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(8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) id s8DM35tM017261; Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:03:05 -0300 (BRT) (envelope-from rollingbits) Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 19:03:04 -0300 From: "rollingbits (Lucas)" To: linimon@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: i386/187437: Compilation cc Mail-Followup-To: linimon@FreeBSD.org, cebd@gmail.com, freebsd-i386@FreeBSD.org References: <201403110422.s2B4Mrpe081760@freefall.freebsd.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <201403110422.s2B4Mrpe081760@freefall.freebsd.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Cc: cebd@gmail.com, freebsd-i386@FreeBSD.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-i386@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: I386-specific issues for FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 22:03:13 -0000 Hi. On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 04:22:53AM +0000, linimon@FreeBSD.org wrote: > Synopsis: Compilation cc >=20 > State-Changed-From-To: open->closed > State-Changed-By: linimon > State-Changed-When: Tue Mar 11 04:22:05 UTC 2014 > State-Changed-Why:=20 > incomplete problem report from an invalid email address. A miscalculation is kite serious bug but also easy to find and fix. My tendency is think that any kind of bug like this one will be promptly found and fixed. But this bad handling of bugs is surely a very alarming issue: a bug report must be closed only after it's fixed. BTW, the report is very self-explanatory. I see this still happening in the Clang of my 9.3p1 machines and this isn't related to the old Pentium III float bug (different CPU types with same result). Even worse is the fact that I couldn't find the bug report by visiting the URI below. The report was closed in March and today is September. > Responsible-Changed-From-To: freebsd-i386->linimon > Responsible-Changed-By: linimon > Responsible-Changed-When: Tue Mar 11 04:22:05 UTC 2014 > Responsible-Changed-Why:=20 >=20 > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=3D187437 The very serious issue here is that my FreeBSD systems are becoming buggy, unstable and SLOWER. WHY? Because "crazy" peoples closes bugs without fix them. Because peoples redefines the ports subsystem as A FRAMEWORK and so on. My processing power remains (as always it must be) fixed and doesn't grows as my hair does. Also, not even as a bug does. My computers are going to live 50+ more years and I see no reason to stop using them as typewriters. One could think that better algorithms are been implemented, that the tasks are going to be completed in less steps because the advances in Mathematics are been implemented. That new, better ideas are replacing the old ones. But a slower compiler set as Clang + LLVM substituted the GCC in Current, the freebsd-update command is written in SH, a crazy ridiculous ZFS subsystem can replaces UFS... I read (someone wrote) that Clang will be ALWAYS slower than GCC which I think is a overkill solution already: FreeBSD comes with source code! A set of sources of random interaction of the size of our group is able to develop better solutions than we because nobody are been paid to share their developments here. Obviously, FreeBSD Foundation pays some developers to work on FreeBSD but solutions are going to be found anyway, right? No stress: I'm not working (nor you others). Lc --=20 rollingbits -- rollingbits@gmail.com, rollingbits@terra.com.br lucasnm@ig.com.br, rollingbits@yahoo.com, rollingbits@globo.com Get my public GPG key in http://rollingbits.tripod.com/mykey.html