed7:6d44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72A68FC12; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:48:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mike by cheddar.urgle.com with local (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QWoZz-000AEg-Pl; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:48:15 +0000 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:48:15 +0100 From: Mike Bristow To: n dhert Message-ID: <20110615114815.GB39188@cheddar.urgle.com> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: wxs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mailman-2.1.14_2 and _3, CGI wrapper Error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:48:18 -0000 On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:48:01PM +0200, n dhert wrote: > Yesterday morning I upgraded mailman-2.1.14_1 to 2.1.14_2 > > Since then none of my mailings lists (that worked for years) works. > http://myserver.mysubdom.mydom/mailman/listinfo > (or any other mailman command) gives To fix, do: cd /usr/ports/mail/mailman make configure vi work/mailman-2.1.14/src/Makefile # search for @CGI_GROUP@ and replace with www # search for @MAIL_GROUP@ and replace with the right thing (probably mailman; # but will depend on your MTA) # save and exit from vi make /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman stop make deinstall make install /usr/local/etc/rc.d/mailman start (I should raise a PR, but haven't had time to look at the solution, and I prefer to raise PRs with a patch) -- Mike Bristow mike@urgle.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 07:58:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C30341065673 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:58:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alyona.lompar@gmx.us) Received: from mailout-eu.gmx.com (mailout-eu.gmx.com [213.165.64.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 204F18FC1A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:58:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Jun 2011 07:58:22 -0000 Received: from mm-162-254-57-86.static.mgts.by (EHLO [127.0.0.1]) [86.57.254.162] by mail.gmx.com (mp-eu001) with SMTP; 15 Jun 2011 09:58:22 +0200 X-Authenticated: #117704185 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Io0wxFWNID68hlmBmlaloilQAZuyJ3I0ITGz+qK WDlx3t5uZkPNJi Message-ID: <4DF86607.6070303@gmx.us> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:57:59 +0300 From: Alyona Lompar User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: board@FreeBSDFoundation.org, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:02:57 +0000 Cc: Subject: 'About FreeBSD' international X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Alyona Lompar List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 07:58:25 -0000 Hi! I'm willing to translate page located at http://www.freebsd.org/about.html to the Belorussian language (my mother tongue). What I'm asking for is your written permission, so you don't mind after I'll post the translation to my blog. The translation is intended only for web, no print copies planned. Visitors of your website, who come from Minsk (Belorussia) will be the ones, who will read this blogpost, that's the only way to spread them, no additional instruments we can use. Every translation we ever do does not costs a penny for the webpage, which is translated. All we ask is to link back in whatever way you feel confident about it. You can leave a voice message and I will call you back, if you prefer a call instead of emails. Do you prefer email or IM for contact (if any questions regarding the translation arise)? What instant messaging client (if any) do you use? AIM, MSN, Skype? Thank you! Sincerely, Alyona Lompar +(360) 488-0303 --- This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 10:15:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B647E106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:15:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glenn@bnetmd.net) Received: from worden.electric.net (smtp-out-32.electric.net [72.35.23.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891578FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:15:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 1QWn8S-0003XK-Vs by worden.electric.net with emc1-ok (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QWn8T-0003Xi-Tf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:15:45 -0700 Received: by emcmailer; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:15:45 -0700 Received: from [10.86.5.46] (helo=fuse246.electric.net) by worden.electric.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QWn8S-0003XK-Vs for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:15:44 -0700 Received: from mailanyone.net by fuse246.electric.net with esmtpa (MailAnyone extSMTP glenn@bnetmd.net) id 1QWn8R-0007jx-PL for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 03:15:44 -0700 Message-ID: <5B2094B3984F40BF98CE30D698431C6D@GLENN2> From: "Glenn McCalley" To: References: <0F3C08F3CEF445EB8DC0060735DCA69D@GLENN2><201106141112.42324.rjgonzale@estrads.com.ar> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:15:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 X-Outbound-IP: 10.86.5.46 X-Env-From: glenn@bnetmd.net X-PolicySMART: 1273431 X-Virus-Status: Scanned by VirusSMART (c) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:03:09 +0000 Subject: Re: mysql_connect error X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:15:46 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Powell" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 1:30 AM Subject: Re: mysql_connect error > Rodrigo Gonzalez wrote: > >> On Tuesday, June 14, 2011 09:46:17 AM Glenn McCalley wrote: >>> Seen other people have this problem but cannot get their resolutions to >>> work for me. >>> >>> "Fatal error: Call to oundefined function mysql_connect() in etc., etc." >>> >>> This began happening after an upgrade to php5 using the portmaster >>> program. phpinfo page does -not- show the mysql_connect function >>> anywhere. phpinfo page is at www9.bnetmd.net/index.php if you have the >>> desire to look. >> >> It looks good, where are you getting the error? in a web page or using >> cli? >> > Type php -v at a command prompt. It should return something like this: > > testbed# php -v > PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Mar 31 2011 11:08:23) > Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group > Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies > with XCache v1.3.2-rc1, Copyright (c) 2005-2011, by mOo > > If it does not, go to the php-extensions port, run make config and check > the > box which builds the CLI version. It is in addition to all the other > extensions so it won't interfere with them. The CGI build option is also > more commonly required when using FastCGI. > > I'm basing this on the report that mysql_connect works OK in a web page > but > is failing when run at CLI. If I am misunderstanding something please > excuse. > > -Mike > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Mike, your understanding is correct - works in a web page but fails from cli. php -v output below: www9# php -v PHP 5.2.17 with SUhosin-Patch 0.9.7 (cli) (built: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C5C71065672 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B6578FC1D for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:04:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5FE3xse006357 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:03:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:04:01 -0500 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:03:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:04:00 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Subject: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:04:00 -0000 I just finished some major upgrades/updates to a server, including php5-5.3.6 and apache2. Now I keep getting Segmentation faults and core dumps whenever apache2 rolls over its logs and does a restart. Here's the error. Does nyone have an idea of what's happening to cause this?: PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 4 2011 18:04:14) Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies with the ionCube PHP Loader v3.3.16, Copyright (c) 2002-2010, by ionCube Ltd. Segmentation fault (core dumped) Thanks for any hints.... Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 14:30:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CB6106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:30:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B928FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:30:01 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=lbNVae3Q2rI/9Bu3sDyvMO7eFJgoUcR5/LOlZST06L4=; b=nt6p85Alf0FLmi9UPEnhDttlC6cvdw3de9QtKvWN0zGpfC4H6U/6Co52ZGyT2cC5gjwEW1pHQC8rd76jEgvT2x+LdWwjwOcXu26Hm4xG4kpQvt7XWolzcWkxjKIbs0XP; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QWr82-000Bru-3R for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:31:34 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.3) with esmtpsa id 1308148288-38905-38904/7/4; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:31:28 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:29:54 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.11 (FreeBSD) Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:30:02 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:04:01 -0500, Jack L. Stone wrote: > with the ionCube PHP Loader v3.3.16, Copyright (c) 2002-2010, by > ionCube Ltd. ionCube causes all kinds of neat things like this. Disable it and I bet it won't happen. Regards, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 14:33:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF01D1065788 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:33:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1F18FC17 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:33:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from russet.local (reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5FEXFLS062259 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:33:21 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5FEXFLS062259 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308148401; bh=dD7WU2YHMwGJ0CD7sim//BcdC65OcU7AjrCMFtWVVys=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DF8C2A4.9050601@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2015=20Jun=202011=2015:33:08=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Another=2 0PHP5=20problem|References:=20<3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sa ge-american.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@ sage-american.com>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|Content-Type:=20mul tipart/signed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"applic ation/pgp-signature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enigEAACA5 43A2FE8ACF6B76CFB2"; b=h7FBPPCAkkQ5H1UNKzmyqobNoYFYMXhYeIdqG6uqCHFoXTwDLdB3BfBaExm4t7PvE np4GVxJrNBEPo0vbGq3jQsP6FkWarB0FZEg0jqMQwf6lPJcWc/+nZM9qrcEVfbaRbx z0a7BuYYt5nL/Tn7yY03VuE+Z5POLEqZegBzBKqY= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4DF8C2A4.9050601@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:33:08 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigEAACA543A2FE8ACF6B76CFB2" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:33:25 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigEAACA543A2FE8ACF6B76CFB2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/06/2011 15:04, Jack L. Stone wrote: > PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 4 2011 18:04:14)=20 > Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group > Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies > with the ionCube PHP Loader v3.3.16, Copyright (c) 2002-2010, by > ionCube Ltd. > Segmentation fault (core dumped) Check the mailing list archives for very many discussions on the effect of having the extensions listed in ${PREFIX}/etc/php/extensions.ini in the wrong order. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enigEAACA543A2FE8ACF6B76CFB2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk34wqoACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyeVACghKj5sJZMewzcQpHXOTdKwikR SuYAoJB9mG76SgCVTzOlrdH6s9ivR15F =BXmR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigEAACA543A2FE8ACF6B76CFB2-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 15:00:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC01106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lists@midsummerdream.org) Received: from smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.30]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B01268FC1C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9614 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2011 15:00:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (70.131.50.248) by smtpauth19.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.30) with ESMTP; 15 Jun 2011 15:00:52 -0000 Message-ID: <4DF8C923.6010600@midsummerdream.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:00:51 -0500 From: Rob User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: SATA SDD cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: lists@midsummerdream.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:00:54 -0000 Has anyone tried using an SATA SSD card (SATA add-on card that is a SSD drive) in FreeBSD? I was looking at an OCZ RevoDrive and was wondering if anyone had tried using one of those specifically, or any SATA SSD card in general. Rob From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 15:20:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 732BF106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32D018FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:20:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so420085gxk.13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:20:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/+nvJshQLXIHEsg67QERu3BcuDtMxpvzpi/4zSeur6g=; b=MxWR8Ts8ynyYiA6+zGS/8eSXvEBWxFYV1taxVmbalxku6lalqGZlYmrmiR/PwJr1nr 2KSgZerDHcUirIxNrerLsvtV2fuX6g2b9bVeKk+sT4aAPucomSw9mBs2CM+c17LcJAYU EZwz0T3/c5Wx87Hjzjg3en2533go99mul5cuM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=qJv2lO4kXyYH2s+g/+I2e2Cx2pYKxCa0DvWUZCuAIQYPY35K8V0eQGSf7bCCdFH7Dg Do8iQ1vx0TDdzhbs95+WbPsi9wAEgbWj1u4oaovqsBjvroSTVbKhDUSQNNG+aUHuMuIY tj2fN4Qw2zNeu+5B77wGk7marcdb3Km4VLjLs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.60.5 with SMTP id n5mr721254ank.8.1308151234310; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.11.20 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:20:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DF8C923.6010600@midsummerdream.org> References: <4DF8C923.6010600@midsummerdream.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:20:34 -0400 Message-ID: From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: SATA SDD cards X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:20:35 -0000 On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Rob wrote: > Has anyone tried using an SATA SSD card (SATA add-on card that is a SSD > drive) in FreeBSD? =A0I was looking at an OCZ RevoDrive and was wondering= if > anyone had tried using one of those specifically, or any SATA SSD card in > general. I have not used a SATA SSD card, however, I might steer you away from OCZ. I have a regular SSD drive made by them. When I was partitioning the drive, I wanted to make sure that the partitions were aligned with the NAND cell size to maximize the performance of the drive. As you may know already the NAND cell size roughly translates to the "sector" size in HDDs. On many HDDs the sector size is 512 bytes, but on some newer drives it is 4K, so partitions need to start on 4K boundaries to be aligned properly. So, the same sort of thing is needed with SSD drives, but they are not all 4K, some are 1K, some are 8K etc. So, I delved deep into OCZs information about my drive online and I was not able to find information about the NAND cell size. I eventually called OCZ, and after a bit of back and forth the tech I was talked to went and asked his manager then came back and told me that he is not allowed to give out that information. He did tell me that he was told starting the partition at LBA 64 will make sure that the drive is aligned. This information helps in one sense, but since there are new options in gpart(8) in CURRENT that allow you to set the "sector" size to automatically align partitions properly this information does not help in the long run. Buy from a company that doesn't keep their drive specs a mystery. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 16:09:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C0C106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from web@umich.edu) Received: from iamlegend.mr.itd.umich.edu (iamlegend.mr.itd.umich.edu [141.211.14.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10F778FC19 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:09:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: FROM tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu (smtp.mail.umich.edu [141.211.12.86]) By iamlegend.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4DF8D2F3.D86B0.20080 ; 15 Jun 2011 11:42:43 EDT Received: FROM itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu (itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu [141.213.135.249]) By tombraider.mr.itd.umich.edu ID 4DF8D2F2.48C4F.26381 ; Authuser web; 15 Jun 2011 11:42:42 EDT Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:42:35 -0400 From: William Bulley To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110615154235.GD12088@itcom245.staff.itd.umich.edu> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: system upgrade introduced oddball apache error... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:09:52 -0000 Running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: Thu Jun 9 09:25:05 EDT 2011 on i386 and rebuilt all my ports from source shortly after the upgrade. Got weird error when I tried to start apache2 (using "% apachectl -t" first): [Mon Jun 13 10:16:15 2011] [error] syntax error at (eval 21) line 1, near "require Apache2::Const -"\n [Mon Jun 13 10:16:15 2011] [error] Can't load Perl module Apache2::Const -compile => ':common' for server localhost:80, exiting... The Perl module in question is present here: freebsd% ls -l /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/mach/Apache2/Const.pm -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 25924 Jun 10 17:08 /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.14.0/mach/Apache2/Const.pm The only reference to it is in an Apache config include file: PerlModule "Apache2::Const -compile => ':common'" I have these ports: perl-5.14.0 apache-2.2.19 ap22-mod_perl2-2.0.5,3 In the /usr/local/etc/apache22/httpd.conf file, there is this line: LoadModule perl_module libexec/apache22/mod_perl.so but the httpd.conf file was unchanged from before the upgrade. Neither of these two commands gave any output at all: freebsd% perl -e 'use Apache2::Const qw( :common ); freebsd% perl -M'Apache2::Const -compile => qw(:common)' -e 1; This command gave one line of output: freebsd% perl -MApache2::Const -e 'print $Apache2::Const::VERSION, "\n"'; 2.000005 This problem did not occur before the upgrade when I was running: perl-5.12.3 apache-2.2.17_1 ap22-mod_perl2-2.0.4_2,3 I don't know how to debug this problem. No log files in /var/log were changed by running the apachectl(8) command and there have been no new lines added to /var/log/httpd-error.log since I rebooted and shut down apache2 on June 9th as part of the upgrade. Any and all ideas welcome. Regards, web... -- William Bulley Email: web@umich.edu 72 characters width template ----------------------------------------->| From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 15:33:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C927A106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:33:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from viperbbs@pacbell.net) Received: from nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B1238FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:33:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.193] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 15:20:47 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.125] by tm4.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 15:20:47 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 15:20:47 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 372335.60769.bm@omp1030.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 65268 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2011 15:20:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=pacbell.net; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=MNMhsTBOOZ4ITKQHcICiJY8Oq8ZRinZXy+V9G0nSuN+6rnmpf0Xi/c9ixqDz77hJgw4HpaCk9/aYldE7ytwkdaaFo9eqiflcNdLYEjxbFinvlqwBP1bUhL3Rb+uCu0NOtJJG/+i30CNsHutq2fdKn2gFsbXCSwt0suZlHVTdgYc= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=pacbell.net; s=s1024; t=1308151247; bh=cZroiZqLwQZSUCukzmQ7di5OieqnbE8TgGrr2PWtvwg=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=hUCCZjEK+ZzndY7NtaUvmWj/d60CUtQzibJnCyVLq0ELrCOlqH6JcFFoT+UeeBl3b4xEgcKCAd4P0nJlmnDFUJuGbS/6V/3SKuwPDoNryV4JQGULoERdBMLwQ8SeIUO0gZ4ZCzff6F4A0mpkfUqPue45Q2HZyMAM2R1U0Vr/7zo= Received: from [192.168.10.55] (viperbbs@24.182.50.4 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2011 08:20:46 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: ksKAl1CswBAaS.HpDPHuxJnEaqQLWDftwtf3Vi6es9QR X-YMail-OSG: .4ct6akVM1l4LZPauLWNJhIeuixvuhV2p1IOs7.aLI4Cakt usv4ZdGbEmVNpef7nWA1zFiPlmsJQbYy7bGG8Tl9QWK76ZdddvXNb45c6hWu lpr7tcVp_77RGAnYPwLzFT4topKNnRS_Pv0ZzthKLHrGDQ62Vlv3dRFCyV9w uLWySRaIJAePin0KWmfUcSlc9W7jclwMc03oXxaN1cSwJoDNM66yuEmv1Uhz 3ypPCeiqfiZMl4ddMKKz.Y67yKmMIPbGX_5_yq5MJkx8mdfTolknXbgmL1TL GeCzoMo1nFkNFZEx1nV4IB5eEeMA4JzP8QsWMW6JfFJoUeVwXNrZjF59C7wh Qn9uVa_nXqZV_LxYqd734bCsKr1shuPDwzCdPCiMGMRa1RMI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4DF8CDB3.2030604@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:20:19 -0700 From: spidey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:20 +0000 Cc: Subject: Re: versions of software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:33:26 -0000 Good morning. I have never used Freebsd. For that matter, I have not used Linux since the early 1990s (1993 to be exact) Anyway... BTW - I have your logo on my xwindows on the Linux box I am trying to setup. I think it's great. I have a need to use sendmail and DNS bind. Can someone tell me which versions of sendmail and DNS Bind are in the current Ubuntu 10?? In your opinion, are they going to be hard to install. I was going to use (Linux) Redhat but, could not figure out where the files were not to mention, I see there are some security issues with the version I have and updating looks like it would be hard as trying to pull teeth from Godzilla when he's got tooth ache and motheras flying around his head while smacking him in the head with a wing. In other words...... on a bad day it looks hard. That being said, I have a Dell 2650 dual 3200s, with 6 gig of memory and 36gig hard drive space. I only need it for a test and was wondering how this would work under Freebsd. If someone could let me know, I would really appreciate it. Thanks much for your time Andre From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 17:00:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A38106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:00:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hakmi@rogers.com) Received: from nm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 826D08FC0C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:00:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.199] by nm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 16:47:00 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.118] by tm10.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 16:47:00 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 16:47:00 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 120336.98881.bm@omp1023.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 77276 invoked from network); 15 Jun 2011 16:46:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=5xQ+8IUod8qFR6Wh2XnTzoz6zlK0cS0OLj9ax04sxyamRi4qERupq+ozUj6Tac7aICO07FQHl4H1tMkU8tDWKbwv1oYQnW4OmkIXC+/5P+5erYJPZ3vJiPZN0rtqEKAAcIw8pUaWf6b8AeyA/GSCUF2eMM7sR1WoVaSVXA8tKE8= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1308156418; bh=8D7CyyjG73NM3zS7nfXupIGwc1+8nz/6phU3tjkUxw8=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:thread-index:X-MimeOLE; b=HRKWzQ1WeMe+SBg/+ukbfuVyS6nf7eS9ZVeRMW/eIgUUpxmGmaE1P+vGOU8qCgpI9BWKYd0VMjQG8Me9OixFK3WQtnRbCNlIp0ikRF+oLIY76Ke0E15Hp7z6JZYsUegm0kybLBOG90vPVXRFTDAEGfPi5SYsRlMpd+Iyu3LQDqg= Received: from tamouh (hakmi@173.35.95.72 with login) by smtp101.rog.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Jun 2011 09:46:58 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40t10c2swBB3GykkiF732EfHrFO5XUv15cKJyoo- X-YMail-OSG: AVa20VgVM1mjFlxX5IuK7T.SQjIYOjwQjB6UQDM_GA.qm4X pVw8LG9fm0EZuMXgSPC9QFyv4UbrP_0x_PrX6mleb4BJsBZqYeI30jA_or9v ph.XqOPWl9MNFYMXKbxauLXAAWvCQdIlriXNsIkIDzcmeU8RGDRnjlVGhFih O7_JZLQ1AjkUrp2TV.q0nOm9lH1lvC8NsaNp.U7QddqoRJjrhaJUdeX_0WRK JMiqyZ37_1iNrVD2ymY8VJc9l_L8a3ITfGxpDtcmRx1Uw1I27v4xtheys5Ab MaG0D4GpimCcDhBdb2zA28FEsdEH_6xFEIDDF6vfvdU2biKbLDxX9egpxY5T 9QjpA_vUDDHEbHcaR4GtISWYDUsfq.Mc.FssAKxk- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "T. Hakmi" To: "'Jack L. Stone'" , References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:48:08 -0400 Message-ID: <14C8B09654E041DE8EC6A348CC0C9A4F@tamouh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> thread-index: AcwrZSNAN93QkQFLSQqIyvho/vEj1wAFrqcQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 Cc: Subject: RE: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:00:59 -0000 =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=20 > [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org] On Behalf Of=20 > Jack L. Stone > Sent: June 15, 2011 10:04 AM > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Another PHP5 problem >=20 > I just finished some major upgrades/updates to a server, including > php5-5.3.6 and apache2. >=20 > Now I keep getting Segmentation faults and core dumps=20 > whenever apache2 rolls over its logs and does a restart.=20 > Here's the error. Does nyone have an idea of what's happening=20 > to cause this?: >=20 > PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 4 2011=20 > 18:04:14) Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group Zend Engine=20 > v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies > with the ionCube PHP Loader v3.3.16, Copyright (c)=20 > 2002-2010, by ionCube Ltd. > Segmentation fault (core dumped) >=20 > Thanks for any hints.... >=20 > Jack I would recommend that you recompile php/apache with the minimal = necessary options. I've seen many issues in the past when combining = multiple modules/extensions together. T. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 17:03:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF5B81065673 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout022.mac.com (asmtpout022.mac.com [17.148.16.97]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E388FC1A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:03:58 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp022.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMU0021ZCQDQR90@asmtp022.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-15_08:2011-06-15, 2011-06-15, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106150123 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <4DF8CDB3.2030604@pacbell.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:03:49 -0700 Message-id: <5DD9D126-C986-4927-A1AE-DCA4321F7524@mac.com> References: <4DF8CDB3.2030604@pacbell.net> To: spidey X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: versions of software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:03:58 -0000 On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:20 AM, spidey wrote: > Can someone tell me which versions of sendmail and DNS Bind are in the current Ubuntu 10?? Sure, but you're asking on the wrong mailing list: FreeBSD isn't Ubuntu. [ Reply-to: set appropriately. ] Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 17:47:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1352F106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:47:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham_breitbach@ssimicro.com) Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C6C8FC1A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:47:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markhams-macbook-pro-113.local (markham.ssimicro.com [64.247.130.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5FHa9xS070990 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:36:09 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.1 at mail.ssimicro.com Message-ID: <4DF8ED8E.6010809@ssimicro.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:36:14 -0600 From: markham breitbach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 8.1 broken inter-jail IP communication X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:47:58 -0000 Good Day, I am encountering an occassional problem under FreeBSD 8.1 where two jails on the same server cannot reach each other after a reboot. The Jails are running a mail server and ldap server, respectively and each has it's own IP address. The problem manifests itself after a reboot of the server. After both jails have started the mail server is unable to communicate with the ldap server. From inside the jail, a host unreachable is returned when trying to connect to the ldap server. I have tried clearing the arp-cache and route-cache from the host and restarting both jails, but the problem persists. The arp table from the host server (outside the jail) shows an "(incomplete)" entry for the mail server when this is happening. I was able to ping the mail IP address from the host server and the incomplete entry disappeared and, as expected, there was no longer an arp entry for the mail server and communications between the two jails was restored. Unfortunately I have had difficulty recreating this scenario in a test environment and it only pops up occasionally in the field. And while this workaround is suitable, it is a bit of a PITA and I would like to know if this problem can be resolved. So, I am wondering if anyone has some insights into what might be at the root of this problem and what might be useful data to collect when this problem is happening to help pin down the source of it. Unfortunately, when service fails, I don't have a lot of time to poke around at things as I need to do whatever I can to get it back up a quickly as possible, although I am continuing to try and recreate this scenario in a test environment. Best Regards, Markham Breitbach From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 18:40:14 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED9A106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:40:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0CC48FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:40:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5FIeDk8024268; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:40:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:40:15 -0500 To: Matthew Seaman , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <4DF8C2A4.9050601@infracaninophile.co.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:40:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:40:14 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:40:15 -0000 At 03:33 PM 6/15/2011 +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >On 15/06/2011 15:04, Jack L. Stone wrote: >> PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 4 2011 18:04:14) >> Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group >> Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies >> with the ionCube PHP Loader v3.3.16, Copyright (c) 2002-2010, by >> ionCube Ltd. >> Segmentation fault (core dumped) > >Check the mailing list archives for very many discussions on the effect >of having the extensions listed in ${PREFIX}/etc/php/extensions.ini >in the wrong order. > > Cheers, > > Matthew Matthew: Thanks for that suggestion but couldn't find the numerous discussions about the wrong order of extensions. Using google I did find one post and a list that poster used. I tried following his list with the sames ones I had plus some 6-7 he didn't have. Still get the core dump. Can you suggest the key word to search in the list archives. I used "php5 extensions" and "php5 core dump" which brought up some discussions which didn't include the order discussions though. I cannot do without ioncube as another post mentioned. Thanks to all and any other ideas. Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 18:50:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38DFB106567A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:50:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@feld.me) Received: from mwi1.coffeenet.org (unknown [IPv6:2607:f4e0:100:300::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10D18FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:50:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=feld.me; s=blargle; h=In-Reply-To:Message-Id:From:Mime-Version:Date:References:Subject:To:Content-Type; bh=AwKhCA8EY5VPu4P3ns0BI1gbLVYTMFcdLY3VwtQvTAU=; b=r1viOlbvFikObYMMVjgWs+F2pjh6fjPaHYAoxU03a1WqeUBZ1p59Cx0/lAIHVfqia4Q5IHFiyYFn/Lny4nqgydL9NCtoCiOPKmuFyjG/IhXshMyDLbyqxKYfQQZQq0ND; Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mwi1.coffeenet.org) by mwi1.coffeenet.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1QWvBk-000Kbv-CT for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:51:40 -0500 Received: from feld@feld.me by mwi1.coffeenet.org (Archiveopteryx 3.1.3) with esmtpsa id 1308163894-46877-46875/6/4; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:51:34 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:50:01 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Mark Felder Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com> User-Agent: Opera Mail/11.11 (FreeBSD) Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:50:10 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:40:15 -0500, Jack L. Stone wrote: > I cannot do without ioncube as another post mentioned. I understand your need for ioncube, but replicate the problem to another non-production system and remove ioncube to see whether or not it is the cause. This is something we had to do and ultimately we told the only customer using ioncube they couldn't use it on our infrastructure anymore because it was a proprietary extension that causes issues. Again, before digging too deeply I strongly urge you repeat the test with ioncube extension disabled so you can rule that out immediately or else you'll be running around in circles for ages trying to figure out what the "cause" is. It's unfortunate that people think they need to obfuscate their code and use these silly workarounds. Regards, Mark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 19:46:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7136C1065672 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:46:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328EC8FC18 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:46:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5FJkT2R026203; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615144631.01959568@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:31 -0500 To: Mark Felder , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:46:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:46:32 -0000 At 01:50 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Mark Felder wrote: >On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:40:15 -0500, Jack L. Stone > wrote: > >> I cannot do without ioncube as another post mentioned. > >I understand your need for ioncube, but replicate the problem to another >non-production system and remove ioncube to see whether or not it is the >cause. This is something we had to do and ultimately we told the only >customer using ioncube they couldn't use it on our infrastructure anymore >because it was a proprietary extension that causes issues. Again, before >digging too deeply I strongly urge you repeat the test with ioncube >extension disabled so you can rule that out immediately or else you'll be >running around in circles for ages trying to figure out what the "cause" >is. > > >It's unfortunate that people think they need to obfuscate their code and >use these silly workarounds. > > >Regards, > > >Mark >> I cannot do without ioncube as another post mentioned. > >I understand your need for ioncube, but replicate the problem to another >non-production system and remove ioncube to see whether or not it is the >cause. This is something we had to do and ultimately we told the only >customer using ioncube they couldn't use it on our infrastructure anymore >because it was a proprietary extension that causes issues. Again, before >digging too deeply I strongly urge you repeat the test with ioncube >extension disabled so you can rule that out immediately or else you'll be >running around in circles for ages trying to figure out what the "cause" >is. > > >It's unfortunate that people think they need to obfuscate their code and >use these silly workarounds. > > >Regards, > > >Mark Mark: Thanks for the suggestion. I tried a disable of the ioncube and still get the php seg fault/core dump. This one is maddening... Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 19:49:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAA41065677 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:49:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F10DE8FC14 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:49:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5FJnCN4066312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:49:12 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5FJnCN4066312 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308167352; bh=+RL3BY0EtHw4gcpCIgkKZ3wQHBKiTupvYljSZsuTN60=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DF90CAF.80609@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20Wed ,=2015=20Jun=202011=2020:49:03=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman=20 |User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(Mac intosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20rv: 1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=201. 0|To:=20"Jack=20L.=20Stone"=20|CC:=20free bsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20Another=20PHP5=20proble m|References:=20<3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.co m>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1 .32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<3.0 .1.32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com>|X-Enigmail-Versio n:=201.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/sign ed=3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-s ignature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig624365BD45456EBFD B11117A"; b=ysWL61DHsbcQAMDdFgbvUulgbhMUI3LcS5kcTsiHovjHqp4/BFYEvgUxjjqzOZocN AA7oBhtEXvAB5ZJOiVPJ8jeBbaujwhDwGQwcV2MxLHyQMZmZ9xLvA8xD+MsKYZlds5 kfGztYCdSomHsx4RCA2p+R+VOMJ4TDRL9bVQzdEA= Message-ID: <4DF90CAF.80609@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:49:03 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Jack L. Stone" References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615134015.01959568@sage-american.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig624365BD45456EBFDB11117A" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:49:16 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig624365BD45456EBFDB11117A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/06/2011 19:40, Jack L. Stone wrote: > Thanks for that suggestion but couldn't find the numerous discussions a= bout > the wrong order of extensions. Using google I did find one post and a l= ist > that poster used. I tried following his list with the sames ones I had = plus > some 6-7 he didn't have. Still get the core dump. Google for 'FreeBSD extensions.ini' Plenty of results there. However, to cut a long story short, some extensions needed to be loaded after certain other ones. The best way to work out a good load order is simply by trial and error -- most ordering permutations will actually work fine, with relatively few blowing up. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig624365BD45456EBFDB11117A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk35DLgACgkQ8Mjk52CukIyOYACff/M7O4J2YFwsIYTtvN9w7tju f0QAn0wyvb6IHMl6OqSKN7b/HnwudIRy =9vkp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig624365BD45456EBFDB11117A-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 19:50:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B16A106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:50:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FB7C8FC15 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:50:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E034267B602; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:54:44 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mJ6Hpob6Gzbq; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:54:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.46.76] (173-160-104-249-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.160.104.249]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0DC6267B603; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:54:31 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:50:30 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> To: Jack L. Stone X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:50:45 -0000 So I've seen that you haven't had a lot of success with this... can you = post your extensions.ini file contents? -- Ryan On Jun 15, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > I just finished some major upgrades/updates to a server, including > php5-5.3.6 and apache2. >=20 > Now I keep getting Segmentation faults and core dumps whenever apache2 > rolls over its logs and does a restart. Here's the error. Does nyone = have > an idea of what's happening to cause this?: >=20 > PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 4 2011 18:04:14)=20 > Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group > Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies > with the ionCube PHP Loader v3.3.16, Copyright (c) 2002-2010, by > ionCube Ltd. > Segmentation fault (core dumped) >=20 > Thanks for any hints.... >=20 > Jack >=20 > (^_^) > Happy trails, > Jack L. Stone >=20 > System Admin > Sage-american > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 19:50:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A18D106567E for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:50:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: from ethic.thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 130F08FC16 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ethic.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5FJoZIM001234 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:50:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline@ethic.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by ethic.thought.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5FJoYnx001233 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:50:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 12:50:30 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.9 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ethic.thought.org Cc: Subject: how do i fsck my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:50:54 -0000 can anybody clue me in on why fsck on my server [yes, of course as root] seem to refuse to WRITE? we had a power out locally and i caught my UPS at the last second. i powered off my server to save the battery, etc, and a few minutes ago when i ran # fsck -y /var there were unresolved inconsistancies that fsck was not allowed to resolve. i tried to boot single use but the server (Dell 530) panicked. so finally, after deliberately crashing the box three times, fsck_ufs ran. i was able to ping outside. is there any way of scripting fsck *every* time i reboot this box? i just want to make abs certain that the filesystems are clean. ---didn't fscking used to be easier? tia, gary -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix The 7.98a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org/index.php http://journey.thought.org ethic From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 19:57:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0AF106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:57:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36C58FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5FJvsgm038064; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:57:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4DF90ED6.5090302@sentex.net> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:58:14 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:57:57 -0000 On 6/15/2011 3:50 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > > is there any way of scripting fsck *every* time i reboot this box? i just > want to make abs certain that the filesystems are clean. ---didn't fscking > used to be easier? Just override the defaults in /etc/rc.conf fsck_y_enable="YES" and if you are paranoid, background_fsck="NO" 0(cage)# grep -i fsck /etc/defaults/rc.conf fsck_y_enable="NO" # Set to YES to do fsck -y if the initial preen fails. fsck_y_flags="" # Additional flags for fsck -y background_fsck="YES" # Attempt to run fsck in the background where possible. background_fsck_delay="60" # Time to wait (seconds) before starting the fsck. 0(cage)# ---Mike -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 20:04:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DF401065675 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:04:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout019.mac.com (asmtpout019.mac.com [17.148.16.94]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E158FC13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:04:45 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp019.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMU00J30L3BP140@asmtp019.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-15_08:2011-06-15, 2011-06-15, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106150169 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:04:23 -0700 Message-id: References: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> To: Gary Kline X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:04:45 -0000 On Jun 15, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Gary Kline wrote: > can anybody clue me in on why fsck on my server [yes, of course as root] > seem to refuse to WRITE? Bad sectors on the hard drive are a somewhat common cause of this. > we had a power out locally and i caught my UPS at > the last second. i powered off my server to save the battery, etc, and > a few minutes ago when i ran > > # fsck -y /var > > there were unresolved inconsistancies that fsck was not allowed to resolve. Was /var mounted already? You shouldn't be running fsck on a live filesystem; boot single user or from a FreeBSD CD, and run fsck that way. > i tried to boot single use but the server (Dell 530) panicked. so finally, > after deliberately crashing the box three times, fsck_ufs ran. i was able to > ping outside. > > is there any way of scripting fsck *every* time i reboot this box? i just > want to make abs certain that the filesystems are clean. ---didn't fscking > used to be easier? You can set fsck_y_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, but it shouldn't be necessary. The system can figure out for itself whether it shutdown cleanly or whether a fsck is necessary. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 20:06:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39FB106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:06:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2C78FC19 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5FK6H7l026825; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:06:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:06:19 -0500 To: Ryan Coleman From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:06:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:06:18 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:06:20 -0000 At 02:50 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >So I've seen that you haven't had a lot of success with this... can you post your extensions.ini file contents? > >-- >Ryan > Here are my extensions after doing some shuffling according to ideas on google: extension=session.so extension=simplexml.so extension=ctype.so extension=apc.so extension=ftp.so extension=mbstring.so extension=tokenizer.so extension=filter.so extension=mcrypt.so extension=xmlwriter.so extension=gd.so extension=iconv.so extension=zlib.so extension=curl.so extension=bz2.so extension=pdf.so extension=openssl.so extension=dom.so extension=hash.so extension=xmlreader.so extension=sqlite.so extension=pdo.so extension=mysql.so extension=sockets.so extension=xml.so extension=sqlite3.so extension=json.so extension=zip.so extension=posix.so extension=snmp.so Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 20:21:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F301065673 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:21:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9038FC16 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:21:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68516267B60E; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:25:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8sHJjYyMcybk; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:25:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.46.76] (173-160-104-249-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.160.104.249]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8144D267B60B; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:25:05 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:21:03 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <91DA6578-234D-46E2-82AF-86B1BCB47F7F@d3photography.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> To: Jack L. Stone X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:21:19 -0000 And these were all built from the ports, yes? On Jun 15, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > At 02:50 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> So I've seen that you haven't had a lot of success with this... can = you post your extensions.ini file contents? >>=20 >> -- >> Ryan >>=20 > Here are my extensions after doing some shuffling according to ideas = on > google: >=20 > extension=3Dsession.so > extension=3Dsimplexml.so > extension=3Dctype.so > extension=3Dapc.so > extension=3Dftp.so > extension=3Dmbstring.so > extension=3Dtokenizer.so > extension=3Dfilter.so > extension=3Dmcrypt.so > extension=3Dxmlwriter.so > extension=3Dgd.so > extension=3Diconv.so > extension=3Dzlib.so > extension=3Dcurl.so > extension=3Dbz2.so > extension=3Dpdf.so > extension=3Dopenssl.so > extension=3Ddom.so > extension=3Dhash.so > extension=3Dxmlreader.so > extension=3Dsqlite.so > extension=3Dpdo.so > extension=3Dmysql.so > extension=3Dsockets.so > extension=3Dxml.so > extension=3Dsqlite3.so > extension=3Djson.so > extension=3Dzip.so > extension=3Dposix.so > extension=3Dsnmp.so >=20 > Jack >=20 > (^_^) > Happy trails, > Jack L. Stone >=20 > System Admin > Sage-american > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 20:54:36 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193D3106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:54:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tlh@danskdatacenter.dk) Received: from mailgw9.surf-town.net (mail7.surf-town.net [212.97.132.47]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73278FC19 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mailgw9.surf-town.net (Postfix, from userid 65534) id BF4A39B71F; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:35:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw9.surf-town.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD739B4B8 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:35:14 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mailgw9.surf-town.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.44 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.44 tagged_above=-999 required=7 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1.44] autolearn=disabled Received: from mailgw9.surf-town.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mailgw9.surf-town.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id BXEK0GnMgtJn for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:35:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.176] (cpe.ge-1-3-0-179.mdnqu1.customer.tele.dk [80.198.90.186]) by mailgw9.surf-town.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6E6989B6D8 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:35:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:34:23 +0200 From: Thomas Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:54:36 -0000 one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and .... and that unix is free Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 20:59:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A37106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:59:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1A7F8FC08 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:59:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5FKx8sx028350; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:59:09 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:59:10 -0500 To: Ryan Coleman From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <91DA6578-234D-46E2-82AF-86B1BCB47F7F@d3photography.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:59:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:59:09 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:59:12 -0000 At 03:21 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >And these were all built from the ports, yes? > Yes, all built from ports. (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 21:04:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9879106566C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F5F8FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9E14267B616 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:08:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uSirFgjfTeiQ for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:08:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.46.76] (173-160-104-249-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.160.104.249]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27881267B615 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:08:14 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:04:13 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:04:27 -0000 My solution for these issues is usually pretty easy: Disable all extensions (with a ; before the line) and then re-enable = batches until it dies on you and then go through line-by-line to see = which one did it. Should take about 5 minutes, tops, to run through the entire list. On Jun 15, 2011, at 3:59 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > At 03:21 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> And these were all built from the ports, yes? >>=20 >=20 > Yes, all built from ports. >=20 > (^_^) > Happy trails, > Jack L. Stone >=20 > System Admin > Sage-american > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 21:08:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A03106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7928FC12 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so970844vws.13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.76.170 with SMTP id l10mr144114vdw.77.1308172116250; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (ool-435056c7.dyn.optonline.net [67.80.86.199]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c9sm338123vdv.4.2011.06.15.14.08.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:08:31 -0400 From: Chris Brennan To: Thomas Hansen Message-ID: <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:08:37 -0000 * Thomas Hansen [2011-06-15 22:34:23 +0200]: > one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running > like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and .... and that unix is free > > > Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs. To read more on freebsd, you can go to http://www.freebsd.org as well as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeBSD, that should give you sufficient information to move further. You might want to at least go read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_OpenServer to figure out where SCO UNIT stands which is not AT&T/Bell Labs UNIX nor is it FreeBSD. -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 21:14:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57024106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:14:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp6.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3fd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47538FC13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from seedling.black-earth.co.uk (seedling.black-earth.co.uk [81.187.76.163]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id p5FLE1Pv067488 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:14:01 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk p5FLE1Pv067488 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infracaninophile.co.uk; s=201001-infracaninophile; t=1308172441; bh=a/qJXGjxS8I/um8U/Y1aK7dVS2I84I4Pcab1avJYzi4=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Cc:Content-Type:Date:From:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Mime-Version:References:To; z=Message-ID:=20<4DF92090.3020805@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20W ed,=2015=20Jun=202011=2022:13:52=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20free=20sc o=20unix|References:=20<4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk>|In-Repl y-To:=20<4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk>|X-Enigmail-Version:=20 1.1.1|OpenPGP:=20id=3D60AE908C|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed=3B =20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-signat ure"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig15736ED7BA866A6DB40DA5 A7"; b=MMh6BsvgB6VzyZfLNOFuSCh27TVNsspCBvMbdghYMaZbXLR/3Ttrc3pSv1owqKgbx Gtr++jj3rugPoyCB+ZBjTmZMiOyWwSiMm42Wj5fF+u5I+4AULQB9ZIpzqPx3ENjWvh mXGOx4Re7EAubOnjez+pvPMYAbKovw1iiIGkIkUw= Message-ID: <4DF92090.3020805@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:13:52 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> In-Reply-To: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 OpenPGP: id=60AE908C Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig15736ED7BA866A6DB40DA5A7" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:14:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig15736ED7BA866A6DB40DA5A7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 15/06/2011 21:34, Thomas Hansen wrote: > one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running > like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and .... and that unix is free Some Unix is free (the best sorts), others are most certainly not free at all. FreeBSD is pretty much the opposite end of the Unix spectrum to UnixWare / SCO -- so, yes there is plenty in common like the flat namespace, the concept of 'everything is a stream of bytes', many of the standard applications. Many things are completely different -- ps(1) and df(1) for example are quite different between pure-bred *BSD (like FreeBSD) and pedigree SysV (like SCO). Aside: Linux is not unix (the clue is in the name) -- except by the duck test. It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... but it's a whole different breed of waterfowl entirely, and has origins independent of the primordial Unix systems. Even so, it does provide a pretty complete emulation of a fairly middle of the road BSD--SysV hybrid. > Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware No. Absolutely not. Way back in the 1980's there were some common ancestral systems from which each has inherited bits of code[*], but development has been quite separate for the last 30 years or so. Cheers, Matthew [*] Well, there has always been some cross fertilization, even after the development tracks split apart. Lookup the history of the AT&T vs. Regents of the University of California lawsuit and how that all came to an end. --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig15736ED7BA866A6DB40DA5A7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.16 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk35IJkACgkQ8Mjk52CukIwFWQCdH9Uonn/d1Rjcrb5DTf+mpren XUwAoItf7Ajd4zyRB0RqpEa+PwzQj2qo =zkkG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig15736ED7BA866A6DB40DA5A7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 21:51:58 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE74106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:51:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971A88FC15 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:51:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5FLptTR029630; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615165157.019581f8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:57 -0500 To: Ryan Coleman , FreeBSD Mailing List From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:56 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:51:56 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:51:58 -0000 At 04:04 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >My solution for these issues is usually pretty easy: >Disable all extensions (with a ; before the line) and then re-enable batches until it dies on you and then go through line-by-line to see which one did it. > >Should take about 5 minutes, tops, to run through the entire list. > Sounds like a reasonable approach. Thanks, (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 22:25:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B91F106566B for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:25:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from btillman99@yahoo.com) Received: from nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm26-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.242]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C26758FC16 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.52.194] by nm26.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 22:25:34 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.132] by tm7.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 22:25:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Jun 2011 22:25:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 54387.23083.bm@omp1015.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 41910 invoked by uid 60001); 15 Jun 2011 22:25:33 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1308176733; bh=Hy/CLhRnJUInuGn5JB6S8WhNebIT2NczUZduNfhehjw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=elm9U5FZn1kZikwGY61CH98hs1f1mDZ96CgwGqAKa0Oveyn0wLdiqLezsKLLxNBf17bnvCNAVKl3geNXXTmsQyuEuVU0bxUzpDYOxCceIDrdRfCGF2A4CYl9gccihH2a2iust7DZrrbFBYfly/iRs2CvpEa+EOK9eOd+4R/W75w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WpCOQAnf9bkLDpRsQJhL/vYMJt8mVgujloItLP4gVtXfb2cYe8YDpHi78C1meCHPeZOzfpJ8b4RfygkMqtC/C13UYxhkK20S+pl1HO8Xy0g25Ne4zeLQcDo5t9nQv5zVJ0Sd1isgJhXsuibyzHTplFZRv4+h20pNPQxWPS1xrlg=; Message-ID: <273612.22162.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: TdU6xUQVM1kSXAwLwS4RzD9RZTxxbL8pogvPsaLcXyQFj1S klCji7wdsR64UvGrzBE3ZsNim2JgxnmNiPNy7k08vhtloh1Ktb1Mj5mGbdAh zIsmpLcoOsOmyS8rhlHh7OPHw3pbSCyxGeghpac3XYy.T9XrDw1zeCdl4o88 73cufFLL2Qz9LSu4N7s2fEry7mVCIeMFIWp69foN9mccGyiUYvfyIDGiA_9n H2WvE0nZyvBpQhf7dU0TAbiftoMPfgvafKhJPuVLipp3xFaSI1L_MB1qvNM_ DCFpv6AIdaBAc_isDn_WUL1mckh_kEBRYQNY6wp_71HuERexS13k4sasbPew emDw_.ajRIyAPGza2YKBQYeG8bGRW9tMcY1R_aFtmz4DYfF.JI_k.Ghw- Received: from [76.108.201.66] by web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:25:33 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/570 YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.304355 References: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:25:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Tillman To: Chuck Swiger , Gary Kline In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:25:35 -0000 =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Chuck Swiger =0ATo: Gary Kline =0ACc: FreeBSD Mailing List= =0ASent: Wed, June 15, 2011 4:04:23 PM=0ASu= bject: Re: how do i fsck my server?=0A=0AOn Jun 15, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Gary= Kline wrote:=0A> can anybody clue me in on why fsck on my server [yes, of = course as root]=0A> seem to refuse to WRITE?=0A=0ABad sectors on the hard d= rive are a somewhat common cause of this.=0A=0A>=A0 we had a power out loca= lly and i caught my UPS at=0A> the last second.=A0 i powered off my server = to save the battery, etc, and =0A> a few minutes ago when i ran =0A> =0A> #= fsck -y /var=0A> =0A> there were unresolved inconsistancies that fsck was = not allowed to resolve.=0A=0AWas /var mounted already?=A0 You shouldn't be = running fsck on a live filesystem; =0Aboot single user or from a FreeBSD CD= , and run fsck that way.=0A=0A> i tried to boot single use but the server (= Dell 530) panicked.=A0 so finally,=0A> after deliberately crashing the box = three times, fsck_ufs ran.=A0 i was able to=0A> ping outside.=A0 =0A> =0A> = is there any way of scripting fsck *every* time i reboot this box?=A0 i jus= t=0A> want to make abs certain that the filesystems are clean.=A0 ---didn't= fscking=0A> used to be easier?=0A=0AYou can set fsck_y_enable=3D"YES" in /= etc/rc.conf, but it shouldn't be necessary.=A0 =0AThe system can figure out= for itself whether it shutdown cleanly or whether a =0Afsck is necessary.= =0A=0ARegards,=0A-- =0A-Chuck=0A=0A________________________________________= _______=0Afreebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd= .org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0A=0A=0AI hate to be a pain her= e but this answer completely misses something very =0Aimportant about a reb= oot after a crash with FreeBSD. =0A=0A=0A"The system can figure out for its= elf whether it shutdown cleanly or whether =0Afsck is necessary."=0A=0AWith= no disrespect meant, this is like telling someone that in case of a fire = =0Ait's not a good idea to use the elevators. The correct reply to this IMH= O should =0Ahave been "HELL YES, your server will check for a clean exit on= every reboot. It =0Awill count to 60 seconds and then if the last shutdown= was not clean it will =0Astart running fsck all by itself and this will ti= e up your system's resources =0Afor quite a while depending on the size of = your hard drive(s). And this time can =0Abe quite lengthy. I have two 750 G= B hard drives in my server and it crashed a =0Acouple of times in the recen= t past. It made running almost anything on it slow =0Aas can be while the f= sck process run automatically cleaned up the mess. And it =0Atakes the bett= er part of an hour for this process to complete. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 22:57:40 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C2D106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:57:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F06C08FC13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5FMvaxZ030790; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:57:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:57:38 -0500 To: Ryan Coleman , FreeBSD Mailing List From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:57:37 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:57:37 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 22:57:40 -0000 At 04:04 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >My solution for these issues is usually pretty easy: >Disable all extensions (with a ; before the line) and then re-enable batches until it dies on you and then go through line-by-line to see which one did it. > >Should take about 5 minutes, tops, to run through the entire list. > > Was wondering if it appeared an extension might be missing that would be expected? Have quite a few php scripts. What about the gettext one? I went with the defaults plus a couple I knew was needed like mysql and FTP. Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 15 23:36:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5DE106564A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904928FC0A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:36:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1863E267B636; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:40:06 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Pqby3d8qK6D; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:39:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 62B28267B635; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:39:53 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:35:52 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <233F0997-C03D-4C0D-9435-2975B932C31E@d3photography.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> To: Jack L. Stone X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:36:06 -0000 That wouldn't likely cause a segfault, but you could use your apache = logs to see if there's something in the last file before the segfault = occurs... but that could be a wild goose chase. On Jun 15, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > At 04:04 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> My solution for these issues is usually pretty easy: >> Disable all extensions (with a ; before the line) and then re-enable > batches until it dies on you and then go through line-by-line to see = which > one did it. >>=20 >> Should take about 5 minutes, tops, to run through the entire list. >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > Was wondering if it appeared an extension might be missing that would = be > expected? Have quite a few php scripts. What about the gettext one? I = went > with the defaults plus a couple I knew was needed like mysql and FTP. >=20 > Jack >=20 > (^_^) > Happy trails, > Jack L. Stone >=20 > System Admin > Sage-american > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 00:19:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C6CC106566C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:19:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294688FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:18:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5G0Iu4E034084; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:18:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:18:58 -0500 To: Ryan Coleman From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <233F0997-C03D-4C0D-9435-2975B932C31E@d3photography.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:18:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:18:57 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:19:00 -0000 At 06:35 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >That wouldn't likely cause a segfault, but you could use your apache logs to see if there's something in the last file before the segfault occurs... but that could be a wild goose chase. > > >On Jun 15, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > >> At 04:04 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>> My solution for these issues is usually pretty easy: >>> Disable all extensions (with a ; before the line) and then re-enable >> batches until it dies on you and then go through line-by-line to see which >> one did it. >>> >>> Should take about 5 minutes, tops, to run through the entire list. >>> Ryan: Found it! 2 extensions were the problem: # extension=sqlite3.so # extension=pdo_sqlite.so Don't even know why they got in there.... (except I checked the boxes in make config) Thanks for the great idea! Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 00:34:44 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3833A106566C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:34:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F5C8FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:34:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E5851E80362; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:34:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:34:42 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: <20110616003442.GA4870@thought.org> References: <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <4DF8C2A4.9050601@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DF8C2A4.9050601@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:34:44 -0000 On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 03:33:08PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:33:08 +0100 > From: Matthew Seaman > Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > On 15/06/2011 15:04, Jack L. Stone wrote: > > PHP 5.3.6 with Suhosin-Patch (cli) (built: Jun 4 2011 18:04:14) > > Copyright (c) 1997-2011 The PHP Group > > Zend Engine v2.3.0, Copyright (c) 1998-2011 Zend Technologies > > with the ionCube PHP Loader v3.3.16, Copyright (c) 2002-2010, by > > ionCube Ltd. > > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > Check the mailing list archives for very many discussions on the effect > of having the extensions listed in ${PREFIX}/etc/php/extensions.ini > in the wrong order. > > Cheers, > > Matthew > This (fixing the extensions.ini list) was what worked for me... ...after endless hunting around. gary > -- > Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard > Flat 3 > PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate > JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW > -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 01:08:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7537F106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:08:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from xaero@xaerolimit.net) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0661C8FC0A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so1392186bwz.13 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:08:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.179.76 with SMTP id bp12mr196640bkb.160.1308186532199; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:08:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.52.77 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 18:08:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110616010656.GC23541@gmail.com> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> <4DF92D0F.3030008@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110616010656.GC23541@gmail.com> From: Chris Brennan Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:08:32 -0400 Message-ID: To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Fwd: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:08:54 -0000 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris Brennan Date: Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:06 PM Subject: Re: free sco unix To: Thomas Hansen 'y' and 't' are too close in mutt :( * Thomas Hansen [2011-06-16 00:07:11 +0200]: This was off-list, redirecting back. > but does freeBSD and unixware use the same core/kernel 1) Don't top post. Bad form and not list policy. See signature for why. 2) No, The UNIX Core/Kernel is propritary, see my last e-mail 3) Obey Reply-to: headers. Adjust your headers to properly reply to the list and not individually. -- > A: Yes. > >Q: Are you sure? > >>A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. > >>>Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? > http://xkcd.com/84/ | http://xkcd.com/149/ > GPG: D5B20C0C (6741 8EE4 6C7D 11FB 8DA8 9E4A EECD 9A84 D5B2 0C0C) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 01:14:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5614106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:14:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E1DE8FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:14:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57644267B645 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:18:48 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NU+QhAh+KNBh for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:18:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (70-89-202-1-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C00E267B644 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:18:35 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:14:34 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:14:48 -0000 I have very few uses for sqlite3 but I still have them. And PDO? Never = seen anything run it. Just because it is on by default=20 1) doesn't mean it's good for you and 2) the port connected to it is functioning properly. On Jun 15, 2011, at 7:18 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > At 06:35 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >> That wouldn't likely cause a segfault, but you could use your apache = logs > to see if there's something in the last file before the segfault = occurs... > but that could be a wild goose chase. >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 15, 2011, at 5:57 PM, Jack L. Stone wrote: >>=20 >>> At 04:04 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >>>> My solution for these issues is usually pretty easy: >>>> Disable all extensions (with a ; before the line) and then = re-enable >>> batches until it dies on you and then go through line-by-line to see = which >>> one did it. >>>>=20 >>>> Should take about 5 minutes, tops, to run through the entire list. >>>>=20 >=20 > Ryan: >=20 > Found it! 2 extensions were the problem: > # extension=3Dsqlite3.so > # extension=3Dpdo_sqlite.so >=20 > Don't even know why they got in there.... (except I checked the boxes = in > make config) >=20 > Thanks for the great idea! >=20 > Jack >=20 > (^_^) > Happy trails, > Jack L. Stone >=20 > System Admin > Sage-american > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 01:29:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A72B1065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:29:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F05B8FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5G1TQFA033367; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:29:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110615202929.03cf1ee8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:29:29 -0500 To: Ryan Coleman , FreeBSD Mailing List From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:29:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:29:27 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 01:29:34 -0000 At 08:14 PM 6/15/2011 -0500, Ryan Coleman wrote: >I have very few uses for sqlite3 but I still have them. And PDO? Never seen anything run it. > >Just because it is on by default >1) doesn't mean it's good for you and >2) the port connected to it is functioning properly. > Wierd! Told extensions to build without: extension=sqlite3.so extension=sqlite.so extension=pdo_sqlite.so But, built them anyway. Ran make config and then also checked the options file and it showed the "WITHOUTS_" okay, but they were built anyway. Still have to comment out those sqlites. (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 06:28:10 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 264391065686 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:28:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kline@thought.org) Received: from thought.org (plato.thought.org [209.180.213.209]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD238FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:28:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by thought.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 0C000E80362; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:28:08 -0700 From: Gary Kline To: FreeBSD Mailing List Message-ID: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. Of_Interest: With 24++ years of service to the Unix community. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Subject: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:28:10 -0000 we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap. is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the members of this org would go for? tia, gary PS: I THink it may be a fuse--wild guess -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix Journey Toward the Dawn, E-Book: http://www.thought.org The 8.51a release of Jottings: http://jottings.thought.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 07:22:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2717B1065670 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:22:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19B78FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE321E024; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:22:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5G7Mf8w006787; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:22:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:22:41 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Gary Kline Message-Id: <20110616092241.43827d00.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> References: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:22:45 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:28:08 -0700, Gary Kline wrote: > is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the > members of this org would go for? Yes: Office printers, even used ones are fine. Pay attention that they have: - ethernet port - postscript - if not: PCL I'm using a HP Laserjet 4000 with duplex unit myself for many years now - HAPPILY, as I can honestly admit, and in the past, I've been using a HP Laserjet 4 attached to the parellel port. All those "old" printers work wonderfully using just system tools (lpr), as they speak PS, which is the default output format for printing from any UNIX application. If they don't speak PS or are slow processing it, use apsfilter from ports together with gs (Ghosescript) to make PCL from any input. You can do funny things like add "pretty printing" to any text input (e. g. LaTeX), or even issue "lpr picture.jpg" from the command line. Integration of the system tools to image processing or office software is no problem. Don't mess with USB and inkpee, it will cost you more in the final calculation. I also read that some of the brother printers are quite good, as well as Kyocera, but I don't have own experience with them, so I traditionally suggest getting a HP printer. Office printer. Used office printer. For cheap. Really. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 07:34:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3B4106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:34:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from svein-listmail@stillbilde.net) Received: from mail.stillbilde.net (d80.iso100.no [81.175.61.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A618FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:34:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [192.168.4.6]) (Authenticated sender: svein-listmail) by mail.stillbilde.net (Familien Skogens mail) with ESMTPSA id 4D58539853 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:17:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4DF9AE0C.5080009@stillbilde.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:17:32 +0200 From: "Svein Skogen (Listmail account)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC9ED75F07A5CE5AD5E9AAB16" Subject: Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:34:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC9ED75F07A5CE5AD5E9AAB16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16.06.2011 08:28, Gary Kline wrote: >=20 > we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of > my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working=20 > FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was > using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap. >=20 > is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the > members of this org would go for? I'm very happy with my Xerox Phaser 6180 (color), but I've also used the Phaser 3250. Both handle postscript + lpr just fine (and most other standards), and priced affordable. //Svein --=20 --------+-------------------+------------------------------- /"\ |Svein Skogen | svein@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg =D8stli 9 | PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X |2020 Skedsmokorset | svein@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | svein@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listmail@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +-------------------+------------------------------- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |svein@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle: SS16503-RIPE --------+-------------------+------------------------------- A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? ------------------------------------------------------------ Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------enigC9ED75F07A5CE5AD5E9AAB16 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk35rhEACgkQODUnwSLUlKQjIgCeKqwcSwqDGP/eHeiztn2z66kW 7DcAn0lk8QdD3+HnhSb0lQ9OVp5FAq0Y =+Miu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC9ED75F07A5CE5AD5E9AAB16-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 07:48:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E795106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:48:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rwmaillists@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3FF8FC19 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so125501wyb.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:48:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=bML4uaL+rk0w4a/CwbcuaQzEvt0tHqy8ktbBLrxajJQ=; b=evUou1Hb8nyzwvwAuUkqRws0uMoVbHOErFHjecmieivC1HJLflCC5beGkBQHBShsSm fo1xZomKDx2ifl7IVdaeXMd0t7dcDxtk/UzCcq1wh/wlfVAOFuHqrFDVThvEn/OrdfgF 6P9bBrE8m5qC7lOYbgg4zzfoUxVWWegaFK9PQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Wk1svqQmbK/i1xBqyrgNBR79zn1E2+l0mLoZaKLc8syPhjrtCKerOh4NHjVOpIBvOd 3eXTE5oBJlRCkfRV7ap5kAhO85SORgCFKEo0JLy+3XaLQorEqGKEluk0Xy8gjtnwp3zJ 886KHOr69ITVLMkKw2RkE04JAKY0l4yvUZAFU= Received: by 10.216.136.89 with SMTP id v67mr652425wei.13.1308210486911; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gumby.homeunix.com (87-194-105-247.bethere.co.uk [87.194.105.247]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z22sm671299weq.2.2011.06.16.00.48.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 00:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:48:03 +0100 From: RW To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616084803.19be6263@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <273612.22162.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20110615195027.GA1196@thought.org> <273612.22162.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:48:08 -0000 _____________________________ > From: Chuck Swiger > To: Gary Kline > Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List > Sent: Wed, June 15, 2011 4:04:23 PM > Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? > You can set fsck_y_enable="YES" in /etc/rc.conf, but it shouldn't be > necessary. The system can figure out for itself whether it shutdown > cleanly or whether a fsck is necessary. fsck_y_enable="YES" doesn't mean do an unconditional fsck, it means do an fsck -y if the preen fails. On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Bill Tillman wrote: > The correct reply to this IMHO should > have been "HELL YES, your server will check for a clean exit on every > reboot. It will count to 60 seconds and then if the last shutdown was > not clean it will start running fsck all by itself and this will tie > up your system's resources for quite a while You can avoid that with gjournal. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 09:30:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D0D106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:30:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Albert.Shih@obspm.fr) Received: from spock-ext.obspm.fr (spock-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511048FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:30:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from obspm.fr (pcjas.obspm.fr [145.238.184.233]) by spock-ext.obspm.fr (8.14.3/8.14.3/DIO Observatoire de Paris - 15/04/10) with ESMTP id p5G9JZt6030363 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:19:36 +0200 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:19:35 +0200 From: Albert Shih To: Thomas Hansen Message-ID: <20110616091935.GF31369@obspm.fr> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.3.4 (spock-ext.obspm.fr [145.238.186.20]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:19:36 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at spock-ext.obspm.fr X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:30:57 -0000 Le 15/06/2011 à 22:34:23+0200, Thomas Hansen a écrit > one of my mates teacher says that unix is free and your system running > like UnixWare / SCO UNIX and .... and that unix is free > > > Do your BSD kernel run the same unix kernel as unixware Take a look : http://www.levenez.com/unix/ Regards. JAS -- Albert SHIH DIO batiment 15 Observatoire de Paris Meudon 5 Place Jules Janssen 92195 Meudon Cedex Téléphone : 01 45 07 76 26/06 86 69 95 71 Heure local/Local time: jeu 16 jui 2011 11:19:21 CEST From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 09:33:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE18106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04AD28FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so1429189vws.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:33:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.179.136 with SMTP id bq8mr270451vcb.74.1308216785813; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.80.144 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 02:33:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.173.83] In-Reply-To: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> References: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:33:05 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Gary Kline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:33:08 -0000 On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 8:28 AM, Gary Kline wrote: > > we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of > my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. =A0i just got it working > FINALLY with our cups stuff. =A0don't asked me how; other than i was > using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap. > > is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? =A0i mean, that the > members of this org would go for? At home, I'm using an HP LaserJet 1320 over USB on FreeBSD with CUPS. I understand that the networked version would be even easier to install and use, but the 1320 was what I got, and it's okay for light non-commercial use. Of course, with native Postscript support (I've upgraded the RAM on the unit so that it prints very complex graphics faster, but that's not strictly necessary). BTW, I fully agree with Polytropon: those old HP LaserJet 4000s are absolutely GREAT, even if used. It's a shame that they don't make 'em anymore: they were simply too good and didn't comply with the current standard of crappiness, cheap plastics and badly engineered trays etc... so obviously, they had to go. :-( -cpghost. --=20 Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 11:24:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFDE1065687 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:24:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B856F8FC26 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBE218.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.226.24]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5GBOCoj000225 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:24:12 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5GBOHpY056096 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:24:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5GBOC4v081952 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:24:17 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106161124.p5GBOC4v081952@fire.js.berklix.net> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:04:23 PDT." Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:24:11 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Subject: Re: how do i fsck my server? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:24:15 -0000 Facts: 8.2-RELEASE man fsck -B ... background fsck is limited to checking for only the most commonly occurring file system abnormalities. Under certain circumstances, some errors can escape background fsck. It is recommended that you perform foreground fsck on your systems periodically and whenever you encounter file-system-related panics. /usr/src/sbin/fsck/ for specialist list discussion 8.2-RELEASE /usr/src/etc/defaults/rc.conf fsck_y_enable="NO" ; background_fsck="YES" My opinion: Some machines merit addition of /etc/rc.conf fsck_y_enable="YES" Machines where data is mastered elsewhere: (some http & ftp servers, routers, firewalls, name & boot & X servers, test boxes, laptops on day trips). Remote servers where a boot time interactive fsck "Shall I fix ?" , or failure to fix, could hang unreachably. ( If background_fsck="NO", more chance of interactive hang ) Some machines merit addition of /etc/rc.conf background_fsck="NO" For fuller fsck checking, examples: Machines with master copies of data. Laptops traveling for a week, where one can't return early to repair. One would avoid both fsck_y_enable="YES" & background_fsck="YES" if one has local access to console & wants (if necessary) to be able to break out of fsck & manually run fsdb. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Mail plain text: Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. 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How would one go about determining this value for the installed kernel? Robert Huff From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 12:28:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F1C106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bruce@cran.org.uk) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (muon.cran.org.uk [IPv6:2a01:348:0:15:5d59:5c40:0:1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BED878FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from muon.cran.org.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id A052FE63F2; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:28:36 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from :to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=mail; bh=ocTUQUsMScPO t58rRkaqhfM2pXQ=; b=IvpZsMF8lRQSk3uV8RgBTQdi1LZLHsbd0Kf4hG+u7IPr cdlBmEy2UBMImE0iq+0Mn8HC2V9XlBcrXdsElHqwHtoxI0JaySVZl3Kvr1R/l77D yKOHvNapj+vSQ5UC3dLQEBCBksTRAOJw1uCFJU7uz0XH/NQcngoQkyaR5d7wdiA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=cran.org.uk; h=date:from:to :cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mail; b=eJvLvL ODLa3a1ll/Ytb4TnShWFWGFzpf5rIoXbRQprIERGWTv8dLGJo24nH/vsxL7rf2P/ tBFMFuzDfVMXEXb0FNV2nx1avOgC+6WbifKQPMgz++k/7WaVHuThY3h30U8dnWBz EKnF1qdACuQsFTmiVkVLJygWfvdfXBkEehAQ8= Received: from unknown (188-222-18-231.zone13.bethere.co.uk [188.222.18.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by muon.cran.org.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 627A1E63BD; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:28:36 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:28:34 +0100 From: Bruce Cran To: Robert Huff Message-ID: <20110616132834.00005ece@unknown> In-Reply-To: <19961.62509.544104.427085@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <19961.62509.544104.427085@jerusalem.litteratus.org> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.8cvs47 (GTK+ 2.16.6; i586-pc-mingw32msvc) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finding kernel 'r' number X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:28:38 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:16:45 -0400 Robert Huff wrote: > For some time now, people have been referring to what build > they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn. > How would one go about determining this value for the > installed kernel? I'm not sure you can: the revision only shows up if you have svn installed (devel/subversion-freebsd) and have built the kernel from code checked out from the svn server. -- Bruce Cran From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 12:41:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADD31065672 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:41:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8848FC17 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFC71CC8D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:41:53 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 0EFC71CC8D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1308228113; bh=Kfx9+2Oaz6Gj+zbSBlDOefo97l31EugeSTPYUhC6zB8=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; z=X-Virus-Scanned:=20amavisd-new=20at=20liukuma.net|X-DKIM:=20Sendm ail=20DKIM=20Filter=20v2.8.3=20www.liukuma.net=201A99F1CC8B|Messag e-ID:=20<85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell>|From:=20"Reko =20Turja"=20|To:=20"FreeBSD=20Mailing=20Li st"=20|References:=20<3.0.1.32.2011 0615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019 581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-ame rican.com><3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com><3.0 .1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615 150619.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f 8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-america n.com><3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com>=20<64D6 EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com>|In-Reply-To:=2 0<64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com>|Subject: =20Re:=20Another=20PHP5=20problem|Date:=20Thu,=2016=20Jun=202011=2 015:41:55=20+0300|MIME-Version:=201.0|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3 B=0D=0A=09format=3Dflowed=3B=0D=0A=09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=3B=0D= 0A=09reply-type=3Doriginal|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-pri ntable|X-Priority:=203|X-MSMail-Priority:=20Normal|Importance:=20N ormal|X-Mailer:=20Microsoft=20Windows=20Live=20Mail=2014.0.8117.41 6|X-MimeOLE:=20Produced=20By=20Microsoft=20MimeOLE=20V14.0.8117.41 6; b=ZeSCetn4fpXsHl0ImqnSl4GFdTylnt8uqTlIeEfmuADyfGiQOlsZ0C5ksP2NpmFYn dryLJ104VEh3zqOpEz6p8+U8WEiEDRfyRaHLWBtwNkNiGA/oIgotHe2k5RxZImA1z6 7df5Ev+BvuqrXH+OawFHv8edM7Ka3vj/cvHjCT6s= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id lhIKR0wbsqOi for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:41:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a91-155-174-194.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.174.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A99F1CC8B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:41:49 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 1A99F1CC8B Message-ID: <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" References: <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> In-Reply-To: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:41:55 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:41:54 -0000 > I have very few uses for sqlite3 but I still have them. 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Just as a sidenote, PHP 5.3.6 so far seems to be unaffected by=20 extension loading order, but looks like that any upgrade of apache,=20 apr, php etc. means that every dependent module downstream has to be=20 recompiled as well. -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 12:52:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 246061065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:52:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D21938FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (raskin.torservers.net [74.120.15.150]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EF5C5C29 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:28:47 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:52:19 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:52:32 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To Thomas Hansen : CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs. unix is a trademark of novell.com. 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 12:57:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F2B106567C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:57:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A51F28FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:57:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4DF9FDA8.6010400@ose.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:57:12 +0200 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <19961.62509.544104.427085@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20110616132834.00005ece@unknown> In-Reply-To: <20110616132834.00005ece@unknown> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: finding kernel 'r' number X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:57:17 -0000 On 06/16/2011 02=3A28 PM=2C Bruce Cran wrote=3A =3E On Thu=2C 16 Jun 2011 08=3A16=3A45 -0400 =3E Robert Huff =3Croberthuff=40rcn=2Ecom=3E wrote=3A =3E =3E=3E =09For some time now=2C people have been referring to what build =3E=3E they=27re using by the =27r=27 number=2C which I believe to be part= of svn=2E =3E=3E =09How would one go about determining this value for the =3E=3E installed kernel=3F =3E I=27m not sure you can=3A the revision only shows up if you have svn =3E installed =28devel/subversion-freebsd=29 and have built the kernel from= code =3E checked out from the svn server=2E =3E You might want to read=3A http=3A//wiki=2Efreebsd=2Eorg/SubversionPrimer DISCLAIMER=3A This e-mail is for the intended recipient=28s=29 only=2E Acce= ss=2C disclosure=2C copying=2C distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited=2E If yo= u have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system= =2E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 12:58:52 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00CA6106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:58:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jamesbrandongooch@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890408FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:58:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwc33 with SMTP id 33so1468438wwc.31 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 05:58:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=N/pv6ROf6jXogLRhM7986o453aZA2v6Ve913cmFnhp8=; b=rwFiEbm2t7ifHE9eZiK3w++6Xwc9zpZy0OCHDFYewbNmAjM5wXuorNI1/FNeO55Ht/ FeMOAKqxfRjYIihXX0waTlY8xftYa5cdvlIKX6y2iprjlvjZZeGXpxEXwCduCiV1Ttoc jad54aqVM3jKaBNWZHTOPIRug9L9f87XUjRxI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Z6jSkKr15+jQtT6QnT8va6ABVTrbvLaxpDu/pNsmOr8MdbMDtKjIlDKZaWWqd6zDI0 lfR1YGcXMPLL3u3ekrzPaSiaRJtfYsmaXsOCm0BftSFtnpThYi0yFOMo3SddS18MvCu4 VbtX9XiQWSvDTx4/verKbFblEnZtjKDEc+X0E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.238.13 with SMTP id z13mr887885weq.99.1308227573751; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 05:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.39.10 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 05:32:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <19961.62509.544104.427085@jerusalem.litteratus.org> References: <19961.62509.544104.427085@jerusalem.litteratus.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:32:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: Brandon Gooch To: Robert Huff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: finding kernel 'r' number X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:58:52 -0000 On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Robert Huff wrote: > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0For some time now, people have been referring to what buil= d > they're using by the 'r' number, which I believe to be part of svn. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0How would one go about determining this value for the inst= alled > kernel? > > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0Robert Huff That would be uname(1): $ uname -v FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223017: Sun Jun 12 13:55:34 CDT 2011 root@m6500.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC ....where r223017 is the current svn revision number from which my system is compiled (kernel and userland). For more options, see `man uname`. -Brandon From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 13:00:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4220D106567A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:00:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0511E8FC1B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:00:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5GD0VVS023087; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) with ESMTP id p5GD0UHJ023084; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:00:31 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:00:30 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Gary Kline In-Reply-To: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> Message-ID: References: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:00:31 -0600 (MDT) Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:00:32 -0000 On Wed, 15 Jun 2011, Gary Kline wrote: > we had a power out here this morning and besides it costing most of > my day, it blew out my Brother laser printer. i just got it working > FINALLY with our cups stuff. don't asked me how; other than i was > using our olden lpr/lpd and had /etc/printcap. > > is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the > members of this org would go for? I prefer used HP business-class lasers with instant-on fusers. http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/usedlasers.html Also, see "lpd Printing With FreeBSD" http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 13:17:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C873106566C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:17:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D408FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:17:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:17:54 +0200 Message-ID: <4DFA0282.3030207@ose.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:17:54 +0200 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <19961.62509.544104.427085@jerusalem.litteratus.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: finding kernel 'r' number X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:17:57 -0000 On 06/16/2011 02=3A32 PM=2C Brandon Gooch wrote=3A =3E That would be uname=281=29=3A =3E =3E =24 uname -v =3E FreeBSD 9=2E0-CURRENT =230 r223017=3A Sun Jun 12 13=3A55=3A34 CDT 2011= =3E root=40m6500=2Elocal=3A/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC =3E =3E =2E=2E=2E=2Ewhere r223017 is the current svn revision number from which= my =3E system is compiled =28kernel and userland=29=2E Does this only apply if you checkout with svn =3F I run current on a machine=2C update with csup and have get r number with u= name DISCLAIMER=3A This e-mail is for the intended recipient=28s=29 only=2E Acce= ss=2C disclosure=2C copying=2C distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited=2E If yo= u have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system= =2E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 13:23:04 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3036C106564A for ; 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z=Message-ID:=20<4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk>|Date:=20T hu,=2016=20Jun=202011=2014:22:43=20+0100|From:=20Matthew=20Seaman= 20|User-Agent:=20Mozilla/5.0=20(M acintosh=3B=20U=3B=20Intel=20Mac=20OS=20X=2010.6=3B=20en-US=3B=20r v:1.9.2.17)=20Gecko/20110414=20Thunderbird/3.1.10|MIME-Version:=20 1.0|To:=20freebsd-questions@freebsd.org|Subject:=20Re:=20free=20sc o=20unix|References:=20<4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk>=09<2011 0615210830.GB23541@gmail.com>=20<20110616125219.GK5630@external.sc rewed.box>|In-Reply-To:=20<20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed. box>|X-Enigmail-Version:=201.1.1|Content-Type:=20multipart/signed= 3B=20micalg=3Dpgp-sha1=3B=0D=0A=20protocol=3D"application/pgp-sign ature"=3B=0D=0A=20boundary=3D"------------enig081B898CA4A84E664CFA E92B"; b=aoDi0VMSc3ZTe0+NyYUe+cSLhZLkFPJNQ8IL88yD7jOpt23KKIAUNSmA9xvDOnPbS t8Tz0fwFWecg1iEVs8UuhsGmkp5EeUN4TYz2cRucy/1x7V0A+UArEFxbBOM0bL98gK jCxabKpio4DWyjrwsHt4xLBNKHIQ8JeHejH8pskg= X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host reflex.squiz.co.uk [83.217.109.164] claimed to be russet.local Message-ID: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:22:43 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> In-Reply-To: <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig081B898CA4A84E664CFAE92B" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,SPF_FAIL autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:23:04 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig081B898CA4A84E664CFAE92B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! > 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan =3D> To = Thomas Hansen : > CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is= =20 > CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs. >=20 > unix is a trademark of novell.com. Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: http://www.unix.org/ It's been owned by them for more than ten years, but it was passed around between various owners quite a bit before that. Cheers, Matthew --=20 Dr Matthew J Seaman MA, D.Phil. 7 Priory Courtyard Flat 3 PGP: http://www.infracaninophile.co.uk/pgpkey Ramsgate JID: matthew@infracaninophile.co.uk Kent, CT11 9PW --------------enig081B898CA4A84E664CFAE92B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.14 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk36A6sACgkQ8Mjk52CukIw41wCePWIPRWZe/pipy+kJNS7qBmfw X/EAmgJZ1QrNRXz4rTNigHmFBayjQfOb =J0A1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig081B898CA4A84E664CFAE92B-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 13:31:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7486D1065674 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:31:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eirnym@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429BC8FC17 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so422194iwr.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Mm7TBIwmIvR+fVpnRAcj0bF8oJaHT4B1/V5idtLUN08=; b=nZ5M0+ja1lve+B/hqVOuZwGwMQ+PSybzDqm+EF+Ak2TdRju2fHik4aSL4lbEyzRH07 sLMUE4C5wLTNGeyjn+FuTcpY7AmnSmtCM1Un0218cjlQLwE67n80Zrg/fDqvQNjxc0zQ Cv0NmM+ozxfWQgDa90YQEH/6xOQwhjtmU29To= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; b=XHITamUsGw25ADMkpOFzBl9iI0Lpr6Y+diXCleKomUYBtbhSm9k45++CGgL0gaPv3A RM0NfxYFVlT9jFmgYqr+8hrpZOm81AqsZ+seRU4blra5Hp6Z61F/gfHY2lauRlUqtrX9 3Enbf7xjnaKV8VhX24+BdS5q4PD05ojNcU1aQ= Received: by 10.42.229.66 with SMTP id jh2mr787711icb.501.1308231106288; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:31:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.52.65 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:31:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Eir Nym Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:31:26 +0400 Message-ID: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: ZFS and cp -x X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:31:47 -0000 Does `cp -x` works correctly on ZFS? -- Eir Nym From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 13:33:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECE71106566C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jnatola@familycareintl.org) Received: from mail.familycareintl.org (static-64-61-120-78.isp.broadviewnet.net [64.61.120.78]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD088FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:33:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from FCIEXCHANGE1.FCI ([::1]) by FCIEXCHANGE1.FCI ([::1]) with mapi id 14.01.0289.001; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:23:01 -0400 From: Jean-Paul Natola To: FreeBSD Mailing List Thread-Topic: Read/Dump Bios chip info Thread-Index: AcwsKIRijS1/sVLpQBCCB2kJMkCKlA== Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:23:01 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [192.168.1.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Read/Dump Bios chip info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:33:47 -0000 Is there any program that can read and or dump the info written in a BIOS = chip? TIA, JP From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 13:37:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E62E01065686 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:37:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@my.gd) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8014C8FC1B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so432096wyb.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.197.21 with SMTP id ei21mr885234wbb.107.1308231460469; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfleuriot-at-hi-media.com ([83.167.62.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl19sm151786wbb.49.2011.06.16.06.37.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4DFA0722.6050603@my.gd> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:37:38 +0200 From: Damien Fleuriot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <19961.62509.544104.427085@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4DFA0282.3030207@ose.nl> In-Reply-To: <4DFA0282.3030207@ose.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: finding kernel 'r' number X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:37:42 -0000 On 6/16/11 3:17 PM, Bas Smeelen wrote: > On 06/16/2011 02:32 PM, Brandon Gooch wrote: >> That would be uname(1): >> >> $ uname -v >> FreeBSD 9.0-CURRENT #0 r223017: Sun Jun 12 13:55:34 CDT 2011 >> root@m6500.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC >> >> ....where r223017 is the current svn revision number from which my >> system is compiled (kernel and userland). > Does this only apply if you checkout with svn ? > I run current on a machine, update with csup and have get r number with uname > > Obviously only works if you checked out with SVN: # uname -a FreeBSD mybsd 8.2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8.2-PRERELEASE #2: Mon Feb 21 12:08:09 CET 2011 root@mybsd:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DAM amd64 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 13:52:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312F7106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:52:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Devin.Teske@fisglobal.com) Received: from mx1.fisglobal.com (mx1.fisglobal.com [199.200.24.190]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65FE8FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:52:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sbhfislrext02.fnfis.com ([192.168.249.140]) by SCSFISLTC01 (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5GDq3qs024180; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:52:03 -0500 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW07.FNFIS.COM (Not Verified[10.132.248.135]) by sbhfislrext02.fnfis.com with MailMarshal (v6, 5, 4, 7535) id ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:51:54 -0500 Received: from SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM ([10.132.248.123]) by SBHFISLTCGW07.FNFIS.COM with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:52:03 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.103] ([10.132.254.136]) by SBHFISLTCGW04.FNFIS.COM over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:52:00 -0500 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <0FC4D99E-8F19-4AA9-B114-6A9455525C7D@vicor.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: Devin Teske Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 06:51:52 -0700 To: Jean-Paul Natola X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jun 2011 13:52:00.0749 (UTC) FILETIME=[90DD09D0:01CC2C2C] Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: Read/Dump Bios chip info X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:52:06 -0000 On Jun 16, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Jean-Paul Natola = wrote: > Is there any program that can read and or dump the info written in a BIO= S chip? pkg_add -r dmidecode --=20 Devin >=20 _____________ The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidentia= l. 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Thank you. _____________ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 13:58:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32172106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:58:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080BB8FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5GDwGPl067433; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:58:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:58:19 -0500 To: "Reko Turja" , "FreeBSD Mailing List" From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:58:17 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:58:17 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:58:18 -0000 At 03:41 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote: >> I have very few uses for sqlite3 but I still have them. And PDO? >> Never seen anything run it. > >Some pretty big projects including Drupal CMS are moving to PDO. I >reckon that having other options without reinventing the wheel, than >one certain Oracle controlled DB-backend is starting to gain momentum. > >Just as a sidenote, PHP 5.3.6 so far seems to be unaffected by >extension loading order, but looks like that any upgrade of apache, >apr, php etc. means that every dependent module downstream has to be >recompiled as well. > >-Reko With upgrade to php5-5.3.6 is the first time ever (many years) I've had any problem with php. The order of the extensions never came up as an issue, nor did it once I found the extensions causing the seg faults and core dumps. Ryan's suggestion of commenting out all of the extensions and then adding back 1 by 1 enabled me to find the offenders quickly. The 2 sqlite extensions caused the problem for me there also was a 3rd one and I removed them all as I don't use that database. For ports, I usually go with the defaults on options unless I KNOW what they do or don't do. Have used the same options and didn't know why the sqlites were added this time. That further cause an install of the core sqlite port. Without removing it, I couldn't delete the inclusion of the sqlite extensions. Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port Makefile wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do this with apr: - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr ...and then reinstall apache2. That didn't work because the Makefile in apache still wants apr0. I changed the Makefile to apr1 but the build failed after it looked again for that apr0 later in the build. I didn't find another call for apr0. What have others done for this? This is about the last issue I know about after the major upgrade of the ports. Thanks for all the help so far -- just any other help on the apr thingy would be nice. Yes, I have googled and always do before going to the trough here. Thanks again! (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 14:06:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C5CA1065678 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:06:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C388FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:06:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so1672198vws.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:06:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=LgHZQ8ikaqde1M1iX88NAFD59/SCCS8PRRRLSc5nHq4=; b=BaSkAaihf5+muSMWR8hQIGLxpfVgFZjA19GDCTwxlO2Kba29mFMEDCtnXRAye3ykRu wbeNc8XqWlADUPpBbmkoS/FJwZOq0ggCbFnizGs1839tL6BRqW26p5Qr4O9pKfh6IZXj yhDtoxosXcQxqPy5hpUbsFt67GUI9M9ieOa0E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=LdU20OSiSpZsqkUrV7NnMUlHEytkNDdintEbGPxbauaEKrSMAcwzobqg+zqUk9TIb/ ZRO8SQLOPRplSwT2SSa26k9okmJbsV7F6QCCqKg5mdJxHYii0g7rf2cB/Qf21o2fGFjz HtuvhIfUgkyuY3GUnh5TMV30O23C6+6xfxJmA= Received: by 10.52.175.197 with SMTP id cc5mr1273949vdc.287.1308233206362; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d34sm254419vbq.19.2011.06.16.07.06.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:06:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:06:42 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106161006.42844.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:06:48 -0000 On Thursday, June 16, 2011 09:22:43 AM Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! > > 2011/06/15 17:08:31 -0400 Chris Brennan => To > > Thomas Hansen : CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, > > whereas UNIX is CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs. > > > > unix is a trademark of novell.com. > > Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: > http://www.unix.org/ > > It's been owned by them for more than ten years, but it was passed > around between various owners quite a bit before that. I think the confusion that you all are having is between the idea of "copyright" and "trademark". They are different. Copyright applies to the code base, and trademark applies to the usage of the word UNIX and its associated symbols along with the right to use said symbols once your product complies with a set of specified standards. The copyright for UNIX is owned by Attachmate, which bought Novell recently (which has scared the pants off the OpenSUSE community, but that's a different tale). This has been proven in court. You can see the verdict on groklaw: http://www.groklaw.net/pdf2/Novell-846.pdf Open Group, however, is a completely different animal. They are a trademark certification organization. They do not own the UNIX copyright, they own the trademark and the specification. According to their website, "The Open Group has separated the UNIX trademark from any actual code stream itself, thus allowing multiple implementations." So, if you wanted to call your software "UNIX" you would need to contact Open Group and make sure that your software licences the trademark, and complies with the standard. If you want to use the source code of UNIX itself, you would license that from Attachmate. Groklaw is a good place to start if you want to read about the whole debacle: http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20040319041857760 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 14:09:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6A11065670 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:09:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2D78FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:09:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DD41CC8D; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:26 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 07DD41CC8D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1308233366; bh=L0UrnZK4DAKqSNDe09gzcLlRm0ydKve8AVeY/rP02Vk=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; z=X-Virus-Scanned:=20amavisd-new=20at=20liukuma.net|X-DKIM:=20Sendm ail=20DKIM=20Filter=20v2.8.3=20www.liukuma.net=208DF2C1CC8B|Messag e-ID:=20|From:=20"Reko =20Turja"=20|To:=20"FreeBSD=20Mailing=20Li st"=20,=0D=0A=09"Jack=20L.=20Stone" =20|References:=20<64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A68 8-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615175738.01958 1f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-am erican.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> =20<3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.3 2.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.201106151 50619.019581f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615155910.01958 1f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-am erican.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> =20<64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com>=20<3.0 .1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<3 .0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com>|Subject:=20Re:= 20Another=20PHP5=20problem|Date:=20Thu,=2016=20Jun=202011=2017:09: 27=20+0300|MIME-Version:=201.0|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=0D=0A =09format=3Dflowed=3B=0D=0A=09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=3B=0D=0A=09re ply-type=3Doriginal|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable| X-Priority:=203|X-MSMail-Priority:=20Normal|Importance:=20Normal|X -Mailer:=20Microsoft=20Windows=20Live=20Mail=2014.0.8117.416|X-Mim eOLE:=20Produced=20By=20Microsoft=20MimeOLE=20V14.0.8117.416; b=RWBOcd3nzkbqgao5ehoUhOtmTieSle166+/yKKSXno4f4P1OP7DoRFd8aCZeHi2fj Z3d1N94/anVFTBmwesD+nPUofra1C8knq15DfVJ/+LGx9x0YultBHzXQwcHXefGVkS xNV0AYkPYb8QIOqnhNYkUbPiRs+hEoZYt6DCVmBQ= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ubmytd+UtVWR; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:21 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a91-155-174-194.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.174.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8DF2C1CC8B; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:21 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 8DF2C1CC8B Message-ID: From: "Reko Turja" To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" , "Jack L. Stone" References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:27 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:09:27 -0000 > Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port=20 > Makefile > wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do=20 > this > with apr: > - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr > ...and then reinstall apache2. That didn't work because the Makefile=20 > in > apache still wants apr0. I changed the Makefile to apr1 but the=20 > build > failed after it looked again for that apr0 later in the build. I=20 > didn't > find another call for apr0. Apache 2, not Apache 2.2? Could you consider upgrade - haven't had any=20 problems with that version in several years now. Of course, everything=20 depending on apache needs recompile afterwards. -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 14:15:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA691065672 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from b.smeelen@ose.nl) Received: from mail.ose.nl (mail.ose.nl [212.178.134.164]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993B38FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:15:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.ose.nl (using TLSv1/SSLv3 with cipher AES256-SHA (256 bits)) for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:15:47 +0200 Message-ID: <4DFA1013.5050106@ose.nl> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:15:47 +0200 From: Bas Smeelen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <19961.62509.544104.427085@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <4DFA0282.3030207@ose.nl> <4DFA0722.6050603@my.gd> In-Reply-To: <4DFA0722.6050603@my.gd> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: finding kernel 'r' number X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:15:51 -0000 On 06/16/2011 03=3A37 PM=2C Damien Fleuriot wrote=3A =3E On 6/16/11 3=3A17 PM=2C Bas Smeelen wrote=3A =3E=3E On 06/16/2011 02=3A32 PM=2C Brandon Gooch wrote=3A =3E=3E=3E That would be uname=281=29=3A =3E=3E=3E =3E=3E=3E =24 uname -v =3E=3E=3E FreeBSD 9=2E0-CURRENT =230 r223017=3A Sun Jun 12 13=3A55=3A34 CDT= 2011 =3E=3E=3E root=40m6500=2Elocal=3A/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC =3E=3E=3E =3E=3E=3E =2E=2E=2E=2Ewhere r223017 is the current svn revision number from= which my =3E=3E=3E system is compiled =28kernel and userland=29=2E =3E=3E Does this only apply if you checkout with svn =3F =3E=3E I run current on a machine=2C update with csup and have get r number= with uname =3E=3E =3E=3E =3E Obviously only works if you checked out with SVN=3A =3E =23 uname -a =3E FreeBSD mybsd 8=2E2-PRERELEASE FreeBSD 8=2E2-PRERELEASE =232=3A Mon Feb= 21 =3E 12=3A08=3A09 CET 2011 root=40mybsd=3A/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/DAM amd6= 4 Hmm=2C I better setup devel/subversion-freebsd on the current machine then= DISCLAIMER=3A This e-mail is for the intended recipient=28s=29 only=2E Acce= ss=2C disclosure=2C copying=2C distribution or reliance on any of it by anyone else is prohibited=2E If yo= u have received it by mistake please let us know by reply and then delete it from your system= =2E From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 14:20:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 795261065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:20:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 316208FC17 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:20:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5GEKFhc070328; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:20:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110616092017.018c54e0@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:20:17 -0500 To: "Reko Turja" , "FreeBSD Mailing List" From: "Jack L. 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The apache port >> Makefile >> wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do >> this >> with apr: >> - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr >> ...and then reinstall apache2. That didn't work because the Makefile >> in >> apache still wants apr0. I changed the Makefile to apr1 but the >> build >> failed after it looked again for that apr0 later in the build. I >> didn't >> find another call for apr0. > >Apache 2, not Apache 2.2? Could you consider upgrade - haven't had any >problems with that version in several years now. Of course, everything >depending on apache needs recompile afterwards. > >-Reko > No, UPDATING sez the apr thing applies to both apache2 and 22. Yes, aware of need to recompile the dependencies. Apache2 port specifically still wants the vulnerable apr0 which cannot be updated yet. I updated my ports tree, but a new apr version was not there yet. So, stuck between a rock and a hard place. Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 14:32:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 514BD106566C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:32:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (blue.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FB48FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fileserver.home.qeng-ho.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5GE5Kaa009935; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:05:22 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Message-ID: <4DFA0DA0.8060702@qeng-ho.org> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:05:20 +0100 From: Arthur Chance User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110430 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gary Kline References: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> In-Reply-To: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:32:37 -0000 On 06/16/11 07:28, Gary Kline wrote: > is there a laser other than the brother {tm}? i mean, that the > members of this org would go for? It depends how much printing you need it for, so check the manufacturer's specs. I've got a Kyocera FS-C5200DN, which is rated as a workgroup printer good for 1000s of pages a month. It gets used regularly for printing leaflets, brochures, etc in 100s at a time and works out considerably cheaper than Staples or other local copy shops for that sort of thing - below 2p per page ($0.03) for b&w, below 7p ($0.11) for colour according to the reviews. Reasonably fast (except on stuff from the Mac's word processor program for some reason), seems reliable but we've only had it about 8 months so not long enough to see any long term problems. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 14:37:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5D601065674 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:37:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E02E8FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:37:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DE11CC8B; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:37:50 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 60DE11CC8B DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1308235070; bh=wZ9mp7u/GU0Ninb1oYhn1Qr4pJkJkz6MOrqJAs4/3gc=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; z=X-Virus-Scanned:=20amavisd-new=20at=20liukuma.net|X-DKIM:=20Sendm ail=20DKIM=20Filter=20v2.8.3=20www.liukuma.net=2024E791CC8F|Messag e-ID:=20<6D75A52A0A9B4C73894DC8FAE394473D@rivendell>|From:=20"Reko =20Turja"=20|To:=20"FreeBSD=20Mailing=20Li st"=20,=0D=0A=09"Jack=20L.=20Stone" =20|References:=20<3.0.1.32.2011061608581 9.018c54e0@sage-american.com>=20<64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFE FD1@d3photography.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-am erican.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> =20<3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.3 2.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.201106150 90401.0181fea8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615150619.01958 1f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-am erican.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> =20<3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com>=20<64D6EF8 B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110 616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110616092017.0 18c54e0@sage-american.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<3.0.1.32.20110616092017 .018c54e0@sage-american.com>|Subject:=20Re:=20Another=20PHP5=20pro blem|Date:=20Thu,=2016=20Jun=202011=2017:37:46=20+0300|MIME-Versio n:=201.0|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=0D=0A=09format=3Dflowed=3B= 0D=0A=09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=3B=0D=0A=09reply-type=3Doriginal|Co ntent-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable|X-Priority:=203|X-MSMa il-Priority:=20Normal|Importance:=20Normal|X-Mailer:=20Microsoft=2 0Windows=20Live=20Mail=2014.0.8117.416|X-MimeOLE:=20Produced=20By= 20Microsoft=20MimeOLE=20V14.0.8117.416; b=Jo6D7IvZeo5q2c37DtFus6kBZFUt6wGfj1YGaXdJ5ecxHaRygB3aJbdTbsc5GXhK1 hxGJATYMjwvCsxCfxe/DTXeBKNsv7saACx54Pehi6CfCAmkMy7WvG4qryFRASBq39D 2PELEzKBv8CLNycl9zJx22mZwKlBQi5eZbyeqc+Y= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id KfqW+VvM7s9D; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:37:43 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a91-155-174-194.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.174.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 24E791CC8F; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:37:42 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 24E791CC8F Message-ID: <6D75A52A0A9B4C73894DC8FAE394473D@rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: "FreeBSD Mailing List" , "Jack L. Stone" References: <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616092017.018c54e0@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110616092017.018c54e0@sage-american.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:37:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:37:51 -0000 > I updated my ports > tree, but a new apr version was not there > yet. So, stuck between a rock and a hard place. And the fix for APR 0.x might be long way coming, see=20 http://projects.apache.org/projects/portable_runtime.html, looks like=20 0.x branch hasn't been updated in ages. Nor any action has been done=20 to fix the issues. Apache 2.2. uses APR 1.x by default so having APR=20 1.x installed from ports and then installing Apache2.2 etc. does work. -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 14:52:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870101065676 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:52:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A88A8FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:52:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXDvi-0007eN-He for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:52:22 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:52:22 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:52:22 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:52:46 -0400 Lines: 51 Message-ID: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:52:31 -0000 Jack L. Stone wrote: [snip] > > Now, I wrestling with the apache2 and apr0 issue. The apache port Makefile > wants apr0, but it now has vulnablilities. Ports UPDATING says to do this > with apr: > - remove apache2 and then: portupgrade -f -o devel/apr1 devel/apr > ...and then reinstall apache2. That didn't work because the Makefile in > apache still wants apr0. I changed the Makefile to apr1 but the build > failed after it looked again for that apr0 later in the build. I didn't > find another call for apr0. > > What have others done for this? This is about the last issue I know about > after the major upgrade of the ports. > > Thanks for all the help so far -- just any other help on the apr thingy > would be nice. Yes, I have googled and always do before going to the > trough here. > I seem to remember vaguely going through this once upon a time, I believe it was circa trying to move from apache 1.3.xx to apache 2.0. apr0 was for 1.3 and apr1 was for apache 2.0. I seem to recall a chicken and egg scenario about installing the apr(x) port first, then during the apache install it tried to install it again. Back then the apache 2.0 would mistakenly go looking for apr0 the second time unless there was something like a USE_APACHE= 20 (or something like that) in make.conf. I remember chasing my tail on that one. I think later the USE_APACHE= 20 became deprecated and APACHE_PORT=www/apache22 replaced it. Really, apache2 is dated. Apache22 is now the default. You would only require the make.conf entries described above to force a change from default(22). It doesn't have the problems you're having. If you are at this stage you should really make the move to apache22. Be advised though, it pulls in a few more dependencies than I'd really like, especially the apr1 (now named apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12) port installing Python27. You might have to make a couple of twiddles on .conf files but it is something easy to do. But the sticky point is the apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12 is the new apr1 port for apache22 installs, not the old devel/apr(x) - those are for 1.3 and 2.0 and will need the make.conf entry (22 won't need anything). At any rate take a gander at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk for more info. But if it were me instead of fighting I'd just go with the apache22 default instead of struggling with apache20. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 15:18:59 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DD4106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:18:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99CAF8FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:18:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8461CC8D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:18:57 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 8D8461CC8D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1308237537; bh=k3NB3cZdbzaslD1felmlyfHvZrAVzm8iYeAdIH5dsGk=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:18:59 -0000 From: "Michael Powell" > pulls in a few more dependencies than I'd really like, especially=20 > the apr1 > (now named apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12) port=20 > installing The name depends completely on the knobs you have used with=20 portbuild - my apr is:=20 apr-ipv6-devrandom-db43-pgsql84-sqlite3-1.4.5.1.3.12 > At any rate take a gander at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk for more=20 > info. But > if it were me instead of fighting I'd just go with the apache22=20 > default Yeah - the configuration differences are pretty minimal and even the=20 2.0 port makefile states now: DEPRECATED=3D will be unsupported by=20 ASF when 2.4.0 is release, migrate to 2.2.x+ now -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 15:30:00 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 299DC1065676 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:30:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAD2F8FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor3.anonymizer.ccc.de [80.237.226.73]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D4D6E5B6B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:06:14 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:29:42 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:30:00 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 14:22:43 +0100 Matthew Seaman => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : MS> > CB> FreeBSD is a UNIX-like clone, which is indeed free, whereas UNIX is MS> > CB> still the proprietary property of AT&T/Bell Labs. MS> > MS> > unix is a trademark of novell.com. MS> MS> Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: MS> http://www.unix.org/ But not of AT&T/Bell Labs. MS> It's been owned by them for more than ten years, but it was passed MS> around between various owners quite a bit before that. There should be a difference recognized between "own a Unix trademark" by http://www.unix.org/trademark.html and "ownership of the Unix copyrights" by http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 where I'm pass. Lawyers are so lawyers ;-) 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 15:47:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E721065670 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:47:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 924BC8FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:47:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (iamthepants.net [193.110.157.152]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2F19C5C54 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:24:00 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:47:32 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616154732.GM5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <201106161006.42844.rsimmons0@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201106161006.42844.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:47:46 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 10:06:42 -0400 Robert Simmons => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : RS> I think the confusion that you all are having is between the idea of RS> "copyright" and "trademark". They are different. Copyright applies to the As I suspected ;-) RS> So, if you wanted to call your software "UNIX" you would need to contact Open RS> Group and make sure that your software licences the trademark, and complies This will require some efforts from Open Group. Does FreeBSD Foundation pay for that? RS> with the standard. If you want to use the source code of UNIX itself, you RS> would license that from Attachmate. So nobody knows if Lunus will once upon a time split Linux code from himself de jure as he did de facto nowadays and just have an income from such a regular trademark sales from, say, Linux Foundation, Attachmate, etc.? 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 15:49:11 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E8911065672 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:49:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2F58FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:49:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so2066972bwz.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:49:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id :date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=kh8BTCrxt+ZCvnC/UjwdQ933dibosEuo+3i1Y6VVnCY=; b=DluYbClTHNFj3jLGL+lVscXVoazGeNjNKuLnxrVqbO+BjEfeIneUU23h5KDdQZ/zdu z0sWvu98BEEldPItRVNdZa3Tnarah9/4Wkmf16wX30v8YdwXGdNiqBe0RwKul05VfAM0 pVGbBi6miWu8n8GVllHF/eaJ3FcJidw39+VZo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:content-type:x-mailer:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=VeugnToVLLISrPgPwzdDmGHCiiFgY79ZS83yUTUU7SqQrLglNTYJto1fhaUMcgO6Ol GdvJLYnS4Y3dQDQ+riHMISY/ROFcJVDNxydCiMXarr3PAllw6nggwa0vmHvCbfaETQvC luS9PldytnBryc+UZdK1+IZzpH8Y6L8Kgx8K4= Received: by 10.204.84.224 with SMTP id k32mr659510bkl.139.1308239349879; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.6] (ip-250-29-179-93.dialup.ice.net [93.179.29.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v6sm1289624bkf.11.2011.06.16.08.49.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:49:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Wodfer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8J2) Message-Id: <0665B44F-2925-4BD0-98D5-4260ADBA6CD3@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:49:00 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8J2) Subject: Going STABLE in 64bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:49:11 -0000 Hi, I'm running 8.2 REL. Are there any specific things to be aware of when c= ompiling kernel and making world in 64bit? Required kernel modules etc? I've only done this in 32bit. Thanks! Andreas --- Mvh/Rgds, Andreas Wideroe From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 15:55:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978511065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:55:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E698FC18 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:55:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so1791497vxc.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:55:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=KrYO8hfyFPfgZlFgNKR6rhfwOW0DVhf4XRo9AxiJ5Ck=; b=vHlQ+lgFs1rP1kNnjPLGTcOzANomIW3EeQuentw5c0uT0jafgNkewTds7KoXU8HBT6 cDHWSIa8h/yl35l2YUwNaGZHJHgiQC37OmPNkncwAxgp7elyoDYP6HVb1vQp7pX7ZkQg HbHuc6dEPg6N04kzFb2zIZDxnTOhKvzfhzgj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=VfJhwzHiSQY2K15BDE1RBr62A/V8bQYRdwv6k+7CsS9lbJmnMf1Huj3GJ11iMwn2gX 1hBtEG6GKAUkqw6QLE+Bp4+67ViT0dqtOyaiNxyuEf6aZb7jBee0K57u89ATNwPUQe/4 wcC/XLwflWAqhh3i6iLoilxBenasR6oBWGP9M= Received: by 10.52.177.196 with SMTP id cs4mr163668vdc.279.1308239656585; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bh17sm586804vdc.3.2011.06.16.08.54.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 08:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:54:05 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> In-Reply-To: <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:55:25 -0000 On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:29:42 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote: > There should be a difference recognized between "own a Unix trademark" by > http://www.unix.org/trademark.html and "ownership of the Unix copyrights" > by http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20100330152829622 where I'm > pass. There is a difference (see my post earlier), or: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use of signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 15:58:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EFA11065672 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E208FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:58:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5GFwewU078587; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:58:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:58:44 -0500 To: "Reko Turja" , From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:58:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:58:41 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:58:43 -0000 At 06:18 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote: >From: "Michael Powell" >> pulls in a few more dependencies than I'd really like, especially >> the apr1 >> (now named apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db42-1.4.5.1.3.12) port >> installing > >The name depends completely on the knobs you have used with >portbuild - my apr is: >apr-ipv6-devrandom-db43-pgsql84-sqlite3-1.4.5.1.3.12 > >> At any rate take a gander at /usr/ports/Mk/bsd.apache.mk for more >> info. But >> if it were me instead of fighting I'd just go with the apache22 >> default > >Yeah - the configuration differences are pretty minimal and even the >2.0 port makefile states now: DEPRECATED= will be unsupported by >ASF when 2.4.0 is release, migrate to 2.2.x+ now > >-Reko Thanks to both you and Mike for the advice. I've already installed apache22 on a test server and trying to allocate time to it as and when. Looks like this apr thing is going to raise the priority. Also, I see the sqlite3 is tacked on the apr you have. I only have: apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db46-mysql50-1.4.5.1.3.12 What are all of those "conf" files in the apache22/extra directory? Any includes needed there besides perhaps the ssl if used? Thanks guys! Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 16:00:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14811065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Received: from smarthost1.sentex.ca (smarthost1-6.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71938FC1F for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:00:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a] (saphire3.sentex.ca [IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:4:f025:8813:7603:7e4a]) by smarthost1.sentex.ca (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5GG0ab9064672; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:00:36 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from mike@sentex.net) Message-ID: <4DFA28B6.8030403@sentex.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:00:54 -0400 From: Mike Tancsa Organization: Sentex Communications User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Wodfer References: <0665B44F-2925-4BD0-98D5-4260ADBA6CD3@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <0665B44F-2925-4BD0-98D5-4260ADBA6CD3@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.67 on IPv6:2607:f3e0:0:1::12 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Going STABLE in 64bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:00:39 -0000 On 6/16/2011 11:49 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: > Hi, I'm running 8.2 REL. Are there any specific things to be aware of when compiling kernel and making world in 64bit? Required kernel modules etc? I sometimes forget that the kernel config is in cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ and not cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ ... so I will be editing the wrong kernel config file, rebuilding, and not understanding why the changes are not reflected in my kernel as loaded. But other than that and a little longer build times, all is pretty much the same Just to be clear, you have an existing 64bit 8.2 system you are just updating to stable right ? ---Mike > > I've only done this in 32bit. > > Thanks! > Andreas > > --- > Mvh/Rgds, > Andreas Wideroe > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > -- ------------------- Mike Tancsa, tel +1 519 651 3400 Sentex Communications, mike@sentex.net Providing Internet services since 1994 www.sentex.net Cambridge, Ontario Canada http://www.tancsa.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 16:07:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B43D110656B6 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68EAE8FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:07:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so1804664vxc.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:07:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=0iwqwqwYa34RawlDkFe9RvJ83Ok/LH3zyeR1dmrXL18=; b=APfyuOrDbYw/9TYmli7Ox0D/hdvga7PmeJsBXkXIT0saGwpIrKtZxiaVsD4PByTdcJ +f3zj7JEyIB31qTWJEH2SGpSfXtyK93D9uV2Sr7zM3binMKoFgQ8xb5+4cMIlV/JYe6G MLt2ljv2tngmAi3j7EVITpOmz9m8gAzXj0vQM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=Lsmo97RzdXyGiWLE0RheWRJmvmNfUsVQRwiTcSINop7TyUhtoULIV+uW9sT3kB4F42 JGNNjHO6G2i8a0t5KvVgSRjc5X3AHiWERSQeM3Q4ah9b5W3kQAJ3t4niITmmxVY33dTs M0P7xn5/LYTQsJZ2ikHS4+KcQME3TN4S5sUH4= Received: by 10.52.185.231 with SMTP id ff7mr1597107vdc.103.1308240424344; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id du6sm586879vdb.45.2011.06.16.09.07.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:07:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:07:00 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <201106161006.42844.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616154732.GM5630@external.screwed.box> In-Reply-To: <20110616154732.GM5630@external.screwed.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106161207.01042.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:07:05 -0000 On Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:47:32 AM Peter Vereshagin wrote: > This will require some efforts from Open Group. Does FreeBSD Foundation pay > for that? Not necessary. FreeBSD does not use (want to use/need to use) the UNIX trademark and according to the USL vs. BSDi court case, FreeBSD does not have to worry about copyright either. > So nobody knows if Lunus will once upon a time split Linux code from > himself de jure as he did de facto nowadays and just have an income from > such a regular trademark sales from, say, Linux Foundation, Attachmate, > etc.? No. The linux trademark in the US is held by Linus. The Linux Trademark Institute licenses the trademark to organizations under a free, perpetual, worldwide sublicense. So, even if Linus were to change his mind and try to start suing everyone using the trademark, (pigs fly first) it would all be thrown out of court. Additionally, the source code is GPL, so even if in the fictional world of Linus taking the trademark elsewhere, you can fork the code and call it Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg, and you would be fine. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/programs/legal/trademark From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 16:20:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631331065678 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:20:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080498FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:20:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (zeller.torservers.net [74.120.12.135]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B63575CCB for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:57:05 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:20:32 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:20:51 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-) RS> Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use of RS> signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. Source code itself can have 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' and consist in terms of its usability of them, doesn't it just use to? 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' same way can have their source code and consist in terms of their usability of it, doesn't they just use to? Such a relationships system will just ruin into ashes droven by such a kinds of the internal controversions. Murphy's rule for that case is: all of that will happen just in time I'll be ready to use it. Don't just make this moment come sooner with my understanding. ;-) 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 16:31:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7DF31065675 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:31:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85D658FC1A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:31:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 852521CC8D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:31:16 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 852521CC8D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1308241876; bh=xbwttnEHwlxX6VQV275xsBVnYL7pwPSScYbxSW8vqgw=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; z=X-Virus-Scanned:=20amavisd-new=20at=20liukuma.net|X-DKIM:=20Sendm ail=20DKIM=20Filter=20v2.8.3=20www.liukuma.net=208A1831CC8B|Messag e-ID:=20|From:=20"Reko =20Turja"=20|To:=20|References:=20<4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk><2011061 61006.42844.rsimmons0@gmail.com><20110616154732.GM5630@external.sc rewed.box>=20<201106161207.01042.rsimmons0@gmail.com>|In-Reply-To: =20<201106161207.01042.rsimmons0@gmail.com>|Subject:=20Re:=20free= 20sco=20unix|Date:=20Thu,=2016=20Jun=202011=2019:31:19=20+0300|MIM E-Version:=201.0|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=0D=0A=09format=3Dfl owed=3B=0D=0A=09charset=3D"utf-8"=3B=0D=0A=09reply-type=3Doriginal |Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable|X-Priority:=203|X-M SMail-Priority:=20Normal|Importance:=20Normal|X-Mailer:=20Microsof t=20Windows=20Live=20Mail=2014.0.8117.416|X-MimeOLE:=20Produced=20 By=20Microsoft=20MimeOLE=20V14.0.8117.416; b=nzETFUeWn5tt0SSYq+C42KuAwNHVemD36u9MeDcYux1eOTXCm/FGL5zS73iuKrd02 iCOCHUWTRDwBk+KUseTSdBOoBJybTZ8rxPiH/2mYPg++oGwRONmPhxShGeXvl3GDxX gzhh1DmhHpEBo9UbLZvWoPG2rM13fqZugR7JVj+Y= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Gkordg6VQspg for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:31:12 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a91-155-174-194.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.174.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A1831CC8B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:31:12 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 8A1831CC8B Message-ID: From: "Reko Turja" To: References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk><201106161006.42844.rsimmons0@gmail.com><20110616154732.GM5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161207.01042.rsimmons0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <201106161207.01042.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:31:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:31:18 -0000 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Simmons" > thrown out of court. Additionally, the source code is GPL, so even=20 > if in the > fictional world of Linus taking the trademark elsewhere, you can=20 > fork the code > and call it Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg, and you would be=20 > fine. In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs=20 have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied=20 after taking the issue into court... -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 16:47:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B8A106567F for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:47:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rsimmons0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3148FC1C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so1864858vws.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:47:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:message-id; bh=/VWS5xxS/ZJERK3OSQsOZ2B3qNKiLrBrQfctO6FKGkA=; b=p+VTFZTBdU5LPTPHjgxkAEpHHUVNuhOrn7EF7i7haAOfwrCklAQVslhlJCyDa2NI4h NctMIdLXk2Fq56sFaoBYr2751vSUrPky2o7h8YkrKIvgBtMoNpVKfB4XxNJJeYBsHhTO DfnC/OCe0peGLihso0ZzB0vcqZl72LX5GOdZw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=DeTXArnfFhvb2CW4U64T88ffLVQ/77AnymvS2bYAG50kRgHMuGx8R/Lhx4dTd16xRz dyfRdhVApTk15TqjOKsT9+ONNl+a9ckIw7P5BmhbZWlPg+wlYjfMTRHt45U2Ijltft2n eSdxGawRhnOoygVk5I0Rq4TfHK7OxzWDsvXtI= Received: by 10.52.109.228 with SMTP id hv4mr1599305vdb.42.1308242870263; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:47:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from skynet.localnet (pool-108-28-47-226.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.28.47.226]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cf7sm605652vdb.14.2011.06.16.09.47.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 09:47:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Simmons To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:47:46 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.6 (Linux/2.6.38-8-generic; KDE/4.6.4; i686; ; ) References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <201106161207.01042.rsimmons0@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106161247.46782.rsimmons0@gmail.com> Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rsimmons0@gmail.com List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:47:53 -0000 On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote: > In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs > have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied > after taking the issue into court... I thought that Sun reversed that decision in 2008. Can you give some examples? There are two major GPL forks of MySQL right now: http://drizzle.org/ and http://mariadb.org/about/ MariaDB is the drop-in replacement for MySQL for people who want to get away from Oracle/MySQL AB. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 16:49:37 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47368106567B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:49:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AD98FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67461CC8D; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:49:35 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net A67461CC8D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1308242975; bh=du70KOPGdF8318dTf6bbZR9jhp8LEkI7Z95lVAnlMk4=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; z=X-Virus-Scanned:=20amavisd-new=20at=20liukuma.net|X-DKIM:=20Sendm ail=20DKIM=20Filter=20v2.8.3=20www.liukuma.net=20496341CC8B|Messag e-ID:=20<46EE9659A2924CF3A78128331FCC1D6A@rivendell>|From:=20"Reko =20Turja"=20|To:=20,=0D=0A=09"Jack=20L.=20Stone"=20| References:=20=20<64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C -A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615175738.0 19581f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sag e-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american. com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0 .1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110 615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615155910.0 19581f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sag e-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american. com>=20<64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com>=20 <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell>=20<3.0.1.32.201106160 85819.018c54e0@sage-american.com>=20 =20<3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com>|In-Reply-T o:=20<3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com>|Subject: =20Re:=20Another=20PHP5=20problem|Date:=20Thu,=2016=20Jun=202011=2 019:49:34=20+0300|MIME-Version:=201.0|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3 B=0D=0A=09format=3Dflowed=3B=0D=0A=09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=3B=0D= 0A=09reply-type=3Doriginal|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-pri ntable|X-Priority:=203|X-MSMail-Priority:=20Normal|Importance:=20N ormal|X-Mailer:=20Microsoft=20Windows=20Live=20Mail=2014.0.8117.41 6|X-MimeOLE:=20Produced=20By=20Microsoft=20MimeOLE=20V14.0.8117.41 6; b=DI3gckbOP4ePEGo9y0OOSSQ4HMgAiKqOLHSBXHpVnsMTwY5yFAjUmS9vh9nxSEYFy Icl62XzNp3Kne9BH2ZhNV9obHaU+R3bpmJA8RrX7o69h+oDTXovKF95ItcJ2Azrbnw YheICKK5qxH7jOTEZx/hwVOJnM0Urbs/kJCFbx88= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id bZY3N5SPv4gk; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:49:28 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a91-155-174-194.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.174.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 496341CC8B; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:49:28 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 496341CC8B Message-ID: <46EE9659A2924CF3A78128331FCC1D6A@rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: , "Jack L. Stone" References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:49:34 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:49:37 -0000 From: "Jack L. Stone" > Also, I see the sqlite3 is tacked on the apr you have. I only have: > apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db46-mysql50-1.4.5.1.3.12 Yeah when I ran make config for apr I selected sqlite as I had it=20 already installed for stuff where I might need SQL capabilities, but=20 full blown server is too 'heavy'. > What are all of those "conf" files in the apache22/extra directory?=20 > Any > includes needed there besides perhaps the ssl if used? Check those through, just in case there are some options you might=20 want to include or are already using. I've moved the ones I needed to=20 the Includes subdir and kept extra purely as a storage for originals.=20 But sadly can't help more with the needed extra includes as those are=20 so much dependent on your needs and setup. -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 16:55:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14597106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:55:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9B68FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:55:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXFr5-0007DG-Ss for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:55:43 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:55:43 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:55:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:56:10 -0400 Lines: 92 Message-ID: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:55:46 -0000 Jack L. Stone wrote: [snip] > > Thanks to both you and Mike for the advice. I've already installed > apache22 on a test server and trying to allocate time to it as and when. > Looks like this apr thing is going to raise the priority. You shouldn't have any of these apr problems with 22. > Also, I see the sqlite3 is tacked on the apr you have. I only have: > apr-ipv6-devrandom-gdbm-db46-mysql50-1.4.5.1.3.12 >>The name depends completely on the knobs you have used with >>portbuild - my apr is: >>apr-ipv6-devrandom-db43-pgsql84-sqlite3-1.4.5.1.3.12 Depends on what knobs you chose during the make config stage. > What are all of those "conf" files in the apache22/extra directory? Any > includes needed there besides perhaps the ssl if used? > These are essentially just the big httpd.conf of old broken into separate sections. Many are not needed. You'll probably need httpd-default.conf, httpd-ssl.conf, httpd-mpm.conf at the bare minimum. If you are running any vhosts their configs will be in httpd-vhosts.conf. The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either of the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: accf_http_load="YES" accf_data_load="YES" When there is a problem with these Apache will emit an error warning, but will operate OK. They are supposed to provide some small measure of performance improvement. What I've noticed is I never seem to get any warning when I boot a machine and Apache starts right up. I've only ever seen a warning occassionally when restarting. the no-accf.conf is simply telling Apache not to look for these modules. If you load these kernel modules simply comment out the 'Include' line at the bottom of httpd.conf. The structure of the .conf file storage has changed, but once you look at the individual files themselves a lot of it is familiar, just divided up into pieces. There have been new and changed Directives from Apache 13, 20, and 22. What I did was to let apache22 install all it's default files and then just migrated over settings from backup copies of what I had in place beforehand. One thing you'll want to know for the future - When you did make config to set the options for the Apache build the config gets saved as an 'options' file under /var/db/ports/apache22. There is a corresponding one for apr. Any additional extra build options not set here should be set in /etc/make.conf. Now I am remiss at going over and comparing mine for dupes and misfits, but by way of example my make.conf has this section in it: #For Apache-2.2.9 Build WITH_MPM=event WITH_THREADS=yes WITHOUT_AUTHN_MODULES=yes WITH_CUSTOM_AUTHZ=authz_host WITHOUT_DAV_MODULES=yes WITHOUT_LDAP_MODULES=yes #WITH_PROXY_MODULES=yes #WITHOUT_SUEXEC_MODULES=yes WITH_THREADS_MODULES=yes WITH_CACHE_MODULES=yes WITH_SSL_MODULES=yes WITH_AUTH_MODULES=yes WITH_MISC_MODULES=yes WITH_CUSTOM_EXPERIMENTAL=ext_filter As you can see it's old. The advantage of having these 2 configs stored is from now on out when you do a portupgrade it will be pretty automagical. I've portupgraded since 2.2.9 and never had to mess with fixing anything! Also, I would suspect your apr was just built with whatever the port maintainer has set as defaults if you just launched the Apache build and it built the apr port as a dependency. You can set your own if you build and do a 'make config' in the apr port first, or you could also do 'make config recursive' when beginning the Apache build and this allows to set dependency options ahead of time. The first time a port is built and there are no saved 'options' file it will display the build options for you to choose. Once this file exists you need to do 'make config' to bring that screen up again. A 'make config recursive' will walk the dependency tree and show you them all. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 17:14:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FE5106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:14:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE3B8FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:14:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so678126iwr.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E6G7eYXLRJniYg/RIKLQEGDVSxmmwxMt592/WTzaD7Q=; b=d22JIMYfiyc5CiQb443cj1lK1mXDPIMkkpTP+OeAa6K70dzrtMDhFrlonP7rVRbj+r 6vGINrZKkVFf9YbVQA8J6zEG44Ag5/mCS28D+gkc2oSelBDFAz0YXk/jCiiW1fdubRWC k+blAyGOwvWkC08Hupte0KY28HSBz+LdYQx+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=wuSZbxVZOWSm7/1yr9obVAngWwdPqu7MfZrNGrgnDnlw+K//GlW/BdDJ6DzNiSqXz3 wEJXRQ9xF8+x8y5H6gEpv31JdpWz7nByPlBJDpiPwKlrafanq7xRJgE+WrHPpr70aeJL 7z+S/kcP8TfRdnIkYPF3jIi4B6ZjGrZZwxbpI= Received: by 10.231.207.211 with SMTP id fz19mr1025165ibb.2.1308244494059; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:14:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: utisoft@gmail.com Received: by 10.231.174.70 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:14:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201106161247.46782.rsimmons0@gmail.com> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <201106161207.01042.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <201106161247.46782.rsimmons0@gmail.com> From: Chris Rees Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:14:24 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: -6e7KpbIAgVMZBXMGAY6Z1L8beo Message-ID: To: rsimmons0@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:14:55 -0000 On 16 June 2011 17:47, Robert Simmons wrote: > On Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:31:19 PM Reko Turja wrote: >> In that fictional world MySQL needed a fork and some GPL'd programs >> have been retroactively made completely closed source, forking denied >> after taking the issue into court... > > I thought that Sun reversed that decision in 2008. =A0Can you give some > examples? > > There are two major GPL forks of MySQL right now: > http://drizzle.org/ > and > http://mariadb.org/about/ > > MariaDB is the drop-in replacement for MySQL for people who want to get a= way > from Oracle/MySQL AB. This thread appears to have drifted off topic. Perhaps move to chat? Chris From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 17:15:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5051065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:15:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E547F8FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:15:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5GHF6WF002095; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:15:07 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110616121510.027f64f8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:15:10 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:15:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:15:07 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:15:08 -0000 At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >Jack L. Stone wrote: > > >-Mike > > Mike, very useful info. I had surmised about the "extra .configs" to reduce the size of the main config file. I had already started doing that with apache2. Have been studying the files and comparing to my present httpd.conf and do see some changes that I suppose will emerge should they be needed. Some lines/sections just have been moved around. Again, thanks for taking the time with the info. Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 17:36:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46874106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:36:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1826D8FC1E for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:36:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.magehandbook.com (mail.magehandbook.net [192.168.1.100]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FA7930 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 152.121.16.254 (SquirrelMail authenticated user daniel) by www.magehandbook.com with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:36:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:36:32 -0400 From: "Daniel Staal" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:36:34 -0000 On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! > 2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : > RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright > RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark > > I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-) > > RS> Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use > of > RS> signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. > > Source code itself can have 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' and > consist in terms of its usability of them, doesn't it just use to? > 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' same way can have their source code > and consist in terms of their usability of it, doesn't they just use to? Trademark is for 'this is made by me. I put my name on it.' Copyright is for the content of a book/speech/whatever. 'Trademark' is a _maker's mark._ The point is not encouraging the creation of works (like copyright): The point is so that a maker/seller can build a reputation with their customers. They are very different in terms, uses, and requirements. In theory it is possible to hold both a trademark and a copyright on the same thing, but it is hard. (You will likely fail applicability tests for one or the other.) It is of course possible to put a trademark on something you've copyrighted, so people know who created it. 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 18:00:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E051065676 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:00:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jeff.hamann@forestinformatics.com) Received: from bobby.forestinformatics.com (cvo-cr1-200-239.peak.org [69.59.200.239]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE868FC1A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (rufus.forestinformatics.com [192.168.0.4]) by bobby.forestinformatics.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id p5GHQIfZ033260; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:26:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jeff.hamann@forestinformatics.com) From: Jeff Hamann Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 10:26:13 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: <8F88EB66-BE96-4465-82CF-AAED40B81458@forestinformatics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=failed version=3.1.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.1 (2006-03-10) on bobby.forestinformatics.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: startup postgresql 9.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:00:51 -0000 I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2. I've been trying to get postgresql (the server) to start on bootup using = /etc/rc.conf system. I'm using the script from the tarball (found in the = contrib/start-scripts/freebsd of postreges tarball) I can't seem to get it to work on FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 (I don't think the = arch is important here, but you never know). As instructed in the script, I've moved the file to = /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql I've added the "postgresql_enable=3DYES" to /etc/rc/conf. I know I'm missing some magic here = (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc-scripting/index.ht= ml perhaps?) I've /usr/local/pgsql/bin./postgres --help'd too and can't seem to get = traction. Can you please help? I'm sure this is something simple I'm neglecting. Please don't respond with "Why don't you just use the ports collection?" = There's reasons - like: 1) need to build from source, 3) it's for a = tutorial, and 3) postgresql90-server isn't building. Respectfully, Jeff. Jeff Hamann, PhD PO Box 1421 Corvallis, Oregon 97339-1421 541-754-2457 jeff.hamann[at]forestinformatics[dot]com http://www.forestinformatics.com http://forufus.blogspot.com/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 18:20:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8E8106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC68D8FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor-exit-router45-readme.formlessnetworking.net [199.48.147.45]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3D8F05D8D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:43 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:20:11 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:30 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 13:36:32 -0400 Daniel Staal => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : DS> > RS> Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use DS> > of DS> > RS> signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. DS> > DS> > Source code itself can have 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' and DS> > consist in terms of its usability of them, doesn't it just use to? DS> > 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' same way can have their source code DS> > and consist in terms of their usability of it, doesn't they just use to? DS> DS> Trademark is for 'this is made by me. I put my name on it.' Copyright is DS> for the content of a book/speech/whatever. But both are just words/phrases, right? How one can be sure the trademark is allowed to copy? It is a thing to be created. How one can be sure the copyrighted work itself is not a trademark? It can be that strange word the one suggested to rebrand Linux in this thread. Of course it doesn't sound to be a trademark yet so right now I can restrict its copyright. But years later it may happen to be a recognized brand and to be a trademark, right? ;-) There should be a threshold of "up to N bytes/characters it is a trademark, but more than it it is a work to be copyrighted', right? DS> 'Trademark' is a _maker's mark._ The point is not encouraging the DS> creation of works (like copyright): The point is so that a maker/seller so 'Trademark' is ought to be nothing creative? But companies use to spend a lots to invent them... DS> can build a reputation with their customers. DS> DS> They are very different in terms, uses, and requirements. In theory it is DS> possible to hold both a trademark and a copyright on the same thing, but DS> it is hard. (You will likely fail applicability tests for one or the DS> other.) It is of course possible to put a trademark on something you've DS> copyrighted, so people know who created it. DS> DS> Daniel T. Staal DS> DS> --------------------------------------------------------------- DS> This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you DS> are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use DS> the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will DS> expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, DS> whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of DS> local copyright law. DS> --------------------------------------------------------------- DS> DS> _______________________________________________ DS> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list DS> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions DS> To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 18:45:20 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A1F106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy1-pub.bluehost.com [66.147.249.253]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BE3418FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:45:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 26182 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jun 2011 18:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2011 18:45:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gjK7RxlVKqluyUXeFr+zqb1gGTHoZycpHeaE+u3RaBiAnvAiwdLEpNOE57dKZuo1kYLyScGAKP7oM86dDjseK8PKvkY6nSwpAPzSSLOs9NfHPCtdYcErnG7873Xe4hs9; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXHZ7-0003Gj-Sl for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:45:19 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:30:07 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:30:07 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616183007.GA68867@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:45:20 -0000 --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > >=20 > > unix is a trademark of novell.com. >=20 > Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: > http://www.unix.org/ In case it was lost in the informative explanations of others, here's the short version: * UNIX is a trademark of the Open Group. Unix is not. * The UNIX source code's copyright is held by . . . damn. It keeps changing. I remember that it was once owned by Novell, but I think they might have sold it after the whole SCO fiasco. FreeBSD uses BSD Unix source, not SysV Unix source, both of which are descended from original AT&T UNIX source -- but the BSD Unix source is distributed under the BSD License, while the SysV Unix source copyright is tightly controlled under proprietary terms. For any of the above to be called UNIX, it must meet the Open Group's certification standards and (more importantly) have some certification fee paid, as I understand it. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk36S68ACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKUKBgCgtaMgenMxFziwXEy3Q+ka8rBp IvgAoNVTAVAU9w6kUDslJI/diepULker =OECy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 19:01:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8402F106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:01:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4C05F8FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:01:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 1421 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jun 2011 19:01:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2011 19:01:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=ntP8DsYH+4n486adZbssX0WQqi/IWDnYsFNyRWTuMQpuHsdUtfrBwZN3gAarpC3CYm+BAnQ93PQw/aaZJX9Rxy8f3UCSC9sMYd/175rAu7vA+O/KmE/L5MqfxH+VjJw1; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXHop-0001Yd-GN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 13:01:32 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:46:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 12:46:20 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:01:33 -0000 --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 10:20:11PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote: >=20 > But both are just words/phrases, right? Here's an example of the difference: UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, speaking about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, and so on. We just can't claim *we* own it, misapply it to things to which it does not legally apply, and so on (subject to some fair use exceptions, such as parodies). The source code of a closed source UNIX operating system such as HP-UX is not trademarked, because it is not an identifying mark. Because it is subject to copyright, if one of us has legally gained access to it, we cannot just post it all in its entirety to the mailing list (assuming that posting that much source to the list wasn't a problem in and of itself) without violating copyright laws of most industrialized countries -- regardless of what we said about it. The difference is that trademarks are used to identify some entity and its creations, while copyrights are used to censor the redistribution of creations themselves. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk36T3wACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXdZACePvuDddme5PQLCYbcZuRl9DyM WlYAoObdMAFf1gag0Za/IzvyZOhIa3YU =Zt60 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --JP+T4n/bALQSJXh8-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 19:21:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7920106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:21:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9039D8FC1D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:21:12 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay14.apple.com ([17.128.113.52]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPS id <0LMW00DIZAPXYD90@mail-out.apple.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:16:13 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7c00ae0000074fb-10-4dfa486d3402 Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (cswiger1.apple.com [17.209.4.71]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 8F.CD.29947.D684AFD4; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:16:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <8F88EB66-BE96-4465-82CF-AAED40B81458@forestinformatics.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:16:13 -0700 Message-id: <88601227-E755-4644-8A30-7A93E2041962@mac.com> References: <8F88EB66-BE96-4465-82CF-AAED40B81458@forestinformatics.com> To: Jeff Hamann X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: startup postgresql 9.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:21:12 -0000 On Jun 16, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Jeff Hamann wrote: > I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2. I gather this means running the database manually via "postgres -D /usr/local/pgsql/data" works normally? > As instructed in the script, I've moved the file to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql > > I've added the "postgresql_enable=YES" to /etc/rc/conf. Is /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql executable? What does "/usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql start" do? (If you don't get a useful answer, running it via sh -x might be more informative.) > Please don't respond with "Why don't you just use the ports collection?" There's reasons - like: 1) need to build from source, 3) it's for a tutorial, and 3) postgresql90-server isn't building. You've counted to three rather oddly there. Obviously, building from ports is building from source. I don't see how the first "3)" is relevant, but the errors reported from the second "3)" might be more interesting. Regard, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 19:21:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C02B1065670 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:21:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF68B8FC22 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [188.72.240.53]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D29F15CC5 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:58:00 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:21:34 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:21:45 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 12:46:20 -0600 Chad Perrin => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : CP> > But both are just words/phrases, right? CP> CP> Here's an example of the difference: Good example, it's on-topic ;-) CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, speaking Do we need a license to use it? ;-) CP> about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, and CP> so on. We just can't claim *we* own it, misapply it to things to which So it's just enough to reserve a copyright on this word usage and we will have just another reason why we can't claim we own it ;-) Sorry my confusion, it's just a new thing to me and it seems as absurd as those ideas. CP> it does not legally apply, and so on (subject to some fair use CP> exceptions, such as parodies). CP> CP> The source code of a closed source UNIX operating system such as HP-UX is CP> not trademarked, because it is not an identifying mark. Because it is CP> subject to copyright, if one of us has legally gained access to it, we CP> cannot just post it all in its entirety to the mailing list (assuming CP> that posting that much source to the list wasn't a problem in and of CP> itself) without violating copyright laws of most industrialized CP> countries -- regardless of what we said about it. CP> CP> The difference is that trademarks are used to identify some entity and CP> its creations, while copyrights are used to censor the redistribution of CP> creations themselves. CP> CP> -- CP> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 19:32:51 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2245106567E for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:32:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71DC18FC18 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (unknown [199.30.136.111]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DFAF5B0D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:09:07 +0400 (MSD) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:32:40 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616193240.GQ5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616183007.GA68867@guilt.hydra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110616183007.GA68867@guilt.hydra> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:32:51 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 12:30:07 -0600 Chad Perrin => To freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : CP> * The UNIX source code's copyright is held by . . . damn. It keeps I always told this name is a kind of Black Label. Companies to hold it use to meet fatal troubles, even if it's not a trademark ownership, e. g., in the case of Sun. CP> For any of the above to be called UNIX, it must meet the Open Group's CP> certification standards and (more importantly) have some certification CP> fee paid, as I understand it. I believe Linus, on some stage, wouldn't refuse to certify his 'minix clone' in the case it was for free. In his 'Just for fun' he tells he was following by Solaris specs, so the well-known truth he started it from scratch may appear to be not the all the truth in terms of legacy? Anyway the price of 'unix certification' service from the open group seem to be deeper than I can challenge, is it normal? Meanwhile, the same thing from LMI, the 'sublicensing' of the trademarks, even up to internet domains required in certain cases, seem to be paid in certain cases but there is no price I can find. What a dark forest is all that legal thing... 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 19:45:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88949106566C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:45:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8EC8FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:45:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5GJjUKL005892; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:45:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:45:33 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:45:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:45:30 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:45:31 -0000 At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >Jack L. Stone wrote: > >The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either of >the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These >can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: > >accf_http_load="YES" >accf_data_load="YES" > > Mike Mike: Got the apache22 configured on the test server with one exception being the error I keep getting regarding this one: "[warn] (22)Invalid argument: Failed to enable the 'httpready' Accept Filter" I first loaded it in the kernel via kldload: # kldload accf_http The first apache22 restart didn't have the error, but returned on other restarts. Can't seem to unload the line from the kernel and add to the boot loader.conf. What did I do wrong? Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 19:47:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60DF91065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:47:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05438FC18 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXIXZ-0003eL-VK for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:47:45 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:47:45 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:47:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:48:10 -0400 Lines: 85 Message-ID: References: <8F88EB66-BE96-4465-82CF-AAED40B81458@forestinformatics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: startup postgresql 9.0.3 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:47:48 -0000 Jeff Hamann wrote: > I've installed and tested postgresql just fine on FreeBSD 8.2. > > I've been trying to get postgresql (the server) to start on bootup using > /etc/rc.conf system. Sometime quite a while back FreeBSD imported the rc.subr startup subsystem from NetBSD. > I'm using the script from the tarball (found in the > contrib/start-scripts/freebsd of postreges tarball) This script is not in rc.subr format, looks a tad "Linuxy" at first glance. > I can't seem to get it to work on FreeBSD 8.2 amd64 (I don't think the > arch is important here, but you never know). > > As instructed in the script, I've moved the file to > /usr/local/etc/rc.d/postgresql This is definitely the right location. There are some instructions on a couple of other things to look at first in the ports build output. These can be examined in the port directory for clues. > I've added the "postgresql_enable=YES" to /etc/rc/conf. As a non rc.subr script it will never pick up this variable. > I know I'm missing some magic here > (http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/rc- scripting/index.html > perhaps?) > > I've /usr/local/pgsql/bin./postgres --help'd too and can't seem to get > traction. If everything else seems OK, like you can start it without the script and all you need to do is convert the script over so it will start with boot, look over the port patchset and some of the other startup scripts. It's not too difficult once you see how the other rc.subr scripts are put together. I thought a sysvinit script would still work as a fallback as long as it was marked executable, and perhaps with a .sh at the end. I remember needing the .sh for a while and discovering they were supposed to work anyway without it. Upon investigation that turned out to be something I missed/ignored with mergemaster during a system update. Maybe this has fallen by the wayside. > Can you please help? I'm sure this is something simple I'm neglecting. I'm pretty "simple" myself. If I can install it with the ports system where all the hard stuff has been handled for me by people smarter than me, well, that's a no-brainer. :-) > Please don't respond with "Why don't you just use the ports collection?" My first inclination. Postgresql is a fairly complicated thing and using the ports to install it "makes it go". Too many other pressing issues... > There's reasons - like: > 1) need to build from source Uhmmm - ports build from source. > 3) it's for a tutorial - non-sequitur > 3) postgresql90-server isn't building. I would be more concerned by this. I just went to the postgresql90-server port and it built just fine. If it isn't for you it indicates other problems with your system. Another thing you'll find eventually, that when you don't use the ports system maintenance will soon become a nightmare. As a sysadmin I make it a point to not shoot myself in the foot. Building stuff from tarballs is for the birds from a sysadmins point of view. It's called: "Ready! Fire! Aim!" -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 19:57:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 308071065789 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:57:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from reko.turja@liukuma.net) Received: from www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [IPv6:2001:470:28:38a::1]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0208FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:57:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from www.liukuma.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F51A1CC8D; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:57:31 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net 6F51A1CC8D DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=liukuma.net; s=liukudkim; t=1308254251; bh=frWoIE76lgDblVkIIVGdOwrqo/CFwJorKNtnCOxtQ70=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; z=X-Virus-Scanned:=20amavisd-new=20at=20liukuma.net|X-DKIM:=20Sendm ail=20DKIM=20Filter=20v2.8.3=20www.liukuma.net=20E19D41CC8B|Messag e-ID:=20<64E159B46D2F45719E520B4054D1A955@rivendell>|From:=20"Reko =20Turja"=20|To:=20"Michael=20Powell"=20,=0D=0A=09,=0 D=0A=09"Jack=20L.=20Stone"=20|References: =20<64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCF EFD1@d3photography.com><3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-amer ican.com><3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0. 1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.201106150 90401.0181fea8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8 @sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american .com><3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32 .20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.2011061519185 8.018e54e0@sage-american.com><64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1 @d3photography.com><85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell><3. 0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com><0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell><3.0.1.32 .20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com>=20<3.0.1.32.2011061614 4533.0196a408@sage-american.com>|In-Reply-To:=20<3.0.1.32.20110616 144533.0196a408@sage-american.com>|Subject:=20Re:=20Another=20PHP5 =20problem|Date:=20Thu,=2016=20Jun=202011=2022:57:31=20+0300|MIME- Version:=201.0|Content-Type:=20text/plain=3B=0D=0A=09format=3Dflow ed=3B=0D=0A=09charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=3B=0D=0A=09reply-type=3Dorigi nal|Content-Transfer-Encoding:=20quoted-printable|X-Priority:=203| X-MSMail-Priority:=20Normal|Importance:=20Normal|X-Mailer:=20Micro soft=20Windows=20Live=20Mail=2014.0.8117.416|X-MimeOLE:=20Produced =20By=20Microsoft=20MimeOLE=20V14.0.8117.416; b=f1t+Zdven4QkPSVC5fRHAjJbtngYQl2ibV/mZoEi9rW2DQh+gZMtkWD2BTWSu6yvS lrwvimFohssAZtAPis/VFiVyR4gHpHjnd3xbqAFi8eRZ4TWyjKa4avnVivXF3nRMwi 534RnAlmgll7SnVWoHf3H9ppSSklB2+jzKyvdrvI= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at liukuma.net Received: from www.liukuma.net ([127.0.0.1]) by www.liukuma.net (www.liukuma.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id KqUXTJFU6G9S; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:57:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from rivendell (a91-155-174-194.elisa-laajakaista.fi [91.155.174.194]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: ignatz@www.liukuma.net) by www.liukuma.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E19D41CC8B; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:57:24 +0300 (EEST) X-DKIM: Sendmail DKIM Filter v2.8.3 www.liukuma.net E19D41CC8B Message-ID: <64E159B46D2F45719E520B4054D1A955@rivendell> From: "Reko Turja" To: "Michael Powell" , , "Jack L. Stone" References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com><3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com><3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com><64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com><85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell><3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com><0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell><3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:57:31 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:57:33 -0000 >>The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use=20 >>either of >>the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic.=20 >>These >>can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: >> >>accf_http_load=3D"YES" >>accf_data_load=3D"YES" You can also build the modules into kernel itself with: #Apache kernel modules options ACCEPT_FILTER_HTTP options ACCEPT_FILTER_DATA I reckon that the thing you are missing is kernel rebuild and=20 reinstall. -Reko=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 20:12:15 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B8D106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:12:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90E158FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:12:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXIvE-0000pW-P9 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:12:12 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:12:12 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:12:12 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:12:38 -0400 Lines: 58 Message-ID: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:12:15 -0000 Jack L. Stone wrote: > At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >>Jack L. Stone wrote: >> >>The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use either >>of >>the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. These >>can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: >> >>accf_http_load="YES" >>accf_data_load="YES" >> >> Mike > > Mike: > > Got the apache22 configured on the test server with one exception being > the error I keep getting regarding this one: > > "[warn] (22)Invalid argument: Failed to enable the 'httpready' Accept > Filter" > > I first loaded it in the kernel via kldload: > # kldload accf_http > > The first apache22 restart didn't have the error, but returned on other > restarts. Can't seem to unload the line from the kernel and add to the > boot loader.conf. What did I do wrong? > The /boot/loader.conf is just a text file that you add lines of text. It is read and stuff done only at boot. When these modules are loaded at boot you do not need to kldload them. Nearest thing I can figure is they need to be loaded at boot, then Apache gets started right after. When this sequence applies there will not be these messages. For a server that stays up and online all the time this is not a problem. The only time I've ever seen this error is on apachectl restarts at times other than booting. And I don't really know why either. Strictly speaking these thing are not required, they are only supposedly some small performance enhancer. I have also never seen Apache actually fail or exhibit any problems even in spite of this error message. But I don't apachectl restart (or reboot for that matter) very often. You could just as easily forgo this, e.g. not load the kernel modules and leave the Include etc/apache22/Includes/*.conf line in your httpd.conf and never notice any difference. This will load the no-accf.conf files from the includes directory and tell Apache not to look for these modules. Whether and/or how much these actually help Apache is probably debatable. They are supposed to be helpful performance-wise, but as to how much I couldn't say. But I have never seen this error/warning message actually be related to any problem, and since I don't reboot or restart all the time I don't get them. You could just as easily forego using them and probably never notice. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 20:13:42 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC9A11065672 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:13:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70BBE8FC1E for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:13:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5GKDf9r006581; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:13:41 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110616151344.027f64f8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:13:44 -0500 To: "Reko Turja" , "Michael Powell" , From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <64E159B46D2F45719E520B4054D1A955@rivendell> References: <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:13:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:13:42 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=-10.00 required=4.50 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (-10.0 points, 4.5 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -0.0 SHORTCIRCUIT Not all rules were run, due to a shortcircuited rule | -10 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:13:42 -0000 At 10:57 PM 6/16/2011 +0300, Reko Turja wrote: >>>The no-accf.conf under includes is for if you do not desire to use >>>either of >>>the AcceptFilter choices, one for httpd the other for SSL traffic. >>>These >>>can be loaded as kernel modules in /boot/loader.conf as such: >>> >>>accf_http_load="YES" >>>accf_data_load="YES" > >You can also build the modules into kernel itself with: > >#Apache kernel modules >options ACCEPT_FILTER_HTTP >options ACCEPT_FILTER_DATA > >I reckon that the thing you are missing is kernel rebuild and >reinstall. > >-Reko > Hi, Reko: Was hoping to avoid that, but really no biggie. Thanks! Jack (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 21:25:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF981065670 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:25:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9A68FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:25:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC351E1E6; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:25:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5GLPJ2K004175; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:25:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:25:18 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Warren Block Message-Id: <20110616232518.5ce67aab.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <20110616062806.GA5194@thought.org> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Gary Kline , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: OT: printer, our cups port, and is-there-a-generic-laser? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:25:23 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 07:00:30 -0600 (MDT), Warren Block wrote: > Also, see "lpd Printing With FreeBSD" > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/lpdprinting.html It's worth mentioning that real office printers (those that come with Ethernet) traditionally contain their own "lpd subsystem", so you can submit printing jobs directly into the printer and manipulate _that_ queue using the system's lp* tools. This is very comfortable when you have more than one computer in the house. You don't need to mess with silly "drivers", you simply point to the printer's IP. Yes, it _is_ that simple. Now all PCs in the (home) network can send their jobs directly into the printer. Another point is that office hardware, if old enough, lasts nearly forever. I know that my experience is very limited, but the HP Laserjet 4 which I do own for nearly 20 years now is the best example. I got it as a used (!) printer, so I can't tell what the former owner did to it. I did excessively use that printer for many years now, and it is STILL WORKING. I can even get spare parts for that old device if needed. But go ahead, buy a "cheap" USB inkpee printer, and we'll discuss in 20 years if it is still working. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 21:32:02 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30841065673 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:32:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48248FC16 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:32:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F9D1E0DC; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:32:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5GLVwbC004314; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:32:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:31:58 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Peter Vereshagin Message-Id: <20110616233158.ac5ea42d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:32:03 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:29:42 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > Lawyers are so lawyers ;-) Two lawyers, three opinions. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 21:56:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E85106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3F68FC15 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110616211036.XEGD17030.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:10:36 -0400 Received: from dell64 ([72.220.91.219]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id wlAb1g00m4jy6EY04lAbTe; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:10:35 -0400 X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4DFA714C.000D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SPmPLnc/YPzADk30Gyv1IeI7DxEcAgWbYPJMz2yeYQM= c=1 sm=1 a=psGcP66QiRcA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:17 a=FRAN3z_KNnB9zMti78sA:9 a=Vsz6ik2fFBHHgstyK_YA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:10:30 -0700 From: Robert To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:08 -0000 Greetings I have a strange problem with memory on one of my computers. I have recently converted this computer to a NAS server. It is an Asus A8N-VM MB running freenas amd64. I have 4 one Gig memory sticks installed and as well as I can remember, it had always seen the 4 Gig of RAM. Most recently I had 9 current installed. The problem is not with freenas as it is absolutely hardware. I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. Quickly subtracting 960 from 1024 gets 64 MB missing. Hmmm, perhaps an address lead or data lead on the MB is open. This I can understand, but using any finagling factors I can think of, I can't get close to the missing total of 1344 MB (4096-2752). The freenas system runs quite well with the available memory but I was wondering if anyone could help me understand this problem. Thank you for reading this and i hope you are having a great day. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 22:11:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31911106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (bramley.apple.com [17.151.62.49]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F1D8FC0A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:11:22 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay12.apple.com ([17.128.113.53]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPS id <0LMW00CJRLL28LY0@mail-out.apple.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:11:22 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807135-b7b76ae000001169-a7-4dfa7fdf76a1 Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (cswiger1.apple.com [17.209.4.71]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay12.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id B8.78.04457.FDF7AFD4; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:12:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:11:22 -0700 Message-id: <110DEE0E-92A6-4202-B072-0EC5104B839E@mac.com> References: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> To: Robert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrMLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUieJHFXfd+/S9fg68rNSxeft3EYjHhyWN2 ByaPgxMOMnrM+DSfJYApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugStjxtu/bAVPWCt+tv9ka2DczdLFyMkhIWAi cevhJSYIW0ziwr31bF2MXBxCArOYJFY+WAxWJCxgJLF2xw9WEJtXwFBi6aZ2dhCbWUBL4sa/ l2DNbAIqEotn/WcGsTkFdCXWTLwKVs8ioCrRvOUGI0S9s8SXf+9YIWx5ie1v5zBDzLSS+H1y G9gcIQEdiU2dbWDzRQQUJCbufQ0U5wA6TlaiaVnGBEb+WUiumIXkillIpi5gZF7FKFiUmpNY aWikl1hQkJOql5yfu4kRFHQNhaY7GB8tVD/EKMDBqMTD62j9y1eINbGsuDL3EKMEB7OSCO+p 3z99hXhTEiurUovy44tKc1KLDzFKc7AoifO+ve/pKySQnliSmp2aWpBaBJNl4uCUamAM2LLI /wKv1+yQT31qeut1Hoexxk1ePaWjWoapzydlvsZCf4tlDmv/152Stz3P6qXkyMpsnhrTyPlE pXri2yk8v9bMvLuPebLelNied5eLQve6MYv/TebJSNvo8dxWySLm1yyddapsMR3Xr55VC2r8 PsexNSjnRN2ZhbrL17P9TmB16pMPWK/EUpyRaKjFXFScCACvHrCONgIAAA== Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:11:23 -0000 On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Robert wrote: > I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. > When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of > RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, > BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. Sounds like the BIOS is stealing 64MB for video RAM. There's likely a BIOS setting which governs the size of this. As for not being able to access all 4GB, this is a FAQ. If you run a 32-bit system, the top gigabyte or so of address space is reserved for memory mapped I/O reservations like AGP, PCIe, etc. If your hardware is capable of running in 64-bit mode, do that. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 22:11:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74E61065675 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:11:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Ggatten@waddell.com) Received: from mailhost1.waddell.com (mailhost1.waddell.com [67.130.252.46]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2DDC8FC13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:11:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (mailhost2.waddell.com [10.1.10.30]) by mailhost1.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADD150D94 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:11:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from emlpfilt2.waddell.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id BDE092F8003 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:11:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com (wadphtcas0.waddell.com [192.168.203.229]) by emlpfilt2.waddell.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76E42F8002 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:11:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from WADPMBXV0.waddell.com ([169.254.1.163]) by WADPHTCAS0.waddell.com ([192.168.203.229]) with mapi; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:11:25 -0500 From: Gary Gatten To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:11:24 -0500 Thread-Topic: Strange memory reading (hardware) Thread-Index: AcwscGHl4xcOggScSyOE1C3+ywCLrAAAePtQ Message-ID: <25954_1308262285_4DFA7F8D_25954_172_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C547@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> In-Reply-To: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Subject: RE: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:11:27 -0000 It's quite simple really, it's another hidden tax - "Redistribution of RAM"= . You see, even with all the entitlement programs "poor" people can't affo= rd more than 512MB of RAM. As you are certainly aware that's not enough to= watch YouTube and Hulu on their government funded (tax payer funded) ultra= high speed internet connections. So, the government has taken some of you= r RAM (as you obviously can afford to buy more if needed) and will give it = to those who really NEED it - so while they sit around collecting governmen= t aid (tax payer earnings) their streaming video's will play smoothly. Woa - I guess I digressed a bit... Ummm, sorry - I don't know why this would be. Is there some memory mapped = video (or disk controller?) stealing RAM? G -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 4:11 PM To: freebsd-questions@ Subject: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) Greetings=20 I have a strange problem with memory on one of my computers. I have recently converted this computer to a NAS server. It is an Asus A8N-VM MB running freenas amd64. I have 4 one Gig memory sticks installed and as well as I can remember, it had always seen the 4 Gig of RAM. Most recently I had 9 current installed. The problem is not with freenas as it is absolutely hardware.=20 I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. Quickly subtracting 960 from 1024 gets 64 MB missing. Hmmm, perhaps an address lead or data lead on the MB is open. This I can understand, but using any finagling factors I can think of, I can't get close to the missing total of 1344 MB (4096-2752). The freenas system runs quite well with the available memory but I was wondering if anyone could help me understand this problem. Thank you for reading this and i hope you are having a great day. Robert _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 22:20:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D70106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:20:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC8A8FC14 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:20:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2AE1A40; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:43 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Peter Vereshagin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:20:45 -0000 --As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to have said: > CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, > speaking > > Do we need a license to use it? ;-) According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As long as we don't claim we own it, and only *referring* to the company who does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to identify. I don't need a license to talk about Peter Vershagain, as long as I don't claim that *I* am Peter Vershagain. ;) If I wanted to say that something I was selling was something you had made or endorsed, I'd want to pay you for a licence to use your name in that context. Your name isn't copyrighted: Anyone can copy it. But we can't *claim* it. > CP> about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, > and CP> so on. We just can't claim *we* own it, misapply it to things to > which > > So it's just enough to reserve a copyright on this word usage and we will > have just another reason why we can't claim we own it ;-) > > Sorry my confusion, it's just a new thing to me and it seems as absurd as > those ideas. It's extremely hard to claim a copyright on a single word: You have to meet an orgininality requirement that a single word is going to have trouble meeting. A longer work, a story or a section of code, is much more original, so you can take out a copyright on it. This means you have the right to say who can and cannot make copies. (Mostly cannot...) But if you give someone the right to make a copy, they still can't say that *you* made that copy. (But they must say that the words are yours, unless you've given them the right to do otherwise.) (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) A trademark is a mark: It marks a product as having come from a person or company. A copyright is a license/right: It allows you to control what other people do with your work. (Or some of it.) They are two very different, if somewhat confusing, things. Another example: If you wrote a program, you'd probably want to say who can sell it (or give it away) and under what conditions. That's copyright. (Even if your conditions are just 'don't take off my trademark'.) You'd probably also want people to know who wrote it, so you'd put your name on it. That's a trademark. Daniel T. Staal > CP> Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 22:47:49 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA616106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:47:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3DD8FC17 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:47:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22673CB98; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:47:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5GMljdF004563; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:47:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:47:45 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20110617004745.e5245e96.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Vereshagin , Daniel Staal Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:47:49 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:20:43 -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: > According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As > long as we don't claim we own it, and only *referring* to the company who > does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to > identify. That's correct, and you can see an evidence directly on the FreeBSD main web page: Based on BSD UNIX(R) This indicates that the name "UNIX" is a registered trademark (which is registered to its owner). > It's extremely hard to claim a copyright on a single word: You have to meet > an orgininality requirement that a single word is going to have trouble > meeting. There is another important term, but I'm not sure how to translate it properly. In German, it's "Schaffenshoehe", refering to the "level of work you put into creating it". This finalizes in patent law. To make sure nobody can make money out of "trivial patents", such as patenting the word "or" and forcing everybody to pay a license fee for using it, there is a certain barrier that prohibits copyright claims on "too simple things". > A longer work, a story or a section of code, is much more original, so you > can take out a copyright on it. This means you have the right to say who > can and cannot make copies. (Mostly cannot...) Correct, those are the "licensing terms" common to software licenses, but they basically apply everywhere where permissions to do something are granted, or vice versa. > But if you give someone > the right to make a copy, they still can't say that *you* made that copy. > (But they must say that the words are yours, unless you've given them the > right to do otherwise.) This topic is currently in the news in Germany: "Intellectual theft" - where you claim other's persons words (and work) to be your own, i. e. quoting without indicating so. > (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book is > often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) Interesting, never tought of that, but sounds obvious. > A trademark is a mark: It marks a product as having come from a person or > company. > > A copyright is a license/right: It allows you to control what other people > do with your work. (Or some of it.) > > They are two very different, if somewhat confusing, things. > > Another example: If you wrote a program, you'd probably want to say who > can sell it (or give it away) and under what conditions. That's copyright. > (Even if your conditions are just 'don't take off my trademark'.) > > You'd probably also want people to know who wrote it, so you'd put your > name on it. That's a trademark. Thanks for making this important difference clear. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 22:55:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0FA8106566B for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:55:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from "") Received: from rcsinet14.oracle.com (rcsinet14.oracle.com [148.87.113.126]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 754218FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:55:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com (rcsinet10.oracle.com [148.87.113.121]) by rcsinet14.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id p5GMLmlt024947 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:21:48 GMT Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id p5GMLjHe030573 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:21:47 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5GMLjlV006580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:21:45 GMT Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p5GMLesW006347 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:21:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6d220434-111e-4569-b23c-d0b27e107609@default> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: dave.segleau@oracle.com To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4DFA81FB.00C5:SCFMA922111,ss=1,fgs=0 Subject: Auto Reply: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 22:55:22 -0000 I am out of the office until June 20th. 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I will read and reply to your message when I get back to the of= fice.=20 If you need assistance with a Berkeley DB or Product Management issue while= I am away, please contact ashok.joshi@oracle.com.=20 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 23:02:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3DB5106564A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCAF28FC12 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110616230231.CHEM20516.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net>; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:02:31 -0400 Received: from dell64 ([72.220.91.219]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id wn2X1g0034jy6EY04n2XU9; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:02:31 -0400 X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020205.4DFA8B87.0040,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SPmPLnc/YPzADk30Gyv1IeI7DxEcAgWbYPJMz2yeYQM= c=1 sm=1 a=mJaSqCO6QmUA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:17 a=m_fZNAyMAAAA:8 a=4OBEuJWvQIkekT0qoRgA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=S7qQ22fCEL4A:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:02:25 -0700 From: Robert To: Gary Gatten , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110616160225.3d12900b@dell64> In-Reply-To: <9539_1308262171_4DFA7F1B_9539_135_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C545@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> References: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> <9539_1308262171_4DFA7F1B_9539_135_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C545@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:02:32 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:30 -0500 Gary Gatten wrote: > It's quite simple really, it's another hidden tax - "Redistribution > of RAM". You see, even with all the entitlement programs "poor" > people can't afford more than 512MB of RAM. As you are certainly > aware that's not enough to watch YouTube and Hulu on their government > funded (tax payer funded) ultra high speed internet connections. So, > the government has taken some of your RAM (as you obviously can > afford to buy more if needed) and will give it to those who really > NEED it - so while they sit around collecting government aid (tax > payer earnings) their streaming video's will play smoothly. What! I didn't even vote for those guys. :-) > > Woa - I guess I digressed a bit... > > Ummm, sorry - I don't know why this would be. Is there some memory > mapped video (or disk controller?) stealing RAM? > I guess I wasn't clear. Only 2752 MB is show during POST instead 0f 4096. It has always shown 4096 on this MB. Thanks for lighting up my day with the above humor. :-) Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 23:05:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB38E106566C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:05:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (fed1rmfepo103.cox.net [68.230.241.145]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B49228FC17 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110616230553.CJRW20516.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:05:53 -0400 Received: from dell64 ([72.220.91.219]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id wn5t1g0014jy6EY03n5t6c; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:05:53 -0400 X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4DFA8C51.002B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oT3NRLj0cCCNKj4i9nkMf6e5GpIIhKgkN3gTd9K8V1w= c=1 sm=1 a=6CniscRAF_AA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:17 a=n-kJSqksAAAA:8 a=fAv_9IoxZUNLNbFEInoA:9 a=Qm4_nvYG-X3WRy6Soi4A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:05:47 -0700 From: Robert To: Chuck Swiger Message-ID: <20110616160547.68a628e9@dell64> In-Reply-To: <110DEE0E-92A6-4202-B072-0EC5104B839E@mac.com> References: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> <110DEE0E-92A6-4202-B072-0EC5104B839E@mac.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:05:53 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:11:22 -0700 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Robert wrote: > > I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a > > time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of > > 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of > > the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one > > would expect. > > Sounds like the BIOS is stealing 64MB for video RAM. > There's likely a BIOS setting which governs the size of this. > > As for not being able to access all 4GB, this is a FAQ. > If you run a 32-bit system, the top gigabyte or so of address space is > reserved for memory mapped I/O reservations like AGP, PCIe, etc. > > If your hardware is capable of running in 64-bit mode, do that. > > Regards, Chuck Thanks for the reply. I should have been clearer. During POST only 2752 MB is shown. Also, I am running the amd64 version of freenas. As I said, I am 100% sure this is a MOBO hardware problem and I was just trying to compute the math. Robert From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 23:07:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E044F106567A for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105C18FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2088067fxm.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:07:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=wEki4wj9GxyG2SSCUBnm1LEXyhQqUJXNh7HhKS79ZfY=; b=gJ5n4F5FKPzFJJxQT/NdXRACbNcZbg8vcRXHj3W7u0jTwhHk1aIiBEbc72wtOAlxLa cVGoZAhYcy823tfrsHs5nsO/WPcKhgPXbEzc6eRnY/UVTi/K/CQMmtUjQr7e549ZSA3y v+bHFRLHxliIFc5q+MPBM/SU9WfUwQ3jVn/OM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=DfrfJGokMeLol4nvsbjOGKLi8GDfG4Kloil+S/Ri7B1lEULlZsmckCdiVLk0tfipkz GFKS9WmSWiHBlIpm54yyKIsDgXKbaZhuhjBF53m+3d1CMG3Tze4DDWPoJY6BQ3vL6bgX OaFKM/QqXoi9b0spvnsBRaSyqJSW1TdBd4NvE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.6.198 with SMTP id a6mr1686910faa.126.1308265649961; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:07:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.74.198 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:07:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <110DEE0E-92A6-4202-B072-0EC5104B839E@mac.com> References: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> <110DEE0E-92A6-4202-B072-0EC5104B839E@mac.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:07:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Chuck Swiger Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" , Robert Subject: Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:07:32 -0000 On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > As for not being able to access all 4GB, this is a FAQ. > If you run a 32-bit system, the top gigabyte or so of address space is > reserved for memory mapped I/O reservations like AGP, PCIe, etc. > > If your hardware is capable of running in 64-bit mode, do that. > If the issue is present at POST, then it's not related to the FAQ you are referring too. In that case, the only fix I'm aware of it to update the BIOS which isn't always possible. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 23:36:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5A3106567C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:36:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C85658FC0C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:36:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5GNa5tx010629; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:36:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:36:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106162336.p5GNa5tx010629@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, traveling08@cox.net In-Reply-To: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> Cc: Subject: Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:36:33 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jun 16 16:56:48 2011 > Return-Path: > Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (ns2.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.129]) > by mail2.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb2) with ESMTP id p5GLumlV010091 > for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:56:48 -0500 (CDT) > Received: from mx2.freebsd.org (mx2.freebsd.org [69.147.83.53]) > by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.3/rdb2) with ESMTP id p5GLudZT008266 > for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 16:56:39 -0500 (CDT) > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (hub.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::36]) > by mx2.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C936D1A7089; > Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:17 +0000 (UTC) > Received: from hub.freebsd.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD831065705; > Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:16 +0000 (UTC) > (envelope-from owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org) > Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) > by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23E85106564A > for ; > Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:08 +0000 (UTC) > (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) > Received: from fed1rmfepo102.cox.net (fed1rmfepo102.cox.net [68.230.241.144]) > by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3F68FC15 > for ; > Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:56:07 +0000 (UTC) > Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmfepo101.cox.net > (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id > <20110616211036.XEGD17030.fed1rmfepo101.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> > for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:10:36 -0400 > Received: from dell64 ([72.220.91.219]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp > id wlAb1g00m4jy6EY04lAbTe; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:10:35 -0400 > X-CT-Score: 0.00 > X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A02020A.4DFA714C.000D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 > X-CT-Spam: 0 > X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SPmPLnc/YPzADk30Gyv1IeI7DxEcAgWbYPJMz2yeYQM= > c=1 sm=1 a=psGcP66QiRcA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 > a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:17 a=FRAN3z_KNnB9zMti78sA:9 > a=Vsz6ik2fFBHHgstyK_YA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 > a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:117 > X-CM-Score: 0.00 > Authentication-Results: cox.net; none > Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:10:30 -0700 > From: Robert > To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" > Message-ID: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) > X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 > Precedence: list > List-Id: User questions > List-Unsubscribe: , > > List-Archive: > List-Post: > List-Help: > List-Subscribe: , > > Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Errors-To: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Status: R > > Greetings > > I have a strange problem with memory on one of my computers. I have > recently converted this computer to a NAS server. It is an Asus > A8N-VM MB running freenas amd64. I have 4 one Gig memory sticks > installed and as well as I can remember, it had always seen the 4 Gig > of RAM. Most recently I had 9 current installed. > > The problem is not with freenas as it is absolutely hardware. > > I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a time. > When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of 2752 MB of > RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of the four slots, > BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one would expect. > > Quickly subtracting 960 from 1024 gets 64 MB missing. Hmmm, perhaps an > address lead or data lead on the MB is open. This I can understand, but > using any finagling factors I can think of, I can't get close to the > missing total of 1344 MB (4096-2752). > > The freenas system runs quite well with the available memory but I was > wondering if anyone could help me understand this problem. > > Thank you for reading this and i hope you are having a great day. > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jun 16 23:44:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23057106566C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E418FC08 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:44:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4B2A5C; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:44:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 19:43:59 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Polytropon , FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <2C71AD88EB6F8A4BF72AEDFC@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <20110617004745.e5245e96.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617004745.e5245e96.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:44:01 -0000 --As of June 17, 2011 12:47:45 AM +0200, Polytropon is alleged to have said: >> (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book >> is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) > > Interesting, never tought of that, but sounds obvious. --As for the rest, it is mine. I should be careful with that one actually; It's fairly recent case law in the US that set that particular barrier. I can't guarantee that it's the case elsewhere in the world. In the USA, you have to do something more than just compile the data and present it in a simplistic fashion to gain a copyright. If you have an *interesting* sorting scheme that could do it, or if you add value some other way, but if all you've done are presented the basic facts, you haven't advanced the state of the art. (The other common case in the USA is road maps. A simple 'lines following their geographic contours, labeled' is a set of facts. One result of this is that most road maps in the US either are missing some minor roads, or have minor roads on them that don't exist. It makes them copyrightable.) Daniel T. 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 00:07:31 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F111106564A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:07:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@vereshagin.org) Received: from mx1.skyriver.ru (ns1.skyriver.ru [89.108.118.221]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5FB8FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:07:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (tor13.anonymizer.ccc.de [62.113.219.6]) by mx1.skyriver.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 349C85A87 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:43:43 +0400 (MSD) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400 From: Peter Vereshagin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Organization: ' X-Face: 8T>{1owI$Byj]]a; ^G]kRf*dkq>E-3':F>4ODP[#X4s"dr?^b&2G@'3lukno]A1wvJ_L(~u 6>I2ra/<,j1%@C[LN=>p#_}RIV+#:KTszp-X$bQOj,K Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:07:31 -0000 You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! 2011/06/16 18:20:43 -0400 Daniel Staal => To Peter Vereshagin : DS> > CP> UNIX, the name, is a trademark. We can use it all we like here, DS> > speaking DS> > DS> > Do we need a license to use it? ;-) DS> DS> According to what I recall of my 'business law for managers' classes: As DS> long as we don't claim we own it, And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay? > and only *referring* to the company who DS> does or it's products, no. It's an identifying mark: You can use it to DS> identify. No, I can't. I use 2 things: paper ID and a face. The difference is those are not the set of the bytes. But both the trademark and a copyrighted mnaterial are. Well, use to be. Is there a way to define what set of bytes can (or not) be the identification and/or copyrighted material? I supposed the length can be such a criteria, no? DS> I don't need a license to talk about Peter Vershagain, as long as I don't DS> claim that *I* am Peter Vershagain. ;) But who knows if you really are. I'm not, for example. ;) If you claim that you are, and I claim that I am not, which of us is presumed to prove the own point? DS> If I wanted to say that something I was selling was something you had made DS> or endorsed, I'd want to pay you for a licence to use your name in that DS> context. How is it possible to sell the what you do not have? And if you have it that means you hold it and it means you own it. For example, you can pass that as an inheritance and change that something according to your needs. Isn't it what the ownership is, by definition? DS> Your name isn't copyrighted: Anyone can copy it. But we can't *claim* it. Or what? Is my name that bad that we can't claim it? Is your name that same bad? what's the matter about my name, anyway? DS> > CP> about the UNIX trademark, its applicability, who owns the trademark, DS> > and CP> so on. We just can't claim *we* own it, misapply it to things to DS> > which DS> > DS> > So it's just enough to reserve a copyright on this word usage and we will DS> > have just another reason why we can't claim we own it ;-) DS> > DS> > Sorry my confusion, it's just a new thing to me and it seems as absurd as DS> > those ideas. DS> DS> It's extremely hard to claim a copyright on a single word: You have to meet DS> an orgininality requirement that a single word is going to have trouble DS> meeting. I believe Unix was such a word in 19[67]0s? How about that same 'Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg' from this thread? is it? How much the trouble must it be? What units it can be measured? For example, no any monkey of those performing typewriters theorem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem no any single monkey of them I believe shall not have any trouble at all with a task? DS> A longer work, a story or a section of code, is much more original, so you DS> can take out a copyright on it. But in scientific world, the cases are known when the whole theorems are being invented simultaneously. 'story or a section of code' is a somewhat less original. How much longer such a work must be? For example redskin Indians may had the one word or at least very few of them to mean the whole speech. There are many modern languages I believe with a very long words. German probably isn't the best instance to showcast but is a good hint. Why me again? I know I can not take out any right like this because it's never implemented in terms of reality for any single regular someone, although it's not a fiction for the big organizations but a nice tool to point and shoot. > This means you have the right to say who DS> can and cannot make copies. (Mostly cannot...) It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else I believe. > But if you give someone DS> the right to make a copy, they still can't say that *you* made that copy. Do you mean anyone cares about who exactly handmade everyday cosumerics? I mean why anyone should just care about who made the copy of the bytes from one place to another? This can be a machine, or a network of them, without any human intervention, by themselves. And they even can belong to absolutely nobody. Why not? DS> (But they must say that the words are yours, unless you've given them the DS> right to do otherwise.) Words themselves --- aren't they a national property? Those are my in the exact moment I use them, but it's only the right to use them, not the ownership, right? DS> (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book is DS> often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) So if 'roses are roses are roses' were written nowadays they could not been sold and thus become famous and thus to be a culture contribution? Is it of any good to be so restricted and morally poor like that? DS> A trademark is a mark: It marks a product as having come from a person or DS> company. Fiction. If product is unique then people use to mark it with different name(s) If it isn't but producer force the product to have its own name then it's a lie If it isn't and producer use it then trademark is not needed. Same about roses goes here, ain't it cool? ;-) DS> A copyright is a license/right: It allows you to control what other people DS> do with your work. (Or some of it.) Fioction too. Nothing allows me to control what other people do. And it's not only me to be able to allow. Rich and armored people are allowed, of course. But this is not because of the law. They can make the law to allow them do what they just use to do without it. But this is not because of the law. This is because those are powerful. DS> They are two very different, if somewhat confusing, things. And sound yet absurd imho. DS> Another example: If you wrote a program, you'd probably want to say who No I don't. It's just not important to me. Why should I want to? DS> can sell it (or give it away) and under what conditions. Sounds to me if I told a buyer how he/she must cook a potato that I sell. And restrict any other receipt to be used for it. I can add also that I can control and will reliably know the what they will do with my potato. People would find me crazy, run away and never buy from me. ;-) > That's copyright. Problem about legacy systems: the rights easily become a duties. No, thanks I don't want to take it out ;-) DS> (Even if your conditions are just 'don't take off my trademark'.) DS> DS> You'd probably also want people to know who wrote it, so you'd put your DS> name on it. That's a trademark. >From the what I can see on the software I issue I'm certain that nobody cares about the both. But I don't care about that nobody cares: that means everything works as needed ;-) Why should I ever care about my conditions and why should I want the people to know who wrote it? People should better know many better things than (god damn it) software and dedicate their time and memory on those. ;-) And, it's easy to be turned down from a privilege to a charge to face: for example, some of the code is as bad as porn and as immature as a child. So we can easily take its author and sue him/her due to a child porn. Profit in the sake of the state! Ain't it a good aim for every kind citizen... So as for me it's just no problem if you claim that code I release is yours. It's even cool: that means how much you like it. And, name it different way, please. That means if this code is a violation of the law than that differently named code is too. ;-) 73! Peter pgp: A0E26627 (4A42 6841 2871 5EA7 52AB 12F8 0CE1 4AAC A0E2 6627) -- http://vereshagin.org From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 00:23:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3848B106566B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:23:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-out.apple.com (mail-out.apple.com [17.151.62.51]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19CD08FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:23:52 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from relay14.apple.com ([17.128.113.52]) by mail-out.apple.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPS id <0LMW00FH7RRO8131@mail-out.apple.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:23:52 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11807134-b7c00ae0000074fb-07-4dfa9e981362 Received: from cswiger1.apple.com (cswiger1.apple.com [17.209.4.71]) (using TLS with cipher AES128-SHA (AES128-SHA/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay14.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id 9C.62.29947.89E9AFD4; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:23:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:23:52 -0700 Message-id: <67DF0936-3187-40E2-BF2D-2B13EB1C42D7@mac.com> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> To: Peter Vereshagin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:23:53 -0000 On Jun 16, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay > for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay? The FreeBSD Foundation is a non-profit organization which supports and represents the FreeBSD project. FreeBSD is a BSD Unix operating system; but it isn't Open Group certified UNIX(tm) primarily because people don't feel it's worth paying for such certification. [1] As for the rest of the commentary, it's drifting wildly off-topic. If you want legal advice, you need to talk to your lawyer, not to random folks on a mailing list who aren't qualified to practice law. Regards, -- -Chuck [1]: AIX, HP/UX, Mac OS X, and Solaris are the only certified UNIX(tm) 2003 platforms. None of the freely available BSDs (ie, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, and so forth) are certified UNIX. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 00:50:43 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F2D1065672 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:50:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5C28FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 868ED3CBCF; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 02:50:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5H0oenW004882; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 02:50:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 02:50:40 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Peter Vereshagin Message-Id: <20110617025040.fbbf4c8b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 00:50:43 -0000 On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > And does FreeBSD Foundation own its FreeBSD UNIX then? If it does, did it pay > for it? Does it certify its FreeBSD as a UNIX and how much does it pay? Basically, the main page says "based on", this states a fact and does not say anything about ownership or a certificate ("is a certified UNIX"). > Is there a way to define what > set of bytes can (or not) be the identification and/or copyrighted material? I > supposed the length can be such a criteria, no? I think basically you own the copyright about ANYTHING you create. In how far this is to be considered a "creational act at a certain level" is still debatable. > How is it possible to sell the what you do not have? In a licensing context, you don't sell something material. You give permission to do something, usually for a certain fee. So you could say you "sell the right to do something". Selling things you don't own... big business in banking and stock trade. :-) > And if you have it that means you hold it and it means you own it. Not neccessarily. Even if you have power over something, it doesn't imply that you own it (like a rental car), as just by having power over it it doesn't become one's property. > For example, you can pass that as an inheritance and change that something > according to your needs. Isn't it what the ownership is, by definition? Ownership focused on the creational act maybe (the changing). Wow, it gets complicated... :-) > I believe Unix was such a word in 19[67]0s? > How about that same 'Morphtkdlfgjfjdsksjfnmvmdkedkfjgjg' from this thread? is it? > How much the trouble must it be? What units it can be measured? For example, no > any monkey of those performing typewriters theorem: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem > > no any single monkey of them I believe shall not have any trouble at all with a > task? As soon as commercial interests enter the field, money talks. When you can use a name, even "as simple as UNIX", has the power to make the big bucks, control over it is important. > DS> A longer work, a story or a section of code, is much more original, so you > DS> can take out a copyright on it. > > But in scientific world, the cases are known when the whole theorems are being > invented simultaneously. In this world, the "winner" writes history, so inventions get attributed to the person who first made it public. > 'story or a section of code' is a somewhat less original. Depends on the story and the code. Of course, implementing a bubblesort algorithm in Java isn't any original, but still the coder owns the copyright for this portion of code. It's debatable in how far this code can be distinguished from example code, e. g. if he uses the same style and identifiers as in a public example. > There are many modern languages I believe with a very long words. German > probably isn't the best instance to showcast but is a good hint. It is. Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitaensmuetzenhalter. And you can construct even longer ones. In Russian, there's the most famous gOCTOnPNME4ATEJIbHOCTb (dostoprimetshatyelnost). > It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else I believe. Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't express OTHER's work as his own, as it is currently in the media in Germany - "honorable" academics (now politicians) got convicted having copied massive amounts (>50%) in their thesis, without STATING that they copied them (proper quoting with identification of the source). > I mean why anyone should just care about who made the copy of the bytes from > one place to another? The media industry cares a lot. As soon as they can profit from every byte copied, still stating that those are "their bytes"... > Words themselves --- aren't they a national property? Those are my in the exact > moment I use them, but it's only the right to use them, not the ownership, > right? I would say that as soon as you use words (that live in "public domain") to form your thoughts (which _you_ "own") into sentences, you will be attributed the creation of those sentences, so yes, I would even guess that this can be seen as an immaterial ownership. > DS> A trademark is a mark: It marks a product as having come from a person or > DS> company. > > Fiction. > If product is unique then people use to mark it with different name(s) Not neccessarily. If products are similar, people will use one stereotypic product name to address all products of that kind, just thing about the Walkman (which is a product by Sony), which got the "default name" for any portable cassette player. > Fioction too. Nothing allows me to control what other people do. And it's not > only me to be able to allow. > Rich and armored people are allowed, of course. But this is not because of the > law. They can make the law to allow them do what they just use to do without > it. But this is not because of the law. This is because those are powerful. Those people use the trick of "responsibility". This means they "take responsibility" for things that don't affect them theirselves, while others have to carry out their orders and have to live with the results. Basically, law is made by man. Not by "man in general" (everybody), but of a subset that thinks to be "responsible"... > DS> Another example: If you wrote a program, you'd probably want to say who > > No I don't. It's just not important to me. Why should I want to? Because you CAN - and in the same statement, you are free NOT to care about it. Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, considering today's software. On one hand, there is code without mentioning of author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the "rape me" BSD-style licenses, the "contribute back" GPL licenses, and proprietary EULAs that traditionally do not take code into mind, but restrict the users in what they are allowed to do with programs. Keep in mind that _those_ are not licenses as the previous ones - they are a _contract_ that you implicitely sign (by using, by opening the package, by buying the software or the like). It's _highly_ debatable in how far those kind of contract is legal in some places of the world. > Sounds to me if I told a buyer how he/she must cook a potato that I sell. And > restrict any other receipt to be used for it. I can add also that I can control > and will reliably know the what they will do with my potato. People would find > me crazy, run away and never buy from me. ;-) Oh, MICROS~1 seems to have big success with their EULAs that basically contain the same content as you just mentioned. :-) > From the what I can see on the software I issue I'm certain that nobody cares > about the both. But I don't care about that nobody cares: that means everything > works as needed ;-) Why should I ever care about my conditions and why should I > want the people to know who wrote it? This _may_ be interesting when it's about making money. However, there are licenses that exactly allow that (take for free, modify without telling anybody, selling under a new name). > People should better know many better > things than (god damn it) software and dedicate their time and memory on those. > ;-) People are 110% occupied with their software, how should they find time to use their brain? :-) > And, it's easy to be turned down from a privilege to a charge to face: for > example, some of the code is as bad as porn and as immature as a child. And to _not_ make that obvious, code is kept secret, and just the compiled results, wrapped in a shiny package with bells and whistles, is sold. :-) > So we > can easily take its author and sue him/her due to a child porn. In traditional EULAs (and in many free licenses, too), the author or the owner deny any responsibility for what their work might cause to others. It's "take it as is, or do NOT take it". > Profit in the > sake of the state! Ain't it a good aim for every kind citizen... It's the basis of whole econimical, social, financial and clerical societies... > So as for me it's just no problem if you claim that code I release is yours. If you _allow_ this (by not restricting the use with the means of usage or licensing terms), it's completely okay, valid, and legal. > It's even cool: that means how much you like it. And, name it different way, > please. That means if this code is a violation of the law than that differently > named code is too. ;-) This might get interesting if you release a new revolutionary cryptography framework in a country where the government doesn't like that the citizens keep things secret. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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TRAINING AIDS: Training Aids to be used include projector and screen, flip charts, magic boards, _____________________________ Unsubscribe / Change Profile: = http://ymlp167.net/u.php?id=3Dgewmweugsgejsyubguesu Powered by YourMailingListProvider From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 03:01:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957E2106566C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:01:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5672B8FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:01:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 21928 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2011 03:01:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2011 03:01:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=G+7CuDjD2Py3bDjEl2RdX4ccxEwuBMTSBdBUnI12iHE/WoXqGv8mScO7q4ResuUARg6/0zksBFaHK2uPCXRPf1gqwwP2ghuncTZB/EbZCdv+OFp5i26qsyo09BWv/6+R; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXPJH-0006yA-Fi for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:01:28 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:46:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 20:46:16 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110617024616.GA69974@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617004745.e5245e96.freebsd@edvax.de> <2C71AD88EB6F8A4BF72AEDFC@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2C71AD88EB6F8A4BF72AEDFC@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:01:29 -0000 --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 07:43:59PM -0400, Daniel Staal wrote: >=20 > (The other common case in the USA is road maps. A simple 'lines followin= g=20 > their geographic contours, labeled' is a set of facts. One result of thi= s=20 > is that most road maps in the US either are missing some minor roads, or= =20 > have minor roads on them that don't exist. It makes them copyrightable.) This tactic has been used by dictionary publishers as well. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk36v/gACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVXBwCg/Ror/FJ2M2RlzP7tYMK7jYFP XosAoKYzAxTJ0t581rXPjca7g7iAJvXD =eP0i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fdj2RfSjLxBAspz7-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 03:18:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3DA11065672 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:18:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy8-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.22.20]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 79CD38FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:18:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20950 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2011 03:18:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy8.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2011 03:18:28 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=G1siU/BqAvXjd3iTcSJ31nvcKUVKkUtXVinVEf//Bfn5VaHF1IxFVuzhtNhLzvOtbrZSoL0IvaKiIB+6EokWQt+BB/vIlfHRFPtGvhpUJG4p1tAi6IVoPDy+yQaN2ogn; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXPZj-0007xz-Jf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:18:28 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110617030316.GB69974@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> <20110617025040.fbbf4c8b.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110617025040.fbbf4c8b.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:18:29 -0000 --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > > > > It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else > > I believe. >=20 > Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't > express OTHER's work as his own, as it is currently in the media in > Germany - "honorable" academics (now politicians) got convicted having > copied massive amounts (>50%) in their thesis, without STATING that > they copied them (proper quoting with identification of the source). This is not really true. Plagiarism is not the focus of copyright; copying is. That's why it's called "copyright" (at least in English), and not "attributionright". There is, in fact, no law that specifically relates to attribution per se, at least in most countries. To deal with plagiarism, one must look at the specific case of plagiarism and see where the act requires running afoul of some other law as well. Fraud would be the most obvious case, except for the fact that in most jurisdictions one can generally only effectively pursue a fraud case if there is money involved in the act of fraud. Copyright itself is, absent any associated side-effects, reducible to one of two things (depending on perspective): monopoly or censorship. It is sometimes used to punish people who plagiarize, but only because it is often difficult to plagiarize something without copying and distributing it somehow. >=20 > Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, considering > today's software. On one hand, there is code without mentioning of > author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the "rape me" BSD-style > licenses, the "contribute back" GPL licenses, and proprietary EULAs > that traditionally do not take code into mind, but restrict the users > in what they are allowed to do with programs. I find this a particularly biased description. Would you like to rethink the phrasing "rape me" as a description of copyfree licensing terms as embodied in a BSD License? > > Keep in mind that _those_ are not licenses as the previous ones - they > are a _contract_ that you implicitely sign (by using, by opening the > package, by buying the software or the like). They're not really contracts unless you explicitly agree to them. Implicit "agreement" is a matter of licensing, because it depends on copyright law. Contracts only depend on other laws not prohibiting them. Organizations such as Microsoft, however, certainly do work hard to get the courts to accord the same enforceability as contracts to EULAs, but that does not mean they *are* contracts. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk36w/QACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWpfwCgouPQiFVt1T82mYZ4H1Dmbr39 OV4An2khFrAPh4UgiA2wVMmm4mHbJsIR =CbcC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0eh6TmSyL6TZE2Uz-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 03:38:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF84C1065695 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:38:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2558FC16 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:38:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE7E1E118; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:38:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5H3cgYM006037; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:38:42 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:38:42 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20110617053842.2ee905b9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110617030316.GB69974@guilt.hydra> References: <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> <20110617025040.fbbf4c8b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110617030316.GB69974@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:38:46 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:07:08 +0400, Peter Vereshagin wrote: > > > > > > It's just a matter of a freedom to speech to me. And to everyone else > > > I believe. > > > > Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone can't > > express OTHER's work as his own, as it is currently in the media in > > Germany - "honorable" academics (now politicians) got convicted having > > copied massive amounts (>50%) in their thesis, without STATING that > > they copied them (proper quoting with identification of the source). > > This is not really true. Plagiarism is not the focus of copyright; > copying is. That's why it's called "copyright" (at least in English), > and not "attributionright". There is, in fact, no law that specifically > relates to attribution per se, at least in most countries. To deal with > plagiarism, one must look at the specific case of plagiarism and see > where the act requires running afoul of some other law as well. > > Fraud would be the most obvious case, except for the fact that in most > jurisdictions one can generally only effectively pursue a fraud case if > there is money involved in the act of fraud. Copyright itself is, absent > any associated side-effects, reducible to one of two things (depending on > perspective): monopoly or censorship. It is sometimes used to punish > people who plagiarize, but only because it is often difficult to > plagiarize something without copying and distributing it somehow. Yes - fraud is exactly the word I was searching for. Sorry if I was cmp(apples, oranges); :-) > > Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, considering > > today's software. On one hand, there is code without mentioning of > > author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the "rape me" BSD-style > > licenses, the "contribute back" GPL licenses, and proprietary EULAs > > that traditionally do not take code into mind, but restrict the users > > in what they are allowed to do with programs. > > I find this a particularly biased description. Would you like to rethink > the phrasing "rape me" as a description of copyfree licensing terms as > embodied in a BSD License? It's not _my_ interpretation of the license. The term originates from the repeated discussion of "the BSD license being not free" with the counterposition that the BSD license is even _so_ free that it allows the "post-usage" of the material - i. e. take it for free, change it, give it another name, sell it for money. If a developer is FINE with this kind of "post-usage", he can use the BSD license. Luckily, developers can choose from many licenses, or write their own ones, so everyone will be satisfied according to his individual requirements. > > Keep in mind that _those_ are not licenses as the previous ones - they > > are a _contract_ that you implicitely sign (by using, by opening the > > package, by buying the software or the like). > > They're not really contracts unless you explicitly agree to them. > Implicit "agreement" is a matter of licensing, because it depends on > copyright law. As I said, it's _highly_ debatable if the EULAs as we know them do have _any_ value. How can you make an opinion about IF to sign a contract when you've signed it the moment you opened the box (in order to GET the contract)? > Contracts only depend on other laws not prohibiting them. Correct. That's why a contract cannot make the parties signing it "do unlawful things". But if no explicit laws exist... well, you can almost write _anything_ in the EULA, and if people do accept it, gotcha! > Organizations such as Microsoft, however, certainly do work hard to get > the courts to accord the same enforceability as contracts to EULAs, but > that does not mean they *are* contracts. Finally, court decisions (at least in Germany) are _individual_ decisions. Different judge, different statement. EULAs go hand in hand with mass licensing and support contracts, traditionally targeted at governments and "big business" that run legal departments where the lawyers express what they are told. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 03:51:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4324D1065670 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:51:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.55.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F0CA8FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:51:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8607 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2011 03:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2011 03:51:06 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=c1yiEX+DK7TEu7R5HLLLIH96D5aElbLJSW+hfgjWwcwfP+LgJW168Zh2dncw1aDnF1gtNEeKT+/TEHJd7aW7quz6cBxx/AAS+Bo4Q0skn+AoiFxkaaYKd0TkEIx1RzUs; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXQ5J-0005G3-Gp for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:51:06 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110617033554.GA70298@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> <20110617025040.fbbf4c8b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110617030316.GB69974@guilt.hydra> <20110617053842.2ee905b9.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110617053842.2ee905b9.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 03:51:07 -0000 --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after my name. I would appreciate it if you would configure your mail user agent to no longer do this, for not only my sake but that of others who would probably like to see archives that strip such information from headers before publicly posting them actually do some good. When the email address also appears in the text of the email because your mail user agent is adding it in, you are creating a crop of victims for spam email list spiders to reap. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:38:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > >=20 > > > Copyright and ownership of creation just makes sure that someone > > > can't express OTHER's work as his own, as it is currently in the > > > media in Germany - "honorable" academics (now politicians) got > > > convicted having copied massive amounts (>50%) in their thesis, > > > without STATING that they copied them (proper quoting with > > > identification of the source). > >=20 > > This is not really true. Plagiarism is not the focus of copyright; > > copying is. That's why it's called "copyright" (at least in > > English), and not "attributionright". There is, in fact, no law that > > specifically relates to attribution per se, at least in most > > countries. To deal with plagiarism, one must look at the specific > > case of plagiarism and see where the act requires running afoul of > > some other law as well. > >=20 > > Fraud would be the most obvious case, except for the fact that in > > most jurisdictions one can generally only effectively pursue a fraud > > case if there is money involved in the act of fraud. Copyright > > itself is, absent any associated side-effects, reducible to one of > > two things (depending on perspective): monopoly or censorship. It is > > sometimes used to punish people who plagiarize, but only because it > > is often difficult to plagiarize something without copying and > > distributing it somehow. >=20 > Yes - fraud is exactly the word I was searching for. Sorry if I was > cmp(apples, oranges); :-) Glad we cleared that up, then. > > > > > > Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, > > > considering today's software. On one hand, there is code without > > > mentioning of author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the > > > "rape me" BSD-style licenses, the "contribute back" GPL licenses, > > > and proprietary EULAs that traditionally do not take code into > > > mind, but restrict the users in what they are allowed to do with > > > programs. > >=20 > > I find this a particularly biased description. Would you like to rethi= nk > > the phrasing "rape me" as a description of copyfree licensing terms as > > embodied in a BSD License? >=20 > It's not _my_ interpretation of the license. The term originates from > the repeated discussion of "the BSD license being not free" with the > counterposition that the BSD license is even _so_ free that it allows > the "post-usage" of the material - i. e. take it for free, change it, > give it another name, sell it for money. If a developer is FINE with > this kind of "post-usage", he can use the BSD license. >=20 > Luckily, developers can choose from many licenses, or write their own > ones, so everyone will be satisfied according to his individual > requirements. Unlike choices in software (a matter purely of preference), I find too many choices of licensing problematic. Just one reason among several for my perspective is that of hindering further advancement of the state of the art, as explained here: Code Reuse and Technological Advancement http://blogstrapping.com/?page=3D2011.060.00.28.21 > >=20 > > They're not really contracts unless you explicitly agree to them. > > Implicit "agreement" is a matter of licensing, because it depends on > > copyright law. >=20 > As I said, it's _highly_ debatable if the EULAs as we know them do have > _any_ value. How can you make an opinion about IF to sign a contract > when you've signed it the moment you opened the box (in order to GET > the contract)? They have plenty of value to those who wish to have the power to force others to "agree" to terms to which they would never, if they were aware of them, agree. > > > > Contracts only depend on other laws not prohibiting them. >=20 > Correct. That's why a contract cannot make the parties signing it "do > unlawful things". But if no explicit laws exist... well, you can almost > write _anything_ in the EULA, and if people do accept it, gotcha! Now you're mixing up EULAs and contracts again. EULAs are licenses. They are not contracts, specifically because there is no explicit agreement prior to they (presumably) apply. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk36y5oACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVGZgCfRQ4wCzsVbknEkn1mKNSV1rw8 G3oAoIXiE7wET6OFaCMglcdFC2wbeTQX =t0SZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --OgqxwSJOaUobr8KG-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 04:14:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A5C1065674 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:14:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DDA48FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B41E1DFC9; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:14:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5H4E3ds006210; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:14:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:14:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Chad Perrin Message-Id: <20110617061403.4f8de5b9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110617033554.GA70298@guilt.hydra> References: <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> <20110617025040.fbbf4c8b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110617030316.GB69974@guilt.hydra> <20110617053842.2ee905b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110617033554.GA70298@guilt.hydra> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:14:05 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' email > addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately following > this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was included after > my name. I would appreciate it if you would configure your mail user > agent to no longer do this, for not only my sake but that of others who > would probably like to see archives that strip such information from > headers before publicly posting them actually do some good. When the > email address also appears in the text of the email because your mail > user agent is adding it in, you are creating a crop of victims for spam > email list spiders to reap. Thanks for the advice, I've just made the setting (I'm using the Sylpheed MUA). I didn't pay much attention to that (although I'm aware of the topic) as mailing list publishing systems put in the "From:" datafield (directed at the list) automatically, so all the names and addresses are already in there. I will keep that setting as it sounds the right thing to do. Other possibly needed information (like addresses) are in the mail header anyway. > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:38:42AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:03:16 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 02:50:40AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > > > > Software publishing and licensing terms are very different, > > > > considering today's software. On one hand, there is code without > > > > mentioning of author, copyright or ownership. Then there is the > > > > "rape me" BSD-style licenses, the "contribute back" GPL licenses, > > > > and proprietary EULAs that traditionally do not take code into > > > > mind, but restrict the users in what they are allowed to do with > > > > programs. > > > > > > I find this a particularly biased description. Would you like to rethink > > > the phrasing "rape me" as a description of copyfree licensing terms as > > > embodied in a BSD License? > > > > It's not _my_ interpretation of the license. The term originates from > > the repeated discussion of "the BSD license being not free" with the > > counterposition that the BSD license is even _so_ free that it allows > > the "post-usage" of the material - i. e. take it for free, change it, > > give it another name, sell it for money. If a developer is FINE with > > this kind of "post-usage", he can use the BSD license. > > > > Luckily, developers can choose from many licenses, or write their own > > ones, so everyone will be satisfied according to his individual > > requirements. > > Unlike choices in software (a matter purely of preference), I find too > many choices of licensing problematic. Just one reason among several for > my perspective is that of hindering further advancement of the state of > the art, as explained here: > > Code Reuse and Technological Advancement > http://blogstrapping.com/?page=2011.060.00.28.21 Interesting article, and helpful for further argumentation. Thank you! Exactly my point of view. Bookmarked. > > > Contracts only depend on other laws not prohibiting them. > > > > Correct. That's why a contract cannot make the parties signing it "do > > unlawful things". But if no explicit laws exist... well, you can almost > > write _anything_ in the EULA, and if people do accept it, gotcha! > > Now you're mixing up EULAs and contracts again. EULAs are licenses. The part "LA" in EULA means "license agreement", so I assume this indicates that I have to agree to something, and an agreement between two parties is a... contract. The vendor allows me to do certain things with the software _if_ I agree to the terms. If I do _not_, I am not legally allowed to use the software, will loose warranty or am even forced to return the whole computer system. Keep in mind that I'm not a lawyer and may therefore cultivate just one opinion about one topic (instead of two opinions). :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 04:23:32 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB16B106564A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:23:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374998FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5H4NRjJ098974; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:23:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:23:27 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Staal References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:23:32 -0000 2011-06-16 19:36, Daniel Staal skrev: > > On Thu, June 16, 2011 12:20 pm, Peter Vereshagin wrote: >> You can't take no for an answer, freebsd-questions! >> 2011/06/16 11:54:05 -0400 Robert Simmons => To >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org : >> RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright >> RS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark >> >> I'll surely will when I'll have some to trade ;-) >> >> RS> Copyright pertains to the source code. Trademark pertains to the use >> of >> RS> signs, symbols, names, logos, etc. >> >> Source code itself can have 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' and >> consist in terms of its usability of them, doesn't it just use to? >> 'signs, symbols, names, logos, etc.' same way can have their source code >> and consist in terms of their usability of it, doesn't they just use to? > > Trademark is for 'this is made by me. I put my name on it.' Copyright is > for the content of a book/speech/whatever. > > 'Trademark' is a _maker's mark._ The point is not encouraging the > creation of works (like copyright): The point is so that a maker/seller > can build a reputation with their customers. > > They are very different in terms, uses, and requirements. In theory it is > possible to hold both a trademark and a copyright on the same thing, but > it is hard. (You will likely fail applicability tests for one or the > other.) It is of course possible to put a trademark on something you've > copyrighted, so people know who created it. > > Daniel T. Staal Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name. Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one can't give it up. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 04:53:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D391065672 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:53:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from amvandemore@gmail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D09318FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2220317fxm.13 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:53:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=39M8oKlwNuqeK7N5jXGYjlBFvztmMgdfuJGaHhPOApY=; b=adwz8F/cLeFmUcYHlxYu5AA5GJm2rrhJEcQXB8FAXl031Q50Pphk4OeGMsYRDScGFh iCn8oo726XRN8sDtvuiV3RyydWNJj0IZcJE9/WGKV7p6JzyoB/cH4hv3yC50cGqtWEyh w78eBfEPsHvoEeGgxFz1NAlOkRAAA9H8C0trU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=KS+P2QdmZj2iRHqtbx1uoyebQkeBHYD1Fev/IsKLF2sU7hTm97IVZQ9JvyMDiG9w6Z Q4v42ne5wcAlMWU613u1ybJmeWvrDx2ds6+OrFTjU3NNP8h/SzB/yDBpPHmUzs4vdWcV rKK5rWbZaAIoyEvqznUmdG7iFnJueTF0EJEDo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.21.215 with SMTP id k23mr1344665fab.88.1308286408679; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.74.198 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:53:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 23:53:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Adam Vande More To: Bernt Hansson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Daniel Staal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:53:30 -0000 On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name. > I'm not sure by what mean by "work the trademark in" but every business is entitled to use tm or sm identification without registration. However by officially registering it, the business is afforded additional legal rights and is in a much more defensible position. Also as most IP lawyers would say, trademark law is the law of the jungle. That is to say the biggest gorilla wins. > Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one > can't give it up. Again, registration is pretty important if you want to an expanded ability to legally enforce it. And you can assign your copyright away. In fact, I would recommend to anyone seeking a 3rd party to create content for them to have copyright assignment to them for basically any project. You don't want your web design company to come after you when there's been a falling out and you're with a different company. A company owns the copyright when an employee creates the work, however by default a contracted 3rd party retains it for any works they created under the contract. And while we're on the topic of clearing up IP laws, there are two basic types of patents and they are good for a maxium of 14 or 20 years. There is no renewal of patents, when they expire they expire. Additionally, the creator(s) of the patent is entitled to the right to patent it regardless of their employment status. This means in theory it's possible for your employer to own the copyright to some code you have created, yet you retain the patent rights. This is not official legal advice and you should consult a legal expert who assumes liability for advice, as I do not. -- Adam Vande More From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 05:00:01 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058EC106566B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:00:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F9F8FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 04:59:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5H4xvLA099764; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:59:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DFADF4D.5030005@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:59:57 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Questions References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Peter Vereshagin , Daniel Staal Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:00:01 -0000 2011-06-17 00:20, Daniel Staal skrev: > --As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged to > have said: > > (And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone book > is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) Which is copyrighted, all databases are copyrighted where i live. Even the .se whois database. # The information obtained through searches, or otherwise, is protected # by the Swedish Copyright Act (1960:729) and international conventions. # It is also subject to database protection according to the Swedish # Copyright Act. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 05:22:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D3A8106566C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:22:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9F98FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:22:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5H5MVhT000295; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:22:32 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:22:31 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Adam Vande More References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Daniel Staal , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:22:34 -0000 2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hanssonwrote: > >> Unless you work the trademark in you have to pay to register the name. >> > > I'm not sure by what mean by "work the trademark in" but every business is > entitled to use tm or sm identification without registration. Not where i live, if you whant a TM or "registrerat varumärke" then you have to pay up. >> Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one >> can't give it up. > > > Again, registration is pretty important if you want to an expanded ability > to legally enforce it. Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff fulfills certain criteria, originality is one. > And you can assign your copyright away. Only the monetary. The creator can sell the right to make copys of the work but the creator still retains the copyright. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 05:35:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370EF106579C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:35:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41D98FC1C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:35:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5H5Zd05000518 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:35:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DFAE7AA.20705@bah.homeip.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 07:35:38 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <20110615210830.GB23541@gmail.com> <20110616125219.GK5630@external.screwed.box> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616183007.GA68867@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: <20110616183007.GA68867@guilt.hydra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 05:35:50 -0000 2011-06-16 20:30, Chad Perrin skrev: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 02:22:43PM +0100, Matthew Seaman wrote: >> On 16/06/2011 13:52, Peter Vereshagin wrote: >>> >>> unix is a trademark of novell.com. >> >> Unix (note capitalization) is actually a trademark of the Open Group: >> http://www.unix.org/ In EU there are 12 registred trademarks of unix. http://wwwm.prv.se/ Sökresultat Lydelse: unix Sortering på: Ingivningsdatum Antal träffar 12 IR-varumärken markerade med är inte giltiga i Sverige Lydelse Innehavare Ombud Ans.nr. Klasser Ingivningsdatum Figur Typ Unix Apama Medical, Inc. GASTÃO DA CUNHA FERREIRA, LDA. 009039091 10 2010-04-20 UNIX Sunrise Medical Limited JONES DAY 008712391 12, 16, 37 2009-11-25 UNIX BENDRA LIETUVOS-DANIJOS ÁMONË UAB "DANBALT INTERNATIONAL" METIDA LAW FIRM OF REDA ?ABOLIENÉ 005399332 25 Wienklasser: 270501 2006-10-19 X UNIX Wielobran¿owe Przedsiêbiorstwo Ogólnokrajowe UNIX Sp. z.o.o. 005419874 33 2006-09-25 UNIX X/Open Company Limited MARKS & CLERK LLP 000431569 9, 16, 35, 37, 41, 42 1996-12-23 UNIX X/Open Company Limited MARKS & CLERK LLP 000227991 9, 16, 38, 42 1996-04-01 UNIX SYNGENTA PARTICIPATIONS AG Hofmann 000120931 5 1996-04-01 UNIX HANS DAHLQVIST Groth & Co Kommanditbolag 1994/07260 1, 3, 40 1994-07-13 UNIX Syngenta Participations AG Groth & Co Kommanditbolag 1994/03152 5 1994-03-22 UNIX X/Open Company Limited Nihlmark & Zacharoff Advokatbyrå AB (Transpf. V-2051/02 T) 1993/02071 9 Wienklasser: 011524 261325 1993-03-08 X UNIX X/Open Company Limited Nihlmark & Zacharoff Advokatbyrå AB (Transpf. V-2051/02 T) 1983/06916 9, 16 1983-10-24 UNIX X/Open Company Limited Nihlmark & Zacharoff Advokatbyrå AB (Transpf. V-2051/02 T) 1984/02169 9, 38 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 10:21:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A613A106566C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:21:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk) Received: from relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net (relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net [212.159.7.35]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FD58FC18 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:21:27 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoEIAGEj+01UXeb6/2dsb2JhbABSmCaOSHeIdZ9lnzeGJwSWPYsf Received: from outmx05.plus.net ([84.93.230.250]) by relay.ptn-ipout01.plus.net with ESMTP; 17 Jun 2011 10:52:23 +0100 Received: from [84.92.153.232] (helo=curlew.milibyte.co.uk) by outmx05.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1QXViw-0008RS-LF for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:52:22 +0100 Received: by curlew.milibyte.co.uk with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QXViv-0008bg-Ar for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:52:21 +0100 From: Mike Clarke To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:52:21 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201106171052.21232.jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk> X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: jmc-freebsd2@milibyte.co.uk X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on curlew.milibyte.co.uk); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Subject: Odd behaviour with "portmaster -r gnutls" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:21:28 -0000 =46rom /usr/ports/UPDATING =2D---------------------------------------------------------- 20110605: AFFECTS: users of security/gnutls and any port that depends on it AUTHOR: novel@FreeBSD.org gnutls has been updated to 2.12.6.1 and all shared libraries' versions=20 have been bumped. So you need to rebuild all applications that depend on gnutls. Do something like: portupgrade -rf gnutls portmaster -r gnutls =2D---------------------------------------------------------- "pkg_info -Rx gnutls" shows that gnutls is required by 92 of my=20 installed ports so before running "portmaster -a" I duly=20 ran "portmaster -r gnutls". This ran without any errors but only 4=20 ports were updated... curlew:/root# portmaster -r gnutls [snip] =3D=3D=3D>>> Done displaying pkg-message files The following actions were performed: Re-installation of GeoIP-1.4.7 Upgrade of python26-2.6.6_1 to python26-2.6.7 Upgrade of gnutls-2.8.6_2 to gnutls-2.12.6.1_1 Upgrade of wireshark-1.4.6 to wireshark-1.4.7_1 curlew:/root# Should I worry about this huge discrepancy? I haven't got round to=20 running "portmaster -a" yet and I haven't come across any problems so=20 far, apart from having to add an entry for libgnutls.so.40=20 in /etc/libmap.conf to keep cups happy. "pkg_version -vL=3D" shows that 70 ports are due for updating, only some=20 of these depend on gnutls so even after running "portmaster -a" there=20 will be a considerable number of ports depending on gnutls which will=20 not have been updated. =2D-=20 Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 10:50:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D6861065673 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:50:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08CFB8FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:50:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.74]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wyd31g0031bwxycABydjfL; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:37:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([68.41.84.140]) by omta18.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id wye61g00z31ffPo8eye8ZU; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:38:08 +0000 Message-ID: <4DFB2E7A.5060004@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:37:46 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <4DF8CDB3.2030604@pacbell.net> In-Reply-To: <4DF8CDB3.2030604@pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: versions of software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:50:55 -0000 On 6/15/2011 11:20 AM, spidey wrote: > Good morning. > > I have never used Freebsd. For that matter, I have not used Linux since > the early 1990s (1993 to be exact) Anyway... > BTW - I have your logo on my xwindows on the Linux box I am trying to > setup. I think it's great. OK, so, you haven't ever used FreeBSD, and you decided that you would sign up for a FreeBSD mailing list to say that you have the logo on the machine while trying to install Linux on it? OK, Intrigued... > I have a need to use sendmail and DNS bind. Can someone tell me which > versions of sendmail and DNS Bind are in the current Ubuntu 10?? In > your opinion, are they going to be hard to install. I was going to > use (Linux) Redhat but, could not figure out where the files were not to > mention, I see there are some security issues with the version I have > and updating looks like it would be hard as trying to pull teeth from > Godzilla when he's got tooth ache and motheras flying around his head > while smacking him in the head with a wing. In other words...... on a > bad day it looks hard. Not real good with analogies are we? This is a FreeBSD mailing list, and asking whicih version of Linux to use, which, by the wya, no one is ever going to give you a straight answer too, since that CAN'T be answered (Mostly because basically, there are around 12,000 versions of Linux, and they all do something a little different). If you'd like my OPINION; Ubuntu is African for "I can't install Slackware or Debian" and sucks. So does Red Hat. So does Fedora. Debian, Slackware, and SUSE are the best you'll get from Linux. > That being said, I have a Dell 2650 dual 3200s, with 6 gig of memory > and 36gig hard drive space. I only need it for a test and was wondering > how this would work under Freebsd. If someone could let me know, I > would really appreciate it. Ahhhh! Finally, we get to something related to the list this is posted to! OK, basically, FreeBSD is like Linux since both are Unix like or based Operating systems. However, even though Linux is getting better and better all the time, it still isn't nearly as fast as FreeBSD. FreeBSD is regarded as one of THE MOST Stable Operating Systems ever written, and even people who like Linux more would admit that. FreeBSD is an excellent choice for any Server task you might need, and it's very fast. You can literally do anything your hardware and mind can come up with, as those are basically the only two limitations to FreeBSD. It's the reason I spend money on FreeBSD when I can easily get it for free. FreeBSD can also run a lot of Linux Applications just fine with the Linux_Enable="YES" added to /etc/rc.conf and, not only that, I've heard many MANY times that somehow, FreeBSD manages to run Linux apps faster than Linux itself can. So if you'd like advice; INSTALL FREEBSD!!!! And, you can also do what I did with MY Ubuntu Installation CDs; Coffee Cup Coaster :) > Thanks much for your time You're very welcome. And please enjoy my playful sense of humor at 6:37 AM while still being awake, and having not slept :) lol. > Andre -gore (I have a thing for Horror Movies, lol). From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 11:58:07 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAC74106566B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:58:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F518FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:58:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from park.js.berklix.net (pD9FBF65E.dip.t-dialin.net [217.251.246.94]) (authenticated bits=0) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id p5HBw2R1018082; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:58:03 GMT (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by park.js.berklix.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5HBwDbN062398; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:58:13 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5HBw3Hb015137; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:58:08 GMT (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201106171158.p5HBw3Hb015137@fire.js.berklix.net> To: Allen From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://www.berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://www.berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:37:46 EDT." <4DFB2E7A.5060004@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:58:03 +0200 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: versions of software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:58:07 -0000 > FreeBSD can also run a lot of Linux Applications just fine with the > Linux_Enable="YES" added to /etc/rc.conf and, not only that, I've heard /etc/defaults/rc.conf has it in lower case linux_enable="NO" Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 13:00:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B223106574A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:00:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wodfer@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FF88FC16 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:00:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyb13 with SMTP id 13so907645gyb.13 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:00:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=s5il95/lSLS1HZW4NKR9uuAXFee9zcwMDZTzYFAw2Zk=; b=W3Y4YHN5dKjw6N3uvySqavVTeMResBgzXMOG6pZJXTWVh0k/W+/TpuonFZg/Riq6Ii HDgdE09ldVbHigoZqpd++XQVEPjLRBsrPCsaN7QauM9rszCkWCFYN0YPl4UpNtAI0pmS k8RQ+RYySGpLExDGnTJuwd9fs9jr7+Slhuie8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=COVQ0YTeVWNdCP9w+lzCUs3JH6RScy9TmrZz66K5pG4LZl6ZCMUMQyC9ALAYqUxO/u t5w51hcSZM4eKKfrTXY9YY8N54coiyIIE9R8k3DCGQylrS4EIIBKZt94qXUZo/n7JNOK IXbsBrEPj1Hb2QMPLkm0vJu8OBfQjfR+2oJKM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.118.2 with SMTP id v2mr2580336agm.10.1308315637141; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.133.16 with HTTP; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 06:00:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DFA28B6.8030403@sentex.net> References: <0665B44F-2925-4BD0-98D5-4260ADBA6CD3@gmail.com> <4DFA28B6.8030403@sentex.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 15:00:37 +0200 Message-ID: From: Andy Wodfer To: Mike Tancsa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Going STABLE in 64bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:00:38 -0000 On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Mike Tancsa wrote: > On 6/16/2011 11:49 AM, Andy Wodfer wrote: > > Hi, I'm running 8.2 REL. Are there any specific things to be aware of > when compiling kernel and making world in 64bit? Required kernel modules > etc? > > I sometimes forget that the kernel config is in > cd /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf/ > and not > cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf/ > > ... so I will be editing the wrong kernel config file, rebuilding, and > not understanding why the changes are not reflected in my kernel as > loaded. But other than that and a little longer build times, all is > pretty much the same > > Just to be clear, you have an existing 64bit 8.2 system you are just > updating to stable right ? > Thanks for your email Mike! Yes, my system is currently running in 64bit. /Andreas From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 14:22:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8F071065670 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arab@tangerine-army.co.uk) Received: from queueout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (queueout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.58]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52DE88FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net ([62.254.123.3]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20110617131859.QUOB16165.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net> for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:18:59 +0100 Received: from [94.168.170.153] (helo=mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl) by know-smtpout-4.server.virginmedia.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QXYwt-000453-6A for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:18:59 +0100 Received: from mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl ([fe80::79f1:f3c8:3aed:806c]) by mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl ([fe80::79f1:f3c8:3aed:806c%10]) with mapi; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:18:56 +0100 From: Graeme Dargie To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:18:53 +0100 Thread-Topic: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) Thread-Index: AcwseiJauAwoczA6Qj+p7zJtVWB8igAdXiTA Message-ID: <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B521F2C52163@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> <110DEE0E-92A6-4202-B072-0EC5104B839E@mac.com> <20110616160547.68a628e9@dell64> In-Reply-To: <20110616160547.68a628e9@dell64> Accept-Language: en-US, en-GB Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US, en-GB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JvdXmxIgLJv2/GthKqHpGJEEHukvLcvELVXUanXFreg= c=1 sm=0 a=6CniscRAF_AA:10 a=OMdUhd4NiskA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=n-kJSqksAAAA:8 a=bgP_ivdbYB_iAfYNCEYA:9 a=k7kL0HpuEJqudnYbUioA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=98jSFH7WqmUA:10 a=IpJHswl-AWnOb7ZI:21 a=rZVBj_1XDybVN6jf:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Subject: RE: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:22:31 -0000 -----Original Message----- From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@f= reebsd.org] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: 17 June 2011 00:06 To: Chuck Swiger Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:11:22 -0700 Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Robert wrote: > > I have tested with all of the sticks installed and with one at a > > time. When all of the sticks are installed, BIOS show a total of > > 2752 MB of RAM. If any of the sticks are installed alone in any of > > the four slots, BIOS then shows 960 MB instead of the 1024 one > > would expect. >=20 > Sounds like the BIOS is stealing 64MB for video RAM. > There's likely a BIOS setting which governs the size of this. >=20 > As for not being able to access all 4GB, this is a FAQ. > If you run a 32-bit system, the top gigabyte or so of address space is > reserved for memory mapped I/O reservations like AGP, PCIe, etc. >=20 > If your hardware is capable of running in 64-bit mode, do that. >=20 > Regards, Chuck Thanks for the reply. I should have been clearer. During POST only 2752 MB is shown. Also, I am running the amd64 version of freenas. As I said, I am 100% sure this is a MOBO hardware problem and I was just trying to compute the math. Robert _______________________________________________ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org= " The BIOS if it has shown 4096mb at post in the past would suggest that it i= s up to date at least enough to deal with 4gb of ram. I would say the likel= y hood of all 4 ram sticks developing the exact same problem at the same ti= me while not impossible is highly unlikely. Do you have another machine you= can test the ram in or stick of ram you can test on this motherboard? Not = sure if your board will let you do this or not, but try 1 stick in bank 1 r= ather than bank 0, and see what it shows, you might also want to repeat the= same test with 1 stick in bank 2 and then in bank 3. Bios settings for on = board video will reserve some ram, some boards report the main ram figure l= ess this figure others do not. You might want to try doing a bios reset wit= h the jumper on the motherboard its self. Also give the ram slots a blow ou= t with some aero duster could be there is some dirt in them. Other than run= ning memtestx86 or the 64bit equivalent I am pretty much out of ideas. Regards Graeme From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 14:28:41 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43BB1065674 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:28:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1EA48FC1C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5HEQeVs033951; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:26:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110617092644.0187f5d8@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:26:44 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:26:40 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:28:42 -0000 At 04:12 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >Jack L. Stone wrote: > >> At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >>>Jack L. Stone wrote: >>> Sorry to return with one more question about upgrading to apache22 from apache2. A note of concern was that apache22 changes the path to the document root by inserting ../www/apache22/data versus the previous ../www/data doc root. Of course my vhosts and a bunch of other things of importance now reside within the ../www path. I suppose I can change the doc root within the apache22 config file(s) but I can forsee some possible breakage in things on a production server when before, when moving from apache-1.3 to apache2, web things were put in the same path and without any modifications needed. I suppose this only affects the main host server stuff and things left in the ../www placement will still work as before according to the present setup. In examining the apache22 Makefile I see some places that the path might be changed, but don't know if that is the best idea vs maybe changing the doc root in apache22 config. A 3rd choice is to move stuff contained in the ../www/cgi-bin phpMyAdmin ...etc things that the main host needs to find in the new location. What did you fellows do about this issue that worked best for you assuming y'all had vhosts and similar stuff to worry about? Methinks this is my last question before moving to production servers. Appreciate your further comments.... (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 14:32:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 282C7106566C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:32:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A198FC15 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:32:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5HEUScS034072; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:30:29 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110617142644.03caff20@mail.sagedata.net> X-Sender: jacks@mail.sagedata.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:26:44 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:30:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:32:30 -0000 At 04:12 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >Jack L. Stone wrote: > >> At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >>>Jack L. Stone wrote: >>> Sorry to return with one more question about upgrading to apache22 from apache2. A note of concern was that apache22 changes the path to the document root by inserting ../www/apache22/data versus the previous ../www/data doc root. Of course my vhosts and a bunch of other things of importance now reside within the ../www path. I suppose I can change the doc root within the apache22 config file(s) but I can forsee some possible breakage in things on a production server when before, when moving from apache-1.3 to apache2, web things were put in the same path and without any modifications needed. I suppose this only affects the main host server stuff and things left in the ../www placement will still work as before according to the present setup. In examining the apache22 Makefile I see some places that the path might be changed, but don't know if that is the best idea vs maybe changing the doc root in apache22 config. A 3rd choice is to move stuff contained in the ../www/cgi-bin phpMyAdmin ...etc things that the main host needs to find in the new location. What did you fellows do about this issue that worked best for you assuming y'all had vhosts and similar stuff to worry about? Methinks this is my last question before moving to production servers. Appreciate your further comments.... (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 14:33:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E731065670 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:33:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from mail.sagedata.net (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A6878FC1A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:33:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27]) by mail.sagedata.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id p5HEVFhN034093; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:31:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) X-Authentication-Warning: mail.sagedata.net: Host 99-111-143-27.lightspeed.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.111.143.27] claimed to be SAGEPLACE Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110617192644.03caff20@38.106.15.121> X-Sender: jacks@38.106.15.121 (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:26:44 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Greylist: Message whitelisted by Sendmail access database, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (mail.sagedata.net [38.106.15.121]); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:31:16 -0500 (CDT) Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:33:16 -0000 At 04:12 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >Jack L. Stone wrote: > >> At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >>>Jack L. Stone wrote: >>> Sorry to return with one more question about upgrading to apache22 from apache2. A note of concern was that apache22 changes the path to the document root by inserting ../www/apache22/data versus the previous ../www/data doc root. Of course my vhosts and a bunch of other things of importance now reside within the ../www path. I suppose I can change the doc root within the apache22 config file(s) but I can forsee some possible breakage in things on a production server when before, when moving from apache-1.3 to apache2, web things were put in the same path and without any modifications needed. I suppose this only affects the main host server stuff and things left in the ../www placement will still work as before according to the present setup. In examining the apache22 Makefile I see some places that the path might be changed, but don't know if that is the best idea vs maybe changing the doc root in apache22 config. A 3rd choice is to move stuff contained in the ../www/cgi-bin phpMyAdmin ...etc things that the main host needs to find in the new location. What did you fellows do about this issue that worked best for you assuming y'all had vhosts and similar stuff to worry about? Methinks this is my last question before moving to production servers. Appreciate your further comments.... (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 14:51:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C58F7106566B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:51:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from sageweb.net (99-68-88-114.uvs.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.68.88.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725858FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (sageplace [10.0.0.6]) by sageweb.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p5HEpp4E026118; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:51:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110617095155.03caff20@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:51:55 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110617192644.03caff20@38.106.15.121> References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (sageweb.net [99.68.88.114]); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:51:53 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=1.50 required=5.00 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 5.0 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | 0.0 FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 | 1.2 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE | 0.0 HELO_NO_DOMAIN Relay reports its domain incorrectly | 1.2 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:51:55 -0000 At 07:26 PM 6/17/2011 -0500, Jack L. Stone wrote: OUCH! I hipe my last email really didn't go out 3 times. Mail server wasn't resolving properly, so had tried different ones. Sorry.... (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 14:57:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E781065672 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:57:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Received: from sageweb.net (99-68-88-114.uvs.crchtx.sbcglobal.net [99.68.88.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC6E8FC18 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from SAGEPLACE (sageplace [10.0.0.6]) by sageweb.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with SMTP id p5HEXLVd026008; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:33:21 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from jacks@sage-american.com) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20110618002644.03caff20@sage-american.com> X-Sender: jacks@sage-american.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 00:26:44 -0500 To: Michael Powell , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: "Jack L. Stone" In-Reply-To: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Scanned-By: milter-spamc/1.15.388 (sageweb.net [99.68.88.114]); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:33:24 -0500 X-Spam-Status: NO, hits=2.70 required=5.00 X-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (2.7 points, 5.0 required) | | pts rule name description | ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- | -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP | 0.0 FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 FSL_HELO_NON_FQDN_1 | 1.2 TVD_RCVD_SINGLE TVD_RCVD_SINGLE | 2.5 DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24 Date: is 12 to 24 hours after Received: date | 0.0 HELO_NO_DOMAIN Relay reports its domain incorrectly | Cc: Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:57:50 -0000 At 04:12 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >Jack L. Stone wrote: > >> At 12:56 PM 6/16/2011 -0400, Michael Powell wrote: >>>Jack L. Stone wrote: >>> Sorry to return with one more question about upgrading to apache22 from apache2. A note of concern was that apache22 changes the path to the document root by inserting ../www/apache22/data versus the previous ../www/data doc root. Of course my vhosts and a bunch of other things of importance now reside within the ../www path. I suppose I can change the doc root within the apache22 config file(s) but I can forsee some possible breakage in things on a production server when before, when moving from apache-1.3 to apache2, web things were put in the same path and without any modifications needed. I suppose this only affects the main host server stuff and things left in the ../www placement will still work as before according to the present setup. In examining the apache22 Makefile I see some places that the path might be changed, but don't know if that is the best idea vs maybe changing the doc root in apache22 config. A 3rd choice is to move stuff contained in the ../www/cgi-bin phpMyAdmin ...etc things that the main host needs to find in the new location. What did you fellows do about this issue that worked best for you assuming y'all had vhosts and similar stuff to worry about? Methinks this is my last question before moving to production servers. Appreciate your further comments.... (^_^) Happy trails, Jack L. Stone System Admin Sage-american From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 16:19:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749901065676 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from traveling08@cox.net) Received: from fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (fed1rmfepo201.cox.net [68.230.241.146]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B63B8FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:19:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmfepo201.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110617161917.XPJJ16474.fed1rmfepo201.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net>; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:19:17 -0400 Received: from dell64 ([72.220.91.219]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id x4KH1g00H4jy6EY034KHAf; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:19:17 -0400 X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020204.4DFB7E85.012D,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oT3NRLj0cCCNKj4i9nkMf6e5GpIIhKgkN3gTd9K8V1w= c=1 sm=1 a=6CniscRAF_AA:10 a=G8Uczd0VNMoA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:17 a=6dG_nmYyAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=YNfBHdro73Jz3cP87I8A:9 a=kWOqCDzLAmyItVNoy80A:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=fR-Bwqda8R4A:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=olICo1sKaMXbpqbYUd6B5g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 09:19:12 -0700 From: Robert To: Graeme Dargie Message-ID: <20110617091912.318f8453@dell64> In-Reply-To: <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B521F2C52163@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> References: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64> <110DEE0E-92A6-4202-B072-0EC5104B839E@mac.com> <20110616160547.68a628e9@dell64> <0EE458C34045A44DBC2CA2DC5CEB42B521F2C52163@mercury.universe.galaxy.lcl> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: OT: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:19:18 -0000 On Fri, 17 Jun 2011 14:18:53 +0100 Graeme Dargie wrote: Graeme Thanks for taking the time to reply. > > The BIOS if it has shown 4096mb at post in the past would suggest > that it is up to date at least enough to deal with 4gb of ram. I > would say the likely hood of all 4 ram sticks developing the exact > same problem at the same time while not impossible is highly > unlikely. Do you have another machine you can test the ram in or > stick of ram you can test on this motherboard? Not sure if your board > will let you do this or not, but try 1 stick in bank 1 rather than > bank 0, and see what it shows, you might also want to repeat the same > test with 1 stick in bank 2 and then in bank 3. Bios settings for on > board video will reserve some ram, some boards report the main ram > figure less this figure others do not. You might want to try doing a > bios reset with the jumper on the motherboard its self. Also give the > ram slots a blow out with some aero duster could be there is some > dirt in them. Other than running memtestx86 or the 64bit equivalent I > am pretty much out of ideas. > > Regards > > Graeme I cannot be sure that I have tried one individual stick in all slots but I know that I have had various sticks in various slots and all showed as 960MB. As far as I can tell this happened when I was converting this computer from a file server/desktop running 9 current to a freenas server. I rearranged all hard drives and removed some expansion cards (pci firewire, pci-e Sapphire) removed DVD drives and installed one CD drive. All in all I had my hands in the MB quite a bit and could have done something even though I was careful and always grounded myself. Of course, I had the power off whenever working inside the box. I will be taking the computer down in the next few days to add another drive to create a mirror. At that time I will do all that you recommended. i.e. Blow out the dust bunnies, double check all connectors, redress all cables and the run memtest. The MoBo is not new and has been in continuous use for many years. It is not inconceivable that I have a trace problem or a cold solder joint somewhere. Thanks again for your reply. Robert > > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 16:25:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CD0106564A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:25:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from editor@d3photography.com) Received: from server.cwis.biz (70-89-202-5-invergrove-mn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [70.89.202.5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A86508FC13 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.cwis.biz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16865267B8C7; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:29:59 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cwis.biz Received: from server.cwis.biz ([127.0.0.1]) by server.cwis.biz (server.cwis.biz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zwwNHCNo0OLy; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:29:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [192.168.46.106] (173-160-104-249-Minnesota.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.160.104.249]) by server.cwis.biz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1BD99267B8C6; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:29:46 -0500 (CDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ryan Coleman In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20110617095155.03caff20@sage-american.com> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:25:38 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <927756B3-D822-4EBE-A8B4-3EDDD7672A19@d3photography.com> References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.2011 0617095155.03caff20@sage-american.com> To: Jack L. Stone X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:25:54 -0000 That would explain the three different quote times in them. Yes it did, but I'm not concerned. On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:51 AM, Jack L. Stone wrote: > At 07:26 PM 6/17/2011 -0500, Jack L. Stone wrote: >=20 > OUCH! I hipe my last email really didn't go out 3 times. Mail server = wasn't > resolving properly, so had tried different ones. >=20 > Sorry.... >=20 > (^_^) > Happy trails, > Jack L. Stone >=20 > System Admin > Sage-american > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 16:33:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976CE106564A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:33:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 63D878FC14 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 20742 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2011 16:33:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2011 16:33:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=hlLCr6xOWMBbIXEfea/KwM6lNm1DQccLCN0P4DhYiVL3WZw5uJaiGaYzOEsDRNgeMoCPor692gu8P14PY5iPG8UZuQs0TDtI8ERu0lAmLK+crJXqw8XRPZ625oR/kLsO; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXbyt-0004Yg-Lw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:33:16 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:18:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:18:02 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110617161802.GA73147@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617000708.GR5630@external.screwed.box> <20110617025040.fbbf4c8b.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110617030316.GB69974@guilt.hydra> <20110617053842.2ee905b9.freebsd@edvax.de> <20110617033554.GA70298@guilt.hydra> <20110617061403.4f8de5b9.freebsd@edvax.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110617061403.4f8de5b9.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:33:17 -0000 --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:14:03AM +0200, Polytropon wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:35:54 -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > I've noticed that your mail user agent is including quoted parties' > > email addresses in the quote notification. In the text immediately > > following this brief paragraph, for instance, my email address was > > included after my name. I would appreciate it if you would configure > > your mail user agent to no longer do this, for not only my sake but > > that of others who would probably like to see archives that strip > > such information from headers before publicly posting them actually > > do some good. When the email address also appears in the text of the > > email because your mail user agent is adding it in, you are creating > > a crop of victims for spam email list spiders to reap. >=20 > Thanks for the advice, I've just made the setting (I'm using the > Sylpheed MUA). I didn't pay much attention to that (although I'm aware > of the topic) as mailing list publishing systems put in the "From:" > datafield (directed at the list) automatically, so all the names and > addresses are already in there. >=20 > I will keep that setting as it sounds the right thing to do. Other > possibly needed information (like addresses) are in the mail header > anyway. Thank you. I appreciate it. > >=20 > > Unlike choices in software (a matter purely of preference), I find > > too many choices of licensing problematic. Just one reason among > > several for my perspective is that of hindering further advancement > > of the state of the art, as explained here: > >=20 > > Code Reuse and Technological Advancement > > http://blogstrapping.com/?page=3D2011.060.00.28.21 >=20 > Interesting article, and helpful for further argumentation. Thank you! > Exactly my point of view. Bookmarked. I'm glad you found it worthwhile. >=20 > The part "LA" in EULA means "license agreement", so I assume this > indicates that I have to agree to something, and an agreement between > two parties is a... contract. The vendor allows me to do certain things > with the software _if_ I agree to the terms. If I do _not_, I am not > legally allowed to use the software, will loose warranty or am even > forced to return the whole computer system. The term "Agreement" in "End User License Agreement" does not actually imply that you have explicitly agreed to anything. It merely implies that the guy who invented the term is conversant in the ways of inventing terms of newspeak (q.v. 1984, by George Orwell). It's a term of propaganda, rather than of meaningful definition. There's a dish that many restaurants serve involving a tortilla wrapped around some set of common ingredients -- often involving beans, cheese, and possibly rice and/or meat, among other things. In the United States, we call it a "burrito". The fact we call it that, however, does *not* mean it is in fact a small donkey ("burro" is "donkey" in Spanish, and "burrito" would mean "small burro"). By the same token, tax cuts are not subsidies, now matter how often Democrats in the US call them subsidies, and full disclosure IT security research is not cybertarrorism, no matter how much Republicans in the US call it cyberterrorism. >=20 > Keep in mind that I'm not a lawyer and may therefore cultivate just one > opinion about one topic (instead of two opinions). :-) Same here, of course. I'm not a lawyer, but I pay attention to the law. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk37fjoACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXNxQCcDlK2iTO80GOFi8JUJBeR4Gq2 WHgAoOSGaP9gxNCYW78BLzN4WDI7KMA6 =vPeJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pf9I7BMVVzbSWLtt-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 16:34:54 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDB91065674 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:34:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2112C8FC0C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:34:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 19726 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2011 16:34:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2011 16:34:53 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=VLETOAVuImO4uWihExhyEeDlyJTqNYXGU+go21wAXND/ydQvLfpjUzwqfKm+hv0q6x2YotTqt3AMrXXe41QOTOfvUh3qkMryoPIrjsMbvKJvV977/q2fUo1Msbp/6W5c; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXc0S-0006pQ-HS for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:34:53 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:19:39 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:19:39 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: FreeBSD Questions Message-ID: <20110617161939.GB73147@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: FreeBSD Questions References: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <4DFADF4D.5030005@bah.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+g7M9IMkV8truYOl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFADF4D.5030005@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:34:54 -0000 --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 06:59:57AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-06-17 00:20, Daniel Staal skrev: > >--As of June 16, 2011 11:21:34 PM +0400, Peter Vereshagin is alleged > >to have said: > > > >(And note that a pure list of facts can't be copyrighted: The phone > >book is often an example. It's just a list of names and numbers.) >=20 > Which is copyrighted, all databases are copyrighted where i live. Even > the .se whois database. >=20 >=20 > # The information obtained through searches, or otherwise, is protected > # by the Swedish Copyright Act (1960:729) and international conventions. > # It is also subject to database protection according to the Swedish > # Copyright Act. Holy crap. That's awful. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk37fpsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKVo+QCg1iFv1RJzB+NU3d94QYjTc/tj gMgAoMUcpciXNHYQxGEYNUPt+ON/wy4J =UVUh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+g7M9IMkV8truYOl-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 16:44:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F98106564A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:44:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A7B18FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:44:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 16122 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2011 16:44:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2011 16:44:05 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=FYILFQK7+w6x00DTKaxnxkYIS5Ycqma0OFLglskHTpZQm384vADZAswryDgYdp4yxaHPb03JNtKvKPSHGyar4phRTZyp4d86znZ3ErhFsSPj9VhpZ7A3mJVPmP8qyG3e; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXc9M-0002Sb-Me for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:44:05 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:28:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:28:51 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 16:44:06 -0000 --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 07:22:31AM +0200, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-06-17 06:53, Adam Vande More skrev: > >On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > >> > >>Copyright you get without registration and without payment, and one > >>can't give it up. > > > >Again, registration is pretty important if you want to an expanded > >ability to legally enforce it. >=20 > Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff > fulfills certain criteria, originality is one. Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the "poor man's copyright registration" approach, where the moment you have something you would like to protect by copyright, you can seal it up in an envelope and mail it to yourself. Keep it sealed. If you ever need proof of copyright, including date of copyright, you can then take the sealed envelope with you to court to show the postmark date, unseal the envelope, and show the full text of the document inside. Of course, it's not *perfect*. It may be that postmarks stop being regarded as suitable proof of date at some point, thanks to increasing ability to fake a postmark. Your sealed envelope trick only works once. You need to protect that sealed envelope against loss and damage. You would need to do this for *everything* for which you want to have some kind of proof of date of copyright, which can fill up file cabinets in a hurry. This is why copyright registration is still useful. > > > > And you can assign your copyright away. >=20 > Only the monetary. The creator can sell the right to make copys of the > work but the creator still retains the copyright. That depends on jurisdiction. In the US, you can negate copyright entirely by assigning something you have created to the public domain. The fact this is not applicable everywhere is the reason for things like the CC0 waiver, however. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk37gMMACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKWtgwCg+BM5lv5xdKD+2CPMkCzfRV6o qy0AnRqvxsMzYwmPbeRmIjg2Hbe1KDu9 =rw9Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --2/5bycvrmDh4d1IB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 17:22:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79276106566B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:22:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alex@stangl.us) Received: from stangl.us (stangl.us [66.93.193.95]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FDC8FC17 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:22:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from scout.stangl.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scout.stangl.us (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A498B859 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:03:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at stangl.us Received: from stangl.us ([127.0.0.1]) by scout.stangl.us (scout.stangl.us [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IC02VQIDADSh for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:03:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: by scout.stangl.us (Postfix, from userid 1001) id C1435B856; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:03:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:03:47 -0500 From: Alex Stangl To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110617170347.GB55156@scout.stangl.us> References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:22:13 -0000 On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:28:51AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the "poor man's > copyright registration" approach, where the moment you have something you > would like to protect by copyright, you can seal it up in an envelope and > mail it to yourself. Keep it sealed. If you ever need proof of > copyright, including date of copyright, you can then take the sealed > envelope with you to court to show the postmark date, unseal the > envelope, and show the full text of the document inside. > > Of course, it's not *perfect*. It may be that postmarks stop being > regarded as suitable proof of date at some point, thanks to increasing > ability to fake a postmark. Your sealed envelope trick only works once. > You need to protect that sealed envelope against loss and damage. You > would need to do this for *everything* for which you want to have some > kind of proof of date of copyright, which can fill up file cabinets in a > hurry. This is why copyright registration is still useful. Sorry to contribute to this long thread that is only peripherally related to FreeBSD, but I have to ask -- does this trick really work? You can send yourself unsealed (or just very lightly sealed, or with manilla envelopes, just use the clasp, not the gum) envelopes whenever you like, and then insert contents & seal at some later date. It seems a flimsy "proof" that the contents actually were in the envelope as of the postmark date. I'd be curious to find out whether courts have really accepted this, or whether it's more of an urban legend. Alex From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 17:57:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A115F106564A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout030.mac.com (asmtpout030.mac.com [17.148.16.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8377B8FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:57:23 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp030.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMY00FAN4JLRNB0@asmtp030.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:57:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-17_08:2011-06-17, 2011-06-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=1 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106170129 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 10:57:20 -0700 Message-id: References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:57:23 -0000 On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: >> Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff >> fulfills certain criteria, originality is one. > > Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the "poor man's > copyright registration" approach, where the moment you have something you > would like to protect by copyright, you can seal it up in an envelope and > mail it to yourself. Keep it sealed. If you ever need proof of > copyright, including date of copyright, you can then take the sealed > envelope with you to court to show the postmark date, unseal the > envelope, and show the full text of the document inside. Sigh. If you'd ever actually filed a copyright registration or transfer form, you would discover that one needs to get them notarized. (Documenting that a certain document was available and signed at a specific date is what a notary public is for.) There is no case law in the US to support this "poor man's copyright." http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#what [ ... ] >> Only the monetary. The creator can sell the right to make copys of the >> work but the creator still retains the copyright. > > That depends on jurisdiction. In the US, you can negate copyright > entirely by assigning something you have created to the public domain. You assert this claim as well, but it's not at all clear whether anything but works created by government employees can be placed in the public domain. http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/no-rights-reserved.html "There is no specific provision in the copyright law for disclaiming rights in copyrighted works, and of course, no obligation to do so. However, the Copyright Office will record a statement of your intention to relinquish rights in our official records because the document pertains to a copyright within the meaning of the statute. A statement of abandonment should identify the works involved by title and/or registration number. The office does not provide forms for this purpose. The legal effect of recording a statement of abandonment is not clear. Moreover, its acceptance for recordation in this office should not be construed as approval of the legal sufficiency of its content or its effect on the status or ownership of any copyright." Let me repeat: unless you are a lawyer, you are not qualified to provide legal advice. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 18:14:22 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A75E7106566B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:14:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy6-pub.bluehost.com [67.222.54.6]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 72BC28FC08 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:14:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 8772 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2011 18:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2011 18:14:21 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=b2pmVJ6nWmLPE0KBII4YEuOyqaZhYqVms7ccSVyFiEvS7SNG/VhiYYfKB3BM7sVFc1MI5eQL/MEfi8KhXJhtCh5dW18+n+FASJuCtKtfkZqgtEMYo8RvDoho8kSRPurU; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXdYi-0000nt-Rg for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:14:21 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:59:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:59:07 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110617175907.GA73740@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0F1p//8PRICkK4MW" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:14:22 -0000 --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:57:20AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > >> Where i live no need to register, you get copyright if the stuff > >> fulfills certain criteria, originality is one. > >=20 > > Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the "poor > > man's copyright registration" approach, where the moment you have > > something you would like to protect by copyright, you can seal it up > > in an envelope and mail it to yourself. Keep it sealed. If you ever > > need proof of copyright, including date of copyright, you can then > > take the sealed envelope with you to court to show the postmark date, > > unseal the envelope, and show the full text of the document inside. >=20 > Sigh. If you'd ever actually filed a copyright registration or > transfer form, you would discover that one needs to get them notarized. > (Documenting that a certain document was available and signed at a > specific date is what a notary public is for.) >=20 > There is no case law in the US to support this "poor man's copyright." >=20 > http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#what That page does not say anything about case law. It refers to copyright law, which is law on the books -- not case law. The "poor man's copyright" approach is, I believe, less certain and effective than registration, but if there is a dispute over proper claim of copyright, anything you can do to add evidenciary support for your claim will help. In my previous explanation, of course, I neglected to mention that the way to ensure some kind of strength of evidence is to use metered mail, specifically so that nobody will be able to (as) convincingly claim you just mailed yourself an empty envelope and stuffed it later. > >> > >> Only the monetary. The creator can sell the right to make copys of the > >> work but the creator still retains the copyright. > >=20 > > That depends on jurisdiction. In the US, you can negate copyright > > entirely by assigning something you have created to the public domain. >=20 > You assert this claim as well, but it's not at all clear whether > anything but works created by government employees can be placed in the > public domain. >=20 > http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/no-rights-reserved.html >=20 > "There is no specific provision in the copyright law for disclaiming > rights in copyrighted works, and of course, no obligation to do so. > However, the Copyright Office will record a statement of your intention > to relinquish rights in our official records because the document > pertains to a copyright within the meaning of the statute. A statement > of abandonment should identify the works involved by title and/or > registration number. The office does not provide forms for this > purpose. >=20 > The legal effect of recording a statement of abandonment is not clear. > Moreover, its acceptance for recordation in this office should not be > construed as approval of the legal sufficiency of its content or its > effect on the status or ownership of any copyright." The effect has been, in any cases I have noticed, that waiving copyright makes it essentially impossible to assert copyright. Keep in mind that, if nothing else, such a waiver serves to demonstrate to the receiver an intent to let the receiver of the waiver to do whatever he or she likes with a copyrighted work similarly to an explicit license enumerating all the specific effects of such a waiver, and (unlike as in jurisdictions such as France) there does not appear to be any provision in law that disallows it. While it is always possible that someone with a better lawyer than you can turn these circumstances on their collective head in court, the implications are obvious, even to a lawyer. Don't take my word for it, though. My policy is to never just make bare public domain dedications. I much prefer detailed waiver licenses such as the CC0 waiver rather than dedication to the public domain, not only for local jurisdictions but for worldwide applicability as well. >=20 > Let me repeat: unless you are a lawyer, you are not qualified to > provide legal advice. Let me be clear: I didn't give legal advice. I didn't say "You should do this." I said, in effect, "This is what I have observed." In fact, nothing I said is any more advisory than what you said. For someone intent on giving the impression of precision, your precision sucks. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk37lesACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXX0QCcCukkCZJBrltxA07rbtnYRmN5 k5gAoJnpAVBu9Xx9u2KPfapplHT6WaIf =V7tj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --0F1p//8PRICkK4MW-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 18:48:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA82106566B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:48:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from asmtpout025.mac.com (asmtpout025.mac.com [17.148.16.100]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD9288FC12 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:48:28 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Received: from cswiger1.apple.com ([17.209.4.71]) by asmtp025.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Exchange Server 7u4-20.01 64bit (built Nov 21 2010)) with ESMTPSA id <0LMY00ERZ6WC3Q50@asmtp025.mac.com> for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:48:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.4.6813,1.0.148,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-06-17_08:2011-06-17, 2011-06-17, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1106170143 From: Chuck Swiger In-reply-to: <20110617175907.GA73740@guilt.hydra> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 11:48:25 -0700 Message-id: <0391CFA3-217C-46BE-BDFE-63C36CF8EAEB@mac.com> References: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> <20110617175907.GA73740@guilt.hydra> To: Chad Perrin X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:48:29 -0000 On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: >> Sigh. If you'd ever actually filed a copyright registration or >> transfer form, you would discover that one needs to get them notarized. >> (Documenting that a certain document was available and signed at a >> specific date is what a notary public is for.) >> >> There is no case law in the US to support this "poor man's copyright." >> >> http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#what > > That page does not say anything about case law. It refers to copyright > law, which is law on the books -- not case law. Yes, I know the difference. You're welcome to cite a court case in the US where a judge decided that this "poor man's copyright" constituted valid evidence of copyright ownership. > The "poor man's copyright" approach is, I believe, less certain and > effective than registration, but if there is a dispute over proper claim > of copyright, anything you can do to add evidenciary support for your > claim will help. Many people seem to believe their opinions matter more than facts which contradict such beliefs. Snopes is knocking, and they'd like this misinformation retracted: http://www.snopes.com/legal/postmark.asp > In my previous explanation, of course, I neglected to mention that the > way to ensure some kind of strength of evidence is to use metered mail, > specifically so that nobody will be able to (as) convincingly claim you > just mailed yourself an empty envelope and stuffed it later. Is there some part of "you're repeating an urban legend which has been discredited" which you find hard to understand? [ ... ] >> Let me repeat: unless you are a lawyer, you are not qualified to >> provide legal advice. > > Let me be clear: > > I didn't give legal advice. I didn't say "You should do this." I said, > in effect, "This is what I have observed." In fact, nothing I said is > any more advisory than what you said. > > For someone intent on giving the impression of precision, your precision sucks. Are you willing to acknowledge that your claims about "poor man's copyright" in the US are invalid? If you can't be honest enough to do so, frankly, your opinions about my precision-- or anything else-- aren't a matter of concern. Regards, -- -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 18:58:39 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47131065676 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:58:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy4-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.11]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6A2C58FC1D for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:58:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 10351 invoked by uid 0); 17 Jun 2011 18:58:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by cpoproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 17 Jun 2011 18:58:37 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=gBmq/8/lR+tLRucfWjyIa5mF/4rtRASniTo/WBHLQsIc1ISYGIw0UxCZXI6JWzKFL4U6DTfOTFvULOPiFX1ejcEL79P6480vfGzzmr9mfoj3uKHsZqfFou+fjtCZ5lC0; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXeFY-0004Me-0Y for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:58:37 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:43:23 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:43:23 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110617184323.GA74146@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> <20110617175907.GA73740@guilt.hydra> <0391CFA3-217C-46BE-BDFE-63C36CF8EAEB@mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0391CFA3-217C-46BE-BDFE-63C36CF8EAEB@mac.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:58:39 -0000 --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 11:48:25AM -0700, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > > > > The "poor man's copyright" approach is, I believe, less certain and > > effective than registration, but if there is a dispute over proper > > claim of copyright, anything you can do to add evidenciary support > > for your claim will help. >=20 > Many people seem to believe their opinions matter more than facts which > contradict such beliefs. Snopes is knocking, and they'd like this > misinformation retracted: Are you seriously trying to argue that evidence of copyright date necessarily won't constitute evidence of copyright date in court? Seriously? > > > > In my previous explanation, of course, I neglected to mention that > > the way to ensure some kind of strength of evidence is to use metered > > mail, specifically so that nobody will be able to (as) convincingly > > claim you just mailed yourself an empty envelope and stuffed it > > later. >=20 > Is there some part of "you're repeating an urban legend which has been > discredited" which you find hard to understand? Is there some part of "the fact it isn't established case law does not change the fact it offers some proof of possession, and this not only has not been discredited by snopes but was actually pointed out by the UK IPO and is not specifically contradicted by what the USPTO has to say about it? You're generalizing from "there's no case law that snopes has found, and the USPTO says it's not the same as registering copyright" to "there's no way to establish any date of copyright other than registering it", which is kind of ludicrous. >=20 > Are you willing to acknowledge that your claims about "poor man's > copyright" in the US are invalid? If you can't be honest enough to do > so, frankly, your opinions about my precision-- or anything else-- > aren't a matter of concern. Are you willing to stop using straw men in place of my actual statements? I didn't think so. I'm not interested in perpetuating this ridiculous nascent flame war of yours. Please have your argument without me from this point forward, preferably off-list. You can email yourself if you like. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk37oEsACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKXa/gCeIv+T3dH09v/+hnjcUWM80+ea yTIAn2qONwQEDc5kBBoVa7vK8GMjsVfs =CaLq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lrZ03NoBR/3+SXJZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 19:15:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155F51065672 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4D18FC17 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:15:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5HIqu5m073184 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:52:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@x.it.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201106171852.p5HIqu5m073184@x.it.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <73182.1308336776.1@x.it.okstate.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:52:56 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Second Network Almost but Not Quite Works. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:15:34 -0000 The system in question has its primary NIC on one particular network and a default route to the gateway on that network and all of that works fine. I needed the system to communicate fully on two different networks so we enabled the second interface card and it works on that second subnet. You can connect to hosts there and hosts on that network see the new interface. The problem is that it doesn't know anything about the router on that second network. I don't want it to loose the default router but it needs to be fully connected from the second interface as it is a name server and it is about to move from one network to the other. I enabled the second interface as follows: ifconfig fxp1 inet 192.168.1.13 netmask 255.255.255.0 Is the route add command what I need to cause that interface to speak to the router and to hear packets addressed to it from that router? The routing issue seems to be the only connectivity problem that the second interface has. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 19:15:34 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BD691065675 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:15:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Received: from x.it.okstate.edu (x.it.okstate.edu [139.78.2.13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F22C8FC18 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:15:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dc.cis.okstate.edu (localhost.cis.okstate.edu [127.0.0.1]) by x.it.okstate.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5HIrn6N073196 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:53:49 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from martin@dc.cis.okstate.edu) Message-Id: <201106171853.p5HIrn6N073196@x.it.okstate.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <73182.1308336776.1@x.it.okstate.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 13:53:48 -0500 From: Martin McCormick Subject: Second Network Almost but Not Quite Works. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:15:34 -0000 The system in question has its primary NIC on one particular network and a default route to the gateway on that network and all of that works fine. I needed the system to communicate fully on two different networks so we enabled the second interface card and it works on that second subnet. You can connect to hosts there and hosts on that network see the new interface. The problem is that it doesn't know anything about the router on that second network. I don't want it to loose the default router but it needs to be fully connected from the second interface as it is a name server and it is about to move from one network to the other. I enabled the second interface as follows: ifconfig fxp1 inet 192.168.1.13 netmask 255.255.255.0 Is the route add command what I need to cause that interface to speak to the router and to hear packets addressed to it from that router? The routing issue seems to be the only connectivity problem that the second interface has. Thank you. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 20:57:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF75106566C for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:57:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dave@g8kbv.demon.co.uk) Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net (lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net [195.173.77.149]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FDEE8FC15 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from dyn-62-56-116-117.dslaccess.co.uk ([62.56.116.117] helo=[192.168.42.12]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtpa (AUTH g8kbv) (Exim 4.69) id 1QXg70-00022q-Zb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:57:54 +0000 From: "Dave" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:57:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4DFBBFD1.29262.439E4736@dave.g8kbv.demon.co.uk> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20110616160225.3d12900b@dell64> References: <20110616141030.0f3dc5f3@dell64>, <9539_1308262171_4DFA7F1B_9539_135_1_D9B37353831173459FDAA836D3B43499BF89C545@WADPMBXV0.waddell.com>, <20110616160225.3d12900b@dell64> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.61) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: Strange memory reading (hardware) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 20:57:55 -0000 > On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 17:09:30 -0500 > Gary Gatten wrote: > > > It's quite simple really, it's another hidden tax - "Redistribution > > of RAM". You see, even with all the entitlement programs "poor" > > people can't afford more than 512MB of RAM. As you are certainly > > aware that's not enough to watch YouTube and Hulu on their > > government funded (tax payer funded) ultra high speed internet > > connections. So, the government has taken some of your RAM (as you > > obviously can afford to buy more if needed) and will give it to > > those who really NEED it - so while they sit around collecting > > government aid (tax payer earnings) their streaming video's will > > play smoothly. > > What! I didn't even vote for those guys. :-) > > > > Woa - I guess I digressed a bit... > > > > Ummm, sorry - I don't know why this would be. Is there some memory > > mapped video (or disk controller?) stealing RAM? > > > I guess I wasn't clear. Only 2752 MB is show during POST instead 0f > 4096. It has always shown 4096 on this MB. > > Thanks for lighting up my day with the above humor. :-) > > Robert > > What does Memtest86 show, if you try running that? I've had issues in the past where one stick has a single bad bit (in a 512M stick) that caused all sorts of strange things with the BIOS, but not the OS!.. Memtest86 (eventually) found it, testing 1 stick at a time in each of 4 slots. Took ages... DaveB From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 21:25:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70FCD106564A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:25:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1928FC0A for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:25:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.72]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x9Ah1g0061ZMdJ4A39RXsN; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:25:31 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([68.41.84.140]) by omta16.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id x9Qh1g00K31ffPo8c9Qiiz; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:24:43 +0000 Message-ID: <4DFBC64F.8020406@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:25:35 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org References: <201106171158.p5HBw3Hb015137@fire.js.berklix.net> In-Reply-To: <201106171158.p5HBw3Hb015137@fire.js.berklix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Subject: Re: versions of software X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:25:33 -0000 On 6/17/2011 7:58 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> FreeBSD can also run a lot of Linux Applications just fine with the >> Linux_Enable="YES" added to /etc/rc.conf and, not only that, I've heard > > /etc/defaults/rc.conf has it in lower case linux_enable="NO" Yea I know, I'm still awake from yesterday, which is 24 hours as of now, and I hit Shift heh ;) > Cheers, > Julian -gore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 22:02:25 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B1810656D0 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:02:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041868FC18 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5HM29Gr017973; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:02:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:02:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: alex@stangl.us, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <20110617170347.GB55156@scout.stangl.us> Cc: Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:02:25 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jun 17 12:22:42 2011 > Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 12:03:47 -0500 > From: Alex Stangl > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: free sco unix > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 10:28:51AM -0600, Chad Perrin wrote: > > Registration aids enforcement. Of course, there's always the "poor man's > > copyright registration" approach, where the moment you have something you > > would like to protect by copyright, you can seal it up in an envelope and > > mail it to yourself. Keep it sealed. If you ever need proof of > > copyright, including date of copyright, you can then take the sealed > > envelope with you to court to show the postmark date, unseal the > > envelope, and show the full text of the document inside. > > > > Of course, it's not *perfect*. It may be that postmarks stop being > > regarded as suitable proof of date at some point, thanks to increasing > > ability to fake a postmark. Your sealed envelope trick only works once. > > You need to protect that sealed envelope against loss and damage. You > > would need to do this for *everything* for which you want to have some > > kind of proof of date of copyright, which can fill up file cabinets in a > > hurry. This is why copyright registration is still useful. > > Sorry to contribute to this long thread that is only peripherally > related to FreeBSD, but I have to ask -- does this trick really work? > You can send yourself unsealed (or just very lightly sealed, or with > manilla envelopes, just use the clasp, not the gum) envelopes whenever > you like, and then insert contents & seal at some later date. It seems > a flimsy "proof" that the contents actually were in the envelope as of > the postmark date. I'd be curious to find out whether courts have > really accepted this, or whether it's more of an urban legend. OK, time for somebody who really knows about this stuff to wade in. Under 'modern' copyright law -- i.e. in any country that has adopted the 'Berne Convention" treaty on copyright law: 1) Copyright protection attaches _automatically_ when an 'original work of authorship' is first 'fixed in a tangible medium of expression'. 2) The copyright belongs to the person who created the 'original work' in question, *unless* it is a 'work done for hire', which covers almost all work done by an employee, _and_ *some* work done by a contractor. In general, if using a contractor, the contract should specify that copyright is assigned to the person paying for the work. 3) In the U.S. 'registering' the copyright with the copyright officE (a part of the Library of Congress) gives you certain legal rights that are *NOT* available if you have not registered the copyright. T includes 'statutory' and 'punitive' damages, instead of just 'actual' damagers. Registration also 'conclusively establishes' the date of authorship as 'not after' the date of registraton. 4) In the U.S., one can officially register copyright on something up to SIX MONTHS _after_ first 'publication'. 5) To establish copyright infringement, there are several things you have to 'prove' ("by a prepondernace of the evidence") in court: 1) that you authored the work in question. 2) that you authored it _before_ the infringer produced their 'copy'. 3) that the 'infringer' _had_access_ to your work. The 'mail it to yourself' approach does *not* give you the same legal protections as actual 'registration' does. The 'mail it to yourself' approach _may_ be used as evidence in an attempt to 'persuade' the court with regard to the date of authorship. It _is_ subject to challenge for the reasons cited above. In fact the 'old' wisdom was to have someone 'trustworthy', like your lawyer, mail it 'registered mail, return receipt', because the receipt was produced by the Post Office, and _not_ subject to manipulation by the putative 'author', and that reputable 'third party' can testify as to what they put in the envelope that was mailed. Of course, in _todays_ world, just sending registered mail is -more- expensive than a Copyright Office filing. Without even considering what you'd have to pay your lawyer. The 'mail it to yourself' approach is _not_ a "slam-dunk" for establishing authorship, *or* date of authorship. Nor is it automatically superior to other recordskeeping methods. I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a notary public 'witness' the signature. One final poinnt -- copyright law _does_ recognize that parallel *independant* development _can_ occur. Two people *can* write works that are virtually identical, *without* either having any knowledge of the other persons work. In this situation, they _both_ own the copyright on their own work, but -neither- can prevent the other from publishing that "other", virtually identical, work. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jun 17 22:49:18 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD2081065673 for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:49:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60AF68FC1B for ; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:49:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXhqm-0004jW-Pb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 00:49:16 +0200 Received: from pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.79.85.36]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 00:49:16 +0200 Received: from nightrecon by pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 00:49:16 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Michael Powell Followup-To: gmane.os.freebsd.questions Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 18:49:51 -0400 Lines: 69 Message-ID: References: <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615090401.0181fea8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615150619.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615155910.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615175738.019581f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110615191858.018e54e0@sage-american.com> <64D6EF8B-A799-4D8C-A688-FC020CCFEFD1@d3photography.com> <85B7376289F04B2596EBE3090DB9D970@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616085819.018c54e0@sage-american.com> <0122428124834D73AAE4EE5178CEE27C@rivendell> <3.0.1.32.20110616105844.027f64f8@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.20110616144533.0196a408@sage-american.com> <3.0.1.32.2011 0617192644.03caff20@38.106.15.121> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-173-79-85-36.washdc.fios.verizon.net Subject: Re: Another PHP5 problem X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:49:18 -0000 Jack L. Stone wrote: [snip] > > A note of concern was that apache22 changes the path to the document root > by inserting ../www/apache22/data > versus the previous ../www/data doc root. > > Of course my vhosts and a bunch of other things of importance now reside > within the ../www path. I suppose I can change the doc root within the > apache22 config file(s) but I can forsee some possible breakage in things > on a production server when before, when moving from apache-1.3 to > apache2, web things were put in the same path and without any > modifications needed. I suppose this only affects the main host server > stuff and things left in the ../www placement will still work as before > according to the present setup. > > In examining the apache22 Makefile I see some places that the path might > be changed, but don't know if that is the best idea vs maybe changing the > doc root in apache22 config. A 3rd choice is to move stuff contained in > the ../www/cgi-bin phpMyAdmin ...etc things that the main host needs to > find in the new location. > > What did you fellows do about this issue that worked best for you assuming > y'all had vhosts and similar stuff to worry about? Me I just bit the bullet and went with the new locations as they were installed as defaults. I moved my content to the location. None of my content cared about the underlying file system path, however there is code that does. When faced with this most of the time there is some configuration utility that can be run to make changes, with the actual data you enter being stored in a database backend. This then becomes a choice of "is it easier to simply modify the docroot in the .conf files?", if you have this situation. I made the choice I did because none of my code cared. My thinking was it would be better to have this arrangement in place for catastrophe requiring a complete reinstall from scratch. Changing the docroot in the .conf files (vhosts have docroot and Directory directives as well) is not as dangerous as it sounds. For example, when you change httpd.conf and later attempt to pkg_delete or deinstall the port you'll see a message about it not matching the checksum of the original and it will be left intact and not deleted. Same goes for updating with portupgrade, it will not replace your changed files either. So my first choice would be use the new layout and move file content. If this creates more problems than it's worth because too much code relies on being aware of the underlying file system, changing the docroot in the .conf files is the lesser of two evils but not as dangerous as it sounds. > Methinks this is my last question before moving to production servers. You're doing it right by testing with a test server first. I only have 7 FreeBSD servers at work (we're a winderZ shop) with 2 at home. The 2 at home are close to being exactly the same as the ones at work in that the same environment and apps are installed with configurations pretty much the same. I use portupgrade for maintenance and upgrades. I've learned over time one trick with portupgrade is to check often, and upgrade in very small batches. I've noticed a higher probability of a hiccup when too much time goes by and now a hundred things all need updating at the same time. Update policies and procedures will vary by shop, such as doing a dump for being able to roll back, etc. What I do is test out any potential update on the servers at home first. If I get the warm fuzzy and everything is smooth I will then do the ones at work. -Mike From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 01:16:45 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4770B1065670 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy3-pub.bluehost.com [69.89.21.8]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 123498FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:16:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 12071 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jun 2011 01:16:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box543.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.143) by oproxy3.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Jun 2011 01:16:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=apotheon.com; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Mail-Followup-To:References:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To:User-Agent:X-Identified-User; b=QxvWuJyqNYgfzoDH9EAuFrr66wEdK1D02M1FOSMgKP0J2bO9EaX3z2z8HHqvBAmWTTIkbj5d7WaxxpG4OZ6XgnlqPmW8VVb/rMZ/FCw9XMGqxuQET+SHABCOd0mvoO20; Received: from c-24-8-180-234.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.8.180.234] helo=kukaburra.hydra) by box543.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXk9T-00043m-6j for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:16:44 -0600 Received: by kukaburra.hydra (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:01:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 19:01:29 -0600 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110618010129.GA75720@guilt.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110617170347.GB55156@scout.stangl.us> <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="opJtzjQTFsWo+cga" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {2737:box543.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.org} {sentby:smtp auth 24.8.180.234 authed with ren@apotheon.org} Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:16:45 -0000 --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 05:02:09PM -0500, Robert Bonomi wrote: >=20 > OK, time for somebody who really knows about this stuff to wade in. [snip] Thanks for much more clearly stating, in much greater detail, exactly what I was trying to say -- and for adding a bunch of additional detail. --=20 Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ] --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk37+OkACgkQ9mn/Pj01uKX5AwCg32yGJrOH9equL5ajcf4u+O8S qdwAoKfJNliEgfbb2OpwRbELAeUech91 =K/KY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 01:39:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A627106566B for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:39:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00AE08FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E352DCB0; Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 21:39:10 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Robert Bonomi , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <927EEA7D9634ED83F7CEAD83@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> In-Reply-To: <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 01:39:12 -0000 --As of June 17, 2011 5:02:09 PM -0500, Robert Bonomi is alleged to have said: > 4) In the U.S., one can officially register copyright on something up to > SIX MONTHS _after_ first 'publication'. --As for the rest, it is mine. Actually, you can register it at any time after it has been created, until the copyright period ends. (Even before it's been published.) Though you get certain benefits if you register within five years of it's creation. Also note that to file a _copyright suit_ your work has to be registered. But this registration can occur _after_ the infringement. (Although if it's done beforehand you'll have an easier time with your case, and some extra legal options.) Bare details available here: Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 02:42:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAEF7106566C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:42:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8F38FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:42:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xEVv1g0021Y3wxoABEiAw3; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:42:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([68.41.84.140]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xEhT1g01S31ffPo8bEhVE8; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:41:29 +0000 Message-ID: <4DFC1086.2070602@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:42:14 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <20110616182011.GO5630@external.screwed.box> <20110616184620.GB68867@guilt.hydra> <20110616192133.GP5630@external.screwed.box> <1B9EDB7CFB3ABCAA2E566153@mac-pro.magehandbook.com> <20110617004745.e5245e96.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110617004745.e5245e96.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:42:12 -0000 On 6/16/2011 6:47 PM, Polytropon wrote: > There is another important term, but I'm not sure how to > translate it properly. In German, it's "Schaffenshoehe", > refering to the "level of work you put into creating it". > This finalizes in patent law. To make sure nobody can make > money out of "trivial patents", such as patenting the > word "or" and forcing everybody to pay a license fee for > using it, there is a certain barrier that prohibits > copyright claims on "too simple things". When a lot of people think of Unix as an OS these days they probably think of SCO; And another German word comes to mind when I think of SCO; Schadenfreude ;) -gore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 02:45:48 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2325C106566C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:45:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D9A8FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:45:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xEbi1g0010EPchoACEll6x; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:45:46 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([68.41.84.140]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xElt1g00331ffPo8MElujJ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:45:55 +0000 Message-ID: <4DFC115D.6060608@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:45:49 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DF9174F.50708@danskdatacenter.dk> <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:45:48 -0000 On 6/17/2011 1:57 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 17, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: > You assert this claim as well, but it's not at all clear whether > anything but works created by government employees can be placed in > the public domain. > > http://www.publicdomainsherpa.com/no-rights-reserved.html Night of the Living Dead comes to mind. -gore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 02:51:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 445BE106566C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:51:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from unix.hacker@comcast.net) Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26AE28FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xEj51g0011u4NiLA2Erlyj; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:51:45 +0000 Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([68.41.84.140]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xEr51g00K31ffPo8hEr7n9; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:51:07 +0000 Message-ID: <4DFC12C5.6000100@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 22:51:49 -0400 From: Allen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <4DFA03A3.8090500@infracaninophile.co.uk> <20110616152941.GL5630@external.screwed.box> <201106161154.06300.rsimmons0@gmail.com> <20110616162032.GN5630@external.screwed.box> <3d43539af0e60964a0406b8df304f16c.squirrel@www.magehandbook.com> <4DFAD6BF.5070307@bah.homeip.net> <4DFAE497.2030408@bah.homeip.net> <20110617162851.GC73147@guilt.hydra> <20110617175907.GA73740@guilt.hydra> <0391CFA3-217C-46BE-BDFE-63C36CF8EAEB@mac.com> In-Reply-To: <0391CFA3-217C-46BE-BDFE-63C36CF8EAEB@mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 02:51:47 -0000 On 6/17/2011 2:48 PM, Chuck Swiger wrote: > On Jun 17, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Chad Perrin wrote: >>> Sigh. If you'd ever actually filed a copyright registration or >>> transfer form, you would discover that one needs to get them notarized. >>> (Documenting that a certain document was available and signed at a >>> specific date is what a notary public is for.) >>> >>> There is no case law in the US to support this "poor man's copyright." >>> >>> http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#what >> >> That page does not say anything about case law. It refers to copyright >> law, which is law on the books -- not case law. > > Yes, I know the difference. You're welcome to cite a court case in the US where a judge decided that this "poor man's copyright" constituted valid evidence of copyright ownership. > >> The "poor man's copyright" approach is, I believe, less certain and >> effective than registration, but if there is a dispute over proper claim >> of copyright, anything you can do to add evidenciary support for your >> claim will help. > > Many people seem to believe their opinions matter more than facts which contradict such beliefs. Snopes is knocking, and they'd like this misinformation retracted: > > http://www.snopes.com/legal/postmark.asp > >> In my previous explanation, of course, I neglected to mention that the >> way to ensure some kind of strength of evidence is to use metered mail, >> specifically so that nobody will be able to (as) convincingly claim you >> just mailed yourself an empty envelope and stuffed it later. > > Is there some part of "you're repeating an urban legend which has been discredited" which you find hard to understand? > > [ ... ] >>> Let me repeat: unless you are a lawyer, you are not qualified to >>> provide legal advice. >> >> Let me be clear: >> >> I didn't give legal advice. I didn't say "You should do this." I said, >> in effect, "This is what I have observed." In fact, nothing I said is >> any more advisory than what you said. >> >> For someone intent on giving the impression of precision, your precision sucks. > > > Are you willing to acknowledge that your claims about "poor man's copyright" in the US are invalid? If you can't be honest enough to do so, frankly, your opinions about my precision-- or anything else-- aren't a matter of concern. > > Regards, I think the problem with you two is that it's really hard to get a real Lawyer to respond to any of this considering how hard it is to type on a keyboard with your hands in someone Else's pockets. -gore From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 13:28:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 746F0106566B for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:28:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3826F8FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:28:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so3583121vws.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:28:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.215.193 with SMTP id hf1mr1351205vcb.4.1308403704883; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.80.144 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 06:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.183.59] In-Reply-To: <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <20110617170347.GB55156@scout.stangl.us> <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:28:24 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:28:27 -0000 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi wrote: > I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a > notary public 'witness' the signature. True. Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I think) only the US offers, and when you need a legally binding "official stamp" of some sort, you can go to a registered public notary. They're mildly expensive though; certainly a lot more expensive than the US Copyright Office fees. But if your work doesn't consist of too many pages, you can also get a dated and signed stamp on each one at your local city hall / administration. They call that kind of service a "certified copy" or "copy certification." Bear in mind though, that each page of your work has to be stamped, and the fee paid for extra. For small page counts, that's okay, but try this with a 1,000 pages work, and you'll quickly find out that it's less expensive to use a public notary, even though they charge more. Actually, it's a shame that other countries DON'T offer the ease of official copyright registration (for a comparatively low fee) like the US does with the Copyright Office. That's one of the things the US did right (irrespective of what we think of the benefits and evils of Copyright law in general and their endless extensions towards perpetual copyright in particular). -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 13:36:21 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DC8A106566B for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:36:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bonomi@mail.r-bonomi.com) Received: from mail.r-bonomi.com (mx-out.r-bonomi.com [204.87.227.120]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA98B8FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: (from bonomi@localhost) by mail.r-bonomi.com (8.14.4/rdb1) id p5IDa5jk023941; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:36:05 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:36:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Robert Bonomi Message-Id: <201106181336.p5IDa5jk023941@mail.r-bonomi.com> To: cpghost@cordula.ws In-Reply-To: Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:36:21 -0000 > From cpghost@cordula.ws Sat Jun 18 08:28:25 2011 > Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:28:24 +0200 > Subject: Re: free sco unix > From: "C. P. Ghost" > To: Robert Bonomi > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi > wrote: > > I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a > > notary public 'witness' the signature. > > True. > > Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I think) > only the US offers, and when you need a legally binding "official stamp" of > some sort, you can go to a registered public notary. They're mildly expensive > though; certainly a lot more expensive than the US Copyright Office fees. 'Male bovine excrement' applies. U.S. Copyright Office registration is an absolute minimum of $25-30, and can run over $100. Typical fee, in the U.S., for a notary public witnessing a signature is $1. And many facilities, such as banks, will perform the service for _NO_COST_ for their customers. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 14:17:17 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1855B106566B for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:17:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD45F8FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:17:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so3623616vxc.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:17:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.110.96 with SMTP id m32mr1299207vcp.109.1308406635685; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:17:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.80.144 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 07:17:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.183.59] In-Reply-To: <201106181336.p5IDa5jk023941@mail.r-bonomi.com> References: <201106181336.p5IDa5jk023941@mail.r-bonomi.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:17:15 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Robert Bonomi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:17:17 -0000 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Robert Bonomi w= rote: > >> From cpghost@cordula.ws =A0Sat Jun 18 08:28:25 2011 >> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:28:24 +0200 >> Subject: Re: free sco unix >> From: "C. P. Ghost" >> To: Robert Bonomi >> Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >> >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi >> wrote: >> > I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and hav= e a >> > notary public 'witness' the signature. >> >> True. >> >> Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I th= ink) >> only the US offers, and when you need a legally binding "official stamp"= of >> some sort, you can go to a registered public notary. They're mildly expe= nsive >> though; certainly a lot more expensive than the US Copyright Office fees= . > > 'Male bovine excrement' applies. > > U.S. Copyright Office registration is an absolute minimum of $25-30, and = can > run over $100. > > Typical fee, in the U.S., for a notary public witnessing a signature is $= 1. > And many facilities, such as banks, will perform the service for _NO_COST= _ > for their customers. Outside the US, it's quite different. A public notary's fees run in the hun= dreds of dollars, but it's usually a flat fee... while public copy certifications are around $1-$2 per page, unless when required by law and statues. Banks are private institutions there, and they are not entitled to legally certify non-banking stuff. In some countries, you could go to the post office though, but here too, th= e fee usually applies per page. The problem with per-page fees is when you have many pages (like a book, or say, a printout of your code) that you want to certify. Unless you go to= a notary and pay the according fee for them to KEEP (a copy of) the book in their office and/or certify EVERY page or be prepared to witness for each a= nd every page (!), all you get is the certification of a couple of pages, and = that could be insufficiant in some cases (e.g. in the case of program source cod= e). That's why IMHO, the fees of the US Copyright Office are STILL way lower than what you'd have to pay elsewhere to get a similar certification. -cpghost. --=20 Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 15:16:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B7D1065672 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:16:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (gizmo.acns.msu.edu [35.8.1.43]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98EBC8FC16 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:16:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gizmo.acns.msu.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p5IEa7Yq023354; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:36:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc@gizmo.acns.msu.edu) Received: (from jerrymc@localhost) by gizmo.acns.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id p5IEa7a1023353; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:36:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jerrymc) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:36:07 -0400 From: Jerry McAllister To: "C. P. Ghost" Message-ID: <20110618143607.GA23314@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> References: <20110617170347.GB55156@scout.stangl.us> <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, Robert Bonomi Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:16:35 -0000 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:24PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi > wrote: > > I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a > > notary public 'witness' the signature. > > True. > > Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I think) > only the US offers, and when you need a legally binding "official stamp" of > some sort, you can go to a registered public notary. They're mildly expensive > though; certainly a lot more expensive than the US Copyright Office fees. Have you ever had something notarized? I have had many things. It is not generally expensive. They ask $5 - $20 and many banks will have someone who will do it for for free if you have an account in the bank. That is much cheaper than doing an officialy USA registration. What the Notary notarizes is your signature being done at that place and on that date. ////jerry > -cpghost. > > -- > Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 16:09:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45CA4106566B for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:09:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrruwe@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f68.google.com (mail-fx0-f68.google.com [209.85.161.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10D48FC12 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:09:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so72757fxm.7 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:09:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type; bh=BZC5E67QM4L4X4cIzRh0o41K2APFBlp/omtFteHZASE=; b=vKfbh9gUW6aT66KR0Kz/TPo0yCS+G4hVIhgS1yXIlZRFqW1C0GNfjDzj22X23VpAuH y/q9gyBJcBFW2IKcTFKz4FudzLr1yNiw5Laa2B2S06bs1fscdEh+sEiJ8UfadP7ZyZUJ O2FoKFMHjq2p+k99Kqcl8q8HrCjv5PVJADex0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type; b=cCE7p/brjwmjhYTM3nx3I4DemiL2T3P3K+eqlyU/mqxBWroFSZNeSykRLmdLG7cCKb 2ZSl/8zB5qvw+Rew4uPzbiKZ2ENJps9Wd4U7ECX324/QHmwLuu6MS9m4Vm+QKGuZXimZ 2bnWwSz+hvrV6UK8wMet0yKM0I4XTrFV/dzY8= Received: by 10.223.92.146 with SMTP id r18mr3766694fam.135.1308413343937; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dijkstra (p5B37B7C6.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.183.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e15sm1874272faa.47.2011.06.18.09.09.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:09:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:08:58 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: Message-ID: <20110618180858.41cda851@dijkstra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="MP_/SLl018y2N3Fkkv+K9=dGjZZ" Cc: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org, reebsd@str.komkon.org Subject: problem report bin/157732, patch included X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjr@cruwe.de List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:09:06 -0000 --MP_/SLl018y2N3Fkkv+K9=dGjZZ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Currently, I have issues mailing to *@freebsd.org, so please reply to cjr@cruwe.de. I have started looking at FreeBSD bug reports recently to improve my skills in C, to learn more about operating systems which I am concentrating on at university and, at some point, contribute should my abilities permit (tired of being consumer of other's work only). I am not entirely sure I am addressing the right list, setting my issue on the right track will be much appreciated, ;-) I have analysed http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/157732 as an excercise and found a hard string limit to be encoded into traceroute.c, checking whether the hostname passed to traceroute is longer than 64 (traceroute line 1621, cf. http://fxr.aydogan.net/xref/src/contrib/traceroute/traceroute.c#1621). The same code can be found in NetBSD and probably some more programs, as traceroute appears to be rather old code (Tue Dec 20 03:50:13 PST 1988 according to comment). Reading futher, I noticed, that inet_addr() was used to get IP from the hostname. I have not found any resources hinting that inet_addr() was not able to deal with hostnames longer than 64. although there is a report of a tracesroute (similar?) that could produce buffer overflows with long hostnames. Experimentally, I have removed the offending lines, compiled a world and ran the new traceroute with the example Igor provided, i.e., ./playworld/usr/sbin/traceroute hlfxns0188w-099192079201.pppoe-dynamic.high-speed.ns.bellaliant.net traceroute to hlfxns0188w-099192079201.pppoe-dynamic.high-speed.ns.bellaliant.net (99.192.79.201), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 speedport.ip (192.168.2.1) 0.419 ms 0.442 ms 0.442 ms 2 217.0.118.104 (217.0.118.104) 37.232 ms 37.396 ms 36.645 ms 3 87.186.244.186 (87.186.244.186) 38.319 ms 38.672 ms 37.741 ms 4 d-ec1-i.D.DE.NET.DTAG.DE (62.154.43.134) 38.376 ms 217.239.37.150 (217.239.37.150) 38.495 ms d-ec1-i.d.de.net.dtag.de (62.154.43.134) 38.839 ms 5 194.25.211.130 (194.25.211.130) 56.736 ms 38.338 ms 38.484 ms 6 xe-8-1-0.was10.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.183.154) 134.724 ms xe-7-1-0.was10.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.183.150) 132.715 ms 133.687 ms 7 bell-aliant-regional-communications-gw.ip4.tinet.net (77.67.71.210) 131.050 ms 130.681 ms 129.450 ms 8 xe-5-1-0.cr02.hlfx.ns.aliant.net (207.231.227.5) 149.687 ms 150.815 ms xe-5-0-1.cr02.hlfx.ns.aliant.net (207.231.227.9) 163.629 ms 9 lag-2-84.88w.ba16.hlfx.ns.aliant.net (142.176.53.57) 152.538 ms 150.338 ms te-4-0-0-83.88w.ba16.hlfx.ns.aliant.net (142.176.53.41) 151.741 ms 10 * * * 11 * * * 12 * * * 13 * * * 14 * * * 15 * * * 16 * *^C after which, as you can see, I aborted. The hostname looks like some dialup line host, which may or may not be online (and according to a ping, isn't). It can be seen, that the function called after that ominous < 64 check, inet_addr(), returns what appears to be a valid ip. I can imagine several reasons for forbidding any hostnames > 64, among others, limited resources on machines at the time of traceroute being written (1988) or, more importantly, security considerations similar to the buffer overflow issue I found on the net. I can find no issues regarding hostname-lenght in inet_addr(), though. As I am new to this kind of work, I still (and will probably for some time) need help. Can somebody advise me on if and if, where, to conduct further research on the nature of the !> 64 issue and if and if, how, to analyse possible security considerations of that !>64 issue? Futhermore, should nobody have any ideas on my fix being dangerous or not, how can I have my fix reviewed more thoroughly (and possibly integrated)? Thank you for our help, have a nice weekend, cheers -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 --MP_/SLl018y2N3Fkkv+K9=dGjZZ Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=pr-bin-157732.patch --- /usr/src/contrib/traceroute/traceroute.c 2009-09-13 13:34:33.000000000 +0200 +++ /usr/home/chris/playsrc/contrib/traceroute/traceroute.c 2011-06-17 16:11:01.095616587 +0200 @@ -1625,11 +1625,11 @@ register char **p; register u_int32_t addr, *ap; - if (strlen(hostname) > 64) { + /*if (strlen(hostname) > 64) { Fprintf(stderr, "%s: hostname \"%.32s...\" is too long\n", prog, hostname); exit(1); - } + }*/ hi = calloc(1, sizeof(*hi)); if (hi == NULL) { Fprintf(stderr, "%s: calloc %s\n", prog, strerror(errno)); --MP_/SLl018y2N3Fkkv+K9=dGjZZ-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 16:20:47 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496C9106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:20:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrruwe@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f68.google.com (mail-fx0-f68.google.com [209.85.161.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB4628FC1E for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:20:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so73454fxm.7 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:20:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=7QftacesXE/MPDntpQ0fcajtwIfakcUdIahKaYTCiz0=; b=wIPw2MOHz2TRb3xq/8/KFsG1LkSyGoNzMPr0qVPcMJTaN9I7rkQJOuM5zhz0q9e5o0 px8fryXw7+UD8JxbO0BNeeFcdu4bjrtIK/WcC8FKhwRJEW4znkmJgtfLrVT+CuFCQIxA W8Kv/x9SFz77EQSfpiXsq/TtotkDPorLVDw/g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TYnnWw4HjptBIitJSLat4nnRpZCf97a6CoyK0fOYKOk65Ype1cuMy3vQsfdRcHNdBP rXlqea0yBNltJQpWV/vXtEb9qoc23xxhWi8bqHwwhuQbC1wF/pU7Wrh8B/8B78s5zspH JfL3otO2MIwy5cZN7dmjrTx8Ge5UQPRGsXAzY= Received: by 10.223.62.194 with SMTP id y2mr3804546fah.123.1308414045684; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dijkstra (p5B37B7C6.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.183.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m26sm1876737fab.34.2011.06.18.09.20.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:20:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:20:39 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110618182039.721cd894@dijkstra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cjr@cruwe.de Subject: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjr@cruwe.de List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:20:47 -0000 I have a problem with my mail-server configuration so that mail sent will not reach any freebsd adresses. The solutions offered in similar mails already accessible via various archives did not help :-( I usually send mail from the domain cruwe.de with the mail-server mail.cruwe.de. My configration is as such, that $ host cruwe.de cruwe.de has address 188.40.164.98 cruwe.de mail is handled by 10 mail.cruwe.de. and $ host mail.cruwe.de mail.cruwe.de has address 188.40.164.98 mail.cruwe.de mail is handled by 10 mail.cruwe.de. Now, $ dig cruwe.de ; <<>> DiG 9.6.3 <<>> cruwe.de ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 32046 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;cruwe.de. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: cruwe.de. 300 IN A 188.40.164.98 ;; Query time: 73 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.2.1#53(192.168.2.1) ;; WHEN: Sat Jun 18 17:51:14 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 42 is right and [chris@dijkstra:~]$ dig -x 188.40.164.98 ; <<>> DiG 9.6.3 <<>> -x 188.40.164.98 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40136 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;98.164.40.188.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 98.164.40.188.in-addr.arpa. 267 IN PTR cruwe.de. ;; Query time: 10 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.2.1#53(192.168.2.1) ;; WHEN: Sat Jun 18 17:51:48 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 66 seems to be OK. Does anyone have an idea what could be the issue? Thank you, cheers -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 16:23:16 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5414A106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:23:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrruwe@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31A68FC13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:23:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so1114967fxm.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 09:23:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:x-mailer :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=omRqkwHy6NgBxyDrpPreossBqnP1KdF5umoDkO7oIKo=; b=BLI0LADN2G6PHJW0cJldUYzct/u3VHJYzXhchEeq/z0NJdRuXOJ4uqiMYPyePT8ACO 9+m9e+SY+zYDBPS2ZTyPPOpp7xrPS8neIt53ZOYwkKP0jBBNFNJznp7CTaXZ6/eON8A9 JIuCJECbkJJeMZH1+Yr9oM4uacgoxW/mK+Lno= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Nd25ZyQ0f1Y0V/GExz4HQJFjX/x0B5xLzhLLGaKTqhW506Mv5pTixDjA5O1xB//nIS ftsF6FrR72xiaMMalCrSk9qqGafqBRiUHb6t7vnY1fqZhyiOGfRLI6KA+k0BDUQJ5iNd t2kgMuY8rgxhTsvMy0QscDOOzI9kIJgsVeOC0= Received: by 10.223.37.153 with SMTP id x25mr3827324fad.117.1308412443327; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dijkstra (p5B37B7C6.dip.t-dialin.net [91.55.183.198]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1sm1867612fag.11.2011.06.18.08.54.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 08:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:53:57 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: cjr@cruwe.de Subject: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:23:16 -0000 I have a problem with my mail-server configuration so that mail sent will not reach any freebsd adresses. The solutions offered in similar mails already accessible via various archives did not help :-( I usually send mail from the domain cruwe.de with the mail-server mail.cruwe.de. My configration is as such, that $ host cruwe.de cruwe.de has address 188.40.164.98 cruwe.de mail is handled by 10 mail.cruwe.de. and $ host mail.cruwe.de mail.cruwe.de has address 188.40.164.98 mail.cruwe.de mail is handled by 10 mail.cruwe.de. Now, $ dig cruwe.de ; <<>> DiG 9.6.3 <<>> cruwe.de ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 32046 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;cruwe.de. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: cruwe.de. 300 IN A 188.40.164.98 ;; Query time: 73 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.2.1#53(192.168.2.1) ;; WHEN: Sat Jun 18 17:51:14 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 42 is right and [chris@dijkstra:~]$ dig -x 188.40.164.98 ; <<>> DiG 9.6.3 <<>> -x 188.40.164.98 ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 40136 ;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;98.164.40.188.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 98.164.40.188.in-addr.arpa. 267 IN PTR cruwe.de. ;; Query time: 10 msec ;; SERVER: 192.168.2.1#53(192.168.2.1) ;; WHEN: Sat Jun 18 17:51:48 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 66 seems to be OK. Does anyone have an idea what could be the issue? Thank you, cheers -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 16:55:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B94106566B for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:55:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 364F08FC13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10224523; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:55:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.232] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10224521 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4DFCD869.5050205@radel.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:55:05 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110617170347.GB55156@scout.stangl.us> <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20110618143607.GA23314@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <20110618143607.GA23314@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:55:27 -0000 On 6/18/11 10:36 AM, Jerry McAllister wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:28:24PM +0200, C. P. Ghost wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Robert Bonomi >> wrote: >>> I'ts _MUCH_ simpler, to just sign and date a copy of the work, and have a >>> notary public 'witness' the signature. >> >> True. >> >> Without the service of a public registry of copyrighted works that (I think) >> only the US offers, and when you need a legally binding "official stamp" of >> some sort, you can go to a registered public notary. They're mildly expensive >> though; certainly a lot more expensive than the US Copyright Office fees. > > Have you ever had something notarized? I have had many things. It is > not generally expensive. They ask $5 - $20 and many banks will have > someone who will do it for for free if you have an account in the bank. > That is much cheaper than doing an officialy USA registration. > What the Notary notarizes is your signature being done at that place and on > that date. > > ////jerry This stream of comments from people who, for reasons I can't quite fathom, but I like to give them the benefit of the doubt and figure that they really don't know how provincial they're being, figure that everything is *just*like*it*is*in*their*country*of*residence* is really becoming quite tedious. Could we please stop it? Face it folks, despite global commerce and a heap of treaties, the low-level mechanics of how banking, the courts, notarizing documents, applying for patents, registering copyrights, etc., etc., etc. work vary from country to country, sometimes rather wildly. --Jon Radel jon@radel.com Adding terribly to the noise, once and only once From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 17:03:12 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17F33106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:03:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from wave.radel.com (wave.radel.com [216.143.151.4]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D578FC17 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro PIPE 4.1.6) with PIPE id 10224533; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:03:11 -0400 Received: from [192.168.43.232] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by wave.radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.6) with ESMTP-TLS id 10224531 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <4DFCDA43.4090105@radel.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:02:59 -0400 From: Jon Radel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Radel.com-MailScanner-Information: Please contact Jon for more information X-Radel.com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Mailer: CommuniGate Pro CLI mailer Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:03:12 -0000 On 6/18/11 11:53 AM, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > > I have a problem with my mail-server configuration so that mail sent > will not reach any freebsd adresses. The solutions offered in similar > mails already accessible via various archives did not help :-( And yet, yet, yet, here is your mail. In duplicate no less. Next time please: 1) tell us what you actually mean by "will not reach" 2) keep in mind that some mailing lists greylist incoming mail In other words, be specific and patient. --Jon Radel jon@radel.com From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 17:16:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9880E106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from lo.gmane.org (lo.gmane.org [80.91.229.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6188FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QXz7t-0002md-0B for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:16:05 +0200 Received: from pool-116.enst-bretagne.fr ([192.108.117.68]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:16:04 +0200 Received: from fred by pool-116.enst-bretagne.fr with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:16:04 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: =?utf-8?B?RnLDqWTDqXJpYw==?= Perrin Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:15:57 +0200 Lines: 26 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: pool-116.enst-bretagne.fr User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:yXSiv8NC7rLXJVrnPpMoQ+bBsys= Subject: Messages from MCA in the kernel log X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:16:06 -0000 Hello list, The following appeared in the dmesg buffer of my FreeBSD server. From my reading of x86/x86/mca.c, this means that the CPU had two (correctable) cache errors. This doesn't help me much, as I don't know what MCA, DRD, SNOOP and {D,G}CACHE stand for... Is it a transient error? Should I start screaming at my hosting provider so he changes my CPU? The box has an Intel Celeron CPU 2.66GHz. It runs FreeBSD 8.2. A dmesg can be found at . It is a 'kimsufi' (the cheapest model as of 18 months ago, no longer featured on kimsufi.com). +MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xcc00000120040189 +MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000180204, Status 0x0000000000000000 +MCA: Vendor "GenuineIntel", ID 0xf49, APIC ID 0 +MCA: CPU 0 COR OVER GCACHE L1 SNOOP error +MCA: Address 0x1015b00 +MCA: Misc 0x140002d800aa0 +MCA: Bank 1, Status 0x8000002000000135 +MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000180204, Status 0x0000000000000000 +MCA: Vendor "GenuineIntel", ID 0xf49, APIC ID 0 +MCA: CPU 0 COR DCACHE L1 DRD error -- Frédéric Perrin -- http://tar-jx.bz From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 17:19:35 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F0C5106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA72A8FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:19:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5IHD3mn027962 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:13:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:19:33 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:19:35 -0000 I tried ekiga but it doesn't work. It gets into standby mode and stays this way. I think it's because of firewall. There is the PR for this. I looked into Empathy. On Linux telepathy-sofiasip should be installed to add SIP to empathy, and on FreeBSD there is no such port. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 17:32:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5D61065670 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:32:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm2.ukr.net (fsm2.ukr.net [195.214.192.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5A68FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:32:45 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=k7yylHTYU008WeJpJcSyy1heykLBtICIyHmJbMYuwhc=; b=jhy6yHg3zzsRDcqmORuz0ehME0aiHNBW0ELUlquPT70TBG+A/40WDjeXdQ7fcH6hzvOX9XhpNjsSLezc/O3fYptNhjvvVYLZXBF4c8xqxh9p6SiXpGS1+w72sUqW2E+/uALN1PgIYUXLbEtohwKREgQt3Mf7SQauaxONFxMF9AE=; Received: from [46.185.1.38] (helo=localhost) by fsm2.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1QXzNy-000PjR-SX ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:32:42 +0300 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:32:41 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Yuri Message-ID: <20110618203241.5f337821@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:32:46 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:19:33 -0700 Yuri =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > I tried ekiga but it doesn't work. It gets into standby mode and > stays this way. I think it's because of firewall. There is the PR for > this. I looked into Empathy. On Linux telepathy-sofiasip should be > installed to add SIP to empathy, and on FreeBSD there is no such port. >=20 > Yuri I also can not get ekiga to work even after trying to configure a firewall and router, guided by the following instructions: http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Internet_ports_used_by_Ekiga http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Enable_port_forwarding_manually http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Ekiga_behind_a_NAT_router :( From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 17:43:27 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652C71065672 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:43:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4D98FC13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5IHatwv032476; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:36:56 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4DFCE3BD.7090607@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:43:25 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ivan Klymenko References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618203241.5f337821@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20110618203241.5f337821@ukr.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:43:27 -0000 On 06/18/2011 10:32, Ivan Klymenko wrote: > I also can not get ekiga to work even after trying to configure a > firewall and router, guided by the following instructions: > http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Internet_ports_used_by_Ekiga > http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Enable_port_forwarding_manually > > http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Ekiga_behind_a_NAT_router > > :( > I don't think you should need to configure router if it works. It should be able to find ports by itself like skype does it. If IM app can't find the way around the closed ports it isn't viable. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 18:03:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6283E1065676 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:03:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF0578FC1B for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5II3RS9012660; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:03:27 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5II3QA9012653; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:03:27 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id BA50C33C1F; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:03:26 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:03:26 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Yuri Message-ID: <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="envbJBWh7q8WU6mo" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:03:30 -0000 --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:19:33AM -0700, Yuri wrote: > > I tried ekiga but it doesn't work. It gets into standby mode and stays=20 > this way. I think it's because of firewall. There is the PR for this. > I looked into Empathy. On Linux telepathy-sofiasip should be installed=20 > to add SIP to empathy, and on FreeBSD there is no such port. >=20 > Yuri Skype works. You need a reasonably recent 7 or 8 STABLE or CURRENT and the linux-f10 stuff. There are a number of skype ports; you want to use net-im/skype. Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk386G0ACgkQHduKvUAgeK4gQQCfai2CLwZLR2zwg1uerPbUNQ+q +WsAoK+PI4yiVUoBcP51mFgl3ceHNPZ/ =SGuo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --envbJBWh7q8WU6mo-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 18:14:26 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534AD106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:14:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from fidaj@ukr.net) Received: from fsm2.ukr.net (fsm2.ukr.net [195.214.192.121]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A5D8FC18 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:14:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ukr.net; s=fsm; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Mime-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=NznltiVFVsv/MEmOvcZ6CI2bsdkGl8NTrxy/MouEpIE=; b=B8AWlEjHyUiaA1+/uJoVdxUE0j+mji6XbIilPFK1g1URQcQ8uWsnGAbz7HB/AEoZjZS6HbPlXpUM4gEftm38nMRhwwGZm2ttmZyLzfG876gDAqZ8Dpsd09m39rRIcOuN+tgk1dlZWMxtmc3X+AoygBYfrQzm3Zmc4U7irjq3K9I=; Received: from [46.185.1.38] (helo=localhost) by fsm2.ukr.net with esmtps ID 1QY02K-0004Pf-Kt ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:14:24 +0300 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:14:23 +0300 From: Ivan Klymenko To: Frank Shute Message-ID: <20110618211423.1d123bad@ukr.net> In-Reply-To: <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd9.0) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Yuri , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:14:26 -0000 =D0=92 Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:03:26 +0100 Frank Shute =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:19:33AM -0700, Yuri wrote: > > > > I tried ekiga but it doesn't work. It gets into standby mode and > > stays this way. I think it's because of firewall. There is the PR > > for this. I looked into Empathy. On Linux telepathy-sofiasip should > > be installed to add SIP to empathy, and on FreeBSD there is no such > > port. > >=20 > > Yuri >=20 > Skype works. You need a reasonably recent 7 or 8 STABLE or CURRENT and > the linux-f10 stuff. There are a number of skype ports; you want to > use net-im/skype. >=20 > Regards, >=20 For security reasons, I think that needs to do to get rid of Skype :D From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 18:24:57 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF9DD1065672 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:24:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from markham_breitbach@ssimicro.com) Received: from mail.ssimicro.com (mail.ssimicro.com [64.247.129.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635D88FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:24:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from markhams-macbook-pro-113.local (rageous.ssimicro.com [64.247.134.200]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.ssimicro.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5IIOtnw004270 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:24:55 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.1 at mail.ssimicro.com Message-ID: <4DFCED77.1090408@ssimicro.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:24:55 -0600 From: markham breitbach User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110613 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20110617170347.GB55156@scout.stangl.us> <201106172202.p5HM29Gr017973@mail.r-bonomi.com> <20110618143607.GA23314@gizmo.acns.msu.edu> <4DFCD869.5050205@radel.com> In-Reply-To: <4DFCD869.5050205@radel.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: free sco unix X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:24:57 -0000 I think this thread has wandered pretty far from having anything at all to do with freebsd. Please find a more appropriate place for this discussion. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 18:28:38 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F721065673 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:28:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@oddbit.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1C58FC1E for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:28:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyj12 with SMTP id 12so3997128iyj.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.1.12 with SMTP id 12mr3705019ice.366.1308419990051; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f182.google.com (mail-iw0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hw7sm3832318icc.3.2011.06.18.10.59.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by iwr19 with SMTP id 19so2766529iwr.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:59:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.10.138 with SMTP id p10mr3335600ibp.84.1308419976773; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.137 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 10:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:59:36 -0400 Message-ID: From: Lars Kellogg-Stedman To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: /etc/rc.d/jail using new-style jail command? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:28:38 -0000 Hello all, I'm curious if there's been any work done to make /etc/rc.d/jail use the new-style jail command (jail -c path=... name=..., etc)...or if there's been any work done to create a replacement? There are three features I would love to see in the stock version that I've had to implement myself: - The ability to reference jails by name. Passing the name= argument means that jails can be referenced by name when using, e.g., the jexec command, which is very convenient since jail ids aren't (normally) persistent. - The ability to create jails without starting them. The "persist" argument to the jail command is useful when attaching ZFS datasets to a jail. A ZFS dataset can't be attached until a JID has been allocated, but if with the existing implementation the jail will probably have booted by the time you complete the ZFS assignment, which impacts services that may need access to the jail. There are workarounds (such as a busy-wait loop that checks for the filesystem), but creating the jail with no processes, attaching the datasets, and then starting the jail is much cleaner. - Somewhat more flexibility in setting up jail permissions (via the enforce_statfs and allow.* arguments). Before I spend too much time making my own local changes, I was wondering if there was anything I should be looking at. I've been using ezjail recently, but since it relies on the stock /etc/rc.d/jail to actually boot and configure jails it suffers from the same limitations. Thanks, -- Lars From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 19:05:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32EBB106564A; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from eastrmfepo203.cox.net (eastrmfepo203.cox.net [68.230.241.218]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17EB8FC20; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:05:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110618184602.EXJW32702.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:46:02 -0400 Received: from trantor.komkon.org ([184.180.40.182]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id xWm21g0073voiWG02Wm2Ub; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:46:02 -0400 X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4DFCF26A.00F8,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=yFHAE0zmTawA24Oq7y6/6YtGf/lGoQYA0C3uw5xHDzk= c=1 sm=1 a=ZxN8qah7hV8A:10 a=0UdTyTsmJe8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=4a1Q6ix95ox50xXmSdffJw==:17 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=rjblerAVAAAA:8 a=NpXsELOKAAAA:8 a=YJO-shuzAAAA:8 a=RzSn9KaDAAAA:8 a=avS908cNAAAA:8 a=A4hdxQ0fAAAA:8 a=u3rEeLJIgVKEwz1rVzMA:9 a=4acQFM0-pWcxwoTaTuUA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=TGj1aavkVc4A:10 a=SV7veod9ZcQA:10 a=751keLzJpNAA:10 a=q_IguD5MTHfKHUCY:21 a=g6zOhocHIxsa0UL5:21 a=4a1Q6ix95ox50xXmSdffJw==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none Received: from trantor.komkon.org (str@localhost.komkon.org [127.0.0.1]) by trantor.komkon.org (8.14.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id p5IIjwO6066544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:45:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) Received: from localhost (str@localhost) by trantor.komkon.org (8.14.3/8.13.3/Submit) with ESMTP id p5IIjp3S066541; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:45:52 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from freebsd@str.komkon.org) X-Authentication-Warning: trantor.komkon.org: str owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Igor X-X-Sender: str@trantor.komkon.org To: "Christopher J. Ruwe" In-Reply-To: <20110618180858.41cda851@dijkstra> Message-ID: References: <20110618180858.41cda851@dijkstra> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD,URI_HEX autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on trantor.komkon.org Cc: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: problem report bin/157732, patch included X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:05:09 -0000 1. I don't think that the proposed patch by itself would be reasonable. Some limit should be imposed. According to the RFC-1123 (2.1) (circa October 1989), "Host software MUST handle host names of up to 63 characters and SHOULD handle host names of up to 255 characters." http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1123.txt I am not sure if any subsequent RFC changed that. In some discussions on the net, I've seen people mentioning that any "component" (between the dots) of the host name should not exceed 63 characters. Upon a very quck search, I could find only one somewhat reliable source that supporting that: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=909264&SD=tech The maximum length of the host name and of the fully qualified domain name (FQDN) is 63 octets per label and 255 bytes per FQDN. This maximum includes 254 bytes for the FQDN and one byte for the ending dot. I would assume that the length checks corresponding to these rules should be implemented. Since more recent RFCs allowed non-ascii hostnames, that factor should be taken into account as well. See, e.g. here, for the discussion of that: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/245809 2. You are probably right in checking to make sure that bumping up that limit of the hostname length would not result in a buffer overflow somewhere downstream. You should probably check that inet_addr() and all other relevant functions define the variables of the type and length that can handle this longer input. I noticed that some Linux (2.6.26-2-686) I had access to, was capable of handling that long host name. So, you might want to pick at how it is handled by Linux. (Unless that might create some sort of copyright/license issues.) 3. In either case, I would assume that this number should not be hardcoded in the function, but instead defined in one of the header files (and properly documented) (e.g. HostNameMaxLength). 4. Yet another thought is that some folks involved into the "TrustedBSD" project may have very good expertise on this or related issues. Consider searching the source tree in TrustedBSD, in case something appears there that was not brought back to FreeBSD. You might also want to shoot a message with a question to Robert Watson or FreeBSD Security Team Good luck! Igor On Sat, 18 Jun 2011, Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > Currently, I have issues mailing to *@freebsd.org, so please reply to > cjr@cruwe.de. > > I have started looking at FreeBSD bug reports recently to improve my > skills in C, to learn more about operating systems which I am > concentrating on at university and, at some point, contribute should my > abilities permit (tired of being consumer of other's work only). > I am not entirely sure I am addressing the right list, setting my issue > on the right track will be much appreciated, ;-) > > I have analysed http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=bin/157732 > as an excercise and found a hard string limit to be encoded into > traceroute.c, checking whether the hostname passed to traceroute is > longer than 64 (traceroute line 1621, cf. > http://fxr.aydogan.net/xref/src/contrib/traceroute/traceroute.c#1621). > The same code can be found in NetBSD and probably some more programs, > as traceroute appears to be rather old code (Tue Dec 20 03:50:13 PST > 1988 according to comment). > > Reading futher, I noticed, that inet_addr() was used to get IP from the > hostname. I have not found any resources hinting that inet_addr() was > not able to deal with hostnames longer than 64. although there is a > report of a tracesroute (similar?) that could produce buffer overflows > with long hostnames. > > Experimentally, I have removed the offending lines, compiled a world > and ran the new traceroute with the example Igor > provided, i.e., > > ./playworld/usr/sbin/traceroute > hlfxns0188w-099192079201.pppoe-dynamic.high-speed.ns.bellaliant.net > traceroute to > hlfxns0188w-099192079201.pppoe-dynamic.high-speed.ns.bellaliant.net > (99.192.79.201), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets > 1 speedport.ip (192.168.2.1) 0.419 ms 0.442 ms 0.442 ms > 2 217.0.118.104 (217.0.118.104) 37.232 ms 37.396 ms 36.645 ms > 3 87.186.244.186 (87.186.244.186) 38.319 ms 38.672 ms 37.741 ms > 4 d-ec1-i.D.DE.NET.DTAG.DE (62.154.43.134) 38.376 ms 217.239.37.150 > (217.239.37.150) 38.495 ms d-ec1-i.d.de.net.dtag.de (62.154.43.134) > 38.839 ms > 5 194.25.211.130 (194.25.211.130) 56.736 ms 38.338 ms 38.484 ms > 6 xe-8-1-0.was10.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.183.154) 134.724 ms > xe-7-1-0.was10.ip4.tinet.net (89.149.183.150) 132.715 ms 133.687 ms > 7 bell-aliant-regional-communications-gw.ip4.tinet.net > (77.67.71.210) 131.050 ms 130.681 ms 129.450 ms > 8 xe-5-1-0.cr02.hlfx.ns.aliant.net (207.231.227.5) 149.687 ms 150.815 > ms xe-5-0-1.cr02.hlfx.ns.aliant.net (207.231.227.9) 163.629 ms > 9 lag-2-84.88w.ba16.hlfx.ns.aliant.net (142.176.53.57) 152.538 ms > 150.338 ms te-4-0-0-83.88w.ba16.hlfx.ns.aliant.net (142.176.53.41) > 151.741 ms > 10 * * * > 11 * * * > 12 * * * > 13 * * * > 14 * * * > 15 * * * > 16 * *^C > > after which, as you can see, I aborted. The hostname looks like some > dialup line host, which may or may not be online (and according to a > ping, isn't). It can be seen, that the function called after that > ominous < 64 check, inet_addr(), returns what appears to be a valid ip. > > I can imagine several reasons for forbidding any hostnames > 64, among > others, limited resources on machines at the time of traceroute being > written (1988) or, more importantly, security considerations similar to > the buffer overflow issue I found on the net. I can find no issues > regarding hostname-lenght in inet_addr(), though. > > As I am new to this kind of work, I still (and will probably for some > time) need help. Can somebody advise me on if and if, where, to conduct > further research on the nature of the !> 64 issue and if and if, how, > to analyse possible security considerations of that !>64 issue? > Futhermore, should nobody have any ideas on my fix being dangerous or > not, how can I have my fix reviewed more thoroughly (and possibly > integrated)? > > Thank you for our help, have a nice weekend, cheers > -- > Christopher J. Ruwe > TZ GMT + 2 > > > -- > Christopher J. Ruwe > TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 19:25:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D57B81065670 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:25:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david+dated+1308855240.dd3b33@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (3s1.com [209.161.205.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761018FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:25:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 3s1.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 3s1.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5IIs4jM092487 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:54:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david+dated+1308855240.dd3b33@skytracker.ca) Received: (from david@localhost) by 3s1.com (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id p5IIs0AL092485 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:54:00 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david+dated+1308855240.dd3b33@skytracker.ca) X-Authentication-Warning: 3s1.com: david set sender to david+dated+1308855240.dd3b33@skytracker.ca using -f Received: by 3s1.com (tmda-sendmail, from uid 1000); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:54:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:53:59 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110618185359.GA92347@skytracker.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) From: David Banning Cc: Subject: mounting a hard drive via usb X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:25:09 -0000 I am attempting to clone a drive by connecting the prospective "copy" drive via usb. I've just recently upgraded to FBSD 8.2 Here is what I get when I insert the drive; Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0: < > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ CAPACITY(10). CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ CAPACITY(10). CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) I notice that the /dev/da0s1.. entries are gone now from my /dev directly (maybe this is part of the upgrade to 8.2) so all I have in /dev is /dev/da0 My first thought was using MAKEDEV but that is redundant now I understand. I also read that mounting drives via usb have to be done with the -a msdosfs option because they are seen as SCSI drives. Wondering how I would go about mounting this drive - right now it's an old FreeBSD drive which I just want to wipe. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 19:51:23 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73DC31065670 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:51:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 485A58FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:51:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5IJip3K048022; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:44:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 12:51:21 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Shute References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:51:23 -0000 On 06/18/2011 11:03, Frank Shute wrote: > Skype works. You need a reasonably recent 7 or 8 STABLE or CURRENT and > the linux-f10 stuff. There are a number of skype ports; you want to > use net-im/skype. > I use skype and trying to get rid of it. For security reasons. Also for the reason that MS who owns it now has the policy of cooperation with governments worldwide and there are many fascist governments out there. So my question was about the alternative to skype. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 19:58:28 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26A251065672 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:58:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F25868FC21 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from laptop.magehandbook.com (unknown [192.168.1.74]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01511DD8 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:58:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Staal To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:57:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/2.6.38.6-27.fc15.x86_64; KDE/4.6.3; x86_64; ; ) References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 19:58:28 -0000 On Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:53:57 AM Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > I have a problem with my mail-server configuration so that mail sent > will not reach any freebsd adresses. The solutions offered in similar > mails already accessible via various archives did not help :-( > > I usually send mail from the domain cruwe.de with the mail-server > mail.cruwe.de. > > My configration is as such, that > > $ host cruwe.de > cruwe.de has address 188.40.164.98 > cruwe.de mail is handled by 10 mail.cruwe.de. > > and > > $ host mail.cruwe.de > mail.cruwe.de has address 188.40.164.98 > mail.cruwe.de mail is handled by 10 mail.cruwe.de. [snip] > > seems to be OK. > > Does anyone have an idea what could be the issue? > > Thank you, cheers What does you mailer return as the hostname? (Not the box on which your mailer is runing, but the mail server itself. Often it can be set seperately.) The FreeBSD lists are picky about having that match the DNS entries for your domain. Daniel T. 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This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 20:12:50 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDF8F1065675 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:12:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0238FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:12:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kw.homeip.net (c80-217-64-49.bredband.comhem.se [80.217.64.49]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id p5IJmmUW038612; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:48:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bernt@bah.homeip.net) Message-ID: <4DFD0120.4020500@bah.homeip.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:48:48 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110508 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Banning References: <20110618185359.GA92347@skytracker.ca> In-Reply-To: <20110618185359.GA92347@skytracker.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mounting a hard drive via usb X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:12:50 -0000 2011-06-18 20:53, David Banning skrev: > I am attempting to clone a drive by connecting the prospective "copy" > drive via usb. I've just recently upgraded to FBSD 8.2 > > Here is what I get when I insert the drive; > > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 lun 0 > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0:< > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ CAPACITY(10). CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ CAPACITY(10). CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition > Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) > > I notice that the /dev/da0s1.. entries are gone now from my /dev directly > (maybe this is part of the upgrade to 8.2) so all I have in /dev is > /dev/da0 > > My first thought was using MAKEDEV but that is redundant now I understand. > > I also read that mounting drives via usb have to be done with the -a msdosfs > option because they are seen as SCSI drives. Not really. I do something like mount -t /dev/da0 /mnt Then I'll check /dev/da* and viola there is /dev/da0sX, you get an error when trying to mount /dev/da0 "Device not configured" I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: > Wondering how I would go about mounting this drive - right now it's an old > FreeBSD drive which I just want to wipe. From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 20:17:53 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030D11065670 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:17:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cpghost@cordula.ws) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C08248FC15 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:17:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxc34 with SMTP id 34so3773210vxc.13 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:17:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.93.18 with SMTP id t18mr1403934vcm.39.1308428271813; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.80.144 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:17:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [93.221.183.59] In-Reply-To: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:17:51 +0200 Message-ID: From: "C. P. Ghost" To: Yuri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:17:53 -0000 On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Yuri wrote: > I tried ekiga but it doesn't work. It gets into standby mode and stays this > way. I think it's because of firewall. There is the PR for this. Just to rule out the obvious, are you sure you've configured the *audio* ports and the mixer correctly? -cpghost. -- Cordula's Web. http://www.cordula.ws/ From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 20:25:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A40106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:25:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@skytracker.ca) Received: from 3s1.com (3s1.com [209.161.205.12]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD858FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.20] (twenty [192.168.1.20]) (authenticated bits=0) by 3s1.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5IKDGS5094521; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:13:16 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from david@skytracker.ca) Message-ID: <4DFD06D4.6010600@skytracker.ca> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 16:13:08 -0400 From: David Banning User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bernt Hansson References: <20110618185359.GA92347@skytracker.ca> <4DFD0120.4020500@bah.homeip.net> In-Reply-To: <4DFD0120.4020500@bah.homeip.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: mounting a hard drive via usb - solved X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 20:25:10 -0000 As it turns out - my usb adapter was defective. Once I used an operational adapter all the devices appeared and the disk works like a charm! Thanks for your input. On 6/18/2011 3:48 PM, Bernt Hansson wrote: > 2011-06-18 20:53, David Banning skrev: >> I am attempting to clone a drive by connecting the prospective "copy" >> drive via usb. I've just recently upgraded to FBSD 8.2 >> >> Here is what I get when I insert the drive; >> >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0 at umass-sim0 bus 0 scbus0 target 0 >> lun 0 >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0:< > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0: 40.000MB/s transfers >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: da0: Attempt to query device size failed: >> NOT READY, Medium not present >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ >> CAPACITY(10). CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI >> Status Error >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: >> Check Condition >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT >> READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): READ >> CAPACITY(10). CDB: 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI >> Status Error >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: >> Check Condition >> Jun 18 14:36:29 3s1 kernel: (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT >> READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present) >> >> I notice that the /dev/da0s1.. entries are gone now from my /dev >> directly >> (maybe this is part of the upgrade to 8.2) so all I have in /dev is >> /dev/da0 >> >> My first thought was using MAKEDEV but that is redundant now I >> understand. >> >> I also read that mounting drives via usb have to be done with the -a >> msdosfs >> option because they are seen as SCSI drives. > > Not really. I do something like mount -t /dev/da0 /mnt > Then I'll check /dev/da* and viola there is /dev/da0sX, you get an error > when trying to mount /dev/da0 "Device not configured" > > I'm running FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE #0: > >> Wondering how I would go about mounting this drive - right now it's >> an old >> FreeBSD drive which I just want to wipe. > From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 21:01:55 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69375106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:01:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (agora.rdrop.com [IPv6:2607:f678:1010::34]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 384F48FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:01:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from agora.rdrop.com (66@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.7) with ESMTP id p5IL1pPn078784 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:01:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from perryh@pluto.rain.com) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by agora.rdrop.com (8.13.1/8.12.9/Submit) with UUCP id p5IL1pSL078783; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fbsd61 by pluto.rain.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-pluto-M2060407) id AA10527; Sat, 18 Jun 11 13:52:49 PDT Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 13:52:28 -0700 From: perryh@pluto.rain.com To: fred@resel.fr Message-Id: <4dfd100c.ZEvfAI/AN/67EPHi%perryh@pluto.rain.com> References: In-Reply-To: User-Agent: nail 11.25 7/29/05 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Messages from MCA in the kernel log X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:01:55 -0000 Frederic Perrin wrote: > ... I don't know what MCA, DRD, SNOOP and {D,G}CACHE stand for... MCA = Machine Check Architecture. DRD here probably refers to a data read cycle. SNOOP has to do with hardware-maintained cache coherency. DCACHE = data cache. Google and/or Wikipedia may help with the details. > Is it a transient error? I _think_ the COR refers to a corrected error, but that could be either transient (a random bit-flip, possibly due to a cosmic ray hit) or permanent (a bit in the cache has gone bad). In the latter case I'd expect ongoing error messages, rather than just two isolated occurrences. > Should I start screaming at my hosting provider so he changes my > CPU? I would say not, unless the errors become frequent or uncorrectable. > +MCA: Bank 0, Status 0xcc00000120040189 > +MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000180204, Status 0x0000000000000000 > +MCA: Vendor "GenuineIntel", ID 0xf49, APIC ID 0 > +MCA: CPU 0 COR OVER GCACHE L1 SNOOP error > +MCA: Address 0x1015b00 > +MCA: Misc 0x140002d800aa0 > +MCA: Bank 1, Status 0x8000002000000135 > +MCA: Global Cap 0x0000000000180204, Status 0x0000000000000000 > +MCA: Vendor "GenuineIntel", ID 0xf49, APIC ID 0 > +MCA: CPU 0 COR DCACHE L1 DRD error From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 21:23:19 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EBD61065672 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:23:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (asmtp3.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC9D8FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:23:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp3.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5ILNGnD014166; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:16 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp3.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5ILNF5J014157; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 88EF333C1F; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Yuri Message-ID: <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:23:19 -0000 --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 12:51:21PM -0700, Yuri wrote: > > On 06/18/2011 11:03, Frank Shute wrote: > >Skype works. You need a reasonably recent 7 or 8 STABLE or CURRENT and > >the linux-f10 stuff. There are a number of skype ports; you want to > >use net-im/skype. > > =20 >=20 > I use skype and trying to get rid of it. For security reasons. Also for= =20 > the reason that MS who owns it now has the policy of cooperation with=20 > governments worldwide and there are many fascist governments out there. I quite understand. MS taking it over was a disaster :( >=20 > So my question was about the alternative to skype. I was going to use Ekiga but it's dependency on qt and my small SSD meant it was a no go. As another poster mentioned, I wasn't overly impressed that you have to muck about with your router etc. I think we have to wait for somebody to write a Skype clone and hopefully MS taking over Skype will provide the impetus (MS will drop the linux port as soon as they can). >=20 > Yuri >=20 Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk39F0IACgkQHduKvUAgeK6vWwCfcc+XG+UjoY6nuSVmawENBu5N mgEAn3Ei6bI7P0RrwDnfwyxkeJfSVJ7d =QN1/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 21:33:08 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9A0106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:33:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Received: from shell0.rawbw.com (shell0.rawbw.com [198.144.192.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FF18FC1C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from eagle.yuri.org (stunnel@localhost [127.0.0.1]) (authenticated bits=0) by shell0.rawbw.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p5ILQagD063850; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from yuri@rawbw.com) Message-ID: <4DFD1992.9070307@rawbw.com> Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 14:33:06 -0700 From: Yuri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20101211 Thunderbird/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Shute References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 21:33:08 -0000 On 06/18/2011 14:23, Frank Shute wrote: > I was going to use Ekiga but it's dependency on qt and my small SSD > meant it was a no go. As another poster mentioned, I wasn't overly > impressed that you have to muck about with your router etc. > Actually, ekiga is GTK app and isn't supposed to use any Qt. Yuri From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 22:17:06 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201A7106577E for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:17:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from DStaal@usa.net) Received: from mail.magehandbook.com (173-8-4-45-WashingtonDC.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [173.8.4.45]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C3BD8FC1C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.50] (Mac-Pro.magehandbook.com [192.168.1.50]) by mail.magehandbook.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D887EDF2; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:17:01 -0400 From: Daniel Staal To: Eir Nym , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/4.0.8 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Cc: Subject: Re: ZFS and cp -x X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: FreeBSD Questions List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:17:06 -0000 --As of June 16, 2011 5:31:26 PM +0400, Eir Nym is alleged to have said: > Does `cp -x` works correctly on ZFS? --As for the rest, it is mine. Yes, it does. Sorry, I meant to test this for you earlier, but forgot... Daniel T. Staal --------------------------------------------------------------- This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of local copyright law. --------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 22:29:09 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96A7E106566C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:29:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chrruwe@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-fx0-f68.google.com (mail-fx0-f68.google.com [209.85.161.68]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247568FC08 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:29:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm15 with SMTP id 15so90290fxm.7 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:29:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5vcmrQXMVPwzAK/1SerBM0Si1X+q2oC7+bVSpj3VTwo=; b=YQkdLQFkj8/pGMPvP10OPMC/odS8LE52QHTGkjzOeLfeOgD8GyzDBgTWcqR1Q9M2dR oWRT3IjSvyJc/66EjMQxLX2FCzVHKVOKvqJ93WtTEkghet62MbcmMs4SWzkNMyTsUDTA ddX7uMP8OuHGBD7/bLxm/RiKX4cdXX21PhdSI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :x-mailer:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ramo3bscgz4G7m37gBU4xsjg43YmIwOmBwHPdCn1yW74OmXfLwkK+qvZNSaoK4z4ua 7o0eDRqbc4LSeDk/uoIXFBYfZhkIia8rAg1clEZYepoiColhcPdLfR2iQqrh0K3iaQHx 010VJEnp6EPZFrU6VGqUJXpyXgRtXzM5xslIU= Received: by 10.223.97.142 with SMTP id l14mr4011619fan.137.1308436148032; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dijkstra (p57BDE8DE.dip.t-dialin.net [87.189.232.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h1sm2003204fag.11.2011.06.18.15.29.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:29:02 +0200 From: "Christopher J. Ruwe" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20110619002902.694eb6d0@dijkstra> In-Reply-To: <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> References: <20110618175357.29f06cb1@dijkstra> <201106181557.09148.DStaal@usa.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.9 (GTK+ 2.22.1; amd64-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: unable to reach bsd-lists via mail X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: cjr@cruwe.de List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:29:09 -0000 On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:57:08 -0400 Daniel Staal wrote: > On Saturday, June 18, 2011 11:53:57 AM Christopher J. Ruwe wrote: > > I have a problem with my mail-server configuration so that mail sent > > will not reach any freebsd adresses. The solutions offered in > > similar mails already accessible via various archives did not > > help :-( > > > > I usually send mail from the domain cruwe.de with the mail-server > > mail.cruwe.de. > > > > My configration is as such, that > > > > $ host cruwe.de > > cruwe.de has address 188.40.164.98 > > cruwe.de mail is handled by 10 mail.cruwe.de. > > > > and > > > > $ host mail.cruwe.de > > mail.cruwe.de has address 188.40.164.98 > > mail.cruwe.de mail is handled by 10 mail.cruwe.de. > [snip] > > > > seems to be OK. > > > > Does anyone have an idea what could be the issue? > > > > Thank you, cheers > > What does you mailer return as the hostname? (Not the box on which > your mailer is runing, but the mail server itself. Often it can be > set seperately.) The FreeBSD lists are picky about having that match > the DNS entries for your domain. > > Daniel T. Staal > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > This email copyright the author. Unless otherwise noted, you > are expressly allowed to retransmit, quote, or otherwise use > the contents for non-commercial purposes. This copyright will > expire 5 years after the author's death, or in 30 years, > whichever is longer, unless such a period is in excess of > local copyright law. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I am not entirely sure what you mean with what the mailer returns as hostname. The setup is as such, that cruwe.de is a FreeBSD box and mail.cruwe.de is a jail on cruwe.de, to which the mail ports are forwarded by packet filter. Both cruwe.de and mail.cruwe.de are addressed with A records. The mailer answers "220 mail.cruwe.de ESMTP Postfix" when telnet'ed, so I guess that is what the mailer returns as hostname. I did not know about that DNS/rDNS issue ... $ dig mail.cruwe.de ; <<>> DiG 9.4.3-P4 <<>> mail.cruwe.de ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 2343 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;mail.cruwe.de. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: mail.cruwe.de. 168 IN A 188.40.164.98 ;; Query time: 1 msec ;; SERVER: 83.133.84.53#53(83.133.84.53) ;; WHEN: Sun Jun 19 00:15:13 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 47 $dig -x 188.40.164.98 ; <<>> DiG 9.4.3-P4 <<>> -x 188.40.164.98 ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 23225 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;98.164.40.188.in-addr.arpa. IN PTR ;; ANSWER SECTION: 98.164.40.188.in-addr.arpa. 57111 IN PTR vs532.sys-central.de. ;; Query time: 1 msec ;; SERVER: 83.133.84.53#53(83.133.84.53) ;; WHEN: Sun Jun 19 00:16:08 2011 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 78 (The server is a rented virtual machine.) Am I right that I need to set the rDNS of 188.40.164.98 to mail.cruwe.de to make the freebsd.org servers accept my mail or that, should I set the rDNS to cruwe.de, I should make the mailer on mail.cruwe.de identify itself as cruwe.de instead of mail.cruwe.de? Anyway, thank you very much for your help, -- Christopher J. Ruwe TZ GMT + 2 From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 22:32:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8006106564A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:32:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank@esperance-linux.co.uk) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680288FC0C for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5IMVEkS019209; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:31:15 +0100 Received: from orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (80-45-152-196.static.dsl.as9105.com [80.45.152.196]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p5IMVDmX019199; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:31:14 +0100 Received: by orange.esperance-linux.co.uk (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 3EEDD33C1F; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:32:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:32:02 +0100 From: Frank Shute To: Yuri Message-ID: <20110618223202.GC21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD1992.9070307@rawbw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sHrvAb52M6C8blB9" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4DFD1992.9070307@rawbw.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Face: *}~{PHnDTzvXPe'wl_-f%!@+r5; VLhb':*DsX%wEOPg\fDrXWQJf|2\,92"DdS%63t*BHDyQ|OWo@Gfjcd72eaN!4%NE{0]p)ihQ1MyFNtWL X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 8.2-STABLE amd64 X-Organisation: 'shute.org.uk' Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Frank Shute List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:32:05 -0000 --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 02:33:06PM -0700, Yuri wrote: > > On 06/18/2011 14:23, Frank Shute wrote: > >I was going to use Ekiga but it's dependency on qt and my small SSD > >meant it was a no go. As another poster mentioned, I wasn't overly > >impressed that you have to muck about with your router etc. > > =20 >=20 > Actually, ekiga is GTK app and isn't supposed to use any Qt. That's what I thought before I started building it but it dragged in all the qt stuff for some reason! I was a bit disgusted at the time as it had been advertised as a Gnome app. I've just tried rebuilding it but it bombs out in net/opal with C++ compiler errors. No signs of the KDE menu I was presented with when I last built it. Maybe I built the wrong port first time around by mistake... Regards, --=20 Frank Contact info: http://www.shute.org.uk/misc/contact.html --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAk39J2EACgkQHduKvUAgeK5cdQCdGkJoADU0bf5fOXPByTNMTTbO Q80AoKT3JjHHTO66W6eDA8TsrZKhev/4 =gNei -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sHrvAb52M6C8blB9-- From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 22:32:33 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131C71065670 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69F28FC14 for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:32:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3703CC4E for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:32:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5IMWUG1001580 for ; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:32:30 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:32:30 +0200 From: Polytropon To: FreeBSD Questions Message-Id: <20110619003230.07fe7f64.freebsd@edvax.de> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problems compiling 8-STABLE/amd64 system on Intel Core2 4300 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:32:33 -0000 I am currently installing FreeBSD on my new (haha) home desktop system that's waiting for some years now for this event. The system is a quite cheap home PC from a discounter that has the following CPU: CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 4300 @1.80GHz (1799.81-MHz K8-class CPU) Some time ago, I've been installing FreeBSD 8.1 for amd64 from installation CD #1. Now I've upgraded the sources by csup to the latest 8-STABLE (as I am intending to follow the -STABLE branch). The machine has 2 GB RAM which are correctly recognized. It also has two SATA drives (300 and 470 GB), VIA HD ALC660 (040300) "hda" audio, an nVidia GeForce7600 GS (G73) GPU and _now_ a 3Com 3C905B "xl" NIC (as the onboard VIA Rhine II "vr" NIC seems to be dead - there's lots of VIA stuff onboard). I've also derived my kernel config from /sys/amd64/conf/GENERIC to represent the special settings I need. It's basically the same set of settings I'm successfully using on 7-STABLE/i386. Of course, the kernel contains COMPAT_FREEBSD32 as well as COMPAT_FREEBSD[4567]. After # cd /usr/src # make buildworld buildkernel KERNCONF=EC1056 stopped, running approx. one hour, the following error was displayed: [...] -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> stage 5.1: building 32 bit shim libraries -------------------------------------------------------------- [...] echo make-roken: /usr/lib/libc.a >> .depend ===> kerberos5/tools/asn1_compile (depend) sed -e '96s/"/"#ifdef __PARSE_UNITS_H__\\n/;' -e '96s/",/\\n#endif\\n",/' /usr/s rc/kerberos5/tools/asn1_compile/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1/gen_glue.c > ge n_glue-fixed.c lex -t /usr/src/kerberos5/tools/asn1_compile/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/asn1/l ex.l > lex.c yacc -d -o parse.c /usr/src/kerberos5/tools/asn1_compile/../../../crypto/heimdal /lib/asn1/parse.y yacc: 4 shift/reduce conflicts cd /usr/src/kerberos5/tools/asn1_compile/../make-print-version && make [...] cc -O2 -pipe -march=core2 -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I/usr/src/kerberos5/tools/make-print- version/../../include -std=gnu99 -c /usr/src/kerberos5/tools/make-print-versio n/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/make-print-version.c /usr/src/kerberos5/tools/make-print-version/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/mak e-print-version.c:1: error: bad value (core2) for -march= switch /usr/src/kerberos5/tools/make-print-version/../../../crypto/heimdal/lib/vers/mak e-print-version.c:1: error: bad value (core2) for -mtune= switch *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/tools/make-print-version. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/tools/asn1_compile. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src/kerberos5/tools. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. *** Error code 1 Stop in /usr/src. Obviously, the error is error: bad value (core2) for -mtune= switch which originates from a /etc/make.conf setting. In the example make.conf, the following section can be found: # Currently the following CPU types are recognized: # Intel x86 architecture: # (AMD CPUs) opteron athlon64 athlon-mp athlon-xp athlon-4 # athlon-tbird athlon k8 k6-3 k6-2 k6 k5 # (Intel CPUs) core2 core nocona pentium4m pentium4 prescott # pentium3m pentium3 pentium-m pentium2 # pentiumpro pentium-mmx pentium i486 i386 # (Via CPUs) c3 c3-2 # Alpha/AXP architecture: ev67 ev6 pca56 ev56 ev5 ev45 ev4 # AMD64 architecture: opteron, athlon64, nocona, prescott, core2 # Intel ia64 architecture: itanium2, itanium # # (?= allows to buildworld for a different CPUTYPE.) As dmesg indicates I have a "Intel(R) Core(TM)2" as indicated by dmesg, I thought CPUTYPE=core2 would be the correct setting. Maybe it's not? I got the impression that all modern CPUs now will run amd64 (which will be the default architecture of the near future anyway), but maybe my system is not modern enough...? I'm not setting any other CFLGAGS there. So here are my questions: 1. Am I correctly using amd64 in this particular case? 2. Which is the correct CPUTYPE setting for my CPU? Any advice would help me to make the transition to my new (haha) home desktop within this year. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 18 22:43:05 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B69106566B for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:43:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6878FC0A for ; Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:43:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from r55.edvax.de (port-92-195-180-180.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.180.180]) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAAC13CBC7; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:43:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r55.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r55.edvax.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with SMTP id p5IMh3VP001605; Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:43:03 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 00:43:03 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Frank Shute Message-Id: <20110619004303.c6f68a52.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> References: <4DFCDE25.2050203@rawbw.com> <20110618180326.GA21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> <4DFD01B9.5010807@rawbw.com> <20110618212315.GB21890@orange.esperance-linux.co.uk> Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.4.7 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Any working SIP-phone on FreeBSD? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Polytropon List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:43:05 -0000 On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 22:23:15 +0100, Frank Shute wrote: > I think we have to wait for somebody to write a Skype clone and > hopefully MS taking over Skype will provide the impetus (MS will drop > the linux port as soon as they can). Some time ago I've read (at least I _think_ I read it) that someone reverse-engineered the Skype protocol, so there maybe is the chance that a free Skype alternative, being compatible with Skype, will be created. Anyway, getting rid of Skype is in my opinion mandatory to maintain freedom in _many_ ways, as it is obvious that MICROS~1 will be integrating its functionality into upcoming "Windows" and then surely will exclude anyone _else_ from participating. They have a long tradition doing such things... However, being able to use a cross-platform SIP capable client for IP telephony and video conferencing that is compatible with the majority of systems out there would be great, on _any_ free operating system (not "just Linux"). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...