From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 5 02:31:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF01CA4AE for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 02:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jake.guffey@jointheirstm.org) Received: from p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net [173.201.193.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 808671F6D for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 02:31:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jake.guffey@jointheirstm.org) Received: from [192.168.1.11] ([38.65.249.54]) by p3plsmtpa09-03.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id oSXD1q00V1B9vmm01SXEBU; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:31:15 -0700 From: Jake Guffey Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Kernel panic: vm_fault Message-Id: <9045D82F-2EFB-4818-8B16-2E0D5845FBC7@jointheirstm.org> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 22:31:13 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 02:31:22 -0000 Hi, .*: I=E2=80=99m not entirely sure if this belongs here or in freebsd-bugs, = but since I haven=E2=80=99t found a bug myself, I chose to send it here = first. Please let me know if I=E2=80=99m in the wrong place. I just experienced a kernel panic/reboot and I=E2=80=99m not sure = what=E2=80=99s happening. /var/log/messages only provides: Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel syslogd: kernel boot file is /boot/kernel/kernel Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: panic: vm_fault: fault on nofault entry, = addr: c8f45000 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: KDB: stack backtrace: Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #0 0xc06f07e2 at kdb_backtrace+0x52 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #1 0xc06bafe5 at panic+0x85 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #2 0xc096439e at vm_fault_hold+0x211e Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #3 0xc0962241 at vm_fault+0x81 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #4 0xc0a02931 at trap_pfault+0x291 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #5 0xc0a020e1 at trap+0x5f1 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #6 0xc09ee5ec at calltrap+0x6 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #7 0xc085eb8a at = sysctl_ip6_temppltime+0x3a Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #8 0xc06c5a4f at sysctl_root+0x2af Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #9 0xc06c6049 at userland_sysctl+0x1f9 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #10 0xc06c5e08 at sys___sysctl+0x98 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #11 0xc0a02f4e at syscall+0x38e Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: #12 0xc09ee651 at Xint0x80_syscall+0x21 Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: Uptime: 35d19h44m32s Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: Physical memory: 787 MB Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: Dumping 133 MB: 118 102 86 70 54 38 22 6=20= Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: Dump complete Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: Automatic reboot in 15 seconds - press a = key on the console to abort Jul 5 02:19:37 shemuel kernel: Rebooting=E2=80=A6 I do have a dump that I can provide if someone needs it. This particular box runs two jails and that=E2=80=99s about it. At the = time of the panic, I issued "sysctl -a | grep jail=E2=80=9D from within = one of my jails. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jake= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 5 17:10:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48949433 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from out-007.ord.mailroute.net (007.ord.mailroute.net [199.89.2.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailroute.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C11501F18 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:10:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by out-007.ord.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3mPbzB4q3bzcbp2; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:06:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from out-007.ord.mailroute.net ([199.89.2.10]) by localhost (007.ord.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id 3IvVFqpXL6fy; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by out-007.ord.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3mPbz61XNWzcbmF; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 24C553511; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 10:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Steve O'Hara-Smith Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> <20150630132725.e3ab60f2ac8b1d3e4662a535@sohara.org> x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.2.10.6; tzolkin = 7 Cimi; haab = 14 Tzec Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:06:23 -0700 In-Reply-To: <20150630132725.e3ab60f2ac8b1d3e4662a535@sohara.org> (Steve O'Hara-Smith's message of "Tue, 30 Jun 2015 13:27:25 +0100") Message-ID: <86k2ue7cvk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 17:10:04 -0000 >>>>> "Steve" == Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: Steve> An alternative is to set up poudriere and a local web server You don't even need a webserver. The pkg repo is a URL, which can begin with file:///. Our build machine uses file:// for its own packages, but also has a webserver so that other machines can use the same packages. (I found out the hard way that upgrading the apache that is serving pkg repo can be a chicken and egg thing, so that's why I'm using the file:// url on that machine... :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 5 17:23:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8210A9762 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:23:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from out-002.lax.mailroute.net (002.lax.mailroute.net [199.89.1.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.mailroute.net", Issuer "AlphaSSL CA - SHA256 - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 653B51991; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:23:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@stonehenge.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by out-002.lax.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3mPcH436VRz5vSB; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:20:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by MailRoute Received: from out-002.lax.mailroute.net ([199.89.1.5]) by localhost (002.lax.mailroute.net [127.0.0.1]) (mroute_mailscanner, port 10026) with LMTP id dryPwL-Cmi1x; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from red.stonehenge.com (red.stonehenge.com [208.79.95.2]) by out-002.lax.mailroute.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3mPcH26wq5z5vRG; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 17:20:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by red.stonehenge.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 95D533517; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 10:20:14 -0700 (PDT) From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) To: Matthew Seaman Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: portmaster -af fails due to dead port - HELP References: <20150702195510.GA2863@oslo.ath.cx> <20150703023514.GA4554@neutralgood.org> <5595FC4A.6020402@gmail.com> <20150703141324.GA72399@neutralgood.org> <55969BB7.2080602@FreeBSD.org> x-mayan-date: Long count = 13.0.2.10.6; tzolkin = 7 Cimi; haab = 14 Tzec Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:20:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: <55969BB7.2080602@FreeBSD.org> (Matthew Seaman's message of "Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:27:03 +0100") Message-ID: <86fv527c8h.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 17:23:34 -0000 >>>>> "Matthew" == Matthew Seaman writes: Matthew> As I recall, you *don't* need ZFS with recent versions of Matthew> poudriere. ZFS is recommended, and it certainly makes the Matthew> build-environment wrangling that poudriere does easier. Yes, my DigitalOcean $5/month package build machine does not offer ZFS, so I'm using poudriere there just fine, including having packages pre-built when I went from 8.4 to 9.3 a few weeks ago (just in the nick of time). The DO box is running 10.1, so when I go from 9.3, I can do the same thing again. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. Still trying to think of something clever for the fourth line of this .sig From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 5 18:41:12 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA2DA5FE for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 18:41:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from uk1rly2283.eechost.net (relay01.mail.uk1.eechost.net [217.69.40.75]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9693162E for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 18:41:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [88.151.27.41] (helo=smtp.marelmo.com) by uk1rly2283.eechost.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBoqc-0005hO-4v for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2015 19:41:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.marelmo.com with smtp (Exim 4.85 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBoqa-0009q3-Im for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 05 Jul 2015 18:41:00 +0000 Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 19:40:59 +0100 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? Message-Id: <20150705194059.59a973de61df73f4ccf5a415@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: <86k2ue7cvk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> <20150630132725.e3ab60f2ac8b1d3e4662a535@sohara.org> <86k2ue7cvk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.4.2 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Auth-Info: 24227@permanet.ie (plain) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 18:41:12 -0000 On Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:06:23 -0700 merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > >>>>> "Steve" == Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > > Steve> An alternative is to set up poudriere and a local web > Steve> server > > You don't even need a webserver. The pkg repo is a URL, which can begin > with file:///. Our build machine uses file:// for its own packages, but > also has a webserver so that other machines can use the same packages. Hmm good point - thinks NFS next time I set up poudriere. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith | Directable Mirror Arrays C:>WIN | A better way to focus the sun The computer obeys and wins. | licences available see You lose and Bill collects. | http://www.sohara.org/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jul 5 19:28:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA6CDACC2 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 19:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3cd3:cd67:fafa:3d78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "infracaninophile.co.uk" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 487561BDD for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 19:28:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from liminal.local (liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t65JSO8u049578 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 20:28:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none header.from=FreeBSD.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.9.2 smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk t65JSO8u049578 Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/t65JSO8u049578; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=none; dkim-atps=neutral X-Authentication-Warning: lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk: Host liminal.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:3636:3bff:fed4:b0d6] claimed to be liminal.local Message-ID: <55998551.3040100@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 20:28:17 +0100 From: Matthew Seaman User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> <20150630132725.e3ab60f2ac8b1d3e4662a535@sohara.org> <86k2ue7cvk.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <20150705194059.59a973de61df73f4ccf5a415@sohara.org> <20150705185905.GA85635@neutralgood.org> In-Reply-To: <20150705185905.GA85635@neutralgood.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="G9ApVWt8aOB1s8KjK2Lld4u5JmQDDEGfU" X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on lucid-nonsense.infracaninophile.co.uk X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 19:28:29 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --G9ApVWt8aOB1s8KjK2Lld4u5JmQDDEGfU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05/07/2015 19:59, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > Is anyone using ssh urls? If so, _exactly_ what command is executed on > the server side when the client ssh's in? I need to know to setup ssh > keys that can execute only one command when used. Try using the forced command feature to run a shell script that logs the SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND variable, and then execs it. Actually, that's a good general approach in general: make the forced command a shell script that can examine SSH_ORIGINAL_COMMAND and decide whether or not to execute the original command. 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Thanks. Gruß Matthias -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 6 13:25:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CF799D1 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:25:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CFEEC1CCE for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:25:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B9220B21 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 09:25:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=gmJTNARnreJFPlZ sKowaegYicFs=; b=m8ITbgspa57E/XGLy8htD5HzV4y2pjrDSHYb8zMtzP9pVKx WLWkyt928pdZ/Z66ZMRlSXcY2de08Z6aqkpiFC6F2sbAc8oSgQkBrwJA0dx/rYF0 +orvkoHt62hrXcVQJYzIsB+mMokAXFfgs3/a+UbQP8WnsDdACs3/gue3pcIo= Received: by web3.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 301DB10178B; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1436189133.3660307.316287913.3AAAA9AD@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: /0DojngioqXJZ+KP3c8m4JFC+Y2ac9uRSTAHXS8l0ZKq 1436189133 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-0a1075af In-Reply-To: <559290EE.8030305@my.hennepintech.edu> References: <20150630115303.GA1331@aurora.oekb.co.at> <559290EE.8030305@my.hennepintech.edu> Subject: Re: Mix'n'match between packages an ports? Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 08:25:33 -0500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:25:42 -0000 On Tue, Jun 30, 2015, at 07:51, Andrew Berg wrote: > On 2015.06.30 06:53, Ewald Jenisch wrote: > > Here's my question: Is a "mix and match" between binary and > > source-installation (pkg.. vs. "make / portupgrade") possible on the > > same machine, or is it one or the other? > There is no difference at all between the two, especially since staging > in > ports became mandatory. Using ports directly builds a package and then > installs > it. Problems occur when packages are built from different ports trees, > however. I don't think this was stated clearly enough: If you're going to mix packages and ports you will want to make sure your ports tree is the exact same svn revision as the one the packages were built from. If you stray away from this you have to be very careful and verify nothing in the ports tree has changed that could affect you. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 6 16:11:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26FC5A7F8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:11:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AAD101961 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:11:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nvass@gmx.com) Received: from moby.local ([79.107.52.240]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MNw0t-1Z5HVB33bn-007UEs for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:11:14 +0200 Message-ID: <559AA88E.3080407@gmx.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:10:54 +0300 From: Nikos Vassiliadis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Questions" Subject: best way to debug kernel panic on remote machine Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:OFGO1Qa9xVMx7Tv41oNPHUguBnAHoT0uxfKY1v21SQU1ZsK4Pik TRJbqIqVuWV1plXYBgG1dy3xG1QPWJyzzctOKHec8TSMwx0Y7t9XO9msZgwDZm6RP0Ngdyb 0aFlrwPafX1+IVJ+eEOW1WKQ+NvwGtNItYyx07gpqrbT1+QYxgeAIZSOHGEWNHo4Jyu9/A2 jk0Rwqr1cU9a4cV2pwVWA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:ft0Mc24PH8w=:uDjBGJjpphY0UM2Fyo+cYt ebGnyP8LaN84uKIgXBRFps7x3QW7nvPYph0BPNOqTuKf+YwSutP8GPuWXOMclDOgX/l1oa2DH urMmmeefH1ADASIY7Ss/wP9dOWtQKzi5ZZT/UrD2D2Chzl12+yeYhAvY093igjQyFIdpN0bkw uYhaytLU3/5Ut1RtyrM2MfKJ9/pCFi7I5ws6hAtjD1oBFWvHdCdEyo4waDCL2Pbq71vNOadb+ lod3FYZ3LEssFz3cVBYnvZ0ye+YIzIccNgd0JVna1KQCAagznGYXaUfWH2nGqjocgsMpp+9PA iR80TRRC4it10DTwIzz/7a7yZOxrQiojvkayZjd2teiDTqK7UfHVIodU5crm/Y4UE/tGSiWYF oHVAengOkT2Jh88ACfAORazH6IhzQYlaN6wx9/pLEJJm6aKQ6Grpz0I5K3SUw5me77Jb5hN+v xB22bZ7zNXeiRhzgGdHWWyqEINIa4GaPDkJP9R4OhJqZSFpcl1SmfQNDgfoCCnj9vmtfrbiy2 kB30XlV6CShtgTXX7TJcjX7werI8CLwBFGYMNQbk4RFHQtRaipHZ1PKg3C6om7CHf6amU7hqO MihlzZib8/TU070sJsZgbdsWWD4daBKQzCUGSWf1Aay1Ic8PTQn0i94u2maoC0L6EYEmDgjqs ai8ssLtnyWshsiS9jOVwUW6oA38bTOfZ+3AmkjD4d3W6cvsyVmUfvbX4DXKe2lG++IFI= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:11:24 -0000 Hi, I have a system on a hosting provider and it panics. Any ideas how to debug this without asking the provider to install serial cables? I am thinking of reproducing the panic locally but there might be an easier way. Thanks in advance, Nikos From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 6 16:58:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B7BDAF1A for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x236.google.com (mail-ig0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4509B150F for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:58:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by igh16 with SMTP id 16so30257544igh.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 09:58:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JKU/xOz1bHR1vCogddZM+ct4vDNjC4d7iJ13G53r0A8=; b=N3xx+lX8LM6+NNRzZsfpZrdTV37AYHQXPzNuTZOxqCNX/vYkmawhueXpFTcdRZ1nmS gRgsrbYhXYF1sHR50AqvsdQ5grxlRg8zw+oIvZdtysoZFmx712/rv02+XnaRKFWNMgOM 3H9R7YqXxjl4shzTw3y9ZfEPIwm/yBc68qTmUDu5P1lxeDABEeHbwC2uPvMF7MyhSsgd ZX6eIVg2HAfN2oQVZ0RUmEQ+kuj/FI+DtdyH4NkbZp0k1HTyhKNAcGVFSztpKxPXtO61 W8Wq/h70R7FZ2qMlY5fZCHj76LrAnsQuxz4j8CwjbzN1Rr4vCBH+KikXwCxC/jHjCGnq Cp2Q== X-Received: by 10.107.169.16 with SMTP id s16mr72295825ioe.74.1436201933621; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 09:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v40sm3495942ioi.37.2015.07.06.09.58.52 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 09:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559AB3CB.3010703@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 10:58:51 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: best way to debug kernel panic on remote machine References: <559AA88E.3080407@gmx.com> In-Reply-To: <559AA88E.3080407@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:58:54 -0000 On 07/06/2015 10:10 AM, Nikos Vassiliadis wrote: > Hi, > > I have a system on a hosting provider and it panics. Any ideas how > to debug this without asking the provider to install serial cables? > I am thinking of reproducing the panic locally but there might be > an easier way. > > Thanks in advance, > Nikos > _______ Hi Nikos. Been there done that. Only way to debug a kernel panic on a remote machine is to first make sure that the remote machine's kernel is built to save the coredump and the krenel file copy into a crashdump directory. In addition, it would also require that the kernel be built with full debug enabled, and it symbols NOT STRIPPED!!! This way, the crashdump analyzer program will be able to show you the source lines of code. 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Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:07:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@siobud.com) Received: from siobud.com (siobud.com [104.236.58.159]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D391F58 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:07:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sean@siobud.com) Received: from 3006.local (c-73-8-76-141.hsd1.il.comcast.net [73.8.76.141]) by siobud.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27AA3D9C80; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:59:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=siobud.com; s=mail; t=1436212747; bh=cwqmngWpEMKy/RCzPO4RKSLUEktOTjqOcnLXPNVxTSw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=YglKSAe27p9n1+eQh34DiZkD8STjxzyGXUkipHio89Wlx+EJrF43du6RrTuECZFyP 0xMmHMC/EFbtbpB4zid49ekRV+96l3KUWlDVmaC1SIq9h089His5C/EtijYxjQ8xFK EMNkKLMoETI1yPelYvUs2Mx5f6MvDise3qGZmz34= Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:59:04 -0500 From: Sean DuBois To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: calendar application Message-ID: <20150706195904.GA20624@3006.local> References: <20150706214842.0b15086d@jive.levalinux.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20150706214842.0b15086d@jive.levalinux.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:07:55 -0000 On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 09:48:42PM +0200, Lev wrote: > Hello list, > > > Half year went by from my first touch of FreeBSD. After that I reinstalled > Linux, however, I realized that sooner or later, I must change to something > else. So, now I have my server and my workstation running FreeBSD. > > I used to use thunderbird with lightning plugin for my calendar application > needs. Lightning is not available for FreeBSD. > > My workflow of calendars is keeping an ics file under a git repository, and > using some gui to modify that file. > > I don't want to do other workflow. > > Is there any tool (GUI) to do that? > > > Thanks, > Lev > > -- > 73 de HA5OGL > Op.: Levente > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Hi! I had never heard of the lightning, and was curious what was stopping it from being available on FreeBSD and decided to look into it. One of the config flags for the thunderbird port is LIGHTNING, is that not the same extension? If not, I am going to look tonight and see what is stopping that extension from being installed on a FreeBSD host, I am just curious. thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 6 21:43:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 062C5995348 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:43:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) Received: from nm46-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm46-vm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [216.109.115.108]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACDBE1C9C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pathiaki2@yahoo.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1436218778; bh=Bn52aOaZSv6j7bSZ3fVdMFM2ai8xsaM/4+xFRdE6o5U=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=NeY3F8Rq2LhPLQ1hR0zfnvtGaq8qOzzzr7W2O/55rRIGcRY+IAwUttfOcYYHyV2NzhLhWBG6KeCCvpgspW7Of5BWx1KRJulYE222sl64S7Xzi3zd87UaaBTixAWfF0xF131CdLqY6REdHNXoVcyjmLV+p/fQDIgCzwDiX+WaSXNbiSqGQyVqHTeJ92Y5KXdeOzMObiNOvQm/g2l6B4/3UshuXJOMnZoxiAAw7M1pfwlv47W8gEZMJTJDXV15D1sttYzXowgo+K7P6bEJQ1oGgHRmeyCPCALy0R6YE8SDAIj3v4q4UdpwSrKpK9SeNomE4aWmYT/I4ZLAaPMhIt3PfQ== Received: from [98.139.170.182] by nm46.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2015 21:39:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.205] by tm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2015 21:39:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Jul 2015 21:39:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 135886.63739.bm@smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: yLt.eKgVM1k8mAwOCym3wiwPZcjbS01e8c3j264zyGqwDE2 8DuxSV7jUXK2AmKilzG0V37C2etAyw83UJ0.PGIfuron9iruROkCSj7k3fS6 tbeTGauiV2tHbc8Tgka3xf6HcRsC5GiKRyroOzgF2GVxC4GK69a16MSaH444 ZsRCZe8rVGit6y7RbiAE8dk0x1VZJuSWEoOEtzr3mk6jK.uubL.10AYAtYRe yDl8vhcpKDZKiAQvBATadlsPwiiWqmaCdczq4sHwOavzvz5eD1M35TT7_88n eSShiIxi2O4Nwj..PeG1D0GGn2ZS2E8xXuWtFZzwUt5gee.T3g3gt.jZjD75 tyqTIhgtm6vSmEJixVH9hWpcUpyxzg9_S7DDU4qlO5d7zurHZzVB5nKPQ4Iu kzk_oO_J_7Cd9I_wAPuC9B_AFS0GRYjCCO6T_vETsWGGxmst4N0Hnf_hoRdr WmKQ2F_sVHnswPaPfJAwFc6h5xDf8Cw6Eyep_VB94szk1dmLaUIAiQCWbCkE bBuEIN2.hhjd3ESa0gezNazgP6okgX386 X-Yahoo-SMTP: h3Xqg6.swBC0yI913RMMwp94grO_cg-- Message-ID: <559AF599.10409@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:39:37 -0400 From: "pathiaki2@yahoo.com" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: calendar application References: <20150706214842.0b15086d@jive.levalinux.org> In-Reply-To: <20150706214842.0b15086d@jive.levalinux.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 21:43:00 -0000 Lev, in the ports, rebuild Thunderbird with the "LIGHTNING" option. P. On 07/06/2015 15:48, Lev wrote: > Hello list, > > > Half year went by from my first touch of FreeBSD. After that I reinstalled > Linux, however, I realized that sooner or later, I must change to something > else. So, now I have my server and my workstation running FreeBSD. > > I used to use thunderbird with lightning plugin for my calendar application > needs. Lightning is not available for FreeBSD. > > My workflow of calendars is keeping an ics file under a git repository, and > using some gui to modify that file. > > I don't want to do other workflow. > > Is there any tool (GUI) to do that? > > > Thanks, > Lev > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Jul 6 21:56:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EC8995526 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:56:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09CDC119E for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCENG-0003oN-DN for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; 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Tue, 07 Jul 2015 01:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: fluca1978@gmail.com Received: by 10.194.80.163 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 01:28:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150706214842.0b15086d@jive.levalinux.org> References: <20150706214842.0b15086d@jive.levalinux.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:28:47 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: VXBtEXaiwtqKr6aJvDppIQYb9yc Message-ID: Subject: Re: calendar application From: Luca Ferrari To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 08:28:50 -0000 On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Lev wrote: > My workflow of calendars is keeping an ics file under a git repository, and > using some gui to modify that file. > You can achieve something similar with emacs and org mode, but probably is not what you are searching for. But it's worth mentioning it. Luca From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 7 08:31:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B87B99645 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leventelist@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x233.google.com (mail-ie0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CF281D22 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:31:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from leventelist@gmail.com) Received: by iecvh10 with SMTP id vh10so129937879iec.3 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 01:31:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AMloqEkL1jVm/gF/PfYJgTGQXj2feNrG4/xxCbinWc4=; b=Dd9b/OhM7dBLsNYS5svBPAXsOPWp8P6LH5nGf/KNz3yjWXtgNVetBvchnx+eLQcLYe dP/dBpy4wvd8UgDASZVzy3T96p+U30Sd/PQngKBi9zR+2g624hfilExCKg/O45eUDf1F SvZQ2f3ZbvFjcQqC9PdvrUD1eoiUSZbkpZSSqKWfYAzTzQMT0pUvHeJWs5pAA5R5rAs5 5mrRiv+G3rSpoxvViwhnodY2Uj6iWdlWdT/zGWb3XyvC4393S3mydvGkQp0mm5lk6tMx VIGuAOxq8HkfUuX12VtjxQ2tAsxx3bHCSexM0BBE+HGLXUkN3AVTCaHK8vB7eBRllmZO sC6g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.168.150 with SMTP id e22mr4558125ioj.9.1436257916013; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 01:31:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.6.137 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 01:31:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20150706214842.0b15086d@jive.levalinux.org> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:31:55 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: calendar application From: Levente To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 08:31:56 -0000 It turned out that the lightning extension is installed, but it is disabled by default. Lev On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Luca Ferrari wrote: > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Lev wrote: > > My workflow of calendars is keeping an ics file under a git repository, > and > > using some gui to modify that file. > > > > You can achieve something similar with emacs and org mode, but > probably is not what you are searching for. But it's worth mentioning > it. > > Luca > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 7 10:12:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11A8498F854; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:12:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) Received: from smtpo.poczta.interia.pl (smtpo.poczta.interia.pl [217.74.65.155]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A30ED1457; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:12:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vermaden@interia.pl) X-Interia-R: Interia X-Interia-R-IP: 195.38.12.250 X-Interia-R-Helo: Received: from w530.local (unknown [195.38.12.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by poczta.interia.pl (INTERIA.PL) with ESMTPSA; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:56:20 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <559BA28A.900@interia.pl> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:57:30 +0200 From: vermaden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: sdhci_pci0-slot0: Got data interrupt 0x00600000, but there is no active command. X-Interia-Antivirus: OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=interia.pl; s=biztos; t=1436262980; bh=Fbw3lgbCyYG+OOy5ZPUs/AgkWe5ZwTQFc1ZCP4lpdWc=; h=X-Interia-R:X-Interia-R-IP:X-Interia-R-Helo:Message-ID:Date:From: User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: X-Interia-Antivirus; b=v5narwXiQ9qI4EoiN/Z/30lYdU3w3tNVd/M2Ui1Fi6Yyu7o2gAMVg8nTP2rTk9bV1 GKWxlroNHCuxXs7BsSBb3umIJ+yc9d5EnvWSN9o9Hj8npgLGs1p4c0ALYvJ8eNk00E Y5r7s/xsOxVB2IrhonxM5hoEWLn8BAw6DTIaKM58= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:12:28 -0000 Hi, on such system: % uname -a FreeBSD w530.local 10.1-STABLE FreeBSD 10.1-STABLE #0: Thu May 21 10:41:11 CEST 2015 root@w530.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 ...I got these error messages (and not working SD card) while this card works properly on Windows: mmc0: on sdhci_pci0 mmcsd0: 34GB at mmc0 50.0MHz/4bit/65535-block mmc0: CMD7 failed, RESULT: 1 mmc0: ACMD42 failed, RESULT: 4 mmcsd0: Error indicated: 1 Timeout mmcsd0: Error indicated: 1 Timeout mmcsd0: Error indicated: 1 Timeout mmcsd0: Error indicated: 1 Timeout mmcsd0: Error indicated: 1 Timeout sdhci_pci0-slot0: Got data interrupt 0x00600000, but there is no active command. sdhci_pci0-slot0: ============== REGISTER DUMP ============== sdhci_pci0-slot0: Sys addr: 0x0f396200 | Version: 0x00000502 sdhci_pci0-slot0: Blk size: 0x00000200 | Blk cnt: 0x00000001 sdhci_pci0-slot0: Argument: 0x03e7ffff | Trn mode: 0x00000013 sdhci_pci0-slot0: Present: 0x01ff0000 | Host ctl: 0x00000007 sdhci_pci0-slot0: Power: 0x0000000f | Blk gap: 0x00000000 sdhci_pci0-slot0: Wake-up: 0x00000000 | Clock: 0x00000007 sdhci_pci0-slot0: Timeout: 0x0000000d | Int stat: 0x00000000 sdhci_pci0-slot0: Int enab: 0x01ff00fb | Sig enab: 0x01ff00fb sdhci_pci0-slot0: AC12 err: 0x00000000 | Slot int: 0x00000000 sdhci_pci0-slot0: Caps: 0x21e8c8b2 | Max curr: 0x00000040 sdhci_pci0-slot0: =========================================== mmcsd0: Error indicated: 1 Timeout mmcsd0: Error indicated: 1 Timeout mmcsd0: Error indicated: 1 Timeout Regards, vermaden From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 7 15:21:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9992D995BA3 for ; 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Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:29:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E34D5167B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 15:29:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC5B9276A3; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 17:29:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t67FT2Fw003508; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 17:29:02 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 17:29:02 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: own kernel vs. update Message-Id: <20150707172902.99e4afc5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150707172116.2aa2d38a@jive.levalinux.org> References: <20150707172116.2aa2d38a@jive.levalinux.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 15:29:13 -0000 On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 17:21:16 +0200, Lev wrote: > So, I built my own kernel to have OSS4 support. Then I updated the base > system to p14, and I saw that the kernel and zfs.ko and ufs.ko is > overwritten in /boot/kernel. > > Is this okay? At least it is to be expected. > How can I prevent upgrades to overwrite my own kernel? In /etc/freebsd-update.conf, remove the word "kernel" from the line "Components src world kernel". Keep "src" included so the sources will reflect the kernel and the world you're running after the update. > Sahll I recompile my kernel? Yes. World and kernel should be in sync, so your sources should be of the same version as the world and the kernel (you're going to build from them). With freebsd-update, this can be done easily as explained. > If the source is not updated, why the > binary modules? Source and modules are handled independently. Maybe a change has not been made to an individual module, but to one of its dependencies which leads to a "slightly different" module as a result. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 7 16:20:37 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03272996AF3 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 16:20:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com (out5-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF2121C5B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 16:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from feld@FreeBSD.org) Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A09D92016A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3 ([10.202.2.213]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 07 Jul 2015 12:20:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=I/WFBpmqsFAQtNY RNhgT4c/TXng=; b=G/BOFAUSdP/q6CDkpUPU2TuWGGwr1mcOXVl6Ixz9z4E86KY s29AsUc46sLH20/Zve/Bamw5dDBfMQHf0QpbPgOe6KD0inOu1V1nPK7w1cREi/K5 H8wphsVgDz4esId8ZP+m4k++l6ZU02WAm3c2eLqPuC9jqk7rwhO6BQy1A2Ts= Received: by web3.nyi.internal (Postfix, from userid 99) id 717CE11596A; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <1436286035.549129.317483193.2DD044D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Sasl-Enc: iCdArFKYP/shniomyMSKoB/10IxFRwZqcmEMmzhSip/e 1436286035 From: Mark Felder To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-bfc056ae In-Reply-To: <20150707172116.2aa2d38a@jive.levalinux.org> References: <20150707172116.2aa2d38a@jive.levalinux.org> Subject: Re: own kernel vs. update Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 11:20:35 -0500 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:20:37 -0000 On Tue, Jul 7, 2015, at 10:21, Lev wrote: > So, I built my own kernel to have OSS4 support. Then I updated the base > system to p14, and I saw that the kernel and zfs.ko and ufs.ko is > overwritten in /boot/kernel. > > Is this okay? How can I prevent upgrades to overwrite my own kernel? > > Sahll I recompile my kernel? If the source is not updated, why the > binary modules? > > Thanks, > Levente > When I do this I like to install my kernel to a custom directory make installkernel KERNCONF=whatever KODIR=/boot/foo Now the kernel goes into /boot/foo You can ensure the system uses this kernel at boot by putting kernel="foo" in /boot/loader.conf You can also put kernels="foo,bar,baz" in loader.conf if you want the boot menu to have those kernels listed as options. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 7 16:28:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 540E6996BD5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 16:28:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1835B101D for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 16:28:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53D5E3CCFF; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 18:28:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t67GS7CV002166; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 18:28:07 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 18:28:07 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: own kernel vs. update Message-Id: <20150707182807.bee1587c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150707180022.02bb01d8@jive.levalinux.org> References: <20150707172116.2aa2d38a@jive.levalinux.org> <20150707172902.99e4afc5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150707180022.02bb01d8@jive.levalinux.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:28:17 -0000 Re-including list, hope that's okay... On Tue, 7 Jul 2015 18:00:22 +0200, Lev wrote: > Is there any way to compile my kernel and put the result somewhere else, and > make the bootloader load my new kernel? Yes, this is possible. The kernel and the modules can be found in /usr/obj - the subtree where all parts of the compiled systems go before they are installed to their final places. The KODIR variable can be set for the installation process to _not_ default to /boot/kernel for the results: # cd /usr/src # make kernel KERNCONF=MYKERNEL KODIR=mykernel NB: "make kernel" is shorthand for "make buildkernel && make installkernel". Then you can edit /boot/loader.conf to load your custom kernel instead of the GENERIC one that's being installed (and updated with freebsd-update): autoboot_delay="5" kernel="mykernel" bootfile="kernel" This will make the loader load /boot/mykernel/kernel and ignore /boot/kernel/kernel (the GENERIC kernel). See "man loader.conf" and /boot/defaults/loader.conf for details and examples. Maybe this is helpful: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/kernelconfig-building.html https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/kernelconfig-trouble.html#kernelconfig-noboot > And if I want to run the stock > kernel, I can chose between FreeBSD's and mine? The loader allows that, too. Its interactive mode can be used, see the "unload " and "load " commands when the boot loader has been interrupted. unload mykernel load kernel boot This assumes you're not using the boot menu. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Jul 7 21:29:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3786995B46 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 21:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74A981F17 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 21:29:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCaQy-0004lN-97 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 23:29:44 +0200 Received: from 5e1be7e9.mobile.pool.telekom.hu ([94.27.231.233]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 23:29:44 +0200 Received: from leventelist by 5e1be7e9.mobile.pool.telekom.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 23:29:44 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Lev Subject: Re: own kernel vs. update Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 23:29:36 +0200 Lines: 11 Message-ID: <20150707232936.32bc2ec3@jive.levalinux.org> References: <20150707172116.2aa2d38a@jive.levalinux.org> <1436286035.549129.317483193.2DD044D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 5e1be7e9.mobile.pool.telekom.hu X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 21:29:55 -0000 T24gVHVlLCAwNyBKdWwgMjAxNSAxMToyMDozNSAtMDUwMA0KTWFyayBGZWxkZXIgPGZlbGRARnJl ZUJTRC5vcmc+IHdyb3RlOg0KDQo+IFdoZW4gSSBkbyB0aGlzIEkgbGlrZSB0byBpbnN0YWxsIG15 IGtlcm5lbCB0byBhIGN1c3RvbSBkaXJlY3RvcnkNCj4gDQo+IG1ha2UgaW5zdGFsbGtlcm5lbCBL RVJOQ09ORj13aGF0ZXZlciBLT0RJUj0vYm9vdC9mb28NCj4gDQo+IE5vdyB0aGUga2VybmVsIGdv ZXMgaW50byAvYm9vdC9mb28NCj4gDQo+IFlvdSBjYW4gZW5zdXJlIHRoZSBzeXN0ZW0gdXNlcyB0 aGlzIGtlcm5lbCBhdCBib290IGJ5IHB1dHRpbmcNCj4ga2VybmVsPSJmb28iIGluIC9ib290L2xv YWRlci5jb25mDQo+IA0KPiBZb3UgY2FuIGFsc28gcHV0IGtlcm5lbHM9ImZvbyxiYXIsYmF6IiBp biBsb2FkZXIuY29uZiBpZiB5b3Ugd2FudCB0aGUNCj4gYm9vdCBtZW51IHRvIGhhdmUgdGhvc2Ug a2VybmVscyBsaXN0ZWQgYXMgb3B0aW9ucy4NCg0KVGhhdCBzb3VuZHMgbG9naWNhbC4gVGhhbmtz IQ0KDQotLSANCjczIGRlIEhBNU9HTA0KT3AuOiBMZXZlbnRlDQo= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 00:14:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DBB1996C74 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 00:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 303E018A9 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 00:14:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D2AF3F79A for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 20:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 20:14:43 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Questions about freebsd-update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:14:52 -0000 Have a couple odd situations I need to work around. I'm wondering if anyone can help me answer the following questions about updating: 1) How do I get a list of available updates for a system WITHOUT actually downloading anything or writing any files to disk? 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or updates instead of everything? 3) How do I (or even can I) manually download patches onto a usb drive and then install them onto a machine that has no internet connection? 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[184.100.78.171]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e10sm725837igy.11.2015.07.07.17.40.51 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jul 2015 17:40:51 -0700 (PDT) References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> From: Brandon J. Wandersee To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update In-reply-to: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: <86egkjeb1q.fsf@WorkBox.Home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 00:47:35 -0000 Quartz writes: > Have a couple odd situations I need to work around. I'm wondering if > anyone can help me answer the following questions about updating: > > 1) How do I get a list of available updates for a system WITHOUT > actually downloading anything or writing any files to disk? > > 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or > updates instead of everything? > > 3) How do I (or even can I) manually download patches onto a usb drive > and then install them onto a machine that has no internet connection? > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" I honestly don't know much about freebsd-update, but near as I can tell it's more a convenience than a fully formed system administration tool. The best way to get more fine-grained control over system updates is to build the base system from source, which leaves you with dozens of options for how to manage updates and which components to include. Control and immediate convenience rarely go together. -- ================================================================= :: Brandon Wandersee :: :: brandon.wandersee@gmail.com :: ================================================================== 'A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.' - Douglas Adams ================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 16:39:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F835996BEF for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christopher.maness@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yk0-x235.google.com (mail-yk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 011841584 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:39:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christopher.maness@gmail.com) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so91947828yke.0 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:39:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=A4REnF1GkT7ty3u5o31RFJqe5WYD7eHzoAQXGFMbq2I=; b=cuaHiTWNTHs1DSRR7LJupaw2zsuIH4oNES8PUeI/vtw0zPVz9kBEU2ZeAs4U5idFYn uipJYbStb9gcg/QD9EsOuZy73J4wjnmzRnFlb6ONw+9YVS9Ju3jyVj2xQzmeuH5z0Zw0 QiNNP8/JhcS2Q87O+td5Joo1a8dSJPgHR3NrUdDBNsb3nAPF0nFqcQb8YUrE+eopcM4w KqOHaiWTYtebWv7sgftZUMGsh496T05GP5mrssJyy61xKcVkf5Qc/ME6FT7KUHo6lkf6 mJBpbVPSPov+Qmq/CIw26RKvJXXCvmCZ2G4N0H9QMVRXEFOAR5qmWL8KEYz2+zaNF3t3 b5QQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.241.132 with SMTP id a126mr12764962ywf.72.1436373573230; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 09:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: christopher.maness@gmail.com Received: by 10.13.242.198 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:39:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150630093148.66210ff6@curlew.lan> References: <20150630093148.66210ff6@curlew.lan> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 09:39:33 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: t2aTfu5WfEmiuo543mTo2WxTmI8 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Changing TMPDIR for restore? From: Chris Maness To: Mike Clarke Cc: FreeBSD - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:39:34 -0000 Thanks, guys. This last suggestion seems to have fixed the problem. Sorry for the delay, I was sidetracked by other projects. Regards, Chris Maness From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 16:52:08 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D90F4996FA7 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuck@mantis.biz) Received: from zip.c7hosting.com (zip.c7hosting.com [96.47.41.151]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5B651236 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:52:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from chuck@mantis.biz) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mantis.biz; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=WweGO9L4r+6g8gh6GE6W3U5FnfBoHyBzmLkMlDCIYI0=; b=qS9UYpGAC80zQtyToj9ng1ymdoPEP6uk3t6cfpbSmWswrosl6nH6XiopZcwlsg+UT83DjThnnV0hcGxtAxkGRZP4B9NPKjhcThOkdG4REKD+hPA9ZcEgb+On9VXFIsEV; Received: from [69.158.105.20] (port=55375 helo=[192.168.2.13]) by zip.c7hosting.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCrVc-0000uI-Lb for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:43:40 -0400 Message-ID: <559D452D.4040203@mantis.biz> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 11:43:41 -0400 From: "Chuck @ Mantis" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: own kernel vs. update References: <20150707172116.2aa2d38a@jive.levalinux.org> <1436286035.549129.317483193.2DD044D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> In-Reply-To: <1436286035.549129.317483193.2DD044D1@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - zip.c7hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - mantis.biz X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: zip.c7hosting.com: authenticated_id: chuck@mantis.biz X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 16:52:08 -0000 On 7/7/2015 12:20 PM, Mark Felder wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015, at 10:21, Lev wrote: >> So, I built my own kernel to have OSS4 support. Then I updated the base >> system to p14, and I saw that the kernel and zfs.ko and ufs.ko is >> overwritten in /boot/kernel. >> >> Is this okay? How can I prevent upgrades to overwrite my own kernel? >> >> Sahll I recompile my kernel? If the source is not updated, why the >> binary modules? >> >> Thanks, >> Levente >> > When I do this I like to install my kernel to a custom directory > > make installkernel KERNCONF=whatever KODIR=/boot/foo > > Now the kernel goes into /boot/foo > > You can ensure the system uses this kernel at boot by putting > kernel="foo" in /boot/loader.conf > > You can also put kernels="foo,bar,baz" in loader.conf if you want the > boot menu to have those kernels listed as options. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" any reason this step shouldn't be in the handbook under making your own kernel? seems like a smart move having: kernel="foo,generic" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 18:38:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D905995C58 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from anny.lostinspace.de (anny.lostinspace.de [IPv6:2a01:138:a006::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2534218BE for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 18:38:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from idefix@fechner.net) Received: from server.idefix.lan (aftr-88-217-181-87.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.181.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: idefix@fechner.net) by anny.lostinspace.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 312D483B3E for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 20:38:19 +0200 (CEST) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.1 anny.lostinspace.de 312D483B3E Authentication-Results: anny.lostinspace.de; dmarc=none header.from=fechner.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=fechner.net; s=default; t=1436380699; bh=m0U+s6Oi8yRwFZzihWLL0oSOkxDrJSiCgUHQS9egfcE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=g69N3i1/mbPPzanTLzCQdYacdIJL/p3HoIHrAYQR1Yq5w/UgIJT7aZiUg8yqWmblH pfgg4LMLhB/zkBVb83ij+DrH90WJ8I4Pi7c39QitE8l9QJyMGFn/Rtl6DnkHdLRXUA ovCM+AUCnvlA/FGgs6OTsvwCO3kIgzO8mobni4dU= Received: from server.idefix.lan (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43109205 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 20:38:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at fechner.net Received: from server.idefix.lan ([127.0.0.1]) by server.idefix.lan (server.idefix.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id hoLVEzQiyS9C for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 20:38:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.33] (aftr-88-217-181-87.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.181.87]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by server.idefix.lan (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8114391F9 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 20:38:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <559D6E16.3020305@fechner.net> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:38:14 +0200 From: Matthias Fechner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: IPv6 prefix delegation over a freebsd router that sits between internet router and local network X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:38:23 -0000 Dear all, I have a problem with IPv6 configuration and I'm not sure if it is even possible. I'm using an internet connection from mnet (a German internet provider). The fritzbox 7490 will get an /56 IPv6 prefix that changes every 24 hours. Behind the fritzbox I have a FreeBSD router with two network interfaces. Internet | Fritzbox 7490 internet interface Fritzbox 7490 local interface | Freebsd interface re0 Freebsd interface em0 | Internal lan The network interface in the fritzbox is configured to forward the prefix. If I check the interfaces the re0 (interface to fritzbox) is getting an ipv6 address and I can ping6 from the freebsd machine without problems. But if I try to to ping from a computer in "Internal lan" it fails. The internal pc resolves the hostname to ipv6 adress but the freebsd machine shows in /var/log/messages: Jul 8 20:33:01 server kernel: cannot forward src fe80:1::88d:dbdc:2c49:ac3a, dst , nxt 58, rcvif em0, outif re0 So I think I have to forward the delegated prefix to the internal network. Could maybe anyone point me into the right direction what I have to configure/read to continue with the setup? Thanks Matthias -- "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the universe is winning." -- Rich Cook From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 19:49:30 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8782C996C89 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 19:49:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yk0-x235.google.com (mail-yk0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E2D91A5F for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 19:49:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by ykeo3 with SMTP id o3so96802079yke.0 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:49:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fWhEGNy9La64C2pd80ncU7KnBk6anSrDb2PaxbM9xlw=; b=DPmIZ7S0e5FvC3CX33OXgrQd1yv7iVFCOdZWHu+us/VyHq4Yf5GpZ7wLFgqW5UNDzx TNXJevTojYC2+YC5uA2P+eTFVrqAk0SG4w2fRbXP8eKbJPj16XgVSQz1ZAxbo+tYBDct MWH07tMsEiYFHsMYsNeTuEmtg+mTnrCRsl5YI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=fWhEGNy9La64C2pd80ncU7KnBk6anSrDb2PaxbM9xlw=; b=Lib/ZyJb0aL2ohTNv8Tj7un4TD4DzRI+KM0yG44tobUe+A++/qd5T2bzjZz83ux+Qh /ZX1Ti40SSIW8oWfSGI/C8Cet/dnuBRAdUFtpKNMmH4AoVCLcrvzcbYezADd6zpiUbU+ ZA2YbthYjJAGfgUHu3cUIjwXjNa0b+xHPwXh8d0XGb6q1YKPbxq80RrSfIRaRL4nmJM/ Wr3qwoQmNRIfYm4ZnTveaQg7y9VxfCK2yASknZD9GH8xE2V1r5MHFuQ8bnnssdwu/TI6 vCDSg7LDp28BAlbSVF2QHPfvGnTygKOnF4LZmujACOn3Z495tYlLwtVwZpHKvI4Fu0gg lfJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkr9ydeAh+1I0FzH/6qDpowbleYeAN+m7MHkjOZrptHW77hWFwt+7MGraDTSbwvIx7WuNDD MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.136.67 with SMTP id y64mr12732739ywf.33.1436384968958; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 12:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.13.193.194 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 12:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:49:28 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 19:49:30 -0000 Hi; I'm building a server that is going to host VMs for a small e-commerce site. It's mainly going to be used for testing new solutions/improving the current site (on the cloud at this moment) but in the medium to long run, the idea is to hold the production site in it. Since I don't have any experience in running VMs for e-commerce, I don't know for sure if my plan is correct or even feasible. I want to use FBSD 10 as the host OS and the VMs will run under Virtual Box. It should be a Dell 430 server (or IBM equivalent) CPU Xeon E5-2630 with 4 2T SATA HDs/16 G Ram/ RAID PERC H730 controller (supported by mrsas). 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YET!!] (99,7% winfoes FREE) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 20:46:17 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3032A997662 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 20:46:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) Received: from radel.com (fly.radel.com [70.184.242.170]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "*.radel.com", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D264338E5 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 20:46:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jon@radel.com) X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.18.7 (ClamAV engine v0.98.7) Received: from [2001:470:880a:4389:9189:174c:bf5:84c7] (account jon@radel.com HELO gravenstein.local) by radel.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2 _community_) with ESMTPSA id 801906; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:46:07 +0000 Subject: Re: IPv6 prefix delegation over a freebsd router that sits between internet router and local network To: Matthias Fechner , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <559D6E16.3020305@fechner.net> From: Jon Radel Message-ID: <559D8C0F.6070001@radel.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 16:46:07 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <559D6E16.3020305@fechner.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms060206080109040908000502" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:46:17 -0000 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060206080109040908000502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 7/8/15 2:38 PM, Matthias Fechner wrote: > I'm using an internet connection from mnet (a German internet provider)= =2E > > The fritzbox 7490 will get an /56 IPv6 prefix that changes every 24 hou= rs. Yuck, that doesn't exactly seem to be in keeping with the spirit of=20 IPv6. Out of complete curiosity, rather than of any utility in solving=20 your problem (unless you convince them to stop doing that and give you a = permanent /56), do they say why they won't give you permanent=20 addresses? I'd hazard a guess that either they don't know what they're=20 doing and/or they're deliberately crippling things in order to encourage = you to pay for a higher tier of service...... > > Behind the fritzbox I have a FreeBSD router with two network interfaces= =2E > > Internet > | > Fritzbox 7490 internet interface > Fritzbox 7490 local interface | in a normal IPv6 network you'd want a /64 here; right now the FreeBSD=20 box is likely learning either the /56 or a /64 in it via Router=20 Advertisements (RAs) from the Fritzbox. "ifconfig re0" would tell you=20 which. | > | > Freebsd interface re0 > Freebsd interface em0 | and in a normal network (if routing) you'd want a different /64 here;=20 right now it looks like you have only the Link-Local addresses on this=20 segment, which FreeBSD will quite correctly refuse to route to the Intern= et | > | > Internal lan > > The network interface in the fritzbox is configured to forward the pref= ix. > If I check the interfaces the re0 (interface to fritzbox) is getting an= > ipv6 address and I can ping6 from the freebsd machine without problems.= Good. > > But if I try to to ping from a computer in "Internal lan" it fails. > The internal pc resolves the hostname to ipv6 adress Presumably using IPv4 for name resolution.....unless you're running a=20 resolver on the FreeBSD box. Or I'm very confused. > but the freebsd > machine shows in /var/log/messages: > Jul 8 20:33:01 server kernel: cannot forward src > fe80:1::88d:dbdc:2c49:ac3a, dst , nxt 58, > rcvif em0, outif re0 FE80::/10, Link Local, addresses are good only in a single collision=20 domain and can't be routed. So if the second device on the internal LAN = has only that address, this is as it should be. Things I'd consider: 1) Use the FreeBSD box as a bridge instead of a router and let the=20 Fritzbox hand out addresses to the internal LAN using RA/SLAAC, DHCPv6=20 or whatever it's actually doing. 2) Have a chat with your ISP 3) Build some horrible kludge to assign a /64 out of the /56 to the em0 = interface every time the ISP changes the /56... --Jon Radel jon@radel.com --------------ms060206080109040908000502 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC Cq8wggSvMIIDl6ADAgECAhEA4CPLFRKDU4mtYW56VGdrITANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADBvMQsw CQYDVQQGEwJTRTEUMBIGA1UEChMLQWRkVHJ1c3QgQUIxJjAkBgNVBAsTHUFkZFRydXN0IEV4 dGVybmFsIFRUUCBOZXR3b3JrMSIwIAYDVQQDExlBZGRUcnVzdCBFeHRlcm5hbCBDQSBSb290 MB4XDTE0MTIyMjAwMDAwMFoXDTIwMDUzMDEwNDgzOFowgZsxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkdCMRswGQYD 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References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 20:56:46 -0000 Mario, You may want to even consider using ZFS and jails.... If you're going to run FreeBSD as the VMs, it's probably more efficient to run with jails and ZFS IMHO. Also, you'll be able to create a lot more jails than you have cores as the resources are shared with jails. Turn the PERC card into an HBA/RAID 0 so that all the targets can be seen individually as targets. Then, use ZFS to create two RAID 1 zpools and then stripe them to create a RAID 10 array. This will be extraordinarily fast in disk access. All the RAID calculation will no longer be handled by the CPU on the card but by main CPU cores which are, typically, much faster than what's on a RAID card. Also, with 16 GB of RAM and using jails, your could easily create large amounts of jails, dedicate a large amount of RAM (like 4-8 GB) to the ZFS cache and, basically, almost everything is going to be worked in memory courtesy of FreeBSD and ZFS. I actually had a setup like this with over 50 jails running numerous Web servers. After tuning the kernel to do web serving, making sure ZFS had enough memory, the load was very, very, trivial. Think of jails as a stripped down version of Solaris zones. Very little overhead, very secure and no resource demands outside of what it's using whereas with VMs from a vendor like VMWare or VirtualBox, you have to dedicate at least one core and some amount of disk space and, possibly, other resources. WIth jails, all the jails share one kernel image (separate from the main OS) that is mounted as a nullfs to all of them. They start and consume what they need. The only downside is if you have a runaway process doing something. I have yet to have one after creating hundreds of jails. So, check into ezjail and/or other jail tools. Read the Handbook on the web site and look up jails. It may not be what you want, but from what you presented, you could use them. (Before everyone jumps on me, this is a VERY SIMPLISTIC explanation I know, however, I'd like to think it's accurate for simplicity sake. :-) ) Just trying to help, P. On 07/08/2015 15:49, Mario Lobo wrote: > Hi; > > I'm building a server that is going to host VMs for a small e-commerce > site. It's mainly going to be used for testing new solutions/improving the > current site (on the cloud at this moment) but in the medium to long run, > the idea is to hold the production site in it. > > Since I don't have any experience in running VMs for e-commerce, I don't > know for sure if my plan is correct or even feasible. > > I want to use FBSD 10 as the host OS and the VMs will run under Virtual Box. > > It should be a Dell 430 server (or IBM equivalent) CPU Xeon E5-2630 with 4 > 2T SATA HDs/16 G Ram/ RAID PERC H730 controller (supported by mrsas). > > All VMs will run FBSD also with usual Apache/php/Mysql combination. > > I really would welcome suggestions/opinions on what would be the most > efficient way to set up those HDs to hold these virtual disks. > > I thought about zfs but I won't have lots of RAM avaliable. Should I use > the controller raid? Gmirror/Graid? What raid level? > > Thanks in advance for any thoughts on this. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 21:22:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70D4F997CA7 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 21:22:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-in5.apple.com (mail-out5.apple.com [17.151.62.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CC4C116D for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 21:22:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay7.apple.com (relay7.apple.com [17.128.113.101]) by mail-in5.apple.com (Apple Secure Mail Relay) with SMTP id 73.E0.12430.7749D955; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11973e13-f79d56d00000308e-7f-559d94776354 Received: from [17.149.227.84] (Unknown_Domain [17.149.227.84]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay7.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id E8.17.29728.7749D955; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? From: Charles Swiger In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 14:21:59 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD - Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> References: To: Mario Lobo X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrLLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FCYqlszZW6oQU+zpcXLr5tYLD6vX8Ho wOSxdfofVo8Zn+azBDBFcdmkpOZklqUW6dslcGXM2XWeqeCEVMWP9x8YGxgniHYxcnJICJhI PPq3mxHCFpO4cG89WxcjF4eQwD5GiU+fLjHBFB398JcZIjGVSWLR76tgHcwCWhI3/r0EK+IV 0JPoOfcFLC4soCOx6c03oDgHB5uAmsSEiTwgYU6BQIln83tZQcIsAioS25bnQ0zRlWi68RZq orbEsoWvmSEmWkncW/IerFxIIEBi7g1tkLCIgILEpFcb2CAuk5XY+qaVCeQyCYGvrBL/Tm9n nMAoNAvJcbOQHDcLyYoFjMyrGIVyEzNzdDPzTPUSCwpyUvWS83M3MYLCd7qd8A7G06usDjEK cDAq8fB6xMwJFWJNLCuuzD3EKM3BoiTOywQMfiGB9MSS1OzU1ILUovii0pzU4kOMTBycUg2M Bh29by/MYmYpDXviec9w2bwb3T9mHuA5v+aOlBrz5Kp04Uphw/wZNldk/nW8nnKYWT4ywkjE qf1e0c21s1fx1D6TmPtzi+d5xemym75NcfxzreXK7Nim/RWu8y4K5jtqTnOYY3jwTHOA/+MF ST/nvPv1yfSX7CvhbrfPf0RWCs+Vv+uaYHR1qRJLcUaioRZzUXEiALHLgdNAAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOPVxiG75lLmhBicuKlm8/LqJxeLz+hWM DkweW6f/YfWY8Wk+SwBTFJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAlfGnF3nmQpOSFX8eP+BsYFxgmgXIyeHhICJ xNEPf5khbDGJC/fWs3UxcnEICUxlklj0+yojSIJZQEvixr+XTCA2r4CeRM+5L2BxYQEdiU1v vgHFOTjYBNQkJkzkAQlzCgRKPJvfywoSZhFQkdi2PB9iiq5E0423UBO1JZYtfM0MMdFK4t6S 92DlQgIBEnNvaIOERQQUJCa92sAGcZmsxNY3rUwTGPlnIblnFpJ7ZiGZuoCReRWjQFFqTmKl uV5iQUFOql5yfu4mRlC4NRSm7mBsXG51iFGAg1GJh/dD5JxQIdbEsuLK3EOMEhzMSiK8xc1z Q4V4UxIrq1KL8uOLSnNSiw8xSnOwKInzak6ZEiokkJ5YkpqdmlqQWgSTZeLglGpgnHRuzt6g pB25H04eN/7xXUhG96/jnZPv9aauOv02QNGh7lztoxep5j+YxXdmvN29+Z/XyfNuAhNmfryw b9227FPb9766IvXB+2XvjPZYKXnvu86XLC25DH/O+O6v8P20g2VLypamdb5r9Dc9cr14VtPu xrm41S0exn/K7pezSs/wVr2jcmLXDTYlluKMREMt5qLiRACiFvK8MwIAAA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 21:22:06 -0000 On Jul 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > Hi; >=20 > I'm building a server that is going to host VMs for a small e-commerce > site. It's mainly going to be used for testing new solutions/improving = the > current site (on the cloud at this moment) but in the medium to long = run, > the idea is to hold the production site in it. >=20 > Since I don't have any experience in running VMs for e-commerce, I = don't > know for sure if my plan is correct or even feasible. OK. If it matters, I've been doing e-commerce sites since ~1993, which = more than likely means I have well-entrenched habits about things like HTML = validation rather than in "social media integration" or "cloud-related buzzwords". = :-) > I want to use FBSD 10 as the host OS and the VMs will run under = Virtual Box. >=20 > It should be a Dell 430 server (or IBM equivalent) CPU Xeon E5-2630 = with 4 > 2T SATA HDs/16 G Ram/ RAID PERC H730 controller (supported by mrsas). That's fine for development or QA/testing environments. PROD sites should never consist of a single machine, especially one = without much in the way of high-availability features. > All VMs will run FBSD also with usual Apache/php/Mysql combination. Apache is fine. You're (almost?) always bottlenecked by network = bandwidth, but for some purposes nginx + fastcgi is a more suitable choice. PHP-based e-commerce solutions tend to exhibit the same continuous = security flaws that every other PHP-based system (Wordpress, Joomla, MediaWiki, etc) = runs into. I'd bet that if you talk to your payment processor and see what they = recommend, it'd be Java and not PHP. Just a guess, but I'm pretty familiar with = everyone from CyberSource, ClearCommerce, AliPay, WorldPay, SagePay, PayPal = Payflow/Express, etc to the smaller regional/country processors like BarclayCard, Garanti, = .... MySQL can be adequate for very low-volume sites, but for read-mostly = stuff a no-SQL database like Mongo or Cassandra are likely to be more performant and = for transactional data something like Postgres or Oracle would be better choices. > I really would welcome suggestions/opinions on what would be the most > efficient way to set up those HDs to hold these virtual disks. You normally shouldn't need to care about disk I/O performance for the = app-layer side, only for the database(s). Provision your databases on bare metal = going by what the DB recommends for # of spindles to enable separation of = tablespace, temp space, and transaction logs. Most of the PROD databases I know of working from local storage have = heaps of RAID-1 mirrors, and sometimes larger volumes created as RAID-10 or = RAID-50. Higher volume shops use dedicated SAN filers via redundant Fibre Channel = mesh or similar for their database storage needs. > I thought about zfs but I won't have lots of RAM avaliable ZFS wants to be run against bare metal. I've never seen anyone setup = ZFS within a VM; it consumes far too much memory and it really wants to talk = directly to the hardware for accurate error detection. > Should I use the controller raid? Gmirror/Graid? What raid level? Level is easy: a 4-disk machine is suited for either a pair of RAID-1s, = a 4-disk RAID-10 volume, or a 4-disk RAID-5 volume. Regards, --=20 -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 21:56:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4E899962C2 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 21:56:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88C8418B5 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 21:56:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 125D03F7A4; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 17:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559D9C96.5070601@sneakertech.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 17:56:38 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Lobo CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 21:56:41 -0000 > I thought about zfs but I won't have lots of RAM avaliable. ZFS doesn't technically NEED gobs of ram just to function, that's a long standing urban myth repeated by people who don't understand how the ARC and/or dedupe works. You can run ZFS on basically any system, it's just a question of how much it can cache. The less it can cache the more it will have to hit the disks.... but that applies to basically every filesystem. As for raid level, you only have four disks so you don't have a lot of options. You're pretty much looking at a raid-1, raid-10 or raid-5/raidz-1. A 4-way raid-1 is I think overkill, and a bunch of VMs will be heavy on the random read/write so a raid-5/raidz-1 will be worse than a raid-10 performance wise. (Although with only a four disk array the difference probably won't be earth shattering, so if you really need the space a 5/z1 won't kill you). From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Jul 8 22:49:19 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F87996E89 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:49:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.227]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CA51379C for ; Wed, 8 Jul 2015 22:49:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:34058] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id E7/56-27497-CE8AD955; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 22:49:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.53] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCy9T-0007Ng-O5 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:49:15 -0400 Message-ID: <559DA8E6.20007@columbus.rr.com> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 18:49:10 -0400 From: Baho Utot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Libxul build failure poudriere amd64 FreeBSD 10.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 22:49:19 -0000 poudriere using ZFS jail libxul has built successfully using the same setup, before updating ports poudriere ports -u poudriere bulk -f /root/poudriere.list -j 101amd64 Returns the following error Anyone else have this failure? ====>> Building www/libxul build started at Wed Jul 8 18:08:31 EDT 2015 port directory: /usr/ports/www/libxul building for: FreeBSD 101amd64-default-job-03 10.1-RELEASE-p14 FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE-p14 amd64 maintained by: gecko@FreeBSD.org Makefile ident: $FreeBSD: head/www/libxul/Makefile 388940 2015-06-09 14:25:41Z jbeich $ Poudriere version: 3.1.7 Host OSVERSION: 1001000 Jail OSVERSION: 1001000 [putolin] ../../../ipc/chromium/process_util_bsd.o: In function `base::LaunchApp(std::__1::vector, std::__1::allocator >, std::__1::allocator, std::__1::allocator > > > const&, std::__1::vector, std::__1::allocator > > const&, std::__1::map, std::__1::allocator >, std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator >, std::__1::less, std::__1::allocator > >, std::__1::allocator, std::__1::allocator > const, std::__1::basic_string, std::__1::allocator > > > > const&, base::ChildPrivileges, bool, int*, base::ProcessArchitecture)': /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/ipc/chromium/src/base/process_util_bsd.cc:(.text._ZN4base9LaunchAppERKNSt3__16vectorINS0_12basic_stringIcNS0_11char_traitsIcEENS0_9allocatorIcEEEENS5_IS7_EEEERKNS1_INS0_4pairIiiEENS5_ISD_EEEERKNS0_3mapIS7_S7_NS0_4lessIS7_EENS5_INSC_IKS7_S7_EEEEEENS_15ChildPrivilegesEbPiNS_19ProcessArchitectureE+0x12a): warning: undefined reference to `environ' /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/ipc/chromium/src/base/process_util_bsd.cc:(.text._ZN4base9LaunchAppERKNSt3__16vectorINS0_12basic_stringIcNS0_11char_traitsIcEENS0_9allocatorIcEEEENS5_IS7_EEEERKNS1_INS0_4pairIiiEENS5_ISD_EEEERKNS0_3mapIS7_S7_NS0_4lessIS7_EENS5_INSC_IKS7_S7_EEEEEENS_15ChildPrivilegesEbPiNS_19ProcessArchitectureE+0x402): warning: undefined reference to `environ' /usr/bin/ld: libxul.so: hidden symbol `FT_Get_X11_Font_Format' isn't defined /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output c++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/config/rules.mk:883: recipe for target 'libxul.so' failed gmake[6]: *** [libxul.so] Error 1 gmake[6]: Leaving directory '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd10.1/toolkit/library/build' /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/config/recurse.mk:95: recipe for target 'toolkit/library/build/libs' failed gmake[5]: *** [toolkit/library/build/libs] Error 2 gmake[5]: Leaving directory '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd10.1' /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/config/recurse.mk:39: recipe for target 'libs' failed gmake[4]: *** [libs] Error 2 gmake[4]: Leaving directory '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd10.1' /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/config/rules.mk:592: recipe for target 'default' failed gmake[3]: *** [default] Error 2 gmake[3]: Leaving directory '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/obj-x86_64-portbld-freebsd10.1' /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/client.mk:381: recipe for target 'realbuild' failed gmake[2]: *** [realbuild] Error 2 gmake[2]: Leaving directory '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31' /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/client.mk:168: recipe for target 'build' failed gmake[1]: *** [build] Error 2 gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31' *** Error code 1 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 00:26:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC7B997CA7 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 00:26:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-7.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.71]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A894011FE for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 00:26:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from zarniwhoop@ntlworld.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([81.106.150.188]) by know-smtprelay-7-imp with bizsmtp id q0Rw1q00F4481jl010RwS6; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 01:25:56 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [81.106.150.188] X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.1 cv=JuUM15MC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:117 a=DGj713NdaxKrsjjgQne7PA==:17 a=NLZqzBF-AAAA:8 a=yEdEr6MRgwAA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=pQs5aej7AAAA:8 a=wJVwtyKlKipdpEZrwW8A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6DF13885FF; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 01:25:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 01:25:56 +0100 From: Ken Moffat To: Baho Utot Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Libxul build failure poudriere amd64 FreeBSD 10.1 Message-ID: <20150709002556.GA23672@milliways> References: <559DA8E6.20007@columbus.rr.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <559DA8E6.20007@columbus.rr.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 00:26:06 -0000 On Wed, Jul 08, 2015 at 06:49:10PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > > poudriere using ZFS jail > > libxul has built successfully using the same setup, before updating ports > > poudriere ports -u > > poudriere bulk -f /root/poudriere.list -j 101amd64 > > Returns the following error > > Anyone else have this failure? > > > ====>> Building www/libxul [...] > /wrkdirs/usr/ports/www/libxul/work/mozilla-esr31/ipc/chromium/src/base/process_util_bsd.cc:(.text._ZN4base9LaunchAppERKNSt3__16vectorINS0_12basic_stringIcNS0_11char_traitsIcEENS0_9allocatorIcEEEENS5_IS7_EEEERKNS1_INS0_4pairIiiEENS5_ISD_EEEERKNS0_3mapIS7_S7_NS0_4lessIS7_EENS5_INSC_IKS7_S7_EEEEEENS_15ChildPrivilegesEbPiNS_19ProcessArchitectureE+0x402): > warning: undefined reference to `environ' > /usr/bin/ld: libxul.so: hidden symbol `FT_Get_X11_Font_Format' isn't defined Caused by current (2.6) freetype. Looks like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1143411 The following sed works with gnu sed, I'm not sure if FreeBSD's version will like it. sed -i '/^ftglyph.h/ i ftfntfmt.h' config/system-headers Looks as if there is a commit link on the bugzilla entry, perhaps you can get a patch there if the sed is not acceptable. ĸen -- This one goes up to eleven! From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 12:10:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7AFA9975B1 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-yk0-x22b.google.com (mail-yk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BF01168E for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:10:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by ykee186 with SMTP id e186so34138437yke.2 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=ZTEA4Kly1FLb9Po4Zguo5jlmgZp7rv6+O7CbGt6O8kQ=; b=UT7S0C0ojnNzNGfZzyDpQLmPIzAJL5ZYbSzvv3HbGIDQOhq1d+77cTMMwdDpZVKOqH rRR5+2kCW1sPkq+sMNc4YXorSdLHNVqKQtABCUA1//rp2fgpsEkbb3WcLmaLxO+zN7Tp u0sBGidXFbS8/kqAShJPDpCgWHNOp8IPTnfPY= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZTEA4Kly1FLb9Po4Zguo5jlmgZp7rv6+O7CbGt6O8kQ=; b=kXUKhcNQ7roA9bV3EXLyG5hOP3c9EkhG/B51xsGBpLuEdopfG9BjoFyXjOhvtMOBO4 vPbzYYrGiKhfqGEC5K8dCGtwvgtX/Mrj2a3IT3bJljBuZqHNc0r5l3xoNbC2pNiiKPB2 H2ZyErztkyW2H5wGWgWT0t+YFjdTYCMNUAo6RXUhFdcKOTG0dlhbHDSkUrsIdve8ySX7 q5IJZ0M5zSq8l63q1Bjh08HBpxEx1+CmNdq/x+sznRTsKiqmJXJwzJ0ejKO58mokgKse xMeP5ojU1Ze4mnbgsoewGBKe1tckNurve+0fwsH+ecT3ggsRnpMVKOgNtuLuToFLwpND TQhg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnXU39C7CDBMaDcqBCoCagel80naoDhGi4cPU9ti3ade35fsXqG+qCIqudGvErT8w5xBmif MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.129.76.140 with SMTP id z134mr17719160ywa.17.1436443835692; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.13.193.194 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 05:10:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <559D9C96.5070601@sneakertech.com> References: <559D9C96.5070601@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:10:35 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 12:10:37 -0000 Thanks to Paul, Charles and Quartz for your wonderful input and sharing as much details as possible of your experience. Paul, your jail/ZFS scenario sounds like a perfect dream, but despite the fact that all instances in this case will be FBSD, It must be a VM environment because testing involves some solutions that run on windows and different linux distros. But depending on the results for the final production environment, it may end up coming true. Charles, I will certainly have a rich exploration territory on all the things you shared. Since I came into this project with an already functioning site, I will most certainly be making improvements on the running site. Quartz, I'll be booting the host FBSD from a separate smaller drive and leave the main disks for the guests, so my plan is to do 2 sets of raid1 arrays. As for the fs, I'll try to improve my knowledge of ZFS until I can feel confident enough to solve any problem that may arise. Well ... since this is a test env, do you think it would be ok to use one raid array with the regular ufs2 and the other with zfs? Again, thank you ! -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since version 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] (99,7% winfoes FREE) 2015-07-08 18:56 GMT-03:00 Quartz : > I thought about zfs but I won't have lots of RAM avaliable. >> > > ZFS doesn't technically NEED gobs of ram just to function, that's a long > standing urban myth repeated by people who don't understand how the ARC > and/or dedupe works. You can run ZFS on basically any system, it's just a > question of how much it can cache. The less it can cache the more it will > have to hit the disks.... but that applies to basically every filesystem. > > As for raid level, you only have four disks so you don't have a lot of > options. You're pretty much looking at a raid-1, raid-10 or raid-5/raidz-1. > A 4-way raid-1 is I think overkill, and a bunch of VMs will be heavy on the > random read/write so a raid-5/raidz-1 will be worse than a raid-10 > performance wise. (Although with only a four disk array the difference > probably won't be earth shattering, so if you really need the space a 5/z1 > won't kill you). > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 14:03:44 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035F39967FF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:03:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qg0-f50.google.com (mail-qg0-f50.google.com [209.85.192.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA54B12B9 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:03:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qgef3 with SMTP id f3so65673758qge.0 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=RLlEw2GjBW3xyAMJA40bKRi6iWyYmqoVWYZogHJAATI=; b=M+IzYrFUF6X7I8NXhOoavhhY0Z3ubgm51Gti208SnVgIIREkK7zq0g6OXprSTB3TPB P1OXjOMclwMT8mkeJE1589XrAyYBjXHPoYirZ4NL1ptdMv71Oi2QjbTQcLEOCmiT4vlg rVv2UhuQCaxMNkFCFA4xxAwyNE6gCKJWQIpJkTrJpLxkohQs6RGQgwsMxteBAPuo433F VQ+LuV/dKet7Csf/xbCz635vcQ9nMy8R75fr/RTK5IDHmTTjOW8v7liymsVS6d9eP58n SBIk8ySWNbKfnAcWu8pvaJDrmISzHjTmCTpVYqhJDLM+jQeUFHccxUv9SnPTvYlqygHq gvHg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmxmzKfPqXy17MGztSpF+59YU6WKhP9mv+ApuS3yzEGzRRntO984bTs0Z4vRVhduMhKsU+v X-Received: by 10.140.42.247 with SMTP id c110mr24323041qga.100.1436450308056; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:58:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. [96.236.20.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g81sm3568749qhc.8.2015.07.09.06.58.26 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jul 2015 06:58:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:58:27 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <334E67CD-AA5D-44B7-AA01-9AC690118E29@kraus-haus.org> References: To: freebsd-questions X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:03:44 -0000 On Jul 8, 2015, at 15:49, Mario Lobo wrote: > I'm building a server that is going to host VMs for a small e-commerce > site. It's mainly going to be used for testing new solutions/improving = the > current site (on the cloud at this moment) but in the medium to long = run, > the idea is to hold the production site in it. > Since I don't have any experience in running VMs for e-commerce, I = don't > know for sure if my plan is correct or even feasible. >=20 > I want to use FBSD 10 as the host OS and the VMs will run under = Virtual Box. I have been using FBSD / VBox to host both development and production = sites for about 3 years now. None are E-commerce, but some are a pretty = heavy load. > It should be a Dell 430 server (or IBM equivalent) CPU Xeon E5-2630 = with 4 > 2T SATA HDs/16 G Ram/ RAID PERC H730 controller (supported by mesas). I am very, very rarely CPU limited. My biggest throttle is a combination = of Internet connection and disk I/O. > All VMs will run FBSD also with usual Apache/php/Mysql combination. >=20 > I really would welcome suggestions/opinions on what would be the most > efficient way to set up those HDs to hold these virtual disks. >=20 > I thought about zfs but I won't have lots of RAM avaliable. Should I = use > the controller raid? Gmirror/Graid? What raid level? That=92s a tough one=85 A caching RAID controller can make a huge = difference in disk performance, but you also run the risk of silent data = corruption and I have never been really happy with the tools to monitor = HW RAID controllers. With limited RAM the performance of ZFS can suffer. = Does the PERC controller have an NVRAM cache and can it be setup one = drive per presented volume ? I have down that and then used the = presented volumes in a ZFS pool. My latest VM server is an older Supermicro with 2 x X5550 CPU and 80 GB = RAM (the last 16 GB to get to 96 was backordered when I needed to build = it) and 4 x 500 GB WD RE series drives. Since I don=92t need much space = per VM, one pair of the drives is a ZFS mirror for the OS and the other = pair is a ZFS mirror for the VMs. I would really rather stripe/mirror = across multiple disks for the VM images, but the chassis only has 4 = drive slots. This configuration is very fast for FBSD guests as well as = Linux and Windows (Yes, I need them all). But, my biggest concern with E-commerce would be the Internet = connectivity and some type of fault tolerant load balancing. My highest = profile production sites run on SmartOS instances out at Joyent. We are = _hoping_ to have enough business in the next year to justify moving our = own servers into a Tier-1 CoLo, but we can=92t justify the cost (yet)... -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 14:32:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D80E996DB6 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:32:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qg0-f46.google.com (mail-qg0-f46.google.com [209.85.192.46]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F3E315B0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:32:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qgep37 with SMTP id p37so23846007qge.1 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=x4cqnP6AHRdTT664Fp+3yYeBBUbbC43fWrKD8a0oSSs=; b=Jov6GYkyuSD0HDcYdNLcLuPnwy1uYEfcXQk/rNcNnFRB/Q+eJ6qilTIfxv0QviK8SR 13Dt0J4+e+9xNrHKPFW/S1T/R4zG0DjjNVpSUCCJ8iVmUNlgYxTsZySGqTSXEeCmFhpT 0g+cUNTL/l6FdIsCFsPdYeHquZPBsX84dMAHsIfosxd27f8WvtqX/138ZiDxbObUA5n7 YJ45h9g2ky2GLKobebu5XPYlQLuEJrdIr14jgjjzxyzzY52arwyU1eQ07m6+Kp3SYay+ FUQY7HXfSPqSRp2+ah2apPk11DTr2BVStpnaECaiD3/QSbFvo8gHy+uDvKJ0TJL5nVTa wMdg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmrDjjArA2xTHKyOKKk7WMYZWgyc8WLnj8di8eWyd+1adJWIgqSEdxrhH5wLzD7nlunn3bP X-Received: by 10.140.108.6 with SMTP id i6mr24566880qgf.73.1436452366743; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 07:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. 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From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:32:45 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> References: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> To: FreeBSD - X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:32:48 -0000 On Jul 8, 2015, at 17:21, Charles Swiger wrote: > On Jul 8, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Mario Lobo wrote: > Most of the PROD databases I know of working from local storage have = heaps of > RAID-1 mirrors, and sometimes larger volumes created as RAID-10 or = RAID-50. > Higher volume shops use dedicated SAN filers via redundant Fibre = Channel mesh > or similar for their database storage needs. Many years ago I had a client buy a couple racks FULL of trays of 36 GB = SCSI drives (yes, it was that long ago) and partition them so that they = only used the first 1 GB of each. This was purely for performance. They = were running a relatively large Oracle database and lots of OLTP = transactions. >=20 >> I thought about zfs but I won't have lots of RAM avaliable >=20 > ZFS wants to be run against bare metal. I've never seen anyone setup = ZFS within > a VM; it consumes far too much memory and it really wants to talk = directly to the > hardware for accurate error detection. ZFS runs fine in a VM and the notion that it _needs_ lots of RAM is = mostly false. I have run a FBSD Guest with ZFS and only 1 GB RAM. But=85 ZFS is designed first and foremost for data reliability and not = performance. It gets it=92s performance from striping across many vdevs = (the ZFS term for the top level device you assemble zpools out of), the = ARC (adaptive reuse cache), and Logging devices. Striping requires many = drives. The ARC uses any available RAM as a very aggressive FS cache. = The Log device improves sync writes by committing them to a dedicated = log device (usually a mirror of fast SSDs). I generally use ZFS for the Host (and because of my familiarity with = ZFS, I tend to use ZFS for all of the Host filesystems). Then I use UFS = for the Guests _unless_ I might need to migrate data in or out of a VM = or I need flexibility in partitioning (once you build a zpool, all zfs = datasets in it can grab as much or as little space as they need). I can = use zfs send / recv (even incrementally) to move data around quickly and = easily. I generally turn on compression for VM datasets (I set up one = zfs dataset per VM) as the CPU cost is noise and it dazes a bunch of = space (and reduces physical disk I/O which also improves performance). I = do NOT turn on compression in any ZFS inside a Guest as I am already = compressing at the Host layer. I also have a script that grabs a snapshot of every ZFS dataset every = hour and replicates them over to my backup server. Since ZFS snapshots = have no performance penalty, the only cost to keep them around is the = space used. This has proven to be a lifesaver when a Guest is corrupted, = I can easily and quickly roll it back to the most recent clean version. >=20 >> Should I use the controller raid? Gmirror/Graid? What raid level? >=20 > Level is easy: a 4-disk machine is suited for either a pair of = RAID-1s, a 4-disk RAID-10 volume, > or a 4-disk RAID-5 volume. For ZFS, the number of vdev=92s and the type will determine performance. = For a vdev of the following type you can expect the listed performance. = I am listing performance in terms of comparison to a single disk. N-way mirror: write 1x, read 1*n RaidZ: write 1x, read 1x minimum but variable Note that the performance of a RaidZ vdev does NOT scale with the number = of drives in the RAID set nor does it change with the Raid level (Z1, = Z2, Z3). So for example, a zpool consisting of 4 vdevs each a 2-way mirror will = have 4x the write performance of a single drive and 8x the read = performance. A zpool consisting of 2 vdevs each a RaidZ2 of 4 drives = will have the 2x the write performance of single drive and the read = performance will be a minimum of 2 x the performance of a single drive. = The variable read performance of RaidZ is because RaidZ does not always = write full strips across all the drives in the vdev. In other words, = RaidZ is a variable width Raid system. This has advantages and = disadvantages :-) Here is a good blog post that describes the RaidZ = stripe width http://blog.delphix.com/matt/2014/06/06/zfs-stripe-width/=20= I do NOT use RaidZ for anything except bulk backup data where capacity = is all that matters and performance is limited by lots of other factors. I also create a =93do-not-remove=94 dataset in every zpool with 1 GB = reserved and quota. ZFS behaves very, very badly when FULL. This give me = a cushion when things go badly so I can delete whatever used up all the = space =85 Yes, ZFS cannot delete files if the FS is completely FULL. I = leave the =93do-not-remove=94 dataset unmounted so that it cannot be = used. Here is the config of my latest server (names changed to protect the = guilty): root@host1:~ # zpool status pool: rootpool state: ONLINE scan: none requested config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM rootpool ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada2p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 ada3p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors pool: vm-001 state: ONLINE scan: none requested config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM vm-001 ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-WD-WMAYP2681136 ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-WD-WMAYP3653359 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors root@host1:~ # zfs list NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT rootpool 35.0G 383G 19K none rootpool/ROOT 3.79G 383G 19K none rootpool/ROOT/2015-06-10 1K 383G 3.01G / rootpool/ROOT/default 3.79G 383G 3.08G / rootpool/do-not-remove 19K 1024M 19K none rootpool/software 18.6G 383G 18.6G /software rootpool/tmp 4.29G 383G 4.29G /tmp rootpool/usr 3.98G 383G 19K /usr rootpool/usr/home 19K 383G 19K /usr/home rootpool/usr/ports 3.63G 383G 3.63G /usr/ports rootpool/usr/src 361M 383G 359M /usr/src rootpool/var 3.20G 383G 19K /var rootpool/var/crash 19K 383G 19K /var/crash rootpool/var/log 38.5M 383G 1.19M /var/log rootpool/var/mail 42.5K 383G 30.5K /var/mail rootpool/var/tmp 19K 383G 19K /var/tmp rootpool/var/vbox 3.17G 383G 2.44G /var/vbox vm-001 166G 283G 21K /vm/local vm-001/aaa-01 61.1G 283G 17.0G /vm/local/aaa-01 vm-001/bbb-dev-01 20.8G 283G 13.1G /vm/local/bbb-dev-01 vm-001/ccc-01 21.5K 283G 20.5K /vm/local/ccc-01 vm-001/dev-01 4.10G 283G 3.19G /vm/local/dev-01 vm-001/do-not-remove 19K 1024M 19K none vm-001/ddd-01 4.62G 283G 2.26G /vm/local/ddd-01 vm-001/eee-dev-01 16.6G 283G 15.7G /vm/local/eee-dev-01 vm-001/fff-01 7.44G 283G 3.79G /vm/local/fff-01 vm-001/ggg-02 2.33G 283G 1.77G /vm/local/ggg-02 vm-001/hhh-02 8.99G 283G 6.80G /vm/local/hhh-02 vm-001/iii-repos 36.2G 283G 36.2G /vm/local/iii-repos vm-001/test-01 2.63G 283G 2.63G /vm/local/test-01 vm-001/jjj-dev-01 19K 283G 19K /vm/local/jjj-dev-01 root@host1:~ #=20 -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 14:56:26 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C77E59972C5 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:56:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A62821FFE for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:56:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A08343F7A7; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559E8B91.6080608@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:56:17 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Lobo CC: freebsd-questions Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? References: <559D9C96.5070601@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:56:26 -0000 > Paul, your jail/ZFS scenario sounds like a perfect dream, but despite the > fact that all instances in this case will be FBSD, It must be a > VM environment because testing involves some solutions that run on windows > and different linux distros. Learning about jails isn't a bad thing, and since there's a chance you might end up using it later, it's worth looking into. > Quartz, I'll be booting the host FBSD from a separate smaller drive and > leave the main disks for the guests, so my plan is to do 2 sets of raid1 > arrays. I'd encourage you to at least consider striping them together into a raid-10: that will really increase performance with no material difference in reliability, and it will give you more effective usable space. >As for the fs, I'll try to improve my knowledge of ZFS until I can > feel confident enough to solve any problem that may arise. Fair enough, but being that this system IS a test bed, now might be a great opportunity to learn. >do you think it would be ok to use one raid array with > the regular ufs2 and the other with zfs? There's no technical reason why not, you just won't really be using the system to it's fullest potential. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 16:57:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D0AE99747B for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 16:57:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5BB36375D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 16:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F72F3F849; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559EA804.9030501@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 12:57:40 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Kraus CC: FreeBSD - Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? References: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> In-Reply-To: <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 16:57:43 -0000 > I also create a “do-not-remove” dataset in every zpool with 1 GB > reserved and quota. ZFS behaves very, very badly when FULL. This give > me a cushion when things go badly so I can delete whatever used up > all the space … Yes, ZFS cannot delete files if the FS is completely > FULL. I leave the “do-not-remove” dataset unmounted so that it cannot > be used. Wouldn't it be easier just to set a quota on the root dataset? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 17:00:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBE909974F3 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8B7B38E6 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:00:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A7F8A3F84C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:00:40 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:00:42 -0000 So... does anyone have any ideas here? Is any of this even possible? On 2015-07-07 8:14 PM, Quartz wrote: > Have a couple odd situations I need to work around. I'm wondering if > anyone can help me answer the following questions about updating: > > 1) How do I get a list of available updates for a system WITHOUT > actually downloading anything or writing any files to disk? > > 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or > updates instead of everything? > > 3) How do I (or even can I) manually download patches onto a usb drive > and then install them onto a machine that has no internet connection? > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 17:10:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 210C49976FA for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:10:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qg0-f50.google.com (mail-qg0-f50.google.com [209.85.192.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E50A73E97 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:10:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qgep37 with SMTP id p37so26004587qge.1 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:10:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=x49Z9Vh6jiBmVaEqRB8DUAwJWQxKue2viD4HaQ3NBqk=; b=Bc3HQp9gSHFhgq3NKpNzYMjcnFEBwL8DZKEI9Im5Pvj2trBW6C07AUFTYD2Lgy4nR1 PxM/ouWWbNCJl0P/JTEnkEH/U4XqWGpdmuYmTLg+Zhy466tHZicv7n/s+mVzJWOUrmeh WXRXQhuDy836evfWMLl/+SI5joOl20L7nqg/EXiRInzrs5NjObPK7C9cMDsFR65zW29p YqoL9Aepi+C9VGp1jAV3HGxuCSrLnzREH1OVkAV6SN35ORvq3crNU6j3i78rYXx75HDj wzw/ORmGaJ+joxekSkaIex869Acr+PjxHuJt53BuxWIQoZUZc3HAUYZb10lahLK2HFiV 4eWg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmNH5X3J2kXADJr7leM2ZiUj4k74zRLymmZORDRd9sZt/xRudIXFbhgecBJVTltYs+4K5W+ X-Received: by 10.140.217.147 with SMTP id n141mr27800752qhb.43.1436461469039; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. 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From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <20150709163926.GA83027@neutralgood.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:04:27 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> <20150709163926.GA83027@neutralgood.org> To: FreeBSD - X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:10:23 -0000 On Jul 9, 2015, at 12:39, kpneal@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 10:32:45AM -0400, Paul Kraus wrote: >> I do NOT use RaidZ for anything except bulk backup data where = capacity is all that matters and performance is limited by lots of other = factors. >=20 > A 4-drive raidz2 is more reliable than a pair of two drive mirrors, = striped. > But the pair of mirrors will perform much better.=20 Agreed. In terms of MTTDL (Mean Time To Data Loss), which Richard Elling = did lots of work researching, from best to worst: 4-way mirror RAIDz3 3-way mirror RAIDz2 2-way mirror RAIDz1 Stripe (no redundancy) But =85 The MTTDL for a 2-way mirror and a 2 drive RAIDz1 are the same. = The same can be said of a 3-way mirror and a 3 drive RAIDz2. A 4-way = mirror and a 4 drive RAIDz3 also have the same MTTDL. In reality, no one = configures a RAIDz1 of 2 drives, a RAIDz2 of 3 drives, or a RAIDz3 of 4 = drives. Take a look at Richards blog post on this topic here: = http://blog.richardelling.com/2010/02/zfs-data-protection-comparison.html > It's all a balancing act of performance vs reliability. *shrug* Don=92t forget cost :-) Fast - Cheap - Reliable =85 maybe you can have = two :-) > My main server has a three-way mirror and that's it. Three because = there > are only three brands of server-grade SAS drives. My home server has 3 stripes of 3-way mirrors. And yes, each vdev is = made up of three different drives (in some cases the same manufacturer, = but different models and production dates). >=20 >> I also create a =93do-not-remove=94 dataset in every zpool with 1 GB = reserved and quota. ZFS behaves very, very badly when FULL. This give me = a cushion when things go badly so I can delete whatever used up all the = space =85 Yes, ZFS cannot delete files if the FS is completely FULL. I = leave the =93do-not-remove=94 dataset unmounted so that it cannot be = used. >=20 > Isn't this fixed in FreeBSD 10.2? Or was it 11? I can't remember = because > I haven't upgraded to that point yet. I do remember complaints from = people > who did upgrade and then saw they didn't have as much space free as = they > did before the upgrade. I was not aware this had been accepted as a bug to fix :-) It has been a = detail to note for ZFS from the very beginning. Do you know if this is a = FBSD specific fix or coming down from OpenZFS ? -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 17:18:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9484F9979D9 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:18:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: from mail-qg0-f44.google.com (mail-qg0-f44.google.com [209.85.192.44]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 544D41C48 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:18:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from paul@kraus-haus.org) Received: by qgef3 with SMTP id f3so68350965qge.0 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:17:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=QQYVRMUiN+wQ+WhLhPTgW/b79qXjXKJ2gNGzP+mDhsk=; b=kEWyym+nhcjxdHZMNTs5RH4rYX0wXULJl0JbIsNVUd+/oiIVJaEobem/XmNr89tHjX UVC3PdcSa3vf9pvHczsmn76qB1hgYi+TGcjco+NZfgR37vJAe1gMJKhVBOMsFgv8arsT RQEyZwq8wnjq83c9vM+LbwptD97ZDbuB0PnUpg7ej7nG8MWmVNL53rEtApenmOE0BW0I /uQAHQNrmvntQOCyX6hS+atYIs0a2uDsinJMrpG/mMZTmGSNIAjYFpxyin+naxblYnXr an9SVb1jsXoPgChcFomdKVStpCitk4v/SLYX3K5T1Ooy8F86o5toqlF7pt/bpS4VDylE aqwg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmfu1IbRebU+3pNurDrhuzSAUoXq9vO5hrHDPoNehx1GWMnbnwAc8hYMUHRP6fnLsDyRnno X-Received: by 10.55.54.65 with SMTP id d62mr26266769qka.59.1436461940373; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mbp-1.thecreativeadvantage.com (mail.thecreativeadvantage.com. [96.236.20.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 60sm4007756qgy.11.2015.07.09.10.12.18 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? From: Paul Kraus In-Reply-To: <559EA804.9030501@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:12:19 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83187224-AE6F-4C57-890C-F53077A1C5F4@kraus-haus.org> References: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> <559EA804.9030501@sneakertech.com> To: FreeBSD - X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:18:06 -0000 On Jul 9, 2015, at 12:57, Quartz wrote: >> I also create a =93do-not-remove=94 dataset in every zpool with 1 GB >> reserved and quota. ZFS behaves very, very badly when FULL. This give >> me a cushion when things go badly so I can delete whatever used up >> all the space =85 Yes, ZFS cannot delete files if the FS is = completely >> FULL. I leave the =93do-not-remove=94 dataset unmounted so that it = cannot >> be used. >=20 > Wouldn't it be easier just to set a quota on the root dataset? Setting a quota will not work as it will limit all the child datasets as = well. You could set a refquota, if you were not using the root dataset = for anything (which is the default behavior of FBSD when installed ZFS = only). I started doing this on servers before we had the ref = parameters and old habits die hard :-) In general, the =93ref=94 version of dataset parameters was a great = addition so that you could see what a point in the _middle_ of a = hierarchy was doing and control it. -- Paul Kraus paul@kraus-haus.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 17:35:24 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72152997386 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joshua@joshualokken.com) Received: from fusor.joshualokken.com (fusor.joshualokken.com [192.223.25.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DA0B140F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:35:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from joshua@joshualokken.com) Received: from 0019cb2ce9ff.click-network.com ([131.191.38.159]:15121 helo=localhost) by fusor.joshualokken.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDFjH-000PRN-Vq for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:35:24 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:35:28 -0700 From: Joshua Lokken To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update Message-ID: <20150709173528.GF1048@satellite.workgroup.local> References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:35:24 -0000 On Jul/09 01:00PM, Quartz wrote: > So... does anyone have any ideas here? Is any of this even possible? > > > On 2015-07-07 8:14 PM, Quartz wrote: > > Have a couple odd situations I need to work around. I'm wondering if > > anyone can help me answer the following questions about updating: > > > > 1) How do I get a list of available updates for a system WITHOUT > > actually downloading anything or writing any files to disk? > > > > 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or > > updates instead of everything? > > > > 3) How do I (or even can I) manually download patches onto a usb drive > > and then install them onto a machine that has no internet connection? After reading the handbook chapter and the man page for freebsd-update it seems likely freebsd-update is not the tool you are looking for. See Brandon Wandersee's previous reply -- I concur, however, I am not an expert on the topic, either. -- Joshua From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 17:35:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 182759973FC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:35:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jungleboogie0@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x231.google.com (mail-ig0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA73C14AC for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 17:35:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jungleboogie0@gmail.com) Received: by igpy18 with SMTP id y18so1828125igp.0 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=irHzDe1G0xWabOjSqOd8T+1KQrkCnWxm0TrHWCReZ6I=; b=bq9mUdbQ95Hc03rZmuEFp+1/ze47LYY81xgphbW5s3KhsOi0vXm3McP1Z5OhwbAEGW xeNndlfDauFv5bz3+f+0nEWrHQio2Q9S6UY4vCKMtNRZ4LobB7tXYGfwmuYZOEb4XsEq K9/efiFsTwgSHgY+Ni3o17SpD21e2bAYIJGMZN5wL9MG8s32QBcROwyYwIqi21zOe+75 eeOeKfaxhkUnpAE02uzNnNGw5F0j4Kddj/PHngAyb1QlaL3O9rmdk7f7gw6hK3rPlJgc eB+ckhHqE96lQVwlIxJXErx4xa7ctrlRfwKqtNNfP0Cuwn/1KIBxDsFEeB6DLydDK2Yr hqfQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.61.195 with SMTP id s3mr1253808igr.62.1436463339108; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.79.74.130 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 10:35:39 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update From: jungle Boogie To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 17:35:40 -0000 On 7 July 2015 at 17:14, Quartz wrote: > 1) How do I get a list of available updates for a system WITHOUT actually > downloading anything or writing any files to disk? Well when I use freebsd-update it's to fetch security advisories and errata notices, both available on the lower right side here: https://www.freebsd.org/ Open one up, look for the patch and view it. I have no idea about 2. For 3, the SA and EN contain this at the bottom: VI. Correction details The following list contains the correction revision numbers for each affected branch. I don't think you'd be able to patch a release machine without freebsd-update as with stable/head, you need to fetch latest code, build world and head as described here: https://www.FreeBSD.org/handbook/makeworld.html -- ------- inum: 883510009027723 sip: jungleboogie@sip2sip.info xmpp: jungle-boogie@jit.si From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 20:07:40 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 899CD9976DA for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 573561309 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:07:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-207-98-175-216.knology.net [207.98.175.216] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t69K7R7V027553 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:07:30 -0500 Message-ID: <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 15:13:41 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:07:40 -0000 On 07/09/15 12:06, Quartz wrote: > So... does anyone have any ideas here? Is any of this even possible? > > > On 2015-07-07 8:14 PM, Quartz wrote: >> Have a couple odd situations I need to work around. I'm wondering if >> anyone can help me answer the following questions about updating: >> >> 1) How do I get a list of available updates for a system WITHOUT >> actually downloading anything or writing any files to disk? I would like to see this as well :-) .... >> >> 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or >> updates instead of everything? Given the integration of base system packages & kernel, I don't think you would want to do this. This actually sounds kinda .... dare I say it (?) .... *linuxy* .... ick >> >> 3) How do I (or even can I) manually download patches onto a usb drive >> and then install them onto a machine that has no internet connection? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 21:08:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82AF99974AB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 21:08:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11A381C94 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 21:08:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from brian@brianwhalen.net) Received: by lbbpo10 with SMTP id po10so81999242lbb.3 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=KhR8wLkgUxusu1QrVEH4yGnLXgF7VfhvyF0XLSfTZS0=; b=JB7/lEUnmE5VByB+fsw7rsPE/nFQLOW2+GmZEMLaW1zJ3Vt4VwBpxXuyOda6ZQL4pr Zav//4JsaOpNyP9/4aAdgWHZGWsBdDbXfR1WckB8au2gHKbdFONPrSjh3OperCchDW8Q mnXF49hR6jNrU0ua0Cewc2NGUOBqFjEf/Cn8E5aZpNrdPuolQXQwT44NmViW2aShjB8s vdwVCKzrJJ1Gh+SIVnhc4TdCGWeImHHfP1r5WwH/znsTEkTqxeUBOvbylrHhG7NXr9hQ PzfTbNjvCCT25dSjUpqFf+mFINcwuL7yudGKeGEYkz6F9iEUOMzFOIUr7o0LencheVBU Yj3w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmrzjzD1xZf08e/lLwheUQW6CMJGplpYV9AfcssVpjal90YIYRIApMDXbLgKRE9AsF2pEVQ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.168.165 with SMTP id zx5mr16366331lbb.111.1436475690312; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.4.194 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:01:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [108.217.243.25] In-Reply-To: <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:01:30 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update From: "Brian W." To: "William A. Mahaffey III" Cc: FreeBSD questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:08:54 -0000 Looking at http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/updating-upgrading-freebsdupdate.html I see the below. @daily root freebsd-update cron If patches exist, they will automatically be downloaded but will not be applied. The root user will be sent an email so that the patches may be reviewed and manually installed with freebsd-update install. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:06 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 07/09/15 12:06, Quartz wrote: > >> So... does anyone have any ideas here? Is any of this even possible? >> >> >> On 2015-07-07 8:14 PM, Quartz wrote: >> >>> Have a couple odd situations I need to work around. I'm wondering if >>> anyone can help me answer the following questions about updating: >>> >>> 1) How do I get a list of available updates for a system WITHOUT >>> actually downloading anything or writing any files to disk? >>> >> > I would like to see this as well :-) .... > > >>> 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or >>> updates instead of everything? >>> >> > Given the integration of base system packages & kernel, I don't think you > would want to do this. This actually sounds kinda .... dare I say it (?) > .... *linuxy* .... ick > > >>> 3) How do I (or even can I) manually download patches onto a usb drive >>> and then install them onto a machine that has no internet connection? >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >>> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >>> To unsubscribe, send any mail to >>> "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> >> > > -- > > William A. Mahaffey III > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war > ever devised by man." > -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 21:25:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99DE9977BB for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 21:25:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from mail-in5.apple.com (mail-out5.apple.com [17.151.62.27]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85616145D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 21:25:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cswiger@mac.com) Received: from relay4.apple.com (relay4.apple.com [17.128.113.87]) by mail-in5.apple.com (Apple Secure Mail Relay) with SMTP id 7D.33.12430.5D6EE955; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:25:41 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 11973e13-f79d56d00000308e-3b-559ee6d51ff9 Received: from [17.149.228.60] (Unknown_Domain [17.149.228.60]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by relay4.apple.com (Apple SCV relay) with SMTP id B8.6B.11814.5D6EE955; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:25:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? From: Charles Swiger In-Reply-To: <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:25:41 -0700 Cc: FreeBSD - Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0B66BF03-53F6-4CDD-8530-6CFFA89D04EE@mac.com> References: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> To: Paul Kraus X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrPLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUi2FAYrnv12bxQg7PXzSxeft3EYjGxfTK7 A5PHjE/zWTymvt7EFMAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJUx/80l5oID/BXvPu5ibGCcxNPFyMkhIWAi cebba0YIW0ziwr31bF2MXBxCAnsZJdZ9n8YIU3T032JGiMRUJomfL36zgSSYBfQkdlz/xQpi 8wLZPee+gDUIC+hIbHrzjamLkYODTUBNYsJEsGWcAk4SE8/+BguzCKhINB/VhpiiK9F04y0j hK0tsWzha2aIiVYSXSvuMUGs3coo0XJ9EhNIQgSod/nRg6wQt8lKbH3TClYkIfCRVaKp7zzr BEahWUjOm4XkvFlIlixgZF7FKJSbmJmjm5lnqpdYUJCTqpecn7uJERTC0+2EdzCeXmV1iFGA g1GJh1dj+9xQIdbEsuLK3EOM0hwsSuK8f67MCxUSSE8sSc1OTS1ILYovKs1JLT7EyMTBKdXA mPZ37m/eD3GtV2/VRrHO78yfobbqoq+ZbNnxp4V/1yf2RCTNntgw3/XB9lsVVyYULFhS82sh +6Jrj/9xTvvcxP/4x4yoM2qVcd9TGL9pR3c5PDK0lf1fY5fLdZqXYdWCC/Mj8s0O7Ly8m0/n 1YNwTeOjtnIVH13Ocd3sYHL/7SVl+u/DhAuzpJVYijMSDbWYi4oTAbjJUPBCAgAA X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrELMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUiOPWJje7VZ/NCDbauNLF4+XUTi8XE9sns DkweMz7NZ/GY+noTUwBTFJdNSmpOZllqkb5dAlfG/DeXmAsO8Fe8+7iLsYFxEk8XIyeHhICJ xNF/ixkhbDGJC/fWs3UxcnEICUxlkvj54jcbSIJZQE9ix/VfrCA2L5Ddc+4LWIOwgI7Epjff mLoYOTjYBNQkJkwEm8kp4CQx8exvsDCLgIpE81FtiCm6Ek033jJC2NoSyxa+ZoaYaCXRteIe E8TarYwSLdcnMYEkRIB6lx89yApxm6zE1jetTBMY+WchuWgWkotmIZm7gJF5FaNAUWpOYqWJ XmJBQU6qXnJ+7iZGUMg1FIbvYPy3zOoQowAHoxIPr8b2uaFCrIllxZW5hxglOJiVRHjn358X KsSbklhZlVqUH19UmpNafIhRmoNFSZxXc8qUUCGB9MSS1OzU1ILUIpgsEwenVAPjxZyuYu/O mXrXFodrB08RXCRUnpf48tb8IDPGpMTG6dtqJCW4rtWdUuuSuVm5Jf7PkQ2uVn4RkiEPp66Y FlTx/sb/x/P3fGy21WkNCjLSZjLp8GezM5XwmdPiOpHtHu+3gEArh59M9Y0hKzk1AusnSvbc 3m517dgKs3ts+nUrz3Ia9NmlmSqxFGckGmoxFxUnAgDlY0KQNQIAAA== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:25:48 -0000 On Jul 9, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Paul Kraus wrote: > On Jul 8, 2015, at 17:21, Charles Swiger wrote: [ ... ] >> Most of the PROD databases I know of working from local storage have = heaps of >> RAID-1 mirrors, and sometimes larger volumes created as RAID-10 or = RAID-50. >> Higher volume shops use dedicated SAN filers via redundant Fibre = Channel mesh >> or similar for their database storage needs. >=20 > Many years ago I had a client buy a couple racks FULL of trays of 36 = GB SCSI drives (yes, it was that long ago) and partition them so that = they only used the first 1 GB of each. This was purely for performance. = They were running a relatively large Oracle database and lots of OLTP = transactions. I seem to have memories of very expensive 18GB and 36GB 15K RPM Seagate = Barracuda drives with SCA-2 connectors filling racks full of Sun E450s = serving similar roles. :-) >>> I thought about zfs but I won't have lots of RAM avaliable >>=20 >> ZFS wants to be run against bare metal. I've never seen anyone setup = ZFS within >> a VM; it consumes far too much memory and it really wants to talk = directly to the >> hardware for accurate error detection. >=20 > ZFS runs fine in a VM and the notion that it _needs_ lots of RAM is = mostly false. I have run a FBSD Guest with ZFS and only 1 GB RAM. No doubt FreeBSD + ZFS + low memory has improved from what it once was. = But I also suspect that if you did something on the system which put a = significant amount of memory pressure on that 1GB VM, it would handle = such a load significantly better using UFS than using ZFS. That's a = claim without #s, but someone with such a setup could run some = benchmarks if they wanted to compare. [ ...The rest of your post was informative, and hopefully helpful to the = OP as well-- but snipped since I don't have more specific things to say = in reply.... ] Regards, --=20 -Chuck From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 22:07:18 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1226334F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:07:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 69F2E16D for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDJyE-00025L-4P for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:07:06 +0200 Received: from 5e1bbe3e.mobile.pool.telekom.hu ([94.27.190.62]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:07:06 +0200 Received: from leventelist by 5e1bbe3e.mobile.pool.telekom.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:07:06 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Lev Subject: crash report Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:06:50 +0200 Lines: 7 Message-ID: <20150710000650.7e04b25c@jive.levalinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 5e1bbe3e.mobile.pool.telekom.hu X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:07:18 -0000 T2theSwgSSBtYWRlIG15IHN5c3RlbSBjcmFzaCBieSBjb25uZWN0aW5nIGFuIFVTQiBzb3VuZCBj YXJkIHRvIHRoZQ0Kc3lzdGVtLCB3aGlsZSBpdCB3YXMgcGxheWluZyBtdXNpYyB2aWEgYW4gaW50 ZWdyYXRlZCBzb3VuZCBjYXJkLg0KDQpUaGUgc3lzdGVtIGdlbmVyYXRlZCBjcmFzaCByZXBvcnQg ZmlsZXMgaW4gL3Zhci9jcmFzaC4NCg0KU2hhbGwgSSBzZW5kIHRoZW0gdG8gc29tZW9uZT8gVG8g dGhlIGJ1ZyB0cmFja2VyPw0KDQoNCkxldg0KDQotLSANCjczIGRlIEhBNU9HTA0KT3AuOiBMZXZl bnRlDQo= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 23:21:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8202F3CFF for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 23:21:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cary@sdf.org) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.229]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E18B8E7 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 23:21:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cary@sdf.org) Received: from [67.49.10.59] ([67.49.10.59:11733] helo=bsdstb.Belkin.invalid) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 76/0D-13217-8D10F955; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:20:57 +0000 From: Cary To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: crash report In-Reply-To: <20150710000650.7e04b25c@jive.levalinux.org> (message from Lev on Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:06:50 +0200) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 16:20:55 -0700 Message-ID: <86k2u8dijs.fsf@bsdstb.Belkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:21:04 -0000 Lev writes: > Okay, I made my system crash by connecting an USB sound card to the > system, while it was playing music via an integrated sound card. > > The system generated crash report files in /var/crash. > > Shall I send them to someone? To the bug tracker? > > > Lev Hi, Lev. Make the report. There should be enough information to provide a useful description of the crash. The FreeBSD FAQ provides some pointers. http://www.FreeBSD.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/faq/troubleshoot.html#idp56675664 Cary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Jul 9 23:51:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3023A3347 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 23:51:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: from mail-qg0-x22c.google.com (mail-qg0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c04::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0316B72 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 23:51:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lobo@bsd.com.br) Received: by qgef3 with SMTP id f3so72745181qge.0 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 16:51:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsd.com.br; s=capeta; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:organization :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ONOiO6XwmQjM64POotnXxVgHFSt1AXOA4Qb+bULYm8w=; b=IhB8hf6T4cU2J2kUidqLxOtwd5GOluP5xErdXo8mxzajVH5bWQI5Did0HnBywrG+be dBycdAz9c+L7K6ZFFvaTXTTgRRG9P6TpEDt7tHl6mO2MOHxETbVdDaTe71aftyW/7/jg 4GauyS6xcZPw9CvTo8pAD9GcdvH+/fDpdzM9M= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ONOiO6XwmQjM64POotnXxVgHFSt1AXOA4Qb+bULYm8w=; b=IE5gBuiuKPC8tqEonUWsvlCMvnWvVyG3bttya6eKKTUigcQhUBTTonkZGgHh6u5RMb Ab0G7WTE9UzY15xwmwqwP6LiRtWXBByoAlhLx91edhwVc3yFKHy7Z0ZV3DvlSHDCBCcu fD4kqP2B2xiAk077eZ+1Ow5ah6v4uoYnNQx/lGqkkg/70CX7CfQVI++TwKcDpnoeMajB zrh1oCi2nKIeuCRbGLADr4eu02tQvmw22qu6vemz8is6st/GeTvNIQJQ5NKNZ00V8o6X IcGqA1sDmt/vBIBk9X7mn4T/vDTzoI5UL99ky2fYsY2E2B/pkH5k6FpzTmoIh1UQ3QXR 2Sjg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk/6RDbceAeCPELc8DcxS3mOQpc+7w2bzh3e4/WzlGUzFcT0qhbC8nS5imQVFWBNFtSllW9 X-Received: by 10.140.236.77 with SMTP id h74mr29760968qhc.21.1436485910529; Thu, 09 Jul 2015 16:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Papi ([191.33.15.84]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t17sm4606864qgt.49.2015.07.09.16.51.49 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 09 Jul 2015 16:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:56:16 -0300 From: Mario Lobo To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? Message-ID: <20150709205616.0f20889d@Papi> In-Reply-To: <0B66BF03-53F6-4CDD-8530-6CFFA89D04EE@mac.com> References: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> <0B66BF03-53F6-4CDD-8530-6CFFA89D04EE@mac.com> Organization: BSD X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.25; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 23:51:52 -0000 On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:25:41 -0700 [ ENORMOUS Snip] > Regards, WOW! I just got home and I saw so much info that my brain was shaken (but not stirred ;)! ). Being a ufs-only guy for as long as I can remember, and only used gmirror, I really have to dig in the ZFS terminology to better understand what you guys are talking about. And all this conversation goes to show that I don't know as much about RAID as I thought I did. All these mails went straight to my personal list KB. Once again, thanks to all for sharing your experiences and hopefully, soon enough, I'll be able to contribute with some of mine to keep the discussion going. The more endless this topic becomes, the better! Best wishes to everyone and excuse me while I hit the books. -- Mario Lobo http://www.mallavoodoo.com.br FreeBSD since 2.2.8 [not Pro-Audio.... YET!!] "UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 01:41:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27F143845 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:41:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06B841B41 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:41:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5C3E63F6D4; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 21:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559F22C8.70903@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:41:28 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mario Lobo CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Gmirror/graid or hardware raid? References: <917A821C-02F8-4F96-88DA-071E3431C335@mac.com> <7F08761C-556E-4147-95DB-E84B4E5179A5@kraus-haus.org> <0B66BF03-53F6-4CDD-8530-6CFFA89D04EE@mac.com> <20150709205616.0f20889d@Papi> In-Reply-To: <20150709205616.0f20889d@Papi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:41:32 -0000 > Being a ufs-only guy for as long as I can remember, and only used > gmirror, I really have to dig in the ZFS terminology to better > understand what you guys are talking about. FWIW, there was a list of videos just posted to freebsd-fs a couple days ago. If you decide to jump into ZFS, after you have a handle on all the basics it might be worth watching these two videos: An Introduction to the Implementation of ZFS (part 1 of 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP_JfUUmDZo An Introduction to the Implementation of ZFS (part 2 of 2): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-RCLgLxuSc ... they describe how ZFS works under the hood and it might help you understand the why and how of ZFS' more complex parts. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 01:55:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2422439B7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:55:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED7E41F13 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:55:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 991873F6F8 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 21:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:55:04 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 01:55:07 -0000 >>> 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or >>> updates instead of everything? > > Given the integration of base system packages & kernel, I don't think > you would want to do this. This actually sounds kinda .... dare I say it > (?) .... *linuxy* .... ick The main rationale here is that updates can occasionally cause behavior changes which can negatively interact with 3rd party software. If we're trying to test new patches for compatibility issues or we're seeing a bug that seems dependent on patch level, it's kind of a requirement to be able to step though the updates one by one. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 02:05:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CE0F3B0F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:05:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 140C026F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:05:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC1AC3F70F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:05:07 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:05:10 -0000 >>>> 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or >>>> updates instead of everything? >> >> Given the integration of base system packages & kernel, I don't think >> you would want to do this. This actually sounds kinda .... dare I say it >> (?) .... *linuxy* .... ick > > The main rationale here is that updates can occasionally cause behavior > changes which can negatively interact with 3rd party software. If we're > trying to test new patches for compatibility issues or we're seeing a > bug that seems dependent on patch level, it's kind of a requirement to > be able to step though the updates one by one. I should clarify: I know it's possible to do this by downloading the patch/asc files and doing the whole make/install dance, but that requires all the build tools to be installed which is awkward on dedicated systems that need a small footprint. What I'm hoping for is a way to download the patches in binary form and use some flavor of 'freebsd-update install patch_file' instead. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 02:06:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B39243B40 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77C7A330 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:06:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 556F724C70; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:06:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6A26QhX005955; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:06:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:06:26 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update Message-Id: <20150710040626.6cdf28d2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:06:36 -0000 On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 21:55:04 -0400, Quartz wrote: > >>> 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or > >>> updates instead of everything? > > > > Given the integration of base system packages & kernel, I don't think > > you would want to do this. This actually sounds kinda .... dare I say it > > (?) .... *linuxy* .... ick > > The main rationale here is that updates can occasionally cause behavior > changes which can negatively interact with 3rd party software. This is correct, but so can selectively applying updates... While updates to the operating system are usually tested before they are released, there _might_ be side effects on software which will show up due to an update of the OS. This is not very common, but possible. That's why it's important to also update /usr/src so you can read the UPDATING file which usually covers potential problems. > If we're > trying to test new patches for compatibility issues or we're seeing a > bug that seems dependent on patch level, it's kind of a requirement to > be able to step though the updates one by one. In this case, you need to be able to observe a difference between a problem caused by a particular update and a problem caused by an incomplete update. The key is to understand the order and the interconnections of updates involved in a freebsd-update step. But in general your idea and approach is correct. It's just the question if freebsd-update is the right tool to solve this problem, or if working with source patches is more efficient here. This of course depends on your requirements and workflow. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 02:09:52 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D3FA3BA6 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5EAE622 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:09:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D91CD253CC; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:09:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6A29nuB005965; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:09:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:09:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update Message-Id: <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:09:52 -0000 On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:05:07 -0400, Quartz wrote: > I should clarify: I know it's possible to do this by downloading the > patch/asc files and doing the whole make/install dance, but that > requires all the build tools to be installed which is awkward on > dedicated systems that need a small footprint. The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, installer, and make, which are all contained in the base distribution of the OS. However, resource limitations might be a problem - even though nobody admits this possibility today anymore. ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 02:13:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFACF3CCA for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F9C9990 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:13:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F2F43F723 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559F2A4C.7070509@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:13:32 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <20150710040626.6cdf28d2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150710040626.6cdf28d2.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:13:33 -0000 >> The main rationale here is that updates can occasionally cause behavior >> changes which can negatively interact with 3rd party software. > > This is correct, but so can selectively applying updates... FWIW, I'm not really too concerned with the ability to apply patches piecemeal. Applying them all in order is fine as long as it's one at a time. Although my last email used the example 'freebsd-update install patch_file', some flavor of 'freebsd-update install specific_date_or_revision' would work too for this case. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 02:22:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AAD3E61 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C02ABDCB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:22:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 773413F730; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:22:48 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:22:51 -0000 >> I should clarify: I know it's possible to do this by downloading the >> patch/asc files and doing the whole make/install dance, but that >> requires all the build tools to be installed which is awkward on >> dedicated systems that need a small footprint. > > The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except > they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). > A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, > installer, and make, which are all contained in the base distribution > of the OS. Wait.... isn't all the build stuff part of the 'src' option during install? If you unselect that, how does make/install apply patches if the files it's patching aren't there? >However, resource limitations might be a problem - even > though nobody admits this possibility today anymore. ;-) Not having to install that ~1G of stuff would help a lot on some systems, especially those booting off a small flash memory device. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 02:28:51 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB743F8B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF1EA123F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:28:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C1793F734 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559F2DE1.3010708@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:28:49 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <20150710040626.6cdf28d2.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2A4C.7070509@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <559F2A4C.7070509@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:28:52 -0000 >>> The main rationale here is that updates can occasionally cause behavior >>> changes which can negatively interact with 3rd party software. >> >> This is correct, but so can selectively applying updates... > > FWIW, I'm not really too concerned with the ability to apply patches > piecemeal. Applying them all in order is fine as long as it's one at a > time. Although my last email used the example 'freebsd-update install > patch_file', some flavor of 'freebsd-update install > specific_date_or_revision' would work too for this case. I guess part of it is that I'm slightly paranoid about patches against freebsd-update itself, and don't entirely trust it to apply those as early as possible. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 02:32:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ADBA9950DA for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D29CD1640 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A33C1251CB; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:32:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6A2WVi1006242; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:32:31 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:32:31 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update Message-Id: <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:32:34 -0000 On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:22:48 -0400, Quartz wrote: > > >> I should clarify: I know it's possible to do this by downloading the > >> patch/asc files and doing the whole make/install dance, but that > >> requires all the build tools to be installed which is awkward on > >> dedicated systems that need a small footprint. > > > > The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except > > they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). > > A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, > > installer, and make, which are all contained in the base distribution > > of the OS. > > Wait.... isn't all the build stuff part of the 'src' option during > install? No. The "src" distribution contains the sources which will be available in the /usr/src subtree. > If you unselect that, how does make/install apply patches if > the files it's patching aren't there? It doesn't do that, but the tools make, install, and patch themselves will be available. > >However, resource limitations might be a problem - even > > though nobody admits this possibility today anymore. ;-) > > Not having to install that ~1G of stuff would help a lot on some > systems, especially those booting off a small flash memory device. Has the source tree meanwhile grown to 1 GB in size? Regarding the development tools: They're mostly small binaries (where the justification of "small" depends on today's current hardware, of course) which cannot be de-selected during install. Looking at "man src.conf", I think you can't even de-select them during custom system builds. They are considered essential parts of the OS. Just imagine someone saying "I'm not going to copy any files, so /bin/cp can safely be removed!" and then wondering about the system behaving in strange ways... :-) Manually deleting stuff that is _not_ considered optional (by design) to the OS often is a bad idea. THe parts that you can individually tune can be derived from make.conf and src.conf. Of course I agree that there are legitimate reasons to use a computer which is not comparable to today's PC and server class hardware with plentycore CPUs, endless hard disks, 512 GB RAM, and a 10 Gbit Internet connection. And if you can omit something which is optional (by design) to help the system run better, faster, or more reliable, that's a valid consideration. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 02:57:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4A399551E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 877221E4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:57:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AA89D3F6DE; Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <559F3490.2050508@sneakertech.com> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:57:20 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 02:57:22 -0000 >>> The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except >>> they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). >>> A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, >>> installer, and make, which are all contained in the base distribution >>> of the OS. >> >> Wait.... isn't all the build stuff part of the 'src' option during >> install? > > No. The "src" distribution contains the sources which will > be available in the /usr/src subtree. > >> If you unselect that, how does make/install apply patches if >> the files it's patching aren't there? > > It doesn't do that, but the tools make, install, and patch > themselves will be available. I understand that the utils themselves are still installed regardless, but in order for the 'patch' command to have something to patch against, doesn't 'src' have to be installed also? Otherwise, are you saying that the sources to all the system bits are always installed? And if *that's* true... then what the heck is 'src' installing then? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 16:44:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 177A9997D37 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:44:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from BLU004-OMC4S14.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s14.hotmail.com [65.55.111.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.outlook.com", Issuer "MSIT Machine Auth CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3A151E38 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:44:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carmel_ny@outlook.com) Received: from BLU437-SMTP2 ([65.55.111.136]) by BLU004-OMC4S14.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:43:14 -0700 X-TMN: [d2NrV5iKOCE/HjkZfK64TK09wx5z//Vf] X-Originating-Email: [carmel_ny@outlook.com] Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:43:12 -0400 From: Carmel NY To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Jul 2015 16:43:14.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[83B8AE80:01D0BB2F] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:44:23 -0000 I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 16:49:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DA71997DD8 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from oneyou.mcmli.com (oneyou.mcmli.com [IPv6:2607:f2f8:af30::100]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "oneyou.mcmli.com", Issuer "RapidSSL SHA256 CA - G3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32B901F8A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:49:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from the.lists@mgm51.com) Received: from sentry.24cl.com (sentry.24cl.com [IPv6:2001:558:6017:a2:c48f:b89e:4255:ea63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "sentry.24cl.com", Issuer "Mike's Certificate Authority" (verified OK)) by oneyou.mcmli.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3mSgLf5ms1zBt8m for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:48:58 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mgm51.com; s=mgm51-02; t=1436546938; bh=s1E/viyW/CtCxNcoW5j6NhdpRUUPnJSvPLb5zYRBHXY=; h=Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date; b=DJyUlIrDAQG09IV9QG7hQo4aLuorFQ7HIMZJ3NUw6lvtZVrYMsYq2XCSDlYx1OeFt tXyLi5lkpiiSDGep4Tk3NEm4eEg/B+EGb349nJjI7cGCxqLdIEU2w+pOdhZAFMoc+a 4cTIdhpTrUb0aaVwMpL8tpVl5lXg0YShe/2V6RIW+IDVFbMkH3niMycQQpANY5ZA9y Cw+x6Q69UUj/OhGQ3q25HNr6dSKnj9xBbH+GnEIwq/+lLBvacmP75VGfJSuyYoE58N lWdhfL0TvXRjFTQCs0Tz2usTzvNAkYQb0/xDHph8Z5ClH+fzvA0UiUG3b4p9X4/+BK cL5By2CixMo3g== Received: from [IPv6:fdcf:b715:2f4d:1:4d87:cd09:1b58:31c9] (unknown [IPv6:fdcf:b715:2f4d:1:4d87:cd09:1b58:31c9]) by sentry.24cl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3mSgLd2gSNz1nYR for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Mike Message-ID: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:48:53 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:49:00 -0000 On 7/10/2015 12:43 PM, Carmel NY wrote: > I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? > > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 Probably is related to: http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150603090420 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 17:47:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00C138E1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE8F1C98 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id B03D6CB8CB5; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:25:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:25:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:25:47 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:47:34 -0000 On Fri, July 10, 2015 11:48 am, Mike wrote: > On 7/10/2015 12:43 PM, Carmel NY wrote: >> I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? >> >> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 > > > > Probably is related to: > > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150603090420 > With all my scepticism I would more consider that as an excuse, implying the reason may be something like this: http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack (I didn't say exactly this, I said something like this...) So, I'm actually quite happy they didn't choose FreeBSD ;-) Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 18:00:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A838B3A80 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 711991DD for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:00:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by iecuq6 with SMTP id uq6so201288865iec.2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Sm4YHybzyaPwrjHq54HwAu+Ugo574dPMHKv7BbqfHfQ=; b=opQHTI8xcTA86Am594I3brhcLV5tnVXOvafZmyEKcidqoI3dpHBsgB3HudMhYhUujG lhwPbg435dvhTuMtQmVaIA8v0IWQ8ylzcsGSWcJb16GfwxJa1BGog45sU4ixAMva0ZdL qNQrx6nQDPUwW59dagmJNb/Na2k1mbFDnAGaJFm2g1LxadziF+5kd7Z722ro8z5Q/uWo q4SNOHrGo22AT21OoJtosBkP/Ch96O3Q6C4b4dI5HUp7jSFW+/ZHzvaJBmpBKLyk7Ttn L5IZJfRnYTY+u9xWOWAK/o48+xuQw6TxklfS2S3Fz+gD2qpMI2dxFvoOIps6Qnu8OhxZ zKJw== X-Received: by 10.107.12.82 with SMTP id w79mr6897639ioi.171.1436551200873; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id v3sm54405igk.1.2015.07.10.10.59.59 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A0081E.4010609@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:59:58 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:00:01 -0000 On 07/10/2015 11:25 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Fri, July 10, 2015 11:48 am, Mike wrote: >> On 7/10/2015 12:43 PM, Carmel NY wrote: >>> I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? >>> >>> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 >> >> >> Probably is related to: >> >> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150603090420 >> > With all my scepticism I would more consider that as an excuse, implying > the reason may be something like this: > > http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack > > (I didn't say exactly this, I said something like this...) So, I'm > actually quite happy they didn't choose FreeBSD ;-) > > Valeri Valerie, why can't you call a stinky fish "a stinky fish" :) :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 18:03:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3913F3BC2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:03:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: from mail-qk0-x230.google.com (mail-qk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4BA97B2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:03:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jerry@seibercom.net) Received: by qkcl188 with SMTP id l188so28743394qkc.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=seibercom.net; s=google; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:reply-to :organization:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=D2O/6pdx0NUs/hakc9ayALTpdzvuVjaglLbnVR5liww=; b=ph6DkYfKDwSsRvMGN7jM8JLf3WXhW31UYoAiJA2c5z0e187mIeDxyIWhMo+ELNx1n0 +HECnEry9MI6Z5N/Zxqg1cjg39aRG9VmWEakfi3AiIZjpf2P7WlTYVmT2MMFAXY5Fs+j 2yZfAPeGlfamhLjli/9OJJW+FiRKivp9L4bno= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:reply-to:organization:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=D2O/6pdx0NUs/hakc9ayALTpdzvuVjaglLbnVR5liww=; b=K7599H2JVjkcVgykfVtLUCzfoLkOttOTeggUcaUN7UK/HQrzsxkALOqQdqkYXYKRVL zfiosZ5xNJk3zlHDdaqucpr1/J7KVhdG1exwvWC/JJD8jLHUhBi0SQsEKdYW6quy9e2P gI9wAAJO40WgCoC9LUXYDrdbNgoyg1QOo/5bqUTAxVcoCMlDllH+LUaK79AqptfRdCAJ wOU1+i6j2Amw6pna8QKXEHcw3cGKn0i9jMieNy+2d90gsgRp44J+u8pfkzJYplFc/6uO qTdtWazW4zxhdo1zG+JYNL1sX3Jc8HqWn3Lj4gU538Rmpi6FxAVKFXXN24hiV7ADjU+g L0fg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm6Dlr0yaDVNvvvEhU2gGjtxKblG5n4OFSWKA7+ilAGhfeOCYWf90aBdTeGm/erxTU3yp67 X-Received: by 10.140.38.69 with SMTP id s63mr34844335qgs.10.1436551406663; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (cpe-174-109-28-112.nc.res.rr.com. [174.109.28.112]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h3sm6156091qgh.22.2015.07.10.11.03.26 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3mSj0Y1TkWz3DljQ for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:03:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.7 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:03:24 -0400 From: Jerry To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor Message-ID: <20150710140324.362fd648@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: FreeBSD FreeBSD Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:03:28 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:25:47 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev stated: > On Fri, July 10, 2015 11:48 am, Mike wrote: > > On 7/10/2015 12:43 PM, Carmel NY wrote: > >> I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? > >> > >> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 > > > > Probably is related to: > > > > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150603090420 > > With all my scepticism I would more consider that as an excuse, implying > the reason may be something like this: > > http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack > > (I didn't say exactly this, I said something like this...) So, I'm > actually quite happy they didn't choose FreeBSD ;-) Sorry but that is impossible. Many eyes makes FOSS software invulnerable to this sort of attack? Or, at least that is what fools like to believe. Say any lie enough times and some moron will believe it. -- Jerry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 18:18:15 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B466A3E7B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C22F6C for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:18:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id BA6B4CB8CB3; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:18:14 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:18:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <25235.128.135.70.2.1436552294.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <20150710140324.362fd648@seibercom.net> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150710140324.362fd648@seibercom.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:18:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "FreeBSD FreeBSD" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:18:15 -0000 On Fri, July 10, 2015 1:03 pm, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:25:47 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev stated: > >> On Fri, July 10, 2015 11:48 am, Mike wrote: >> > On 7/10/2015 12:43 PM, Carmel NY wrote: >> >> I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? >> >> >> >> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 >> > >> > Probably is related to: >> > >> > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150603090420 >> >> With all my scepticism I would more consider that as an excuse, implying >> the reason may be something like this: >> >> http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack >> >> (I didn't say exactly this, I said something like this...) So, I'm >> actually quite happy they didn't choose FreeBSD ;-) > > > Sorry but that is impossible. Many eyes makes FOSS software invulnerable > to > this sort of attack? Or, at least that is what fools like to believe. Say > any > lie enough times and some moron will believe it. > Yes I am a "moron" (at least on this instance), and do not take it as an offense, rather as a reciting of fact ;-) And the reason I steered away from OpenBSD towards FreeBSD was quite benign, and it was sooo long ago, so there was no speculation of any sort about any one of these two systems. It is probably bad that I feel happy about the fact they didn't choose FreeBSD, as FreeBSD team more than deserves monetary support... Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 18:23:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8433FD7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x230.google.com (mail-ig0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 978BE149A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:23:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by iggp10 with SMTP id p10so40824694igg.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:23:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lEGzVR/p1dgYcjacrkaBe0A5Cr7bx4MqDhd0fAZ09Ms=; b=saKFb/+c+YbrzwYW+bpEDPCXBJjPDWbxdK3f2w0r4qMKBu9GoXkYWGej81HyJccvcL YPz8BAepnPHlUf6ZsLPFpSxX7X0LMlocbgCHWLrp+L8A7V1otwN0T+39aJOfBNn2gC1x FRGZai4LMB3gzgoZ61pmZcIB40Ykctw/04zbqWWNT1TO5n9ceKiQWexf4TsbSKT+U1qf qu7empsIE9XWa8MkFB+QfdTI5p/ukLL1ea9LgDrdDC3UxcQSxvEL28d8HUp9a8Ay/9xu 6/RmjB7ArBoHsQ4RM5TY6knS7S+QVb2pxMahePuANwlsODeGvidMHuYio8OOqowRiPos XMlA== X-Received: by 10.107.31.134 with SMTP id f128mr34451240iof.19.1436552626933; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id y98sm6979189ioi.25.2015.07.10.11.23.45 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A00DA7.4000902@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:23:35 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150710140324.362fd648@seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: <20150710140324.362fd648@seibercom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:23:48 -0000 On 07/10/2015 12:03 PM, Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:25:47 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev stated: > >> On Fri, July 10, 2015 11:48 am, Mike wrote: >>> On 7/10/2015 12:43 PM, Carmel NY wrote: >>>> I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? >>>> >>>> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 >>> Probably is related to: >>> >>> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150603090420 >> With all my scepticism I would more consider that as an excuse, implying >> the reason may be something like this: >> >> http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack >> >> (I didn't say exactly this, I said something like this...) So, I'm >> actually quite happy they didn't choose FreeBSD ;-) > > Sorry but that is impossible. Many eyes makes FOSS software invulnerable to > this sort of attack? Or, at least that is what fools like to believe. Say any > lie enough times and some moron will believe it. > +1 The fact is that there are NOT that many "expert and fully knowledgeable" eyes reviewing open source. The sheer volume of open source makes that task virtually impossible. Most reviewers have real jobs to pay the bills. They would not have the bandwidth to review so much code (kernel, compilers, assembler, compiler libraries, apps and their libraries). Add to all this, JAVA and all of it's components and variants. The volume is just to damned huge. Sometimes, "certain interests" insert into the distribution "malcode" without any peer review; and if there is peer review, then the "nay saying" reviewers are either dissed, called names or simply censored, so no ones knows about their objections. With the passage of time, the malcode is fully established and propagated and forgotten about. A friend of mine said "In the Kali Yuga (The Age of Darkness), all hell breaks loose upon the earth)". From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 18:30:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41F976FC for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com (mail-ie0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D88D1690 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:30:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by iebmu5 with SMTP id mu5so201161559ieb.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=97/SC37yr1J1di1OQ65Ywq5YHxZfTRtZ2ILAv1bSpEw=; b=x7FEmfOL4hp+lFQLVfol4kjWeDyajGtr9Z83Ck8u1QGMJ/zdK2EYh5/+zc7uckIa7f neiIceY4cBytQyjTa2jwx+EMP+GZM2FsqbpK07wqmDZ3rxz1J+WRN7xNkVkH/V3KMMkv u4x8859fVzzip3km9LUuEkdfHVc+7hqmyWjMfx6YWo79WNDbhzc2s/7ImTVjXmWJ2qOf AwtAhWy4rBj2RX66FJiB9TQhfN1ZGOGxkmUhyudFp5AzgS/JFlXlFiqCPE6LZRdIzabO +QBhlL6ooGyAeRd04mDXWPZQZBkNJY42YDTZsEZng5FB4YkdJk9JuAU/ovWVGxsDQu7U sltg== X-Received: by 10.50.64.244 with SMTP id r20mr182199igs.33.1436553028949; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id n30sm6977064ioi.38.2015.07.10.11.30.28 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:30:27 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:30:29 -0000 On 07/10/2015 11:25 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > On Fri, July 10, 2015 11:48 am, Mike wrote: >> On 7/10/2015 12:43 PM, Carmel NY wrote: >>> I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? >>> >>> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 >> >> >> Probably is related to: >> >> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150603090420 >> > With all my scepticism I would more consider that as an excuse, implying > the reason may be something like this: > > http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack > > (I didn't say exactly this, I said something like this...) So, I'm > actually quite happy they didn't choose FreeBSD ;-) > > Valeri A friend of mine commented about this to me: "They (i.e. the fed, via MS) also bought their way into Cyanogen. Not sure what their plans are here, but BSD or Apache licensed software is a good fit for the classic "embrace, extend, extinguish" strategy /(of MS)//---Italics mine-JD// /// OpenBSD has been hurting for money so it is possible that MS feels that a small strategic cash infusion buys them assets and/or goodwill they can use against their bigger competitors: Linux, Google, etc. $25k-50k is a rounding error for MS (and even for BRCM). I've always wondered whether consumer hardware / embedded devices would start migrating over to BSD, since GPL compliance is such a hassle for many vendors. Obviously Android went this way several years ago." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 18:33:05 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5A937753 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexmiroslav@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x243.google.com (mail-wg0-x243.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::243]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73BEB1A99 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:33:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alexmiroslav@gmail.com) Received: by wgwk7 with SMTP id k7so24702865wgw.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=htpv4HvOVFfOFEkiLO1DGVUU2tz2CD3IdIqpkJ0/xWM=; b=Vac2ucvjMnP4ChhyW+qnJIWpGyCShuQ9QC5BV4VfgnCe3zhvXP0sSrWiLhMt4Fdyoc +ztP8RE4AiA+nyjd8pvro2nz94/09t92cDWdpNqQkhJbJZxi0JS+K785L/OUkM0o/w/E noGKM3rl/xRYpvAJGTyQkJ2ZlZPi8hK9BhSvaZ55+9DaJdqlKJJTsQBe1MWCkfpJG04T b763lqwRSVmkPjKz0RRgIH7NUc5NOpnYsDwKjFl2jedfkWcPc7BvHump5d2ur0qMN8bj RKTZvHT1uU+Fxg9AT2K27GnJbKz20G1FplJ3NB/g78LoSAZ9jIzBMh8NjToDhmjh//Z+ SGCQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.91.76 with SMTP id cc12mr314688wib.67.1436553183963; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.170.83 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:33:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:33:03 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: ZFS: zdev names don't match devices From: Aleksandr Miroslav To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:33:06 -0000 New to ZFS. I have two disks on my server, ad0, and ada1. This is what dmesg calls them, and this is how they were referred to in bsdinstall. I installed 10.1 with zfs-on-root, and setup a mirrored zpool. However, when I run zpool status, these disks are called something else: gpt/zfs0 and diskid/DISK-Z1E08JB5p3. This may have been because the ran the install more than once. Did I screw up my zfs setup? Why do the vdevs have these names? Can/Should I rename them? How do I map these vdev names back to my disks? (i.e. which one is ada0 and which one is ada1?) Can zfs show me detailed info on these vdevs? Here is the full output of zpool status: $ zpool status pool: zroot state: ONLINE scan: scrub repaired 0 in 0h0m with 0 errors on Thu Jul 9 15:45:02 2015 config: NAME STATE READ WRITE CKSUM zroot ONLINE 0 0 0 mirror-0 ONLINE 0 0 0 gpt/zfs0 ONLINE 0 0 0 diskid/DISK-Z1E08JB5p3 ONLINE 0 0 0 errors: No known data errors Have I done something wrong in setting this machine up? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 19:09:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F67A9972E4 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:09:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17DC2D0E for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:09:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BB5D3CE90; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:08:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6AJ8oxl002022; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:08:50 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:08:50 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update Message-Id: <20150710210850.a5194abe.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <559F3490.2050508@sneakertech.com> References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F3490.2050508@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:09:01 -0000 On Thu, 09 Jul 2015 22:57:20 -0400, Quartz wrote: > >>> The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except > >>> they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). > >>> A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, > >>> installer, and make, which are all contained in the base distribution > >>> of the OS. > >> > >> Wait.... isn't all the build stuff part of the 'src' option during > >> install? > > > > No. The "src" distribution contains the sources which will > > be available in the /usr/src subtree. > > > >> If you unselect that, how does make/install apply patches if > >> the files it's patching aren't there? > > > > It doesn't do that, but the tools make, install, and patch > > themselves will be available. > > I understand that the utils themselves are still installed regardless, > but in order for the 'patch' command to have something to patch against, > doesn't 'src' have to be installed also? Yes, /usr/src _has to be_ present - either by installing src.txz, as a result of freebsd-update's component src, or via SVN checkout. The process then involves building from source of course. This is the most transparent way to deal with updates. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 19:24:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0458399772B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:24:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5C45132 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:24:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 66CC93CE73; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:24:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6AJOuCF002067; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:24:56 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:24:56 +0200 From: Polytropon To: jd1008 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor Message-Id: <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:24:59 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:30:27 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > A friend of mine commented about this to me: > > "[...] > I've always wondered whether consumer hardware / embedded devices would > start migrating over to BSD, since GPL compliance is such a hassle for > many vendors. Obviously Android went this way several years ago." Due to the licensing terms of the BSDL, we will never really find out how many embedded devices (routers, home alarm systems, crypto applicances, entertainment solutions and so on) already contain a BSD operating system at their heart. The vendor is not forced to tell anyone that they're using a BSD, and they do not make their source code public. It can therefore contain backdoors, spyware, and other means of invading user privacy. Unlike the GPL which somewhat requires "contributing back", the BSDL does not do so. So it's a perfectly viable basis for building a closed-source product that caters the government, the security organisations and the "market" more than its buyers and users. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 20:11:41 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA98997F22 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from plane.gmane.org (plane.gmane.org [80.91.229.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E36801BA1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions@m.gmane.org) Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDee0-0005Vi-3a for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:11:36 +0200 Received: from 5e1bbe3e.mobile.pool.telekom.hu ([94.27.190.62]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:11:36 +0200 Received: from leventelist by 5e1bbe3e.mobile.pool.telekom.hu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:11:36 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Lev Subject: pkg vs. port tree install Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:11:29 +0200 Lines: 8 Message-ID: <20150710221129.639305cd@jive.levalinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 5e1bbe3e.mobile.pool.telekom.hu X-Newsreader: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:11:41 -0000 T2theS4gT3RoZXIgcGFja2FnZSByZWxhdGVkIHF1ZXN0aW9uLg0KDQpJIGluc3RhbGxlZCBnaXQg ZnJvbSB0aGUgcG9ydHMgdHJlZSwgdG8gZ2V0IGdpdCBndWkgYW5kIGdpdGsuDQoNCkhvd2V2ZXIs IHdoZW4gSSB1cGdyYWRlIG15IGJpbmFyeSBwYWNrYWdlcywgcGtnIHdhbnRzIHRvIHJlaW5zdGFs bCBnaXQNCmZyb20gdGhlIGJpbmFyeSBwYWNrYWdlLCBhZnRlciBkb2luZyBpdCBJIGxvc2UgZ2l0 ay4NCg0KZ2l0LTIuNC41XzEgKG9wdGlvbnMgY2hhbmdlZCkNCg0KSXMgdGhpcyB0aGUgaW50ZW50 aW9uYWw/DQoNClRoYW5rcywNCkxldg0KDQotLSANCjczIGRlIEhBNU9HTA0KT3AuOiBMZXZlbnRl DQo= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 20:16:43 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C058997FCB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:16:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youvegotmoxie@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pa0-x229.google.com (mail-pa0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E29BE1D76 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:16:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from youvegotmoxie@gmail.com) Received: by padck2 with SMTP id ck2so8779773pad.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=ZvvONX9HZUO96Cg1S+JbNaZl1g/f1Cjg/jDh/nCaQJ0=; b=vJTncWYEgEqolIm+SVZVt/GvWQduPmH4YJXZgpNFSQaZ8EOSPdwhtnjvuHW9iDwCyB zbePMqiPru8dfUFd0N9EYiKPpTehoaMiUVPMMLS2z/byjImYydaIGV//KflgR1TWgP0u ZYPaw0dYkr1Vf+7Du2HXUTq7Y1B+piSDEXfMPGXRcKblz5GjExa3N+3Zdx7K6AyqpI8P IJzz72/jNEcuJtGHXf2DkIDSRuNrnNSpEmrPqXKPFBzCjFbnLD2LpWd4vNkjUzeN/dQR ixAAEXmdUdYcxOtn2SmIp72bfUcLvWgk/G8invdW/vgAKzGBqvSXck/var22qA6iDp7h LVQg== X-Received: by 10.68.179.36 with SMTP id dd4mr9018166pbc.11.1436559402440; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from snafu-mac.servebeer.info (75-106-131-140.cust.wildblue.net. [75.106.131.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c6sm10535562pas.39.2015.07.10.13.16.33 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) Subject: Re: pkg vs. port tree install From: Michael Beasley In-Reply-To: <20150710221129.639305cd@jive.levalinux.org> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:16:23 -0400 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2CB4AE70-4B6F-42EF-9D0B-28FE673E37F4@gmail.com> References: <20150710221129.639305cd@jive.levalinux.org> To: Lev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:16:43 -0000 > On Jul 10, 2015, at 4:11 PM, Lev wrote: >=20 > Okay. Other package related question. >=20 > I installed git from the ports tree, to get git gui and gitk. >=20 > However, when I upgrade my binary packages, pkg wants to reinstall git > from the binary package, after doing it I lose gitk. >=20 > git-2.4.5_1 (options changed) >=20 > Is this the intentional? >=20 > Thanks, > Lev >=20 > --=20 > 73 de HA5OGL > Op.: Levente > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org=E2=80=9D It is intentional, the options the binary is packaged with are different = than the ones you built the package with. Look into poudriere if you = want to keep a local repository of packages with custom build options. -Mike= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 20:22:25 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7F49971E8 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:22:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 315CC1FD for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:22:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C41FA249AF; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6AKMJEF002231; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:22:19 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:22:19 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg vs. port tree install Message-Id: <20150710222219.c285e959.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150710221129.639305cd@jive.levalinux.org> References: <20150710221129.639305cd@jive.levalinux.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:22:25 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:11:29 +0200, Lev wrote: > I installed git from the ports tree, to get git gui and gitk. > > However, when I upgrade my binary packages, pkg wants to reinstall git > from the binary package, after doing it I lose gitk. > > git-2.4.5_1 (options changed) > > Is this the intentional? Yes. The binary packages that pkg will use for installing and updating are based on the _default_ compile time options set by the maintainer. If you chose to use different options and your package is "out of date", it will be updated with the current version, _missing_ your options. In order to avoid it, see "pkg lock" and "pkg unlock" to protect your ("custom") version of Git from being updated. To update it, update your /usr/ports tree and use the typical "make install" method (or for example portmaster, if you're using a port management tool). -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:39:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from chacha.levafreebsd.org (5E1BBE3E.mobile.pool.telekom.hu [94.27.190.62]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: levente@altanet.hu) by papyrus.altaweb.hu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9F824A0284 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:39:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jive.levalinux.org (jive.levalinux.org [192.168.1.1]) by chacha.levafreebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6C7EE9E9DC for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:42:27 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:42:27 +0200 From: Lev To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg vs. port tree install Message-ID: <20150710224227.61057aa0@jive.levalinux.org> In-Reply-To: <20150710222219.c285e959.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20150710221129.639305cd@jive.levalinux.org> <20150710222219.c285e959.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1 (GTK+ 2.24.27; amd64-portbld-freebsd10.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:50:53 -0000 T24gRnJpLCAxMCBKdWwgMjAxNSAyMjoyMjoxOSArMDIwMA0KUG9seXRyb3BvbiA8ZnJlZWJzZEBl ZHZheC5kZT4gd3JvdGU6DQoNCj4gSW4gb3JkZXIgdG8gYXZvaWQgaXQsIHNlZSAicGtnIGxvY2si IGFuZCAicGtnIHVubG9jayIgdG8NCj4gcHJvdGVjdCB5b3VyICgiY3VzdG9tIikgdmVyc2lvbiBv ZiBHaXQgZnJvbSBiZWluZyB1cGRhdGVkLg0KPiBUbyB1cGRhdGUgaXQsIHVwZGF0ZSB5b3VyIC91 c3IvcG9ydHMgdHJlZSBhbmQgdXNlIHRoZSB0eXBpY2FsDQo+ICJtYWtlIGluc3RhbGwiIG1ldGhv ZCAob3IgZm9yIGV4YW1wbGUgcG9ydG1hc3RlciwgaWYgeW91J3JlDQo+IHVzaW5nIGEgcG9ydCBt YW5hZ2VtZW50IHRvb2wpLg0KDQpPa2F5LiBUaGFua3MuDQoNCkp1c3QgY3VyaW91cy4uLiB3aHkg dGhlIGdpdCBwYWNrYWdlIGRvZXNuJ3QgaW5zdGFsbCBnaXQtZ3VpIGFuZCBnaXRrPw0KDQpMZXYN Cg0KLS0gDQo3MyBkZSBIQTVPR0wNCk9wLjogTGV2ZW50ZQ0K From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 21:02:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B6E997838 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:02:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D85911296 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:02:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 112B824EF4; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:02:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6AL2Srk002355; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:02:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:02:28 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lev Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: pkg vs. port tree install Message-Id: <20150710230228.e5af6a3c.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150710224227.61057aa0@jive.levalinux.org> References: <20150710221129.639305cd@jive.levalinux.org> <20150710222219.c285e959.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150710224227.61057aa0@jive.levalinux.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:02:31 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:42:27 +0200, Lev wrote: > Just curious... why the git package doesn't install git-gui and gitk? Because the port maintainer who sets the default options decided that this is not a good idea. :-) In many cases, users seem to prefer the command-line git. When you add git-gui and gitk, both compile-time and run-time dependencies will increase. X will be required, along with many many libraries (due to the many involved levels of abstraction and dependendy). So the package is a "functional minimum", not a "possible maximum". Users who wish to extend the functionality can easily do so by building from source. However, pkg will probably soon find a way to deal with this: "package flavors", where you can chose a precompiled binary package depending on options. This is interesting. If you have n options, you'd need 2^n packages... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:29:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q16sm393744igr.12.2015.07.10.14.29.53 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:29:52 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Users Subject: Building TB from source code Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:29:55 -0000 Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. Too many for me to recall. Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 21:30:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1885997D0B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x22c.google.com (mail-ig0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB1F9164D for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:30:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from m.e.sanliturk@gmail.com) Received: by igoe12 with SMTP id e12so43787156igo.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vSliaA5S9PYmYgUXOsdBrdtSVXIT8IMCSQNRERAk/Po=; b=X/cw75atAnBT4Cq/QyyJhSLnTupgKCpq/JsOM4gLSuL1rD8ydRlQDddHQpS6ah+/nw fnZARxjyOOnWycNrDvSWazh6q0gWcbEsWRXl0aPbCMUZZHxuKJiy7d5mUCd1UwMx1hJq 33d6ujR8+Be0N9hbaigACso71C12vK2tFGZwD9XtsR5bjYqsnFuelmUGSHYsspxg6obS g+xfLQiuAKSGD0VL+vgjyCyAaR6N0WaICtJwI1irXRPAPktPW0/FN+rORA6hyZPLnp/4 xPFfWxBO9fhPQdemSoP/SCYeKLshirwfthLms7ON2kcpGS08nLhtCOjHkPxhX6PM7pX3 u6zg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.169.16 with SMTP id s16mr32729594ioe.74.1436563821245; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.15.33 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor From: Mehmet Erol Sanliturk To: Polytropon Cc: jd1008 , FreeBSD Questions Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:30:22 -0000 On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Polytropon wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:30:27 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > > A friend of mine commented about this to me: > > > > "[...] > > I've always wondered whether consumer hardware / embedded devices would > > start migrating over to BSD, since GPL compliance is such a hassle for > > many vendors. Obviously Android went this way several years ago." > > Due to the licensing terms of the BSDL, we will never really > find out how many embedded devices (routers, home alarm systems, > crypto applicances, entertainment solutions and so on) already > contain a BSD operating system at their heart. The vendor is > not forced to tell anyone that they're using a BSD, and they > do not make their source code public. It can therefore contain > backdoors, spyware, and other means of invading user privacy. > Unlike the GPL which somewhat requires "contributing back", > the BSDL does not do so. So it's a perfectly viable basis for > building a closed-source product that caters the government, > the security organisations and the "market" more than its > buyers and users. > > > -- > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > > Is there a "Natural Law" that enforces to supply "equivalent" "source code" and "machine code" for copy - left licensed software ? Who can "prove" that the supplied "source code" is "different" from the supplied "machine code" ? This is an "Undecidable" problem which is "Turing's Halting Problem" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem in a form to try to prove that two "programs" are equivalent or not ( they pass the same execution points or not ) . This means that , claiming that "copy-left licensed software is more secure than permissive licensed software" is a groundless and incorrect claim . Thank you very much . Mehmet Erol Sanliturk From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 21:48:42 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94510997035 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74A511DB5 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:48:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 955483F8CD; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55A03DB2.3020407@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:48:34 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aleksandr Miroslav CC: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS: zdev names don't match devices References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:48:42 -0000 >Did I screw > up my zfs setup? No. This is a quirk of the way the 10.x installer/ZFS works. There are a handful of different ways to identify a disk on FreeBSD besides the device ID, including UUIDs and gpt labels and such. Device IDs will change if you ever add/remove/reorder the physical drives, so the installer uses the other methods to be safer. I don't know why it uses a mix instead of doing the same thing for each drive though. >Why do the vdevs have these names? > How do I map these vdev names back to my disks? I think you're confused about what a vdev is. "vdev" is shorthand for 'virtual device'. Disks (or partitions, or files) are grouped into a vdev, and the vdevs are then striped together to form your pool. A vdev doesn't have a "name", just a type (ie; mirror/raid/etc). The block devices that the vdevs are composed of are what can have names. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 21:51:48 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F349971BB for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71BCB189 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 31EED3F86A; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55A03E72.3010703@sneakertech.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:51:46 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F3490.2050508@sneakertech.com> <20150710210850.a5194abe.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150710210850.a5194abe.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 21:51:48 -0000 >>>>> The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except >>>>> they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). >>>>> A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, >>>>> installer, and make, which are all contained in the base distribution >>>>> of the OS. >>>> >>>> Wait.... isn't all the build stuff part of the 'src' option during >>>> install? >>> >>> No. The "src" distribution contains the sources which will >>> be available in the /usr/src subtree. >>> >>>> If you unselect that, how does make/install apply patches if >>>> the files it's patching aren't there? >>> >>> It doesn't do that, but the tools make, install, and patch >>> themselves will be available. >> >> I understand that the utils themselves are still installed regardless, >> but in order for the 'patch' command to have something to patch against, >> doesn't 'src' have to be installed also? > > Yes, /usr/src _has to be_ present - either by installing src.txz, > as a result of freebsd-update's component src, or via SVN checkout. > The process then involves building from source of course. This is > the most transparent way to deal with updates. > I'm still confused here. I was under the impression that if I ever wanted to be able to update the system via patches, I had to leave the 'src' option selected during install. Are you saying that is or is not true? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:08:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C86997320 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D304481A for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:08:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-207-98-175-216.knology.net [207.98.175.216] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t6AM8PqU017047 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:08:28 -0500 Message-ID: <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:14:30 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Users Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:08:38 -0000 On 07/10/15 16:36, jd1008 wrote: > Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? > Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions > of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. > Too many for me to recall. > > Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. > > I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been > so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Why do you want to build it from source ? I did that w/ Iceweb (sp?) last August when I was trying to get this box running, took 5+ hours. 2 weeks later did a pkg upgrade, took 30 sec. .... I've been on pkg ever since (except for flash support, but no problema w/ that). -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:09:28 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0629499734F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:09:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm2-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm2-vm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.86]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54B6B8AE for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:09:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1436565952; bh=8/WfB1gpOKbCGSlSorFPYb3PlmI4GT7vLlwTXtFATKc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=BdvjbSLC4ka+lyoRzGArtrWId6yjbFy2Lzbd0WL6RuZKvZQwbBqKewOXJ9P+ap1hMFpuccYsORo0zUQ2iyyWBj8ycsIKbM22hBdK1p7zTSyaQ7oE/X79FZa5n3pKzDbDzlIJpT9QMdQZr+tp1cK4TojYKde8ecvRkdgqNi5DqCXnUmFVSrXcZryVWdnAL3GCPfEr98kkUgLCN3jfq+0WpZq6a5t9lswDLZJ/UoyyRTtLO5J0Bu4aXuC6kDB8XKqnpKGgawipDt9LYUlLj9oGoCq59Yg9H5nubDrmfC5GR33+65BJ3pG5nGiju9ML6Nj1gsn9Kj4mm2vqAADtMpn76Q== Received: from [212.82.98.55] by nm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:05:52 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.75] by tm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:05:52 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:05:52 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 227988.44257.bm@smtp112.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: PNmSILsVM1lwYxqxR7y2yqpANwXLDXpOdnzq3NfzwSy.QtD TV8fJXk_wXC4p7De1FIFYxxZH6OA6z7yHAIN6ZHkRED_az.hjjdUEEQ2yX6N rR5MD5O07YfW2fXM29rUMDNO506bK4R4G_fv1.mFQp7qhTr1_sCHu7LVG46b odFsURPY0pSr8KhzzrhEAcE.tbLVCW7o2tOUKNzlzbFnvNh56BNMJP0uhMSy N.SPOdf06p4KD.SUxYanBuSseFzVuY7XHWyHlxKDFW5aVXpQgSVUlgBeUi33 LhJn1taB7c7JRJPMM_UChgSVkxDA8x3ZVPpci7EAzKIENORMjroLuB27vmzi SfRyAGnq4pfwXXY57OW.AswPhhNyKFjjgES7pcupiG_VM84HG8MUJ5dTxne5 _0sRgLCySe44FWzDvA4S0ZAQ7Ptr4AZQu9k4K9IN_17ZTr4aNjutPDdHFFii bKCP7ooLtLYS2TM0iRGEA9YnAf93g8VisZJaot1pTq7vDS1l8F8Mn74HqWwm GUQktIPzDJU2BPFdZctosEQe6RGITU5_Xz6cwLdVN3bZefodRS0DpQxJmeZ3 bSvP7sw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:05:51 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor Message-ID: <20150711000551.414cfc4b@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-163-ga98ae44 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:09:28 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >This means that , claiming that "copy-left licensed software is more >secure than permissive licensed software" is a groundless and >incorrect claim . I agree, but there is a valid claim that doesn't depend on the chossen free license. This one: A non-restrictive, open source OS is more secure than a restricted OS. But even for non-restrictive, open source operating systems there are differences. It has less to do with the chosen system or license, BSD, GNU/Linux or what ever, but with the policy. A FreeBSD or Arch Linux or Linux from scratch user will set up the install, the user has much control over the install. An Ubuntu Linux flavour user installs an environment that works out of the box, so there is less control and it already leads to issues. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do Today I started a discussion on several Linux mailing lists after a Xubuntu user reported that the root password is required, when bug report pop up windows ask to generate and send a bug report. IOW there are two approaches, the approach from restricted OSes, that is used by some OOTB non-restricted open source OSes too, that usually claim to be user-friendly and the "real" non-restricted open source user-centric approach. The non-restricted open source user-centric approach is more secure. The approach has less to do with the chosen OS or used free license. 2 Cents, Ralf From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:12:54 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5ADA9974D7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from cosmo.uchicago.edu (cosmo.uchicago.edu [128.135.70.90]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F44FC8D for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:12:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: by cosmo.uchicago.edu (Postfix, from userid 48) id 67E93CB8CB3; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: from 128.135.70.2 (SquirrelMail authenticated user valeri) by cosmo.uchicago.edu with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <33905.128.135.70.2.1436566373.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update From: "Valeri Galtsev" To: "FreeBSD questions" Reply-To: galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.8-5.el5.centos.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F3490.2050508@sneakertech.com> <20150710210850.a5194abe.freebsd@edvax.de> <55A03E72.3010703@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <55A03E72.3010703@sneakertech.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:12:55 -0000 On Fri, July 10, 2015 4:51 pm, Quartz wrote: >>>>>> The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). >>>>>> A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, installer, and make, which are all contained in the base >>>>>> distribution >>>>>> of the OS. >>>>> Wait.... isn't all the build stuff part of the 'src' option during install? >>>> No. The "src" distribution contains the sources which will >>>> be available in the /usr/src subtree. >>>>> If you unselect that, how does make/install apply patches if the files it's patching aren't there? >>>> It doesn't do that, but the tools make, install, and patch >>>> themselves will be available. >>> I understand that the utils themselves are still installed regardless, but in order for the 'patch' command to have something to patch against, >>> doesn't 'src' have to be installed also? >> Yes, /usr/src _has to be_ present - either by installing src.txz, as a result of freebsd-update's component src, or via SVN checkout. The process then involves building from source of course. This is the most transparent way to deal with updates. > > I'm still confused here. > > I was under the impression that if I ever wanted to be able to update the system via patches, I had to leave the 'src' option selected during install. Are you saying that is or is not true? > Patch is the way of making necessary change to source code. Say you changed the text (the code of your C program) then patch is effectively the difference between new program and old program (each of them is just and ASCII text). So now it should be straightforward. If you want to update your system using patches, you will need to have all sources. Once patch is released, you will need to apply it which effectively change patched programs from older version to new. After that you will have to recompile all what is relevant, and install it. As it was said, "svn checkout.." or "svn update..." will do the same good job as applying patches to the source tree, and it is more transparent way. Still recompiling and installing (and rebooting or restarting relevant daemons) will be necessary to complete the update. Valeri ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:16:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1DA997540 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x22a.google.com (mail-ie0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 28520D4D for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by iebmu5 with SMTP id mu5so204289599ieb.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:16:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rxZFxEqqf0bTgDn80E83fo7AXcboSIATbZgFo96o4SY=; b=Qh+w1jO0PI6DNUczb+i7C04FdGtPbOtXl6vBjcBZGFzP07j6NcBOH0FOweVXGNzFT3 aMZqFNUQSl2PTNLqCGRehJZyho5RH7li2QmMMYqMlhNoyql0Fu2xhPoTDqH45sb29QVr cRPxS1REYLFNsNfbKDXw/u0u5l3TZ7rXu5u+mQZGvM0coSttlG2nnq2iSXq0rxIOhEm2 FsZXAELlaaXhkdyJtmwl427Du5EN+rAbOekg+r7ixLbQlLVWp5sEYev69qHCf7ruYZUR aaEaacyWDduAeeXkvalp3xOof5e+sQ6lGeME5HW2qPOgfRnM09vg/hdI0iiG+I3bWdqq WmhQ== X-Received: by 10.107.169.10 with SMTP id s10mr6996318ioe.138.1436566586655; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e10sm472761igy.11.2015.07.10.15.16.25 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A04438.7080107@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:16:24 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> In-Reply-To: <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:16:27 -0000 On 07/10/2015 04:07 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: > On 07/10/15 16:36, jd1008 wrote: >> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? >> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions >> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. >> Too many for me to recall. >> >> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. >> >> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been >> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > > Why do you want to build it from source ? I did that w/ Iceweb (sp?) > last August when I was trying to get this box running, took 5+ hours. > 2 weeks later did a pkg upgrade, took 30 sec. .... I've been on pkg > ever since (except for flash support, but no problema w/ that). > Why must you ask "why" ? How about "Because I want to" :) :) I also want to do that for FF. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:18:47 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B492997601 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:18:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 595E3DF6 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:18:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1436566597; bh=PsVRnBY9z+12obPNwzLS8sw72qcV8C4Iz8cdgxZ+MW0=; h=Subject:From:To:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=YfwJ1DdR6DJDtJ9ZbLbKGS59s7nHOmwpyX9JSGanbWiZABEZ97t/i8ngodoEoFZyG550cbY9+MCAkg05PPuNNVtrF6+IQ38KtXao1wVnZ0ugZIrN/IbEBattiAAudaX0S5/OONlrPddz2qLs5KWKGJoy4bU4oQMwouWQ1VWsVtsDQ4B+ZpEup4V2KJjSs9SBF+YLLixRrexX54SQAcJ6L4+IOxYI6zho1J/sLSis+tbCrxzZWpKpGo0B5Oj85d6P85YiA1oZmIT3D3FM0BEJtP0vvdmmHfbDYf2h8XQKPoiEM6vardYeWv7z4VNXXvtP9Gb3tbz2JWfRh/RSOdAqbA== Received: from [212.82.98.124] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.66] by tm17.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:16:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:16:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 982423.47441.bm@smtp103.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: pAYoBlgVM1kIh75U9yKQ83KAaZecg5HBHa6cOB4hQ1YYE46 0TcHDMGhIF4SbgEbSPza2sM._KpEsk3X323iAuMlZ.KFtQegZkiVk5OfMPfd 1044QjeYYEQHTOlnmMQ1VRhTAtAOrRY2Efsilwbf.B_5QMSJOX39Od9FpQZT 4XBT2q9OKF_Y0nRc93zeDzS28n_mLYFaWGnLrcL8o5in3uvbjyiS2cGphAmC 3XSZJjII9FXYkZUZ0ER0K6anxHyJiSvLoyym8OjzqfjTA5cufmToGW4Ryy1. 1pmOE8n1UfbuAi.vV.qsbFIctTjOs80YZYkUoCwDmsS2PlqFUFeEbHjCzXd6 qWXKE.da2MUIo9dqFgazNgK4dT5.5F.jVx1_K3BPYBBD1rgGGophTs7cpomW .dkh.AOSGeiL5z5LxvCIcaEM9MGRW8swo2ou6VaeWTeI4qNjXsvYk41DJbrs m28IZoxAN2Iky1To2O5xOLrFZajb8g25t3L2Sn7sdTplIKcu_K5wjGgCka3B N.1mARCEksx0q1jayPHFvfRydcFF3PKXqd2ih5mhKOzOYCU9eJUPgkzFjjJI eVnA7Ww-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Message-ID: <1436566596.18451.17.camel@rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:16:36 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20150711000551.414cfc4b@archlinux> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150711000551.414cfc4b@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.16.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:18:47 -0000 On Sat, 2015-07-11 at 00:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: > > This means that , claiming that "copy-left licensed software is > > more > > secure than permissive licensed software" is a groundless and > > incorrect claim . > > I agree, but there is a valid claim that doesn't depend on the > chossen > free license. > > This one: > A non-restrictive, open source OS is more secure than a restricted > OS. > But even for non-restrictive, open source operating systems there > are > differences. It has less to do with the chosen system or license, > BSD, > GNU/Linux or what ever, but with the policy. > > A FreeBSD or Arch Linux or Linux from scratch user will set up the > install, the user has much control over the install. An Ubuntu Linux > flavour user installs an environment that works out of the box, so > there is less control and it already leads to issues. > > https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do > > Today I started a discussion on several Linux mailing lists after a > Xubuntu user reported that the root password is required, when bug > report pop up windows ask to generate and send a bug report. > > IOW there are two approaches, the approach from restricted OSes, that > is used by some OOTB non-restricted open source OSes too, that > usually > claim to be user-friendly and the "real" non-restricted open source > user-centric approach. > > The non-restricted open source user-centric approach is more secure. > The approach has less to do with the chosen OS or used free license. > > 2 Cents, > Ralf PS: IOW it doesn't matter if the thingy in your satellite receiver is GPLed or has got a BSD license, since it's a so called user-friendly approach thingy. You don't have any control over this thingy. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:25:34 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DC7997865 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4DE210B7 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-207-98-175-216.knology.net [207.98.175.216] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t6AMPV3c024267 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:25:32 -0500 Message-ID: <55A0464E.5010007@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:31:33 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> <55A04438.7080107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55A04438.7080107@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:25:34 -0000 On 07/10/15 17:22, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 07/10/2015 04:07 PM, William A. Mahaffey III wrote: >> On 07/10/15 16:36, jd1008 wrote: >>> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? >>> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions >>> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. >>> Too many for me to recall. >>> >>> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. >>> >>> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been >>> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. >> >> Why do you want to build it from source ? I did that w/ Iceweb (sp?) >> last August when I was trying to get this box running, took 5+ hours. >> 2 weeks later did a pkg upgrade, took 30 sec. .... I've been on pkg >> ever since (except for flash support, but no problema w/ that). >> > Why must you ask "why" ? > > How about "Because I want to" :) :) > > I also want to do that for FF. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > Sorry, just curious. I could imagine some good reasons, actually, optimizing for a particular gfx card, for example. I was just whining about the time involved for a large, complex recompile .... Carry on :-) !!!! -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:43:22 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A1F9997B97 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm21.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm21.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.96.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8699C192B for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:43:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1436568077; bh=OBCHxQigbetOAQw5Cnx0Gmo8vdcDfVwMhY312gRCZSM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=ZxxF5JshBIfF9BDu8e87g0HczrB2zFkVtnVSTX//Uv4xPYMz6mYqOvrTuJW7qSmXxvNHu/13iz5MddK76TZdneAg1SXmHHRvoNOofLv1xlLzxyXj+BPT1ch8zeeHzZUiaNg04wvfDZ+I55yaQcr/agynK5UhiaAHwKCKJIGTrqOErMt0YzO0buHGNKGAxMdk+epvuQBJnEN9xcWGcjd6+cfHvhP2Og8RvfRfA5lu69UXeHk/ZR4qwJF69fCrj6R4xA6uUQ8T/FpBiAAoL0XrY8XnX3T0LiErTapUanr8hL3qpzkwHLXiw68kXLrzwbzfehttzp2gjXxdUtCe6SH59w== Received: from [212.82.98.49] by nm21.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:41:17 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.98] by tm2.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:41:17 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp135.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jul 2015 22:41:17 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 946891.8897.bm@smtp135.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mJhteooVM1mUBbCdUkCOM4R6V_ZPxj772gQxh0HNEQAGMLO hM3TmdXxmtO.RqPY5NXkeiN_cXg4JDzAOaeNz.hb5GBsQBblI_fXtr8rQjOP B8sxaKb8fUO93NWvqxiaZ5a.l1GuBzV2GqwpE9Jh8K7v0g9gMFEpp1YCZ3L0 dXrcfwOhrwyRti8hGC1jbvlprr0H3zcpj6JwHCJ3f6vrrVTcM8I_uj1pXGQ1 5ufQ8tecA5wHUcWzDZqM0ASjqZy5FXJ8kGbyKp7gtnW5T1u05PLNYpfpnbkx .RJCCv7e1RJeKop9ldx45OePkocXn0BiWjIbmgMep_3HTlzYgKzGHrt28yyU 0DvQZLTUHaHleAe2CUq1mpLkXuJiOv78zAUejKe0FjNPrxJAg8Rq_ioMEmsu TZLb6EE_84Uo80_XauPS.i_WxGdJSgK4dXWKofr2uiJ9JPOUlD1ZzQ0jq1IQ yzLpzFc2Hr9AIibKZvbirWFX0mHHskAaLZdMZy2WkYvapa9BaRG8v6OG4Lux q8XpCCAn5OnOh6GuGd8uBMY7op1KuqaSmIaBqqQr8viRR1xEp0kF2kejHs5. af4WxRGfAIg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:41:17 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code Message-ID: <20150711004117.69c35d4b@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <55A0464E.5010007@hiwaay.net> References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> <55A04438.7080107@gmail.com> <55A0464E.5010007@hiwaay.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-163-ga98ae44 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:43:22 -0000 >> I also want to do that for FF. On an AMD Athlon dual-core 2.1 GHz, 4 GiB RAM, building a recent version of FF takes around 3=C2=BD hours. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:46:58 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594DE997BE8 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x230.google.com (mail-ie0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23D4D1A27 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:46:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by ietj16 with SMTP id j16so32100079iet.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:46:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=QBqA4J2sdw+kiuOTfjJUAots+nk0v9B+Duncy9HOVJc=; b=EQpS+i6s8lFZPWxfdKgSXOObSi6qkm/V2RZC483mG7yeFiUGdCueUGJtSAp/KnDsNi YXhV9BCVeoGkIRo8GNruOsjN04IttaoOk5LG9OC6+p67z4IuiOiYcb69IL5B5JmawOY3 a4i2aK3TodWtNTOh4HRVhoScy5t9Ko1ejUhXrapFzxyZf/v97JYdPFa38VsE2zJgMycI 2wWL1G6ekINLQLNdRZATqin7IxJqKzxXuzGIJDv4drACbmYbL5QKl6qGn3gVOKpiLi1h sWM5N2GqlqYYS+LUmxqJA0N+sCgoDAjG52J4TedrK9oY8afFTVmeGj9B5D9C7ECwGhAc un5A== X-Received: by 10.50.138.76 with SMTP id qo12mr1180383igb.38.1436568417526; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p138sm7401577ioe.35.2015.07.10.15.46.56 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A04B5F.1090107@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:46:55 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> <55A04438.7080107@gmail.com> <55A0464E.5010007@hiwaay.net> <20150711004117.69c35d4b@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150711004117.69c35d4b@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:46:58 -0000 On 07/10/2015 04:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> I also want to do that for FF. > On an AMD Athlon dual-core 2.1 GHz, 4 GiB RAM, building a recent > version of FF takes around 3½ hours. Cool. Then it should take a little less on my slightly better endowed laptop :) :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:47:57 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBB9997C34 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x233.google.com (mail-ig0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 595171AD0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:47:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by igrv9 with SMTP id v9so23099526igr.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gwWlGMEv54SVLQtmvyLfltYT6b2SYIiK0EN54g8N54o=; b=whWDkCydWtzuAji06LRSMi3XiTR95XbKxb8uAOv0a/dIl1MH1ZM/PwujN5Ojl3JfQ3 PwuvFA1JLkgNdfgPNhhwURK1rdcX1zz6vbowIGjdo6C1ElRhwdT3mNQB8wB5wmIt4eKg qEwh52wCaYUNeX/AJhlX8IRBAqsEXFNpAXmGGBp+OWkssjpPD2Jw60XFd4xcYJ7jytcI u1rHq8m6Qs8qLjB0NFqXqz7kpMXKQlg4bt0x85bYfhwB8k/1DgSji9b8UGFkNp8yUguu 4qQBocEJfLNLXAC1tcwGfTjZYW1Uee8WACBOq+U5zY4+YtkEE0gC8xrjeHullEeeaXnh Omqg== X-Received: by 10.107.170.77 with SMTP id t74mr8267668ioe.107.1436568476566; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id j2sm7399191ioo.43.2015.07.10.15.47.55 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A04B9B.5070001@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:47:55 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> <55A04438.7080107@gmail.com> <55A0464E.5010007@hiwaay.net> <20150711004117.69c35d4b@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20150711004117.69c35d4b@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:47:57 -0000 On 07/10/2015 04:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>> I also want to do that for FF. > On an AMD Athlon dual-core 2.1 GHz, 4 GiB RAM, building a recent > version of FF takes around 3½ hours. But, I still need info on how to build current FF and TB from sources :) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:54:59 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE80997DF6 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:54:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CA1A1EB1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:54:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1297124CB8; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:54:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6AMsti0002658; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:54:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:54:55 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Quartz Cc: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update Message-Id: <20150711005455.07157509.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55A03E72.3010703@sneakertech.com> References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F3490.2050508@sneakertech.com> <20150710210850.a5194abe.freebsd@edvax.de> <55A03E72.3010703@sneakertech.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:54:59 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:51:46 -0400, Quartz wrote: > >>>>> The tools involved here are already part of the base system (except > >>>>> they got manually removed, which renders the OS somehow incomplete). > >>>>> A system installation typically uses compiler, assembler, linker, > >>>>> installer, and make, which are all contained in the base distribution > >>>>> of the OS. > >>>> > >>>> Wait.... isn't all the build stuff part of the 'src' option during > >>>> install? > >>> > >>> No. The "src" distribution contains the sources which will > >>> be available in the /usr/src subtree. > >>> > >>>> If you unselect that, how does make/install apply patches if > >>>> the files it's patching aren't there? > >>> > >>> It doesn't do that, but the tools make, install, and patch > >>> themselves will be available. > >> > >> I understand that the utils themselves are still installed regardless, > >> but in order for the 'patch' command to have something to patch against, > >> doesn't 'src' have to be installed also? > > > > Yes, /usr/src _has to be_ present - either by installing src.txz, > > as a result of freebsd-update's component src, or via SVN checkout. > > The process then involves building from source of course. This is > > the most transparent way to deal with updates. > > > > I'm still confused here. > > I was under the impression that if I ever wanted to be able to update > the system via patches, I had to leave the 'src' option selected during > install. Are you saying that is or is not true? It's important that you have /usr/src; _how_ you get it is not important. During installation, src.txz will be uncompressed, that's _one_ way to do it. SVN checkout is another. And you can also use freebsd-update to obtain the "src" component. You only need the source tree if you're going to apply patches to the source and then recompile the system; the binary update method does not require it - but it _can_ be used to keep your local source tree current. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 22:56:29 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C2F997E43 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A3F41F54 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:56:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-207-98-175-216.knology.net [207.98.175.216] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t6AMuQZF004378 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 17:56:26 -0500 Message-ID: <55A04D94.9020403@hiwaay.net> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:02:35 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> <55A04438.7080107@gmail.com> <55A0464E.5010007@hiwaay.net> <20150711004117.69c35d4b@archlinux> <55A04B9B.5070001@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55A04B9B.5070001@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:56:29 -0000 On 07/10/15 17:54, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 07/10/2015 04:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>> I also want to do that for FF. >> On an AMD Athlon dual-core 2.1 GHz, 4 GiB RAM, building a recent >> version of FF takes around 3½ hours. > But, I still need info on how to build current FF and TB from sources :) > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > 'portsnap fetch update' followed by 'portmaster firefox thunderbird' should do it, that's how I upgrade flash whenever it needs it .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 23:06:50 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53239997FA9 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:06:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 303742E6 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:06:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B42933C48; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 141083983C; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:57:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: jd1008 Cc: FreeBSD Users Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> Reply-To: FreeBSD Users Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:57:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> (jd's message of "Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:29:52 -0600") Message-ID: <44h9pb39kw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:06:50 -0000 jd1008 writes: > Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? > Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions > of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. > Too many for me to recall. > > Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. Use the port? I always build it through the port. > I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been > so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. Does Fedora have a ports system? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Jul 10 23:22:20 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93A039972A2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:22:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cary@sdf.org) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.230]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594F7C36 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:22:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cary@sdf.org) Received: from [67.49.10.59] ([67.49.10.59:42014] helo=bsdstb.Belkin.invalid) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 51/42-21904-8A350A55; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:22:17 +0000 From: Cary To: jd1008 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code In-Reply-To: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> (message from jd1008 on Fri, 10 Jul 2015 15:29:52 -0600) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 16:22:15 -0700 Message-ID: <864mlbd2e0.fsf@bsdstb.Belkin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:22:20 -0000 jd1008 writes: > Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? > Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions > of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. > Too many for me to recall. > > Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. > > I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been > so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > You might not have had the ports tree updated last time you tried building TB. I think that would account for the old versions of deps that were needed. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 00:03:31 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04E8B998DAB for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:03:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com (cdptpa-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.166.231]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEBC5196E for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:03:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from baho-utot@columbus.rr.com) Received: from [75.187.32.8] ([75.187.32.8:35133] helo=raspberrypi.bildanet.com) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id FC/78-21904-60D50A55; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:02:14 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.53] (helo=baho-utot.bildanet.com) by raspberrypi.bildanet.com with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDiFC-00084j-3f for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <55A05CFE.90608@columbus.rr.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:02:06 -0400 From: Baho Utot User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:03:31 -0000 On 07/10/15 17:29, jd1008 wrote: > Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? > Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions > of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. > Too many for me to recall. > > Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. > > I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been > so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" By TB I am thinking thunderbird...correct? Yes I build Thunderbird and firefox all the time using poudriere. Works for me. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 01:50:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4633E3E42 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ig0-x231.google.com (mail-ig0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13186CE9 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:50:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by iggp10 with SMTP id p10so46197214igg.0 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:50:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=g58yiXJACeq0MpfTsYOkeRuTv7DDAwIoQDw7a7r5+2k=; b=CJr/FMaYryCIOJKhM+TZUSU0BqQohG56hnLlVqieNSZJ6utBw8atASUXevITnMvxnz q/06LuBvriEX+K5D5ceXu6tqXKFsdg8RgLYvg4rjtrtDfKoc4k2gJxEl9D0LOW+syskz 1aLeTPNnH2eL7dIqh3lmI6TS1NyvZy8y/lYqtF/Ucdx52VGmgD8XQzFI4dcrsirpVPjH usc2jTN6ncCkE1xklEhyMlDON8eabumy5NnLbvj6GZXXU9C5AYw+3rwGAbcXHk8TyXJU 0Cmnm+cqvMvx2daPQwhaOmMwrRiZpXJGms+We9DWd9Tmq8DcYkPeulkwbkHbCNS7pZBG zMIw== X-Received: by 10.107.136.152 with SMTP id s24mr7677616ioi.165.1436579431429; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id p138sm7680959ioe.35.2015.07.10.18.50.29 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:50:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A07665.6090600@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:50:29 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Users Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <44h9pb39kw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> In-Reply-To: <44h9pb39kw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:50:33 -0000 On 07/10/2015 04:57 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > jd1008 writes: > >> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? >> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions >> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. >> Too many for me to recall. >> >> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. > Use the port? I always build it through the port. > >> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been >> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > Does Fedora have a ports system? > I have tried to download all the sources from mozilla. I followed all the steps of building. At every step I would get an error that certain versions of some package(s) was/were needed; and such versions were too darned old for me to burden my machine with, as my machine had much more recent versions. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 01:59:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD1CD3F03 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) Received: from alogt.com (alogt.com [69.36.191.58]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A19AF1081 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:59:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alogt.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date; bh=8BUFzsEAw3gU/qq05+are8Nu0JlXK0tMpCXlnidHIhU=; b=NwfrGKVPXvC97zsCALSfckywy1/9pBDwCoJuP+n1tMcZ8+wpQ33xSKnFca+cLhLr2yfpde4zdwKqs8Y5cREuvGY4burq9AkidrgTtDkvBYIw/tmlekVGxbWlBqAV7+LVcbin1Xi9V2saUMRN9DwZoHKw5Ikvl56CNeBmA5E7utg=; Received: from [114.124.38.248] (port=33014 helo=X220.alogt.com) by sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZDj9l-002i9l-Ch; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:00:42 -0600 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 09:00:31 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: Jerry Cc: FreeBSD FreeBSD Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor Message-ID: <20150711090031.34df2a09@X220.alogt.com> In-Reply-To: <20150710140324.362fd648@seibercom.net> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <20150710140324.362fd648@seibercom.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - alogt.com X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: sl-508-2.slc.westdc.net: authenticated_id: erichsfreebsdlist@alogt.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 01:59:06 -0000 Hi, On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:03:24 -0400 Jerry wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 12:25:47 -0500 (CDT), Valeri Galtsev stated: > > > On Fri, July 10, 2015 11:48 am, Mike wrote: > > > On 7/10/2015 12:43 PM, Carmel NY wrote: > > >> I wonder why they choose OpenBSD over FreeBSD? > > >> > > >> http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150708134520&mode=expanded&count=27 > > > > > > Probably is related to: > > > > > > http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20150603090420 > > > > With all my scepticism I would more consider that as an excuse, > > implying the reason may be something like this: > > > > http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack > > > > (I didn't say exactly this, I said something like this...) So, I'm > > actually quite happy they didn't choose FreeBSD ;-) > > > Sorry but that is impossible. Many eyes makes FOSS software > invulnerable to this sort of attack? Or, at least that is what fools > like to believe. Say any lie enough times and some moron will believe > it. > impossible? I doubt it. But it is impossible with money alone. So, why bother, be happy for the project. If Microsoft would like to infiltrate they would use a guy name Erich who provides small, small patches nobody suspects, which will be integrated over time and finally make the backdoor work. Does here anybody believe that NSA hacks something with an NSA IP address? Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 02:02:56 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEB56E2F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 715DE148F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:02:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B81E624D21; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6B22n8O004064; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:02:49 +0200 From: Polytropon To: jd1008 Cc: FreeBSD Users Subject: Re: Building TB from source code Message-Id: <20150711040249.ec60ce25.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55A07665.6090600@gmail.com> References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <44h9pb39kw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <55A07665.6090600@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:02:56 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:50:29 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > On 07/10/2015 04:57 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > jd1008 writes: > > > >> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? > >> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions > >> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. > >> Too many for me to recall. > >> > >> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. > > Use the port? I always build it through the port. > > > >> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been > >> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > > Does Fedora have a ports system? > > > I have tried to download all the sources from mozilla. Because that's not how you typically build software on FreeBSD. TB is in the ports collection. The easiest way is to update /usr/ports and build from there. In case it doesn't build (which can happen), wait some time and update /usr/ports again. In many cases, this solves the problem. :-) > I followed all the steps of building. Are those instructions for FreeBSD or for Linux? > At every step I would get an error that certain versions of some > package(s) was/were needed; and such versions were too darned > old for me to burden my machine with, as my machine had much > more recent versions. Probably because what you've downloaded is not a source package suitable for FreeBSD. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 02:16:03 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AB67735 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:16:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E25194D for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:16:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE00333C48; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id C94FC3983C; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:15:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: jd1008 Cc: FreeBSD Users Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <44h9pb39kw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <55A07665.6090600@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:15:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <55A07665.6090600@gmail.com> (jd's message of "Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:50:29 -0600") Message-ID: <44380v30dg.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:16:03 -0000 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 02:22:04 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C918ED1 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:22:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12751C66 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:22:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 477D833C46; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id EFFF33983C; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:21:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: jd1008 Cc: FreeBSD Users Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <44h9pb39kw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> <55A07665.6090600@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 22:21:55 -0400 In-Reply-To: <55A07665.6090600@gmail.com> (jd's message of "Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:50:29 -0600") Message-ID: <44y4in1lj0.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:22:04 -0000 jd1008 writes: > On 07/10/2015 04:57 PM, Lowell Gilbert wrote: >> jd1008 writes: >> >>> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? >>> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions >>> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. >>> Too many for me to recall. >>> >>> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. >> Use the port? I always build it through the port. >> >>> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been >>> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. >> Does Fedora have a ports system? >> > I have tried to download all the sources from mozilla. > I followed all the steps of building. > At every step I would get an error that certain versions of some > package(s) was/were needed; and such versions were too darned > old for me to burden my machine with, as my machine had much > more recent versions. This is why the ports system exists. I recommend you use it to build thunderbird. If you think there is a good reason that the ports system won't handle your situation, please explain what that reason is. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 02:49:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0AC9962AE for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:49:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ie0-x22f.google.com (mail-ie0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED00F693 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:49:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jd1008@gmail.com) Received: by iebmu5 with SMTP id mu5so206467415ieb.1 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:49:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=32I610+Q2EfjulEPkgGx6R9Map1NVckfNN/K95kPOCo=; b=a3pyN6uiWR8g9ND/2Eo44p719/ZJK4r4IYCUE1AF9MHBO6LhTRHrkUoMbdn4dCAB0n 4T6qND1kAZfpXuG4jF2A/znixnAxIQ2BIEdqBS2OEaOqz0Tj7VlBta4doKOy1HYHC6cO rvjf6+O9cNiQGztyQw31SpDFPKSF98LCecLiiePKWOi8Cu0E6dkZt3Q1EvP/3c5+AdSz JFK72SPEovHmkqDEHtfQwzKy6y1snNIft/pCwRcmuwXcXpvRtNjcE7WeZqnokuwAyO4v ShkeyplI2CK8PUCOLb2/G5/kidOO/cJmHv5P2/e92nxMHfCR58Fe0NvBmR30ul+aS0l9 iLcA== X-Received: by 10.107.3.104 with SMTP id 101mr24995389iod.48.1436582972330; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([50.243.6.59]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id q187sm7770699ioe.37.2015.07.10.19.49.31 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 10 Jul 2015 19:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55A0843A.9050806@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:49:30 -0600 From: jd1008 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A05CFE.90608@columbus.rr.com> In-Reply-To: <55A05CFE.90608@columbus.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:49:33 -0000 On 07/10/2015 06:02 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > > > On 07/10/15 17:29, jd1008 wrote: >> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? >> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions >> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. >> Too many for me to recall. >> >> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. >> >> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been >> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > By TB I am thinking thunderbird...correct? > > Yes I build Thunderbird and firefox all the time using poudriere. > > Works for me. Cool! I wonder if you tried it on the TB or FF sources you downloaded directly from mozilla.com??? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 02:53:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7B99963FC for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx02.qsc.de (mx02.qsc.de [213.148.130.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2E9796C for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:53:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx02.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2CF424C5A; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:53:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6B2rPHu004808; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:53:25 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:53:25 +0200 From: Polytropon To: jd1008 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code Message-Id: <20150711045325.9eed25ae.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <55A0843A.9050806@gmail.com> References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A05CFE.90608@columbus.rr.com> <55A0843A.9050806@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 02:53:34 -0000 On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:49:30 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 07/10/2015 06:02 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > > > > > > On 07/10/15 17:29, jd1008 wrote: > >> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? > >> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions > >> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. > >> Too many for me to recall. > >> > >> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. > >> > >> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been > >> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > > By TB I am thinking thunderbird...correct? > > > > Yes I build Thunderbird and firefox all the time using poudriere. > > > > Works for me. > Cool! > I wonder if you tried it on the TB or FF sources you downloaded directly > from mozilla.com??? Poudriere will use the sources from the FreeBSD ports collection. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 06:08:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD467997CD6 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:08:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from feeder.usenet4all.se (1-1-1-38a.far.sth.bostream.se [82.182.32.53]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 340B81B71 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:08:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Received: from [10.0.0.6] (netlaser-2 [10.0.0.6]) by feeder.usenet4all.se (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id t6B5x3KS053918; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:59:04 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from bah@bananmonarki.se) Message-ID: <55A0B0A7.6090403@bananmonarki.se> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 07:59:03 +0200 From: Bernt Hansson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jd1008 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A0424F.5070705@hiwaay.net> <55A04438.7080107@gmail.com> <55A0464E.5010007@hiwaay.net> <20150711004117.69c35d4b@archlinux> <55A04B9B.5070001@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55A04B9B.5070001@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:08:10 -0000 On 2015-07-11 00:47, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 07/10/2015 04:41 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>> I also want to do that for FF. >> On an AMD Athlon dual-core 2.1 GHz, 4 GiB RAM, building a recent >> version of FF takes around 3½ hours. > But, I still need info on how to build current FF and TB from sources :) cd /usr/ports/www/firefox && make rmconfig && make clean && make install && make package && make clean. cd /usr/ports/mail/thunderbird && make rmconfig && make clean && make install && make package && make clean. That's it. Takes about an hour and a half on my box for each program. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 06:56:00 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D45059983DE for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bret.busby@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ob0-x22e.google.com (mail-ob0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 92AB2CAD for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:56:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bret.busby@gmail.com) Received: by obbop1 with SMTP id op1so203532070obb.2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:55:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=22oMDYtfFkQR1Vouvt6UBEwPF0faRyXAEqXLkz9HG/w=; b=hhpRpHZEyEks82Ma1Hx4wf84tralhRzLeXBqC+POcPYA48LopvtnRr+VwXHmP46oQF rYFxL+PvgCL+jA+0FlSTl0T6Fbs3+l+DTdvYOorH1bBx3JeWQbfZC/ybCNJccEp80m6Y Bob7BIQYUv9Y5v2l1PDqfjybln3zKjSb9MjwlgxB0uxjEBgs7htmweO4QE5uOTCCtDw0 fYvuqRWgUx7pSykEOVDCnoT9h7zAsm1PTlEo8PzKWCKx8gbObdqj45JdDQIeo10T2cC2 Qv+bzvj5DAvSjEeB9keRkRgESFyzJ2bRuFjpiMxwxTDCt45XYuGio5B7ApN6MBfZuZmt 787w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.1.67 with SMTP id 64mr19824708oib.6.1436597759864; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.65.133 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 23:55:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1436566596.18451.17.camel@rocketmail.com> References: <559FF775.7030204@mgm51.com> <33650.128.135.70.2.1436549147.squirrel@cosmo.uchicago.edu> <55A00F43.90908@gmail.com> <20150710212456.70c0d1db.freebsd@edvax.de> <20150711000551.414cfc4b@archlinux> <1436566596.18451.17.camel@rocketmail.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:55:59 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Microsoft Now OpenBSD Foundation Gold Contributor From: Bret Busby To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 06:56:01 -0000 On 11/07/2015, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sat, 2015-07-11 at 00:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 14:30:21 -0700, Mehmet Erol Sanliturk wrote: >> > This means that , claiming that "copy-left licensed software is >> > more >> > secure than permissive licensed software" is a groundless and >> > incorrect claim . >> >> I agree, but there is a valid claim that doesn't depend on the >> chossen >> free license. >> >> This one: >> A non-restrictive, open source OS is more secure than a restricted >> OS. >> But even for non-restrictive, open source operating systems there >> are >> differences. It has less to do with the chosen system or license, >> BSD, >> GNU/Linux or what ever, but with the policy. >> >> A FreeBSD or Arch Linux or Linux from scratch user will set up the >> install, the user has much control over the install. An Ubuntu Linux >> flavour user installs an environment that works out of the box, so >> there is less control and it already leads to issues. >> >> https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do >> >> Today I started a discussion on several Linux mailing lists after a >> Xubuntu user reported that the root password is required, when bug >> report pop up windows ask to generate and send a bug report. >> >> IOW there are two approaches, the approach from restricted OSes, that >> is used by some OOTB non-restricted open source OSes too, that >> usually >> claim to be user-friendly and the "real" non-restricted open source >> user-centric approach. >> >> The non-restricted open source user-centric approach is more secure. >> The approach has less to do with the chosen OS or used free license. >> >> 2 Cents, >> Ralf > > PS: IOW it doesn't matter if the thingy in your satellite receiver is > GPLed or has got a BSD license, since it's a so called user-friendly > approach thingy. You don't have any control over this thingy. IOW? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .............. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 .................................................... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 08:44:01 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3EFA9977A4 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:44:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from douhisi.pair.com (douhisi.pair.com [209.68.5.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7902813DB for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:44:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from quartz@sneakertech.com) Received: from [10.2.2.1] (pool-173-48-121-235.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.121.235]) by douhisi.pair.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C99AC3F82F; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <55A0D749.9090603@sneakertech.com> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:43:53 -0400 From: Quartz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Polytropon CC: FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> <20150710040949.42c73f4d.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F2C78.6090102@sneakertech.com> <20150710043231.8c7cb899.freebsd@edvax.de> <559F3490.2050508@sneakertech.com> <20150710210850.a5194abe.freebsd@edvax.de> <55A03E72.3010703@sneakertech.com> <20150711005455.07157509.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20150711005455.07157509.freebsd@edvax.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:44:01 -0000 >> I'm still confused here. >> >> I was under the impression that if I ever wanted to be able to update >> the system via patches, I had to leave the 'src' option selected during >> install. Are you saying that is or is not true? > > It's important that you have /usr/src; _how_ you get it is > not important. During installation, src.txz will be uncompressed, > that's _one_ way to do it. SVN checkout is another. And you > can also use freebsd-update to obtain the "src" component. > You only need the source tree if you're going to apply patches > to the source and then recompile the system; the binary update > method does not require it - but it _can_ be used to keep your > local source tree current. .....So...... cycling back to what I was complaining about yesterday, I know you can individually patch things with the make/install dance but that requires installing a bunch of extra crap, which is annoying on semi-embedded systems. I'm still confused as to how we got off on this tangent since you don't actually seem to be disagreeing with me, but whatever. In any event, I take it that there's no way to do anything with freebsd-update besides press its single idiot button, so we'll just have to continue doing the dance like we've been. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 12:29:23 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0750E37ED; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuchalia@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lb0-x235.google.com (mail-lb0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87A4819F9; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:29:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tuchalia@gmail.com) Received: by lbnk3 with SMTP id k3so104722731lbn.1; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 05:29:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=jcKCbEnrgS5FKqiORL8cRrBCtA/IvNp2ENQXi1c/obY=; b=ZoHE0/y16rttPjAApym1/IWcYcoXyu34UzMj8DEIAaCpiw1EFQhfMAAF1sDFs/9V6l 1OJDn0t6+eZauaNehYsG/896LvMpvV26b3Mzb19jEOYPWijihatwr6ed8yJ8jzFl2O0V aLKypNw5EIirXFNokj9tyd6IqRrLh5WBQr/15Po1WiqSbNnbSd2BSu7jnrKwErCMZqdo +t+D3vVlk3YRIflI7XXH8ncnixXmW1/eK+z9FUnQjgAfSeixOkhpQmu/PIApfaM/0uMQ uNkbTlUJ5pJ2Ni2pvbFWcTdVO41D7A4e4OUzrCiWmoEbW7t+wAw1rDaxFjx0PyYU7aMq xkbg== X-Received: by 10.152.170.234 with SMTP id ap10mr24326497lac.28.1436617760749; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 05:29:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Daniel Peyrolon Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:29:11 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Getting Asus FM200 working with FreeBSD To: FreeBSD Questions , "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:29:23 -0000 Hi everyone, I'm trying to get FreeBSD-CURRENT up and running with anything different than console-only on an Asus FM200. I created a wiki page for it: [1]. I've tried GhostBSD on it, and everything pretty much worked, except suspend/resume, and audio. I've CURRENT [2] installed on it, but so far, I haven't been able to get it working, vesa is not even being loaded (error 19). Any idea, suggestions? [1]: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops/ASUS_FM200 [2]: FreeBSD BlackBox 11.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 11.0-CURRENT #0 r285358: Fri Jul 10 18:40:27 CEST 2015 root@BlackBox:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 -- Daniel From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 12:58:16 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EF63C0D for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6DFC15C4 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:58:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.lan (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F69733C46; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lowell-desk.lan (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 37CAB3983C; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:58:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Lowell Gilbert To: jd1008 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A05CFE.90608@columbus.rr.com> <55A0843A.9050806@gmail.com> <20150711045325.9eed25ae.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:58:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20150711045325.9eed25ae.freebsd@edvax.de> (Polytropon's message of "Sat, 11 Jul 2015 04:53:25 +0200") Message-ID: <44io9qj1gg.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 12:58:16 -0000 Polytropon writes: > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:49:30 -0600, jd1008 wrote: >> >> >> On 07/10/2015 06:02 PM, Baho Utot wrote: >> > >> > >> > On 07/10/15 17:29, jd1008 wrote: >> >> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? >> >> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions >> >> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. >> >> Too many for me to recall. >> >> >> >> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. >> >> >> >> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been >> >> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. >> > By TB I am thinking thunderbird...correct? >> > >> > Yes I build Thunderbird and firefox all the time using poudriere. >> > >> > Works for me. >> Cool! >> I wonder if you tried it on the TB or FF sources you downloaded directly >> from mozilla.com??? > > Poudriere will use the sources from the FreeBSD ports collection. Which in the case of Firefox and Thunderbird, will pull in the sources from mozilla.com. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 13:08:32 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38013DDB for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from fly.hiwaay.net (fly.hiwaay.net [216.180.54.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BE011D20 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wam@hiwaay.net) Received: from kabini1.local (dynamic-207-98-175-216.knology.net [207.98.175.216] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by fly.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8/fly) with ESMTP id t6BD8T09027486 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:08:30 -0500 Message-ID: <55A114F7.7020001@hiwaay.net> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:13:18 -0453 From: "William A. Mahaffey III" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: FreeBSD Users Subject: Re: Building TB from source code References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <44h9pb39kw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> In-Reply-To: <44h9pb39kw.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:08:32 -0000 On 07/10/15 18:03, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > jd1008 writes: > >> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? >> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions >> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. >> Too many for me to recall. >> >> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. > Use the port? I always build it through the port. > >> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been >> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > Does Fedora have a ports system? Not as such, no machinery dedicated to building from source, just make, autoconfig, etc. .... -- William A. Mahaffey III ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "The M1 Garand is without doubt the finest implement of war ever devised by man." -- Gen. George S. Patton Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 14:21:27 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDF2998950 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:21:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lokadamus@gmx.de) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B448103F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:21:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lokadamus@gmx.de) Received: from [192.168.0.143] ([95.91.227.32]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LgMCe-1YbY1t22eC-00nffW; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:21:21 +0200 Message-ID: <55A12660.9090304@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:21:20 +0200 From: "lokadamus@gmx.de" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Quartz , FreeBSD questions Subject: Re: Questions about freebsd-update References: <559C6B73.8050509@sneakertech.com> <559EA8B8.8080701@sneakertech.com> <559ED47E.8050905@hiwaay.net> <559F25F8.1030508@sneakertech.com> <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> In-Reply-To: <559F2853.5000103@sneakertech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:DGVvXOHD/vU0H2iF7jRE5kU7pSsNTQV9tCrAqbDFtRQt4LR5ua3 mTj8vclPa70m+D0lSwtvSr6zfyvd9IvyyOyeN5Gbm6vMp03s6m79X7vv83vftet5KDb24cY jFfX0MoN3RU+2NoAqrr2B/4q3UzDeciJ89w8maEMSBjYpTshaL3FIxhTJhprJz8LeTtVLer cwzoQUKKSZnEa4zxWPAdw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:jwA8k6pdWJc=:NEPHP5COHIq26YUhrqxv+d Z9ULZ0vevuBemHiJlu2CfZtkt0B0+Xx9Rd2RO1EP2uqOEnU8Zr+0NyUzIPLl/acMcpSJXA2o2 IHxdELN29uXpJQ4hCKxsfW1DPK1oY8vGBdNcgzR6o/wKfp8lDO5t49xcnp3QlDNVD3Bj5nxBJ 0rziwAP/c/HR3+9FkGaiCKkHs8zQXFEzGdLrZapYdaDOEMiSBAclvSs3fh0X8hLhnvh7+O1bE pvqQb2ieaE+50E7NE0MrogvLv/DhhXV+ttkiWECLg1x7iywoL4C9fUz3skv8IgqoOuXMUO7lc PTvNbSf7ucNZvhnaDBtLhX311qkpnf0/DCh8r3ID9L45Tk+anoMNsihW8i34HY1lkPB9kz052 5bVFxz4x5+WaMP+zjv183MGlWMbce68m90sJ5b+KhVZDssv4EFfYoVukGLbbd7wDCh9vP3AgG sBWWig9TZ9xaEQCSb5IpHMyCRrAFQyTvbK8SLhQ99+bmE/mQJJdvIbIafzTqP/z6hg+CnCiTR WX0Pyr++dpzXpVI32KlYrJ4KmvIkrLaNl/ZaxEpUgnbaLUHos/qbLsn0RVqt3aLTdS6Zs6MKU ZycbefSGLCZjz6Ysre+I92hVBRU78+FmeO84upbYMzvZcNYqeovQdiHF8GSeDj4R9hjs6TX3W GJuSvICe8HFYen0fYjR9s3gJD+tzoRvg5Isjgh80VMWOEMyYNepA5WH71wKtC2q/uj6iVH59L s49heOV5Vqz5XHcR X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:21:27 -0000 On 07/10/15 04:05, Quartz wrote: >>>>> 2) How do I get freebsd-update to install only specific patches or >>>>> updates instead of everything? >>> >>> Given the integration of base system packages & kernel, I don't think >>> you would want to do this. This actually sounds kinda .... dare I say it >>> (?) .... *linuxy* .... ick >> >> The main rationale here is that updates can occasionally cause behavior >> changes which can negatively interact with 3rd party software. If we're >> trying to test new patches for compatibility issues or we're seeing a >> bug that seems dependent on patch level, it's kind of a requirement to >> be able to step though the updates one by one. > > I should clarify: I know it's possible to do this by downloading the > patch/asc files and doing the whole make/install dance, but that > requires all the build tools to be installed which is awkward on > dedicated systems that need a small footprint. What I'm hoping for is a > way to download the patches in binary form and use some flavor of > 'freebsd-update install patch_file' instead. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > I think, here is a little understanding problem, what freebsd-update is doing. When you install Windows and a service pack, you can't stop in the half of the service pack installation. freebsd-update make the same thing like windows update, it will install security updates. The different is, it will only upgrade to a newer release, when this option is specified. When you only will update ports and not base system, you should install portmaster. "freebsd-update fetch" will show you, what it will change. I hope, my english is good enough to understand, what i will say. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 15:34:38 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7ED09989F9 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opendaddy@hushmail.com) Received: from smtp1.hushmail.com (smtp1.hushmail.com [65.39.178.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.hushmail.com", Issuer "smtp.hushmail.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8EC92785 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:34:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from opendaddy@hushmail.com) Received: from smtp1.hushmail.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.hushmail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 409BC40183 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.hushmail.com (w9.hushmail.com [65.39.178.29]) by smtp1.hushmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:57:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.hushmail.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id B2DDE4013B; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:57:11 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 14:57:11 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Compiling Ruby EventMachine on FreeBSD From: opendaddy@hushmail.com In-Reply-To: <20150703184700.80FCB41A40@smtp.hushmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-Id: <20150711145711.B2DDE4013B@smtp.hushmail.com> X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:34:39 -0000 bump On Friday, July 03, 2015 at 7:21 PM, opendaddy@hushmail.com wrote: > >Hi! > >Trying to `gem install eventmachine` >(https://github.com/eventmachine/eventmachine) on FreeBSD 10.1- >RELEASE but getting: > >Gem::Ext::BuildError: ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. > > /usr/local/bin/ruby -r ./siteconf20150703-61665-1w426ue.rb >extconf.rb >checking for main() in -lssl... yes >checking for main() in -lcrypto... yes >checking for openssl/ssl.h... yes >checking for openssl/err.h... yes >checking for rb_trap_immediate in ruby.h,rubysig.h... no >checking for rb_thread_blocking_region()... no >checking for inotify_init() in sys/inotify.h... no >checking for __NR_inotify_init in sys/syscall.h... no >checking for writev() in sys/uio.h... yes >checking for rb_wait_for_single_fd()... yes >checking for rb_enable_interrupt()... no >checking for rb_time_new()... yes >checking for sys/event.h... yes >checking for sys/queue.h... yes >creating Makefile > >make "DESTDIR=" clean > >make "DESTDIR=" >compiling binder.cpp >compiling cmain.cpp >compiling ed.cpp >compiling em.cpp >em.cpp:827:9: error: use of undeclared identifier >'rb_thread_select'; did you mean 'rb_thread_fd_select'? > return EmSelect (maxsocket+1, &fdreads, &fdwrites, >&fderrors, &tv); > ^~~~~~~~ > rb_thread_fd_select >./em.h:25:20: note: expanded from macro 'EmSelect' > #define EmSelect rb_thread_select > ^ >/usr/local/include/ruby-2.2.0/ruby/intern.h:454:5: note: >'rb_thread_fd_select' declared here >int rb_thread_fd_select(int, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, >rb_fdset_t *, struct timeval *); > ^ >em.cpp:827:32: error: cannot initialize a parameter of type >'rb_fdset_t *' with an rvalue of type 'fd_set *' > return EmSelect (maxsocket+1, &fdreads, &fdwrites, >&fderrors, &tv); > ^~~~~~~~ >/usr/local/include/ruby-2.2.0/ruby/intern.h:454:42: note: passing >argument to parameter here >int rb_thread_fd_select(int, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, >rb_fdset_t *, struct timeval *); > ^ >em.cpp:946:6: error: use of undeclared identifier >'rb_thread_select'; did you mean 'rb_thread_fd_select'? > EmSelect (0, NULL, NULL, >NULL, &tv); > ^~~~~~~~ > rb_thread_fd_select >./em.h:25:20: note: expanded from macro 'EmSelect' > #define EmSelect rb_thread_select > ^ >/usr/local/include/ruby-2.2.0/ruby/intern.h:454:5: note: >'rb_thread_fd_select' declared here >int rb_thread_fd_select(int, rb_fdset_t *, rb_fdset_t *, >rb_fdset_t *, struct timeval *); > ^ >3 errors generated. >*** Error code 1 > >Stop. >make: stopped in >/usr/home/opendaddy/test/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/gems/eventmachine >-1.0.3/ext > >make failed, exit code 1 > >Gem files will remain installed in >/usr/home/opendaddy/test/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/gems/eventmachine >-1.0.3 for inspection. >Results logged to >/usr/home/opendaddy/test/vendor/bundle/ruby/2.2.0/extensions/x86_64 >-freebsd-10/2.2.0-static/eventmachine-1.0.3/gem_make.out >An error occurred while installing eventmachine (1.0.3), and >Bundler cannot >continue. >Make sure that `gem install eventmachine -v '1.0.3'` succeeds >before >bundling. > ># ruby -v >ruby 2.2.0p0 (2014-12-25 revision 49005) [x86_64-freebsd10.1] > >Thanks! > >O.D. > >_______________________________________________ >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions- >unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 15:35:07 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1AB998A1E for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arnabbhowmick111@gmail.com) Received: from mail-yk0-x231.google.com (mail-yk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c07::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 398E3280D for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:35:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from arnabbhowmick111@gmail.com) Received: by ykax123 with SMTP id x123so37234257yka.1 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=8YdOiCAXelJYwJx2SVf5a0B+q0jx+vT6IpNGYO9pMk0=; b=r9My/FyPjJFtBO27C6LReqYBYtRU7IhiMa3t3ZXTgVoJLUYF5IWzsKceomXeFGE4rR v44h0mZAvu/ybelO2qkUb70yiHIIsitzb+ve3uj0VyOkOVEqaEDeKfGNlR3F+ljMtm98 6fm1YJnv6wbMCQUvwpU3Hc3mtp8BBP3t4JPMgSVydTEff+RFIPD3jzSzjb1gL3OHw3Th +GYvNCdwEbfUeOM0yuq/RmXmAogjsfJvO5OYoGfCCiV6brsuwsSeldVqw/vGXEtsoFP/ /gxR//x2yhxnKMC97E646RtM4aPZ0qitdYwHTFj7peYcaNHqbHeQHQHghyyeTxTPIHpM Iswg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.70.66 with SMTP id m63mr29138954ykm.108.1436628905589; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.129.96.194 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:05:05 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: set desktop environment offline From: arnab bhowmick To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:35:07 -0000 Hi gays I have 2 laptops both with free BSD 10.1 . One with GNOME and other with KDE desktop environment. Now is there any process which I can do to crate a backup of these desktop environment in CD or pen drive? Which I can use to install to re-install these environment in offline mode or more clearly without Internet?? Does anyone have any idea or technique? Please tell me as Internet stability & speed is very pathetic in India and specially in our state.. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 15:56:06 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24FB1998D72 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:56:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) Received: from nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (nm34-vm8.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com [212.82.97.122]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5041A2DB8 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:56:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf.mardorf@rocketmail.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rocketmail.com; s=s2048; t=1436629959; bh=3utnPj4HW8HWjqHVuDqr7UTEyWKqN7LaQBVEeu/MM/A=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From:Subject; b=bzNtJhsLT6izZTPHR4W/YJl3EEHu7vFuXWXPAwNnu1mAs2FY4bSjVyKTNSYveo/zE13znzA5FbTKJDsjSzTj/BLCC2s+/Z3oNMyQXJJnPsUezIyJLtXd5VA9WUgoGuqKnuakRrc+aDq+BNXlk9vvjJCmqe6XRM3Bdrm9bGky7RDbZErnJ8AnOaI/ZwdAGbxdrDdI/pZDc4hZhVkUjFPJEEX2aWM/9Hs9WsntxhlimH9a0hs/Kh6OtVDmjANaPUPFzUpp9cjVt/cU8e3RjapPq3Bka61YQN0ZTJQNzW2JLclKAmAKLYMeeKdpDeVYAkBujFTDqJqyr6FZo8tHi74cTg== Received: from [212.82.98.53] by nm34.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2015 15:52:39 -0000 Received: from [46.228.39.70] by tm6.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2015 15:52:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2015 15:52:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 348583.95628.bm@smtp107.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: WlXLLr8VM1mFUt4XaaazJ5h7AxM8JvYnUTuyUq14ZuFKqUv 4EwYyLOHY7E1jv9rLF.nQ3P2r8wYCvnc25a12NzuczaEuYH_fs.XLCVHeCy2 985WQhlSSCwf_D.VGQymKI3YXBmbyWxJFKNpDeBNyMa1wE1Fo1rEdfqhVmcz OjnT9cW3tz33IPw5xi8gfQ56HWulbSoZbVmM0WLhbt_mG8rDe9VCdtBKs9x9 _enMmOLodmshhqW0QMwp1WtQWFdv2EDgeCAXAGbdRVW8EUsPOCtPZoesY97E ytr2sE0gBqubE5JM8tiqKTga8OlshuZQTcM.M.r6YY_9r7HKSITwi9YStPYM qgfanVbqwyaivP7zaGa3E4jbSZBpK7rOxQNBIYdFk1i7.n4j7G9BmqkdcUM0 zGQXqtyrNw.tJwcaHVGsJdlk0JBRIws6ZYSljJtJixIm.Sqi5FPcdWn54SWk .NnlKqHqR3UnyvPivLCe.Gb3tDukAXoPeQoP06XuVgmBZtpEQO6CsoiX7ZKh o6m9tz0FiWM5hlesaMr3PX9JQOMqvYjU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: BeMCPs2swBABTJ3kAeEiC_hE0mz8jRexLddJfD8pI2j32fOacjBmXg-- Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:52:38 +0200 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] set desktop environment offline Message-ID: <20150711175238.63c287ec@archlinux> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.11.1-163-ga98ae44 (GTK+ 2.24.28; x86_64-arch-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:56:06 -0000 On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:05:05 +0530, arnab bhowmick wrote: >Hi gays I have 2 laptops both with free BSD 10.1 . One with GNOME and >other with KDE desktop environment. Now is there any process which I >can do to crate a backup of these desktop environment in CD or pen >drive? Which I can use to install to re-install these environment in >offline mode or more clearly without Internet?? Does anyone have any >idea or technique? Please tell me as Internet stability & speed is >very pathetic in India and specially in our state.. :D Guys or gays? You can make backups and restore backups. https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=dump(8) https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=restore(8) I'm not sure if this is really what you're asking for. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 16:29:02 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F51F99937B for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:29:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D9BF21F0 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:29:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9064A3CD50; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:28:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6BGSvFq002047; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:28:57 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 18:28:57 +0200 From: Polytropon To: arnab bhowmick Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: set desktop environment offline Message-Id: <20150711182857.046a908f.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:29:02 -0000 On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:05:05 +0530, arnab bhowmick wrote: > Hi gays I have 2 laptops both with free BSD 10.1 . One with GNOME and other > with KDE desktop environment. Now is there any process which I can do to > crate a backup of these desktop environment in CD or pen drive? Which I can > use to install to re-install these environment in offline mode or more > clearly without Internet?? There are two main methods supported by the OS: One is the 1:1 copy mechanism using dd, the other one is the "classic" method of using dump + restore (which requires a little preparation of the target disk). You can find both of them explained here: http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html Note that if your target machine is technically different from your source machine, you might have to do some changes after the transfer, such as a different GPU, different sound hardware and things like that. And setting another hostname will also be a good idea. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 17:11:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B0A999ACD for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:11:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4974B1C54 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:11:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA7143CC48; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:11:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6BHB6We002267; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:11:06 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:11:06 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Lowell Gilbert Cc: jd1008 , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Building TB from source code Message-Id: <20150711191106.bca7e735.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <44io9qj1gg.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> References: <55A03950.6090209@gmail.com> <55A05CFE.90608@columbus.rr.com> <55A0843A.9050806@gmail.com> <20150711045325.9eed25ae.freebsd@edvax.de> <44io9qj1gg.fsf@lowell-desk.lan> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:11:09 -0000 On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 08:58:07 -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > Polytropon writes: > > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:49:30 -0600, jd1008 wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 07/10/2015 06:02 PM, Baho Utot wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On 07/10/15 17:29, jd1008 wrote: > >> >> Has anyone been successful in building it from source code? > >> >> Last time I tried, build failed because it required versions > >> >> of packages that were of much older vintage than what was installed. > >> >> Too many for me to recall. > >> >> > >> >> Need helpful hints, how-to's to accomplish this. > >> >> > >> >> I posted the same question to Fedora list and it has been > >> >> so totally ignored, that I find it very interesting. > >> > By TB I am thinking thunderbird...correct? > >> > > >> > Yes I build Thunderbird and firefox all the time using poudriere. > >> > > >> > Works for me. > >> Cool! > >> I wonder if you tried it on the TB or FF sources you downloaded directly > >> from mozilla.com??? > > > > Poudriere will use the sources from the FreeBSD ports collection. > > Which in the case of Firefox and Thunderbird, > will pull in the sources from mozilla.com. And probably add FreeBSD-specific patches. I typically rely on the sources published in the ports collection because they tend to "just work", even though they might be one or two minor version subnumbers behind the bleeding-edge Linux version. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 20:01:09 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08F71999B06 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 20:01:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: from mail-oi0-x22c.google.com (mail-oi0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4C1F103A for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 20:01:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from vrwmiller@gmail.com) Received: by oiyy130 with SMTP id y130so231369291oiy.0 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=nCYPCjjYMKuBHioONbwguosqueoaXJwxEh/d8gnjMfU=; b=fJQPvWMsL8D7jEYAOxr20KBpfy3nOGRUI8tZ9bYuMQSInxCZSDpyKB+gmNE4BuJb7T 6QjnG4ibyazWkz66IwIY++8vraQuF9oSJFsvkkTprFPW7/lx3rc/SBb4AIvuC9/qfGQO vIEk0BCfb59OrmCxMN5IkInCRWc38Ao8Ah+u/9jYjImDz4P6yYSpjR2u0Wkfo4eOKKZv fs5OW68rIGEkvBkrVGfGxhbZeSz6SZfXDCpzCPxL0xYKD+kJXTTBwLmBl/eZcg5IETt/ 7wRjOgeYdb0aozLsEvSGvKMeazgnI+dEi86HKOSrJroa6EJ4ItLHKWgDfDB9Lb48WhKf DVJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.185.133 with SMTP id j127mr23397172oif.9.1436644867951; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Sender: vrwmiller@gmail.com Received: by 10.202.8.142 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 13:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 16:01:07 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: IQzs_LcWydOttJVVOfn5zRnRMg4 Message-ID: Subject: buildworld failing with freebsd-update server From: Rick Miller To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 20:01:09 -0000 Hi all, I'm attempting to build a freebsd-update distribution based on the instructions for building a FreeBSD Update Server[1], but buildworld is failing during buildworld world0 and world1. The distribution being built is amd64 10.0-RELEASE on an amd64 10.0-RELEASE-p18 node. Signs of trouble first appears in init.sh's STDOUT while executing buildworld() world0. It errors citing the following error with no further detail. If the command is executed manually substituting valid values for the variables, it outputs the jail command usage implying incorrect syntax. "jail: /usr/bin/env -i PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/root/bin RELP=10.0-RELEASE BRANCH_OVERRIDE= TARGET=amd64 TARGET_ARCH=amd64 /bin/sh -e: failed" Both buildworld errors are hyperlinked below: world0: http://hostileadmin.com/logs/buildworld_world0_error.txt world1: http://hostileadmin.com/logs/buildworld_world1_error.txt The amd64 10.0-RELEASE build.conf is: /*** begin build.conf ***/ # cat build.conf # SHA256 hash of disc1.iso image. export RELH=9c377b4a4e63443c0b210080694de26133e6a276eddb07c7e00e1c9aebd84109 export FTP=http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/10.0/ # Components of the world, source, and kernels export WORLDPARTS="base doc" export SOURCEPARTS="src" export KERNELPARTS="kernel" # EOL date export EOL=1484870400 /*** end build.conf ***/ It's unclear if the fatal error is the jail error or the buildworld errors or a combination of the two, but the jail error seemingly implies buildworld is occurring in /usr/src outside of the jail and may be the main cause of the failures. Does this sound reasonable? Does anyone have any guidance to debug this scenario? [1] https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/articles/freebsd-update-server/index.html -- Take care Rick Miller From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 21:23:36 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC7C399794F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:23:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrickhess@gmx.net) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mout.gmx.net", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A20D16AB for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:23:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from patrickhess@gmx.net) Received: from desk8.phess.net ([95.88.11.237]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LZhsq-1YZEIz2nGO-00lWMG; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 23:18:13 +0200 From: Patrick Hess To: arnab bhowmick Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: set desktop environment offline Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 23:18:10 +0200 Message-ID: <1972221.VQjP5m1Gfa@desk8.phess.net> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.3 (FreeBSD/10.1-RELEASE-p10; KDE/4.14.3; i386; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:olr8xKbIHICMAlHJHvspVKx+6vJHGOO3XZlE2JiXrZjL/awfHKp ueOVNTw+G4mj8BlMTKB8qmv3+jW2DpAPjew/GRNmpOV/4BRSOsXtH0u77H9l7wQkgDQ3Mq/ ISx1mQWO0tX9CDxMKVv6QXNbEILrfzRutx9+HgdqMZRd2WtTwa0rXrGrbigNny4lvUFsr+K QeHoz/xe0+jniyuuHVkWg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:P4w6p8LmVZE=:en4zfTcIYxhyVTQBwXTIEB coo079Q7Nt9QP/6D0d4jS5dE7zCYbhLuMD0PbloJ0+gfaEx8QKqXcghv3xJ5QBgYCdAkw58kq QEb8VW9ZyaTJPizm2uVCOF5KHiHQeDzSE/NgorKX83kaIlHgWm3jXaohKQsirRXJMHHjxcW8A PENilSjbRFHo/DPhb6/QK5rvy3mB8l7zh3L+sFnmzeagvvpHUMTNkGVXiqXPLmU4147vNm5lE x5SNki6AnbbOZwjMdq9waSotKPZnPzEwOc38wED3Pv6NVK/DIG+01af1bCoIHjQ3jTkedPkWs WfefItkUcjsIvfG2y5IWRWSACfxNcClcz2jsJmuNnXElx7N9FcygmoqMb8BMRnwv7H6BDrqgU p7OW1IBvAV5MHL4VT3ILkTaBD0jXdSXMoJ0S8ZOsetGaIlmy3UDXkkOOxP6z3IIN2YgUvheE0 7IcZYWzb7GSDfD8726H4WLV8CUX+uGqxfdX/Xd0YDT00Lppnmq0+YUGFd6WzchmeYnyDK4sZ8 WAd10Olv4tzQ8+ohAZMzehtR5urtK0ElqbRD6sWcOTe2jgGecU3G+QIHWJOKdgkz+kIYi4dGp TEBfT9mwKIIglaXQUdi83I+MdskWZ/9BNuvFkbbbVZjF74UfU42p4dftc6wjOs33mH7IGO1oH UOa7VQjqARl6Ohvh1PcQQuoWd2OwWCcOYDrsNMKttcr6lrS3utPvkHm+swagZIwoyWDM= X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:23:37 -0000 arnab bhowmick wrote: > Now is there any process which I can do to crate a backup of these > desktop environment in CD or pen drive? Which I can use to install > to re-install these environment in offline mode or more clearly > without Internet?? If you simply want to be able to reinstall those packages without having to download them all over again, have a look at your /var/cache/pkg directory. That's where "pkg install" keeps copies of all the packages it has downloaded. You can just copy this directory over to a pen drive, an external disk, a file server etc., and then turn it into your very own package repository as follows: # pkg repo /path/to/directory/with/all/your/packages Next, create a file named "repo.conf" in the same directory: custom: { url: "file:/path/to/directory/with/all/your/packages", enabled: yes, } Then, on any machine you want to install packages from this "offline" repository, create a /usr/local/etc/pkg.conf file that contains a single line like this: REPOS_DIR [ /path/to/directory/with/all/your/packages ] Now when running "pkg install", it will use your local packages instead of downloading them from the online repository. You will also be able to bootstrap pkg(8) this way without requiring an active Internet connection. Furthermore, "pkg upgrade" will work fine with this approach too, making for easy offline upgrades. Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 22:05:33 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8023699802B for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodbrian77@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com (mail-wg0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15FE292C for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:05:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from woodbrian77@gmail.com) Received: by wgjx7 with SMTP id x7so271620073wgj.2 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bxy1RMbzQMwXcyBmkJQYuVl+dC/J0mcblkg7UDlywrI=; b=er01MV5qMc3LjdsQbVrkKlLcyauRUWoR6hAcRKGrkb7bXgawWg36G4RekTKuPB316x N52x5BenUqDE1BPNuawqzOl1KZHMQAFS06Y2fqpHeh8WJuesNflDR3BoLSMWUr5xMbXC O0h9B3CeuZ0bgiFPt+mLB68/IcmzjwrxWbPTBYGvg5NuOQn4tm/Z73VZsq4w7idV0gLo XYvZid1+1xbthGAPlGfEYvsFr3neu/3zizGkvozhx5C5qn9WM8bVAVgNl4fbSOX+OdOn 20RnEJkjy5Hiu6QPwbxX3vvI6r5xeNrGKxAgsZp8Bj0B4jVvelX8bUUOf6mxIhnKS8nt PyKA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.83.196 with SMTP id s4mr20039744wjy.43.1436652331429; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.28.158.205 with HTTP; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 15:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:05:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Pkg and firefox From: Brian Wood To: FreeBSD Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:05:33 -0000 I've had some trouble recently where when I try to use pkg to install something it reports a problem by launching firefox, I think. And that kills my existing firefox process. Has anyone else experienced anything like that? It seems to me the firefox integration is something new and not helpful. This is on PC-BSD 10.1. Thanks in advance. -- Brian Ebenezer Enterprises - In G-d we trust. http://webEbenezer.net From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 22:42:10 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E59E79986CD for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:42:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mx01.qsc.de (mx01.qsc.de [213.148.129.14]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA72D1875 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:42:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de (port-92-195-74-114.dynamic.qsc.de [92.195.74.114]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx01.qsc.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DD6B3CCD5; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 00:42:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from r56.edvax.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by r56.edvax.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id t6BMg0Av002696; Sun, 12 Jul 2015 00:42:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2015 00:42:00 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Brian Wood Cc: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Re: Pkg and firefox Message-Id: <20150712004200.0de90f1a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 22:42:11 -0000 On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:05:31 -0500, Brian Wood wrote: > I've had some trouble recently where when I try to use > pkg to install something it reports a problem by launching > firefox, I think. And that kills my existing firefox process. > Has anyone else experienced anything like that? It seems > to me the firefox integration is something new and not > helpful. This is on PC-BSD 10.1. Thanks in advance. Just a guess: PC-BSD is using some HTML-based "reporting" mechanism to show pkg process results (in your case, presenting an error message). As PC-BSD is "desktop-oriented", this happens through a web browser. Maybe they are simply assuming Firefox to be present, and then use it to show the message, or they use what the environment variable $BROWSER points to. Maybe you can set or change $BROWSER to point to a different browser? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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From: =?UTF-8?Q?fran=C3=A7ai_s?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.20 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 23:04:01 -0000 The that are IXP of Ashburn in Virginia, LAX or WU Seattle and what are its importance? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Jul 11 23:23:11 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D843998C6F for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 23:23:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (wonkity.com [67.158.26.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "wonkity.com", Issuer "wonkity.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 068D2AE0 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 23:23:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from wonkity.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id t6BNN5Gq069048 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:23:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Received: from localhost (wblock@localhost) by wonkity.com (8.14.9/8.14.9/Submit) with ESMTP id t6BNN5XJ069045; Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:23:05 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from wblock@wonkity.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:23:05 -0600 (MDT) From: Warren Block To: Polytropon cc: arnab bhowmick , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: set desktop environment offline In-Reply-To: <20150711182857.046a908f.freebsd@edvax.de> Message-ID: References: <20150711182857.046a908f.freebsd@edvax.de> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (wonkity.com [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 11 Jul 2015 17:23:05 -0600 (MDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 23:23:11 -0000 On Sat, 11 Jul 2015, Polytropon wrote: > On Sat, 11 Jul 2015 21:05:05 +0530, arnab bhowmick wrote: >> Hi gays I have 2 laptops both with free BSD 10.1 . One with GNOME and other >> with KDE desktop environment. Now is there any process which I can do to >> crate a backup of these desktop environment in CD or pen drive? Which I can >> use to install to re-install these environment in offline mode or more >> clearly without Internet?? > > There are two main methods supported by the OS: One is the 1:1 copy > mechanism using dd, the other one is the "classic" method of using > dump + restore (which requires a little preparation of the target > disk). > > You can find both of them explained here: > > http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/backup.html > > Note that if your target machine is technically different from your > source machine, you might have to do some changes after the transfer, > such as a different GPU, different sound hardware and things like > that. And setting another hostname will also be a good idea. :-) Later versions of Clonezilla (http://clonezilla.org/) can efficiently back up FreeBSD UFS filesystems. Unfortunately, the last time I tried it, it dimwittedly did a binary copy of the entire unnecessary content of swap partitions. If that could be fixed, it would be relatively fast and convenient. Maybe delete the swap partitions before backup and manually recreate them on the newly-restored machine. Or possibly create them automatically in rc.local.